Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday. That means
we're going to talk about pop culture and Bravo in
the news today. I've got my friend. It's Melissa of
your bitch therapist or your bish therapist if you're trying
to be PC. Hey Melissa, Hey Mary Payne, how are you?
Thanks so much for having me back.
Speaker 2: Does anybody ever call you mel or missy?
Speaker 3: You know, funny story. I grew up in the eighties
on a block with three different Melissas. Uh huh, and
so there we all had to have nicknames. But mine
was Lissy because that's my grandparents used to call me.
It's Lissy. So I was never a Missy or a
mel I was Lissy. But you can call me anything
you want.
Speaker 2: Lissie's pretty cute.
Speaker 3: Though I loved it. I loved it when they gave
it to me. I still love it to this day.
I think it's cute and unique. And I don't know, Yeah,
I'm kind of missy. I don't think I'm a missy.
That's not my this's not my vibe.
Speaker 2: No, you don't come off across as like a mel
or Melly either.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so I'm always interested in people's names,
and I'm always interested, Like when I was younger, they
called me this, but now it's this. I interviewed a
ninety Day Fiance person that was on the show yesterday.
Her name was Paulina. She's from Brazil, but on the
show they call her Paula. So I was calling her Paula,
and she said, you know, really, I think I didn't
know enough about the show to tell them I prefer
to be called Paulina, but now I'm Paula and Thomas,
but really I'm Paulina, right right, Well you're stuck with
Paula now because it's on every Chiron. We're twelve episodes
in Girl, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, But I do I think that's you know,
when I was a therapist in practice, I mean, really
it seems like a very simple question, but I would
always ask, you know, not just what's your name, but
what do you prefer to be called? Because so many
people will have like a legal name that was given
to them that either for trauma reasons, they just or
they don't like it, and so yeah, that's one of
those things. I think it's a great question, and I'll
tell you A fun fact. So, when I was a kid,
my sister who was four years younger, she was trying
to say Lizzie and it came out ditzy. So to
this day, I am forty five years old and my
entire family call me Dits. That is my nickname. My
nieces and nephew they call me anti ditzy. So I'm
not ditzy in the traditional sense, but that is actually
pretty much what I'm called, so, you know, and seriously,
some of my friends from back in the day, they'll
just be like, hey, Dits, what's up, which is.
Speaker 1: So funny because you're so not ditzy, you know.
Speaker 3: Right right exactly. But I don't know, I just love it.
I just love when people call me anything, call me whatever.
Speaker 1: My friend mom was Diane and they called her Disy,
so it'd be like, Hi, Disy. I always thought that
was I was like, yeah, her mom diesy. I was like,
I thought her name was Diane. But all right, go
with it.
Speaker 3: It's funny how those things come about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Now, somebody with a nickname is Angie K.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Angie K is a real housewifs of Salt Lake City.
She's in the news there was a rumor and some
nastiness that she and her husband were separated, and.
Speaker 2: Then I guess page.
Speaker 1: Six perhaps confirmed it. It's been a lot of confirming,
but they haven't said anything unless it came out this morning.
Speaker 3: Not that I know of. Yes, you're correct, a lot
of confirming without the two of them confirming, but it
definitely seems like it something's going on, Yes, after I
think twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Years, yes, a long time.
Speaker 3: Twenty seven years. Yeah, it's a long time.
Speaker 1: And of course when we first met them, there were
rumors about him because he's, you know, with her owned
these hair salons and they owned the franchise and you know,
they're very successful, and because he's a male hairdresser, there
were rumors that he was gay. Now, not one person
ever came forward, and you know there are thirst book
gets out there who will take their one thousand dollars
from TMC and spill it. So now one person ever
came forward with any of this, and so obviously it's
not true.
Speaker 2: But that was a storyline.
Speaker 1: And then they say, now the roomors and the nastiness
is that he was having like an affair with somebody
that worked to one of the salons.
Speaker 3: Oh boy. Oh, well, here's the thing. I he was married.
Wasn't he married to one of the Mormon wives or.
Speaker 1: Was that somebody else that I'm no, no, no, no, that
was the other Angie. Okay, there's another Angie. Yes, that
had that husband that got super involved in some sort
of like spam account.
Speaker 3: Remember, yes, yes, thank you, thank you for clarifying that,
because I was like, wait, is this him? No, you're
totally right. That was the other Angie.
Speaker 1: I oh, he was married to one of the Mormon wives.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's that's right. That's right. I would hope
that that's not the case, because you know, here's the thing.
I think, Angie she can be, like I call her,
like a sour patch kid. She can be very sweet,
but then she could also like chop your head off
when she's up so with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking to make sure that she hasn't made
a statement just that we haven't seen.
Speaker 3: It's a smart idea, because lord knows, it couldn't break
while we're recording. But I assume this is going to
be on the next season of sal La City. I
would assume. Yeah, so we're going to find out eventually.
But of course, we're all like, we want to know now,
but it's just very sad. I mean, I think it's
like twenty seven years. Some people don't have that long
of relationships period. That's not a failure by any means,
but you would just hate for something to end over infidelity.
Speaker 1: I would hate that, Franngie. Okay, I want to back
up what I said. Okay, So on Real House Loves
in Salt Lake City, when we saw Angie Harrington, she
had the marriage to the guy who got involved in
like the spam account talking about somebody Ginshaw probably if
I recall, Okay, she Angie Harrington was married to Brett
Brett who is now married to Demi.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, you solved the mystery.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah, So so Angie's current husband is
who she's married to, the guy that set up the
Ginshaw account, but she was previously married to Brett who's
now married to Demi.
Speaker 3: Right, and clearly she I mean she she picked a
gentleman who like a spotlight, I guess is what I'll
say about that.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm very sorry about Angie.
Speaker 1: K I don't maybe it'll be uh he had an
infidelity and we're separating, but we're gonna work through it
on the show. Kind of situation. I tell you I
met him at Bravo Kan I'm wearing my.
Speaker 2: Bravoconn T shirt twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: In New York Beautiful and New York.
Speaker 2: So this.
Speaker 1: So then we had twenty twenty three and twenty twenty
five in Vegas, so I believe in twenty twenty three
is where she was doing.
Speaker 2: One of those things.
Speaker 1: And he was standing to.
Speaker 2: The side and I said, oh, you know, your angie
s usband. Can I get a picture? And he and
I don't have it right here. I wish I did.
He whipped out.
Speaker 1: One of those ring lights that go on your phone
like it was like sure, Like I handed.
Speaker 2: I was going to do the picture, and he was
like slapped.
Speaker 1: It on my phone. I was like, okay, okay, you know.
Speaker 3: Listen, I appreciate a person who appreciates good lighting.
Speaker 1: He was prepared.
Speaker 3: That's that is that is being prepared. Uh, that's wild.
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna let me take the picture without the
proper lighting, let me tell you that much. He was
perfectly nice. And then we saw them in the airport
when we were leaving Vegas.
Speaker 2: Of course they were going to Salt like we were
going to d C.
Speaker 1: Ended up riding in the little tram you know, between
terminals with Heather, chatting with her. Very nice.
Speaker 2: But before that, we were walking through.
Speaker 1: And talking to Angie and her husband, and this was
the room they that was just their first season. They
had just had their first season, and uh so I
was just talking to Heather like she likes the Grateful Dead,
and so do I, and I said we were the
We were the people that were giving out the This
is all Kisha does is make fun of me because
I can look around my desk and find anything.
Speaker 2: We had.
Speaker 1: We had Pokacha, we have poker chips with our logo
and the QR code that people could subscribe and everything
on the QR code. So I said, we were the
ones that get I said, we were the ones that
gave you the poker chips. He pulled it out of
his pocket and he goes, yeah, I didn't want to
throw this away for all the stuff that we got,
because it's like so heavy and so nice. I was like,
marketing works, Yes.
Speaker 3: Mary Payne, you not only can pull anything from your
desk and at youment of time.
Speaker 1: But you leave I can't find a poker chip right now.
I know, I'm shocked.
Speaker 3: Also, I'm shocked. But you also do have like the
best marketing stuff. I mean you really the way that
your brain works. With that, I'm like, I wish I
had one tenth of that because it's, yeah, the way
your brain works. I just love it. And you have interesting,
cool marketing things.
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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, Mary Payne, it's not all it's
the more my account grows, the more yelling into the
void there is. And I'm telling you. The other day,
I'm gonna be honest. I posted something about Riley Burris
and I got so trolled that I was like, I
might just delete my account.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's let's switch to do because I don't
you know, I don't fuck with the gen x. I
don't fuck within the city. It's a young person's game
and I'm too old for it. But I did see
a lot because I'm going to follow all the news, right,
so I did see that a lot of people were
saying on the last episode that Riley had really bad behaviors,
seemed drunk, it was being mean to people. So what
happened and what was your diagnosis of the situation that
you got called for?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll I'll tell you what happened and what I
got drolled for. So Riley, and by the way, I'm
not young. I'm forty five, so it's never too late,
by the way, but I wear younger the oh boy,
well I feel elderly. But okay, you're right. So then
Riley and there's a girl named Georgia. Riley was very intoxicated.
She really was very intoxicated, and she was being belligerent.
I'm gonna be honest. Her behavior was atrocious. She was
yelling at Georgia, she was being nasty to her. She
picked up a glass, like a glass glass and went
like this to chuck it at her, and someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good Housewives.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. It was so bad, and you know,
it's interesting in the scene. So there's Gia Judae yeah,
and then Arianna Beerman and they both kind of whispered
in her ear and they're like, this is gonna be
a problem for you, so we need to step away.
Like they were trying to produce, and it was not
working because Riley was just like it seemed like she
was kind of blacked out, out of control. But then
she made this nasty comment about how like Georgia couldn't
even afford a burkein, and it was just like it
was gross. It was bad. It was really it was
really icky. I'm gonna say that, okay, But what I got,
by the.
Speaker 1: Way, that's not really a slam because like less than
one of the one percent of people in the world
can afford a Borken, and of that one of the
one percents, a lot of people don't even want one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear from the people who have one that
they're heavy and they're hard to carry and they're very inconvenient,
but you know.
Speaker 2: It's just status.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But to.
Speaker 1: Say that to like a twenty something year old and
a dive bar in New York seems odd.
Speaker 3: Well, it was odd, and it was. It was a
very entitled kind of yes, bratty moment, Brady moment where
it was like, well, you can't afford a burken either,
your mom can, but like I don't think you can yet, honey, bunny,
you know.
Speaker 1: Let's take a step back here.
Speaker 3: But okay, So this was my take and I still
stand by it, is that at this time Candy and
Todd were in the middle of a contentious divorce. Something happened.
They made the announcement the family was disintegrating. And my
take is that number one, Riley's twenty three years old.
Our prefrontal core taxes are not fully formed until research
shows twenty five, but some research shows with people who
are neurodiversent, that number could be closer to thirty two.
And why to know, I know why and why that matters.
Speaker 1: Thinking of my kids at my house, I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker 3: Oh Mary payn rip you have a lot more parents.
There's a lot more ahead of you. I'm sorry, I'm
very sorry to tell you that. Okay, but the prefrontal
core texes control things like impulse, emotion, regulation, decision making, right,
And so my point was, let's have some empathy and say,
who of us has not been an asshole? Either a
drunken hasshole or just a twenty year old, young, immature asshole.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Did she fuck up?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 3: Did she make mistakes? Absolutely? Was it? Okay?
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: But my point was, let's have some empathy and understanding
for the fact that she's still a young adult, and
developmentally speaking, young adults are different from adults, and sometimes
adults miss that nuance. Well, guess what. All the adults
missed the nuance of my post and they roasted me
in the comments. It's like, sometimes having empathy and understanding
people don't want that. People want to say, well, she's
a brat, That's what people kept saying. And it's like,
would you like to be characterized by your worst moment
in your twenties? Would you? I refuse to slap this
person with like a painted brush if she's a brat
because she made a mistake. Now, if she's pulling a
Danny Buco and continues this over and over and over again,
well that's a different story. So that was essentially my take,
and people were real mad.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great take, and I think, you know,
I see a lot of funny posts about like, you know,
when me, let's speak for myself. When I was in
my late teens and twenties, I was literally at at
a keg party in a field, and my parents didn't
know where I was and didn't care, and as long
as I just came home, they would check and make
sure I was there. You know, Now we track everything,
and everything's different and the world is so different. So no,
I would definitely not want to be defined by one
of my many, many terrible moments that I had as
a twenty three year old, you know, and by then
graduated from college and had a job, still acted like
an asshole. I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like most of us our twenties were
just like it's like one big pharaoh mental breakdown your
twenties to your thirties, and I just think understanding development
but also just being an empathetic person, I just don't
when I get frustrated about Bravo fans and especially women.
They're so judgmental and harsh, but it's like their own stuff, right,
So if someone's doing that to Riley, chances are they're
probably going to be really judgmental to self another's period.
So it's like, I understand where it comes from. But
you know, also what I appreciated about the scene is
that Candy. They showed Riley facetiming with Candy and Candy
was not having it. Candy asked her what was going
on she said she gave Riley gave this BS answer,
and Candy was like, I don't want to hear any
politically correct bullshit. You tell me what's going on right now,
and we're going to talk about this. And so again
I think it's like her, the people in her life
that are important to her are holding her accountable. It's
not the Bravo audience his job to hold Riley accountable.
And I'm not like I people, I joke people want
me to be like doctor Phil, where I'm like, you know,
you yuriin, you uck, you really need to go to
treat you know, just like such a miserable asshole. It's
like I don't that's not who I am. I'm never
going to rape on a child who's like, can we
give her a bread?
Speaker 1: People want you to be like doctor Phil Yeah, I'd
be like you know you, you know, he was so
harsh and mean sometimes to like his teenage guests.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm that's not me, that's not me.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh god, that's funny. Oh that's funny. Well okay,
so another U Bravo. A person in the news is
Milania uh Judais, not Trump and Milania Judais. I've I
had a spanning on last week and he did the
funniest impression where he like rolled his chair halfway out
of the frame and was like, and he goes, that's
what she was doing.
Speaker 2: He goes, why was she so.
Speaker 1: Far away from the camera sitting behind her lawyer, like
like a little troll. And she's just like, okay, so
you know she hit someone in the house with the
initials elle R. Now, you and I were talking before
and you were saying el R could also be Louie's
son l R.
Speaker 2: Louis Junior.
Speaker 1: Now let's clarify he has two sons. Louis Junior is
the older one who I don't think lives there. I
do think the younger one who has autism lives there
a lot of the time, so she could have gotten
mad and hit her stepbrother m because she and Louie
are out there posting every day together, just hold in
the hands, dancing through the fields. They're best friends, best.
Speaker 3: Friend who's posting that.
Speaker 1: Milania and Louie are constantly now posting things together, like
she's doing tiktoks, like where she's talking and he's behind her,
like eating a sandwich, like they are just bessies. She
the arrest, Yes, she posted after the arrest and yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: So my interpretation of that is that's damage control. And
that's because Teresa also posted something with Milania, and I
just think, yeah, I think it's damage control. And I
think that's a shame because the one thing that Milania
posted was like it said I read it on my
podcast last week, but it said something like a lot
of things have happened to me and you all have
no idea. And I think that that's really important to
remember is that we've watched these people on TV, but
we don't really know their life. We don't know we've
seen some of her trauma, like when her mom had
to go to jail, and then her dad went to
jail and then never came back. I mean, we've watched
enough trauma for her to have issues, and then it's
like you add in the components of what we haven't seen.
I just have a lot of empathy for all these
children of these Bravo folks. You know, it's like they
didn't necessarily ask to be put on TV, and it's
a tough situation.
Speaker 1: So she's only twenty to speaking of it, speaking of preferental.
Speaker 3: Cortexas yeah, yeah, I mean also I could tell that
when Milania, like in the early days, when Joe and
Teresa were going to jail, I could tell that Milania
was just probably going to be the most impacted because
she was so close to Joe. She was old enough,
like the younger too Audreanna and Gabriella. When you're young,
it just like protects you naturally from some of that
stuff because you just don't understand it. But I think
Milania really had the toughest time. Gia had to be
like the eldest daughter and keep all of it together, which,
by the way, what's so fascinating about next Gen and
what I love is Gia is a completely different person
than her mom, and she even said on Next Gen,
she goes, you know, I've seen my mom flip tables.
My family can be very aggressive, she goes, But in
my friendships, I don't want that. And so in her
friendships because of her trauma, she's the mother. Hen, she's
the mother. Hen that says Riley, You're gonna look bad.
Don't do this. Have some water, you know. So she
almost flipped the script because of her family scenario. So
I do think it's interesting to see how each one
of her beautiful daughters manages each of these situations, because
all kids are going to handle it different. In Lee
and I just think Malania is having a tough time.
Speaker 1: There's also some weird post that Louis did where he's,
you know, just always just always self filming, just always
with the camera just right on him with his red face,
and he's like, you know what, she got home from work?
You know why I do it because of this, and
he swings around and behind him, sitting at the kitchen
island is Teresa Gia and her fiance m h and
they it literally looks like a hostage video. It looks
like and then because they all go, can we like
how weird in the kitchen and be like, I'm having
a conversation with my wife, her daughter and the fiance,
and all of a sudden, I think I'm just gonna
wip the phone out and show everybody, this is what
I do it for.
Speaker 2: Like what?
Speaker 3: And also, if you're doing it for your family, you
probably don't need to tell the world that you're doing
it for your family. If that's really why you're doing it,
you know, to call that out kind of like that's
the opposite. I don't record myself pretty much doing anything
because it doesn't feel authentic to me other than podcasting. Yeah, yeah,
I think Louis is just like he He and Brian from
Pontorelli from Real House. He's a Rhode Island. They are
cut from a very similar cloth, I feel.
Speaker 2: Oh Brian Rule's husband.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: I had to take a minute on that.
Speaker 1: Something else came out about him recently that he he
had a marriage before and he did a similar thing,
or he had a mistress before.
Speaker 2: Or what was that about?
Speaker 1: Can you remember?
Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, so the question was was Rula the mistress?
So he was married and this came out at the reunion.
Brian was married before he The allegation was that he
met Rula left his wife, but then the divorce didn't
take place until like eight years later, so then they
were calling into question was he were the marriage between
he and Rula? Is it legal because of the timing
of that, And I just think.
Speaker 1: She would not She would not say the date of
her wedding.
Speaker 3: She wouldn't, which I find really like for all the
things to not be willing to come out with, that's
that seems really like a huge red flag to me.
You can't just say the date that you got married.
I mean that should be ingrained in your brain. But
she didn't want to.
Speaker 2: She has she had GAT documents. She had GAT documents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like Joellen because she was reading
court documents because she's like, I've got nothing but time.
But then.
Speaker 2: Joellen was my favorite.
Speaker 1: But then we got all sorts of like bad stuff
about really gross tweets and things that she was liking,
you know, against immigrants, against gay, trample, against trans people,
really vile stuff.
Speaker 2: She's like, I posted it, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh I pos so, because okay, this is the story
on this. I saw those screenshots and I have someone
personally that went to the account that she was like liking,
which it's Donald Trump Junior, by the way, that's what
we're talking about here. So Joellen was liking a ton
of transphobic, homophobic, really just ugly things. Rula was as well,
and I posted it actually to my Instagram if you
want to see. I took screenshots of it and I
posted it because to me, it was so egregious that
it's like I stood up for Joellen in terms of
like her trauma, and I always like to give people
the benefit of the doubt, but hate doesn't deserve empathy.
And the fact that I posted about this, a lot
of other content creators posted about it. She went into
some content or creators dms. Guess whose dms she didn't hit?
That's right mine, because I'm not able to be manipulated.
Speaker 1: So what did she say to these content creators? Because
I haven't seen any kind of public apology or statement
from her saying I looked back on this and I
she she can't even do theg gressen ROSSI of, like,
I have a social media manager. I didn't know she
could just go and say I liked all these things.
I was misinformed and I've educated myself and I'm sorry.
That's all she can say. But she hasn't done that
to my knowledge.
Speaker 3: No, she definitely has not done that, because if she
did it, I would have known about it. And one
of the accounts that I could tell you that she
did this too, it's account called Mister Housewives. Both Joe
Ellen and Rosie got into his well I don't know
who runs the account, but got into those dms and
then basically encouraged that person to take those posts.
Speaker 1: Down, which they did they did.
Speaker 3: So Yeah, So what I'm saying is I think that
there's no apology, there's no acknowledgment. They just want to
clean this up and make sure it goes away. But
I've heard that it is going to be a storyline
on season two of Real House Was of Rhode Island,
and it will be addressed in some way, shape or form.
Because for me, I am done with Joellen. If that's
really where she stands, I kin have empathy for anyone
in terms of like, these these things that she was
liking were from twenty twenty three, so it's twenty twenty six.
That's not that long ago, but it's not yesterday either.
So if you were to acknowledge it and say, you know,
I've made mistakes, I've learned, I've grown, I can hold
space for anything like that. But to just ignore it
and try to encourage people to just to delete their posts,
that smells of guilt to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's guilt.
Speaker 1: She did it, but it's just a matter of you
would think that right away there would be some sort
of I'm just you know, really regret that i made
these things. Maybe because they're currently filming, they were like,
don't say anything, you know, say it on camera, save it,
save it for the trailers, to make people watch it.
Speaker 3: You know, that's also very true, the power of editing
and filming a show. You just never know. But I'm
going to need her to say some stuff because it
was very egregious.
Speaker 1: Seems like I was like, oh, well, when somebody could
come to her and say, you know, I have a
gay brother or I have a you know, transgender person
in my life, you know, somebody could come to her
and explain from their point of view why this would
be hurtful. To maybe have a teaching moment. That's what
you hope for. But we don't always get teachable moments
on our housewives.
Speaker 3: So that's right.
Speaker 1: I really am not sure what I need to shut
up because none of that's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Okay, no, but I like where you're going. I like
where you're going because there should be but you're right,
there won't be so good call.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think a lot of times, you
know people that are you know, anti anti gay, anti
you know, gay rights, gay marriage, all these things, maybe
they have really never met a person in their life
that is a gay person. Because if you have one friend,
one coworker that you know that is a gay person,
and you go, okay, well that doesn't change my opinion
of them. There's still my work friend, there's still my buddy,
there's still my friend's brother sister. Then you do start
to shift your opinion because you're like, wow, okay, that
is a person of a normal, whole life who's just
like me, So why shouldn't they have the same rights
as me. You know that when you have somebody in
your life, your opinion can shift and you can see.
Speaker 3: You can have more empathy and understanding. I suppose when
you when it's closer to you. But yeah, it's butt
Like I mean, homophobia is like there, it can be
a real phobia. And so for some people it's they're taught,
like hate and bigotry is taught, you know, it's passed
down through generations. You're not born not liking people who
have more melanin in their skin or you know, have
a different orientation. And so I think that's the pervasive issue,
is that the people who are teaching us things. But like,
you know, for me, for example, growing up, I grew
up with a very hateful father, and I remember being
little and being like that ain't right, you know, but like,
not everybody has that ability. I remember being like a
little kid being like this man ain't right. But I
think that I just was like born this way. I
just like came out of the room with like two
middle fingers. So I think that for some people it's
just innately understood, and for others they have to have
more of a personal experience. I personally don't understand what
upsets people and makes them care so much. It doesn't
impact them at all. But I could go on about
that for a millennium.
Speaker 1: Well, I can remember one time my husband saying to
me when we were first dating something that you know,
this was in ninety nine or two thousands, a long
time ago, and something was said somebody about gay marriage
or something, and he goes, I don't understand why anybody
would care about gay marriage. If you're not gay, why
do you care who gets married? Like nobody's going to
force you to marry a gay person. He's like, Hey,
I don't understand why other people have opinions about gay marriage.
It don't get gay married, Like it doesn't affect you.
Like I remember thinking like, all right, this is my man.
This is a man, forward thinking.
Speaker 2: You know, Like I was like, it's like that's a
great point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love us a smart tolerant man. That's right.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, I just don't even understand why
anybody would care about why other people who they marry,
you know. Yeah, okay, let's let's move on to another
topic that is in our news, which is Gina Koh
has come out she has a tongue cancer that this
spread to the olympos and I'm not sure what the
cancer diagnosis is now, but she has a cancer diagnosis now.
She of course is one of our original OC housewives
and uh, you know well beloved and kind.
Speaker 2: Of has popped in through the decades or whatever.
Speaker 1: People are a little upset that she started a gofund
me because she is has a wealthy family and her
children are doing just fine. So people are sort of
upset that somebody who has the means is out there
asking for money for help. I kind of didn't think
about it. I'm not going to donate to it, so
it didn't occur to me that people would be upset
about it. But I have seen people are like, it's
kind of gross that they're out here going on vacations
to Tahiti and now asking for money for her health
care bills.
Speaker 2: Now, we do know that healthcare.
Speaker 1: You more than anybody know that healthcare in this country
is extremely expensive, and she's doing cancer treatments that perhaps
whatever insurance she has is not going to cover. But
people are like, well, then her kids should be helping her.
Why are they putting out of gofund me. And I'm like, well, also,
like why do you care? Just like donate to it
or don't you know?
Speaker 3: Well, right, just like what we said, It's like, if
you don't want to donate, that's fine. But one thing
I can explain, so you are aware of this. But
I'm a two time cancer survivor. So when I was seventeen,
I had ovarian cancer that I wasn't supposed to survive, chemotherapy,
multiple surgeries, blah blah blah, the whole thing. Now I'm
living with a chronic cancer called chronic emphasisic leukemia, and
I'm actually I was just telling you before that I
have to start another infusion. So I'm on immunotherapy and
I'm going to be on another immunotherapy. And so the
reason why I share all this is that I call
myself a professional patient, and what that means is I
understand the healthcare system in ways that are horrifying but realistic.
And what people don't want to understand or believe is
that being a cancer patient in this country can bankrupt you.
It shouldn't, there's no reason why it should have to,
but it does because especially for types of cancers like
I don't know specifically. What I can tell you is
with a tong cancer, if it's in the lymphoes, that
means that it's moved to other places in the body.
That means it's definitely past stage one. It's more advanced.
And when you have a cancer that's not your norm,
or a little bit tougher to treat, a little bit
more aggressive. You have to act quickly, and you have
to do things that are dramatic, and sometimes that comes
with a very hefty price tag. People can work their
whole lives, have millions of dollars, work, work, work, do
the right thing, and still become bankrupted by medical bills
and treatment. So I guess, on the one hand, I
just want to advocate for folks who don't understand that
even you could be rich, you could be a multimillionaire,
and you get one diagnosis that let's say you need
something your insurance won't cover it, Well, do you die
or do you go into debt to pay for what
you need? And these are really seriously hard decisions that
people are having to make. So I just think people
don't understand. But also like, yeah, like you said, if
you don't want to donate, you think it's silly, that's fine,
but let her live and do her thing. I think
because I get it, you know, I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just thought it was interesting that it was
such a hot topic because it just didn't when it
came across I was like oh wow, Like, I'm sorry
for her. Now, I will tell you something interesting in
my in my ninety day world, there's a couple Kenny
and Armando, and they've been married like seven years, and
so Armando years ago over state of Visa in this
in the state, so he's never been able to come
to the ninety States since they've been married.
Speaker 2: So they live in Mexico.
Speaker 1: They live like right over the border, like right in
like the Baja Mexico California border area. And Kenny runs
I mean sorry, Armando runs like a doggy grooming daycare company,
and you know, Kenny works there with him, and Armando
has a daughter from his first marriage, Hannah. Well, like
I said, they've been together at least ten years at
this point, because they've been married like seven and they've
been on thirty shows, and they are just a staple
in the.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm familiar. Yeah, that's how I'm familiar with them,
because if they're like a staple in that world, I've
definitely watched some. I think they're wonderful people. They're just
they're wonderful humans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they had to you know, they were getting
gay married in Mexico and they had to like go
to another.
Speaker 2: Jurisdiction to even get it approved. And we followed all that.
Speaker 1: It was very you know, it's a very interesting story
and how they found each other on like a Facebook
group for gay dads, and you know, it's just and
there's a big there is a big age difference there.
Kenny's in his sixties and Armando is in his thirties.
But they've been together all this time. So Armando, we've
been following his journey trying to get a visa, a
spousal visa to go over to the States because Kenny,
you know, can he's got grandchildren now and wants to
be in the state some more, just to be.
Speaker 2: Able to freely go back and forth.
Speaker 1: And he's denied again, and they said something about the
age difference. Of course, they're like, we've been on TV
together for ten years, we've been married for seven, Like
it's not you know. So his daughter Hannah got very
sick and he said he was looking. She called him
and said, I don't feel well, and he went over
to where she was. They were in Mexico, and you
see all her whole side of her face is drooping.
Speaker 2: She's like fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, and her speech was slurred and so
he immediately they immediately called an ambulance and the hospital
there where they were immediately airlifted her to Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: So his mother, her grandmother.
Speaker 1: Was able to go with her because she has you know,
a passport or whatever, it could go. But because Armando,
the dad, the biological dad, Kenny's also the dad has
been denied several times now, so he couldn't go. Meanwhile,
Kenny was in Florida or somewhere visiting his family. He
was already in the state, so he was able to
get to Hannah. So Hannah had her mom, I mean,
Hannah had her grandmom and Kenny her other dad there,
but Armando could not get there and she doesn't have
a momm The mother died.
Speaker 3: So my heart.
Speaker 1: So they literally got you know, people were calling and
they were trying to get like an emergency visa for
him to be able to go over, and it finally worked.
Mark Kelly, who is either from Arizona maybe Arizona maybe congressman. Anyway,
Mark Kelly came through and another congresswoman came through got
him this visa. But then they just posted all the
update about it about she's gonna have to stay in
Phoenix for a while because they're trying to figure out
why she had a brain bleed. She had a brain
bleed and they're trying to figure out why, like, oh,
how did it happen? So she has to stay in Phoenix.
But Armando's visa runs out on Sunday, so he'll have
to leave her again, right.
Speaker 3: But also what you're talking about, this is what people
don't realize about medical issues. When you have a loved
one in the hospital and they're in there for months,
you don't you have to pay for housing for you know,
for yourself, for food, for to take care of yourself
and this other person while they're in the situation. There's
so much that an insurance will not cover. But those
are just like added expenses. But my god, that is
so sad.
Speaker 1: So they set up a gofund me, and of course
immediately they didn't set it up, their friends set it
up for them, and immediately it was just through the
roof with donations.
Speaker 2: Because they are so like beloved.
Speaker 1: And on TV and kind of currently always around their
own occurrencies in ninety day diaries right now, going through
this visa process with Armando, and they put out like
a three part video where they're both just like sobbing,
like thanking the people that gave them money because now
they're going to be trying to fight this visa things.
Armando doesn't have to go back to let him stay
medically with his daughter. And then also this astronomical medical
bills are going to be paying.
Speaker 3: Oh asked when it's brainstuff. And this is what people
do not understand. Here's my message to people listening. If
people are more mad that people have to do gofundmes,
then you are at the government for requiring that that
healthcare is so inaccessible, it's so expensive to regular joes
that that's what we should be mad at. We should
be mad at the gofund means. We should be mad
that this is the system that we're living in, because
that's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because people are like, oh, well they're on TV.
I'm like, they're not on They're not the Lee's on
the Walking Dead, do you know what I mean? Like,
they're not in Game of Thrones. They're not.
Speaker 2: They don't they are on a you know.
Speaker 1: My joke always is like everybody wants that sweet, sweet
Matt Sharp money because Matt Sharp, but they make nothing
and even though they've been on all these years, they're
not I mean they're making a few thousand dollars per season.
I mean Armado fully has a business and Kenny helps them,
and you know they most most of the ninety to
eight people have regular, full time jobs. They're not like
housewives or like my job is to be a reality
TV star. So in that case, I posted it, and
I'm like, you know, if any if you if you
can donate, if you can't, don't.
Speaker 2: Feel bad about it. So it's very it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: The the dichotomy between how people feel about donating to
Gina Kio versus these two guys, because it's verse faived
that she has so much money and it's perceived that
they probably don't have the money to pay for it.
Speaker 3: You know, that's right, And so to your point, it's
all about perception and the general public because of parasocial relationships.
We humans, we tend to think that we know way
more about people than we do. People could be on
The Walking Dead, they could be making a ton of money.
We don't know how much they have, what they do
with it, how they manage it. And then you add
to that the fact that healthcare is just it's it's
a broken, disgusting system. I mean I could easily, Like
what scares me the most is I know that at
any point if my stuff gets out of control and
to try to save my life, I mean, I could
easily bankrupt my own family. And we've done everything right,
you know, and so but I think that's it's interesting
that our perception is reality because if you don't have
a problem with like certain people doing it, but then
you do have a problem with certain people doing it,
it's like we should just be more mad that this
is the system.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's exactly that's Yeah, it's very interesting and
sort of the whole like people talking about how hot
the Luigi Mantiuni, like, well he's so hot, I'm like,
he still killed somebody. Yeah, you know, like I can't say, like, Okay,
the healthcare system is great, but let's don't go around
murdering people. I don't really think that.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, let me be clear, that's
not the answer. I like, and I get it because
the you know, the person from United Healthcare, which by
the way, they still suck. You know, it's like their
CEOs want to have beach houses, and then people are
getting denied anti nausea medication for chemotherapy. That's what we're
talking about here. We're talking about people being denied that.
But the system needs to change, right, we need to
advocate for the system to be changed. Isn't going to
do anything other than sensationalize it and then have nothing changed,
which is exactly what's happened. So yeah, I you know,
I get the anger and I get the frustration, but
we are responsible for our behaviors and our actions, and
that is I understand it. There have been times where
I've been unhinged and walked out of a doctor's appointment
yelling like a maniac. Yeah, I've been unhinged, But you
gotta you gotta manage your shit, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I tell you speaking to people that
may be unhinged, I mean, we're so many, so many
people that are unhinged. But Taylor Frankie Paul as a
from a therapist standpoint, if you were her therapist.
Speaker 2: What would you tell her? Should she? Should?
Speaker 3: She?
Speaker 2: Her job is to be a social media person. That's
her job. That was her job before.
Speaker 1: Even Mormon wives. That's how she had. That was how
she started her career. So that's what she knows. And
she feels the need to dispute recent single, tiny little thing,
whether it's in court or perceived or this and that
and the other. And a lot of people are like,
she should just completely go away for like six months
work on herself, and I'm like, but her job is
to be in social media, right, So what's your thought
on that as a therapist?
Speaker 3: Oy? I actually just talked about this because I had
Caitlin Marshall on my podcast that came out yesterday. If
you want to listen to that, it's up now at
your Bish Therapist podcast. We talked about this because Caitlin
is in that TikTok world. She's connected to like the
Mormon Wives crew and things like that. And so I
believe that Taylor and Dakota were both abusive to each other. Yeah,
And I believe that they both participated in a really toxic,
unhealthy relationship that for me gives me flavors of like
a love addiction. When you see people who go into recovery.
So Dakota said that he's sober. If you go into
recovery and you don't do the work, it's going to
come out sideways, and so I think that their drug
of choice is each other. And I think that for
like Taylor, she will repeat relational patterns that she's not
willing to address. So I guess as if I were
her therapist, I would ask her to kind of like,
what do you think your role in all of this
is right? Because I understand that sometimes trauma happens to us.
We can't change it, we can't help it, but trauma
may not be our responsibility, like we didn't cause it,
but it's our responsibility to fix if that makes sense, right,
especially for the next generation of our family and things
like that. So for Taylor, my concern with her, she's
always pointing the finger at other people. So Taylor seems
to have these chronic relational issues, which essentially means that like,
it's not that she just happens upon these people who
are treating her poorly, she's choosing people. And I think
that's tough for trauma survivors, including myself. Right, I have
picked people to be in my life based on what
I thought and felt about myself, and I ended up
picking people who were emotionally neglectful and it wasn't like
I'm a bad person making those decisions. It was like
when we let trauma lit us. Sometimes we pick people
who mirror our wounds in ways that are just really
not good, you know. And so I think that for
her it would serve her to say, Okay, let's put
down the finger pointing and the blaming and the this
and the that, and let's look at for you, what
do you need to do different to get yourself healthier
and like number one, and then to be with someone
healthier number two. People have this big belief that like
you can't like you have to deal with your own
ship before you can date someone, And if that was
the case, all of us would be single forever because
like when have you, Like, no one's ever fully healed.
It's not like a achievement. You ring the bell and
you're done. So yeah, right, I think it's one of
those things. It's like, she does need to do better,
make better decisions for herself and for her family, and
she won't be able to do that if she continues
to just look at all the way she's been aggrieved
and not her own piece, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so rough because there's you know, kids there,
and you just like, you just you just want her
to be better.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about her that make
you know, that makes us just like and then you know,
and then she's got all the other mom talk. People
go on and talk shit about her, and then she
talks about them, and then it's like are they Yes,
at one point they really were friends, and now you've
got the fame, and I don't know, like, if she
put out a GoFundMe, would people donate?
Speaker 3: You know, Oh my god, that's a great question. I'm
sure that they would, because that's the thing she's now.
What I worry about with her fans is like the
toxic fandom that will just be an echo chamber of
your right, Taylor, you're the queen. Yeah, can do no wrong.
That doesn't serve us, That doesn't serve us at all.
Taylor does need to do better for her and her kids,
and I hope that she's able to. And now in
terms of like going offline, I just don't know. I
think that could be healthy for her because at the
same hand, could she have some sort of like internet
use issue. So they're in the DSM, there are now
kind of diagnoses around technology, because technology, internet, social media,
that can be as addictive as literally a drug.
Speaker 1: As anything else.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, as we know. I mean, you know, obviously,
like I can't amait having her number of followers. But
it's like when you have millions of people in an
echo chamber telling you that you're fabulous. Well, sometimes that
can inflate your ego and your sense of like victimhood,
and that's just not going to serve her either. So
while I think it would be good for her to
walk away, does that seem realistic? Probably not. And also
she's got to make money. I mean, she does have
to support her family, and so you know, I do
understand that. But either way, I don't care what she does.
She's just got to do something different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God bless.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me see if there's anything else I want
to chat with you about. We have to quickly chat
about The Valley because I'm obsessed, and I know I'm
like one of the only people in the world.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great show.
Speaker 1: I'm very concerned it's gonna get canceled because I really
like it, and.
Speaker 3: You should be at this point. You should be concerned
because it's I mean, it's bad. It's bad, very bad.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's bad because it's so dark?
Speaker 3: Yes, well I was so. You were on my podcast
a couple of weeks ago and you had kind of
have turned my page about maybe it's not as dark
as I think. And then we had the most recent
episode where everyone was questioning Janet and I was just like, Yeah,
it took the wind right out of my sails. It
felt so dark and gross and inappropriate that I was
just like, Oh, this is bad. It's bad.
Speaker 1: Well, I think let me tell you what if this
show is canceled, Lacey's out of here. She's like, She's like,
I'm only yeah, I'm only only with you to be
on this show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me shoot again.
Speaker 1: For the Real Housewives of OC, the reason I think
it is so good is because they, especially with like
Kristin and Luke, they do sort of come to a
conflict resolution with her trying to explain to him, you know,
sort of what she's going through, and she does seem
to be doing much better. But what was really sort
of in the news this week was they did showed
clips all for the internet. That's like about the after show,
which I don't watch and Danny saying he had been
not watch porn in six years, and everybody's like, wow,
it was as if he said, you know that he
had been sober for six years or something. Now, he
didn't say he had a porn addiction and that he
had gotten himself clean from that, and that would be
something else, that it would be like a sex addiction
and he shouldn't be proud of him.
Speaker 2: But he didn't say that.
Speaker 1: He just said, you know, six years ago he decided
that he would no longer watch porn, and then sort
of indicates he and Nia had made a tape that
he would watch. And then, of course Kristen, who's so
far up, Nia's asked for no reason, we don't understand.
She just really hits herself to that wagon. Chris is like,
Nia is just such a rock star. I mean, she's
so amazing. I was like, that's what you got from that,
Danny hasn't watched porn in six years, So Nia's a.
Speaker 3: Rock star, Like yeah, what it's what she made a
sex tape for him and maybe she didn't want to.
Speaker 1: That makes her rock starting now now, she's amazing. Anyway,
Danny just just continues to give me every ick that
has been known to man. I hate him, and of
course I've talked a million times about it's a personal
trigger for me because if his behavior because I am
married to a recovering alcoholic coming up on twelve years,
and it doesn't matter if it was twelve years ago,
it's I still remember. I still remember these behaviors of
the hiding and the lying, and then I didn't do that,
and then Nia's behavior reminds me a lot of myself
of the protecting and the shielding. Never in any history
of time have I ever stood between my husband and
somebody else that was trying to like confront him about
his drinking.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, go ahead, maybe you could talk some.
Speaker 3: Self where You'd be like please go ahead, yeah, please,
I'll be over here.
Speaker 1: Help me out, Yeah, help me out. So I I.
Speaker 2: Don't want it to get canceled.
Speaker 1: I want him to give it.
Speaker 2: Come on.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's okay. Here's why I think it has
crossed the line for me into super problematic is that
you have a group of people who they're not really
authentically friends clearly. I mean, these people hate each other.
Speaker 1: Uh, some of them are, some of them are from
back in the day. I mean Janet has been around,
course all has Janet has been in that Kristin Vanderpump
Rules with Shorts and everybody and Lalla for years, as
has Jasmine. They've all been around, and then Zach has
always been around. Now the Danny, Nia, Michelle, Jesse, Lacy,
that is sort of a new addition to right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, But that's what I mean is that Kristin and
Luke and Danny and Nia and Jesse and Lacy are
like aligning into this like superpower where they clearly just
don't want Janet around and they're trying to So for me,
what it crossed the line into horribly dark when like
when it's triggering viewers. That's my that's my issue when
there's a Bravo show that's literally triggering viewers who we
either have been essayed and haven't been believed or who
have seen, you know, been in relationship issues with I'm sorry,
the who have been in relationships with people who have
addiction issues and things like that. But I think when
when Danny was getting the group to question Janet's experience.
Speaker 1: For me, I.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I'm not even the biggest Janet Fan.
I'm not saying like I don't know her, right, we've
never talked. I don't DM her, but I just refuse
to accept that someone could share their experience and then
a group of people on TV can be like, yeah,
I think this is convenient. I mean, they basically were
saying without saying, I think she's lying. And you know
why this matters is because when I posted about it
on my page, there were a ton of people who
came into the comments who were like, Janet's lying.
Speaker 1: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: They got blocked because if you're going to do that,
you don't belong on my page. We don't do that
on my page, because you can do that on that page.
Speaker 1: Janet's lying, Like, that's a pretty specific story to make up.
Like she's not lying. I mean that obviously, it never
occurred to me that she's lying. She obviously is telling
from the heart something very traumatic that happened to her,
and she's trying to explain to La La, who hates
Danny anyway, to be like this is why I can't
say sorry to him for using those specific words. The
specific words are the issue that she said he's sexually
assaulted Jasmine. Now in my opinion, as just a regular
person walking into the world with no degrees in psychotherapy
or any sort of medical feing or police work, can
tell you that if somebody grabs your ass, that is
sexual assault.
Speaker 2: They have grabbed your body part. It would be no different.
Speaker 1: If he honked or mob you know. Yeah, so he
grabbed her ass, that is sexual assault. Those are the
correct words. And I guess because they're trying to be
like we were all in a bar and it was
a joking situation. Well, Melissa didn't like it, didn't ask
for it, and she doesn't speak much, but Jasmine has
tried to stick up for her fiance and so for
Janet to say, that's why I won't say I'm sorry
for using those words, because I didn't know that that's
what happened to me. I didn't know to use those words.
But I've educated myself and I know that that was
the correct word. So I want I'm a one per
team Janet, and I appreciated that she explained it to
Laala because Laala does come across holier than thou or narcissistant,
but you can see Laala at the end of the
day is a girl's girl. And is listening to jan
and taking it in probably in her mind going through
something that she probably is also experienced.
Speaker 3: So many women have experiment yes, right, And that's what
is making me wild, is that a lot of the
comments I'll get is why are we still talking about this?
And it's like, why are we still talking about someone
being sexually assaulted? Are you asking that as a serious question?
Like I just the lack of humanity in the bravosphere
sometimes is just it will really knock my socks off
because and not only that, people are like I've had
to block I've told you this multiple times more people
in the last couple months than in the last few
years over Danny Buco. There is something about these people,
and Kristin and Luke have bought into that, whatever that means.
And I think that Kristen's probably gonna regret it because
it's like, oh, yeah, how are you gonna say that
you wish people would have believed you, but now you're
gonna question Janet's timing. Kristin did that. I you know,
I've seen both sides of the fandom about Kristin, but
for me, I'm gonna be honest. She completely lost me
last episode. You cannot claim to be an advocate and
ally a support for marginalized groups when you just don't
like Janet and now are trying to weaponize and say
she's lying. It's like that's and people will parse, parse
through semantics about like, well, no one said lie, and
it's like, uh, okay, we understand what the intimation is.
The what Danny and Luke whatever was trying to say,
we're not idiots. We understand what that means. And for
Kristin to hang her hat on that and Lazy, by
the way, Lazy has a podcast dedicated to survivors of
domestic abuse and she is sitting there questioning in it,
and I'm like, what like? And that's the thing for me,
as a passionate supporter as you can hear of victims
and survivors, I'm never gonna questions anyone's story. It's not
our job. It's not my job, it's not the Bravo
Versus job to legitimize Janet or not. She doesn't need
us to do that. She's already legitimized because she told
us her story. She doesn't need us to give it
the stamp of approval. And that's what I think is
so shitty about fans? Is that, like, why are we
so narcissistic to believe that we know more about her
life than her? That's wacky.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's wacky. I think people just kind of
got on the I hate Janet train, and so now
they're on it. So no matter what, they're going to
stay on it, they're going to stick with it. And
I do think Kristen's going to regret she could still
not be a fan of Janet for whatever their past
history is for the past fifteen years. They can still
not be friends. But in this situation, you don't need
to hop on that. I don't like Janet train. I
don't know if she's telling the truth because you're so
so so up Danny and Nia's ass like it's not
going to turn out well for you. You know, Danny
and Ya are not fan favorites like you thought they
would be, you know.
Speaker 3: And now Kristen and Luke are not fan favorites either
because of how they've been behaving. And I just think, well, well, well,
if it isn't the consequences of your actions, I have
no who would have ever thought that Laala would be
saving the Valley number one and number two would be
the voice of reason because as you and I talked about,
as a sober woman, she is clear headed, she sees
things for how they are. She knows what's going on
in this group, and she has her finger on the
pulse in La La we trust.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's wild. I love sober Lalla. And you
know she was on Watch What Happens a lot recently.
They asked her about the Sheena of it all and
like how she's just like not going to say why
she and Sheena aren't friends. And I do know a
little bit about that from some sources air quote, And
I do think it would be kind of interesting if
Sheena comes back, because I think she was like, I
got to take a break from these people. I'm just
gonna watch my husband, who also is problematic, you know,
build things in my driveway for a season. But if
the show comes back, and I think they're trying to
breathe some life into it, I think they will bring
Sheena back. And then if there's a Shena and La
La you know problem, that is good because they do
have houses next door to each other, and yeah, yeah,
and they are They were best rider diyes and now
they're not and get Danny Nia out of here. We
don't need the Santa Clarita twelve for how many kids
they have, we don't need them all.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, here's the crazy thing. Nia's been
on this press tour now because she does her codependency dodgeball,
where now she takes the hits for Danny. She you know,
she was on Fox News talking about the secret to
a Healthy marriage and I was like, oh no, what
she was? She was on Fox News talking about the
secrets to healthy marriage?
Speaker 1: M hm? Does just okay? Does she did she reveal
what it is?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: Because you know, I couldn't bring myself to watch it,
if I'm being honest, not even for one second. I
really I was like, whatever bullshit is about to spew
out of this? I can't. I cannot listen to it.
I just think that she's doing her pageant thing. She's masking,
She's trying to put on this facade because you know,
they thought that this was going to go another way,
and you know, the fans are seeing them for who
they are. But there was one really interesting part where
Danny when he was going to get his vasectomy and
he was mad that Nia like had the had the
nerve to work while he had to get this seven
minute elective procedure, which, by the way, you know, I've
had biopsies and things without any sort of numbing at all,
and so I would just like to note the privilege
that Danny experienced getting all the healthcare.
Speaker 1: Let me just point that out, okay.
Speaker 3: But Danny said, well, you know, I like for my
woman to take care of me, and he just made
this face and I took a screenshot of it on TV.
I never did anything with it, but I was like,
this is the smug look of a man who really
just wants Nia to buy this. You're a second class
citizen in this house. Your body is feeding our children,
it's keeping them alive, it brought them here, and now
you also need to take care of me, and this
is what our religion says, is okay. So I just
think there's it's very inequitable, and Danny seems to love that,
which is again red flag red flag, red flag redlo.
Speaker 1: I do believe that the job she was going to
was probably paying for his surgery, and I do think
she makes the most money. And also if it was
such a big deal. Why didn't you just change the
date when she was right? Because it's elective.
Speaker 3: It's elective. He could have done this whenever he wanted
to do it, but I think he probably wanted to
do it on film so that he could, you know,
complain and woe is me and poor me. But it's
really going, it's really going the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: My husband had of a sectomy, came home, sat around
with peas on you know, frozen peas on the.
Speaker 2: Balls for a couple of days, watching football, and went
right back to work.
Speaker 1: It was fine, you know, And he had a complication
of some sort.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: I didn't care.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I had two c sections.
Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? Okay?
Speaker 3: All the women who their bodies have been just ravaged
and destroyed by you know, children, and then the men
are like, oh, I had a minor day of pain.
And it's like, sir, please, you're fucking yeah.
Speaker 1: I will say that that all the men in my life,
everybody has had a vasectomy, because I mean the women
are just like, oh really okay, Well then no, mo're sex.
I mean it's pretty easy.
Speaker 2: We could. We're tired of being on birth control. So
now it's your turn.
Speaker 3: You know, that's exactly right, And I love that for
your family, Mary Paine, I love it. I just love
every single bit about that.
Speaker 2: I said to my husband.
Speaker 1: And the other option is I can go back under
the knife and have my tubes tied. Now, would you
like me to have a third surgery? He's like no,
Like right, You're.
Speaker 3: Like, that's the right answer.
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago. I will tell you, guys,
goo that when the whole thing about Danny saying about
the porn and stuff. The conversation got started because you
have to have thirty five ejaculations after the vasectomy to
get all the sperm out. That's how the conversation started.
But let me tell you something. My sister's husband, they
had three sons. They were they were four to two
and zero.
Speaker 2: And her husband had a sectomy. Guess what, she had
another baby.
Speaker 1: No, Oh, it worked. He just didn't go back because
you go back for a follow up to make sure
you're shooting blanks, and he just didn't go back for
the follow up, and so he wasn't shooting blanks. And
so anyway, she's almost thirty now, the daughter. Everything's fine,
but two three sons, and then they had a daughter
because he didn't follow the instructions. So it's very important
to follow this post up instruction.
Speaker 3: Extremely important, yes, or you could.
Speaker 2: End up with the fourth child or in their case
of fifth.
Speaker 3: So so, was he saying that he had to watch
the pornography to do the thirty five ejaculations?
Speaker 1: No, because I think the guys were like, well, that's
what porn is for, that's kind of what it was.
He was like, No, it was hard because I don't
watch porn. I had to come up with things on
my own or bang my wife or I don't know what.
I don't know. I was so disgusted with him. I
was like, Okay, nobody thinks you're a hero, Like, you know,
it's not.
Speaker 3: Such a wild way to talk about your wife and
women in general. Like So, because I can't imagine that
Nia would feel really excited that he would say that
they made a tape together. She doesn't seem like she
would have signed off on that, right. And I just
think the way that he talks about sex is so
juvenile and concerning that he just like doesn't get it
at best and at worst, well, I don't want to
say at worst.
Speaker 1: Red flags? How about that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: My red flag right here there you go, yeah, red flag?
Speaker 1: So many things in this office, everybody, We are done.
Thank you so much for chatting with me. We didn't
get into Atlanta. I'm a little behind on it. I
got to catch up over the weekend. I'm a couple behind.
We've got OC. We didn't talk about that. I know
you're grateful.
Speaker 3: I'm very grateful because I cannot stand O S. I mean,
did you even it was so boring this second episode?
Didn't you think, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a little boring.
Speaker 3: It was a little it was a snooze fest. It's like, Okay,
I'm gonna be honest. I saw a little bit when
you were podcasting with Ace and Ace making fun of Shannon,
and I almost peed myself laughing because he's so correct that, like,
I feel like she does this lucial ball shtick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stopped. It's like it's like de Renda saying her
own taglines like stop stop.
Speaker 3: Right, and to me, I just think it means OC
has jumped the shark for me. But listen, we're only
two episodes in. I'm happy to come back and talk
to it. If there's something more interesting other than Tamor's
feelings were hurt. I can't. I just I you know,
I just cannot do it. I can't with the Shannon
Shannon's this sticky person. Vicky is still falling asleep at dinner.
I mean, it's like it's been twenty years but nothing
has changed. And that's kind of not what you want
to see, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people do think this is the
swan song and they'll cancel it. And then in my thoughts,
I'm like, well, maybe they'll cancel it, and then this
is what they've told Heather to brow just stay one
more season and then we'll let you go to Beverly
Hills because that's all she wants. And they're like, you,
gus season twenty and then we'll allow you to go over.
Speaker 3: And I would like to see that. Because of the
OC ladies, I think that Heather has the most to offer,
like for other franchises. Oh my gosh. Also, here's one
thing I wanted to tell you before we wrapped. Did
you see that when Jen Patrante had posted about her
son starting the fire, she was actually in Cabo. Oh
and Ryan were in Cabo, and I was like, Oh,
you're so concerned that your son set a ton of
things on fire that almost s bren't people's houses down,
and you just like casually vacationing in Cabo girl by.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, but then I have to say, like
they were probably already in Cabo, and then they got
this information, They're like, well shit, now we had to
put out a statement, but we're on a vacation.
Speaker 2: Cabo's not that you come.
Speaker 3: Home from the vacation. You can go home if you're
that can if your children. Because here's the thing that
we see in the preview, Jen talks to one of
her sons about how he's feeling about the divorce because
he's acting out. Maybe you should do that instead of
being in.
Speaker 1: Cabo, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Right, if your sons are acting out and they're doing
things that they're not used accustomed to doing, well, they
may be crying out for some help and just need
someone on one time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm always I'm always like, oh, they probably
got a free vacation or something, they were already there,
but they should have come home.
Speaker 2: They should have they should have come home.
Speaker 3: But anyway, TVD on OC. But yeah, it's it's not
looking promising to me at all.
Speaker 2: I'll always watch it.
Speaker 1: I did, like somebody pointed out that there's not any
way in any world that Shannon Badoor would be friends
with this Carmela girl. There's no way in any way
she would ever be friends with her. But she's like
my friend Carmela ever, Like, you're not friends with this girl.
Speaker 3: That's what makes me crazy about housewives. It's like, are
we still pretending that this person wasn't cast? Are we
really still trying?
Speaker 1: She lives in San Diego, right, It's.
Speaker 3: Like, and doesn't Carmela, an ex playboy who's lived an
interesting life, seem like a Shannon Badour friend. I mean,
come on, good one, but I do. The one thing
I can't wait to see is how she gets under
Vicky's skin because it's just so it is fun to
watch Vicky like freak out because she's just like so
judgy and she just she has to die with like
the og of the OC on her tombstone, like that
is her defining case characteristic And I just feel like
that's so sad. You're a beautiful woman with lots to offer,
this is your defining case, I don't. I just I
don't know.
Speaker 1: I've said too much. I'm sorry I keep dabbling. Last
thing you saw the Rone trailer, Yes, looks good.
Speaker 3: It does look good.
Speaker 2: It looks brilliant.
Speaker 1: I'm happy that they brought up about Carol being in
the Epstein files. I mean, you know, we know why
she's in the Epstein FLEs blah blah blah. We don't
have to debate that.
Speaker 2: But I did like.
Speaker 1: That Carol was like, I'm excited about the summer, even
though like I've passed my life. I mean, I have
a shirt that says Carol's last good summer. That's from
Bitch Sash. It was some of their merch. So like,
I like that Carol's back because she's closer to these
women's age, and I has Sai always had a tattoo.
Speaker 2: Behind her ear.
Speaker 3: I asked myself that question too. I'm like, either I'm
not observant or she just got that. I think that's new.
Speaker 1: That would be an choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Beside is very like, you know, she's
kind of tough. She's kind of tough, she's a little bold.
I could see her making you know, fun choices like that.
I mean, I don't find that fun. But I could
understand how that seems fun. Oh yeah, I don't behind
your fun.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 3: No to me, that would hurt soap bad.
Speaker 1: You know else has one.
Speaker 2: Brittany has one, and also Dolores's Paulie. He also has one.
Speaker 3: Pie Really listen, I have two tattoos. I'm not a
post to them, but I just feel like behind the
ear there's not a lot of tissue. It's just your
bone that seems like it would Oh god, that would
give me a headache.
Speaker 1: I can't. But I'm not a fan. Well, I have
lots of tattoos. I don't care about tattoos. I just
don't like one behind the ear. That's my personal opinion.
Speaker 3: That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: And tell everybody where they can follow you and your
podcast in all of your very very insightful posts about
what's happening on our Bravo.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. You can find me at your bish
therapist on Instagram, which I'm not gonna live. Taking a
couple days hiatus because people were really yelling at me
on the internet, and I'm gonna be honest. I needed
to check people and be like I do this for free. Okay,
this takes a lot of time, and I do it
for free and I don't make money from it. So
I'm taking a little break for a couple of days,
seeing if that helps people chill out and come correct
next time. TVD and you can also find me at
your bish Therapist a podcast. It is free and available everywhere. However,
if you like to watch video, I'm on Spotify video,
I'm on YouTube and of course Patreon www dot Patreon,
backslash your bish Therapist. Yeah, and thank you so much
for having me Mary Payne.
Speaker 1: And you guys. It comes from Joe Judai saying Teresa
Judaice was my bitch wife.
Speaker 3: Yes, I messaged Amy about she had like a question
about lexapro and I was like, Hi, this is your
bitch therapist, and then I was born from there and
then yeah, it's technically bish because you don't want to
have a person in your name. That's that inhibits you
in a little ways.
Speaker 1: But you know, I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I am I am a little bitshy.
Speaker 1: So okay, thank you, I'll see you next time.