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<v Speaker 1>Part of gold just doesn't feel like the right song

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<v Speaker 1>for our next guest.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>Andy's got a hard of gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think Andy has a heart of gold? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Larson, Salt Lake Tribune, Andy accurate statement, heart of gold?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you concur I come on.

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<v Speaker 4>The show every week the kind out of the kindness

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<v Speaker 4>of my heart, even helping you out tomorrow, and I

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<v Speaker 4>get this from you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that's fair, Irish sin Andy, you have a heart

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<v Speaker 1>of gold. The guilt trip worked? My friend Happy Thursday?

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>I was good before then, I'm but yeah, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 4>How about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Come on?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that I'm teasing you. It's a little good

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<v Speaker 1>fun banter back and forth. Uh do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>start with your anger at the lack of additions made

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<v Speaker 1>by our local soccer club?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what's sure? Why not?

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<v Speaker 5>Look you can't it's just a It's terrible what.

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<v Speaker 4>You've done to the fan base, to Diego Loon, to

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<v Speaker 4>Mecca and Nelly, to the other good players on this roster,

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<v Speaker 4>to only have one designated player on it. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>you learned about Chico Arongo's misdiscretions ten months ago. Now

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<v Speaker 4>you sold Gomez for eleven million dollars eight months ago,

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<v Speaker 4>now to only sign.

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<v Speaker 5>Willie Gotta, who I like as an addition actually, but

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<v Speaker 5>for five hundred thousand dollars, not a designated player. Oh

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<v Speaker 5>and by the way, you're actually only designated player on

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<v Speaker 5>the roster. Isn't actually even very good at the MLS level.

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<v Speaker 4>In the year that you've made the Concacash Champions League

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<v Speaker 4>for the first time in a decade. Is dis horrible.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's it's horrible. I think David Blitter should

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<v Speaker 4>be a villain in local fans' mind. I'm disappointed in

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<v Speaker 4>the Miller group for getting nothing done. I'm disappointed in

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<v Speaker 4>the Miller group for not trying to get more done

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<v Speaker 4>over the last month and months plus since it's been

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<v Speaker 4>clear that they're going to buy the team. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>just you know, I just feel really bad for the

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<v Speaker 4>Diego Lunas and the Meccanelli's and the other players, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>even Pablo masseronnies of the world, because they have not

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<v Speaker 4>been supported with adequate talent on this roster to really compete.

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<v Speaker 1>Williegata known around here as Willy Goles. He's the addition,

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, much about him, But what does that do

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<v Speaker 1>for you?

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly? Like, you know, for a cheap signing, I think

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<v Speaker 4>it is a really good cheap signing. I guess, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a trade but whatever, you know, five hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 4>a game plus maybe three hundred and fifty thousand next year.

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<v Speaker 4>If he sticks a round and has always had really

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<v Speaker 4>good like kind of underlying numbers right where, gets himself

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<v Speaker 4>in really good positions and as a result has a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of straws and chances on goal, has been kind

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<v Speaker 4>of up and down at finishing them, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>which is what ends up happening. Answer if you look

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<v Speaker 4>at kind of stock Aroundalytic's OK in the long term,

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<v Speaker 4>is that those kind of even out. So it's a

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<v Speaker 4>player is kind of bad at finishing you're on his career.

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<v Speaker 4>You may see that as a sign of potential because

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<v Speaker 4>they usually do figure that out and start to finish

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<v Speaker 4>at kind of the league average or above rate, or

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<v Speaker 4>you know, kind of try to find some consistency. And

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, I think given that, I think Williagotta

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<v Speaker 4>is a significant upgrade over every striker that RSL has

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<v Speaker 4>right now and be a nice addition for the team

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<v Speaker 4>that you know will make them better. It's just not

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he's not one of the fifteen best strikers

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<v Speaker 4>in MLS right now. So as a result, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you just don't have the kind of attacking talent that

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<v Speaker 4>the actual teams of the top two, including some small

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<v Speaker 4>market franchises by the way, like Columbus and Cincinnati and Nashville,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, teams that are the same size as

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<v Speaker 4>Salt Lake as a market, are going after significantly better

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<v Speaker 4>players than RSL is right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're able to get Johnny Russell across the line. What

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<v Speaker 2>does that do for you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's thirty five and was kind of washed for

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<v Speaker 4>a really bad Kansas City team. He might be better

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<v Speaker 4>than time Wolf though, So hey, you know, I you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't hate it. It gives you another depth option,

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<v Speaker 4>but and this team really does lack depth right now.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's it doesn't change the upside of the team

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<v Speaker 4>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it feel like one more thing here, because I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Ck about this yesterday, does it feel like

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<v Speaker 1>this is now potentially a lost season for RSL?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, look, the summer transfer window is with eight

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<v Speaker 4>games left in the season, so you can miss the

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<v Speaker 4>playoffs based on what happens over the next you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the first twenty five games of the year. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it, there's absolutely that potential. And you look

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<v Speaker 4>at what's happened in the last few games, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know what happened last week in losing that game, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I know it's it was bad red card, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I am very angry at the referee. But like in

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<v Speaker 4>the end, just rfl lack of attacking quality showed again

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<v Speaker 4>and as it has time and time again early on

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<v Speaker 4>in the season. It's just such a waste of opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>for this team to be cheaped out on as much

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<v Speaker 4>as they have been over the last ten months.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it I actually wanted to ask you one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any sort of space to allow a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of I guess I'll say, grace. It sounds really

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<v Speaker 1>cheesy as a result to what happened with the Bosanique deal,

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<v Speaker 1>because apparently Robert Bosanik from Boa Vista was done and

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<v Speaker 1>then I didn't know any of this, but boa Vista

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like doing business with your second cousin. It probably

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<v Speaker 1>is not up to business acumen as far as the

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<v Speaker 1>way that they operate. I don't know much about this,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was set to be the second DP and

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<v Speaker 1>then apparently this Portuguese club caused issues.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your take on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, first of all, I mean I did not love

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<v Speaker 4>that as a DP Senning just because his record in

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<v Speaker 4>Portsbowl this year has not been very good, right Like,

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<v Speaker 4>he scored four goals in twenty nine games. That's not great.

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<v Speaker 4>It certainly did have a better season the season prior though,

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<v Speaker 4>and of course aren't no perfect players, but look, it

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<v Speaker 4>sounds like the reason that it didn't go to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>because Boavis to ask for more and kept kind of

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<v Speaker 4>changing the terms of the negotiation. And I totally get that.

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<v Speaker 4>So a, you know, do something before the season so

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<v Speaker 4>that you don't have to wait ten games into the year.

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<v Speaker 4>The second, most importantly, it was still going to be

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<v Speaker 4>a relatively cheap DP, right like, this was going to

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<v Speaker 4>be a designated player that RSL could buy down with

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<v Speaker 4>TAM and open up a DP spot for somebody else

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<v Speaker 4>later on down the road. Well, I think that's like

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<v Speaker 4>the right thing to do. It ultimately, is not the

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<v Speaker 4>designated player of the of the quality of a Chicho

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<v Speaker 4>Aroango or carlosandrascom As kind of a like for like replacement.

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<v Speaker 4>You're talking about a tammable DP that you know, again

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<v Speaker 4>you can buy down. It's just not the same level

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<v Speaker 4>of player that RSL sold in the last ten months.

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<v Speaker 4>So yes, that would have been you know, look, I

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<v Speaker 4>understand and you're were negotiating with a weird club it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't pay money, and was desperate and was uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know it was problematic. I get it. There are

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<v Speaker 4>just it's even in ambition, it just wasn't up to

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<v Speaker 4>par with what you lost earlier on in the year.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that is fair and I share in your disappointments.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I guess we'll see what Pablo can do

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<v Speaker 1>with the cast of characters that he has.

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<v Speaker 2>It is disposal.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's move on now and do a little NBA

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<v Speaker 1>so Andy, after it was pretty clear that Oklahoma City

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<v Speaker 1>was the class of the West, I would ask you

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<v Speaker 1>and my other NBA guests, who are the other teams

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<v Speaker 1>that we should be paying attention to? Who keeps smart dagnal?

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<v Speaker 1>The up at night is does anybody have a chance?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, did we overthink this is Oklahoma City just

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<v Speaker 4>I think some people did overthink that, Like I certainly

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<v Speaker 4>saw them as the Western Conference favorites. And when you

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<v Speaker 4>win a conference by that many games and show, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>have the best point differential of any team in the

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<v Speaker 4>last few years, like, yeah, I think you have to

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<v Speaker 4>be considered the favorites. And I think they are considered

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<v Speaker 4>the favorites and have shown it's certainly in the first

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<v Speaker 4>two games that they're just capable of blowing out teams.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think like it's a done deal yet, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that it's totally possible that like a Lakers

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<v Speaker 4>give them problems Denver even Minnesota, like, but I do

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<v Speaker 4>think that ultimately, like this is, you know, the thunder

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<v Speaker 4>should be considered the favorites, and rightfully so it's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of funny, like I understand why the NBA is putting

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<v Speaker 4>them on national TV tonight and putting the Nuggets and

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<v Speaker 4>Clippers on NBA TV. You know, you want to market

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<v Speaker 4>the team that's going to be in the finals down

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<v Speaker 4>the road, so you get great finals ratings. But I

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<v Speaker 4>totally expect them to beat the Grizzlies by you know,

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<v Speaker 4>double digits tonight and it should be a really, really

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<v Speaker 4>great game. I'll get the Clippers one. Why, I you know,

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<v Speaker 4>probably rather watch instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird jazz related question to this, I mean, and look,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Pressy might be the best of what he does

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, and maybe he's been the best of

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<v Speaker 1>what he does for quite some time. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>oftentimes you'll hear jazz fans, as you know, talk about, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakers got Luca, they're gonna be great again, the

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<v Speaker 1>Celtics or this the heat or that or whatever. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there any sort of positive spin that we can put

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that Sam Presty has built a juggernaut

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<v Speaker 1>in a city like Oklahoma City juxtaposed to what the

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<v Speaker 1>Jazz are trying to do in a city like Salt Lake.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I mean, I think it's clear that the draft

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<v Speaker 4>is a really incredibly viable way to build teams, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you need a free agent superstar. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think you need to like win. I obviously they

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<v Speaker 4>got say in a trade, but I think you've got

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<v Speaker 4>him earlier enough in his career that it was just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a flyer on a on a rookie with potential.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, look, I think it's totally possible. And you

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<v Speaker 4>look at Denver winning the title and kind of look

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<v Speaker 4>at it in the same way and what Cleveland's done

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<v Speaker 4>up there right, like small markets to a reasonable degree,

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<v Speaker 4>are are the best teams in the NBA this season.

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<v Speaker 4>And so yeah, I think you can have total optimism that,

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<v Speaker 4>like you know that the Jazz's past could work. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that there is a ceiling on the Jazz's

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<v Speaker 4>path at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Outline a blueprint for the Jazz to follow over the

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<v Speaker 1>next whatever timeframe you want to before you believe that

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<v Speaker 1>they can be competing. Because here's the thing, man, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching these games, and obviously, for what you and

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<v Speaker 1>I do for a living, I always try to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it back to some sort of local prism. And the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of the matter is this is not breaking news

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not one Cooper flag away.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not one or two pieces away.

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<v Speaker 1>What does the path back to legitimate consistent competitiveness in

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean they are eight out of ten players away,

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<v Speaker 4>They are four out of five of a starting lineup away.

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<v Speaker 4>They are as far away as it can be. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>they are the worst team in the NBA. I think

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately you look at the path and it's, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that are are Cooper Flag and Dylan Harper. And then

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<v Speaker 4>if if that does work out, then you probably still

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<v Speaker 4>or someone like that. I mean, you're looking at you

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<v Speaker 4>the league, right, like to actually win an NBA title,

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<v Speaker 4>And and you know, certainly the Jazz had that five

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<v Speaker 4>years ago. We're the number one team, didn't make it

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<v Speaker 4>blah blah blah. But nevertheless, like you just need that

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<v Speaker 4>out to be good roles, I think it's very hard

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<v Speaker 4>to believe that they become kind of the star level

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<v Speaker 4>players that actually drive the drive the boat a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I mean you're you're talking multiple drafts, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you're also talking time for those guys to develop,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of wreck ignizing that like, hey, you know, say

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<v Speaker 4>Gildeth Alexander wasn't an MVP level candidate on day one,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and neither it is Cooper flag to be.

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<v Speaker 4>It took him three, four or five years. It's going

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<v Speaker 4>to tick Cooper that amount of time. It's probably gonna

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<v Speaker 4>take a to the bouncer whoever that amount of time.

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<v Speaker 4>So really you're looking at a window you hope three four, five,

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's hone in on Well, we'll just stick

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<v Speaker 1>optimistic and positive that the Jazz don't fall further than two. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pistons, who are back in the postseason and an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting case study, but they have Kate, and Kate is

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<v Speaker 1>really really special. They were the worst team in the

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<v Speaker 1>league last year. They had the best chance in the

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<v Speaker 1>number one pick and they fell to five. Now that's

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<v Speaker 1>the Jazz floor. They can't fall past five. Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask you for Jazz fans that are really curious

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<v Speaker 1>is there one comp for Cooper that you like more

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<v Speaker 1>than the rest, Like, if it is Cooper Flagg, what

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<v Speaker 1>sort of players should Jazz fans expect.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't hate the Kawhi comp kind of a like

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<v Speaker 6>poor man's peak Kawhi if you will, where like, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't expect him to be that difference making on offense

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<v Speaker 6>or defense, But I kind of expect him to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Such a good all around player that you know, he's

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<v Speaker 4>a no doubt or star, no doubt or all star

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<v Speaker 4>every year, you know, kind of maybe in like the

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<v Speaker 4>Paul George realm of impact. You know, just can do

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<v Speaker 4>rim this year, got better getting fal this year, and

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<v Speaker 4>then was one of the youngest players in college basketball

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<v Speaker 4>this year as well, and may have been its best

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<v Speaker 4>he is absolutely the real deal. I think you can

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<v Speaker 4>maybe question, like, hey, you know, does he have number one,

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<v Speaker 4>of potential, But heck, I wouldn't have thought that about

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<v Speaker 4>Shake Gildess, Alexander or Nikola Yochis certainly when they were

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<v Speaker 4>at Cooper's rate of development in his career and kind

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<v Speaker 4>of his work ethic and whateveryone says about him as

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<v Speaker 4>real plus is like this kid could be really, really great.

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<v Speaker 4>I think kind of no doubter is as a franchise

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<v Speaker 4>piece at franchise superstar. You know, kind of moving forward

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move over to Dylan Dylan Harper, who

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<v Speaker 1>at the start of the year it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation, well, it was a conversation about whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not this draft was the Cooper Flag draft, and it

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<v Speaker 1>clearly is. And now it feels like Dylan has moved

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<v Speaker 1>into the consensus number two. Just kind of same question

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<v Speaker 1>for jazz fans, aren't familiar? Is there a comp out there?

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<v Speaker 6>You like?

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<v Speaker 2>What sort of player is he?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I kind of a James Harden isn't the right comp?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you may want to even go further back

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<v Speaker 4>but you're you're looking at like a six five, really

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<v Speaker 4>talented scoring guard who also makes all the right decisions

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<v Speaker 4>on offense. Kind of the most eye popping part of

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<v Speaker 4>his statistical profile is how he finishes at the rim,

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<v Speaker 4>where he I believe he was seventy seventy two percent

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<v Speaker 4>last year on and on shot that the rim, like

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<v Speaker 4>layups like that is incredibly elite for college competition, would

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<v Speaker 4>be incredibly elite in the NBA. Just finishes so well

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<v Speaker 4>around the around the basket, but has the other parts

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<v Speaker 4>of the game too, you know, can shoot from the

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<v Speaker 4>outside again, can pass, can defend well? Is is you know,

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<v Speaker 4>there aren't a lot of weaknesses. You know, maybe isn't

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<v Speaker 4>you know he's He's not you know, Michael Jordan, Anthony Edwards,

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<v Speaker 4>so on and so forth, but he's he's a really

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<v Speaker 4>good smart player. So I think, yeah, probably has kind

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<v Speaker 4>of again that same kind of level of all star upside,

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<v Speaker 4>with maybe less of a higher stealing than Cooper Flag does,

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<v Speaker 4>just with the size limitations and you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 4>output production that he showed in his freshman year wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>where Cooper was at an older age too, But is

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<v Speaker 4>just looks like a really good player, and even his floor,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, is kind of a no doubt starter in

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Andy, you truly have a heart of gold

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<v Speaker 1>for our listeners that will be tuned in tomorrow for

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<v Speaker 1>four hours in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you care to give us a little tease.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've got fellow Beat writer Sarah's Todd joining us,

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<v Speaker 4>so we'll talk some jazz and NBA too. That's always fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah and I always after we finished writing at the

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<v Speaker 4>end of jazz games end up talking for like half

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<v Speaker 4>hour to an hour just in the jazz's media room

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<v Speaker 4>about what's going on. So we may do a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of that on on the air tomorrow. We've got

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<v Speaker 4>Zach Harper as well. Used to host a radio show

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<v Speaker 4>with him here in Salt Lake on this very radio station,

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<v Speaker 4>so that'll be a cool reunion. Also, we've got Paul

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<v Speaker 4>Pugmyer golf wise, and I believe we got one other

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<v Speaker 4>special extra guest that I'm not announcing yet because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think we've booked him yet. But uh well, we'll

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<v Speaker 4>have a lot of fun tomorrow and I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, my friend, not just for filling in tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>but for stopping by and dealing with a little banter

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth. So have a great show tomorrow. We

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<v Speaker 1>got to get out and swing your golf club soon. Okay, thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>n Larson will be on the program with that guy,

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<v Speaker 1>order Larson. Is he leaving a guest out that you

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<v Speaker 1>like to throw out there today?

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle van Noy? What oh? Here we go again? This

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<v Speaker 2>was fences out of town?

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<v Speaker 1>Is Eric Weddell Hockey written Covey stopping by tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go again.

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<v Speaker 3>You just spoke for twenty minutes to the number one

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<v Speaker 3>running back in program history.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I realized you booked Zach today to

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<v Speaker 1>ease the news that you're bringing van Ney on tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm out of town.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually, just to be clear, didn't even book Kyle

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<v Speaker 3>van Noy. Are our sales guy. Austin Rich did for

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<v Speaker 1>So you know what, I will be okay because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to Black Desert to play in Kyle's golf tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>Here you can interview Kyle. I'm gonna play in his

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<v Speaker 2>golf turn.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're gonna set you up with Patrick Manning to

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<v Speaker 3>get your tea times yeah, otherwise, yeah, we please send

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<v Speaker 3>me a cell phone number whenever.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you, I can connect you so tomorrow Porter

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<v Speaker 2>Larson and Andy Larson.

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<v Speaker 3>Larson and Larson.

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't that dawn on me until just now? That's

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<v Speaker 2>really weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Funny thing is we have very old like Mormon ancestry

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<v Speaker 3>back to Central Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>Not related, very interesting. I think if you have LDS lineage,

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<v Speaker 2>you just keep going back.

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<v Speaker 3>At some point you're related, which, coincidentally, I asked John

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<v Speaker 3>distant cousins at all. We're actually fairly closely related.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that sounds about right. So Porter and Andy

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow