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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
Speaker 3: for another edition of the Flat Earth Files. We're recording
Speaker 3: on this Saturday, November ninth, about one pm Eastern time.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful day. It's about sixty degrees sunny, and
Speaker 3: we're expecting some rain. Like I was talking with our
Speaker 3: guests Darren just a minute ago, we haven't had rain,
Speaker 3: I think in some four to six weeks, and we
Speaker 3: are in desperate need of rain, looking forward to that.
Speaker 3: And you know, the election is coming gone, and look,
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Speaker 3: I think we've covered all of our bases today and
Speaker 3: we're going to jump down to the great state of
Speaker 3: Arkansas and we're going to join Darren today. Darren, how
Speaker 3: are you hey?
Speaker 1: I'm all right, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing really well, beautiful day. Your audio is crystal clear,
Speaker 3: and please take a moment and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm I'm Darren. Like like George said,
Speaker 1: I'm from living in Arkansas. I'm an elder in our
Speaker 1: fellowship group. It's kind of unique because I've listened to well,
Speaker 1: I'm caught up on all the episodes, so I've listened
Speaker 1: to them all and it's I've heard many times about
Speaker 1: how people have talked about the early church and how
Speaker 1: they met and everybody's homes, and that's that's exactly what
Speaker 1: our church does. Is we we have a few families
Speaker 1: that open up their houses and uh, we we would
Speaker 1: do we up until this circulation, we we did that
Speaker 1: in our house. But our fellowship has actually grown so
Speaker 1: big that our house is literally too small now, so
Speaker 1: we uh, we actually had to draw by and just
Speaker 1: go to the next rotation because we we wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to set it up. The unique thing is is
Speaker 1: uh when it comes to flat earth, and I'll just
Speaker 1: share it is h. I hadn't ever heard of the
Speaker 1: phrase a flat earther until a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I think that's I think that was looking back,
Speaker 1: was the first time that I actually emailed you, George.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: But we can get into all that a little bit later.
Speaker 1: But I've always questioned things, and I guess it was
Speaker 1: just from being raised. I guess you can say, in
Speaker 1: a dysfunctional household, you know, because you start off with
Speaker 1: wise like this, why is it like that? You know,
Speaker 1: because things weren't explained and not just flat earth or
Speaker 1: just like the way you were raised, and you would
Speaker 1: see how the other kids it seemed like they were,
Speaker 1: let's just say it, raised in a happy household. And
Speaker 1: then you so you start asking, You start being self taught.
Speaker 1: You know, well, how come their life is like this
Speaker 1: when our life is like this? So right off the bat,
Speaker 1: you learn how to question certain things that don't really
Speaker 1: make sense. And I think That's what's got me to
Speaker 1: the point now of just if it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: I have to question it.
Speaker 3: So that's a great point because I know when I
Speaker 3: was in school, the smart kids who continue to ask
Speaker 3: questions and you're looking at the clock and you're just like,
Speaker 3: stop asking questions. And then as you get older and
Speaker 3: start to realize that asking questions is something that we
Speaker 3: don't do enough of. And I think we kind of
Speaker 3: before we hit the record button, we were talking about
Speaker 3: a certain subject. I think this time, more than ever,
Speaker 3: people should be asking questions about everything.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, you know when I was well, I
Speaker 1: guess since we're both the same age. When we were young,
Speaker 1: I don't know how often you watched That school House Rock.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm just a bill. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny because the one that the one that
Speaker 1: I like the most and I still sing it today,
Speaker 1: just just like a couple seconds of it. Is that
Speaker 1: that one that where it's the ice skater and it's
Speaker 1: two times four is the number eight and the number
Speaker 1: eight is two times four.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because looking back, there's there's an episode
Speaker 1: of That school House Rock where it's a shows a
Speaker 1: globe and then all the different races of the world.
Speaker 1: But it's actually showing people standing on the globe and
Speaker 1: summer right side, but some are upside down. And I
Speaker 1: remember looking at that when I was in grade school, going,
Speaker 1: so if we if I'm up here, because it always
Speaker 1: showed America up and I was like, you know, if
Speaker 1: I'm up here and I stand on my head, they
Speaker 1: say that because of gravity, all the blood will rush
Speaker 1: to my head. But the people on the bottom, let's
Speaker 1: say Australia or South America. But if they do the
Speaker 1: same thing, which they're already technically upside down, if they
Speaker 1: do the same thing, gravity will cause the blood to
Speaker 1: rush to their head. And I remember when I was
Speaker 1: in grade school thinking, well, how is that even possible?
Speaker 1: You know, if gravity is just the force of pulling
Speaker 1: something down, then that you know, And then I started
Speaker 1: thinking about it just a few weeks ago. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: then gravity is a whole lot more magnificent than what
Speaker 1: than just pulling something down. It's actually pulling something to
Speaker 1: the quote unquote global core because but then it's also
Speaker 1: magical because it actually knows if you're standing on your
Speaker 1: feet or if you're standing on your hands, because if
Speaker 1: we're standing on our feet, gravity doesn't cause the blood
Speaker 1: to rush to our feet, but as soon as we
Speaker 1: turn over, it rushes to our head.
Speaker 3: That is a great observation that I don't think anybody
Speaker 3: has ever made before on the show. If it's logical
Speaker 3: one way, it should be logical the other way.
Speaker 1: Correct. Yes, yes, And that's one of those things that
Speaker 1: I've you know, it's almost like an apologetics thing. You know,
Speaker 1: if one rule applies this way, then it also has
Speaker 1: to apply the other way, because exactly. And just to
Speaker 1: share a conversation I had with the guy because he
Speaker 1: wasn't a believer, and I had asked him, uh, and
Speaker 1: I say believer. I don't know if I said that
Speaker 1: at the well, yeah, I guess I did say that
Speaker 1: I was a Christian at the beginning. But he, uh,
Speaker 1: this guy was he he didn't believe. And and so
Speaker 1: some people were around him and and was asking him
Speaker 1: why he didn't believe, and he said something about, you know, well,
Speaker 1: the Bible's too old, it's written by people that we
Speaker 1: didn't know. And I just you know, and I wasn't
Speaker 1: there to see it, and this and that, and and
Speaker 1: I ended up sitting down by him, and I said, uh.
Speaker 1: I looked at him. I said, is that literally how
Speaker 1: you believe? And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: there's no way that I can literally verify all the
Speaker 1: stuff that is written in the Bible because it's just
Speaker 1: so old and the supposed authors just there's no way
Speaker 1: that I can verify what they say they saw. And
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I looked around like I
Speaker 1: was suspicious, and I leaned over and I go, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that, and he goes really really and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I said, because I never thought
Speaker 1: George Washington was the first president. And he just looked
Speaker 1: at me and he goes, oh, well, George Washington was
Speaker 1: the first president. And I was like, I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: because the only way that we have proof of that
Speaker 1: is a book that is just so old that I
Speaker 1: can't verify the authors of it, and I don't know
Speaker 1: the authors of it. And other than that, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just happened so supposedly so long ago.
Speaker 1: There's no way that I can verify it. So because
Speaker 1: of what you said, it validates the fact that there's
Speaker 1: no proof that George Washington was the first president. And
Speaker 1: he like was like, what are you talking about? And
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, dude, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: I'm on your side. I'm on your side because if
Speaker 1: one rule applies one way, it has to apply the other.
Speaker 1: And if we can use that rule to apply to
Speaker 1: an old book like the Bible, we can use it
Speaker 1: to apply to an old book like a history book.
Speaker 1: And he just looked at me and he was just speechless.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, dude, that's how it is.
Speaker 1: And I said, but I appreciate you because now I'm
Speaker 1: going to go tell my family that George Washington wasn't
Speaker 1: the first president. He's like, wait, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Maybe maybe we need to rethink this.
Speaker 1: Then that's exactly what we need to do, is rethink this.
Speaker 3: So that's really well done. And that is the sort
Speaker 3: of way that you really need to communicate with people. Again,
Speaker 3: if you just try to force information, force feed people,
Speaker 3: they're going to shine you really quick. They're going to
Speaker 3: back off. But if you take their logic and then
Speaker 3: they use it like you did as far as history
Speaker 3: and the founding fathers, it will at a minimum make
Speaker 3: them rethink their original theory, right, and that well, I
Speaker 3: can't believe in God because that book is too old.
Speaker 3: But you believe in you know, all the other historical
Speaker 3: tales from man's side, but not God's side. So maybe
Speaker 3: you gave him something to chew on, and maybe he
Speaker 3: had hard time sleeping that night with that running through
Speaker 3: his head.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think before he pass away he actually Now
Speaker 1: he wouldn't not my understanding, he wouldn't profess God or Jesus,
Speaker 1: but he would proclaim a creator. So I literally think
Speaker 1: he was heading down the right direction. Now, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I lost touch with him for a while, so before
Speaker 1: he passed away, I don't know where he was at,
Speaker 1: but you.
Speaker 3: Can only pray. Yeah, hopefully he did by the way
Speaker 3: you jarred some memories. I'm actually working on a podcast
Speaker 3: for the Fact Hunter about how children's television and its
Speaker 3: programming has a very nefarious meaning to it, and Schoolhouse
Speaker 3: Rock had more than that one you were mentioning that
Speaker 3: had something called Inner Planet Janet, which was from nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy eight. And if you do just a little bit
Speaker 3: of research about the people behind this, once again it
Speaker 3: comes off as educational, but there is a deeper meaning
Speaker 3: and possibly something a little more nefarious to it than
Speaker 3: just education. Now, not every single one, right, I'm just
Speaker 3: a bill and all these other things, but the they
Speaker 3: did touch on space and those type of things in
Speaker 3: the globe more than once, for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I remember one, and I only remember
Speaker 1: just a few of them, like the conjunction Junction. I
Speaker 1: like that one too. Yeah, but there was one where
Speaker 1: it was like a lady. It was like a female
Speaker 1: rocket going into space. But I can't remember what that
Speaker 1: was about. And yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Called InterPlaNet Janet. No, I'll have it in the show notes. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's from nineteen seventy eight, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, we are old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nineteen eighty four was forty years ago. And that's like, man,
Speaker 3: that's crazy. The freshman in high school in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3: I'd like to ask you your journey to the truth. Obviously,
Speaker 3: Christ has been a part of your life for a
Speaker 3: long time, but when I know you kind of mentioned
Speaker 3: to it, but was there a particular event that started
Speaker 3: you to lead to a road where you started to
Speaker 3: begin to understand that maybe this world really living in
Speaker 3: is falsely created and not everything is as it seems.
Speaker 1: Well, believe it or not. The most recent is was
Speaker 1: the Chris Jericho podcast Talk is Jericho Now? The questioning
Speaker 1: happened a long time ago. I know. The first email
Speaker 1: that I wrote you was, you know that big purple
Speaker 1: arm gas that every once in a great while that
Speaker 1: appears in the sky. And of course now you can
Speaker 1: google and you can find all the pictures of it.
Speaker 1: And I remember when I was a kid, you know,
Speaker 1: probably before seventy eight, asking what that was, and I
Speaker 1: was told by the adults, I'm assuming a teacher maybe
Speaker 1: that uh, that was the arm of the Milky Way Galaxy.
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking then, well, the the satellite that
Speaker 1: they said that they had sent out, which was way
Speaker 1: before the the the Moon landing. I remember thinking, well,
Speaker 1: it it hasn't even made it past any of the planets, so,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I found an encyclopedia that had
Speaker 1: a picture of what they say the Milky Way Galaxy
Speaker 1: look like. I'm like, but none of them, there's no, no,
Speaker 1: there's nothing from Earth that has actually made it that
Speaker 1: far out to see the spiral arms formation. And I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, well, how do they even know if nothing
Speaker 1: is out there to take a picture, and you know,
Speaker 1: so I started questioning them. But fast forward to uh,
Speaker 1: it was pre COVID, and I was because I'm a
Speaker 1: I'm a pro wrestling fan. The down the downside is, uh,
Speaker 1: right now, I have no way to watch wrestling, and
Speaker 1: I have to admit and it's a fleshy side of me.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Uh it bothers me that I don't have
Speaker 1: a way to watch it. But anyway, so, uh, I
Speaker 1: was listening to the Chris Jericho podcast and and he
Speaker 1: would have interviews on their wrestlers and stuff and and
Speaker 1: uh and then all of a sudden he had David
Speaker 1: Weiss and uh, and I was like, I don't even
Speaker 1: know who that guy is. And and so then I
Speaker 1: started listening to him and he started bringing up all
Speaker 1: these things that you know, kind of made sense and
Speaker 1: and then uh uh and I listened to I actually
Speaker 1: think I went back and listened to it a couple
Speaker 1: of times and I was like, I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: So that kind of rekindled the whole question everything. And
Speaker 1: the unique thing is, is is it where I used
Speaker 1: to work? I would Uh, I was walking through the
Speaker 1: truck shop one time where the mechanics were and and uh,
Speaker 1: and you know, and I would just walk through, not
Speaker 1: to really stop and talk or anything, which I did
Speaker 1: quite often anyway, but I would walk through to say
Speaker 1: distance of having to walk around. And Uh. There's this
Speaker 1: one guy that came up and he was always hitting
Speaker 1: me up about stuff and and and he goes. He
Speaker 1: looked at me, like the day after I listened to
Speaker 1: that podcast and he was he goes, so, what's going on?
Speaker 1: What's new and Darren's life? And I looked at him
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I'm pondering if we actually live
Speaker 1: on a spinning globe or if we're on a flat earth.
Speaker 1: And he started laughing and he sat there and he
Speaker 1: was like, He's like, why would we be on a
Speaker 1: flat earth? And I was like, I don't know. Do
Speaker 1: you see any curves around and he just he was like, well,
Speaker 1: well know, because there's hills around here, there's no way.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, but if we got high enough,
Speaker 1: do you think we'd see curves? And he was like
Speaker 1: he was like, well, well, well wouldn't we. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, I really don't know. I said, uh,
Speaker 1: but things add up to where I said, if we
Speaker 1: stood on the hill and we looked, you know, towards
Speaker 1: the horizon. Should we even be able to see what
Speaker 1: we see? I said, because of the curve of the earth,
Speaker 1: it should actually be going down. And because where we are,
Speaker 1: where we live is like there's mountains everywhere, and uh,
Speaker 1: and the more I thought about it, the mountains shouldn't
Speaker 1: even be straight up and down. They should be literally
Speaker 1: leaning one way or another. Because of the curve, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to see the top. You know, it's like,
Speaker 1: let's say a ninety degree angle, it would be more
Speaker 1: of a leaning. I don't know the degree, but it
Speaker 1: would be leaning like forty five degrees the other way
Speaker 1: if it was on the curve. And so every day
Speaker 1: I would walk through there and he would he would
Speaker 1: look at me and go, dude, you got you got
Speaker 1: me thinking? You got me thinking. And I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: man's that's what friends do is I need you to
Speaker 1: think and you need to make me think. And so
Speaker 1: it was just one thing after another. But it all
Speaker 1: started with that podcast.
Speaker 3: And I remember that podcast and hearing it for the
Speaker 3: first time. Actually, Dave, I think Dave's been on there
Speaker 3: two or three times, but the original one was I
Speaker 3: think four or five years ago for the first time.
Speaker 3: And I think it's cool too because I grew up
Speaker 3: my family was wrestling fans. My dad used to take
Speaker 3: me to the Spectrum in Philadelphia and we'd see Hawk
Speaker 3: Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior and that era as well,
Speaker 3: So you know, I knew who Chris Jericho was caught
Speaker 3: onto his podcast and then I had already at that
Speaker 3: point I had personally talked to Dave. I talked to
Speaker 3: him I think five years ago in my other podcast
Speaker 3: for the first time, and he is really blessed with
Speaker 3: being able to answer every question. He's someone who is
Speaker 3: driven on one particular subject that is extremely knowledgeable. And
Speaker 3: for those who don't know now, he's actually doing these
Speaker 3: Zoom meetings with junior high and high school classes now,
Speaker 3: so he is actually at the forefront for waking people up.
Speaker 3: And I've kind of I haven't. I'm so busy with
Speaker 3: everything else. I haven't been keeping up with this podcast.
Speaker 3: But he's at least like your friend, he's to the
Speaker 3: point where going from I guess atheists who at least
Speaker 3: he acknowledges the creator as well, which you know once
Speaker 3: you come to the fact that yep, that you know
Speaker 3: we don't live on a globe, and you know, you
Speaker 3: know the firmament and everything else, you realize that there
Speaker 3: has to be a creator. And you know, through all
Speaker 3: the emails, this has made a very big impact on
Speaker 3: people's lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm I'm impressed by the way that
Speaker 1: there's been lots of people that were atheists before that
Speaker 1: when they when they noticed the level plane that that
Speaker 1: they got them to start trying to figure out, okay,
Speaker 1: so what caused this, and then they they see the
Speaker 1: causation and then they see the the cause maker, which
Speaker 1: would be the which would be God. I know, now,
Speaker 1: if if I could just speak it up, because I
Speaker 1: know that there are some people that uh and just
Speaker 1: a few that have been on the podcast that they're
Speaker 1: consumed with flat earth and uh and to me, it's
Speaker 1: the and not that it in a hole is is bad.
Speaker 1: But if you're consumed with it, then then the the
Speaker 1: the flat earth model could be be an idol and
Speaker 1: we need to I get the whole we need to
Speaker 1: get all the facts about it. But then but if
Speaker 1: you start idolizing it, then you you're losing the part
Speaker 1: where Jesus is the main part of your life. And
Speaker 1: I mean, and I just had to throw that out
Speaker 1: there because and I forget, just a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I was listening to one of the episodes and there
Speaker 1: was a person they were just boom boom, boom boom,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I'm like, you know, the Bible
Speaker 1: warns us about having idols, and uh and you know,
Speaker 1: like there, I've met people that their kids are their idols.
Speaker 1: They will do anything and everything for their kids. And
Speaker 1: there's grandparents that will do anything and everything for their grandkids.
Speaker 1: Well there, it turns their the kids and the grandkids
Speaker 1: into idols. And you know, and with that you as
Speaker 1: important as I feel that finding the truth. You know,
Speaker 1: if you spend every waking moment to prove the flat earth,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it becomes your idol and
Speaker 1: you start slipping away, you know, from from the importance
Speaker 1: of Jesus being who we need to serve. If that
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Moderation is the key to everything
Speaker 3: it is, you know, in the realm of conspiracies. You know,
Speaker 3: I tell people, you know, whether it's nine to eleven,
Speaker 3: this and that. But I do think this is one
Speaker 3: of the great deceptions of man. I put it up there.
Speaker 3: You know, I call it the Big three, you know, evolution,
Speaker 3: the Big Bang, and heliocentrism. And you know, I have
Speaker 3: the book two hundred Bible verses, which some borderline, but
Speaker 3: the Bible does lend to the fact that we do
Speaker 3: live on a flat plane. We have hills, we have
Speaker 3: you know, oceans that are eight thousand feet deep, et cetera.
Speaker 3: But scientism as the word I guess that the Truth
Speaker 3: community has chosen is dangerous as well. But you're one
Speaker 3: hundred percent correct. All those things fall under Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: Jesus has to be number one then everything else, and
Speaker 3: it's important in the message. And i'd like to think
Speaker 3: that most of our episodes, most people come on are uh,
Speaker 3: followers of Christ for the most part, which is great.
Speaker 3: And that is something that you know, as we have
Speaker 3: these discussions. That is also you know, Satan's biggest conspiracy
Speaker 3: is making people think that God doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the distortion of the truth. Uh, we're we're
Speaker 1: we're told that he's the father of lies. You know,
Speaker 1: the best if you if you you can look at
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, your your other podcast, which I
Speaker 1: have to apologize, I don't listen to quite often.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no worries.
Speaker 1: But I have listened to a couple of them, and
Speaker 1: and it lets you know which you know, the the
Speaker 1: a couple that I've listened to. You don't come out
Speaker 1: and say but just by description alone. The way they're
Speaker 1: able to achieve things is, uh, in their deception, is
Speaker 1: by making their deception looks so truthful. And that's exactly
Speaker 1: what That's what are the enemy does is that's what
Speaker 1: he did with Eve was are you sure you will die?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Are you sure that you're not supposed to have any
Speaker 1: of that? Yep? And she made he made her believe
Speaker 1: that that's well, well maybe you know, because then she
Speaker 1: misquotes the rules because she she said, well, we're not
Speaker 1: even supposed to touch it. Well, it doesn't say that,
Speaker 1: you know, you're just not supposed to consume it. And
Speaker 1: uh And as soon as soon as that little bit
Speaker 1: of doubt gets there, or uh another way to believe,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, then the enemy has has
Speaker 1: got that little bit of thorn right there, ready to
Speaker 1: start growing a briar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point. And you know, while the
Speaker 3: Bible doesn't really specify what fruit evate you know, it's
Speaker 3: commonly depicted, at least here in the West, as an apple.
Speaker 3: But with that being said, you know, I kind of
Speaker 3: wanted to get to the other thing. What would you
Speaker 3: correlate you know, the apple to eve as the vaccine
Speaker 3: to you know, Satan's weapon of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Oh, massive deception. Yeah, yeah, because it the word lets
Speaker 1: us know that Jesus came to divide, and the division
Speaker 1: that he came was the righteous and the unrighteous, the
Speaker 1: sinful and the basically the the unforgiven and the forgiven,
Speaker 1: the people that want to live in sin and the
Speaker 1: people that don't want to live in sin, you know,
Speaker 1: and the best, like I said, the best way to
Speaker 1: propose the lies to make it seem like the truth,
Speaker 1: so you know, and with that that's that's what the
Speaker 1: devil did with the the the COVID and the vaccine
Speaker 1: is is he made it seem like, well, here's the answer,
Speaker 1: and in fact it was it was pushed so much
Speaker 1: that it was u this is going to be the
Speaker 1: answer for everything, and so much that you're going to
Speaker 1: find out the people that you shouldn't like, which you know,
Speaker 1: as far as medicine go, that you know, I don't
Speaker 1: remember any time in the past before COVID where if
Speaker 1: somebody said, well I'm gonna wait to vaccinate, where the
Speaker 1: world would just blow up or your neighbor would just
Speaker 1: have a hissy fit, you know, usually be like, well
Speaker 1: come on, you you know better, you know. And but now,
Speaker 1: like like with me, the when when it hit, I remember,
Speaker 1: I was in the break room where I used to work.
Speaker 1: I worked for a huge company for twenty six years.
Speaker 1: And uh and I remember when COVID hit, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I remember telling people, well, we need we
Speaker 1: probably need to watch this because if it goes any further,
Speaker 1: something's going to happen. And so fast forward of course,
Speaker 1: you know, it gets this global thing going. And and
Speaker 1: then but when the vaccination hit, I remember, well I
Speaker 1: was off the fast, you know, and like like we
Speaker 1: were chatting before that, you pushed record. You said something
Speaker 1: about how in the army, you know, you got these
Speaker 1: moments where you get severely vaccinated before you go on deployment.
Speaker 1: And uh and I remember in my life I had
Speaker 1: I had joined the army. Unfortunately I ran too slow,
Speaker 1: so I didn't make it out of basic training. I
Speaker 1: got five extra tries and I just I could never
Speaker 1: run fast enough. I was able well when I got there,
Speaker 1: I couldn't even do the push ups or the sit
Speaker 1: ups enough. But I got to where I passed them.
Speaker 1: But I just couldn't run fast enough. But I went
Speaker 1: through everything until the very last days. And there was
Speaker 1: a time where they let us know, hey, you're going
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. And back then I was still, you know,
Speaker 1: very much pro medicine, you know, I was. I think
Speaker 1: I was eighteen nineteen. I didn't as far as that goes,
Speaker 1: you know, didn't know any better. And but I remember
Speaker 1: in one day I got I think I got twelve,
Speaker 1: twelve shots.
Speaker 3: Did they give you the air guns?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We had, Yeah, there were we had to we
Speaker 1: had to hold our sleeves up on the left and right,
Speaker 1: and then there were there were three air guns on
Speaker 1: each side. So that was six. I think we got
Speaker 1: a total of thirteen, which is a weird number, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah? That is uh huh. Where did you go to
Speaker 3: Basic Training?
Speaker 1: Fort leonard Wood, Missouri?
Speaker 3: That's where I I was there July to September nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty seven.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, No, I was. I was in there October
Speaker 1: and November.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was in a I T at that point,
Speaker 3: but I was still at Fort Leanderdwood during that time.
Speaker 3: I think I was echo to ten.
Speaker 1: I was in the I was Bravo company.
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, we we have cross paths. I made us.
Speaker 3: Saw you at the chow hal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I probably uh, I probably saw you,
Speaker 1: you know, because they're you know how they always have
Speaker 1: to have that person by the door yep, yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: wow small world. Yeah it's awesome. But yeah, so, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't like needles. It's weird. I don't like needles.
Speaker 1: But I wanted I wanted to be in the army
Speaker 1: enough that I manned up to get the vaccinations. And
Speaker 1: but anyway, so fast forward, all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: got this rush vaccination out and uh and so then
Speaker 1: it starts clicking down because I had until November November first,
Speaker 1: I think of twenty one to get fully vaccinated or
Speaker 1: face the consequences. I'll just put it that way. And
Speaker 1: so I get you know, it's goot times clicking And
Speaker 1: if I could just share the rest of my story
Speaker 1: about it and they I actually have Like there there
Speaker 1: was a couple of guys that were like standing their
Speaker 1: ground too. Man this is this is garbage. You know,
Speaker 1: We're not going to put up with this. And they
Speaker 1: don't have any legal rights. And there was there were
Speaker 1: some people in management that were saying the same thing
Speaker 1: and just oh my goodness. And now now we're like, October,
Speaker 1: I got, I got thirty one days to get fully vaccinated.
Speaker 1: And I remember I would actually have people that claim
Speaker 1: to be friends walk up to me and just plead
Speaker 1: with me, man, you got you got to get the shots.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like why, and they're like, dude,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to die. And I'm like, did
Speaker 1: you just tell me that I would die if I
Speaker 1: don't get the shots? And they're like, man, it's so important.
Speaker 1: You got you, you know. And and one guy he
Speaker 1: used to work I think in the old rigs and
Speaker 1: he started working where I work and he uh, and
Speaker 1: he's like, man, I didn't sign up for this. I
Speaker 1: didn't give up that really good job just to come
Speaker 1: here to be by family, to have to put up
Speaker 1: with this bully mentality of have forced me to do
Speaker 1: medical And I was like, I'm with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I've been here twenty six and I didn't sign up
Speaker 1: for this twenty six years ago. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, I've already got calls back and and I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: As soon as the first phone call, I'm gone. And
Speaker 1: this was like the last day of our work week.
Speaker 1: So fast forward the next week at the beginning and uh,
Speaker 1: and he's walking in and he's you could tell he
Speaker 1: sounds under the weather. And I looked at I said, dude,
Speaker 1: you you're getting sick. And he goes he goes, well, it's
Speaker 1: from that shot. And I was like, what shot. He goes, well,
Speaker 1: I went and got vaccinated. I was like, three days ago,
Speaker 1: you were like against it, just solidly. You were ready
Speaker 1: to go back to the oil fields. And he was like,
Speaker 1: he's like yeah, but and he and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you could see something changed in him. And I
Speaker 1: noticed that with everybody else that had had recently taken
Speaker 1: the shot, they went from like one personality to another personality.
Speaker 3: And would you say that it made him more docile?
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, because this I mean, well, I mean
Speaker 1: stereotype of what you know, what all well workers look
Speaker 1: act like. This guy was kind of a rough person,
Speaker 1: you know, and and he wouldn't take any garbage off anybody.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden he was like, he's
Speaker 1: a daring you know, it just makes you so it
Speaker 1: makes you sick for a little bit and then your
Speaker 1: arms sore. Man, I'd sure hate to lose you. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, who are you? You know, it went from
Speaker 1: you know, like forget this and just really aggressive. I'm
Speaker 1: taking a stand and you know they ain't the boss
Speaker 1: of me too, buddy, come on, and I'm like that.
Speaker 1: It just floored me, you know, And but it uh
Speaker 1: with that, you know, it just there was one guy
Speaker 1: and this this is where you know, you could kind
Speaker 1: of see a little bit of deception and a bothered
Speaker 1: me was he was also taking a stand the whole time.
Speaker 1: For months and months and months, he was taking a
Speaker 1: stand against it. You know, they can't make you, they
Speaker 1: can't force you. It's not right. And then right when
Speaker 1: it came down to where they were like, dude, you
Speaker 1: got two weeks, he literally looked at me and said,
Speaker 1: oh I got vaccinated back in March. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's all this garbage you were talking about about how
Speaker 1: they can't force it on you. Well, I agree with
Speaker 1: that they can't, and we need to take a stand.
Speaker 1: Well you need to and I'm like, but the whole
Speaker 1: time you've been vaccinated, and you're saying, you go, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And I was like, man, that kind of hypocritical.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And but with that, you know, I had had interactions
Speaker 1: with the corporate people for the company and it just
Speaker 1: you know, they they let me know my options was
Speaker 1: was I could I could quit. I could because I
Speaker 1: applied for religious exemption and I you know, I found
Speaker 1: some documents online that I printed off that just had
Speaker 1: everything spelled out on how you cannot go against my
Speaker 1: religious belief and I was so thankful for that and
Speaker 1: I turned it all in and so I was given
Speaker 1: my choices. If I could quit, or I could show
Speaker 1: up the next work day after the deadline, and if
Speaker 1: I still wasn't bullye vaccinated, they would ask me to
Speaker 1: lead the premises I'd be escorted. Or I could take
Speaker 1: a leave of absence. And I know every company's leave
Speaker 1: of absence policy is a little bit different, but with
Speaker 1: this a leave of absence, I wouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 1: work anywhere. I mean, I've been there twenty six years.
Speaker 1: I was in a lead position the last five and
Speaker 1: I just I knew how things work. Because I'd seen
Speaker 1: enough people on a leave of absence due to like
Speaker 1: a broken leg, or they'd be in a car wreck,
Speaker 1: you know, and and just or even just family problems.
Speaker 1: And one person in particular, they found out that he
Speaker 1: during the leave of absence, he'd got another job somewhere else,
Speaker 1: and they they they literally called him up and they said,
Speaker 1: this violates the loa. So you know, I hope you're
Speaker 1: established there because you can no longer come back. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, unfortunately, I have to agree with that because
Speaker 1: you agreed to the rules right l away. So then
Speaker 1: they come to me and they're like, so, are you're
Speaker 1: going to take the loa? And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: the problem is is if I take the loa, then
Speaker 1: you're literally you're going to make me lose my cars,
Speaker 1: You're going to make me lose my house. You're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be homeless. And they're like, no, you won't,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, yeah, I said, because by LA
Speaker 1: I cannot work anywhere else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're not tell you during the leave of absence,
Speaker 3: or if they do, it'll be a fraction of your
Speaker 3: normal income. Correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, they that the company I worked for wouldn't
Speaker 1: pay us.
Speaker 3: There you go. So they are holding your bank account
Speaker 3: hostage if you take a leave of absence.
Speaker 1: Yep. And then and literally the last week that I had,
Speaker 1: they all of a sudden they changed it to what
Speaker 1: they called la plus. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what that is. That wasn't an option before.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, that's what it is. And and
Speaker 1: so la plus was I could work, just not for
Speaker 1: a competitive wage, and and they didn't have a way
Speaker 1: to trace me anyway, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: And I was like, well, why all of a sudden
Speaker 6: the last week are you going to tell me that
Speaker 6: so and so my trust was.
Speaker 1: Already gone with the company. So I what I did
Speaker 1: was I ended up working for a friend and he
Speaker 1: helped me out a little bit. And then to show
Speaker 1: you how God helped me through it all, was I
Speaker 1: got to a position where I couldn't work for my
Speaker 1: friend anymore. And I literally reached out to two of
Speaker 1: the elders in our church and my son, my oldest son,
Speaker 1: and said, hey, it doesn't look like and work and
Speaker 1: work for this guy. I need I need help, I
Speaker 1: need I need God to find me a job. I
Speaker 1: just don't know what's going to happen. And so and
Speaker 1: I literally thought that it would be in the same
Speaker 1: field that I had been working for, you know, thirty years,
Speaker 1: twenty six at one play the last place. And and
Speaker 1: so my son reaches out to him and he goes, hey,
Speaker 1: have you thought about asking so and so? And I
Speaker 1: was like, so and so is a carpenter. And trust me,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to pay me to build anything I am not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fabricator. I'm a I'm not a carpenter.
Speaker 1: I'm not a mechanic. Trust me, no, no, no, he
Speaker 1: does something different and I was like really, so uh
Speaker 1: fast forward. I get a desk job and working, you know,
Speaker 1: doing and everything is over the computer and I'm like, which,
Speaker 1: I'm not a computer person either. And so literally there
Speaker 1: were times where I was in behind my desk just
Speaker 1: you know, praying, crying literally, Lord, why am I here?
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I'm doing? And uh. And
Speaker 1: then I come home and I told my wife about
Speaker 1: my emotional breakdown and and she looked at me and
Speaker 1: she goes, what it's because God answered my prayer? And
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you talking about? She was
Speaker 1: for thirty years you worked at the in that same
Speaker 1: type of plant, and you you were always outside if
Speaker 1: it was if it was thunderstorming, you had to work
Speaker 1: outside in the thunderstorm. If it was if it was snowfall,
Speaker 1: if it was sleeping, if it was hailing. Your job
Speaker 1: was always out there in the weather, she said. And
Speaker 1: after thirty years and then you finally get you know,
Speaker 1: treated the way you were treated, no loyalty, no respect.
Speaker 1: And she said, I just my prayer was, Lord, he
Speaker 1: spent thirty years out in the weather, can you just
Speaker 1: put him somewhere it's climate controlled. And so I'm behind
Speaker 1: a desk. I don't have to walk in the rain
Speaker 1: except from my car to the front door. If it's
Speaker 1: too hot, I turned the ac up. If it's too cold,
Speaker 1: I turned the heater up, you know, and it it
Speaker 1: was such a blessing because you know, the alternative was
Speaker 1: to get the shot, and you know, and the literally
Speaker 1: because of all that has that's what kind of fired
Speaker 1: it up, you know. After listening to that Chris Jericho podcast,
Speaker 1: was I was sick and most of my life, I
Speaker 1: would I was suffered from chronic bronchidas. So I knew
Speaker 1: what was coming, and uh, and I didn't trust doctors.
Speaker 1: I still don't trust doctors. And and I remember getting
Speaker 1: sick and I looked at my wife. I said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to call in issues. You know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. And I was like, yep, they're gonna want
Speaker 1: me to test and blah blah blah. And I said,
Speaker 1: but first I got to see if I can get
Speaker 1: some medicine. I got to get over this. And and
Speaker 1: there was there's an app. It's called Doctor on Demand.
Speaker 1: It's one of the video medical things. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've heard of it or not.
Speaker 3: We actually do one for our pets. Obviously it's the
Speaker 3: same thing different, but yeah, I'm very familiar with what
Speaker 3: you're talking about yet.
Speaker 1: So I a couple of times before this go around,
Speaker 1: I had used it and they were like, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: bronch iis, you know, and we'll give you some antibiotics
Speaker 1: and or actually I think it was like it could
Speaker 1: be bronchitis, but it sounds like some sort of virus.
Speaker 1: That's the key, right there, some sort of virus. We're
Speaker 1: going to give you some antibiotics. So then now we're
Speaker 1: into COVID and we're uh we get to I do
Speaker 1: a doctor on demand call and uh and this lady's
Speaker 1: like the doctor's like, oh, you sound like you're sick.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I am, I'm very sick, and
Speaker 1: just I'm miserable, and and so she was, will tell
Speaker 1: me everything. So I poured out, you know, the congestion,
Speaker 1: the coughing, just the sore throat and just man and
Speaker 1: she and just instantly she was you got COVID. I
Speaker 1: was like, you can tell that by a video call.
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, yeah, yeah, you got COVID. And
Speaker 1: I was like so we we almost argued for like
Speaker 1: ten minutes, and then finally I was like, listen, let's stop,
Speaker 1: let's stop this. What are we going to do to
Speaker 1: help me? Because I feel miserable? And she goes, well,
Speaker 1: if you think I'm going to give you antabiotics, then
Speaker 1: you you're thinking the wrong thing because you have a virus.
Speaker 1: COVID is a virus, and I cannot give you antabotics
Speaker 1: for a virus because that be medical malpractice.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, she probably wanted to get you packed slovad
Speaker 3: or something, right.
Speaker 1: Well, no, actually all she gave me was cough medicine.
Speaker 1: So literally when I when I ended that, I looked
Speaker 1: at the other two medical records from the other two
Speaker 1: doctors I saw, and both of them were they were viruses,
Speaker 1: and both doctors gave me antibiotics. And I was like, so,
Speaker 1: which is wrong the first two doctors. Did they literally
Speaker 1: commit medical malpractice by giving me anibal virus? Or did
Speaker 1: she commit medical malpractice by not giving me antabotics to
Speaker 1: treat whatever it was that was wrong with me? And
Speaker 1: then afterwards, you know, like you had shared before on
Speaker 1: several podcasts where you know certain things, go to Google
Speaker 1: first and see what Google has to say about it.
Speaker 1: So I got on Google and I said, what's the
Speaker 1: number one treatment for COVID nineteen antibiotics? And I was like,
Speaker 1: Google says that she should have gave me antibotics if
Speaker 1: it was COVID nineteen, And she said, it's medical malpractice.
Speaker 1: So fast forward, you know, because of that diagnosis, I
Speaker 1: tell my HR lady and she goes, well, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to get tested. Oh boy. So I had that
Speaker 1: seven foot long Q tip shoved up my notes. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, and uh and it tested positive, which is
Speaker 1: weird because before before that and this is key, I
Speaker 1: think is, I said, uh, I looked at I. I
Speaker 1: looked at the lady that was doing the test, and
Speaker 1: I said, I have a question. She goes, what's that?
Speaker 1: I said, so on the news they had this gigantic
Speaker 1: nationwide recall of the PCR tests that were defective because
Speaker 1: they were giving eighty percent false positives. And she goes, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: that's correct. I remember that. And I said, uh, the
Speaker 1: PCR test that you have are those those tests or
Speaker 1: the replacements? And she goes, no, they're the ones that
Speaker 1: are recalled. And I was like, so, why am I
Speaker 1: going to take a test of something that we know
Speaker 1: can be eighty percent incorrect? And she goes, because it's
Speaker 1: all we have. And I was like, does that even
Speaker 1: make sense? You know, that'd be like going into a
Speaker 1: store and you know, and eighty percent of the food
Speaker 1: is rotten, but we're going to eat the food anyway,
Speaker 1: because it's food we wouldn't do. And she said, she goes,
Speaker 1: she goes, whats all we have? And so I went
Speaker 1: ahead and swabbed and I tested positive. And the HR
Speaker 1: lady said, well, you got to miswork for two weeks now.
Speaker 1: Granted I got paid for it, but but that two
Speaker 1: weeks it was me and my bedroom and my laptop.
Speaker 1: And in that two weeks is when I I think
Speaker 1: I revisited that Chris Jericho podcast. I started looking at
Speaker 1: David Weis's videos. I started, and with that, I think,
Speaker 1: is when I stumbled across, because I think on Spotify
Speaker 1: it gives you suggestions. So there I am looking at
Speaker 1: a pro wrestling podcast, and then the suggestion, the number
Speaker 1: one suggestion was flat Earth Files, and I was like,
Speaker 1: how does flat Earth files have anything to do with
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho. I mean, and I understand the topic was
Speaker 1: flat Earth because of David Weiss, but I'm like, because
Speaker 1: literally it was like that was the number one choice.
Speaker 1: And then after that it was all these other pro
Speaker 1: wrestling podcasts, and I was like, that doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 1: so we're going to look into this. And but with that,
Speaker 1: I started looking into their things, like so here we
Speaker 1: are twenty twenty one. COVID has taken over the world,
Speaker 1: and at no other time in history has every other
Speaker 1: government agency decided to agree to do the mirror exact
Speaker 1: same protocol globally, if you can use that term, right
Speaker 1: and then and then, but the vaccines and this is
Speaker 1: what killed me? Was the vaccines for it was made
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: Right, how did they know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm like, but then I told my wife. I
Speaker 1: was like, does that even make sense? And She's like no, No.
Speaker 1: I was like, it was almost like they made the
Speaker 1: vaccine and then now they had to have a disease
Speaker 1: that it would help with.
Speaker 3: And I wanted to revisit something real quick. Did you
Speaker 3: say it was actually the person who gave you the
Speaker 3: COVID nineteen test? Was your HR person?
Speaker 1: No, it was the Health Department?
Speaker 3: Oh oh okay, okay. I just wanted to clear that
Speaker 3: up because I have heard stories of like just random
Speaker 3: HR people were running the test, not even like doctors
Speaker 3: or anything. I've heard so many wacky stories. Our intelligence
Speaker 3: just fell off the cliff in twenty twenty. It just
Speaker 3: we just stopped questioning things, not all of us. But
Speaker 3: I still go back and revisit the audio from twenty
Speaker 3: twenty and just did that really happen? I always tell myself,
Speaker 3: did this really happen?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: And it just but with that the people that finally
Speaker 1: decided to stop fighting, it was like once they got
Speaker 1: the shot, their whole mannerisms, their whole demeanor changed, and
Speaker 1: you know, so it was almost it was weird how
Speaker 1: all that was, because that part caught me off guard.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're not even the same person. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you know anything about.
Speaker 3: That well, I mean, anytime you start messing with the
Speaker 3: very core of your body. I asked on my recent
Speaker 3: podcast for if anybody had any first hand witness to
Speaker 3: you know, my cousin, my sister, my friend got the vaccine,
Speaker 3: and I looked. I started to get some emails. I
Speaker 3: haven't had time to sit down and read them yet,
Speaker 3: but I have noticed. It's weird. It's kind of similar
Speaker 3: to what was it the anthrax vaccine where I did
Speaker 3: see a change, and obviously you can't. I don't think
Speaker 3: you can see a change in yourself. But I do
Speaker 3: see some of these vaccines as making people. I choose
Speaker 3: to use the word docile because if you look at
Speaker 3: the exact terminology of docile, it's ready to accept control
Speaker 3: or instruction of I'm sorry, ready to accept control or instruction,
Speaker 3: being submissive, and that is really what they want. They
Speaker 3: want to eradicate the middle class. You go back and
Speaker 3: listen to the great truth seekers of the sixties and seventies,
Speaker 3: and eighties, whether it be Ralph Epperson or John Coleman,
Speaker 3: William Guy Carr. Right, their whole goal is to eradicate
Speaker 3: the middle class. They want total serfdom. They want a
Speaker 3: one world currency, a one world government, and a one
Speaker 3: world religion that does not involve Jesus Christ. And you know,
Speaker 3: getting people, whether it's through COVID or a central bank
Speaker 3: digital coin, there's going to come a time and maybe
Speaker 3: even in our lifetimes, when they get us to be
Speaker 3: docile in these fifteen minute cities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something to think about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that is their endgame for sure, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't hide. It's all over our money.
Speaker 3: You know, Order through chaos is literally right right on
Speaker 3: our our dollar bill. The all Seeing I is on
Speaker 3: our dollar, Moloch, the owl is on our dollar. The
Speaker 3: perramid of power is on our money. All of these
Speaker 3: things are in plain sight. And Manly p. Hall said
Speaker 3: that once the veils fall for man's eyes only then
Speaker 3: will we be able to turn the tide on this thing.
Speaker 3: And COVID was certainly like yourself. You know, how many
Speaker 3: interviews have you heard on this podcast where people's awakening
Speaker 3: was through COVID.
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, it's It's one of those things where you
Speaker 1: said that the how did you say it? They they
Speaker 1: played their hand too early.
Speaker 3: That they overplayed their hand.
Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, by by giving some people two weeks
Speaker 1: at home, quote unquote quarantined, Well, if you give two
Speaker 1: people alone to you give people two weeks alone, and
Speaker 1: especially people like me, that's an overthinker, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch TV for a little bit, but then
Speaker 1: after a little bit, I'm gonna have to start digging
Speaker 1: into why the heck am I sitting here? What caused
Speaker 1: me to be sitting here? You know? And then and
Speaker 1: of course, you know, with other things, you know, like
Speaker 1: with with your flat earth file popping up, you know,
Speaker 1: you know earlier you said something about how people just
Speaker 1: they just get aggressive when when you hear stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and and then you know, and it's the opposite of
Speaker 1: the people that got the COVID vaccinations, you know, because uh,
Speaker 1: they were one way beforehand, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like a change in personality, you know, like with
Speaker 1: the uh I'll touch on that later, there was. But
Speaker 1: the people that get aggressive when you just bring up
Speaker 1: the the flat earth stuff, you know, because I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I don't know a lot of people
Speaker 1: that around here that are flat earthers. My family is not,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's that's one thing that I I,
Speaker 1: you know, pray about from time to time, is you
Speaker 1: know the stuff where you were talking about how marriages
Speaker 1: have dissolved because of it, and uh, I do use
Speaker 1: it because of just the type of person I am.
Speaker 1: I do use it when I'm messing with my kids.
Speaker 1: If something comes up about the world or the globe
Speaker 1: or the planet or gravity, I will just give them
Speaker 1: this look, especially my daughter, because she's got such a
Speaker 1: huge similar type of humor as me, which is very weird.
Speaker 1: But she she'll look at me and she'll be like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. I got friends coming over, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm down, calm down. I just did that to
Speaker 1: get at you. And if if, if, like with my wife,
Speaker 1: if I start going off on a tangent, she'll she'll
Speaker 1: just very quietly and politely just look at me and go,
Speaker 1: I see the curve. That's my cue that I've been
Speaker 1: on this rant for way too long. Let's get talking
Speaker 1: about roast b for mowing the grass or call the Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean I don't. Uh, you know, I've noticed
Speaker 1: on the last I forget how long you started bringing
Speaker 1: up the sixth silver bullet. And I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I don't really have any because, uh, I mean, if
Speaker 1: somebody brings up a conversation, then I have. I have
Speaker 1: things that I like to say, you know. Like the
Speaker 1: big thing that got me was one of the first
Speaker 1: documentaries I watched, I think was on Rumble. I think
Speaker 1: it's called Concave. I think that's what it's called. But uh,
Speaker 1: and they literally it's about them being too far. They
Speaker 1: did laser tests and photograph tests, and it just I
Speaker 1: was like, what in the world, you know, and they
Speaker 1: would they would tell you on that documentary, you know,
Speaker 1: if the curve was actually there, laser's only going a
Speaker 1: straight line, photography only goes in a straight line, and therefore,
Speaker 1: you know it, you shouldn't be seeing what you're seeing,
Speaker 1: and the laser shouldn't be able to be received on
Speaker 1: the other end, you know, X amount of feet away
Speaker 1: or miles away. And I'm like, wow, that was I
Speaker 1: liked it, you know, And it was weird because I
Speaker 1: stumbled across something where the guy was a flat earther
Speaker 1: and he was like, he was like, that's one of
Speaker 1: the worst documentaries ever. And I'm like, how can it be?
Speaker 1: I mean, production wise, maybe it could have been better,
Speaker 1: But if they literally run tests to prove a flat earth,
Speaker 1: how can it be one of the worst ones? You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like that what Netflix did, which I haven't watched.
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to find that thing that Netflix
Speaker 1: did with Mark Sargent and that that lady can't remember
Speaker 1: her name. But I was like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: manipulate it, then yeah, it's probably one of the worst ones.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if the whole premise of the documentary
Speaker 1: was to prove flat earth, and in the documentary you
Speaker 1: prove prove flat earth seems like a success.
Speaker 3: Was that the movie with the NASA whistleblower in it?
Speaker 1: Oh? I I want to say yes, but I cannot remember. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's been a few years since I've actually watched. I
Speaker 1: keep telling myself I'm gonna go watch it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to check that one out. I don't
Speaker 3: recall seeing that one. If you do send me the Lincoln,
Speaker 3: I'll drop it in the blog post if you ever
Speaker 3: have a chance. It's just enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't recall seeing that one. I know there's one
Speaker 3: talks about the straight lines with the cave and convex
Speaker 3: area fifty one flat Earth, all that stuff. But there
Speaker 3: was a NASSA whistleblower, I think his name was Matt
Speaker 3: Powerland or something like that, and he analyzed the image
Speaker 3: of the the Virgin galct that you know, the high
Speaker 3: altitude flights they do Richard Branson, those guys, and they
Speaker 3: did a video on that one. That's the only one
Speaker 3: I recall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's a different one off to when I
Speaker 1: get off here, I'll look on rumble and see if
Speaker 1: I can find it and then I'll email you awesome.
Speaker 3: And then of course the moon landing. Did that come
Speaker 3: before or after flat Earth? Where you started to analyze that?
Speaker 1: Well, it's weird because when I met my wife, we've
Speaker 1: been we just had our celebrated our thirty fourth anniversary congratulations,
Speaker 1: And I don't know how we got on the topic,
Speaker 1: you know, back in nineteen ninety, but I said something
Speaker 1: about it and she looked at me, issoes because she
Speaker 1: was raised by her grandparents, and she looked at me
Speaker 1: as she as you know, Mama said that we never
Speaker 1: went to the moon. And when I met when I
Speaker 1: met her her mom and dad, it was they were
Speaker 1: in their eighties and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean and she was yep, she said,
Speaker 1: Mama said we didn't go because if we would have went,
Speaker 1: then how come we haven't been back? And then that
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of struck a chord with me.
Speaker 1: I was like, so from nineteen ninety on, I was
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, you know, you know, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't until I started listening to your podcast that
Speaker 1: it kind of solidified the fact that man, you know
Speaker 1: that and that that goofy interview with the NASA director
Speaker 1: where he said basically said, yeah, we destroyed all of it,
Speaker 1: all the.
Speaker 3: We'd go back in a nano second, but we just
Speaker 3: destroyed every other technology. You know, you not only preserve,
Speaker 3: but you build upon. And you're just like, well, we're done.
Speaker 3: You know, there's some important technology we've ever had. We're
Speaker 3: just gonna take it out to the landfill. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be like, that'd be like Henry Ford saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we wouldn't build a better truck, but that you know,
Speaker 1: or I think he was also the one that came
Speaker 1: up with the assembly line, Well, we probably find a
Speaker 1: way to do production better, but we just yeah, and
Speaker 1: with that, we decided to take all the warehouses of
Speaker 1: assembly lines and just throw them. It doesn't even make
Speaker 1: sense it, you know. So it's it's it's like the
Speaker 1: deceptions right there. All we have to do is realize that,
Speaker 1: for the most part, we are being lied to.
Speaker 3: So for the people who are completely on board with yeah,
Speaker 3: we never went to the moon, what do you think
Speaker 3: their reasoning is why they did it? Like, I obviously
Speaker 3: believe they do it to solidify that we live on
Speaker 3: a ball with an endless outer space, right, And I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people miss that that's really what
Speaker 3: the deception was about. People say, well, you know, it
Speaker 3: was a race with Russia for what Yeah, right, why
Speaker 3: did we spend billions of dollars? And then I show
Speaker 3: my friends and families pictures of the Lunar Lander, that
Speaker 3: the four wheeled vehicle that's got like two lawn chairs
Speaker 3: and duct tape, and it was like, I forget how
Speaker 3: much money that thing costs. I'm like, you have to
Speaker 3: at some point stop believing everything that you were told,
Speaker 3: even though their name may have a PhD at the end,
Speaker 3: and start believing your eyes and your ears and your
Speaker 3: smell and your taste for what it is, because you know,
Speaker 3: especially if you trust in the Bible, right, the Bible
Speaker 3: tells us that the world we live in is full
Speaker 3: of deception, and put your faith in God, not man.
Speaker 3: And we just saw that this week. People got hyped
Speaker 3: up again. It's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Uh, but I'd digress from that, but you know, my
Speaker 3: point is that you have to correlate these deceptions because
Speaker 3: they all, every single deception, every single conspiracy, at the
Speaker 3: bottom of every rabbit hole is Satan.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I know the when I started looking at
Speaker 1: the lunar landing, you know, of course, my first thing
Speaker 1: was that that aluminum foil spacecraft that they had, it
Speaker 1: just it looked wonky from the beginning. But then I
Speaker 1: i which you know, like I mentioned before, I'm not
Speaker 1: a mechanic, but I got to I forget. It was
Speaker 1: like a couple of months ago, something something popped up
Speaker 1: somewhere and I was happening to see them driving again.
Speaker 1: And uh, because my whole, my whole thing about the
Speaker 1: lunar landing and landing on the Moon or going into
Speaker 1: space is literally literally how do they know, you know,
Speaker 1: Let's let's say it's all true. Let's say that they
Speaker 1: did go to the mood. Let's say there is outer space.
Speaker 1: Let's say there is a globe. How do they know
Speaker 1: once you get past the certain level of atmosphere that
Speaker 1: it is a vacuum out there? What kind of tests
Speaker 1: were they able to run? Because I don't know of
Speaker 1: any type of radiometric device that they can use to
Speaker 1: just point it up in the sky and then sit
Speaker 1: there and go, oh, yeah, see it's a vacuum, you know,
Speaker 1: because the reading says it's a vacuum. And and just
Speaker 1: from what talking to my buddies that were that are mechanics.
Speaker 1: You know, when you go up to uh whereas Pike's Peak,
Speaker 1: you know where the oxygen level is.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 1: You a lot of especially older vehicles, you have to
Speaker 1: make adjustments on the engine because of the oxygen levels.
Speaker 1: So how is it that they were able to do
Speaker 1: that with that car on the Moon before it ever
Speaker 1: left the Earth to where it would be able to
Speaker 1: drive in a less atmospheric position. And they not once
Speaker 1: did they ever show them under the hood adjusting the carburetor,
Speaker 1: because if it's it had Basically they said that they
Speaker 1: had to wear those suits because there was no oxygen,
Speaker 1: not enough to breathe. But that jeep that they had
Speaker 1: up there didn't have an oxygen tank to feed the engine.
Speaker 3: And the astronauts on the Moon, I mean, what did
Speaker 3: they walk for twenty hours?
Speaker 1: They had the time of their lives that looked like
Speaker 1: they were jumping and floating. And that's the other thing
Speaker 1: is how did they know how much gravity that the
Speaker 1: Moon had just by pointing something at it? You know,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how we can run a test
Speaker 1: here and say that, well, the gravity on the Moon
Speaker 1: is half you know what I mean? Yep, absolutely all
Speaker 1: kinds of questions, you know, because if gravity and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I can't remember the exact poundage, but let's
Speaker 1: say gravity, let's say it has one hundred pounds per
Speaker 1: square inch pull. Well, how how does the gravity on
Speaker 1: the Moon not have the same pull or gravity on
Speaker 1: Jupiter or whatever? You know, how if gravity is one
Speaker 1: hundred percent right, then wouldn't gravity be gravity wherever it's
Speaker 1: at it would always be one hundred pounds per square
Speaker 1: inch pull If that's what it is which I'm you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't remember what they claim, So
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense that they would actually know that. Well,
Speaker 1: on the Moon it would be half gravity or a
Speaker 1: quarter gravity. So therefore we've got to make these type
Speaker 1: of changes in adjustments. And once you start asking all
Speaker 1: those questions and just look at it, then everything points
Speaker 1: to the fag wall. There's no way that they could
Speaker 1: have known because six months before they actually went, they
Speaker 1: still couldn't even fly that rocket in a straight line. Right.
Speaker 3: It never does, it goes up. I've watched space launches
Speaker 3: of space lunches. I've seen rockets launch from a Virginia
Speaker 3: from the beach down in Delaware or Maryland, i should
Speaker 3: say Ocean City, and like everything else, it'll go up
Speaker 3: and then it'll it'll hangs the left right. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: going to your other point, they claim that the gravity
Speaker 3: on the Moon is weaker than the Earth because the size,
Speaker 3: because of the mass. So they say it's weaker gravitational
Speaker 3: pull the because of a smaller and less massive of
Speaker 3: an object. So they claim that is the difference, that's
Speaker 3: why there's less gravitational pull on the Moon versus the Earth.
Speaker 1: Oh well, it doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 3: No, gravity itself is a theory, and yeah, more or
Speaker 3: less a hoax. It's you know, buoyancy density, and there's
Speaker 3: other factors in it as well, of course, but those
Speaker 3: are the two big factors in it as well. But again,
Speaker 3: it all goes back to scientism. And how whoever it
Speaker 3: was LBJ. Nixon said, if you make a lie big enough,
Speaker 3: people will believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the the the item I was talking about
Speaker 1: about then six months before couldn't even flyind a straight
Speaker 1: line was and I probably won't be able to find
Speaker 1: this documentary, but there was one that we're talking about
Speaker 1: the NASA organization, you know, the basically the space race
Speaker 1: to get to the Moon. And they were talking about
Speaker 1: how six months beforehand, on land on wheels, the rocket
Speaker 1: that they used to supposedly go up to the Moon,
Speaker 1: they on wheels, they couldn't drive it in a straight line.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you know, fast forward,
Speaker 1: there they are, they got these astronauts on there and
Speaker 1: they're blasting them directly at the Moon. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my goodness. So six months before that
Speaker 1: they couldn't even drive it like a car. But yet
Speaker 1: now they've practiced enough to where they can you know,
Speaker 1: use the aeronautical things to actually get it all the
Speaker 1: way to the moon and back. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that is so unbelievable.
Speaker 3: And then fast forward to the Apollo one crew just
Speaker 3: two years before the quote unquote moon landing. Gus Grissom,
Speaker 3: he was he was incensed everything all their simulators thing
Speaker 3: was working. And he actually he had a lemon try
Speaker 3: in his backyard and he brought it to NASA and
Speaker 3: he hung the lemon on the I don't remember if
Speaker 3: it was actually the spacecraft or a simulator. And they
Speaker 3: were having communication problems just between like the rocket that
Speaker 3: was outside and the headquarters which was you know, two
Speaker 3: hundred yards away, and he saying, we can't even communicate
Speaker 3: to the building next to us. How were we supposed
Speaker 3: to communicate, you know, to the moon? And he hung
Speaker 3: a lemon and then five days later, you know, he
Speaker 3: and the two other gentlemen burned up in that accident.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, i'd heard the story about the communication, which
Speaker 1: I was. I was kind of impressed when I saw,
Speaker 1: you know, where they were using a landline phone to
Speaker 1: talk to the people on the moon. I was thoroughly impressed.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, we have gone so far backwards,
Speaker 1: because I'm I mean, here we are. We got digital
Speaker 1: technology now and I can drive down the road listening
Speaker 1: to the radio and it'll go out. But we you know,
Speaker 1: back then they could use landlines. Yep. That was Yeah,
Speaker 1: not to mention what I think it was. I think
Speaker 1: it was you that mentioned in a few times that
Speaker 1: they had the technology less than the Atari twenty six hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically that was the technology they say they went
Speaker 3: to the Moon on and here we are today. I mean,
Speaker 3: that is nothing compared to what we have to today.
Speaker 3: And still nothing now I think. You know, a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, come on came out and said that
Speaker 3: we're going to have a man mission on Mars now
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. And it's what every administration does.
Speaker 3: They kick it down, They kick the can down the road,
Speaker 3: they announce it, and then everybody forgets about it. But
Speaker 3: they do have the AI and the technology and the
Speaker 3: Hollywood green screens to pull off if they wanted to,
Speaker 3: they kick get people to believe, because look what Hollywood
Speaker 3: has done, Like you know, they could certainly create the
Speaker 3: illusion that they're landing on Mars, and but it's just
Speaker 3: not possible. You know, you read Genesis and it's very
Speaker 3: clear how you know we are created?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, I mean it's it's unique that you bring
Speaker 1: up Genesis, because I have to admit I haven't. I've
Speaker 1: studied Genesis for several years now. In fact, I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to write a book about the study and
Speaker 1: the study and I've done and I've slacked on that.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm slow, so slack on that. But uh,
Speaker 1: it's difficult. Well, it seems like every time I go back,
Speaker 1: and you know, part of my story was I was
Speaker 1: I was trying to find I was trying to learn
Speaker 1: the Bible and uh, you know which my my battle
Speaker 1: with Christianity and the Bible is just we went to
Speaker 1: a church a long time ago and uh and they
Speaker 1: the how do I put this? They they the Bible
Speaker 1: lets us know that as as disciples of Christ, we
Speaker 1: are to go for making more disciples. Yep, and uh
Speaker 1: and the you know a lot of churches say that,
Speaker 1: but this one church that we went to, it was
Speaker 1: just I was, I was new into Christianity. I was
Speaker 1: started at Genesis one one and started reading and then
Speaker 1: they get to parts that I didn't understand, and it,
Speaker 1: you know, just and basically the answer I always got was,
Speaker 1: what you got to read the whole Bible. Okay, well
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in chapter three of Genesis and I'm stuck,
Speaker 1: and well, you got to read the whole Bible. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not discipling. And so I literally got to a
Speaker 1: certain point where I just wanted to live my own
Speaker 1: life again and about ruined my family. Through the grace
Speaker 1: of God, we're all back together and just uh. But
Speaker 1: with that, it seemed like every time I had questions
Speaker 1: and I would pray about it, God would be like,
Speaker 1: we'll go back to Genesis one, and I'd make it
Speaker 1: a certain way, and then he'd be like, we'll go
Speaker 1: back to Genesis one. Now I need you to write it.
Speaker 1: And so I'd started writing, and I wrote a few chapters.
Speaker 1: Then he's like, He's like, now go back to Genesis one.
Speaker 1: It just kept over and over and over and I
Speaker 1: could never figure out why and uh. And finally I
Speaker 1: was like, Lord, I need somebody to be with me
Speaker 1: physically to take me through this and uh. And it
Speaker 1: was funny because he said her and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta, you know, go to Matt, which
Speaker 1: I knew that I got a friend named Matt excellent Bibles,
Speaker 1: uh uh teacher, and but that wasn't the mat And
Speaker 1: I ended up having listening to the radio and there
Speaker 1: was a guy that was teaching stuff on on you know,
Speaker 1: just verse by verse in the Bible. Now granted he's
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a he's probably not a flat earther,
Speaker 1: but I'm that all goes back to, you know, there's
Speaker 1: so much more in the Bible that we need to
Speaker 1: see as a picture of salvation and the love of Christ,
Speaker 1: you know, that we need to focus not always on
Speaker 1: flat earth. But so I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. So I literally started listening to a
Speaker 1: lot of his stuff and just literally the picture of
Speaker 1: salvation and who Jesus was, you know, because there's a
Speaker 1: there's a part in I think it's a Matthew where
Speaker 1: Jesus is talking to Nicodemus and Nicodemus is like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean it's born again? Stuff? And I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: am I as a grown man supposed to go back
Speaker 1: into my mother's womb? What in the world. And then
Speaker 1: Jesus is like, aren't you like the teacher of teachers?
Speaker 1: How is it that you don't know? And so that
Speaker 1: lets me know that, you know, Nicodemus had to have
Speaker 1: known about being born again from the Old Testament and
Speaker 1: a lot of people. That's like a new revelation to him.
Speaker 1: So you start at Genesis one one and you start
Speaker 1: moving through the Old Testament. There's so much there about
Speaker 1: being born again. You just got to see the picture
Speaker 1: of it, because it's not it's not described as the
Speaker 1: born again experience, which is a you know, a catchphrase
Speaker 1: that we throw around lightly in the Christian world today
Speaker 1: is you got to be born again. You got to
Speaker 1: be born again. Well it's cool to say that, but
Speaker 1: you need to understand you have to be born again.
Speaker 1: And when you see the pictures of it, you know.
Speaker 1: And and then I think that's why God kept telling
Speaker 1: me go back to Genesis one, you know, go back
Speaker 1: to Genesis one until you can grab hold of the
Speaker 1: information that I need to tell you. And uh, and
Speaker 1: I just wish I had the same, you know, I
Speaker 1: could I could just sit down and just start writing
Speaker 1: and I got one chapter, but I need to I
Speaker 1: need to I need the commitment like you have for
Speaker 1: the podcast, where I could sit there and get all
Speaker 1: the way through the Genesis, because I already got a title.
Speaker 1: I get people in our fellowship when I start saying,
Speaker 1: let's turn to when I preach, I go, let's turn
Speaker 1: to Genesis whatever, and they start, oh, there, we go
Speaker 1: back to Genesis. It's well to me.
Speaker 3: It's the old saying you have to know where you
Speaker 3: came from before you know where you're going. Genesis has
Speaker 3: always been very important to me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3: And that comes full circle to here's a book that
Speaker 3: is literally telling you about the place we live, how
Speaker 3: it was built, how we have one light that was
Speaker 3: made for the day and a lesser light that was
Speaker 3: made for the night. It's not a rock that reflects
Speaker 3: a light that just happens to be colder than the
Speaker 3: temperature around it, you know. And when you take all
Speaker 3: those things into consideration, that book helps you realize that
Speaker 3: you know, this matrix that they have built, that full
Speaker 3: of lies, that makes you say, hey, this is how
Speaker 3: you have to live, you know, which is to be honest,
Speaker 3: and you know we all dab in it. But it
Speaker 3: is a world of sin. Everything much of the things
Speaker 3: within entertainment and TV. Right, we just put it aside, well,
Speaker 3: it's just entertainment. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 3: this entertainment is morally molding the minds of a lot
Speaker 3: of the children. You've got to be more vigilant than ever,
Speaker 3: especially with the Internet and some of these video games
Speaker 3: and all of these other things that are available to children.
Speaker 3: You really have to put on the armor of God
Speaker 3: to fight off the evil in this world.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and she's not.
Speaker 3: Playing mister downer, right, But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a wonderful, beautiful world that got built. Unfortunately, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people trying to pervert it and bring
Speaker 3: upon the things that we talk about.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you brought up the two lights. And with that,
Speaker 1: that's one thing I do want. I want to thank
Speaker 1: you for that because for you know, most of my life,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't wrap my head around how the how
Speaker 1: they could be. You know, the sun could be millions
Speaker 1: of miles away but still apply warmth to the earth,
Speaker 1: and then the the sun could be hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of miles away, but yet it's still light up the
Speaker 1: night sky and it just you know, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: find answers and then uh, I was listening to I
Speaker 1: Forget an earlier podcast that you did, and and you
Speaker 1: touched on their lights and they're hung in the firmament,
Speaker 1: and and I was like, oh, my goodness happened. I'm
Speaker 1: studying Genesis repeatedly for like ten years, and and I've
Speaker 1: read that scripture over and over, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole uh public school system thing just
Speaker 1: kept going. Yeah, but that's that's just you know. And
Speaker 1: then but when you said it, and I wish I
Speaker 1: could remember to the guests that you had on that
Speaker 1: that really explained it, I was like, hold on. So
Speaker 1: I literally walked outside and I went, okay, now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna quote George Hobbes. It's sitting right there. It's close
Speaker 1: that you can touch it. And uh. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I went back to my wife
Speaker 1: and I told her. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. And and I think it was a Saturday,
Speaker 1: and I pulled her outside and she was she was,
Speaker 1: what are we looking at? I was like the sun?
Speaker 1: And she goes, what about it? And I was like,
Speaker 1: doesn't it seem like it's close enough you can touch
Speaker 1: it and and she she just gave me this look,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not even doing flat earth. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing flat earth. There are to me, it's two
Speaker 1: separate things. The sun is right there. Just look. And
Speaker 1: then fast forward I think to this past August. I
Speaker 1: think there was a something that was on fire and
Speaker 1: it put a lot of smoke in the air where
Speaker 1: we lived, and I happened to be outside and I
Speaker 1: I looked up and the smoke literally made the sun
Speaker 1: look red with a red ring around it, and you
Speaker 1: could see the crispness of the ring, and I went, oh,
Speaker 1: my goodness. So I called a buddy of mine who
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't believe in flat earth, and but
Speaker 1: uh I called him and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: you got a minute and he goes he goes yeah.
Speaker 1: And I said, dude, I said, are you out? Can
Speaker 1: you are you outside? And he goes yeah.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, this isn't flat earth.
Speaker 1: I said, this is something different. I said, I said,
Speaker 1: we're always looking for biblical truths. And he goes yeah.
Speaker 1: And I said, dude, I said, the sun and the
Speaker 1: moon were hung in the firmament. And he goes yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, can you see the sun where you're at?
Speaker 1: And he goes no, And I said, I'll send you
Speaker 1: a picture. I said, dude, the crispness that the smoke
Speaker 1: applied to the sun, if it was millions of miles away,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be like that. And uh, I said, so
Speaker 1: that's that's it. That is it right there, just so
Speaker 1: then you know, And I sent you that picture last
Speaker 1: week or two weeks ago, and.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 1: The picture does not do justice of what was actually
Speaker 1: in the sky, but the rays that were coming off
Speaker 1: of it, and then the fact that the clouds were
Speaker 1: just I mean, they were so bright right next to
Speaker 1: where the sun was. I was like, if anybody needed
Speaker 1: evidence of the sun being hung in the firmament, not
Speaker 1: sixty seven million miles away, this is what they need
Speaker 1: to see. Because and I try. I think I took
Speaker 1: like a dozen pictures trying to find the best one
Speaker 1: where I wouldn't have people's cars and people in it.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't want to invade their privacy that way.
Speaker 1: But I was like, so I sent you the best
Speaker 1: one that I could take, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, lord, it just literally you hung it right there,
Speaker 1: and we struggle with that, and I think I think
Speaker 1: part of the deception that Lucifer Satan has put into
Speaker 1: us is we in our flesh have to figure out
Speaker 1: the answer to everything, and where we don't. We need to,
Speaker 1: We need to rely on what God has already told us.
Speaker 1: You know that he hung him in the firmament. The
Speaker 1: firmament is up there. They're there for a purpose, for
Speaker 1: seasons and signs, you know, and what you know, and
Speaker 1: then of course we distorted and and uh. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so I share that because I want to thank you,
Speaker 1: because that's that's something I literally learned from you, and
Speaker 1: the the guests that you had on the show was
Speaker 1: literally it is. It is just right there, yep.
Speaker 3: And I have it in the notes. I'll put it
Speaker 3: in the blog post. So if you're listening, make sure
Speaker 3: you go to the flatter of files and click on
Speaker 3: the interview with Darren and you'll see the picture there
Speaker 3: amongst all the other notes I'll put in there. You
Speaker 3: just see the way the rays are coming through the clouds.
Speaker 3: There's no way it's ninety three million miles away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome stuff.
Speaker 3: Hey, we're just about out of time. But as always
Speaker 3: I like to give you the last few minutes for
Speaker 3: anything that you may have not had a chance to
Speaker 3: touch on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm terrible. I was going to take notes, but
Speaker 1: the problem with me taking notes is I never read
Speaker 1: the notes. Same thing when I get up and I
Speaker 1: preach as I write notes. Like the last time I
Speaker 1: had I think I had five pages of notes of
Speaker 1: what I wanted to share. It was, which was about
Speaker 1: born Again, and I made it I think three quarters
Speaker 1: the way through the first page, and then I lost
Speaker 1: my spot and I just I told everybody, asked, well, sorry,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna have to listen to me talk. I
Speaker 1: can't reference anything. So but the big thing is is
Speaker 1: is I have to. I have to give honor and
Speaker 1: glory to Jesus Christ, our Savior. And this is whether
Speaker 1: whether you're a flat earther or a glober Jesus is
Speaker 1: the king of kings, the Lord of lords. He loves
Speaker 1: you regardless of where you think you're living. He'll meet
Speaker 1: you where you're at. You can you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people nowadays think that Jesus will meet you where
Speaker 1: you're at, and you're going to stay where you're at.
Speaker 1: But the thing about Jesus to see he wants you
Speaker 1: to be where he's at and you may show up
Speaker 1: one way, but you're going to leave another way. And
Speaker 1: and I just I can't get over how much He
Speaker 1: loves us and it's loyal to us, and how we
Speaker 1: need to be a reflection of that to where we
Speaker 1: can show just as much love and loyalty as Christ
Speaker 1: has shown us so much so that you know, he
Speaker 1: died on the cross, and you know, Scripture lets us
Speaker 1: know that we we need to die to the flesh
Speaker 1: daily and and that's a reflection of who Christ is
Speaker 1: in us. And uh, that's the biggest thing that I
Speaker 1: can say. And you know, if anybody, and I'll just
Speaker 1: throw this out there, you can share my my email
Speaker 1: if anybody has any questions. I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: that I have the answers, but I'll definitely pray about
Speaker 1: it and I'll dig in to see if I can
Speaker 1: help you get the answers in Scripture, mainly because I
Speaker 1: just I just somebody was there praying and helping me
Speaker 1: when I didn't deserve it. And I want to be
Speaker 1: that person for the next that thinks that there's no
Speaker 1: answer to what they need.
Speaker 3: Pay it forward as they say, right, yes, absolutely, Well,
Speaker 3: we're all flawed and we're all trying to be better
Speaker 3: as this world, you know, in this world as the
Speaker 3: days goes on, and you know, we see the headlines
Speaker 3: and everything, and they try to keep us in a
Speaker 3: constant state of fear. And it's for a reason. It's
Speaker 3: so that we depend on man to solve our problems
Speaker 3: and not God. But the further way you get from
Speaker 3: the mainstream media and things of that nature, the more
Speaker 3: things become clear and just as clear as the picture
Speaker 3: that you emailed me with the rays coming through the
Speaker 3: clouds right that it's all crystal clear, and you surmised
Speaker 3: everything perfectly with you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: it's all about Jesus Christ and his love for us. So, Darren,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us on this beautiful
Speaker 3: Saturday afternoon. I can't thank you enough for sharing your
Speaker 3: story and again to the listeners, I'll have Darren's email
Speaker 3: address as well as notes and little videos for everything
Speaker 3: we've talked about during this last ninety minutes. So Darren,
Speaker 3: thank you again for your time. Sir, I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you, and I have to throw in one
Speaker 1: more thing. I just I was gonna catch you earlier,
Speaker 1: but one of your guests on there because I'm, like
Speaker 1: I said, my weird sense of humor. I kept wanting
Speaker 1: to call you Greg at sometimes because one of your
Speaker 1: one of your earlier the guy kept calling you Greg
Speaker 1: all through it, that's right, and you you were you
Speaker 1: just manned up and you just said yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, you know something sometime
Speaker 1: through this, I'm gonna have to say, you know, Greg,
Speaker 1: But I never couldn't go without saying it.
Speaker 3: I just I forgot about that good stuff. Well, uh
Speaker 3: for Darren, I'm Greg. Thank you guys so much for
Speaker 3: joining us today. Again, Darren, thanks, thanks so much for
Speaker 3: joining us, and and folks, thanks for your continued support.
Speaker 3: Please do stop by the website, uh, theflat Earthfiles dot
Speaker 3: com and again if you'd like to be a guest,
Speaker 3: it is FE Files guest at gmail dot com. All
Speaker 3: the notes are in the show description and again on
Speaker 3: the website. God bless you everybody. Have a great week.
Speaker 3: We'll see you next Sunday night for another edition of
Speaker 3: The Flat Earth Files. Keep your head want to swivel,
Speaker 3: and until we meet again, my friends, we will see it.
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