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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday. That means

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we're going to talk about pop culture and Bravo in

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the news today. I've got my friend. It's Melissa of

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your bitch therapist or your bish therapist if you're trying

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to be PC. Hey Melissa, Hey Mary Payne, how are you?

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Thanks so much for having me back.

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Speaker 2: Does anybody ever call you mel or missy?

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Speaker 3: You know, funny story. I grew up in the eighties

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on a block with three different Melissas. Uh huh, and

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so there we all had to have nicknames. But mine

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was Lissy because that's my grandparents used to call me.

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It's Lissy. So I was never a Missy or a

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mel I was Lissy. But you can call me anything

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you want.

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Speaker 2: Lissie's pretty cute.

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Speaker 3: Though I loved it. I loved it when they gave

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it to me. I still love it to this day.

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I think it's cute and unique. And I don't know, Yeah,

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I'm kind of missy. I don't think I'm a missy.

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That's not my this's not my vibe.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't come off across as like a mel

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or Melly either.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so I'm always interested in people's names,

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and I'm always interested, Like when I was younger, they

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called me this, but now it's this. I interviewed a

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ninety Day Fiance person that was on the show yesterday.

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Her name was Paulina. She's from Brazil, but on the

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show they call her Paula. So I was calling her Paula,

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and she said, you know, really, I think I didn't

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know enough about the show to tell them I prefer

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to be called Paulina, but now I'm Paula and Thomas,

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but really I'm Paulina, right right, Well you're stuck with

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Paula now because it's on every Chiron. We're twelve episodes

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in Girl, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, But I do I think that's you know,

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when I was a therapist in practice, I mean, really

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it seems like a very simple question, but I would

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always ask, you know, not just what's your name, but

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what do you prefer to be called? Because so many

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people will have like a legal name that was given

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to them that either for trauma reasons, they just or

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they don't like it, and so yeah, that's one of

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those things. I think it's a great question, and I'll

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tell you A fun fact. So, when I was a kid,

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my sister who was four years younger, she was trying

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to say Lizzie and it came out ditzy. So to

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this day, I am forty five years old and my

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entire family call me Dits. That is my nickname. My

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nieces and nephew they call me anti ditzy. So I'm

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not ditzy in the traditional sense, but that is actually

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pretty much what I'm called, so, you know, and seriously,

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some of my friends from back in the day, they'll

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just be like, hey, Dits, what's up, which is.

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Speaker 1: So funny because you're so not ditzy, you know.

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Speaker 3: Right right exactly. But I don't know, I just love it.

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I just love when people call me anything, call me whatever.

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Speaker 1: My friend mom was Diane and they called her Disy,

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so it'd be like, Hi, Disy. I always thought that

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was I was like, yeah, her mom diesy. I was like,

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I thought her name was Diane. But all right, go

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with it.

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Speaker 3: It's funny how those things come about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Now, somebody with a nickname is Angie K.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Angie K is a real housewifs of Salt Lake City.

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She's in the news there was a rumor and some

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nastiness that she and her husband were separated, and.

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Speaker 2: Then I guess page.

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Speaker 1: Six perhaps confirmed it. It's been a lot of confirming,

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but they haven't said anything unless it came out this morning.

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Speaker 3: Not that I know of. Yes, you're correct, a lot

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of confirming without the two of them confirming, but it

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definitely seems like it something's going on, Yes, after I

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think twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Years, yes, a long time.

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Speaker 3: Twenty seven years. Yeah, it's a long time.

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Speaker 1: And of course when we first met them, there were

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rumors about him because he's, you know, with her owned

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these hair salons and they owned the franchise and you know,

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they're very successful, and because he's a male hairdresser, there

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were rumors that he was gay. Now, not one person

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ever came forward, and you know there are thirst book

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gets out there who will take their one thousand dollars

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from TMC and spill it. So now one person ever

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came forward with any of this, and so obviously it's

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not true.

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Speaker 2: But that was a storyline.

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Speaker 1: And then they say, now the roomors and the nastiness

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is that he was having like an affair with somebody

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that worked to one of the salons.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy. Oh, well, here's the thing. I he was married.

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Wasn't he married to one of the Mormon wives or.

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Speaker 1: Was that somebody else that I'm no, no, no, no, that

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was the other Angie. Okay, there's another Angie. Yes, that

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had that husband that got super involved in some sort

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of like spam account.

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Speaker 3: Remember, yes, yes, thank you, thank you for clarifying that,

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because I was like, wait, is this him? No, you're

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totally right. That was the other Angie.

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Speaker 1: I oh, he was married to one of the Mormon wives.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's that's right. That's right. I would hope

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that that's not the case, because you know, here's the thing.

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I think, Angie she can be, like I call her,

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like a sour patch kid. She can be very sweet,

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but then she could also like chop your head off

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when she's up so with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking to make sure that she hasn't made

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a statement just that we haven't seen.

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Speaker 3: It's a smart idea, because lord knows, it couldn't break

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while we're recording. But I assume this is going to

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be on the next season of sal La City. I

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would assume. Yeah, so we're going to find out eventually.

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But of course, we're all like, we want to know now,

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but it's just very sad. I mean, I think it's

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like twenty seven years. Some people don't have that long

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of relationships period. That's not a failure by any means,

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but you would just hate for something to end over infidelity.

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Speaker 1: I would hate that, Franngie. Okay, I want to back

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up what I said. Okay, So on Real House Loves

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in Salt Lake City, when we saw Angie Harrington, she

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had the marriage to the guy who got involved in

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like the spam account talking about somebody Ginshaw probably if

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I recall, Okay, she Angie Harrington was married to Brett

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Brett who is now married to Demi.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, you solved the mystery.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah, So so Angie's current husband is

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who she's married to, the guy that set up the

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Ginshaw account, but she was previously married to Brett who's

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now married to Demi.

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Speaker 3: Right, and clearly she I mean she she picked a

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gentleman who like a spotlight, I guess is what I'll

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say about that.

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm very sorry about Angie.

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Speaker 1: K I don't maybe it'll be uh he had an

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infidelity and we're separating, but we're gonna work through it

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on the show. Kind of situation. I tell you I

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met him at Bravo Kan I'm wearing my.

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Speaker 2: Bravoconn T shirt twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: In New York Beautiful and New York.

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Speaker 2: So this.

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Speaker 1: So then we had twenty twenty three and twenty twenty

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five in Vegas, so I believe in twenty twenty three

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is where she was doing.

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Speaker 2: One of those things.

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Speaker 1: And he was standing to.

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Speaker 2: The side and I said, oh, you know, your angie

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s usband. Can I get a picture? And he and

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I don't have it right here. I wish I did.

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He whipped out.

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Speaker 1: One of those ring lights that go on your phone

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like it was like sure, Like I handed.

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Speaker 2: I was going to do the picture, and he was

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like slapped.

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Speaker 1: It on my phone. I was like, okay, okay, you know.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I appreciate a person who appreciates good lighting.

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Speaker 1: He was prepared.

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Speaker 3: That's that is that is being prepared. Uh, that's wild.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna let me take the picture without the

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proper lighting, let me tell you that much. He was

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perfectly nice. And then we saw them in the airport

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when we were leaving Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Of course they were going to Salt like we were

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going to d C.

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Speaker 1: Ended up riding in the little tram you know, between

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terminals with Heather, chatting with her. Very nice.

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Speaker 2: But before that, we were walking through.

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Speaker 1: And talking to Angie and her husband, and this was

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the room they that was just their first season. They

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had just had their first season, and uh so I

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was just talking to Heather like she likes the Grateful Dead,

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and so do I, and I said we were the

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We were the people that were giving out the This

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is all Kisha does is make fun of me because

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I can look around my desk and find anything.

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Speaker 2: We had.

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Speaker 1: We had Pokacha, we have poker chips with our logo

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and the QR code that people could subscribe and everything

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on the QR code. So I said, we were the

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ones that get I said, we were the ones that

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gave you the poker chips. He pulled it out of

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his pocket and he goes, yeah, I didn't want to

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throw this away for all the stuff that we got,

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because it's like so heavy and so nice. I was like,

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marketing works, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Mary Payne, you not only can pull anything from your

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desk and at youment of time.

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Speaker 1: But you leave I can't find a poker chip right now.

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I know, I'm shocked.

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Speaker 3: Also, I'm shocked. But you also do have like the

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best marketing stuff. I mean you really the way that

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your brain works. With that, I'm like, I wish I

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had one tenth of that because it's, yeah, the way

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your brain works. I just love it. And you have interesting,

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cool marketing things.

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Speaker 1: So well follow me Instagram because I mean, I'm out

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here hoard myself for every follower I could get, and

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I'm still not even probably half of what you've got.

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You know, y'all. I don't know about you, but it's

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been so hot here, and ninety five degrees outside feels

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like one hundred and twenty degrees inside your pants?

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Speaker 2: Am I right? You can summer prove your intimate.

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Speaker 1: Areas with the tushy bidet, the instant bathroom upgrade that

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keeps you healthy and fresh where sweat hits the hardest. Y'all,

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I am so excited to talk to you about the

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tussue bidet. You don't even know. As listeners to this

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show know, we talk about the days on our reality

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shows a lot. So many of our ninety day fiancees

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come over to the US and they're stunned that every

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home does not have a bidet, and all the Americans

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end up getting one and loving it. I would be

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willing to bet that most of them are getting a

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Tussue bidet.

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Speaker 2: I just got one. It was so easy to install. Seriously,

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it took.

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Speaker 1: Me ten minutes, and I'm not a handy person. Remember

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how easy it was for Rashiet to install his new

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bidet at Mallory's house. He was so excited about his

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clean buttthole, and he wanted her to have a clean

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butthole too. Now that's love. Now, Rasheet's new bidet looked

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great in her bathroom, and my new bidet looks great

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in my bathroom. I am telling you, if you have

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and try to bidet, get on board or get on

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the bidet. It really does make you feel so clean,

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and like Gihun from ninety Day fiance, your whole family

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can have a clean anal. Seriously, though, ninety nine percent

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of people who wash with Tushey warm water bidets feel

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cleaner and fresher after going to the bathroom. Tushy Eba

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days have a heated seat, adjustable water temperature and a

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powerful yet gentle dryer. Tushie bidets easily attached to your

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existing toilet without the need for additional plumbing and the

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EBA days only require an outlet, and people who have

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made the switch to Tushy use up to eighty percent

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less toilet paper. No more clogged toilets, and that is

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, Mary Payne, it's not all it's

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the more my account grows, the more yelling into the

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void there is. And I'm telling you. The other day,

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I'm gonna be honest. I posted something about Riley Burris

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and I got so trolled that I was like, I

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might just delete my account.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's let's switch to do because I don't

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you know, I don't fuck with the gen x. I

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don't fuck within the city. It's a young person's game

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and I'm too old for it. But I did see

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a lot because I'm going to follow all the news, right,

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so I did see that a lot of people were

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saying on the last episode that Riley had really bad behaviors,

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seemed drunk, it was being mean to people. So what

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happened and what was your diagnosis of the situation that

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you got called for?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll I'll tell you what happened and what I

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got drolled for. So Riley, and by the way, I'm

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not young. I'm forty five, so it's never too late,

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by the way, but I wear younger the oh boy,

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well I feel elderly. But okay, you're right. So then

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Riley and there's a girl named Georgia. Riley was very intoxicated.

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I'm gonna be honest. Her behavior was atrocious. She was

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yelling at Georgia, she was being nasty to her. She

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picked up a glass, like a glass glass and went

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like this to chuck it at her, and someone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good Housewives.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. It was so bad, and you know,

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it's interesting in the scene. So there's Gia Judae yeah,

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and then Arianna Beerman and they both kind of whispered

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in her ear and they're like, this is gonna be

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a problem for you, so we need to step away.

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Like they were trying to produce, and it was not

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working because Riley was just like it seemed like she

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was kind of blacked out, out of control. But then

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she made this nasty comment about how like Georgia couldn't

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even afford a burkein, and it was just like it

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was gross. It was bad. It was really it was

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really icky. I'm gonna say that, okay, But what I got,

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by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, that's not really a slam because like less than

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one of the one percent of people in the world

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can afford a Borken, and of that one of the

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one percents, a lot of people don't even want one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear from the people who have one that

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they're heavy and they're hard to carry and they're very inconvenient,

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but you know.

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Speaker 2: It's just status.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But to.

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Speaker 1: Say that to like a twenty something year old and

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a dive bar in New York seems odd.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was odd, and it was. It was a

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very entitled kind of yes, bratty moment, Brady moment where

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it was like, well, you can't afford a burken either,

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your mom can, but like I don't think you can yet, honey, bunny,

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you know.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a step back here.

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Speaker 3: But okay, So this was my take and I still

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stand by it, is that at this time Candy and

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Todd were in the middle of a contentious divorce. Something happened.

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They made the announcement the family was disintegrating. And my

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take is that number one, Riley's twenty three years old.

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Our prefrontal core taxes are not fully formed until research

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shows twenty five, but some research shows with people who

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are neurodiversent, that number could be closer to thirty two.

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And why to know, I know why and why that matters.

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Speaker 1: Thinking of my kids at my house, I'm like, oh shit.

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Speaker 3: Oh Mary payn rip you have a lot more parents.

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There's a lot more ahead of you. I'm sorry, I'm

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very sorry to tell you that. Okay, but the prefrontal

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core texes control things like impulse, emotion, regulation, decision making, right,

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And so my point was, let's have some empathy and say,

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who of us has not been an asshole? Either a

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drunken hasshole or just a twenty year old, young, immature asshole.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Did she fuck up?

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Speaker 1: For sure?

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Speaker 3: Did she make mistakes? Absolutely? Was it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: But my point was, let's have some empathy and understanding

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for the fact that she's still a young adult, and

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developmentally speaking, young adults are different from adults, and sometimes

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adults miss that nuance. Well, guess what. All the adults

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missed the nuance of my post and they roasted me

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in the comments. It's like, sometimes having empathy and understanding

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people don't want that. People want to say, well, she's

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a brat, That's what people kept saying. And it's like,

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would you like to be characterized by your worst moment

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in your twenties? Would you? I refuse to slap this

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person with like a painted brush if she's a brat

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because she made a mistake. Now, if she's pulling a

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Danny Buco and continues this over and over and over again,

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well that's a different story. So that was essentially my take,

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and people were real mad.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great take, and I think, you know,

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I see a lot of funny posts about like, you know,

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when me, let's speak for myself. When I was in

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my late teens and twenties, I was literally at at

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a keg party in a field, and my parents didn't

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know where I was and didn't care, and as long

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as I just came home, they would check and make

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sure I was there. You know, Now we track everything,

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and everything's different and the world is so different. So no,

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I would definitely not want to be defined by one

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of my many, many terrible moments that I had as

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a twenty three year old, you know, and by then

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graduated from college and had a job, still acted like

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an asshole. I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like most of us our twenties were

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just like it's like one big pharaoh mental breakdown your

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twenties to your thirties, and I just think understanding development

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but also just being an empathetic person, I just don't

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when I get frustrated about Bravo fans and especially women.

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They're so judgmental and harsh, but it's like their own stuff, right,

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So if someone's doing that to Riley, chances are they're

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probably going to be really judgmental to self another's period.

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So it's like, I understand where it comes from. But

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you know, also what I appreciated about the scene is

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that Candy. They showed Riley facetiming with Candy and Candy

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was not having it. Candy asked her what was going

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on she said she gave Riley gave this BS answer,

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and Candy was like, I don't want to hear any

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politically correct bullshit. You tell me what's going on right now,

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and we're going to talk about this. And so again

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I think it's like her, the people in her life

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that are important to her are holding her accountable. It's

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not the Bravo audience his job to hold Riley accountable.

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And I'm not like I people, I joke people want

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me to be like doctor Phil, where I'm like, you know,

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you yuriin, you uck, you really need to go to

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treat you know, just like such a miserable asshole. It's

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like I don't that's not who I am. I'm never

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going to rape on a child who's like, can we

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give her a bread?

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Speaker 1: People want you to be like doctor Phil Yeah, I'd

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be like you know you, you know, he was so

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harsh and mean sometimes to like his teenage guests.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I'm that's not me, that's not me.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh god, that's funny. Oh that's funny. Well okay,

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so another U Bravo. A person in the news is

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Milania uh Judais, not Trump and Milania Judais. I've I

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had a spanning on last week and he did the

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funniest impression where he like rolled his chair halfway out

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of the frame and was like, and he goes, that's

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what she was doing.

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Speaker 2: He goes, why was she so.

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Speaker 1: Far away from the camera sitting behind her lawyer, like

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like a little troll. And she's just like, okay, so

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you know she hit someone in the house with the

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initials elle R. Now, you and I were talking before

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and you were saying el R could also be Louie's

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son l R.

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Speaker 2: Louis Junior.

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Speaker 1: Now let's clarify he has two sons. Louis Junior is

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the older one who I don't think lives there. I

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do think the younger one who has autism lives there

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a lot of the time, so she could have gotten

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mad and hit her stepbrother m because she and Louie

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are out there posting every day together, just hold in

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the hands, dancing through the fields. They're best friends, best.

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Speaker 3: Friend who's posting that.

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Speaker 1: Milania and Louie are constantly now posting things together, like

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she's doing tiktoks, like where she's talking and he's behind her,

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like eating a sandwich, like they are just bessies. She

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the arrest, Yes, she posted after the arrest and yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: So my interpretation of that is that's damage control. And

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that's because Teresa also posted something with Milania, and I

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just think, yeah, I think it's damage control. And I

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think that's a shame because the one thing that Milania

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posted was like it said I read it on my

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podcast last week, but it said something like a lot

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of things have happened to me and you all have

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no idea. And I think that that's really important to

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remember is that we've watched these people on TV, but

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we don't really know their life. We don't know we've

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seen some of her trauma, like when her mom had

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to go to jail, and then her dad went to

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jail and then never came back. I mean, we've watched

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enough trauma for her to have issues, and then it's

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like you add in the components of what we haven't seen.

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I just have a lot of empathy for all these

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children of these Bravo folks. You know, it's like they

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didn't necessarily ask to be put on TV, and it's

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a tough situation.

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Speaker 1: So she's only twenty to speaking of it, speaking of preferental.

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Speaker 3: Cortexas yeah, yeah, I mean also I could tell that

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when Milania, like in the early days, when Joe and

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Teresa were going to jail, I could tell that Milania

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was just probably going to be the most impacted because

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she was so close to Joe. She was old enough,

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like the younger too Audreanna and Gabriella. When you're young,

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it just like protects you naturally from some of that

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stuff because you just don't understand it. But I think

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Milania really had the toughest time. Gia had to be

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like the eldest daughter and keep all of it together, which,

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by the way, what's so fascinating about next Gen and

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what I love is Gia is a completely different person

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than her mom, and she even said on Next Gen,

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she goes, you know, I've seen my mom flip tables.

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My family can be very aggressive, she goes, But in

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my friendships, I don't want that. And so in her

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friendships because of her trauma, she's the mother. Hen, she's

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the mother. Hen that says Riley, You're gonna look bad.

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Don't do this. Have some water, you know. So she

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almost flipped the script because of her family scenario. So

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I do think it's interesting to see how each one

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of her beautiful daughters manages each of these situations, because

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all kids are going to handle it different. In Lee

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and I just think Malania is having a tough time.

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Speaker 1: There's also some weird post that Louis did where he's,

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you know, just always just always self filming, just always

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with the camera just right on him with his red face,

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and he's like, you know what, she got home from work?

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You know why I do it because of this, and

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he swings around and behind him, sitting at the kitchen

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island is Teresa Gia and her fiance m h and

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they it literally looks like a hostage video. It looks

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like and then because they all go, can we like

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how weird in the kitchen and be like, I'm having

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a conversation with my wife, her daughter and the fiance,

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and all of a sudden, I think I'm just gonna

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wip the phone out and show everybody, this is what

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I do it for.

471
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Speaker 2: Like what?

472
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 3: And also, if you're doing it for your family, you

473
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probably don't need to tell the world that you're doing

474
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it for your family. If that's really why you're doing it,

475
00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:27,119
you know, to call that out kind of like that's

476
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,440
the opposite. I don't record myself pretty much doing anything

477
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,759
because it doesn't feel authentic to me other than podcasting. Yeah, yeah,

478
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:40,039
I think Louis is just like he He and Brian from

479
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,440
Pontorelli from Real House. He's a Rhode Island. They are

480
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:46,240
cut from a very similar cloth, I feel.

481
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Speaker 2: Oh Brian Rule's husband.

482
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yeah.

483
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Speaker 2: I had to take a minute on that.

484
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Speaker 1: Something else came out about him recently that he he

485
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had a marriage before and he did a similar thing,

486
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or he had a mistress before.

487
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: Or what was that about?

488
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: Can you remember?

489
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:07,799
Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, so the question was was Rula the mistress?

490
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,759
So he was married and this came out at the reunion.

491
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:18,160
Brian was married before he The allegation was that he

492
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met Rula left his wife, but then the divorce didn't

493
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take place until like eight years later, so then they

494
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:29,240
were calling into question was he were the marriage between

495
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he and Rula? Is it legal because of the timing

496
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,119
of that, And I just think.

497
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Speaker 1: She would not She would not say the date of

498
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her wedding.

499
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Speaker 3: She wouldn't, which I find really like for all the

500
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things to not be willing to come out with, that's

501
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,519
that seems really like a huge red flag to me.

502
00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:52,240
You can't just say the date that you got married.

503
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:54,720
I mean that should be ingrained in your brain. But

504
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:55,559
she didn't want to.

505
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Speaker 2: She has she had GAT documents. She had GAT documents.

506
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, exactly.

507
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Speaker 1: And that's why I like Joellen because she was reading

508
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:08,160
court documents because she's like, I've got nothing but time.

509
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:09,960
But then.

510
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: Joellen was my favorite.

511
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: But then we got all sorts of like bad stuff

512
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,839
about really gross tweets and things that she was liking,

513
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:26,640
you know, against immigrants, against gay, trample, against trans people,

514
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,720
really vile stuff.

515
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Speaker 2: She's like, I posted it, Yeah.

516
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: Oh I pos so, because okay, this is the story

517
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,559
on this. I saw those screenshots and I have someone

518
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:43,319
personally that went to the account that she was like liking,

519
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,759
which it's Donald Trump Junior, by the way, that's what

520
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,480
we're talking about here. So Joellen was liking a ton

521
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,960
of transphobic, homophobic, really just ugly things. Rula was as well,

522
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,759
and I posted it actually to my Instagram if you

523
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,279
want to see. I took screenshots of it and I

524
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,160
posted it because to me, it was so egregious that

525
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,400
it's like I stood up for Joellen in terms of

526
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,119
like her trauma, and I always like to give people

527
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,160
the benefit of the doubt, but hate doesn't deserve empathy.

528
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,640
And the fact that I posted about this, a lot

529
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,279
of other content creators posted about it. She went into

530
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,599
some content or creators dms. Guess whose dms she didn't hit?

531
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,039
That's right mine, because I'm not able to be manipulated.

532
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,839
Speaker 1: So what did she say to these content creators? Because

533
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,119
I haven't seen any kind of public apology or statement

534
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,519
from her saying I looked back on this and I

535
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,799
she she can't even do theg gressen ROSSI of, like,

536
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,519
I have a social media manager. I didn't know she

537
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:49,640
could just go and say I liked all these things.

538
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:53,279
I was misinformed and I've educated myself and I'm sorry.

539
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,440
That's all she can say. But she hasn't done that

540
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,240
to my knowledge.

541
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 3: No, she definitely has not done that, because if she

542
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,680
did it, I would have known about it. And one

543
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,359
of the accounts that I could tell you that she

544
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,599
did this too, it's account called Mister Housewives. Both Joe

545
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:15,400
Ellen and Rosie got into his well I don't know

546
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,200
who runs the account, but got into those dms and

547
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,960
then basically encouraged that person to take those posts.

548
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,279
Speaker 1: Down, which they did they did.

549
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:28,279
Speaker 3: So Yeah, So what I'm saying is I think that

550
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,119
there's no apology, there's no acknowledgment. They just want to

551
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,559
clean this up and make sure it goes away. But

552
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,799
I've heard that it is going to be a storyline

553
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,559
on season two of Real House Was of Rhode Island,

554
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,319
and it will be addressed in some way, shape or form.

555
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,920
Because for me, I am done with Joellen. If that's

556
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,319
really where she stands, I kin have empathy for anyone

557
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:54,680
in terms of like, these these things that she was

558
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,599
liking were from twenty twenty three, so it's twenty twenty six.

559
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:01,640
That's not that long ago, but it's not yesterday either.

560
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,759
So if you were to acknowledge it and say, you know,

561
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,440
I've made mistakes, I've learned, I've grown, I can hold

562
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,000
space for anything like that. But to just ignore it

563
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:15,039
and try to encourage people to just to delete their posts,

564
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,599
that smells of guilt to me.

565
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's guilt.

566
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: She did it, but it's just a matter of you

567
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,200
would think that right away there would be some sort

568
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,480
of I'm just you know, really regret that i made

569
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,480
these things. Maybe because they're currently filming, they were like,

570
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,319
don't say anything, you know, say it on camera, save it,

571
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,359
save it for the trailers, to make people watch it.

572
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,759
Speaker 3: You know, that's also very true, the power of editing

573
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:45,200
and filming a show. You just never know. But I'm

574
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,400
going to need her to say some stuff because it

575
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,920
was very egregious.

576
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: Seems like I was like, oh, well, when somebody could

577
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,759
come to her and say, you know, I have a

578
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:58,640
gay brother or I have a you know, transgender person

579
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920
in my life, you know, somebody could come to her

580
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,359
and explain from their point of view why this would

581
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,400
be hurtful. To maybe have a teaching moment. That's what

582
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,960
you hope for. But we don't always get teachable moments

583
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,920
on our housewives.

584
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:12,759
Speaker 3: So that's right.

585
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: I really am not sure what I need to shut

586
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:17,160
up because none of that's going to happen.

587
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: Okay, no, but I like where you're going. I like

588
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,799
where you're going because there should be but you're right,

589
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:22,920
there won't be so good call.

590
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think a lot of times, you

591
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,759
know people that are you know, anti anti gay, anti

592
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,920
you know, gay rights, gay marriage, all these things, maybe

593
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480
they have really never met a person in their life

594
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,759
that is a gay person. Because if you have one friend,

595
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:42,480
one coworker that you know that is a gay person,

596
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,240
and you go, okay, well that doesn't change my opinion

597
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,359
of them. There's still my work friend, there's still my buddy,

598
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,079
there's still my friend's brother sister. Then you do start

599
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:54,480
to shift your opinion because you're like, wow, okay, that

600
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,240
is a person of a normal, whole life who's just

601
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,599
like me, So why shouldn't they have the same rights

602
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:01,839
as me. You know that when you have somebody in

603
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,839
your life, your opinion can shift and you can see.

604
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: You can have more empathy and understanding. I suppose when

605
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:18,759
you when it's closer to you. But yeah, it's butt

606
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,920
Like I mean, homophobia is like there, it can be

607
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,759
a real phobia. And so for some people it's they're taught,

608
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,400
like hate and bigotry is taught, you know, it's passed

609
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,920
down through generations. You're not born not liking people who

610
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,000
have more melanin in their skin or you know, have

611
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:42,279
a different orientation. And so I think that's the pervasive issue,

612
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,680
is that the people who are teaching us things. But like,

613
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,240
you know, for me, for example, growing up, I grew

614
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,400
up with a very hateful father, and I remember being

615
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,119
little and being like that ain't right, you know, but like,

616
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:01,759
not everybody has that ability. I remember being like a

617
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:06,880
little kid being like this man ain't right. But I

618
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,200
think that I just was like born this way. I

619
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,640
just like came out of the room with like two

620
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,079
middle fingers. So I think that for some people it's

621
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,400
just innately understood, and for others they have to have

622
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,559
more of a personal experience. I personally don't understand what

623
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,960
upsets people and makes them care so much. It doesn't

624
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160
impact them at all. But I could go on about

625
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,920
that for a millennium.

626
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,759
Speaker 1: Well, I can remember one time my husband saying to

627
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,359
me when we were first dating something that you know,

628
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,839
this was in ninety nine or two thousands, a long

629
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,799
time ago, and something was said somebody about gay marriage

630
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,319
or something, and he goes, I don't understand why anybody

631
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:47,559
would care about gay marriage. If you're not gay, why

632
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,279
do you care who gets married? Like nobody's going to

633
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:52,640
force you to marry a gay person. He's like, Hey,

634
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,519
I don't understand why other people have opinions about gay marriage.

635
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,160
It don't get gay married, Like it doesn't affect you.

636
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Like I remember thinking like, all right, this is my man.

637
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:02,799
This is a man, forward thinking.

638
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,519
Speaker 2: You know, Like I was like, it's like that's a

639
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:05,160
great point.

640
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love us a smart tolerant man. That's right.

641
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, I just don't even understand why

642
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,160
anybody would care about why other people who they marry,

643
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,599
you know. Yeah, okay, let's let's move on to another

644
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:23,799
topic that is in our news, which is Gina Koh

645
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,920
has come out she has a tongue cancer that this

646
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,960
spread to the olympos and I'm not sure what the

647
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:36,920
cancer diagnosis is now, but she has a cancer diagnosis now.

648
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,319
She of course is one of our original OC housewives

649
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,519
and uh, you know well beloved and kind.

650
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,759
Speaker 2: Of has popped in through the decades or whatever.

651
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,039
Speaker 1: People are a little upset that she started a gofund

652
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,599
me because she is has a wealthy family and her

653
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,119
children are doing just fine. So people are sort of

654
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,519
upset that somebody who has the means is out there

655
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,400
asking for money for help. I kind of didn't think

656
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,039
about it. I'm not going to donate to it, so

657
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,440
it didn't occur to me that people would be upset

658
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,639
about it. But I have seen people are like, it's

659
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,039
kind of gross that they're out here going on vacations

660
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,639
to Tahiti and now asking for money for her health

661
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:21,119
care bills.

662
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: Now, we do know that healthcare.

663
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,639
Speaker 1: You more than anybody know that healthcare in this country

664
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,199
is extremely expensive, and she's doing cancer treatments that perhaps

665
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,320
whatever insurance she has is not going to cover. But

666
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,559
people are like, well, then her kids should be helping her.

667
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,800
Why are they putting out of gofund me. And I'm like, well, also,

668
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,679
like why do you care? Just like donate to it

669
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,559
or don't you know?

670
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: Well, right, just like what we said, It's like, if

671
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,880
you don't want to donate, that's fine. But one thing

672
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,480
I can explain, so you are aware of this. But

673
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,239
I'm a two time cancer survivor. So when I was seventeen,

674
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,719
I had ovarian cancer that I wasn't supposed to survive, chemotherapy,

675
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,519
multiple surgeries, blah blah blah, the whole thing. Now I'm

676
00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:00,480
living with a chronic cancer called chronic emphasisic leukemia, and

677
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:03,840
I'm actually I was just telling you before that I

678
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,719
have to start another infusion. So I'm on immunotherapy and

679
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,440
I'm going to be on another immunotherapy. And so the

680
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,159
reason why I share all this is that I call

681
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:14,199
myself a professional patient, and what that means is I

682
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,079
understand the healthcare system in ways that are horrifying but realistic.

683
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,840
And what people don't want to understand or believe is

684
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,000
that being a cancer patient in this country can bankrupt you.

685
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,599
It shouldn't, there's no reason why it should have to,

686
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,199
but it does because especially for types of cancers like

687
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,199
I don't know specifically. What I can tell you is

688
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,639
with a tong cancer, if it's in the lymphoes, that

689
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,679
means that it's moved to other places in the body.

690
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,480
That means it's definitely past stage one. It's more advanced.

691
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,719
And when you have a cancer that's not your norm,

692
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:55,360
or a little bit tougher to treat, a little bit

693
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,400
more aggressive. You have to act quickly, and you have

694
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:02,039
to do things that are dramatic, and sometimes that comes

695
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,960
with a very hefty price tag. People can work their

696
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,760
whole lives, have millions of dollars, work, work, work, do

697
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,280
the right thing, and still become bankrupted by medical bills

698
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,599
and treatment. So I guess, on the one hand, I

699
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,199
just want to advocate for folks who don't understand that

700
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,199
even you could be rich, you could be a multimillionaire,

701
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:28,000
and you get one diagnosis that let's say you need

702
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,039
something your insurance won't cover it, Well, do you die

703
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,000
or do you go into debt to pay for what

704
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,119
you need? And these are really seriously hard decisions that

705
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,360
people are having to make. So I just think people

706
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,280
don't understand. But also like, yeah, like you said, if

707
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,519
you don't want to donate, you think it's silly, that's fine,

708
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,159
but let her live and do her thing. I think

709
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:50,039
because I get it, you know, I get it.

710
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just thought it was interesting that it was

711
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:57,920
such a hot topic because it just didn't when it

712
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,000
came across I was like oh wow, Like, I'm sorry

713
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,119
for her. Now, I will tell you something interesting in

714
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:06,519
my in my ninety day world, there's a couple Kenny

715
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:10,440
and Armando, and they've been married like seven years, and

716
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,559
so Armando years ago over state of Visa in this

717
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,639
in the state, so he's never been able to come

718
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,199
to the ninety States since they've been married.

719
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: So they live in Mexico.

720
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,639
Speaker 1: They live like right over the border, like right in

721
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:27,360
like the Baja Mexico California border area. And Kenny runs

722
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,280
I mean sorry, Armando runs like a doggy grooming daycare company,

723
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,760
and you know, Kenny works there with him, and Armando

724
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,320
has a daughter from his first marriage, Hannah. Well, like

725
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,480
I said, they've been together at least ten years at

726
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,440
this point, because they've been married like seven and they've

727
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,320
been on thirty shows, and they are just a staple

728
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:47,719
in the.

729
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm familiar. Yeah, that's how I'm familiar with them,

730
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,679
because if they're like a staple in that world, I've

731
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,440
definitely watched some. I think they're wonderful people. They're just

732
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,840
they're wonderful humans.

733
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they had to you know, they were getting

734
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,800
gay married in Mexico and they had to like go

735
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,880
to another.

736
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,119
Speaker 2: Jurisdiction to even get it approved. And we followed all that.

737
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: It was very you know, it's a very interesting story

738
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,239
and how they found each other on like a Facebook

739
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,599
group for gay dads, and you know, it's just and

740
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,960
there's a big there is a big age difference there.

741
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:20,559
Kenny's in his sixties and Armando is in his thirties.

742
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,760
But they've been together all this time. So Armando, we've

743
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,159
been following his journey trying to get a visa, a

744
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:30,840
spousal visa to go over to the States because Kenny,

745
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,840
you know, can he's got grandchildren now and wants to

746
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,800
be in the state some more, just to be.

747
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,159
Speaker 2: Able to freely go back and forth.

748
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,159
Speaker 1: And he's denied again, and they said something about the

749
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:43,800
age difference. Of course, they're like, we've been on TV

750
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,840
together for ten years, we've been married for seven, Like

751
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,159
it's not you know. So his daughter Hannah got very

752
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,320
sick and he said he was looking. She called him

753
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,880
and said, I don't feel well, and he went over

754
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,440
to where she was. They were in Mexico, and you

755
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,599
see all her whole side of her face is drooping.

756
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: She's like fourteen years old.

757
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: Oh my God, and her speech was slurred and so

758
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,559
he immediately they immediately called an ambulance and the hospital

759
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:14,559
there where they were immediately airlifted her to Phoenix, Arizona.

760
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: Oh.

761
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:19,039
Speaker 2: So his mother, her grandmother.

762
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,159
Speaker 1: Was able to go with her because she has you know,

763
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,440
a passport or whatever, it could go. But because Armando,

764
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,880
the dad, the biological dad, Kenny's also the dad has

765
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,320
been denied several times now, so he couldn't go. Meanwhile,

766
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,119
Kenny was in Florida or somewhere visiting his family. He

767
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:39,920
was already in the state, so he was able to

768
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,360
get to Hannah. So Hannah had her mom, I mean,

769
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,159
Hannah had her grandmom and Kenny her other dad there,

770
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,320
but Armando could not get there and she doesn't have

771
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,519
a momm The mother died.

772
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,199
Speaker 3: So my heart.

773
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: So they literally got you know, people were calling and

774
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,079
they were trying to get like an emergency visa for

775
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:04,519
him to be able to go over, and it finally worked.

776
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:11,840
Mark Kelly, who is either from Arizona maybe Arizona maybe congressman. Anyway,

777
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,719
Mark Kelly came through and another congresswoman came through got

778
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,320
him this visa. But then they just posted all the

779
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,960
update about it about she's gonna have to stay in

780
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,599
Phoenix for a while because they're trying to figure out

781
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:26,039
why she had a brain bleed. She had a brain

782
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,800
bleed and they're trying to figure out why, like, oh,

783
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,920
how did it happen? So she has to stay in Phoenix.

784
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:36,320
But Armando's visa runs out on Sunday, so he'll have

785
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,639
to leave her again, right.

786
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,599
Speaker 3: But also what you're talking about, this is what people

787
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:44,960
don't realize about medical issues. When you have a loved

788
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,039
one in the hospital and they're in there for months,

789
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:50,519
you don't you have to pay for housing for you know,

790
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,920
for yourself, for food, for to take care of yourself

791
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,320
and this other person while they're in the situation. There's

792
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,000
so much that an insurance will not cover. But those

793
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,440
are just like added expenses. But my god, that is

794
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,199
so sad.

795
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: So they set up a gofund me, and of course

796
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,079
immediately they didn't set it up, their friends set it

797
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,519
up for them, and immediately it was just through the

798
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:11,599
roof with donations.

799
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Because they are so like beloved.

800
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: And on TV and kind of currently always around their

801
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,599
own occurrencies in ninety day diaries right now, going through

802
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,599
this visa process with Armando, and they put out like

803
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,000
a three part video where they're both just like sobbing,

804
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,039
like thanking the people that gave them money because now

805
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,920
they're going to be trying to fight this visa things.

806
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,519
Armando doesn't have to go back to let him stay

807
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:39,679
medically with his daughter. And then also this astronomical medical

808
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,239
bills are going to be paying.

809
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: Oh asked when it's brainstuff. And this is what people

810
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,719
do not understand. Here's my message to people listening. If

811
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,440
people are more mad that people have to do gofundmes,

812
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:56,880
then you are at the government for requiring that that

813
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,320
healthcare is so inaccessible, it's so expensive to regular joes

814
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,119
that that's what we should be mad at. We should

815
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,159
be mad at the gofund means. We should be mad

816
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,760
that this is the system that we're living in, because

817
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,719
that's disgusting.

818
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because people are like, oh, well they're on TV.

819
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,440
I'm like, they're not on They're not the Lee's on

820
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:18,320
the Walking Dead, do you know what I mean? Like,

821
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,400
they're not in Game of Thrones. They're not.

822
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,679
Speaker 2: They don't they are on a you know.

823
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: My joke always is like everybody wants that sweet, sweet

824
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,440
Matt Sharp money because Matt Sharp, but they make nothing

825
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,719
and even though they've been on all these years, they're

826
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,360
not I mean they're making a few thousand dollars per season.

827
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,440
I mean Armado fully has a business and Kenny helps them,

828
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,679
and you know they most most of the ninety to

829
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,440
eight people have regular, full time jobs. They're not like

830
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,559
housewives or like my job is to be a reality

831
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:51,800
TV star. So in that case, I posted it, and

832
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,559
I'm like, you know, if any if you if you

833
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:56,239
can donate, if you can't, don't.

834
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: Feel bad about it. So it's very it's very interesting.

835
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:03,079
Speaker 1: The the dichotomy between how people feel about donating to

836
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:08,639
Gina Kio versus these two guys, because it's verse faived

837
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,000
that she has so much money and it's perceived that

838
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:14,119
they probably don't have the money to pay for it.

839
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,679
Speaker 3: You know, that's right, And so to your point, it's

840
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,960
all about perception and the general public because of parasocial relationships.

841
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,800
We humans, we tend to think that we know way

842
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,960
more about people than we do. People could be on

843
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,960
The Walking Dead, they could be making a ton of money.

844
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,159
We don't know how much they have, what they do

845
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:36,079
with it, how they manage it. And then you add

846
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:39,519
to that the fact that healthcare is just it's it's

847
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:45,440
a broken, disgusting system. I mean I could easily, Like

848
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,960
what scares me the most is I know that at

849
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,960
any point if my stuff gets out of control and

850
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,880
to try to save my life, I mean, I could

851
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,320
easily bankrupt my own family. And we've done everything right,

852
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,840
you know, and so but I think that's it's interesting

853
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,440
that our perception is reality because if you don't have

854
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,119
a problem with like certain people doing it, but then

855
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:06,960
you do have a problem with certain people doing it,

856
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,960
it's like we should just be more mad that this

857
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:09,639
is the system.

858
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's exactly that's Yeah, it's very interesting and

859
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:17,519
sort of the whole like people talking about how hot

860
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,760
the Luigi Mantiuni, like, well he's so hot, I'm like,

861
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,920
he still killed somebody. Yeah, you know, like I can't say, like, Okay,

862
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,000
the healthcare system is great, but let's don't go around

863
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,239
murdering people. I don't really think that.

864
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, let me be clear, that's

865
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:37,360
not the answer. I like, and I get it because

866
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:41,159
the you know, the person from United Healthcare, which by

867
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,079
the way, they still suck. You know, it's like their

868
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,719
CEOs want to have beach houses, and then people are

869
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,920
getting denied anti nausea medication for chemotherapy. That's what we're

870
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,519
talking about here. We're talking about people being denied that.

871
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,280
But the system needs to change, right, we need to

872
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,760
advocate for the system to be changed. Isn't going to

873
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,159
do anything other than sensationalize it and then have nothing changed,

874
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:09,639
which is exactly what's happened. So yeah, I you know,

875
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,000
I get the anger and I get the frustration, but

876
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,559
we are responsible for our behaviors and our actions, and

877
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,559
that is I understand it. There have been times where

878
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:21,559
I've been unhinged and walked out of a doctor's appointment

879
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,400
yelling like a maniac. Yeah, I've been unhinged, But you

880
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,440
gotta you gotta manage your shit, you know.

881
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,679
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I tell you speaking to people that

882
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,119
may be unhinged, I mean, we're so many, so many

883
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,159
people that are unhinged. But Taylor Frankie Paul as a

884
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:42,039
from a therapist standpoint, if you were her therapist.

885
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:45,159
Speaker 2: What would you tell her? Should she? Should?

886
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: She?

887
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,639
Speaker 2: Her job is to be a social media person. That's

888
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:50,880
her job. That was her job before.

889
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:53,199
Speaker 1: Even Mormon wives. That's how she had. That was how

890
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,840
she started her career. So that's what she knows. And

891
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,559
she feels the need to dispute recent single, tiny little thing,

892
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,559
whether it's in court or perceived or this and that

893
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,440
and the other. And a lot of people are like,

894
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,639
she should just completely go away for like six months

895
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,039
work on herself, and I'm like, but her job is

896
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:18,199
to be in social media, right, So what's your thought

897
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:19,519
on that as a therapist?

898
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,679
Speaker 3: Oy? I actually just talked about this because I had

899
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,159
Caitlin Marshall on my podcast that came out yesterday. If

900
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,000
you want to listen to that, it's up now at

901
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:32,960
your Bish Therapist podcast. We talked about this because Caitlin

902
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,440
is in that TikTok world. She's connected to like the

903
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:41,960
Mormon Wives crew and things like that. And so I

904
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:48,440
believe that Taylor and Dakota were both abusive to each other. Yeah,

905
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:54,320
And I believe that they both participated in a really toxic,

906
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:59,760
unhealthy relationship that for me gives me flavors of like

907
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:05,239
a love addiction. When you see people who go into recovery.

908
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,519
So Dakota said that he's sober. If you go into

909
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,760
recovery and you don't do the work, it's going to

910
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,559
come out sideways, and so I think that their drug

911
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:20,719
of choice is each other. And I think that for

912
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,880
like Taylor, she will repeat relational patterns that she's not

913
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,360
willing to address. So I guess as if I were

914
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,880
her therapist, I would ask her to kind of like,

915
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,599
what do you think your role in all of this

916
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,480
is right? Because I understand that sometimes trauma happens to us.

917
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:47,159
We can't change it, we can't help it, but trauma

918
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,760
may not be our responsibility, like we didn't cause it,

919
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,519
but it's our responsibility to fix if that makes sense, right,

920
00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:57,960
especially for the next generation of our family and things

921
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,280
like that. So for Taylor, my concern with her, she's

922
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,960
always pointing the finger at other people. So Taylor seems

923
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,679
to have these chronic relational issues, which essentially means that like,

924
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,039
it's not that she just happens upon these people who

925
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:17,239
are treating her poorly, she's choosing people. And I think

926
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,679
that's tough for trauma survivors, including myself. Right, I have

927
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,719
picked people to be in my life based on what

928
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,599
I thought and felt about myself, and I ended up

929
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:31,760
picking people who were emotionally neglectful and it wasn't like

930
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,519
I'm a bad person making those decisions. It was like

931
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:38,239
when we let trauma lit us. Sometimes we pick people

932
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,920
who mirror our wounds in ways that are just really

933
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,480
not good, you know. And so I think that for

934
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,679
her it would serve her to say, Okay, let's put

935
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,400
down the finger pointing and the blaming and the this

936
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,679
and the that, and let's look at for you, what

937
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,719
do you need to do different to get yourself healthier

938
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,719
and like number one, and then to be with someone

939
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,079
healthier number two. People have this big belief that like

940
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:09,320
you can't like you have to deal with your own

941
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,599
ship before you can date someone, And if that was

942
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,320
the case, all of us would be single forever because

943
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,800
like when have you, Like, no one's ever fully healed.

944
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,480
It's not like a achievement. You ring the bell and

945
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:24,480
you're done. So yeah, right, I think it's one of

946
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,440
those things. It's like, she does need to do better,

947
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,679
make better decisions for herself and for her family, and

948
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,119
she won't be able to do that if she continues

949
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:36,559
to just look at all the way she's been aggrieved

950
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:38,679
and not her own piece, if that makes sense.

951
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so rough because there's you know, kids there,

952
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,360
and you just like, you just you just want her

953
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:47,719
to be better.

954
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: And I don't know why.

955
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,079
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about her that make

956
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:53,440
you know, that makes us just like and then you know,

957
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,239
and then she's got all the other mom talk. People

958
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,719
go on and talk shit about her, and then she

959
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,480
talks about them, and then it's like are they Yes,

960
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:01,719
at one point they really were friends, and now you've

961
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,639
got the fame, and I don't know, like, if she

962
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:06,440
put out a GoFundMe, would people donate?

963
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: You know, Oh my god, that's a great question. I'm

964
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,239
sure that they would, because that's the thing she's now.

965
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,519
What I worry about with her fans is like the

966
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,960
toxic fandom that will just be an echo chamber of

967
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:22,360
your right, Taylor, you're the queen. Yeah, can do no wrong.

968
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,559
That doesn't serve us, That doesn't serve us at all.

969
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,239
Taylor does need to do better for her and her kids,

970
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,599
and I hope that she's able to. And now in

971
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:36,280
terms of like going offline, I just don't know. I

972
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,760
think that could be healthy for her because at the

973
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,559
same hand, could she have some sort of like internet

974
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:47,159
use issue. So they're in the DSM, there are now

975
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:52,639
kind of diagnoses around technology, because technology, internet, social media,

976
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,000
that can be as addictive as literally a drug.

977
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:55,599
Speaker 1: As anything else.

978
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, as we know. I mean, you know, obviously,

979
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,920
like I can't amait having her number of followers. But

980
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,960
it's like when you have millions of people in an

981
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,639
echo chamber telling you that you're fabulous. Well, sometimes that

982
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:11,360
can inflate your ego and your sense of like victimhood,

983
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:13,880
and that's just not going to serve her either. So

984
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,480
while I think it would be good for her to

985
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:18,679
walk away, does that seem realistic? Probably not. And also

986
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,960
she's got to make money. I mean, she does have

987
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,519
to support her family, and so you know, I do

988
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:27,159
understand that. But either way, I don't care what she does.

989
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:28,719
She's just got to do something different.

990
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, God bless.

991
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: Okay, let me see if there's anything else I want

992
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,719
to chat with you about. We have to quickly chat

993
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,960
about The Valley because I'm obsessed, and I know I'm

994
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,440
like one of the only people in the world.

995
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,559
Speaker 2: I think it's a great show.

996
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,159
Speaker 1: I'm very concerned it's gonna get canceled because I really

997
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:45,519
like it, and.

998
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: You should be at this point. You should be concerned

999
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,480
because it's I mean, it's bad. It's bad, very bad.

1000
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: Do you think it's bad because it's so dark?

1001
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: Yes, well I was so. You were on my podcast

1002
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,079
a couple of weeks ago and you had kind of

1003
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:04,320
have turned my page about maybe it's not as dark

1004
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,679
as I think. And then we had the most recent

1005
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:12,360
episode where everyone was questioning Janet and I was just like, Yeah,

1006
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,840
it took the wind right out of my sails. It

1007
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,760
felt so dark and gross and inappropriate that I was

1008
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,599
just like, Oh, this is bad. It's bad.

1009
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: Well, I think let me tell you what if this

1010
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,960
show is canceled, Lacey's out of here. She's like, She's like,

1011
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,480
I'm only yeah, I'm only only with you to be

1012
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:34,079
on this show.

1013
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me shoot again.

1014
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: For the Real Housewives of OC, the reason I think

1015
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,760
it is so good is because they, especially with like

1016
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,840
Kristin and Luke, they do sort of come to a

1017
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,440
conflict resolution with her trying to explain to him, you know,

1018
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:51,480
sort of what she's going through, and she does seem

1019
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:54,320
to be doing much better. But what was really sort

1020
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,400
of in the news this week was they did showed

1021
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,800
clips all for the internet. That's like about the after show,

1022
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,719
which I don't watch and Danny saying he had been

1023
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,119
not watch porn in six years, and everybody's like, wow,

1024
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,400
it was as if he said, you know that he

1025
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,039
had been sober for six years or something. Now, he

1026
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,639
didn't say he had a porn addiction and that he

1027
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,519
had gotten himself clean from that, and that would be

1028
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:26,480
something else, that it would be like a sex addiction

1029
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,760
and he shouldn't be proud of him.

1030
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,159
Speaker 2: But he didn't say that.

1031
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,679
Speaker 1: He just said, you know, six years ago he decided

1032
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,559
that he would no longer watch porn, and then sort

1033
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,199
of indicates he and Nia had made a tape that

1034
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,360
he would watch. And then, of course Kristen, who's so

1035
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,960
far up, Nia's asked for no reason, we don't understand.

1036
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:48,920
She just really hits herself to that wagon. Chris is like,

1037
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,840
Nia is just such a rock star. I mean, she's

1038
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,000
so amazing. I was like, that's what you got from that,

1039
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,239
Danny hasn't watched porn in six years, So Nia's a.

1040
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: Rock star, Like yeah, what it's what she made a

1041
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,119
sex tape for him and maybe she didn't want to.

1042
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: That makes her rock starting now now, she's amazing. Anyway,

1043
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,199
Danny just just continues to give me every ick that

1044
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,840
has been known to man. I hate him, and of

1045
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,719
course I've talked a million times about it's a personal

1046
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,480
trigger for me because if his behavior because I am

1047
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:25,920
married to a recovering alcoholic coming up on twelve years,

1048
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,920
and it doesn't matter if it was twelve years ago,

1049
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,400
it's I still remember. I still remember these behaviors of

1050
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,480
the hiding and the lying, and then I didn't do that,

1051
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,119
and then Nia's behavior reminds me a lot of myself

1052
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:44,960
of the protecting and the shielding. Never in any history

1053
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,559
of time have I ever stood between my husband and

1054
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,679
somebody else that was trying to like confront him about

1055
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:50,119
his drinking.

1056
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 2: I'd be like, go ahead, maybe you could talk some.

1057
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: Self where You'd be like please go ahead, yeah, please,

1058
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:56,119
I'll be over here.

1059
00:54:56,679 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: Help me out, Yeah, help me out. So I I.

1060
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: Don't want it to get canceled.

1061
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,559
Speaker 1: I want him to give it.

1062
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 2: Come on.

1063
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:11,159
Speaker 3: I mean, it's okay. Here's why I think it has

1064
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,559
crossed the line for me into super problematic is that

1065
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:18,440
you have a group of people who they're not really

1066
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,440
authentically friends clearly. I mean, these people hate each other.

1067
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: Uh, some of them are, some of them are from

1068
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,599
back in the day. I mean Janet has been around,

1069
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,840
course all has Janet has been in that Kristin Vanderpump

1070
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,519
Rules with Shorts and everybody and Lalla for years, as

1071
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:38,440
has Jasmine. They've all been around, and then Zach has

1072
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:43,000
always been around. Now the Danny, Nia, Michelle, Jesse, Lacy,

1073
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:46,760
that is sort of a new addition to right, yeah.

1074
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,039
Speaker 3: Right, But that's what I mean is that Kristin and

1075
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:53,679
Luke and Danny and Nia and Jesse and Lacy are

1076
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,760
like aligning into this like superpower where they clearly just

1077
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,039
don't want Janet around and they're trying to So for me,

1078
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:06,360
what it crossed the line into horribly dark when like

1079
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:11,599
when it's triggering viewers. That's my that's my issue when

1080
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,760
there's a Bravo show that's literally triggering viewers who we

1081
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,920
either have been essayed and haven't been believed or who

1082
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:25,480
have seen, you know, been in relationship issues with I'm sorry,

1083
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:29,039
the who have been in relationships with people who have

1084
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:32,360
addiction issues and things like that. But I think when

1085
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:39,920
when Danny was getting the group to question Janet's experience.

1086
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,599
Speaker 1: For me, I.

1087
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I'm not even the biggest Janet Fan.

1088
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,400
I'm not saying like I don't know her, right, we've

1089
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,079
never talked. I don't DM her, but I just refuse

1090
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,679
to accept that someone could share their experience and then

1091
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,400
a group of people on TV can be like, yeah,

1092
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,159
I think this is convenient. I mean, they basically were

1093
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,960
saying without saying, I think she's lying. And you know

1094
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,119
why this matters is because when I posted about it

1095
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:11,079
on my page, there were a ton of people who

1096
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,440
came into the comments who were like, Janet's lying.

1097
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: Don't worry.

1098
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,119
Speaker 3: They got blocked because if you're going to do that,

1099
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:18,440
you don't belong on my page. We don't do that

1100
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:21,519
on my page, because you can do that on that page.

1101
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,199
Speaker 1: Janet's lying, Like, that's a pretty specific story to make up.

1102
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:30,960
Like she's not lying. I mean that obviously, it never

1103
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,960
occurred to me that she's lying. She obviously is telling

1104
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,760
from the heart something very traumatic that happened to her,

1105
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,639
and she's trying to explain to La La, who hates

1106
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:43,679
Danny anyway, to be like this is why I can't

1107
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:46,639
say sorry to him for using those specific words. The

1108
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:51,039
specific words are the issue that she said he's sexually

1109
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:55,159
assaulted Jasmine. Now in my opinion, as just a regular

1110
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:58,480
person walking into the world with no degrees in psychotherapy

1111
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,119
or any sort of medical feing or police work, can

1112
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:06,719
tell you that if somebody grabs your ass, that is

1113
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:07,519
sexual assault.

1114
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:10,719
Speaker 2: They have grabbed your body part. It would be no different.

1115
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,719
Speaker 1: If he honked or mob you know. Yeah, so he

1116
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,400
grabbed her ass, that is sexual assault. Those are the

1117
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,760
correct words. And I guess because they're trying to be

1118
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,239
like we were all in a bar and it was

1119
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,559
a joking situation. Well, Melissa didn't like it, didn't ask

1120
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:30,519
for it, and she doesn't speak much, but Jasmine has

1121
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:34,639
tried to stick up for her fiance and so for

1122
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,880
Janet to say, that's why I won't say I'm sorry

1123
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,840
for using those words, because I didn't know that that's

1124
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,960
what happened to me. I didn't know to use those words.

1125
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:43,960
But I've educated myself and I know that that was

1126
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,760
the correct word. So I want I'm a one per

1127
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,159
team Janet, and I appreciated that she explained it to

1128
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:54,880
Laala because Laala does come across holier than thou or narcissistant,

1129
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,679
but you can see Laala at the end of the

1130
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,880
day is a girl's girl. And is listening to jan

1131
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:04,880
and taking it in probably in her mind going through

1132
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,840
something that she probably is also experienced.

1133
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:11,559
Speaker 3: So many women have experiment yes, right, And that's what

1134
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:14,599
is making me wild, is that a lot of the

1135
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,719
comments I'll get is why are we still talking about this?

1136
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,440
And it's like, why are we still talking about someone

1137
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:25,960
being sexually assaulted? Are you asking that as a serious question?

1138
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,840
Like I just the lack of humanity in the bravosphere

1139
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,440
sometimes is just it will really knock my socks off

1140
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,400
because and not only that, people are like I've had

1141
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,920
to block I've told you this multiple times more people

1142
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:44,320
in the last couple months than in the last few

1143
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,480
years over Danny Buco. There is something about these people,

1144
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:53,559
and Kristin and Luke have bought into that, whatever that means.

1145
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,440
And I think that Kristen's probably gonna regret it because

1146
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,199
it's like, oh, yeah, how are you gonna say that

1147
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,000
you wish people would have believed you, but now you're

1148
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:08,559
gonna question Janet's timing. Kristin did that. I you know,

1149
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,519
I've seen both sides of the fandom about Kristin, but

1150
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,719
for me, I'm gonna be honest. She completely lost me

1151
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,440
last episode. You cannot claim to be an advocate and

1152
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:24,039
ally a support for marginalized groups when you just don't

1153
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,320
like Janet and now are trying to weaponize and say

1154
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,719
she's lying. It's like that's and people will parse, parse

1155
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,119
through semantics about like, well, no one said lie, and

1156
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:39,519
it's like, uh, okay, we understand what the intimation is.

1157
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,880
The what Danny and Luke whatever was trying to say,

1158
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,920
we're not idiots. We understand what that means. And for

1159
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,159
Kristin to hang her hat on that and Lazy, by

1160
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:53,360
the way, Lazy has a podcast dedicated to survivors of

1161
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:58,800
domestic abuse and she is sitting there questioning in it,

1162
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,880
and I'm like, what like? And that's the thing for me,

1163
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:06,000
as a passionate supporter as you can hear of victims

1164
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,639
and survivors, I'm never gonna questions anyone's story. It's not

1165
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,159
our job. It's not my job, it's not the Bravo

1166
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,960
Versus job to legitimize Janet or not. She doesn't need

1167
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:19,159
us to do that. She's already legitimized because she told

1168
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:21,559
us her story. She doesn't need us to give it

1169
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,880
the stamp of approval. And that's what I think is

1170
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,679
so shitty about fans? Is that, like, why are we

1171
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,119
so narcissistic to believe that we know more about her

1172
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:33,360
life than her? That's wacky.

1173
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's wacky. I think people just kind of

1174
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,320
got on the I hate Janet train, and so now

1175
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,760
they're on it. So no matter what, they're going to

1176
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,360
stay on it, they're going to stick with it. And

1177
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,760
I do think Kristen's going to regret she could still

1178
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,039
not be a fan of Janet for whatever their past

1179
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,159
history is for the past fifteen years. They can still

1180
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,079
not be friends. But in this situation, you don't need

1181
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:56,800
to hop on that. I don't like Janet train. I

1182
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,400
don't know if she's telling the truth because you're so

1183
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,119
so so up Danny and Nia's ass like it's not

1184
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:05,800
going to turn out well for you. You know, Danny

1185
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,920
and Ya are not fan favorites like you thought they

1186
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,320
would be, you know.

1187
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,199
Speaker 3: And now Kristen and Luke are not fan favorites either

1188
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,880
because of how they've been behaving. And I just think, well, well, well,

1189
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,159
if it isn't the consequences of your actions, I have

1190
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,480
no who would have ever thought that Laala would be

1191
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:27,239
saving the Valley number one and number two would be

1192
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,880
the voice of reason because as you and I talked about,

1193
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,400
as a sober woman, she is clear headed, she sees

1194
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,199
things for how they are. She knows what's going on

1195
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,000
in this group, and she has her finger on the

1196
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:40,960
pulse in La La we trust.

1197
01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's wild. I love sober Lalla. And you

1198
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,400
know she was on Watch What Happens a lot recently.

1199
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,159
They asked her about the Sheena of it all and

1200
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,360
like how she's just like not going to say why

1201
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,119
she and Sheena aren't friends. And I do know a

1202
01:02:56,199 --> 01:03:02,000
little bit about that from some sources air quote, And

1203
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:04,320
I do think it would be kind of interesting if

1204
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,400
Sheena comes back, because I think she was like, I

1205
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,519
got to take a break from these people. I'm just

1206
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:12,039
gonna watch my husband, who also is problematic, you know,

1207
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:15,920
build things in my driveway for a season. But if

1208
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,159
the show comes back, and I think they're trying to

1209
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:20,320
breathe some life into it, I think they will bring

1210
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:22,960
Sheena back. And then if there's a Shena and La

1211
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:26,360
La you know problem, that is good because they do

1212
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:29,679
have houses next door to each other, and yeah, yeah,

1213
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,400
and they are They were best rider diyes and now

1214
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,159
they're not and get Danny Nia out of here. We

1215
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:38,480
don't need the Santa Clarita twelve for how many kids

1216
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,800
they have, we don't need them all.

1217
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,039
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, here's the crazy thing. Nia's been

1218
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:48,800
on this press tour now because she does her codependency dodgeball,

1219
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,079
where now she takes the hits for Danny. She you know,

1220
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:54,679
she was on Fox News talking about the secret to

1221
01:03:54,719 --> 01:04:00,360
a Healthy marriage and I was like, oh no, what

1222
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:03,199
she was? She was on Fox News talking about the

1223
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:04,599
secrets to healthy marriage?

1224
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: M hm? Does just okay? Does she did she reveal

1225
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:09,800
what it is?

1226
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:10,679
Speaker 2: Is it?

1227
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: Because you know, I couldn't bring myself to watch it,

1228
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,360
if I'm being honest, not even for one second. I

1229
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,599
really I was like, whatever bullshit is about to spew

1230
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:22,760
out of this? I can't. I cannot listen to it.

1231
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,440
I just think that she's doing her pageant thing. She's masking,

1232
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,800
She's trying to put on this facade because you know,

1233
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:35,559
they thought that this was going to go another way,

1234
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,079
and you know, the fans are seeing them for who

1235
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,360
they are. But there was one really interesting part where

1236
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,480
Danny when he was going to get his vasectomy and

1237
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:48,400
he was mad that Nia like had the had the

1238
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,559
nerve to work while he had to get this seven

1239
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:57,159
minute elective procedure, which, by the way, you know, I've

1240
01:04:57,239 --> 01:05:01,159
had biopsies and things without any sort of numbing at all,

1241
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:03,360
and so I would just like to note the privilege

1242
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,440
that Danny experienced getting all the healthcare.

1243
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: Let me just point that out, okay.

1244
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:14,719
Speaker 3: But Danny said, well, you know, I like for my

1245
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:18,199
woman to take care of me, and he just made

1246
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:21,320
this face and I took a screenshot of it on TV.

1247
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,199
I never did anything with it, but I was like,

1248
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,920
this is the smug look of a man who really

1249
01:05:28,159 --> 01:05:32,599
just wants Nia to buy this. You're a second class

1250
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:36,679
citizen in this house. Your body is feeding our children,

1251
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,480
it's keeping them alive, it brought them here, and now

1252
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:41,760
you also need to take care of me, and this

1253
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,159
is what our religion says, is okay. So I just

1254
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:50,000
think there's it's very inequitable, and Danny seems to love that,

1255
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,800
which is again red flag red flag, red flag redlo.

1256
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: I do believe that the job she was going to

1257
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,559
was probably paying for his surgery, and I do think

1258
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,679
she makes the most money. And also if it was

1259
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:04,960
such a big deal. Why didn't you just change the

1260
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:08,559
date when she was right? Because it's elective.

1261
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 3: It's elective. He could have done this whenever he wanted

1262
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,920
to do it, but I think he probably wanted to

1263
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,760
do it on film so that he could, you know,

1264
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:23,320
complain and woe is me and poor me. But it's

1265
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,679
really going, it's really going the opposite direction.

1266
01:06:26,679 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: My husband had of a sectomy, came home, sat around

1267
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,960
with peas on you know, frozen peas on the.

1268
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,199
Speaker 2: Balls for a couple of days, watching football, and went

1269
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:35,960
right back to work.

1270
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,119
Speaker 1: It was fine, you know, And he had a complication

1271
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,039
of some sort.

1272
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was.

1273
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:41,199
Speaker 1: I didn't care.

1274
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: Sorry, I had two c sections.

1275
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? Okay?

1276
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: All the women who their bodies have been just ravaged

1277
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,920
and destroyed by you know, children, and then the men

1278
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,519
are like, oh, I had a minor day of pain.

1279
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,320
And it's like, sir, please, you're fucking yeah.

1280
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,079
Speaker 1: I will say that that all the men in my life,

1281
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,480
everybody has had a vasectomy, because I mean the women

1282
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:10,639
are just like, oh really okay, Well then no, mo're sex.

1283
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:11,599
I mean it's pretty easy.

1284
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:13,639
Speaker 2: We could. We're tired of being on birth control. So

1285
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:14,440
now it's your turn.

1286
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,079
Speaker 3: You know, that's exactly right, And I love that for

1287
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:19,960
your family, Mary Paine, I love it. I just love

1288
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:21,719
every single bit about that.

1289
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:23,519
Speaker 2: I said to my husband.

1290
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: And the other option is I can go back under

1291
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:28,400
the knife and have my tubes tied. Now, would you

1292
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,039
like me to have a third surgery? He's like no,

1293
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,079
Like right, You're.

1294
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 3: Like, that's the right answer.

1295
01:07:36,599 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago. I will tell you, guys,

1296
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:42,679
goo that when the whole thing about Danny saying about

1297
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:46,559
the porn and stuff. The conversation got started because you

1298
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:51,480
have to have thirty five ejaculations after the vasectomy to

1299
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,840
get all the sperm out. That's how the conversation started.

1300
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,119
But let me tell you something. My sister's husband, they

1301
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:04,559
had three sons. They were they were four to two

1302
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:05,519
and zero.

1303
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: And her husband had a sectomy. Guess what, she had

1304
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:11,960
another baby.

1305
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: No, Oh, it worked. He just didn't go back because

1306
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,760
you go back for a follow up to make sure

1307
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,520
you're shooting blanks, and he just didn't go back for

1308
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,039
the follow up, and so he wasn't shooting blanks. And

1309
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:26,439
so anyway, she's almost thirty now, the daughter. Everything's fine,

1310
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,520
but two three sons, and then they had a daughter

1311
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,760
because he didn't follow the instructions. So it's very important

1312
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,079
to follow this post up instruction.

1313
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 3: Extremely important, yes, or you could.

1314
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 2: End up with the fourth child or in their case

1315
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:40,039
of fifth.

1316
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:43,520
Speaker 3: So so, was he saying that he had to watch

1317
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,840
the pornography to do the thirty five ejaculations?

1318
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: No, because I think the guys were like, well, that's

1319
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,880
what porn is for, that's kind of what it was.

1320
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,600
He was like, No, it was hard because I don't

1321
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,720
watch porn. I had to come up with things on

1322
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,800
my own or bang my wife or I don't know what.

1323
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:02,600
I don't know. I was so disgusted with him. I

1324
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,840
was like, Okay, nobody thinks you're a hero, Like, you know,

1325
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:08,039
it's not.

1326
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:12,199
Speaker 3: Such a wild way to talk about your wife and

1327
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,479
women in general. Like So, because I can't imagine that

1328
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,720
Nia would feel really excited that he would say that

1329
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,479
they made a tape together. She doesn't seem like she

1330
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,439
would have signed off on that, right. And I just

1331
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,680
think the way that he talks about sex is so

1332
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:32,640
juvenile and concerning that he just like doesn't get it

1333
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,760
at best and at worst, well, I don't want to

1334
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:37,560
say at worst.

1335
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: Red flags? How about that? Yeah?

1336
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: My red flag right here there you go, yeah, red flag?

1337
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 1: So many things in this office, everybody, We are done.

1338
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,279
Thank you so much for chatting with me. We didn't

1339
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:54,760
get into Atlanta. I'm a little behind on it. I

1340
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,479
got to catch up over the weekend. I'm a couple behind.

1341
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,760
We've got OC. We didn't talk about that. I know

1342
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:01,399
you're grateful.

1343
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,279
Speaker 3: I'm very grateful because I cannot stand O S. I mean,

1344
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:08,399
did you even it was so boring this second episode?

1345
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:09,720
Didn't you think, Yeah.

1346
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,319
Speaker 2: It's a little boring.

1347
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,279
Speaker 3: It was a little it was a snooze fest. It's like, Okay,

1348
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:16,119
I'm gonna be honest. I saw a little bit when

1349
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:20,560
you were podcasting with Ace and Ace making fun of Shannon,

1350
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:28,119
and I almost peed myself laughing because he's so correct that, like,

1351
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,279
I feel like she does this lucial ball shtick.

1352
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, stopped. It's like it's like de Renda saying her

1353
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,720
own taglines like stop stop.

1354
01:10:37,119 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 3: Right, and to me, I just think it means OC

1355
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,800
has jumped the shark for me. But listen, we're only

1356
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,600
two episodes in. I'm happy to come back and talk

1357
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,199
to it. If there's something more interesting other than Tamor's

1358
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:53,239
feelings were hurt. I can't. I just I you know,

1359
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,600
I just cannot do it. I can't with the Shannon

1360
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:01,039
Shannon's this sticky person. Vicky is still falling asleep at dinner.

1361
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:03,680
I mean, it's like it's been twenty years but nothing

1362
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,479
has changed. And that's kind of not what you want

1363
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:07,560
to see, you know what I mean.

1364
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people do think this is the

1365
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,680
swan song and they'll cancel it. And then in my thoughts,

1366
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,720
I'm like, well, maybe they'll cancel it, and then this

1367
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,199
is what they've told Heather to brow just stay one

1368
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:20,239
more season and then we'll let you go to Beverly

1369
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:24,399
Hills because that's all she wants. And they're like, you,

1370
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,399
gus season twenty and then we'll allow you to go over.

1371
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:30,399
Speaker 3: And I would like to see that. Because of the

1372
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:35,920
OC ladies, I think that Heather has the most to offer,

1373
01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:39,760
like for other franchises. Oh my gosh. Also, here's one

1374
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,279
thing I wanted to tell you before we wrapped. Did

1375
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:45,159
you see that when Jen Patrante had posted about her

1376
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:49,359
son starting the fire, she was actually in Cabo. Oh

1377
01:11:49,399 --> 01:11:52,760
and Ryan were in Cabo, and I was like, Oh,

1378
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,720
you're so concerned that your son set a ton of

1379
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,640
things on fire that almost s bren't people's houses down,

1380
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,239
and you just like casually vacationing in Cabo girl by.

1381
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: Well, I know, but then I have to say, like

1382
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,720
they were probably already in Cabo, and then they got

1383
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,159
this information, They're like, well shit, now we had to

1384
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:14,039
put out a statement, but we're on a vacation.

1385
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:16,319
Speaker 2: Cabo's not that you come.

1386
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,520
Speaker 3: Home from the vacation. You can go home if you're

1387
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,039
that can if your children. Because here's the thing that

1388
01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:24,159
we see in the preview, Jen talks to one of

1389
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,239
her sons about how he's feeling about the divorce because

1390
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:31,520
he's acting out. Maybe you should do that instead of

1391
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:31,960
being in.

1392
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,159
Speaker 1: Cabo, is what I'm saying.

1393
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 3: Right, if your sons are acting out and they're doing

1394
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,760
things that they're not used accustomed to doing, well, they

1395
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,680
may be crying out for some help and just need

1396
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:44,920
someone on one time, you know what I mean.

1397
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm always I'm always like, oh, they probably

1398
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,359
got a free vacation or something, they were already there,

1399
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,039
but they should have come home.

1400
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 2: They should have they should have come home.

1401
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Speaker 3: But anyway, TVD on OC. But yeah, it's it's not

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looking promising to me at all.

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Speaker 2: I'll always watch it.

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01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: I did, like somebody pointed out that there's not any

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01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:09,000
way in any world that Shannon Badoor would be friends

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01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,319
with this Carmela girl. There's no way in any way

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,560
she would ever be friends with her. But she's like

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01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,319
my friend Carmela ever, Like, you're not friends with this girl.

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Speaker 3: That's what makes me crazy about housewives. It's like, are

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01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,199
we still pretending that this person wasn't cast? Are we

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01:13:25,319 --> 01:13:26,279
really still trying?

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Speaker 1: She lives in San Diego, right, It's.

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 3: Like, and doesn't Carmela, an ex playboy who's lived an

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,000
interesting life, seem like a Shannon Badour friend. I mean,

1415
01:13:36,359 --> 01:13:39,720
come on, good one, but I do. The one thing

1416
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,680
I can't wait to see is how she gets under

1417
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,079
Vicky's skin because it's just so it is fun to

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01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:50,000
watch Vicky like freak out because she's just like so

1419
01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:54,279
judgy and she just she has to die with like

1420
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,199
the og of the OC on her tombstone, like that

1421
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:01,840
is her defining case characteristic And I just feel like

1422
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,960
that's so sad. You're a beautiful woman with lots to offer,

1423
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,880
this is your defining case, I don't. I just I

1424
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:08,199
don't know.

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01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,079
Speaker 1: I've said too much. I'm sorry I keep dabbling. Last

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01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:16,800
thing you saw the Rone trailer, Yes, looks good.

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01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:18,199
Speaker 3: It does look good.

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01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:19,359
Speaker 2: It looks brilliant.

1429
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm happy that they brought up about Carol being in

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01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,560
the Epstein files. I mean, you know, we know why

1431
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,399
she's in the Epstein FLEs blah blah blah. We don't

1432
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:28,039
have to debate that.

1433
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:30,159
Speaker 2: But I did like.

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01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:32,319
Speaker 1: That Carol was like, I'm excited about the summer, even

1435
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:34,079
though like I've passed my life. I mean, I have

1436
01:14:34,119 --> 01:14:37,439
a shirt that says Carol's last good summer. That's from

1437
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,720
Bitch Sash. It was some of their merch. So like,

1438
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,520
I like that Carol's back because she's closer to these

1439
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:49,000
women's age, and I has Sai always had a tattoo.

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01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:49,319
Speaker 2: Behind her ear.

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01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,039
Speaker 3: I asked myself that question too. I'm like, either I'm

1442
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:57,159
not observant or she just got that. I think that's new.

1443
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,359
Speaker 1: That would be an choice.

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01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:04,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Beside is very like, you know, she's

1445
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:07,079
kind of tough. She's kind of tough, she's a little bold.

1446
01:15:07,119 --> 01:15:10,880
I could see her making you know, fun choices like that.

1447
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,720
I mean, I don't find that fun. But I could

1448
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:17,600
understand how that seems fun. Oh yeah, I don't behind

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01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:18,000
your fun.

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01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:18,520
Speaker 2: I don't either.

1451
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:19,199
Speaker 1: I don't like it.

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01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: No to me, that would hurt soap bad.

1453
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:23,359
Speaker 1: You know else has one.

1454
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:28,119
Speaker 2: Brittany has one, and also Dolores's Paulie. He also has one.

1455
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:31,359
Speaker 3: Pie Really listen, I have two tattoos. I'm not a

1456
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:33,199
post to them, but I just feel like behind the

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01:15:33,239 --> 01:15:36,000
ear there's not a lot of tissue. It's just your

1458
01:15:36,079 --> 01:15:38,239
bone that seems like it would Oh god, that would

1459
01:15:38,279 --> 01:15:38,840
give me a headache.

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01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: I can't. But I'm not a fan. Well, I have

1461
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,880
lots of tattoos. I don't care about tattoos. I just

1462
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,159
don't like one behind the ear. That's my personal opinion.

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01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:48,159
Speaker 3: That's my opinion.

1464
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,359
Speaker 1: And tell everybody where they can follow you and your

1465
01:15:52,399 --> 01:15:57,000
podcast in all of your very very insightful posts about

1466
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,680
what's happening on our Bravo.

1467
01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. You can find me at your bish

1468
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,000
therapist on Instagram, which I'm not gonna live. Taking a

1469
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,680
couple days hiatus because people were really yelling at me

1470
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,560
on the internet, and I'm gonna be honest. I needed

1471
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,319
to check people and be like I do this for free. Okay,

1472
01:16:13,399 --> 01:16:15,199
this takes a lot of time, and I do it

1473
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:17,439
for free and I don't make money from it. So

1474
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:19,840
I'm taking a little break for a couple of days,

1475
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,079
seeing if that helps people chill out and come correct

1476
01:16:23,119 --> 01:16:26,640
next time. TVD and you can also find me at

1477
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,600
your bish Therapist a podcast. It is free and available everywhere. However,

1478
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,520
if you like to watch video, I'm on Spotify video,

1479
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:38,319
I'm on YouTube and of course Patreon www dot Patreon,

1480
01:16:38,399 --> 01:16:42,840
backslash your bish Therapist. Yeah, and thank you so much

1481
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,399
for having me Mary Payne.

1482
01:16:44,199 --> 01:16:48,279
Speaker 1: And you guys. It comes from Joe Judai saying Teresa

1483
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:49,840
Judaice was my bitch wife.

1484
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:55,399
Speaker 3: Yes, I messaged Amy about she had like a question

1485
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,600
about lexapro and I was like, Hi, this is your

1486
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,840
bitch therapist, and then I was born from there and

1487
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,159
then yeah, it's technically bish because you don't want to

1488
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:06,319
have a person in your name. That's that inhibits you

1489
01:17:06,359 --> 01:17:07,079
in a little ways.

1490
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:09,319
Speaker 1: But you know, I love it.

1491
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I am I am a little bitshy.

1492
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: So okay, thank you, I'll see you next time.