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Epstein Files. What the heck? What's going on? Yesterday? I
was not following all of this as it was occurring
in real time yesterday, but apparently the White House brought
a couple of I don't know, about a dozen of
I don't know social media influencers. I don't know. I
don't like the uh not a big fan of the term.
I mean because technically I'm one too, I guess, although
I don't identify as one, but I don't like the
I don't like the name for people, particularly those that
are you know, engaged in politics and journalism and such,
and they just they publish, you know, self publish on
social media. And that's where they've built their their following.
Now to be sure, there are people that are simply
influencers and that's all they try to do is influence
opinions and to try to make money doing so. I
understand the model there, and there are you know, various
iterations of it. There are extremes of it where people
just sort of engagement farm and same thing. By the way,
in radio radio you could say is sort of the
original the og on some of this stuff, and you know,
like shock jocks for example. But the problem I've always
said with that model is that eventually it leads to
the only conclusion that it can, which is you getting fired.
Because if your whole shtick is to shock, that means
you have to constantly push the envelope, you know, further
and further and further, and then eventually you go too far,
because that's what has to happen. You're testing the boundaries
and at some point you're going to cross the boundary,
and when that happens, you're out of work, even though
that was specifically what you were hired to do. So
I don't like and you know, people have all sorts
of It's always interesting when I hear what people think about, well,
what they believe this job is about for me, and
every host is different, by the way, so I only
speak for myself on this. You know, I came to
the radio hosting world from the world of reporting. Was
I was a radio news reporter here at WBT for
almost a decade and that background. I went to college
with a mass Colm broadcast journalism degree minor in political science,
had enough credits for a minor in philosophy, but they
did not allow double minors. I'm not bitter, but I
totally am. But I don't even know. I don't even
know what to but I actually have another minor in philosophy.
Oh why why didn't you say so? Like we weren't
going to hire you, but that philosophy minor. That But uh, anyway,
that background informs how I do the hosting gig, and
everybody comes at it from a different perspective and different approaches.
And you know, content is king. That's what I've always believed.
And if you produce good content, people will find you.
And uh, that's how I do. That's how I approach
my gig. I look at the news and I think
what is important for people to know about and let's
do a deep dive and let's examine sort of the
underlying philosophy and politics behind a particular news story. There
are others though, that approach, you know, in social media,
and they are simply engagement farming, which is sort of
the equivalent of shock jockery, if you will, and they
don't really care about anything specifically except keeping their numbers up.
And it is it's a treadmill I have. When I
first started doing the podcast, this was twenty twenty, and
I sort of did a crash course in the podcast
industry to learn, you know, what it was all about
and how people can actually make a career doing it
and that sort of thing. Very very very few people
can actually make make a career, make a living as
a podcaster, as a social media influencer, and one of
the biggest challenges is that you have to keep creating content, which,
just to be honest, in doing the research on the
podcasting industry, there wasn't a whole lot I didn't already know.
I was kind of surprised. It's basically radio, okay. The
stuff that you learn that makes good content and makes
for a successful radio career are the same sort of
things that apply in the podcast world, there is a
constant need to fill the content whole. Right, you have
to keep putting stuff in. You got to keep putting
stuff out. And for a lot of people that rely
on high engagement numbers, it's a very difficult treadmill to
keep pace with. I totally understand that. And in the
pursuit of that, they will end up putting stuff out that,
you know, increasingly shocks or is increasingly false, and they
don't they don't care because they have to keep running
on that treadmill in order to keep the money coming in.
And this is a pressure that every media outlet deals with,
every one of them. I've often said, right, the old
you know kid on the corner with the newspaper, you know,
extra extra, read all about it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They didn't sell newspapers by screaming that absolutely nothing happened today.
Read all about it. Nobody would buy your paper. Right.
So there's always a pressure to have breaking news, to
have scoops, exclusives and that sort of thing. And how
how an outlet balances that is how you build trust. Right,
you don't exaggerate things, you don't lie about stuff, you
don't pretend that things are a bigger deal than they are.
You don't make up stories, right, You don't become mouthpieces
for you know, for a particular political campaign.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: People have to trust you, The audience has to trust you.
So that's been my approach, that's been my philosophy and
doing this gig. I only speak for myself. Everybody else
can speak for themselves. So I'm not trying to impugne
all of the quote influencers that that it went to
the White House to get their copies of the social
or of the the Epstein files. Right, Jeffrey Epstein, this
monster ran the you know, pedophile island down there with
the Lolita Express, and uh, you know, trafficked young girls,
underage girls, trafficked them to the island where they were
essentially forced, if not coerced, into having relations with all
sorts of powerful men and women to I don't want
to be exclusive, but it was predominantly men. There are
a lot of people that Jeffrey Epstein had in his rolodex,
a lot of famous names and numbers and such, Okay,
And it was promised under the Trump administration that they
would release all of the Epstein files because it is well,
I haven't seen polling on it. If I have, it's
been a very long time. But the general consensus I
kind of feel like at this point is that Jeffrey
Epstein didn't kill himself. Now, isn't that where kind of
I feel like that's where most people are. It was
just a little too convenient, you know, that the camera's malfunction,
the guards fall asleep, and then the guy is dead
and he's got all of these secrets. And I have
said for years also ever since this stuff hit the news,
there is way more to this story than and uh
then I know then I think anybody knows at this point,
which is why people want the files. Right. It seems
to me as if there are there are ways that
the intelligence community could benefit from a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
The operation that Epstein was running where he had everything,
you know, wired up in his house with mics and
cameras and all that stuff, it seems to me like
a honeypot. We talked about it the other day with
James Comey, you tried to run a honeypot operation on
the Trump campaign. He put two you know, attractive women
into the Trump campaign, uh, you know, orbit to try
to get them into the uh, you know, to get
them into relationships with the with Trump allies and advisors
and such, and then you essentially flip them. Right, it's spycraft.
So why would I think that the Epstein story would
not have any kind of connection to the intelligence community
that uses this very kind of an operation and has
for a very long time. Right, you set up these
operations and then you ensnare powerful people and once you
get them, now you got them, and you can make
them do stuff. You can you can coerce them, you
can blackmail them, you can get money from them, all
sorts of things. So that's what it seems like to me.
And so when Jeffrey Epstein dies in jail before he
can face charges and maybe rat out people and blow
the lid off the whole thing or whatever, that was
really suspicious. When his right hand man or woman, Gislaine Maxwell,
when she gets convicted serving you know, twenty plus years
in prison for you know, trafficking and acting as a
as a madam for the you know, underage coerced prostitutes,
Well it kind of is weird that none of the
people that ever use the services ever got charged like
she ran this whole operation and there were no clients.
That seems weird, right, So a bunch of these social
media people get invited to the White House to get
the files. They pose outside with the binders that are
supposedly filled with all of the information, and then it
turns out no, not really, not all the information, and
it's just been an embarrassing mess. So what actually happened?
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so what all went down with the release of the
Epstein files to these quote unquote social media influencers? And
I keep saying that because I don't consider some of
these people to be simply, you know, influencers. They're not
out there just like oh I tried some nail polish,
you know, oh, this is the brand of vegetable supplements
that I take it like. That's not that's not really
what they're doing. These aren't people that are just talking about,
you know, fashion trends and such. One of them was
libs of TikTok for crying out loud. I wouldn't like,
I don't classify that person as an influencer. Tia I
forget her name, But Liz Wheeler is another one, like
she does. She's a host, she's a podcast host anyway,
and she was one of them. You're going to hear
her explanation as to what actually went down yesterday. So
here is how the Miami Herald, and tip of the
hat to the Miami Herald, because without them, the Epstein
story would have basically gone away. But it was through
their reporting of a local story that had international implications
right that the Miami Herald covered that we became aware
of Epstein in what was going on and the way
that his first case was basically covered up in a
sweetheart deal. So they have a rite up as to
what occurred. But then Liz Wheeler will explain what actually
happened because she was in the White House. She got
one of the binders and came outside had the picture taken, which,
in case you hadn't seen it, it was flying all
around the interweb yesterday where you got like a dozen
of these people out there and they're holding up the
binders and they're like posing with it, and then it
turns out there's nothing in there that we didn't already
have publicly available, and so everybody's like they're posing and
they got trolled, ha ha ha and all this, and
then the House Judiciary Committee sends out a tweet with
the Rick Astley never gonna give you up. They like
the Rick roll. And so what the message was apparently
that they were trying to convey was that we are
getting rolled, that the FBI from the Southern District of
New York is rolling us, They are gaslighting us, they
are obstructing. That was the message that they were trying
to get out but couldn't. But why well, because apparently
the calm shop at the White House was like, well,
Trump's got another meeting. We don't want to bigfoot that.
We don't want this to be the main question that
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after making an explosive announcement that the Trump administration was
releasing long awaited secret documents containing shocking new details of
crimes by child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and others. US
Attorney General Pam Bondi posted less than two hundred fewer
then actually two hundred pages of previously released flight logs,
an evidence log, and a heavily redacted list of contacts.
She then blamed the FBI for withholding the rest of
the documents. What did I say the other day, By
the way, in the Trump era, it is wise to
just give it a minute. Just give this a minute, right.
We'll find out a little bit more as things develop.
So this was the initial story. Mainstream legacy outlets rushed to,
you know, spike the football and rub the right wing
media influencers faces in it and all that, like, oh
my god, you got sucker. There's nothing new here at all.
They lied to you. Everybody's lying you guys, stink right.
That's been the focus of the coverage. In an interview
on Fox News on Wednesday, Bondi claimed that the Epstein
files were quote on my desk and would be released Thursday.
It wasn't until later that she admitted that the information
she had was dated. In fact, some of it was
already widely published years before. Late Thursday, Bondi sent a
letter to FBI director Cash Patel, criticizing the agency for
failing to turn over all the files. In the letter,
she claimed she had been misled. She called for an
investigation and demanded that Patel turn over everything by eight
am Friday. So several things can be true here. Number one,
If Bondi was out there saying that she has seen
the files and they're shocking and all of this when
she hadn't actually seen them, then that means that somebody
along the way told her, oh yeah, the stuff in
there is shocking, or she decided to make that up right.
If that's if that's how that happened. Now you're saying
you don't have the files. Why'd you say you had
the files. Here's what Liz Wheeler, who got one of
the binders, went outside, and then after all of this happened,
she well, actually, here, let me do this first, because
she did a video from the airport. Here's what she
told Glenn Beck this morning on his radio show that
the photo shoot at the White House quote unquote photo
shoot was intended to be which by the way they
walked out of the White House, the media was there
and so they started taking pictures of them, and so
that all of the people were like, hey, what's up.
We got, you know, holding up the binders and stuff.
It wasn't intended to be a message sorry. It was
intended to be a message to the legacy media that
they no longer had power to manipulate the truth. However,
it got spun into something else. She said, quote, it
was our impression at that moment when they came out
with the binders, that within about two minutes we would
be able to break the story that the Southern District
of New York was stonewalling Pambin. Apparently Bondi told them
this at the meeting when she gave them the binders
and said, we didn't get the information from the SDNY
Southern District of New York, which, if I recall correctly,
took a whistleblower to confirm right that Hunter Biden, the
laptop and the investigation, all that stuff, that they had
this information, they had confirmed, the laptop, all of that.
It took a whistleblower inside the Southern District of New
York to expose the corruption at the office. She says,
So when the legacy media was so sour and bitter
that we had gotten the binder, and they didn't. We
were laughing at them. We were holding up the binder saying,
you know what, you've been relegated to the bushes because
they were hanging out like behind these bushes at the
White House. Because you lie in, you smear, and you
gaslight the American people, and we are the media. Now
within about two minutes of the picture being taken, we
are then told please don't report on the binder itself
or the story about the Southern District of New York
until three point thirty because the White House did not
want the press conference between Trump and the UK Prime
Minister to be solely focused on the SDNY Epstein files story.
So all of a sudden, we're in a situation where
the press has gotten photos of us with these binders
that appear to be real Epstein files, and yet we
knew they were not. We begged for the embargo to
be lifted. It appeared to be a bait and switch,
and my goodness, that's the last thing that was ever intended.
So they were because they had promised these people to
give them what they had regarding the Epstein files. They
followed through and said, here's what we have. But we
know this isn't all of it, and so here's what
you like. We promised we would give you stuff. This
is all we've got because this is all the FBI
turned over, but we know there's more, and so we
smell a rat. And so the influencers walk outside with
these binders, fixing to tell the story that the FBI
is still covering this up, and the White House says,
don't talk about it. We don't want to bigfoot the
President with his UK meeting. We don't want that to
be the topic of the conversation. He's there with the
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, and we want that to
be the focus of that event. And that jams up
the influencers who walk outside. Media jumps out of the bushes,
takes their pictures and they're like, haha, we're the media
now and they're getting their pictures taken. And then the
next thing they're like, oh yeah, don't talk about any
of this. And so it presents this image which the
media is very happy to run with that you guys
were the victims of a bait and switch. Look at
how the Trump administration rolled you, when in fact it's
the FBI that is rolling. That's the story that Liz
Wheeler is telling. We'll hear it from her. From her,
she shot a video after she walked out of the
White House and then went to get on an airplane,
and while she's waiting on her plane, she does a
live stream where she answers questions and all this. But
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she got the binder yesterday of the quote Epstein files.
She then is, you know, going to the airport, gonna
fly home, I assume, and she goes live on her
YouTube channel and tells her audience, her followers, what all
happened with these files that they were given by Pambondi,
the US Attorney General, saying is we're.
Speaker 2: All waiting for bombshells. We're all waiting for juicy stuff.
And that's not what's in this binder. That's not what's
in this binder at all. And that's exactly how the
Attorney General presented it to us. She handed us this binder,
and she said, the President of the United States, Donald Trump,
has given me an order to declassify the Epstein files,
and I have been quickly working on doing just that
because we want to be the most transparent administration in history.
We know that as of a week ago. She went
on I believe it was Fox News and said that
she had the Epstein files on her desk, and when
I think was Jesse Waters asked her, well, is there
anything Have you found anything juicy yet? She said not yet.
So her message to me when she handed me this
binder was, we expected to release bombshells. We expected to
find the dark stuff, the dirty stuff, the names of
the people that were involved in what Epstein was doing.
And when these files were put on my desk and
I and she was relating how she looked through them.
She was relating how she looked through them. She said
it wasn't what I was expecting. And I said, is
this it is this? This is it? And she said,
something is not right here now. Just because she had
that feeling, she still wanted to not only fulfill the
president's order to release these she wanted to do it
in a timely manner. And so they prepared this binder.
They were going to release what's in this binder, and
I'll show you what's in it. It's also going to
be available online here shortly so that all of us
can go through it. And we're going to talk about too,
how this is bypassed the legacy media, and how this
is the Trump administration is harnessing new media to release
this sort of exclusive, which is a good thing. But
late last night, after Attorney General Pambondi and FBI Director
Cashputel prepared this binder the Epstein files, a source called
Attorney General Pambondi a source from within the FBI, from
within the Southern District of New York, and this source
told Pambondi that even though she had been told that
this was the extent of the Epstein files, it's not
the extent of the Epstein files. That there were hundreds,
if not thousands of other documents and files and pieces
of evidence that the s d n Y, the most
corrupt district in the United States, was hiding. They were
hiding from President Trump, they were hiding from Vice President Advance,
they were hiding from Attorney General Pambondi, they were hiding
from FBI Director Cash Patel. They were hiding from you,
And so you should is it okay? I'm I apologize
that it's buffering so badly.
Speaker 1: That's really frustrating. Issues.
Speaker 2: We are sitting in an airport terminal here because I
didn't want I didn't want you to think that I
was trying to hide something. The story here is quite remarkable.
The story here is this letter from Attorney General Pambondi,
and I want to read a little bit of it
to you. It says, dear Director Patel, before you came
into office, I requested the full and complete files related
to Jeffrey Epstein. In respect to this request, I received
approximately two hundred pages of documents, which consisted primarily of
flight logs, Epstein's list of contacts, and lists of victims
names and their phone numbers. I repeatedly questioned whether this
was the full set of documents responsive to my request,
and was repeatedly assured by the FBI that we had
received the full set of documents. Late yesterday, I learned
from a source. Is it too bad to him or
is it okay?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is late yesterday Attorney General Bondi rights, I learned from
a source at the FBI Field Office in New York
was in possession of thousands of pages of documents related
to the investigation and indictment of Epstein. Despite my repeated requests,
the FBI never disclosed the existence of these files. When
you and I she's talking to Director Patel spoke yesterday.
You were just as surprised as I was to learn
this new information. By eight am Tomorrow, February twenty eighth,
the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files
to my office, including all records, documents, audio and video recordings,
and material related to Jeffrey Epstein and his clients. Regardless
of how much information was obtained, There will be no
withholdings or limitations to my or your access. The Department
of Justice will ensure that any public disclosure of these
files will be done in a manner to protect the
privacy of victims and in accordance with law, as I
have done my entire career as a prosecutor. I'm also
directing you to conduct an immediate investigation into why my
order to the FBI was not followed. You will deliver
to me a comprehensive report of your findings and proposed
personnel action within fourteen days. I appreciate your immediate attention
to this important matter. I know that we are both
committed to transparency for the American people, and I look
forward to continuing to work with you to serve our
president in our country, sincerely, it signed Pamela Bondi, Attorney General.
This is the story. This is the story right here
that the Attorney General and the Director of the FBI,
when they were given what they had ordered, they had
ordered the full Epstein files to be delivered to them.
When they were given what they ordered, they smelled a rat.
They knew that it was not the full and complete file,
and yet they were committed to transparency giving you these files,
which is why they compiled this binder. And the real
story is that there are deep state agents in the FBI,
especially in the Southern District of New York, who are,
as we speak, working to subvert the Trump administration, working
to subvert you, trying to cover up what Jeffrey Epstein
did and who he was associated with, which is beyond despicable.
So don't allow the legacy media, who right now are
chagrined because they were not given an exclusive. Don't let
the legacy media convince you that there's not a story here.
The story here is incredibly important that not only is
the Trump administration trying to give you transparency, but that
the deep state agents are trying to hide it.
Speaker 1: So again, this is how the Miami Herald covered what occurred.
Right By late afternoon, Bondi had apparently given binders of
documents to a group of Trump social media influencers, many
of whom posted photos of themselves on Twitter gleefully holding
up gleefully holding up the binders they were given ahead
of the American public. So they got a scoop basically,
which is what all of these other media outlets try
to do themselves and publicize, and they give themselves awards
for scooping others, right, but it's different when they do it.
They quickly soured after opening the binders, realizing that they
contained pages of redacted material and flight logs that were
already made public in twenty twenty one as part of
the criminal trial for Epstein associate Gislaine Maxwell. So, but
they quickly soured after opening the binders. You just heard
Liz Wheeler say they knew that this was that this
was not a complete accounting of all of the files.
Bondi told them in that meeting. So how does the
Miami Herald know that they soured after they opened the binders,
that they didn't realize this before they had the picture
On Wednesday night, Bondie told Fox News that she said,
what you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow is a lot
of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information.
It's pretty sick. What the man did along with his
code offended. It was after that segment that she recorded
with Jesse Waters on Fox News or did live. That's
when she was contacted by somebody inside SDNY who said,
you don't have all the documents. We're sitting on thousands
of them and they didn't give them to you. That's
apparently what happened. The optics looked terrible, almost as if
there was some sort of a strategy employed here. All right,
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