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<v Speaker 1>We welcome, welcome, everyone to the second episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Breakthrough Lab. I am your host, Giovanni Ramirez, and remember

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<v Speaker 1>your next breakthrough starts here. So second episode. So many

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<v Speaker 1>things to make this show happen here in our Stanford studio,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can even tell you how much pain I

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<v Speaker 1>put my good friend here for run A Nod, my

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<v Speaker 1>special guest today to try to get this going. There

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<v Speaker 1>are cameras everywhere, and guess what, we only got one

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<v Speaker 1>of them to work, So it's been it's been an ordeal.

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<v Speaker 1>But here we got one camera, really nice equipment to

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<v Speaker 1>bring you guys a great show today, and it's my

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure and I'm absolutely honored to interview you today, Varon

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so apologies for everything I've put you through

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<v Speaker 1>here for the next for the last forty minutes or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Geo, First of all, I really had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>that this was this was your second episode because you

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<v Speaker 2>made so much mistakes, man, I mean so many mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>But the poor the first one, whosoever was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that's what happens when you try to get

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<v Speaker 1>really good equipment and you don't have the time to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it all out. And but life is about taking

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<v Speaker 1>action right and you got to get things done. And

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<v Speaker 1>so again I'm just honored to have you here as

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine for so many years now, like

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<v Speaker 1>watching you grow, watching you grow your business and really

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<v Speaker 1>taking action on a lot of stuff and giving some

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<v Speaker 1>really good advice. So yeah, introduce yourself for the audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Jim So, Hello everyone. My name is Vern I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the founder and CEO of eero HubSpot EEO Upspot is

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<v Speaker 2>a training platform which deals with the certification programs like PMP,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of the most popular Project Management Professional

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<v Speaker 2>certification given by PMI. And this is just one certification,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are multiple more certifications which we deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And so I've had the pleasure of just

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<v Speaker 1>witness you figure out, put business plans together, see what works,

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<v Speaker 1>what doesn't work, pivot learn What do you think is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things as of late that you've been

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<v Speaker 1>able to put into your business that's really made a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>I think hustling, if you ask me personally, hustling is

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<v Speaker 2>something you should always do and like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people will say that, you know you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. You need to have the right strategy I

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<v Speaker 2>don't agree with that. No, you do the things, you

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<v Speaker 2>learn from your mistakes, and once you learn, you you

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<v Speaker 2>will figure it out. Right, we figured out the equipments

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<v Speaker 2>were not working and it's coming out absolutely beautiful. So

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<v Speaker 2>just learn it your way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I have to tell you, like, like I

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<v Speaker 1>sweat the details a lot in Varon is here saying

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<v Speaker 1>let's just get it done.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's one thing I love about Varon is like

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<v Speaker 1>just seeing him take action, experiment if it's not working,

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<v Speaker 1>pivot in, pivoting to something that is working. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's it's You're a great example of what taking

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<v Speaker 1>action actually does in someone's life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, correct action is I feel like, you know, taking act.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people just make plans and like whosover

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<v Speaker 2>is listening? This question is for you. Are you the

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<v Speaker 2>one who is just making plans or are you the

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<v Speaker 2>one who is actually executing it? Also? And Geoe, honestly speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at you right now, I'm really proud of you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there are times when you are just planning and you're

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<v Speaker 2>not executing, but there is a time now where you

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<v Speaker 2>are executing. Things are better. And you were actually telling

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<v Speaker 2>me that you know, I feel so great that you

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm doing all the things. So these are good

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<v Speaker 2>steps personally speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so I know that your background, your dad,

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<v Speaker 1>he's an educator, right, correct, And so you grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in a household with a father who's an educator. How

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<v Speaker 1>was that for you? And do you think it inspired

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<v Speaker 1>you to take on this challenge to make an educational platform.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? So. My dad is a retired mathematics professor. So

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<v Speaker 2>I still remember, you know, he used to like call everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>all the neighboring kids will come to our house and

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<v Speaker 2>he will be the one who will teach maths, mathematics

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<v Speaker 2>to them. And right from my childhood, he always used

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<v Speaker 2>to say this thing to me, what on if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get better at something, start teaching others. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is what was engrossed in my life, that if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to get better at something, just start teaching others.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I actually opened made a new education platform. Now, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You you were teaching project management at certain universities here

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<v Speaker 1>in the States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so, I actually taught for University of Maryland, Baltimore

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<v Speaker 2>County Training Centers. I was with them, and I actually

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<v Speaker 2>taught for you know, Yukon also the Stamford location where

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<v Speaker 2>I was teaching. I think it was risk management Associate professor.

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<v Speaker 2>So I I've done a couple of gigs with the

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<v Speaker 2>universities as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, how does your fa your father feel? I've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to meet your dad. He's such a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>man and we got along right away. I started calling

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<v Speaker 1>him dad right away. And how do you think your

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<v Speaker 1>dad feels seeing you create this educational platform and how

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<v Speaker 1>many people you've impacted along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think this question is more for my dad,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will I'll give this answer. So my dad

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<v Speaker 2>went through a heart surgery, a pretty big heart surgery

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<v Speaker 2>back in India. And my sister, she's also an educator

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<v Speaker 2>like myself. And I heard him saying to the nurse that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, both my kids are educators. They teach people,

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<v Speaker 2>they make an impact in people's like life. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was such a beautiful feeling when I heard my dad

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<v Speaker 2>saying that out loud, proud to everyone that hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, that's what my kids do. I was feeling

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<v Speaker 2>very blessed to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's beautiful too, especially when you see your dad

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<v Speaker 1>in this medical emergency. Correct, and the one thing he's

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about is like, hey, I gotta brag about my kids. Yeah, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>that's beautiful. So here we are. It's twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>and this year is already flying by. So quickly tell

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<v Speaker 1>me how has been the journey from thinking about making

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<v Speaker 1>an educational platform to following through and that whole trajectory

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<v Speaker 1>to where you find yourself today.

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<v Speaker 2>So I still remember when I actually started this. It

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<v Speaker 2>was back in twenty twelve or thirteen. Like I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>set up the company name. I used to go to

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<v Speaker 2>people's houses and you know, I'll sit at the dinner table,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes in the study table, like you know, teach people.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time. And last year I had a one

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<v Speaker 2>on one meeting with not one on one. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, meeting with the CEO of PMI. PMIS Institute,

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<v Speaker 2>so we teach PMP Project Management Professional Certification and it

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<v Speaker 2>is actually done by an organization PMI. So I was

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with the CEO of PMI talking about what next

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<v Speaker 2>steps which we can do it together for the project

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<v Speaker 2>management community all over the world at a global level.

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<v Speaker 2>It was such a you know, like a feeling of proud. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that you know you have come a long way. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you ask me what is that one reason which contributes?

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<v Speaker 2>I would always say that there's never one reason. There

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<v Speaker 2>are ten thousand reasons. You make ten thousand mistakes, you

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<v Speaker 2>learn from it. But one thing which always remains is

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<v Speaker 2>never give up. Keep on doing it. If it's not working,

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<v Speaker 2>do something in the till the time you figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>You will figure it out. Trust me on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, never giving up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of that caricature of a guy digging

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<v Speaker 1>for diamonds in the cave and he quits right before

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to strike a diamond. Right beautiful. And so

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<v Speaker 1>now having your educational platform for project management, right you,

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite things to do is log into

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<v Speaker 1>LinkedIn and see all these beautiful testimonials. Right, how many

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<v Speaker 1>individuals have you been able to impact and help them

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<v Speaker 1>pass these exams?

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<v Speaker 2>I've lost the count.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's a great problem to have.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, or YouTube has around close to three

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<v Speaker 2>point five million views.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now LinkedIn has closed to around fifty thousand followers Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>We have just started out. You know, when I started

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you how many people, but it's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>definitely six figure at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. Nice, that's a beautiful number. Like one day we

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<v Speaker 1>wish we can figure out how many people we can

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<v Speaker 1>impact and lose count. Right, Yeah, So and then what

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<v Speaker 1>inspires you? You know, when when varun feels a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit tired or like something's challenging you, where do you

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<v Speaker 1>draw your inspiration from?

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, when I'm down, I'm actually down, So

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<v Speaker 2>I would continue, like I'll give up on some time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll watch a TV or something. But when

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you know, you read an email from a student

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<v Speaker 2>whom you have actually made an impact. You read the

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<v Speaker 2>personal story, like someone sharing with you that, hey, Ron,

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<v Speaker 2>I was going through a tough time. I was laid

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<v Speaker 2>off and you know now because I did PMP, I

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<v Speaker 2>got a job and it was just because of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have you know, I've reached where I am.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, those kind of things inspires motivates me to

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<v Speaker 2>just keep on going. Sometimes I feel that is this

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<v Speaker 2>the life I want to do? Because I'm working like

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen hours, you know, fourteen hours, you know, it's like typically,

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<v Speaker 2>but then when you read you know, testimonials emails like these,

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<v Speaker 2>that you're making a real impact in people's life. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. Yeah as a coach, just hearing the

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<v Speaker 1>feedback and knowing that you made a big difference, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you put on at the next level or youre advanced

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<v Speaker 1>them or you've been able to have a breakthrough. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do agree with you that those those touch points

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<v Speaker 1>are so impactful and push you for that drive. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anyone that you look forward to, you look

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<v Speaker 1>up to? Is there a person that you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>like they've achieved this sort of success, like and you

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<v Speaker 1>also draw inspiration from them. Any mentors?

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, definitely I have a couple of mentors I

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<v Speaker 2>would not deny that. I'll first of all start with

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<v Speaker 2>my dad. My Papa has always been my biggest mentor,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, whom like I always look up to the

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<v Speaker 2>hard work, the effort which he has put into And now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you ask me, hole, throughout the life, I have

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<v Speaker 2>series of mentors for different things. Do you, honestly speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>you are one of my mentors as well? Because like,

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<v Speaker 2>see again I'm not making this up just because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you. Yeah, but I'll give you the specific

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<v Speaker 2>reason of why it is like that. Personally speaking, when

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<v Speaker 2>I look at people, I'm very selective of the people

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<v Speaker 2>I hang out with. And we all say this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you should not judge, and you should not judge. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a very typical statement. Still you always judge. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>typical human psychology. And I judge. I'm not denying that.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I judge, I look at you, someone who

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<v Speaker 2>is without any personal selfishness or motivation. You are just

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<v Speaker 2>keep on helping others, going out of the way to

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<v Speaker 2>that selflessness feeling from you. That's one from my official aspect. JJ.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the persons who has always motivated me

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<v Speaker 2>if I always look for entrepreneur you know, like guidance

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<v Speaker 2>she shares secrets, you know, things which we should do

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<v Speaker 2>it together. I think overall, it's all about the people

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. It's so interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we're good friends and we have some deep talks.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so interesting to see that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>the people that are around us the most. Right. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>Most people say, oh, there's this famous person or this

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and thank you. I had no idea I was

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<v Speaker 1>one of your mentors. Yeah. Same here for me, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you always give me new insights, insights that I love

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<v Speaker 1>to get from you. And maybe you can give the

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<v Speaker 1>audience because you have really been leveraging technology and technological

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<v Speaker 1>platforms that have helped your business, how do you figure

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<v Speaker 2>So if you ask me personally, there are multiple Like

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<v Speaker 2>there was a time when you know, I used to

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<v Speaker 2>do YouTube, YouTube, was the most popular platform at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>and that has. If you ask me how where I

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<v Speaker 2>Then after post that, the visibility of YouTube actually decreased,

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<v Speaker 2>and then in, you know, LinkedIn came into the picture.

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<v Speaker 2>LinkedIn I became very active on and now I'm hearing

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<v Speaker 2>Still I'm not even to figure out how insta works,

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<v Speaker 2>but slowly and gradually I started to work on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the one lesson out of this is

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<v Speaker 2>What really matters is that you have to keep upskilling yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't do it, you will fall behind. Simple Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And each platform had his nuances, and I think so again,

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<v Speaker 1>I love. My favorite thing that I do is to

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<v Speaker 1>go on LinkedIn and see like you grow in your audience,

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<v Speaker 1>you grow on your platform, and so on LinkedIn. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen you you get relatively a great amount of success,

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<v Speaker 1>like you get around twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's close to fifty thousand. Yeah. And so having

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<v Speaker 1>a nice audience like that and seeing all the people

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite thing to do on LinkedIn. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>why not? Right because, but I love the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>in other platforms you get to see the people and

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<v Speaker 1>their colorful personalities as well. So it'd be nice to see,

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<v Speaker 1>like as you try to figure out the different platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>like what kind of content you'll create to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hit your niche in Instagram or Facebook and everything else

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<v Speaker 1>that exists. Right now, every other day, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a new platform. Correct, correct, So let's move on

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<v Speaker 1>to your background. Right, So there's Varun the businessman, There's

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<v Speaker 1>Varun the family man. But how was Varun growing up?

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<v Speaker 1>How was So there's probably a lot of colorful stories

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<v Speaker 1>there from you can tell from the smile that comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>But tell me a couple of month milestone things that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when you were young that kind of shaped

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<v Speaker 2>The milestone, I mean the younger generation Waron and the

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<v Speaker 2>Baron now is completely different personality, completely different personality I was.

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<v Speaker 2>If you asked me, how were you in studies? I

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<v Speaker 2>was never the topper. I was. I wouldn't say I

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<v Speaker 2>was the backbencher also, but I was typically on the

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<v Speaker 2>notorious side. I won't call myself like, but I was. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's that's one thing from from the studies

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<v Speaker 2>going on. I used to fight also, you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>would be fights, you know, friends and all, not just

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<v Speaker 2>friends like other people. Also, I have done all those

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<v Speaker 2>things as well. I'm not proud of those, but still

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<v Speaker 2>I mind studying it. Yeah, part of your story, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's part of my story, right. So the things, the

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<v Speaker 2>milestones which I have learned I would honestly speaking, when

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<v Speaker 2>I started working. I've worked with some of the very

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<v Speaker 2>good managers. I have some with some bad managers. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I've learned from them is is this the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of manager? Or is this the kind of person

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to be? And I have drawn more

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<v Speaker 2>of a feedback from people like these that Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the person I would never like to be, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the person this is how I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to manage. So milestones as such have have I know,

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<v Speaker 2>milestone is something which is significant. But like for me,

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<v Speaker 2>milestone was when I get married and I started my

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<v Speaker 2>own company, when my kid was born. You know, COVID started,

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<v Speaker 2>many changes. Yeah, and so that has been typically the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So an adventurous varone as a young child

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<v Speaker 1>and now you know, taking that energy or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little bit that fighting energy to make your

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I do find that people that that achieved

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<v Speaker 1>a relative amount of success, there were definitely outsider sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>in some way, somehow they were able to channel that

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<v Speaker 1>energy into creating something that's lasting. Right, correct, is there

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<v Speaker 1>now we talked about I know that you were a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If I used to play cricket, I was a

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<v Speaker 2>I was. It was popular, but my university never used

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<v Speaker 2>to play cricket that much. That was it, that was

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<v Speaker 2>not the sport for them, so kind of I ignored it.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I came back to States here in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>that is when I started playing cricket again. The local

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that I was not the best. I had

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<v Speaker 2>so many better than me. But some of my best

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<v Speaker 2>friendships came from cricket in States at least, I can,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, probably say that some of my some of

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<v Speaker 2>really love them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's so amazing how we can be so good

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<v Speaker 1>and great at you know, in a certain sector or

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like, how am I the best here? And

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe the second worst in this level? Exactly exactly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, yeah, And I can only imagine because you know, rugby,

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<v Speaker 1>cut that up please? So in cricket, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that popular in the States here, but I think recently,

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<v Speaker 1>you were they held one of the biggest tournaments here

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<v Speaker 1>in the States, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, So basically what happened was last year the

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<v Speaker 2>Caribbean Islands because in West Indies it's cricket is a

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<v Speaker 2>very popular sport. So there was a World Cup Cricket

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<v Speaker 2>game which happened in New York and the biggest rivalry

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<v Speaker 2>India versus Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I went there to watch that game and it was

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, wow, amazing to think that you were so good

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<v Speaker 1>at the sport. And I've heard some of the stories

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<v Speaker 1>some may not be said on this on this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but to hear that and to hear that you've been

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<v Speaker 1>able to grow to the World Cup first time in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, yes, first time in US, amazing. The energy

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't even ask. So let's let's go into

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<v Speaker 1>a the educational platform. Right, So, lots of changes are

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<v Speaker 1>happening in the workforce, lots of programs. Where would you

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to start all over like today, how

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<v Speaker 1>would you get into a good project management role?

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<v Speaker 2>How would you get into a good project management role. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So project management is typically for people who have a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of experience of managing projects. So someone who

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<v Speaker 2>project manager role immediately because that's more for a mid

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<v Speaker 2>level career to senior leadership position. That's where you see.

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<v Speaker 2>So I always say that if you want to move

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<v Speaker 2>into project management, if you like managing projects, then you

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<v Speaker 2>should start with CAPM certification. That's CAPEM Certified Associate Project Management.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like the junior version of p MP, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the most popular one, and that could help you to

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<v Speaker 2>put your foot into the door of project management world.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is when you can actually start working as

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<v Speaker 2>project coordinators assistant project managers, and then eventually it will

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<v Speaker 2>managing multimillion dollar projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that, if you're a recent grad if

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<v Speaker 1>it's prudent to get certified immediately or should you work

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<v Speaker 1>in the should you be in the workforce for one too,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a couple of years and then get certified as

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<v Speaker 1>as a way to advancer or do you get a

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<v Speaker 1>certificate almostly immediately or as part of your graduation.

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<v Speaker 2>So, so GEO This is a conflict of interest question

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<v Speaker 2>for me because I sell those courses, so I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of I'll be a little very sure,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll be a little bit biased, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>this answer, but I'll give you logical reasoning of why

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<v Speaker 2>we should do what I'm always a strong believer of upskilling.

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<v Speaker 2>I personally do that on myself, irrespective whether i'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just starting it out or not. It's always good

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<v Speaker 2>to get these certifications right in the beginning itself because

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<v Speaker 2>you get to understand the lexicon, the term logy which

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<v Speaker 2>is used in the project management world, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>a good starting point. And when you are actually managing

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<v Speaker 2>projects and you are certified, you know the language which

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<v Speaker 2>is going around you. So it makes more sense to

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<v Speaker 2>I have realized is once you get busy, you have

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<v Speaker 2>family life, you have one thousand more things in your life,

424
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<v Speaker 2>then it becomes so much tough to do these certifications.

425
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<v Speaker 2>But when you're fresh out of the college, you still

426
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<v Speaker 2>have that learning environment zone, you know the thought process,

427
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<v Speaker 2>so it becomes a little bit much easier to do

428
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<v Speaker 2>those certifications at that time.

429
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<v Speaker 1>So I'm one hundred percent agree with you, And it's

430
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<v Speaker 1>okay if you're biased, because I agree with you and

431
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not biased. So as a career coach, I did say,

432
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<v Speaker 1>you know, get certifications, just add them to your resume.

433
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<v Speaker 1>It adds extra color, extra depth, and so, hey, you're biased,

434
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not and I agree with you. So I think

435
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<v Speaker 1>we're on the same page here. So now one of

436
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<v Speaker 1>the things you've been recently doing is you know, past

437
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<v Speaker 1>the exam without reading a book. Is that the correct?

438
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<v Speaker 1>Did I get the advertising correct?

439
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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

440
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<v Speaker 1>Like, how did you come up with that? And what

441
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<v Speaker 1>was it that that made you say, okay this, this

442
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<v Speaker 1>would be a good way to get people excited about

443
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<v Speaker 1>our program here.

444
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<v Speaker 2>So see, every person's learning style is different, right. There

445
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<v Speaker 2>are people who like to read books, and there is

446
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<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong in that, right, But there are people like

447
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<v Speaker 2>myself who are not just about books, who are more

448
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<v Speaker 2>about the practical experience, the case studies, because that is

449
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<v Speaker 2>how I tend to learn more. So my thought process

450
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<v Speaker 2>was that if I can teach you something with a

451
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<v Speaker 2>storytelling approach, make some kind of stories projects, because we

452
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<v Speaker 2>are human beings we love stories, right, so true, so

453
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<v Speaker 2>teach them how you would actually manage a project how

454
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<v Speaker 2>in the form of storytelling and honestly speaking, whatever is

455
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<v Speaker 2>in the book you can teach in the form of

456
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<v Speaker 2>stories and it will work out pretty well.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I really love that approach because stories just they

458
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<v Speaker 1>stick with you right correctly. Yeah, there's that emotional component

459
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<v Speaker 1>of tying emotions plus the lesson, and when you can

460
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<v Speaker 1>tie emotions in the lessons, I think you retain the

461
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<v Speaker 1>information that much more. So is there a good example

462
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<v Speaker 1>that you can think of? And if it's like a

463
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<v Speaker 1>little too hard on the moment, it's okay, you can

464
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<v Speaker 1>pass this question. But is there a good example where

465
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<v Speaker 1>there's a particular story that you can tell to teach

466
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<v Speaker 1>one of the lessons in project management?

467
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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Absolutely, So I'm telling you that I don't know

468
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<v Speaker 2>these questions. So it's everything is so. I remember one

469
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<v Speaker 2>of one time one of my students he called me

470
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<v Speaker 2>after like three years uh and said that, hey, everone,

471
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<v Speaker 2>what's going on? You know? Things going well? Oh, I

472
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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to let you know that, you know, I

473
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<v Speaker 2>still remember your story of how how we we we

474
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<v Speaker 2>went to buy a car. So when when we go

475
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<v Speaker 2>and buy a car. Buying a car is like a project,

476
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 2>like for example, if I need a four wheel drive,

477
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<v Speaker 2>I need to spend X amount of dollars. If I

478
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 2>do a two wheel drive, it's by amount of dollars. Right.

479
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 2>If you take some matt finish or anything, then that's

480
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<v Speaker 2>what the cost is. What if if you put something

481
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<v Speaker 2>on these steering wheels, if you do, you know, put

482
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<v Speaker 2>some fancy system music systems into that, then that's cost. Right.

483
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.920
<v Speaker 2>So ultimately that's a project. So he told me that

484
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.519
<v Speaker 2>we're on I still remember that story. Wow, that how

485
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 2>you taught me the project management where we are actually

486
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 2>going ahead and buying a car, and how it turned

487
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<v Speaker 2>out like this would be the cost and it will

488
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<v Speaker 2>take me X number of days for me to get

489
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.400
<v Speaker 2>it manufactured or something like that. I still remember it

490
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and I still use in my you know, day to

491
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<v Speaker 2>day project. So he was from the automobile sector, and

492
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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wow, sometimes I'll tell you one more.

493
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, no, bring it down, bring it down. I

494
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<v Speaker 2>still remember one more time I was telling a dish.

495
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<v Speaker 2>I was making a chicken curry for dinner. Yeah, And

496
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<v Speaker 2>when I'm recording videos, when I'm explaining the course, whatever

497
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>goes around me, I start taking those examples and start

498
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 2>teaching that. So one time my student called me up

499
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know, she said this to me that we're on.

500
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<v Speaker 2>Oh I still remember your chicken curry story, how you

501
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<v Speaker 2>were making the chicken And I said, Okay, did I

502
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<v Speaker 2>say something like that. I didn't even remember it. Yeah.

503
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's what was most recent in your memory,

504
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 1>and that you were able to tie that story to

505
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.480
<v Speaker 1>your lesson amazing, amazing work, and so I agree with you. Wow,

506
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>storytelling is such a great way to teach individuals and

507
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<v Speaker 1>to retain more information as well. So here we are

508
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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty five technological shifts. I feel like every

509
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>day I open up, like you know, my web browser

510
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.359
<v Speaker 1>and there's a new technology, a quantum chip from Microsoft

511
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>an AI that works better than chat GBT. So much

512
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.319
<v Speaker 1>going on as a project manager is there are there

513
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<v Speaker 1>any tools out there that that you think are really

514
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<v Speaker 1>changing changing the game when it comes to like managing

515
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<v Speaker 1>projects for organizations.

516
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<v Speaker 2>So there are many tools as such. What I would

517
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<v Speaker 2>say is that what is happening, and it's not just

518
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<v Speaker 2>with project management, I'll talk about in general to the

519
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<v Speaker 2>entire industry space. So what is happening is let's talk

520
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<v Speaker 2>about CANVA, right one of the most popular tool for

521
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 2>graphic designing and right, So what they are doing is

522
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<v Speaker 2>Canva has introduced the AI element into this tool. So

523
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<v Speaker 2>all these big companies, whether it is project management related

524
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 2>softwares or is it anything in general, they are introducing

525
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>AI into it. Now, let's talk about Google. Google is

526
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a product. Right. If you go and you do a search,

527
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>now every time you will see that on the top,

528
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<v Speaker 2>you will see the result, which is an AI generated result.

529
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<v Speaker 2>So that's what is happening in this world. We need

530
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<v Speaker 2>to embrace AI. Please don't feel that, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>too complicated. It's to think of it like a time

532
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<v Speaker 2>when how the email was first discovered. Like most I'm

533
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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure that people when email was discovered, most of

534
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<v Speaker 2>the people would say, well it's so weird, it's right,

535
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<v Speaker 2>you know who who does this?

536
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:01.839
<v Speaker 1>And write like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that maybe the feeling this is the time

538
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<v Speaker 2>here AI is it? Please? Please please go out learn

539
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.319
<v Speaker 2>as much as you can. Your time will be saved,

540
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>and trust me, you will be one step ahead of them.

541
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like like you said, upskilling and just like being

542
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>aware of the of not just trends, but like shifts. Right,

543
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Gott technologlogical shifts, and I think that you'll be put

544
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 1>in the right you'll be set in the right direction,

545
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and you'll go with the river. If you if you

546
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>swim against the river, you're gonna last two minutes. So, uh,

547
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 1>we've got we're thinking about, like how can someone really

548
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 1>succeed as a project manager this in this day and age. Right,

549
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.519
<v Speaker 1>you may not know this, but actually I was pretty

550
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>much like two courses away from being like project management certified. Yeah,

551
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 1>when I was when I graduated college, I took like

552
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 1>a like a little understudy in project management. And I

553
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:09.799
<v Speaker 1>remember I had a really attractive school teacher and what's

554
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 1>funny that she gave the an award to the wrong student.

555
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 1>It was supposed to be me. And at the end

556
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>she said, I made a mistake. I'm sorry, I forgot

557
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:23.160
<v Speaker 1>your name. I was like, oh man, but yeah, like

558
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 1>I really got to learn about gant charts and at

559
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<v Speaker 1>that time, it was MS project correct like the big

560
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<v Speaker 1>driver of project management. So is there a particular software

561
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<v Speaker 1>that you would recommend or it could be a sweet

562
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<v Speaker 1>could be the top two or three that someone really

563
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>get to know and become an expert in to really

564
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>crush it. In their field.

565
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<v Speaker 2>So MS Project, the name that you have said, is

566
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<v Speaker 2>one of the most popular project management scheduling software. If

567
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 2>you want to create project plans, then MS project is

568
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>something which is widely used on the most popular. In fact,

569
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<v Speaker 2>we have a course on that as well.

570
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<v Speaker 1>So the link just kidding, there's no like.

571
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<v Speaker 2>So that is one of the most popular one. But

572
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>then there are other software is like Monday dot Com.

573
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.559
<v Speaker 2>You'll see a lot of advertisement of Monday dot Com.

574
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I see it a lot because.

575
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm into this, but you see Monday dot com.

576
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's another very famous. Then Jira is another

577
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.960
<v Speaker 2>very famous, uh project management tool. I would say the

578
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 2>one right now. I think Gira is the most popular

579
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<v Speaker 2>project management software.

580
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I've been working a lot with tech individuals

581
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to get jobs and Gira spelled j I r A right, Yep,

582
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that's correct. I see it a lot on the resumes

583
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>right now. And it's more much more a two of

584
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>for like for project management in the tech field, right

585
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 1>to manage tech tech projects.

586
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I see, it's not necessarily tech projects. Jira can be

587
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<v Speaker 2>used in any industry space because ultimately, whatever industry you

588
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.640
<v Speaker 2>are in, you are managing a project. If you are

589
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.119
<v Speaker 2>managing a project, you need a software which can help

590
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 2>you to better manage the project. So Gira can be

591
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>used anywhere. But yes, you are right. It's very popularly

592
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>used in the tech industry because I think they were

593
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>the one who actually created this tool.

594
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<v Speaker 1>That's why got it, got it. Yeah, I remember Mondays

595
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 1>dot Com was a guy who was like very unhappy

596
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>with like whatever was out there, and he said, I'm

597
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>going to make my own project like management sweep for myself.

598
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 1>And then they were like, hey, this could be used

599
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>by other people, and then investors came and Monday dot

600
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Com was born. I did, I did create a Monday

601
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>dot com account and I like it. Sorry now so

602
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:47.039
<v Speaker 1>so Emma's project by Monday dot Com. Jira good tools

603
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.159
<v Speaker 1>to get to know and to to really crush it.

604
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<v Speaker 1>As a project manager. What is the best mindset or

605
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>to have as a project manager to really make sure

606
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>projects are on time, that you're delegating correctly or checking

607
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>in with the teams and incentivizing them around the goal

608
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>of getting this project done to finish.

609
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>So I think the best I would I always believe

610
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<v Speaker 2>in communication. For me, open and honest communication is always

611
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<v Speaker 2>the best way to go. What happens is when you

612
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:30.760
<v Speaker 2>deal with customers, we are typically not open with them,

613
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<v Speaker 2>Like if I'm making a mistake or if I made

614
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a mistake, I will most likely not go to the

615
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>customer and don't communicate that to the customer because I

616
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 2>think I can fix it or I can hide it.

617
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<v Speaker 2>And what typically happens is that in a longer run,

618
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<v Speaker 2>that small mistake may backfire. You may become a big mistake,

619
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<v Speaker 2>or you may just you know, don't fall into the crap.

620
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<v Speaker 2>Also that can also happen. But again the point is

621
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<v Speaker 2>be open, be honest, communicate in the end, whether it's

622
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<v Speaker 2>your customer, whether it is you, whether it's your boss

623
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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. People do understand, so you need to be

624
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 2>the better judge that the other person will understand this

625
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.840
<v Speaker 2>or not. And if you think the other person will understand,

626
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:18.679
<v Speaker 2>be open, honest and communicate. Yeah.

627
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<v Speaker 1>I love that, pure honest communication wins it all right, absolutely, Yeah,

628
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<v Speaker 1>And putting everything on the table because I think you know,

629
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<v Speaker 1>when you don't communicate, so many pitfalls are there to understand,

630
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<v Speaker 1>like if someone is struggling, or if there's an opportunity

631
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<v Speaker 1>like something that will cause a failure it could be

632
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<v Speaker 1>caught like in advance. Yeah, I agree with you. Great

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<v Speaker 1>communication is the key, guys. So here's the key with

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<v Speaker 1>varun here. So what are some of the pitfalls that

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<v Speaker 1>can happen to a project manager that could potentially derail

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<v Speaker 1>their career or maybe they don't answers quickly? What are

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<v Speaker 1>things they can avoid so that they can be a

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<v Speaker 1>better project manager at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>See again, it's I like to give answers, not specifically

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<v Speaker 2>on project management, but in a general generic sense because

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<v Speaker 2>if let's say, and right now, it's not a good

642
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<v Speaker 2>time going on, a lot of layoffs are happening, and

643
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<v Speaker 2>some things are not in your hand right and you

644
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<v Speaker 2>being a career coach, I don't think so nobody, like

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<v Speaker 2>anybody knows more than you on this aspect. When we

646
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<v Speaker 2>do something, when we are working, I know my salary

647
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<v Speaker 2>is coming, everything is good, I become lazy. I feel

648
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<v Speaker 2>like you know, I'm satisfied. I don't need to upskill myself.

649
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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with things. And when the layoffs happen, they

650
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<v Speaker 2>don't see whether you are a good performer or you

651
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<v Speaker 2>are the best performer. They just layoff departments. So true

652
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<v Speaker 2>at that time, you're just a headcount for them. Yeah,

653
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<v Speaker 2>and when something like this happens, then they suddenly start thinking, oh,

654
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<v Speaker 2>I should have done this certification, I should have upscinn

655
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<v Speaker 2>issue you know here, Okay, but now you need to

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<v Speaker 2>get a job also at the same time because the

657
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<v Speaker 2>paycheck which you were expecting is not coming. So when

658
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<v Speaker 2>the time is right, upskill continue to grow because you

659
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<v Speaker 2>never know things may change at any time.

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<v Speaker 1>So got it? Got it? So I guess the pitfall

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<v Speaker 1>is never stop learning, never stop or the pitfall is

662
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<v Speaker 1>like if you stop learning really right, So never stop learning.

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<v Speaker 1>Always develop, find out what's trending or what's the shift

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<v Speaker 1>in your industry, and if it's project management, what are

665
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<v Speaker 1>the new tools, what's getting outdated, and and follow that,

666
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<v Speaker 1>get and become an expert. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a really good insight. I love upskilling too.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that we should get a T shirt up

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<v Speaker 1>skilled today. We need some merch here, right, ver will

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<v Speaker 1>get some MERCHERI for your for your platform there, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go to Uh. I want to dig a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit deeper to what would you say if so, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you could give me some insights like how uh what's

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<v Speaker 1>the average that someone takes the the Project Management A

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<v Speaker 1>certification exam before they actually actually pass it? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>statistics out there for that? Like, you know, is it

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<v Speaker 1>like an average to two times and one and a

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<v Speaker 1>half as an average? Is there is there statistics out

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<v Speaker 1>there tracking how many times it takes someone to actually

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<v Speaker 1>pass that exam?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Again, it depends from where you are taking the training.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, unbiased answer, wink wink. But let's say someone who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get the training next to me, So.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a again, I don't have a specific statistics as well,

686
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<v Speaker 2>like how many people pass the certification in their first attempt?

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like if you have the right resources

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<v Speaker 2>with you, you can definitely pass the exam and first

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<v Speaker 2>attempt itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. I love that. I love that. And so what

691
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<v Speaker 1>is one thing that like that your students said, Hey,

692
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<v Speaker 1>I struggled before, I didn't pass it, and then I

693
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<v Speaker 1>got your program and it made all the difference. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>is it just as storytelling or is there a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit extra that you're doing that you feel definitely pushes

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<v Speaker 1>them to really succeed at the exam.

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<v Speaker 2>So storytelling is there are multiple things a world. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just one thing which I would say, like, for example,

699
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<v Speaker 2>let's say you know that this is something good for

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<v Speaker 2>you and you want to do it, right, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>the first aspect that I want to do it. I'll

702
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<v Speaker 2>put all the hard work. I'm all energized, I'm you know,

703
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<v Speaker 2>I have the momentum, I have the motivation, will start something.

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<v Speaker 2>Then what happens you start doing it? If the content

705
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<v Speaker 2>is boring, you probably give up in one week. You

706
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<v Speaker 2>probably give up in right, So then the next thing

707
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<v Speaker 2>comes into picture is whatever you're learning, the way you

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<v Speaker 2>are learning, that should be which you are comfortable. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Now I have the right content, I start working towards it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then life happens. Something came up in the office,

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<v Speaker 2>something came up in your family time, right, and then

712
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<v Speaker 2>you give up. Once you give up, then it becomes so.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard to restart.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Think of it like a gym. Right. I always

715
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<v Speaker 2>say this, I'll start from Monday, but that Monday never comes.

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<v Speaker 2>And when that Monday comes, then on the weekend, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>eating something again which I should not be eating because

718
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<v Speaker 2>Friday comes every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if we have a sweet sieve of you and

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely so.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the thing is if something like this happens, that

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<v Speaker 2>you start and you give up, then what is the

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<v Speaker 2>next thing? What can you make sure that people don't

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<v Speaker 2>give up? Because if people give up, I'm at loss.

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<v Speaker 2>And why I'm at loss is because if they will

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<v Speaker 2>not pass the exam, they will not go ahead and

727
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<v Speaker 2>they will not recommend me more. If they don't recommend me,

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<v Speaker 2>I will not get more people, more students, more business.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the problem statement which was defined in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind, and that is when I came with that

731
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<v Speaker 2>magic bullet. And that magic bullet was steady plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I did I introduce. I made sure that

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<v Speaker 2>every student of mine has a mentor with them, a

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<v Speaker 2>mentor assigned who is telling them that this is your

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<v Speaker 2>homework number one, this is your deadline, and in this deadline,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to do these four things.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, So you built an accountability system correct within your program.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're not just getting a set of courses, You're

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<v Speaker 1>getting a mentor along the way that's giving you a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of that pressure correct to make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>complete the lesson plan or the task or the homework.

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<v Speaker 1>And that hand holding does go along.

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<v Speaker 2>With exactly, and that is when people don't give up

745
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<v Speaker 2>because they start thinking that, you know what the stranger

746
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<v Speaker 2>is thinking about me, who's asking me to do the

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<v Speaker 2>things for my own career.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's that amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can't I study for it? I love that, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's when it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>See for me, this is beautiful because you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about business so much and we have so much

753
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<v Speaker 1>on our plate, but I didn't know that facet of

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<v Speaker 1>your business and I'm just fascinating and I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love discovering that you created this program that has

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<v Speaker 1>mentorship along the way. And kudos to you because I

757
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<v Speaker 1>couldn't even imagine a program that wouldn't have something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, congratulations. I think that definitely makes a big difference.

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<v Speaker 1>So we talked about what I heard from you create

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<v Speaker 1>engagement engaging lesson plans that address different learning styles from

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<v Speaker 1>visual learners, auditory learners, and then people that do like

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<v Speaker 1>to do the data and love to read. Right, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>you you cover the trifecta and then mentorship in the storytelling,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got a really amazing program that helps people

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<v Speaker 1>get from point A to point B as quickly as

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<v Speaker 1>possible without reading a book a book, just reading a

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<v Speaker 1>few chapters here and there. No amazing, I really really

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<v Speaker 1>love that. Yeah, it sounds sounds cool. So so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get even I want to drill even further

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<v Speaker 1>because this sounds so neat. So this explains why I

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<v Speaker 1>see so many amazing testimonials on LinkedIn for sure. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's someone that other than project management, is there

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that or any other program that you would say

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<v Speaker 1>could advance someone even beyond that can help their career advance? Forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Any other certifications out there or or fields a study

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<v Speaker 1>that they can say, you know, pair up project management

777
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<v Speaker 1>with this and it will definitely help your career advance.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a journey. Like the people who start with

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<v Speaker 2>the like who are more fresh out of the college,

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<v Speaker 2>more of a junior role, I tell them to start

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<v Speaker 2>with the CAPM Certified Associate Project Management for mid level.

782
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<v Speaker 2>I ask them to do a PMP Project Management Professional,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the most popular one. More than one million

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<v Speaker 2>people are PMP certified all over the world. US is

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<v Speaker 2>number one in this list. And then after PMP people

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<v Speaker 2>ask me what's next? Then I tell them to go

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<v Speaker 2>into program management PGMP, which is not just managing one project.

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<v Speaker 2>You are managing multiple projects in a program, and then

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<v Speaker 2>from there you go to PFMP, which is Portfolio Management Professional,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like you're managing the complete portfolio. So there

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<v Speaker 2>is a journey based on where you are in your career.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. And by the way, I'm learning stuff here

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<v Speaker 1>because I've heard about three of those certifications. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know about the high level ones at all. Yeah, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in the high level when you're managing multiple projects,

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<v Speaker 1>that also you need the skills to manage multiple project managers,

797
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<v Speaker 1>getting in project manager assistance and all that. Wow. Incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what kind of field of study would benefit from that?

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<v Speaker 1>The higher programs, Like would you say like civil civil

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<v Speaker 1>engineering or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Field of study civil engineering construction? If you ask me,

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<v Speaker 2>is you know their projects are like multi like billions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, building a damn right, there's like multiple like there's

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<v Speaker 1>the plumbing that and then the cement and then like

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure right.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, yeah, correct, correct. So that's just one. I mean like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you ask me PFMP Portfolio Management Professional, there are

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<v Speaker 2>around eight hundred pfmps all over the world, only.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight hundred, eight hundred, only eight hundred. Wow, I'm one

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Woh, okay, so seven nine eight.

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<v Speaker 2>So the thing is that and I'm not from civil Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I was from it background, information technology. That was my forte.

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<v Speaker 2>So it really doesn't matter which industry type you are

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on. It can be anything because whatever you do,

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<v Speaker 2>you have projects, you have programs, you have portfolios to manage.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing, amazing. So we get the full trifecta at every level, entry,

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<v Speaker 1>mid level, and then would you say a senior level,

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<v Speaker 1>is there anything for like to get into the C suite,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like completely you know, the upper echelons of

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<v Speaker 1>the corporate ladder, so c suite.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't say there is any certification like this to

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<v Speaker 2>be into c suite. I have never seen that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that may be a good idea to come up with something.

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<v Speaker 1>We came up with something today. There's a sign here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is dream big.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, So yeah, and I totally believe in that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think so there's any certification for C suite.

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<v Speaker 2>C suite is something which comes with the I think

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<v Speaker 2>which comes with more with experience, the real left experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where MBAs I have seen, helps If you

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<v Speaker 2>are from an Ivy League school, from Harvard Stanford. And

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<v Speaker 2>also I have seen directly people jumping from an Harvard

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<v Speaker 2>into a C suite executive. So it really depends from

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<v Speaker 2>situation to situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing, amazing. Let's get so we're almost up to our

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<v Speaker 1>hour here and we've got about ten minutes. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>like three. Let's see if we can come up with

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<v Speaker 1>three actionable tips insights. So we name this Mastering Project

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<v Speaker 1>Management in twenty twenty five this episode, what's one particular

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<v Speaker 1>insight or trend that you're seeing that could be applied

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<v Speaker 1>to this year to help someone either really scale. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me take this back a little bit, right, So the

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<v Speaker 1>we're living in economic layoffs, we're living in a period

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<v Speaker 1>of turmoil industries or trying to figure out what the

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<v Speaker 1>economy is. The President is making a lot of moves

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<v Speaker 1>that are making the entire economy go in wild swings

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<v Speaker 1>if you read the headlines. And so, what's one insight

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<v Speaker 1>that you think, like a project manageer that's been recently

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<v Speaker 1>laid off, like, what's one way that they could differentiate

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<v Speaker 1>themselves in the market and try to create that new opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be just traditional ways of finding new opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>or is there a way that they can create their

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<v Speaker 1>own opportunity given the fact that they're recently laid off

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<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to get back into the work force.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a very good question. First of all, certifications

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<v Speaker 2>definitely help. If you have not done certifications, I would

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<v Speaker 2>definitely recommend you to work on these certifications as your

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<v Speaker 2>top priority. But the real question which you asked me

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<v Speaker 2>to you was more about how they can get back

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<v Speaker 2>into workforce. So that is something which i have learned

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<v Speaker 2>based on my experience and I've been working with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people lately who have been laid off. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a very difficult period. You know, when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to people they say they have mortgage, is school daycre

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<v Speaker 2>expenses and all. It's very painful. So what I have

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<v Speaker 2>learned working with all the people who I have been

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<v Speaker 2>able to get back into workforce, there is one common answer. Networking.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Networking is something which actually goes a long way. So

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<v Speaker 2>what I have been doing lately, and I'll tell you this,

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<v Speaker 2>so I have a fifty thousand network in on my LinkedIn.

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<v Speaker 2>So when any one of my students who reaches out

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<v Speaker 2>to me and says that hey, I have been X

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<v Speaker 2>y Z things have happened with me and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to can you help me with that? So what I

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<v Speaker 2>do is, first of all, I try to I ask

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<v Speaker 2>them that, okay, go ahead and find the positions which

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<v Speaker 2>are relevant to your profile. What you think you can

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<v Speaker 2>do once they find it out, Like for example, they

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<v Speaker 2>say that okay, Amazon is offering is looking for a

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<v Speaker 2>project manager, and this is very much similar to what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing. What I do is I try to find

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<v Speaker 2>out someone who is working in Amazon and then request

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<v Speaker 2>that person to please go ahead and refer the person

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<v Speaker 2>for that particular position. So when an internal employee refers

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<v Speaker 2>the other person, the probability of getting an interview call increases. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the problem is happening is like there are just so

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<v Speaker 2>many people out there. It's all about demand and supply

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<v Speaker 2>is less. Supplies just so much, right, So even after

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<v Speaker 2>a referral is being put, there is a high probability

892
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<v Speaker 2>that you may still not get an interview called Okay,

893
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<v Speaker 2>let's resolve that problem now. Then next problem needs to

894
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<v Speaker 2>happen is where you request the person who is referring

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<v Speaker 2>the other person to please reach out to the recruiter

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<v Speaker 2>or the hiring manager says some good things about you

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<v Speaker 2>so that the chances of you getting an interview call increases.

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<v Speaker 2>Like for example, if I send you a text and

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<v Speaker 2>I say that he gu you're working for this company

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<v Speaker 2>and this is a position which is in this company,

901
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<v Speaker 2>can you talk to the hiring manager or can you

902
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<v Speaker 2>send an email to the recruiter that to consider this profile.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say no to me? I would not say

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<v Speaker 2>not to you, And that is how maximum number of

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<v Speaker 2>people think. Ultimately, there are good people out there. So

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<v Speaker 2>I always say this that if you reach out to

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<v Speaker 2>ten people, maybe three people, four people will reply. But

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<v Speaker 2>those three four people are good people, so they will

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<v Speaker 2>go and take that extra step for you to reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to the recruiter or the hiring manager to go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and do that push. And once an email comes

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<v Speaker 2>from an internal employ to the recruiter, then it's like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of boundation for the recruiter or hiring manager to

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<v Speaker 2>reply to that person.

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<v Speaker 1>Just take priority.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is what I have been doing late. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'll pick up on one insight that you said, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's networking, but there's one more insight within that,

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<v Speaker 1>which is finding a center of influence. Yeah, so a

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<v Speaker 1>center of influence who's been able to create a network

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves. Correct And if they like you, if you

922
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 1>build a report with that person, they will then go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and do some of the legwork for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's networking plus if we dig deeper, it's creating

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<v Speaker 1>relationships with center of influences that will do some of

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<v Speaker 1>the legwork for you and get you introduced to those

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<v Speaker 1>relationships that are going to be pivotal for you to

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<v Speaker 1>get back into the workforce. Right, exactly, beautiful. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the way. I love the fact that you built this

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<v Speaker 1>network that you can leverage now and help other people

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<v Speaker 1>that have gone through your programs. So we got that

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<v Speaker 1>center of influence plus networking.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>How about someone who is a mid level professional, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and what could they do to get to that more

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<v Speaker 1>of that senior place particularly like and let me know

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<v Speaker 1>if this question makes sense, building on and using that

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<v Speaker 1>skill set as a project manager, what can they do

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<v Speaker 1>with these skills to scale up and get into those

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<v Speaker 1>senior management roles?

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<v Speaker 2>See? Getting into senior roles is it's a very tricky

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<v Speaker 2>question because a lot of other dynamics are involved. If

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<v Speaker 2>you ask me personally, politics is something which is heavily

945
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<v Speaker 2>involved in company office politics. So it's not necessary that

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<v Speaker 2>you have all the skill set and still you will

947
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<v Speaker 2>get promoted. You know, you need to have the right dynamics,

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<v Speaker 2>right relationships with people. And I always say this that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not asking you to be a boot

950
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<v Speaker 2>liquor or someone or you know, do that coaxing and stuff.

951
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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to do that. But if you are

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely doing the right things, if you are good at

953
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<v Speaker 2>what you do, but at the same time, you know

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<v Speaker 2>how to make relationships with people. One good thing about

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<v Speaker 2>I was also laid off. I would not hesitate. I

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<v Speaker 2>was laid off after eight years of working for that company.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was in the beginning. I was a very

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<v Speaker 2>good resource, you know, won the awards and stuff like that.

959
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<v Speaker 2>But still I managed to work for eight years, and

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<v Speaker 2>after a I kind of started to feel that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not giving my hundred person into this. I was being

962
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<v Speaker 2>honest to myself and I'm being honest right now. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew in my heart that I'm not giving my

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<v Speaker 2>hundred person because the situations, the things were, the way

965
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<v Speaker 2>it was going in the organization. I could sense it

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<v Speaker 2>out that you know, things are not right, the work

967
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<v Speaker 2>is getting reduced and all. There could have been two

968
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<v Speaker 2>ways I could have pivoted at that time. One I

969
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<v Speaker 2>could have taken shown more initiatives. I could have put

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<v Speaker 2>my leg into multiple things so that I show the

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<v Speaker 2>real value to people. I could have done that in

972
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<v Speaker 2>that time, but I deliberately didn't do it. The reason

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't deliberately do it because I was working on

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00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, working on idio, HubSpot, working on that stuff

975
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and all, and my company knew about it, so there

976
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 2>was no I'm not hiding it. I started putting more

977
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<v Speaker 2>focus on that. But still for eight years I've worked

978
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<v Speaker 2>for that company. I could have easily got lid off

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00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:03.159
<v Speaker 2>much prior to eight years. You know why I got

980
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:04.679
<v Speaker 2>didn't get laid off for eight years.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Relationship. There we go, just relationship, networking. I had a

983
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 2>relationship with everyone. And let me tell you, I was

984
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.800
<v Speaker 2>never a bootleger. If you ask me, I use this

985
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.199
<v Speaker 2>word bootleger, he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a bootleger. I can't even say the word I was.

987
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 2>I was never. I was never that. But I had relationships.

988
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I always used to go to personal level to people,

989
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<v Speaker 2>try to talk to them, understand what's going on at

990
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 2>their personal level, they will try to talk to me.

991
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<v Speaker 2>And that is where you build so much reper with

992
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<v Speaker 2>people that when they are at the table where they

993
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<v Speaker 2>are saying that, oh, should we let go this person

994
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<v Speaker 2>or this person? No, no, no is a nice guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah no, I agree with you there. So

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<v Speaker 1>we can take a step back. We talked about networking

997
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<v Speaker 1>center of influences. Don't forget to network within your organization, correct.

998
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<v Speaker 1>You know, sometimes we can fall into a trap of

999
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<v Speaker 1>just going to lunch by ourselves, or just eating and

1000
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<v Speaker 1>not interacting with our colleagues. And just so, I think

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<v Speaker 1>one thing to even dig deeper into what you said

1002
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<v Speaker 1>is that if you're not a charismatic individual so, which

1003
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<v Speaker 1>is like the ability to charm others, right and build

1004
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:31.480
<v Speaker 1>upon that, then then you're going to be at a loss,

1005
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.199
<v Speaker 1>right yep. And so if you have a personality type

1006
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<v Speaker 1>that's a little bit like either harsh or too tense

1007
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:43.639
<v Speaker 1>or maybe too shy, find a program that can help

1008
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.480
<v Speaker 1>you become more charismatic and so you can build relationships

1009
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<v Speaker 1>and network within your organization. Then you don't get laid off,

1010
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:56.760
<v Speaker 1>and you could make it into senior management up to politics.

1011
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Bureaucracy and all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, some people go are introvert, and so some

1013
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>people will say that, oh, I'm not a charismatic person.

1014
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<v Speaker 2>But let me tell you, even though you're not a

1015
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 2>charismatic person, you are an introvert. You can still talk

1016
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.039
<v Speaker 2>to people. So sure, right, you can still build relationships

1017
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.079
<v Speaker 2>by being an introvert also, right, Yeah, it's all about

1018
00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 2>taking those initiatives and steps which are important for your

1019
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 2>own career. You're not doing it for someone else, You're

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00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:29.360
<v Speaker 2>doing it for yourself. So take that step. Your life

1021
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:32.000
<v Speaker 2>is going to get impacted, not someone X y Z's life,

1022
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<v Speaker 2>your life, So take those steps, and you need to

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<v Speaker 2>take that ownership of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I agree with you. That is beautiful. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. So we had a lot of issues starting today.

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<v Speaker 1>There are cameras here. There are supposed to be AI

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<v Speaker 1>helping us switch cameras and making it really engaging, and

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<v Speaker 1>Varun you've been so kind and so patient with me today,

1029
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<v Speaker 1>so take your time. And he's on his phone getting

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<v Speaker 1>business done and I'm here sweating the details, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had a we had a good time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm truly truly blessed that you that you allow me

1033
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<v Speaker 1>and gave me the honor to make my second episode

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01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and they can only get better from here quality wise.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hope you next week. You know, vroon. How can

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01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:25.599
<v Speaker 1>people find you and uh particularly your platform if they're

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01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 1>they're really interested to taking project management to the next

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01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:32.599
<v Speaker 1>level or to get uh get more information to see

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<v Speaker 1>if it's something for them or someone they know in love,

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01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe refer them to your to your business.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, So my website address is www dot e d

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<v Speaker 2>U HubSpot h U B s p O T dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>So E do you HubSpot dot com. You can reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to the website, go through the stuff and there

1045
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:56.039
<v Speaker 2>is a chat option available, contact us option available. Reach

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01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:59.400
<v Speaker 2>out to people. Definitely, somebody from my team will help

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01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:02.239
<v Speaker 2>help you out. And just in case, if you would

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<v Speaker 2>like to reach out to me directly, I don't mind

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<v Speaker 2>sharing my information as well. You may I may take

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<v Speaker 2>some time to reply back the I told you the

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<v Speaker 2>fastest way, but still you can send me an email

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<v Speaker 2>at warun dot anand so it's v A r U

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<v Speaker 2>N dot A n A n d at the rate

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<v Speaker 2>edu HubSpot dot com, or just find me on LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 2>was and you'll probably find out some way related to

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<v Speaker 2>Project Man and you'll find it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, you'll see a rock star guitar, not just kidd.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you guys for tuning into the second episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the Breakthrough Lab. Remember your next Breakthrough starts here. Varon,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, you, thank appreciate you for inviting

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<v Speaker 2>me today. It was an honor and a pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate you, varun I, appreciate the audience and we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you guys next time. Take care, Thank you, goodbye. Ricaras