WEBVTT 1 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.320 This week's all about conferences. And you know, me, as 2 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:29.079 a former conference program director, I find them not only invigorating, 3 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:31.519 but they're very important because you can get a lot 4 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:35.000 of data, a lot of information in one sitting. You know, 5 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:37.280 you could go to an all day conference and here 6 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:41.560 multiple people. You could go to a weekend conference and here, 7 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:44.920 you know, hundreds of people. I used to program direct 8 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:50.320 the Whole Life Expo in San Francisco and in Chicago. 9 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:55.679 We also did one in the Austin, Texas and Atlanta, Georgia, 10 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.320 and we had a three day program that featured two 11 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:05.040 hundred speakers. Can you imagine that? Talk about burnout? But 12 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:08.200 you know we did. We had a program guide and 13 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:11.079 you would select, you know, you paid for your weekend 14 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.879 pass and you selected two or three a day, and 15 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.159 you had your breakfast and you had lunch and your dinner. 16 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:21.799 And those kinds of shows are really really rare now 17 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.120 because people just don't have the bandwidth. But we are 18 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:28.439 a sponsor of the upcoming Cosmic Summitt June twentieth to 19 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:33.239 twenty third, and this is what we're promoting this program. 20 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:37.079 We are going to feature a number of individuals who 21 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:43.040 will be speaking, including the producer George Howard, and I 22 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.799 think that they're one of the best programs out there. Hey, 23 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:48.920 this is Cliff your host of Earth Ancients, and I 24 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:54.120 gotta tell you it's exciting to be a sponsor. And 25 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.640 if you haven't heard about Cosmic Summit, go check out 26 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.799 their website Cosmic Summit dot com. They have an a 27 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.560 list of presenters and what makes them real special is 28 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.800 that they have the academic side and then they have 29 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:16.560 the research investigator side. These are not PhDs or master's students. 30 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:19.240 They are just people like you and I who have 31 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.639 a great interest, who in some cases have actually written 32 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:26.400 books on their research, and they make it fun to 33 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:31.599 listen to. Now, the Cosmic Summit this year features Randall Carlson, 34 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:37.960 Robert Schock, Pravin Mahon, Scott Walter. They have Danny Hillman. 35 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.879 Remember Danny Hillman is the geologist who excavated Ganoon Penang 36 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:47.159 in Indonesia and discovered that it's over twenty eight thousand 37 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.439 years old. He will be presenting new information on that. 38 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:57.199 Hugh Newman, Chris Cartel, doctor Steve Collins, and the list 39 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.000 goes on and on. They have like a really good 40 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:06.199 lineup of eclectic presenters. And why I like it again 41 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:11.280 is the diversity of presentations. And if you cannot get 42 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:15.520 out to Greensboro, North Carolina for it's June twentieth to 43 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.360 the twenty third, you can see it in streaming. They 44 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:24.039 have placed it so the entire program from beginning to 45 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.840 the end, is streamed to the comfort of your computer 46 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.560 wherever you're sitting, could be in the front room, can 47 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.599 be in your office, can be out enjoying yourself, and 48 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.360 you're taking a few minutes to watch a program for 49 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.879 only seventy five dollars. You don't have to pay anything 50 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:42.599 more than seventy five bucks from the twentieth to the 51 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.159 twenty third, and then there's some specials with Randall Carlson 52 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:49.680 and some others that will also be included in that package. 53 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.280 So you can see it at the streaming package by 54 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:56.759 going to cosmicsummit dot com and checking it out. But 55 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.719 today's program is going to feature not only the producer, 56 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:06.000 George Howard, why he decided to start this, his background, 57 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:10.879 but also we're gonna have Bob Grenier, who's a manufacturing 58 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:15.879 engineer who has detected lost technology in the form of 59 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:21.639 nano level particles, will also be talking with Tim Hogan, 60 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:26.240 who is a Templar Knights specialist. He's the Grand Master 61 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:32.439 of the Order of the Temple of secret initiatives has 62 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:37.000 to do with the Knights Templar lineage. He is also 63 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:41.160 a fascinating character because he is somebody who's followed up 64 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:47.000 on the Templars and discovered some of the really interesting 65 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:52.079 facets of the cathedrals that are throughout Europe, most notably France. 66 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:57.160 And what makes these temples unique. Now, remember these cathedrals 67 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:03.680 were engineered and does designed by the Templar Knights and 68 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:09.279 many of them sit over to lyric energy fields, former temples, 69 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:15.439 former rock formations that were used for ceremony prior to 70 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:21.160 the finding or the establishment of Paris, France. And so 71 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:27.240 these are much much more complex than we realize, and 72 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:31.160 we'll learn a little bit about that today in the program. Again, 73 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:36.120 this program, this podcast is all about Cosmic Summit, and 74 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:39.800 so we're gonna hear from a different point of view. 75 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.279 We're gonna hear from these individuals who are part of 76 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:51.879 this conference and the very diverse subject matter that has covered. Now, 77 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:56.360 the other thing that is unique about this conference is 78 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:02.040 that there's an exhibit area of ann and if you 79 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.759 can get yourself out to North Carolina that time of 80 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:11.079 the year, that hotel Sheraton will have a special room 81 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:16.319 set up with items like these unusual stone balls bowls 82 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:20.680 that were found in Sakara, Egypt, and I've talked about these. 83 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:25.360 I have one of these partial bowls that I have 84 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:30.000 in my collection. What makes this unique is the fact 85 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.279 that these bulls are cut within technology. We don't understand. 86 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.040 These are granite bulls. They were cut using either some 87 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:39.920 form of a lathe and if you don't know what 88 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.839 the lathe is, it's a machine that spins at a 89 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:49.759 very very high revolution. And they are the bulls. The 90 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.920 vases are cut with a sharp instrument. We don't know 91 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.720 what the instrument was that cut them. There's a lot 92 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.360 of anomalies regarding these bulls. One is that they are 93 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:05.560 paper thin, and so they're so thin that if you 94 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.639 pass a light through them, and these are pieces of granite, 95 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.759 if you pass a light through them, you can see 96 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.120 they reflect like a light bulb. It's very very odd. 97 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.959 The other thing, and they'll show there'll be the camera 98 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:23.680 to show you exactly what these bulls look like. There's 99 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:28.160 handle grips. Now, if a bull is spending at a 100 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.839 high revolution. If a piece of stone is spending at 101 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.399 a high revolution and you're trying to cut it into 102 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.360 a bowl an oval shape, how do you leave space 103 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:42.600 for handle grips. It doesn't make any sense at all, 104 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.839 And this is one of the explanations. Ben van Kirkwick 105 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:49.439 will be presenting the information on those bulls. You'll get 106 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.000 all the details when he presents his talk. I think 107 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:58.759 it's on Saturday the twenty eight first, and Matt Bial 108 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:03.040 who is the actual collector of these items, will be 109 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.240 on hand to actually present details about the collection itself 110 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.959 and some of the science analysis that's been done on 111 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:18.160 these items and why they are so odd. Again, most 112 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.319 people think that they're cut with tools of some kind, 113 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:27.519 but they must be harder than granted, and also not 114 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:32.440 necessarily cut with cutting tools, maybe with lasers or some 115 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:39.559 other technology that was in use prior to the dynastics 116 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.799 of Egypt. So that's something to look forward to. That's 117 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.960 also part of the package if you order the streaming 118 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.879 media for seventy five dollars twenty twenty first, twenty second, 119 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:59.039 twenty third, four days of presentations that are included. And 120 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:01.279 I want to remind you you don't have to watch 121 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.080 all the presentations. They are stored for you in a 122 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.440 file that you can download at your convenience. So today's 123 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:14.320 program is Cosmic Summit Preview, and my guests are George Howard, 124 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:21.919 the producer, Bob Grinner, and Tim Hogan. Today's episode is 125 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.360 sponsored by Insta three sixty, a leader in three sixty 126 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:30.320 degree action camera technology. 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This year is going to be held 158 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:57.559 at the Sheraton Hotel in Greensboro, North Carolina. And I 159 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:01.399 gotta tell you all the conferences that I have supported, 160 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:03.919 Cosmic Summit is one of the cherries on the top 161 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.679 of the whole Heap simply because it has a wide 162 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:12.759 selection of excellent presenters, it's in a great location, and 163 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:15.639 the producer, George Howard, is smart enough to have it 164 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:20.159 streamed via the Internet, which makes it available to everybody 165 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:24.320 around the world. So we're talking to a group of 166 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.600 people today. We're talking with the producer George Howard. If 167 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:30.440 you don't know who George is, he's the co creator, 168 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:34.120 obviously of the Cosmic Summit. He has a great appreciation 169 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:38.080 for ancient civilizations and science. In two thousand and seven, 170 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:40.840 he co wrote a paper on the Younger Dryest impact 171 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:43.639 hypothesis and would you believe? And we're going to talk 172 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.799 about this today. He is the co founder of the 173 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:51.639 Cosmic excuse me comment Research Group, which is this amazing 174 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:57.759 organization that is continually researching this devastating event that happened 175 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:02.159 at the end of the Younger Dryas. Welcome George, Thank 176 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:03.919 you very much. Cliff, thank you for your COMMD words 177 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:04.519 about the summit. 178 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:04.840 Buddy. 179 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.919 Yeah. Our next guest is Bob Grenier. Bob is a 180 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:15.159 manufacturing engineer. He is focused on lost ancient technology. He's 181 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:20.480 studying the applications of confusion alternative energy solutions, which we 182 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:25.600 want to hear about. And he's also investigating what he 183 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:29.799 calls exotic vacuum objects and I have no clue what 184 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:33.600 that is, but it sounds like a fascinating topic. And 185 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.080 finally we have Tim Hoague Hogan. He is the Grand 186 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:40.559 Master of the Order of the Temple of Secret Initiates. 187 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.000 He's a King's Templar lineage. He's also the author of 188 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:53.120 the Alchemical Keys to Masonic Ritual, The Elements of the 189 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:57.039 Elements and the Way of the Templar. We're gonna talk 190 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.200 to him about this. So welcome everybody. Great to have 191 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.639 you on Earth the Ancient and we're gonna really look 192 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:06.080 forward to seeing you at this at this summit. George, 193 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:08.960 I want to start with you, how did you get 194 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.039 this thing rolling? I mean, I know you had a 195 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.080 lot of diverse inter interestsment putting out a conference is 196 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.840 a lot of work, a lot of dedicated hours, a 197 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.279 lot of money. And what got you? I have never 198 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:27.279 asked you, what was the desire to pull this thing together? 199 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.039 I was kind of in a milieu of credential scientists 200 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.039 and speculators. Started with a credential scientist when we published 201 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:38.240 the Firestone paper, so I had a good roll of 202 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.240 decks of PhDs. It was just great knowing them when 203 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:41.919 I kind of got to play ball Boy for the team, 204 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.879 but thene having no credibility or reputation to lose myself 205 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.720 in science. I got to know speculators like Graham Hancock 206 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:53.080 and Randall Carlson and started meeting all those people. And 207 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.200 then I sold a business that I owned for twenty 208 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.840 five years. My partner and I sold it in twenty 209 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.039 twenty two, and I was kind of looking at the 210 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.279 future and got that kind of cliche who am I 211 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:05.440 going to be in the future kind of thing in 212 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.600 this land mitigation banker for decades, And I said, well, 213 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.840 you've got to do something in my lane. What do 214 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:13.799 I really like? What I really love? Well, I love 215 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:17.960 my science and my speculative buddies, and what would And 216 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.120 then I looked at the speculators and I said, huh, 217 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:24.320 Johannah James got millions of people downloading her stuff. She's 218 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.279 like a musician that has millions of people are listening 219 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.679 to her songs, but where do they go to see 220 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:34.720 her her concert? Right? So I said, humh If you 221 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.559 take these scientists and put them with the speculators, I 222 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:41.679 bet you people want to go see that in person, 223 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.639 and that's the idea. So that's how the Cosmic Summit 224 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:48.559 came about. Is kind of mixing too divergent rolodexes, and 225 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:50.879 we try to waring in our third year, but the 226 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.759 model is to have roughly one third PhDs and two 227 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:55.799 third speculators. 228 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:59.000 Yeah. I love that. You got pure science and then 229 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:02.559 you have what I call them research investigators, guys that 230 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:04.919 are going out and doing their own work and actually 231 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:07.559 in many cases going beyond writing a paper and they're 232 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:14.559 writing books. Talk real briefly about launching the Comic Research Group, 233 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.919 because that's a big part of this conference and everybody 234 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:25.279 from Randall Carlson to Mark Younger are presenting data on 235 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.639 this amazing phenomenon. 236 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.799 Yeah, the original authors of the Firestone paper used to 237 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.720 call ourself the Younger, Driest Boundary Team, but that's kind 238 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.000 of a mouthful and no one know what the hell 239 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:39.799 it was. So we kind of changed about ten years 240 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:41.879 ago and call the Comic Research Group. And that's those 241 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:46.159 original twenty three authors plus now probably fifty or sixty more, 242 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.759 almost universally PhDs from around the world, often in very 243 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:55.759 very narrow disciplines, but have very very open minds, and well, 244 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:57.679 I would say all of them, you know, in fact, 245 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.200 some of them are not esoteric people particularly, but they 246 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:07.000 just absolutely came upon this data in their own discipline 247 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.480 and said, if I'm intellectually honest, and I may have 248 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.240 to be brave to do so, but I've got to say, 249 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:14.920 there was a tremendous catastrophe twelve eight hundred years ago, 250 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:19.559 and Earth had a very very bad day. And these 251 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:21.960 people were looking through their microscopes and did not seeing 252 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.400 anything so interesting in their entire careers, nor had anyone 253 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.039 in their department ever claimed something so bizarre. But they 254 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:32.039 still put their name to the papers nonetheless, and suffer 255 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.920 a good deal of criticism and personal, you know, ostracism 256 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.559 in their own field, some of them, because they've come 257 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.079 forward and been honest about what they're seeing in the microscope, 258 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.839 what they're seeing in the geochemistry, what they're seeing in 259 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:48.119 the paleontological and archaeological record, and that's that twelve eight 260 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:51.279 hundred years ago, Earth had a very very bad day. 261 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.079 Yeah, you want to talk more about that in a minute, Bob, 262 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:55.839 I want go ahead. 263 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:57.640 I'm just going to say, so we put together the 264 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:59.440 Comment Research Group being go to it. It's on the 265 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.119 web at Research Group dot org, I believe, And it's 266 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.519 just a loose affiliation. It's just so you can give 267 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.519 a name and it's not a club and they're no 268 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.720 membership rules or anything like that. It's just a bunch 269 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:11.240 of geeks. 270 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.079 Yeah, but I have to say this, I was looking 271 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:16.640 at it last night. You have an oppressive list of people. 272 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.880 I mean I was scrolling and scrolling and scrolling. I 273 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:22.119 was like, it's not at like twenty or ten. It's 274 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:24.920 like you got sixty seventy people on that list. 275 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:28.720 Oh yeah, the of the Comic Research Group. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, 276 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:32.000 and it is impressive. And every time I don't go 277 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:33.359 to the website that all, but I'm always like, hey, 278 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.640 that's pretty cool and I'm a co director of it. 279 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.000 But there's not a whole lot of responsibility there. Yeah, 280 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:41.880 but no, thank you for checking it out. Then you've 281 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:43.960 actually been to the website. It's a good one. 282 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:44.480 Yeah. 283 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:48.799 Alan West's many talents is web design. He can also 284 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.079 type pottery and arrowheads, and on a transmission electron microscope 285 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:55.480 and do geochemistry. He's pretty talented. 286 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:58.480 Yuah, We're going to come back to that in a minute. Yes, Bob. 287 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:03.559 One of the themes of this conferences last technology, And I'm 288 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:06.759 curious as a scientist, as an engineer, what are some 289 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:12.599 of the evidences of ancient signatures of technology, either machine 290 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:20.759 that could look like megalithic stone works or emissions that 291 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:23.119 we know now that the Maya built pyramids, some of 292 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.160 them have been tested and have emissions. But what would 293 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:28.720 you say is a signature for an ancient civilization that 294 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:29.720 we can detect today. 295 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:37.839 I started this journey in this energy research in twenty twelve, 296 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:42.839 so thanks Cliff for the question, and I took myself 297 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:46.160 at my own expense to a conference in South Korea, 298 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.119 and Dejon and I met four other people who had 299 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:52.480 been inspired to similarly take themselves there and we set 300 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.200 up the project called the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project. And 301 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:59.799 we were looking at the testing the claims of these 302 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.599 parties who because everyone wanted to win the Nobel Prize, 303 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:06.039 no one really wanted to help each other out, and 304 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:11.839 there was no one actually verifying the claim. So we thought, well, 305 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.599 this is something we can do well. The typical way 306 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.880 that you verified these technologies was to look or you 307 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.319 were being told to verify them was to look for neutrons, 308 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:27.839 gamma X rays, these kind of normal expected particles out 309 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:34.599 of these experiments. In twenty fifteen, I met a former 310 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:40.559 professor of biology at University DCNA called Professor Francesco Pentelly. 311 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.440 He discovered the nickel hydrogen system and something stuck in 312 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:47.200 my head more than almost anything else. He said during 313 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.799 the week or so that we were with him, and 314 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:52.240 that was, don't tell nature what it is, let it 315 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.920 show you. And so from that moment on, I stopped 316 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:58.880 really looking for what I was told to look for. 317 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.759 I looked for what nature was actually doing. And over 318 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.920 a period of years it became clear that these very 319 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:14.160 specific structures that look like vortexes, triangles, and very specifically 320 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:19.519 hydrodynamic vortices. Now, what is a hydrodynamic vortex. If you 321 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:21.839 take a plate and you push it into a swimming 322 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.039 pool in a sunny day, it'll create two little dimples, 323 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.880 and this is a vortex. Is what's called a Falico Solton. 324 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:34.039 It's half of a vortex, and this projects the sunlight 325 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:36.799 with the dimples in the water two spots, and it's 326 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:40.039 a very stable structure and that moves across the surface 327 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.599 of the water. Now we were finding similar structures in 328 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:49.000 all kinds of reactors. And so if it's a hydrodynamic vortex, well, 329 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:53.039 if it's got electricity involved, it turns out that it 330 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.400 actually comes out of the thing called magneto hydrodynamics. And 331 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.400 when you look at these structures, it dawned on me 332 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.039 that these were the very same structures that you saw 333 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.000 on the central pillar in a Masonic temple. It's an 334 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:14.119 ionic swirl and counter swirl. Okay, And in fact tales 335 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:19.920 from Tal's theorem, which is a principal person in a 336 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.319 Masonic sort of understanding. 337 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:24.160 He had this. 338 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:31.279 Protige called an axiomander. An Axiomanda was probably the first 339 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.160 in the modern era scientists to look at the natural world, 340 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.640 and he was from the Ionian period when the ionic 341 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.599 column was formed. And to bring this full circle, when 342 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:50.200 Faraday was electoralizing water, he saw a vortex and an 343 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:54.839 anti vortex in water, and some colymath came in and said, oh, 344 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:58.759 that looks like an ionic column. So ions in electricity 345 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:02.880 came from the ionic column, that the ionic column came 346 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:07.440 from study of nature and ancient Egypt. And so thousands 347 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.640 and thousands of years apart, you had went full circle. Now, 348 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:14.440 what does this structure look like This structure looks like 349 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.920 a circle which intersects another circle, and that produces the 350 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.720 visica pisces, the first symbol of the Christian Church. And 351 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.279 if you take the two inner circles of a hydrodynamic vortex, 352 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.200 they meet in the center, and if you take half 353 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:32.240 of that circle, it's just a Chai symbol, and it's 354 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.519 a vortex going in which produces the triangle and a row, 355 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.119 which is the second symbol of the Christian Church. Or 356 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:40.759 to cut a long story short, I found that the 357 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.599 magneto hydrodynamic vortex that I had derived from looking at 358 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:48.400 independent experiments, including our own, from all over the world 359 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.039 and through decades of time that they hadn't realized it 360 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.640 exactly and precisely fits the internal structure of the Great 361 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:02.200 Pyramid of Gizer precisely. Moreover, it is exactly if you 362 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:05.480 put it down horizontal, it is the map of the 363 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:10.400 standard Christian Church, including that of the Vatican. And it's 364 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:15.839 also the same form of structure as the oldest temples 365 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:22.720 in Gozo and Malta. They are five six hundred years ago, 366 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.160 but more recent thinking is because they've never taken any 367 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.640 data from under the stones that it may be as old, 368 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.880 if not older than Gebecky Tepi. And those oldest temples 369 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:38.039 that they have there are this clover leaf shape. And 370 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.640 when I walked into one of these last year, I 371 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.119 saw a vortex of like k pop or or dandelion 372 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.200 seeds going around, and I just walked out and I said, 373 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:50.079 to my words, holy beep mine to my wife, this 374 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:52.960 is an energy structure. How has no one been able 375 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.079 to see this? And when you look at it the 376 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:02.200 temple in Tarkshene, it is an energy amplifier for Chi 377 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.599 energy and it has a beam that comes off which 378 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:07.880 we see in our experiments at the micron scale, and 379 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.119 that goes into another one into the Holy of Holies 380 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.799 where the altar is, and the altar in a Christian 381 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:17.559 church is in identically the same position and energetically speaking, 382 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:21.000 as you see in these temples in Gozo and Malta. 383 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.160 Wow. You know, it's funny you mentioned the Templars, and 384 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:28.480 Tim I wanted to ask you. There's a great deal 385 00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:33.279 of data or speculation that the Templars when they were 386 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:38.119 in Jerusalem actually found some very high tech brought it 387 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.519 back to Europe and then incorporated this into the cathedrals, 388 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:46.200 and this is why when people go into these cathedrals 389 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:48.960 and they sit for any period of time, they feel 390 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:53.720 a calming effect, they feel a slight buzzing. Talk about 391 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:57.400 what we know on the templars, I'm really curious to 392 00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:58.519 get an idea. 393 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:03.640 Sure, well, you know, the Tumbler Order was it was 394 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.400 said it was found to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land, which. 395 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:07.720 It did do. 396 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:13.200 But but what it was really doing was archaeology, and 397 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.920 what it was specifically looking for was there was a 398 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:21.559 belief that there had been an advanced civilization that had 399 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:26.200 gotten wiped out. And they believed this from this originally 400 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.960 from the story of Noah. But then as they encountered, 401 00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:36.039