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<v Speaker 2>Hello and welcome to my channel Vice Rhino. Here today

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at a video put out by the Tomorrow's

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<v Speaker 2>World channel titled this is Scientific Evidence for God. Before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into the meat of this video, though some background.

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<v Speaker 2>This YouTube channel is run by the Living Church of God,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an offshoot denomination of the Global Church of God,

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<v Speaker 2>which was one of the factions that formed after the

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<v Speaker 2>founder of the Worldwide Church of God died in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six. They do not believe in the trendy. They

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<v Speaker 2>see God and Jesus as the two original members of

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<v Speaker 2>the Divine Family, and if you are a good Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>then eventually you yourself will become a member of the

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<v Speaker 2>Divine Family and become a full son of God because

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<v Speaker 2>the of the Divine Family is for God to reproduce himself. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not looking that deep into it, but I assume

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody being a son of God is either a

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<v Speaker 2>misogynistic view to women God doesn't have daughters, or else

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<v Speaker 2>all women will become trans men in God's kingdom. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>I doubt the latter option. The various factions of the

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<v Speaker 2>Worldwide Church of God are one of those offshoots of

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity that very obviously began because one guy, Herbert Armstrong

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, saw Christians as an easy mark for

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<v Speaker 2>his cohn. He wound up living in a mansion, flying

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<v Speaker 2>around in a private jet, and wearing expensive clothing. He

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<v Speaker 2>preached against doctors in modern medicine as you should have

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<v Speaker 2>faith that God would heal you, but he had no

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<v Speaker 2>problem going to the doctor when it came to him personally.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he died, and in the power vacuum, the various

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<v Speaker 2>leaders had varying levels of success, forming their splinter groups,

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<v Speaker 2>of which these guys are one. I don't expect any

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<v Speaker 2>of this to actually be relevant to the video, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do like to know some of the background of

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<v Speaker 2>who I'm responding to lest I make the mistake of

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculing the idea of the trindy when the person in

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<v Speaker 2>the video doesn't believe in the trendy, he believes in

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<v Speaker 2>the divine family in which he will eventually attain Godhood

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<v Speaker 2>for himself, an idea that is so far beyond ridicule

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<v Speaker 2>that it looped back around right into ridicule. Anyway, let's

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<v Speaker 2>see what the scientific evidence for God is. Maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>fringe cult will have something different than a standard Christian apologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>Many claim that science has removed the need for a creator.

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<v Speaker 3>After all, they say, we now know the universe began

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<v Speaker 3>in a sort of Big Bang, expanding in every direction

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<v Speaker 3>we can see.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not so much that science has definitively removed the

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<v Speaker 2>need for a creator. It's more that we keep discovering

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<v Speaker 2>non magical ways that happens, and so the need for

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<v Speaker 2>a happener to exist has been removed. So science has

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<v Speaker 2>removed the need for a creation. Okay, you got me.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually the apologists say that we atheists think that science

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<v Speaker 2>disproves God. I'm not used to hearing my position being

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<v Speaker 2>stated accurately by apologists. I'm sure this will continue for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the video.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, we understand the structure of matter, why it behaves

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<v Speaker 3>the way it does, and the laws that govern it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we don't understand everything about matter, how it behaves,

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<v Speaker 2>in the laws that govern it all. It's just that

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<v Speaker 2>every time we've learned a thing about any of that,

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<v Speaker 2>it has turned out to not involve God in any

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<v Speaker 2>way whatsoever, and so there's no real reason to think

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<v Speaker 2>that God would be a necessary part of the next

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<v Speaker 2>thing that we learn.

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<v Speaker 3>Closer to home, we understand life itself, they say it

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<v Speaker 3>simply evolved from non living matter with chance combinations of

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<v Speaker 3>chemicals enduring over time as they were somehow more fit

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<v Speaker 3>for survival and duplication.

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<v Speaker 2>He is once again being overly absolute here, presenting it

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<v Speaker 2>as though we know everything about the origin of life,

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<v Speaker 2>when that's actually one of the most active areas of

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<v Speaker 2>research in biology, meaning that there's a lot we still

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about it. But don't worry. I'm sure he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to use the fact that we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>everything yet as a way to argue himself to God's

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<v Speaker 2>existence from a point of ignorance, because no apologist would

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<v Speaker 3>Yet, when you look more closely, those claims fall apart,

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<v Speaker 3>because in every aspect of the world, if you're willing

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<v Speaker 3>to seek out and to accept the evidence you see

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<v Speaker 3>the fingerprints of a divine creator.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's more than a bit cliche to bring

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<v Speaker 2>this up at this point, but that would mean that

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<v Speaker 2>those divine fingerprints are all over everything, including cancer, mosquitoes,

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<v Speaker 2>that parasite that's making Americans their pants. Now you know the.

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<v Speaker 3>One ancient King David of Israel composed many of the

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<v Speaker 3>psalms of the Bible, and in them he makes a

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<v Speaker 3>simple and elegant point. The fool has said in his

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<v Speaker 3>heart there is no God.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it really elegant to say, essentially, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>agree with me, you're an idiot. And it gets even

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<v Speaker 2>less elegant if we read the second half of the verse.

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<v Speaker 2>They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds. There is none

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<v Speaker 2>who does good. So not only is this if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't agree with me, you're an idiot, it's if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't agree with me, you're an idiot who is incapable

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<v Speaker 2>of doing anything good in your life. Usually the second

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<v Speaker 2>half gets left off by apologists, as he did here,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is really easy to find examples of non

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<v Speaker 2>Christians doing good. My go to has always been you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>my audience. Since twenty nineteen, we've done an annual fundraiser

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<v Speaker 2>for a food bank in my area, and the cumulative

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<v Speaker 2>total donated by you guys to this food bank is

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<v Speaker 2>currently setting out just over ninety six thousand dollars. That

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of good to be done by people

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<v Speaker 2>who supposedly never do anything good. Y'all prove the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>wrong every November, is what I'm getting at.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet, there are many scientists today who would call King

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<v Speaker 3>David the fool?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that really what we're going with here? King David

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<v Speaker 2>says non believers are idiots, but they think he's an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>This is supposed to be a video, and the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>for God and his opener is a drawn out nil

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<v Speaker 2>you fight where only one side is actually even involved

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<v Speaker 2>and the other is completely imagined.

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<v Speaker 3>They stare into the cosmos above, or examine the variety

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<v Speaker 3>of life in the world and see no evidence of

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<v Speaker 3>God anywhere at all. They look into nature and see

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<v Speaker 3>nothing in it that points beyond nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, for a moment, let's just ignore the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>there are plenty of scientists who believe in God and

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<v Speaker 2>just take him at face value. A monarch from a

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<v Speaker 2>time before toilet paper was invented, looked at the world

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<v Speaker 2>and was like, wow, I can't imagine how this could

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<v Speaker 2>have come about. Seems magical to me. Meanwhile, modern scientists

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<v Speaker 2>who have the ability to three D print a custom

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<v Speaker 2>prosthetic limb that can be controlled via brain interface have

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<v Speaker 2>looked at the world and we're like, wow, seems like

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<v Speaker 2>all of this can be explained without resorting to magical explanations.

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<v Speaker 2>And you think we should side with the pre butt

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<v Speaker 2>wipeian monarch. Spellcheck didn't underline pre butt Wipeian. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not entirely sure what that says about society, but

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<v Speaker 2>it does seem like proof against a loving God. Next up,

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<v Speaker 2>he reads that Dawkins quote about the universe looking exactly

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<v Speaker 2>as we'd expect if there is no God. We've all

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<v Speaker 2>heard it a million times, so I'm gonna just skip it.

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<v Speaker 3>Too. Many physicists, cosmologists, and biologists refuse to see the

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<v Speaker 3>evidence for their eyes, refuse to acknowledge the fingerprints of

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<v Speaker 3>God that exists all over the very subjects they study.

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<v Speaker 2>Should it not say something to you that the experts

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<v Speaker 2>at studying these things don't see God in them, but you,

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<v Speaker 2>a layman whose knowledge on the subjects barely scratches the surface,

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<v Speaker 2>do And of course he's framing this as though all

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<v Speaker 2>scientists are atheists, But that is just not true. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>a scientist is less likely to believe in God than

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<v Speaker 2>someone from the general public, but nearly a third of

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<v Speaker 2>them do believe in God. So your blanket statement that

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<v Speaker 2>all of these science people refuse to acknowledge the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>for God is just wrong not to mention the fact that,

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<v Speaker 2>according to what you have said so far in this video,

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<v Speaker 2>the smartest people on the planet are all a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of fools.

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<v Speaker 3>They proclaim a dedication to following the evidence, but when

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<v Speaker 3>the evidence points in a direction they find undesirable, they

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<v Speaker 3>look away.

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<v Speaker 2>Counterpoint, you, a non expert, are probably just wrong about

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<v Speaker 2>the direction in which the evidence points. Well, the experts

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<v Speaker 2>are actually correct.

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<v Speaker 3>So without a telescope or spectral analysis or cosmic microwave measurements,

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<v Speaker 3>David could still look at the universe above his head

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<v Speaker 3>and conclude this is a fingerprint of God, who created

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<v Speaker 3>all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>You can clearly see the fingerprint of God until you

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<v Speaker 2>look closely. Then all the people doing the looking are like, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no reason to think a God did this.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a pretty reasonable argument against God if

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<v Speaker 2>you ask me.

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<v Speaker 3>And science has backed the Bible up, as the evidence

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<v Speaker 3>does point to a universe that did not always exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever he is about to inevitably say about the Big Bang,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just point out that the Bible had two

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<v Speaker 2>options here. Either the world had a beginning or it

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<v Speaker 2>did not. It's not really all that impressive that the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible won a coin flip. But also there is nuance

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<v Speaker 2>in the translation of the first few verses of Genesis.

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<v Speaker 2>In most translations, it goes something like in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was

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<v Speaker 2>without form and void, and darkness was over the face

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<v Speaker 2>of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering

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<v Speaker 2>over the face the waters. And God said, let there

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<v Speaker 2>be light, And there was light. But the syntax of

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<v Speaker 2>the ancient Hebrew suggests that verse two, rather than being

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<v Speaker 2>a description of the earth as God was creating, it

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<v Speaker 2>is supposed to be a parenthetical describing the earth that

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<v Speaker 2>existed before God began creating. The anchor Bible translation has

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<v Speaker 2>it as when God set about to create heaven and earth,

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<v Speaker 2>the world being beniformless waste with darkness over the season,

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<v Speaker 2>only an awesome wind sweeping over the water. God said,

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<v Speaker 2>let there be light, and there was light. There is

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<v Speaker 2>enough ambiguity here that, honestly a case could be made

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<v Speaker 2>in either direction. Either the world had a beginning or

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<v Speaker 2>there was always something there, depending on how you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the text. So the Bible flipped a coin and

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<v Speaker 2>wound up in a headsie wind tails you lose scenario.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, the Big Bang theory has taken so much for

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<v Speaker 3>granted that many do not realize that when evidence for

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<v Speaker 3>it was first discovered, scientists vigorously opposed it because it

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<v Speaker 3>sounded too much like the description of God's creation in

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<v Speaker 3>the Book of Genesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Betchy, He doesn't mention that the Catholic priests who first

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<v Speaker 2>formulated the Big Bang theory, George Lemetra, once asked the

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<v Speaker 2>Pope to stop talking about it as those signs proves God,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's not how he saw it.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, when George la Maatra first suggested that relativity

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<v Speaker 3>Albert Einstein told him that it suggests too much the

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<v Speaker 2>And while Einstein would eventually come around to accept the

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<v Speaker 2>Earth creationists, meaning that he is standing there using the

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<v Speaker 2>ignoring the worldview shattering implications of the Big Bang with

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise the math doesn't work, and we know that relativity

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<v Speaker 3>Writing in the esteemed science journal Nature Astrophysicists, Sir Arthur

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<v Speaker 3>Eddington said of the idea philosophically, the notion of a

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<v Speaker 2>And he's one of the guys who made some key

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<v Speaker 2>Quaker who most definitely believed in God, So your use

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<v Speaker 2>of him to support the idea that scientists willingly refuse

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<v Speaker 3>And astronomer and cosmologists friends. Hoile mocked the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll give you a Hoile for this point. As

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<v Speaker 2>far as I can tell, he went to his grave

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<v Speaker 2>Bang theory, and much of his rhetoric regarding the Big

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<v Speaker 2>Bang revolved around the idea that too many scientists were

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<v Speaker 2>theory that most closely matched up with the Bible, rather

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<v Speaker 2>than looking at the data. And well, I am happy

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bunch of developed religious scientists. So I can

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<v Speaker 2>see how he got that initial impression, but how he

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<v Speaker 3>Why they were all unnerved is perhaps best summed up

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<v Speaker 3>in a statement by famous physicist Stephen Hawking. As New

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<v Speaker 3>Scientist magazine reported in twenty eleven, he noted a point

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<v Speaker 3>one would have to appeal to religion and the hand

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<v Speaker 2>Before getting into this quote, I'd just like to point

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<v Speaker 2>out a bit of dishonest trickery on their part. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>the title of the article, the author, and when it

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<v Speaker 2>was written. But when I went to that article, there

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be a rather worthy subtitle that they have

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<v Speaker 2>omitted from their images, which reads, the Big Bang may

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<v Speaker 2>not have been the beginning of everything, but new calculations

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<v Speaker 2>suggests we still need a cosmic starter.

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<v Speaker 1>Gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess we couldn't have the fact that the Big Bang

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<v Speaker 2>is not, in fact the beginning of the universe being

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out in a video that relies so heavily on

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<v Speaker 2>the misconception that it is. Back to the quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>wasted ten dollars to access the article to find that

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<v Speaker 2>they had just pulled it completely out of context from

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve. In context, he is not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>that is his opinion. In fact, it's not even the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of a sentence. So let's read the full quote.

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<v Speaker 2>The big question in cosmology in the early sixties was

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<v Speaker 2>did the universe have a beginning? Many scientists were instinctively

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<v Speaker 2>of creation would be a place where science broke down.

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<v Speaker 2>One would have to appeal to religion and the hand

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<v Speaker 2>of God to determine how the universe would start off.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was not, in fact saying that a beginning

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<v Speaker 2>automatically means God. He was saying that some scientists were

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<v Speaker 2>of that opinion in the nineteen sixties. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>career was explaining the beginning of the universe without appealing

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<v Speaker 2>to God or religion, that he did not actually hold

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<v Speaker 2>that opinion himself.

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<v Speaker 3>As prominent physicist Alexander Blincoln wrote in two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 3>with the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer

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<v Speaker 3>hide behind the possibility of a past eternal universe. There

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<v Speaker 2>And if we read slightly past that quote, to the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the page that it's on, we find a

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<v Speaker 2>section of the chapter called a proof of God question mark.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you'll allow me to read a somewhat lengthy

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<v Speaker 2>passage from this book, which you will, because this is

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<v Speaker 2>a video, you don't control me. The final paragraphs of

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<v Speaker 2>that section say, quote, so what do we make of

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<v Speaker 2>a roof that the beginning is unavoidable? Is it a

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<v Speaker 2>proof of the existence of God? This would be far

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<v Speaker 2>too simplistic. Anyone who attempts to understand the origin of

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<v Speaker 2>the universe should be prepared to address its logical paradoxes.

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<v Speaker 2>In this regard, the theorem that I proved with my

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues does not give much of an advantage to the

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<v Speaker 2>theologian over the scientist. Also, the scientist might have been

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<v Speaker 2>too rash to admit that the cosmic beginning cannot be

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<v Speaker 2>described in purely scientific terms. True, it is hard to

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<v Speaker 2>see how this can be done. But things that seem

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<v Speaker 3>Why would so many scientists consider that a problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Because a scientist's job is to solve problems by figuring

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<v Speaker 2>is a problem that needs solving, and ain't nobody going

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<v Speaker 2>to solve it by saying God did it? Just as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as the math starts getting complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, think about it. If the universe had a beginning,

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<v Speaker 3>then what caused that beginning? After all, science is very

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. But the issue here is that y'all are

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<v Speaker 2>using the fact that we don't actually have a solid

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<v Speaker 2>answer to this question in order to shove God and

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<v Speaker 2>is the answer? But the Christian God did it? Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>any better of an answer than gay Unicorn, Gary did

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<v Speaker 2>it and the real answer we don't know for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but the smart people are working on It. May be

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<v Speaker 2>unsatisfying for some people, but that doesn't mean that plugging

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<v Speaker 2>that gap in our knowledge with God is warranted at

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<v Speaker 3>But we can't go further. What makes science and a

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<v Speaker 3>study of this vast universe possible not just the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the universe exists, but that it is a law

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<v Speaker 3>abiding and orderly universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Science is the process of learning about and describing how

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<v Speaker 2>the universe works. If the universe worked differently, than science

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<v Speaker 2>would learn about this different universe, potentially in a different way,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on what those differences are. The fact that we

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<v Speaker 2>not point to a God enforcing a learned, boutedness onto

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<v Speaker 2>the universe, and this actually kind of flies in the

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<v Speaker 2>face of his earlier point about using the origin of

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<v Speaker 2>the universe as proof of God. If God is required

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<v Speaker 2>in order to make the universe behave in accordance with

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<v Speaker 2>the laws of physics and whatnot, than not having a

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<v Speaker 2>God means that you can expect, like entire universes to

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<v Speaker 2>expect some of those universes to just through sheer random chance,

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<v Speaker 2>But in truth, the answer to the question of why

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<v Speaker 2>the universe has the laws of physics that it does

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<v Speaker 2>is once again, we don't know, so at best. Here

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<v Speaker 2>we've once again got you trying desperately to stuff God

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<v Speaker 3>Calling the beginning of the universe the Big Bang gives

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<v Speaker 3>the wrong impression that it was like an explosion of

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<v Speaker 3>Just consider the collection of mathematical equations and laws that

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<v Speaker 2>You've got it backward. We developed mathematical equations and laws

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<v Speaker 3>It just describes it, such as Newton's laws of motion, swells,

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<v Speaker 3>equations concerning light and electromagnetism, the Einstein field equations, the

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he goes on for a while just listing a

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<v Speaker 2>they work as an accurate description of housepace, time, and

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<v Speaker 2>matter work. Well. Those equations were the ones from which

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<v Speaker 2>the Friedman equations were derived, which describe the development of

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<v Speaker 2>a calculated age of the universe of thirteen point eight

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<v Speaker 2>billion years. So we are once again at a place

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<v Speaker 2>where people who believe that the entire universe is only

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<v Speaker 2>about six thousand years old are using the same math

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<v Speaker 2>that shows it to be billions of years old in

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<v Speaker 2>order to support the idea that it was made by

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<v Speaker 2>a creator who liked orderly things. But here's the real

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<v Speaker 2>problem with this line of argument. If there were no God,

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<v Speaker 2>in what sort of universe would we expect to find life, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>only in the kind of universe that is capable of

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<v Speaker 2>sustaining life. But if there were a God, then in

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<v Speaker 2>what sort of universe would we expect to find life?

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<v Speaker 2>Any sort. He's God. He can sustain life in any universe,

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me that creating a universe that, by

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<v Speaker 2>all appearances is completely incapable of sustaining life in any way,

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<v Speaker 2>shape or form, but then having life existing within that

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<v Speaker 3>And yet the order and structure go further. While there

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<v Speaker 3>are still mysteries we don't fully understand, such as theoretical

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<v Speaker 3>physics tells us that everything we see in the universe

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<v Speaker 3>is built out of only seventeen basic building blocks twelve

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<v Speaker 3>basic particles of matter, four force carrying particles, and one

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<v Speaker 3>particle giving the other's mass. Imagine all the vast variety

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<v Speaker 3>all built from a construction set of only seventeen basic, invisible,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, once again, you are making a point that is

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<v Speaker 2>Assuming that he's describing quantum physics correctly, which is an

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<v Speaker 2>in the universe ultimately has its basis in some very

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<v Speaker 2>simple stuff that doesn't require an intelligent designer to explain

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<v Speaker 2>all the complexity. Last week, Greg Cochal and Amy Hall

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<v Speaker 2>had me nearly sold on Hinduism with their attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>explain why Christianity deserves more consideration than other religions. This week,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy whose name I forget even though they showed

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<v Speaker 2>it in a chiron every ten seconds or so, is

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<v Speaker 2>selling me on atheism. Apologists really suck at their jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>don't they. On an unrelated note, when the Higgs boson

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<v Speaker 2>was first observed in twenty twelve, Chris Halbeck put out

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<v Speaker 2>this one panel comic of the Huggs Bison. It is

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<v Speaker 2>stupid and dumb, and I love it. I would die

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<v Speaker 2>for you, Huggs Bison.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet the order goes even deeper because the universe

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<v Speaker 3>is more than order and law abiding. The laws exhibit

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<v Speaker 3>extreme fine tuning to make complex life like ours possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so again we find life in the universe that

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<v Speaker 2>would be capable of sustaining life with or without a

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<v Speaker 2>God's intervention. And this is somehow better proof for God

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<v Speaker 2>than if we existed in a universe that clearly was

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<v Speaker 2>incapable of sustaining life without supernatural help. Aren't miracles supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be within God's skill set? How is a non

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<v Speaker 2>miraculous thing like stuff existing where it's possible for that

448
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<v Speaker 2>stuff to exist supposed to prove God? And at this

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<v Speaker 2>point he just lists a bunch of cosmological constants and properties.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes across very much as a look at how

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<v Speaker 2>in his science words, I can say that means that

452
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<v Speaker 2>I am smart, so you can trust me. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>boring to boot, so skip it. I shall not sure

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<v Speaker 2>why I wrote that last line, like that intellectual life

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<v Speaker 2>sound when speak like Yoda.

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<v Speaker 3>I do all of these factors and more required values

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<v Speaker 3>so precise that if some of them were off by

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<v Speaker 3>only a fraction of a percent, stars could not form,

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<v Speaker 3>the universe could not expand, and human life could not exist.

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<v Speaker 2>I always love it when the anti evolution apologists use

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<v Speaker 2>this argument, because the whole thing is predicated around the

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<v Speaker 2>formation of stars. We need stars to produce elements heavier

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<v Speaker 2>than beryllium and provide a source of energy that can

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<v Speaker 2>be used on a nearby planet, and the chemical reactions

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<v Speaker 2>that eventually develop into life, which eventually evolves into us.

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<v Speaker 2>None of that is necessary if you don't think evolution happened.

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<v Speaker 2>God just poofed us all into existence from nothing, So

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<v Speaker 2>why would it matter whether or not stars in the

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<v Speaker 2>early universe were making elements that life could use as

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<v Speaker 2>it developed billions of years later. At best, this is

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<v Speaker 2>an argument for theistic evolution, But even when used that way,

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<v Speaker 2>it once again boils down to we don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>this happened, so it must have been magic. So color

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<v Speaker 2>me unimpressed.

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<v Speaker 3>As Stephen Hawking put it in his groundbreaking book A

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<v Speaker 3>Brief History of Time, the remarkable fact is that the

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<v Speaker 3>values of these numbers seem to have been very finely

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<v Speaker 3>adjusted to make possible the development of life.

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<v Speaker 2>The preceding sentence to that one was quote, it is

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<v Speaker 2>also possible that some or all of them vary from

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<v Speaker 2>universe to universe, or within a single universe. Even earlier

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<v Speaker 2>in that chapter, he says quote, these laws may have

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<v Speaker 2>been originally decreed by God, but it appears that he

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<v Speaker 2>has since left the universe too evolve according to them,

485
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<v Speaker 2>and does not now intervene in it. So not only

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<v Speaker 2>was Hawking not convinced that a god was necessary, a

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<v Speaker 2>good chunk of this chapter is him juxtaposing the God

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<v Speaker 2>hypothesis with both the weak and strong anthropic principle. But

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<v Speaker 2>even if you land on the God side, you're once

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<v Speaker 2>again left with a God who just got things going

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<v Speaker 2>and then sat back and watched evolution take its course.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, let's look at another passage written by King David

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<v Speaker 3>that takes us in a completely different direction in our

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<v Speaker 3>hunt for God's fingerprints. In Psalm one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 3>nine and verse fourteen, we read, I will praise you

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<v Speaker 3>for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are your works,

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<v Speaker 3>and that my soul knows very well.

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<v Speaker 2>Prediction time we are about to enter the wow. Biology

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<v Speaker 2>is complicated, therefore it must have been God portion of

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<v Speaker 2>the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Life itself carries the fingerprints of God. Consider, for instance,

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<v Speaker 3>the smallest unit of life, the cell. As biologists have

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<v Speaker 3>learned to peer into the microscopic world of the living cell,

504
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<v Speaker 3>they have discovered an absolutely amazing world, so intelligently structured

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<v Speaker 3>in its vast array of inner workings and mechanisms that

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<v Speaker 3>it puts to shame every piece of human technology ever invented.

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<v Speaker 2>And there you have it. Biology be complicated must have

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<v Speaker 2>been God.

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Dawkins stated in his landmark book The Blind Watchmaker

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<v Speaker 3>that there is enough information capacity in a single human

511
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<v Speaker 3>cell to store the Encyclopedia Britannica all thirty volumes of it,

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<v Speaker 3>three or four times over.

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<v Speaker 2>I know quote mining is a creation of staple, but

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, the title of the book itself makes

515
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<v Speaker 2>it rather obvious that the entire point of the book

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<v Speaker 2>is explaining how this stuff could have come about without

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<v Speaker 2>having to be designed by God. So far, this whole

518
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<v Speaker 2>video has just been an exercise and cherry picking. When

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<v Speaker 2>I think the science works for my case, I will

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<v Speaker 2>use it. But during the rest of the book, where

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<v Speaker 2>it contradicts my case, I can just ignore all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, DNA and proteins and other molecular apparatus that process, duplicate, repair,

523
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<v Speaker 3>and maintain it represent nanotechnology of nearly unimaginable complexity. And

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<v Speaker 3>wonder that for all of our efforts, we have yet

525
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<v Speaker 3>been able to create ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at a level with you here. I hate molecular biology.

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<v Speaker 2>It bores me to tears. So rather than dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>this exactly now, I will instead link to an older

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<v Speaker 2>video of mine where I had a similar dislike of

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<v Speaker 2>molecular biology and so roped friend of the Channel and

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<v Speaker 2>now officially published scientist Jackson Wheat into handling the evolution

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<v Speaker 2>of the bacterial flagellum. Well, this guy didn't specifically bring

533
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<v Speaker 2>up the flagellum. The same principle applies here. The flagellum

534
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<v Speaker 2>is a molecular machine whose evolution is well understood, and

535
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<v Speaker 2>simpler forms of the flagellum have different uses in biology,

536
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<v Speaker 2>showing that irreducible complexity doesn't really apply here. Pick any

537
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<v Speaker 2>molecular machine in any modern cell, and I can guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>you there will be a plethora of research into the

539
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<v Speaker 2>evolution of that particular machine. This is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>main problems of creationism. If you learn just a little

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<v Speaker 2>tiny bit about some scientific topic, then it becomes relatively

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<v Speaker 2>easy to use big words to say, look, how complicated

543
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<v Speaker 2>this it is. It must have been God. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you learn more than just that little tiny bit about

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<v Speaker 2>the same topic, then you immediately start learning about all

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<v Speaker 2>the non God explanations for how all this complicated happens.

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<v Speaker 3>In a paper published in twenty twelve, prominent molecular geneticist

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<v Speaker 3>George Church said plainly, DNA is among the most dense

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<v Speaker 3>and stable information media known. Less than a year later,

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<v Speaker 3>the journal Nature reported that a team of scientists demonstrated

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<v Speaker 3>this capacity in DNA by encoding all one hundred and

552
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<v Speaker 3>fifty four of Shakespeare's sonnets. The original scientific paper by

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<v Speaker 3>Francis Crick and James Watson, about the structure of DNA,

554
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<v Speaker 3>a color photograph of the European Bioinformatics Institute in England,

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<v Speaker 3>and an audio excerpt of Martin Luther King's famous I

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<v Speaker 3>have a dream speech, all of it in a tiny

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<v Speaker 3>bit of DNA.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, storing data in DNA is really really cool, But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see how this is relevant to the question

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<v Speaker 2>of whether or not there is a designer. All DNA

561
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<v Speaker 2>data storage is really doing is converting the binary code

562
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<v Speaker 2>for all of the things that he was talking about

563
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<v Speaker 2>from ones and zeros to ac'sg's and t's. Because there

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<v Speaker 2>are four bases, there is an automatic increase in storage density.

565
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<v Speaker 2>But you could store the same information in rocks. If

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<v Speaker 2>you really wanted to just line up the rocks and

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<v Speaker 2>have one rock represent to zero and two rocks represent

568
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<v Speaker 2>a one, your storage density would decrease by a very

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<v Speaker 2>large margin, but all the same data could hypothetically be there. Hell,

570
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<v Speaker 2>you can store data in an audio waveform using this method.

571
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<v Speaker 2>Musician turn hacker Ben Jordan once stored an image of

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<v Speaker 2>a bird on a bird. The DNA isn't what's making

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<v Speaker 2>this information useful. It's still the computers that can turn

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<v Speaker 2>the data into pixels on a screen. And would you

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<v Speaker 2>like to know what else? If the DNA being used

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<v Speaker 2>to store data had the same level of organization as

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<v Speaker 2>the DNA in our bodies, it would be nearly useless.

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<v Speaker 2>The ones and zeros to play the MP three of

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<v Speaker 2>the I Have a Dream speech wouldn't be much use.

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<v Speaker 2>If they were jumbled up in a random order, which

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<v Speaker 2>is largely what you find in naturally occurring DNA, it

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<v Speaker 2>would take a lot of extra effort to parse out

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<v Speaker 2>the correct order, rendering the DNA functionally useless as a

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<v Speaker 2>storage medium in the process. Like just as an example,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure many of you have heard that the main

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<v Speaker 2>thing that causes males to develop male anatomy is the

587
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<v Speaker 2>sroy gene on the Y chromosome. Male embryos have a

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<v Speaker 2>Y chromosome, so the Sroy gene tells the body to

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<v Speaker 2>develop male anatomy. And if you haven't heard that, now

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<v Speaker 2>you have. That is the very common, oversimplified picture of

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<v Speaker 2>how sex determination happens. But how exactly does the sroy

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<v Speaker 2>gene make you male? Well, it does that by producing

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<v Speaker 2>a protein that stops a gene found on the X chromosome,

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<v Speaker 2>Nr zero b one from making its protein, which would

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<v Speaker 2>then stop the SOCKS nine gene on chromosome seventeen from

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<v Speaker 2>making testes. Did you follow all of that. SOXS nine

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<v Speaker 2>is a gene on chromosome seventeen which everyone has, which,

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<v Speaker 2>when expressed, will cause an embryo to develop testes. Female

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<v Speaker 2>anatomy happens when the Nr zero b one gene makes

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<v Speaker 2>a protein that binds to the soxs and nine gene,

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<v Speaker 2>preventing it from being expressed. So male anatomy happens when

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<v Speaker 2>the sroy gene stops the NR zero b one gene

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<v Speaker 2>from stopping the SOXX nine gene from making male anatomy.

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<v Speaker 2>And even this is an oversimplified picture. My point in

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<v Speaker 2>bringing it up is one of organization. If our genome

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<v Speaker 2>was intelligently designed, why is everything about it a disorganized

607
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<v Speaker 2>pile of hot garbage?

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<v Speaker 3>The complexity of the cellular machinery and the information bearing

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<v Speaker 3>capabilities of DNA should be seen as fingerprints pointing to

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<v Speaker 3>the presence of a great design or behind them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, unfortunately for you, one of the hallmarks of great

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<v Speaker 2>design is that something is no more complex than it

613
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<v Speaker 2>needs to be in order to do its job. So

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<v Speaker 2>you consistently harping on about how complex everything is is

615
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<v Speaker 2>once again working against you.

616
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<v Speaker 3>Yet most scientists continue to look away from the obvious

617
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<v Speaker 3>conclusions of the evidence, no matter how much work they

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<v Speaker 3>must do to convince themselves that the obvious isn't obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>If the conclusions were obvious, then I'm sorry, but the

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<v Speaker 2>scientists would agree with them. But unfortunately for you, these

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<v Speaker 2>conclusions are only obvious if you have a superficial understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of these topics. As soon as you start studying them

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<v Speaker 2>in any amount of depth, creationism becomes untenable. The rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the video is him preaching, So we're done here.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the fringe cult has the exact same talking

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<v Speaker 2>points as the mainstream guys. Weird that you can arrive

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<v Speaker 2>at such radically different views of God from the same evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder why science doesn't work that way. Today's comment

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<v Speaker 2>to the day. It comes to us from Bobby Friston,

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<v Speaker 2>who says atheism is when thought convinces itself that it

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<v Speaker 2>has searched every nook and cranny for God. God is

632
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<v Speaker 2>when thought understands itself to be the impediment. Well, Bobby,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've searched every nook and cranny for God.

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<v Speaker 2>I just haven't seen any indication that God exists and

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<v Speaker 2>apologies keep failing at showing me the knooks and crannies

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<v Speaker 2>that they superdue or promise that He's hiding in. But

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for acknowledging that the best way to believe in

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<v Speaker 2>God is to stop thinking. Thanks for watching. I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back next Friday with more, but if you need to

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<v Speaker 2>get your rhino fixed in before then, I live stream

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<v Speaker 2>with service every Wednesday eight thirty Eastern on my other channel,

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<v Speaker 2>The Watering Hole. Thanks to Piper for being my editor

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<v Speaker 2>and special thanks as always do my patrons, who are

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<v Speaker 2>the image of a bird that is stored on the

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<v Speaker 2>bird that is my channel. If you'd like to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the weirdest data storage situations I've ever heard of,

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<v Speaker 2>the other methods can be gone at link stab viceround

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, which is also where you find links of

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<v Speaker 2>my other projects. If for whatever reason want to send

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<v Speaker 2>me stuff my po box addresses in the description see

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<v Speaker 2>and next time. It just started raining really hard and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if that's going to get picked up

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<v Speaker 2>by the microphone, but whatever, I can't control the weather yet.

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