Speaker 1: All right, Internet will play your game. Machir's Wild Mac
Speaker 1: vers wilds Mac. The Internet has gone crazy over the
Speaker 1: last week asking who would win in a fight one
Speaker 1: hundred men or one gorilla, one very large silverback gorilla.
Speaker 1: I will ask you right now, Mac, who wins in
Speaker 1: a fight one hundred max or one gorilla.
Speaker 2: So here, here's the main issue with this argument is
Speaker 2: one hundred is a lot and like, clearly you think
Speaker 2: you might be able to overwhelm the gorilla. But if
Speaker 2: there's no weapons, that means everything's going to be like
Speaker 2: up close and personal, and that means there's also like
Speaker 2: no means to having one hundred people with hands on
Speaker 2: you know, like you could maybe do waves of like
Speaker 2: eight to ten people. And so then really it becomes
Speaker 2: an argument of can ten waves or twelve waves of
Speaker 2: eight to ten people defeat a gorilla? And then that's
Speaker 2: a much different argument, right, So like ten eight to
Speaker 2: ten mes, No, I don't think so eight to ten.
Speaker 2: John joneses, No, Now we're having a conversation here. I
Speaker 2: there's a whole strategy thing that's got to be involved here,
Speaker 2: because like no doubt, we're losing a lot of men.
Speaker 2: We're losing a lot of Max. I think it's possible.
Speaker 2: I would not bet on myself or the one hundred
Speaker 2: John joneses, I see an avenue as to how it
Speaker 2: could happen, But like, I don't think you could really
Speaker 2: choke a gorilla out, So that's like out the window, right.
Speaker 2: You would have to just like maybe blind it initially
Speaker 2: as much as you can with some fucking eye punches.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's not a Gorillas are pretty pretty dense,
Speaker 2: pretty thick, way fucking stronger than humans. I think if
Speaker 2: you're near water it helps. You might be able to
Speaker 2: drown the fucking thing. That's probably your best case scenario.
Speaker 2: But I don't have faith in myself or one hundred
Speaker 2: of myselfs against a gorilla.
Speaker 1: Mac first wild, Now, Mac, what if it was the
Speaker 1: hive mind? Do you believe with a hive mind of
Speaker 1: one hundred Max, say a mister Smith situation? Does that help?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So you're thinking, let's think, uh, Matrix reloaded here
Speaker 2: that courtyard fight scene with a thousand mister Smith's. You
Speaker 2: know that's that would be ideal if you could just
Speaker 2: overwhelm the thing. I just I don't know if it's possible,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's all about the hands on. If you
Speaker 2: get twenty guys on the gorilla, you might be able
Speaker 2: to stop it. And then you have the next couple
Speaker 2: guys come in and just fucking throat punch, eye punch.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't been close enough to a
Speaker 2: gorilla to assess how many people could get hands on
Speaker 2: a gorilla. And that's like, there's something to also be
Speaker 2: said about like once the like the first ten get
Speaker 2: their limbs ripped off, with the other ninety even gonna
Speaker 2: want to get involved. So I don't know, I think
Speaker 2: it's possible. I wouldn't bet on it.
Speaker 1: Macvers Wild, But what if you are now dealing with
Speaker 1: a Mac one through one hundred situation much like a
Speaker 1: Mickey seventeen, where it's a bunch of rogue agents that
Speaker 1: might not have the same goal in mind?
Speaker 2: Oh, no chance, no chance there. The only the only
Speaker 2: way that's possible is if you know, different versions of
Speaker 2: me have different weapons or have weapons.
Speaker 1: No weapons are involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no weapons is absolutely what's so?
Speaker 1: Like Macverse Wild, you could also look at human beings
Speaker 1: as being able to create tools out of nothing, even
Speaker 1: you know, finding your surroundings we are at the top
Speaker 1: of the food chain, macvers Wild. I believe that there
Speaker 1: is a reason why gorillas don't rule this world. Macvers Wild.
Speaker 2: We also have to take into account that gorilla is
Speaker 2: by nature a pretty you know, they're interested in things,
Speaker 2: and they're curious about things, and they're not necessarily just
Speaker 2: apex predators in the sense like I don't know, like
Speaker 2: a big cat might be like a gorilla might let
Speaker 2: you coexist with it.
Speaker 1: Well, well, so, macvers Wild, you look like a giant baby.
Speaker 1: What if the gorilla wants to start babying you? And
Speaker 1: you know, mother you.
Speaker 2: That's my life. Now I'll take that. Yeah, why not?
Speaker 1: Macvers Wild. And you could look at an example in
Speaker 1: the wild where in Japan they have these Japanese murder
Speaker 1: hornets that are two inches long. These motherfuckers are scary
Speaker 1: and these things can go into a bee hive and
Speaker 1: destroy the bees if the bees are not working together.
Speaker 1: But if they are working together, a hive of bees
Speaker 1: can take down one of these murder hornets. This thing,
Speaker 1: it's all about teamwork. Macvers Wild.
Speaker 2: Boo, It's certainly about teamwork. But again, you know, flying
Speaker 2: is a whole different thing. Like you get a couple
Speaker 2: of bees on that sucker, and then it can't fly anymore,
Speaker 2: and then it loses a lot of it's you know,
Speaker 2: plus side type of thing. One of the big things
Speaker 2: that I have in my argument against large dogs like
Speaker 2: wolves is they can't climb, and you can get the
Speaker 2: upper ground. That's not the case against big cats. That's
Speaker 2: the case against gorillas or anything that can climb, So
Speaker 2: you lose that aspect of it. I just I have
Speaker 2: no faith in a hive mind of one hundred mes
Speaker 2: beating a gorilla.
Speaker 1: Well, what the bees do is they'll surround the hornet
Speaker 1: and they'll use their body temperature to almost incinerate it.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I don't think I'm capable of that.
Speaker 1: You can't do one hundred naked macs on a gorilla
Speaker 1: and then you heat it up in the hot one good?
Speaker 2: Three?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just three, King of Queen Mall Street Entertainment. I'm
Speaker 1: good and I'm Mac, And I found the gorilla sound
Speaker 1: effects to be too boring, so I went ahead and
Speaker 1: took some donkey Kong.
Speaker 2: Sounds, okay, trying to figure out what that was. Go, yes, Mac,
Speaker 2: there's a new Marvel out that's supposed.
Speaker 1: To be Nuts thunder.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Mac, what is your favorite ac
Speaker 1: DC song? Oh? Dirty Deeds, Oh Dirty Deeds is good.
Speaker 1: I was thinking Shook Me all night long or Hell's Bells, Dads, Done.
Speaker 2: Dirt, cheap dirt Deeds and the done Dirt, cheap Dirt.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't just have a You know what.
Speaker 1: My favorite song is big Balls. I really like when
Speaker 1: they live that.
Speaker 2: The biggest balls of them all? What a what a catalog?
Speaker 1: That is the Beverly Hills of the AD catalog.
Speaker 2: Don't you dare, don't you?
Speaker 1: I've got big balls. She has got big balls. Guys.
Speaker 1: This song is great. Let's put it on an album.
Speaker 2: We are discussing Thunderbolts asterisk. This is the thirty sixth
Speaker 2: cinematic entry into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Plus we also
Speaker 2: have eleven seasons of television, so that makes this the
Speaker 2: forty seventh individual entry into the MCU. We are creeping
Speaker 2: up on fifty. Thunderbolts concludes, Phase five ends Phase five.
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four will be the movie that kicks off Phase six.
Speaker 2: Thunderbolts is targeting a seventy five million dollar opening weekend.
Speaker 2: I hope it does better than that. Brave New World
Speaker 2: got to eighty eight million, but again, we don't have
Speaker 2: that big name. We don't have Captain America in the title,
Speaker 2: and it's open to get to one hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: to one hundred and seventy five million worldwide. Prior to
Speaker 2: Brave New World, Google only three post COVID MCU movies
Speaker 2: were under one hundred million domestically on their opening weekends.
Speaker 2: That was Eternals, Chang Chi, and The Marvels. I think
Speaker 2: what that tells you is the Marvels at forty six million,
Speaker 2: instantly became underrated. Chunk Chi's kind of underrated as well.
Speaker 2: We don't really need to talk about Eternals. Gu this
Speaker 2: movie early on this week got its Rotten Tomatoes score
Speaker 2: in the nineties, I believe on Metacritic it was in
Speaker 2: the low seventies or high sixties early on, and we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: so this should be pretty good and rapid reaction after
Speaker 2: I left the theater and I said, Wow, that's really good.
Speaker 2: Is it great? I don't know, but that's really good.
Speaker 2: That's a really good movie, and it's mostly self contained.
Speaker 1: I also think that it builds upon what we love
Speaker 1: in Marvel movies and superhero movies where it's off brand
Speaker 1: team ups. We like team ups with characters that we
Speaker 1: don't know a ton about. Our favorite Marvel movie is
Speaker 1: Guardians of the Galaxy. Our favorite DC movie is The
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad. This is fairly similar where it's these are
Speaker 1: worse people than the Guardians, but roughly the same. But
Speaker 1: in Suicide Squad they don't really have like the self
Speaker 1: reflection of the things that they've done in the past,
Speaker 1: and you know, having to deal with that. These characters
Speaker 1: are constantly in their own heads and are dealing with
Speaker 1: accepting their past depression, finding purpose, seeking fulfillment, having an
Speaker 1: emptiness in their life, and I think the movie does
Speaker 1: a great job with that.
Speaker 2: That's a good comparison. A good movie, to sort of
Speaker 2: throw this up again, is Guns the Suicide Squad. I
Speaker 2: feel like the Suicide Squad is more fun and funnier.
Speaker 2: This is a better script, probably a better story, a
Speaker 2: little more emotional, but that's a good comparison.
Speaker 1: I would say it's more emotional. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: it's a better script per se, and also I think
Speaker 1: it is. I think that has better pants tent moments.
Speaker 2: I agree, that's more fun, maybe more and more higher
Speaker 2: up superhero ass.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more color in the Gun movie and
Speaker 1: Baltimore James Gun movies. Actually. Also, I think that Florence
Speaker 1: Pugh is a standout that that movie does not have
Speaker 1: like a grounding force, a real force, because that one
Speaker 1: is way more cartoonish. This one has Pew and her
Speaker 1: depression and just not wanting to be by herself anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to be around.
Speaker 1: That's she said that for two straight out.
Speaker 2: Thunderbolts is a PG thirteen action adventure, crime, drama, fantasy,
Speaker 2: and sci fi movie. I thought, I mean, I thought
Speaker 2: did a pretty good job at like all of those things.
Speaker 2: It wasn't too sci fi until we get to the
Speaker 2: third act and then we we have like a five
Speaker 2: to ten minute sequence involving like the void or the
Speaker 2: character of the voids. I don't know what you would
Speaker 2: call it. And that was really cool. It does a
Speaker 2: little bit of everything, and it does it all pretty well.
Speaker 1: Is Harry doctor Strange esque?
Speaker 2: It had vibes of that. Yes, this has a run
Speaker 2: time of one hundred and twenty six minutes, just over
Speaker 2: two hours. As I mentioned early on in the week,
Speaker 2: it was a ninety something Rotten Tomato score currently ninety
Speaker 2: percent after one hundred and eighty five reviews. I'll check
Speaker 2: on the audience score if we have one. In a second.
Speaker 2: On Metacritic a sixty eight standing strong, and that's that's
Speaker 2: pretty good, especially for an off the beaten path Marvel movie.
Speaker 2: This movie is written by Eric Pearson. We would know
Speaker 2: him from his work on Agent Carter Thor, Ragnarok, got Zillaverse, Kong,
Speaker 2: Black Widow, and Transformers one, so he's had himself quite
Speaker 2: the start to a career upcoming. He is the writer
Speaker 2: of the Fantastic four movie First Steps, something called Fast
Speaker 2: and Loose, and he's attached to that Blade movie that's
Speaker 2: probably never happening. The second writer on this movie Goo
Speaker 2: is Joanna Callo. I've never heard of her. All her
Speaker 2: credits are television wise, but she's the show runner for
Speaker 2: The Bear. She's written episodes of Beef Hacks and BoJack Horseman.
Speaker 2: No pretty much for her producing so far, but she
Speaker 2: obviously contributed in a significant one.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of BoJack Horseman in this movie,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. There's been a lot of
Speaker 1: talk about BoJack Horseman around the office over the past
Speaker 1: week or so, okay, and it seems like everyone dipped
Speaker 1: out of that show at the exact same time when
Speaker 1: we all became horribly depressed.
Speaker 2: I never got into that show you were into it for.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. And then once they started getting
Speaker 1: back into the flashbacks of his mother, oh no, thank you,
Speaker 1: no thank you.
Speaker 2: So I think she's got a bright future Joanna Kalo.
Speaker 2: This movie is directed by Jake Skryer, also a person
Speaker 2: I have never heard of. He directed Paper Towns and
Speaker 2: Robot and Frank. Robot and Frank. I've never heard of
Speaker 2: Paper Towns. I've heard of, not seen. He also directed
Speaker 2: an episode of Skeleton Crew, six episodes of Beef, and
Speaker 2: other various TV stuff and music video, so it sounded
Speaker 2: like Callo and Scryer I've worked together in the past.
Speaker 2: I thought the direction was actually pretty strong on this.
Speaker 2: There were some really good shots in this movie, and
Speaker 2: like right out of the gate too, I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: the camera work in the directing.
Speaker 1: I also thought that this movie tick over two hours, flew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pacing very strong and goo to that point just
Speaker 2: looked up the ride t score for the audience ninety
Speaker 2: five percent from the audience, that's Marvel's back and it's
Speaker 2: better than ever.
Speaker 1: I called that during the movie draft. I said that
Speaker 1: when this movie comes out, everyone's going to say that
Speaker 1: Marvel's back classic comes Damis.
Speaker 2: They kind of have a point, But also.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The one thing that you can jump
Speaker 1: off of this movie with is don't just have all
Speaker 1: of your movie be assembly line movies? And I think
Speaker 1: that's what the issue say with Brave New World was
Speaker 1: it felt like an assembly line movie. This while it
Speaker 1: did have its Marvel tropes. The first act did have
Speaker 1: a lot of the same type of marvelisms. But I
Speaker 1: like how, let's say deep they go with all of
Speaker 1: these characters.
Speaker 2: I also think that because we are forty seven entries in,
Speaker 2: we absolutely have to ask the question occasionally during plots
Speaker 2: of certain stories, where the hell and so and so?
Speaker 2: Why the hell doesn't so and so show up? This
Speaker 2: movie did a really good job not getting to that
Speaker 2: point where like, oh, so and so should be there,
Speaker 2: or this hero should be here. Why is appersonal here?
Speaker 1: Maybe you could say, like where's Strange? But maybe Strange
Speaker 1: is off in a different dimension. Where's Spider Man? He's
Speaker 1: trying to kiss a girl.
Speaker 2: But we only get to that point with like ten
Speaker 2: minutes left, and at that point, you know, things get
Speaker 2: wrapped up. So I thought it did a really good
Speaker 2: job being self contained and also not mareeking of Hey,
Speaker 2: they're purposefully ignoring a certain character, a character that should
Speaker 2: be there, So that that was this movie's strength as well.
Speaker 2: SYNOPSISKW after fighting themselves ensnared in a death trap, an
Speaker 2: unconventional team of anti heroes must embark on a dangerous
Speaker 2: mission that will force them to confront the darkest corners
Speaker 2: of their past. So very much like Suicide Squad as
Speaker 2: Goo mentioned.
Speaker 1: No, but I think these I think this movie does
Speaker 1: a better job of the characters actually having to confront
Speaker 1: their past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think part of that is because we
Speaker 2: have so much Marvel history that MSU history, where this
Speaker 2: is more grounded and more real, whereas in the DCU
Speaker 2: it's it's been a bit more.
Speaker 1: It's grounded and more real with their three super soldiers
Speaker 1: and their ghost. But also I so with that, I
Speaker 1: do think this movie, if you're looking to bring kids
Speaker 1: to it, I think this might really be one of
Speaker 1: those PG thirteen movies wait until they are a teenager,
Speaker 1: because it's super gun heavy. And then also it's not
Speaker 1: something that they shouldn't see. It's something that they should
Speaker 1: see with you. And that's a good conversation to have
Speaker 1: with your kid after.
Speaker 2: That's a good point for a superhero movie. This isn't
Speaker 2: really geared to like your eight to ten year old kid,
Speaker 2: and it does say PG thirteen, but there's plenty of
Speaker 2: PG thirteen stuff that an eight to ten year old
Speaker 2: kid can handle.
Speaker 1: Just like, Okay, like, let's compare it to thor Love
Speaker 1: and Thunder. There's a lot of silly stuff in there
Speaker 1: that a kid might like, but then you're also dealing
Speaker 1: with the cancer stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this I think
Speaker 1: tonally is geared more toward the thirteen and up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. It's it's it's it's dealing
Speaker 2: majorly with mental health and.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that drug use as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah that as well, dude. This movie stars Florence Pugh
Speaker 2: as Jolena Belova, Sebastian stan as Bucky Barnes, Julia, Luis Dreyfuss, Valentino,
Speaker 2: alegra Defontaine, Lewis Pullman is Robert Reynolds aka of the Century,
Speaker 2: David Harbor is Alectionally Shostakov, Red Guardian, Wyatt Russell is
Speaker 2: John Walker, US agent Hannah john came as a of
Speaker 2: a star Ghost Oga Kirole Ankle as Antonio Dracoff, Taskmaster,
Speaker 2: Gerald Deane Gerald. It's about as many lions as task
Speaker 2: Master had Gerald Deane Viswanathan as mel Wendel, Pierce's congressman Gary,
Speaker 2: and Chris Bauer as Holt. I think that those first three,
Speaker 2: actually those first four pew Stan, Julia, Louis Drivers, and
Speaker 2: Lewis Pulman were fantastic in this movie.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, lollish their role on three out
Speaker 1: of four. Oh, okay, I didn't think Julia Luis Dreyfist
Speaker 1: and I may be talking about her entire run in
Speaker 1: the MCU not that great.
Speaker 2: Oh I really liked her in this movie. Maybe okay,
Speaker 2: maybe not fantastic, but she was very good in an
Speaker 2: expanded run.
Speaker 1: I would throw her out the well, Yeah, throw her
Speaker 1: out the window, and then I would say that David
Speaker 1: Harbor as Red Guardian, I think the comedy in the
Speaker 1: movie because he's not in there telling jokes. It's the
Speaker 1: way that he delivers his lines is almost a laugh
Speaker 1: every single time. I think that once he enters the movie,
Speaker 1: that's when it kicks up.
Speaker 2: He's good, he's pretty one note, but he's a successful one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's someone that so, like we said, dealing
Speaker 1: with your past. So you have a lot of these
Speaker 1: characters that are dealing as past mercenaries, as people that
Speaker 1: would go in there, they'd have a lot of blood
Speaker 1: on their hands. Wyatt Russell's character was at the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain at one point and then crashed all
Speaker 1: the way down to being so disliked that he then
Speaker 1: had to deal with stuff with his family because he
Speaker 1: couldn't get over it, Whereas David Harber's character Red Guardian
Speaker 1: kind of similar in the fact that he wasn't able
Speaker 1: to stay with his family because he was so obsessed
Speaker 1: with his past. But he was obsessed with the good
Speaker 1: parts of his past, and he couldn't get over the
Speaker 1: great parts of his past.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I just I don't know. I guess
Speaker 2: I expected that out of David Harbor more than I expected,
Speaker 2: sort of. I don't know if you have watched veepku.
Speaker 2: I know you were aware of Veep and you've seen
Speaker 2: some episodes, but from beginning to end, I don't know
Speaker 2: how much you've seen in that show Julia Louis Dreyfus
Speaker 2: really is a villain, and you get kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: some of that in this role here. I think she
Speaker 2: does a really good job being very hate herble and
Speaker 2: that's not easy to do in terms like it's easy
Speaker 2: to hate a character because they stink, but hating a
Speaker 2: character because they're a good villain is different. And I
Speaker 2: thought you did a very good job in this movie
Speaker 2: to that point. One of the characters that were introduced here,
Speaker 2: or the main character introduced in this movie, is Lewis
Speaker 2: Pullman as Robert Reynolds bubb aka Century. He was so good,
Speaker 2: so good playing like, hey, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know how the fuck I got here, and then like
Speaker 2: when he makes his turn, I thought he was really good,
Speaker 2: Like he was asked to do a lot, he did
Speaker 2: a lot. I think he crushed it. And I thought
Speaker 2: his chemistry with Florence Pugh was awesome.
Speaker 1: I also like the fact that he delivered most of
Speaker 1: his lines with marbles in his mouth, like he was
Speaker 1: very His diction was not good in this but not
Speaker 1: everyone should speak like that. Someone who especially someone that
Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of confidence in what they're saying
Speaker 1: should be speaking really low and not out of their chest.
Speaker 2: Right and like looking down into the left, like not
Speaker 2: making an eye contact. He did a really good job
Speaker 2: with whatever guidance he was given.
Speaker 1: So Mac like I made the comparison early because going
Speaker 1: into it, I was expecting a guardian's experience. And while
Speaker 1: we did get anti hero reluctant hero found family, this
Speaker 1: definitely went further and you got you got it out
Speaker 1: of the shoot with Florence Pugh first scene of her
Speaker 1: just feeling empty, having this void, needing to find guidance
Speaker 1: in her life, seeking fulfillment. This is something that like
Speaker 1: Thor kind of gets into a little bit in his movies,
Speaker 1: but they went a lot deeper in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they did a really nice job sneaking
Speaker 2: in thematically in the undertones of this movie something rather
Speaker 2: heavy and and but they don't hit you over the
Speaker 2: head with it, because it's just sort of the constant
Speaker 2: beat of the movie with almost all of their main characters.
Speaker 2: And so it is a movie that This is why
Speaker 2: I was claiming that it was a better script than
Speaker 2: The Suicide Squad, because there's a real message in here
Speaker 2: that you come away with at the end of the
Speaker 2: movie being like, yeah, that's actually like there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a heartwarming thing in here. And I know
Speaker 2: it's a superhero movie, and and we did love the
Speaker 2: Suicide Squad and there's a lot of fun in that movie,
Speaker 2: but there's just something a little different in this movie
Speaker 2: that that kicks it in certain certain areas.
Speaker 1: I like that they went off the beaten path with
Speaker 1: that theme and because of it, and I know that
Speaker 1: you say all sense endgame, sense endgame. This is the
Speaker 1: most unique MCU movie. I would even say sense before
Speaker 1: Endgame because the Avengers movies, they're Avengers movies probably sense
Speaker 1: like love and not love, and Thunder probably sense like Ragnarok,
Speaker 1: and it's uniqueness.
Speaker 2: I yeah that, And I think No Way Home stands
Speaker 2: out obviously because of all the paths that got Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's it's obviously where it's Apples and Orange, just
Speaker 2: trying to compare this to a No Way Home, even
Speaker 2: though I might have liked them almost exact same range area,
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's it's a movie that I think
Speaker 2: that non super like. If you're not into superhero movies,
Speaker 2: I think you can still really like it, enjoy this
Speaker 2: movie because it's more grounded, less power type stuff. There's
Speaker 2: some good action set pieces in there that's not just
Speaker 2: a color explosion of magic like it's this is just
Speaker 2: a baseline good movie, regardless of the superhero and MCU aspects.
Speaker 1: And it's all behind the dead eyes of Florence Pugh's
Speaker 1: just dead, lifeless eyes movie. Until get a little flicker
Speaker 1: of light bub bub All right, shall we do the Gauntlet?
Speaker 2: Let's do it?
Speaker 1: Fun factor not super fun. I thought it was Actually
Speaker 1: I thought some of the funner scenes was early on
Speaker 1: when it was more marvelly. But the better movie was
Speaker 1: after they got past it, Like when they're trying to
Speaker 1: escape from the vault. You know, that's that's fun teamwork
Speaker 1: of you know, people that really haven't dealt with each other.
Speaker 1: But then once you get more into the story, it's
Speaker 1: not as fun, but it's way more interesting.
Speaker 2: Oh by the way, if you were listening to this
Speaker 2: before you go into the theater and then going to
Speaker 2: listen to the rest when you come out, there's a
Speaker 2: mid credit and a post credit, so stay with the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 1: Also, I know we haven't done this in a while.
Speaker 1: We're twenty five minutes in. We recommend it. This is
Speaker 1: actually the first Marvel movie in a while where on
Speaker 1: the ride home from the theater, my wife said, we
Speaker 1: should see that again.
Speaker 2: Wow, how about that?
Speaker 1: When is the last Marvel movie that you rewatched?
Speaker 2: That's a good question, they think of the more recent releases.
Speaker 2: No way Home, I did rewatch. I rewatch the Marvels too. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe the Marvels. I guess. The fun factor in this
Speaker 2: movie is the back and forth amongst the crew. We're
Speaker 2: we're given here because they all have slightly different characters,
Speaker 2: and this is why we always liked the fun group
Speaker 2: team up dynamic, because it leads to the fun factor.
Speaker 1: Satisfactor. I was very satisfied. And some people have called
Speaker 1: the final battle anticlimactic. I actually liked that because it
Speaker 1: wasn't just the normal. I think the worst part of
Speaker 1: WandaVision is an episode nine. They went away from the
Speaker 1: entire first eight episodes and they just started throwing light
Speaker 1: at each other. This didn't just turn into a big
Speaker 1: punch them up. It did something a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And to be honest, when I was
Speaker 2: watching it happen, I wasn't sure if I liked it,
Speaker 2: And then maybe be like thirty minutes later, when I
Speaker 2: had gotten home and was thinking about the movie and
Speaker 2: was taking notes, I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: really did like that ending because it fits with everything
Speaker 2: the movie was driving towards everything the movie was talking about,
Speaker 2: everything the movie was leaning on. Talking about it, It
Speaker 2: really fit.
Speaker 1: Talk it out, talk it through. Yeah, let's not just
Speaker 1: just try and fist each other. Let's try and really
Speaker 1: what borometer Malan was that that Tim Allen. I could
Speaker 1: have done that for Mac for a while. Let's see
Speaker 1: her borometer.
Speaker 2: No, No, I think the pacing is really really strong.
Speaker 2: It's uh, it doesn't really take any time off.
Speaker 1: It's good because even the stuff with congress whoever that
Speaker 1: congressman was, the way that he delivered his lines made
Speaker 1: me laugh.
Speaker 2: And honestly talked about it a little bit in our
Speaker 2: in our Daredevil Born Again review Reborn Whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: that that shows?
Speaker 1: I keep on calling it the wrong name too.
Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for like courtroom stuff then procedural stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So I actually really like that stuff.
Speaker 1: Halloween. Will this movie wane over time? Possibly? I'm pretty
Speaker 1: high on it right now.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe because it does sort of lack a major
Speaker 2: pants tent moment. It's just beat for beat, really strong throat,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because okay, some massive scene. This isn't a super spoiler.
Speaker 1: You figure that this is gonna happen where you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Century Verse the other let's call them heroes, it's
Speaker 1: Superman Verse, the other heroes. It's not as good as say,
Speaker 1: like Justice League or even the Battle in the Eternals
Speaker 1: when they have the Superman like character in there. This
Speaker 1: is I think, has a little more fun with it.
Speaker 1: But the other ones are better looking or even think about.
Speaker 1: And it's animated, but oh fuck, what's it called the
Speaker 1: show that you're still watching?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Invincible? The first episode of Invincible where Omniman is fighting
Speaker 1: the rest of the Justice League, Like, that's fucking way
Speaker 1: better than this.
Speaker 2: And I think part of that is because Centuries pulling
Speaker 2: punches a little bit right, He's allowing them to get away.
Speaker 1: He said that I'm stronger than a god. He had
Speaker 1: a little bit of Anakin Skywalker to him. We just
Speaker 1: saw Revenge of the Sith the Gloe Eyves a little
Speaker 1: bit Awkquater Worlds. I like it better than Aqua World's
Speaker 1: not awkward, sure, it's Waterworld.
Speaker 2: No, that's the sequel.
Speaker 1: Max Credit Union. Who are you giving credit to?
Speaker 2: I think it's gotta be Florence Pew. She's the heart
Speaker 2: and soul of this movie. She's what makes everything go.
Speaker 2: They lean on her on the emotional moments. She crushes it.
Speaker 2: I think it's Florence Pew.
Speaker 1: I agreed, best Black widow movie so far.
Speaker 2: I think it is.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, Plemonade, Who are you giving pleming
Speaker 1: a two? I'll jump in on this one. Task Master
Speaker 1: Justice for task Master.
Speaker 2: I want to say Lewis Pullman, but he's probably in
Speaker 2: it too much. Lewis Pullman is maybe Rookie of the
Speaker 2: Year for this one. If I can't go Pullman, i'd
Speaker 2: actually say Gerald Deane Viswanathan is Well. I think she
Speaker 2: did a good job, being like I'm just in a
Speaker 2: position and I'm trying to do my job, but like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm recognizing things are fucked up. I thought she was
Speaker 2: pretty good too.
Speaker 1: Oh, back to Max Credit Union real quick. I want
Speaker 1: to give credit for them two. So they pretty good
Speaker 1: movie here with a bunch of spare parts. I would
Speaker 1: say characters that we didn't necessarily love from movies that
Speaker 1: no one, No one was asking for this group of characters.
Speaker 1: But besides Bucky Barnes, we'll give them that because we've
Speaker 1: been asking for something more Bucky, and we got one
Speaker 1: pretty cool fucking Bucky scene in this But this is
Speaker 1: all spare parts slap together with silly glue, and.
Speaker 2: That's what we call it.
Speaker 1: That's what we call it. And the end result is
Speaker 1: I find a few of them way more likable. Some
Speaker 1: of them are on that path to redemption, and I
Speaker 1: do like how say, like with Walker, it was someone
Speaker 1: in Captain America Boys who was trying to always do
Speaker 1: the right thing, went down like the wrong path and
Speaker 1: now he's just a complete dickhead.
Speaker 2: Hey, did you want the uh super glup? No? No, no,
Speaker 2: oh you wanted the crazy glue?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, I'll take I'll take the silly glup please. That's
Speaker 2: the warm borge.
Speaker 1: That's the best kind of glue because it holds really
Speaker 1: well at first and you think you did the job well,
Speaker 1: and then we all have a laugh when everything falls apart.
Speaker 2: Goo Pants Tent City Excite by Mania. In this movie,
Speaker 2: I thought it was like it was sort of essentially
Speaker 2: the same sequence, but it's kind of two different scenes.
Speaker 2: You talk about Century sort of fighting everyone. I thought
Speaker 2: it was super awesome, the visual aspect of when that
Speaker 2: gets hit and then the comes over and like the
Speaker 2: ensuing five minutes was great and it was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I don't really know what's happening here, but it looks cool.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bleep what you just said because I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a spoiler. But it's okay, don't I.
Speaker 2: Don't think it is.
Speaker 1: Well, guess who has control of the edit? Me Jordan Hudson.
Speaker 1: That's who. It's a topical reference right there, Don Hudson,
Speaker 1: I'm the Jordan Hudson of this show. I would say
Speaker 1: excite bike Mania. I really enjoyed the escape. I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed Red Guardian being introduced into this movie. I don't
Speaker 1: think anything is like super excite Bike Many. I don't
Speaker 1: think anything is like you're gonna seek it out on YouTube.
Speaker 1: This is the scene that you need to go find.
Speaker 1: But I think on the whole it's very good. I'm
Speaker 1: maybe that Bucky scene, maybe when Bucky's like I am
Speaker 1: I'm not a fucking senator, Like what am I doing
Speaker 1: with my stupid slick back hair? I will say this,
Speaker 1: let's take the credit. What's the opposite of Max credit Union?
Speaker 2: I don't know, foreclosure.
Speaker 1: I did not care for the wig work in this.
Speaker 1: I don't think the wig work on Bucky was very good.
Speaker 2: Who's Bankruptcy Department?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, good on the wigs?
Speaker 2: Okay? Fair enough for those of.
Speaker 1: You tarty to the Mac and Goo party. We rate
Speaker 1: everything on a forty hot dog rating system.
Speaker 2: Mac.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the overall theme and motif of this movie.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything that truly stands out,
Speaker 1: but I do think even with that, it stands out
Speaker 1: against other Marvel movies.
Speaker 2: Ash stands out.
Speaker 1: Old Potato Face. I really enjoyed my viewing. I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead. I might see it again in theaters.
Speaker 1: Whoa I know Florence Pugh is amazing in this. I
Speaker 1: think that Red Guardian is one of those Coorg type
Speaker 1: characters where you can give him something really mundane to say,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna find a way to say it funny.
Speaker 1: I like the back and forth with him and the
Speaker 1: Winter Soldier because he's like, oh, we're we're equals with
Speaker 1: me and you. I mean you had super I had
Speaker 1: the Soviet version of it, like I really enjoyed those
Speaker 1: two together. I think that Walker could have been a
Speaker 1: little more fleshed out. They could have done more with
Speaker 1: what his downfall was.
Speaker 2: I just don't think we're ever gonna like that character.
Speaker 2: So I think they imply like he was on the
Speaker 2: back burner a little bit.
Speaker 1: The way that they were able to take all of
Speaker 1: these characters from phases four and five that we don't
Speaker 1: necessarily love that we got bit parts of and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: remember them, Well, We're about to make them way more interesting.
Speaker 1: Like they've tried to pull other characters from other movies,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, what is the point of this?
Speaker 1: This felt like it had a point. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Thirty four hot Dogs.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, I am. I'm in mostly total
Speaker 2: agreement with everything you said there. The stuff surrounding century
Speaker 2: and the some of the climax of this movie I
Speaker 2: thought was really cool. I'll won't say anything further because
Speaker 2: it gets spoiled. Hillary some really cool shots in this movie.
Speaker 2: Just in general, I thought the direction in cinematography was strong.
Speaker 2: There's a very relatable message in this movie. However, I
Speaker 2: do think that's gonna turn some people off to it
Speaker 2: because they're coming to a superhero movie to sort of
Speaker 2: get away from that, and I think that might bother
Speaker 2: some However, I do think it's what makes this movie
Speaker 2: better than a lot of other superhero movies. Like I
Speaker 2: said a few minutes back, this this story and this
Speaker 2: movie does a good job not making a question, Wait,
Speaker 2: why isn't so and so coming now? Why isn't this
Speaker 2: hero here? For? For X amount of reasons it was.
Speaker 2: It's pretty self contained and it stays in its lane.
Speaker 2: Pew and Pullman are awesome, Harbor's good comic relief. Stan
Speaker 2: Is you know, he easily falls back into that. Bucky
Speaker 2: roll Russell as Walker was solid. Hannah john came in
Speaker 2: as Ghosts is like fine, Like.
Speaker 1: Ghost is kind of underused, though I will say that
Speaker 1: you have a character that can fucking phase through shit.
Speaker 2: And I also feel like she's in the Bells out
Speaker 2: of all these characters, like we never really disliked her,
Speaker 2: thought she was bad in the first place. I also
Speaker 2: thought again, Julia Louis Dreyfuss was strong in her expanded role.
Speaker 2: I have this at thirty five Hot Dogs Goo my
Speaker 2: number two movie of twenty twenty five, behind Sinners. Same
Speaker 2: and at thirty five hot Dogs in the MCU GOO.
Speaker 2: That's my thirteen to eighteen range. I have No Way Home,
Speaker 2: Doctor Strange, Civil War, Ant Man and the Wasp, and
Speaker 2: Iron Man. So those are really quality movies, good borderline
Speaker 2: great movies, and I think this movie fits in very
Speaker 2: well in that group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have it roughly, like you said, anywhere outside
Speaker 1: of the dozen of like thirteen to fifteen or sixteen.
Speaker 1: We're even thirteen to nineteen. But it falls in I
Speaker 1: think very easily with Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three,
Speaker 1: where they're both pretty funny movies, but it is dealing
Speaker 1: with some deeper things, some heavier stuff, but you feel
Speaker 1: the love. You feel like you feel like it's not
Speaker 1: just being slapped together with spare parts from other movies. Well,
Speaker 1: it kind of is a spare characters, but you feel
Speaker 1: like the story isn't just slap together.
Speaker 2: I will say, though, I like Guardians three a tad
Speaker 2: more because it's a conclusion and it's tying things up,
Speaker 2: and it's send offs to characters, and it's a little deeper,
Speaker 2: it's a little more emotional.
Speaker 1: This is like also dealing with the character that we've
Speaker 1: known and loved for ten years It's story.
Speaker 2: But not as good close though close.
Speaker 1: I mean it is. Both are dealing with the depression
Speaker 1: of like the main character. But we've but we've known
Speaker 1: this Raccoon for so much longer.
Speaker 2: Raccoony.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the spoilers. Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers
Speaker 1: until Max done blowing his nose.
Speaker 2: No spoilers.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: One of the biggest questions we had, The biggest question
Speaker 2: we had surrounding this movie is what the fuck is
Speaker 2: up with the asterisk? In Thunderbolts. We find out pretty
Speaker 2: early on it is the name of Yolena's youth soccer
Speaker 2: team in which Red Guardian, her father was the coach.
Speaker 2: And what they're essentially telling us that was the last
Speaker 2: time she was happy, And so it sort of becomes
Speaker 2: a running joke amongst the group, and they actually end
Speaker 2: up calling themselves, facetiously, the Thunderbolts. The second part of
Speaker 2: that goo is a double meaning. Here with the asterisk
Speaker 2: this movie called the Thunderbolts, they probably so badly wanted
Speaker 2: to call the New Avengers, and that's what we see
Speaker 2: at the end of the movie. The title card flips
Speaker 2: from Thunderbolts to the New Avengers, because at the end
Speaker 2: of this movie, in the post credit, we get the
Speaker 2: new Avengers, and this also finishes before we get to
Speaker 2: the post credit, we see them all, you know, coming
Speaker 2: towards val They're like, Hey, we would like to kill her,
Speaker 2: but we can't. YadA YadA. That motherfucker tricks them into
Speaker 2: a press conference a little iron man esque, and she
Speaker 2: announces them as her big over our.
Speaker 1: As century is raining down concrete upon New York and
Speaker 1: they're saving them. You could see the wheels turning in
Speaker 1: her head of like, oh, I'm gonna use this because
Speaker 1: I obviously can't show this shadow fella to the press
Speaker 1: right now. What I do love here is that right
Speaker 1: after she makes the announcement, we get into the credits,
Speaker 1: where it's newspaper headlines and everything else of everyone, of
Speaker 1: all these publications questioning these are not my Avengers, which
Speaker 1: is the exact thing I said when she introduced them.
Speaker 1: I'm like, people would not accept you have murderers you have.
Speaker 1: They might accept ghost I don't know, but you have
Speaker 1: three bootleg Captain Americus who are all known for being
Speaker 1: bad people and have all killed many people, and they're
Speaker 1: all well known for this. No one would accept them.
Speaker 1: Luckily we got the credits. Where is the headlines of like,
Speaker 1: not My Avengers, which is what I said to myself,
Speaker 1: and then the post credits. The mid credit was funny,
Speaker 1: but the post credit of the fighting over who the
Speaker 1: Avengers are.
Speaker 2: So this is the best little tidbit, the best little
Speaker 2: nugget in the post. Well maybe not the best, but
Speaker 2: maybe for longtime MCU fans and people that are feeling
Speaker 2: like you for the hashtag not My Avengers. So it
Speaker 2: cuts to fourteen months later. I'm not one hundred percent
Speaker 2: sure why. I think we're roughly in the summer of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven and the MCU we see the new
Speaker 2: a logo for the New Avengers. It's a little different,
Speaker 2: and they're talking about how Sam Wilson has his own
Speaker 2: team of Avengers separate from the New Avengers, and these
Speaker 2: two teams of Avengers got beef with each other, and
Speaker 2: they're basically talking about how they're kind of getting shut
Speaker 2: out from the space stuff. And it doesn't sound like
Speaker 2: Fury is even really acknowledging Sabers, not really acknowledging this
Speaker 2: New Avengers. They're kind of I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure that Fury is even involved anymore, though, I feel
Speaker 1: like Fury's doing other stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh fine, whatever, But Saber, you know, they're they're sort
Speaker 2: of shutting out this new Avengers team and they're kind
Speaker 2: of stuck to just being earth bound heroes instead of
Speaker 2: space stuff. And it's interesting to note that there's they're
Speaker 2: setting the seeds for some infighting amongst our heroes, as
Speaker 2: we know coming up in the next Avengers.
Speaker 1: The Avengers vx Men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of that infighting sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. I also thought it was interesting to note
Speaker 2: here that Bob is just hanging around being a dude,
Speaker 2: but he hasn't yet gone back to century or turned
Speaker 2: back into century, because if he does, there's always the
Speaker 2: chance that the Void can creep back in this this
Speaker 2: sort of dark personality that's involved with him.
Speaker 1: It's very legionesque.
Speaker 2: It is that it's a good point, that's a good comparison,
Speaker 2: very legion esque. And the part that Goo bleeped out
Speaker 2: earlier when I was talking about pants tent ish moment
Speaker 2: when he he's maybe gonna kill Veal has val up
Speaker 2: against the wall and Mel hits the switch. You know,
Speaker 2: you see him kind of like shut down and then
Speaker 2: there's this like blanket of black that comes over the
Speaker 2: character and he turns into the Void. I thought that
Speaker 2: was really cool. And then the next five minutes when
Speaker 2: he's just turning people into shadows, I didn't know if
Speaker 2: they were getting sent into the actual void that we've already.
Speaker 1: Dealt with the getting killed too, yeah or that.
Speaker 2: And then it sounds like, or it looks like, at
Speaker 2: least in my estimation, that the Void essentially can create
Speaker 2: a pocket universe that he sends these people to where
Speaker 2: they have to deal with their like worst memories. And
Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting, and it sort of
Speaker 2: leads into the whole theme of this movie. And then
Speaker 2: do at the very end of this post credit we
Speaker 2: get Elna talking to her AI system and it says
Speaker 2: extra dimensional ship entering the atmosphere, and you're like, huh,
Speaker 2: and you hear a little bit of the Fantastic four
Speaker 2: theme and we see the Fantastic four ship coming towards Earth,
Speaker 2: darting towards Earth, and I thought it was my suspicion
Speaker 2: that Fan four stick was gonna end with that their
Speaker 2: world exploding and them jumping into the MCU at the
Speaker 2: end of their movie. I'm pretty confident now that that
Speaker 2: might happen in like the middle of their movie, because
Speaker 2: there's no way, there's no fucking way they're gonna give
Speaker 2: us the end of that movie.
Speaker 1: No, they they might, because they've given us no chance.
Speaker 1: They've given us some teases of like this, these characters
Speaker 1: are gonna join.
Speaker 2: Movies though they've given us scenes, not conclusions.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, but not conclusions. But they've given us like,
Speaker 1: we don't know how they're gonna end up doing this,
Speaker 1: but they're kind of telling us like they're gonna enter
Speaker 1: this universe, this world at this time. We don't know how,
Speaker 1: we don't know why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what I'm saying is I felt I felt
Speaker 2: like the end of that Fantastic Four movie was gonna
Speaker 2: end like that, them coming into our MCU.
Speaker 1: Our world, our main and I still think it is.
Speaker 2: And I don't think there's any fucking chance that's the
Speaker 2: case now.
Speaker 1: I still think it does that.
Speaker 2: The credit that you jumped over by the way was
Speaker 2: pretty funny. It was only thirty seconds, but Red Guardian
Speaker 2: tried to get recognized with the box of weedies. That
Speaker 2: was a good scene.
Speaker 1: It's like Derek Lowe going to a bar with his
Speaker 1: red sox Jersey on.
Speaker 2: Goo I have here. It's one of my first notes
Speaker 2: when I left the movie, Lol, Taskmaster. It felt like
Speaker 2: this was an acknowledgment by everyone at MAM were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we fucked up this character. We're gonna kill her instantly she.
Speaker 1: Got slip nodded. That was the first thing I thought
Speaker 1: about is as soon as she was killed, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't see that actress in many of the press tours.
Speaker 1: Kind of like how with David Ayr's Suicide Squad you
Speaker 1: had the team on one side and slip Knot was
Speaker 1: kind of off to the side, and you remember that
Speaker 1: in that movie his head was blown off in the
Speaker 1: first fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it was also like maybe the coolest kill
Speaker 2: of the whole movie with ghost phasing in and then
Speaker 2: fucking so that was really funny. I thought the cool
Speaker 2: sci fi aspects of this movie were like those strange
Speaker 2: type stuff in the Void Pocket universe. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: And the whole thing around this movie was val Is
Speaker 2: getting prosecuted or they're they're they're having a court case
Speaker 2: or hearing to uh, what's the what's the world? Impeach
Speaker 2: to impeach her she's the head of the CIA. She
Speaker 2: is running this group called the Ox Group, which was
Speaker 2: working on Project Century. Basically, they were taking down and
Speaker 2: out people like Robert Reynolds and injecting them with a
Speaker 2: ship ton of stuff to see if they could turn
Speaker 2: them into essentially a corporate superhero. So you are getting
Speaker 2: a little bit of like Homelander type vibes here. So
Speaker 2: that was really what what this whole movie?
Speaker 1: I thought it was more like, who is the brother
Speaker 1: in gen v the one that's a little unhinged, can't
Speaker 1: control what he's doing? Sam? I thought it was very
Speaker 1: Sam ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that it was. It was similar to that.
Speaker 2: But what it's hearkening on it, or what it's what
Speaker 2: it's talking about, is like you're being created by these
Speaker 2: corporate entities and being trying trying to be controlled by them.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Mac. We heard of
Speaker 1: the Falcon cap creating his own team. Who do we
Speaker 1: think is on that team? I have some names here,
Speaker 1: tell me yes or no? Okay, Scott lang ant Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like it feels like he's gonna be
Speaker 2: a part of Sam's team for sure.
Speaker 1: New Falcon. Yeah, he's obvious. I think he's the most
Speaker 1: obvious of the Kate Bishop.
Speaker 2: So this is where I'm getting a little confused, because
Speaker 2: they were clearly setting up young Avengers. Yeah, two or
Speaker 2: three years ago with Kate and with Yolayna, and I
Speaker 2: feel like if Kate's gonna go anywhere, it'll be Elaine's.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe they Well, what I'm thinking is that they're
Speaker 1: already off to the side. I think that new cap,
Speaker 1: Sam Wilson Cap is gonna put his team together and
Speaker 1: he'll have some younger Avengers on there, and then after
Speaker 1: these next two movies, they're gonna merge together and only
Speaker 1: the younger ones will be the Avengers.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, no, I understand you're saying. I just feel like,
Speaker 2: if Sean gun to a ball, James gun to her head,
Speaker 2: Kate Bischop's picking Lena's side.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if she does, because they also had some.
Speaker 2: Again, all she does is shoot arrow, so she can't
Speaker 2: really help in space time stuff.
Speaker 1: No, I'm aware of that, unless she has to shoot
Speaker 1: a floppy disk she hulk.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think here where she would fall. She
Speaker 2: doesn't seem well light and she.
Speaker 1: Got none of that really matters.
Speaker 2: Might fall into the rough and tough.
Speaker 1: None of that really matters. No, it's just about who
Speaker 1: would Sam try and recruit to his team.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, well, I'm talking about who they would pick.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't matter who they pick.
Speaker 2: Well, it does to me because I don't think she's gonna.
Speaker 1: Help so because Defontayne has already put her team together.
Speaker 1: So though though that is the team, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: see who else Wou might go with Sam. I don't
Speaker 1: think she I'm not saying pick one side.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm telling you what side they would pick given
Speaker 2: the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Well, do you think that's Scarn? Do you think Scarn
Speaker 1: is his name? Scorn Scarn, that's the Hulk Sun right
Speaker 1: with the little Wallscarn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's his name.
Speaker 1: Scarf Scarf, it's Smurf. Do you think the Smurfs would
Speaker 1: would join Sam?
Speaker 2: Hundred?
Speaker 1: Sam said, all right, fine, any of the Marvels. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that Captain Marvel is no longer going to be
Speaker 1: associated and act she never really was associated with any side,
Speaker 1: but maybe Photon or mis Marvel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, miss Marvel again. It felt like they were setting
Speaker 2: her up for a young Avengers, which might might still
Speaker 2: be in play. I feel like she would probably be
Speaker 2: on Sam's side because she was.
Speaker 1: I don't care who's on whose side. They just need
Speaker 1: to be recruited to a team.
Speaker 2: Well, they're gonna recruit everyone we've seen goo. But I
Speaker 2: think she'd probably she'd she might want to go samsaid
Speaker 2: because she's looking up to those heroes she's known for
Speaker 2: ten years.
Speaker 1: I feel like Billy Maximov is still a little ways
Speaker 1: off from being used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also feel like I don't know if
Speaker 2: he wants to get involved at all in any of this.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like Thor is not going to
Speaker 1: be involved in any of this, but then will be
Speaker 1: pulled in when there is the threat of doom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or to me, like inevitably Century is gonna have
Speaker 2: to Bob's gonna have to turn back in a century
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna have to bring in a couple
Speaker 2: of heroes just to combat Century because he's so powerful.
Speaker 1: I did like that line of you said that I'm
Speaker 1: stronger than all the Avengers and one of the Avengers
Speaker 1: is a god.
Speaker 2: Therefore just kind of like you got me there.
Speaker 1: I also like when he dyed his hair blonde and
Speaker 1: he was so focused on.
Speaker 2: It do you like it?
Speaker 1: I keep on by, get them bringing it up anything else?
Speaker 2: Uh No, this is a good movie. It's a good
Speaker 2: movie that I don't think is gonna go up or
Speaker 2: go down really in the wrong long run. It's self contained,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's fun enough, there's a lot of action,
Speaker 2: there's a good message. It's a good movie.
Speaker 1: Let's get into Maxack Max. That could be anything, That
Speaker 1: could be a boat and Mac in the movie. One
Speaker 1: of the jokes, one of the running gags of it
Speaker 1: is the name Thunderbolts. It is Yolena's youth soccer team
Speaker 1: from when she was six. They were the worst team
Speaker 1: in the league. They had zero wins. One kid took
Speaker 1: a crap at center field. I ask you, Mac, what
Speaker 1: is the worst youth team that you ever played for
Speaker 1: and your most embarrassing moment.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. You and I both played on
Speaker 2: a lot of bad teams over the years.
Speaker 1: We were in the wrong division. To be fair, though,
Speaker 1: we were on hockey teams that should have been in
Speaker 1: lesser division, lesser conferences because of the number of kids
Speaker 1: that tried out.
Speaker 2: The only real things that are standing out right here
Speaker 2: not necessarily worst teams, but worst moment or most embarrassing
Speaker 2: moment for me. I think I was six or seven
Speaker 2: playing little kickers. I was on a white team. I
Speaker 2: got a soccer ball off the face, lost the tooth,
Speaker 2: tooth gone, I'm out of the game. I'm crying, I
Speaker 2: got a bloody mouth. Hated everything about it. Last time,
Speaker 2: last year I played soccer. Most embarrassing moment is between
Speaker 2: two for me, Gilly, you will remember this well. Our
Speaker 2: sophomore year we played in the state tournament and I
Speaker 2: gave up a goal from outside the blue line, which
Speaker 2: you can relate.
Speaker 1: Very much to I'm about to get to it.
Speaker 2: When we were in Canada, when we were like ten
Speaker 2: or nine or ten in that age range, we played
Speaker 2: in the canam Tournament in a division we were not
Speaker 2: we should not have been in, and we lost every game,
Speaker 2: like eleven to one. That was pretty embarrassing too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh our. I don't know if this counts.
Speaker 1: Our freshman year of high school, we played was it
Speaker 1: Belmont Hill?
Speaker 2: We played our JV team played Belmont Hill's freshman team.
Speaker 1: It was our JV team that was about to be
Speaker 1: the varsity team the next year. So pretty much anyone
Speaker 1: that was not a senior played in this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the varsity team the next year that did
Speaker 2: well in the Middlesex League and made the state tournament
Speaker 2: and Belmont Hill's freshman team shit on our chest.
Speaker 1: We lost fifteen to one.
Speaker 2: I think I think it was eleven twelve to one
Speaker 2: to be fair. Though we had Jimmy the Spider O'Reilly
Speaker 2: for I'm.
Speaker 1: About to get to that. We also they stopped trying,
Speaker 1: like they stopped scoring midway through the game. But what
Speaker 1: also happened, so we had three goalies in the game.
Speaker 1: It was Mac, me and Jimmy the Spider O'Reilly. We
Speaker 1: rotated through all three of us to the point where
Speaker 1: they had to put me back in, Like all of
Speaker 1: us did so bad. They're like, all right, fuck it,
Speaker 1: put put goo back in.
Speaker 2: You know what it felt like. And you know, you
Speaker 2: and I years later have played in men's league as goalies.
Speaker 2: I felt like playing in men's league whe people just
Speaker 2: weren't playing defense and you're constantly facing three on ones,
Speaker 2: two on ones, and it was not fun.
Speaker 1: They also scored from everywhere. Like, yeah, we're not saying
Speaker 1: that we played well because we didn't, but also the
Speaker 1: team did not play well. Yeah, so worst team that
Speaker 1: I played on was played my freshman year. That varsity
Speaker 1: team did not do very well.
Speaker 2: That was a bad squad.
Speaker 1: I was able to play some goalie in that league.
Speaker 1: I would describe myself as inconsistent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that's accurate.
Speaker 1: I had flashes of looking pretty good. I was not
Speaker 1: consistently good though. That year. I believe it was stoneem
Speaker 1: They scored from the other end of the ice. Now,
Speaker 1: why did I become a goalie. It's because I wanted
Speaker 1: to play. I thought that was my best path to play.
Speaker 1: I liked being dependent upon and I liked the spotlight.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie about that. This was when they
Speaker 1: scored because there was a good amount of people in
Speaker 1: the crowd. We were at home and hearing the dead
Speaker 1: silence of what happened from there, and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: my goodness.
Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe they had cleared
Speaker 2: it out of their own end and it hit off
Speaker 2: the board about center ice and came in on you
Speaker 2: at like a little bit of an angle, and you
Speaker 2: just went to go play it with your stick.
Speaker 1: I just want to go stack as opposed to putting
Speaker 1: glove behind as opposed to putting knee behind you just
Speaker 1: have wwift on it. I just straight up whift on it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say that was the end
Speaker 1: of my high school hockey career, because I did. I
Speaker 1: was on the team the next three years, but after
Speaker 1: that I was never relied upon again. Now that it
Speaker 1: was not only me, you also emerged as a very
Speaker 1: good goalie our sophomore year. I hit yeah, but that
Speaker 1: also was the point where the coach has said, we
Speaker 1: don't think he's our future. We don't think that we
Speaker 1: can put him back out there and rely on him
Speaker 1: to play well. I think it was actually after that
Speaker 1: game where the coach pulled me and the senior goalie
Speaker 1: into the locker room and said, look, both of you
Speaker 1: are terrible, but someone has to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The incumbent, who you were the backup two freshman
Speaker 2: year I didn't even make the team, was also not
Speaker 2: very good. But you and I both knew I was
Speaker 2: getting better as a year ago on. We both knew
Speaker 2: we both felt like we were better than him. He
Speaker 2: was just a senior and we were freshmen. And then
Speaker 2: literally one and a half years later, what you went
Speaker 2: through with me, I went through with the goalie that
Speaker 2: was both that was way better than both of us,
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is an interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean I also went through that with him too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then Senior I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: neither Goo or I are going to play as backup.
Speaker 2: So I was like, let me, let me try to
Speaker 2: skate back out and.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. I admire you for just
Speaker 1: doing it. Because I offered it to the coach and
Speaker 1: he took that as an insult.
Speaker 2: I think he held it against me, and that's why
Speaker 2: I got buried on the depth chart as a four.
Speaker 2: But I was not bad. I was really good when
Speaker 2: we were younger and I didn't have the legs I
Speaker 2: used to have. But I should have been playing with better,
Speaker 2: better cast of characters than I was.
Speaker 1: This was good story time, This was good youth hockey story.
Speaker 2: This is this is two goalies. No cups here, That's
Speaker 2: that's the alternative version.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I had the biggest cup in the game.
Speaker 1: I had the biggest cup that anyone has ever used
Speaker 1: as a goalie. That was the thing that I spent
Speaker 1: the most amount of money on.
Speaker 2: I just love and it did carry over a little
Speaker 2: bit of games in practice especially you would purposefully hug
Speaker 2: the blocker side of the post to force people to
Speaker 2: shoot glove just so you could make spectacular glove saves.
Speaker 1: I used to tap my glove on the ice to
Speaker 1: make people try and go top glove hands. It was
Speaker 1: my best quality. Why would I try and go away
Speaker 1: from it? That's all we got. So man, where can
Speaker 1: the people find us?
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna toss this out there for everybody. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if we are going to get you a free
Speaker 1: T shirt, Well, maybe we're gonna talk to our former
Speaker 1: high coach.
Speaker 2: Did not make it to coach that little alumniight out alumni.
Speaker 1: I forgot that.
Speaker 2: He He was the assistant on those teams. Go and
Speaker 2: I were talking about and we all knew in the
Speaker 2: locker room he was the better coach, but he wasn't
Speaker 2: able to make the changes he could make because he
Speaker 2: was the assistant and Go and E's gullie coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was awesome.
Speaker 2: He's the best coach, still the best and the ultimately
Speaker 2: you know, I like to think you we have one
Speaker 2: percent to do with the state championship they win. What
Speaker 2: it was the culture that we eight years later, that
Speaker 2: was the culture that we he learned from coaching us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, tepublic dot com merch you can buy shirts,
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Speaker 1: of next week, next Goos Day, we'll do a Goose
Speaker 1: dump and then hopefully friendship soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of many movies coming out. We'll
Speaker 2: getting into the swing of things here. There's gonna be
Speaker 2: a lot of movies. It's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 2: movies over the next couple of months. And goot, not
Speaker 2: only did our coach win that state championship, our high
Speaker 2: school captain was an assistant coach on that team, So huh,
Speaker 2: we molded those minds.
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