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Speaker 1: Welcome to the crime page. But Bideny doesn't podcast. It's

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getting tense out there. It's getting very ugly. Hasn't it

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always been ugly? Though, if you've been paying attention, it's

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not that bad. I get well, that's pretty bad. I'm

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not gonna lie. At least if you're in the United States.

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The culture of climate's really it's a great time to

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go outside, to turn down, to turn off the fucking phone,

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stop playing into the conflict algorithm best you can, and

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just you know, just let the ship sink and just

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go out and look at some cool shit outside, you know,

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study some stuff that doesn't have anything to do with

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the bleak human world. Anyway. I'm in Chicago right now,

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and you know, it's been a real nice we I

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did four shows already. Let me let me turn this

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thing up. Yeah it was. There was Otis rush, the

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wonderful Otis rush, the comforting, soothing sound. At least if

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you're in a tri state region, just think of that

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beautiful monarch to Ficillosa patch that I seen over there

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by Gary. You know, I miss the uh, the rusting,

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the PCB laden soil and the rusting iron train bridges. Anyway. Yeah,

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I'm in Chicago. It's been nice. It's out the Midwest

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in the summer is nice, you know. I went downtown

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with my kid, tried to sneak into the Art Institute,

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which used to be free, and now they charged for it,

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and we couldn't do that, so she got in for free.

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I paid twenty bucks, fucking twenty bucks to go to

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the museum. Fuck, but you do it like once every

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couple of years or something. I got in there for

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free last year with my friend Oscar. He knew someone

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who worked there. But that's you know, I don't know.

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I don't know. I think that connection is lost. I

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don't know. Anyway, The Art Institute's not that great anyway,

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you know, making some fizzy water. I mean it's nice

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for a little bit, but you know, a lot of art,

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you know, it's you go in there. People are sitting

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there staring at the wall, trying to look like they're

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deep in thought. They're very introspective. You know. It's fun

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to go in there with a five year old. I

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like going on a five year old. I like looking

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at the on ora whatever. I'm not at how to

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speak French, how you say it? Domier, the Domier Prince been.

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You know, I've been enjoying that guy stuff since I

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was like fifteen, but a lot of the other you know,

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I just think it's some of it's cramp. And then

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you go through the whole period where it's all these

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rich bucks paying you know, paying these guys to paint

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them or to paint the you know, the neoclassical stuff.

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Very very very boring. But yeah, it's fun if you

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take a five year old kid who's got a d

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and it is super spastick in there, and uh and

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so we did that, and then they they got like

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a medieval section, all this medieval weaponry, which she would

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have loved to see too, but that was closed off.

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So anyway, and then you can we stopped at the

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cafe and it's fucking I mean, any artmy it's so

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hard because the connection between art and like very wealthy

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people it's hard to break, you know, So it's hard

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to break that. It's just it's kind of who to

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the territory, so it's really easy to make fun of.

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So you go to the cafe and it's like sixteen

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dollars for a fucking croissant or something, and so I

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go in there and you know, she's asking me to

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get a cookie or some stuff, and I loudly say,

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I can't get that for you because it's overpriced. I

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feel like I'm being you know, shaken upside down, picked

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up by the by the ankle and shaking upside downs

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at all the change falls out of my pocket. That's

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what it feels like looking at the prices here. So

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she got you know, she had fun for a little bit,

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but then she got bored. And then we went to

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the Dinosaur Museum, which is great. I can always get

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in air for free. And uh, but but I think

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she saw I let her watch that movie not at

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the museum six months ago, and that fucked everything up

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for it. She didn't want to go. She didn't want

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to go to the museum anymore. She's because she kept

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telling me they're all going to come alive after six pm.

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watch that movie word to the wise. But uh, anyway,

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so after that we went out and uh, we got

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you can like rent these bikes, you know, so like

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you pay ten bucks rent this, like it's like an

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electric bike. And so we went on that and I was,

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you know, this is probably illegal or something, but you know,

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because we didn't have any she didn't have a helmet

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or anything. I said, just right on the center bar

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and uh, like in between my arms because it's big.

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we just cruised along the lake. That was really fucking nice.

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She had a blast, and yeah, so we did that

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for a while and then we went to the They

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got like a garden across from the Art Institute where

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you can it's all it's like mostly native prairie plants,

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which is great because the Illinois prairie is intoxicating. And

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there's some you know, they had like Russian sage and like,

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you know, somebody just horticultural bullshit mixed in, but not

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that much. It was mostly the prairie stuff. They had

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Gentians going out, the Gentians, the bottle Gentians, the blue

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bottle flower that only a bumblebee can pry open the

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fucking pedals and get in there, you know, really cool

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pollination syndrome. They had all good prairie stuff right in downtown.

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Like you're looking at these you know, uh, skyscrapers filled

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with probably you know, horrible entities and uh, and you're

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right downtown at the lake. You know, Lake Michigan, the

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world's largest freshwater one of the largest freshwater lakes. And

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then there's like this prairie set up. It was fucking beautiful.

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It was crazy. I guess it's been there for a while.

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But you know, when I was a kid coming up,

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you'd go downtown and it would be shitty tulips. I

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think they've still got the shitty tulips in a lot

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of places. You know, just all this horticultural bullshit that's

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totally disconnected from from ecological and biological reality. But uh,

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but not so anymore. There's a lot of native fliff

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they had. They had American smoke trees downtown in the Loop.

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They got the Uh, they got some big ass playground.

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We went there. You know, she was having a blast

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plan on it. I think it's the Maggie Daily Playground

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mag Maggie Daily. And Uh, anyway, they got American smoke

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trees planted a bunch of native plants. Is nice. You

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know that park is nice. I made fun of it

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when it was coming out maybe twenty years ago, but

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it's it's actually very nice. So and it's it's I

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like the idea, that's cool, tough. They got bathrooms in there.

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You know, you can hang out there without spending any money,

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just hang out in the park. I mean it was

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you know, it was like what ninety It was like

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eighty seven degrees out, which is hot for Chicago. That's

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Chili where I'm from, but that's hot for Chicago. But

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we you know, there's there's plenty of shade. It fucking

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smells nice. There's cool bugs and insects round that. I

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guess it's called the Louie Garden. And they shut the

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whole park down except for one entrance. Said, that's kind

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of fucking wick. I don't they're doing it to keep

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people out for you know, I maybe don't want people

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sleeping in there. I don't know. They're trying to regulate.

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You can still get in, but only through one way.

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And then they are I think they search bags for

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make sure you don't got any weapons or anything. It's

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still a little Chicago. But it's fucking fine. It's safe

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in there, you know it. So I don't get all

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these you know people, although this is mainly on the

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right wing front right, you know, get get told though,

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it's it's terrifying of it's certain neighborhoods. Man, And like

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they like, any city's gonna have violence in it, and

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it's gonna be restricted to certain neighborhoods. Maybe it pops

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out every once in a while, but there's violence. I mean,

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violence is so commonplace in America right now. It's not

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like one place has a monopoly in it on it.

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But uh, you know, you're just being a victim of

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the conflict algorithm and the propaganda machine, which again is everywhere,

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and it is on both sides. I mean, I tend

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to be a little more incense that the shit coming

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out of the right, but it is coming out of

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both sides. It's all part of the same disease, you know.

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But uh but anyway, yeah, you know, it was fucking

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It's great. And my kid. I love that. My kid

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loves the city too, like she acts, she loves going

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down there. I want her to not be afraid of

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large groups of people. Cities are where the hope is

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at for people. You know, you got to have. You

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can't they can't get they need to be loose. They

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can't get too loose. You can't have, you know, crackhead

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shitting in the park, a tweaker setting fire to fucking trees,

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you know, and then you know you don't want to

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just you don't want to do anything about it because

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they're like they're like, oh, marginalized people, They're like, just

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let them be. Like that was kind of like the

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thing I dealt with out West, you know, when I

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lived in California and I got really it got fucking gnarly,

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like Oakland got I love Oakland, but it got gnarly

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at a point, like just human shit everywhere. And we

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all understand, anyone who's got half a degree of understanding

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in the human condition understands why that happened. The rich

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moved in, they bought up houses. People couldn't afford to

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live there anymore. They got pushed to the street. Then

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they get stuck on fentanyl and dope, and next thing

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you know, there's no chance in hell of them getting

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off of it. But you know, it ended up to

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the point where like the there was no there was

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like just don't do anything, like just like give people

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clean needles, harm reduction, but don't fucking fix anything like that.

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Shit got a little insane after a while because there's

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like nothing came of it. Like you can't just let

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people destroy the commons because you know their addicts. You

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can have sympathy for someone and else and be like, look, man,

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you can't do this is some bullshit, you know. Anyway,

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why we're not getting into that. The point is downtown

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Chicago is fucking right. I've been hanging out there, you know,

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on and off for the last twenty five years of

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my life, finding trouble to get into finding places to lurk.

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We went and lurked at Billy Go Tavern, the one

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that's underground that I've been going through for twenty years.

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You can get a sandwich for like five bucks and

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go sit in the corner and draw, you know, in

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the on the against the fake wood paneling with all

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the photos on the wall, and it's it's it's like

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down by Lower Whacker and Hubbard Street, you know, super cutty,

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really nice. They only give you one refill if you

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get a soda or something, but you can get coffee.

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You know. They made they improved the bathrooms, which I

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I thought was that was a little much for me.

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I liked it. I liked it when the bathrooms were

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nasty and had you know, ballpoint pan graffiti written on

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the stalls. Now they're a little bit too clear. They've

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really taken a step up, I mean, are not. I

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still wouldn't eat off the floor or anything, but I'm

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just saying it's they're cleaner than they used to be,

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you know. But that Billy Go Tavern was great. I've

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been going there forever. Man, It's a fucking wonderful, wonderful spot.

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I remember I tried to get a beer there when

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I was like twenty one. On the bartender to told

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me to go home and drink milk and started making

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fun of me. He said it in like broken English.

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He was Greek. It's like, fuck you, you old man. I'll

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snake my own beer in next time. But uh, anyway,

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so we hung out there, and uh yeah, man, we

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just I just spent like eight hours hanging out in

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downtown Chicago with my kid, doing all the same shit

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I used to do when I was younger, but you know,

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with her in tow and uh, it was super fun.

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It was nice. But you know, she likes being done

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and she likes being in a canyon of buildings, you know,

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the fucking with the Spider Man scenery, you know, and

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uh she likes, you know, seeing the trains go by

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and all that. Just so much interesting stuff. It's so stimulating,

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and I think that's really important for kids to have

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exposure to just exploring like the lively, fun parts of

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a city during the day on their own, you know,

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so they don't end up like one of these turds

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that's afraid of You don't want to to be afraid

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of cities, and you don't want them to be afraid

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of nature either. Both are pretty pathetic, and that's the

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American condition. That's when you end up stuck inside and

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all you're doing with your fucking free time is playing

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video games, hitting the vake pen and maybe drinking a

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fucking doctor pepper. You know. I don't know, man, I

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don't know. What do people do is you look at

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the landscape here? I mean again, here I go again.

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You look at the landscape here. That's all you can do.

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You're trapped in a car everywhere. So nature and good,

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healthy functioning cities, that's what you want, you know, a

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bunch of different kinds of people, cool shit, you know,

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little nooks and crannies, good public transit stuff to get

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into it's really good for kids. So anyway, so I

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was at the Luri Garden Lourie. I don't know who

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that is. It's like a it's a staffed garden, and

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only I got yelled at. Some old white lady came

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and yelled at me and told me to get out

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of the beds because I was looking at I was

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trying to figure out if it was Salvia Azuria or

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Salvia or the Russian stage the horticultural bullshit, And it

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turns out they had both. But I stepped into the bed.

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It's a prairie bed, you know. She came by it, Nan,

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It's just typical. I'm used to it. It's okay, And

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I said, yes, yes, yes, you know, just yes whatever,

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you know, you blow smoke up their ass and they

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leave you alone. But but then it turned out I

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knew someone who was working there. She had come to

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the show a younger ladies. She had come to the

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show I did in Monie a few days prior, and

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she was really cool and she said, you know, yeah,

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basically this is actually pretty little Maintenan. It's like once

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it's all the stuff is put in, like it volunteers itself.

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They had like actress. They had. Everything was producing seeds too,

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so I'm sure you get tons of volunteers. Again, this

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is this little prairie garden in downtown Chicago. You could

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see all the skyscrapers. You're surrounded by all the skyscrapers.

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Is north of the Art Institute. And she said, you know,

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she basically said that, She said, yeah, we you know,

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we we mow it down in spring after it's been

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able to feed the birds. And there were a ton

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of birds coming through getting seeds out of there. There

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were butterflies that were cool, bumblebees, just fucking dope. It's great.

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It's everything that happens when you kill a lawn in

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this region and replant the prairie, you know, and again everything,

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the tops of everything die by November. Nothing is a lot.

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Everything's dormant in the root underground. That's what an herbasious

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perennial is. The shoots die, the tops die, and the

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plant can live for a century, but the tops die

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every year. And that's of course also what built up

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that wonderful prairie top soil that European settlers came and

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you know, took every last bit of except for little

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crumbs and turned into mono mono crops or soy being

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in corn. So anyway, she said it's low maintenance whatever,

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and so I posted photos on the face Crook page. Again,

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Facebook's are terrible, It's generally a terrible app, but I

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got a long reach there. I can reach a lot

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of people with this message. This company set it up

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for me five years ago, you know, and tried to

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basically make money off of it, and they built up

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all this. They probably did make money of it. They

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didn't pay me shit until me and now threatened to

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basically make a series of videos making fun at their

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expense and calling them up on it. And then they

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actually they gave me a small amount of cash, and

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then a year later closed the whole thing and said

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you could just have it. We're abandoning this. It's not

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profitable enough for us. But by that point I already

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had five hundred thousand people following it. So I said, Okay,

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what the fuck, I'll roll with it. And it's taken

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me a while to figure out how I wasn't actually

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trying to figure out. I guess just fell into it.

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How to actually make it work just short form bullshit,

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but it gets the message out there of reconnecting with

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the living world and killing the lawn and changing the

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whole way that you look at how plants should look,

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or at garden. I don't even like saying the word

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garden that thinks that makes me think of like some

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rich housewife shit. It's a yard. It's a fucking piece

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of property. I plant the shit that I want to

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grow on it because I like being around that stuff,

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because it makes me feel less like puking when I

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have to be around human beings, at least in this society, right,

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fifty percent of them are fucking nitweights and assholes, or

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they're insane, especially well, if you add the insanity part,

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we're talking like seventy five percent of people you're gonna

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come into contact with are you know, have mental health

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issues and you can't fault them for it because look

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at where we live. Or they're just assholes or netwits

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whatever you know, and don't fault anybody, no judgment. They're great.

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I'll be nice to everybody, just you know, there's some

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people I definitely and not hav anything to do with.

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That said, so I put some up on the Facecrook page,

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you know, showing this video of this garden and how

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great it was. And there's always that fucking one guy.

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There's it's always a dude. It's always a guy, and

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it's always you always assume it's some dude from an

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affluent background, you know, well, it's fucking well to do,

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and this is his career. He's actually a professional. And

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he kind of goes in and he's like, you're acting

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like this isn't a well worked garden, that this isn't

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well stewarded and doesn't require a whole laundry list of

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people working behind it and staff. And but and I said, no,

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I'm not saying about that. No, I guess I it

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probably does. It's in the fucking downtown loop. But I

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just literally talked to someone who works there. She said,

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they don't do shit except have a little you know,

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booth with a shade pavilion over it, a little you know,

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one of those little pop up shape villions over it

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so they can tell the public about it. And it's

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all they do. It doesn't take anything, it doesn't. I mean,

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it's it's the fucking period. It's one of the easiest

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biomes to recreate on a piece of land, right, you

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get the shit established. You weed it a couple of times,

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and then it gets so dense and it only gets

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yate tall, right, nothing else can get in there, and

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it's it works fine, and then they produce prodigious bunts

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of seeds. They receive, they come back every year. You're

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not building a spaceship out of toothpicks and trying to

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get to the moon. Man, this is you know. But

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of course to say that, to imply that it was

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is easy, wou similarly diminish this man's expertise. At least

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maybe that's what he thinks. I don't know. So some

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guy came on shit all over it and you know,

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basically said things that would and it's okay, you can

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shit on me. That's fine. I'll just tell you to

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go fuck yourself, maybe delete your comment. You can go

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go on, get the fuck out here, go find you know,

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go start your own page, junior, whatever the fuck. But

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you know, but when you start discouraging it for other people,

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that's when I'm like, this is bullshit, Like you're you're

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making this. You know, I've done this dozens of times

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in different regions. You know, the prairie is one of

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the easiest biomes to recreate of any reason you could

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be in And you know, I've seen people do this

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to their own spaces. They fucking love it. They send

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me emails all excited the shit they see coming back,

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the cool insects, cool bugs, cool birds, you know whatever

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coming back, and how they talk about how it heals them,

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how it literally makes them want to puke less and

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it like takes them down tonight, which which makes sense,

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because that's how we spent the last three hundred thousand

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fucking years as a species doing. We spent evolving with

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these plants and with the things around us. You know,

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it's not surprising that it feels good. You don't need

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all those studies to tell you that it feels good

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to be around this stuff, but they're certainly there. If

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you want to go on Google scholar and look look

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for you know, how green quote green spaces, you know,

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native plant gardens, whatever the fuck you want to call it,

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how it makes people feel better. All the data's there. Okay,

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it's part of the presentation I do. So this guy

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kind of just shits all over it to make it.

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You know, I just I couldn't understand, you know, it's

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just one of those obvious cases. To me, it's like,

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just talk to your fucking shrink, man, Look, what are

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you doing here? Like you're just kind of you're not

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being helpful, You're not like throwing in advice, You're not

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being supportive or encouraging. You're just kind of being a cunt.

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You're being a cunt. It's all you're doing. I don't

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use that word mostly for males, mostly to refer to men, right,

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because a lot of men can act like cunts. You're

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acting like a cunt. Why are you doing this? Like? Why?

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Like I would, I may not approve of something that

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someone's or the way someone's doing it, but like if

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they're doing if the overall thing they're doing leads to

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positive effects for them, and they're fucking like if someone's

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anything a portrait and they're like, really, I love painting.

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I love painting, and what their painting looks like shit

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or it looks like something a nine year old design.

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I'm not gonna go in there and shit all over it.

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I say, good for you, that's fucking great. You know.

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Maybe it's not something I'm gonna hang above mike toilet

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or my kitchen sink, but good for fucking you. That's great.

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You're excited about it, right, And that's what I see happening.

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I've seen it happen to literally hundreds of people that

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I've gotten emails from or spoke to or come up

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to me. It shows and here's this guy shitting all

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over and I look him up and he's like, yeah,

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he's got like this super you know, produced, He's probably

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got someone designing his content for him. Looks really well

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put together. He's read a couple of books and actually,

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you know, and I'm okay, there we go. This is

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this he's a professional, this is his career. I couldn't

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fucking believe him. Man. I was like Jesus Christ, you know.

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But then I it made me think more, like I've

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it made me realize more. I've encountered this kind of

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person so many times, these landscape architects, these landscape designers.

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You know, when we were we're doing Kill Your Lawn,

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nine out of every ten landscapers that we worked with,

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and we had to work with landscapers because there was

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a production company doing it. They wanted the show to

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be done. We were filming lawn Kills in like five days, right,

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and so they wouldn't, you know, whereas like if I

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did it, I would it would take longer. If I

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did it myself, we'd be, you know, out there the

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whole thing. So that we were doing two longs at

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a time, five days each, and then we'd rotate between

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the two properties that we were who's long we were killing,

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and then we do that rotaping those two properties and

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be going out to habitat to film film nature. And

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I interacted with so many fucking landscaper I think they

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were like, I don't. We probably interacted with like forty

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landscapers over the two seasons we filmed that small scale

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TV show that nobody can watch until we get my

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friend b the pirate it again and throw it up

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on YouTube. Yes, I'm actually I'm promoting people to pirate

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my own fucking TV show because that's the only way

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anyone's gonna be able to watch it. I probably shouldn't

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be saying this on the record, but I'm hoping that

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the media company won't. That said when we when we

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would interact with these landscapers because the production company would

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find them. The production company was cool, but they just

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didn't know anybody. They don't know about this. I mean

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literally we had we I spoke to thirty five of

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these motherfuckers, maybe thirty, and I think four or five

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of them were cool. They seemed like people who went

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out and spent time in these wonderful places where we

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would go to in habitat to try and seek inspiration from,

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and to try to get a species list from and

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to just because I wanted to film habitat. That's mostly

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what I wanted to do. I didn't want to film.

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I didn't want to spend my day in the suburbs

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filming these fucking yards. I wanted to go out into habitat,

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and so I would. I it was a problem. Like

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me and Al even made a song about it. You know,

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we made a song called you Got to Watch these

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Fucking Landscape Skapers, and it was sung in like a

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folky you know, overproduced, really corny ass nineties style, fucking

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you know, some hockey shit. It's not like, hey, yeah,

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that's these fucking lens. You know. We had our whole

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way about it, like the song was meant to make

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you feel like vomiting, because that's what I felt like

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whenever I saw the work that most of these people

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did they'd send me their designs and it was all

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fucking paint by numbers, all the colors grouped together. It

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just horrific. Shit looked ridiculous. It looked asinine. And then

468
00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:22,839
when you try to talk to him, and I'd be polite,

469
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,359
as polite as I could be. L is a lot

470
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,039
more polite than me, but I would still be polite.

471
00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:27,839
And I said, well, you know, we're not really trying

472
00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:29,440
to do that. We got something else we're doing. We're

473
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,799
trying to actually, you know, make it look like the

474
00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:35,200
native habitats were going to and you know, we're not

475
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,039
gonna We don't want to put all the yellows together.

476
00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:38,960
Maybe we'll, you know, we don't want to make it

477
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,240
look like a stained glass painting where all the you know,

478
00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:44,960
all the yellow flowering species are here, all the blue

479
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,880
flowering species they're here. That everything flattened it a line.

480
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,839
One of them tried doing that. He tried doing the

481
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,440
fucking pixelated thing where I like, you look at it

482
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,240
from a overhead drone shot looking down, it looks like

483
00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:01,000
pixels on everything's evenly spaced, and just fucking goofy, what

484
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:02,839
are you doing? Make what are you doing? Stop that

485
00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:07,519
stop whatever you're doing. Ah, you're sociopath. Take that weird,

486
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:12,160
evolutionarily obsolete primate neurosis somewhere else. Do that when you're

487
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,440
stacking up fucking dominoes or your figurines on a shelf,

488
00:23:16,519 --> 00:23:19,359
for if you're doing inventory at the Dollar General, do it.

489
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,599
Save it for that. We're not doing that here. That

490
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,640
doesn't look you don't see that in nature, right. And

491
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,640
so when you're tell them this, I would be polite.

492
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,559
I wouldn't say it like I just said it to you.

493
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:31,119
I would be polite and say, hey, you know, we're

494
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,960
not really doing We're gonna do something different. Maybe we'll

495
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,440
mix it up a little bit. And then they would

496
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,599
a they'd get all offended, but they wouldn't come out

497
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:40,559
and say it because they remember, these people are cunts.

498
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:42,880
They can't actually just say nah, I know, fuck you guys,

499
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,000
you guys are wrong. They'd come out and they'd be

500
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,359
I wish they would, right, just go to confrontation. They

501
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,200
would come and they well, you know that's not that's

502
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,839
not really what I see. And I mean just the

503
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,160
most condescending. And they do it in this passive way

504
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:00,440
where like you're almost unsure at first if they are

505
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,160
being a cunt. And then by the time you do

506
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,039
realize that, yes, this person is indeed being a cunt,

507
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,039
this man is being a cunt. He's being a total

508
00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:12,920
shit bag, like passive aggressive twat. He's already gone like

509
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,480
he's already gone home for the day. You're like, motherfucker man,

510
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,079
you know. And so, and that's something of course people

511
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:21,480
from affluent backgrounds do, especially, they're really good at that.

512
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,960
They're really good at passive aggressive shit, right, because that's

513
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,359
how I think, that's how you have to exist in

514
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,319
that society, right. You can't be open about your hatreds

515
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,519
for each other. You have to milk it and mask

516
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,960
it and whatever, you know, put a put a nice

517
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,359
painted face over it. So anyway, and then we had

518
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,680
one guy tell us, like Piso wholesale nursery. They're open

519
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,920
to the public. Now I spoke there last Sunday, great

520
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,119
fucking nursery. They grow stuff in plugs. They grow some

521
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,720
of the best plants. I wish we had one of

522
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,079
those in Texas where they just grew like a flat

523
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,079
of Texas natives, a flat of like Texas per Simon,

524
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,400
or a flat of fucking you know, mud laurels, which

525
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,000
aren't laurels at all, just you know, dermatophylums. They gave us.

526
00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:04,279
They donated like a couple of flats of stuff. And

527
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:06,839
I had this twat, this guy, one of these landscapers,

528
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,000
you know, rich kid raised the total fucking rich kids syndrome,

529
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,319
except he's like fifty years old now. I had him

530
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,440
tell me that the plants that we got, know, he

531
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,599
told the other the homeowner that we were working with,

532
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,400
who was just like some working class electrician dude. He didn't,

533
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,319
you know, he told them that the plants that we

534
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:27,880
were planting were inferior. He had never seen them. He

535
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,640
had no idea that they were inferior, since they were

536
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:35,359
you know, secondhand dumpings, that they were the leavings of,

537
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,440
you know, basically the Rejackson. I mean, this guy had

538
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,839
no idea. What he was talking about was just being

539
00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,880
a twat. I don't know why he was offended by it,

540
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,559
because I mean he was getting paid either way. I

541
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,799
think maybe it did impact. You know, he was charging

542
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,519
an arm and a leg. I saw the prices that

543
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:54,640
some of these fucking landscapers charged. I was I was shocked.

544
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,279
I was offended. I was almost embarrassed to be affiliated

545
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,400
with the project at certain I was like, you're spending

546
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:05,359
what like it shouldn't cost that much. That's insane, man,

547
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,319
that's fucking insane, even like installs I've done for people,

548
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,119
like after all said and done, work and plants and

549
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,440
my own labor and everything, four or five grand and

550
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,240
now you get a whole fucking yard. And I almost

551
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:20,759
feel bad charging that, right, these motherfuckers are charging you know,

552
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,160
ninety grand and some. I couldn't believe it, man, I

553
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,720
was like, that's fucking obscene. This is not supposed to

554
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:28,400
be just for rich people. This is something if you're

555
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,319
doing all the work yourself, you could do for a

556
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,480
thousand bucks maybe less. And you do that once and

557
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,200
then you don't have to do it again. You don't

558
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,279
have to mow. You just go in there once every

559
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:40,039
month or two weed whack, trim shit up, rip out

560
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,279
some weeds, whatever. And then you see the goal is

561
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:45,000
to get people to spend time with their fucking with

562
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,799
the land they live on and get out there and

563
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:48,559
actually sit in and put it like a path that

564
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,039
goes through the native plant yard, little table bench whatever.

565
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:55,640
So anyway, but these landscapers made it was. It was

566
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,240
a total It's a total thing that I encounter all

567
00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:01,160
the time, and I think it's just, yeah, I you know,

568
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,920
landscapers most there's not a lot of you know, blue

569
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,000
collar electricians, you know, do highering landscapers, you know, or

570
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,680
fucking it's it's mostly an affluent thing. It's mostly a

571
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:18,200
very certain, a very specific demographic, you know, paying up

572
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,680
the ass for this ship. And so I think that's

573
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,799
why we ended up with this thing. But I realized this,

574
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,119
you know, you almost can't hate them for it, because

575
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,200
in many ways, it's like a it's like, uh, you know,

576
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,839
if you say, you meet someone who really wants to

577
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:35,799
get into tattooing and they want a tattoo plants. But

578
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,279
you know, most of the public, most people what they want,

579
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,599
you know, they're gonna come in, they're gonna be asking

580
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,200
for dumb tribal tattoos, bullshit like that Koi fish and

581
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,599
pirate ships and whatever the stupid shit that most people get.

582
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,920
It's just it's just the nature of the beast, right,

583
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,519
It's just the nature of the masses. Right. If it sells,

584
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:58,680
it sucks. Generally speaking, what the masses normally want normally

585
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:03,400
is not uh, very pasteful or mentally stimulating. It's bottom

586
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,119
of the brain stem shit, right, It's it's lowest common

587
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,240
denominare stuff. So I don't know, so maybe that's why

588
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,599
a lot of landscapers do this. But I think also

589
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,759
like whenever I've had an issue with this, That's the

590
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,559
other thing is, like I'm trying to think if there

591
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,680
were any women, I think it was always men that

592
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:21,680
I would have this issue with, right. I think probably

593
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:25,680
just because the ego involved, you know, like obviously he

594
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,319
can get issues with like rich lady landscapers too, but

595
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,599
with this kind of shit, it was always men. I'm

596
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:32,680
a professional, This is an a front to my ego.

597
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Who is this trespasser in my you know, in my

598
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,799
lily white playground? Who is this this filthy trespasser who

599
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:43,079
didn't go to school for this, didn't get it, didn't

600
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,359
get a degree in this. What is he doing here?

601
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:46,920
And who does he think he is, that he's any

602
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,279
kind of authority or that he that kind of shit?

603
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:53,920
You know, these fucking Chauncey, these fucking you know who

604
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,160
I'm talking about. These are these candy ass Chauncey landscape

605
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,440
designers with their thick, black rimmed glasses and they're paddag

606
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,160
on your clothing and or what do they wear? What

607
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,480
do they what do they wear? You don't have to

608
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:10,920
talking about the teal colors you go to RII. You

609
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
could pick the whole fucking wardrobe out for these fucks.

610
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,279
You know what I mean? Very clean, very clean. Wish

611
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,480
I knew one that just had a neck tattoo, you know,

612
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:25,079
like you know or self preferred as a as a

613
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,480
slob or something you know, or with you were just

614
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:31,119
openly pissing the bushes at a job site, that would

615
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,640
be terrific. Those are the people that'll trust, you know,

616
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,720
or someone who used to be a tweaker. That's my

617
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,480
accountant used to be a tweaker. I got a text

618
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,640
from her the other day she said, hey, thanks for

619
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,559
sending those forms in. By the way, you know, as

620
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,559
it's my twenty year anniversary getting clean off math. Hey,

621
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,240
good for you. We're all proud of you. Good job.

622
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:52,960
That's right, and you're willing to admit it too. You're

623
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,720
not gonna like one of these candy asses. You're not

624
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,960
going to cover it up and try to come off

625
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,519
as Actually I've I struggled with certain substances is a problem. No,

626
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,519
I was a fucking tweaker for a little bit. You know,

627
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,680
I gotta clean. I'm fine, we're good. Let's get the

628
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,240
fuck to work. Put this. No polish it. Yeah, you

629
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:13,880
have fucking turd. That's live like that. That's that's not freedom.

630
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,279
You're gonna you live like that. You're all that shame

631
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,559
and you're trying to you know, polish it and what

632
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,119
the ship You're gonna gonna make things a lot more

633
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,359
unpleasant for yourself. It's not gonna gona have trouble getting

634
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,119
comfortable anyway. Yeah, so I just I don't know. I

635
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,319
thought about I gotta write more about this. But this

636
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,279
is like a whole A little bit of this kind

637
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,160
of stuff is what I talk about in concrete botany,

638
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,799
but like the landscape architectured landscape design. I guess it's

639
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,559
someone wrote me because I put this on a social

640
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,519
media too and the stories, and someone wrote me and

641
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,240
they were like, hey, man, I'm a landscape designer. You

642
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,480
know you're mainly talking about landscape architects. I was like, well, no,

643
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,000
I'm talking about landscape designers. But I don't know the difference.

644
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,680
So maybe you are. You would know more about this

645
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:52,759
than me I've meant, I mean, and again, it's it's

646
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,000
not all of them, it's some, it's some. You know,

647
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,359
I'd say it's eighty percent. And that's just because of

648
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,119
the nature of American horticulture now, there is a large

649
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,000
tie to affluence. You know, who's got time to reconnect

650
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,319
with the land. Not some single mom who's got two

651
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,319
kids and is you know, working as a fucking librarian

652
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,359
or something. You know, it's uh, it's uh, you know,

653
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,519
the rich housewife whose husband's an orthodontists and lives in

654
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,559
Lake Forest, Illinois. Beautiful Lake Forest. I do love some

655
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,400
of the yards up there. M Yes, a lot of

656
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,440
our client a lot of our clientele actually comes from

657
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,079
Lake Forest Highland Park. You know. So there's a tie

658
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,960
in between the ship, there's a tie in between you know,

659
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:35,359
rich fucks and having this stuff done. The goal is

660
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,000
to make it not like that anymore. You know, we

661
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,160
want to see a lot more bungalows with prairie gardens

662
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,400
in the front yards. But anyway, but yeah, so somebody

663
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,599
wrote me and they were like, you're generalizing. Another person

664
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,519
wrote me, like, you're generalizing a whole group of people.

665
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,960
I said, yeah, I'm generalizing. It's a generalization, so take

666
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,759
it with a grain of salt. Eighty percent the yard cunts,

667
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:53,519
not all you. You know, there's twenty percent that are

668
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,920
pretty cool. You probably sound like you're probably one of

669
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,839
the twenty percent. You sell like you're probably you know,

670
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,200
one out of the every five. So don't worry about it.

671
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,240
You know, it's a generalization. There's exceptions to it. I'm

672
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,640
taking it with a grain of salt. You should do

673
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,599
don't worry about it. Don't don't get your panties in

674
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,440
a bunch unless you know you're out there putting stuff

675
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,839
and in uniform lines with even spacing and grouping things

676
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,480
by color and all this other corny shit. Right now,

677
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:18,319
if a client actually asks you to do that, I

678
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,920
suppose you're forced to. But anyway, and that's the other

679
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,160
thing too, is like a lot of these man some

680
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,680
of these like designers they like pretending, or landscape architects,

681
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,839
they like pretending they're fucking the next Mark Rothko, you know,

682
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,599
they're the next like this, this brilliant artist who's underappreciated.

683
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,240
I'm sure that really affects their ego too, when they're

684
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,640
not getting enough attention and so they start over complicating

685
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,680
these overthinking things like this, only this doesn't this play

686
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,799
doesn't go that well next to that? Shit? The fuck up?

687
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,000
You see it in nature like that? Do it? Don't

688
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,640
worry about it? What do you think? It doesn't look nice?

689
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,079
You're not you're not Mark the Stewart here pale, you're

690
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,519
not like, you're not a fucking interior designer. And I'm

691
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:02,839
not saying that. Doesn't you know that's a whole field.

692
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,000
I'm not knocking the field of interior does that, but

693
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:08,000
you're not. You know, I wouldn't spend I wouldn't give

694
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:10,720
someone twenty grand to go redesign my fucking bathroom and

695
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,599
pick the best color colors. What is it called a swatch?

696
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:15,279
Is that what you call it? What do you call

697
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,039
it when you put the colors together? A swatch? Right? Like,

698
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,160
these guys overthink that and then they try to take

699
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,920
that whole mentality. It's just no, man, Just stick it

700
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,839
in the ground, don't worry about it. If it looks

701
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160
like shit, you'll figure it out six months down the line.

702
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:30,680
Those are the people I want to read. I want

703
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,279
to make it easy for people who aren't trying to

704
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:33,880
spend a shit ton of money. It just wanted. The

705
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400
goal is to get your ass out there, get you

706
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,799
working with the land, get you tearing up the lawn

707
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:44,079
and uh and just and paying attention and thinking about stuff.

708
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,079
You know, it's not that hard. It's not I don't

709
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,480
know why this person came into comments section had to

710
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,759
make it seem way harder than it was and try

711
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:56,079
to discourage just some random schmuck who maybe or maybe

712
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:59,759
doesn't live in Berwin, Illinois, right on the edge of Chicago,

713
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:04,799
right next to Cicero. Try to discourage him from uh

714
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,519
or her from you know, just killing their lawn and

715
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,079
sticking prayer plants on the ground. You know, Oh, it's

716
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:13,880
it's high made. This guy made it something. It was

717
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,079
so high maintenance. And there he's just a turd too.

718
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:17,760
I don't know. I don't know. And maybe yeah, it's

719
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,760
you know, maybe it's the I'm just kind of automatically

720
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,199
I turn off and stop listening when someone has glamour

721
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,519
shots and their profile pick. But anyway, it's like when

722
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:28,960
it seems like they're paying someone to take their foot.

723
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,840
You know, I wonder what these people would think of

724
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,159
my yard, you know, they come to my yard it's

725
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,559
all overging. It's just thorn scrub. I'm straight. I just

726
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,719
used the hedgecutters. The ship that looks like an alligator car.

727
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,320
Alligator car, you know, the thing that's it's just like

728
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,119
uh like the pruners maybe people using for topi area

729
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,199
or some shiit. Well, now these are these are longer

730
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,199
than that. I just use that. And I just cut

731
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,920
a tunnel in the vegetation around my house. I keep

732
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,079
shit pruned up. I prune it up as it grows,

733
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,880
you know, as the shrubs and trees get taller. I

734
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,039
prune the ship down below. Now I can put a

735
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:03,480
little cool cac di. I got a little cool cacti garden,

736
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,440
had a cool little cactus garden. Uh. Now you know

737
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,280
I'm in like the second or third stage ecological secession.

738
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,559
My yard. What would these guys, these candy asses with

739
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:17,480
the glamours as, what would they say if they saw

740
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,280
my yard? They're gonna come in, They're gonna actually this

741
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,880
does this too messy? This this horrible plate. You've planted

742
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,320
it way too dens the fuck out of here? What

743
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,840
are you gonna Why don't you come inside? Start telling

744
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,320
me how my feng shui is off, buddy, go into

745
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,800
my bed. Well, you don't like the designs on the walls,

746
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,119
you don't like the posters? I hung up? Now you

747
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:39,280
got you got something. It's all subjective shit. It doesn't

748
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,280
matter right. When I'm like if I'm planting stuff, all

749
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,679
I think about is where is the sun? And how

750
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,199
big is what I'm planting gonna get? And is it

751
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,519
does it like? Oh, does it like wetter stuff or

752
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,760
can it take dryer stuff or what? Because I got

753
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,360
like a little wet section of my yard. It's where

754
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,960
I keep the bananas and a monosume of cyprus and stuff.

755
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,199
You know, I just did this this whole attitude, dude,

756
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,159
it's it's it's like your nose is so buried up

757
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:06,400
your own ass. Just fucking settle down. Not everybody wants

758
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,360
to do that. You can go, you know, design your

759
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,800
fancy gardens and you're you know, put them, you know,

760
00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:14,360
make sure they look nice enough to take a photo

761
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,519
and put an expensive coffee table book about native landscaping.

762
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,559
That's good for you. Not everybody wants that, right, A

763
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,199
lot of people living in a bungalows don't want that. Now,

764
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,559
for anybody unfamiliar with what a bungaloo Is. It's you know,

765
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:32,039
it's an early twentieth century working class style of architecture,

766
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,239
you know, to be found and the outer neighborhoods of

767
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,639
Chicago as well as interring suburbs like beautiful Berwin in Cicero.

768
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,239
So anyway I go to this just drives me nuts

769
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:47,760
the more I think about it. I went to one

770
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,840
of the lawns that we killed and kill your lawn

771
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,199
yesterday was yesterday, the day before, I forget. Anyway, it

772
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,000
was in like Willowbrook or some fucking suburb. You know

773
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,880
that I'd never be cut that and otherwise. But the guy,

774
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,519
the couple that lives there is really cool and they

775
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,480
this was a massive project. They had this massive yard

776
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:10,800
in front of our house, killed the lawn, put in

777
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,519
all natives. I went there yesterday. It was fucking blowing up.

778
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:16,480
It looked amazing, Like the plants were so heavy. The

779
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:22,239
Helianthus molus, which is a like almost it's a glaucous

780
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,360
blue sunflower with just covered in scabbard hairs. Normally you

781
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,719
see if you seem like oaksavana like three feet tall.

782
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,599
These the stems were like six feet tall, like the

783
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:36,920
same plant had twelve stems coming out of the ground

784
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,119
from the same root. It was just bursting over. It

785
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:42,679
was so laden with flowers that was falling over. Everything

786
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,280
was covered in cool insects. It was fucking marvelous, Like

787
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,199
a diversity of insects too, like cool bucks, you know.

788
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,679
And and that was another thing that yard. We had

789
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:56,760
to work the landscaper and it was a cunt too.

790
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,400
He was a total just condescending. That's the one that

791
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,079
said that the that's the guy that said the gentleman

792
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:05,199
that said, I assume he's probably not he's not listening

793
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,320
to this podcast. He fuckings one. He looks down on

794
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,639
people like me. But uh, you know, he's the one

795
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:15,199
that said, well, the plants that julian Ella bring over

796
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,679
our substandard plants. They were they were they were rejects

797
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,639
from Pizzo nursery. They're not as high quality as the

798
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,760
the material that we're bringing. Like, the fuck up, what

799
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,920
are you talking about? They're they're the same ship Pizzo

800
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:33,079
gave us good stuff. Guy, Why why do you talk

801
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,400
like that? Also, I mean, and my impression of him

802
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,280
is not too far off, it really is. You know,

803
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,320
this is like one of the great he sees he's

804
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,119
like the botanical equivalent of the great Poupon guy. All

805
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:48,639
these guys are that he's fucking candy ass Chauncey rich kid.

806
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:50,719
This is a this is like because it is it's

807
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,119
an affluent thing that the landscaping architect is for the affluent.

808
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:58,400
That's like an affluent, goofy fucking thing. That's like someone

809
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,920
who pays, uh, you know, to have an interior designer

810
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,159
come over and redesign their living room. Like really, really,

811
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,960
we're in different worlds, pal, you stay out of mind.

812
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,199
I'll stay out of years gladly. But yeah, Anyway, the

813
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,719
Kyl Yard, to see it two years after this yard

814
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,880
in Willowbrook was nuts because it was fucking massive. Everything

815
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,519
was huge. You know, the Iliama Ramota, that rarer Kankakee

816
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,960
mallow that it's only on the verge of extinction because

817
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,360
of overpopulation a deer and fire suppression. And I remember

818
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,840
growing up as a kid, I remember learning somehow, maybe

819
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,800
it was at wolf Rope, Praier or somewhere, but learning

820
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,960
that prairies needed to burn, that it was the thing

821
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,719
that they needed that they did. I think maybe my

822
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,480
mom told me. She probably just drove by it. At

823
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,599
some point and she saw smoke coming. She thought they

824
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:51,000
were doing a controlled burn. But I think a lot

825
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,119
of people, especially in eastern North America, don't realize how

826
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:58,800
important fire is when you've got that much rainfall, it's

827
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,079
in that much of a bloom of biomass in such

828
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,280
a short time. I mean here like in Chicago, Like

829
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,440
it finally warms up in May, and by late October

830
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,079
everything's dying back. And in that short five month period

831
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,159
you've got this massive eruption of all this biomass, and

832
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:17,239
it can all these Remember these these are herbacious perennials,

833
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,840
so the top's diet of roots stay alive. Those roots

834
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,760
have a massive amount of energy stored and them carbohydrates

835
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,920
and moisture, so once it warms up, they're ready to go.

836
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,199
It's not the same as a seed germinating. It's more

837
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,719
like this volcano of plant tissue just bursting out of

838
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,480
the roots. And then of course it's you know, it

839
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,360
starts photosynthesizing. It can produce more, but it's also relying

840
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,400
on stored reserves, so it's it's so quick. I mean,

841
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,000
shit grows so quicker. All these prairie plants grow so

842
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:50,719
quick silphium terabinthinaceum gets a twelve thirteen foot tall flower

843
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,119
so quickly. You know, it's got those massive you know,

844
00:40:55,199 --> 00:41:00,000
in some cases four foot long leaves, giant solar panels

845
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,360
it's relying on to cook up more carbohydrates, half of

846
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,239
which its stores in the ground, half of which it

847
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,480
might apportion to producing that twelve foot tall inflorescence. So

848
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,960
it grows so fast. So anyway, the point I'm getting

849
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,280
to is the guy that lives here, I was telling them,

850
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,760
I'm like, you're gonna have to burn next spring burn

851
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,880
or mastic cake because this is just so dense. You know,

852
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,679
you can't. It's that's right, a prairie. It's super dense.

853
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,960
But then it remember it's got the dormant season. It

854
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,639
all dies back to the ground and stuff starts decomposing,

855
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,679
et cetera, and so you're gonna have to burn. That

856
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,920
was why burning was so important. That's why when I

857
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,280
was driving through Alabama with Josh the hippie, and we

858
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,039
were going to go see Kyle Liiberger. You know, the

859
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,840
drive there, I was looking at these forests that were

860
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,679
just they hadn't been burned in forever, and they were

861
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,199
just so dense and inundated with plants, and it looked

862
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,559
anything but inviting. It's like the last place you'd want

863
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,599
to go walk through. It's just it's so fucking dense

864
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:01,840
you couldn't walk through it, right, So, I mean, the

865
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,679
fire issue is super important, and that's you know, and

866
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,920
it was such a part of the landscape here for

867
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,079
so long. But prior to human arrival thirty thousand years ago,

868
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:14,599
it was lightning and it would be easy for stuff

869
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:17,840
to catch because it's everything's growing so dense that it's

870
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,760
some After a however many years, you reach a critical

871
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,320
point where if it doesn't rain for a month, now

872
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,760
you've got a tinder box, a lightning strike could easily

873
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:31,079
you know, catch it and then everything burns. But you know,

874
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,960
the forests in the eastern half of North America are

875
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:35,960
much different, or the fires in the eastern half of

876
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,519
North America and the forest are much different from the

877
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:42,039
fires in western North America. I mean, fire suppression reaches

878
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,440
a critical point out west where if you don't you

879
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,320
haven't burned in two or three decades. Now you've got

880
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,760
a massive tinder box. And it's there's like you can't

881
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,239
just do a low burning fire anymore because it's the

882
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,000
air is so dry in the summer, and the winds

883
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,440
can be so intense. The Santa Ana winds, you know,

884
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,320
all that cold air coming down from the higher elevations

885
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,360
of Nevada towards the coast, towards the Pacific Ocean, and

886
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,119
that's the sant Ana winds. If you've never been in

887
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:13,840
them in late summer early fall, you know, it's hard

888
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,119
for you to understand just how intense they can get.

889
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:21,239
It's fucking crazy. Like really really, I've been in windstorms

890
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,440
where it's you know, clear as day, but the winds

891
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,280
are just so fucking brutal out there. When I lived

892
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,119
out there was you know, I just remember thinking, oh

893
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:36,719
my god, this is this. If anything went up, you know,

894
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,000
it's like taking a bellows, you know, one of those

895
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,960
those fluffers for a fireplace, taking that to you know,

896
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,679
a campfire, or the coals in a campfire. You could

897
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,320
see them as they just flare up, you know. So

898
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,360
that's what that's why it's so much more intense. So,

899
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,239
you know, like when we were doing controlled burns in

900
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880
northern California to friend's property, we would have to cut

901
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,920
everything up and make burn piles and then wait to

902
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,280
burn them in the winter, like when there was snow

903
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,599
on the ground, you know, when it would otherwise be

904
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,840
somewhat hard to get them going. And so when you're

905
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,440
doing fires in the prairie, you know, I think, and

906
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,440
I think this is what Jerry Wilhelm was telling me,

907
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,880
because he lives in glenn Ellen or glen View what

908
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,679
are the glens all these suburbs named Glenn in the

909
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,760
Chicaigo area. But he was telling me, you know, you

910
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,079
wait for a day when it's kind of almost hard

911
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,760
to burn, so you know, it's it's gonna be harder

912
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,159
for it to get out of control. But like a

913
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,920
day in November when it's moist and it's chilly and

914
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,880
there's not a lot of wind, but you know, you

915
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,679
burn all that stuff off, and also you kill all

916
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,519
the ticks, and you kill all the chiggers, and you

917
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,039
remove the duff that their nymphs need to stay moist

918
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:49,679
and over winter and stay insulated from the freeze. You

919
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,280
burn all that shit off and start anew and you know,

920
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,360
and then it's you know, and again you're not harming

921
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,480
the roots, at least in the prairie, because those roots

922
00:44:56,519 --> 00:45:00,800
are massive, and they're just giant energy stores. And and

923
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,840
then you get another massive flush in the spring and

924
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,840
late spring when everything comes out. So I was telling

925
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,599
the guy that lives there, who's a friend of mine,

926
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,559
my friend day, I was telling him, you're gonna have

927
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,800
to burn next year, or at least or masticate. But

928
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,079
I really suggest burning, you know, because there's no ticks

929
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:21,360
there now. I'm sure there would be if you get

930
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,719
deer hanging out, you know, and you get a decade

931
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,920
or two of not burning, there surely would be ticks.

932
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,320
Why not, you know, But you're gonna have to burn

933
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,519
the burnings and it's so important too. It's just you know,

934
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:37,320
and it's not really this massive, you know, most of

935
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,760
the carbon. The roots are so extensive. Like if you

936
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,199
could take three D glasses all right, I'm gonna just

937
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,480
stay with me here and look at the ground. You know,

938
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:48,960
what would it look like. You would see this dense

939
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,920
ass network of roots underground. You would see this dense

940
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,719
network of this web of roots going twenty or thirty

941
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,280
feet underground. And that's the other thing is the soil

942
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,280
here is deep. It's not like the prairies in Texas

943
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,239
where the soil is only a few inches or the

944
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,119
like the Limestone prairies. The Blackland Prairie is a little different.

945
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:11,639
It's deeper soil. But the Limestone prairies, which are in

946
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,519
the west, like on the other side of the hundredth

947
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:16,719
meridian or right on it. You know, once you've hit

948
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,280
that area on the continent, when it starts drying out,

949
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,159
and you can see this on a satellite map, of course,

950
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,039
it's green, the green eastern half of North America. In

951
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,639
the beige western half. You know, once that soil is

952
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:33,400
so deep, you know, those roots go super deep as well.

953
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:37,039
I mean the fucking sylphium. There's that famous diagram. I

954
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,079
use it in the presentation of all the prairie plants

955
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:44,159
and how deep their roots go. My friend Andrew, No,

956
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,800
my friend Brian's nursery in Oklahoma City. He's got a

957
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,559
big ass it's Native Plants Nursery in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City.

958
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,199
He's got a big as I think it's little bluestem

959
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,440
or big blue stone. But it's got a basically a

960
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,360
cross section diagram photos someone took showing how deep the

961
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,880
roots on big blue stem go. And they're they're deep

962
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,760
as hell. It's like fifteen feet like twenty. It's like,

963
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,599
you know, all that materials is going underground, and that's

964
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,559
that's you know when people say, I don't get on

965
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,039
the whole, like you know, carbon train too much, because

966
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,480
I just think climate change pales in comparison to the

967
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:23,360
amount of habitat destruction and bulldozing and habitat loss. I mean,

968
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,119
they kind of go hand in hand. But you know,

969
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,840
people say grasslands store more carbon dioxide than forest. This

970
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,880
is why, this is what they're talking about, because all

971
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,039
that all that all the carbon you see in forests

972
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:37,840
will eventually decompose because it's above ground. But the shit

973
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,280
that's underground and grasslands those extensive fibrous root systems that

974
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,440
stays buried, and that's why that soil is so rich,

975
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,559
and it's also why it's so insane. Like when they

976
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:52,000
build like these tracks, these bleak tracked house subdivisions around here,

977
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,280
they scrape all the soil away down to the clay

978
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,559
and then throw fucking sod over it, and it's horrible soil.

979
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,079
They scrap all the soil away with bulldozers so they

980
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:04,880
can grate it and then you know, put these bleak

981
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,639
cul de sac homes in and then it's just clay

982
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,000
on top of bedrock. But but yeah, anyway, so it'll

983
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,039
be cool if hopefully I can convince him to burn

984
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:19,480
next year, and that would be a cool video to

985
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:25,159
do burning the suburbs, you know, something I've dreamed about,

986
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:30,320
something just kidding, but you know, doing doing controlled burns

987
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,679
in prairie yards in the suburbs. That'd be fucking wonderful

988
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,239
to see. And just think of all the dying ticks

989
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,159
that you know, if everybody did this, I think I

990
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:42,360
wish they would burn the forest preserves here because the

991
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,840
forest preserves are all inundated with buckthorne, which yeah, curiously enough,

992
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,079
Ramnus cathartica is a rare plant in Europe where it's

993
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,840
native or not. Maybe it's not rare, and someone told

994
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,920
me it was rare. I don't think it's like, I

995
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,920
don't think it's like an endangered species. Just don't think

996
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,519
it's that common. But here it's just invaded and taken

997
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,960
over all the forest preserves, you know, smothering out the

998
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,480
spring ephemerals, those plants that occupy that six week window

999
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:10,519
in the spring when the trees have not leafed out yet,

1000
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,039
but the temperatures have warmed up, and so they're able

1001
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,400
to get light on the forest floor. Well, if buckthorns

1002
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,519
inundated the forest, they can't get light anymore. And it

1003
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,800
really is it's a fucking horrible plant. I mean, I'm

1004
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,480
sure it's cool where it's native, but I just remember

1005
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,320
growing up. You know, it's got those thorns on it.

1006
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,239
It's ramnasy. So a lot of plants in Ramnasy, a

1007
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,280
lot of shrubs, have those those branches that taper into

1008
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:36,039
sharp spines, and then the berries just are spread by birds.

1009
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,239
And it's just kind of like a generally boring plant.

1010
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,199
At least when it's an entire fucking, you know, infestation

1011
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,079
of it in the understory of a hardwood forest in

1012
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:49,280
midwestern North America. It needs it needs to burn. Oh yeah,

1013
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,039
and it's got nitrogen fixing bacteria in the lead in

1014
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,920
the roots too. It's got that actinomyceyt bacteria, just like

1015
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,079
a lot of other members of Ramnaesy do, the buckthorn family.

1016
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,920
So we got to do a controlled burn in the suburbs.

1017
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,519
And it's a it's a man, it's a big it's

1018
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,679
like a two hundred foot long yard front yard. It

1019
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,119
was it's unincorporated Willowbrook. It's like a two hundred foot

1020
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,679
long front yard by like one hundred feet wide, maybe

1021
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,519
three hundred feet long by one hundred feet wide. It's

1022
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,360
a big ass. He's got a long ass driveway. It's

1023
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,440
like an old, older house. You know. It's not like

1024
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:28,599
some like super rich house. It's like an old style

1025
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,599
you know. Yeah, I think it was. I think it

1026
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:35,400
was just before the neighbor the area had any infrastructure

1027
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,440
or local government. So but it looks fucking great now. Man,

1028
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,880
it's so diverse. Goddamn, there's so much. I was I

1029
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,679
was picking a bunch of iliamnous seeds Illiam the remote

1030
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,679
seeds to put in the bag, which I then took

1031
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,400
to this nursery that I shot a video at yesterday,

1032
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,960
Possibility Place, which is it's a weird name for a nursery.

1033
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,199
It does remind me of a halfway house. You know.

1034
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,000
It reminds me of like a rehab center. You know.

1035
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,679
You know, your little cousin who got addicted the pills,

1036
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,559
he's when he when they let him out, he's you know,

1037
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,239
he's staying at Possibility Place right now. He just he

1038
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,280
had a problem. But we addressed it. We had an intervention.

1039
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,880
He's now he's at Possibility Place. He's in good They're

1040
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,159
gonna send them to trade school. He's learning essential you know,

1041
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:21,400
job skills. We're gonna get him back out there, get

1042
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,400
him back on his feet. But anyway, so, but but

1043
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,760
it's a that's a fucking dope nursery too, because they

1044
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,639
don't just have the prairie stuff. They got a bunch

1045
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:35,000
of the the uh native Illinois woodies, woodies, shrubs and

1046
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,440
small trees and shit. They got like ten different species

1047
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,639
of oak, and they they uh some some of the

1048
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,159
native magnolias too. I think virginny a and a is

1049
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,360
the main frost to horned one. You know, the glaciers

1050
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,079
were here for I don't know what thirty thousand years.

1051
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:53,360
They really did some damage. So a lot of plants

1052
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,239
got got wiped out once the glaciers came and then

1053
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,480
weren't able to re established themselves, you know, So like

1054
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:05,119
southern Illinois ends up being the terminus of bald cypress

1055
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,920
and some of the other magnolia's Magnolia species. But I'm

1056
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,599
sure you know, five hundred thousand years ago or a

1057
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:13,880
million years ago before the glaciers came. Now, all that

1058
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,239
shit was growing up where the Great Lakes are now.

1059
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,239
But you know that mile and a half of ice

1060
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,599
really bulldozed a lot of stuff away and it just

1061
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,719
hasn't been able to come back yet. But yeah, anyway,

1062
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,400
Possibility Place is cool because they've got they grow everything

1063
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,199
in those root maker containers. I don't know if you're

1064
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:33,320
familiar with those. There are these. It looks like an

1065
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,440
upside down pyramid shape, but like if a pyramid had

1066
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,239
a flat top, you know, so it can stand up. Obviously,

1067
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,519
that's what the pot looks like. And then it's got

1068
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,079
these holes in it, you know, on every step of

1069
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:49,920
the of the pyramid, and the holes aren't work by

1070
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,599
you have the water more because the pot dries out faster.

1071
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,480
But as the roots grow, they hit those they hit

1072
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:02,239
those holes, and then the root tip dies. It's like

1073
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,199
pruning the root. You know, the root tip dies and

1074
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:10,039
then it starts, uh, it branches, uh you know a

1075
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:14,760
centimeter behind where where the air pruning is. And then

1076
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,239
so you get so you get a deeper, a more

1077
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,039
branched root system, a more branched and healthier root system

1078
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,880
with more absorptive capacity instead of just you know, you

1079
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,119
grow supin in a one gallon pot, it sends the

1080
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:28,559
root down, it hits the bottom of the pot, and

1081
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,480
then it starts coiling around. That's the root. The root

1082
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,199
maker is the complete opposite of that, and so they

1083
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,559
grow everything in these root maker pots, which it leads

1084
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:38,760
to a really fucking healthy plant. I remember we got

1085
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,840
some of their stock when we were planting stuff for

1086
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,960
Kill your Lawn, and God, I just love planting shit

1087
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:47,760
and I wanted to get some stuff yesterday. I don't

1088
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,199
even have anywhere to put it because I don't live

1089
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:52,400
in Chicago, but I wanted to like find the friend's

1090
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,000
yard or someplace to just stick shit in the ground.

1091
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,719
It really, it really does, you know, fulfill a creative verge.

1092
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,239
You know, it's like catching tags when I used to

1093
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,400
do graffiti when I was like a little sixteen year

1094
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,480
old vandal. You know, once you want to go stick

1095
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,880
shitting in the ground somewhere, you know, and then threaten

1096
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,280
anybody who tries the mow or remove it anyway. So

1097
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,840
so uh but yeah, so I did a It was

1098
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,840
cool to do a video there. I want to just

1099
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,679
get them more coverage. I want to I want people

1100
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:23,440
to know they exist because their way the fuck down

1101
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,519
in Mony. It's like this this, you know, outer this

1102
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:28,800
where they got the pumpkin farms. They got some nice

1103
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,800
pumpkin farms out there, you know, it's where the suburbs stop. Like,

1104
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,159
you're so far out that these even like the bleakest

1105
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,880
of the bleak cul de sac urban sprawl suburbs, haven't

1106
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,119
reached that far yet. Maybe they will in thirty years

1107
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:44,400
if America is still doing the dumb shit it is now,

1108
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,800
which it probably will be if it's not gone altogether,

1109
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,639
who knows. But uh, but you're so far out there,

1110
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,559
you know, that's where the it's where you start encountering

1111
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:54,719
the They got nice pumpkin farms, you know, for the kids,

1112
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,320
they got pumpkin farms. Mere they got a speedway out there.

1113
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:02,159
So any but yes, it's I want more people to

1114
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:04,000
go down there because they got a lot of good shit.

1115
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,239
And yeah, and if more people are planting the ship

1116
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,440
that they're selling, then the less bleak shit I have

1117
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:12,519
to see. You know. I want to I just want

1118
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,400
to normalize this stuff. I want to. I'm not going

1119
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,360
to be able to change the way America designs all.

1120
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:24,199
It's horrible horrifically ugly strip malls and suburban sprawl areas.

1121
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,360
But at least maybe I can get them to stop

1122
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,320
planting all the horticultural atrocities and the horticultural bullshit, the

1123
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,440
stuff that's just planted because it's pretty. It's pretty. It

1124
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:38,400
might have evolved eight thousand miles away, but it's pretty,

1125
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,679
and it's all the same cultiv vartic cultivar shit. You

1126
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,320
get the consistency in the variegated leaves and the nice colors,

1127
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,519
and you know, and then we plant everything in a

1128
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,360
uniform line. I hate. I fucking hate that. I hate

1129
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,840
American horticulture right too. I think it's sick. I think

1130
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,000
it's fucking twisted. I think it's weird. I think it

1131
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:57,599
looks like minecraft landscaping. So if I get can get

1132
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,519
people to plant actual species, different phenotypes of the same

1133
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:04,480
species instead of the stupid cultivar shit, and have them

1134
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:07,079
be native species, stuff that I know is automatically going

1135
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:10,719
to bring in all the cool insects and other cool

1136
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,239
birds and all the life forms I like seeing when

1137
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,679
I go out into beautiful places, so I don't feel

1138
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:18,599
like puking when I have to go spend time in

1139
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:20,920
a bleak shopping center, like I gotta go to the

1140
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,599
bank to cash a check or I need to get

1141
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:25,679
a fucking you know, new stretch of hose or some

1142
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,440
shit whatever. You know, then that makes the world better

1143
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,840
for me. So it's selfish. I want people to get

1144
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,119
out there and know that these places exist and nowhere

1145
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:37,440
to source plants, and they grow a lot of nice stuff.

1146
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:39,800
Right So you got like Pizzo for all the good

1147
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,360
prairie stuff in northern Illinois. And then you got Possibility Place,

1148
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,079
which is not a rehab center, even though it sounds

1149
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:50,199
like one in Moni in the I mean the trees

1150
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,960
they sell like these they've got like quirkus Muelenbergie. Guy,

1151
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:56,239
they got nine fucking different species of oaks, seven different

1152
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,960
species of milk weeds, three different species of native lobelia.

1153
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:05,280
Is all this dope shit? They were growing Comptonia parrogrena

1154
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,920
for a while. You know, they grows a lot of

1155
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,000
stuff that likes sand too, which is not much of

1156
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,440
the Midwest is not sand unless you're like closer to

1157
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,440
the lake or on some of the sand prairies. You

1158
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,840
know where the glacial dam broke and dumped all the

1159
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,760
sand ten fifteen thousand years ago. But you know, if

1160
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,760
you are on the sand, you're gonna have trouble growing

1161
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,800
some of the stuff that likes deeper soils. And if

1162
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,079
you're on you know, if you're not on sand, whatever,

1163
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:32,480
you know, So there's there's there's there's variability there. But

1164
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:35,000
if you got the sand, then you live in a Midwest,

1165
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,519
there's a ton of cool shit you can grow. So

1166
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:40,079
and they've got they sell a bunch of it, like Hudsonia,

1167
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:42,719
which I think is Cis Dacey. I don't think we

1168
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,239
have many North American members of Cis Stacy, the Cistus,

1169
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,239
the rock Rose family. I think it's mostly European. But

1170
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,639
but yeah, man, so that's you know, the fucking oaks

1171
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:56,400
ahead too. They're like you can get like a like

1172
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,679
an eight foot tall quircous muelenbergiy for one hundred and

1173
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:03,280
thirty bucks and then they's got like you know, ninety

1174
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,800
bucks for like a ten gallon, which is actually pretty big.

1175
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,000
That oak grows fast too, and it's really healthy fucking soil.

1176
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:13,519
I saw the soil they use for their soil. They

1177
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:17,880
use what was it. It's it's like pine bark fines

1178
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,440
like forest products from some of the pine plantations down

1179
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:25,000
south they ship up by barge and then use for

1180
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:28,760
whatever up here, mostly for the nursery industry, I assume.

1181
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,000
And then they use something called hydro fiber, which is

1182
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,599
it's like a spun not spun, it's like a steamed

1183
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:41,320
and then chopped up wood fiber. And that's all they use.

1184
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,519
They don't even use prolite. I mean that stuff alone

1185
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:46,760
is good enough and it's got adequate drainage, probably because

1186
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,679
it's you know, compared to it's not super fine soil,

1187
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,880
you know, so it's got good drainage and it's still

1188
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:56,039
and then like for their seedling mix they use prolite.

1189
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:58,079
But yeah, I saw their whole operation. Man, it was

1190
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:00,239
really cool. It was it was I'd love to do that.

1191
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,159
I love seeing how people are growing shit and what

1192
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,719
different people have figured out and how they've cracked the codes.

1193
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,119
Oh yeah, they had a bunch of uh. They had

1194
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:10,639
native holly, they had iles, they had like three different

1195
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:14,159
species of Saint John's wart hypericoms like the shrubby ones,

1196
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,880
and they had land, and they had tulip trees, they

1197
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,280
had a man They had a bunch of good like.

1198
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,760
So if you're not into the if you don't want

1199
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,800
to do prairie stuff, you want more like woodland. Shit.

1200
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,480
They've got all that, They've got all that stuff. It's

1201
00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:30,599
and it's it's fucking nice. You could do like a

1202
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,599
You could do like it, depending on how much land

1203
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:34,559
you got or how much access you got, if you've

1204
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:39,480
you know, convinced your municipality to do a public native

1205
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,119
yard like in a in a park or something you

1206
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:45,760
could plant like an oak savannah mixture. I couldn't believe

1207
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:48,400
men they had like maybe they had more than seven

1208
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,360
species of milkweed, maybe it was eight or nine, I

1209
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,000
don't know. They had a bunch of different milkweed species,

1210
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,239
and it was just, yeah, it was fucking cool to

1211
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,559
see just just hyper diverse, you know. Oh yeah, they

1212
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,039
had oaks they had Aside from the oaks, they had

1213
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:04,760
a bunch of hickories too. They had like three different

1214
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,760
hickory species and American per simmons a bunch of good shit.

1215
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,760
What's going on? I'm back. I took a break for

1216
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,559
a day. We went out the Chicago River last night

1217
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:21,960
with Urban Rivers. Sneak from Urban Rivers, Phil Nicodemus from

1218
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:25,719
Urban Rivers. They took us out on a little pontoon boat,

1219
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,400
me and my kid, and we went down to Bubbly

1220
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,039
Creek so called because that's where the slaughterhouses used to

1221
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:36,000
dump all the corpses of all the livestock, you know,

1222
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:38,920
during their animal holocaust they were having down there, and

1223
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,559
they dump them in a river and all that, you know,

1224
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:44,119
rotting organic materia. That's a pleasant thought, isn't it. All

1225
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:48,119
those that rotting flesh would then cause bubbly oily sheens

1226
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:50,960
on the Chicago River. That's a terrible thought, is it.

1227
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,280
Sorry I just did that too, But but we were

1228
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,920
down there and they did these floating habitat islands. The

1229
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,920
rivers a lot cleaner now, and it's there's still bar

1230
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,760
and shit down at that and like that's a more

1231
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,679
industrial that's the more industrial side of Chicago River down

1232
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:07,480
to the south side, you know, because urban rivers is

1233
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,360
mostly in the north. That's where they got I mean,

1234
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,679
there's a frickin Arii next to where the Wild Mile is,

1235
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:17,760
so you can tell the client Hill that inhabits that region.

1236
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,840
It's it's very cleaned up there. It's very safe anyway.

1237
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:23,400
So that's on the north range. From on the south side,

1238
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,079
it's still kind of you know, it's still kind of uh,

1239
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,800
this fucking dog is chasing his tail. It's just like this,

1240
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,719
he just discovered this. He wasn't doing this the whole

1241
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:38,800
five months I've had him. He's a puppy's still like

1242
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,679
nine months now. Me and Hovey have joint custody. But anyway,

1243
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:46,280
so yeah, so we went down there and they still

1244
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,039
got barges down there. It's fucking gnarly. It feels like

1245
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,000
the North Side did maybe twenty years ago, thirty years ago,

1246
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,119
which I like, you know, it's like the Chicago pre

1247
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:59,159
gentrification era. And we were down on Bubbly Creek and

1248
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,599
we saw like the habitat floating match they've got down there,

1249
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:08,000
which is fucking awesome, very impressive. They've got like a

1250
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:12,519
Morpha fruticosa growing on a floating mat in like fifteen

1251
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:18,000
deep water with Mimulus ringins, the purple monkey flower and

1252
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:21,480
that verbena the verbena got hit by mildew. There's Joe

1253
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:23,960
Pieweed growing on these floating habitat mats. I didn't know

1254
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,960
Joe Pieweed could take it so wet because the water's

1255
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:31,559
just I mean, it's totally inundated there there was Lobilia cephialitica,

1256
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:34,840
like all these plants that are not aquatic plants but

1257
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,440
can obviously take having their roots basically submerged, not submerged.

1258
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,800
It's like a like a floating you know, it's a

1259
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,280
floating mat of biomatch that they planted these plugs in.

1260
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,159
But everything looks great, and tons of Hibiscus lavis and

1261
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:54,480
Hibiscus mashudos. So anyway, but we're down there and my

1262
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:57,159
little girl goes, she goes, look at the coyotes. She's

1263
01:02:57,199 --> 01:02:59,920
looking at the bank, like up against this giant power

1264
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:04,000
line and you know, the river bank, and I'm like,

1265
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:05,679
I don't see anything, and she points right at him,

1266
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:07,880
and I look, and there's would turn out to be

1267
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,039
five coyotes, like five healthy, robust coyotes, not like the

1268
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:17,119
mangy coyotes that I see in Texas where ranchers intentionally

1269
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:20,679
introduced sarcoptic mangees a means of coyote control. Isn't it

1270
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:24,440
fucking sick? But there were five of them. They were like,

1271
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:29,000
they looked like fucking healthy, you know dogs that like

1272
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,679
some yuppie and a condo might have, like you know,

1273
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,320
they're very well taken care of dogs, and I suppose

1274
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,719
they're just eating I think there's like a grainary down there.

1275
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,480
Maybe they're eating that. They're probably eating a lot of

1276
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:41,599
rats and feral cats. And there's a lot of a

1277
01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:44,679
lot of bunnies in Chicago too, so they're probably eating

1278
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,320
a lot of rabbits. But it was fucking crazy to see.

1279
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,239
It was really cool. You know. That was like a

1280
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,599
pack of five coyotes and the minute they saw us,

1281
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:54,719
they split, They dipped out and ran into the bushes

1282
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,960
into all the sumac. The roost copo line them and

1283
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,039
uh roost labra. That's starting to change color and look

1284
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:07,280
very beautiful now. But but yet the fucking river was

1285
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,079
And then we went down in the loop and you're like,

1286
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,480
it's like going through a canyon of buildings like on

1287
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:13,639
the fucking where the river goes through. If you've never

1288
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:16,559
seen the Chicago River in the loop, it's it's a

1289
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:20,039
very nice it is. It's like the Spider Man landscape,

1290
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,760
you know, just canyons of buildings that like Manhattan ask

1291
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,559
it's really fucking cool. There's no river bank, it's just

1292
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:30,400
the building. It just goes straight, you know, Venice style,

1293
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:34,960
straight drop into the into the river. So that was yeah, man,

1294
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,119
it was cool. But anyway, I wanted to criticize some

1295
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:41,639
of the species you used for the garden, changing tone

1296
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:44,440
a little bit here. We're not criticizing the specie selection.

1297
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:50,159
It's more just the design. You're missing critical design elements. It's,

1298
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,920
for instance, you put you put plants that have a

1299
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:58,039
very graceful, luxuriant leaf texture and foliage next to plants

1300
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:01,920
that have a very rigid and tiff leaf texture and foliage.

1301
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,119
I mean, it's a typical rookie mistake. I remember what

1302
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:08,119
it was like for me twenty years ago when I

1303
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:12,440
was first getting started. So you know, you've definitely got

1304
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,800
a good motivation, and I really it's inspiring that you

1305
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,360
know how much passion you have, but you're just you're

1306
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,519
just not tuned in to how to actually design a

1307
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,519
garden yet. But I've got a number of books out

1308
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:28,760
if you'd like to take a look at them, perhaps

1309
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,079
I can, perhaps you can get something out of them.

1310
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,199
I'll even autograph a copy for you. You know, this

1311
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:40,000
therapeutic for me, really, ah god, you know, I went

1312
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:44,559
to design school. I went to design school, and that's

1313
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:48,280
why I really must one of my great mentors. I'll

1314
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:53,480
refer to the honorable Jeff Benning, who was a great,

1315
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,039
a great landscape architect, famous landscape architect of over forty

1316
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,719
or fifty years. He recently passed and left me a

1317
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:03,159
good portion of his estate because we were such close friends.

1318
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:07,239
Uh anyway, so uh but yeah, it doesn't the river

1319
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,440
doesn't even think anymore. That was I want? That makes

1320
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,239
me want to get on a fucking kayak or something,

1321
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,880
because you know, the boats to get like an actual

1322
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,760
motor boat. How could you do that on the sheet?

1323
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,239
I don't want to pay for you know, I just

1324
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,239
I don't want to pay for a fucking I don't

1325
01:06:21,239 --> 01:06:24,199
want to pay the fees for a doc. How could

1326
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:29,119
you do like gorilla boating on the river? You know,

1327
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:32,679
start at the north branch. You can even just find

1328
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:34,519
somewhere to park on. I said, we only saw like

1329
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:38,199
two or three drunken fishermen, you know, like you're going

1330
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,760
past like one of those cutty areas. It's all overgrown.

1331
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:43,119
The guy had to climb through a chain link hole

1332
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:44,840
in a chain link fence to get to the river,

1333
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,719
and he's found his little piece of paradise where nobody

1334
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:51,559
can bother him. He's totally illegally trespassing, but he can

1335
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:54,480
fish on the river without being hassled by any fucking

1336
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:57,960
carns or cops or anybody complaining or someone trying to

1337
01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:00,760
charge him. You know, we only saw two or three

1338
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,920
of those guys, and they were surprised to see us.

1339
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,239
But the other cool thing is that there's this area

1340
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,480
near like the little little village, Pilsen area, where there's

1341
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:14,280
three slips, like basically just a dead end inlet that

1342
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,440
goes back half a mile and it's where barges used

1343
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,800
to go to dump stuff because there's yards on either side.

1344
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,760
You know, think of it as like a same thing

1345
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,639
like a box car would do with a loading dock

1346
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:26,760
on like an industrial track. You know, it just goes

1347
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,480
back that end to a loading dock. And so this

1348
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:32,920
area was cool. We found We found this dude, I

1349
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,079
guess some fucking crazy old bastard. Supposed he's got a

1350
01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:39,800
YouTube about it. He had built. He was trying to

1351
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,840
put a houseboat together and it failed. I don't know,

1352
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,679
someone was the city. I don't know this story. Phil

1353
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:49,039
told me the story, but the city was fucking with him.

1354
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:51,639
And like back here, it is cutty and peaceful, there's

1355
01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:56,039
blue herons, there's turtles. Like. No one goes back here

1356
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:59,440
because these slips are bordered on either side by either

1357
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:05,199
abandoned or neglected industrial properties, so there's no public access,

1358
01:08:05,559 --> 01:08:09,280
you know, except for like, you know, indigen kids like

1359
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,239
graffiti writers something that might get back there, or like

1360
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:16,359
the homeless or something. But this guy had built the houseboat,

1361
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,319
which kind of looked like my friend Pauli's houseboat on

1362
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:24,079
Newtown Creek. He had built this houseboat and I guess

1363
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:25,880
he floated the background. I think the water is only

1364
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,600
like six or eight feet deep their it's not very deep,

1365
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,920
and the you know, the bottom of the fucking riverbeds

1366
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:38,520
probably laden with PCBs and other toxic carcinogens. But he

1367
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,760
had built this houseboat and the whole thing had collapsed

1368
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:44,640
like sunk, and so it was half submerged. And then

1369
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,039
it had weeds growing out of like look nooks in

1370
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:50,880
the decaying wood of the exterior panels of the houseboat.

1371
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,960
It was creepy, but it was cool at the same time.

1372
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,640
And then some other fucking nutjob ha like I don't know,

1373
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,680
I guess he's his cousins has like owns the industrial

1374
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,079
proper nearby. So he built this impromptu dock and he

1375
01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:08,399
had all these decrepit boats on them, like just some

1376
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,960
wing nut project, you know, And like he took some

1377
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,600
you could see where he took some construction He like

1378
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,960
stole a chainling fence from a construction site, you know,

1379
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,479
the ones that just get they go into like a

1380
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,720
cinder block that's sitting on the ground, Like the bottom

1381
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,680
of the fence goes into a cinder block and they

1382
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,000
so they can move it. And he had put that

1383
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,560
in the river to kind of like I don't know

1384
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,319
what this is like some tweaker shit. This is like

1385
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:34,479
some drug addict shit, because this is like the way

1386
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,199
a drug addict would think, Like you're gonna put a

1387
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:39,239
fence in the river so that even though it's public,

1388
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:44,239
it's like a public waterway on this little industrial slip

1389
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:47,319
to make people you know, you know, like someone would

1390
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:48,800
do it like a homeless guy would do it, like

1391
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,439
a bummy camp. He was setting up in a park

1392
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,279
or another freeway or something. You know, you want your

1393
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,319
own little piece of real estate. You want to keep

1394
01:09:56,359 --> 01:09:57,960
people out of it so they don't steal your shit.

1395
01:09:58,039 --> 01:09:59,399
Or I don't know, I don't know what the thinking was,

1396
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:04,600
but either way, it made a very creepy and cool scenery,

1397
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,079
you know. And then Urban Rivers that they got a

1398
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:11,159
wildlife a trap cam they set up on this little

1399
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,920
doc that they they got on one of these slips,

1400
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,920
and that whole thing freezes over in winter, and that's

1401
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,199
where they were seeing the coyote activity, like coyotes walking

1402
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:24,039
on the ice once this thing freezes over, and that's

1403
01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:26,640
where we saw the coyotes. Fucking fix still can bee

1404
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,199
with five fucking coyotes. Man, Oh, it was so cool

1405
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,159
to see. And they were so fucking heavy. They were

1406
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:32,880
like kind of playing with each other and shit too

1407
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,199
really cute. I couldn't believe how healthy they looked though,

1408
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,119
Like they almost look kind of fat, you know, like overweight,

1409
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:41,000
Like you take your dog to the vet and they're like,

1410
01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:43,720
you gotta switch to a different food or you know,

1411
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,359
take them out more. They're not this dog's not getting

1412
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,760
enough exercise. We've all had that moment, you know. Jack

1413
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,000
had that moment five years ago. I took him to

1414
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,520
the vet and the vet said he's a little overweight.

1415
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,720
And I said, I beg your pardon, sir, I beg

1416
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,079
your pardon how dare you fat shave my dog? I

1417
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:06,199
suppose you're gonna assume his gender. Next piece of shit hetroonormative,

1418
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:10,039
it's gender piece of shit anyway. Uh So yeah, the

1419
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:13,239
fucking river man, goh god, it was so nice. Shout

1420
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:15,319
out the urban rivers. If you're in Chicago, you really

1421
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,119
got to check out there. You could just Google maps

1422
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,880
look up Wild Mile and it'll come up, and it's

1423
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,680
so impressive what they're doing. Man, it's so nice. That's

1424
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,520
just the fucking the hibiscus really takes over. So I

1425
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,039
was going and collecting hibiscus seeds and throwing them, scattering

1426
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:34,439
them as we went through the loop too. And you know,

1427
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,399
downtown Chicago has all these old uh it's got like

1428
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:43,800
old old pylons, you know, like assemblages of what look

1429
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,479
like telephone poles. They'll take thirty of those, they'll wrap

1430
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,399
them and change so it makes a bundle, and they'll

1431
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,520
put them. They'll hammer them into the the river bed

1432
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,840
with a pile driver, and they'll put those around the

1433
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,279
bridges so that if like you know, drunken barge operator,

1434
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:02,000
drunken boater back in the day, would ever wouldn't hit,

1435
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:07,439
wouldn't run into the bridge and totally take apart the bridge.

1436
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,560
What are you waiting? Give me this? Hold on? You

1437
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,439
know what? You can't play with this this. I don't

1438
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,960
know what this is, but I imagine it makes a

1439
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,520
mess when you tear it apart. Fucking dog. I gotta

1440
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,560
take him out. You can't walk these dogs. You can't

1441
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,520
walk cattle dogs. You gotta take him out of bike.

1442
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,279
I have to take him out on a bike ride.

1443
01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:26,039
He's gotta do five miles a day or else. He

1444
01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:29,600
he just starts, He starts going nuts, He gets anxiety,

1445
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,800
he starts tearing shit up, starts peeing in the house.

1446
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,520
You know, he still does the squirt pee thing, like

1447
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,479
the submissive squirt pee, like when he thinks he's in trouble.

1448
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,840
He gets on his back and then it's like, you know,

1449
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,600
it's like you gotta approach him like he's a bomb, right,

1450
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:46,720
like gentle enough if even if you're too gentle, if

1451
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,439
you know what, it's best to just step away from him.

1452
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,439
Once he does the submissive bullshit and he gets on

1453
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,199
his back with his paws up, that's what he's about

1454
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:54,920
to pee. If you touch him, he's gonna pee. He'll

1455
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,880
squirt piss all over the floor normally, because normally when

1456
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,439
I do that, I'm picking him up because he just

1457
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,920
did something. I'm gonna throw him outside. So now when

1458
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,720
he does is I have to just walk away, ignore him,

1459
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,239
or else he's got a squirt piss out of anxiety.

1460
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,680
He does it much less than he used to. But

1461
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,840
I don't know what his history was, you know, something

1462
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:20,760
something that involved high amounts of anxiety. And you know,

1463
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,479
I probably I probably give him a little bit of anxiety.

1464
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,920
He could just punch my little high he can sense

1465
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:31,479
my high strung demeanor. But anyway, So the other cool thing, though,

1466
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:36,840
that I saw was impatience capensus aka jewelweed, which is

1467
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,840
supposed to be a natural antidote to poison ivy. Impatience

1468
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,560
capensus one of the only New World impatience. By the way,

1469
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,239
I saw a really cool one in Costa Rica, similar

1470
01:13:47,359 --> 01:13:53,560
herbaceous habit I think they're all herbatious, but uh, but

1471
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,399
you know, most of the diversity in the genus, and

1472
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,399
patience is an Asian. Then we get a couple a

1473
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,800
couple uh. New World species. Capensus is one of the

1474
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:08,399
most common little orange flowers. It's a pioneer species which

1475
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,960
makes sense because you know, the fruits when they dry out,

1476
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,079
they snap and they shoot seeds everywhere but the little capsules.

1477
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:20,000
But that was all over the fucking the rotting pylons,

1478
01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:24,439
you know, on that are on either side of you know,

1479
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,119
either bridge and downtown and the loop downtown. So you're

1480
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:32,239
going downtown and there's like these habitat impromptu habitat islands

1481
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,319
the size of like a dinner table, covered in impatience,

1482
01:14:37,399 --> 01:14:39,840
just floating in the water. Oh, it's so cool to see.

1483
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,000
But again, man, I bet you could just like, why

1484
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:46,600
doesn't someone just take Why didn't someone just take like

1485
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,880
floating habitat match, there's got to be a cheap way

1486
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,720
to build one out of pallets or something and find

1487
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,439
a way to like, you know, use construction adhesive or

1488
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,680
something and glue them to the fucking walls of the

1489
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,479
river where they're out of the way a boat traffic

1490
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,520
and put you know, old sticks and leaf matter just

1491
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,760
create you know, old floating barges of habitat. You know,

1492
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,800
stuff that's not going to decay too quickly. You don't

1493
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,119
want just like leaves, because that'll decay too quickly. But

1494
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:19,079
like sticks and uh, I don't know what would be

1495
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:21,760
a good material, something that's obviously not toxic and is

1496
01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:24,840
somewhat just providing a substrate for plants to grow in,

1497
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,319
you know, just using old pallets or something. I don't know, man,

1498
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:30,399
there's got to be a way to I bet you.

1499
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,319
I bet someone out there could figure it out and

1500
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,159
just start creating these floating habitat mass You could put

1501
01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:39,560
in the corners up against the bridges, go down there,

1502
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,000
you know, a little canoe or a kayak and just

1503
01:15:43,079 --> 01:15:44,960
get to work to go in there late at night.

1504
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:50,520
Gorilla habitat planning in downtown Chicago on the river on

1505
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,439
the loop. You know, maybe they get taken out, maybe not,

1506
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,520
who knows. If you already had the plugs, like the

1507
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,600
plants in them and stuff, that'd be fine. You could

1508
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:02,800
stage them further north up river, you know, stage I

1509
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,079
get stuff growing on them, and then tow them down

1510
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,560
and set them up in the loop. That'd be fucking cool.

1511
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,560
You know, this is this is something, This is someone

1512
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,239
who's off it. This would be like a side hustle.

1513
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:17,039
You know, you got a other source of income, maybe crime,

1514
01:16:17,119 --> 01:16:19,279
maybe not crime, but you're doing this in your free time.

1515
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:22,119
You know, it's sure beachs. You know, I'll get addicted

1516
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:24,680
the pills are playing video games. I don't know. You know,

1517
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,840
everybody needs a hobby, creating habitat and uh you know,

1518
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,640
the one of the second largest cities in the United States,

1519
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,880
it's a good one. Yeah. Man, the river was fucking great.

1520
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,960
There's there's really there's some really cool and just all

1521
01:16:37,039 --> 01:16:40,039
that old infrastructure, old railroad bridges that aren't used anymore,

1522
01:16:40,199 --> 01:16:43,479
old docks, old piers, you know, piers that have been

1523
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,600
severed from the land so now they're essentially just islands,

1524
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,319
and they're all covered in golden rod, like solidago. There's

1525
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:51,600
a couple of those in the South Loop, like right

1526
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:56,239
near the train station. Uh no, it's fucking cool, but

1527
01:16:56,279 --> 01:16:58,520
it's about to get really cold here another month. You know,

1528
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:03,560
climate change is shortening the winter. But yeah, it was nice.

1529
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,359
It was so fucking nice. Man, it was so nice

1530
01:17:05,359 --> 01:17:07,439
the river. I will I've been severed from the river

1531
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:08,960
my whole life because you have to have a boat

1532
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,680
to get on it, or you gotta have some way

1533
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,159
to access you know. Really, all you gotta do is

1534
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,800
save up money, get a kayak, get a canoe, find

1535
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,720
a spot you can dump it. You need a truck to,

1536
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,279
you know, to get it down there. But yeah, I

1537
01:17:26,319 --> 01:17:28,199
don't know, I don't know. It was it was great

1538
01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:30,439
to see that's where the life thrives, you know. Well,

1539
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:35,000
we went to some nasty, nasty, nasty seafood joint called

1540
01:17:35,079 --> 01:17:39,560
Lawrence's that's right on the river and uh, it's right

1541
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,920
near one of these elevated these train bridges that go

1542
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:47,159
up and down and it uh just like, you know,

1543
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,199
it's one of those places like, oh, yeah, that looks good.

1544
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:52,000
They got calamari for six bucks and you order it

1545
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:55,640
and it's just fucking oil. It's just like oil and

1546
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,520
nasty bread. Oh. It was so fucking heinous. I I

1547
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,439
wondered why Phil and Nick didn't order that much, you know,

1548
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,680
because I was hungry. I hadn't really eaten. And I

1549
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,800
get there and I'm like, oh, look they got this.

1550
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,800
It's cheap and blah blah. And it wasn't even that

1551
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,600
cheap at the end of the day. And then I

1552
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,039
sit down and I'm like, oh, this is fucking gnarly.

1553
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:20,319
This is like, oh just everything deep Friday got like

1554
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:23,159
okrah and columari. He was kind of nasty. Anyway, Live

1555
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:26,960
and learn anyway, you got like a month left maybe

1556
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:29,600
to enjoy the prairie if you're in the region, in

1557
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,199
the prairie region, Uh, to enjoy the prairie at sunset

1558
01:18:33,239 --> 01:18:37,439
and how psychedelic you can feel. Huck, he's got the

1559
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,279
squeaky toy now? Really? Yeah, I just took this dog

1560
01:18:40,399 --> 01:18:42,560
out again. You got a bike with him. I took

1561
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,319
him to a park near my mom's house, and uh,

1562
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:49,479
I had to you know, fucking I try. I only

1563
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,760
go there when there's nowhere, no one there, like ten

1564
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,399
am on a weekday. But I took him there and

1565
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,680
it was a you know, a older Caucasian lady, and

1566
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,520
which is not always inherently in itself a pro there's

1567
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,479
a bunch of wonderful older Caucasian women who come out

1568
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,520
to the shows, you know, the crime pace fans. It

1569
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:12,119
seems like could be all all all demographics, all ages, young, old,

1570
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:18,880
you know, different melanin content, different cultural backgrounds, different levels

1571
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,199
of aggressiveness and their approach to life. So this is

1572
01:19:21,359 --> 01:19:25,399
certainly not I'm not pigeonholing here, but listen, the squeaky thing.

1573
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,760
Could you could we stop that? Give me this just

1574
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,239
for just give me a couple of minutes. Okay, anyway,

1575
01:19:30,319 --> 01:19:33,000
So I took him out, and God, he asks, like

1576
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,279
I'm an asshole. I get it right back. Yeah, I

1577
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:37,119
took him out. And you know, they're walking, they're doing

1578
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:39,880
their laps around a park. And this is not this

1579
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,119
doesn't look like an aggressive dog. Like I understand if

1580
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:43,960
you've got like a pitbull or fucking Doberman and they're

1581
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,000
running loose, you know, you'd be Jesus. I wouldn't do

1582
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:48,680
that to anybody. I would take him to like, you know,

1583
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,279
the train yard or so the abandoned train yard to

1584
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:53,479
walk a dog like that. But I took them. I

1585
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,960
let him off at the park. The dog weighs like

1586
01:19:56,079 --> 01:19:59,079
thirty pounds. He's like a medium sized dog. He looks

1587
01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:02,399
like this big dumb I'm sweet. Uh, like you know,

1588
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,800
blue hue or border Collie mix. And uh and and this,

1589
01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:09,000
you know, we're just running laughing in the park. He's

1590
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,119
staying right by me. He just needs to be able

1591
01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:15,199
to run. And uh and this this I see the thing.

1592
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:17,920
You see this with the with the genteels. Sometimes the wealthy,

1593
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,520
you know, the the especially wealthy older woman, you know

1594
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,560
wash she sees it from one hundred yards away. She

1595
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,880
tends is up and fuck here we go, you know,

1596
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,840
and she could see me like I'm she knows, she

1597
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,880
could see my facial expression and just the fucking exhaustion

1598
01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:34,000
of having to deal with this ship and I'm just

1599
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:36,640
trying to like take my dog out to the park.

1600
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,760
There's fucking no one here. You're the only one here.

1601
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:41,439
It's a it's ten ten in the morning. Like he's

1602
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:45,199
not gonna He's very clearly staying by me. He looks harmless, like,

1603
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:47,479
you know, I understand being afraid, but at some point,

1604
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,640
like you're fucking you not having the life experience to

1605
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,439
notice is a harmless situation anyway to each there, Oh

1606
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,119
that's fine, but we walk, We go by her once

1607
01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:59,079
he obviously shows no interest, leaves her alone. He's staying

1608
01:20:59,079 --> 01:21:02,840
by me. We go buy another time, and she she

1609
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:05,920
could you know, I'm going to call the police. This

1610
01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:09,680
is this isn't that your dog is offish and instantly

1611
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,479
and I'm like, what is he fucking what is he is?

1612
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 2: He just?

1613
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,199
Speaker 1: Is he asking you for money? Is he coming up

1614
01:21:14,199 --> 01:21:16,760
to you trying to convert you and handing your fucking pamphlets? Lady?

1615
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,439
What is the issue? Like he's We're minding our own

1616
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,960
fucking business. There's very clearly no issue, you know. And

1617
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:25,920
of course she's this is like in a wealthier area.

1618
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:28,960
The suburb my mom lives in was working class. It

1619
01:21:29,079 --> 01:21:31,000
used to be working class bungalows. Once all the old

1620
01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:34,119
people lived there died, these fucking people from DuPage County

1621
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,079
started moving, and you know, they buy up a house

1622
01:21:37,119 --> 01:21:39,159
with two bungalows on a knock them boat down, put

1623
01:21:39,239 --> 01:21:41,520
up this giant fucking monstrosity. It looks like the home

1624
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,960
alone house, you know, just some massive three car garage

1625
01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:47,520
TACKI bullshit, built out of toothpicks. That'll be you know,

1626
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,960
half the lumber will have dry rotten thirty years. You

1627
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:53,159
know it. You know what I'm talking about. Anyway, And

1628
01:21:53,279 --> 01:21:56,640
so she just keeps going day he's at least signing, lady,

1629
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,680
there's no Finally I just stop and I just start going, hey,

1630
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,640
just in that you know that obnoxious, well to do,

1631
01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:11,600
wealthy Midwest accent. Hey hey hey, yeah, yeah. I think

1632
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,520
I don't know if she caught on that I was mocking.

1633
01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:18,319
I was rudely mocking her, but it drove her away.

1634
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,439
She stopped and then we just left, you know, because

1635
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,359
by that point we'd already done two or three laughs,

1636
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:25,079
and I, you know, put the leash back on him

1637
01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:27,720
and then we left. So it fucking drives me. It

1638
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,119
drives me nuts, man, I can't. I just having to

1639
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:32,880
interact with it. And it's not just about dogs or

1640
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,359
taking your dog to the park, it's anything. It's having

1641
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:38,800
to interact with those people at anything. You know. I

1642
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,920
don't hate them, I just don't want to be around him.

1643
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:43,000
I don't want to have to look at them, right,

1644
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:47,479
I'm just I'm so much more comfortable around maybe a

1645
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,319
lesser income level. I don't know. I don't know to

1646
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:54,640
pigeonhole the stereotype to generalize, right, there's still generalizations. You

1647
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,479
take them with a grain of salt. But I just it's,

1648
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,039
you know, my experience. You go to this fucking wealthy areas.

1649
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,840
I can't. I can't handle it. I can't interact. I

1650
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,880
can't take the fuck anyway. Keller Long Tours starting. Uh Now,

1651
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,279
I guess we're going up to Milwaukee tonight. I don't

1652
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:11,039
know we're playing it. We're doing some nature museum that

1653
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:16,079
they'll probably never let me back once they once they

1654
01:23:16,119 --> 01:23:19,359
hear my presentation. Uh and then we're doing Yeah, we'll

1655
01:23:19,399 --> 01:23:22,319
be in Saint Paul's Sunday night, and then we'll be

1656
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:28,000
Monday night is Lincoln Tuesday's. Omaha. We almost did the

1657
01:23:28,039 --> 01:23:31,399
Omaha State Arboretum or the Nebraska State Arboretum, which I'm

1658
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:34,000
sure is a great institution, but we were trying to

1659
01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:36,359
plant it out and after like the fifty third email,

1660
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:37,720
I looked at it and just said, you know what,

1661
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,560
fuck this, this is just too much. This is too

1662
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,880
much burocer. We're just and then we just found a bar.

1663
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,000
I canceled it and within or maybe they canceled me.

1664
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:48,079
I think they canceled me because when we were selling merch,

1665
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:49,720
they were like, well, you get ahead of Teddly of

1666
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,600
a Poermitt, and you know, we don't. We're not comfortable

1667
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,840
because the other event you're heading is in the same place.

1668
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,680
We're not comfortable having two events competing with another. They

1669
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,359
both sold out both like almost that capacity whatever. So

1670
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,640
we just said, you know what, fuck this and uh,

1671
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,159
and so we got we found someone else. Within like

1672
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:09,159
forty minutes, we found a bar to play at. And

1673
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:12,439
that's so this should be a good turnout. Wonderful Omaha,

1674
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,560
wonderful Omaha, home of the Union Pacific Center. I could

1675
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,399
see my former employer go say hi. Uh. And then

1676
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,600
after so we're doing Lincoln Omaha. And then we got

1677
01:24:26,319 --> 01:24:28,479
what is it Kansas City? I think we're doing Kansas

1678
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,199
Kansas City? Is it Kansas City? Is this somewhere? I

1679
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:34,079
think it's just Kansas City, Missouri. And then Rock Island,

1680
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:37,079
the Rock Island Show. There's not I don't thinkin there's

1681
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:38,880
only gonna be like twenty people there, twenty or thirty.

1682
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,920
It's gonna be low attendance. You know, the Quad Cities.

1683
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:43,800
I don't know what's going on there. I don't know

1684
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,880
what they got going on there. And then I'll be

1685
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:51,920
Oklahoma City on the first, and then uh Dallas Fort

1686
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,039
Worth area on the second. The show. The show times

1687
01:24:55,079 --> 01:25:00,319
and venues are available on the Crime Pays website, and uh,

1688
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:05,479
you know, it's a nice presentation. We recorded a live

1689
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,239
a live podcast of one of them at the hideout

1690
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:12,479
and I'll be publishing that on the podcast and two

1691
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,600
weeks after the tour's over. So while he's on the couch,

1692
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,279
he's territius. I don't know, he's got like a little

1693
01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:22,880
squeaky uh, some sort of squeaky toy anyway, Okay, well

1694
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,600
thanks for listening, and thanks someone, and you know, we

1695
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,920
really do admire your passion. It's it's it's really great.

1696
01:25:29,319 --> 01:25:32,199
We're really happy that you're so enthusiastic about this. But

1697
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,960
you've got a long way to go in learning. Yeah,

1698
01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:37,439
and you know, I just I mean it really Yeah.

1699
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,840
I think you're underestimating the amount of time and consideration

1700
01:25:42,119 --> 01:25:45,159
of certain elements like leave. Thanks. Okay, that's all I got.

1701
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:47,600
Fucking hell, there's even been personally that shit makes me

1702
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,119
want to die. That's all I got. Heavy today to

1703
01:25:49,119 --> 01:25:49,800
go focks it by.

1704
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:13,079
Speaker 2: Hold mame the Mystery, my holy Child. Yeah, you know,

1705
01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:18,520
I love me, I love for you.

1706
01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:20,520
Speaker 1: I never have