Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2: Or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 1: Jesus Quice, you better hello, hit thebody out here, quin,
Speaker 1: I'm out there.
Speaker 3: I thought of a.
Speaker 1: Bench about tech forty nine. I don't know. Easy ann
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm welcome right, hey, hey, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4: I'm a little under the weather and jet lagged from
Speaker 4: my trip across the pond to England for the red
Speaker 4: carpet premiere of the documentary I was in that came
Speaker 4: out earlier this year called My Bigfoot Life.
Speaker 2: But boy, did I have a great.
Speaker 4: Time meeting all of you that came out to support
Speaker 4: the cast and crew as we celebrated this huge milestone.
Speaker 4: It was great catching up with old friends like Ryan Rpg, Gullumbeski,
Speaker 4: Ronnie LeBlanc, daniel Lee Barnett and his amazing family, and
Speaker 4: meeting so many new friends. I know you've heard me
Speaker 4: talk about my encounters while we were filming out in
Speaker 4: Washington State, But if you want to see it unfold
Speaker 4: in real time, click the link right here in the
Speaker 4: show notes, or head over to Amazon Prime Video now
Speaker 4: and search for My Bigfoot Life. It's also available for
Speaker 4: pre order on Apple TV. Okay, shameless plugover, Let's get
Speaker 4: to the real reason you all are here. Jerry and
Speaker 4: the crew from Sasquatch Recon are back, and this time around,
Speaker 4: Jerry's diving deeper into his experiences in and around the
Speaker 4: South Mountains area here in North Carolina. And I got
Speaker 4: to tell you, I've been looking forward to sharing this
Speaker 4: one with y'all. I actually got to spend some time
Speaker 4: out in the woods with these guys toward the end
Speaker 4: of last year, got to see Jerry's property firsthand, walked
Speaker 4: through a lot of the areas he's going to be
Speaker 4: talking about tonight, and I'll just say this, when you're
Speaker 4: standing out there in those woods hearing somebody describe what
Speaker 4: they've witnessed in the very spot you're standing, it hits different.
Speaker 2: It really does. Now.
Speaker 4: Beyond the encounters and the location stuff, the guys also
Speaker 4: get into a really interesting discussion about dog Man and
Speaker 4: whether or not sasquatch migrate. And look, it's clearly all speculation.
Speaker 4: Nobody's got the definitive answer on that. But honestly, that's
Speaker 4: one of the many reasons this subject fascinates me so much.
Speaker 4: We're still piecing it together, we're still asking the questions,
Speaker 4: and I think that's what keeps a lot of us
Speaker 4: coming back to this. But here's the thing that really
Speaker 4: caught my attention. Toward the end of their discussion, they
Speaker 4: talk about something that I have personally experienced and it
Speaker 4: might point to at least some type of migration or
Speaker 4: seasonal movement at the very least, and that's the vocalizations
Speaker 4: and activity spiking in the winter months. Almost all of
Speaker 4: the vocalizations and footprint evidence that we've experienced on our
Speaker 4: property has been late October through February. That's the window.
Speaker 4: And when Jerry and the guy started talking about that
Speaker 4: same kind of pattern. I'm sitting there nodding my head, going, yeah,
Speaker 4: we see the exact same thing. So I'd love to
Speaker 4: hear your thoughts on that, or really on any of
Speaker 4: the other things the guys are kicking around as they
Speaker 4: talk about it. Do you see the same thing in
Speaker 4: your research area, Do you have a theory on migration,
Speaker 4: or maybe you've just had an experience and you want
Speaker 4: to share it on the show. Shoot me in an
Speaker 4: email brianat Paranormalworldproductions dot com. I read every single one
Speaker 4: of them, and I love hearing from you guys. If
Speaker 4: you want to hear more from Jerry and the guys
Speaker 4: over at Sasquatch Recon click the link right here in
Speaker 4: the show notes and head over to their YouTube channel.
Speaker 4: And one last thing before we get into the episode.
Speaker 4: This audio was recorded in a public place, not my studio,
Speaker 4: so there is some background noise here and there. I've
Speaker 4: cleaned it up as best I could, and honestly, I
Speaker 4: think you'll hardly notice it. All Right, that's enough out
Speaker 4: of me. I need to go take a nap. Let's
Speaker 4: get into it.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll start with the progression of how I've
Speaker 2: got from where I was to where I'm at now.
Speaker 2: When I was seven, give or take, my granddaddy took
Speaker 2: me to see Legend and Boggie Creek nineteen seventies, and
Speaker 2: then when I was ten, nineteen seventy seven, at the
Speaker 2: Scholastic book fair at Mestner City Central Elementary School, I
Speaker 2: bought a Bigfoot, thee Bigfoot by b and Slaton Alanberry
Speaker 2: Thus was born a lifelong interest, but at the time,
Speaker 2: up until ten years ago or so, it was purely
Speaker 2: for entertainment. And we moved to the South Mountains area.
Speaker 2: Being a person that likes the woods, I immediately started
Speaker 2: taking advantage of my new surroundings, spending days and days
Speaker 2: in woods. Began to notice tree breaks. I knew enough
Speaker 2: about it to know what I was seeing. You know,
Speaker 2: you find one or two, that's one thing. But you know,
Speaker 2: by the time I hit a dozen in many different
Speaker 2: places there, I reached out the loud Blackburn on email,
Speaker 2: said tell me about this. He said, yeah, you're seeing
Speaker 2: tree breaks and most of them probably point toward water.
Speaker 2: And he was right. So the next thing that was
Speaker 2: the progression a big step was I heard my first
Speaker 2: wood knock. That was in summer twenty fifteen. I was
Speaker 2: still working then, so I had to get up early
Speaker 2: in the morning. At five thirty am. I had the
Speaker 2: windows and I would knock from one of the nearby
Speaker 2: hollers rang out. I wasn't sure what I was hearing,
Speaker 2: but I knew it was something hitting a tree, and
Speaker 2: it started to gain momentum. After that, we started hearing vocalizations,
Speaker 2: the whoops, these weird growls. We would hear these howls
Speaker 2: that started off real low and very creepy. So my
Speaker 2: interest was peaking. I said, there's something going on around
Speaker 2: the South Mountains. August to twenty seventeen, my wife and
Speaker 2: I was driving and we turned right onto a dead
Speaker 2: end road. There was cornfield on the left, and of
Speaker 2: course it was August, so the corn was up all
Speaker 2: the way and there standing beside the road, five feet
Speaker 2: outside the corn was a booger. And what struck me
Speaker 2: the most was how broad shouldered that thing was and
Speaker 2: just how big and bulky it was, standing of course
Speaker 2: taller than the corn. And it took me a minute
Speaker 2: to process it, and I got the car stopped. In
Speaker 2: my mind, I'm going to back the car up and
Speaker 2: then point the headlights and Nancy said, hurry, it's moving.
Speaker 2: She said, it's going into the corn. And I got
Speaker 2: the car backed up, got the headlights on it. But
Speaker 2: he had just went into the corn. But you could
Speaker 2: see it above the corn moving and you can see
Speaker 2: the corn moving along with it. Now, I didn't go
Speaker 2: through that corn like a bear wood, you know, like
Speaker 2: a bull in the china shop and just mow over
Speaker 2: the corn and leave a swath. It was moving between
Speaker 2: the stalks, and I would have to say fast but gracefully.
Speaker 2: The bug bit me right then, and I had to
Speaker 2: know things.
Speaker 5: Gets in your skin. Gotta know more.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to read about it. It's one thing
Speaker 2: to hear. The wooden arts vocalizations are find the evidence.
Speaker 2: And I hadn't found a footprint up at that point,
Speaker 2: but to see one and it was twenty feet from us,
Speaker 2: I was hooked. It still entertains me to do this,
Speaker 2: to read and still how far from your house back
Speaker 2: a couple of miles, not even two miles. So we're
Speaker 2: there in the middle, we're there in a squatchy place.
Speaker 2: And then December of twenty nineteen, it was one of
Speaker 2: my family members and he still has a career. So
Speaker 2: I won't identify specifically which family member, but he and
Speaker 2: my daughter come to stay some days during Christmas vacation,
Speaker 2: and we've seen one down the woods next to my
Speaker 2: pasture bleeding more. That one wasn't fascinating as the first one,
Speaker 2: but it was being that close, even closer than my house.
Speaker 2: I want, what are they doing? What are they? All
Speaker 2: these questions, you know, all the questions you have. And
Speaker 2: when I started spending more time in the woods, started
Speaker 2: spending a lot more time at night outside, go out,
Speaker 2: check on my pasture, animals, maybe get a chair to
Speaker 2: just sit and listen, take my dogs walking around. And
Speaker 2: over the years I've gotten to hear a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Our feed barrels being broke into. They have the locking
Speaker 2: bands on something with intelligence and a thumb has to
Speaker 2: open doors. It's like pranks that's been played on us
Speaker 2: by the boggers. Take stuff out of the barn, just
Speaker 2: put it out in the pasture. Drag our water barrels
Speaker 2: halfway down the hill. We had our stuff in our backyard.
Speaker 2: We had a picnic table and some other things. One
Speaker 2: morning on went down there and it was strolling all
Speaker 2: over the backyard and I was told, and I believe this.
Speaker 2: It was a juvenile or two entertaining themselves, just like
Speaker 2: a human teenager dude beating on our house. I took
Speaker 2: a trip out west. Second night I was back home.
Speaker 2: I guess one of them wanted to meeting. He's still there.
Speaker 2: It beat on the front of the house about twelve
Speaker 2: o'clock that Now, it's been a common thing with the
Speaker 2: beating on the house at odd hours. That's happened a lot.
Speaker 2: It's happened a whole lot. Y'all live in a place
Speaker 2: where people generally don't like men out at night anyway,
Speaker 2: But you don't go creeping around somebody's house, because if
Speaker 2: you're found doing that at night, you'll be found laying
Speaker 2: there the next I've not got a lot of people
Speaker 2: to open up to me that's in my inner circle
Speaker 2: as far as where I live, except for one couple.
Speaker 2: When I started talking to other folks concerted efforts to
Speaker 2: try to get information, especially from these old times, I
Speaker 2: had a few open up, and I made it known
Speaker 2: that just a small number of people I was interested
Speaker 2: in it. Went to work at the store in case
Speaker 2: that mental store, Mountain New Grocery, and I hadn't only
Speaker 2: been hired a couple of weeks and the owner called me.
Speaker 2: She said, Fox is coming to do a documentary. I
Speaker 2: told them about you. You'd be willing an interview. I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: let me think about it. Called the dude I guess
Speaker 2: he was in LA. Said yah, I'll do it, and
Speaker 2: she silhouetted me, and this guy's my voice. He said,
Speaker 2: no problem, So they came. They did it. It aired
Speaker 2: in January twenty one, if I remember not. They silhouetted me,
Speaker 2: but they did not disguise my voice. So I thought,
Speaker 2: I'm in for it. Ridiculed and that's why most people
Speaker 2: stay quiet about it. But really I had nobody that
Speaker 2: was ugly about it. One guy kind of gave me
Speaker 2: a hard time, but he gave me a hard time
Speaker 2: about everything. He was just that kind of dude. But
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, people started coming to tell me
Speaker 2: their stories. After a couple of years, you know, interview
Speaker 2: thirty people, which is my favorite thing. That's the thing
Speaker 2: I'm in love with hearing people's encounters. That's how I
Speaker 2: got into doing my little show. And the more story
Speaker 2: that we hear from other people that we feel like
Speaker 2: are credible, the more. It validates. I don't need anybody's approval,
Speaker 2: but I like hearing these stories because you know there's
Speaker 2: other people out there that originally felt the same way
Speaker 2: as I did. And you didn't want to tell nobody
Speaker 2: about it too for from people, But when you get
Speaker 2: to start talking about it, it does something for you,
Speaker 2: you know. Oh yeah, twenty nineteen. You and I had
Speaker 2: met in twenty twenty, so it would have been after
Speaker 2: that that men and Dwight hooked up for the first time.
Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly when, but you and I became
Speaker 2: friends on Facebook, and then I guess me and Dwight
Speaker 2: became friends by proxy because I wound up. I don't
Speaker 2: know why. I just picked the phone up one night
Speaker 2: and I sent the light a message said, man, we've
Speaker 2: got some really weird stuff goes on that and I
Speaker 2: won't talk to something about it, and y'all I would
Speaker 2: trust y'all, And and Dwight called me. We talked about
Speaker 2: an hour or so on the phone, and then he
Speaker 2: came up, spent some time one night, and then next
Speaker 2: time you came and meeting you guys. Getting in Dirty
Speaker 2: South Squatching now sasquat free com was the best thing
Speaker 2: that could have happened to you in this, you know,
Speaker 2: because I needed somebody teach me stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh, you're in a great spy you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I mean you lived there.
Speaker 3: When we do stuff we have to travel hour to
Speaker 3: have right there and then love it.
Speaker 5: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: And you know there's been people, even people that's close
Speaker 2: to me then said why do you get to have
Speaker 2: all his experiences? And I have to remind him. I'm
Speaker 2: outside every night even if it's raining, or I've got
Speaker 2: dogs to take out. I've got animals to check on
Speaker 2: before it every night of the year unless I'm on
Speaker 2: you know, a rare occasion of me being gone on
Speaker 2: the trip. I've had a couple of close people. I
Speaker 2: mean I'll basically cut ties with them because they said
Speaker 2: they didn't believe me. Let me energect this right.
Speaker 3: I would tell people that as I got into this
Speaker 3: step son, I would tell.
Speaker 5: Him about stopping showing a picture.
Speaker 3: One day, I said, hey, we've got some new stuff,
Speaker 3: and he had this really weird we'll come today and
Speaker 3: I said, I said, do you think I'm pull up
Speaker 3: it or you don't believe me? No, he said, I
Speaker 3: do believe and it scares the crap out of it.
Speaker 3: So if you don't mind, don't shove me that.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. So I think some of those.
Speaker 3: People that are uku and whatever I think deep down inside,
Speaker 3: they don't want to think that these things ra actually
Speaker 3: out there, and they are out there.
Speaker 2: No doubt. I'm not a believer. I'm a knower. You know.
Speaker 2: One guy in particular watches all the televised beat Foot
Speaker 2: shows and eats it up and asks for seconds, not
Speaker 2: casting dispersions on any one show, but you know, there's
Speaker 2: some stuff out there that descripted both.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I've reached out to him and I said, I know
Speaker 2: you're interested in this, and he said he didn't believe me, really,
Speaker 2: and he sets on the safety of his couch, watched
Speaker 2: this stuff on this TV and invited him to come,
Speaker 2: so we get down the creek. Bimal camp never took
Speaker 2: me up. So over time, I've given up some of
Speaker 2: those hard feelings I had, And what you just said
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense, and I could very well
Speaker 2: be the case.
Speaker 3: They don't want to admit it. He admitted that, but
Speaker 3: you know, I never even thought of it. Not everybody,
Speaker 3: but I think a lot that's scarcely crownphat it that
Speaker 3: these things ragually out there.
Speaker 2: They have scared me on more than one a cape.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more sasquatch see right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Absolutely encounters, you know, way down near the creek bottom
Speaker 2: checking old animals, or I had an animal missing. This
Speaker 2: has happened several times and I have to go looking
Speaker 2: for One night I was spotlighting looking for it was
Speaker 2: a blomber that had been sick, and they'll go off
Speaker 2: by themselves here. And I had a pair of red
Speaker 2: eyes in the woods. And then one night I was
Speaker 2: looking for one of my animals. I was way down there,
Speaker 2: all the way next to the fence, and I heard
Speaker 2: whistle that scared me. And twice I've been hollered at
Speaker 2: at a cat that I thought was my cat. One
Speaker 2: night was going downhill, so no, no, you can't go down.
Speaker 2: I was going after everything in these woods will eat you.
Speaker 2: I got all the way to the bottom and I
Speaker 2: got close enough I figured out the cat was mone
Speaker 2: I looked down and my cats had followed me. Oh man, man,
Speaker 2: it was about to laugh about me. And suddenly, maybe
Speaker 2: third yards probably a little less inside the woodline, I
Speaker 2: picked two of the cats up because I could only
Speaker 2: carry two and I had my spotlight. Dang, and I
Speaker 2: went back up that hill like I was twenty years
Speaker 2: older here and then is this speak that scared me?
Speaker 2: And then I wasn't even that far down. On the
Speaker 2: second time, I got yelled at over to on the
Speaker 2: eastern side from it had to be. It wasn't in
Speaker 2: the woods, it was out in this field that's next
Speaker 2: to me. Couldn't pinpoint where, but I got yelled. It
Speaker 2: was close enough that I felt it for that base
Speaker 2: sea vibrate. Its almost like you're standing next to a
Speaker 2: base speaker. And here's what I was told that they
Speaker 2: were probably at that late hour down there hunting deer.
Speaker 2: They didn't want her down there. I can buy that.
Speaker 2: I believe that I can absolutely. The closest I've ever
Speaker 2: came to getting hurt is the rock growing incidence. And
Speaker 2: my wife back in first week into August twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: little creek, walking way downward creek, middle of nowhere, after
Speaker 2: we had heard two wooden knocks broad daylight, a rock
Speaker 2: come in from our left, which would have been the west,
Speaker 2: and missed her head by no more than six inches,
Speaker 2: sail right overhead landed in the creek. The old piece
Speaker 2: of courts about that big There's been four rock throwing
Speaker 2: incidents right there in our general area. The first one
Speaker 2: two hunters, father and son team. They was in separate
Speaker 2: tree stems, and the sun heard what he described to
Speaker 2: be eight like noise. He heard walking. This was zero
Speaker 2: dark hunter like five o'clock in the morning. It's still dark.
Speaker 2: Then he hears walking in the leaf lit there and
Speaker 2: it went silent, and he heard, and he said he
Speaker 2: just instinctively knew it was the sound of something that
Speaker 2: had been thrown coming through the trees and a rock
Speaker 2: that was a little smaller in the volleyball, cause it
Speaker 2: was still there. When I went to the investmentry that
Speaker 2: had hit that big sweet gum, he was in it
Speaker 2: and knocked the mark of the sweet gam This was
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. He said, the only thing I could
Speaker 2: do was stay in that tree. After that, he curped,
Speaker 2: held his hunting and say that I blame the second
Speaker 2: rock thrown incident, my cousin and some of my family
Speaker 2: came up and camped out there a night hike. As
Speaker 2: we finished the night hike was heading down the western
Speaker 2: end of that ridge. That's on the property and a
Speaker 2: rock came in from my right, which would have been
Speaker 2: from the north. I was in the very back of
Speaker 2: the line. French child was in front of him and
Speaker 2: it barely missed his head. There was a rock thrown
Speaker 2: instant where my friend's ran new jeep broad Daylight down
Speaker 2: near the Broad River. Bam rock hit the top of
Speaker 2: it with sufficient force the scar of the roof. Then
Speaker 2: there was the rock thrown incident in the line. But
Speaker 2: out of everybody I've talked to that area, I have
Speaker 2: no stories where a person was hurt. None dogs. We
Speaker 2: have a lot of dogs that are missing. A dog
Speaker 2: that hung around our place was attacked by something and
Speaker 2: he wound up dying of internal injuries, but he had
Speaker 2: been slammed against a tree. Another dog, the big old dog,
Speaker 2: about one hundred pounds, dog, was found. He went missing.
Speaker 2: Neighbor wasn't looking found him in the creek bottom alive
Speaker 2: in the creek with his back brook. Prior to us
Speaker 2: living in the area, there had been an incident where
Speaker 2: somebody's dog then just absolutely beat the death. Many other
Speaker 2: stories in and around cases of dogs being killed, cats, goats,
Speaker 2: and pigs. That seems to be the list either they
Speaker 2: go just missing pig disappears out of a peak, never
Speaker 2: find it. The pig didn't dig out, something lifted it
Speaker 2: out of there. What can lift the pig?
Speaker 3: And if there was some other natural predator there wouldn't
Speaker 3: have been in a hack right there.
Speaker 2: Right on the spot. You know, there was the famous
Speaker 2: time period in that area from seventy eight and seventy
Speaker 2: nine where it was a frenzy of sightings and one
Speaker 2: of the things was mister Forrest Price found one of
Speaker 2: his goats with its neck bird. That makes sense to
Speaker 2: me because of the deer kills that we found relatively
Speaker 2: small area. You know, you find over a period of
Speaker 2: a year, you find a dozen twelve thirteen fourteen deer kills,
Speaker 2: various stages of decay, from bleached bones all the way
Speaker 2: afresh ribs, broken legs, broken legs yanked off. There was
Speaker 2: the one where the deer's front legs were yanked off
Speaker 2: together and we're still attacked laying there on the ground,
Speaker 2: but several had their necks broken. If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I think they use certain areas. You've got the watchers
Speaker 2: and the chasers. Watchers will hide in all holler. The
Speaker 2: chasers will funnel them. They don't have weapons, so they
Speaker 2: just have to grab them, attack them, man handle them.
Speaker 2: In the quickest way in state them is break a leg,
Speaker 2: break the neck, and more than ample evidence of that happened.
Speaker 2: Nothing else in those woods can grab a deer and
Speaker 2: crush its ribs and break its leg or break its neck.
Speaker 2: You find one deer with a broken neck, there might
Speaker 2: be an explanation, but multiple that is even further convinced me.
Speaker 2: And I don't think they're at least in our area
Speaker 2: in the South Mountains, I don't think they're dangerous to
Speaker 2: first couple of years in that area, I would pack
Speaker 2: my bag, put a hammock in my back, might go
Speaker 2: on a seven eight hour hike, stop somewhere, string them up,
Speaker 2: taken out. I would camp out by myself. If they
Speaker 2: wanted to hurt me, they had plenty of chances. But
Speaker 2: I got spoofed. Back about twenty eighteen, I hit a
Speaker 2: period of being spoofed. Tho it ain't the best idea
Speaker 2: in the world for me to be out there at
Speaker 2: night by myself, and I still have that feeling, but
Speaker 2: it's not so much spruit as much as it is
Speaker 2: the unknown, because we don't know. We don't know what
Speaker 2: else is out there. I don't know that the squatches
Speaker 2: that are killing these dogs like this. It's the fact
Speaker 2: that I don't know. I don't want to line up
Speaker 2: on the missing four one one. During the day, I'll
Speaker 2: hike by myself. There certain areas I won't go into
Speaker 2: my myself. The area with all the deer kills, there's
Speaker 2: two areas. I won't go there by myself day or night.
Speaker 2: Things just a matter of common See No Dwight helped
Speaker 2: me out greatly on something. I was doing my research
Speaker 2: on that time period in nineteen seventy eight nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: and he found a documentary that a man came did
Speaker 2: in early nineteen eighty. His name was John N. Alexander.
Speaker 2: Dwight sent it to I needed to interview a couple
Speaker 2: of people, but I couldn't because they were dead. Within
Speaker 2: this documentary, I learned so much. Witnesses led my research
Speaker 2: to something other than bigfoot. I'm convinced they had three
Speaker 2: things going on there in that time period. They had
Speaker 2: a rogue squatch that was out didn't mind showing itself
Speaker 2: at the time. There was a big male panther, but
Speaker 2: I believe there was something else because in that documentary
Speaker 2: they talked about finding huge canine like tracks and they
Speaker 2: had a cast on one of them. They showed it
Speaker 2: on a documentary that dead and it puzzled some of
Speaker 2: the old timers that mint in these was the whole life.
Speaker 2: So I'm like huge, I'm at the point where I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm completely comfortable saying that I believe
Speaker 2: in dogmen, but I don't believe in dogmen.
Speaker 5: I've talked to people who I think are proud to
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 2: They've seen them same here. I'm about out of my
Speaker 2: shell on dogmen. Maybe this will completely get me out
Speaker 2: of it. I've talked to enough credible people too. You
Speaker 2: guys things y'all experience in the other people that I met,
Speaker 2: the dudes in NCI and some with the other mountain people.
Speaker 2: There's something out there besides the Bigfoot. There was one incident,
Speaker 2: and at the time I wasn't educated enough to think
Speaker 2: it was something other than a squad. Was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: I was out late one night down the hill in
Speaker 2: my creek body. In fact, it was the spot where
Speaker 2: y'all came and set up that one night in that
Speaker 2: general area. I hear this howl, unlike anything I had
Speaker 2: heard up at that point. I know my animals in
Speaker 2: western North Carolina. I know what hows codes. It definitely
Speaker 2: wasn't a wolf house. I've heard plenty of wolf house.
Speaker 2: It was not any known animal. And it started out
Speaker 2: this low howl and it crescendoed, and there was so
Speaker 2: much power behind that, and it was so close I was, actually,
Speaker 2: I mean I was a comfortable distance away, probably three
Speaker 2: hundred yards. That scared me. Matter of fact, it inspired
Speaker 2: me to write that scary poem that I did called
Speaker 2: The Haunted. Well. That impacted me greatly. It almost made
Speaker 2: me emotional. There was something about that incident. There's been
Speaker 2: other times I've been in the woods and you guys
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. Who just suddenly you feel scared. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got this weird feeling, or something happens, you feel emotional,
Speaker 2: You just all of a sudden feel emotional. That night,
Speaker 2: I went inside and I was telling Nancy what I
Speaker 2: just heard, just about crying. I didn't know what was
Speaker 2: wrong then. Am I having some kind of breakdown? But
Speaker 2: I've heard that twice now, most recently back in April,
Speaker 2: my son and his crew came and got an airbnb
Speaker 2: over in the country. My daughter and her friend and
Speaker 2: I were outlaid just listening and we heard it and
Speaker 2: it was coming. That place is right at the foot
Speaker 2: of the South Mountains, and we heard that howl. Immediately
Speaker 2: after we heard that hol behind us somewhere something answered.
Speaker 2: So I've heard it a total of two times, but
Speaker 2: that night we heard it twice back moon in the
Speaker 2: mountains and then behind us, which will be in south
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 3: And you wonder if that's not something downside for ancestral
Speaker 3: DNA or something.
Speaker 2: In the triggering the flight or fight well flight, because
Speaker 2: I ain't fiction to try to fight nothing. This is
Speaker 2: eight nine freet tall. Mama raised ugly kids, but not
Speaker 2: dumb ones. I don't know if you'll remember this or not.
Speaker 2: The first night that you came out, you and DW.
Speaker 2: White came and I was telling you that I'd had
Speaker 2: those experiences where I had that uneasy feeling and I
Speaker 2: was scared, and you told me then to wipe back
Speaker 2: you up. Said, if you're buy yourself and you have
Speaker 2: that feeling, get out leave. And that's the rule I've
Speaker 2: gone by because what's going on deep in the middle
Speaker 2: of our brain with here's your sign, like they say,
Speaker 2: read the roue. You know, there's a lot of crazy
Speaker 2: things just happened in that one spot. The family my
Speaker 2: friends went in camp there the night. They heard the
Speaker 2: gibberish language and they stayed. The gibberish quit, but then
Speaker 2: they were surrounded on three sides in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night. They packed up everything, the kids. They could
Speaker 2: have camped for a week, that's how much stuff they had.
Speaker 2: And I went down there and check on that. When
Speaker 2: they were gone, check you said, call me. They told
Speaker 2: me the story, and so said I couldn't stay.
Speaker 5: And I think, kids, well your thought is I can't
Speaker 5: expose my kids to this, but I think the rogers
Speaker 5: liked to see you.
Speaker 2: I can't. I think that's what drew them in that
Speaker 2: day because they got there early, went down there. There's
Speaker 2: playing and you could hear the sound of children. It
Speaker 2: was two younger children in the green and they were
Speaker 2: laughing and play in like kids. And I believe that
Speaker 2: broad rent too, and they were curious. As you know
Speaker 2: that spot. I personally camp there with greed and one
Speaker 2: occasion we were surrounded like that, and I don't know
Speaker 2: what their intentions are or were probably just curious, just
Speaker 2: like we. We were keeping an eye on us because
Speaker 2: we're in their home. But I remember laying there that
Speaker 2: night and thinking, there are really unknown creatures living in
Speaker 2: these woods, and they're twenty thirty yards from me, and
Speaker 2: there's more than one over don't matter how many people's
Speaker 2: down here sleeping in these tents. If they wanted to
Speaker 2: get us, we'd be got. They are masters of their environment.
Speaker 2: They have this tremendous physical size and speed. There are
Speaker 2: nothing to stop. There's more than one, and they're usually
Speaker 2: is if you have means of self defense, and you
Speaker 2: should want it. Ain't gonna stop the other ones. But
Speaker 2: I don't think they won't hurt us.
Speaker 6: I've always stopped that you might see one, but I
Speaker 6: think there's a least of what we'd see, especially an
Speaker 6: you worry.
Speaker 5: And maybe I'm crazy, but this is from a own observations.
Speaker 3: They're traveled, their groups are pretty and I've heard other
Speaker 3: people say.
Speaker 2: That I think they're probably as smart as we are.
Speaker 2: It's not smarter, and even possess an extra sense that
Speaker 2: we don't have a sixth sense. If we're gonna call
Speaker 2: it there, highly intelligent They've got their reasons making you know,
Speaker 2: these tree structures, these xes in the woods, and the
Speaker 2: different things that we find. They've got reasons for all
Speaker 2: of it. And I want to know. I want to know.
Speaker 5: Why that's the whole crowding thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, is that somebody got some splaining to do.
Speaker 2: I've seen the whole gambit there. I've seen stuff that
Speaker 2: we're just fairly benign all the way up, things that
Speaker 2: horrified on a regular basis. Footprints, way any footprints. I'm
Speaker 2: beyond convinced, way beyond convinced. There's no question in my hand. Now,
Speaker 2: I just want answers.
Speaker 5: You have several different and looks to try one.
Speaker 2: Animals.
Speaker 7: Do you think of the ones you got are most
Speaker 7: sensitive to sus what being around? Is there anyone that's
Speaker 7: more sensitive one of the what's your observation as far
Speaker 7: as how they react?
Speaker 2: Dogs? My dogs highly sensitive. They either go there, it's
Speaker 2: from one extreme to the other. Either they got their
Speaker 2: hair up and they're growling and snarling, or they've tucked
Speaker 2: tail and wanting back in the house. Usually they tucktail
Speaker 2: when we smell the smell the outpacas. They're natural guard animals,
Speaker 2: you know, we've got the outpackas and we've got two goats.
Speaker 2: Often I'll find, you know, go out to check on
Speaker 2: them and find that the outpackas have took up set
Speaker 2: up basically a defensive parameter of the goats next to
Speaker 2: the fence behind them, and they're all alert. Their ears
Speaker 2: are up and they make this noise and the alert
Speaker 2: and the alarm the cat. When I had cats outside,
Speaker 2: the slightest vocalization ever running hide, I brought my as.
Speaker 2: They stay in now because two of them disappears. You know,
Speaker 2: we've had dogs heard and chilled. The dogs are the
Speaker 2: ones that alert me. Pay attention to your dogs.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 4: right back after these messages.
Speaker 7: The ducks and the turkeys, do they have any particular
Speaker 7: reaction or they just carry on businesses.
Speaker 2: Now, if something's going on and there's any kind of
Speaker 2: hubbub going on at nine, those two male turkeys will
Speaker 2: crank up and start with their stuff. And sometimes a restaurant.
Speaker 2: My reoster died. I don't have a resting one, but
Speaker 2: the roosters. If it's because things are going on out
Speaker 2: of the ordinary that we was having noises and I
Speaker 2: was out there messing around doing whatever at such a
Speaker 2: late hour.
Speaker 7: I noticed when we were on the rich walk and
Speaker 7: I could hear you turkeys some time to time. You
Speaker 7: think that that may ever call them in when they.
Speaker 5: Are out for woods of them out via.
Speaker 7: And they hear turkey gobble, You think that ever would
Speaker 7: bring in closer?
Speaker 2: Do you have falk of Well? I harkened back to
Speaker 2: the conversation you and I have, and my question was,
Speaker 2: this is in the first couple of years was basically
Speaker 2: I found three breaks, and then twenty fifteen is when
Speaker 2: I started hearing three knocks vocalizations. And that was about
Speaker 2: the time that we moved Lockstock and maryl and brought
Speaker 2: animals with us. And you said, these new animals in
Speaker 2: the area has drawn their interest. They're curious about, especially
Speaker 2: our packs. In novels, you.
Speaker 6: Also rotate a lot of animals that you get in
Speaker 6: that you and your wife require taking care of other animals.
Speaker 6: So every time y'all get a new animal, have you
Speaker 6: ever given any though to a new voice in the
Speaker 6: pasture from an animal and then suddenly spot to your
Speaker 6: moreizations or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Now, nothing seems to make it ab or.
Speaker 6: Flow so you would be comfortable saying that regardless of
Speaker 6: the rotation of style, there's just constant animal presence, so.
Speaker 2: Always, just always, there's just time regards constantly. From twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen until now, we've had.
Speaker 5: It ten year stint, so that's a long tracker.
Speaker 2: And it started, it peaked twenty seventeen, and since then
Speaker 2: it's stayed roughly at the same level. Right, Honestly, the
Speaker 2: one thing that I'm super afraid of is it stopping.
Speaker 2: Is them stopping?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Leave the area that would devastated. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty seventeen was a heavy area. Me and Bob
Speaker 5: that here.
Speaker 7: Twenty seventeen there was a lot of activity in the
Speaker 7: South Well Are for whatever reason. When I had twenty seventeen,
Speaker 7: that's when your neighbors, some of your neighbors had some issues.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. The night that the people on I I
Speaker 2: never talked to them neighbors about that. There was the
Speaker 2: incident across the holler from me where the people come
Speaker 2: out late at night because our other neighbor alerted us
Speaker 2: that they were hearing the woop whoops that's what she
Speaker 2: calls them, and I went outside to say it, I
Speaker 2: heard it direction and I kind of, you know, just
Speaker 2: honed in on that direction and I hear a big
Speaker 2: diesel fire upon And it was when it was December,
Speaker 2: so that you know, the foliage was the lit leaves
Speaker 2: were gone, and I can see the headlights from the distance.
Speaker 2: But instead of backing up to leave, they pulled toward
Speaker 2: the woods and I hear shotgunsay them and they peeled
Speaker 2: out of there, and I didn't see them again for
Speaker 2: a year. Something happened one of my neighbors was cutting
Speaker 2: their grass for they were gone, and I don't know
Speaker 2: them and never had a chance to even try to
Speaker 2: reach the subject with them, you know, for them to
Speaker 2: get to know me. I would love to know the
Speaker 2: answer to what happened that night.
Speaker 5: I think you'll find that one day totally interesting.
Speaker 2: I do have a question close to your area.
Speaker 5: There's the mystery preacher called Nobby.
Speaker 6: Okay, have you ever thought about any association but creatures
Speaker 6: that are closer to your barbers versus Knobby or you
Speaker 6: think they're related a Saint clan or Baby.
Speaker 2: Paul together. Well, I think the word Nobby. You know,
Speaker 2: most people don't know. They think, well, there's one of
Speaker 2: these creatures, but Nobby has become the generic term for
Speaker 2: big flood. Right, it got tagged to the name Nobby.
Speaker 2: You know it's seventy nine. A reporter, I want to say,
Speaker 2: Charlotte Observer, who did a lot of work covering this stuff,
Speaker 2: gave it the nickname Nobby after Carpenter's knob, and it's stuck.
Speaker 2: There was previous names for it. The old timers called
Speaker 2: fossey mote. I still have no idea where that term
Speaker 2: came from, but the old timers used this, and of
Speaker 2: course boogers and wampless anything unknown in the woods as
Speaker 2: a wamples, a wampus cabin, any thing where it could
Speaker 2: be a nine ft bigfoot or a black panther, but
Speaker 2: if it's unknown, it's a lumpus or a booger. But
Speaker 2: the name not be stuck there in the late seventies.
Speaker 2: I think that there are some of them that migrate
Speaker 2: when it's hot for whatever reason. I believe some of
Speaker 2: them follow Ward Street goes back on up into the
Speaker 2: South Mountains, which, as the crow flies, the border of
Speaker 2: the South Mountains and five and a half miles from
Speaker 2: me gets hot. Some of them go up in elevation,
Speaker 2: and some of them don't. Some stay because although it
Speaker 2: dies now during the summer as far as the frequency
Speaker 2: of stuff happening, and some of them leap and then
Speaker 2: when it gets cold, cold weather, that's when it peaks.
Speaker 6: So in your area, you would say in winter time
Speaker 6: nuts are aghost act. Yeah, okay, we've seen that change
Speaker 6: at different spots that we researched. That some of the
Speaker 6: more prevalent in the spring and fall, some are even.
Speaker 5: In summer time.
Speaker 6: So it's good to know that your area, you think
Speaker 6: it is winter months that definitely bring them out, bake
Speaker 6: them become more.
Speaker 2: I had an old timer tell me it was a
Speaker 2: matter of fact. The first old timer that really opened
Speaker 2: up to me. He said that Wards Creek, So if
Speaker 2: you want to see one, you're gonna want to go
Speaker 2: down along Wards Creek between here and Wards Gap. Oh,
Speaker 2: they go back and forth. And this fellow lived not
Speaker 2: too far from Wards Creek on north of kaser I
Speaker 2: think that when it's hot, I think the older ones
Speaker 2: go back to the higher elevation because as we get older,
Speaker 2: we don't handle heat as well. I think the younger
Speaker 2: ones stay night. Why they stay back and stay there.
Speaker 2: It's a rich honey ground for deer, coon possum. You know,
Speaker 2: we have a large amount of deer in that area.
Speaker 6: It sounds like the four of us have a destiny
Speaker 6: with words Creek yep in our immediate future.
Speaker 2: The first foot prints ever found was on Wards Creek.
Speaker 2: The most footprints that I found on the Wold Street. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At the time I believed the old timer when he
Speaker 2: told me that, I didn't doubt him a bit. But
Speaker 2: hearing somebody say and then finding evidence that it's true, Yeah,
Speaker 2: many a slip TwixT a cup and a lip. I
Speaker 2: did a podcast with pair of Reality Radio last Sunday,
Speaker 2: and the conversation flowed in such a manner that it
Speaker 2: brought me to a conclusion. And it was kind of
Speaker 2: one of these things that like the Bolt out of
Speaker 2: the Blue an epiphantal. He said, watch the best evidence
Speaker 2: that you've personally. I thought about it in a minute,
Speaker 2: and I said, it's the totality of the body of everything.
Speaker 2: In this business. You find puzzle pieces. Next thing you know,
Speaker 2: you have one puzzle piece, but then you've got a
Speaker 2: table full of puzzle pieces, and they all supplement one
Speaker 2: another and corroborate one another. Eyewitness testimonies, footprints, videos, personal experiences,
Speaker 2: you know it's the whole body. This last video that
Speaker 2: I got is compelling. I still remaining skeptical on old
Speaker 2: y'allish study. The only reason I hadn't sent it is
Speaker 2: because I've been in a whirlwind. But you guys take
Speaker 2: a look at it, and it's probably the best evidence.
Speaker 2: And I've gotten so far. I think it's the old Saskatch.
Speaker 2: But that night I want to check on my animals.
Speaker 2: I'll have to look on the video to see what
Speaker 2: the date was. But they were all gathered against the
Speaker 2: eastern side of the fence. If you're standing up and
Speaker 2: barn on the left, to your left is the east
Speaker 2: all the way up against the fence. The two goats
Speaker 2: were touching the fence and at the time I had
Speaker 2: four our packs. One a cents died and they were
Speaker 2: in that guard formation ears up and I smelled a
Speaker 2: little bit of the smell. But something that was one
Speaker 2: of them times when something was making the hair on
Speaker 2: my next sting, that one always happening, and I thought, well,
Speaker 2: the only thing I can do is I got my
Speaker 2: spot got my spotlight and my phone started spotlight and
Speaker 2: over to the right over there in that riding ring,
Speaker 2: that's just to the west of my fence, within my
Speaker 2: neighbor's passion. I caught movement for a week second and
Speaker 2: I turned my phone on and I actually used it
Speaker 2: like you would use a set of binocilars. Actually it
Speaker 2: was my spotlight was in my left hand, my phone
Speaker 2: was in the right hand, and I was getting excited.
Speaker 2: I caught movement again. I cutn't zero in on it,
Speaker 2: and I cut the video off, and I was going
Speaker 2: to start just pressing down the shutter button and start
Speaker 2: snapping pictures. And I shut the video off, and I
Speaker 2: pulled up the video and was just going to look
Speaker 2: for a minute, and I thought I wanted to delete it.
Speaker 2: That's a bunch of memory I did. And the pictures
Speaker 2: that I took nothing, I didn't get anything. But when
Speaker 2: I went back the last fifteen seconds or so down
Speaker 2: south of that riding ring on the lower ground, you'll
Speaker 2: see it. It was something extremely tall those fence post
Speaker 2: with that riding ring of six and a half foot
Speaker 2: maybe clearly taller than those fence posts. And it was
Speaker 2: on a lower elevation, probably a two foot differential. But
Speaker 2: it's still yet showing. And you know, some play comes
Speaker 2: in on the angle and everything. I was up on
Speaker 2: higher ground, but still it was clearly taller than those
Speaker 2: fence post white. I wasn't using my phone, it was
Speaker 2: just my phone camera and no night vision. Note but
Speaker 2: it's either white or gray, and you all look at
Speaker 2: it and you tell me what you think I was looking.
Speaker 2: I was actually focusing on the inside of the writing ring.
Speaker 2: You know, there's we're not supposed to have, but you know,
Speaker 2: we got that deer. There was something going in there.
Speaker 2: You a deer, one with three legs, and that's where
Speaker 2: I was focusing with the spotlight. And I had one
Speaker 2: of those experiences where it was I was just almost freaking.
Speaker 2: It was in a normally freak out or panic or anything,
Speaker 2: but I was just I don't know, it was strange.
Speaker 2: And then when I looked at the video and very
Speaker 2: I even said, I thought I seen something that whatever
Speaker 2: it is, I can't and it was there. It was
Speaker 2: there its own video. So you guys break that down.
Speaker 1: J Man.
Speaker 5: We appreciate you sitting down and sharing with those.
Speaker 2: We appreciate it. Thank y'all arelike family. I appreciate y'all
Speaker 2: more than you know.