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Speaker 1: In the Book of Genesis, God told Rebecca of Prophecy

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that she would have not just twins, but two nations

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in her womb, and one of those twins was Esau,

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one of the most mysterious figures in the Bible. What

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was the what is the mystery behind his origin? Why

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was he Harry read? Does he have a connection to Bigfoot,

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to the nepheline? And why did God be Why did

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God feel so strongly about this man in scripture that

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he said Jacob I loved Eso, I hated. We were

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going to unravel the mysteries of Esou and even looked

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to be a profitbal text to find out if he

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had supernatural power. All tonight with our special guest Justin

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Brown on Thursday Night Theology, which starts right now.

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Speaker 2: The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out There, Oh

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Dare You? All guests only show do not reflect the

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opinions of the host. The purpose of the show is

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to have interesting conversations, stretch.

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Speaker 3: Your minds and grow, not what we want.

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Speaker 2: If you are looking for an echo chamber, hey, listen

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your discretion.

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Speaker 4: He's advised.

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Speaker 1: Did you talk about extreme?

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Speaker 3: What is happening and what is up. Hold out your glass,

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because we're about to feel.

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Speaker 5: The join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown.

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It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save,

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and innumerable treasures to hoard torches high. You know, look

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at it from a different perspective, different perspective.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are back. Hello and greetings, and happy Thursday

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to all of you. I'm your host, Ryan Peterson. Welcome

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to Thursday Night Theology, the live show that is about you.

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Of course, it's about your questions about the Bible. Whatever

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it is in scripture, in prophecy, or in the Book

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of Genesis, if it's mysterious, if it's complex, if it's

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something the Church might not touch, we want to talk

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about it right here on Thursday Night Theology. And this

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is a perfect topic for tonight from what I'm saying

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for this intro, because we're talking about a figure that

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there's a lot of questions about Esau in scripture. And

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completed the manuscript of a forthcoming book about Esau and

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the mysterious kind of supernatural history. In his life, both

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in scripture and in the apocrytal text and in Hebrew

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ancient Hebrew history. So we're going to get into all

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of that in a moment, and of course we will

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also have live Q and A and for those who

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the questions I receive on social media, in DMS, in email,

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on my website. I take two to three questions and

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Speaker 4: We also do live Q and A after each question.

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Speaker 1: But tonight we have a very special show, so we're

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gonna change up a little bit, but we still will

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do live Q and A. So if you have questions

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on any topic regarding the power normal, the supernatural, the Bible, prophecy,

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anything like that, be sure to put in the chat

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because we will we will answer some of them during

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the live Q and A sessions sections of the show tonight.

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So yes, so that is the uh the order of business.

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And for those who don't know, I am, of course

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Final Nethilene. More details on that later. But now, as

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and I'm very excited to introduce our guest tonight. You know,

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we're in first of all, for those for those who

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are regular watches, you know, I'm back for my birthday,

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to my little birthday hiatus vacation. I was out in Boulder,

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Colorado watching some football. I was watching with my brother,

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my uh and my sons watching some uh, some good

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college football kickoff in Boulder, Colorado with a coach Prime

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and the Buffs who you know, Coach Promise is.

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locker room speech is like a sermon. So it was exciting.

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and daughter came out. We had a great time hiking

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Speaker 1: I'm back, refreshed and ready to roll and answer some

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questions for you. So as we think about football season

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and everything kicking off becau. I'm a huge football fan.

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though my Jets lost last week, you know you told

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these exciting rookies, the quarterbacks and all these new players.

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gonna hear his name a lot more. He's already off

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to a great start. But I think with his upcoming book,

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Speaker 4: This fear of biblical authors.

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Speaker 1: So he is the host of the Big Bible podcast

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as well as the Prometheus Lens podcast, and as I

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The Epic of Esau. So, without further ado, I like

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to introduce again our player on the Riots, mister Justin Brown,

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Speaker 3: Hey, Ryan, thank you for having me. Thank you for

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the kind words.

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Speaker 3: I'll try my best to live up to that, but

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Speaker 4: It's all good, It's all good.

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time to come on and spend some time live for

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the Thursday Night Theology family. I believe you're making your

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first live show appearance right now.

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, I got the pre game or first

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game butterflies. As we see, I'm a pre record guy.

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Speaker 1: It's all good, No pressure, no pressure. This is a wonderful,

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loving family here. And by the way, I should also

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mentioned this is a great time of fellowship. So if

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you're new here, if you're older for season one, if

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you're season two, say hello to each other.

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Speaker 4: Share where you're from, share your own ideas, your own questions.

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Speaker 1: It's a great time to let iron shop and iron

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and get into God's work and just grow and learn

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our knowledge of our savior. Soak so Justin, so as

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the book, why don't you just tell us a little

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bit about you and also really talk about you know,

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the Big Bible podcast in Prometheus Lens.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, my name is Justin Brown. I'm just regular

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nine to five Joe like everybody else. Man. I'm from

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the hills of East Tennessee. And you know, I work,

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taxes and rents and repeat that. I grew up in

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daughters of men and making these hybrid creatures. And I

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after I got to digging in and searching, I was like,

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rough that was just right there. And I just looked

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to learn some more and just you know, expose some

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people in my area to this type of you know,

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supernatural world view to the Bible. And I reached out

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friend group or in my church group, and we had

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three guys show up and I talked about the Three

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my buddy Steve was like, justin we're talking about some

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pretty profound stuff. We should be recording this and do

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like a podcast. And I had honestly just discovered podcasting

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like at this time, and it was just beginning to

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listen to Mike Kaiser's Naked Bible. Sure, and I had

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no clue about any of this stuff, and I laughed.

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gonna be the full uh huh and uh. He stayed

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only pretty good. And that that was at the birth

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we're still doing that. But about year and a half in,

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the second show and where the Dig we just mainly

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just that whole gambit of stuff, but filter it through

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Speaker 4: Amen.

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Speaker 1: And it's amazing too. How you know, being a fellow

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happy to have you on here is because I really

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love the fact that you and Steve were so you

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the fact that

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you guys are so dedicated to really searching the scriptures

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and and it was those types of injuries are just

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down at restaurant talking about football. So so I really

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to talk about the Epic of Esa, which by the way,

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is a very great, excellent name, by the way, to

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add some more literation to that. Uh so, why don't

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you We're gonna obviously jump into it, but why don't

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you just give us, let us know like where you

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once again completely ignorant and just said yes and went

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looking for spell checks and that sort of thing. But

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talk about it on some podcasts and they were interested

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took care of, because like I said, I I don't

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know what I'm doing with that stuff, but you know,

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one way or the other, I almost get it out.

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the book itself was honestly and it's funny how everything

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dig Bible podcast and he made an offshoot comment. He's like, yeah,

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you guys live in East Tennessee. That's bigfoot country. Maybe

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I should come down and we'll go bigfoot hunting. And

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watched the Patterson Gimlin films and never really listened to

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the podcasts on it and stuff. I just knew the

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general overview, and it was just like out of nowhere.

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the head and was like Genesis twenty five, twenty five

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he saw, you know, for those that's unfamiliar, it's you know,

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it says that he come out he had covered in

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hair from head to toe like a Harry Cloak. And

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a lot like Esau. And then I had another guest

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I'm like, gosh. And then I discovered these garments that

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were interlace, and then I did. I started finding all

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these little pieces and I'm like, dude, this is an

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awesome story. But it's like spread across through the Book

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of Jasher, the Targums, the Bible and Jewish you know,

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lore and history. I was like, if I could just

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take all these little pieces and throw them together, I

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to be told. And honestly it was. I had talked

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to Bo Kennedy from The Bump podcast about doing a

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show on it, and I would love to take credit

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for the name, but that was actually Bo and he

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on it. He's like, I think you should call it

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the Epic of Esau Nice And I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great name. It's a great name. It's

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a great name. And you already got into the introduction

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that Genesis twenty five, twenty five, and so this so

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the the blessing I get when I have a co

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host is I can get now I can ask my questions,

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so things I want to talk about it, I want

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to know and and this is something like I love

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this because he saw you know. It's one of those

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stories where very similar to Genesis six, you don't really

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get the full picture in one passage, right because, like

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you said, it sprinkled throughout the Bible and even in

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other texts and so, but there are some very glaring

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details that you have to wonder something, you have to

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know something greater is at play here, right and even

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in gleaning is in Genesis by Arthur Pink on my

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Favorite Books of all Time on the Bible.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what Pink says.

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Speaker 1: There's clearly something, there's something more supernatural at play. When

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you get the introduction of Jacob and Esau so I

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just want to actually go there and go to you know,

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put the verses up and have you just kind of

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like just get your thoughts on what you think here.

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Speaker 4: And so let's just.

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Speaker 1: Go to the scriptures here and here we are in

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Genesis twenty five, and I'll read it and I'll just

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throw it to you and start in verse twenty one.

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And Isaac entreated the Lord for his wife. And of

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course this is speaking of Rebecca, because she was barren,

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and the Lord was entreated of him, and Rebecca, his wife,

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and the children struggled together within her, and of course

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this is Jacob and Esau. And she said, if it

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be so, why am i thus? Why is this happening?

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and two manner of people shall shall be separated by

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from thy bowels, and the one people shall be stronger

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than the other people, and the elder shall serve the younger.

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there were twins in her womb. And the first came

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out red all over like a hairy garment. And they

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called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out,

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and his hand took hold on Esau's heel, and his

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name was called Jacob, and Isaac was threescore years old

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when she bare them. And of course that's verses twenty

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one to twenty six in Genesis chapter twenty five. So

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just in that those five verses, there's so much at play.

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One we have a supernatural birth and then.

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Speaker 4: A prophecy given.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna start with the two nations in

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my woman, two manner of people, because that's one of

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those passages in scripture. Again, that's a very peculiar, strange statement, right,

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in scripture you're going to have two nations and two

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manner of people in your womb in these two twins.

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And so let's just take it from there. What are

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your thoughts, you know, in terms of your research about

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what was going on with Rebecca to lead God to

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make this proclamation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with me when I read that, and it's honestly

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because of people like yourself and people like Mike Kiser

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and the influences that it's had and how I think

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and how I digest you know, the word of God.

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he was like, you have to remove all of your

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modern filters and see it as the ancient people would

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have seen it, because it's written to a peculiar people.

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like number one boom, Like you said, two nations are

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in the womb, two peoples. And the first thing that

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come to my mind in the words of La Marzouli,

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everything hinges on Genesis three point fifteen, and it plainly

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says in that the first prophecy. Given that's written anyway,

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you know, I will put enmity between her seed and

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thy seed, talking about bruising the heel and crushing the head.

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says the younger will rule over the older one. The

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context of the ancient Israelite that is completely backwards, because

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it's the oldest that has the birth right, it's the

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younger that serves the older. So this was anybody reading

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that during this time that would immediately through a bunch

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of red flags and was like, no, this this ain't right.

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and that was my first instinct when I read that story.

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you have the red and the red hair. Immediately I

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think of the red haired six fingered giants, and even

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the birth when when he's born he's holding the hill

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of his brother. But it's actually a reverse from the prophecy.

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the fact again these details won't obviously the red, but

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also he's you know, this is a newborn infant that

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extraordinarily hairy, right, and so so again these these strange details,

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and I think I think that's an interesting I think

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you're you know, I think it's an interesting thesis that

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you're putting out there that's there's something to me clearly

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different about.

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Speaker 1: That I think the Bible is trying to highlight something

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about him that's very peculiar.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so I think you're onto something so.

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Speaker 1: As now there now and then even then, as you

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mentioned La Morzouli and Genesis through fifteen, even the heel right,

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because it's jacob Is is holding on to the heel

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and even that is like shades Genesis three fifteen, right

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that you know, the bruising of the heel and all

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those things, the crushing of the head, the bruising of

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the heel. So so yeah, so so take us a

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little further. You know, I know you gave a little

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you gave a little uh hints before about as easily

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gets older and the garments and uh, you know, let's

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talk about that because I find that quite fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now with the garments, well, I thought fascinating. Now do

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you want me to go to the the first mentioned

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in the garden or with with Esau.

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Speaker 4: Wherever you want to go you can start it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to go back to Genesis three fifteen,

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just for those because that's it's so important and absolutely

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for those that don't know need to know.

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Speaker 1: You can never read too much scripture on Thursday theology.

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So let's go.

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Speaker 3: So I had mentioned, you know that that prophecy and

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how I said it's a reversal. Well, you know, for

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those that are not familiar, you know, Mikeyser once again, Uh,

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the word nakash you know, can mean serpent and Hebrew,

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but can I also mean the shining one, the one

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who practices divination. So context is key, you know, it's

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what makes more sense in that situation. A talking snake,

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you know, snakes don't talk. When the snake talked to her,

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or the nakash talked to her, she wasn't afraid, she

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wasn't startled, she didn't act afraid. So she obviously knew

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this thing. She trusted this thing, and she was familiar

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with this thing. So to me, a divine being on

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the holy Mountain of God that she trusted and seen

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every day makes more sense to me. But then when

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you get the cursing, you know, that's when you get

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that verse about I will put enmity between her seed

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and thy seed. So it's saying outright that she has

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a seed and that Satan has a seed. And I

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know a lot of people when you say that or

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bring up that, their alarms go off because a lot

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of people's minds go straight to the extreme. And there

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has been people that has you know, talked about there

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was a physical sexual union between Eve and the serpents

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and even used it to push and propagate you know,

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racist you know ideology and things like that. That's not

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where I'm going with this, whether it was physical, whether

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it was spiritual, either way. I mean, the scripture says

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they had seeds and there was gonna be entity between

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them and the bruising of the hill and the crushing

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of the head. And like you had mentioned, there's something

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that the writers are trying to show us that there's

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something very drastically different about this man and his brother.

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So to me, and this is just conjecture on my part,

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but it's like if he was a serpent seed, whether

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actual or uh, what's the word I'm looking for, spiritual?

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Either way, it's like Satan stepped in and reverse tried

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to manipulate that prophecy. He's like, Okay, well I'll put

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my seed, uh and flip him around where his head

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is pushing on Jacob the chosen seed, and Jacob will

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be squeezing and trying to bruise the heel of my seed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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because again I like that you said that it could

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be physical or spiritual, because that's really I do connect

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Esau to the Neffli, but in a whole different way

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in my research. But we'll get to that later when

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we talk about him as a as an adult. But

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I think that if you look at if you look

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at Kane, right, keenan Abel. Again, we have these two brothers,

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and of course we see that in the New Testaments,

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is that Kane was all the wicked one?

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Speaker 4: Right? I don't.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I don't believe that he was a literal

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seed of Satan. He was that he was the first

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born son of Adam and Eve, And so I think

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spiritually Esau could have fallen for me, definitely into that

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same type of whether you want to call it possession, allegiance, apostasy,

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to where he could be considered like kay, I mean,

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the Bible says he was of the devil king that

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he was, but again, is it is it genetic? I

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don't believe so, but I think spiritually that that that's

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what was taking place.

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Speaker 4: And so but let's let's get into uh oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: But before I go back to Genesis to chapter twenty five,

475
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I want to did you want to talk about the

476
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garments here or do you want to just go back

477
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:46,079
to the well.

478
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Speaker 3: I was going to insert that in here too, because

479
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then you have the garments that those most people talk about,

480
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,440
the skins and a lot of people, you know, say

481
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,440
that that was a lamb and that was the first

482
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,119
sacrifice in the covering of their nakedness and stuff like that.

483
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,200
I mean that that's a doctrine of man, you know.

484
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,200
I mean, that's something that we've come up with that

485
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,599
that sounds legit, and but it's not what's in the scripture.

486
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,720
You know, it does make sense, and I believed it

487
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,079
for a long time, but that's not exactly what the

488
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,440
scripture says. But when you go into there, it says,

489
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:34,359
and this is Genesis three and verse twenty, it says, Uh,

490
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,640
the man called his wife's name Eve, because she was

491
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,759
the mother of all living and the Lord God made

492
00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:42,960
for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and

493
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:51,119
clothed them. Well, that word uh, garments and he clothed

494
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:58,000
them is for closes in Hebrew is he'll bish, so

495
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:03,400
he he'll bishes adam nakedness with a tunic in Hebrew,

496
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,200
which was Kannonit so that this phrase is most frequently

497
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,519
used in the tor to describe the clothing of the

498
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:15,960
priests of the Tabernacle, and some examples of that is

499
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,119
Exodus chapter twenty nine, Verse eight, Exodus chapter twenty eight,

500
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,160
verse thirty nine through forty. But what's important with that

501
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,279
is in describing of those garments and placing him on

502
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,160
the priests, it shows that and it even says it outright,

503
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:39,279
it was used to cover their nakedness exactly. So once

504
00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:43,319
again this law first mentioned, it's drawing you back and

505
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,519
showing you that Adam was the first priest and king

506
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,359
of all creation. And when you go into you know,

507
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,559
the the Jewish thought of the rabbis, all of them

508
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:00,920
trace three IgE back to Adam. So I mean, this

509
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:06,559
was a commonly known and commonly accepted thing. But when

510
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,680
you get to Ezekiel twenty eight, and for those that

511
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:15,119
are not familiar with that, that's it's a condemnation against

512
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,599
the King of Tire. But halfway through there it changes

513
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,319
and he's no longer talking about a physical being. He's,

514
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,079
you know, it's he's talking about the spirit pulling the

515
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:32,160
strings behind this king, in which I'm of the belief

516
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,279
and a lot of people are also that this was

517
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,920
Satan who he was talking to. And just for those unfamiliar,

518
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:40,839
I'd like to go through just some of the verses

519
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:45,240
in there to show you why I think that In

520
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,039
twenty eight, starting In thirteen, it says you were in Eden,

521
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,960
the garden of God. Now I remember he's talking to

522
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,000
the King of Tire. The King of Tyre was not

523
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:58,200
in Eden. So once you know, that's a red flag

524
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:02,200
right there. He's no longer talking to this man. But

525
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:06,279
he says, every precious stone was your covering, sorry as topad, diamond,

526
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:10,039
baryl onyx, jasper, sapphire, emerald, carbuncle, and crafted in gold,

527
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,359
was your settings and in your gravings. And on the

528
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,880
day that you were created, they were prepared for you.

529
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And it says that you were an anointed guardian cherup

530
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:24,920
and that you walked amongst the stones of fire. And

531
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then you go on to sixteen, it says, so I

532
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:32,519
cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God.

533
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,440
All this is pointing straight to Satan, in my opinion.

534
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,200
And when you go to eighteen, it even says you

535
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:50,839
profaned your sanctuaries. So here is this entity that's described perfect,

536
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,279
beautiful in all their ways, perfectly describes the ephod that

537
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,880
the priest wears. It says that he has a sanctuary,

538
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:03,200
that he profaned it, and that he was cast from

539
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,440
the mountain of God. I mean all all signs point

540
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:13,960
to Satan. So and once again this would line up

541
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,839
to the description of his name, Nakash, the Shining One.

542
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,680
If he was wearing this breastplate with all these multiple colors,

543
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,359
stones and shining gold, and he would definitely be the

544
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,319
shining One.

545
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:32,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, yeah.

546
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm of the belief that the coverings given

547
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:46,160
to Adam and Eve were the garments of Satan because

548
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,279
Satan was thrown out. He was he had a sanctuary, right,

549
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:54,960
so he was once the high priest of creation. So

550
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:59,960
once he transgressed and did what he did, his position

551
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,000
was taken away. His garments were taken away and were

552
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:08,720
given to humanity. And so if you think about that,

553
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:10,759
you know, like I said, this is conjecture. This is

554
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:13,400
something I've put together by looking at this and seeing

555
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,519
where things point. But if that does pan out, something

556
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:24,000
that was once Satan's prize possession, something that elevated him

557
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:29,039
and all his pomp, is now a constant reminder of

558
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:33,559
his shame, of his fall because humanity is now wearing it,

559
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,000
that alone would make Satan hate you.

560
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and I think also, I mean a

561
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lot of this is right.

562
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: This also goes back to I think the whole when

563
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,720
you think about Esau and Jacob, right, the older serving

564
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,519
the younger. Right, we are essentially the younger siblings of

565
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:55,759
the angelic realm.

566
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Speaker 4: And yet you know what's happening is being reversed. We

567
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,559
are taking the place of the falling angels. Right.

568
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: It's just like Israel being brought into the promise that

569
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:04,839
God said, I'm putting you in a land that you

570
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,480
that was not yours. Right, You didn't earn this land.

571
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,160
I earned it for you, into homes that aren't yours, right,

572
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,160
And so I think that that was driving Satan. Is

573
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,599
this jealousy essentially of Adam, who we know. You know,

574
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,119
it's not conjectural that he was given dominion, right, dominion

575
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:29,599
and implies authority, rank, hierarchy, rulership, and God gave him dominion.

576
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,519
So yeah, I think that goes to the heart of

577
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:36,680
the entire conflict between the fall Angelic realm in humanity, and.

578
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: It's an overarching story throughout scripture, the parable of the

579
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,680
Prodigal Son, that that's about the elder brothers. Like you mentioned,

580
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:48,200
the angelic race. That job says that we're there to

581
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:51,319
witness creation because they sang with joy at the side

582
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:58,400
of it. There are elder brothers and we got favor

583
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,799
from our heavenly father, and they were jealous, you know

584
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,920
on that parable? What is it the the younger son

585
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:09,800
squanders the inheritance and the older son never leaves, always

586
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,679
stays there, and then when he comes back, he's mad.

587
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,320
He's like, you know, you never killed a fat and

588
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,840
calf for me and through a party for me. You know,

589
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,880
I think all that. I'm not saying that that wasn't

590
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:26,199
maybe a literal thing, but there's so many deeper double

591
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,480
meanings in a lot of these stories.

592
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's amazing pictures that God gives us all throughout scriptures.

593
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So talk to me about how you.

594
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: Connect these garments to Nimrod.

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00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: M Okay, Now that's another interesting story because even how

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00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,599
you mentioned, we get these little blurbs and it's like

597
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,400
something was off, something was weird here. There has to

598
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,360
be more to this story. And even like with the

599
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,880
Book of Enoch and Genesis six, and you know, I'm

600
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,280
of the opinion it's because they didn't want to be

601
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,000
the dead horse. Whether it was very well known through

602
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:10,280
oral tradition or they had it in riding already. Either way,

603
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,960
it was something that the people were well aware of,

604
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,519
and the authors felt they didn't need to cover it

605
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:20,239
because it was already well known. But when you get

606
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,800
to Esau and Jacob, you know, and this was the

607
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,039
famous trading of the birthright.

608
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, And.

609
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: As a kid, I read that and I was like,

610
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:37,920
that makes absolutely no sense to me. You know, in

611
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,519
modern terms, your dad is a multi millionaire and you're

612
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,639
the oldest. You're next in line to receive all that money,

613
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:50,719
to be the head of the business. And one day,

614
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,039
you know, you come in and you see your younger

615
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:56,119
brother eating a bag of the Rito's and you're like, man,

616
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:59,920
I'm starving, Hey giving them bag of Doritos and he's like,

617
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,199
huh sign over the company and it's yours A sure, yeah,

618
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,800
what No, that don't make some sense. So, I mean

619
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,760
that's kind of what this was here. But when you

620
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,400
go through and you read that, man, you have to

621
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:22,800
go to extra biblical books to get that answer. And me,

622
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,079
my opinion is I will look at these extra biblical

623
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:29,800
books and eat the meat and spit out the bones,

624
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,440
compare it to scripture and see if it lines up

625
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,239
and answers questions or fills in gaps and as long

626
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,280
as it doesn't contradict scripture and ties the narratives together

627
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,800
for a flowing story. I'm okay with that and I

628
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,440
can accept that. And I know some people they just

629
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,159
you know, strictly stick to the cannon. And this is

630
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,360
not a salvation thing. This is just for people like

631
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,320
me and you Ryan. We're treasure hunters. Man. He got

632
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,480
to know, you know what I mean. So God leaves

633
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:05,880
these bread crumb trails I believe for us to find

634
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,519
because it excites us, it draws us closer to God.

635
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:12,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

636
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 3: So in that story that starts off in Genesis twenty five,

637
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,599
starts in verse twenty nine, So this is something I'm

638
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,679
sure I don't have to go through line by line

639
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:26,079
with people. They're well familiar with it. But basically it

640
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:31,239
says that he come in exhausted from the field and

641
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480
his brother was making a pot of red stew and

642
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,679
he says, give me some of that red stew. And

643
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,679
he's like, well, give me your birthright. And well, one

644
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,119
thing people look over a lot is in verse thirty one,

645
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,320
Esau says, I'm about to die of what use is

646
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,000
a birthright to me? So I mean he's literally saying

647
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,280
I'm about to die. I don't care about my birthright.

648
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:02,760
It wasn't that he's hungry, and people missed the urgency.

649
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,239
If you go to thirty three, it says then Jacob says,

650
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,360
swear to me now. You know, he says it twice.

651
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,519
You know, do this, tell me you'll do this thing.

652
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:15,119
Swear to me now. So there's some urgency there. So

653
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:18,840
it's like maybe he is on desk, door bed, you know,

654
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,000
doorstep literally. So, but when you go to the Book

655
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,400
of josh Er, that's where you get your gap feelings.

656
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,039
And here's where Nimrod comes into the picture. And when

657
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,519
I first read this, this totally just blew my mind

658
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,519
and answered so many questions I had in my head.

659
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:37,000
But in chapter twenty seven of the Book of Jasher,

660
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,559
verse one says, and he saw at that time after

661
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,920
the death of Abraham frequently went into the field to hunt,

662
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:49,360
and Nimrod, the king of Bible, the same was. Afriel

663
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,079
also frequently went with his mighty men to hunt in

664
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the field and to walk about with his men in

665
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,599
the cool of to day. And Nimrod was observing east

666
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,760
all his days. For a jealousy had formed in the

667
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,760
heart of Nimrod against Esau all of the days. And

668
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,400
on a certain day, Esau went into the field to hunt,

669
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,960
and he found Nimrod walking in the wilderness with his

670
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:13,800
two men, and all his mighty men and his people

671
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,559
were with him in the wilderness, but they removed at

672
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,679
a distance from him, and they went from him in

673
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,480
different directions to hunt. And Esau concealed himself from Nimrod,

674
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,880
and he lurked from him in the wilderness, and Nimrod

675
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,400
and his men that were with him did not know him.

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00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,519
And Nimrod and his men frequently walked about in the

677
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:35,280
field in the cool of the day and to know

678
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,320
where his men were hunting in the field. And Nimrod

679
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,400
and his two men that were with him came to

680
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,840
the place where they were when Esau started out suddenly

681
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,800
from his lurking place, drew his sword and hastened and

682
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,079
ran to Nimrod and cut off his head. And Esau

683
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,360
fought a desperate fight with the two men that were

684
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,199
with Nimrod, and when they called out to him, Esau

685
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,599
turned to him and smote them to death with his sword.

686
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,719
All the mighty men of Nimrod, who had left him

687
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,280
to go in the wilderness, heard the cry at a distance,

688
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,679
and knew the voices of the two men, so they

689
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,079
ran to know the cause of it. When they found

690
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,039
their king and the two men that were with them

691
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:18,119
lying dead in the wilderness. And when Esau saw the

692
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:20,639
mighty men of Nimrod coming at a distance, he fled

693
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:27,960
and thereby escaped. And Esau took the valuable garments of Nimrod,

694
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:34,039
which Nimrod's father had bequeathed to Nimrod, and with which

695
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,800
Nimrod prevailed over the whole land. And he ran and

696
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,679
concealed them in his house. And Esau took those garments

697
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,599
and ran into the city on the account of Nimrod's men.

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00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,079
And he came into his father's house wearied and exhausted

699
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,360
from the fight, and he was ready to die through

700
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,960
grief when he approached his brother Jacob and sat before him,

701
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,360
and he said it to his brother Jacob, behold, I

702
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,679
shall die this day, and therefore then do I want

703
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,039
the birthright. And Jacob acted wisely with Esau in this manner,

704
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,280
and Esau sold his birthright to Jacob, for it was

705
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,199
brought about by the Lord.

706
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: Interesting. So the the thesis.

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00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: Here is that Nimrod had these garments from the garden,

708
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:28,360
and they were helping him assuming supernaturally giving in power.

709
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,920
And then eventually Esau obtained them after the fight.

710
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,199
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

711
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it even says in here where it was it,

712
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,159
it says that through the garments is how he prevailed

713
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:45,000
over the land. So it attributed his grandeur to these garments.

714
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,800
And also the description of Nimrod and his men, it

715
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,239
said they were mighty men. They were gibore gibel rheim,

716
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,320
the same word used to describe the Nephelom giants exactly.

717
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, might the mighty men of old men of

718
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,159
Vernow in Genesis sixty four. And so, so this is

719
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:08,440
where something is very interesting to me right here, right

720
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,360
is in this aspect of it, because you know, I'm

721
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,639
gonna just put up here the verse here when you

722
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,760
get to the introduction of Nimrod in scripture, let's see

723
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,760
if we have it here, that's why I have it here.

724
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:32,239
Hang on, okay, So right, so cush begat Nimrod. He

725
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,519
began to be a mighty one in the earth. He

726
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,960
began to be a gibberem and so and so what

727
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:40,559
I talk about and of course says he was a

728
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:43,199
mighty hunter before the Lord before it is said, even

729
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,719
as Nimrod, the mighty hunter before the Lord. And what

730
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,400
I find there, and this is what I write about

731
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,199
in Judgment and Nephilim is it's it's I believe Scripture

732
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,400
is describing a process. Something happened to him. Right in

733
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,519
the Subtugen says he became a giant, but something he underwent,

734
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:04,280
something happened to him supernaturally that he became a gibbereem.

735
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,599
And so I I my speculation and my thesis on

736
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:09,239
that is that I think it was something done by

737
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,880
the falling angels, kind of like you see with Nbeca,

738
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,800
Nazzer and Daniel chapter four.

739
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: But it's interesting that I find it interesting.

740
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: In the Book of Joshure seems to be saying that

741
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:25,320
the garments made him become the great warrior hunter killer

742
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,280
that he's renowned for in ancient times.

743
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

744
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:33,079
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. It's like, I'm a type of person.

745
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,559
I think it's not one. It's not this or that.

746
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,400
It's a combination of this and this. You know, there

747
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:46,800
could have been some dead ancestor veneration, some cannibalistic rights

748
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,880
and things like that to turn something some dormant gene

749
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,920
on in his DNA to make him change like this.

750
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,800
And it could have been a mixture of that and

751
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,519
these garments, or it could have been and just the

752
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,360
ritual stuff. And it just coincidentally happened right when he

753
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,280
gives these garments, and people attributed it to the garments.

754
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,519
You know, whether these garments were supernatural or not. I mean,

755
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:18,400
who knows. Nobody knows, but we can say with certainty

756
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,280
that the people of that time believe them to be.

757
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and definitely in the ancient Jewish writings that was

758
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,119
their belief. And so but another interesting thing too, and

759
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,679
I have here i'll throw the verses back up, is

760
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,760
you know, you see this reference here.

761
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: To hunters.

762
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,039
Speaker 1: Right, of course Nimrod was he He says, he was

763
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,559
a mighty hunter with the Lord. You know, the only

764
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:50,039
the first two hunters in scripture are Nimrod and Esau. Yeah, yeah,

765
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,360
but there you know, so again it's another connection. And

766
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,039
then I just referenced this passage here in Jeremiah twenty

767
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,440
three where God is talking about a judgment. Right, this

768
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:03,079
is God claiming the judgment, and he says, and after

769
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,599
will I send in the highlighted section for many hunters,

770
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:09,320
and they shall hunt them from every mountain. So this

771
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,559
idea that when God sending a hunter, it's not a

772
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:14,920
hunter of animals, it's a hunter of humans. Right, This

773
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,679
is this is a you know, and you see here

774
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,960
because God says, from mine eyes are upon all their ways.

775
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,519
They are not hid from my face. Neither is their

776
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,360
iniquity hid from my eyes. So this is about judging

777
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,400
the iniquity in this passage of Judah and the idea

778
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,800
of a hunter being a hunter of people. And then

779
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,760
again you see this connection that the really the only

780
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,480
two hunters we find described in scripture are in Nimrod

781
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,559
and Esau. So I just find that fascinating, how there

782
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:44,880
is there are these hints of a link between these

783
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,840
two figures in scripture.

784
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it even hints to like, when I read

785
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,440
that that in Jasher, it is like to me, it

786
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:59,960
words as though Nimrod was hunting Esau. And you gotta remember,

787
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:03,559
he's this hairy, huge man. You know what we in

788
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:06,360
our modern vernacular, if we've seen that, seeing him out

789
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,719
in the woods, we would say, without hesitation, I seen sasquatch,

790
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,920
I've seen Bigfoot.

791
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:13,639
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So you have.

792
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 3: It's like the Highlander there can only be one baby,

793
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,239
and here's these two ego maniacs, you know what I mean.

794
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,599
They're both mighty men, they're gibores, they're both known as

795
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,880
the mightiest hunter of the field. So there's like, Okay,

796
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,639
I'm going to show the other who's the mighty man,

797
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,639
who the one is and Nimrod, I'm sure he went

798
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:36,960
out with his men to hunt, and he was said

799
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,320
that jealousy built up in the heart of Nimrod against

800
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,760
the East all of his days. And it worded it

801
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,559
like they were going out on a hunt for this

802
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:48,000
wild beast of a man, and he's like, I'm gonna

803
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,159
have his head on my wall. It's gonna be like

804
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,920
modern deer hunters do today. It was gonna be his

805
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,280
trophy piece over his mantle.

806
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah, it's very very it's very very fascinating.

807
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,199
Speaker 1: And like even the fact that you know Nimrod again

808
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,519
has this you know in the Bible saying as it

809
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:09,320
is said Nimrod that might you know, he was a legend, right,

810
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,599
he was a legendary figure in the ancient world for

811
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:13,639
being a hunter.

812
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 4: So him going.

813
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: After Esau, that scenario would be pretty quite epic. Now, Yeah,

814
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,760
So what are your thoughts then on Esau despising the

815
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,280
birth rate?

816
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,199
Speaker 4: What do you what is your research brought to you

817
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,559
on that aspect of it.

818
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: See, I don't think that he despised his birth right.

819
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:45,800
I think it was a desperation trade. And then because

820
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,159
you see, obviously like after he traded it, he hated

821
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,519
his brother. And if you read a lot of these

822
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:55,719
apocryphal books and stuff, he even plotted with his sons

823
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,679
to kill Jacob, and Jacob ends up, you know, giving

824
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,880
his son's money, bribed him not to kill him, and

825
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:10,320
it's like he played nice for the family, but he

826
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:16,880
despised him. And it grows even more because when you

827
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:25,119
look who he married into. Number one, when you read scripture,

828
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:34,000
he marries into Whoorie hit Tip giant clans, and it

829
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:37,079
says that the land that they come from was Mount Sier.

830
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:43,440
Mount Sier is in Hebrew that's Harry and they were

831
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,639
known giant clans. And then he takes a few wives

832
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:50,599
there and then he takes his third wife. Where does

833
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:54,239
he go. He goes to Ishmael and takes one of

834
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,519
his daughters. So there you have the joining together of

835
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:02,079
the two elder brothers that lost their inheritance and hated

836
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:06,119
their younger brothers for it. So you can imagine the

837
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,519
hatred that was shared and spewed around the campfire at

838
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:13,119
their family reunions.

839
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,199
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, And I find also interesting to see.

840
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:18,559
Speaker 1: And that's to me, is like the big connection that

841
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:22,480
I make to Esau and Genesis three fifteen and the

842
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:29,039
Neffelin that he I think it very intentionally marries Canaanite women, right,

843
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:30,760
And so I'm going to throw the verse up here

844
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,320
because again I think there's another connection the scriptures showing

845
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,519
us here with his wives, right. It says here in

846
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,280
Genesis twenty six, Esau was four years old and he

847
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,480
took his wife Judith, the daughter of Bria, like you said,

848
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:47,960
at Hittite, right, So he's marrying into the descendants of Canaan.

849
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:51,920
And it says in Bashamath the daughter of Elon the Hitsite,

850
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,079
which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to

851
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,079
Rebecca as you mentioned. And isn't it interesting here later

852
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,599
on in Genesis thirty six says Esau took wives of

853
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:03,440
the daughters of king and describing his lineage here, and

854
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,239
we're seeing this langage one. He's a polygamist, which we

855
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,960
see with Lammik in Genesis chapter four. And look look

856
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,880
at his wife, Ada, the daughter of Elon the Hittite,

857
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,280
and Lammik who took who was the first polygamist on record.

858
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,920
His wife was Ada of the.

859
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 4: Women that when he took his wives.

860
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,639
Speaker 1: And so that to me again when we talk about

861
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:29,159
the spiritual act, like is he a seed? Is he

862
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,519
of the wicked one? This is to me this all

863
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:35,800
ties it in that he's literally flaunting himself against the

864
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,639
ultimate prophecy of Genesis through fifteen. He'll marry into the

865
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,519
king at lineage. He'll risk mingling seed and all these

866
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,440
things in direct defiance of yahweh.

867
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

868
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 3: And if you think about it, I know, I told

869
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,719
you we have talked about it before the show started.

870
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,239
I said, if you take this Harry quote unquote sasquatch

871
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:02,880
looking man and breed with giants, you have a very

872
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:06,840
high probability of throwing some really strange pups, to say

873
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,480
the least. And then you throw in the spiritual and

874
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:18,760
just the visceral Belico spirit of Ismael. And that's why

875
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:24,039
you have the hatred for God's people, because when you

876
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:34,440
look all of your Middle Eastern religions, the Muslims and

877
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,920
all these different religions that spring forth from that area,

878
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,000
I all trace their lineage back to Ishmael and Esaul.

879
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:48,639
And these are the people that want to totally annihilate

880
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:55,599
God's people. It is the total perfect embodiment of Genesis

881
00:51:55,679 --> 00:52:00,960
three point fifteen, the enmity between her seed and diced.

882
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:07,679
And I even found reading flavous Josephus when he's talking

883
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,679
about the brothers. I think he chose a word very

884
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,000
carefully because he said to describe the hostility between those

885
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:23,800
two brothers. He says enmity. Wow, he's pointing back to

886
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,199
Genesis three fifteen.

887
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,519
Speaker 4: Wow, that's good. That's good. Yeah, No, definitely.

888
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: And then you think about this, this the spiritual warfare aspect,

889
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,440
when you talk about this hatred right right, and this

890
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:43,199
desire for you know, genocide essentially right, it's it's it's demonic,

891
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:49,239
right or satanic fulling angelic, all those things. So yeah,

892
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,199
really fascinating. So speaking of Sear now, and again this

893
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,440
is one of my personal questions because I've always wondered

894
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,679
what is happening in Genesis thirty six with the descendants

895
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,360
of he saw in the dukes and all these descriptions. Uh,

896
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,920
do you have any thoughts of research insights on his

897
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,559
his lineage that we see clearly detailed in scripture.

898
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: Now, honestly, I just looked into just his lineage of

899
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:23,320
marrining into those giant clans and and went through that.

900
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,920
And as far as I made it, I made it

901
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:34,000
up to like the priest of Balem because his Esau's nephew. Uh.

902
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,159
And I'm drawing a blank right now. Help me Ryan

903
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,039
the famous one.

904
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, his nephew, Esau's.

905
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:51,639
Speaker 3: Nephew, the Amalachi or what was his name? The famous

906
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:56,880
that was he had a whole clan named after him.

907
00:53:57,159 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 4: That's the Yeah, well.

908
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: What of him? But I can't remember his name now,

909
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,639
But this guy was described as a Nephelom giant. He

910
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:13,639
was a fierce warrior and he was the nephew of

911
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,519
Esau and even had a whole tribe named after him

912
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:19,239
Amelik Amelik.

913
00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 4: Yes.

914
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,119
Speaker 3: And when you get to Balm in that prophecy, I

915
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:27,880
found that kind of strange that he goes up on

916
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,719
this mountain and said of cursing God's people, you know,

917
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,679
he blesses them, but it says that he mentions all

918
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,159
these tribes and curses them, and it says that he

919
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:47,920
even turns, and he turns and starts addressing Amelik. Amelik

920
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,639
wouldn't there, and he was talking about, you know, disinherit him,

921
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:54,599
and it said that, you know, and I'm just kind

922
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:56,239
of going off top of the dome here. This is

923
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,599
something that just came up. And I don't have my notes,

924
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:04,119
but basically that you were first among the nations, but

925
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:09,239
you will be brought low. Yeah, And to me, I

926
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,280
was just like, man that sent goose bumps up my

927
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,880
back when I read that. I was like, Amelik wasn't there.

928
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,000
So was he Was he talking to the spirit of Amelik?

929
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,800
Or was he looking from that mountaintop toward the lands

930
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,480
of Amelik? And then he calls to attention his mightiness

931
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,800
and how he was first of the nations because in

932
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:38,679
my opinion, that bloodline, that DNA genetic advantage that they had,

933
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:44,639
and even their name, that name means the blood liquors.

934
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,159
And I think that's why. And I talk about it

935
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:52,360
in the book when Moses leads the Israelites out of

936
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,039
Egypt and goes into the wilderness, this was the lands

937
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:01,079
of those people and their first inco owner is with

938
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:06,360
that tribe. Well, then you get the laws from God,

939
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:11,679
and what does God say repeatedly, don't seek necromancers, don't

940
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:18,159
seek mediums, don't drink the blood. And it's my opinion,

941
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:22,639
and he says, and stop sacrificing to harry goat demons.

942
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:30,440
It's because my opinion, I'll say that, because they were

943
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:36,800
in the land of Seerra, these harry giant crossbreed people,

944
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,400
and they were having contact with them, and they were

945
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:49,039
doing as they did. These people were necromancers, they were cannibalistic,

946
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:55,760
doing sacrifice and drinking the blood. And I believe that

947
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,840
these are what's referred to in the Bible as these

948
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,360
harry goat demons. And then when you get into the

949
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,400
book Isaiah, that's where you get the whole Lilith. In

950
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:12,599
the screech Owl, it even mentions these wild animals. Well,

951
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:17,679
when you go through the original Hebrew, that's a satyr.

952
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,519
And what's a satyr. A satyr is a half goat,

953
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,840
half man. And I find it fascinating when you go

954
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:34,159
through the description of Esau. When Jacob steals the blessing,

955
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,960
he goes in, what's his mother tell him to do?

956
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:42,000
She says, go and kill one of the kid goats

957
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,199
and bring it to me. I'm gonna prepare a meal,

958
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:48,159
and we're gonna push you off as Esau because your

959
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:50,960
father's blind. And he freaks out. He's like, no, I'm

960
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,360
a smooth man. Mom, I'm a smooth man. What if

961
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,559
he finds out and he curses me instead? She says,

962
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,599
just do what I tell you, and you're cursing if

963
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:05,119
it come, will be on me. So it wasn't metaphoric language.

964
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,519
I've heard people say, oh, that was just poetic language.

965
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:09,159
Speaker 4: That was metaphor. There he was.

966
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:12,679
Speaker 3: He took a goat's fur and put it around him

967
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,920
to imitate his brother. That was literal. And if you've

968
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,800
ever felt of a goat's fur, oh man, it's oily,

969
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,719
it's cores. And once again you had this association with

970
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,639
the harry goat demons and the wild men of the

971
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:31,199
wilderness and these dancing says that Isaiah talks about. I mean,

972
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:33,559
all this stuff is connected. Even when you go into

973
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:40,079
later down the line, you have a crumpus, then you

974
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:46,000
have in Sardinia the mathones. These people dress up with

975
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:51,960
these hairy goats skins and wear bells, and dance, and

976
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,519
they grab and take women. And you have all these

977
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:01,559
stories throughout time and history of these wild men. I

978
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,880
mean it all that that's the origin point in my opinion.

979
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: And there are many gods, ancient deities, pagan gods that

980
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,639
are associated with Esau.

981
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 4: So so going out exactly.

982
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, So I think there's a lot happening

983
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,760
here spiritually at play that has influenced so much of

984
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,679
what's happening in the unseen realm on the fallen side.

985
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,719
So I definitely definitely agree with that.

986
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,119
Speaker 4: And so by the way, I had to just.

987
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: You know, Instagram, just for the Instagram watchers, I had to,

988
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,480
I know, the live ended, I just I just restarted again.

989
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:49,360
So for whatever reason, Instagram only allows your lives to

990
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,280
go for one hour and then the end the stream

991
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,440
and you have to like restart it. So for those

992
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,639
Instagram sorry for the brief interruption, but welcome.

993
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,039
Speaker 3: Back, Welcome to the overtime session.

994
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: Right, that's right.

995
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: So let's see is there any and obviously you know,

996
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,599
I you know, I don't wanted you to give away

997
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:11,840
the whole book, but is there any other aspects you

998
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,400
want to touch and that we haven't hit on?

999
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 4: And I have one question so that I didn't even

1000
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,559
ask you in the pre roll.

1001
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: Do you talk about, uh, do you connect any of

1002
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:24,599
this conflict and Esau and his whole epic, his own

1003
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:26,719
origin or anything we surrounding him.

1004
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 4: Do you.

1005
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,079
Speaker 1: Discuss end Time's prophecy in the book or have any

1006
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:35,519
theories that connect it that that join any any any

1007
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:38,280
connecting points to Jacob and Esau.

1008
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:42,119
Speaker 3: Uh No, Honestly, I just kind of, you know, give

1009
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:46,280
my hypothesis about you know, whether you know in one way, shape, form,

1010
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,119
or the other, that I thought he was, you know,

1011
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:50,320
a serpent seed, and how he was tied in with

1012
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,639
these Nephelim, and how even in Isaiah and the septuagen

1013
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,559
says that you know, in the end times that behold,

1014
01:00:56,639 --> 01:01:00,360
you know, giants are coming to fulfill my wrath. Yeah,

1015
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,480
that that they're going to have a part to play

1016
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,920
in it. And then also just the the the normal

1017
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,039
people that grew up in those religions and ideologies are

1018
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,599
ultimately fighting on in Satan's army to destroy destroy the

1019
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,679
people of God. Their poems in the game. But one

1020
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:23,039
thing that I did kind of go off. I was

1021
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,960
all diving into the history and the genealogies and stuff.

1022
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,079
I do end the book with this kind of like

1023
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:35,320
some spiritual reflection, how us as modern readers, what kind

1024
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:40,079
of moral lesson should we take from Esau? And I

1025
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:42,199
talked about, you know, the parable of the of the

1026
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:49,719
prodigal son, and how he had the opportunity to repent,

1027
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:53,639
but he didn't. He hardened his heart and stayed the

1028
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:59,440
course and just totally just went into full fledged rebellion

1029
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:04,360
out of his anger. And where he didn't forgive, he

1030
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,039
didn't choose forgiveness, and like a cancer, it just say

1031
01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:10,480
festered and it grew in him until it was just

1032
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,679
he was just too far gone. But I kind of

1033
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:15,840
touched on that in the end, just as us as

1034
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,159
modern readers, the kind of spiritual lessons and takeaways you

1035
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:21,760
know that I had taken from Esau.

1036
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And I think also from an apologetic standpoint,

1037
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:30,719
I think it also helps everything we're talking about his nature,

1038
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,559
his actions, all these things. Also I think shed light

1039
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:40,639
on Paul writing about Eso and the idea that God

1040
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,559
is quoting Malaki. The God hated Esau, right, Jacob, I

1041
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:46,880
loved Esa. I hated and it's like, again, it's one

1042
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,800
of those questions where someone can easily say, well, why

1043
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:54,280
why is God just arbitrarily choosing to hate one twin

1044
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,920
and love the other twin? And so do you have

1045
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:58,800
any thoughts about that?

1046
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1047
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,719
Speaker 3: With me, I think it's because you know, it says

1048
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,440
that God is a god of love, and you know

1049
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,480
he's our heavenly father. He loves us all, and why

1050
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:14,719
he loves us all is because we are his children.

1051
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:21,840
So for him not to love someone, to me, I'm like, well,

1052
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,840
obviously he's not his children. And not only is it

1053
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,880
not his children, it's someone that is in that's standing

1054
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,000
in direct opposition of the father's will and trying to

1055
01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:39,440
harm his children. You know, if you have kids, you

1056
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:44,320
know that all things in your life that were important

1057
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,079
and that you loved all fall flat on their face

1058
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:52,239
after that. You don't mess with a father's kids. If

1059
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,559
someone's messing with your kids, man, you're going to go

1060
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:59,280
into grizzly bear mode. So to me, when I read that, honestly,

1061
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,440
that just affirmed my belief that Esau was different, he

1062
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:05,039
was of a different breed.

1063
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I think again it also just you know,

1064
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:14,239
anytime we can it clarifies. I mean, that's such a

1065
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,000
powerful statement, right, And so I think anytime we can

1066
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:22,079
make it easier to understand and see his history and

1067
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:25,960
his attitude towards again Genesis three fifteen, it gives more

1068
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,360
light of how that God is not never acting irrationally

1069
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:30,199
or arbitrarily.

1070
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 4: Right. So awesome.

1071
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: Well, we have a lot of questions in the chat

1072
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,719
about about what we've been talking about tonight.

1073
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,199
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna get some you up for a little

1074
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:41,360
live Q and A in overtime.

1075
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: Let's do it, all right, So we're gonna take a

1076
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,480
quick break and then we come back.

1077
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:47,199
Speaker 4: We're gonna get to your questions. So if you have

1078
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:48,360
questions for.

1079
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 6: Justin about you get a friend, absolutely absolutely, I got

1080
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,719
your back, my brother, I got your back, or any topic,

1081
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:00,800
here's your chance.

1082
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:02,719
Speaker 4: Don't put them in the chat. Now we're gonna get

1083
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:03,119
some questions.

1084
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break, and we're gonna come back

1085
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,320
with some live Q.

1086
01:05:07,280 --> 01:06:13,119
Speaker 4: And A after this break. Okay.

1087
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: And that, of course, was the trailer for the audiobook

1088
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,320
of Judgment of the Nephila, my first book, which goes

1089
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,800
through Genesis six, goes through everything we're talking about. Genesis

1090
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,599
three point fifteen, the prophecy of the seed of the

1091
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,400
woman and the enmity between that seed and the seed

1092
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:30,679
of the serpent. Right, and so gets into Genesis six,

1093
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,079
Genesis six, the Nephila and the giants, how this all started,

1094
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:37,119
and how it traces all the way to the birth

1095
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,440
of the messiety Isshua in the gospels.

1096
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 4: So and I have the Final Nephilum as well, which

1097
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,800
is the sequel to Judgment of the Nephilim. And it

1098
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,360
gets into the end times.

1099
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: It gets into revelation, the prophecies, the rise of Antichrist,

1100
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,719
his agenda, his mission, his supernatural power, him being the seed,

1101
01:06:56,159 --> 01:06:59,480
the final seed of the serpent of Satan himself, and

1102
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:05,079
he gets into as you see, they are UFOs, quantum physics, transhumanism,

1103
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,000
touches on a lot of topics, so you can find

1104
01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:12,400
all that and more. There are also documentary study guides.

1105
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,480
All the links to those things are in the description

1106
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:17,079
of this video, as well as Justin's links.

1107
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 4: You can find his social media.

1108
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,719
Speaker 1: You can find me these links, podcasts links, dig Bible

1109
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,400
podcast links all in the description of the video. So

1110
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,840
please uh subscribe to his channels, put some likes on there,

1111
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,719
some some kind five star reviews, and support this Brothers

1112
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,840
he gets ready to launch his book. So you're excited

1113
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,679
to put your book out there in the public sphere.

1114
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,199
Speaker 3: I am, uh, And honestly uh, I told you pre

1115
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,880
roly was. I don't even care if I don't make

1116
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,599
a dime off the book, because to me, it ain't

1117
01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:53,360
about the money. It's just about writing a book, getting

1118
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,880
it out there, and maybe you know, drawing some attention

1119
01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:00,280
to my podcast and the stuff that I researched, because

1120
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,079
that that is my passion. And it's like you know,

1121
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:07,320
in these circles, it's you're you're not taken seriously or

1122
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:13,119
given proper attention unless you have some author you know,

1123
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:16,520
some books authored under your your name and onto your resume.

1124
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,600
So that that's the whole point of me even written

1125
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,079
this book, was just get my ideas out there and

1126
01:08:22,119 --> 01:08:24,920
then I can have a that check mark under my

1127
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,840
resume and maybe get some people to have some discussions

1128
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:28,199
with me.

1129
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:33,520
Speaker 4: I love talking as do I, as do I.

1130
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,279
Speaker 1: We take you very seriously already, so the book will

1131
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,560
only enhance that. So it's all good, So we look

1132
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,359
forward to it. So let's get to some comments and

1133
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,720
questions here. All right, We've got a super chat here

1134
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,039
from Jesus saves hope you had a wonderful holiday. Thank

1135
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:47,159
you so much for your generosity. And yes, I had

1136
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,680
a wonderful, wonderful holiday. I mean it's I got to travel,

1137
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,319
I got to watch football, I got to spend time

1138
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:55,399
with my family and some beautiful weather. It was a

1139
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,479
great time. So God, it's good. So thank you very much, Christy.

1140
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,600
Christie said, here Gilgamesh fought one. Also, I think this

1141
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,840
is in reference to the fighting the Gibbereem, So.

1142
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 3: I talk about that in the book. I got a

1143
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,720
whole chapter on the epic mission. How I think it's

1144
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,640
just a twisted, fallen round version of the story of Esau.

1145
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,880
And now even the Tom I seen Tom in the

1146
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,640
chat said something about the Golden fleece. I talk about

1147
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,439
that in the book. Also, I think that that's another

1148
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,039
story that's connected that's kind of changed.

1149
01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: Here we go, Tom Ali, Yeah, it's interesting that the

1150
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,680
guard that that the garment spoken of Jesure that never

1151
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,800
it's a similar story. Yeah, the Golden fleece. Right, And again,

1152
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,319
when you talk about this ancient cosmology and how these

1153
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,479
are just retellings, that's a perfect that's a really really

1154
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,319
really good Uh.

1155
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:53,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even Satan because it's aries the ram mm hmm.

1156
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,520
And it goes back to and I hate to sound

1157
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:00,439
new age, but the the astronomical stuff, the the the

1158
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,479
housing of the sun, you know, the ages that were

1159
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,319
in you know, I talked about it in the book

1160
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:10,159
that I believe that that points back to the Age

1161
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:16,760
of Ares. And this ram was sacrificed and its skin

1162
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:20,680
was taken, and it was a birthright. It was a

1163
01:10:21,279 --> 01:10:25,279
symbol of authority that the king's wore. It sounds a

1164
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:27,840
whole lot like the garments in the Garden of Eden.

1165
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:32,640
And uh, even with the whole Satan connection. And you

1166
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,880
go back to Isaac. He was the firstborn, the chosen son,

1167
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,760
and he was going to be sacrificed. And what happens

1168
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:41,439
a ram?

1169
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 4: I provided a ram?

1170
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:48,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, Yeah.

1171
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,159
Speaker 4: Very interesting stuff. All right.

1172
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:57,279
Speaker 1: Let's see here, Well look at that, Jennifer said, reminds

1173
01:10:57,319 --> 01:10:59,640
me of Isaac and Ishmael. The younger got the birthright

1174
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,520
and the older was spanished, but both were ahead of

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two nations.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:07,239
Speaker 4: So again right in line with your research.

1178
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 1: M all right, let's see here, got a great review,

1179
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:24,279
yea great you give you a shout out, all right,

1180
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:26,520
let's get to this is interesting. Do you have any

1181
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,720
theories on this? You find anything about that?

1182
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,239
Speaker 3: No, I didn't find anything about that. But I mean,

1183
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,720
as I mentioned is when we started the discussion, you

1184
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,479
hear so many stories about these red haired, you know,

1185
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,159
six finger giants, especially in the North America, the native traditions,

1186
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,119
and then Goliath had the six fingers and stuff. I

1187
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:53,479
think it's a good possibility, but I've not found anything

1188
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,000
that just come right out and said it.

1189
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:56,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh and and you do mention. I'm assuming

1191
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,880
you mentioned and you get into Bigfoot in the book

1192
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:02,279
as well.

1193
01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I talk about just how I there did

1194
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,640
I dedicate a chapter or two of establishing what they

1195
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,319
call the wild man. So if you go to Britain,

1196
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:16,720
there's all kinds of stories about this. You know, Harry

1197
01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:19,640
Man in the in the woods and he would raid

1198
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,399
the villages at night and take women and take food.

1199
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,359
And then you go to North America, the Sasquats, you

1200
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,800
go down to China, they call it the year and uh,

1201
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,840
I talked about the mathones uh down there in Sardinia.

1202
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:38,720
This is something that is culture blind, and it's throughout

1203
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,439
all ages, throughout all people. So I kind of laid

1204
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,159
and I tell some of those stories and lay that

1205
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:47,199
foundation that you know, this is found everywhere, and this

1206
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:52,039
is what it's saying, in my opinion anyway, what Esau was,

1207
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,399
and just if we used our modern vernacular, that is

1208
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,840
what we would call a bigfoot today. And I even

1209
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,199
talk about other characters in the Bible that have this

1210
01:13:03,359 --> 01:13:05,520
that a lot of people look over. You know, if

1211
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:09,439
you read the Targetms Cain. I know we've talked about

1212
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:14,520
him tonight. It says that his mark was that he

1213
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:19,439
was covered in hair and even given a horn, and

1214
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,520
that Lomech how we get in Genesis that he comes

1215
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,840
home distraught and says if Cain's cursing was time seven

1216
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,600
mine seventy times seven. And because that story details that

1217
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,159
he was blind in his older age and his son

1218
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:37,720
helped him hunt, and his son mistaked Caine as a

1219
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:41,760
beast of the field and Limeck accidentally kills him, and

1220
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:47,000
then his anger kills his son for the mistake, and

1221
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:52,239
then even Nebucenezzar. That's another story that I think. I

1222
01:13:52,399 --> 01:13:54,560
used to think that that was like a wirewolf, you know,

1223
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,920
or something like that, But now I'm like, nah, I

1224
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,760
believe he was. It was the same cursing as Cain

1225
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,119
he saw. It's kind of like a common cursing calling

1226
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:08,680
card of God. And yeah, you just see it throughout

1227
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,079
other cultures and histories too.

1228
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,399
Speaker 1: And that's one of the most fascinating passages in scripture

1229
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,000
to me, because I mean it's there in very clear

1230
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:20,760
detail that he is literally transformed, right, he's growing hair,

1231
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,319
he's going feathers, right and so, and of course done

1232
01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:27,239
by the watcher angels. So and that's when I think

1233
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:29,479
about Nimrod. That's what I think about. That's why I said,

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,760
that's my idea with Nimrod. There's a question about this too,

1235
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:32,800
so we'll put this one.

1236
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 4: Up here from m A. Do you believe Nimrod was Harry?

1237
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 3: He could have very well been. I mean, but I

1238
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,880
know the depictions and stuff we have, like the statues,

1239
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,359
he's you know, so large, and he's holding a lion

1240
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,520
like a kiddy cat. He's got this long flowing hair

1241
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,520
and the chest hair and things like that, I think

1242
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,800
that they were of the same breed. And even with

1243
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,199
the genetics side scientific side of it, as I was

1244
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:07,600
looking into this, we know it as Wolfman syndrome, and

1245
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,600
it's a rare genetic thing, but it happens, and that's

1246
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,520
why you have the bearded lady, the wolfman, and all

1247
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,840
these people that were recorded in history. And this is

1248
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:25,279
a genetic defect that basically the scientific name is called hypertrixosis.

1249
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:28,159
And a lot of people don't realize, but if you

1250
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:31,840
look this up on Wikipedia that I can't remember the

1251
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,079
name of the hair. It was like ligano or something

1252
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:38,800
like that. But basically, we are all covered in fine

1253
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:43,239
hair in the womb. But at a certain point, your

1254
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:48,640
DNA tells you to shed that hair, and those people

1255
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,760
there's something wrong genetically or something misfires, and your body

1256
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,600
doesn't tell you to shed that hair, and that is

1257
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,520
how you get these bearded ladies and these wolf men

1258
01:15:59,359 --> 01:16:03,680
and things like that. So it's a genetic alteration and

1259
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:04,600
or defect.

1260
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,520
Speaker 1: Makes me think of Revelation nine in the fifth trumpet,

1261
01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:11,800
right the locust that says they have, you know, face

1262
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:12,079
of a.

1263
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,079
Speaker 4: Man and hair of a woman.

1264
01:16:13,399 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: Right, the Bible is specifically highlighting that to me, something

1265
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:19,640
is abnormal about their hair. If they have a man's face,

1266
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,439
how long it must be that they have hair of

1267
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:25,279
a woman. So let's see here. So let's see you

1268
01:16:25,279 --> 01:16:28,560
get some other some other questions here for you. Do

1269
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,680
you have any thoughts on this? Why do you think

1270
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:37,000
Isaac favored Esau?

1271
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 3: I believe because one it was the cultural norm. You know,

1272
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,119
the eldest is the one that got the blessing. That

1273
01:16:44,199 --> 01:16:48,800
would so Isaac, being a man raised in a certain tradition,

1274
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:53,279
would would go with the cultural norm and the traditions

1275
01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:56,399
of the time. But I think it's honestly, it's just

1276
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:02,760
think about today. Men. If we have a son and

1277
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,520
he's a manly man, you know, he's out, he's working,

1278
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,760
he's paying the bills, he's you know, going out and

1279
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,199
hunting and can lift heavy weights, and you're proud of him.

1280
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:15,439
He puts on that football jersey and he's scoring the

1281
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,720
touchdowns and knocking people over. That's my boy, you know

1282
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,760
what I mean. We do that today. So it's like

1283
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,960
if you and it said that Jacob, you know, it

1284
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,520
doesn't come right out and say that he was a

1285
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,039
sissy man. But I mean it says that he was

1286
01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:34,279
a man of the house. Yeah, he wasn't outside doing

1287
01:17:34,319 --> 01:17:39,039
all these manly things. He was inside stuck onca Rebecca's hip.

1288
01:17:39,039 --> 01:17:42,159
He was kind of a mama's boy. So of course

1289
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:47,680
the manly man Isaac favored the eldest number one, but

1290
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,439
also he was the manly man.

1291
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1292
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,119
Speaker 1: I think there's some definitely some long standing truth to

1293
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:59,159
that answer right there. Oh, this is interesting, So life

1294
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:03,960
travel word said, uh, and that's a fun way to live,

1295
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,600
by the way, enjoying life, enjoying travel, and enjoying the

1296
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:07,119
Word of God.

1297
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

1298
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 4: I just came upon information tying the WHR rights to

1299
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,119
Horace as he meaning you justin have you seen any

1300
01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:20,319
connections connections between the WHR rights and obviously the Egyptian

1301
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:21,159
god Horace.

1302
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,319
Speaker 3: No, I haven't looked into that. That's uh, appreciate that.

1303
01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:28,199
That gives me a new bunny trail go down.

1304
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: It happens to me every week. I got a question

1305
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,000
about it. I never thought about that before. So that's

1306
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:36,039
the that's the that's the beauty of the show. I

1307
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:39,880
leave with so many ideas because our audience has always.

1308
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 4: Had some really good questions.

1309
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:49,520
Speaker 1: So, uh, all right, Nanny says, interesting that that coat's features,

1310
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,880
thinking of Joseph and the many colored coat that Joseph

1311
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,399
of course has in Genesis.

1312
01:18:54,920 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 3: Yep, bingo yatzi. I like, yeah, And there's even a

1313
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,760
hint of those garments in scripture that a lot of

1314
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,640
people look over. And I found it on a hunch

1315
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,000
with Dereck Gilbert. I went on his show and we

1316
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,119
were talking and we got to because for those just

1317
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,720
that we were talking about those garments. If anybody was wondering, well,

1318
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,840
how did Nimrod end up with these garments? Well, when

1319
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,720
you go through Jasher, it trails these garments, and it's

1320
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,880
a passing of the birthright, and it goes through the

1321
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,600
proper lineage like it's supposed to, you know, goes through

1322
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,079
Enoch and Methuselam and all the you know, the good

1323
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:41,800
line But once it goes onto the ark with Noah,

1324
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,359
it says that in Ham's going out, he stole them

1325
01:19:47,119 --> 01:19:49,840
in secret and passed them to Cush, and then Cush

1326
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,680
gave them to Nimrod. And it says that he give

1327
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,239
them to Nimrod at his twentieth birthday when he was

1328
01:19:56,279 --> 01:19:59,199
coming of age to be a man, and it said

1329
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:00,800
when he put on the gard armits, that's how he

1330
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:05,239
became mighty. I said, I believe when we read that story,

1331
01:20:05,279 --> 01:20:07,520
we see those garments, but people look over it all

1332
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,920
the time. I said, a lot of people that know

1333
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,520
the uncovering thy father's nakedness. When you look in Leviticus,

1334
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:20,640
it says plainly, to sleep with thy father's wife is

1335
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,880
to uncover thy father's nakedness. So that was an incestuous

1336
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,880
act of rebellion to take over the home what Ham done.

1337
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,199
So if you look at Rubin, Ruben done the same thing.

1338
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:36,560
If you look at David's son Absalom, he done the

1339
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,840
same thing. He run out David. What was the first

1340
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,600
thing he did? He pitched a tent on top of

1341
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,920
the house and went into all of his concubines in

1342
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,239
the side of all of Israel. Back in the day,

1343
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:47,640
that was just a way of flexing on the old man.

1344
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,640
It was the assertion of dominance. So this is what

1345
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,520
hann was trying to do there. But when you get

1346
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:59,399
to that story, it says that the other brothers take

1347
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:05,000
a garment and placed on their back and walk backwards

1348
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,199
and covers their father's nakedness. I told Derek, I said,

1349
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:10,840
I mean, I said it. Don't come right out and

1350
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,720
say it, but I think that those are the garments.

1351
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,840
And he was like hmmm, And he got to look

1352
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,199
in and he was like, just and I think you're

1353
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:20,760
onto something.

1354
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:21,159
Speaker 4: He said.

1355
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:23,319
Speaker 3: When you look into the original language, he said in

1356
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:26,319
except two agent, he said, it has a definite article

1357
01:21:26,359 --> 01:21:29,000
to those garments. It doesn't say a garment, it says

1358
01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:30,439
the garment.

1359
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:36,399
Speaker 4: So I think very interesting. That is very very interesting.

1360
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,239
Speaker 3: And that was the symbol of authority. So it goes

1361
01:21:38,359 --> 01:21:41,039
perfectly in line with the narrative of the story too.

1362
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1363
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,119
Speaker 1: And by the way, I watched that episode, that was

1364
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,840
a great episode. Yeah, with Derek and I emailed them afterwords.

1365
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,600
I was like, whoa, that was good. I was like,

1366
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,239
you you're cooking man. When you brought that one out.

1367
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:53,720
I was not expecting that. So, speaking of the scept

1368
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,840
Tuo agent, we have another question. I think the sept

1369
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,439
Tuo agent can actually answer.

1370
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 4: So uh.

1371
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,039
Speaker 1: And to get this from Dusty who gave you the

1372
01:22:02,039 --> 01:22:05,279
shadow earlier, justin why were there three more stones on

1373
01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:07,720
the breastplate of the High Priest Aaron than on the

1374
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,439
covering cherub going back to is he killed twenty eight?

1375
01:22:11,119 --> 01:22:13,840
Any ideas or personal thoughts on that?

1376
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,520
Speaker 3: Uh. I talked about that in the book, you know,

1377
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,319
I said that it was my opinion that the original nine.

1378
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:23,319
I mean, you talked about it in that episode you

1379
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:25,319
did with me when you come on to the show

1380
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:29,399
and we did a show on the powerful stones exactly. Yeah, yeah,

1381
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,520
and how those nine stones could have very well represented

1382
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:39,880
the nine planetory spears. And I just postulated in the book.

1383
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,479
I said, Well, to me, I don't know the you know,

1384
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,680
one hundred percent definite answer, but to me, twelve is

1385
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,840
definitely an upgrade from nine. So it's not only so

1386
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:54,920
if my theory proved correct that these were the coverings,

1387
01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:57,760
you know, the priestly garments of Satan, and he was

1388
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,560
demoted and stripped of his position, the garment taken and

1389
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,319
given to Adam. So not only do you lose your position,

1390
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,560
you lose your your e fod and priestley garments. You

1391
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,000
only had nine stones, I'm giving them twelve. They're getting

1392
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,079
an upgrade.

1393
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: Nice, all right, we have let's see you all right life.

1394
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,600
Travel word is back with a super chat thank you

1395
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,680
so much, and it says thanks. Horace's name related to

1396
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:31,680
the roots how are in Semitic and might mean the

1397
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,840
deep one. Similar in Arabic word Hower refers to the

1398
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,680
bottom of the well and Hebrew horror cave.

1399
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,319
Speaker 3: Interesting, especially when you get into the lore of the

1400
01:23:43,399 --> 01:23:47,159
of these giants and these wild men. Also they both

1401
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:50,000
are connected to caves and all their stories. That's that's

1402
01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:53,680
where they like to dwell and hang out, and it

1403
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,000
has the associations with the underworld and the abyss.

1404
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: And like the darkness over the face of the so exactly.

1405
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:08,000
So hey, justin this was awesome and before yeah no,

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thank you so much for coming on, and before we rap,

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I want to make sure give you a chance to

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anything else you want to share, and definitely let people

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know one more time, how can we find you, how

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can we follow you? And anything else you want to

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share about the podcast, the book, The floor is yours,

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my men.

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Speaker 3: Now, I appreciate the time, and uh, I tell people

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this all the time. It's like I'm the I'm the

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super fan that gets to go backstage and I've been

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doing this for about, you know, two and a half

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years now, but it still doesn't get old. I still

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get the butterflies and get excited to talk to you

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guys because you are my motley crew. You know you guys.

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I cut my teeth reading y'all's books and listen to

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you guys on YouTube and following your stuff anything that

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I know. It's because of people like you, Ryan, and

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so I'm I'm just extremely thankful to be invited to

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the table and just have conversations with you. But yeah,

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the podcast, both of them, you know, the dig Bible

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podcast that's me and two of my buddies, we just

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dig through the word. And the other one, Prometheus Len's

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you find us on all the YouTube, Spotify, Apple or

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all the social media is just yeah, come check it out, man.

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I try to have conversations that even a non believer

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would would be into and sprinkle them with the truth

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while I have their attention. I tell people, I try

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to witness to those that are not believers or not

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heard the word. But I don't try to just blatantly

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beat them over the head into submission, you know. I mean,

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I just kind of try to lightly let them figure

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it out on their own. But I call it the

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hero's journey. That's something we all need to do. We

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need to step out in the unknown, and I ask

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good questions and be able to have conversations with people

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and read the things and just it's a journey, man.

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But yeah, check me out. I'd appreciate it. I think

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you guys will enjoy it. And just a shameless plug too,

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because it's actually tomorrow. I have a group it's called

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you know, it's my members group, but I have this

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package called the All Access Pass. With that, we have

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extra bonus members episodes, and we have a private Facebook community.

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We have a forty eight hour early access to all episodes.

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I got a bunch of documentaries that I've already filmed

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on piece them together now those guys will get that.

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But we also do a monthly members chat, and i'd

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bute authors and speakers and researchers and guests of the show,

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and you guys get to come in and sit down

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and video chat with them, ask them whatever questions you got,

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and we just have fellowship that way. It's it's really nice.

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But we do that one Friday every single month at

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eight pm Eastern Standard. But so tomorrow we're having one

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and we're having Derek Gilbert in house. So if you

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guys ever wanted to sit down, hang out with Derek

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or ask you any questions you got, we are doing

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that tomorrow at eight o'clock. Just go check out the

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website Prometheuslims podcast dot com and follow the members links.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, awesome, that's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: And I want you to come on, Ryan, We need

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you to come hang out, you know.

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Speaker 4: Man, give me a shot. Let me know. I would

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love to come and chop it up with you with

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all your your group and have a good time, you know.

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Speaker 1: And but I'm very confident tomorrow be extraordinary having Derek

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there to just ask questions to your bounce ideas off of.

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Speaker 4: So that's awesome. That is awesome.

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Speaker 1: And once again, for those everyone watching, you can find

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the links to all these things. The podcast is justin

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social media. Everything is in the description of this video.

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So and also put some likes in this room support me.

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You did a great job lot first live show, you

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did an awesome job. So show them some love. And

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once again yes, so if you're watching on replay, thank

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you for watching. You can put questions in the comment

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section of the video if you want your questions answered

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on a future episode. So once again, justin thank you

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so much. I appreciate you, brother, God bless you. I'm

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excited to see the book and listen once it's ready.

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If we be published, we'll bring you back on and

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you can you know, we'll throw the throw, the action,

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the cover up and all that stuff unless you we

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can walk through one more time. So thank you so much.

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I appreciate it. Thank you obviously for anyone who's watching

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for more information. Again, the links to Justin, to the books,

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to my social media, to his social media. It's all

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in the description in the video, like subscribe, share God's word,

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keep studying, stay faithful, and Lord willing see you next Thursday.

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Thank you everyone, God blessed as