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your support. All right, so, last hour, I went through
the revelation that two former reporters from Politico say they're
editors killed or slow walked. Three different stories killed, two
slow walked, a third, all related to Hunter Biden, the
laptop deal, the lean against Biden while he was on Bearisma.
All right, so, and let me just take a quick
moment here. And it's not that I need to explain it,
but I feel like talk radio audiences are yes, interested
in politics, obviously, but it's more than that. It's these
are cultural issues, these are philosophical issues, but we are
also interested in the role of media as a as
sort of an institution. You know, Limbaugh built talk radio,
and he did so as a reaction to the lack
of this kind of conversation occurring because of the fairness doctrine,
which was not fair, and so people who and you
can call it like the original red pilling, where you know,
you would hear a story and you'd be like, hmm, oh, okay,
well that's interesting, and you would just accept that story
because that's a news story and you know they're telling
you the truth and all this, and then Limbaugh comes
on the scene and he's giving voice to questions that
a lot of people would have about the way stories
get covered. And so what we are watching right now
is sort of the this is the the dying days
of the traditional legacy media. I don't even like mainstream
media anymore because I don't even think that term applies.
What is mainstream For younger people, it's freaking TikTok getting
all their news from China. Sorry, the Chinese algorithm you
know that entices them to harm themselves and eat tide
pods and such. But no, I'm sure it's fine, don't worry.
So the media critique has always been a part of
talk radio, and as one who was a reporter and
I grew up listening to NPR, my dad a Reagan Democrat.
He I mean, he went to Vietnam because JFK asked
what he could do for his country. You know, he
volunteered and went to Vietnam for two tours. And that's
the kind of guy. Now he's you know, now he's
on the Trump train. Has been on the Trump train
from the very beginning. So like he is sort of
in my mind, he's like this prototypical especially back in
twenty sixteen Trump supporter. But I say all of that
because when we were growing up, he would listen to NPR.
We would be in the car with him and he'd
be listening All Things considered. And I've talked about this before,
and so I've always had an appreciation for what's called
spoken word format, which is podcast. By the way, So
all you kids that are like podcast to the new thing,
it's actually not a new thing. It's just talk radio. Sorry.
I mean, I hate to be the bearer of the news,
but you know, talk radio has been doing this for
a very long time, spoken word format. But NPR, I yeah,
I mean it it has just it has just gone
so far left and I still like, I flip it
over and I listen to what they're covering and everything
has some sort of intersectionality framing. It's just I mean,
it's exhausting. Every single story is about something that I
don't care about. You know, It's like, oh, here's an
interesting lead in. I'm like, oh, this is an interesting story.
And then all of a sudden, it's like, now we're
gonna tell this story through the eyes of a you know,
of a trans Palestinian living in Ghana, Like what how
did you find this person? First of all? Second of all,
and then of course it always starts with the nat
sound in the village. Ah, They're like, oh, so and
so is this such and such an It's just the
same formula every single story. Anyway, I digress. Media criticism
has always been a part of talk radio, and I
care about this spoken word format. I care about talk radio,
but I care about media. I care about journalism. And
people think that I hate these reporters and I hate
the legacy media and all this. I don't. I want
them to be better. That's the problem. You suck at
what you're doing. That's my problem with you is that
you don't even realize the succitude that you are achieving.
And somebody needs to tell you that you can do
this better, that you can make corrections, you can course
correct here. But they don't care. It's not a yeah,
they don't care. They're going to keep, you know, doing
what they're doing, making the decisions they keep making, hoping
for another investor to come along and buy their publication,
to pay their paychecks and stuff. And to me, it
is a And I talked about this before the election.
This is what basically drove me to vote for Donald Trump,
which I never thought I would do. It's that I
don't trust the media to cover Joe Biden or Kamala
Harris or any Democrat for that matter. I just don't
trust them to do it. They're so far gone, they're
so far in the tank. And so that political piece
confirms what I could already see and I could read
in their pages and I would notice that they're not
covering certain stories, or the way they treat certain stories
is different than they treat stories that were down to
the benefit of the Democrats. And when I conceeal all
of this and then okay, now now they come out
after it doesn't matter after the election. Oh yeah, by
the way, we tried to do the story and we
were bigfooted by our editors. We couldn't publish these stories, Like,
don't blame me. I tried to do the right thing,
but I kept quiet for four years so I could
keep drawing a paycheck. This stuff matters because you're supposed
to be the quote truth to power. You're supposed to
be working for the people. You're supposed to be informing
people about what's going on so they can self govern
this whole thing that you know the Washington Post. Democracy
dies in darkness, you mean the darkness that you guys
are shrouding the public in when it comes to stories
you won't cover. See. That's why I'm so hard on
these reporters and these outlets, because you have a great responsibility,
and that means sometimes you have to acknowledge that maybe,
just maybe the Democrat that's challenging the guy that you
hate might actually be corrupt and there's actual evidence of
the corruption, and you have to put aside your bias,
and you have to tell people so they have the
information so they can make that decision on their own.
And you have to do so knowing that some of
them may turn around and not vote for the guy
that you would prefer win because the Orange Man is
so bad. That's part of the job. Otherwise you're a propagandist.
That's what that is. It's not It's why I call
them journalismers, because it's not journalism. Yeah, it's definitely not reporting.
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I don't know what's happening with the phones. Apparently it's
dropping calls. John had called in during the last segment.
He was on hold and then his call dropped off.
Is he back for real? He's there, John, Welcome to
the show. Just for the record, we did not hang
up on you. Something is wrong with our phone system,
so I apologize for that.
Speaker 2: So oh no, bron, I thought it was me. I'm
driving in from the mountain, so.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well maybe so yeah, maybe just bad sellers
or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, hey, first of all, I'm a liberal, and
I do exactly what you suggest your listeners do, which
is to listen to other news sources. So I find
that You're definitely worth listening to because you have an
objectivity that goes beyond just partisanship, which I can't say
about your other posts. So I enjoy your show. You're
not afraid to criticize the right or the left. You
talk about your own libertarian values, and you have a
good take on things. So since you have such a
good take on things without risking getting fired, it would
be interesting to hear your analysis of your own radio
station in terms of bias.
Speaker 1: So obviously, everybody that hosts a show, and I can't
speak for anybody else's process that they go through to
develop their material, but every hope is an opinion post sure, right,
Like the Morning Show, they do a different kind of show.
Vince does a lot of different content with you know, religion,
if you will. He puts a lot of that. He
has a lot of that kind of content. You know,
Brett is more of a national guy and international, uh.
He focuses a lot on that stuff. And like I
my lane has been for years state local and national stuff.
But also you know media, media critique, and I know
Brett does that too, and Vince does that as well.
Like I said, that's such a part of talk radio,
because that's it's in our it's in our DNA, it's
in talk radio's DNA.
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, they're Rush Limbaugh for many years. I
mean there is a common thread among your posts. I
mean this is a conservative yeah radio station. Yeah, well,
I mean I would serve a bias.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, but we're all just like I'm asking.
Speaker 2: You to say, so that your listeners don't get deluded
into thinking they're listening to the truth. They're listening to
a conservative bias, which is fine. Everyone has their own biases,
as you said. So that's the.
Speaker 1: Only point I want to make, right, So hang on, John,
Do you think that people who listen to this station
don't realize that they are conservatives or that they are
sharing the opinions of the hosts who are conservative? Oh?
Speaker 2: I think they they are aware that they're sharing the
opinions of the hosts. I think that they sometimes are
maybe deluded into thinking that because their hosts share their opinions,
that that's the truth, and that there may be some
truths out there that they're not aware of because they
don't bother to listen to other media sources, as you suggest,
they right, well.
Speaker 1: And that's why I bring up but John, that's why
I bring those That's why I bring those media sources
to the show, as does Brett Winterble, as does Vince Coakley.
They they all know John. Hang on, John, I have heard, John,
I have heard. I have heard Brett quote CNN, CBS,
the Associated Press, NBC, MSNBC. He quotes all of these
news organizations. He brings you those those stories. He just
doesn't he doesn't. He doesn't take what they say as
automatic truth. He challenges just like I do. He'll challenge
certain parts of the stories as they are reported by
those outlets. So so, hang on, John, do you let
me ask this? Hang on, John, when we're talking about John,
hang on, hang on when we're talking about opinion, Okay,
because that's what all the hosts are at this station,
the the the people who are are giving these opinions.
Do you think that the people who share the opinions
of the host as they're listening, do you think that
they would adopt opinions that they know are not true
or do they believe their opinions are true?
Speaker 2: Do I think they would adopt opinions that are not true?
Speaker 1: No, that they know are not true.
Speaker 2: That they know are not true. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Okay, And just like I don't believe that people on
the left, such as yourself, I don't believe that you
would adopt an opinion that you don't believe is true.
The question is are you open to hearing the other
in the other side of that argument? And that's and
I will say that for all of the trash talking
about any other host, is that every single host welcomes
phone calls from people who have different opinions, and they
have these and they have these discussions and debates. Well
you don't get that.
Speaker 2: It's good, But I will say that I have called
in to your two different hosts, and you're much more
amenable to having a conversation with someone with a different viewpoint,
whereas at winterbal mutes them and then mocks them.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I've been known to.
Speaker 2: An intelligent conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been known to mute people, and I definitely
have been known to mock people when they are worthy
of mocking. It's as yeah, yeah, So the mockable ones
I feel like are the ones that always call in.
That's not my fault, so but that's but that's to have.
Speaker 2: A show if you're if you're really interested in w BT, Well,
w BT has done that, that sort of effeminate guy
that Hannity used to beat up on, the token liberal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alan Cos Yeah, so yeah right, So BT has
done that. W BT has has done that model many
times over the years. And you know what happens, You
know what happens. No, you know what happens.
Speaker 2: Now, what happens?
Speaker 1: Nobody listens. That's true. The ratings are terrible. And that's
really when there's going on. No, no, no, when when
when you turn the airwaves over to a liberal host
or a leftist host, the ratings plummet And that can
be seen not just here at WBT, but across virtually
all media. And I would submit that that is a
problem with the content, not necessarily the hosts or the platform.
When you see that same scenario replicated over and over
and over again, there's something going on there with that
kind of content. Like, for example, like you don't hear
on the NPR affiliate, they don't do live call ins
like this. They won't take a conservative going back and
forth with it with one of their liberal hosts. They'll
take a voicemail and they'll play the voicemail from another
liberal who asks a question. They play that and then
they get their guests to respond. But they don't do
this what we're doing right now. And so why is that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're not talk radio, their news radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're they're spoken word for me.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're talking about to have much news
on your station. I'm sorry, what have we been talking
about this entire time? I spent the whole first about opinions.
Speaker 1: I've been talking. No, I mean, I'm reading a story
here about two reporters that say that they had to
kill the stories during the election cycle in twenty twenty.
That's news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough. Let me ask you this. Do
you have a meeting in the morning with the other
host and we're now talking points to consider throughout the day. No,
things pretty consistent. No, no emails, no, no meanings, no discussions. No,
this is the stories be on to cover.
Speaker 1: Nope, okay, nobody. Nobody directs my topic selection, and nobody
directs anybody else's topics selection. Every host is free to
determine what they want to talk about, and generally we
all have probably a similar process where we look at
the headlines of the day, and so the stories that
are generating the most the most discussion are the ones
that are the most newsworthy because they are generating a
lot of discussion, and so those are the stories that
are selected. All right, John, I appreciate the call and
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the record, I don't believe I know of anybody that
holds opinions that they know are false. Most people have
their opinion because they think it's true, and a lot
of people, both left and right, do not want to
have that challenged, which is why I say unchallenged ideas
are very easy to hold. All Right, seven oh four, five,
seven oh eleven, ten, may go and talk with Tim. Hello, Tim,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey Pete, how you doing?
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good. What's up?
Speaker 3: You know what just happened with that last caller, don't you?
Speaker 1: I might have a bit of an inclination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was sending you first. You start out telling
you how fair and unattenuated you are, uh huh, and
then he hit the next STA. Okay, Now I got
to get him to admit that WBT Radio is a
conservative biased radio station.
Speaker 1: Which that may be the first time I have ever
heard WBT referred to as a conservative station. I don't
think I ever knew that before.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think i've ever heard that either, Pete.
But I will say that I believe that you have
mostly conservative listeners across all your hosts. Now really didn't
if you ran I left this liberal station, nobody would listen.
Speaker 1: No, And that's what I was getting to when I said,
like the BT, WBT, and I've been a round BT
for now, oh gosh, more than two decades, And like,
I remember experiments that were done on this station with
people of varying political philosophies. And this is not just BT.
This occurs in other markets. It occurs in Remember the
big one was we were talking about it during the
break Air America and that thing crashed and burned and
why like they And I've said this before, and I
say it as a joke, but it is true. In
my opinion, it is true that if I had to
defend leftist ideology, I would not be able to do
so either. And the problem with leftist ideology is that
once presented, once challenged with alternative arguments, contrary arguments, it
doesn't hold up. And that's why hosts right and that's
why I think liberal left wing hosts do not do
well in an opinion format, because it's fine if you
get him to throw out a couple of slogans and
bromides in between commercials, but if you actually have to
test your arguments with callers, like I just did with John,
it crumbles.
Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, did not not hear him
say that, basically because basically because the radio station may
lean conservative. I mean, that's my opinion. I like y'all station,
I'm conservative. But because of that, there's no way that
y'all can put anything on the air that's true, Like
the news isn't true. You know. I think they were
having fire, these major forest fires like in Los Angeles.
I feel sorry for the people. It's a tragedy, but
I don't think those just started in the last thirty
or forty years, you know. I think we had pretty
bad coal spells, you know, during the caveman days. So
I just don't buy him to some of the things
that they reasoned. I mean, you know, well, but it's right.
Speaker 1: This is news talk, right, news talk exactly, so we're
we talk about what's in the news, and and yes
we have opinions. We are like the editorial page of
a newspaper. That's you know, for that's a shorthand analogy
to it. It's not exact exactly comparable in all ways,
but the idea is that you have a news item
and we're reading the news, and sometimes the news is
just the news, and sometimes that's all we're doing, is
like like you mentioned with the fires, or with the
western North Carolina hurricane or with the recent you know,
ice storms and stuff. Then we shift into just basically
a straight news operation because the data is just the data, right.
The information is the most important thing to put out there.
But there's always some analysis, and there's always bias. I
acknowledge my biases. So like the idea that someone's going
to feel like it's an insult to tell me that
I'm biased, It's not an insult. I mean human being.
Every single person has some kind of bias.
Speaker 3: Absolutely exactly exactly. And you know, when I call in
the y'all's radio station, they never asked me am I conservative,
my liberal and my Democrat or I'm a post They
just say what's your name and what's your comment? And
you know, it's like Vince he touched his own religious things.
I enjoyed that. But I also heard Vince kind of
give Trump, uh you know, the walk forward. Oh yeah, Vince.
He reports what he sees and it may be his opinion,
but it's not hard to see. I mean, I can't
disagree with him.
Speaker 2: I like Trump.
Speaker 3: I voted for Trump. I believe Trump is gonna be
great for the country. But Vince shoots straight as most
of the y'all's hosts do or all of you do. Really, yeah,
the opinions. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim, I appreciate the call man. Thanks for listening,
Thanks for calling.
Speaker 2: Thank you all right, buddy, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm like this idea that that the opinions that we
have are somehow driven by something. Oh hang on a second,
I just got my talking points email from Brett. Uh No,
I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. Like, in fact, it's actually
the opposite. I'll be listening sometimes, you know, to Vince
in the morning or on my way into the studio,
and I'll hear him cover a topic that I have
in my stack of stuff, and I don't like it.
I'm like, dang it, I wanted to do that, you know,
not that it stops me from doing it. But like
I would, you know, there are things that we all
that we all kind of drift towards because we all
have biases, things that we think are newsworthy or important
or interesting to discuss. And and I don't deny that. Now.
The reason why we don't ask you what your politics
are is we have AI as a call screener, and
it detects as soon as you call in. It knows
immediately if you're a conservative. I'm just kidding. We don't
have that. We do have racial caller idea though, no,
I'm kidding, we don't have that either. That's an old
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and was complaining about the story that was covered in
our newscast, saying that that was in news and see
first off, I would beg to differ the story about
a South Carolina state lawmaker's child killing themselves be called
they were being extorted by an online hoax that other
kids could be exploited by. That then prompted the lawmaker
to get a new law put in place. And then
the new part So like seventy five percent of the
word news is new, and so the new part of
the news was that the person who had extorted the
child has now been arrested and brought back to America
to face charges, or brought to America to face charges.
So that's news. So that's the first thing I disagree.
I believe that is news. Secondly, that is the kind
of debate that occurs in the news organizations. Somebody would
come forward and say, hey, I got this story. Here's
this lawmaker's son who killed himself and they passed a
law and now they caught the guy that prompted all
of this, and should I go cover it? And then
maybe somebody like John is in the newsroom and says no,
we should cover transgender rights or something, and then the
newsroom would say transgender rights, transgender rights, and so that's
what everybody goes and covers, right. So it's a different
approach right to story selection, that's all. And this is
what I said at the very beginning, was you have
to determine what is news. And people have different opinions
about what is news. And just because your opinion is
that that story isn't news doesn't mean that it's not news.
It may not be of interest to you, but it
is most assuredly news. As I mentioned, three quarters of
the word news is new, and that was in fact new,
also new, but not really. The CIA has said for
years that it did not have enough information to conclude
whether the COVID pandemic emerged naturally from a wet market
in Wuhan, which is not racist. To say that all
those Chinese people are eating all of these bats not racist.
But rather the accidental or the other theory was the
accidental leak from a research life, which was racist. I
was told at the time, that's a racist idea that
like a high tech lab, super smart people and the
thing broke containment and leaked out. That's the racist theory.
Eating the bats at the wet market not racist. Okay.
So the agency now has issued a new assessment this week,
with analysts saying, yeah, they now favor the lab leak theory.
Oh really, now it can be told yet again after
four years. But now the CIA weighing in, they say,
And by the way, New York Times reporting no new
intelligen there's no new intelligence behind this shift. It's just
based on the same evidence that they have been chewing
over for months, four years. As it were, The analysis
is based in part on a closer look at the
conditions in the high security labs in Wuhan Province before
the pandemic outbreak, according to people familiar with the agency's work.
A spokeswoman for the agency said that the other theory
remains plausible, kind of racist, and the agency will continue
to evaluate any available credible new intelligence reporting right. Made
more difficult, obviously by the fact that China hasn't exactly
been forthcoming, which is totally what a government would do
if it was not involved in a layub leaque.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: If it's just a bunch of the the bat soup
that got a bunch of people sick and killed billions
around the globe, causing this pandemic and trillions of dollars
in economic carnage, right, they surely, surely they would not
want to participate in figuring that out, because then they
could pin it on some guy at a market. But
rather than go that route, they just shut everything down,
which has always been a weird thing to me, Like,
if China wanted to pin it on the wet market,
I feel like they could have done better, you know,
I feel like there was something there that they could
have done. They could have made that happen. It's just
one of those things where it's like I have this
expectation that China can do something and then they turn
out not to be able to do it, sort of
like the fortune cookie, Like what's up with that? It's
like the same cracker thing that's like not very good,
Like you guys have not perfected this thing and you
didn't and they stole that too. Apparently it was from Japan,
so classic Chinese comies. Let me read a couple of emails.
Kevin says, Uh, this is why I listened to NPR
and WBT, I watched Fox and NBC, ABC and CNN.
So many only listen, uh, or what news outlets that
back up the narrative they want to hear, and that
is that is a problem. It is people only gathering
their news or only getting their news from you know,
one place and thinking that now they are fully informed
about stuff and it this is Uh, this is the
Dunning Krueger effect, where you know, people who are least
informed of the material have the most confidence that they
are correct. Essentially, you know, the more you know, the
more you realize you don't Know's that's part of life.
That's everything, And as you get older, I think people
become more wise to that that. When you're younger, you
learn one thing and you think this is the thing,
this is the truth, you know it all. And then
you go out and you get exposed to more and
more stuff, you learn more and more stuff, and then
you start realizing, Wow, there really is a lot that
I don't know. There are other things about this that
I don't know. Now, That's why, Like if new information
presents itself, I am open to be persuaded with new information.
But generally the opinions I have arrived at, particularly on
the big issues and the core philosophies, those are things
that I've examined. Those are things that I have been
open to hearing other sides on. And when I get
to the point where I'm at like, hey, this is
a fundamental principle of mine, like there has been examination,
and I'm only speaking for myself, I could speak for
no other human being. All I can say is that
that that's for just for myself. And sometimes that means
that I don't know what the truth is. And I
can say that I don't know what the truth is.
With the lab leak, I don't know It could have
been a lab leak. It could have been a wet market, right,
could have been aliens. Right, But right now it seems
like the preponderance of the evidence, and the most compelling
evidence to me, points in the direction of the lab leak.
Do I know that's exactly what happened? No, because I
wasn't there, and if I was there, I probably would
have been arrested because I hate commies and they would
have sniffed me out pretty quickly because I'm not a
very good liar. All Right, that'll do it for this episode.
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