Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys, and welcome to episode fifteen of
Speaker 1: A Strange Thing podcast. I'm Mike fifteen, I'm Austin and
Speaker 1: together we are the host. What's the most What's it's
Speaker 1: been a while, Yes, it has been a while since
Speaker 1: we've had a recording time.
Speaker 2: It's been weird, strange things going on with COVID, just
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff, but earthquakes, armaged cats and dogs
Speaker 2: living together, master hysteria. Yeah, it's been weird. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think everybody in the world right now is experiencing
Speaker 2: some weird things. Oh yeah, but we're together tonight. We
Speaker 2: get to hang out, We get a record some stuff
Speaker 2: and talk about our new topic, which is which is
Speaker 2: what pretty rock and roll?
Speaker 1: If you ask me, strange rocks. Strange rocks. That's right,
Speaker 1: it's cooler than it sounds. I think it is cool.
Speaker 2: And we got to go out in the Investigation Night
Speaker 2: TV Investigation Destination vehicle and we went out and we
Speaker 2: explored a strange rock, well several strange.
Speaker 1: Rocks, went on a little hike kind of walk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, saw a rattlesnake. If you go online, we have
Speaker 2: a video of the rattlesnake.
Speaker 1: And Dad did a pretty epic rattlesnake kick jump. Yeah, yeah, dance.
Speaker 2: I can still jump pretty high.
Speaker 1: Yeah you can. I bet your ankle's heard after that. No,
Speaker 1: but I think adrenaline a.
Speaker 2: Little groin pole. But other than that, I was fine.
Speaker 1: That those darn keys that sound like rattlesnakes in their pocket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we saw a rattlesnake and then I was
Speaker 2: kind of hyper paranoid, on extra high alert because I
Speaker 2: got stepped on the rattlesnake and I'm walking and I
Speaker 2: had some keys that were jingling in my pocket, but
Speaker 2: they were half muted, so they sounded somewhat like a rattle,
Speaker 2: and so I it just sounded like it was coming
Speaker 2: right down below me because it was. It was in
Speaker 2: my pants pockets.
Speaker 1: So I did super kick flying jump leap.
Speaker 2: It's amazing how how you can jump when your adrenaline
Speaker 2: kicks in.
Speaker 1: It's like those lemurs that kind of jump sideways and
Speaker 1: they like kicked their leg out and like scoot. I
Speaker 1: had to get the leg.
Speaker 2: Out of there biting me. Yeah, yeah, get away your.
Speaker 1: Awkward, very move gonnage a snake.
Speaker 2: Well, regardless of what you say, in my mind, it
Speaker 2: looked really cool.
Speaker 1: Look cool.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, we went out to a local place here.
Speaker 2: It was about what fifty miles away, forty five miles away,
Speaker 2: a place called map Rock, And it was a good
Speaker 2: place to start because it is something very unique and
Speaker 2: who would have thought that it is right here close
Speaker 2: by in western Idoh, it's very very off Snake River Plains,
Speaker 2: which just happens to be one of the most prolific
Speaker 2: areas of petroglyphs in the entire west, only eclipse probably
Speaker 2: by southwest, like in Utah and Arizona in New Mexico.
Speaker 1: All right, but anyway, Yeah, so we.
Speaker 2: Started out on this journey and we have a destination
Speaker 2: in mind, but we are going to take that journey
Speaker 2: one step at a time. So the first stop on
Speaker 2: our journey is petroglyphs, and there happened to be one
Speaker 2: right here close by.
Speaker 1: We gotten the rattle can. Yes, it's more like a
Speaker 1: rattle tub.
Speaker 2: It's a box van.
Speaker 1: It's like an Ammo can that can drive around and
Speaker 1: it's loud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and right now it's pretty much empty. I have
Speaker 2: a little bit of equipment in there, but not much.
Speaker 1: So we rattled our way down there, got down.
Speaker 2: To the river. Yep, did good?
Speaker 1: Did good?
Speaker 2: You found it right away?
Speaker 1: Right, pulled up. There's some dew and his kid fishing
Speaker 1: right on the river.
Speaker 2: Which was maybe thirty yards away from.
Speaker 1: The rock, the map rock, and we climbed on it.
Speaker 2: We climbed on it. We took pictures of it, which
Speaker 2: is on our website if you'd like to check it out.
Speaker 2: So maybe we should back up a little bit and
Speaker 2: start with the base question. Okay, what are petroglyphs? They
Speaker 2: are rocks, but you can kind of break them down, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: the word.
Speaker 1: Petra, glyph, petra the band.
Speaker 2: Well, I you know from my biblical upbringing a petra
Speaker 2: petros Peter rock, Peter is rock. So I mean I'm
Speaker 2: guessing that right. Glyph. I don't know if glyph means
Speaker 2: Maybe glyph means marking or engraving or etching, glyph petra,
Speaker 2: so it would be a rock etching. I know, you
Speaker 2: know what, let's do gly graphic. Now, see that's a pictograph.
Speaker 2: That's different. That's a that would be a pictograph, would
Speaker 2: be a painting. Like using the media.
Speaker 1: I went, I tried to make a leap.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was good, but wrong. No, I mean they're
Speaker 2: connected because they were mediums that ancient Indian tribes used
Speaker 2: to use. I say ancient, not even that ancient.
Speaker 1: Native American native person, right, native person. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the correct terminology is. And I feel like we're
Speaker 1: in a climate.
Speaker 2: We gotta be careful socially.
Speaker 1: That really makes everybody's.
Speaker 2: Got a lot you know, they're kind of on edge
Speaker 2: about this. So if we're if we're making mistakes culturally,
Speaker 2: if we're not being politically correct, we're not doing it intentionally.
Speaker 2: It's our own ignorance, but please forgive us in advance, yep.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so, yeah, there's pictographs and petroglyphs. Pictographs would
Speaker 2: be paintings like maybe American Indians or Native Americans did
Speaker 2: on like maybe leather, you know, like Buffalo, okay. Or
Speaker 2: they could paint them on cave walls. And there's some
Speaker 2: really good examples of that, like in France and Lascow
Speaker 2: some of the most ancient cave paintings in the world
Speaker 2: are there. They found a new one. Gosh, where was
Speaker 2: that at It's in Australia And what's really weird about that?
Speaker 2: And we're going to get into this later on. So
Speaker 2: it's a preview. But they were like erotic paintings featuring
Speaker 2: giant creatures from outer space having sex with women. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a story there rocket that if you want to
Speaker 2: look up, you know, I think it's in Genesis chapter six.
Speaker 2: Maybe that that's one to talking about.
Speaker 1: But I'm never hold in the land of Australia for
Speaker 1: the alligators, I mean.
Speaker 2: Crocodiles, so that the women were beautiful.
Speaker 1: Asian buffalo roam the land.
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, we're really going way way off. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so let's test my theory. I got a Google here
Speaker 2: and I'm going to ask Google, Hey, what nice I'll
Speaker 2: tell this.
Speaker 3: According to Wikipedia, a petroglyph is an image created by
Speaker 3: removing part of a rock surface by sizing, picking, carving,
Speaker 3: or a braiding as a form of rock art. Outside
Speaker 3: North America, scholars often use terms such as carving or
Speaker 3: other descriptions of the technique to refer to such images.
Speaker 1: That is so creepy.
Speaker 2: How did she know? I don't know that she was
Speaker 2: listening to talking about.
Speaker 1: You said sex with giants? She was listening. They know
Speaker 1: that we know that was really it was kind of creepy.
Speaker 1: I gather petroglyph would be removing. Glyph means you remove
Speaker 1: the material, and graph means you add material.
Speaker 2: Let's ask her one more time. How did I ask
Speaker 2: that question?
Speaker 1: What question?
Speaker 2: I want to know? How did the word petroglyph originate?
Speaker 1: Did you ask her what the origination is?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 1: What are the root words that make the word petro glyph?
Speaker 3: The word comes from the Greek petro, from petro meaning
Speaker 3: stone and carve, and was originally coined in French as.
Speaker 2: Oh so yeah, I was right? So yeah, petra like
Speaker 2: little little Petra, little stone, Peter and big stone. Yeah no,
Speaker 2: I just remember that from my Bible days. From now on,
Speaker 2: you will be called Peter. Right, and upon this rock
Speaker 2: I would build my church. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. See
Speaker 2: I got a rain.
Speaker 5: Like a like a sieve because it just a lot
Speaker 5: goes in and a lot goes out and some things stick,
Speaker 5: but not very much.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the rock sink didn't get out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we got petroglyph, which they're everywhere, I mean,
Speaker 2: everybody's probably heard about him or seen him, but the
Speaker 2: one here in Idaho. And that's what we're going to
Speaker 2: basically launch this whole investigation on because it's so close
Speaker 2: and it'll take us to where we need to go
Speaker 2: for our next topic. So petroglyphs in southern Idaho are numerous.
Speaker 2: There are thousands of them. They are up and down
Speaker 2: the entire Snake River plane and they were like ancient
Speaker 2: highways for the indigenous people that were here, and they
Speaker 2: would leave messages and stuff on these rocks. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if anybody really has a really good idea
Speaker 2: of what these markings were for. There's a lot of theories.
Speaker 2: Got any ideas, any guesses and what the reasons were.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, like because I grew up around the
Speaker 1: Snake River, my whole wife canoeing and swimming and mike
Speaker 1: riding and hiking and all that stuff, Like it is
Speaker 1: real fertile all along the Snake River. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of volcanic rock and stuff. And outside
Speaker 1: of that, it's like this green valley to go through
Speaker 1: the desert, a lot of sedimentary soil and that was
Speaker 1: very volcanic in nature, that was ground up into a
Speaker 1: really fine pulp.
Speaker 2: That's why there's so many farms and potatoes potatoes here night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's that and then the animals, Like I
Speaker 1: took Beckham and I got within four or five feet
Speaker 1: of a deer that came clumping out of the river
Speaker 1: soaking wet.
Speaker 2: So I saw a couple of deer down there when
Speaker 2: we were looking at Map Rock.
Speaker 1: We did, and they were in the water on the
Speaker 1: little island bank kind of so I think they're probably
Speaker 1: marking out like food or maybe like boundary lines, like hey,
Speaker 1: you get this side of the river, we'll get this side.
Speaker 1: They were just trying to make defined lines work.
Speaker 2: You know. I've been doing a lot of reading on this,
Speaker 2: and so much so that it kind of all turns
Speaker 2: into a giant pile of goop in my brain. But
Speaker 2: the way that map Rock got its name was some
Speaker 2: guy I think his name was Robert Limbert in like
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty two, who was from the Smithsonian, and he
Speaker 2: came out and he saw this rock, which is a
Speaker 2: huge rock, as big as a car, and on the
Speaker 2: one surface that points towards the river, there was these
Speaker 2: inscriptions that looked very map like, and so he called
Speaker 2: it map Rock. Well, time goes forward, a lot of
Speaker 2: people have seen this thing, and a guy decides, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to use Google Earth and write a book,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to see if I can't make this
Speaker 2: line up with you know, the actual river flows and
Speaker 2: locations that you would find on Google Earth. And so
Speaker 2: he did and a lot of them lined up. And
Speaker 2: so I've got an illustration from his book, which is
Speaker 2: called The Map Rock of Idaho Decoded. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: author's name is Don I want to say Zulky or Zulky,
Speaker 2: Zulky or zulk There's this really cool chart in there
Speaker 2: that seems to line up. Well, here's the thing. There's
Speaker 2: been debate about the age of this rock that it
Speaker 2: could be as old as ten thousand years old. WHOA,
Speaker 2: that is frickin' old. Most Yeah, most petroglyphs here and
Speaker 2: in the Southwest are you know. They would range from
Speaker 2: anywhere from you know, three hundred all the way back
Speaker 2: to maybe fifteen hundred BC. So ten thousand years would
Speaker 2: be like really, really really old. If it's true, it
Speaker 2: would be the oldest map in the world.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So people debate this. But it was weird because we
Speaker 2: went out there and looked at it, We stood on
Speaker 2: top of it, we took pictures because there are petri
Speaker 2: glyft engravings on the top, on the sides.
Speaker 1: Kind of all around on the front, and so we
Speaker 1: took a lot of pictures of it.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's strange to think about that ten
Speaker 2: thousand years ago there might have been some indigenous person
Speaker 2: out stretched on the rock with a little chisel and
Speaker 2: a hammer and whacking away on it and describing something right,
Speaker 2: And if it were a map, how in the heck
Speaker 2: would they be so accurate as to know the locations
Speaker 2: of all these places that you can see now on
Speaker 2: Google Earth. But it's weird. I mean, you think about it.
Speaker 2: We were standing on some place where somehow somebody had
Speaker 2: information on how to make a map, long before maps
Speaker 2: were being made like that, and inscribed it on a
Speaker 2: rock by a small town in Melba where they're known
Speaker 2: for grown potatoes.
Speaker 1: M you've got to wonder what the other like people
Speaker 1: in that culture. We're thinking of the guy over there
Speaker 1: smacking a rock, like, there's man who chisels rock.
Speaker 4: What's he doing?
Speaker 2: He's crazy doing well?
Speaker 1: Giving him a hard time?
Speaker 2: Okay, we can talk about how old that is. So
Speaker 2: another fascinating tidbit, which we'll probably talk about a later time.
Speaker 2: In fact, I know we will because we're gonna hopefully
Speaker 2: get to go there, is that the oldest petroglyphs in
Speaker 2: North America are in a small location outside of Winnemucca, Nevada, Winnemacca, Winnemaca,
Speaker 2: and those they think could be anywhere from twelve to
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen thousand years old. If that's the case, they
Speaker 2: are the oldest petroglyphs that we know of in the Americas.
Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: That is crazy.
Speaker 1: Didn't we I don't know, it's kind of off topic,
Speaker 1: but didn't they just find like some of the oldest
Speaker 1: remains carbon dated wise ever in like oh, like Idaho.
Speaker 2: They were like Pontana or something. I can't remember anything
Speaker 2: about it right now.
Speaker 1: I thought that was weird. It is And then we
Speaker 1: got these old petroglyphs and this old map, this.
Speaker 2: Old map rock in the middle of nowhere, but truth
Speaker 2: be told, around this area are tons of petroglyphs, right
Speaker 2: and we saw quite a few of them. We went
Speaker 2: to Map Rock and we hiked around a little bit
Speaker 2: trying to find more up in the rock fields that
Speaker 2: were up above it. Didn't see any. And then we
Speaker 2: drove down the road a little bit and saw big
Speaker 2: rocks sitting up on a hill, and we went hiking
Speaker 2: up there. That's where we saw the rattlesnake, and there
Speaker 2: was a bunch of petroglyphs up there. And then there
Speaker 2: you know, it's Celebration Point, which is outside of Melbourn, Idaho.
Speaker 2: There are tons of petroglyphs there. You go further down
Speaker 2: the snake towards Swan Falls, there's all kinds of petroglyphs.
Speaker 2: You followed the snake up, you get up around Goodie
Speaker 2: and Idaho and that there are a bunch of petroc
Speaker 2: glyphs up there. I mean literally thousands, and a lot
Speaker 2: of them have the same kind of symbols, you know
Speaker 2: how you see like a train car and it's got
Speaker 2: spray painting on it, like they've been tagged by people.
Speaker 1: With the graffiti, I think we call those criminals.
Speaker 2: But they have a look and you can tell different
Speaker 2: kinds of gangs and stuff by the style of their graffiti.
Speaker 2: And in a way, I kind of almost see these
Speaker 2: petroglyphs as like ancient not graffiti, because I think they
Speaker 2: were more purposeful. But they have earmarks that make them
Speaker 2: look the same. So you go down further south, say
Speaker 2: you go down like the Four Corners region in New
Speaker 2: Mexico and Arizona, and you look at those and those
Speaker 2: are a little stylistically different, and I don't know, the
Speaker 2: whole thing to me is just really fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2: One thing about matt Rock is that they believe that
Speaker 2: it's that it was created by the ancestors of the
Speaker 2: show Shone tribe that frequented the Snake River plain, along
Speaker 2: with maybe the Bannock Indian tribes that go further towards
Speaker 2: the east up around Pocatello, Idaho, and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of petroglyphs in there. When we went to Four Corners
Speaker 2: and did a little things through you know, southern Utah,
Speaker 2: Zion and Bryce Canyon and all that. At Four Corners,
Speaker 2: they had this, like it was several different Indian tribes.
Speaker 2: They had like a flea market kind of thing, right,
Speaker 2: And I went and you could buy all kinds of
Speaker 2: trinkets and.
Speaker 1: Stuff shop kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that kind of fascinated me
Speaker 2: was a young man who was chiseling away at some
Speaker 2: rack and he was making these little petroglyphs nice and
Speaker 2: so I got talking to him, and the petroglyphs that
Speaker 2: he was making were patterned after actual petroglyphs that he
Speaker 2: had found in that area, and he had pictures of
Speaker 2: all of them, and so I've got I bought one.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it probably spent way too much money,
Speaker 2: but it's like a little humanoid kind of figure but
Speaker 2: looks like an alien, and in fact, they call it
Speaker 2: the alien petro. So we'll get into that stuff a
Speaker 2: little later. But there's a bunch of stuff around aliens,
Speaker 2: about the legends of giants and creatures with very big
Speaker 2: feet and cannibals, and there's all kinds of cool, juicy stuff.
Speaker 2: When you start looking at the legends and maybe some
Speaker 2: of the inspirations for some of the petroglyphs that we find,
Speaker 2: it's pretty crazy. But we'll get there. But tonight we're
Speaker 2: just starting off with map Rock because that's our kind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so what did you think of our trip down to
Speaker 2: map Rock?
Speaker 1: It was pretty fun, it was. I mean, I hadn't
Speaker 1: been down there really. I've been to Melba, I've been
Speaker 1: on the Snake River, but never that specific spot. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, just these big rocks and
Speaker 1: it's weird because the road goes right next to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole area is cool.
Speaker 2: It is pretty cool. And you know, one thing cool
Speaker 2: about it is for people that don't know the area,
Speaker 2: you have the Snake River Canyon and the river flows
Speaker 2: down through these areas. The walls are lined with these jagged, dark,
Speaker 2: jagging rocks and they crumbled down into the lower areas
Speaker 2: of the canyon, and then the river's running through it,
Speaker 2: and usually along the river's edge there's like some fertile
Speaker 2: area where farmers have created little, you know, farm plots, right,
Speaker 2: and they're growing wheat, potatoes and stuff. And then up
Speaker 2: above that on top of the canyon is also a
Speaker 2: lot of sedimentary soil up there, and that is the
Speaker 2: rich stuff around Melbow where they're growing potatoes and really
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 1: They like a lot of orchards and stuff around Melbow too, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, and in wineries and stuff too. There's
Speaker 2: something about the volcanic soil that's really I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's good for plank growth and that's what made Idahope
Speaker 2: potato so famous. Is this whole area. It's all a
Speaker 2: giant floodplain from when they think Lake Bonneville broke loose
Speaker 2: and so it washed all this soil down. It left
Speaker 2: these deposits of really rich soil for vegetation, and so
Speaker 2: it kind of makes sense when you think about that.
Speaker 2: That's why the Native Americans were following these furl areas,
Speaker 2: not so much because they were you know, plant growers,
Speaker 2: but because there was a lot of game and things
Speaker 2: like that that they could harvest.
Speaker 1: This kind of grew naturally and then the animals love.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, and then they would follow back and forth,
Speaker 2: you know, through the seasons, they would go through this
Speaker 2: area and they would you know, migrate back and forth.
Speaker 2: And so that's another aspect of the rocks that they
Speaker 2: think there that maybe they were navigational points for members
Speaker 2: of tribes where they could say, Okay, this is where
Speaker 2: we're at, and then we'll stay here for a certain
Speaker 2: amount of time. Then we'll move on to our next
Speaker 2: hunting ground or our next you know, if we're one
Speaker 2: hundred gatherer, we'll go gather somewhere else when you know,
Speaker 2: the fall comes and we have to move on, which
Speaker 2: is pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: It is pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: They're like signposts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they I mean, they came up with
Speaker 1: their own little system. It's kind of like a calendar,
Speaker 1: like each section could maybe be like, oh, through this
Speaker 1: part of the year until it gets the first frost
Speaker 1: or whatever, we'll move out to this other area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got their own little sections and they're kind of
Speaker 1: just migrating around and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's something that developed over time. It's not like,
Speaker 2: you know, they had two hundred years into this, like
Speaker 2: America has been around for a couple hundred years. They
Speaker 2: were there for thousands of years. This information was creimulated
Speaker 2: over thousands of years. The practice of creating petroglyphs wasn't
Speaker 2: like a one time deal. It was stuff that continued.
Speaker 2: So there's really old stuff and buy really new stuff
Speaker 2: right And in fact, in the hills outside of Gooding
Speaker 2: there are a lot of older Indian petroglyphs. But when
Speaker 2: the Basque sheep herders moved in, when they immigrated to
Speaker 2: the United States and moved west, and you know, around
Speaker 2: probably the turn of the century, late eighteen hundreds, early
Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds, they started leaving signs and stuff petro glyphs
Speaker 2: around the rocks. So they're right next to the old stuff.
Speaker 1: That's weird. Yeah, culture clash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of it almost makes me want to go
Speaker 2: out and chisel some rocks. Right, we could do a
Speaker 2: whole episode on.
Speaker 1: Rock Chisis That sounds like a terrible late night you know,
Speaker 1: like on some History channel, Welcome to Chiseling Rocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating you read this stuff. It's it's very informative,
Speaker 2: but it's something most people never slow down enough to
Speaker 2: actually pay attention to really ponder.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of weird petrogly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna go really strange here in the next
Speaker 2: few episodes, so hang with us.
Speaker 1: You know what I think of when I see stuff
Speaker 1: like map rock or whatever. What is There's a little
Speaker 1: Native American family and the kids are so freaking annoying,
Speaker 1: and there's an older brother and two little ones. And
Speaker 1: the mom tells the older brother just take the kids
Speaker 1: out of here so we can just clean up our
Speaker 1: little wit wom or whatever. And so the kid the
Speaker 1: older brother is like, fine, whatever, I'll go by the river,
Speaker 1: and it takes the kids down there. The kids are bored,
Speaker 1: and so just start scratching the rock. So the kids,
Speaker 1: you know, like kids will like scribble all over. They
Speaker 1: make like ziggy zaggy lines. But then the older brother
Speaker 1: was like, well that's kind of cool actually, So he's like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if I could Like, I wonder if I
Speaker 1: could deer, if that deer I saw yesterday that I
Speaker 1: was gonna hunt, but Dad wouldn't freaking let me. It
Speaker 1: was freaking trot and he drew a little deer and
Speaker 1: the kids were like, I can do that, and then
Speaker 1: they drew deer. But it's got like a big head.
Speaker 1: And then now we're like, oh, that must be aliens,
Speaker 1: And really it was just like bored.
Speaker 2: Well, there is some weird stuff around that that they
Speaker 2: believe that a lot of these things were created for
Speaker 2: religious reasons, like maybe the shamanistic kind of things, where
Speaker 2: you have like a tribal leader.
Speaker 1: Or a medicine man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Medicine man that goes out and does these things for
Speaker 2: specific reasons, maybe maybe to capture the spirits of the
Speaker 2: elk or deer so that they have a bountiful hunt,
Speaker 2: or you know, who knows what it is. But I
Speaker 2: find that very interesting too. And as primitive as these look,
Speaker 2: some of them are pretty darn sophisticated, maybe not here
Speaker 2: around our area, but in other parts, especially for people
Speaker 2: that are supposed to be that old, you know, eight
Speaker 2: thousand years ago, right, and so all of these things
Speaker 2: together kind of add this kind of mystique around.
Speaker 1: It, and that culture anyway has like kind of a
Speaker 1: like a more spiritual, spiritual and just mysterious because they
Speaker 1: were like they lived off the earth. They just everything
Speaker 1: they did was connected to whatever is going on in
Speaker 1: the world. So maybe it's not so much a map,
Speaker 1: but it's a story. Could be a story, or it
Speaker 1: could be like I don't even know, but it might
Speaker 1: not be so linear the way we think of it.
Speaker 1: It could be more like open. It could be more
Speaker 1: three dimensional where we apply our modern logic to X,
Speaker 1: Y and z. You know, maybe there's more to it
Speaker 1: than just oh, there must be a lot of deer
Speaker 1: here and that's what they were hunting.
Speaker 2: More to it or possibly less to it.
Speaker 1: It could have been more logical, it.
Speaker 2: Could be yeah, you know, it's really That's one thing
Speaker 2: I think is so cool about it. You can really
Speaker 2: start getting into all these thoughts and ideas about it.
Speaker 2: And what's so unique to me is that we can
Speaker 2: walk by this stuff and see it a thousand times
Speaker 2: and we never think about it. But when you start
Speaker 2: thinking about it, all these things start swirling and coming around.
Speaker 2: It's like the thought you just had. Maybe it's not linear,
Speaker 2: maybe it's it's something else. Maybe it's more philosophical, or
Speaker 2: maybe it's more spiritual or religious, or or you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's mysticism, or maybe it's a hard science of
Speaker 2: the day. You know, I don't know. You know, the
Speaker 2: little dots that they put on some of these rocks,
Speaker 2: is that like the members of the family, Is that
Speaker 2: the numbers of generations of your family heritage? Is that
Speaker 2: how many days until winter happens?
Speaker 1: I mean, it could say how many dots you could
Speaker 1: do before your arm got tired?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Is that.
Speaker 2: A punishment because you were a rotten little kid and
Speaker 2: your dad said, go out there and make dots on rock?
Speaker 2: You know, you don't know. But for whatever reason, it
Speaker 2: wasn't like a fly by night kind of thing that
Speaker 2: just happened. Once it was common and it was global.
Speaker 2: It was global, and these tribes they saw it everywhere
Speaker 2: they went and they shared it. And not just the
Speaker 2: tribes here, you know, the Shoshone and the Bannock and those,
Speaker 2: but all across the country. They were sharing parts of
Speaker 2: their culture in the way that they were depicting things
Speaker 2: on these rocks. And whether that timeframe was ten thousand
Speaker 2: years ago or two thousand years ago or five hundred
Speaker 2: years ago, it doesn't matter. It was still a way
Speaker 2: to share the information.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: One interesting thing I saw was every continent in the
Speaker 2: world except for one, has petroglyphs.
Speaker 1: Hm, can you guess the continent Antarctica?
Speaker 2: Antarctica? That's rue.
Speaker 1: I don't imagine there's many there.
Speaker 2: I mean there's rocks there, but it's kind of like
Speaker 2: a giant island.
Speaker 1: How you get there and why?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, another thing that's really fascinating is that a
Speaker 2: lot of the petroglyphs, even if they're in different locations,
Speaker 2: different continents, they share a lot of similarities.
Speaker 1: I one similarity just off the top of my head
Speaker 1: because I went to DC and my freshman year of
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, I remember that stayed at some hotel
Speaker 1: and we saw all these different kind of things, And
Speaker 1: it was hard because I was a freshman in high
Speaker 1: school and there's girls around you. I wasn't really paying
Speaker 1: attention to anything. But I do remember us going to
Speaker 1: one place and they said that there were stories and
Speaker 1: maybe petroglyphs or pictures of Native Americans like stabbing sturgeon
Speaker 1: and like riding them in the bay or the area,
Speaker 1: so I remember that. And then another thing that comes
Speaker 1: to mind is there's like a cave with some petroglyphs
Speaker 1: off a river, and I don't remember the exact location.
Speaker 1: I just heard this story and supposedly that's the entrance
Speaker 1: to the Hollow Earth. But you can only get there
Speaker 1: on a river, and you need to know where the
Speaker 1: cave is and follow the signs.
Speaker 2: So you have to find the right petroglyphs, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Find the right And then the other one I think
Speaker 1: of is it might have been like Meat Eater, the
Speaker 1: TV show, which is also a good podcast. It might
Speaker 1: have been like Chasing Monsters or one of those. But
Speaker 1: he's in like Brazil or some some tribal area in
Speaker 1: like South America, and it's like deep in the forest.
Speaker 1: I mean's just they're like breaking through sticks and their
Speaker 1: snakes and it's just nasty terrain there, like pulling their
Speaker 1: boats around waterfalls and just I mean it's bad. They
Speaker 1: get their boat up above the waterfall and they're about
Speaker 1: ready to launch back in the water and they're doing
Speaker 1: some fishing, maybe for some dinner, and there's a petroglyph,
Speaker 1: just a carving on a rock, right off by the river,
Speaker 1: and that's the first thing I think of, is like
Speaker 1: it's always by water. It's always like like waters were
Speaker 1: like the original highways, like you said, or or maybe
Speaker 1: there's more like spiritualness around water too. It's mysterious and.
Speaker 2: Well it's kind of what brings life. It is to
Speaker 2: as it brings life Terrius, which there's a fascinating parallel
Speaker 2: there too to the whole symbolism of the water that
Speaker 2: flowed out of the Garden of Eden. Yeah, but we're
Speaker 2: not gonna get in there yet.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it talks about that living water. Yeah, anywhere water,
Speaker 2: petroglyphs in their heavy symbolism and water. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I just noticed, you know, off the top of
Speaker 1: my head, the three that it come to mind. It's
Speaker 1: just well now four because of map rock and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, you know the other thing that kind of blew
Speaker 2: me away when I was researching some of this. So
Speaker 2: the Europeans came to the Americans what fifteen something, I
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, pre Columbus. But anyway, they came I
Speaker 2: think at fifteen hundreds, and they started going up and
Speaker 2: the Spanish people started to like take over tribes, and
Speaker 2: the tribes fought back. But it wasn't like the Americas
Speaker 2: was empty. I always in my mind thought there were
Speaker 2: a few, you know, sporadic tribes running around, you know,
Speaker 2: but there were huge numbers of Native American tribes and
Speaker 2: South American tribes, and they were all over the place,
Speaker 2: up and down the whole I mean, the content down
Speaker 2: through South America, all the way up through North America.
Speaker 1: And for a long time.
Speaker 2: For a long time obviously, I mean, these petrogls been
Speaker 2: around for up to twelve thousand years, I mean, which, okay,
Speaker 2: so I'm a skeptic on the dating on all of
Speaker 2: this stuff. Probably that's really fantastic, But even if it
Speaker 2: was twelve thousand years old, that's a mind blower, right.
Speaker 2: The Industrial Revolution started, like what sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, hundreds
Speaker 2: came out of the Dark ages, and then we have
Speaker 2: all this advance of technology in five hundred years, four
Speaker 2: hundred years. These culture have been around for thousands and
Speaker 2: thousands of years, I mean, and we only know about
Speaker 2: a little bit of it and we're trying to piece
Speaker 2: together the rest.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, and it's pretty crazy. That's what I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about, Like can you imagine having a complete
Speaker 1: record of the history of everything before.
Speaker 2: You know, writing it down.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, before it was like cataloged and well
Speaker 1: documented or at least documented to some extent, Like can
Speaker 1: you imagine just like this' one tribe, like a straight
Speaker 1: up Native American Romeo and Juliette story and it or
Speaker 1: like some big war of just aerow.
Speaker 2: Flames you don't know, or maybe we get a little
Speaker 2: glimpse of, like if you go down to South America
Speaker 2: and the Aztecs and some of the things there that
Speaker 2: were there, there are some things that kind of give
Speaker 2: you hints to some of that, or like you know,
Speaker 2: look in the Middle East, I mean out of Egypt
Speaker 2: and Assyria and all of those cultures. We do have
Speaker 2: a lot of history that's managed to survive because they
Speaker 2: could write the caneaform stuff, they could chisel it into rocks,
Speaker 2: and they could in a language and a something that
Speaker 2: could be deciphered, the Egyptian hieroglyphics, which is way different
Speaker 2: than a petroglyph because a petroglyph is isn't like a
Speaker 2: like a language like that. It might have meaning, but
Speaker 2: it's not a language that you can interpret like that. Right,
Speaker 2: We'll get into some of the meanings of some of
Speaker 2: the typical type of inscriptions that you find chiseled into rocks,
Speaker 2: but it's nothing compared to like the sophisticated cultures that
Speaker 2: you see in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: And it's just crazy. They have, like a good record
Speaker 1: of history in the Americas would be pretty insane.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well, and then you think, okay, we've
Speaker 2: got a pretty good timeline of like Egypt and Babylon
Speaker 2: and all of those. But then here in the Americas
Speaker 2: we don't have that. We have like nothing crude dating
Speaker 2: techniques for scratches and rocks and songs. But they're contemporary, right,
Speaker 2: They're just on a different content, split up by giant oceans.
Speaker 1: Right. Crazy.
Speaker 2: It baffles me. It makes me to you know, you
Speaker 2: wonder what kind of legacy you leave behind. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't scratch in rocks anymore. We build giant cities,
Speaker 2: I guess as cultures. But even even like things like
Speaker 2: books that used to be written are all going digital, right,
Speaker 2: So analog is going away. It's all going digital. So
Speaker 2: what are they going to find if there's a collapse
Speaker 2: of civilization, what are they fine?
Speaker 1: Trash?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't start up a I mean, okay, no
Speaker 2: offense to Apple and Macintosh and those computers, but two
Speaker 2: thousand years those aren't going to start.
Speaker 1: The only things are gonna have is no Kia phones.
Speaker 1: It's still working.
Speaker 2: Or maybe maybe they'll find a way to basically convey
Speaker 2: data out into the universe so that it will always
Speaker 2: be available. I don't know. Or maybe that's already happened
Speaker 2: and we just haven't tapped into it. Maybe we have
Speaker 2: the record of what happened in the primitive cultures. Maybe
Speaker 2: they're there, we just don't know how to access it yet.
Speaker 1: Isn't there a movie where the guy can see the
Speaker 1: past in a location?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he looks and he gets like an image
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember the name of it. That'd be cool.
Speaker 1: It'd be a weird superpower.
Speaker 2: It'd be terrifying.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think that a lot. Like when I'm hunting,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that come into my head.
Speaker 1: Like one, if I look straight, I just focus on
Speaker 1: one spot. How many animals are there in my field
Speaker 1: division that I just don't know?
Speaker 2: They're that are hidden?
Speaker 1: Snakes, rabbits, whatever, kittens, yeah, whatever. And then my other
Speaker 1: thing is lice. My other thing is like, has somebody
Speaker 1: walked here? Like, surely there has been somebody up here.
Speaker 2: When you're up on a mountain, Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you feel so alone, like you don't see anybody.
Speaker 1: But we've been on hikes before. We're like, we're way
Speaker 1: off the path. Yeah, nobody, and we're taking a step
Speaker 1: and wait and there's a bootprint or maybe like a
Speaker 1: power bar wrapper. Yeah, and you're like, dang.
Speaker 2: You go to Antarctica and there a Coca Cola can,
Speaker 2: Polar Bear Coca Cola nice. Which there's a lot of
Speaker 2: weird stuff in Antarctica. I was reading some stuff on it,
Speaker 2: like secret military bases. But anyway, that's another that's another episode.
Speaker 1: The center or the entrance to the hollow in the.
Speaker 2: North Pole South Pole is like a giant underground bunker
Speaker 2: where they're doing we'd testing and stuff with aliens or yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but anyway, we don't want to go there yet. We
Speaker 2: don't want to waste we don't want to burn all
Speaker 2: our future episodes. But yeah, so map Rock. Map Rock
Speaker 2: is kind of our map start. It's kind of our
Speaker 2: start here location. It seemed fitting, and we're going to
Speaker 2: map out some things moving forward. As we go into
Speaker 2: this a little deeper, we're going to talk a little
Speaker 2: more about some different petroglyphs, and we're going to ponder stuff, right,
Speaker 2: you know, I love pondering. Who knows? I hope that
Speaker 2: we're not being offensive to any Native American friends out
Speaker 2: there that listening. We don't know a whole heck of a
Speaker 2: lot about what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: No, but it's a cool reason reason or just kind
Speaker 1: of learn about something, and yeah, odds are you and
Speaker 1: me will probably get a lot of it wrong.
Speaker 2: I would really like to find and we have a
Speaker 2: few friends that have a very rich Native American past,
Speaker 2: I would love to sit down and learn some of
Speaker 2: the spiritual thoughts they have about what these are. One
Speaker 2: thing I don't want to do is say anything that
Speaker 2: offends anybody, because a lot of this stuff, if it
Speaker 2: does have kind of a religious or spiritual context to it,
Speaker 2: I don't want to trivialize that, right, because that's something
Speaker 2: that's very important to them. Just to kind of get
Speaker 2: this in everybody's veins, I would love people to go
Speaker 2: out and look around in their geographical area and see
Speaker 2: what kind of petroglyphs might be close by. If you'd
Speaker 2: like to take pictures of those and send them to us,
Speaker 2: we'll share them on our website. I would love to
Speaker 2: see them. I know there are tons out there, and
Speaker 2: if you have any information about them, you know, and
Speaker 2: that maybe we can't just find by googling it or
Speaker 2: getting online. Gosh would love that information.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the people I talk to they
Speaker 1: have like a oh yeah, back when Oregon, where I
Speaker 1: grew up, of stories, there's a you know, a big
Speaker 1: old rock, it's got a carve in of a canoe,
Speaker 1: or you know some crazy thing. Everybody's got a story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. So that kind of gets me into
Speaker 2: my final thing, which is, if you, Austin, we're going
Speaker 2: to go out and create your own petroglyph, what would
Speaker 2: you inscribe on that? Knowing that in a thousand years,
Speaker 2: two thousand years, ten thousand years somebody would look at it,
Speaker 2: what would you want to put on that?
Speaker 1: I think it would be like a big a okay,
Speaker 1: with an I in the middle of it, like these
Speaker 1: kind of like radio frequency bolts.
Speaker 2: This strange thing will goo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the strange thing. That's a weird rock.
Speaker 2: That would be really cool.
Speaker 1: It's a giant but what about what.
Speaker 2: About I mean as as you as a human leaving
Speaker 2: a legacy for future generations to see or to convey
Speaker 2: something that was important to you. What would you put
Speaker 2: on the rock? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting question because I wonder sometimes that might
Speaker 2: help us understand what they put on the rocks, something
Speaker 2: important to them. I would probably put a picture.
Speaker 1: In my truck, in my motorcycle, my dog, my wife, my.
Speaker 2: Kids, in that order.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my bow, my compound bow, not like a stick
Speaker 1: bow like in the petroglyphs, but like my compound bow
Speaker 1: in great detail.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think I would do. I'd
Speaker 2: do a family chiseling m hm, and like my family
Speaker 2: because I want people to know that I had a
Speaker 2: great family. I do my grandparents, I do my parents,
Speaker 2: I do my kids, I do my wife, I do
Speaker 2: my grandkids and my great grandkids, in fact, as many
Speaker 2: kids as maybe when I'm ninety I'm out there chiseling
Speaker 2: because I just had my great great grandkid. That would
Speaker 2: be awesome. And then like something maybe like a tree
Speaker 2: to say this is a family tree.
Speaker 1: Oh a tree, yeah, tree nice?
Speaker 2: I like the idea tree. And then maybe something that
Speaker 2: means something to me spiritually, like a cross, or like
Speaker 2: a dove or a something that vins something like that,
Speaker 2: that would be cool. Trying to think anything else, tell
Speaker 2: my cell phone number.
Speaker 1: Mike was here, Yeah, Mike was here for a good
Speaker 1: time call, or you know, like six three old nine,
Speaker 1: like all the stuff.
Speaker 2: That we carve in trees, Initials in a heart forever.
Speaker 1: Beckham and I have a log out by the lake
Speaker 1: where we shoot carps that has our initials described into it.
Speaker 1: A plus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Part of me thinks that the reason
Speaker 2: that these were inscribed in stone is because they meant
Speaker 2: a lot. Whatever it is, it means something pretty major
Speaker 2: that they wanted a lot of people to know about
Speaker 2: for a long long time. Reminds me of the old
Speaker 2: Randy Travis song written in stone.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take you down to the riverside where the
Speaker 4: water runs slow, and why there's a big old rock
Speaker 4: out in the middle, and not to my ham un
Speaker 4: chisel and worked all night so you could see just
Speaker 4: how much you mean to me. I carved your name
Speaker 4: riding next to mine, and it'll be there till the
Speaker 4: end of time, and my love last at least that long.
Speaker 4: It's written in stone.
Speaker 2: How feel for you?
Speaker 4: It's written in stone? What I want to.
Speaker 1: I don't know that one. There's a lot of songs
Speaker 1: that say that we're rocking it, but.
Speaker 2: I wanted to get the Randy Travis.
Speaker 1: Randy Travis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the first CD moment I ever bought
Speaker 2: when they first came out with the compact disc technology.
Speaker 2: WHOA have a lot of five discs Sony CD changer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was cool cool. I didn't have a stereo system
Speaker 2: to play it on, but I bought the component nice.
Speaker 2: Well anyway, Hey, it was a fun discussion to get
Speaker 2: this thing going. Kickoff. We have a video of our
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Speaker 1: Video editing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually it sucks. The camera camera fell over, camera
Speaker 2: fell over. I didn't adjust the I was set on auto,
Speaker 2: so it was in a dark I lightened it up
Speaker 2: the best I could, but there's a lot of artifacts
Speaker 2: and because it was getting pretty dark and the wind
Speaker 2: was blowing like forty.
Speaker 1: Miles in the video. Oh, my legs are huge.
Speaker 2: Because they're aimed forward. I know, but we just used
Speaker 2: our regular digital camera and put it on video mode,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't that great. We gotta fix that. I'm
Speaker 2: actually looking at some drones, whoa some follow me drones.
Speaker 2: But we could set some way points and have them
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Speaker 2: look at them from different angles. It would be cool
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Speaker 2: because people get probably tired of listening to our voices
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Speaker 2: Yeah, follow us. We got all of those. I think
Speaker 2: we were up to like I think on Instagram, I
Speaker 2: think we're around a half. I think we're almost at
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Speaker 2: up to thirty. We'd like to have like thirty thousand,
Speaker 2: thirty jillion. I'd probably post more on Instagram and Twitter
Speaker 2: if we had more people that followed us. But I
Speaker 2: feel like, oh, two people are going to get a message.
Speaker 1: What's the point. Oh there's Mic in his rock again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like talking about his rock.
Speaker 1: But we don't forget to leave reviews though on Yeah
Speaker 1: iTunes and Stitcher and Yeah and all them guys.
Speaker 2: I do think the stuff we talk about is interesting
Speaker 2: enough that it will resonate with people if we get
Speaker 2: enough kind of traction going the weird people. Yeah, weird people.
Speaker 1: People were talking about, Oh what what did you get
Speaker 1: for Father's Day?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got some really cool cornhole boards that
Speaker 2: have our logo on them. I don't know, some crazy
Speaker 2: kids of mine went in together and had them made
Speaker 2: special for me.
Speaker 1: You're super sweet.
Speaker 2: I just sat down and smiled for like a half hour. Giggled, yeah, giggle,
Speaker 2: I just smiled. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Well. Shout out to Cody the Cornhole King.
Speaker 2: Cody cornhole king. Is he the guy that made the boards,
Speaker 2: made thanks in your neighborhood and turned out really sweet?
Speaker 2: And what was that Shaley or pizza hut?
Speaker 1: Hi Shaley, Yeah, hi to you and.
Speaker 2: Any one down in California. Good to see that you
Speaker 2: like some of the stuff we put up, and makes
Speaker 2: me feel good that you're still listening. So if she
Speaker 2: ares around guys with that Austin, any closing words, any
Speaker 2: words of wisdom?
Speaker 1: Not really, I got nothing. I'm not wise.
Speaker 2: I gotta do is say, you know, take this lessons
Speaker 2: we talk about map rock. You got to build your
Speaker 2: life on the rock.
Speaker 1: On the rock, right, because.
Speaker 2: All the rest is sinking sand. Oh and if you
Speaker 2: know that reference, I'm sorry. I hope I made you
Speaker 2: smile or cry one of the other. All right, awkward word, Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So join us next time for some cold drinks and
Speaker 1: some strange conversations about rocks. That's true.