1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,679 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,399 your support. All right, so, last hour, I went through 10 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:37,719 the revelation that two former reporters from Politico say they're 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:44,759 editors killed or slow walked. Three different stories killed, two 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,960 slow walked, a third, all related to Hunter Biden, the 13 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:55,560 laptop deal, the lean against Biden while he was on Bearisma. 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,240 All right, so, and let me just take a quick 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,560 moment here. And it's not that I need to explain it, 16 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:09,040 but I feel like talk radio audiences are yes, interested 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,680 in politics, obviously, but it's more than that. It's these 18 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:19,799 are cultural issues, these are philosophical issues, but we are 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,640 also interested in the role of media as a as 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:30,120 sort of an institution. You know, Limbaugh built talk radio, 21 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,560 and he did so as a reaction to the lack 22 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,000 of this kind of conversation occurring because of the fairness doctrine, 23 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:47,760 which was not fair, and so people who and you 24 00:01:47,799 --> 00:01:52,000 can call it like the original red pilling, where you know, 25 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,879 you would hear a story and you'd be like, hmm, oh, okay, 26 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,239 well that's interesting, and you would just accept that story 27 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,239 because that's a news story and you know they're telling 28 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:01,959 you the truth and all this, and then Limbaugh comes 29 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:05,879 on the scene and he's giving voice to questions that 30 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,840 a lot of people would have about the way stories 31 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:11,360 get covered. And so what we are watching right now 32 00:02:11,439 --> 00:02:16,039 is sort of the this is the the dying days 33 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,719 of the traditional legacy media. I don't even like mainstream 34 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:23,439 media anymore because I don't even think that term applies. 35 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,680 What is mainstream For younger people, it's freaking TikTok getting 36 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:33,719 all their news from China. Sorry, the Chinese algorithm you 37 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:38,080 know that entices them to harm themselves and eat tide 38 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:43,439 pods and such. But no, I'm sure it's fine, don't worry. 39 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:48,080 So the media critique has always been a part of 40 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,280 talk radio, and as one who was a reporter and 41 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:59,000 I grew up listening to NPR, my dad a Reagan Democrat. 42 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,599 He I mean, he went to Vietnam because JFK asked 43 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,919 what he could do for his country. You know, he 44 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:10,199 volunteered and went to Vietnam for two tours. And that's 45 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:13,159 the kind of guy. Now he's you know, now he's 46 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:14,960 on the Trump train. Has been on the Trump train 47 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:17,319 from the very beginning. So like he is sort of 48 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,919 in my mind, he's like this prototypical especially back in 49 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:29,000 twenty sixteen Trump supporter. But I say all of that 50 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,800 because when we were growing up, he would listen to NPR. 51 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,199 We would be in the car with him and he'd 52 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,599 be listening All Things considered. And I've talked about this before, 53 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,280 and so I've always had an appreciation for what's called 54 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:42,599 spoken word format, which is podcast. By the way, So 55 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:44,919 all you kids that are like podcast to the new thing, 56 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:47,639 it's actually not a new thing. It's just talk radio. Sorry. 57 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:49,919 I mean, I hate to be the bearer of the news, 58 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,080 but you know, talk radio has been doing this for 59 00:03:53,120 --> 00:04:01,520 a very long time, spoken word format. But NPR, I yeah, 60 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,560 I mean it it has just it has just gone 61 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,080 so far left and I still like, I flip it 62 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,080 over and I listen to what they're covering and everything 63 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,919 has some sort of intersectionality framing. It's just I mean, 64 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,319 it's exhausting. Every single story is about something that I 65 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,240 don't care about. You know, It's like, oh, here's an 66 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,480 interesting lead in. I'm like, oh, this is an interesting story. 67 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,800 And then all of a sudden, it's like, now we're 68 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,439 gonna tell this story through the eyes of a you know, 69 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:36,959 of a trans Palestinian living in Ghana, Like what how 70 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,800 did you find this person? First of all? Second of all, 71 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:41,560 and then of course it always starts with the nat 72 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:44,720 sound in the village. Ah, They're like, oh, so and 73 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:46,800 so is this such and such an It's just the 74 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:52,720 same formula every single story. Anyway, I digress. Media criticism 75 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:55,160 has always been a part of talk radio, and I 76 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:59,480 care about this spoken word format. I care about talk radio, 77 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:02,600 but I care about media. I care about journalism. And 78 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,759 people think that I hate these reporters and I hate 79 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,399 the legacy media and all this. I don't. I want 80 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:13,240 them to be better. That's the problem. You suck at 81 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,519 what you're doing. That's my problem with you is that 82 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:21,600 you don't even realize the succitude that you are achieving. 83 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:26,439 And somebody needs to tell you that you can do 84 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:30,439 this better, that you can make corrections, you can course 85 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,319 correct here. But they don't care. It's not a yeah, 86 00:05:36,399 --> 00:05:39,000 they don't care. They're going to keep, you know, doing 87 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,199 what they're doing, making the decisions they keep making, hoping 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,480 for another investor to come along and buy their publication, 89 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:52,040 to pay their paychecks and stuff. And to me, it 90 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,199 is a And I talked about this before the election. 91 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:59,319 This is what basically drove me to vote for Donald Trump, 92 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:03,399 which I never thought I would do. It's that I 93 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,920 don't trust the media to cover Joe Biden or Kamala 94 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:10,480 Harris or any Democrat for that matter. I just don't 95 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:13,920 trust them to do it. They're so far gone, they're 96 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,279 so far in the tank. And so that political piece 97 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,720 confirms what I could already see and I could read 98 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:24,279 in their pages and I would notice that they're not 99 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:27,839 covering certain stories, or the way they treat certain stories 100 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,279 is different than they treat stories that were down to 101 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:33,439 the benefit of the Democrats. And when I conceeal all 102 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:35,480 of this and then okay, now now they come out 103 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,279 after it doesn't matter after the election. Oh yeah, by 104 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:41,279 the way, we tried to do the story and we 105 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,399 were bigfooted by our editors. We couldn't publish these stories, Like, 106 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:47,519 don't blame me. I tried to do the right thing, 107 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:50,800 but I kept quiet for four years so I could 108 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:55,959 keep drawing a paycheck. This stuff matters because you're supposed 109 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,160 to be the quote truth to power. You're supposed to 110 00:06:59,959 --> 00:07:04,720 be working for the people. You're supposed to be informing 111 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,759 people about what's going on so they can self govern 112 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:12,720 this whole thing that you know the Washington Post. Democracy 113 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:17,319 dies in darkness, you mean the darkness that you guys 114 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:20,720 are shrouding the public in when it comes to stories 115 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:23,800 you won't cover. See. That's why I'm so hard on 116 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:28,720 these reporters and these outlets, because you have a great responsibility, 117 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,839 and that means sometimes you have to acknowledge that maybe, 118 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,000 just maybe the Democrat that's challenging the guy that you 119 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,279 hate might actually be corrupt and there's actual evidence of 120 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:49,680 the corruption, and you have to put aside your bias, 121 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,560 and you have to tell people so they have the 122 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,439 information so they can make that decision on their own. 123 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,480 And you have to do so knowing that some of 124 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:00,920 them may turn around and not vote for the guy 125 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:03,879 that you would prefer win because the Orange Man is 126 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:10,560 so bad. That's part of the job. 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Apparently it's 152 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:40,639 dropping calls. John had called in during the last segment. 153 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,960 He was on hold and then his call dropped off. 154 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,120 Is he back for real? He's there, John, Welcome to 155 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:50,559 the show. Just for the record, we did not hang 156 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:52,639 up on you. Something is wrong with our phone system, 157 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:53,799 so I apologize for that. 158 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:55,879 Speaker 2: So oh no, bron, I thought it was me. I'm 159 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,279 driving in from the mountain, so. 160 00:09:57,399 --> 00:09:59,879 Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well maybe so yeah, maybe just bad sellers 161 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:00,799 or something. 162 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, hey, first of all, I'm a liberal, and 163 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,879 I do exactly what you suggest your listeners do, which 164 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:11,840 is to listen to other news sources. So I find 165 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:17,080 that You're definitely worth listening to because you have an 166 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:22,039 objectivity that goes beyond just partisanship, which I can't say 167 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,600 about your other posts. So I enjoy your show. You're 168 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,200 not afraid to criticize the right or the left. You 169 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:34,480 talk about your own libertarian values, and you have a 170 00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:38,320 good take on things. So since you have such a 171 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,679 good take on things without risking getting fired, it would 172 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,559 be interesting to hear your analysis of your own radio 173 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,399 station in terms of bias. 174 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: So obviously, everybody that hosts a show, and I can't 175 00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:57,360 speak for anybody else's process that they go through to 176 00:10:57,399 --> 00:11:03,799 develop their material, but every hope is an opinion post sure, right, 177 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:07,240 Like the Morning Show, they do a different kind of show. 178 00:11:08,159 --> 00:11:13,159 Vince does a lot of different content with you know, religion, 179 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,799 if you will. He puts a lot of that. He 180 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,639 has a lot of that kind of content. You know, 181 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,720 Brett is more of a national guy and international, uh. 182 00:11:21,159 --> 00:11:24,960 He focuses a lot on that stuff. And like I 183 00:11:25,159 --> 00:11:30,000 my lane has been for years state local and national stuff. 184 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:34,120 But also you know media, media critique, and I know 185 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,399 Brett does that too, and Vince does that as well. 186 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Like I said, that's such a part of talk radio, 187 00:11:38,519 --> 00:11:41,440 because that's it's in our it's in our DNA, it's 188 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,960 in talk radio's DNA. 189 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, they're Rush Limbaugh for many years. I 190 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,279 mean there is a common thread among your posts. I 191 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:56,519 mean this is a conservative yeah radio station. Yeah, well, 192 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,159 I mean I would serve a bias. 193 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, but we're all just like I'm asking. 194 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: You to say, so that your listeners don't get deluded 195 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,840 into thinking they're listening to the truth. They're listening to 196 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:12,039 a conservative bias, which is fine. Everyone has their own biases, 197 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:14,080 as you said. So that's the. 198 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: Only point I want to make, right, So hang on, John, 199 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:19,159 Do you think that people who listen to this station 200 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:24,440 don't realize that they are conservatives or that they are 201 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,799 sharing the opinions of the hosts who are conservative? Oh? 202 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: I think they they are aware that they're sharing the 203 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:38,000 opinions of the hosts. I think that they sometimes are 204 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:42,519 maybe deluded into thinking that because their hosts share their opinions, 205 00:12:42,519 --> 00:12:45,240 that that's the truth, and that there may be some 206 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,000 truths out there that they're not aware of because they 207 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:51,919 don't bother to listen to other media sources, as you suggest, 208 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:52,960 they right, well. 209 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: And that's why I bring up but John, that's why 210 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,480 I bring those That's why I bring those media sources 211 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:03,279 to the show, as does Brett Winterble, as does Vince Coakley. 212 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:09,000 They they all know John. Hang on, John, I have heard, John, 213 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:14,799 I have heard. I have heard Brett quote CNN, CBS, 214 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,720 the Associated Press, NBC, MSNBC. He quotes all of these 215 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,679 news organizations. He brings you those those stories. He just 216 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,240 doesn't he doesn't. He doesn't take what they say as 217 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,559 automatic truth. He challenges just like I do. He'll challenge 218 00:13:32,159 --> 00:13:35,000 certain parts of the stories as they are reported by 219 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,240 those outlets. So so, hang on, John, do you let 220 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,600 me ask this? Hang on, John, when we're talking about John, 221 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,799 hang on, hang on when we're talking about opinion, Okay, 222 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,919 because that's what all the hosts are at this station, 223 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,720 the the the people who are are giving these opinions. 224 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:55,440 Do you think that the people who share the opinions 225 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,559 of the host as they're listening, do you think that 226 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:02,919 they would adopt opinions that they know are not true 227 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,519 or do they believe their opinions are true? 228 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:11,519 Speaker 2: Do I think they would adopt opinions that are not true? 229 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:13,399 Speaker 1: No, that they know are not true. 230 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: That they know are not true. No, I don't think so. 231 00:14:16,519 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: Okay, And just like I don't believe that people on 232 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:21,639 the left, such as yourself, I don't believe that you 233 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:24,960 would adopt an opinion that you don't believe is true. 234 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:29,519 The question is are you open to hearing the other 235 00:14:29,559 --> 00:14:32,480 in the other side of that argument? And that's and 236 00:14:32,519 --> 00:14:35,200 I will say that for all of the trash talking 237 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,240 about any other host, is that every single host welcomes 238 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,120 phone calls from people who have different opinions, and they 239 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:47,240 have these and they have these discussions and debates. Well 240 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:48,320 you don't get that. 241 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,559 Speaker 2: It's good, But I will say that I have called 242 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:53,799 in to your two different hosts, and you're much more 243 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:59,559 amenable to having a conversation with someone with a different viewpoint, 244 00:14:59,559 --> 00:15:04,080 whereas at winterbal mutes them and then mocks them. 245 00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:05,919 Speaker 1: Well, look, I've been known to. 246 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: An intelligent conversation. 247 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been known to mute people, and I definitely 248 00:15:10,039 --> 00:15:12,120 have been known to mock people when they are worthy 249 00:15:12,159 --> 00:15:16,840 of mocking. It's as yeah, yeah, So the mockable ones 250 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,840 I feel like are the ones that always call in. 251 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,720 That's not my fault, so but that's but that's to have. 252 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: A show if you're if you're really interested in w BT, Well, 253 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:34,320 w BT has done that, that sort of effeminate guy 254 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,519 that Hannity used to beat up on, the token liberal. 255 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:42,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, Alan Cos Yeah, so yeah right, So BT has 256 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,879 done that. W BT has has done that model many 257 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:48,960 times over the years. And you know what happens, You 258 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,399 know what happens. No, you know what happens. 259 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,279 Speaker 2: Now, what happens? 260 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:59,039 Speaker 1: Nobody listens. That's true. The ratings are terrible. And that's 261 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,879 really when there's going on. No, no, no, when when 262 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:07,200 when you turn the airwaves over to a liberal host 263 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:10,480 or a leftist host, the ratings plummet And that can 264 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:13,919 be seen not just here at WBT, but across virtually 265 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,480 all media. And I would submit that that is a 266 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:22,399 problem with the content, not necessarily the hosts or the platform. 267 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,279 When you see that same scenario replicated over and over 268 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,240 and over again, there's something going on there with that 269 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,120 kind of content. Like, for example, like you don't hear 270 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,960 on the NPR affiliate, they don't do live call ins 271 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,519 like this. They won't take a conservative going back and 272 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:38,799 forth with it with one of their liberal hosts. They'll 273 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,399 take a voicemail and they'll play the voicemail from another 274 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,039 liberal who asks a question. They play that and then 275 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,720 they get their guests to respond. But they don't do 276 00:16:46,799 --> 00:16:49,600 this what we're doing right now. And so why is that? 277 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:52,559 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're not talk radio, their news radio. 278 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:54,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're they're spoken word for me. 279 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're talking about to have much news 280 00:16:56,879 --> 00:16:59,080 on your station. I'm sorry, what have we been talking 281 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,759 about this entire time? I spent the whole first about opinions. 282 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,519 Speaker 1: I've been talking. No, I mean, I'm reading a story 283 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:11,799 here about two reporters that say that they had to 284 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:16,039 kill the stories during the election cycle in twenty twenty. 285 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,160 That's news. 286 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough. Let me ask you this. Do 287 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:21,240 you have a meeting in the morning with the other 288 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:24,920 host and we're now talking points to consider throughout the day. No, 289 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:30,720 things pretty consistent. No, no emails, no, no meanings, no discussions. No, 290 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,400 this is the stories be on to cover. 291 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:38,839 Speaker 1: Nope, okay, nobody. Nobody directs my topic selection, and nobody 292 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,720 directs anybody else's topics selection. Every host is free to 293 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:45,440 determine what they want to talk about, and generally we 294 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:52,400 all have probably a similar process where we look at 295 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:55,400 the headlines of the day, and so the stories that 296 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,880 are generating the most the most discussion are the ones 297 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,599 that are the most newsworthy because they are generating a 298 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,559 lot of discussion, and so those are the stories that 299 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:07,480 are selected. All right, John, I appreciate the call and 300 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:10,599 the discussion. All right, I hope you had a happy 301 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,319 holiday season. But tell me if something like this happened 302 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:16,240 at your house. 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Most people have 323 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,680 their opinion because they think it's true, and a lot 324 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,720 of people, both left and right, do not want to 325 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:31,920 have that challenged, which is why I say unchallenged ideas 326 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,960 are very easy to hold. All Right, seven oh four, five, 327 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,480 seven oh eleven, ten, may go and talk with Tim. Hello, Tim, 328 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:40,359 Welcome to the show. 329 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,279 Speaker 3: Hey Pete, how you doing? 330 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:43,319 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good. What's up? 331 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: You know what just happened with that last caller, don't you? 332 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:49,759 Speaker 1: I might have a bit of an inclination. 333 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:55,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was sending you first. You start out telling 334 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,960 you how fair and unattenuated you are, uh huh, and 335 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,480 then he hit the next STA. Okay, Now I got 336 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,359 to get him to admit that WBT Radio is a 337 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,079 conservative biased radio station. 338 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: Which that may be the first time I have ever 339 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,359 heard WBT referred to as a conservative station. I don't 340 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,599 think I ever knew that before. 341 00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think i've ever heard that either, Pete. 342 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,839 But I will say that I believe that you have 343 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:31,680 mostly conservative listeners across all your hosts. Now really didn't 344 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,799 if you ran I left this liberal station, nobody would listen. 345 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: No, And that's what I was getting to when I said, 346 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,519 like the BT, WBT, and I've been a round BT 347 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:48,880 for now, oh gosh, more than two decades, And like, 348 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,200 I remember experiments that were done on this station with 349 00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:57,240 people of varying political philosophies. And this is not just BT. 350 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,440 This occurs in other markets. It occurs in Remember the 351 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,279 big one was we were talking about it during the 352 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:06,599 break Air America and that thing crashed and burned and 353 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,279 why like they And I've said this before, and I 354 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,240 say it as a joke, but it is true. In 355 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,759 my opinion, it is true that if I had to 356 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:19,599 defend leftist ideology, I would not be able to do 357 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,960 so either. And the problem with leftist ideology is that 358 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:29,519 once presented, once challenged with alternative arguments, contrary arguments, it 359 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:33,720 doesn't hold up. And that's why hosts right and that's 360 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:38,559 why I think liberal left wing hosts do not do 361 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,440 well in an opinion format, because it's fine if you 362 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,799 get him to throw out a couple of slogans and 363 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:47,680 bromides in between commercials, but if you actually have to 364 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:51,599 test your arguments with callers, like I just did with John, 365 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000 it crumbles. 366 00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:56,279 Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, did not not hear him 367 00:21:56,319 --> 00:22:02,440 say that, basically because basically because the radio station may 368 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,960 lean conservative. I mean, that's my opinion. I like y'all station, 369 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,680 I'm conservative. But because of that, there's no way that 370 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:13,160 y'all can put anything on the air that's true, Like 371 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,920 the news isn't true. You know. I think they were 372 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,279 having fire, these major forest fires like in Los Angeles. 373 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:24,279 I feel sorry for the people. It's a tragedy, but 374 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,039 I don't think those just started in the last thirty 375 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,960 or forty years, you know. I think we had pretty 376 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,559 bad coal spells, you know, during the caveman days. So 377 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:38,400 I just don't buy him to some of the things 378 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,519 that they reasoned. I mean, you know, well, but it's right. 379 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: This is news talk, right, news talk exactly, so we're 380 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,640 we talk about what's in the news, and and yes 381 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,720 we have opinions. We are like the editorial page of 382 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:59,119 a newspaper. That's you know, for that's a shorthand analogy 383 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,440 to it. It's not exact exactly comparable in all ways, 384 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,839 but the idea is that you have a news item 385 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,960 and we're reading the news, and sometimes the news is 386 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,079 just the news, and sometimes that's all we're doing, is 387 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,240 like like you mentioned with the fires, or with the 388 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,279 western North Carolina hurricane or with the recent you know, 389 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,480 ice storms and stuff. Then we shift into just basically 390 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,759 a straight news operation because the data is just the data, right. 391 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:28,319 The information is the most important thing to put out there. 392 00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,680 But there's always some analysis, and there's always bias. I 393 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,720 acknowledge my biases. So like the idea that someone's going 394 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:36,799 to feel like it's an insult to tell me that 395 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000 I'm biased, It's not an insult. I mean human being. 396 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:42,359 Every single person has some kind of bias. 397 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,079 Speaker 3: Absolutely exactly exactly. And you know, when I call in 398 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,359 the y'all's radio station, they never asked me am I conservative, 399 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,880 my liberal and my Democrat or I'm a post They 400 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,559 just say what's your name and what's your comment? And 401 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,799 you know, it's like Vince he touched his own religious things. 402 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,079 I enjoyed that. But I also heard Vince kind of 403 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,440 give Trump, uh you know, the walk forward. Oh yeah, Vince. 404 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,680 He reports what he sees and it may be his opinion, 405 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,519 but it's not hard to see. I mean, I can't 406 00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:14,519 disagree with him. 407 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: I like Trump. 408 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: I voted for Trump. I believe Trump is gonna be 409 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:21,039 great for the country. But Vince shoots straight as most 410 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,119 of the y'all's hosts do or all of you do. Really, yeah, 411 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,400 the opinions. I appreciate it. 412 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim, I appreciate the call man. Thanks for listening, 413 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:28,240 Thanks for calling. 414 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,079 Speaker 2: Thank you all right, buddy, Okay, Yeah. 415 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:33,839 Speaker 1: I'm like this idea that that the opinions that we 416 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,400 have are somehow driven by something. Oh hang on a second, 417 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,799 I just got my talking points email from Brett. Uh No, 418 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,960 I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. Like, in fact, it's actually 419 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,640 the opposite. I'll be listening sometimes, you know, to Vince 420 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,720 in the morning or on my way into the studio, 421 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,200 and I'll hear him cover a topic that I have 422 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:56,039 in my stack of stuff, and I don't like it. 423 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,039 I'm like, dang it, I wanted to do that, you know, 424 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,160 not that it stops me from doing it. But like 425 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,559 I would, you know, there are things that we all 426 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,480 that we all kind of drift towards because we all 427 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,640 have biases, things that we think are newsworthy or important 428 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,240 or interesting to discuss. And and I don't deny that. Now. 429 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,720 The reason why we don't ask you what your politics 430 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,119 are is we have AI as a call screener, and 431 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,640 it detects as soon as you call in. It knows 432 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:31,079 immediately if you're a conservative. I'm just kidding. We don't 433 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,799 have that. We do have racial caller idea though, no, 434 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,680 I'm kidding, we don't have that either. That's an old 435 00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:38,359 Spires and Krantz joke. All right, if you're listening to 436 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,920 this show, you know I try to keep up with 437 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,079 all sorts of current events, and I know you do too. 438 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,759 And you've probably heard me say get your news from 439 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:49,440 multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, 440 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,039 which is why I've been so impressed with ground News. 441 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,799 It's an app and it's a website and it combines 442 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,920 news from around the world in one place so you 443 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,319 can compare coverage and verify information. You can check it 444 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,920 out at check dot ground dot news slash Pete. I 445 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,839 put the link in the podcast description too. I started 446 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,599 using ground News a few months ago and more recently 447 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:13,759 chose to work with them as an affiliate because it 448 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:17,680 lets me see clearly how stories get covered and by whom. 449 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,920 The blind spot feature shows you which stories get ignored 450 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,880 by the left and the right. See for yourself. Check 451 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,440 dot ground dot news slash pete. Subscribe through that link 452 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,359 and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I use 453 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,559 the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 454 00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,519 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 455 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:40,720 also supports ground News as they make the media landscape 456 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,599 more transparent. Steve told me that John called back in 457 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,799 and was complaining about the story that was covered in 458 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,119 our newscast, saying that that was in news and see 459 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,720 first off, I would beg to differ the story about 460 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,960 a South Carolina state lawmaker's child killing themselves be called 461 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,880 they were being extorted by an online hoax that other 462 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,319 kids could be exploited by. That then prompted the lawmaker 463 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,839 to get a new law put in place. And then 464 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,279 the new part So like seventy five percent of the 465 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:16,960 word news is new, and so the new part of 466 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,119 the news was that the person who had extorted the 467 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,240 child has now been arrested and brought back to America 468 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:28,519 to face charges, or brought to America to face charges. 469 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,839 So that's news. So that's the first thing I disagree. 470 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,200 I believe that is news. Secondly, that is the kind 471 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,039 of debate that occurs in the news organizations. Somebody would 472 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,440 come forward and say, hey, I got this story. Here's 473 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,880 this lawmaker's son who killed himself and they passed a 474 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,640 law and now they caught the guy that prompted all 475 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,839 of this, and should I go cover it? And then 476 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,359 maybe somebody like John is in the newsroom and says no, 477 00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:00,279 we should cover transgender rights or something, and then the 478 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,920 newsroom would say transgender rights, transgender rights, and so that's 479 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,359 what everybody goes and covers, right. So it's a different 480 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,400 approach right to story selection, that's all. And this is 481 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,519 what I said at the very beginning, was you have 482 00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,599 to determine what is news. And people have different opinions 483 00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,480 about what is news. And just because your opinion is 484 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:23,880 that that story isn't news doesn't mean that it's not news. 485 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,559 It may not be of interest to you, but it 486 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:32,079 is most assuredly news. As I mentioned, three quarters of 487 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,640 the word news is new, and that was in fact new, 488 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,599 also new, but not really. The CIA has said for 489 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,640 years that it did not have enough information to conclude 490 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,720 whether the COVID pandemic emerged naturally from a wet market 491 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:51,119 in Wuhan, which is not racist. To say that all 492 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,160 those Chinese people are eating all of these bats not racist. 493 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,240 But rather the accidental or the other theory was the 494 00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:01,319 accidental leak from a research life, which was racist. I 495 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:03,839 was told at the time, that's a racist idea that 496 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,000 like a high tech lab, super smart people and the 497 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,359 thing broke containment and leaked out. That's the racist theory. 498 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,480 Eating the bats at the wet market not racist. Okay. 499 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,160 So the agency now has issued a new assessment this week, 500 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,720 with analysts saying, yeah, they now favor the lab leak theory. 501 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,079 Oh really, now it can be told yet again after 502 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,599 four years. But now the CIA weighing in, they say, 503 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,079 And by the way, New York Times reporting no new 504 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:39,079 intelligen there's no new intelligence behind this shift. It's just 505 00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:41,440 based on the same evidence that they have been chewing 506 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,240 over for months, four years. As it were, The analysis 507 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:47,279 is based in part on a closer look at the 508 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:50,960 conditions in the high security labs in Wuhan Province before 509 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,160 the pandemic outbreak, according to people familiar with the agency's work. 510 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,839 A spokeswoman for the agency said that the other theory 511 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,519 remains plausible, kind of racist, and the agency will continue 512 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:06,839 to evaluate any available credible new intelligence reporting right. Made 513 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:12,119 more difficult, obviously by the fact that China hasn't exactly 514 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:15,720 been forthcoming, which is totally what a government would do 515 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,920 if it was not involved in a layub leaque. 516 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,359 Speaker 3: Right. 517 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: If it's just a bunch of the the bat soup 518 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:25,640 that got a bunch of people sick and killed billions 519 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,240 around the globe, causing this pandemic and trillions of dollars 520 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:37,240 in economic carnage, right, they surely, surely they would not 521 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:40,759 want to participate in figuring that out, because then they 522 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,039 could pin it on some guy at a market. But 523 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,480 rather than go that route, they just shut everything down, 524 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,480 which has always been a weird thing to me, Like, 525 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,119 if China wanted to pin it on the wet market, 526 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,440 I feel like they could have done better, you know, 527 00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,519 I feel like there was something there that they could 528 00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:59,680 have done. They could have made that happen. It's just 529 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,319 one of those things where it's like I have this 530 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,279 expectation that China can do something and then they turn 531 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:05,720 out not to be able to do it, sort of 532 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,680 like the fortune cookie, Like what's up with that? It's 533 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,640 like the same cracker thing that's like not very good, 534 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Like you guys have not perfected this thing and you 535 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440 didn't and they stole that too. Apparently it was from Japan, 536 00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:22,920 so classic Chinese comies. Let me read a couple of emails. 537 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,039 Kevin says, Uh, this is why I listened to NPR 538 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,640 and WBT, I watched Fox and NBC, ABC and CNN. 539 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:39,160 So many only listen, uh, or what news outlets that 540 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,319 back up the narrative they want to hear, and that 541 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,200 is that is a problem. It is people only gathering 542 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880 their news or only getting their news from you know, 543 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,119 one place and thinking that now they are fully informed 544 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,640 about stuff and it this is Uh, this is the 545 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:03,000 Dunning Krueger effect, where you know, people who are least 546 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,359 informed of the material have the most confidence that they 547 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,240 are correct. Essentially, you know, the more you know, the 548 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,559 more you realize you don't Know's that's part of life. 549 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,319 That's everything, And as you get older, I think people 550 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:22,720 become more wise to that that. When you're younger, you 551 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,000 learn one thing and you think this is the thing, 552 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:27,359 this is the truth, you know it all. And then 553 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,240 you go out and you get exposed to more and 554 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:30,960 more stuff, you learn more and more stuff, and then 555 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000 you start realizing, Wow, there really is a lot that 556 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,400 I don't know. There are other things about this that 557 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,559 I don't know. Now, That's why, Like if new information 558 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,039 presents itself, I am open to be persuaded with new information. 559 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:52,759 But generally the opinions I have arrived at, particularly on 560 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,400 the big issues and the core philosophies, those are things 561 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,039 that I've examined. Those are things that I have been 562 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,759 open to hearing other sides on. And when I get 563 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:06,640 to the point where I'm at like, hey, this is 564 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:13,119 a fundamental principle of mine, like there has been examination, 565 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,839 and I'm only speaking for myself, I could speak for 566 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,319 no other human being. All I can say is that 567 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:20,720 that that's for just for myself. And sometimes that means 568 00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:24,160 that I don't know what the truth is. And I 569 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,279 can say that I don't know what the truth is. 570 00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:29,200 With the lab leak, I don't know It could have 571 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,160 been a lab leak. It could have been a wet market, right, 572 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,480 could have been aliens. Right, But right now it seems 573 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:39,720 like the preponderance of the evidence, and the most compelling 574 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:43,319 evidence to me, points in the direction of the lab leak. 575 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,000 Do I know that's exactly what happened? No, because I 576 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:50,240 wasn't there, and if I was there, I probably would 577 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,440 have been arrested because I hate commies and they would 578 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,599 have sniffed me out pretty quickly because I'm not a 579 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,279 very good liar. All Right, that'll do it for this episode. 580 00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,400 Thank you so much for listening. 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