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Speaker 1: I was listening to the story about It was the

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story of a family in Washington and the little boy

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called the big Foot the cowboy man, and he had

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apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid.

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And it hit me. My children were in that play

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pen behind me with nothing but a mosquito net over them.

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It could have crept up behind me and taken both

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of my children and I wouldn't known.

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Speaker 2: His father just got like a Mustang or something from Wyoming, Okay.

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He had it out in the corral because he couldn't

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put it in the barn with in the stalls with

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the other horses.

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Speaker 3: It would cake and made all the other horses nervous.

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Speaker 4: At a seminal.

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Speaker 2: Indian work in the horse trying to break it. Every

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day they had it out in the corral. The skunky

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snuck up behind this horse and grabbed it bon its

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hind quarters. This particular horse that kicks out, jumps over

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the corral, runs into the.

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Speaker 5: Pan, you know, to get away.

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Speaker 2: At this point, the ranchers out there just blessed away with.

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Speaker 4: The dirty, dirty stun gave runs.

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Speaker 5: It's in the swamp.

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Speaker 6: I went up there one day after that or two

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days after that, I went up there and sat in

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the silence up there, and I'm telling you, man, it

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was free. It was crazy, you know it was. There

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was a crazy vibe up there.

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Speaker 1: Still.

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Speaker 6: I did what I could to kind of get things

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under control. But I told her, I said, you need

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to get off this property. I feel like, no matter

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how strong you are, it's almos like standing in the ocean.

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You can't stand still without moving your feet. You're going

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to get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever,

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you can't withstand a barrage of of weird spiritual energy.

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Speaker 4: Well it's up, everybody, It's wine. Welcome back to the

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Bigfoot Report.

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Speaker 7: Go.

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Speaker 4: We have a very special treat on this I guess

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my second welcome back episode, the first full one. I

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will not be doing it alone. I have a very

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very special guest on here to help me tonight. If

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you are at all familiar with the show, most of

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you are, you have heard him before. What's up, mister

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Bobby Dizzle?

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Speaker 7: Hey, what's happening. It's kind of my welcome back to

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I haven't done a ton in the last year. I

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probably got more publicity by not doing anything, so I

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keep my mouth shut. I get like a thousand more subs.

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I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna not speak.

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Speaker 4: I've noticed that too, man, that the Bigfoot reports that

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has added some as well and still making a little

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bit of revenue. So that's that's always nice.

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Speaker 7: You want to hear something funny in that regard, Yes,

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And I'm woo woo as they come, but also really

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serious at the same time, so I can play both

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both sides of my iron Man. But one time I

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was like, it was like a quasi praye quasi talking

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to the universe, and I said, what do you want

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me to do? And in my brain I heard Alison

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Krauss singing, you say it best and you say nothing

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at all. I swear to god it happened. It played

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like somebody had to play on a CD player in

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my brain. At work, I was in a choir room.

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I was just doing something else me to do in

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that as far as this got up, Yeah, and do

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you know what day it was? I found out like

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an adelaide it was Keith Whitley's birthday. Oh wow, Okay,

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now you're gonna nail the coffin in like cay, okay,

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I won't do anything for a while, so I kind

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of just stood back and sure enough stuff came to me.

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There you go, Oh yeah, I'll shut up and stop talking,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: As I was talking the little teaser episode, I put out,

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I do have a missing person's case that I wanted

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to cover. And you and I have been talking about

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this for a couple of weeks now. It's very very

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well known. It's popular for our neck of the woods.

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Happened in the Great Smoky Mountains or just outside of

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the Smokey Mountains. But mister Mike Herron, we have never

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covered him. And I find that hard to believe because

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it's such a crazy interesting case and a lot of

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people have. But you you been researching the hell out

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of this case the last few days. I have been

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the last few days, you know, putting this in preparation

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of this show. And we both have a couple of

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theories that we're going to discuss. But like always, like

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a little video from someone else that's created it too,

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that's covered the content, to kind of give you all

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of the you know, the facts, you know that the

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just about stuff, you know, cover everything. So I've got

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that lined up right here, and that's what we are

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going to do. It is from the dark side. He

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does a really good job over there on YouTube. You

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guys don't know about him, please go check him out

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and give him a sub But yeah, if you're ready, man,

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we're just gonna go ahead and start playing this video.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what's what's one more video about this? On the

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heat hot.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 5: For nearly nine years, authorities in Tennessee have been investigating

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the disappearance of a fifty two year old father who

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vanished without a trace. Michael Heren's family described him as

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an easy going and fun loving and individual. Born and

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raised in East Tennessee, the third generation home builder, like

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my father, actually had everything he wanted in life. Unfortunately,

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that life took an unexpected turn in two thousand and eight.

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On Saturday, August the twenty third, two thousand and eight,

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Michael called his sons, Matt and Andy and informed them

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that he was leaving his condo in Maryville, Tennessee, to

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mow the lawn at a house he owned a nearby

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Happy Valley, which is a community located in Blunt County, Tennessee,

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just outside of the Great Smoky.

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Speaker 3: Mountains National Park.

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Speaker 5: Not long after placing the call, he went by Andy's

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house to pick up his lawnmower. Andy then watched his

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father drive away onto Highway three twenty one, not realizing

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that it would be the last time he would see him.

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Friends who went to look at their cattle the next day,

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noticed Mike's truck parked at the end of his driveway

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with its windows down, the trailer containing the mowers still attached. Apparently,

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Mike would normally park his vehicle at the end of

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the road to load and unload the trailer. Mike's parents,

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who live at an adjacent property, went to his house

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the next day, but did not go inside or knock

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on the door. On Monday morning, Mike's parents returned to

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his house, only to discover that his truck was still

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parked in the same spot. Concerned, they entered the house

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but found no sign A search of the surrounding property ensued,

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but failed to produce any trace of Michael. His keys,

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cell phone, money clip which contained credit cards, his license

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and cash, and a gun were found inside the truck.

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that one of their father's four wheelers was missing. His

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neighbors informed the family that Herein had been seen writing

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his ATV on the road near his house on the

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day that he disappeared. In fact, they waved at one

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another as he'd worried that he could have been involved

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in the accident. His son spent the remainder of the

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day searching all seventy five acres of their father's property.

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they contacted the Blunt County Sheriff's Department and filed a

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missing person report. According to investigators, they conducted an extensive

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two week search in the area. Nearly every agency available

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was out looking for Michael. This included the National Park Service,

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Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency, the Sheriff's office, and a specialized

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team that does recovery operations in mountainous terrain. Bloodhounds were

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also brought out, but there was a two to three

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day period during the search where it rained heavily, making

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in the case was found when Mike's ATV was located

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roughly a mile from his house. On Bell Branch Road

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in a series of bushes. It was not wrecked or damaged,

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speaking of physical evidence at the scene, or the lack thereof,

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outside of the four wheeler parked in the bushes, and

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strangely enough, with its ignition, he still in the on position.

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No footprints, no bits of torn clothing, no obvious trails

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through the undergrowth, No blood, tissue or bones were found.

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In fact, nothing indicating Michael Heron had even been there,

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much less pointed to a direction of departure. The ATV

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was in a rural area near a cabin. It was

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off the road about twenty five or thirty yards. The

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cabin were searched, along with the surrounding area, but no

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additional clues were uncovered. Investigators in the family are on

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record stating that they personally do not feel as though

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he had put the four wheeler there, nor would he

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back it into some bushes. It was not on property

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here and owned, or on a road that he frequented.

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Throughout the course of the investigation, nearly two hundred people

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were interviewed, but they were unable to find any other

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case that anyone had a grudge against him. To this day,

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there is no concrete evidence suggesting what happened to Mike.

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Officials have stated, we have no evidence pointing toward a

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criminal act, and that is our biggest problem. It is

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a very bizarre situation. You always second guess yourself, especially

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in a case like this. There are so many possibilities

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to go with, and your mind is always moving and wondering,

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thinking about what you have done and what you could

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have done Differently. While researching this case, I happened across

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some interesting formalizations well more like conspiracy theories really. For instance,

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one in particular alluded to law enforcement knowing the location

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of Michael Heran's body. Apparently they believe Michael went missing

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in a suspected drug deal gone bad, or by stumbling

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across an embedded potfarm, which according to some individuals, is

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a popular operation by Tennessee sheriffs. For the record, I

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do not se subscribed to the belief that law enforcement

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has done anything wrong or is involved criminally in any way.

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I believe it is worth mentioning. Also worth mentioning is

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the correlation to the missing four one one cases that

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he disappeared essentially in his backyard without a trace, just

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outside of an identified cluster region near the Great Smoky.

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Speaker 3: Mountains National Park. Hmm.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, Heron's family continues to seek out answers to the

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mystery of his disappearance. A statement by his family truly

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describes Mike and their feelings concerning his disappearance. They have said,

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there are so many things I think of when I

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think of Mike, and I am so thankful that they

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are good things, but I do feel our family has

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been cheated out of many memories we should have with him.

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Mike talked about looking forward to becoming a grandfather and

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things he wanted to do with his future grandchildren. It

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breaks my heart to think of how he would have

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been with grandkids and what he would have brought to

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their lives.

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Speaker 3: It's just not fair or right.

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Speaker 5: Our family wonders every day what has happened to him,

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and we miss.

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Speaker 3: Him very much.

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Speaker 5: It is something we will continue to struggle with, but

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we are not giving up hope. We know someone out

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there knows something about his whereabouts, and we hope that

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they will come forward with this information. Michael Edwin Heron

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is described as a white male five feet ten inches tall,

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weighing one hundred and eighty five pounds with dark brown

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hair and hazel eyes. He was last an wearing khaki

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cargo shorts, a faded red T shirt, and sandals. A

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thirty five thousand dollars reward is being offered for information

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that leads to finding out what happened to him. Anyone

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with information is asked to contact with the Blunt County

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Sheriff's Department at eight six five two seven three five

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zero zero one, or you can contact a twenty four

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Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to hear your thoughts of this situation and

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the disappearance of Michael Heran.

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Speaker 3: Make certain to like and.

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Speaker 5: Subscribe, and do me a favor and share this video

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while you are at it. It really helps folks. Make

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certain too follow us via Twitter and Facebook. Leaks are

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Speaker 4: All right, man, I have been really curious about what

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you think what you've gathered over these last few days

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that you've been looking in start us off, man, what

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do you think about this whole situation?

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Speaker 7: So I have a really pattern I'm I'm told i'll

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can get to a pattern recognition, and I started. I

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can't control it. I started looking at this and just

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all the details, because everybody knows the meat potatoes of this.

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You know, everybody knows when it happened, where it happened.

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But I got to notice some things. Like they love

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to say, you know every one of these cases. You know,

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we all do the big foot stuff. Everyone that I

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grew up hunting, fishing, And my dude, you worked in town.

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You're not like Grizzly. You're not Jeremiah Johnson. Everybody he

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has a condo. For God's sake, I'm not. I'm first

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of all, I just want to say I don't enjoy

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I'm not making light of this guy. And his kids

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are really care about him. I watched some of their

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interviews too, so I've got some The red flag I

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talked about yesterday is the kill switch on the four wheeler. Yeah,

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the biggest red flag. And nobody got it right, none

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of these city folks that who reported on this thing. No, no, what.

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I used to have this four whee. I used to

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have the four wheeler similar to the next model up.

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And they say high gear. I think I think Black

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Mass Paranormal one of the videos I sent you. He

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thought it had a clutch on it, like a like

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a racing four wheel He was talking about clutch. So

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I went home, like, did you have like aya, I'm

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a hall raptor or something. I was a wolverine. So

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I'm looking at wolverines and really getting into weeds here.

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This is gonna be crazy.

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Speaker 4: We a lot crazy, Yeah, you see it.

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Speaker 7: So this happened, And this happened in O eight and

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they said it was a new his new four wheeler.

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So the Wolverine and O five was a five speed

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on the floor, you know, with a little foot shift,

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but in two thousand and six fully automatic, just like

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my Grizzly was. And so I was thinking that maybe

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it was. I didn't I didn't realize that. I first

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started digging that it was a new, new, new, and

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so I and I said, oh five, when I started

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googling if I maybe had a three year old four wheeler,

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you know, and it was manual shift, do I got

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to looking at great at those models after the after

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the boys said it was a new four wheeler missing

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and sure enough fully automatic, okay, And so that would

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be it. Has it has It looks like a gear

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shift in the Toyota Tacoma, the the Yamahall shifter. It's

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got it. It's got a neutral, it's got reverse and

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up low high, just real, real, real short shift. You

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just just hold, hold the break down and move it.

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I don't know, I'm fast forward in the end. I

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don't know how they got to the four wheeler, how

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they got him off the four wheeler. But whoever, whoever

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did it had never driven us before. I had never

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actively on myth.

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Speaker 4: Now what, Bobby, what's the deal with the kill switch?

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I mean, I've heard people talk about liking it to uh.

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I used to ride sea Is and you've got a

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little wristband connected, you know, with a little kill switch

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where if you fall off, your seed is not going

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to keep going, it's going to kill the engine.

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Speaker 7: It's not the same.

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Speaker 4: It's not the same.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't it works the same. It's the same principle,

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but it's like this spittle. It looks like a big

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light switch. It's like the size of your pinky finger.

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And it's on your dash next year, I say dash,

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But you know the handlebars, yeah, of a four wheel

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were just it's right next to the ignition. Get your

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little yamahaw key.

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Speaker 4: So you have to physically push it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's almost almost. You have to pull it

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up and kind of spring load it in to lock

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it in. It'll come up and spring load it just

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real little. I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's so if you are to fall off go in

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twenty miles an hour, take a curve too sharp and

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fly off, your four whel is going to keep going?

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Speaker 7: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so well it's not.

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Speaker 7: They're not. They're not going to keep going going. It's

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gonna stop after momentum because once you once you let

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off the gas of those four wheelers, they're just kind

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of slow and they don't idle like a car. When

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you put it in.

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Speaker 4: Drive, the engine will stay running.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've fallen off of mine when he walked back

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up to it. But but the kill swich, no one

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uses the kill switch. And I'll tell you how big.

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And it's the size of a ballpoint pins lid. It

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sit on your dash sits like this, just it sits

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down flush and you gotta and it has a spring

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on it kind of springing up and it locks in

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a place. And so and so I wrote, right, and

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forwards nobody uses them.

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Speaker 4: The kill switch was a was it initiated on this?

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Speaker 7: Yeah it was. It was set up so he couldn't crank,

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okay with the key was on and it was still

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in the high gear. It was basically a car in

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dry with a key on and the gas tank had

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no access, couldn't wouldn't crank for nothing. So it tells

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me whoever did it had no idea what they were doing.

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I don't know, like it's it's rocky my brain because

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I want to think like it's some whoever had it

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was I want to say, I keep saying city person,

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but somebody who's no experience in four wheelers at all. Yeah,

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And they were just hitting everything they could and they

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flipped that up and tried to crank it and just

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like nothing that would do. If he put it in neutral,

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it wouldn't work. And that's why it was sideways back then,

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like I smushed, like get it out here?

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Speaker 4: Could it have rolled to that? Okay? So let me

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let me throw this out there because you already mentioned

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where we're both bigfoot guys and we wouldn't be doing

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our shows justice if we didn't at least explore this theory.

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Oh yeah, we've heard so many times countless place how

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fast these things supposedly are about big clot What is

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it a possibility that he sees one out there and

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he's trying to get away and this thing catches up

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to him and jerks him off of it and the

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four wheeler comes to rest at the spot.

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Speaker 7: I think it was back being sideways, likely into the bush.

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I mean, anything is possible with the big foot. I mean,

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but the fact that the kill switch was on, and

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it was on is that's it's the it's not the

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smoking gun, but it's like, man, somebody that you're not

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unless he came over the handlebars and it like his

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pants turned that thing on. Yeah, it's it's it's racked

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my brain. It feels my here's my theory. Spoiler alert.

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It's inside job. Yeah, it's it's somebody in that area

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knows what happened.

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Speaker 4: Now say inside job, you mean like town folk or

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I'm talking.

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Speaker 7: Have you looked at the area it happened in where

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it happened a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: It bothers me that they say borders the Smoky Mountains

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because it I mean it does. But like there's a

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whole other community behind the road he got he went

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missing on. His foiler was found on m hmm.

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Speaker 4: There's only one road in and one road out, right.

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Speaker 7: Well he didn't he didn't go missing on Bell Branch.

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He went missing on Happy Valley Loop. Okay, you want

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to share this, Yeah, you can visual aids. Yeah, I

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gotta pull. I was doing stuff today. I had. I

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got two monitors at work, so I got plenty of time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean people that listen to the podcast aren't

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gonna be able to see it, but we can talk

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about it.

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Speaker 7: It'll make it better for us to talk about it anyway.

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So over here, first of all, let me scroll all

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the way out. You see where those little things are,

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the little pins, Yeah, that's this is Cade's Cove. He

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is a crow fly from Kid's Cove. Yeah, not like

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six miles with how Faria is. Yeah, And if you

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scroll in, there are hiking trails everywhere. Like they say,

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there's one way in. There's people can come through here,

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and if you can walk five miles you can get there.

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And there's backcountry ca. I don't know how it was

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seventeen years ago, but it couldn't have been much different.

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The trailers were still.

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Speaker 4: There at least stay tuned for more. But the big flip,

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we're bored. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 7: So that's a huge rep. That's not a red flag.

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That's a huge like like, well, nobody could get there

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one way into holler Folk. I'm like, Okay, anybody access

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to CAD's cove can get in if they wanted to,

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if they had a reason.

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Speaker 4: That's true, That's very true.

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Speaker 7: It's sick. If you take like your little thumb and

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do the little mile indicator there, it's about six the most,

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and if you count the little twist and turns. But

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but yeah, that's that's kind of anecdotal when it comes

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to so you go back. So homeboys, homeboys house is

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right here at the very end of Bell Branch, Okay,

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I mean, and that's like they say, one way in,

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one way out. But that's not where he was found.

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Where was Rady he was found.

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Speaker 4: Or the ATV was found up here. That's a good

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distance from his house.

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Speaker 7: It's a it's a they keep saying a mile. I

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think it makes them feel good. I think it makes

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them feel good. It's it's exactly a mile from here

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to his house.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a crow flies. Okay, but at the same time,

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there's there's nothing on that road. It's it's that it's

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like the link of that road that we went on

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from the main road at LBL to the campground. Yeah,

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it's like that long and but like people have sold

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it off and there's nice houses on a couple of

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nice houses on it now. But there's they said he

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was a found in an abandoned next to an abandoned

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cabin on a steep part of it, about one hundred

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feet off the road thirty yards. Yeah, and there's here's

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here's another interesting thing that's anecdotal at best. If you

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take your little dude, there's a spot right here where

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we won't drop. I want to drop. Yeah, I want

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to drop right there that out of the whole place

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you think the Google car turned around went the other way.

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I saw Wait a minute, and it just happens to

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be a steep area next to an old abandoned cabin.

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Who am I I'm just a red I'm just a

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redneck from Alabama that can't spell wow. Here's what. Here's

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what it drops next to an abandoned cabin. There it is,

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there's the it's real steep right there, nasty bushy, and

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there's an abandoned shed right there. But I don't that's

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not saying this where it is that nobody says where

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it is? But why want to drop?

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Speaker 4: What does that mean? It won't drop right there?

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Speaker 7: I mean it means the Google car technically didn't go there,

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but he did. He went fifty yards up.

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Speaker 4: I mean did his camera stop working? Those few things?

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Speaker 7: It could be, I mean, it could be, It could

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be a number of things. That's me like thinking, I'm

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looking for this particular thing on this particular road out

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of all all the gin joints, out of all the

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gin joints and all the places, Why the f happy

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no other place in Happy Valley Road does? It doesn't

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make any sense why that particular stretch of road. Maybe

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just an artifact and you can get to it from

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the other way, But that the court hair, as they

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call it, worth a happy Happy Valley loop. Yeah, on

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the road went missing.

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Speaker 4: On the road where he went missing next to an

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abandoned cabin on like an incline.

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Speaker 7: So here's here's his house, there's his bronco that was

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sitting there, still sitting there.

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Speaker 4: Wow, is that the same location? Well? They don't have

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the trailer attached to it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's his house. That's it. If you watch the

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w B I R video on it, they show it.

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But do you know who Grady Whitehead is? Yes, the

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last person that saw him alive. He lives in here,

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He lives over, He lives right there in this.

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Speaker 4: And he was a badass ranger.

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Speaker 7: He was like a green beree. He found like a

477
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,680
plane crash. Yeah, this is These are all white Heads houses,

478
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,519
and these are all there's a couple of last names,

479
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,160
but they're what's his name herein Yeah, a lot of

480
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,440
these houses are owed by white Heads. And I think

481
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,799
that anybody's done research on this knows this. So I'm

482
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,200
not like docks in them or anything. Yeah, but it

483
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,559
checked us out. So here's here's there. This is as

484
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:15,960
far as it goes on this road, which I think

485
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,279
it's causes private property. This is not. This will freak

486
00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:21,880
out too. So there's their mailboxes. And I don't know

487
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,680
how often you work Google Maps. You can you can

488
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,920
tick back and forth, like you go here, tust to

489
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,359
go right here. If you try to get close to

490
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,079
the mailboxes, you get sent fifteen yards and you can't

491
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,720
get close to those mailboxes get the numbers. I don't

492
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,920
know if that's on purpose, well, just.

493
00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 4: Be on purpose so that you can't get their address maybe,

494
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,640
I don't know. But they're sharing it on Google Earth,

495
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:45,680
so you'll find it.

496
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 7: I mean, but you can go. If I go up

497
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:52,200
here to this road, I can go. Yeah, that might be.

498
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,599
But it's just it's struck me funny that the one

499
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,319
place I wanted to go I couldn't. That's some piece

500
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,279
of information. They could have an algorithm that takes way

501
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,079
you know, p I like that best they can. Yeah,

502
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,200
but like the whole the whole narrative that you know

503
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,440
is up Begains the Smoky Mountains. Yes, there they are.

504
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,279
But like one way in, one way out, that's not

505
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:18,880
true for where he was found. It's a narrative people,

506
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,039
I can throw out there. There's this, there's this, there's

507
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:26,039
this campground area here, and you can get the hair

508
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,480
on them.

509
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,599
Speaker 4: I mean, it looks like there's more. There are several

510
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,119
ways for someone to get this man in and out

511
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,440
of there.

512
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 7: If you're the type of person who's gonna kill somebody

513
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,119
and remove them from the earth without any trace, there's

514
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,519
more than one way in, one way out. Yeah, if

515
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:44,240
you're if your modus operande included that as an option.

516
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:51,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's shift gears a little bit. Okay. So from

517
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:56,480
everything I've heard about Mike Karen, very successful business man.

518
00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:59,039
Speaker 7: All the red lags with him.

519
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: No, couple several people described him as the hardest working

520
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,440
individual they have ever known. You hear that often about him.

521
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,519
So he's going there to cut the grass. He drives

522
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,799
out of his way to get the lawnmower, brings it

523
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:16,279
all the way back, and when he gets there, you

524
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,359
mean to tell me this hard working man that's both

525
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,440
the successful business decides im, I'm not gonna work right now.

526
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,200
I'm gonna go ahead and take me a four wheel

527
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:28,440
ride real quick. No, the man saw something. Something happened

528
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,440
when he pulled up, because he got out, He jumped

529
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,440
out of his truck. He left his wallet, his money,

530
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,119
credit cards.

531
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

532
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,039
Speaker 4: They some report say his gun was left in the truck.

533
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 7: Cause his gun was in the on the dash or

534
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,079
on the console.

535
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 4: Okay, which is somewhere else that it was inside the house.

536
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's somebody somebody say gunning inside and I think

537
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,400
the I think the consensus is inside the truck.

538
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 4: So he left all of that mm hmm. You see

539
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:58,440
something like criminal was aren't you gonna and you're going

540
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,039
to investigate on your own? Aren't you taking your gun?

541
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 7: I've wondered that too. I'm like, why is that?

542
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:10,279
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, Bobby, this is my theory. Okay, hypothetical,

543
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,599
you live in the country, You come home on Saturday morning,

544
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,720
and again this was nine o'clock Saturday morning. Okay, if

545
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,200
you're breaking into somebody's house at nine o'clock on Saturday morning,

546
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,440
you're probably a crackhead and you're jones. You know, so, yeah,

547
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,559
it happens, you know, we know that. But Bobby, you hypothetically,

548
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:32,160
if you come home, you live in the country, and

549
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,000
you pull into your driveway and you see someone running

550
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:39,759
out of your home, they realize, oh shit, homeowners home,

551
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:42,839
I gotta go, and they run out. What do you do?

552
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 7: You chase after him?

553
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: You chase after him. Personally, I think about that, you

554
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,359
would chase after him because I would call the cops.

555
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 7: Oh, after they ran out of your house. I mean

556
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,000
like if I, yeah, definitely get the cops on the horn.

557
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 4: Yes they are running, Okay, they leave the house and

558
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:58,599
they run. Not you walked in on them. You pull

559
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,880
up and that oh shit, they and they come out

560
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,960
of the house and start running. You call the cops,

561
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,799
especially if it's some cracked out tweaker you know, and

562
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,720
what case would you not? In what case would you

563
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:11,640
go after them? If you knew them?

564
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 7: Maybe I'd go after him if they were moving vulnerably

565
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:18,119
or I knew that I could probably catch him and

566
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,079
follow them enough to get the tag number and call

567
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:20,559
the cops.

568
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 4: Well, I'm I'm talking about running on foot, Like.

569
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 7: If you came home and saw it and he just

570
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,079
did a sprint, Yes, I don't know. Yeah, I definitely

571
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,160
have to know him. If it's on foot. I wouldn't

572
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,279
chase a tweaker in the woods exactly.

573
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,759
Speaker 4: If you don't know tweaker on the woods, you don't

574
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,960
give chase. That's nobody would. But if you know him,

575
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:46,240
if it's a cousin that's messed up on drugs, if

576
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,400
it's an estranged uncle, you know, someone like that, you

577
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,440
don't want him to go to jail. You don't want

578
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,680
them to get in trouble.

579
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,839
Speaker 7: Like hey man, well knock you in the head, they

580
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,279
get back, tell you mama.

581
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 4: Maybe then you give chase and try to some sense

582
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:03,279
into him a good idea, okay, and what if there

583
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:05,480
is no talking sense into him when you get to him. Now, Again,

584
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:09,319
that's just a theory because nothing else makes sense. Nothing

585
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:12,039
makes sense. The man was hard working. He would not

586
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,079
have gotten there to mow the lawn and decide I'm

587
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,319
gonna go on a joy ride instead before i do

588
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,720
the work. No, he's going to do the work and

589
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:19,119
then he's going to go enjoy himself.

590
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 7: Yeah. The only other thing you can think of in

591
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,200
that same vein one of the other is like seeing

592
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,240
a woman. But he was divorced for seven years, so

593
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,400
he doesn't have to keep that a secret unless she does.

594
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,359
But still there'd be somebody else that had lead.

595
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,359
Speaker 4: You know, I've never thought about that. Was he seeing somebody?

596
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,759
Speaker 7: If it was, he's been divorce for seven years, doesn't

597
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:40,000
have to.

598
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,319
Speaker 4: Keep yeah, unless it's a certain person he's not supposed

599
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:43,599
to see.

600
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,519
Speaker 7: Yeah. His foot size was weird too. A foot size.

601
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what the hell is up with that inch

602
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,240
and a half inch and a half? I know a

603
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:51,400
size and a half smaller.

604
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 7: Well, a size is like an inch, isn't it.

605
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if it's measured in

606
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,559
inches or not.

607
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,559
Speaker 7: So the the timeline is at ten am. He passed

608
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,799
his son in the middle of Maryville on Highway two

609
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,799
thirty three twenty one, and he drove. It's fifteen miles away,

610
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,240
so we can assume twenty minutes, twenty five minutes, because

611
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,400
you got a cost to the switchbacks. What what kind

612
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,839
of throws a wet blanket on that tweaker thing, which

613
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,240
maybe he doesn't, maybe he does, but because he is.

614
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:21,160
He waved at Grady H. Whitehead as he left, kind

615
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,359
of cruising out. Yeah, as he left he saw Grady just.

616
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,359
Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, that throws at a bit of that away then, But.

617
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 7: He could have been I mean, that's one. That's the

618
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:32,960
only thing I could think of. But like I would,

619
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,160
I would like to know where he went.

620
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 4: Man, this this is weird.

621
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,359
Speaker 7: And am passed. He passed his son Andy in the

622
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,200
middle of a I keep wanting to say Hopkins, Kentucky

623
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,839
on the brain, but Marriville down by the cottage, you know.

624
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,079
And he had the he had the moer, he had

625
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:48,920
Andy's more and he parked the truck and mow at

626
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,000
into the driveway, went to the house, got on ATV,

627
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,200
waved to Grady's. He was leaving ATV told nowhere he's going.

628
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480
He caves alone. No one saw him after the wave

629
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:00,200
other than great.

630
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,599
Speaker 4: Now people talk about the he come up on something

631
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,559
he shouldn't have seen, and people talk about he found

632
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:11,400
an illegal grow. This is where if that's the case,

633
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,839
the police have to be involved, because if he found

634
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,160
the illegal grow, the hundreds of people that did the

635
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,400
search would have found the illegal grow.

636
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 7: The police wouldn't burn the damn thing in two days.

637
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 4: And it was raining that would have left sign, you know,

638
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,000
And plus it was raining, like you said, So if

639
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,000
there was an illegal grow, that means the police are

640
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:32,519
in on it.

641
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,799
Speaker 7: I just I keep pointing back almost. You know how

642
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,960
you can like smell something cooking from across the neighborhood,

643
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,920
and yet what is that smells good? And you like

644
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,119
Kingsfreud and barbecue, Kingsford and beef, and it's just like

645
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,680
I can smell a clue and I can't tell what

646
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,440
it is, Like it's there, like I can tell it's

647
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,119
in the dark. What is it? It's all like adding

648
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,599
up a little bit just around the circle and its

649
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,599
screened inside job. It screams, it screams.

650
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: That somebody out there knows something. I feel like, unlike

651
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,079
the Dennis Martin and maybe the Trinny Gibson, that this

652
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,400
one might end up being solved one day. Somebody knows

653
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,359
something somewhere and somebody's gonna talk. Do you remember I

654
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,920
was thinking, I don't know what. I think. I guess

655
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,720
just because of the ATV is what It reminds me

656
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,200
of this. But I'm sure you remember we were young

657
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,599
when those three ATV riders were killed on Signal Mountain?

658
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,000
Do you remember that there there was three wheelers, not

659
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,400
four wheelers. That's how long ago it was. They were

660
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,640
riding three wheelers up on either signal or a lookout

661
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,440
mountain and somebody killed them and they found their bodies

662
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,119
and it went like twenty something years without being solved.

663
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 7: I don't remember that, Okay.

664
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: Well it was really famous case around here, and you

665
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,440
don't you know, we don't live too far We don't

666
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,319
live too far away from.

667
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,759
Speaker 7: The Watch Chattanooga News for the first twenty years in the.

668
00:32:55,799 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: Line, Okay, but so yeah, that reminds me. It kind

669
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,960
of rids me of that, and it went unsolved for

670
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,319
so long, and you know how it ended up being cracked.

671
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,559
The person who did it got a divorce and his

672
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,720
wife was covering for him for all those years. And

673
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,720
you know that saying Hell has no fury like a

674
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,359
woman scorn.

675
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 7: She couldn't wait.

676
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,759
Speaker 4: She told on it as she could, so that when

677
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,279
I say that, I feel like there's someone out there

678
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,119
that knows something and eventually this one might get solved

679
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,519
unless it's scrypted related wit and really spent a whole

680
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:33,200
lot of time on that.

681
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 7: I just it doesn't screencrypted related it Like I went

682
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,960
that direction at first, I think, and maybe that kind

683
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,279
of thing happened. But man how to get up in

684
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:48,559
the woods and he was wearing uh they said no,

685
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,599
I said this earlier, but like the just the khaki

686
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,039
shorts and tevis, like he was not prepared to go

687
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,200
where he was not prepared to go anywhere long.

688
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: No, No, it was either just leisurely, I'm checking, I'm

689
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,519
going to take my new four wheeler for a twenty

690
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:09,800
minute stroll. When something happened or he had to leave

691
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,519
for some reason.

692
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, like it's where did I get ten am? I

693
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:15,559
watched on one of those I watched the.

694
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: I saw nine am.

695
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 7: That's probably about the same. It's either way, it's morning, Yeah,

696
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,800
and uh, he may mean he just got it. I

697
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,599
think the word was yeah. So maybe he pulled up

698
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:33,679
and saw it and wanted to kill some time. It

699
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,239
was probably a nice day. It was August warm, wasn't wasn't.

700
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 4: Cold, And he left everything in this truck, leading you

701
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:42,400
to believe that he was just gonna be gone for

702
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,920
a few minutes, you know. And he left the truck

703
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,960
parked at the end of the road, which wasn't typical,

704
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:53,719
they said, or at the end of the driveway, which

705
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,320
lends you to believe that he saw something.

706
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 7: Yeah. It all circles back to, like, well, what inspired

707
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:04,840
the movement? If you could find that out, Like it

708
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,000
seems so it seems so casual because I know, I

709
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,559
know what there's a full whether it needs to be ridden.

710
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:15,000
It looks like I've done that before, but I would

711
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:16,559
never do it like it was my last day on

712
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:20,519
earth kind of if everything's sitting, I mean, I mean,

713
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:22,559
I wouldn't care how far out of the country I would.

714
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,199
I'm still locking everything up like I'm in the middle

715
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,280
of the ghetto. Right Well, math exists. I don't care

716
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,320
what anybody says, like we don't lock our doors, you're

717
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,880
freaking better because you're gonna get robbed.

718
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,159
Speaker 4: Yeah. Them kind of places back there, that's pretty good

719
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,880
places to make it too, like where I grew up.

720
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 7: I mean it's I mean I wouldn't as backwood as that,

721
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,599
but I was out there.

722
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: Uh, Bobby, what do you think about feral people, because

723
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,800
we haven't touched on that, and that's something that I'm

724
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,239
really really interested in.

725
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 7: I think they probably exist. I don't know if they

726
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,119
exist in the capacity that we want them to. I

727
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,679
think they're probably just really really you know, nasty, dirty

728
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:03,639
folks live up in maybe a shock. I don't know

729
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:04,320
how to get food.

730
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,679
Speaker 4: Oh, I meant kill killed deer.

731
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they'd have to use a bowl, but

732
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:13,599
I don't know.

733
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: I think they would have to have some sort of,

734
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,840
you know, ability to access to the outside world for supplies,

735
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,199
you know.

736
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 7: I would think that they maybe can clean up a

737
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,199
little bit and go to town for some kind of Maybe

738
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,760
it's like a network.

739
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,039
Speaker 4: Over the That's that led me to remember that. I

740
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:42,719
screenshot a couple of comments and I sent them to you.

741
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,440
These comments from over on the Lower Lodge. A gentleman

742
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,280
over there, I've shared his stuff before, these things Ian

743
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,519
he does an amazing job over there, so go check

744
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:56,000
him out as well. But he covered this story and

745
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,039
did like a deep dive on it, and I was

746
00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:59,719
reading some of the comments and I found some that

747
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,199
were interesting. So I'm gonna go ahead and share the.

748
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,519
Speaker 7: Ones you sent me.

749
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:09,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, first one, Mike Karen is my mother's first cousin.

750
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:14,199
Mike's father and my mom's father are brothers. Our entire family,

751
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,920
beginning four generations, settled in Happy Valley. It's very close

752
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,400
to a large lake named Chilliwee Lake. I along with

753
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,639
most of our extended family, live in Maryville now just

754
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,199
because it's closer to the just because it's closer to

755
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:35,280
the grocery stores, jobs, banks, et cetera. The condo Mike

756
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,000
lived in was only a couple miles from my house.

757
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:43,159
His sons, my second cousins, spent tens of thousands of

758
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,679
dollars trying to find him. That were very close to

759
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,840
their dad, and we're devastated when he disappeared. One thing

760
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,920
I do know, Happy Valley people know each other. Not

761
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:59,079
that many people live there, and the ones that do

762
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,360
were born there. My point is, if a stranger had

763
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,159
come into the Happy Valley, if a stranger had come

764
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:11,519
into the valley, someone would have seen them. Our family

765
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,239
searched every inch of the area Mike disappeared from, and

766
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,280
there was absolutely no trace of him anywhere and hasn't

767
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,320
been since. If Grady Whitehead couldn't find him, he wasn't

768
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,639
going to be found. Our family still holds out hope

769
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,159
that one day he will be found. So and you

770
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,360
kind of tested on that the whole. If there was

771
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,760
a stranger there, someone would know because there's ways in

772
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,679
and out right.

773
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 7: And you see it. You see a car come through

774
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,719
the hey, car coming through, and somebody would have noted it.

775
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,920
They wouldn't be like throwing nails out or anything. But yeah,

776
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,920
if that happened, well, I saw a blue blazer come

777
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,079
through at ten am.

778
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, someone would notice that if someone that wasn't

779
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,639
supposed to be there was driving through. But like your

780
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,599
point earlier, what if someone had used these trails that

781
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,239
weren't connected, you know, to the road, Someone could have

782
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,360
come in that way, So I guess there's always that possibility.

783
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,599
Speaker 7: But then at the same time, those trails aren't connected

784
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:13,760
to the Happy Valley Loop. They had to go across

785
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,920
people's property to get to that unless they kept like

786
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,159
tree lines or something. I mean, there's there's ways. It's

787
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:20,480
not like impossible.

788
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 4: All right, let's uh, let's do another one here.

789
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,079
Speaker 7: I think somebody put them in a deep freeze for

790
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:27,599
like five years. Then.

791
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,199
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's terrible to think about.

792
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 7: It is It's that all the possibilities are awful.

793
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, we gotta gotta remember that he's still got two boys,

794
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,280
and yeah, that he's never met and they all love

795
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,960
their dad, their grandpa, and it's just terrible.

796
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:45,599
Speaker 7: Like i watch interviews with their sons and I'm just like,

797
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,639
oh my god, I can't because they still are working

798
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,280
for that company. They're still doing it.

799
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,559
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more, but the big Flipper Ford. We'll

800
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,760
be right back. All right, let's move on to the

801
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,519
next one. Sorry, sorry, now you're good late to the game.

802
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,360
But native Appalachian person here, my family has lived in

803
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,039
the mountains for as far back as we can trace,

804
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,559
one hundred percent. I can tell you that mountain people

805
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,440
aren't thought of as myth or anything like that. Here.

806
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,280
They are thought of as fact. But the story we

807
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,159
hear is more grounded in reality than what I've read online.

808
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:28,599
My grandmother let us play in the forest and at

809
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:32,679
the streets, et cetera my entire childhood. With little to

810
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,760
those supervision. We swam in the lakes and streams until dark,

811
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:42,480
and ran and biked all over this area, but we

812
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,159
were not allowed to approach the Appalachian Trail. The single

813
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,840
time I remember her going anywhere near the actual Appalachian Trail,

814
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,639
she was all over us. She made everyone hold hands.

815
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,480
We even went to the bathroom as a group. Everyone

816
00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:00,760
had to everyone had to sit around and for everyone

817
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,440
else to be done before we walked out. She was

818
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,239
the first of her family to live off of a reservation,

819
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,519
and she was adamant that the mountain men were absolutely

820
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:16,920
in the area and would absolutely carry off kids or

821
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,360
attack loan and loan adults, and had done it for

822
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,639
as long as her family could remember. Apparently that's what

823
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,360
everyone knew happened happened to her great uncle, and they

824
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,320
knew it was pointless to go any to do to

825
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,679
alert any form of police about it. Just an fyi

826
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,840
for what it's worth. Interesting as hell. And now what

827
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,800
she's calling mountain men is that feral people.

828
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 7: Maybe just like people that just lived there. I'll say

829
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,639
this that this story sounds just like missing for one one. Yeah,

830
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,440
nobody knows what happened to anybody like this, forget about it.

831
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the whole missing

832
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,960
one thing. It's just the dude, the dude that does it,

833
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:09,199
I'm not a fan of. Yeah, I just wish there

834
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,440
was a He twists everything, man, everything, he covers stuff that.

835
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,079
Like I covered this story, I can't. I apologize that

836
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:21,719
I can't remember the gentleman's name or a lot of

837
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,800
the specific that's been a couple of years. He was

838
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,480
out west Arizona. Maybe a guy was riding in the

839
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,199
mountains with his maybe brother and dad. There's three or

840
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,800
four of them in this truck. They were hunting. They

841
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,199
were all just ship face drunk, and dude see something

842
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,440
that hops out with his rifle and takes off running.

843
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,159
And then he gets lost and there's this huge search

844
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:46,239
and Platus plays it up like he was gone without

845
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,480
a trace, never to be heard from again. And six

846
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,239
days later his body was found floating face down in

847
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,639
a river twenty miles away. He had no way of

848
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:56,960
getting to well what he left out was. His body

849
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,920
was found full of bullet holes. I don't think Bigfoot

850
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,840
shot him. No, and there were reports of him being

851
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,480
of knocking on doors asking for help and people turning

852
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,960
him away. He was seen on camera at a seven

853
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,800
eleven or some gas station. Some Yeah, he just left

854
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,000
all that ship out so that it was it is.

855
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,920
I'm not a big foot guy, but I'm a bigfoot

856
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,599
guy now. So anyway, that's why I don't. I don't

857
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,760
put a whole lot of stock in a lot of

858
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,519
the stuff that he does, but he.

859
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 7: His job to make stuff like that kind of skews

860
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,079
it a little bit for you.

861
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 4: That's that's a lot though.

862
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I'm saying that. That's it kind of

863
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:40,840
makes you have to take things of the grain of

864
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,840
salt when somebody's making their living off off that kind

865
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:44,199
of thing.

866
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: That's true. That's true.

867
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 7: I'm like without a trace, we mean, without a trace.

868
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:52,599
He was on camera eating a slushy five days ago.

869
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,000
I got some other things here, let me find it, hear.

870
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:01,079
It kind of falls in that same vein, Yeah, because

871
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,679
I found the National Park Service reports for like the

872
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,880
last fifty years.

873
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: That Grady White had worked on the Dennis Martin case,

874
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,679
didn't he m h.

875
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 7: Right in the middle of his tenure.

876
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 4: He was a badass. He's still alive, right, I think so.

877
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,679
Speaker 7: I think he's still like registered as the property owner,

878
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:21,719
but I don't know if that matters.

879
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,559
Speaker 4: I saw him in an interview or I heard him

880
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:25,400
in an interview on a podcast not long ago. Y'all

881
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,960
go check him out, man. He is. He's a legend.

882
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 7: Man. He's like a somebody that Steven Spielberg was inspired

883
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,519
to write about kind of thing.

884
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: He had, the whole Dennis Martin thing. He believes he

885
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,800
knew where he was and wasn't allowed to go look

886
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,199
if I remember, because he smelt decomposition and he knew

887
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,280
the difference between the decaying body and the animal, and

888
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,519
he smelt it and told his superiors that it was

889
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,119
down in the area and said, nobody can get down there.

890
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:57,440
We've already been looked. It was a buzzard and that

891
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:01,599
wasn't that didn't smell a buzzard, you know. But by

892
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,000
the time he was able to go and look, there

893
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:03,480
was nothing.

894
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,039
Speaker 7: The total reports crime, the total incident reports in National

895
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,679
Park Service from like nineteen eighty two, it was like

896
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,199
twenty twenty three. I think like August had the most,

897
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:20,079
with seventy four incidents over that time period in July

898
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,280
sixty eight, June fifty six, September fifty two, that's just

899
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,519
total incidents. Somebody hit a cow, somebody drowned in a kayak,

900
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,639
and was also jim sing poaching.

901
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 4: Huge, Yes, it is huge. He catched somebody doing on

902
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,480
his property.

903
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's one of the big things. That was one

904
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,800
of the things that would be mentioned like in flyby comments. Okay,

905
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,760
it's that.

906
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:48,559
Speaker 4: If somebody shot him, what they would have found some blood.

907
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm just struggling. To me, I feel like

908
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,800
he was like stuffed in a sack.

909
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,159
Speaker 4: It had to have been like overpowered and carried onesome.

910
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:03,559
Speaker 7: Okay. So in that whole time period eighty three to

911
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:08,079
twenty twenty three, August had the most drug related or

912
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,800
marijuana related incidents. July had, August had twenty three, July

913
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,840
had seventeen, September had twelve.

914
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 4: So folks like to get high on the mountains in August.

915
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, And a lot of this I think correlates with

916
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:31,440
just the vacation season. I don't which which would also

917
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,840
support that's not saying well that was just vacationers. Well,

918
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,239
if a vacationer knocked him in ahead also and also

919
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,039
as far as crime between let's see what I say,

920
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:48,079
violent crime, theft, assault, robbery, burgley, larceny, car stealing. September

921
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,360
had the most fourteen, August had the most. August had

922
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,280
the next month eleven. So yeah, August and September, in

923
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,480
June and July are hot beds for schnnigan's and the smoking.

924
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:02,559
Speaker 4: Another issue I have with the whole tweaker, Uh, somebody

925
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:07,400
messed out, you know scenario, if you're dumb enough to

926
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,239
break it into a house at nine o'clock on a

927
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,280
Saturday morning, I don't really consider you enough of a

928
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,079
criminal mastermind to completely, you know, get rid of this

929
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:20,320
body and just wipe this person off the face of

930
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,000
the earth.

931
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,559
Speaker 7: You know. Yeah, it's the the My thing with the

932
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:27,639
math that would just be the handling of the four wheeler.

933
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:33,880
The rest of the situation doesn't speak to meth head. Yeah,

934
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,920
because whoever had that full wheeler did not know what

935
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,599
they were doing, and they'd never ridden one before, and

936
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:41,840
if they had, it was another one, another kind.

937
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:46,599
Speaker 4: So this more than likely happened somewhere else that they

938
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,440
don't know about. And these people stash that four wheeler.

939
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, they took it. They took it to Uh, I

940
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:56,880
don't know. I cannot figure out how the world it

941
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,239
got over there to where it was that and that's

942
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,119
that's the thing. You get right there, like, well, how

943
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:04,119
the hell do you get and they push it up

944
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:08,920
a steep embankment sideways. It took two of them. It's

945
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,719
a three fifty four wheeler. You can't just push one

946
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,559
up a hill. No, it's nearly full size. I mean,

947
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:15,320
the Grizzly I had was huge. I can't and yuy

948
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:21,159
and the Wolverine is not much smaller. It was up

949
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,719
up a steep embankment one hundred feet off the road.

950
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,039
Makes you wonder who which way he went and how

951
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:29,920
they got it over there.

952
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,119
Speaker 4: It's like they drove it until they couldn't drive it

953
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:34,199
anymore and just dashed it.

954
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:40,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why they would

955
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:43,119
put the kill switch on it unless they didn't know

956
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:44,519
how to start it and they were just doing everything

957
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:44,920
they could.

958
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's possible. I don't have a whole

959
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,760
lot of experience on four wheelers. I wouldn't know right

960
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,360
off the bat how to kill one unless somebody told me.

961
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I saw that kill switch thing, I was

962
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,280
locked in like I wasn't giving it a lot. I

963
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,840
was like, wait a minute, that's the biggest part of

964
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,239
the that's the biggest smoking gun. Because nobody writes full

965
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,360
Whittles ever uses the kill switch. There's no purpose in it.

966
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,079
I guess you can do the whole attach it to yourself.

967
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:11,960
I've never seen anybody do it. I don't know how you.

968
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:13,800
I don't even think there's a hole in it or anything.

969
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, this whole time, that's the assumption I've been working under.

970
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:21,159
It's just a similar to do or jet skid.

971
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 7: He flips it up and it holds the this little spring.

972
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,920
It kind of has a little rounded thing that pulls

973
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,199
the little stick up. I guess for the lack. I

974
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,800
don't know, because it holds it up. Yeah, I'll see

975
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,360
if I find a picture of it. But like no

976
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,159
one uses anytime. Anybody's ever use it's been like for fun. Yeah,

977
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,159
it's like kill switches on the idiot because no one

978
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:41,679
looks at it.

979
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:42,199
Speaker 1: All.

980
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 4: Right, Well, you got anything else you want to add.

981
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:47,119
I think we're at a pretty good point to close

982
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,039
it out because I mean, obviously man's never been found.

983
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:53,159
We don't have any answers just a couple of guys

984
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:54,280
giving their thoughts on it.

985
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,639
Speaker 7: There's a couple of guys messing around. Let me let

986
00:49:56,679 --> 00:50:00,840
me look at my my thing here. See, Charlie Project

987
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,880
has Charli Project had a lot. The thing. The crazy

988
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,760
thing about this is you've read four different things to

989
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,960
have four different details in it. Yeah, and like, well

990
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,440
which one was it? Like it said like you first

991
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,679
place you or mine wants to go? He was a contractor,

992
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,360
maybe just betting on a contract and somebody wanted to

993
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:22,599
get Nope, everybody loved him. Yeah, then like maybe had

994
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:26,400
an enemy. Nope, everybody loved him, and I believe him.

995
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,639
I don't think I had anything to do with that.

996
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,280
I think and.

997
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: I heard somewhere some guy was very sure of himself

998
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,320
talking about come on, guys, it's obvious he was in

999
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,519
the construction. He wasn't kicking up to the right people. Dude,

1000
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:42,679
This ain't fucking Manhattan, you know where. Hey, these aren't

1001
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:46,400
mobsters that you were having to kick up to, you know,

1002
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:49,800
to protect us on our block. No, I don't buy

1003
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,519
that for a second.

1004
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,119
Speaker 7: No, it's not like that. In Maryville, Tennessee, my dad's

1005
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,639
a contractor in North Alabama, it's not like that.

1006
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 4: Just is he kicking up to the right people, Bobby

1007
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:00,480
or you might.

1008
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 7: They would have to kick up to him. I had

1009
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,320
to guess I wouldn't want to. He will not leave

1010
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,159
his gun in the truck, his key, cell phone, money clip, guns,

1011
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:15,159
gribberalizes always on his dash. I mean, are just windows

1012
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,199
were down? And I want to know, did it rain

1013
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,599
in the truck? You roll the windows up?

1014
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:20,639
Speaker 4: You know they said it was.

1015
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 7: He goes back to show God, damn it. He just

1016
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,199
walks off hate these stupid kids. No, no, no suicide,

1017
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:33,360
no depression.

1018
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 4: No man had everything going for him.

1019
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 7: Mm hmm. Yeah. I just I think it was I

1020
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,079
think it was human. I think it was uh. I

1021
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,760
think the rain helped out a lot. Whoever did it

1022
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:49,000
think of hadd and rain, this wouldn't be a mystery.

1023
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,199
And uh. And I think that they, like I said,

1024
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:56,480
God forbid, put him in a deep freeze for like

1025
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,280
a week and let it die down, drove him out

1026
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,719
and drive him out in the back of a van.

1027
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:04,599
I think it was. I think it's not inside job.

1028
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:06,840
I think like the people in there, the Holler people

1029
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,880
know it. There's a there's a group of there's a

1030
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,039
group of people that live there that don't see they're

1031
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:15,280
not not only up and up, they're the false hog

1032
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:15,800
of the bunch.

1033
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, which makes me again say that I think this

1034
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,000
is one of those cases that will get solved one day.

1035
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,480
Somebody's gone that talk at some.

1036
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:29,119
Speaker 7: Point seventeen years though, my gosh, Yeah, somebody else, somebody's uh,

1037
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,079
I don't know, their house will get broke into and

1038
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:35,400
they'll find things like the criminal will find things. I

1039
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,920
had a friend who I worked with forever for forever

1040
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,679
for two or three years, and ten years later we

1041
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,320
find out he got busted because somebody broke into the

1042
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,719
Somebody broke into the storage unit light where he kept

1043
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,760
his enclosed trailer and found a bunch of illegal weapons.

1044
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,960
Oh yeah, And when the cops came to see that,

1045
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,400
they found all that and he got put in federal

1046
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,639
pound me in a prison. I think he got out

1047
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:01,920
by taking a plea deal. But he had a bunch

1048
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,280
of weapons. He was a E O D Bomb squad

1049
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,639
instructor and he could he would take a couple pieces

1050
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:09,960
of ordnance off the top he was. He was a

1051
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,840
firearm instructor too on the side, so you know, into

1052
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,599
the class and Hey, you want to throw a grenade?

1053
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,400
He had automatic weapons, all kinds of dynamite and everything.

1054
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 4: Damn uh, Bobby, remind everybody about your show if you're

1055
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,960
going to be doing anything, and just where they can

1056
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:28,480
find you.

1057
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,519
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'm they can find right now. It's at

1058
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:34,599
Bobby Dizzel dot com. But the Caffeinated Crypto podcast, they're

1059
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:37,960
on the screen, you know it caffeinated being like drinking

1060
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,679
a lot of coffee and talk smack. But I got

1061
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:43,519
a lot of stuff coming up. The h the audio

1062
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:45,800
portion of my podcast network is probably gonna be the

1063
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,199
least it's probably gonna be the least prioritized here coming

1064
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,320
up because I got some mini docs coming in in

1065
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,039
the podcast is gonna be updates to those talking about him.

1066
00:53:55,039 --> 00:53:57,159
So yeah, it's it's coming. It's gonna be fun coming up.

1067
00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,199
A lot of stuff happening. I even had marrible something.

1068
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,119
I was going to do it before this even happened,

1069
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,559
as a place I was going to visit and me

1070
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,679
and Wayne are going to go camping and for one

1071
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,199
of them, which is something which one yet.

1072
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 4: We need to get that on the books. Man, I

1073
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,199
need to get out there.

1074
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:15,119
Speaker 7: It's weird time. It's a weird time of year. This

1075
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,159
guy's either gonna freeze you or kill you.

1076
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 4: You're exactly right. It's freaking seventy something to grease today

1077
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:21,960
in Sanuary.

1078
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 7: And it'll be freezing on Saturday morning after the storm

1079
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:24,719
Trail three.

1080
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,039
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well we'll hit the teens next week that

1081
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:31,199
it rolls around here. But anyway, man, I appreciate you

1082
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,880
taking the time to come and hang out. This will

1083
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,719
not be the last time that you and I a

1084
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,519
lab on something we like. I kind of hinted with

1085
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:41,159
my short video last week. We have something in the

1086
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:44,679
works that we will be talking about pretty soon hopefully.

1087
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,559
But everybody out there, thank you guys so much for

1088
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,679
tuning in, and we will see you later. Bye.

1089
00:54:56,679 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 8: Food of the woods, the pine trees sway, shadows long

1090
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:09,840
at end of day weekfoots call on the whispering breathe

1091
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:18,000
Secrets kept by ancient trees. Dog Man House beneath the

1092
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:27,960
moon echoes in the silent too tracks we five, but

1093
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:43,559
answers none. A hunt for truth that's just begun. We're

1094
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:50,719
searching past the fire light. Four creatures hidden out of sight.

1095
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,639
Speaker 9: In the forest heart, where shadows.

1096
00:55:55,199 --> 00:56:00,679
Speaker 8: Lay, seeking secrets in the twilight great.

1097
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 9: Through the fall, A shaped di gly skin walker eyes.

1098
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:20,559
Speaker 8: Wide, Legends of Oh, we chase to night in the dark,

1099
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:23,079
our lanterns.

1100
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 9: Bright by the creek, quil water spill.

1101
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 8: Whispers rye, the windsow chill fullest, deep man tails on toll.

1102
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 9: In this land.

1103
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 10: The myths of O.

1104
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 9: We're searching past the fire light full creature's hidden, out

1105
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,360
of sight in the forest heart, where shadows

1106
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,679
Speaker 8: Lay, seeking seacrets in the twilight break