WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:28.800 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:29.440 the poll? 4 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:32.640 The question why. 5 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:40.039 The stories told and left behind in shadows? 6 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.640 Where the truth we find? 7 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:49.920 They built their tails on grafts and lives on. 8 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:57.320 Theories they stake their designed put down here on this 9 00:00:58.000 --> 00:00:59.679 solid ground. 10 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.560 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 11 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.480 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files. We're recording 12 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:11.519 on this Saturday, November ninth, about one pm Eastern time. 13 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:16.439 It's a beautiful day. It's about sixty degrees sunny, and 14 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:18.760 we're expecting some rain. Like I was talking with our 15 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:21.159 guests Darren just a minute ago, we haven't had rain, 16 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.400 I think in some four to six weeks, and we 17 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.640 are in desperate need of rain, looking forward to that. 18 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:29.680 And you know, the election is coming gone, and look, 19 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.359 we've all survived, so I hope everybody as well. God 20 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.879 bless y' all in the coming weeks. Here in the 21 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:38.959 United States. We have Thanksgiving just around the corner that 22 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:40.519 time of year. 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So 50 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.479 I think we've covered all of our bases today and 51 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:11.560 we're going to jump down to the great state of 52 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.479 Arkansas and we're going to join Darren today. Darren, how 53 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:16.080 are you hey? 54 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:17.240 I'm all right, how are you? 55 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.080 I'm doing really well, beautiful day. Your audio is crystal clear, 56 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.000 and please take a moment and introduce yourself to the audience. 57 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:29.240 All right, Well, I'm I'm Darren. Like like George said, 58 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:36.479 I'm from living in Arkansas. I'm an elder in our 59 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:41.439 fellowship group. It's kind of unique because I've listened to well, 60 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.039 I'm caught up on all the episodes, so I've listened 61 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:47.120 to them all and it's I've heard many times about 62 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:52.199 how people have talked about the early church and how 63 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:56.000 they met and everybody's homes, and that's that's exactly what 64 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:59.159 our church does. Is we we have a few families 65 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:04.039 that open up their houses and uh, we we would 66 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:08.319 do we up until this circulation, we we did that 67 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.319 in our house. But our fellowship has actually grown so 68 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.400 big that our house is literally too small now, so 69 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:20.079 we uh, we actually had to draw by and just 70 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.399 go to the next rotation because we we wouldn't be 71 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:27.199 able to set it up. The unique thing is is 72 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.079 uh when it comes to flat earth, and I'll just 73 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:34.480 share it is h. I hadn't ever heard of the 74 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.839 phrase a flat earther until a couple of years ago, 75 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.560 and I think that's I think that was looking back, 76 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.079 was the first time that I actually emailed you, George. 77 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:44.639 Uh. 78 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:47.399 But we can get into all that a little bit later. 79 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:52.480 But I've always questioned things, and I guess it was 80 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:56.000 just from being raised. I guess you can say, in 81 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.199 a dysfunctional household, you know, because you start off with 82 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:01.680 wise like this, why is it like that? You know, 83 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:06.079 because things weren't explained and not just flat earth or 84 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.040 just like the way you were raised, and you would 85 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:15.160 see how the other kids it seemed like they were, 86 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.879 let's just say it, raised in a happy household. And 87 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.160 then you so you start asking, You start being self taught. 88 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:25.439 You know, well, how come their life is like this 89 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.199 when our life is like this? So right off the bat, 90 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.680 you learn how to question certain things that don't really 91 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.279 make sense. And I think That's what's got me to 92 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:39.279 the point now of just if it doesn't make sense, 93 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:41.040 I have to question it. 94 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:46.120 So that's a great point because I know when I 95 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.319 was in school, the smart kids who continue to ask 96 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.560 questions and you're looking at the clock and you're just like, 97 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.439 stop asking questions. And then as you get older and 98 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.759 start to realize that asking questions is something that we 99 00:05:57.839 --> 00:05:59.839 don't do enough of. And I think we kind of 100 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.959 before we hit the record button, we were talking about 101 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.279 a certain subject. I think this time, more than ever, 102 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:10.040 people should be asking questions about everything. 103 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:16.439 Yes, I know, you know when I was well, I 104 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.800 guess since we're both the same age. When we were young, 105 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.759 I don't know how often you watched That school House Rock. 106 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.600 Oh yeah, I'm just a bill. Yeah. 107 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.759 Yeah. It's funny because the one that the one that 108 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.160 I like the most and I still sing it today, 109 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.839 just just like a couple seconds of it. Is that 110 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.480 that one that where it's the ice skater and it's 111 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.000 two times four is the number eight and the number 112 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:40.199 eight is two times four. 113 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:40.759 Yep. 114 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:47.480 And it's funny because looking back, there's there's an episode 115 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.319 of That school House Rock where it's a shows a 116 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.160 globe and then all the different races of the world. 117 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:59.000 But it's actually showing people standing on the globe and 118 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:03.839 summer right side, but some are upside down. And I 119 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:07.360 remember looking at that when I was in grade school, going, 120 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.240 so if we if I'm up here, because it always 121 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.800 showed America up and I was like, you know, if 122 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.839 I'm up here and I stand on my head, they 123 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:24.160 say that because of gravity, all the blood will rush 124 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.879 to my head. But the people on the bottom, let's 125 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.519 say Australia or South America. But if they do the 126 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:36.000 same thing, which they're already technically upside down, if they 127 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:40.639 do the same thing, gravity will cause the blood to 128 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:43.879 rush to their head. And I remember when I was 129 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:48.879 in grade school thinking, well, how is that even possible? 130 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.680 You know, if gravity is just the force of pulling 131 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:57.199 something down, then that you know, And then I started 132 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.399 thinking about it just a few weeks ago. I was like, well, 133 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.160 then gravity is a whole lot more magnificent than what 134 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:06.759 than just pulling something down. It's actually pulling something to 135 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:11.800 the quote unquote global core because but then it's also 136 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.839 magical because it actually knows if you're standing on your 137 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:18.839 feet or if you're standing on your hands, because if 138 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.639 we're standing on our feet, gravity doesn't cause the blood 139 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.000 to rush to our feet, but as soon as we 140 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.240 turn over, it rushes to our head. 141 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.000 That is a great observation that I don't think anybody 142 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.919 has ever made before on the show. If it's logical 143 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:38.480 one way, it should be logical the other way. 144 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:42.279 Correct. Yes, yes, And that's one of those things that 145 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:47.000 I've you know, it's almost like an apologetics thing. You know, 146 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:49.720 if one rule applies this way, then it also has 147 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:52.879 to apply the other way, because exactly. And just to 148 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.279 share a conversation I had with the guy because he 149 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:02.039 wasn't a believer, and I had asked him, uh, and 150 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.320 I say believer. I don't know if I said that 151 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:05.879 at the well, yeah, I guess I did say that 152 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:07.879 I was a Christian at the beginning. But he, uh, 153 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:12.279 this guy was he he didn't believe. And and so 154 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:16.320 some people were around him and and was asking him 155 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.559 why he didn't believe, and he said something about, you know, well, 156 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.360 the Bible's too old, it's written by people that we 157 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.159 didn't know. And I just you know, and I wasn't 158 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.960 there to see it, and this and that, and and 159 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.000 I ended up sitting down by him, and I said, uh. 160 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.519 I looked at him. I said, is that literally how 161 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.000 you believe? And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that 162 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.879 there's no way that I can literally verify all the 163 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:40.840 stuff that is written in the Bible because it's just 164 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.879 so old and the supposed authors just there's no way 165 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.759 that I can verify what they say they saw. And 166 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:49.799 I looked at him and I looked around like I 167 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.440 was suspicious, and I leaned over and I go, I 168 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:57.279 appreciate you saying that, and he goes really really and 169 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.919 I was like, yeah, I said, because I never thought 170 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:04.559 George Washington was the first president. And he just looked 171 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.519 at me and he goes, oh, well, George Washington was 172 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.720 the first president. And I was like, I was like, no, no, no, no, 173 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.759 because the only way that we have proof of that 174 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.840 is a book that is just so old that I 175 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.279 can't verify the authors of it, and I don't know 176 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.600 the authors of it. And other than that, you know, 177 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.960 I mean, it's just happened so supposedly so long ago. 178 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.279 There's no way that I can verify it. So because 179 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.559 of what you said, it validates the fact that there's 180 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.440 no proof that George Washington was the first president. And 181 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.200 he like was like, what are you talking about? And 182 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:40.919 I was like, I was like, dude, don't worry about it. 183 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:44.399 I'm on your side. I'm on your side because if 184 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.080 one rule applies one way, it has to apply the other. 185 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:50.039 And if we can use that rule to apply to 186 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.039 an old book like the Bible, we can use it 187 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.440 to apply to an old book like a history book. 188 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.519 And he just looked at me and he was just speechless. 189 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.399 I was like, I was like, dude, that's how it is. 190 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.000 And I said, but I appreciate you because now I'm 191 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:07.559 going to go tell my family that George Washington wasn't 192 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:09.720 the first president. He's like, wait, hold on, hold on, 193 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.320 hold on, hold on, Maybe maybe we need to rethink this. 194 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:18.080 Then that's exactly what we need to do, is rethink this. 195 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:23.240 So that's really well done. And that is the sort 196 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:26.679 of way that you really need to communicate with people. Again, 197 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.159 if you just try to force information, force feed people, 198 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.240 they're going to shine you really quick. They're going to 199 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.120 back off. But if you take their logic and then 200 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.320 they use it like you did as far as history 201 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.440 and the founding fathers, it will at a minimum make 202 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.559 them rethink their original theory, right, and that well, I 203 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:45.600 can't believe in God because that book is too old. 204 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:49.720 But you believe in you know, all the other historical 205 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:52.399 tales from man's side, but not God's side. So maybe 206 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.879 you gave him something to chew on, and maybe he 207 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.320 had hard time sleeping that night with that running through 208 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:57.759 his head. 209 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:02.080 Yeah. I think before he pass away he actually Now 210 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:06.440 he wouldn't not my understanding, he wouldn't profess God or Jesus, 211 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:11.639 but he would proclaim a creator. So I literally think 212 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.279 he was heading down the right direction. Now, I don't know. 213 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:16.879 I lost touch with him for a while, so before 214 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:18.559 he passed away, I don't know where he was at, 215 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:19.200 but you. 216 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:23.240 Can only pray. Yeah, hopefully he did by the way 217 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.639 you jarred some memories. I'm actually working on a podcast 218 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.320 for the Fact Hunter about how children's television and its 219 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:36.000 programming has a very nefarious meaning to it, and Schoolhouse 220 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:38.279 Rock had more than that one you were mentioning that 221 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:40.960 had something called Inner Planet Janet, which was from nineteen 222 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.320 seventy eight. And if you do just a little bit 223 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:47.120 of research about the people behind this, once again it 224 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:51.360 comes off as educational, but there is a deeper meaning 225 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:56.279 and possibly something a little more nefarious to it than 226 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.480 just education. Now, not every single one, right, I'm just 227 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.320 a bill and all these other things, but the they 228 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.919 did touch on space and those type of things in 229 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:09.519 the globe more than once, for sure. 230 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:15.200 Oh yeah, yeah, I remember one, and I only remember 231 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.679 just a few of them, like the conjunction Junction. I 232 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.039 like that one too. Yeah, but there was one where 233 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.600 it was like a lady. It was like a female 234 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:28.440 rocket going into space. But I can't remember what that 235 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.120 was about. And yeah, it's. 236 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:36.000 Called InterPlaNet Janet. No, I'll have it in the show notes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 237 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:37.639 that's from nineteen seventy eight, believe it or not. 238 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.240 Oh wow, we are old. 239 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:47.879 Yeah, nineteen eighty four was forty years ago. And that's like, man, 240 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.960 that's crazy. The freshman in high school in nineteen eighty four. 241 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:56.840 I'd like to ask you your journey to the truth. Obviously, 242 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:58.720 Christ has been a part of your life for a 243 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.080 long time, but when I know you kind of mentioned 244 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:06.879 to it, but was there a particular event that started 245 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.519 you to lead to a road where you started to 246 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.159 begin to understand that maybe this world really living in 247 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:20.840 is falsely created and not everything is as it seems. 248 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:24.080 Well, believe it or not. The most recent is was 249 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:29.759 the Chris Jericho podcast Talk is Jericho Now? The questioning 250 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.000 happened a long time ago. I know. The first email 251 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:36.320 that I wrote you was, you know that big purple 252 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:40.120 arm gas that every once in a great while that 253 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:42.559 appears in the sky. And of course now you can 254 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.279 google and you can find all the pictures of it. 255 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.279 And I remember when I was a kid, you know, 256 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:55.039 probably before seventy eight, asking what that was, and I 257 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:58.559 was told by the adults, I'm assuming a teacher maybe 258 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.679 that uh, that was the arm of the Milky Way Galaxy. 259 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:09.840 And I remember thinking then, well, the the satellite that 260 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.320 they said that they had sent out, which was way 261 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:20.600 before the the the Moon landing. I remember thinking, well, 262 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.480 it it hasn't even made it past any of the planets, so, 263 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:29.919 you know. And then I found an encyclopedia that had 264 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:32.279 a picture of what they say the Milky Way Galaxy 265 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:35.279 look like. I'm like, but none of them, there's no, no, 266 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.559 there's nothing from Earth that has actually made it that 267 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:43.399 far out to see the spiral arms formation. And I 268 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.639 remember thinking, well, how do they even know if nothing 269 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.159 is out there to take a picture, and you know, 270 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.200 so I started questioning them. But fast forward to uh, 271 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:58.840 it was pre COVID, and I was because I'm a 272 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:04.360 I'm a pro wrestling fan. The down the downside is, uh, 273 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.440 right now, I have no way to watch wrestling, and 274 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:10.879 I have to admit and it's a fleshy side of me. 275 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.480 Excuse me. Uh it bothers me that I don't have 276 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.279 a way to watch it. But anyway, so, uh, I 277 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:25.120 was listening to the Chris Jericho podcast and and he 278 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:28.879 would have interviews on their wrestlers and stuff and and 279 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:30.399 uh and then all of a sudden he had David 280 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:36.120 Weiss and uh, and I was like, I don't even 281 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.559 know who that guy is. And and so then I 282 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:41.960 started listening to him and he started bringing up all 283 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:46.360 these things that you know, kind of made sense and 284 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:50.240 and then uh uh and I listened to I actually 285 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:52.559 think I went back and listened to it a couple 286 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.519 of times and I was like, I was like, oh yeah, 287 00:16:55.600 --> 00:17:00.679 So that kind of rekindled the whole question everything. And 288 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:04.640 the unique thing is, is is it where I used 289 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:08.880 to work? I would Uh, I was walking through the 290 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:12.720 truck shop one time where the mechanics were and and uh, 291 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.319 and you know, and I would just walk through, not 292 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:18.839 to really stop and talk or anything, which I did 293 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.039 quite often anyway, but I would walk through to say 294 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:26.000 distance of having to walk around. And Uh. There's this 295 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:28.079 one guy that came up and he was always hitting 296 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:31.079 me up about stuff and and and he goes. He 297 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.680 looked at me, like the day after I listened to 298 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.039 that podcast and he was he goes, so, what's going on? 299 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.359 What's new and Darren's life? And I looked at him 300 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:41.240 and I said, well, I'm pondering if we actually live 301 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.079 on a spinning globe or if we're on a flat earth. 302 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.720 And he started laughing and he sat there and he 303 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.400 was like, He's like, why would we be on a 304 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.599 flat earth? And I was like, I don't know. Do 305 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:59.279 you see any curves around and he just he was like, well, 306 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.119 well know, because there's hills around here, there's no way. 307 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:03.759 And I was like, yeah, but if we got high enough, 308 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.000 do you think we'd see curves? And he was like 309 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:10.839 he was like, well, well, well wouldn't we. And I 310 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.279 was like, I was like, I really don't know. I said, uh, 311 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.359 but things add up to where I said, if we 312 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:20.880 stood on the hill and we looked, you know, towards 313 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:25.480 the horizon. Should we even be able to see what 314 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.720 we see? I said, because of the curve of the earth, 315 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:32.720 it should actually be going down. And because where we are, 316 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:37.440 where we live is like there's mountains everywhere, and uh, 317 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.799 and the more I thought about it, the mountains shouldn't 318 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.799 even be straight up and down. They should be literally 319 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:48.519 leaning one way or another. Because of the curve, I 320 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:52.079 shouldn't be able to see the top. You know, it's like, 321 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.559 let's say a ninety degree angle, it would be more 322 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:58.200 of a leaning. I don't know the degree, but it 323 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:00.920 would be leaning like forty five degrees the other way 324 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:04.799 if it was on the curve. And so every day 325 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:07.440 I would walk through there and he would he would 326 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.279 look at me and go, dude, you got you got 327 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.960 me thinking? You got me thinking. And I'm like, I'm like, 328 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:17.359 man's that's what friends do is I need you to 329 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.279 think and you need to make me think. And so 330 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:22.319 it was just one thing after another. But it all 331 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:23.960 started with that podcast. 332 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:28.480 And I remember that podcast and hearing it for the 333 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:30.680 first time. Actually, Dave, I think Dave's been on there 334 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.480 two or three times, but the original one was I 335 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.880 think four or five years ago for the first time. 336 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:38.960 And I think it's cool too because I grew up 337 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:41.200 my family was wrestling fans. My dad used to take 338 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:44.119 me to the Spectrum in Philadelphia and we'd see Hawk 339 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:49.079 Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior and that era as well, 340 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.079 So you know, I knew who Chris Jericho was caught 341 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:55.240 onto his podcast and then I had already at that 342 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.359 point I had personally talked to Dave. I talked to 343 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.319 him I think five years ago in my other podcast 344 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.880 for the first time, and he is really blessed with 345 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.400 being able to answer every question. He's someone who is 346 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.440 driven on one particular subject that is extremely knowledgeable. And 347 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:14.880 for those who don't know now, he's actually doing these 348 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.440 Zoom meetings with junior high and high school classes now, 349 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:23.880 so he is actually at the forefront for waking people up. 350 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:28.480 And I've kind of I haven't. I'm so busy with 351 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:31.079 everything else. I haven't been keeping up with this podcast. 352 00:20:31.480 --> 00:20:34.640 But he's at least like your friend, he's to the 353 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.720 point where going from I guess atheists who at least 354 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:42.160 he acknowledges the creator as well, which you know once 355 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:44.599 you come to the fact that yep, that you know 356 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:47.440 we don't live on a globe, and you know, you 357 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.119 know the firmament and everything else, you realize that there 358 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:52.920 has to be a creator. And you know, through all 359 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:57.559 the emails, this has made a very big impact on 360 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:58.319 people's lives. 361 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:02.880 Yeah, I know, I'm I'm impressed by the way that 362 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.359 there's been lots of people that were atheists before that 363 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:12.119 when they when they noticed the level plane that that 364 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:17.039 they got them to start trying to figure out, okay, 365 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:21.680 so what caused this, and then they they see the 366 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:25.400 causation and then they see the the cause maker, which 367 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:30.680 would be the which would be God. I know, now, 368 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.359 if if I could just speak it up, because I 369 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:37.720 know that there are some people that uh and just 370 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.079 a few that have been on the podcast that they're 371 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:46.640 consumed with flat earth and uh and to me, it's 372 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:52.160 the and not that it in a hole is is bad. 373 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:55.480 But if you're consumed with it, then then the the 374 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:59.319 the flat earth model could be be an idol and 375 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:03.240 we need to I get the whole we need to 376 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.599 get all the facts about it. But then but if 377 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:10.440 you start idolizing it, then you you're losing the part 378 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:13.359 where Jesus is the main part of your life. And 379 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:16.599 I mean, and I just had to throw that out 380 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.960 there because and I forget, just a few weeks ago, 381 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.480 I was listening to one of the episodes and there 382 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:24.279 was a person they were just boom boom, boom boom, 383 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:28.480 you know, and and I'm like, you know, the Bible 384 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:32.480 warns us about having idols, and uh and you know, 385 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:35.480 like there, I've met people that their kids are their idols. 386 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:38.160 They will do anything and everything for their kids. And 387 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.279 there's grandparents that will do anything and everything for their grandkids. 388 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:44.519 Well there, it turns their the kids and the grandkids 389 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:50.319 into idols. And you know, and with that you as 390 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:54.079 important as I feel that finding the truth. You know, 391 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:59.480 if you spend every waking moment to prove the flat earth, 392 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.319 and all of a sudden it becomes your idol and 393 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:08.200 you start slipping away, you know, from from the importance 394 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.039 of Jesus being who we need to serve. If that 395 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:12.640 makes sense. 396 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.680 Yeah, one hundred percent. Moderation is the key to everything 397 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.759 it is, you know, in the realm of conspiracies. You know, 398 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.160 I tell people, you know, whether it's nine to eleven, 399 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:26.799 this and that. But I do think this is one 400 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:29.920 of the great deceptions of man. I put it up there. 401 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:34.440