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Speaker 1: Brigham McCollum with the Hudson Institute, which you can find
Speaker 1: online at Hudson dot org. Brigham ccowen to talk about
Speaker 1: Trump's energy policies. Welcome back, Brigham. You know I love
Speaker 1: having you on the show. It's good to have you
Speaker 1: back on today.
Speaker 2: Well, Brian, thank you so much. It's always an honor
Speaker 2: and a pleasure. And I'm reporting to you live from
Speaker 2: our nation's capital this morning.
Speaker 1: Oh you're in the swamp. Huh.
Speaker 2: Well, you know we're gonna make it shiny again. We're
Speaker 2: gonna clean things up.
Speaker 1: I think, I hope so, and I honestly, I have
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. When I saw the topic today,
Speaker 1: Trump's energy policies. My only reaction because I honestly, and
Speaker 1: as much as I read, as much news as I
Speaker 1: go through, I haven't really personally seen a whole lot
Speaker 1: about it, except that he is what has been described
Speaker 1: as or for what I've generally read as everything approaches,
Speaker 1: like all the everything, you know, we'll go with it
Speaker 1: all whatever you want, everything open, let's use that gas,
Speaker 1: oil and coal, and if you want a windmill, do
Speaker 1: that all the above kind of strategy in order to
Speaker 1: bring down our energy bills and create a more efficient
Speaker 1: energy system here.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that is one of the key pillars. And I
Speaker 2: think you know this notion of energy dominance or energy independence,
Speaker 2: which we've talked about, is more critical than ever. You know,
Speaker 2: we've talked on the program previously about watching mistakes that
Speaker 2: other countries have made, so your inflicted.
Speaker 1: Wounds the European Union collectively Germany most notably.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and you know this is part of President
Speaker 2: Trump has several pillars. And if I may real quickly, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'll explain how he fits into this. First is
Speaker 2: this return to peace through strength by re establishing deterrence,
Speaker 2: renewing America's industrial base, which requires a lot of energy,
Speaker 2: and protecting the US against espionage and different ask actions
Speaker 2: like that. I'll skip over secure our borders. That's pretty
Speaker 2: self explanatory. But on our economy. You know, that's really
Speaker 2: where energy comes in, because you know, it is a
Speaker 2: huge component of what makes a country, any country competitive
Speaker 2: or not competitive when you're trying to build and sell things.
Speaker 2: And I think that's something a lot of the world
Speaker 2: has forgotten. And we've seeded this to China and to
Speaker 2: some extent some other places of people that don't like
Speaker 2: us very much. It's very odd, don't you agree?
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. And that's what I always
Speaker 1: go back to. I mean, I know, I think I'm
Speaker 1: one of the few heretics that are left in the
Speaker 1: world that doesn't believe that you and I are exhiling
Speaker 1: ourselves into existence. I don't believe committing you know, economic
Speaker 1: suicide by trying to rely on the sun to power
Speaker 1: literally everything. I'm smarter than that. But I watch as
Speaker 1: other countries benefiting unbelievably in terms of their building of
Speaker 1: their economy. The Chinese. Chinese are a perfect example. They
Speaker 1: push this global warming stuff on the rest of the
Speaker 1: world through all of their connectivity with social media and
Speaker 1: influencing and all that, and yet they do not lift
Speaker 1: a finger. They are not interested in committing economic suicide.
Speaker 1: They burn coal they still build coal plants, they do
Speaker 1: anything they damn well please, while they manufacture all of
Speaker 1: the green stuff that we think we need to rely
Speaker 1: on completely. It's just absolute insanity, Brigham.
Speaker 2: Amen, Amen, it is in fact. And you know, if
Speaker 2: you look just a couple miles away from me, down
Speaker 2: down Pennsylvania Avenue at the White House, you know, for
Speaker 2: the last four years you've heard this administration, the Biden
Speaker 2: Harris administration, talk about, well, we compete with China over here,
Speaker 2: but in climate they agree with us on climate. We
Speaker 2: are cooperating. Now, Brian, it's unilateral economic disarmament. They want
Speaker 2: us to believe all this nonsense because they want us
Speaker 2: to destroy what's left of our industrial base, to destroy
Speaker 2: what's left of American and American strength energy. I mean,
Speaker 2: a lot of countries don't have the natural resources that
Speaker 2: we have. Japan has to import almost all of its
Speaker 2: raw materials and energy. But American we're blessed with this.
Speaker 2: Why on earth would we take one of our biggest
Speaker 2: markers off the table.
Speaker 1: That is a legitimate question, And the only thing that
Speaker 1: I've been able to conclude over the years, Brigan, is
Speaker 1: that there are you know, these the globalist mentality forces
Speaker 1: out there. Those that wish to control us, generally speaking,
Speaker 1: see us as the outlier. We're the big wart, We're
Speaker 1: the ones that stick out. And why do we stick out?
Speaker 1: Because freedom, independence, capitalism, and an abundance of energy has
Speaker 1: built an economy that nobody in the world can compete with.
Speaker 1: And because of that, they want to take all our
Speaker 1: money and redistribute it. They want to kneecappus. They want
Speaker 1: us to commit this suicide in the name of global
Speaker 1: climate change or something, so we flatten out our economy
Speaker 1: so the rest of the world can. Well, we can
Speaker 1: join the rest of the world and be equally poor.
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds conspiratorial, but that's the only conclusion
Speaker 1: that can be left with Brigham.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're onto something because another part of
Speaker 2: President Trump's pillars and re establishing our economy, He's not
Speaker 2: opposed to trade. People are freaking out all over the
Speaker 2: place right now, right this is his opening move. This
Speaker 2: is fantastic. He's not opposed to trade. He wants fair trade,
Speaker 2: not free trade. And a lot of the trade deals
Speaker 2: we've made the Parish climate change, this all goes in
Speaker 2: the same bucket of giving away our stuff to other people,
Speaker 2: and you cannot save, cut, conserve your way to prosperity.
Speaker 2: That's not how it works. And I think he gets well,
Speaker 2: I know he gets that, and his new administration gets that,
Speaker 2: and hence the make America great again.
Speaker 1: All right, let's pause. Well, bring Brigan mccomonb back. We
Speaker 1: got lots more to talk about from the Hudson Institute.
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Speaker 1: was bringing acown from the Hudson Institute Online Hudson dot
Speaker 1: or talking energy policy and Brigham you mentioned and moving
Speaker 1: just slightly away from and I know it's all interconnected,
Speaker 1: but going back to your statement about fair trade and
Speaker 1: the concept of fair trade, I know that's where these
Speaker 1: tariffs come in because it is literally impossible to have
Speaker 1: fair trade with a country like China. They don't have OSHA,
Speaker 1: they don't have a regulatory scheme, they don't have an
Speaker 1: environmental protection agency, they don't give a crap about anything
Speaker 1: at all. They also have slave labor. So how is
Speaker 1: it you could ever achieve quote unquote fair trade with
Speaker 1: a country that has such a substantial advantage in terms
Speaker 1: of manufacturing at a discount compared to what our companies
Speaker 1: here have to deal with under our regulatory environment. Hut Brigham.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's a great point, and it's
Speaker 2: actually very difficult. And you may remember back some years
Speaker 2: ago when we let China into d G seven and
Speaker 2: into the World Trade Organization. The wto the thought was, gosh,
Speaker 2: if we traded, we'd all become friends. You guys wouldn't
Speaker 2: be communists any longer. You would support freedom. We'll all
Speaker 2: get along.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: One of President Trump's current advisors, Robert Leiitthheiser, who was
Speaker 2: the US Trade rep said that is a mistake. And
Speaker 2: everybody said, oh, you don't know what you're talking about. Well,
Speaker 2: he was right. It is difficult because every single company
Speaker 2: in China is owned by the Communist Party of China. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is no free market. And Brian and I know
Speaker 2: you know this, some of your listeners may not. They
Speaker 2: all have to swear allegiance to the state and that
Speaker 2: they will do everything possible to put the state first,
Speaker 2: including espion, spying, stealing of intellectual property, all of that.
Speaker 2: And unless and until America can restore deterrence, military deterrence
Speaker 2: with Taiwan, economic deterrence, energy deterrence, that's how you get
Speaker 2: these people to understand you. You don't deal with a
Speaker 2: playground bully by ignoring them, right, you have to stand
Speaker 2: up to them. And that's if we have not been
Speaker 2: doing that. And fast fact, China now emits more carbon.
Speaker 2: If you're keeping track of carbon and greenhouse gases, then
Speaker 2: the rest of the industrial world combined. We can all
Speaker 2: hold our breaths and it wouldn't make a darn bit
Speaker 2: of difference, even if you felt it would.
Speaker 1: Well, again, another illustration of the stupidity of trying to
Speaker 1: control the emissions, at least in terms of naturally occurring
Speaker 1: emissions like carbon dioxide. I mean, you can keep you know,
Speaker 1: benzene out of the air. You can take lead out
Speaker 1: of gasoline and keep that from out of the air
Speaker 1: and still have an efficient internal combustion engine. So there
Speaker 1: are technological advances we can make to keep toxic chemicals out.
Speaker 1: But carbon dioxide isn't toxic. It's planted food. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and I going back to your point on the economic
Speaker 1: realities of China. They didn't play along. I think that
Speaker 1: was Nixon's idea of opening up free trade with China. Well,
Speaker 1: if we just trade with them, they're enemies of the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union. But looking at the Soviet Union and our
Speaker 1: policies toward them and all the other Western nations, nobody
Speaker 1: traded with them. They were isolated, and they fell apart
Speaker 1: and collapsed economically for a multitude of reasons, but most
Speaker 1: notably because we wouldn't engage in commerce and industry with them.
Speaker 1: We choked them off. And if the rest of the
Speaker 1: world decided to choke off the Chinese and they wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to build their military industrial complex.
Speaker 2: You're exactly right. And I think you'll also see, speaking
Speaker 2: of speaking of sanctions, a return to maximum pressure on Iran,
Speaker 2: because the last four years have not been good. We've
Speaker 2: given them billions of dollars and they have sowed hate
Speaker 2: and discontent all throughout the Middle East. But real quickly,
Speaker 2: we talk about a lot of these energy pieces. Just
Speaker 2: uploaded a new version of Charged Conversation speaking of Higheart
Speaker 2: Radio where you can find it there or any other
Speaker 2: place you find your podcast, where we talk about some
Speaker 2: of the background and some of the political philosophy that
Speaker 2: has gotten into this this climate debate, and it's really
Speaker 2: not about climate debate, as you've pointed out, it's anti
Speaker 2: capitalism and a lot of people are starting to wake
Speaker 2: up and realize they've been lied to so point in
Speaker 2: fact that you just mentioned in our atmosphere, seventy eight
Speaker 2: percent of our atmosphere is nitrogen, about twenty one percent
Speaker 2: is oxygen, one percent's argone gas. That's the stuff that
Speaker 2: goes in neon lights. It's also harmless all that it
Speaker 2: is an oxygen displacement that machines. When we get down
Speaker 2: to it, we have for one hundreds of one percent
Speaker 2: of our atmosphere is carbon.
Speaker 1: Dioxide, plant food, plant.
Speaker 2: Food less than four to one hundreds of one percent,
Speaker 2: and as best as we can tell, humans are responsible
Speaker 2: for sixteen I'm reading this right, how many decimal places
Speaker 2: is for tens hundreds thousand, ten thousands, sixteen to ten
Speaker 2: thousandths of one percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a thing. It's nothing. It's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: And you know what, really really, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: use the words pisses me off, recognizing that some people's
Speaker 1: sensitivities may be bothered by that, but at that level
Speaker 1: that I'm uttering it out loud. I was reading about
Speaker 1: the so called Inflation Reduction Act, which was really the
Speaker 1: Green New Deal project, and all of the programs and
Speaker 1: incentives and millions and billions of dollars that are going
Speaker 1: to various states for the purposes of carbon capture, and
Speaker 1: to see Republican Administration officials in those dollar receiving states
Speaker 1: fight to keep things like carbon capture just because it
Speaker 1: benefits their bottom line. There reveals the reality and the
Speaker 1: nefarious nature of all of this. It's really just a
Speaker 1: it's wealth redistribution by another name, and it flows into
Speaker 1: the coffers of administrations, regardless of political stripes. And once
Speaker 1: they get hooked on the opium that that is, they
Speaker 1: won't let it go to our detriment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are. The government is creating a false economy
Speaker 2: that is not based on products or services that people
Speaker 2: want to purchase, and that can only be sustained so
Speaker 2: long as you have these tax breaks or tax credits
Speaker 2: or other pieces. And I think getting back to President
Speaker 2: Trump on his all the above strategy, which is actually
Speaker 2: something both parties used to embrace. Yep, you want to
Speaker 2: buy an EV, great, buy a EV, but I'm not
Speaker 2: going to make you buy one. You want solar panels
Speaker 2: on your roof, perfect, you know, you want nuclear fantastic.
Speaker 2: We're gonna need it all, and we're going to need
Speaker 2: it where it makes the most amount of sense. And
Speaker 2: the things that are economically viable are going to survive.
Speaker 2: Your Elon Musk knows about. You build stuff that people want.
Speaker 2: You can have the greatest idea in the world, but
Speaker 2: nobody's going to pay you for it. Only the government
Speaker 2: creates an industry that doesn't exist.
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Speaker 1: Bring them until we get to talk again. If we
Speaker 1: don't talk before Christmas, So if you have wonderful holidays
Speaker 1: and merry Christmas and of course a happy New Year.
Speaker 1: But I will welcome the opportunity to have you back
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian, same to you and yours.
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