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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Josh. Josh,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hi Vic, great to be here. Really an honor. Never

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thought i'd be talking to you, so I've always listened

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to your show for the last few years, so yeah,

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I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for listening with the honors all mine. We

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appreciate you doing this. Josh, please give us a brief

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bio in yourself.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was born in the up Upper Michigan, and

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when I was younger, I was into skateboarding for a

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long time, got pretty good at it. But after that

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I went through high school and all that. Pretty much,

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I always stayed in town. So I live in Menominee County,

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And if you were looking at a map of the

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United States in Upper Michigan, Menominee County stretches down to

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the southernmost point where it connects to Wisconsin, and it's

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separated by the Monomine River, and the city I live

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in is at that southernmost point of Upper Michigan. So

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I've always I kind of grew up in a haunted house.

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It wasn't terrible, but things did happen. As I was

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seventeen eighteen nineteen, I noticed things, and when I brought

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it to my mom's attention, she told me about stuff

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that had happened to her but didn't want to scare me.

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So that was kind of my introduction into the paranormal.

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I'm not in that house anymore, but I got into that,

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dabbled a little bit with trying to get interactions from spirits,

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and eventually it kind of moved to cryptids just sasquatch. Really,

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I'm not sure exactly how it happened. I think I

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just heard, Yeah, I think I just heard a podcast

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and the person was so believable, and I heard this

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Sierra sounds and all that. So I'm very familiar with

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cryptids and the dog man thing. And nowadays, you know,

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I'm still here, same town. I help my mom's boyfriend

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once in a while, who's the carpenter build houses stuff

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like that. We have one possibly coming up, and I

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guess that's about it. I love fishing. I hunt every

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year since I was twelve, but I'm really more of

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a fisherman, and that's kind of my passion, along with

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animals and mainly reptiles. I'd say that describes me pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Just a bit ago, you said you know about cryptids. Now, yeah,

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i'd say you do after that dog mean encounter you have.

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But of course we're going to get into that. And

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speaking of that, from what I understand, someone close to

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you told me about me and what I do, Please

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expand on.

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Speaker 2: That for us. Right. So, me and my mom always

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when I was younger, and when we lived in that house,

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we would actually watch haunted shows and she still does

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to this day. And I always you know, I got

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into the Sasquatch thing, and you know, watch Sasquatch Chronicles

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and just my favorite thing, well, my favorite way to

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watch was listening to the actual person telling their encounter.

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That's what made me a believer, even though I had

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never seen one anything like that. While my mom brought

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to my attention about dog Man and you got to

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hear the Kundiff Show, and I knew a dog man

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at this point, but I just hadn't looked into it.

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I wasn't too sure, but I did see a show

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I forget. It might have been like these woods are

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Haunted or something like that, where a guy had an

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encounter with one that stood up. He was outside his

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truck and he stopped by a swamp and he said

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when it stood up, he could hear like the joints

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popping and stuff, and so I did kind of think, yeah,

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they might be real or it's something. But anyway, there

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was a show which she wanted me to listen to,

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or she picked one for me. I was like, oh, well,

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all right, you know, and gave it a try, and

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then since then it just rolled forward like every episode

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you and other people, uh, because I realized it was

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just like sasquatch. Like these people, these that do podcasts

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have hundreds of episodes, and you know, they all sound

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believable that these encounters happened. So that was enough for

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me to know these things are out there as much

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as you could know without actually seeing one. And she's

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actually she stumbled across you just on YouTube, probably because

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she watched go stuff or some Sasquatch stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad she found out about me and let you

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know about me as well. I'm wondering, though, how long

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ago did she tell you.

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Speaker 2: About me, Well, I want to say about four years

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or going on four years, but definitely three.

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Speaker 1: So it's been a while then, Yep.

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Speaker 2: It's been a while, a lot of episodes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say it must have been.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a nightly thing for me. When I settled down,

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I put on, you know, a cryptid podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well, like I told you before, I'm so glad you

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found out about me and what I do you know

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about the show, and it sounds like it's been at

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least somewhat helpful for you, So thank goodness for that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you don't even know that it is. Like, I

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really believe this is important that people need to know

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at least know these things are out there and have

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that prepared in your mind so that if something does happen,

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you at least know what it is and you have

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some information to go off of. I feel so terrible

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for people that have no clue that these things exist

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and then they run into one face to face something

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like that. I can only imagine the terror and they

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get real like PTSD from it, nightmares and everything. In fact,

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I can only imagine. So I'm glad I was a

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little prepared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank goodness for that. Yeah, it definitely helps you

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knowing about them before you have that encounter. And speaking

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to that encounter, the encounter happened on the fifteenth of

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this month, that's just five days ago. Where in Michigan

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did that encounter happen?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the encounter happened in trying to think, I

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think it's still considered Menominee County, but it's about fourteen

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miles north of the city of Menominee, Michigan. And it's

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just that there's a dead end road gravel road, so

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maybe about a mile and a half long. And my

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dad and grandpa in nineteen ninety or ninety one bought

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forty acres there. It's a cedar swamp and built the camp.

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Built the camp in nineteen ninety one for the purpose

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of deer hunting. And that's why I was there on

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the fifteenth opening morning when it happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a heck of a way to open the season.

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It happened less than a week ago. How much trouble

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are you having wrapping your mind around the fact that

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you actually had a dog meaning encounter.

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Speaker 2: It's really only starting to set in more and more

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because even though, like, I really believed these creatures are real,

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and I don't know what they are and all this,

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I believe they existed. Whatever they are. You know, you're

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walking in the woods or whatever, you still you know,

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kind of feel like you can't picture it really happening.

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So seeing what I saw was very startling. I was shaking.

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I was looking through the scope. I popped my head

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up too to you know, make sure, but I mean,

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he wasn't that far away, and then I didn't even

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have the scope powered up. I just never thought this

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would happen to me. The most I ever thought is

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I think about sasquatch so much and all that that

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maybe one day I'll have an encounter. But I'd never

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once have I gone out looking for cryptids in any

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way because of the stories you hear, even with sasquatch

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like it changes you, it can terrify you, ruin some

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people's lives. So I kind of decided, like, I don't

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want to go looking for them.

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Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, sometimes they find you. If you've had a

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dog Mean encounter, I would like to speak with me

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about it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please

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go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. All right, Josh,

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please tell us about your encounter. Now give us every

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last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So it was November fifteenth when it happened, but

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me and my dad always go up to camp on

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the fourteenth, so we're at camp for opening morning. So

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on the fourteenth he had to work that day. It

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was a Friday, and he was picking me up at four,

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which he did, and I recently I don't have my

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truck anymore. All I have is my hardy, but he

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likes picking me up anyway because he's really into hunting

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and that way he probably feels like I'm kind of

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stuck up there and stuff and I can't just go leaving.

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But anyway, he picked me up at four and we

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drove up there just like always, unpacked all the food.

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We had our black German shepherd dog named Bear with us.

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He's about four years old, and my dad had recently

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just got a new German Shepherd puppy and like three

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weeks ago or so, and this was my first time

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seeing him and him his name's Gunner. So we're on

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our way to camp. We get there on load, everything

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get settled, and that night, you know, was nothing much

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going on. We made some supper, had a couple of beers,

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while I only had one that I didn't finish. But really,

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I mean, he just wanted to get to bed early

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and he did. And the camp is like one big room,

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like a living room and a kitchen area, but it's

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just one big room, and then there's a bedroom and

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it has room for like four beds. There's four beds

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in there, and there's two doors that lead to that,

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so there's really no privacy in it. But he always

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sleeps in the bedroom and I stay in the living room,

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and I usually sleep on the floor because with the woodstove,

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he keeps it really hot. It's usually no less than

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eighty degrees and like dry heat. So that's where I slept.

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can see into the backyard, which it's a smaller backyard,

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it's maybe thirty yards, and then you can just see

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Cedar swamp. But my dad cut lanes, so there's a

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three hundred yard long lane directly behind the camp in

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the backyard, and then a little to the left there's

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another lane that's been there since day one. And the

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reason for that is if you're going to hunt in

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a cedar swamp, you have to cut lanes. And we're

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allowed to bate in Michigan, at least up here in

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our area. You would never shoot one without them lanes,

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and you generally have a blind that you sit in

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so you know. And we have a flood light out

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there that lights up the whole yard and into the

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lane a little bit. But I just watched a little

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TV or on my phone and casually or glance out

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the window see if anything's there. But nothing of happened. Besides,

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I didn't get much sleep because the puppy kept bugging

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me and he was drinking a lot of water and

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I had to let them out a whole lot. But

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I did manage to get about three hours of sleep.

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And it was four thirty in the morning. I was

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already awake. I had my alarm set for five am.

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to the bathroom. We don't have running water. It's a camp,

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you know. So when he came back in, I told him, okay, Dad,

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half hour, I'll you know, I'll get you back up.

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He said, okay, And the plan was I was going

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to go to the blind and he was gonna hunt

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at the camp. Now, our camp sits on the let

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me see here, our camp sits on like the southeast

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of the forty. And for people that don't know, like

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if you picture forty acres, is just a square well

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in the bottom right hand corner, that's where the camp is.

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And it's right next to the gravel dead end road

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as well. Now the blind that's been there since day one,

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that my dad built, and if you're picturing that square

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now the blind would be more like at the top

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left of the forty. So I have to walk four

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hundred yards down the gravel road and then turn north

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into the woods and almost walk another three hundred and

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fifty yards or so, because forty acres, if you walk

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across it, it's four hundred and forty yards. So he

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didn't get back up, So I just got ready and

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got all my stuff on. It was supposed to be

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like unseasonably warm, possibly up to sixty and it was

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pretty warmal decent when I got outside. But I just

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put on my camouflage pants and jacket, you know, orange vest,

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and I had a backpack with a couple things. But anyway,

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I grabbed my rifle and the shells, and once I

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walked out the door and shut it, I realized it

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was very foggy out. And I always load my gun

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when I get outside of the camp. I have a

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thirty odd six. It's a weather be thirty odd six

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with a pretty nice Nikon scope with bullet drop compensation.

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So I was using fusion core shells for the thirty

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odd six. I believe they're one hundred and fifty grain.

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Don't quote me on it, though, but I put four.

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I loaded four into it. It's a bolt action rifle,

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and I had three spare ones in my jacket pocket.

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And I left from there and began to walk down

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the road. Now it's still dark out. I have a

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head lamp, but it was very foggy out. But I

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finally nothing of know what happened on the walk really

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that I can think of. And I don't do the

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morning hunts too often where because you want to be

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in the blind when it's still dark, so that you're

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already there the animals have settled down, and when it

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gets light out, you know there might be deer there

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at your bait pile. But these woods have always made

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me a little nervous. I usually did the night hunt,

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and you stay until it's dark and then you got

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to walk out. And you know, I got almost a

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quarter mile to walk out. I've always been a little nervous,

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but nothing has ever happened, never even heard anything. So

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I get there to the lane that leads to the blind.

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And when I say lane, I mean it's maybe I

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don't know, maybe six seven foot wide, I'm not sure,

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but it's not just it's a straight shot basically, But

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it's a cedar swamp, so there's stumps, there's puddles, there's

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up and downs, there's gnoles, and you got a million

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cedar trees because it is a cedar swamp, and there's

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other trees and stuff mixed in, so on either side

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of you. You really can't see in there unless you're

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at a spot where there just happens to be not

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as much, you know, and especially when it's dark. So

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it's already a bit of a spooky forest as far

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as forests, goal like, that's the type of woods that's

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the spookiest for me anyway. But you know, I get

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there to the blind and this blind's been there forever.

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A new one needs to be built or something. But

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you got a there's a wooden door and it's hard

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to open and it makes noise and I'm trying to

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be quiet, and it's you got to like squeeze in there,

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like I'm only five foot seven or eight, and I

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have to duck. And then there's a chair right away,

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so you got to kind of duck in there and

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get around to that chair. And you know, I took

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the backpack off and I actually, yeah, I was warm.

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I unziped my jacket and then I'll explain the blind.

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There's three lanes, but there's only one main one with bait,

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and that one's right in front of me, facing to

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the north, and it's probably well, really it's like two

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hundred yards long, but it hasn't been maintained this year,

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so you can't see as far. So where the corn is.

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The bait is really maybe fifty yards away and then

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maybe sixty, but my dad did say he put it

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a little closer than normal. So that's the main lane

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that I'm looking down, and I have like a push

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in you know, where I rest the rifle out the window.

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It's not really a window, it's just a cutout so

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you can see and then to my left, there's a

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really long lane, maybe three hundred yards, and then of

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course there's the lane you walked in on and them

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other two lanes. I just glanced at him, and rarely

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do I see a deer in all the years. My

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dad shot one buck down the lane you walk in on,

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and it's such a hard shot to maneuver over there

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and everything. So anyway, I get there, it's not foggy anymore,

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at least in the woods, it wasn't foggy, and it's dark,

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and I got my rifle up there, and you can't

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really see much at all, and I'm just waiting and

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slowly getting light out. Slowly I can kind of see

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down the lay and it looks like there's, you know,

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a deer there, but I can't be sure. It's just

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not it's not light enough out yet. Now. One thing

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I didn't mention yet is I'm already hearing movement as

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soon as I'm in the blind and settled, and I

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assume it's deer, but I eventually also was hearing some

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other kind of movement or like stomping sounds, and it's

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getting lighter and lighter, and if there were deer down there,

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they went further and I couldn't really determine. But once

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it was light enough out, I didn't see the deer

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walk out. I just noticed it was there, and that

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does happen in this swamp sometimes because their camouflage is

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so good. I noticed there was a dough there, and

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immediately I can tell she cocks her head and she

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hears the whatever's walking. Now, generally this is a good

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sign because the bucks are in rut. So really you

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want the does at your bait pile, and you're hoping

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that a buck will come there for her, and then

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you know you can get them, and so you really

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take the cues off of the dough. And I could

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hear it walking anyway, which normally you don't, or you

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don't until the last second, normally just all of a sudden,

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silently see the horns coming out. But anyway, she's watching

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and has her ears perked, and I'm looking through my

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scope the whole time because I bigger bucks. They're hey,

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don't always give you much of a chance, and you

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only got that one lane. They might only stick their

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neck out for a second and then turn around, so

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you got to be ready. So I had the safety

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off and looking through the scope. Now it seemed like

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I can hear this walking the whole time in some

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other movement, but I'm not really paying too much attention.

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I'm just hoping this is probably a buck coming. Well,

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it seemed like it got to where, okay, I'm going

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to see it any second, but I didn't. And more

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minutes go by, so I don't really know what it

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was doing or what it even was. But it felt

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like twenty minutes, but I'd say it was probably more

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like ten. And this is where something happens that it's

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a little hard to talk about because it's it sounds

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a little unbelievable. But out of nowhere, this giant wolf

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kind of just his steps out or leaps out onto

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the lane in front of that dough blocking her, and

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he's perfectly in the lane. And of course I'm looking

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at him broadside, and I mean, it does look like

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a wolf, but it's so unbelievably huge. Vic I cannot

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stress enough. I my very first thought was it's a

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dog man, just because of the size. And it's close.

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I can I lifted up my head, I can see

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it perfectly. It's I don't know, it is huge and

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it's not doing anything, ending perfectly still not looking at me.

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I was really nervous that it was going to turn

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its head towards me. But at the same time, I'm

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kind of entranced by it, Like it don't look like

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some evil creature. And it had different colors in it,

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not really the colors of a gray wolf or a

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timber wolf, but well it had them colors, but it

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had more and different like patches, and I don't know,

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like its hair, like I know, like deer hair is hollow,

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I believe, And I was thinking because it was kind

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of like it had little you know, it was kind

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of shimmering almost. It didn't look like a spirit, but

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just at the tips of its hairs, the sunlight or

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something was bouncing off of it. So as I'm looking

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at it, which it seems like forever, I'm starting to think, like,

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this isn't like some evil creature. I don't even think

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it's a dog man. If anything, it seemed like a guardian,

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like maybe it was there to help or something. I

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don't know. But before it left, it went to like

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turn its head, and as it did that, I slightly

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looked away, and then it went off. It was gone,

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and the first thing I did was let me see here. Yeah,

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I had well, I got my phone out because I

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accidentally took both walkie talkies. Normally there's one at camp

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and one with me in the blind. I had a

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walkie talkie already in my backpack, and here I grabbed

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the one off of the table. So I look my phone.

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It's at two percent. I called him and tried to explain,

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and I know it's gonna sound stupid to him, and

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he asked me some question about like what it looked

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like and stuff, and he's like, yeah, Josh, that's a

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you know, that's a gray wolf. I was like, Dad,

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you do not understand. I know wolves can get big.

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I've seen Arctic wolves, you know, but this is like

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at least as tall as a horse and longer. It's

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just huge, massive. It's not it's not a normal wolf.

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So my phone dies and he was sleeping when I called, anyway,

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but my phone died, and so I'm kind of on

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my own here. I don't have any way of contact,

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and I didn't know I kind of I did say

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to my dad before we hung up, as I said,

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you might have to come get me, because I didn't

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want to walk out of there alone. I at least

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wanted him to take the truck down to the lane,

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but he didn't do that, so I didn't know if

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he was coming or not. Anyway, after I sat there

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for a little bit, I started to feel better. I

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didn't get any bad feeling from it, really, and it's

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gone now, and I just decided, well, I'm just going

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to stay here and actually hunt. I might not shoot anything,

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but I'm going to stay here. I didn't want to

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walk out yet, but I wasn't too terrified. I was

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more shocked. And you know, I don't know what to

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make of that. I've heard a few stories of these

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extra mega large wolves, sightings of them. What they are,

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if it's I don't know what it is. I really don't.

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Probably nobody does. But anyway, after maybe ten minutes or so,

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I noticed that dough is there again, or it's still there,

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or maybe it's a different dough, but it really just looked,

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you know, it was in the same spot kind of.

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So that kind of surprised me because I you know,

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I kind of thought like it did that to get

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the dough or whatever, at least for a second. But anyway,

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the dough's there, I'm watching, I'm looking to my right,

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I'm looking to my left because I'm hearing things. One

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of the things I remember hearing, besides unidentified movement that

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didn't sound like deer, I heard a metallic sound, which

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there is other people hunting not that far from me,

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like to the west, but it came it didn't seem

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like it came from that way, and it was just

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weird mixed in with everything. And I also heard what

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may have been like a tree knock, probably not. It

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was like some kind of thudding. But anyway, as this

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is happening, while I'm hearing footsteps, there is like it

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sounds like a big foot's coming, I guess, is what

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I'm thinking. Maybe. But what's really unnerving me now is

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every once in a while, the whole blind is like vibrating,

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and I can feel it in my feet and up

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in my legs, like it would vibrate really good for

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a good five seconds, I'd say at least three or four. Yeah,

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I'm more like five. And I didn't know what's doing that.

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That's never happened to me. I've been there in all

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kinds of weather. The footsteps were loud, but you know,

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further away. I just figured there's no way that's what's

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doing this. And it happened a good at least three times,

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three for sure, maybe four intermittently well, and it stopped.

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And I'm still hearing things like multiple just movement and stuff.

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Some sound like deer, some sound like something on two

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feet heavy. Anyway, I'm looking through my scope at this

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doll and all of a sudden, and this is maybe,

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let me think, maybe thirty forty minutes since yeah, at

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least that long, since the wolf thing right to the

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side of this deer. The deer's in like in the

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middle of the lane, and this thing, it's well closer

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to me than the deer. But I don't know what

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it did. But it stood up. I don't know if

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it was on its belly, but to me, and I

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was looking through my scope when I seen it happen.

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To me, it was like it came from nothing and

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it just went up and formed really quickly into the

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shape of an upright caneine. I knew immediately that this

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is a dog man and I just can't believe this.

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I mean, first that and then that's like what is

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going on, and it's all black and it's facing away

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from me. It's close, it's thirty yards maybe, I don't know.

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It took me about it didn't move right away, but

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pretty quickly. I lifted my head up once and looked,

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and I could see it, and I put it back

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down immediately because I wanted it in the scope. I

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had no plans of shooting it anyway. It was as

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soon as I did that, like two seconds. I'm now shaking,

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and because I've heard too many encounters where they really

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try to terrify people, it seems, so I'm shaking as

472
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,519
I'm holding the rifle up and I'm actually saying out

473
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:48,000
loud to myself like please, like do not turn around,

474
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:51,079
and my voice is shaking like that, just don't look

475
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:55,639
at me. Because actually, when he stood up like that,

476
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,360
he kind of was slightly broadside for a second, and

477
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:07,360
I seen like his snout and maybe part of his eye,

478
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,960
I don't know, but immediately I knew he was mad.

479
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,719
He just you could tell. He started walking away from me,

480
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,639
and he stayed on the right side of the lane,

481
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,920
not in the woods, just on the very edge of

482
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,960
the lane. I can see his whole body and he's black.

483
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:33,039
He's got them pointy ears. He's not super tall. He

484
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,880
might be six feet maybe six and a half, probably

485
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:43,440
six and a half. I'd say he's all black. He

486
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:47,440
is very tone. You can see his in his arms

487
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,559
and shoulders. Looking at him from the back, you can

488
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:55,840
see he's he's got muscles. You can see the individual muscles.

489
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,280
But he didn't have like some huge guns for arms,

490
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:07,400
but they were honed in shape. He was cut and

491
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:13,559
as from the shoulders down, he kind of he kind

492
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,639
of had that V shape a little bit, but not

493
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,599
too much. But I did notice he didn't have this

494
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:23,400
didn't have a tail. But unless he had it tucked

495
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:29,199
up under him, I've heard maybe they do that. It

496
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,079
wasn't one of the ones I've heard of that have

497
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,360
like human like legs or bigfoot type legs like, No,

498
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:43,039
he had like canine back legs. Well he's as he's walking,

499
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:47,239
I mean, he's really walking with a leg. He pissed off,

500
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,960
really moving his arms, kind of stomping, and when he

501
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,119
gets near that dough, I don't know why, but he

502
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:03,199
took his right arm and he stretched it way back

503
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,719
and then he swung it right at her, but it

504
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,039
didn't hit her. I don't believe but I thought it like,

505
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:14,880
I really don't know, but I don't think so. And

506
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,400
when he did that and came around, I could see

507
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,119
like the palm of his hand, and I could see

508
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:28,000
his like long fingers and he had long claws. I

509
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,079
can't seem to remember the color, but you know exactly

510
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:38,719
what people describe. So when he did that, before he

511
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,119
continued on, he turned his head back and looked at

512
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,519
me quick like. He did that and then looked at

513
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:54,840
me and he looked very mad angry. I don't know

514
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,960
if he's evil. I didn't get like, I didn't really

515
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,920
get an evil feeling, and I'm kind of sensitive. There

516
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,000
wasn't no I was terrified, but just because of him.

517
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,320
So I'm not sure if he was evil. But I

518
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,559
mean seeing that face for that split second and I

519
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,599
did kind of look away, and he did turn right

520
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:27,239
back around. I mean the expression on his face, like

521
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,960
an animal just can't do that. And you know, like

522
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,559
I said, that was the one thing I didn't want

523
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,920
him to do. But thank god he turned around and

524
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,280
kept going. But I did see that he had a

525
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,599
snout like a dog, but it wasn't super long. This

526
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,440
wasn't like where people say it looked like a German shepherd.

527
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:56,239
It really didn't. It looked like a I don't know,

528
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:01,920
a medium snout, not super long, and maybe like kind

529
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,800
of crooked or messed up, you know, not like perfect.

530
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,039
He did look pretty wicked, honestly, and just you get

531
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:15,960
you and tell him like it's an intelligent thing, but

532
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,480
that's supposed to be like an animal. And I know

533
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:24,599
all this stuff. So that really did help. And that's

534
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,679
why I think these shows are important, Like people need

535
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,000
to know this. Do they attack people. I think it happens,

536
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,760
but probably not very often. I think bears attack people

537
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,039
more often. But there needs to be some preparation in

538
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,679
your mind. Because this helped me. It really did. Like

539
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,159
I'm not that brave. I do get scared in the

540
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,440
dark a little bit, but I can hold it together.

541
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:59,000
But of course this terrified me. Well, he continued to

542
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,320
walk down the lane few more steps, and I don't

543
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,159
know how he did this, and I don't even know

544
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,800
because it took no effort. He he didn't like get

545
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,840
a running start to really crouch down. He just all

546
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,679
at once pounced up and landed on a decent sized

547
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,400
cedar tree that I can see. It's on the left

548
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,920
side of my lane. I can see basically the whole tree.

549
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:33,280
I mean, he had to have jumped like twenty feet

550
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,159
I would say, I'll say fifteen to be safe. I'm

551
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:40,199
really not sure, but at least fifteen, probably more like twenty.

552
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,159
And he clung to that tree, but he also launched

553
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,599
off it, like he clung to it and pounced off it.

554
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,440
So he jumped to this tree that's on the left

555
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,679
of my lane. When he pounces off, now he's going

556
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:03,320
back to the right, but also up higher, and he

557
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,880
lands on an overhanging limb way up high that goes

558
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,800
across the middle of my lane. But it's pretty far

559
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,239
back there, not sure how many yards, but it's not

560
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,159
a very big limb. But that's what he landed on.

561
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,239
And he landed perfectly. I didn't hear any noise. I

562
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,119
don't know. But as soon as he landed on that limb,

563
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,119
he went down on his belly, took both his front

564
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,320
arms and his back legs, wrapped them around underneath that branch,

565
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,719
and all of a sudden, he's just you would never

566
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,119
know that that was not like just a burrel or

567
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,079
something on the tree. He made himself as small as

568
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:52,039
possible and he's so black. No matter what I did

569
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,079
with the scupe power it up to ten nine whatever,

570
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,119
you can't tell where his head is anymore, you know,

571
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,880
all I kept the scope on him, I'm not taking

572
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,679
it off.

573
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: Now.

574
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think because he's not moving at all.

575
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,840
I'm trying to think what I'm going to do, and

576
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:21,920
I know my phone's dead. After about it seemed like

577
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,480
I watched him for twenty minutes. That's what I kind

578
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,239
of called it, but really it probably was more like

579
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:33,239
twelve or something. I'm not sure. But after a few

580
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,519
minutes of watching him and he's not moving, and I'm

581
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,639
not taking my eye off him because in my head

582
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:41,599
from what I've heard and stuff, I feel like if

583
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,679
I take my eye off him, when I look back,

584
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,280
he won't be there. So anyway, what I decided to do,

585
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,320
even though my phone's dead, is I'm going to try

586
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,039
to turn it on and call my dad immediately and

587
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:01,159
just get the message. Come get me with the rifle down,

588
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:05,320
you know, meet me on the lane to the blind.

589
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,119
I'll keep an eye on this thing. Whatever I can say,

590
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,639
And I actually got through it stayed, it didn't die

591
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,960
right away. I'm trying to think of what I said

592
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:26,480
to him. Jeez, he was sleeping too, And it died

593
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:30,280
so quick, and I just rambled, Dad, there's there's an

594
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,679
actual dog man. It's a black one and it's not

595
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,559
like that wolf. This is not a wolf, and you know,

596
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:40,840
and then like it died so and he didn't come.

597
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:44,280
I don't know if he was gonna he would have

598
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:52,119
eventually anyway. I don't know if other noises were still

599
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:54,480
going on. I'm so focused on this thing ever since

600
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:59,400
I seen it. Well, I do remember I did look

601
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,400
away from a once, but I went back to the

602
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,800
scope and yeah, he was still there. So I start

603
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,599
kind of thinking about, like, I I gotta get out

604
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,159
of here. I can't handle it anymore. I gotta get out.

605
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,440
But I realized, like I have to get out, but

606
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,159
I can't panic. I can't run in my swamp boots

607
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,719
down this lane. It's not even you just can't do it.

608
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,039
And if I tried it, I would fall, Like it

609
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,400
just be a bad idea. And I got to carry

610
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,880
the rifle too, and I didn't have my Oh, I

611
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,840
didn't have my strap, so I couldn't even put it

612
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:47,639
over my shoulder. Well, I started kind of amping myself

613
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:53,719
up like talking and myself into it, not out loud,

614
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:57,079
but thinking things like, you know what, I'm just gonna

615
00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,519
leave these are my woods, Like I'm not scared. I'm

616
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,039
just gonna do it. No matter what happens, I'm gonna

617
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:05,360
do it. I'm gonna walk and I'm going right now.

618
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,599
And I'm not even gonna be quiet opening the door

619
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,599
because it's too hard. I'm just gonna do it quick.

620
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,679
So one last looking them. I have trouble getting around

621
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,840
the chair and out the door. It's loud, and I

622
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,719
stumble around the side of the blind to get on

623
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,159
the lane, and I've made a lot of noise. And

624
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,159
I'm really worried now because just that time I took

625
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,760
I know, he could have probably already been basically to me.

626
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,480
So once I got to the lane, I did stop.

627
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,960
I looked around and listened, and I started kind of

628
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:51,119
I'm walking fast, as fast as I could. I'm constantly

629
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:55,519
looking back. I'm hearing things, and I don't know if

630
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:58,039
it's just natural things or not. I'm on the verge

631
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:02,880
of panic and I'm holding it down. And the way

632
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:08,239
I do that is I just say, I just stay

633
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,760
in my mind. You know what, I'm just gonna do it,

634
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,199
no matter what happens. I'm just gonna push right through it.

635
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:21,719
So I get a certain distance and I'm already expecting this.

636
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,679
I hear something coming and it's coming from behind me

637
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,920
on the left, and it's not far into the woods,

638
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,440
and it's bringing up such a panic in me that's

639
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,800
gonna overwhelm me. I mean, I have the thirty at

640
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,480
six with four shots, but that ain't no good. I

641
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:43,159
mean even it's just not good. It's not good for

642
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:47,320
a cougar like and in these woods, it's not like

643
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,920
you can see it coming and line up your shot,

644
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:58,880
you know. And no, so once I could tell he

645
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,679
was paid me, and he was like directly alongside of

646
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,239
me to the left, and I was glancing in there,

647
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,000
but I really didn't want to see him. But I

648
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,960
really wanted to know. I need to know if he's coming,

649
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:16,840
I felt like, but I didn't want to see him.

650
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,559
Once he got alongside of me, I just I couldn't

651
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,239
do it anymore. I stopped and I started yelling at it,

652
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,079
and I can't think of everything I said, but I said, look,

653
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,559
I'm leaving. You don't need to come out on this lane.

654
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:38,360
I'm not going to shoot you. I'm going just leave

655
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,000
me alone. For don't come out onto this lane because

656
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,760
if you do, and I'm terrified, and I have a

657
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,039
rifle and safety's off, if you come right in front

658
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,639
of me onto this lane, I might shoot you. I

659
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:56,840
don't know, So just stop, like please, don't even pace me.

660
00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,360
Just let me out of here. I'll go. And I'm

661
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,760
saying it a lot louder than that, and tears are

662
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,480
in my eyes and my voice was shaking, so I

663
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,679
stopped yelling, and there was just silence. I didn't look

664
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,599
directly into the woods, and at some point I started

665
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,360
walking again, and I actually, even though I didn't hear

666
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,079
them coming, I did. At this one point, I did

667
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:29,119
start running, but not super fast, but I was getting

668
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:32,239
closer to the road and the where that gravel road

669
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,079
meant safety to me at least I was out in

670
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,440
the open, still had a quarter mile to walk back

671
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:44,639
to camp. Anyway, Yeah, I did start running, and then

672
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:50,159
I stopped myself, and I really don't think I hurt

673
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:55,760
him anymore after that. And once I could see the

674
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,159
daylight at the top of the ditch and my way

675
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:01,639
out and I was getting close, I just ran recklessly,

676
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,960
you know, feeling like it's right behind me. Am I

677
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,440
gonna get out? But yeah, I got up out there

678
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,880
and I looked back right away, and I didn't see nothing.

679
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:22,880
And I was out of breath the adrenaline, and my

680
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,800
legs were sore. But I started walking back to camp.

681
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,679
I didn't really think. I don't know. I did hear

682
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,159
some noises, but I just I literally didn't pay him

683
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:45,119
any mind. There was nothing super significant, and I just

684
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:53,159
had my rifle ready, I still had the safety off. Well, yeah,

685
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:57,239
nothing of what happened. I walked back to camp and

686
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,159
I went straight in, upped the steps and the door.

687
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:09,079
My dad's awake, and I start telling him what happened.

688
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,079
And I don't even really want to do that because

689
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:17,519
he's so obsessed with hunting, and I mean, he gets

690
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,239
mad at me if I don't get up and go

691
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,679
out and hunt, even though I'm thirty five years old.

692
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:29,159
But anyway, well, this is something that could mess with

693
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,840
his hunting, you know, if he would be scared to

694
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,480
go out there to go hunt because of this thing

695
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,480
or something. But anyway, I tell him, I ramble about

696
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:48,559
what happened, and I don't know he'd listened, and I

697
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:51,320
don't know if he actually believed me. We do talk

698
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:59,760
about these things, like the last summer, we did discuss

699
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:03,519
foot and dog man quite a bit. And you know

700
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:07,199
what's funny, vic, I didn't think of this, but two

701
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:15,360
years ago it was let me see here. Yeah, two

702
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,239
years ago, but it was summer. It wasn't deer season.

703
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,800
But I was up at camp with my dad a lot,

704
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,480
but I had went home. I went back to town

705
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,840
and it was like ten thirty at night and my

706
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,639
dad texted me and he said, I think I'd just

707
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:35,719
seen a dog man. And I mean, just not that

708
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,199
long ago. My dad never believed in any of this stuff,

709
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,920
not even aliens, ghosts, anything. And really, I think half

710
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,599
the time I was thinking, when we're talking about these things,

711
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,880
that he's just kind of doing it to entertain me.

712
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:56,280
Here's how he started. This is the only way he

713
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,280
can accept it and believe it. Yep, they're real, but

714
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,800
they're innered me. That's the only way. And he won't, like,

715
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,320
he won't accept anything less, Like even when I tell him, like,

716
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,480
you don't know that for one hundred percent, Well yeah

717
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:15,119
I do. I'm older. Yeah, Yeah, he's like that, you know,

718
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,039
he's like, no, that's your opinion. You don't know that.

719
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,960
Maybe some of them do, maybe they all do. I

720
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:27,800
don't know. But anyway, his opinion about that big wolf

721
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,960
was I don't know why, but he said that was

722
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,079
an angel. Well, he said maybe that was an angel,

723
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,880
and he thought about it and he kind of convinced

724
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,440
himself that that was an angel. He's like, Josh, you

725
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,159
can appear in any form, probably.

726
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,159
Speaker 1: You know.

727
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,159
Speaker 2: And I thought that was a decent theory of what

728
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,599
that was because I was really thinking about it, and

729
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,519
I that it looked like a normal wolf. Everything about

730
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:08,760
it was just extra huge and the sun like the

731
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,480
way the light head off of it in his colors.

732
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,679
But honestly, I can't remember. I was so shocked that

733
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:25,559
that was there. But anyway, yeah, I do believe that

734
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:31,920
wasn't that was some huge wolf maybe spirit creature. It

735
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,039
really did feel like a protector and maybe he was

736
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,960
there to help me out or something, because when that

737
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:42,320
dog man got up, he was mad. I thought he's

738
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,480
mad because I have my rifle aimed at basically the

739
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:52,719
deer for a long length at time, and finally he

740
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,000
gets mad, gets up, you know, and like swaps towards

741
00:54:57,079 --> 00:54:59,559
the deer and walks away like he's all mad because

742
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:04,280
he won't walk out in front of my gun and whatever.

743
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,679
That was the theory I had. He wanted the deer

744
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,800
but couldn't because of me, so he was going to

745
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:17,079
show himself to me and then whatever. But then again,

746
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:21,440
like my dad said, maybe that was an angel. Maybe

747
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,199
he couldn't hurt. He wasn't allowed to do anything. I

748
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:31,280
really don't know. Well, after I told my dad, you

749
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,280
know what happened. I mean, he's so serious about hunting,

750
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,719
he just kind of brushed it off. I knew I

751
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:44,320
couldn't talk to him, and I tried to, like one

752
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,199
more time later that night, and he had a couple

753
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,840
things he said, but he didn't really you know, he

754
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,760
didn't want me talking about it. He clearly wasn't interested.

755
00:55:56,519 --> 00:56:03,880
And after a few hours, like I wasn't traumatized, but

756
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:08,480
I needed to get it out and I needed to

757
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:15,920
talk to somebody. So I didn't do much that night,

758
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,559
and I was scared when it was time to you know,

759
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:27,960
lay down. I got that huge window there, but you

760
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,760
know that didn't happen. The only real thing is is

761
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:38,960
I realized this did something to me. I'm not sure

762
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:45,199
what I felt okay at camp, like decently enough where

763
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,119
I could stay. I'm not going to go back in

764
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:52,800
the woods. But you know, I felt okay with my

765
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,199
German shepherd dogs and my dad and being in the

766
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,280
camp unless one of them came up there to the

767
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:05,119
window and no. But that night, I just I was

768
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:10,679
laying down and I well, that's when I'm decided I

769
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,880
had to email you. I needed somebody that knew these

770
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:24,840
things were real, that could listen and really Vic. That's

771
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,039
pretty much the end of the story. But what I

772
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:33,440
will say is every time, well there is one more

773
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:37,000
thing that happened. But I noticed every time at night

774
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:40,840
I would let the dog out and I'd you know,

775
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,480
sit out there a minute. I always could hear movement

776
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:57,480
in the woods. Well it was let's see, spent five

777
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:04,960
days since the encounter. So yesterday last night I decided

778
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:10,159
to leave, and me and my dad got into an argument, actually,

779
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,000
and I just walked right out of the camp and

780
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,880
started walking down the road, like just to get away

781
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,920
from him, cause that was just the right thing to do.

782
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:26,239
And my dog came with me. Unfortunately, I mean, I'm

783
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:29,119
glad he did. But now, like that's the reason I

784
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:33,159
got to go back and all that. So I'm just walking.

785
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:35,840
I don't even have shoes on, like I didn't care,

786
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:42,119
like you know, I was just mad, sad, whatever it is, Like,

787
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,480
you know, I had this experience, and now you're gonna

788
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:49,079
yell at me and purposely mess things up for me,

789
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:53,480
and you know, and expect me to hunt and get

790
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:56,000
mad if I don't want to go back out there. No,

791
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,199
I had to leave. So I went walking down that

792
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,400
road in the complete blackness with my dog. I had

793
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,159
my phone, so I did turn that phone light on.

794
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:12,159
And as I'm walking and it's really silent, I can

795
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:16,320
hear good It's not long before I can hear things

796
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,760
moving in the woods that like aren't deer. But I

797
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,960
didn't even I can't even say it wasn't dear or

798
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,800
what it was, because I really didn't pay attention. I'm

799
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,599
walking fast and with my dog and I'm on a mission.

800
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:32,679
And since I didn't have my vehicle, I had to

801
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:36,559
call my mom for a ride. And I walked all

802
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:43,079
the way to the highway, which isn't that far, but

803
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,559
that's what I did. And then I just sat there

804
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:50,960
and held my dog's collar because we're close to the highway. Well,

805
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:56,199
as I'm sitting there and I have my phone light off,

806
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,679
I hear even know what does this or makes this noise?

807
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:06,880
I hear like a chittering. I would describe it as

808
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:12,199
some kind of like trying to think maybe like the

809
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:16,880
alien from Signs, but slightly different. A lot of people

810
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,719
will know that reference when the alien from Signs is

811
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:24,079
in the house and they make that noise. But also

812
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,760
it only did that once, I believe, well maybe twice.

813
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,119
But there was also clicking sounds, like little clicking sounds.

814
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:35,960
And when that happened, I knew I had heard that

815
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:39,480
before a couple times, but just faintly, and I didn't

816
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:45,480
know what it was. Well, then me and my dog, well,

817
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,559
we're sitting on the edge of the road and these

818
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:53,400
noises are coming from across the gravel road. We're on

819
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,960
the other side, sitting there. Well, all of a sudden,

820
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:01,199
on our side and there's a ditch and there's long grass.

821
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,599
Me and the dog both hear something that's in there.

822
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:10,079
There's definitely something in there, and my dog's locked onto it.

823
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:13,800
And I told them just never mind, just you know,

824
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:19,719
it's fine, But it wasn't fine. Really, because all at

825
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:23,599
once it was so close that I felt like it

826
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,079
was probably five feet away. I think I even seen

827
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:31,039
the grass move a bit, and the grass ain't that

828
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:34,679
tall tall, So immediately my thought is it's one of

829
01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:38,360
these things doing a belly crawl, spider crawl something, and

830
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,760
I'm like, oh my god, like and I just stayed there.

831
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:48,679
I I stood up. I think I moved more to

832
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,519
the middle of the road or just down a little bit,

833
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,280
because I know, I got right back down and just

834
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,639
held my dog and turned my light on, and you know,

835
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:06,119
just I was done running or anything like that, and

836
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:10,360
it didn't. I heard more movement and stuff, but it

837
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,320
didn't come out. I came right up to the edge

838
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:20,400
whatever it was, and that could have been a normal creature,

839
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,719
but to me, it just it wasn't. And I'm hearing

840
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:27,480
these weird sounds on the other side. So no, there's

841
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:30,280
I don't know what's changed around there, what's going on.

842
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,079
In twenty years of that camp, nothing like this has

843
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:40,159
ever happened, nothing, and not to anyone I know, nothing's

844
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:45,719
ever happened to any of us in the woods. But yeah,

845
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,639
that was the last thing that happened, and my ride

846
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:52,079
got there, me and my dog got in the truck,

847
01:02:52,920 --> 01:03:00,360
went and dropped the dog off and left and that's

848
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,480
pretty much the end of the encounter there with everything

849
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:06,119
I can think of that happened.

850
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:11,719
Speaker 1: Wow, Josh, it sure makes you wonder what's next.

851
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: It really does, Vic, because how is this out of nowhere?

852
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:20,639
And I think there's like sasquatch there too, And I

853
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,920
don't like, what's that shittering and clicking. I don't know

854
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,000
if dogmen do that, like maybe sasquatch. I don't really know.

855
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,400
It didn't sound like samurai chatter. But I don't know

856
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,400
what's going on. I don't know what to think. I

857
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,400
actually thought, am I losing my mind? But no, like

858
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:46,800
my dog like knows sees it. And I know I'm

859
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,800
not hallucinating, you know, It's just that's not what it is.

860
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:54,199
So yeah, I don't know, Vic, I really don't. I'm

861
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:55,519
exhausted mentally.

862
01:03:56,599 --> 01:03:59,119
Speaker 1: Oh I bet you are. Yeah, you've been through so

863
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,199
much in the past what five days now, that's just

864
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,280
too much, it really is, Josh. I've got a lot

865
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,159
of questions to ask you, but we're already well over

866
01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:11,400
an hour in. Would you be up for coming back

867
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,239
for a part two to do a Q and.

868
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:19,039
Speaker 2: A absolutely vic however you want to do it, Okay.

869
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,239
Speaker 1: Great, Well if that's the case, I'm going to get

870
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:23,440
with you to schedule that Q and A the part

871
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:26,159
two and what we'll do is we're going to air

872
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:26,840
that next week.

873
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: Then okay, that sounds good.

874
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: All right then, Josh, Well yeah, like I said, thanks

875
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,719
again so much for your time and have a great night.

876
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:43,960
We'll talk to you next week.

877
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:00,119
Speaker 2: No.

878
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:00,559
Speaker 1: No,