Speaker 1: I was listening to the story about It was the
story of a family in Washington and the little boy
called the big Foot the cowboy man, and he had
apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid.
And it hit me. My children were in that play
pen behind me with nothing but a mosquito net over them.
It could have crept up behind me and taken both
of my children and I wouldn't known.
Speaker 2: His father just got like a Mustang or something from Wyoming, Okay.
He had it out in the corral because he couldn't
put it in the barn with in the stalls with
the other horses.
Speaker 3: It would cake and made all the other horses nervous.
Speaker 4: At a seminal.
Speaker 2: Indian work in the horse trying to break it. Every
day they had it out in the corral. The skunky
snuck up behind this horse and grabbed it bon its
hind quarters. This particular horse that kicks out, jumps over
the corral, runs into the.
Speaker 5: Pan, you know, to get away.
Speaker 2: At this point, the ranchers out there just blessed away with.
Speaker 4: The dirty, dirty stun gave runs.
Speaker 5: It's in the swamp.
Speaker 6: I went up there one day after that or two
days after that, I went up there and sat in
the silence up there, and I'm telling you, man, it
was free. It was crazy, you know it was. There
was a crazy vibe up there.
Speaker 1: Still.
Speaker 6: I did what I could to kind of get things
under control. But I told her, I said, you need
to get off this property. I feel like, no matter
how strong you are, it's almos like standing in the ocean.
You can't stand still without moving your feet. You're going
to get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever,
you can't withstand a barrage of of weird spiritual energy.
Speaker 4: Well it's up, everybody, It's wine. Welcome back to the
Bigfoot Report.
Speaker 7: Go.
Speaker 4: We have a very special treat on this I guess
my second welcome back episode, the first full one. I
will not be doing it alone. I have a very
very special guest on here to help me tonight. If
you are at all familiar with the show, most of
you are, you have heard him before. What's up, mister
Bobby Dizzle?
Speaker 7: Hey, what's happening. It's kind of my welcome back to
I haven't done a ton in the last year. I
probably got more publicity by not doing anything, so I
keep my mouth shut. I get like a thousand more subs.
I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna not speak.
Speaker 4: I've noticed that too, man, that the Bigfoot reports that
has added some as well and still making a little
bit of revenue. So that's that's always nice.
Speaker 7: You want to hear something funny in that regard, Yes,
And I'm woo woo as they come, but also really
serious at the same time, so I can play both
both sides of my iron Man. But one time I
was like, it was like a quasi praye quasi talking
to the universe, and I said, what do you want
me to do? And in my brain I heard Alison
Krauss singing, you say it best and you say nothing
at all. I swear to god it happened. It played
like somebody had to play on a CD player in
my brain. At work, I was in a choir room.
I was just doing something else me to do in
that as far as this got up, Yeah, and do
you know what day it was? I found out like
an adelaide it was Keith Whitley's birthday. Oh wow, Okay,
now you're gonna nail the coffin in like cay, okay,
I won't do anything for a while, so I kind
of just stood back and sure enough stuff came to me.
There you go, Oh yeah, I'll shut up and stop talking,
all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: As I was talking the little teaser episode, I put out,
I do have a missing person's case that I wanted
to cover. And you and I have been talking about
this for a couple of weeks now. It's very very
well known. It's popular for our neck of the woods.
Happened in the Great Smoky Mountains or just outside of
the Smokey Mountains. But mister Mike Herron, we have never
covered him. And I find that hard to believe because
it's such a crazy interesting case and a lot of
people have. But you you been researching the hell out
of this case the last few days. I have been
the last few days, you know, putting this in preparation
of this show. And we both have a couple of
theories that we're going to discuss. But like always, like
I like to do on these, I like to play
a little video from someone else that's created it too,
that's covered the content, to kind of give you all
of the you know, the facts, you know that the
just about stuff, you know, cover everything. So I've got
that lined up right here, and that's what we are
going to do. It is from the dark side. He
does a really good job over there on YouTube. You
guys don't know about him, please go check him out
and give him a sub But yeah, if you're ready, man,
we're just gonna go ahead and start playing this video.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what's what's one more video about this? On the
heat hot.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 5: For nearly nine years, authorities in Tennessee have been investigating
the disappearance of a fifty two year old father who
vanished without a trace. Michael Heren's family described him as
an easy going and fun loving and individual. Born and
raised in East Tennessee, the third generation home builder, like
my father, actually had everything he wanted in life. Unfortunately,
that life took an unexpected turn in two thousand and eight.
On Saturday, August the twenty third, two thousand and eight,
Michael called his sons, Matt and Andy and informed them
that he was leaving his condo in Maryville, Tennessee, to
mow the lawn at a house he owned a nearby
Happy Valley, which is a community located in Blunt County, Tennessee,
just outside of the Great Smoky.
Speaker 3: Mountains National Park.
Speaker 5: Not long after placing the call, he went by Andy's
house to pick up his lawnmower. Andy then watched his
father drive away onto Highway three twenty one, not realizing
that it would be the last time he would see him.
Friends who went to look at their cattle the next day,
noticed Mike's truck parked at the end of his driveway
with its windows down, the trailer containing the mowers still attached. Apparently,
Mike would normally park his vehicle at the end of
the road to load and unload the trailer. Mike's parents,
who live at an adjacent property, went to his house
the next day, but did not go inside or knock
on the door. On Monday morning, Mike's parents returned to
his house, only to discover that his truck was still
parked in the same spot. Concerned, they entered the house
but found no sign A search of the surrounding property ensued,
but failed to produce any trace of Michael. His keys,
cell phone, money clip which contained credit cards, his license
and cash, and a gun were found inside the truck.
When Matt and Andy arrived at the house, they discovered
that one of their father's four wheelers was missing. His
neighbors informed the family that Herein had been seen writing
his ATV on the road near his house on the
day that he disappeared. In fact, they waved at one
another as he'd worried that he could have been involved
in the accident. His son spent the remainder of the
day searching all seventy five acres of their father's property.
When they were unable to locate him or his ATV,
they contacted the Blunt County Sheriff's Department and filed a
missing person report. According to investigators, they conducted an extensive
two week search in the area. Nearly every agency available
was out looking for Michael. This included the National Park Service,
Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency, the Sheriff's office, and a specialized
team that does recovery operations in mountainous terrain. Bloodhounds were
also brought out, but there was a two to three
day period during the search where it rained heavily, making
it hard for the dogs to pick up a scent.
Three days following his disappearance, the first and only clue
in the case was found when Mike's ATV was located
roughly a mile from his house. On Bell Branch Road
in a series of bushes. It was not wrecked or damaged,
speaking of physical evidence at the scene, or the lack thereof,
outside of the four wheeler parked in the bushes, and
strangely enough, with its ignition, he still in the on position.
No footprints, no bits of torn clothing, no obvious trails
through the undergrowth, No blood, tissue or bones were found.
In fact, nothing indicating Michael Heron had even been there,
much less pointed to a direction of departure. The ATV
was in a rural area near a cabin. It was
off the road about twenty five or thirty yards. The
cabin were searched, along with the surrounding area, but no
additional clues were uncovered. Investigators in the family are on
record stating that they personally do not feel as though
he had put the four wheeler there, nor would he
back it into some bushes. It was not on property
here and owned, or on a road that he frequented.
Throughout the course of the investigation, nearly two hundred people
were interviewed, but they were unable to find any other
case that anyone had a grudge against him. To this day,
there is no concrete evidence suggesting what happened to Mike.
Officials have stated, we have no evidence pointing toward a
criminal act, and that is our biggest problem. It is
a very bizarre situation. You always second guess yourself, especially
in a case like this. There are so many possibilities
to go with, and your mind is always moving and wondering,
thinking about what you have done and what you could
have done Differently. While researching this case, I happened across
some interesting formalizations well more like conspiracy theories really. For instance,
one in particular alluded to law enforcement knowing the location
of Michael Heran's body. Apparently they believe Michael went missing
in a suspected drug deal gone bad, or by stumbling
across an embedded potfarm, which according to some individuals, is
a popular operation by Tennessee sheriffs. For the record, I
do not se subscribed to the belief that law enforcement
has done anything wrong or is involved criminally in any way.
That certainly is an interesting take on the case, and
I believe it is worth mentioning. Also worth mentioning is
the correlation to the missing four one one cases that
he disappeared essentially in his backyard without a trace, just
outside of an identified cluster region near the Great Smoky.
Speaker 3: Mountains National Park. Hmm.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, Heron's family continues to seek out answers to the
mystery of his disappearance. A statement by his family truly
describes Mike and their feelings concerning his disappearance. They have said,
there are so many things I think of when I
think of Mike, and I am so thankful that they
are good things, but I do feel our family has
been cheated out of many memories we should have with him.
Mike talked about looking forward to becoming a grandfather and
things he wanted to do with his future grandchildren. It
breaks my heart to think of how he would have
been with grandkids and what he would have brought to
their lives.
Speaker 3: It's just not fair or right.
Speaker 5: Our family wonders every day what has happened to him,
and we miss.
Speaker 3: Him very much.
Speaker 5: It is something we will continue to struggle with, but
we are not giving up hope. We know someone out
there knows something about his whereabouts, and we hope that
they will come forward with this information. Michael Edwin Heron
is described as a white male five feet ten inches tall,
weighing one hundred and eighty five pounds with dark brown
hair and hazel eyes. He was last an wearing khaki
cargo shorts, a faded red T shirt, and sandals. A
thirty five thousand dollars reward is being offered for information
that leads to finding out what happened to him. Anyone
with information is asked to contact with the Blunt County
Sheriff's Department at eight six five two seven three five
zero zero one, or you can contact a twenty four
hour our Crime Hotline at eight six five two seventy
three fifty two thirty three.
Speaker 3: Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 5: I'd love to hear your thoughts of this situation and
the disappearance of Michael Heran.
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Speaker 4: All right, man, I have been really curious about what
you think what you've gathered over these last few days
that you've been looking in start us off, man, what
do you think about this whole situation?
Speaker 7: So I have a really pattern I'm I'm told i'll
can get to a pattern recognition, and I started. I
can't control it. I started looking at this and just
all the details, because everybody knows the meat potatoes of this.
You know, everybody knows when it happened, where it happened.
But I got to notice some things. Like they love
to say, you know every one of these cases. You know,
we all do the big foot stuff. Everyone that I
grew up hunting, fishing, And my dude, you worked in town.
You're not like Grizzly. You're not Jeremiah Johnson. Everybody he
has a condo. For God's sake, I'm not. I'm first
of all, I just want to say I don't enjoy
I'm not making light of this guy. And his kids
are really care about him. I watched some of their
interviews too, so I've got some The red flag I
talked about yesterday is the kill switch on the four wheeler. Yeah,
the biggest red flag. And nobody got it right, none
of these city folks that who reported on this thing. No, no, what.
I used to have this four whee. I used to
have the four wheeler similar to the next model up.
And they say high gear. I think I think Black
Mass Paranormal one of the videos I sent you. He
thought it had a clutch on it, like a like
a racing four wheel He was talking about clutch. So
I went home, like, did you have like aya, I'm
a hall raptor or something. I was a wolverine. So
I'm looking at wolverines and really getting into weeds here.
This is gonna be crazy.
Speaker 4: We a lot crazy, Yeah, you see it.
Speaker 7: So this happened, And this happened in O eight and
they said it was a new his new four wheeler.
So the Wolverine and O five was a five speed
on the floor, you know, with a little foot shift,
but in two thousand and six fully automatic, just like
my Grizzly was. And so I was thinking that maybe
it was. I didn't I didn't realize that. I first
started digging that it was a new, new, new, and
so I and I said, oh five, when I started
googling if I maybe had a three year old four wheeler,
you know, and it was manual shift, do I got
to looking at great at those models after the after
the boys said it was a new four wheeler missing
and sure enough fully automatic, okay, And so that would
be it. Has it has It looks like a gear
shift in the Toyota Tacoma, the the Yamahall shifter. It's
got it. It's got a neutral, it's got reverse and
up low high, just real, real, real short shift. You
just just hold, hold the break down and move it.
I don't know, I'm fast forward in the end. I
don't know how they got to the four wheeler, how
they got him off the four wheeler. But whoever, whoever
did it had never driven us before. I had never
actively on myth.
Speaker 4: Now what, Bobby, what's the deal with the kill switch?
I mean, I've heard people talk about liking it to uh.
I used to ride sea Is and you've got a
little wristband connected, you know, with a little kill switch
where if you fall off, your seed is not going
to keep going, it's going to kill the engine.
Speaker 7: It's not the same.
Speaker 4: It's not the same.
Speaker 7: It doesn't it works the same. It's the same principle,
but it's like this spittle. It looks like a big
light switch. It's like the size of your pinky finger.
And it's on your dash next year, I say dash,
But you know the handlebars, yeah, of a four wheel
were just it's right next to the ignition. Get your
little yamahaw key.
Speaker 4: So you have to physically push it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's almost almost. You have to pull it
up and kind of spring load it in to lock
it in. It'll come up and spring load it just
real little. I mean.
Speaker 4: It's so if you are to fall off go in
twenty miles an hour, take a curve too sharp and
fly off, your four whel is going to keep going?
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Okay, so well it's not.
Speaker 7: They're not. They're not going to keep going going. It's
gonna stop after momentum because once you once you let
off the gas of those four wheelers, they're just kind
of slow and they don't idle like a car. When
you put it in.
Speaker 4: Drive, the engine will stay running.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've fallen off of mine when he walked back
up to it. But but the kill swich, no one
uses the kill switch. And I'll tell you how big.
And it's the size of a ballpoint pins lid. It
sit on your dash sits like this, just it sits
down flush and you gotta and it has a spring
on it kind of springing up and it locks in
a place. And so and so I wrote, right, and
forwards nobody uses them.
Speaker 4: The kill switch was a was it initiated on this?
Speaker 7: Yeah it was. It was set up so he couldn't crank,
okay with the key was on and it was still
in the high gear. It was basically a car in
dry with a key on and the gas tank had
no access, couldn't wouldn't crank for nothing. So it tells
me whoever did it had no idea what they were doing.
I don't know, like it's it's rocky my brain because
I want to think like it's some whoever had it
was I want to say, I keep saying city person,
but somebody who's no experience in four wheelers at all. Yeah,
And they were just hitting everything they could and they
flipped that up and tried to crank it and just
like nothing that would do. If he put it in neutral,
it wouldn't work. And that's why it was sideways back then,
like I smushed, like get it out here?
Speaker 4: Could it have rolled to that? Okay? So let me
let me throw this out there because you already mentioned
where we're both bigfoot guys and we wouldn't be doing
our shows justice if we didn't at least explore this theory.
Oh yeah, we've heard so many times countless place how
fast these things supposedly are about big clot What is
it a possibility that he sees one out there and
he's trying to get away and this thing catches up
to him and jerks him off of it and the
four wheeler comes to rest at the spot.
Speaker 7: I think it was back being sideways, likely into the bush.
I mean, anything is possible with the big foot. I mean,
but the fact that the kill switch was on, and
it was on is that's it's the it's not the
smoking gun, but it's like, man, somebody that you're not
unless he came over the handlebars and it like his
pants turned that thing on. Yeah, it's it's it's racked
my brain. It feels my here's my theory. Spoiler alert.
It's inside job. Yeah, it's it's somebody in that area
knows what happened.
Speaker 4: Now say inside job, you mean like town folk or
I'm talking.
Speaker 7: Have you looked at the area it happened in where
it happened a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It bothers me that they say borders the Smoky Mountains
because it I mean it does. But like there's a
whole other community behind the road he got he went
missing on. His foiler was found on m hmm.
Speaker 4: There's only one road in and one road out, right.
Speaker 7: Well he didn't he didn't go missing on Bell Branch.
He went missing on Happy Valley Loop. Okay, you want
to share this, Yeah, you can visual aids. Yeah, I
gotta pull. I was doing stuff today. I had. I
got two monitors at work, so I got plenty of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean people that listen to the podcast aren't
gonna be able to see it, but we can talk
about it.
Speaker 7: It'll make it better for us to talk about it anyway.
So over here, first of all, let me scroll all
the way out. You see where those little things are,
the little pins, Yeah, that's this is Cade's Cove. He
is a crow fly from Kid's Cove. Yeah, not like
six miles with how Faria is. Yeah, And if you
scroll in, there are hiking trails everywhere. Like they say,
there's one way in. There's people can come through here,
and if you can walk five miles you can get there.
And there's backcountry ca. I don't know how it was
seventeen years ago, but it couldn't have been much different.
The trailers were still.
Speaker 4: There at least stay tuned for more. But the big flip,
we're bored. We'll be right back.
Speaker 7: So that's a huge rep. That's not a red flag.
That's a huge like like, well, nobody could get there
one way into holler Folk. I'm like, Okay, anybody access
to CAD's cove can get in if they wanted to,
if they had a reason.
Speaker 4: That's true, That's very true.
Speaker 7: It's sick. If you take like your little thumb and
do the little mile indicator there, it's about six the most,
and if you count the little twist and turns. But
but yeah, that's that's kind of anecdotal when it comes
to so you go back. So homeboys, homeboys house is
right here at the very end of Bell Branch, Okay,
I mean, and that's like they say, one way in,
one way out. But that's not where he was found.
Where was Rady he was found.
Speaker 4: Or the ATV was found up here. That's a good
distance from his house.
Speaker 7: It's a it's a they keep saying a mile. I
think it makes them feel good. I think it makes
them feel good. It's it's exactly a mile from here
to his house.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a crow flies. Okay, but at the same time,
there's there's nothing on that road. It's it's that it's
like the link of that road that we went on
from the main road at LBL to the campground. Yeah,
it's like that long and but like people have sold
it off and there's nice houses on a couple of
nice houses on it now. But there's they said he
was a found in an abandoned next to an abandoned
cabin on a steep part of it, about one hundred
feet off the road thirty yards. Yeah, and there's here's
here's another interesting thing that's anecdotal at best. If you
take your little dude, there's a spot right here where
we won't drop. I want to drop. Yeah, I want
to drop right there that out of the whole place
you think the Google car turned around went the other way.
I saw Wait a minute, and it just happens to
be a steep area next to an old abandoned cabin.
Who am I I'm just a red I'm just a
redneck from Alabama that can't spell wow. Here's what. Here's
what it drops next to an abandoned cabin. There it is,
there's the it's real steep right there, nasty bushy, and
there's an abandoned shed right there. But I don't that's
not saying this where it is that nobody says where
it is? But why want to drop?
Speaker 4: What does that mean? It won't drop right there?
Speaker 7: I mean it means the Google car technically didn't go there,
but he did. He went fifty yards up.
Speaker 4: I mean did his camera stop working? Those few things?
Speaker 7: It could be, I mean, it could be, It could
be a number of things. That's me like thinking, I'm
looking for this particular thing on this particular road out
of all all the gin joints, out of all the
gin joints and all the places, Why the f happy
no other place in Happy Valley Road does? It doesn't
make any sense why that particular stretch of road. Maybe
just an artifact and you can get to it from
the other way, But that the court hair, as they
call it, worth a happy Happy Valley loop. Yeah, on
the road went missing.
Speaker 4: On the road where he went missing next to an
abandoned cabin on like an incline.
Speaker 7: So here's here's his house, there's his bronco that was
sitting there, still sitting there.
Speaker 4: Wow, is that the same location? Well? They don't have
the trailer attached to it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's his house. That's it. If you watch the
w B I R video on it, they show it.
But do you know who Grady Whitehead is? Yes, the
last person that saw him alive. He lives in here,
He lives over, He lives right there in this.
Speaker 4: And he was a badass ranger.
Speaker 7: He was like a green beree. He found like a
plane crash. Yeah, this is These are all white Heads houses,
and these are all there's a couple of last names,
but they're what's his name herein Yeah, a lot of
these houses are owed by white Heads. And I think
that anybody's done research on this knows this. So I'm
not like docks in them or anything. Yeah, but it
checked us out. So here's here's there. This is as
far as it goes on this road, which I think
it's causes private property. This is not. This will freak
out too. So there's their mailboxes. And I don't know
how often you work Google Maps. You can you can
tick back and forth, like you go here, tust to
go right here. If you try to get close to
the mailboxes, you get sent fifteen yards and you can't
get close to those mailboxes get the numbers. I don't
know if that's on purpose, well, just.
Speaker 4: Be on purpose so that you can't get their address maybe,
I don't know. But they're sharing it on Google Earth,
so you'll find it.
Speaker 7: I mean, but you can go. If I go up
here to this road, I can go. Yeah, that might be.
But it's just it's struck me funny that the one
place I wanted to go I couldn't. That's some piece
of information. They could have an algorithm that takes way
you know, p I like that best they can. Yeah,
but like the whole the whole narrative that you know
is up Begains the Smoky Mountains. Yes, there they are.
But like one way in, one way out, that's not
true for where he was found. It's a narrative people,
I can throw out there. There's this, there's this, there's
this campground area here, and you can get the hair
on them.
Speaker 4: I mean, it looks like there's more. There are several
ways for someone to get this man in and out
of there.
Speaker 7: If you're the type of person who's gonna kill somebody
and remove them from the earth without any trace, there's
more than one way in, one way out. Yeah, if
you're if your modus operande included that as an option.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's shift gears a little bit. Okay. So from
everything I've heard about Mike Karen, very successful business man.
Speaker 7: All the red lags with him.
Speaker 4: No, couple several people described him as the hardest working
individual they have ever known. You hear that often about him.
So he's going there to cut the grass. He drives
out of his way to get the lawnmower, brings it
all the way back, and when he gets there, you
mean to tell me this hard working man that's both
the successful business decides im, I'm not gonna work right now.
I'm gonna go ahead and take me a four wheel
ride real quick. No, the man saw something. Something happened
when he pulled up, because he got out, He jumped
out of his truck. He left his wallet, his money,
credit cards.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: They some report say his gun was left in the truck.
Speaker 7: Cause his gun was in the on the dash or
on the console.
Speaker 4: Okay, which is somewhere else that it was inside the house.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's somebody somebody say gunning inside and I think
the I think the consensus is inside the truck.
Speaker 4: So he left all of that mm hmm. You see
something like criminal was aren't you gonna and you're going
to investigate on your own? Aren't you taking your gun?
Speaker 7: I've wondered that too. I'm like, why is that?
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, Bobby, this is my theory. Okay, hypothetical,
you live in the country, You come home on Saturday morning,
and again this was nine o'clock Saturday morning. Okay, if
you're breaking into somebody's house at nine o'clock on Saturday morning,
you're probably a crackhead and you're jones. You know, so, yeah,
it happens, you know, we know that. But Bobby, you hypothetically,
if you come home, you live in the country, and
you pull into your driveway and you see someone running
out of your home, they realize, oh shit, homeowners home,
I gotta go, and they run out. What do you do?
Speaker 7: You chase after him?
Speaker 4: You chase after him. Personally, I think about that, you
would chase after him because I would call the cops.
Speaker 7: Oh, after they ran out of your house. I mean
like if I, yeah, definitely get the cops on the horn.
Speaker 4: Yes they are running, Okay, they leave the house and
they run. Not you walked in on them. You pull
up and that oh shit, they and they come out
of the house and start running. You call the cops,
especially if it's some cracked out tweaker you know, and
what case would you not? In what case would you
go after them? If you knew them?
Speaker 7: Maybe I'd go after him if they were moving vulnerably
or I knew that I could probably catch him and
follow them enough to get the tag number and call
the cops.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm I'm talking about running on foot, Like.
Speaker 7: If you came home and saw it and he just
did a sprint, Yes, I don't know. Yeah, I definitely
have to know him. If it's on foot. I wouldn't
chase a tweaker in the woods exactly.
Speaker 4: If you don't know tweaker on the woods, you don't
give chase. That's nobody would. But if you know him,
if it's a cousin that's messed up on drugs, if
it's an estranged uncle, you know, someone like that, you
don't want him to go to jail. You don't want
them to get in trouble.
Speaker 7: Like hey man, well knock you in the head, they
get back, tell you mama.
Speaker 4: Maybe then you give chase and try to some sense
into him a good idea, okay, and what if there
is no talking sense into him when you get to him. Now, Again,
that's just a theory because nothing else makes sense. Nothing
makes sense. The man was hard working. He would not
have gotten there to mow the lawn and decide I'm
gonna go on a joy ride instead before i do
the work. No, he's going to do the work and
then he's going to go enjoy himself.
Speaker 7: Yeah. The only other thing you can think of in
that same vein one of the other is like seeing
a woman. But he was divorced for seven years, so
he doesn't have to keep that a secret unless she does.
But still there'd be somebody else that had lead.
Speaker 4: You know, I've never thought about that. Was he seeing somebody?
Speaker 7: If it was, he's been divorce for seven years, doesn't
have to.
Speaker 4: Keep yeah, unless it's a certain person he's not supposed
to see.
Speaker 7: Yeah. His foot size was weird too. A foot size.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what the hell is up with that inch
and a half inch and a half? I know a
size and a half smaller.
Speaker 7: Well, a size is like an inch, isn't it.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if it's measured in
inches or not.
Speaker 7: So the the timeline is at ten am. He passed
his son in the middle of Maryville on Highway two
thirty three twenty one, and he drove. It's fifteen miles away,
so we can assume twenty minutes, twenty five minutes, because
you got a cost to the switchbacks. What what kind
of throws a wet blanket on that tweaker thing, which
maybe he doesn't, maybe he does, but because he is.
He waved at Grady H. Whitehead as he left, kind
of cruising out. Yeah, as he left he saw Grady just.
Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, that throws at a bit of that away then, But.
Speaker 7: He could have been I mean, that's one. That's the
only thing I could think of. But like I would,
I would like to know where he went.
Speaker 4: Man, this this is weird.
Speaker 7: And am passed. He passed his son Andy in the
middle of a I keep wanting to say Hopkins, Kentucky
on the brain, but Marriville down by the cottage, you know.
And he had the he had the moer, he had
Andy's more and he parked the truck and mow at
into the driveway, went to the house, got on ATV,
waved to Grady's. He was leaving ATV told nowhere he's going.
He caves alone. No one saw him after the wave
other than great.
Speaker 4: Now people talk about the he come up on something
he shouldn't have seen, and people talk about he found
an illegal grow. This is where if that's the case,
the police have to be involved, because if he found
the illegal grow, the hundreds of people that did the
search would have found the illegal grow.
Speaker 7: The police wouldn't burn the damn thing in two days.
Speaker 4: And it was raining that would have left sign, you know,
And plus it was raining, like you said, So if
there was an illegal grow, that means the police are
in on it.
Speaker 7: I just I keep pointing back almost. You know how
you can like smell something cooking from across the neighborhood,
and yet what is that smells good? And you like
Kingsfreud and barbecue, Kingsford and beef, and it's just like
I can smell a clue and I can't tell what
it is, Like it's there, like I can tell it's
in the dark. What is it? It's all like adding
up a little bit just around the circle and its
screened inside job. It screams, it screams.
Speaker 4: That somebody out there knows something. I feel like, unlike
the Dennis Martin and maybe the Trinny Gibson, that this
one might end up being solved one day. Somebody knows
something somewhere and somebody's gonna talk. Do you remember I
was thinking, I don't know what. I think. I guess
just because of the ATV is what It reminds me
of this. But I'm sure you remember we were young
when those three ATV riders were killed on Signal Mountain?
Do you remember that there there was three wheelers, not
four wheelers. That's how long ago it was. They were
riding three wheelers up on either signal or a lookout
mountain and somebody killed them and they found their bodies
and it went like twenty something years without being solved.
Speaker 7: I don't remember that, Okay.
Speaker 4: Well it was really famous case around here, and you
don't you know, we don't live too far We don't
live too far away from.
Speaker 7: The Watch Chattanooga News for the first twenty years in the.
Speaker 4: Line, Okay, but so yeah, that reminds me. It kind
of rids me of that, and it went unsolved for
so long, and you know how it ended up being cracked.
The person who did it got a divorce and his
wife was covering for him for all those years. And
you know that saying Hell has no fury like a
woman scorn.
Speaker 7: She couldn't wait.
Speaker 4: She told on it as she could, so that when
I say that, I feel like there's someone out there
that knows something and eventually this one might get solved
unless it's scrypted related wit and really spent a whole
lot of time on that.
Speaker 7: I just it doesn't screencrypted related it Like I went
that direction at first, I think, and maybe that kind
of thing happened. But man how to get up in
the woods and he was wearing uh they said no,
I said this earlier, but like the just the khaki
shorts and tevis, like he was not prepared to go
where he was not prepared to go anywhere long.
Speaker 4: No, No, it was either just leisurely, I'm checking, I'm
going to take my new four wheeler for a twenty
minute stroll. When something happened or he had to leave
for some reason.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like it's where did I get ten am? I
watched on one of those I watched the.
Speaker 4: I saw nine am.
Speaker 7: That's probably about the same. It's either way, it's morning, Yeah,
and uh, he may mean he just got it. I
think the word was yeah. So maybe he pulled up
and saw it and wanted to kill some time. It
was probably a nice day. It was August warm, wasn't wasn't.
Speaker 4: Cold, And he left everything in this truck, leading you
to believe that he was just gonna be gone for
a few minutes, you know. And he left the truck
parked at the end of the road, which wasn't typical,
they said, or at the end of the driveway, which
lends you to believe that he saw something.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It all circles back to, like, well, what inspired
the movement? If you could find that out, Like it
seems so it seems so casual because I know, I
know what there's a full whether it needs to be ridden.
It looks like I've done that before, but I would
never do it like it was my last day on
earth kind of if everything's sitting, I mean, I mean,
I wouldn't care how far out of the country I would.
I'm still locking everything up like I'm in the middle
of the ghetto. Right Well, math exists. I don't care
what anybody says, like we don't lock our doors, you're
freaking better because you're gonna get robbed.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Them kind of places back there, that's pretty good
places to make it too, like where I grew up.
Speaker 7: I mean it's I mean I wouldn't as backwood as that,
but I was out there.
Speaker 4: Uh, Bobby, what do you think about feral people, because
we haven't touched on that, and that's something that I'm
really really interested in.
Speaker 7: I think they probably exist. I don't know if they
exist in the capacity that we want them to. I
think they're probably just really really you know, nasty, dirty
folks live up in maybe a shock. I don't know
how to get food.
Speaker 4: Oh, I meant kill killed deer.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they'd have to use a bowl, but
I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think they would have to have some sort of,
you know, ability to access to the outside world for supplies,
you know.
Speaker 7: I would think that they maybe can clean up a
little bit and go to town for some kind of Maybe
it's like a network.
Speaker 4: Over the That's that led me to remember that. I
screenshot a couple of comments and I sent them to you.
These comments from over on the Lower Lodge. A gentleman
over there, I've shared his stuff before, these things Ian
he does an amazing job over there, so go check
him out as well. But he covered this story and
did like a deep dive on it, and I was
reading some of the comments and I found some that
were interesting. So I'm gonna go ahead and share the.
Speaker 7: Ones you sent me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, first one, Mike Karen is my mother's first cousin.
Mike's father and my mom's father are brothers. Our entire family,
beginning four generations, settled in Happy Valley. It's very close
to a large lake named Chilliwee Lake. I along with
most of our extended family, live in Maryville now just
because it's closer to the just because it's closer to
the grocery stores, jobs, banks, et cetera. The condo Mike
lived in was only a couple miles from my house.
His sons, my second cousins, spent tens of thousands of
dollars trying to find him. That were very close to
their dad, and we're devastated when he disappeared. One thing
I do know, Happy Valley people know each other. Not
that many people live there, and the ones that do
were born there. My point is, if a stranger had
come into the Happy Valley, if a stranger had come
into the valley, someone would have seen them. Our family
searched every inch of the area Mike disappeared from, and
there was absolutely no trace of him anywhere and hasn't
been since. If Grady Whitehead couldn't find him, he wasn't
going to be found. Our family still holds out hope
that one day he will be found. So and you
kind of tested on that the whole. If there was
a stranger there, someone would know because there's ways in
and out right.
Speaker 7: And you see it. You see a car come through
the hey, car coming through, and somebody would have noted it.
They wouldn't be like throwing nails out or anything. But yeah,
if that happened, well, I saw a blue blazer come
through at ten am.
Speaker 4: So yeah, someone would notice that if someone that wasn't
supposed to be there was driving through. But like your
point earlier, what if someone had used these trails that
weren't connected, you know, to the road, Someone could have
come in that way, So I guess there's always that possibility.
Speaker 7: But then at the same time, those trails aren't connected
to the Happy Valley Loop. They had to go across
people's property to get to that unless they kept like
tree lines or something. I mean, there's there's ways. It's
not like impossible.
Speaker 4: All right, let's uh, let's do another one here.
Speaker 7: I think somebody put them in a deep freeze for
like five years. Then.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's terrible to think about.
Speaker 7: It is It's that all the possibilities are awful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we gotta gotta remember that he's still got two boys,
and yeah, that he's never met and they all love
their dad, their grandpa, and it's just terrible.
Speaker 7: Like i watch interviews with their sons and I'm just like,
oh my god, I can't because they still are working
for that company. They're still doing it.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more, but the big Flipper Ford. We'll
be right back. All right, let's move on to the
next one. Sorry, sorry, now you're good late to the game.
But native Appalachian person here, my family has lived in
the mountains for as far back as we can trace,
one hundred percent. I can tell you that mountain people
aren't thought of as myth or anything like that. Here.
They are thought of as fact. But the story we
hear is more grounded in reality than what I've read online.
My grandmother let us play in the forest and at
the streets, et cetera my entire childhood. With little to
those supervision. We swam in the lakes and streams until dark,
and ran and biked all over this area, but we
were not allowed to approach the Appalachian Trail. The single
time I remember her going anywhere near the actual Appalachian Trail,
she was all over us. She made everyone hold hands.
We even went to the bathroom as a group. Everyone
had to everyone had to sit around and for everyone
else to be done before we walked out. She was
the first of her family to live off of a reservation,
and she was adamant that the mountain men were absolutely
in the area and would absolutely carry off kids or
attack loan and loan adults, and had done it for
as long as her family could remember. Apparently that's what
everyone knew happened happened to her great uncle, and they
knew it was pointless to go any to do to
alert any form of police about it. Just an fyi
for what it's worth. Interesting as hell. And now what
she's calling mountain men is that feral people.
Speaker 7: Maybe just like people that just lived there. I'll say
this that this story sounds just like missing for one one. Yeah,
nobody knows what happened to anybody like this, forget about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the whole missing
one thing. It's just the dude, the dude that does it,
I'm not a fan of. Yeah, I just wish there
was a He twists everything, man, everything, he covers stuff that.
Like I covered this story, I can't. I apologize that
I can't remember the gentleman's name or a lot of
the specific that's been a couple of years. He was
out west Arizona. Maybe a guy was riding in the
mountains with his maybe brother and dad. There's three or
four of them in this truck. They were hunting. They
were all just ship face drunk, and dude see something
that hops out with his rifle and takes off running.
And then he gets lost and there's this huge search
and Platus plays it up like he was gone without
a trace, never to be heard from again. And six
days later his body was found floating face down in
a river twenty miles away. He had no way of
getting to well what he left out was. His body
was found full of bullet holes. I don't think Bigfoot
shot him. No, and there were reports of him being
of knocking on doors asking for help and people turning
him away. He was seen on camera at a seven
eleven or some gas station. Some Yeah, he just left
all that ship out so that it was it is.
I'm not a big foot guy, but I'm a bigfoot
guy now. So anyway, that's why I don't. I don't
put a whole lot of stock in a lot of
the stuff that he does, but he.
Speaker 7: His job to make stuff like that kind of skews
it a little bit for you.
Speaker 4: That's that's a lot though.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I'm saying that. That's it kind of
makes you have to take things of the grain of
salt when somebody's making their living off off that kind
of thing.
Speaker 4: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 7: I'm like without a trace, we mean, without a trace.
He was on camera eating a slushy five days ago.
I got some other things here, let me find it, hear.
It kind of falls in that same vein, Yeah, because
I found the National Park Service reports for like the
last fifty years.
Speaker 4: That Grady White had worked on the Dennis Martin case,
didn't he m h.
Speaker 7: Right in the middle of his tenure.
Speaker 4: He was a badass. He's still alive, right, I think so.
Speaker 7: I think he's still like registered as the property owner,
but I don't know if that matters.
Speaker 4: I saw him in an interview or I heard him
in an interview on a podcast not long ago. Y'all
go check him out, man. He is. He's a legend.
Speaker 7: Man. He's like a somebody that Steven Spielberg was inspired
to write about kind of thing.
Speaker 4: He had, the whole Dennis Martin thing. He believes he
knew where he was and wasn't allowed to go look
if I remember, because he smelt decomposition and he knew
the difference between the decaying body and the animal, and
he smelt it and told his superiors that it was
down in the area and said, nobody can get down there.
We've already been looked. It was a buzzard and that
wasn't that didn't smell a buzzard, you know. But by
the time he was able to go and look, there
was nothing.
Speaker 7: The total reports crime, the total incident reports in National
Park Service from like nineteen eighty two, it was like
twenty twenty three. I think like August had the most,
with seventy four incidents over that time period in July
sixty eight, June fifty six, September fifty two, that's just
total incidents. Somebody hit a cow, somebody drowned in a kayak,
and was also jim sing poaching.
Speaker 4: Huge, Yes, it is huge. He catched somebody doing on
his property.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's one of the big things. That was one
of the things that would be mentioned like in flyby comments. Okay,
it's that.
Speaker 4: If somebody shot him, what they would have found some blood.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm just struggling. To me, I feel like
he was like stuffed in a sack.
Speaker 4: It had to have been like overpowered and carried onesome.
Speaker 7: Okay. So in that whole time period eighty three to
twenty twenty three, August had the most drug related or
marijuana related incidents. July had, August had twenty three, July
had seventeen, September had twelve.
Speaker 4: So folks like to get high on the mountains in August.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And a lot of this I think correlates with
just the vacation season. I don't which which would also
support that's not saying well that was just vacationers. Well,
if a vacationer knocked him in ahead also and also
as far as crime between let's see what I say,
violent crime, theft, assault, robbery, burgley, larceny, car stealing. September
had the most fourteen, August had the most. August had
the next month eleven. So yeah, August and September, in
June and July are hot beds for schnnigan's and the smoking.
Speaker 4: Another issue I have with the whole tweaker, Uh, somebody
messed out, you know scenario, if you're dumb enough to
break it into a house at nine o'clock on a
Saturday morning, I don't really consider you enough of a
criminal mastermind to completely, you know, get rid of this
body and just wipe this person off the face of
the earth.
Speaker 7: You know. Yeah, it's the the My thing with the
math that would just be the handling of the four wheeler.
The rest of the situation doesn't speak to meth head. Yeah,
because whoever had that full wheeler did not know what
they were doing, and they'd never ridden one before, and
if they had, it was another one, another kind.
Speaker 4: So this more than likely happened somewhere else that they
don't know about. And these people stash that four wheeler.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they took it. They took it to Uh, I
don't know. I cannot figure out how the world it
got over there to where it was that and that's
that's the thing. You get right there, like, well, how
the hell do you get and they push it up
a steep embankment sideways. It took two of them. It's
a three fifty four wheeler. You can't just push one
up a hill. No, it's nearly full size. I mean,
the Grizzly I had was huge. I can't and yuy
and the Wolverine is not much smaller. It was up
up a steep embankment one hundred feet off the road.
Makes you wonder who which way he went and how
they got it over there.
Speaker 4: It's like they drove it until they couldn't drive it
anymore and just dashed it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why they would
put the kill switch on it unless they didn't know
how to start it and they were just doing everything
they could.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's possible. I don't have a whole
lot of experience on four wheelers. I wouldn't know right
off the bat how to kill one unless somebody told me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I saw that kill switch thing, I was
locked in like I wasn't giving it a lot. I
was like, wait a minute, that's the biggest part of
the that's the biggest smoking gun. Because nobody writes full
Whittles ever uses the kill switch. There's no purpose in it.
I guess you can do the whole attach it to yourself.
I've never seen anybody do it. I don't know how you.
I don't even think there's a hole in it or anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this whole time, that's the assumption I've been working under.
It's just a similar to do or jet skid.
Speaker 7: He flips it up and it holds the this little spring.
It kind of has a little rounded thing that pulls
the little stick up. I guess for the lack. I
don't know, because it holds it up. Yeah, I'll see
if I find a picture of it. But like no
one uses anytime. Anybody's ever use it's been like for fun. Yeah,
it's like kill switches on the idiot because no one
looks at it.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, you got anything else you want to add.
I think we're at a pretty good point to close
it out because I mean, obviously man's never been found.
We don't have any answers just a couple of guys
giving their thoughts on it.
Speaker 7: There's a couple of guys messing around. Let me let
me look at my my thing here. See, Charlie Project
has Charli Project had a lot. The thing. The crazy
thing about this is you've read four different things to
have four different details in it. Yeah, and like, well
which one was it? Like it said like you first
place you or mine wants to go? He was a contractor,
maybe just betting on a contract and somebody wanted to
get Nope, everybody loved him. Yeah, then like maybe had
an enemy. Nope, everybody loved him, and I believe him.
I don't think I had anything to do with that.
I think and.
Speaker 4: I heard somewhere some guy was very sure of himself
talking about come on, guys, it's obvious he was in
the construction. He wasn't kicking up to the right people. Dude,
This ain't fucking Manhattan, you know where. Hey, these aren't
mobsters that you were having to kick up to, you know,
to protect us on our block. No, I don't buy
that for a second.
Speaker 7: No, it's not like that. In Maryville, Tennessee, my dad's
a contractor in North Alabama, it's not like that.
Speaker 4: Just is he kicking up to the right people, Bobby
or you might.
Speaker 7: They would have to kick up to him. I had
to guess I wouldn't want to. He will not leave
his gun in the truck, his key, cell phone, money clip, guns,
gribberalizes always on his dash. I mean, are just windows
were down? And I want to know, did it rain
in the truck? You roll the windows up?
Speaker 4: You know they said it was.
Speaker 7: He goes back to show God, damn it. He just
walks off hate these stupid kids. No, no, no suicide,
no depression.
Speaker 4: No man had everything going for him.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm. Yeah. I just I think it was I
think it was human. I think it was uh. I
think the rain helped out a lot. Whoever did it
think of hadd and rain, this wouldn't be a mystery.
And uh. And I think that they, like I said,
God forbid, put him in a deep freeze for like
a week and let it die down, drove him out
and drive him out in the back of a van.
I think it was. I think it's not inside job.
I think like the people in there, the Holler people
know it. There's a there's a group of there's a
group of people that live there that don't see they're
not not only up and up, they're the false hog
of the bunch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which makes me again say that I think this
is one of those cases that will get solved one day.
Somebody's gone that talk at some.
Speaker 7: Point seventeen years though, my gosh, Yeah, somebody else, somebody's uh,
I don't know, their house will get broke into and
they'll find things like the criminal will find things. I
had a friend who I worked with forever for forever
for two or three years, and ten years later we
find out he got busted because somebody broke into the
Somebody broke into the storage unit light where he kept
his enclosed trailer and found a bunch of illegal weapons.
Oh yeah, And when the cops came to see that,
they found all that and he got put in federal
pound me in a prison. I think he got out
by taking a plea deal. But he had a bunch
of weapons. He was a E O D Bomb squad
instructor and he could he would take a couple pieces
of ordnance off the top he was. He was a
firearm instructor too on the side, so you know, into
the class and Hey, you want to throw a grenade?
He had automatic weapons, all kinds of dynamite and everything.
Speaker 4: Damn uh, Bobby, remind everybody about your show if you're
going to be doing anything, and just where they can
find you.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'm they can find right now. It's at
Bobby Dizzel dot com. But the Caffeinated Crypto podcast, they're
on the screen, you know it caffeinated being like drinking
a lot of coffee and talk smack. But I got
a lot of stuff coming up. The h the audio
portion of my podcast network is probably gonna be the
least it's probably gonna be the least prioritized here coming
up because I got some mini docs coming in in
the podcast is gonna be updates to those talking about him.
So yeah, it's it's coming. It's gonna be fun coming up.
A lot of stuff happening. I even had marrible something.
I was going to do it before this even happened,
as a place I was going to visit and me
and Wayne are going to go camping and for one
of them, which is something which one yet.
Speaker 4: We need to get that on the books. Man, I
need to get out there.
Speaker 7: It's weird time. It's a weird time of year. This
guy's either gonna freeze you or kill you.
Speaker 4: You're exactly right. It's freaking seventy something to grease today
in Sanuary.
Speaker 7: And it'll be freezing on Saturday morning after the storm
Trail three.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well we'll hit the teens next week that
it rolls around here. But anyway, man, I appreciate you
taking the time to come and hang out. This will
not be the last time that you and I a
lab on something we like. I kind of hinted with
my short video last week. We have something in the
works that we will be talking about pretty soon hopefully.
But everybody out there, thank you guys so much for
tuning in, and we will see you later. Bye.
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at end of day weekfoots call on the whispering breathe
Secrets kept by ancient trees. Dog Man House beneath the
moon echoes in the silent too tracks we five, but
answers none. A hunt for truth that's just begun. We're
searching past the fire light. Four creatures hidden out of sight.
Speaker 9: In the forest heart, where shadows.
Speaker 8: Lay, seeking secrets in the twilight great.
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our lanterns.
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Speaker 9: In this land.
Speaker 10: The myths of O.
Speaker 9: We're searching past the fire light full creature's hidden, out
of sight in the forest heart, where shadows
Speaker 8: Lay, seeking seacrets in the twilight break