1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendershow dot com, make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:34,200 your support. How does one go about breaking somebody out 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:40,280 of a delusion? How do you do that? I would submit? Now, 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,240 I'm not a delusion breaking expert. I'm not a psychologist 12 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:49,359 or a psychiatrist. I didn't even stay overnight at a 13 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:52,520 specific hotel. I'm just saying that it seems to me 14 00:00:52,799 --> 00:00:57,159 that the way you help break somebody's delusion is by 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:03,479 telling them the truth. And we actually have historical examples 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:09,719 of delusions being broken in exactly this way. I will 17 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:16,719 get to that, but in a completely possibly related story, 18 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:20,439 there is a piece by Eric Kaufman at unheard dot com. 19 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: That documents some new polling data. 20 00:01:24,519 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: And analyzes it and finds that since twenty twenty three, 21 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:38,400 there has been a sharp decline among gen Z's Generation Z, 22 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:44,319 there has been a sharp decline in people identifying as 23 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:51,879 transgender and as non binary, which I've never actually understood 24 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:55,920 what that is and why it's included in the rainbow 25 00:01:55,959 --> 00:02:02,400 of colors. Because the non binary, like just the name 26 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,200 of it, gives away the game that there are only 27 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:07,040 two genders. 28 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: I mean, like, wouldn't you be called like. 29 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:17,719 Speaker 1: Non omninary or something, or you would have to have 30 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:20,919 a different name, because non binary means that there is 31 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,240 binary and you are not binary, which, of course then 32 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,719 self defeats the entire name. 33 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,479 Speaker 2: It's just like all kinds of relativism, right, the. 34 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:35,599 Speaker 1: Moral relativism, for example, that there's no universal truth, no 35 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:42,479 absolute truth, except the very animating statement that defines what 36 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:49,000 relativism is is in fact an absolute right. If your 37 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,080 philosophy is that there is no absolute truth, that is 38 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,360 an absolute statement, and it is then self defeating. Your 39 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:58,439 entire philosophy goes out the window, because you're defining it 40 00:02:58,479 --> 00:03:02,800 by the thing that you say doesn't exist anyway. The 41 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:09,319 Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression FIRE, or as I 42 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,199 call it FIRE, conducted a large annual survey of US 43 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,319 undergraduates pulled over sixty thousand students in twenty twenty five, 44 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:24,039 and according to Kaufman's analysis of the raw data, it 45 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,879 shows that in that year just three point six percent 46 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:35,319 of respondents identified as a gender other than male or 47 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:41,759 female three point six percent, okay. By comparison, that figure 48 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,319 was five point two percent in twenty twenty four. Okay, 49 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,680 So it went from five point two down to three 50 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:52,719 point six in just one year. And if you go 51 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,159 back to the two years prior, if you're looking at 52 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,479 twenty twenty three and then twenty twenty two, the number 53 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:02,319 of people that are identifying, or the percentage that are 54 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:05,599 identifying as a gender other than male or female, it 55 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,439 was up almost at seven percent. Okay, So it goes 56 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:12,240 from six point eight percent to five point two, then 57 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,560 to three point six. Why is this declining? What could 58 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:21,959 be the cause? The share of trans identified students has 59 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,319 effectively been cut in half in just two years, and 60 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:33,560 the trend is especially pronounced at quote unquote elite institutions. 61 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:40,519 What's going on? Interestingly, when the trans and queer trends 62 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,839 were at their peak, freshmen were more likely to be 63 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:49,639 non conforming in their gender and sexuality than seniors were. Again, 64 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,399 these are college students, right, so at the peak seems 65 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:58,680 like it was being driven by the incoming freshmen. Now 66 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:05,120 that BTQ, which is bisexual, trans, queer or questioning, so 67 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:09,560 I would think that would be BTQQ or BTQQ squared 68 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:16,920 BTQ squared anyway, now that this identification is in decline, 69 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,800 they're seeing the reverse is true. Younger students are less 70 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:28,600 BTQ than the older students in their colleges, which makes 71 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:30,519 sense if you think about it, right, when you've got 72 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,800 freshmen coming in and they are more likely to be 73 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,439 identifying in these quote non conforming ways, and then as 74 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,639 they proceed through their college career over the last four years, 75 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:50,959 you see now the seniors are over non conforming, right, 76 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:54,160 They've got higher rates of non conforming behavior and identification. 77 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,240 And so those are the freshmen they've just moved through 78 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,519 the system. But what you would expect to see, if 79 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,759 it was dare I say something real, you would have 80 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,399 seen these numbers continuing to go up or at least 81 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:11,480 to plateau. You would expect it to at some point 82 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,560 level out right, But it's not. It went back down. 83 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:21,480 And so now you have incoming freshmen that are not 84 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:28,759 identifying in nearly the numbers as their senior cohorts. So 85 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:35,120 why Kaufman says that it's tempting to speculate about the 86 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,279 reasons behind the rise and fall of trans and queer 87 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:43,160 identities mental illness. People may point to mental illness, right, Okay, 88 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:46,240 well he takes a look at that. But that has 89 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:51,839 fallen among teens since twenty twenty one twenty twenty two, 90 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:55,240 which makes sense. That's probably pandemic related, right, you had 91 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,000 higher rates of mental illness and such in this cohort 92 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:03,800 that was coming up during the lockdowns and the masking 93 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:10,240 and the paranoid hysteria. But also, this doesn't really make 94 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:13,160 sense either, he says, because the drop in mental health 95 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:20,079 issues encompassed every social group, including trans and queer youth. Right, 96 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,319 so all populations are seeing a decline in the mental 97 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,399 illness categories mental health issues category, So that doesn't really 98 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:37,079 explain it. What about online behavior? Okay, apparently no change 99 00:07:37,079 --> 00:07:42,319 though in the online behavior of young Americans, So this 100 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,759 does not seem to be what's driving the retreat from 101 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:51,360 alternative gender and sexual identity either. Okay, what about a 102 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,360 shift towards more of an anti woke posture, right, or 103 00:07:56,439 --> 00:08:02,240 a vibe shift as the kids would say, Well, Fire 104 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,319 and other data show little change in students' political ideology 105 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,079 or party identification over the past five years. Woke attitudes 106 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,120 such as support for shouting down speakers, punishing those perceived 107 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,160 as hostile to transgenderism or Black Lives Matter that has 108 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:26,639 not receded much since twenty twenty either. Okay, so that 109 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,560 doesn't really explain it. Okay, Oh, how about this religion? 110 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:39,200 Right religion now? Despite hints of a youth religious revival, 111 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,159 the fire survey data shows no major drop in the 112 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,600 share of non religious students, who still make up nearly 113 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:51,799 half of the sample in recent years. Woke progressives and 114 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:56,480 secular students are much more likely to identify as trans, bisexual, 115 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:02,360 or queer than conservative or religious people. So that doesn't 116 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:08,960 really explain the decline. What is going on here? 117 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:09,879 Speaker 3: You know? 118 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, 119 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:15,960 to understand experiences. 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This is this is 139 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:32,240 the explanation from a certified college kid, one of two things. 140 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:36,440 One an easy way to be special in the current 141 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:42,399 environment without having to really do anything. You just claim 142 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,279 to be non binary, and people are. 143 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:47,639 Speaker 2: Like, oh my gosh, that's I really, you know, it's funny. 144 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: I had a similar kind of experience when I was 145 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:56,080 in college and I was exploring faith and religions and 146 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,720 that sort of thing philosophy, and for a while there 147 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:03,759 I would identify myself as a dist because I wasn't sure, 148 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,159 you know, and uh, I remember it like people. 149 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: Are like, oh hmm, yes, They're like, oh, that's so 150 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:11,720 enlightened and such. 151 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: You know, that was the reaction I would generally get. 152 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,159 And then after the exploration led me to back to Christianity, 153 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,080 people were amazed how stupid I became all of a sudden. 154 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:32,759 It was pretty instructive, you know, Uh, Deist, Wow, you're smart. 155 00:11:32,879 --> 00:11:36,039 Christian Wow, you got stupid all of a sudden. Yeah, 156 00:11:36,159 --> 00:11:38,799 just kind of probably along the same lines as this. 157 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,960 But no, you also, I mean, you get you get points, 158 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,600 you get credibility, you get cachet among the among your 159 00:11:47,639 --> 00:11:50,879 peer group when you identify as this special thing as 160 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:51,559 non binary. 161 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:53,519 Speaker 2: So that tracks. That makes sense. 162 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: The other explanation he says is some people have been 163 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:01,120 raised with extreme caricatures of male and female roles. So 164 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:03,799 if you're not on either extreme, like an alpha male 165 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,320 or a demure female, well then you must be non binary. Yeah, 166 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,799 like this is part of the problem. We've we've taken 167 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:19,360 essentially personality, right, people's personality. People like maybe you're not this, 168 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:27,240 you know, alpha dominant dude, you know, and so therefore, 169 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,799 well I must be non binary because I'm not that. No, 170 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:33,759 that you just have a different personality and that's fine. 171 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:35,960 It's like being a tomboy as a girl. That doesn't 172 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,200 make you a boy. It's your personality and it's fine anyway. 173 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:47,240 That's that seems pretty reasonable. So going back to this 174 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:50,960 Eric Kaufman piece at unheard dot com, he's analyzing the 175 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:58,600 polling data from uh FIRE, which is the Foundation for 176 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,759 Individual Rights and express And they've been doing these surveys 177 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,879 on college CAMPI for years and the latest study they 178 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:10,799 did had sixty thousand students, and they have been tracking 179 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,720 a decline in self identification as trans and non binary 180 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:22,879 non conforming BTQ, so bisexual, transgender, and queer slash questioning 181 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,720 or whatever. And so why have these numbers now started 182 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:29,200 dropping for like the last three years. 183 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: Why are they on the decline? 184 00:13:32,159 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: And he runs through some of these potential explanations, but 185 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:37,759 none of them really explain. You can't really it because 186 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:42,080 they don't track together. He says, trans and queer identification 187 00:13:42,159 --> 00:13:46,279 have declined among young Americans, even as levels of wokeness 188 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:50,519 and irreligion have not. For young people, gender and sexual 189 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:57,519 identity are now independent fashions that rise and fall separately 190 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:04,320 from other cultural and political currents. Yes, it's a discreete characteristic. 191 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,279 Whether trands and queer identities will drop to the levels 192 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:13,039 we saw back in twenty ten, that's still an open question, right, 193 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,039 we shall see. But the fact that both have declined 194 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:21,279 sharply in just two years is a startling and unanticipated 195 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:26,440 post progressive development that the education and media establishments will 196 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,360 be reluctant to acknowledge. 197 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:34,039 Speaker 2: All Right, So I'm just going to throw this out there. 198 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:41,039 Speaker 1: I'm just spitballing here, but I would submit that what 199 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,919 explains the drop is actually what I have been saying, 200 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,960 that this is a social contagion, and what we are 201 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,559 seeing now is an indication that the fever is breaking. 202 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,000 I think that explained, and it just so happens to 203 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,320 perfectly align with what I was saying for the last 204 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:07,799 you know, five years, So it makes me seem like 205 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,639 I know what I was talking about. So it does 206 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:15,440 fit quite nicely in my resume. So I recognize that 207 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:17,720 bias that I have, But when I read that, and 208 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:20,440 he doesn't say social contagion. He does not take up 209 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:25,120 that as a potential explanation. But to me, that is 210 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:29,600 the explanation. It makes perfect sense. At some point the 211 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,600 fever would break, and it has. That's what it seems like. 212 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,039 The fever has broken. And why has it broken? I 213 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:42,240 would submit it is due to the backlash. It is 214 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,960 due to parents, professionals, more and more people saying, you 215 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,159 know what, No, this isn't true. 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The other interesting 245 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:35,240 thing that shows it more of a environmental and not 246 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,759 biological is Hollywood having a trans kid. It's like the 247 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:42,000 latest accessory. They all need to have one. What are 248 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:43,920 the odds that less than one percent of the public 249 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,960 is transsexual, yet probably thirty percent of the Hollywood actors 250 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,400 have a trans kid. Megan Fox has three, and she's 251 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,000 at one hundred percent, well above the natural average. Yeah, 252 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,599 who is it, Cynthia and Nixon? You know who that is? 253 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,799 Of course you don't. She was one of the actors 254 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,319 in uh Sex and the City, the orange haired one, 255 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:11,440 the ginga and she at one point she was like 256 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:15,480 making some kind of half hearted run or maybe it 257 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:17,519 was just a threat to run for mayor of New 258 00:18:17,599 --> 00:18:21,319 York City. And I remember like she was talking at 259 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:25,119 some rally or something, well maybe like screaming more than talking, 260 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:27,599 but she was saying, how you know, like one of 261 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:31,200 her kids's trans, her kid's best friend is trans. Some 262 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:33,759 other friends they have is trands. Like all these people 263 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:35,119 that are around her that are trands. And it's like 264 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:41,960 just the the statistical probability that you would have that 265 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,200 many people like Megan Fox has three trans kids like that, 266 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:50,279 that is, that's statistically impossible. That's why I say this 267 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,279 is a social contagion. There's also a little bit of 268 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:57,400 the Munchhausens by proxy thing going on here with parents 269 00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:03,240 transing kids and such. In fact, here, let me play 270 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,920 this clip. This is Helen Joyce. I actually played this 271 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,960 clip several years ago. She made these comments on a 272 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:15,680 podcast hosted by Peter Bogosian. Peter Bogosian is academic guy 273 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,960 and one of the three co authors of the Grievance Studies, 274 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:25,599 along with Helen Pluckrose and James lindsay, they submitted a 275 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:32,240 bunch of fake woke papers studies quote unquote to these 276 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:36,039 various journals that are supposed to be you know, like 277 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,440 the expert class that peer reviews stuff, and like highly 278 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,839 credentialed journals in the fields of whatever, I mean, these 279 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,079 soft sciences and such. And they wrote these fake papers 280 00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:53,000 and submitted them and got like almost half of the 281 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:57,519 dozen that they submitted actually published. And they did it 282 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:03,160 to prove that there is no actual scientific rigor at 283 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,880 the publications or that's propping up these theories. As long 284 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,559 as you say the right things, you get published, and 285 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:13,920 then once you're published, then other people cite your work 286 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:22,240 as scaffolding to support your quote research. At one point, 287 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:27,279 I want to say, they had translated mind komf Hitler's autobiography. 288 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,640 They translated that and they swapped out word they swapped 289 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,839 out like Jews for various other people, and they submitted 290 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,799 it for publication like that's what they were doing. They 291 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:44,079 talked about like dogs in a dog park being racist 292 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:48,640 against black dogs because they wouldn't hump the black dogs 293 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,680 or something like that. I mean, just they made up 294 00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:56,119 just absurd studies and got them published. So Peter Bagosian 295 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,359 one of those academics, and he's interviewing Helen Joyce. She 296 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:04,559 is a writer and author and became this women's rights 297 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:10,680 activist or advocate in the UK. She's Irish and she 298 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,680 said for this interview with him, And again this was 299 00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:16,559 several years ago, and so this clip is now making 300 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:20,279 the rounds and it is especially relevant now. 301 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 4: There's a lot of people who can't move on on this, 302 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,000 and because that's the people who transition their own children. 303 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:27,680 So those people are going to be like, you know, 304 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,480 the Japanese soldiers who were on Pacific islands and didn't 305 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:33,480 know the war was over, They've got to fight forever. 306 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,119 That This is why there's another reason why this is 307 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,200 the worst, worst, worst social contagion that we'll ever have experienced. 308 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:42,319 A lot of people have done the worst thing that 309 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,160 you could do, which is to harm their children irrevocably. 310 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:47,680 Because of it, those people will have to believe that 311 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,319 they did the right thing for the rest of their lives, 312 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:51,440 for their own sanity and for their own self respect. 313 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,720 So they'll still be fighting. And each one of those 314 00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:58,599 people destroys entire organizations and entire friendship groups. And now 315 00:21:58,599 --> 00:22:00,279 you can't talk truth in front of that party, and 316 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:03,359 you know you can't, because what you're saying is you, 317 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:07,400 as a parent, have done a truly human rights abuse 318 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,799 of awful thing to your child that cannot be fixed. 319 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,799 There are specific individuals who are really actively against women's 320 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:18,279 rights here, and it's not known why they are, but 321 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:20,000 I happen to know through the back channels, so that 322 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:23,200 it's because they've trans their child. And so those people 323 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,720 will do anything for the entire rest of their lives 324 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,519 to destroy me and people like me, because people like 325 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,839 me are a standing reproach to them. I don't want 326 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,640 to be I'm not talking directly to them. I don't 327 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,960 spend my time bitching about them. But the fact is 328 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,359 that just simply by saying we will never accept natal 329 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,599 males and women's spaces. Well, it's their son that we're 330 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,799 talking about, and they've told their son that he can 331 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:48,440 get himself sterilized and destroy his sexual function and women 332 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:50,880 will accept him as a woman. And if we don't, 333 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,319 there's no way back for them and their child. They've 334 00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:56,799 sold their child a bill of goods that they can't 335 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:58,799 deliver on. And I'm the one who has to be 336 00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:02,880 bullied to try to force me to deliberalness. So those 337 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,960 people are going to meet the people who will keep 338 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,039 this bloody movement going, I'm sorry to say, because they've 339 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,880 everything to lose. 340 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was right back then, She is right right now. 341 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:21,759 The survey data shows that this social contagion appears to 342 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:25,000 be breaking, and there are going to be a lot 343 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,839 of people that are not going to be able to 344 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,400 admit what they have participated in. Remember when we had 345 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,240 Bill O'Reilly on the program a couple of months ago, 346 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:40,839 maybe a year ago, talking about the Salem witch trials. 347 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,480 I think the book was called Killing the Witches or something, 348 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,079 and same thing. It was the same thing. You had 349 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:53,920 this reward system inside of that society for these young, 350 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,440 predominantly young girls, you know, preteens, teenagers that would get 351 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,039 all sorts of attention, and then their peer group would 352 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,160 all act out together that they were being possessed, they 353 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,720 were being taken hold of by some witch. They would 354 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,960 make these accusations, and then people were put to death, 355 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:18,039 put to death, and then it finally broke, that contagion 356 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,839 finally broke. In fact, history is replete with examples of this. 357 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:30,519 Have you ever heard of the glass delusion? Happened about 358 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:35,079 four hundred years ago. The glass delusion people thought they 359 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:40,480 were made of glass. In the Middle Ages, people thought 360 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,680 that they were made of glass, which was a pretty 361 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:50,880 new technology at the time, and it particularly afflicted the nobles, 362 00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:55,079 the elites. So when I was a kid, my grandpa 363 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,759 died with Alzheimer's, and before he died, my mom and 364 00:24:57,799 --> 00:24:59,759 my dad took care of him as he got worse. 365 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,720 Forty years ago, there were no treatments and not much 366 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,000 support for caregivers and family. But things are different today 367 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,599 because of the work of so many people, including the 368 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,319 Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great organization with 369 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,440 awesome people with huge hearts. I've been a supporter for 370 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,119 twenty five years This cause means a lot to me. 371 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,000 I participate in the annual Walk to end Alzheimer's and 372 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,960 I'm leading a Charlotte team again this year and it's 373 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,799 called once again Pete's Pack. You can sign up and 374 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,079 you can join the team and walk with us. It's 375 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,640 on October eighteenth, that truest field. Sign up at alz 376 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,880 dot org slash Walk and then you can search for 377 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,839 my team name Pete's Pack. There's also a link at 378 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,720 thepetepod dot com. There's also a link in the description 379 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:46,400 of this podcast. Also, I'll be am seeing the Gastonia 380 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,599 Walk on October eleventh, and so you can make a 381 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,160 team and join that one too, or make a donation 382 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,519 and help me hit my goal of five thousand dollars. 383 00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:55,680 If you do, I really appreciate it. There are a 384 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,279 bunch of other walks all over the Carolinas. You can 385 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:00,960 go to alz dot org slaw lash Walk for all 386 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,680 the dates and locations. We're closer than ever to stopping Alzheimer's. 387 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,519 Can you help us get there? Will you walk with me? 388 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:10,599 For a different future, for families, for more time for treatments. 389 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,039 Speaker 2: This is why we walk. 390 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,519 Speaker 1: This is from the Hellion who says social contagion with 391 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,279 suicidal empathy is an awful combination. 392 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, people just they. 393 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: Just supported, they just affirmed right, and what people needed 394 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,559 to hear was truth. John from New Jersey says, fads 395 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:40,799 come and go. This fad is passing that and eventually 396 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,240 logic sets in and then a random seven oh four 397 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,079 number says it can be explained easy it was. It 398 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,440 is a fad, right, well, that I mean, a social contagion. 399 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,160 You can call it a fad if you want, but 400 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,599 like it means, you know, it means a certain thing. 401 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,119 It's like an irrational I mean, because a fad can 402 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,240 be something that has a rational basis why people start 403 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:07,119 doing something. An irrational fad, I guess, is more social contagion, right, 404 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,720 It's an irrational belief in something. In this case, it 405 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,640 is delusion, the belief in a thing that is not true. 406 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,960 And in that regard, it's very similar to the glass delusion, 407 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,480 which was a disorder that popped up in the fifteenth 408 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:31,960 century or no, yeah, well six no, seventeenth century, late 409 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,960 sixteenth early century, seventeenth century in the Middle Ages in Europe. 410 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:41,160 In fact, Princess Alexandra Amili and King Charles the sixth 411 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:47,240 both had it, and it's in popular plays from the time, 412 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:53,279 it's in literature over the centuries. What exactly was the 413 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,480 cause of this peculiar manifestation of mental illness. This is 414 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:02,240 at history dot Com at the time attributed it to 415 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:07,880 the now discredited diagnosis of melancholy, a kind of noble depression, 416 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,480 not like noble as in rich people right. Aristocracy is 417 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:19,279 often linked to the powerful, the wealthy, the geniuses. In 418 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,559 the case of the royals, contemporary psychologists speculate that believing 419 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,799 one was glass could have been a way of expressing 420 00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:32,759 how vulnerable and fragile and exposed they felt in their 421 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:37,359 public positions. It was a way of expressing humanity, sensitivity, 422 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,440 and perhaps a desire to be left alone. So this 423 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,279 was one of the things people who thought they were 424 00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,799 glass they would not allow you to come near them 425 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:53,839 for fear that you would literally break them. At the time, glass, 426 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,960 particularly clear glass, was a precious new commodity. It was 427 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:04,519 mostly found in royal palaces, churches, and government buildings. According 428 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:10,240 to Professor Edward Shorter, a historian of psychiatry at the 429 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:16,400 University of Toronto, fixations with innovative materials have been reported 430 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,519 throughout history. Before the glass delusion, there were people who 431 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:25,960 believed that their bodies were composed of earthenware, and during 432 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,279 the nineteenth century people started to believe that they were 433 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:34,640 made of the dominant construction material of that day, concrete. 434 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,799 Later on industrial Revolution, I would point out there were 435 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,799 people that thought they were machines, that they were these 436 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:46,279 big industrial machines, that they had been constructed somehow. Our 437 00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:50,920 modern day delusions tend to involve technology. Sufferers may believe 438 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,119 the government has planted a microchip in their brain, or 439 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,799 that a computer is constantly monitoring. Well, that actually is true, 440 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:05,799 there is, yeah, So how do you break the delusion? 441 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,839 You break it with truth. There was one report at 442 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,640 the time, again four hundred years ago, that a doctor 443 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:19,319 beat one of his patients, just started wailing on him 444 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,960 because the guy thought that he was made of glass. 445 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:24,559 And to prove to the guy that he was not 446 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,759 made of glass, the doctor just beat him. See, you're 447 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,720 not broken. You would have been broken if you were glass. 448 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,440 And it seems to have solved the problem. 449 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: All right. Let me go over and talk with John. Hello, John, 450 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:40,000 welcome to the show. 451 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:46,039 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, test your geniosity here do you remember, mid 452 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:51,039 to late eighties. I just moved here and there was 453 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:59,880 the daycare accusations against a particular owner of all the 454 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,000 just wild, crazy abuses of the kids, and it hit 455 00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:09,039 several daycares here and it was all over. 456 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: That was all over. 457 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: There were a lot of them down in Florida. That 458 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,240 was a Yeah, that was the That was a panic. 459 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,200 It was tied into the Satanic panic as well of 460 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,319 the time, where every people thought there were Satanists, you know, 461 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,039 holding secret Satan rituals and such, you know, after hours 462 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:27,079 and all these businesses. 463 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:32,279 Speaker 3: Sure, how many innocents daycare owners went to prison? 464 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there were, there were a few. 465 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: There's I've seen a couple of documentaries over the years 466 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,880 about that panic as well. 467 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it is a invasion. 468 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:41,519 Speaker 2: I guess. 469 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:44,519 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean they call it a panic, so yeah, 470 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,480 I mean it could be. I mean, I think there's 471 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,079 probably an element of the panic because people weren't saying, like, 472 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,799 I'm a Satanist. You know, they're not saying I'm a 473 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,559 daycare abuser, right, they were accusing everybody else of being 474 00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,599 that thing. They weren't. They didn't actually believe that they 475 00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,440 were the thing. So I guess maybe that's a minor 476 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,759 difference in the in the application of the label, but yeah, 477 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,279 I mean it's it's of a similar kind. 478 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:10,839 Speaker 3: He's proven your geniosity. 479 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: Well, thank you sir, Thank you. John. No, it's a 480 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,079 good example, same sort of dynamic. 481 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. 482 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,079 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. 483 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,359 Speaker 1: I could not do the show without your support and 484 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,079 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 485 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,519 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 486 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:29,279 them you heard it here. You can also become a 487 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:33,960 patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, 488 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,759 thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything 489 00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,160 while I'm gone.