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Speaker 1: This is episode nine hundred and forty. The title that's
Speaker 1: seven years son.
Speaker 2: That's right, seven years son, it's my seven years today.
Speaker 2: Congratulations seven years. I'm not drinking Aki, hal my god,
Speaker 2: let me tell you my life's gotten a little better.
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna ask next, how'd you do it?
Speaker 1: Corey? Well, we don't have enough time in the world.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This is just one episode.
Speaker 2: But no, I'll answer any questions if you guys have any.
Speaker 2: And of course you got like fifteen years on, you know,
Speaker 2: you got like ten. But no, it's still it's it's
Speaker 2: pretty cool, mart you have six So you're right behind me,
Speaker 2: nipping up my tails.
Speaker 1: Yeah, always chasing me.
Speaker 3: I'll always be chasing you, hope.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: But now it's so crazy though, because I was thinking
Speaker 2: the other day about how in early years and even before,
Speaker 2: you know, like when I was handcuffed to the bed
Speaker 2: at the hospital, you.
Speaker 5: Know, like.
Speaker 3: Your handcuff, what what the bed?
Speaker 6: Where?
Speaker 3: What's the story?
Speaker 1: When was this hospital bed? Okay seven years ago?
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, for anybody who this is their first time
Speaker 5: tuning in, that might have sounded a little bit off putting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm Corey Winfield, by the way, the host of
Speaker 2: this podcast.
Speaker 1: You're Marnie, Marnie Winfield, that's my wife.
Speaker 2: And then Corey Corey Smoker, he's a co host friend whatever,
Speaker 2: play of two seventeen Recovery, person recovery just whatever. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's us. So that's a reset. So now we
Speaker 2: want me to reset it again.
Speaker 5: No, Corey Winfield, who's the ultimate person who like reason
Speaker 5: to reads between the lines and like, so back when
Speaker 5: I was handcuffed to the bed, like, no story, no
Speaker 5: nothing surrounding that statement, it just might sounded a little
Speaker 5: bit sorry.
Speaker 6: So we were just calling one of yours out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, due to us, Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 1: So I still have writer brain.
Speaker 5: You would have gotten like this weird devilish like smirk
Speaker 5: on his face and like I was going to say something,
Speaker 5: but I'm.
Speaker 3: Not going to say anything now.
Speaker 1: My life now is in writer brain. It's in script.
Speaker 2: So if that part of the script is already back there,
Speaker 2: I already look at it as already read.
Speaker 6: Well we're we're now editing in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So anyway, yeah, back seven years ago, I
Speaker 2: was taken to jail, or not to jail, I was.
Speaker 1: He tried taking me.
Speaker 2: To jail, and he realized I was too drunk because
Speaker 2: zero point four or five some is insane, and well
Speaker 2: not really insane for me. I was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 2: that was actually what it took to make me stop shaking,
Speaker 2: because I went, I had to go buy half a
Speaker 2: fit had to buy a fifth. Jesus, I'm horrible at
Speaker 2: this telling story thing, so.
Speaker 1: I know that was funny.
Speaker 2: So I had to buy a half gallon and I
Speaker 2: drank half of it, which would equal a fifth to
Speaker 2: get my shakes down. So he gave me a breathalyzer
Speaker 2: because I wasn't suposed to be drinking because I was
Speaker 2: out of jail and waiting for my court date and
Speaker 2: all that. And the judge said, don't you be drinking, son?
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, whatever, okay, got home, half gallon,
Speaker 2: sitting on the counter, start drinking.
Speaker 1: I don't remember much anyway.
Speaker 4: Can I ask, when the cop is giving you the
Speaker 4: sobriety test, are you in recollection of what's going on.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I was sitting on my bed and he gave
Speaker 2: me the breathalyzer.
Speaker 1: Caul.
Speaker 2: See what happened was when I was sentenced for my
Speaker 2: drunk driving. I was in jail for like a week,
Speaker 2: and then they did my arrangement in there and they
Speaker 2: told me, hey, we're gon let you out whatever, but like,
Speaker 2: don't drink or anything.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Sure, I walked back into my apartment. There's a half
Speaker 2: gallen sitting there. Of course I start drinking it. I
Speaker 2: don't remember much after that, but no, I woke up
Speaker 2: the next morning or not that next morning. It was
Speaker 2: days later, but I was shaken so bad that I
Speaker 2: know I needed to go get more. And my mom
Speaker 2: had called me and she's like, don't get more, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I have to. So I went and
Speaker 2: got more and it was a half gallon and I
Speaker 2: drank half of that, which is roughly a fifth. So
Speaker 2: that's what it took for me to just kind of
Speaker 2: calm down. So when he came in to give me
Speaker 2: the breath of liveser, it was like zero point four,
Speaker 2: five six whatever, and he was just kind of like
Speaker 2: whoa and I was like, no, dude, Like this is
Speaker 2: like now I feel normal, like and then that's crazy
Speaker 2: to think that it takes that much to just make
Speaker 2: you feel normal, you know, like that's that's nuts.
Speaker 3: Why did he come in to give me the breath liser?
Speaker 2: Because when my mom was like, oh, you're drinking. You're
Speaker 2: not supposed to be drinking because you're liver because she
Speaker 2: was like very concerned about that, which you know I
Speaker 2: should have been too, because I had liver failure when
Speaker 2: I was thirty six, back in twenty fifteen, and so
Speaker 2: she called the ambulamps. The ambulances people word it, it's
Speaker 2: your first time listening the podcast welcome. So the cops
Speaker 2: heard it and it was like, mister Winfield, not supposed
Speaker 2: to be drinking. We're going to go over there too,
Speaker 2: because well the ambulance is called, so we got to
Speaker 2: go show up anyway. And then they were just like
Speaker 2: not going there and I wouldn't let him in, and
Speaker 2: my mom at one point was like, I don't want
Speaker 2: your cat to eat you when you drink yourself to death,
Speaker 2: so give me a key. So I was like okay,
Speaker 2: and the two that, you know, I was depending on her,
Speaker 2: you know, so like if I didn't give her the
Speaker 2: key when my lights were going to get shut off.
Speaker 1: At some point, I knew that.
Speaker 2: Was, you know, like something was going to happen like that,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna need her on my side. So I
Speaker 2: didn't really want to poke the bear, you know, just okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, And that is kind of very some codependent behavior,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously. But when I was in tream of
Speaker 2: the last time, I read a book about it and
Speaker 2: I sort of figuring it out. But but yeah, so
Speaker 2: I remember that. And then the cop driving me over
Speaker 2: as he filled out some report which I was assuming
Speaker 2: would be fake, and he just made me sit in
Speaker 2: the back for I don't know, maybe hour hour and
Speaker 2: a half, which felt like eighteen days, and it was
Speaker 2: hot and it was just horrible.
Speaker 1: It wasn't fun, like it's just the I hurt.
Speaker 6: You just had to stay in the back of a
Speaker 6: cop car for that long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then he took me to the hospital because
Speaker 2: they couldn't take me to the jail with such a
Speaker 2: high blood alcohol And that's when they you know, brought
Speaker 2: me in there and they handcuffed me to the bed,
Speaker 2: and then this other woman cop came in and she
Speaker 2: sat with it for a while and then the doctor
Speaker 2: came in and it was just like, well, what are you
Speaker 2: what are you waiting here for?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: She's like, well, we got to take him to jail.
Speaker 2: And she's like, well what happened And she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he was out and he was a fleu drinking and
Speaker 2: so she's like, okay, well it's going to be a
Speaker 2: long time before the alcohol is out of the system
Speaker 2: enough for you to take him to jail, you know.
Speaker 2: So the officer was like, all right, he's got to
Speaker 2: coordinate coming up.
Speaker 1: They'll see him soon. So what is this? Cut them loose?
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where or that went.
Speaker 2: I don't remember why we started talking about me being
Speaker 2: handcuffed to a bed, but that's where I was. Life's
Speaker 2: gotten better, I guess. Is that where I'm about?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because your seven years sober today?
Speaker 2: Yeah, who would have thought? But yeah, back thinking back
Speaker 2: to the very beginning, like I never would have thought
Speaker 2: this was possible, you know, like it's it's crazy and
Speaker 2: it's scary, and that's probably one of the hardest things
Speaker 2: about being in recovery. And I'm using air quotes there
Speaker 2: is because it's about change. You have to change your life,
Speaker 2: you have to change the things that you're doing and
Speaker 2: the people that you're around. And I was writing some
Speaker 2: stuff earlier about that and about change and how people
Speaker 2: in your life do change, and that necessarily isn't a
Speaker 2: bad thing, and it doesn't mean that they're bad people.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about examples, for like, there are
Speaker 2: good people that I know from my past that were
Speaker 2: really good examples for him that I just don't talk
Speaker 2: to anymore. And it's not because I don't like them, or,
Speaker 2: like I said, because they're bad people. Or I think
Speaker 2: it's just because my life has taken me here, my sobriety,
Speaker 2: my life, me choosing my life and moving forward in
Speaker 2: my life has me here today, you know. Or I
Speaker 2: have new friends and new people, so I don't have
Speaker 2: to always look back at those people in those times
Speaker 2: and think, oh, man, I don't talk to them anymore.
Speaker 2: It must be because I'm sober. No, it's just because
Speaker 2: it's life. Life changes. You know, when you have kids,
Speaker 2: you change. You know, when you have grandkids, you change,
Speaker 2: and your life changes and things you do changes, and
Speaker 2: when you stop drinking, your life changes and the people change.
Speaker 2: And if you still want to keep hanging out with
Speaker 2: those people, you can. But I'm telling you, it's just
Speaker 2: different the things you want in life. You start wanting
Speaker 2: things in life, you start achieving things in life again
Speaker 2: or maybe for the first time ever, and it's just
Speaker 2: it's amazing thing though, it really is to be on
Speaker 2: the side of it, and to think that that was
Speaker 2: a time where I thought it was impossible. It will
Speaker 2: happen for you. Corey Smoker, it will happen for you,
Speaker 2: Martie Winfield, listen. At that time, it would happen for
Speaker 2: everybody but me. It's not gonna happen for me. I
Speaker 2: will never win the lottery. I'll never fall in love
Speaker 2: and get married and have a kid. I'll never I'll never,
Speaker 2: It'll never happen. It's the same thinking of oh, I'll
Speaker 2: never be an alcoholic, that'll never happen to me, and
Speaker 2: then like flips but in the like a really tragic,
Speaker 2: sad way.
Speaker 5: So when did it start feeling like things could be different,
Speaker 5: like it was possible for things to be different, those
Speaker 5: things that you thought never ever could happen. When was
Speaker 5: it like these potentially could be part of my world.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I just started with one goal and just
Speaker 2: kind of kept that going and just kept adding to it.
Speaker 2: And I like pushing myself. I like to achieve things,
Speaker 2: so like to say that, yeah, I'm gonna start a
Speaker 2: podcast and then do that and then and just like man,
Speaker 2: we talked about the treatment thing and the man everybody
Speaker 2: does need to ride, and I don't know, we started
Speaker 2: kind of moving in that direction with you know, first
Speaker 2: we were thinking we would take people to meetings and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then with COVID and everything shutting down,
Speaker 2: in which I was never a huge fan of just
Speaker 2: putting someone on a bus anyway to get to treatment.
Speaker 2: I mean, just think about that. That's horrible. Well is
Speaker 2: it horrible, Corey, go to a bus stop. Why don't
Speaker 2: you go on the just a little bus trips? Next
Speaker 2: time you're going to go somewhere, just take the bus.
Speaker 2: You'll see what I'm talking about. That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 2: Just trust me. Okay, it's not a good idea. So
Speaker 2: we started taking people to them from treatment, and that
Speaker 2: was another thing, you know, and then it's like okay, cool,
Speaker 2: Well now what's next. And you know, we have this place,
Speaker 2: you know, the two seventeen Recovery Center, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to run a movie, so.
Speaker 1: Like pushing myself forward.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know exactly when I thought it
Speaker 2: was all possible because I'm still if we're looking at
Speaker 2: like a hill. You know how they say, hey, over
Speaker 2: the hill when you're fifty years old, which I think
Speaker 2: that it's now eighty, right, Yeah, something like that, because
Speaker 2: I'm forty seven, and then.
Speaker 1: I want to be up there.
Speaker 2: So if I was on that hill on my path
Speaker 2: of things I want to accomplish in life, I'm like
Speaker 2: a third of the way of it, not coming back
Speaker 2: down but heading up.
Speaker 1: Like that's where I feel like, so like people are
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you're doing good. I'm like, okaye, cool, But.
Speaker 5: I don't know, see, but that's where you're I mean,
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying it's not good to keep coming
Speaker 5: up with more goals and that's amazing. That's good. We
Speaker 5: all should do that in a way. But also too
Speaker 5: is being present and appreciative and recognizing things that you
Speaker 5: have done and just being able to live in that
Speaker 5: moment and not being like with the butt like look
Speaker 5: at what I've done, but you know, because then it's
Speaker 5: always like you're not really taking in and giving yourself credit.
Speaker 5: And actually like memorializing your accomplishments. You're always planning for
Speaker 5: what's next, and it is it's this gray area. There's
Speaker 5: this weird it's not like being one or the other,
Speaker 5: you know, and it is essentially in what I'm hearing
Speaker 5: too is the same thing that I experienced at least
Speaker 5: and probably the same for you, Corey, is like, you know,
Speaker 5: it's not like.
Speaker 3: These like.
Speaker 5: Monumental spots in our lives. I mean, sometimes it can
Speaker 5: be that where we actually reflect on how far we've come,
Speaker 5: but it's like this daily one foot in front of
Speaker 5: the other, and you know, and obviously there's detours and
Speaker 5: shit happens to us, and you know, we have disappointments,
Speaker 5: and we have let downs, and we have you know,
Speaker 5: pain and suffering and all that stuff in between, but
Speaker 5: none of it is related to alcohol or drug use.
Speaker 5: At least we can say that that's amazing. And so
Speaker 5: you know that being said is we are actually able
Speaker 5: to handle those moments. I think at least for me,
Speaker 5: because I'm clean and sober, and the clarity that you
Speaker 5: have on what is the next thing that I can do,
Speaker 5: or what is the next goal that I can achieve,
Speaker 5: or what is something else that I want to be
Speaker 5: part of my life. All of those are have become
Speaker 5: possibilities because once again we're living clean and solver.
Speaker 2: But how do you tell somebody who may have admitted
Speaker 2: to another person whoever, Hey, I know I have a problem,
Speaker 2: but I'm.
Speaker 1: Just gonna control it, you know.
Speaker 2: But then you have people reaching out for you because
Speaker 2: that question was kind of asked to me, and it's
Speaker 2: just like, that's how has.
Speaker 3: That worked out for you in the past, same thing
Speaker 3: that the same questions.
Speaker 2: That were ask how are they asking for help? Like
Speaker 2: I don't understand because if they're asking for money, are
Speaker 2: you a bank? You know, like it's their house, it's
Speaker 2: their living situation. You know, if you know, if they're
Speaker 2: still drinking on the weekend but still need money for rent,
Speaker 2: you still need help out with the electric bill or
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that, then I think you're being
Speaker 2: taken advantage of, you know, if I'm not saying you
Speaker 2: need to manage these people's money or stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But you got to.
Speaker 2: Kind of step back and go, Okay, is this really
Speaker 2: helping this person? But I don't want to see him
Speaker 2: throwing on the streets and this and that and I
Speaker 2: don't know where that comes. And I guess that's where
Speaker 2: the question is, you know, is that when it's time
Speaker 2: to call the intervention team, I think there's one in town.
Speaker 1: Just kind of kidding.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I wouldn't. I guess I would just say,
Speaker 4: for you know, can we set a goal of how
Speaker 4: you could achieve to maybe get some extra income to
Speaker 4: pay your rent? Have you communicated with your landlord?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: Can you do you have some money you can go
Speaker 4: and pay them? And then you know, with the plan
Speaker 4: of like in two weeks, I can give you this.
Speaker 4: In another two weeks, I can do this. Or I
Speaker 4: just can't be quick to like enable them as I
Speaker 4: want to do, you know, in a situation or I
Speaker 4: want to be I want to put on my cape
Speaker 4: and save everybody. It's hard, but I have to find
Speaker 4: a different way of a solution of how I can
Speaker 4: still maybe help them, but not I can't push them
Speaker 4: into the recovery part.
Speaker 6: And I can't push.
Speaker 4: Them in to wear back them into a corner of
Speaker 4: an intervention either, because sometimes I think, what's that you
Speaker 4: do an intervention on someone?
Speaker 6: What's the ending all of that?
Speaker 1: They hate you?
Speaker 6: It was not you you know.
Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting because I had my mom inquired about
Speaker 5: that a while ago. No, not for her. So she
Speaker 5: said that her therapist, her own therapist. Well, I'm not
Speaker 5: going to obviously name any names.
Speaker 1: But Sarah, no, Sarah has been No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so she my mom meets with a mental health professional,
Speaker 5: and she her obviously knows about what you know, her
Speaker 5: all of all the parts of my mom and her
Speaker 5: family and so on, and so like, she knew that
Speaker 5: I was her daughter who struggled with substantuse disorder and
Speaker 5: am now in this position of being a clinical therapist
Speaker 5: and I work, you know, with this amazing nonprofit so
Speaker 5: on and so forth. Well, she has another client who
Speaker 5: wanted an intervention, so she yes, my mom, does your
Speaker 5: daughter's company or organization do they do? Do they do interventions?
Speaker 5: There's air quotes? Do they do interventions?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: So I said, And my response was first as like,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of things, a lot of questions that
Speaker 5: I had about this client, but in general is that
Speaker 5: I mean, I personally feel.
Speaker 3: And this is where I said, this is like, do.
Speaker 5: You want my clinical opinion or do you want like
Speaker 5: my personal slash clinical opinion? Because those are like two
Speaker 5: little bit different things. Oh, because I personally feel that
Speaker 5: interventions a are outdated.
Speaker 3: Just the whole philosophy of what they are is just.
Speaker 5: It seems because but if you really break down what
Speaker 5: an invention is, Okay, so if you how you present
Speaker 5: this intervention, right, what does that entail?
Speaker 3: If you look it up like the like what the
Speaker 3: old definition.
Speaker 5: Was, It's basically a group of people coming together to
Speaker 5: address to an individual who's struggling with some sort of addiction,
Speaker 5: to put it in front of them, to let them
Speaker 5: know how much they care about them. Right, So the
Speaker 5: foundation of it is great, like it lives in a
Speaker 5: very positive place. But the problem is is that you
Speaker 5: also realize that when you're addressing with someone who's an
Speaker 5: active addiction, whether it's they're active and they're gambling, they're
Speaker 5: active in their drug use, are active in their alcoholism,
Speaker 5: whatever it is, like.
Speaker 3: They're not in a good headspace.
Speaker 5: And so I don't, no matter how much you love
Speaker 5: them or care about them, getting everybody together to basically
Speaker 5: blindside right because they don't know that these things are
Speaker 5: happening nine times out of ten, and we just want
Speaker 5: to because they feel like there's no other way to
Speaker 5: get the person in the room to give them this information.
Speaker 5: They probably already know how much they're loved. They probably do,
Speaker 5: but they're just not ready to address their addiction.
Speaker 2: And before you go in here further, I mean, we
Speaker 2: should probably address this because again, if you're listening for
Speaker 2: the first time, you probably don't understand. But this isn't
Speaker 2: just somebody we grabbed off the street. This is a
Speaker 2: l M s W license.
Speaker 5: Uh, master's social Okay, yeah, so a DC guys, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well so big congratulations two of them.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yes, it's it's she can't take a while.
Speaker 5: It's been a journey on my myself, my own self improvement.
Speaker 5: Yes it's continued, but I mean, credentials are great, and
Speaker 5: I do what I do because I've been through it, right,
Speaker 5: So I mean, I think that's true for all of us.
Speaker 5: But no, I mean I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 5: what your guys' experiences with interventions. I mean I had
Speaker 5: my own that my parents, my mom set up for me,
Speaker 5: and there was like ten people there at my aunt's
Speaker 5: house and they told me that I was that my
Speaker 5: grandma wanted to give me some artwork she had done,
Speaker 5: so would I come and meet them?
Speaker 3: At my aunt's.
Speaker 5: Cottage so she could give me these this artwork that
Speaker 5: she has had. And I got there and like, all
Speaker 5: my siblings were there, and like.
Speaker 2: All of them when was this then? Oh man, like
Speaker 2: they had to fly home for it or was it
Speaker 2: just like Christmas?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess they flew I guess they flew home. Well,
Speaker 5: my sister wasn't there. My sister, my half sister, was
Speaker 5: pretty young. And then my sister I wasn't didn't make it.
Speaker 5: But it was like my aunt and my grandma, and
Speaker 5: my brother and his wife and my cousins were there,
Speaker 5: which was odd because they don't really know me. They
Speaker 5: didn't really, I mean, they're older than me, you know,
Speaker 5: so they're like adults, but they kind of didn't really
Speaker 5: know what to say. And then my grandma, who was like,
Speaker 5: you know, has had her my father, her son, who
Speaker 5: was an active alcoholic for basically his whole adulthood, which
Speaker 5: means really my young adult on my childhood and young adulthood,
Speaker 5: and so she had a lot to say, you know,
Speaker 5: but she's a very blunt lady. It was it inasmuch
Speaker 5: as love air quotes love that I was supposed to feel,
Speaker 5: you still feel attacked.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you feel attacked and you feel.
Speaker 4: You're blindsided, right, and now everyone is here and it's
Speaker 4: like putting the spotlight on you, like come on, like
Speaker 4: I'm not already feeling some sort of way low self esteem, ashamed, guilt,
Speaker 4: and now it's just putting it on blast.
Speaker 5: And well the other part too is maybe maybe there
Speaker 5: is a way it can be done in a more
Speaker 5: professional way. People are like, we really do need to
Speaker 5: get we want to relay this messaging to our loved one,
Speaker 5: but we don't know how to do it. There there
Speaker 5: possibly could be a way to plan an intervention, but
Speaker 5: they need to be invited to it. In my opinion,
Speaker 5: they would need to be invited to it and know
Speaker 5: that it's happening and that and show up on their
Speaker 5: own free will. Like that is the only way I
Speaker 5: think it would be effective. And if you created an
Speaker 5: intervention strategy where it was like this is what we're
Speaker 5: going to talk about, like it's not scripted, but like
Speaker 5: these are the things and you can't come up with
Speaker 5: ultimatums like this is not the place where it's like
Speaker 5: the orl situation, because lots of times the messaging of
Speaker 5: loved ones can sound aft up as much as they
Speaker 5: like are doing it with love, it's it sounds a
Speaker 5: like an attack, b Like it's like, you know, the
Speaker 5: only way that we will ever be part of our
Speaker 5: life again is if you fill in the blank. And
Speaker 5: that they come up with stuff that they're not even
Speaker 5: qualified to even like talk about. They don't know about treatment,
Speaker 5: they don't know about detax they don't know about why
Speaker 5: you're drinking as much as you're drinking all of those pieces.
Speaker 5: And so I'm not like you're they're amateurs, but it's
Speaker 5: like they're not familiar with like addiction in general and
Speaker 5: so and plus our frontal lobes aren't functioning properly because
Speaker 5: we're under the influence probably at that moment, and all
Speaker 5: we're thinking right there is oh my god, I want
Speaker 5: to get so messed up after this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, an intervention is just it's
Speaker 4: like setting up the family too for like these false.
Speaker 2: Pretenses I'll be here to help you, what they call you,
Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't know what to do, or.
Speaker 4: You're setting up expectations that aren't you can't even meet clearly,
Speaker 4: like now you need to go to treatment today, Well
Speaker 4: guess what now you're the type of insurance you have.
Speaker 4: You know, like there's all these factors of these things
Speaker 4: that can play in too, and it's instead of it
Speaker 4: gets skewed to, you're now expecting this person to do
Speaker 4: something to make it better for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and anyway, and then depending on the person is,
Speaker 5: you might be putting them in a room that they
Speaker 5: already feel some kind of way about the person who's
Speaker 5: struggling because of whatever actions they've done or not done
Speaker 5: or you know, behaviors that they've presented, So they're not
Speaker 5: coming in with one hundred percent wrapping their arms around them.
Speaker 5: There's some anger there already, there's some distrust, there's some
Speaker 5: you know, all of those pieces and those are going
Speaker 5: to surface no matter what right they're human beings. So
Speaker 5: I mean, ultimately, like I said, I'm sure that there
Speaker 5: are still interventions specialists that you can find on the
Speaker 5: internet that you can contact and say, will you please
Speaker 5: help our family schedule an intervention with our whatever. But
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, to each their own, it's just
Speaker 5: that's my that's my take on this.
Speaker 2: Hop If someone though, if someone has the characteristics or
Speaker 2: personality or whatever you want to call it, of being
Speaker 2: shamed in two things, then that could probably work, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some people who just get shamed right
Speaker 2: into it and that works for them.
Speaker 1: Am I right?
Speaker 5: Isn't that kind of what the whole judicial system is doing? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 5: you have to do this and this and this and
Speaker 5: this and this and not do this and this and
Speaker 5: this and this and this, and then then you'll make
Speaker 5: it and you'll be in our good graces.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, you'll.
Speaker 6: Get less jail time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't even get me started
Speaker 1: on that stuff. I'm trying to have a good day.
Speaker 5: Well, but there are people that will go through drug
Speaker 5: court or whatever, and the people that actually stay sober
Speaker 5: after that if you ask them, you know, and maybe
Speaker 5: they'll say it's because I was in drug court, But
Speaker 5: I think it's because they were given this the time,
Speaker 5: they were required to take the time to actually look
Speaker 5: into why it is that I drink like I drink,
Speaker 5: or why it is that I drug like I drug,
Speaker 5: and they actually like address that and actually decided to
Speaker 5: take take it on themselves and say, I recognize this
Speaker 5: is a problem and I do want to change, and
Speaker 5: they actually have the opportunity to take to stay sober
Speaker 5: and clear minded enough to actually wade through.
Speaker 3: All of that.
Speaker 1: Do you have an intervention, Corey? No, No, obviously.
Speaker 6: I just I woke up in jail. Well I came
Speaker 6: to in jail.
Speaker 2: Well I had interventions before, because I mean, we didn't
Speaker 2: stop on our intervention.
Speaker 1: We just through that.
Speaker 2: We just laughed and see you later. We know he's
Speaker 2: on my side, you know, but like mine. It was
Speaker 2: kind of at the end, but it was like my
Speaker 2: brother's sister and all them, and it was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, and they're just like, you know, it hurts
Speaker 2: us when you drink. And I'm like, you're not going
Speaker 2: to come see your your nephews if you drink. Didn't
Speaker 2: they didn't buy me alcohol, so I don't really care,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 4: My grandma would just tell me when she picked me up,
Speaker 4: she's like, you know, I don't like this. Or when
Speaker 4: I come in the house and it's she goes like, oh,
Speaker 4: in that whiskey, and she just say but she wasn't like.
Speaker 6: Mean about it.
Speaker 1: That's going to be a drop.
Speaker 6: She wasn't mean about it.
Speaker 4: She was just like, you know, you're you're such a
Speaker 4: pretty girl, and you work hard. You don't need to
Speaker 4: be doing that. Doesn't look smell good on you.
Speaker 3: Sound so like a grandma. Response that was.
Speaker 2: Hit her back with, well maybe if you had to
Speaker 2: raise your kids better grams.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know what I call my grandma. It didn't
Speaker 4: matter what time of night, time of day, whatever, she answered,
Speaker 4: She showed up when she said she was going to
Speaker 4: show up, and she helped however she could best way
Speaker 4: possible because.
Speaker 1: She felt bad.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because she loved me.
Speaker 4: She loved her obviously, And that is one thing that
Speaker 4: I'm glad I got that my grandma and even my
Speaker 4: grandpa he passed away when I was ten months sober,
Speaker 4: that I got to show them that I was doing
Speaker 4: this thing.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 6: And my grandpa used to that stupid blow machine. They
Speaker 6: don't need to send you home with that dumb thing.
Speaker 4: But of course I took it to extreme level. So
Speaker 4: you know it's in that case. And I named him Patrick,
Speaker 4: and I put one huge, big old googly eye on
Speaker 4: the front of his case.
Speaker 6: And help Patrick's calling my name.
Speaker 1: So what happens if you missed one of those?
Speaker 4: They suggest that you go to the testing center and
Speaker 4: you take an.
Speaker 6: E K E ETG, ETG, the p test.
Speaker 4: If it's in the morning or anytime that you can't
Speaker 4: get to the testing center right away, they suggest that
Speaker 4: you call to go to the nearest police department and
Speaker 4: blow and have them document it and then.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you'll have to deal with the probation officer later.
Speaker 1: Okay, just wondering.
Speaker 2: Somebody somebody asked me the other day about it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I was like, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: they're not going to use our blow machine that we
Speaker 2: have in a closet somewhere like as an official.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a record of that'll be good.
Speaker 4: Most likely they make you do the ETG test because
Speaker 4: I will detect the alcohol and.
Speaker 1: Probably at a place that does that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, not just new direction here at.
Speaker 2: Two seventeen recovery. I mean, we are cool people, but okay,
Speaker 2: just just wonder the.
Speaker 6: Blowing at the police department.
Speaker 4: I had to do that, Yeah, like go get a
Speaker 4: PBT machine or PBT done at the police apartment. That
Speaker 4: was more for the Secretary of State, and that would
Speaker 4: piss me off even more because I did eight rolling
Speaker 4: tests from Lake and.
Speaker 6: Or Traverse City in blue clean, you know.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 1: Never again. Nope, never again.
Speaker 4: And you have that's a driving factor of why I
Speaker 4: choose not to drink today.
Speaker 1: Well, good job, Well thanks for being around. And I
Speaker 1: wanted to show you guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I see this every morning, but
Speaker 2: now that the snow out our window here at the office,
Speaker 2: like there, it was like a animal murder out there
Speaker 2: last night. There's some like vermin out there, but you'll see.
Speaker 2: I want you guys, as we finished the podcast, to
Speaker 2: get up look out there and see the tracks.
Speaker 6: There was a murder scene out there.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: There's like a little hole too. You can see where
Speaker 2: they buried his little body or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's out there here in Shriver's City. Man,
Speaker 2: that's the real problem now, unhoused, nah, gas prices, no,
Speaker 2: whatever this creature is, I think it's following me from
Speaker 2: Boyne City. You want to go back in the app
Speaker 2: and listen to that podcast.
Speaker 1: That was a good one.
Speaker 2: Don't remember what it's called, but go search board anyway,
Speaker 2: Marty's not impressed, so we are out. Thanks for listening
Speaker 2: to the two seventeen recovery podcasts. There are more episodes,
Speaker 2: like I said on our app and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3: Congratulations on seven years.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Congratulations on passing your test, Thank you, Happy seven years.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Corey