Speaker 1: It's nice eyes with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm going mazy Boston's News radio.
Speaker 3: And is football season, folks? Twenty to sixteen? Now Baltimore
Speaker 3: had scored twenty to sixteen entering the fourth quarter as
Speaker 3: the Chiefs lead Baltimore in the season opener. And oh,
Speaker 3: remember when the Patriots used to have that big Thursday
Speaker 3: night game down at Ulllett Stadium in Foxborough and everybody
Speaker 3: would be there. I even remember when Donald Trump would
Speaker 3: be on the sideline. Yes, I did interview Donald Trump
Speaker 3: one time on the sideline. He was hanging out with
Speaker 3: the Crafts. He had millennia with him. And this is
Speaker 3: when he was just a reality TV star. This wasn't
Speaker 3: when he was running for president. That's when the Patriots
Speaker 3: were massive. And to say their rebuilding is an understatement.
Speaker 3: Joining us right now is Nicole Gang Boston Globe. Nicole,
Speaker 3: thanks for coming on Night's side.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 3: So how's everything going atji Lette, how's everything in Foxborough?
Speaker 3: What's going on? How is the optimism? Uh? First of all,
Speaker 3: I got to talk about Look, we all know the rebuilding, right,
Speaker 3: so we'll we'll get to all that stuff. But I
Speaker 3: love my guy Mayo. I mean, I worked with Gerard
Speaker 3: a couple of years at Comcast Sportsnet now NBC Sports Boston.
Speaker 3: He's a great dude. What are your impressions of him
Speaker 3: as the coach so far? And I know they haven't
Speaker 3: played a game yet, but you know basically what you've done,
Speaker 3: how you've dealt with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say optimism within the building is very
Speaker 4: high about Gerard, both from like an internal perspective with
Speaker 4: the players and from dealing with the media perspective. Girod
Speaker 4: has made it a point to be sort of more
Speaker 4: friendly with the media. He's trying to be more transparent.
Speaker 3: Then who who would that be? Who are we talking about?
Speaker 3: Nicole who?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: You know the who's now a media star? I mean,
Speaker 3: that is just so hilarious. It's just it happens all
Speaker 3: the time. They hate us, they hate us, and then
Speaker 3: they want to be us. Uh, Gid's the best. Here's
Speaker 3: the thing. You know, it's interesting because you know, I've
Speaker 3: heard my guys. You know, is he you know, does
Speaker 3: he have anything to do with the offense? Is he
Speaker 3: a defensive coach? You know, how's that shaken out? I mean,
Speaker 3: is he truly the head coach? Or is he the
Speaker 3: head coach, but he's letting the offense do what they
Speaker 3: want without any input. I don't know if you have
Speaker 3: any insight on that.
Speaker 4: So they've been stressing a collaborative approach since Gerard has
Speaker 4: hired alongside Elliott Wolfe Alex and Alex van Pelt, so
Speaker 4: I think he's involved. But that being said, has said
Speaker 4: too that he's been relying on the experts in their field.
Speaker 4: So I think he's referring to Alex van Pelt and
Speaker 4: Elliott Wolf and about as final say over roster decisions,
Speaker 4: who has final say over the quarterback decision, and they
Speaker 4: still seem to be stressing this collaborative effort now at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I think Elliott has the
Speaker 4: final say over the roster. Girod has the final say
Speaker 4: over who's playing on the actual field, and then he's
Speaker 4: taking input from Alex Vanpel, Elliott and even Robert Kraft.
Speaker 3: And that's the way it should be. That's the way
Speaker 3: it should be. That's absolutely it's Elliott Wolf's team. You know,
Speaker 3: he's the GM and his dad, Ron Wolf, was very
Speaker 3: successful with the Green Bay Packers. I've heard good things
Speaker 3: about Elliott Wolf. I think it's too damn hard. Excuse me.
Speaker 3: You know, Bill Parcells to pick the groceries and also
Speaker 3: cook the dinner. I just think it's too freaking hard.
Speaker 4: And I think, to the man we were just talking about, like,
Speaker 4: that's one of the reasons why they wanted to move
Speaker 4: on from Bill Belijack, because that's just sort of become
Speaker 4: antiquated model to have the coach handling also personnel responsibilities.
Speaker 4: Now do those things work in tandem, of course, But
Speaker 4: I think that they like the fact that there's not
Speaker 4: these unilateral decisions being made across the board and that
Speaker 4: it is sort of people being specialized in their departments,
Speaker 4: but there's still a lot of collaboration across the board.
Speaker 3: Do you how's Alex van Pelt then? Have you had
Speaker 3: a chance to talk to him much?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think everyone's just waiting to see
Speaker 4: what the offense actually looks like. Like there are people
Speaker 4: that think it's not going to be as bad as
Speaker 4: we think, and then there of course are definitely people
Speaker 4: that are justified in thinking that it's going to be
Speaker 4: a disaster, especially based off of the performance in the
Speaker 4: preseason finale. But Alex Vmpell understands the opportunity he has.
Speaker 4: He hasn't really had this stage before in terms of
Speaker 4: play calling, so I think he wants to prove himself
Speaker 4: he understands for what's that stake here. And I think
Speaker 4: that's why they brought in so many people that are
Speaker 4: familiar with his system in Cleveland, because they're really trusting
Speaker 4: him and leaning into that system.
Speaker 3: I think the poor guy's screwed. And i'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: Billy O'Brien's a hell of a coach. Okay, Billy O'Brien
Speaker 3: came back here and he was just he didn't have
Speaker 3: a shot because after Bill, you know, Bill missed everything
Speaker 3: put when he put a special teams coach in his
Speaker 3: defensive coach in charge of the offense, and it just
Speaker 3: killed the quarterback. It just messed everything up and it
Speaker 3: was beyond repair. And Billy O'Brien came in and really
Speaker 3: couldn't do anything with it. I don't know what Alex
Speaker 3: Van Pelt's going to be able to do. He's got
Speaker 3: no offensive line. Jacoby Burssett on a scale of one
Speaker 3: to ten as a quarterback in the NFL, he's probably
Speaker 3: a four. I don't even know who the receivers are.
Speaker 3: I don't know how we were going to be able
Speaker 3: to listen if they win five games because of the offense.
Speaker 3: Give Alex Van Pelt a contract. That's what I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's all fair. I think the offensive
Speaker 4: line is obviously the biggest question for the team right now.
Speaker 4: I think there are going to be like a very
Speaker 4: run heavy team. I think he's stressed the importance of
Speaker 4: the running game. Ramandre Stevenson has said that he wants
Speaker 4: to be a featured back. In the past, Patriots sort
Speaker 4: of did an alternating system one drive on, one drive off,
Speaker 4: but Remandra has said that he's ready for a bigger role.
Speaker 4: I think that's going to be the case. But we'll
Speaker 4: see if like Ramandre will get the touches. But we'll
Speaker 4: see if any production will come along with that.
Speaker 3: Right, And it's not cool in the NFL to play
Speaker 3: that type of game. It's boring. People want to light
Speaker 3: it up, they want the fantasy numbers and so forth. Personally,
Speaker 3: I don't mind the running game. I think that you
Speaker 3: have to have balance to try to keep your quarterback alive,
Speaker 3: and so I think you're gonna have a running game
Speaker 3: as they rebuild. Quite quite frankly, joining us right now
Speaker 3: from the Boston Globe, Nicole Yang, Nicole, can you hang on?
Speaker 3: We got to take a break. Yeah, no problem, Okay,
Speaker 3: talking about the Patriots in the upcoming season right here
Speaker 3: on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World
Speaker 2: night Side Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 3: Radio, and welcome back to Cole Yang. Join this here
Speaker 3: from the Boston Globe as the NFL season is underwear
Speaker 3: and the Patriots open up at one o'clock this weekend
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. Are you traveling with the team? Nicole? I
Speaker 3: am yeah, Oh you get to go to Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: Yes, the Joys of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: We're on to Cincinnati. How about that? So is there
Speaker 3: anybody is there something you see in the offense? You
Speaker 3: mentioned Stevenson? Are there some names? Are there some diamonds
Speaker 3: in the rough that you're seeing that as this team rebuilds,
Speaker 3: and man they are rebuilding that down the road you
Speaker 3: might say could contribute.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think Jalen Pole for sure. Once of the team,
Speaker 4: He's proven to be just like a viable, hard working guy.
Speaker 4: I think to Mario Douglas is picking up where he
Speaker 4: that's a fast year now of Tomrio is a bit
Speaker 4: of a smaller guy names that stand out. Fence hunter
Speaker 4: Henry had a bit of an injury because he was
Speaker 4: out for the end of training camp, but I expect
Speaker 4: him to be a popular target regardless of the quarterback.
Speaker 4: There are a few names. None of them are flashy
Speaker 4: per se, but or I guess Henry's not, but Mario
Speaker 4: Douglass and Jalen Polk Firs Sir. Would be building blocks.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's any point this season we see
Speaker 3: Drake may.
Speaker 4: I do, and I think that's a really interesting dilemma
Speaker 4: for the Patriots because I think as of right now,
Speaker 4: they definitely want to take things patiently. Just don't think
Speaker 4: that Jacoby will be able to keep this team afloat
Speaker 4: for sort of the things we've been for the reasons
Speaker 4: we've been discussing so far, and that seems to be
Speaker 4: the standard based on what Elliott saying is that as
Speaker 4: long as Jakoby does his job and plays the way
Speaker 4: that they think he's able to, then he'll start the
Speaker 4: entire season. But Peter Guts well, given their deficiencies on offense,
Speaker 4: I just don't see them being in a position where
Speaker 4: the pressure doesn't count them to make a change.
Speaker 3: Do you think I worry about the quarterbacks getting killed.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's the problem, you know. I don't
Speaker 3: want their draft pick to get hurt. Now Brissette could,
Speaker 3: he's he's in the line of fire too. If Brissette
Speaker 3: went down, Heaven forbid knock on wood. I hope it
Speaker 3: doesn't happen. I hate to see players get hurt. Would
Speaker 3: they automatically go to the kid or would they bring
Speaker 3: in somebody else. I think they should bring in somebody
Speaker 3: else because I don't want this kid to get destroyed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's another interesting one that as of right now,
Speaker 4: they've said and and and can't play even there, And
Speaker 4: it seems to run contrast to what their overall dement
Speaker 4: is or even next year. So it definitely seems odd
Speaker 4: that they're comfortable right currently.
Speaker 3: Nicole. Yeah, yeah, Nicole, we're having trouble with you. You're
Speaker 3: breaking up on us here, So we're going to try
Speaker 3: to rectify the problem with your phone signal because we're
Speaker 3: only hearing like every other syllable, you know, one of
Speaker 3: those one of those deals. So Nicole Yang is our
Speaker 3: guest here from the Boston Globe talking about the upcoming
Speaker 3: Patriots season. Now, defensively for the Patriots, things should be
Speaker 3: better than they are on offense. You know, Okay Nicole
Speaker 3: is back with us. Okay, Nicole, hopefully we have a
Speaker 3: better signal now. So I mean, if you were to
Speaker 3: guessed what week would we see may I mean, do
Speaker 3: you think you would see him in the first half
Speaker 3: of the season or maybe in the final five or
Speaker 3: six games.
Speaker 4: I think it totally depends on the performance of the team.
Speaker 4: So I could see week five maybe being the earliest possibility.
Speaker 3: You think they would put him out that quick.
Speaker 4: I think it's on the table that gives him a
Speaker 4: month to sort of get familiar with preparing for a game.
Speaker 4: It's against Miami at home. I think the first four
Speaker 4: games are probably, barring injury, off the table, just given
Speaker 4: the caliber of opponent and the circumstances. So I think
Speaker 4: week five is probably the earliest. Week eight against the
Speaker 4: Jets at home could also be a possibility. That's also
Speaker 4: a team that they've played in Week three, so maybe
Speaker 4: there's a little familiarity in his preparations. Coming back from
Speaker 4: the bye is a possibility. So I mean, as of
Speaker 4: right now, without seeing their record and how things go,
Speaker 4: I think Week five, Week eight, All different points of
Speaker 4: the season are on the table, but I would like
Speaker 4: I wouldn't expect them to have his first start be
Speaker 4: in London, for example, because of just how interrupt that
Speaker 4: can be to a routine. But I haven't ruled out
Speaker 4: beginning and middle or a full red shirt ear. I
Speaker 4: just truly think everything's on the table without seeing results.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, now what do you like about him? Do
Speaker 3: you like him.
Speaker 6: Drake?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think he's flashed his arm strength, basically all the
Speaker 4: skills that made him worthy of a third overall pick.
Speaker 4: He can move, he seems comfortable in the pocket, like
Speaker 4: he said he would be ready to start, and I
Speaker 4: think he looked it. And we talk about the quarterbacks
Speaker 4: getting killed or facing pressure, and he seems to be
Speaker 4: handling it well. And you look at Joe Burrow's rookie season,
Speaker 4: he was sacked the most number of times in the league. Now,
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is probably maybe a tear up in terms
Speaker 4: of a prospects compared to Drake. But Drake is still
Speaker 4: like a high level prospect and higher than I think
Speaker 4: the quarterback that is maybe causing a lot of mac
Speaker 4: jones and that I think he'll be able to handle
Speaker 4: pressure better than.
Speaker 3: Mac and that, Yeah he's better than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what broke.
Speaker 4: Mac Jones down in terms of like his confidence and
Speaker 4: things like that, Like I don't expect Drake to have
Speaker 4: the same uh trajectory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look look at where they both played
Speaker 3: college ball. Mac Jones was at Alabama. He was Alabama,
Speaker 3: he was surrounded by first round picks. Everything was perfect,
Speaker 3: Everything happened to be in place. He's a serviceable quarterback.
Speaker 3: Mac Jones is a serviceable quarterback. If you have great
Speaker 3: players around him, they can do very good things. But
Speaker 3: he's not going to carry a team. I mean, Mac
Speaker 3: just isn't going to do that. I think that the
Speaker 3: coaching staff really threw him under the bus. This kid,
Speaker 3: Drake May. I think it's a different situation. I think
Speaker 3: there's much more upside with Drake May than when Mac
Speaker 3: Jones And yeah, you know, I'm sorry, go ahead continue.
Speaker 4: And what you're saying too is true of what they
Speaker 4: saw in Drake at North Carolina. And obviously the NFL
Speaker 4: is a different caliber of competition than North Carolina college football.
Speaker 4: But Drake wasn't playing necessarily behind a sound line or
Speaker 4: with uber talented receivers, but he still made plays happen,
Speaker 4: and so I think you have to trust in your
Speaker 4: evaluation of him. Of course, you don't want to rush
Speaker 4: his development and their plans. So far, the patient seems
Speaker 4: to be paying off because he has been making strides
Speaker 4: throughout training camp and now into the preseason. But I
Speaker 4: think you do also have to believe in the player
Speaker 4: that you did draft.
Speaker 3: Do you think he's exceeded expectations in the preseason, because
Speaker 3: I think he.
Speaker 4: Has, I don't know about maybe exceeded expectations. He was
Speaker 4: a third overall pick and they did view him very highly.
Speaker 4: I think he's flat. He definitely has come on really strong.
Speaker 4: I think maybe he benefited from the fact that he
Speaker 4: only played six snaps in the preseason in the first
Speaker 4: preseason game, and that through maybe the first two weeks
Speaker 4: of training camp it was very obvious that Jacoby was
Speaker 4: the better quarterback, so the expectations sort of were low
Speaker 4: and then he really jumped up. So but I think
Speaker 4: he's he's on par with what they were expecting out
Speaker 4: of him. They've always been high on him.
Speaker 3: So what do you think of the AFC East? You know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, did you make a prediction on the
Speaker 3: Patriots having did you have to pick in the globe?
Speaker 3: How many wins do you think they're going to have?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 4: I picked four, that's about right.
Speaker 3: I get that. Do you remember who who the victories are?
Speaker 4: We didn't help to specify, But I think Tennessee is
Speaker 4: a winnable game. I think there's always some sort of
Speaker 4: like foot like last year when they beat Buffalo. I
Speaker 4: think that's the possibility. Indianapolis so and then who knows,
Speaker 4: maybe the defense wins them a game. So I think
Speaker 4: there are four wins, though at most on paper as
Speaker 4: things stand right now.
Speaker 3: So what do you think of the AFC East? I mean,
Speaker 3: this is still Buffalo's thing. Any thoughts on the Jets Miami?
Speaker 4: Uh, it wouldn't surprise me if Buffalo takes a step back.
Speaker 4: I think the Jets, if Aaron Rodgers stays healthy, definitely
Speaker 4: have a chance. A lot of people have them going
Speaker 4: to the conference championship game, maybe even the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: So it wouldn't surprise me at the Jets. They're just
Speaker 4: loaded with talent, cake the division title.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for Jet fans. They need a little love.
Speaker 3: They do they need a little love? Come on, they
Speaker 3: need something here. They need they and I mean Rogers,
Speaker 3: he's out of his mind. He's a nut job. But
Speaker 3: if he does stay healthy, you know, they can certainly
Speaker 3: get something done. I'm surprised that Buffalo Buffalo's were rest
Speaker 3: a little bit, haven't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they lost Stefon Diggs. Of course they
Speaker 4: have Keon Coleman as a young wide receiver, but it
Speaker 4: takes time for rookie wide receivers to come on, even
Speaker 4: like I'm on, we're all Saint Brown, like the players
Speaker 4: that now are sort of household names like their rookie years,
Speaker 4: they don't really come on till, like I don't know,
Speaker 4: week ten and start putting up like big numbers. So
Speaker 4: it just wouldn't surprise me if it takes them a
Speaker 4: while to sort of find their groove in their rebuild
Speaker 4: is too strong. But like retool, is.
Speaker 3: It still Kansas City's deal here? I mean, I haven't
Speaker 3: even checked the score on what's going on. I know
Speaker 3: Baltimore scored, but is it still Kansas City's league or
Speaker 3: championship to lose?
Speaker 4: I picked the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 4: think there are a lot of fun hot up and
Speaker 4: coming teams. The Lions, the Texans. But Kansas City knows
Speaker 4: what it takes as cliches that sounds to win a
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. They know the pacing of a season, they
Speaker 4: know how to sign magnitude to wins and losses, and
Speaker 4: they know just like mentally, how long of a season
Speaker 4: it is to get to February. So I think right
Speaker 4: now there's no reason to doubt them. And I think
Speaker 4: there are teams on the rise for sure, but none
Speaker 4: is strong enough to knock off the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kansas City twenty seven to seventeen, with five minutes
Speaker 3: to go leaving Baltimore right now. They get the quarterback.
Speaker 3: That's it. They get the quarterback and mister Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: So that's that's all. Lady. Is that going to last?
Speaker 3: What do you think is that going to last? The Swifties,
Speaker 3: the swift Mania, Yeah, well, the swift mania, but the relationship.
Speaker 4: Oh with I see. I mean, who's to say. I
Speaker 4: think they seem happy she's at the game tonight. They
Speaker 4: seem to be making it work. But they're also two
Speaker 4: very high profile individuals, so who knows. Ben Affleck and
Speaker 4: Jalo broke up for the second time, so anything can happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, come on, Nicle, we all saw
Speaker 3: that one coming. I mean, that was that was a
Speaker 3: no brainer as long. Here's here's always the issue because
Speaker 3: we saw it with Brady and Gizelle. Everything's great until
Speaker 3: you stopped playing. When guys stop playing, they've got nothing
Speaker 3: to do. And the Kelsey Brothers have a great podcast.
Speaker 3: They're you know, they're very uh you know, I can
Speaker 3: see Travis. He could go into movies, he could go
Speaker 3: into the booth. But when guys stopped playing, things change.
Speaker 3: And she obviously she's a megastar, she's an international mania,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, if she's a ten, now he's
Speaker 3: a three. You know, if he stops playing, she's still
Speaker 3: a ten and he's like he's a negative one. That's
Speaker 3: where it always gets interesting. Mark my words on that.
Speaker 3: The problem is when they stop playing. But right now
Speaker 3: it looks good. I just wish sometimes I just you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes when he gets in front of a microphone, he
Speaker 3: acts like I'm moron. You know, he growls, he's yes,
Speaker 3: says something, he wraps something, he yells something. I'm like,
Speaker 3: just can't you just be normal? Just be normal? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean. That's that's that's all I want, no, no know,
Speaker 3: maybe she'll maybe she'll get him to grow up. Well, listen,
Speaker 3: we we really appreciate you coming on, Nicole. Great job,
Speaker 3: best of luck on the road this year with the
Speaker 3: team covering the patch and believe me, you are going
Speaker 3: to earn every dime the Boston Globe pays you.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me, Gary, Okay.
Speaker 3: Nicole Yang joining us from the Boston Globe here on
Speaker 3: WBC's night Side with you until twelve midnight. Right here
Speaker 3: on BZ, Gary Tangling in for Dan Ray. We'll be
Speaker 3: right back.
Speaker 2: Night side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3: Hi, Dan, I can thank you very much. Gary Tangling
Speaker 3: for Dan Ray tonight six Month, seven two five, four
Speaker 3: to ten thirty. If you want to jump on board
Speaker 3: here until twelve midnight. We'd like to thank all of
Speaker 3: our guests for coming on this evening discussing discussing the
Speaker 3: M cast with Devin MacCarthy earlier on why do we
Speaker 3: even need it? Should it be a grad requirement? I
Speaker 3: say no, I don't think so. And then so the
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Speaker 3: tenth grade, you don't graduate, so you don't have a
Speaker 3: chance to make it up your junior or senior year.
Speaker 3: If you flunk as a sophomore, you do not graduate.
Speaker 3: What that's crazy. Kids will probably just drop out of school.
Speaker 3: And according to the numbers, one percent of the students
Speaker 3: who take the m cast fail the m Cast in Massachusetts.
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Speaker 3: And that's what's been happening tonight on Night Side. Coming
Speaker 3: up tomorrow night at ten o'clock, we will be joined
Speaker 3: by a couple of attorneys, Attorney Bill kick Him and
Speaker 3: also Bob George. And what we're going to do at
Speaker 3: ten o'clock is following the Karen Reid broadcast the first
Speaker 3: hour of that on ABC. We will break that down,
Speaker 3: see if there's any new information. Will it have an
Speaker 3: impact on the upcoming trial? Here's what I wonder. So
Speaker 3: Karen Reid has an interview with ABC. She's still facing
Speaker 3: a charge of second degree murder. They couldn't make that
Speaker 3: go away. Now I'm not a legal expert, but I
Speaker 3: was surprised at that. I thought the second degree murder charge,
Speaker 3: from what I've read and what I've seen, that was
Speaker 3: a stretch. I really thought that was a stretch. Manslaughter
Speaker 3: from what I understand, it can be an accident. She
Speaker 3: didn't mean to hit him. There's still a lot of
Speaker 3: question marks with this whole thing. There really are. It's
Speaker 3: not I just it's not open and shut. There'll be
Speaker 3: some discussion about bruises that could those bruises have happened
Speaker 3: by getting hit by a car, and so forth. Was
Speaker 3: the victim wearing a coat, not wearing a coat if
Speaker 3: he's outside, wouldn't even been wearing a coat. I mean,
Speaker 3: those are all things that will be discussed, and we'll
Speaker 3: talk about it with a couple of the fraternities. As
Speaker 3: I just mentioned, you can a television show sway an outcome.
Speaker 3: Of course it can. Of course it can mean they're
Speaker 3: going to pick a jury coming up for the next
Speaker 3: trial after an everybody is going to see this. Everybody
Speaker 3: is going to see this Karen Reid thing here in Boston.
Speaker 3: There's no way anybody can get on the jury and say, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. Not a chance, not a chance.
Speaker 3: And even if they're not supposed to look at it.
Speaker 3: If you're going to be on the jury, aren't you
Speaker 3: going to be curious if somebody says, oh, you've been
Speaker 3: selected to the jury. Didn't you see her interview back?
Speaker 3: And blah blah, blah black in September. Come on, but
Speaker 3: the second degree murderer, I don't see that sticking. And
Speaker 3: I'm really surprised that they kept that, really surprised. The
Speaker 3: trial just will not go away in the Karen Reid case.
Speaker 3: So that's coming up tomorrow night at ten o'clock right
Speaker 3: here on WBZ six one seven, two thirty. The telephone
Speaker 3: number here Gary Tangling in for Danna Way Uh. And
Speaker 3: this is night Side that we talked about tonight, which,
Speaker 3: when I mean school shooting is just brutal right, I
Speaker 3: mean it even pains me to even talk about it.
Speaker 3: But the father of Colt Gray, who's going away forever
Speaker 3: for murdering four people to teach us two students in
Speaker 3: Georgia in the school shooting. This week, the father, Colin Gray,
Speaker 3: has been charged. He's been charged with four counts of
Speaker 3: involuntary manslaughter in two counts of second degree murder for
Speaker 3: allowing his son to possess a weapon. He faces ten
Speaker 3: to thirty years in prison. We've seen this before in
Speaker 3: Michigan with the parents of that school shooter went away
Speaker 3: for ten years, and they were idiots. They were morons,
Speaker 3: absolute morons. They had been brought into school. They had
Speaker 3: seen the warning signs with their kid and they just
Speaker 3: ignored it. But this is, you know, when it comes
Speaker 3: to trying to do something about these school shootings, this
Speaker 3: is where we're at, throwing the parents in jail two.
Speaker 3: It's desperate times six, one, seven, two, five, fourteen thirty
Speaker 3: the telephone them. Let's grab some calls here before we
Speaker 3: say goodbye, Mary, Lou and Lowell. You're up on WBC's
Speaker 3: Night Side.
Speaker 5: Hi Gary, Yes, how are you? I'm good? How are
Speaker 5: you good? Thanks for doing the show.
Speaker 3: Thanks, I like you, Thank you.
Speaker 5: I like what you do it. Okay, Kevin me tomorrow night.
Speaker 5: You're going to beyond? Are you having two lawyers? Is
Speaker 5: that what I understood?
Speaker 3: What we're going to do is yes. ABC is putting
Speaker 3: on an interview with Karen Reid beginning at nine o'clock.
Speaker 5: So I was told it was at ten, and you
Speaker 5: said you were doing it at ten. That's why I'm
Speaker 5: calling you.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I was It's my understanding on ABC.
Speaker 3: It's it's actually two hours. It's from nine to eleven. Okay,
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock it's too late for us. After the first hour,
Speaker 3: we're going to have our ourt Turning Friends are going
Speaker 3: to be on and we're going to from what we've
Speaker 3: seen in the first hour, we are going to break
Speaker 3: it down. Okay, so Bob, George and Bill kick Him
Speaker 3: will join us, and lack of a better term, it's
Speaker 3: sort of a postgame show of what we've seen with her. Now,
Speaker 3: if we wait till eleven o'clock, that's a little too late,
Speaker 3: but it's going to be two hours. So we're going
Speaker 3: to take a look at the first hour. Then we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about it, and of course you can
Speaker 3: listen to it on the podcast on the iHeart Radio
Speaker 3: app as well.
Speaker 5: You know, so I can't do that. I don't have
Speaker 5: that stuff. I'm from the old school.
Speaker 3: But you can figure it out, don't you.
Speaker 5: No, I can't.
Speaker 3: It's not hard.
Speaker 5: Oh don't even you don't know me. I can't. I don't.
Speaker 5: I know I can't do it. I know I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't even work my phone.
Speaker 3: Do you think I want?
Speaker 5: I'm on a landline right now.
Speaker 3: God bless you. At least you're not going to be
Speaker 3: dropping out. You're not going to be drunk.
Speaker 5: And I don't have TV either, So I am going
Speaker 5: to a friend's house to watch it tomorrow night, but
Speaker 5: I didn't want to miss what you're doing with the
Speaker 5: lawyers or the attorneys.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: What I would recommend is that you know because there
Speaker 3: is a second hour involved, and again we didn't want
Speaker 3: to wait till eleven o'clock. Is if you watch it
Speaker 3: at nine, just turn us on at ten, and kind
Speaker 3: of I will do that.
Speaker 5: I didn't. I was told the show was on at
Speaker 5: ten to eleven, not your show, the twenty twenty show, right,
Speaker 5: And I was told it was on at ten, and
Speaker 5: you said you're going to do yours at ten, So
Speaker 5: I said, I can't watch and listen to both of them.
Speaker 3: At the same Well, it's nine to eleven, I think
Speaker 3: on twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: I hope you're right. I hope you right.
Speaker 3: Well, I am right. I mean, that's that's what that's
Speaker 3: what I've read.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's okay. Well, I heard on the radio.
Speaker 5: I'm from Lowell, and I listened to a little station
Speaker 5: in the morning before I go to work, and they
Speaker 5: said the show was on at ten o'clock tomorrow night.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm telling you. I heard. So they might
Speaker 5: have screwed up the time. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate the phone call there.
Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate you being there in place of Dan.
Speaker 5: Dan Dan the man. Okay, my friend.
Speaker 3: Dan is the man.
Speaker 8: Let me tell you right now, I don't know you.
Speaker 5: Can hold a candle and the two of you, I
Speaker 5: like both of you.
Speaker 3: Well, we tried, but boy, when it comes to the
Speaker 3: legal stuff in the in the polityes.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, dance the man.
Speaker 5: Well, you're doing a hell of a job. Keep it up. Okay,
Speaker 5: thank you, Gary, We'll see you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the phone call right here on WBC's night
Speaker 3: side six seven thirty. The telephone number if you want
Speaker 3: to get on board. We have another ten to fifteen
Speaker 3: minutes to go here. So anyways, as I was saying,
Speaker 3: the father of Colt Grey, Colin Gray, is now, I mean,
Speaker 3: this guy's going to go to jail probably for ten
Speaker 3: to thirty years because his kid had a gun. And
Speaker 3: he is quoted as saying in the past that his
Speaker 3: son was a responsible gun owner. It seems to me
Speaker 3: right now that if you are a household with firearms,
Speaker 3: and I'm so I know how you feel. You're saying, tangle,
Speaker 3: you get off your high horse. I have family members
Speaker 3: that are hunters from Maine. Almost everybody I grew up
Speaker 3: with hunted gun cabinets. Put the bullets in one part
Speaker 3: of the house, put the guns in the other part
Speaker 3: of the house, the whole bit. So I've been around it,
Speaker 3: and I understand that there are a majority of responsible
Speaker 3: gun owners. But the way it's going right now, you
Speaker 3: cannot leave a firearm or a weapon with anybody under
Speaker 3: the age of eighteen in the house. You just can't.
Speaker 3: You got to lock it up. You've got to lock
Speaker 3: it up, especially if the kid is having trouble, and
Speaker 3: there were some signs that he was having trouble. The
Speaker 3: parents were getting divorced, he was struggling with that probably,
Speaker 3: and we have seen this in the past. This certainly
Speaker 3: happened with the shooting in Connecticut, where the parent and
Speaker 3: the child bond over the weapon. They buy him the weapon,
Speaker 3: they take him to the shooting range, they go hunting
Speaker 3: with them. It's something they do together, so they don't
Speaker 3: feel they need to take the weapon away. But that's
Speaker 3: what happened in Newtown, Connecticut, when the mother bought the
Speaker 3: weapon for the for her son and he ended up
Speaker 3: taking her life with it. That's where we're at folks,
Speaker 3: you get kids and you get guns, you gotta lock
Speaker 3: them up. You gotta lock them up. Final segment here
Speaker 3: on Nightside, coming up on WBZ right after this.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 2: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: Describe some couple of calls here as we finished strong
Speaker 3: on WBC's Nightside six one, seven, two thirty. Let's go
Speaker 3: to Jack in bed for Jack. You're up on WDBZ.
Speaker 3: What's going on? How you doing? Jack?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and you know in this day
Speaker 1: and age that we're in right now, with with with
Speaker 1: all this chaos and the whatever whateveryone's mind is in
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, you're right under I'll say, even under seventeen,
Speaker 1: you got you gotta keep the pieces locked up. Even
Speaker 1: if we're talking the you know, rifles, baby guns, whatever, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gotta be under lock and key, okay, and total
Speaker 1: supervision if they if they come out or whatever. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give everyone one a little reality check here, okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get just maybe a little off topic.
Speaker 1: If you got the money and you know the right people,
Speaker 1: meaning and well underworld, I'm assuming in this case Okay,
Speaker 1: you can get whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Oh you mean talking about buying weapons, of course? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I understand that. Yeah, of course you can. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: got it. You know when you talk.
Speaker 1: About you had a million dollars, like, sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're talking about gun control, people can
Speaker 3: make the argument that if somebody wants to get a weapon,
Speaker 3: they're going to get a weapon. You know, then then
Speaker 3: the argument would that is, well, you have to make
Speaker 3: it more difficult to buy an AR fifteen, and you
Speaker 3: go back and forth on it. I think if that's
Speaker 3: the point you're making, I am yeah, I understand exactly.
Speaker 9: You can't.
Speaker 1: It's a no, there's no uh. What's the expression I'm
Speaker 1: looking for. There's no uh, you know it's a it's a.
Speaker 3: Well, I think there is. And thank you for the
Speaker 3: phone call. I appreciate it. Check coming from the state
Speaker 3: of Maine. There is a right of passage where a
Speaker 3: parent and a young person. It can be a father
Speaker 3: and a daughter, a mother and a sonomy whatever. Where
Speaker 3: you go hunting and you know, you get your first rifle,
Speaker 3: you get your first twenty two, and you go hunting
Speaker 3: with your dad. You are hunting with your uncles, you
Speaker 3: go on hunting trips sixteen or seventeen. I get it.
Speaker 3: I've seen it. It wasn't for me. My dad didn't hunt.
Speaker 3: I did not, un A lot of my friends did.
Speaker 3: And I witness it. And it's a tradition and it's
Speaker 3: a right of passions. And a kid gets his first deer,
Speaker 3: it's a big deal. They take the deer, they cut
Speaker 3: up the meat, they freeze it, they eat it, they
Speaker 3: make vedicine. It's all good, it's all good. But now
Speaker 3: we're at a point in time in this country where
Speaker 3: we're in a mental health crisis and you cannot leave
Speaker 3: weapons exposed with young people. You just can't. Now when
Speaker 3: I talk about families and who are gun owners, and
Speaker 3: the kids are fine, they're probably obviously the majority are.
Speaker 3: But if you're the adult in the room, the cabinet
Speaker 3: has to be locked so people like cold Gray can't
Speaker 3: get them if they are mentally ill. That's the way
Speaker 3: it has to be. All right, Let's go to Tina
Speaker 3: and Marlborough. Tina, you're up on WBZ.
Speaker 9: Hey, Gary, I am calling to say I totally agree
Speaker 9: with you. So I'm calling as a person who has
Speaker 9: been a teacher of young kids. I love young kids.
Speaker 9: I am also calling as a woman who does not
Speaker 9: have children because I made a choice not to have children,
Speaker 9: because being a parent is a huge responsibility. Yes, and
Speaker 9: I'm tired of parents not taking responsibility for their kids
Speaker 9: because you're a parent from the day you conceive until
Speaker 9: the day you die, right, and parents are responsible for
Speaker 9: their kids. And I'm going to say up until twenty one,
Speaker 9: parents should be responsible for their kids in this in
Speaker 9: a gun situation, I mean, kids can't drink until they're
Speaker 9: twenty one. They're not responsible enough to drink. They sure
Speaker 9: as hell shouldn't be responsible enough to have access to
Speaker 9: a gun.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if the kid is living at home,
Speaker 3: if they're young. You know, obviously I hear you. I
Speaker 3: understand what you're saying. I think it might be tough
Speaker 3: to do because you have the right to vote at eighteen.
Speaker 3: But we're on the same page, totally on the same
Speaker 3: We're totally on the same page. And the public shootings
Speaker 3: are so out of control in this country. Is we
Speaker 3: have to go to extreme measures to stop them because
Speaker 3: the government's certainly not going to help us out with
Speaker 3: any sort of gun control.
Speaker 9: Yeah, which there should be, and at the end of
Speaker 9: the day, I'm sorry. Like you know, having been in
Speaker 9: the school systems as well, everybody parents want to point
Speaker 9: their fingers that everybody else though what their kids are doing.
Speaker 9: And I'm sorry, but you had the kids because you
Speaker 9: wanted to have kids. You take responsibility for them.
Speaker 3: Well, I agree, Tina, You're right on that because I've
Speaker 3: seen that where you know, when I came home from
Speaker 3: school and if there was a note from the teacher
Speaker 3: as I go, old bastard on you, or if there
Speaker 3: was a you know it, it wasn't the teacher's fault.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even disputable. It was on me, and you
Speaker 3: had to deal with it. And now, and this is
Speaker 3: my feeling teen is because parents are so insecure. We
Speaker 3: feel that if our child is struggling academically or socially
Speaker 3: in school and mist behaving, it's a reflection on us.
Speaker 3: So if my kid is messing up, that makes me
Speaker 3: look like a bad parent, So it can't be me,
Speaker 3: It must be.
Speaker 7: The teacher, right, yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's what I think parents think. And it's it's no,
Speaker 3: that's not it your parents. Your kid is not you.
Speaker 3: You know, if my kid screws up you got to
Speaker 3: support the teacher. I'm with you one hundred percent absolutely,
Speaker 3: and it's not and it's not happening.
Speaker 9: Yeah. So two things I have to say. All my
Speaker 9: friends have kids, I'm like, especially when they're teenagers, if
Speaker 9: your kids hate you, you just look at them and say,
Speaker 9: thank you, I'm doing my job.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true too, and I'm terrible than that's what.
Speaker 9: Your kids are supposed to do in their teenagers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the line, I am too. I've been as I
Speaker 3: can tell you as a parent, I've always been too
Speaker 3: worried about being liked by my kids. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 3: but I would not allow them to have a gun.
Speaker 3: That's where I draw the line. Tina.
Speaker 9: One other thing said you can go onto somebody else.
Speaker 9: But so I asked this question many years ago when
Speaker 9: people have said there haven't been studies in this. But
Speaker 9: I don't think a lot of our gun violence is
Speaker 9: going to all of our video games like Call of Duty,
Speaker 9: where you sit back, you relax, you turn on your
Speaker 9: call of duty and the answer to everything is to
Speaker 9: go shoot up everybody around you. And I can't believe
Speaker 9: that there is no correlation between that and the gun
Speaker 9: violence we're seeing. I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: Why I agree with you, and if and if and
Speaker 3: if any and if anybody says differently, you're a fool.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 3: Of course there is. Of course there is a correlation.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 9: Of course there is the parents letting them just play
Speaker 9: that game.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I've done it. My kid plays it,
Speaker 3: my son played it, you know. Yeah, you're right, of course, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course there is.
Speaker 9: And yeah, and I just think that again, that's parenting,
Speaker 9: and it's just it's a shame. It is a shame,
Speaker 9: and it's a shame that that's how it's brought up,
Speaker 9: that's that it's in our culture. I agree that that's
Speaker 9: in a way to relax. So those are my two cents.
Speaker 9: And I do have to say when you're filling in,
Speaker 9: I have listened to a couple of times, and I
Speaker 9: enjoy listening to you. You had a teacher on a
Speaker 9: couple of weeks ago. I listened to. It was just
Speaker 9: a great conversation. I learned a lot. It's just nice
Speaker 9: having you on board, Tina.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I appreciate the call.
Speaker 9: Thanks appreciate you too.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll see you later. Eric and Adelbor you get
Speaker 3: thirty seconds.
Speaker 10: Sorry, I'm okay, thirty seconds is all I need. Basically,
Speaker 10: I'd like to point out that I would say, at
Speaker 10: least in the fifties and sixties, perhaps not so much
Speaker 10: in the coastal liberal.
Speaker 7: States like Massachusetts or California, but in Flyover country in
Speaker 7: terms of athletic activity, rifling and rifles classes was part
Speaker 7: of a daily public education which actually took the stigma.
Speaker 8: Out of the you know, the whatever kind.
Speaker 6: Of evil pizasmic goes a long with a gun. And
Speaker 6: there was very very few, if any at all, regular
Speaker 6: school shootings with teenagers back then.
Speaker 10: So basically the.
Speaker 8: Problem we have now is that we've taken things like
Speaker 8: that away from the children and give them much, in
Speaker 8: my opinion, much more degenerate, radical, disgusting things to take
Speaker 8: the place of self defense.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, I just have to cut you off,
Speaker 3: but I appreciate the call. Please call earlier next time.
Speaker 3: I thank you for your input on this, Rob Brooks,
Speaker 3: thank you, great job, Marita LaRosa, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow night eight o'clock right here in
Speaker 3: WBC's Night Side