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Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hi Vic, great to be here. Really an honor. Never
thought i'd be talking to you, so I've always listened
to your show for the last few years, so yeah,
I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for listening with the honors all mine. We
appreciate you doing this. Josh, please give us a brief
bio in yourself.
Speaker 2: Well, I was born in the up Upper Michigan, and
when I was younger, I was into skateboarding for a
long time, got pretty good at it. But after that
I went through high school and all that. Pretty much,
I always stayed in town. So I live in Menominee County,
And if you were looking at a map of the
United States in Upper Michigan, Menominee County stretches down to
the southernmost point where it connects to Wisconsin, and it's
separated by the Monomine River, and the city I live
in is at that southernmost point of Upper Michigan. So
I've always I kind of grew up in a haunted house.
It wasn't terrible, but things did happen. As I was
seventeen eighteen nineteen, I noticed things, and when I brought
it to my mom's attention, she told me about stuff
that had happened to her but didn't want to scare me.
So that was kind of my introduction into the paranormal.
I'm not in that house anymore, but I got into that,
dabbled a little bit with trying to get interactions from spirits,
and eventually it kind of moved to cryptids just sasquatch. Really,
I'm not sure exactly how it happened. I think I
just heard, Yeah, I think I just heard a podcast
and the person was so believable, and I heard this
Sierra sounds and all that. So I'm very familiar with
cryptids and the dog man thing. And nowadays, you know,
I'm still here, same town. I help my mom's boyfriend
once in a while, who's the carpenter build houses stuff
like that. We have one possibly coming up, and I
guess that's about it. I love fishing. I hunt every
year since I was twelve, but I'm really more of
a fisherman, and that's kind of my passion, along with
animals and mainly reptiles. I'd say that describes me pretty good.
Speaker 1: Just a bit ago, you said you know about cryptids. Now, yeah,
i'd say you do after that dog mean encounter you have.
But of course we're going to get into that. And
speaking of that, from what I understand, someone close to
you told me about me and what I do, Please
expand on.
Speaker 2: That for us. Right. So, me and my mom always
when I was younger, and when we lived in that house,
we would actually watch haunted shows and she still does
to this day. And I always you know, I got
into the Sasquatch thing, and you know, watch Sasquatch Chronicles
and just my favorite thing, well, my favorite way to
watch was listening to the actual person telling their encounter.
That's what made me a believer, even though I had
never seen one anything like that. While my mom brought
to my attention about dog Man and you got to
hear the Kundiff Show, and I knew a dog man
at this point, but I just hadn't looked into it.
I wasn't too sure, but I did see a show
I forget. It might have been like these woods are
Haunted or something like that, where a guy had an
encounter with one that stood up. He was outside his
truck and he stopped by a swamp and he said
when it stood up, he could hear like the joints
popping and stuff, and so I did kind of think, yeah,
they might be real or it's something. But anyway, there
was a show which she wanted me to listen to,
or she picked one for me. I was like, oh, well,
all right, you know, and gave it a try, and
then since then it just rolled forward like every episode
you and other people, uh, because I realized it was
just like sasquatch. Like these people, these that do podcasts
have hundreds of episodes, and you know, they all sound
believable that these encounters happened. So that was enough for
me to know these things are out there as much
as you could know without actually seeing one. And she's
actually she stumbled across you just on YouTube, probably because
she watched go stuff or some Sasquatch stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm glad she found out about me and let you
know about me as well. I'm wondering, though, how long
ago did she tell you.
Speaker 2: About me, Well, I want to say about four years
or going on four years, but definitely three.
Speaker 1: So it's been a while then, Yep.
Speaker 2: It's been a while, a lot of episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say it must have been.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a nightly thing for me. When I settled down,
I put on, you know, a cryptid podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, like I told you before, I'm so glad you
found out about me and what I do you know
about the show, and it sounds like it's been at
least somewhat helpful for you, So thank goodness for that.
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't even know that it is. Like, I
really believe this is important that people need to know
at least know these things are out there and have
that prepared in your mind so that if something does happen,
you at least know what it is and you have
some information to go off of. I feel so terrible
for people that have no clue that these things exist
and then they run into one face to face something
like that. I can only imagine the terror and they
get real like PTSD from it, nightmares and everything. In fact,
I can only imagine. So I'm glad I was a
little prepared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank goodness for that. Yeah, it definitely helps you
knowing about them before you have that encounter. And speaking
to that encounter, the encounter happened on the fifteenth of
this month, that's just five days ago. Where in Michigan
did that encounter happen?
Speaker 2: Okay, so the encounter happened in trying to think, I
think it's still considered Menominee County, but it's about fourteen
miles north of the city of Menominee, Michigan. And it's
just that there's a dead end road gravel road, so
maybe about a mile and a half long. And my
dad and grandpa in nineteen ninety or ninety one bought
forty acres there. It's a cedar swamp and built the camp.
Built the camp in nineteen ninety one for the purpose
of deer hunting. And that's why I was there on
the fifteenth opening morning when it happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a heck of a way to open the season.
It happened less than a week ago. How much trouble
are you having wrapping your mind around the fact that
you actually had a dog meaning encounter.
Speaker 2: It's really only starting to set in more and more
because even though, like, I really believed these creatures are real,
and I don't know what they are and all this,
I believe they existed. Whatever they are. You know, you're
walking in the woods or whatever, you still you know,
kind of feel like you can't picture it really happening.
So seeing what I saw was very startling. I was shaking.
I was looking through the scope. I popped my head
up too to you know, make sure, but I mean,
he wasn't that far away, and then I didn't even
have the scope powered up. I just never thought this
would happen to me. The most I ever thought is
I think about sasquatch so much and all that that
maybe one day I'll have an encounter. But I'd never
once have I gone out looking for cryptids in any
way because of the stories you hear, even with sasquatch
like it changes you, it can terrify you, ruin some
people's lives. So I kind of decided, like, I don't
want to go looking for them.
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, sometimes they find you. If you've had a
dog Mean encounter, I would like to speak with me
about it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please
go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. All right, Josh,
please tell us about your encounter. Now give us every
last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Okay. So it was November fifteenth when it happened, but
me and my dad always go up to camp on
the fourteenth, so we're at camp for opening morning. So
on the fourteenth he had to work that day. It
was a Friday, and he was picking me up at four,
which he did, and I recently I don't have my
truck anymore. All I have is my hardy, but he
likes picking me up anyway because he's really into hunting
and that way he probably feels like I'm kind of
stuck up there and stuff and I can't just go leaving.
But anyway, he picked me up at four and we
drove up there just like always, unpacked all the food.
We had our black German shepherd dog named Bear with us.
He's about four years old, and my dad had recently
just got a new German Shepherd puppy and like three
weeks ago or so, and this was my first time
seeing him and him his name's Gunner. So we're on
our way to camp. We get there on load, everything
get settled, and that night, you know, was nothing much
going on. We made some supper, had a couple of beers,
while I only had one that I didn't finish. But really,
I mean, he just wanted to get to bed early
and he did. And the camp is like one big room,
like a living room and a kitchen area, but it's
just one big room, and then there's a bedroom and
it has room for like four beds. There's four beds
in there, and there's two doors that lead to that,
so there's really no privacy in it. But he always
sleeps in the bedroom and I stay in the living room,
and I usually sleep on the floor because with the woodstove,
he keeps it really hot. It's usually no less than
eighty degrees and like dry heat. So that's where I slept.
And there's a huge bay window right there that you
can see into the backyard, which it's a smaller backyard,
it's maybe thirty yards, and then you can just see
Cedar swamp. But my dad cut lanes, so there's a
three hundred yard long lane directly behind the camp in
the backyard, and then a little to the left there's
another lane that's been there since day one. And the
reason for that is if you're going to hunt in
a cedar swamp, you have to cut lanes. And we're
allowed to bate in Michigan, at least up here in
our area. You would never shoot one without them lanes,
and you generally have a blind that you sit in
so you know. And we have a flood light out
there that lights up the whole yard and into the
lane a little bit. But I just watched a little
TV or on my phone and casually or glance out
the window see if anything's there. But nothing of happened. Besides,
I didn't get much sleep because the puppy kept bugging
me and he was drinking a lot of water and
I had to let them out a whole lot. But
I did manage to get about three hours of sleep.
And it was four thirty in the morning. I was
already awake. I had my alarm set for five am.
And my dad got up and went outside to go
to the bathroom. We don't have running water. It's a camp,
you know. So when he came back in, I told him, okay, Dad,
half hour, I'll you know, I'll get you back up.
He said, okay, And the plan was I was going
to go to the blind and he was gonna hunt
at the camp. Now, our camp sits on the let
me see here, our camp sits on like the southeast
of the forty. And for people that don't know, like
if you picture forty acres, is just a square well
in the bottom right hand corner, that's where the camp is.
And it's right next to the gravel dead end road
as well. Now the blind that's been there since day one,
that my dad built, and if you're picturing that square
now the blind would be more like at the top
left of the forty. So I have to walk four
hundred yards down the gravel road and then turn north
into the woods and almost walk another three hundred and
fifty yards or so, because forty acres, if you walk
across it, it's four hundred and forty yards. So he
didn't get back up, So I just got ready and
got all my stuff on. It was supposed to be
like unseasonably warm, possibly up to sixty and it was
pretty warmal decent when I got outside. But I just
put on my camouflage pants and jacket, you know, orange vest,
and I had a backpack with a couple things. But anyway,
I grabbed my rifle and the shells, and once I
walked out the door and shut it, I realized it
was very foggy out. And I always load my gun
when I get outside of the camp. I have a
thirty odd six. It's a weather be thirty odd six
with a pretty nice Nikon scope with bullet drop compensation.
So I was using fusion core shells for the thirty
odd six. I believe they're one hundred and fifty grain.
Don't quote me on it, though, but I put four.
I loaded four into it. It's a bolt action rifle,
and I had three spare ones in my jacket pocket.
And I left from there and began to walk down
the road. Now it's still dark out. I have a
head lamp, but it was very foggy out. But I
finally nothing of know what happened on the walk really
that I can think of. And I don't do the
morning hunts too often where because you want to be
in the blind when it's still dark, so that you're
already there the animals have settled down, and when it
gets light out, you know there might be deer there
at your bait pile. But these woods have always made
me a little nervous. I usually did the night hunt,
and you stay until it's dark and then you got
to walk out. And you know, I got almost a
quarter mile to walk out. I've always been a little nervous,
but nothing has ever happened, never even heard anything. So
I get there to the lane that leads to the blind.
And when I say lane, I mean it's maybe I
don't know, maybe six seven foot wide, I'm not sure,
but it's not just it's a straight shot basically, But
it's a cedar swamp, so there's stumps, there's puddles, there's
up and downs, there's gnoles, and you got a million
cedar trees because it is a cedar swamp, and there's
other trees and stuff mixed in, so on either side
of you. You really can't see in there unless you're
at a spot where there just happens to be not
as much, you know, and especially when it's dark. So
it's already a bit of a spooky forest as far
as forests, goal like, that's the type of woods that's
the spookiest for me anyway. But you know, I get
there to the blind and this blind's been there forever.
A new one needs to be built or something. But
you got a there's a wooden door and it's hard
to open and it makes noise and I'm trying to
be quiet, and it's you got to like squeeze in there,
like I'm only five foot seven or eight, and I
have to duck. And then there's a chair right away,
so you got to kind of duck in there and
get around to that chair. And you know, I took
the backpack off and I actually, yeah, I was warm.
I unziped my jacket and then I'll explain the blind.
There's three lanes, but there's only one main one with bait,
and that one's right in front of me, facing to
the north, and it's probably well, really it's like two
hundred yards long, but it hasn't been maintained this year,
so you can't see as far. So where the corn is.
The bait is really maybe fifty yards away and then
maybe sixty, but my dad did say he put it
a little closer than normal. So that's the main lane
that I'm looking down, and I have like a push
in you know, where I rest the rifle out the window.
It's not really a window, it's just a cutout so
you can see and then to my left, there's a
really long lane, maybe three hundred yards, and then of
course there's the lane you walked in on and them
other two lanes. I just glanced at him, and rarely
do I see a deer in all the years. My
dad shot one buck down the lane you walk in on,
and it's such a hard shot to maneuver over there
and everything. So anyway, I get there, it's not foggy anymore,
at least in the woods, it wasn't foggy, and it's dark,
and I got my rifle up there, and you can't
really see much at all, and I'm just waiting and
slowly getting light out. Slowly I can kind of see
down the lay and it looks like there's, you know,
a deer there, but I can't be sure. It's just
not it's not light enough out yet. Now. One thing
I didn't mention yet is I'm already hearing movement as
soon as I'm in the blind and settled, and I
assume it's deer, but I eventually also was hearing some
other kind of movement or like stomping sounds, and it's
getting lighter and lighter, and if there were deer down there,
they went further and I couldn't really determine. But once
it was light enough out, I didn't see the deer
walk out. I just noticed it was there, and that
does happen in this swamp sometimes because their camouflage is
so good. I noticed there was a dough there, and
immediately I can tell she cocks her head and she
hears the whatever's walking. Now, generally this is a good
sign because the bucks are in rut. So really you
want the does at your bait pile, and you're hoping
that a buck will come there for her, and then
you know you can get them, and so you really
take the cues off of the dough. And I could
hear it walking anyway, which normally you don't, or you
don't until the last second, normally just all of a sudden,
silently see the horns coming out. But anyway, she's watching
and has her ears perked, and I'm looking through my
scope the whole time because I bigger bucks. They're hey,
don't always give you much of a chance, and you
only got that one lane. They might only stick their
neck out for a second and then turn around, so
you got to be ready. So I had the safety
off and looking through the scope. Now it seemed like
I can hear this walking the whole time in some
other movement, but I'm not really paying too much attention.
I'm just hoping this is probably a buck coming. Well,
it seemed like it got to where, okay, I'm going
to see it any second, but I didn't. And more
minutes go by, so I don't really know what it
was doing or what it even was. But it felt
like twenty minutes, but I'd say it was probably more
like ten. And this is where something happens that it's
a little hard to talk about because it's it sounds
a little unbelievable. But out of nowhere, this giant wolf
kind of just his steps out or leaps out onto
the lane in front of that dough blocking her, and
he's perfectly in the lane. And of course I'm looking
at him broadside, and I mean, it does look like
a wolf, but it's so unbelievably huge. Vic I cannot
stress enough. I my very first thought was it's a
dog man, just because of the size. And it's close.
I can I lifted up my head, I can see
it perfectly. It's I don't know, it is huge and
it's not doing anything, ending perfectly still not looking at me.
I was really nervous that it was going to turn
its head towards me. But at the same time, I'm
kind of entranced by it, Like it don't look like
some evil creature. And it had different colors in it,
not really the colors of a gray wolf or a
timber wolf, but well it had them colors, but it
had more and different like patches, and I don't know,
like its hair, like I know, like deer hair is hollow,
I believe, And I was thinking because it was kind
of like it had little you know, it was kind
of shimmering almost. It didn't look like a spirit, but
just at the tips of its hairs, the sunlight or
something was bouncing off of it. So as I'm looking
at it, which it seems like forever, I'm starting to think, like,
this isn't like some evil creature. I don't even think
it's a dog man. If anything, it seemed like a guardian,
like maybe it was there to help or something. I
don't know. But before it left, it went to like
turn its head, and as it did that, I slightly
looked away, and then it went off. It was gone,
and the first thing I did was let me see here. Yeah,
I had well, I got my phone out because I
accidentally took both walkie talkies. Normally there's one at camp
and one with me in the blind. I had a
walkie talkie already in my backpack, and here I grabbed
the one off of the table. So I look my phone.
It's at two percent. I called him and tried to explain,
and I know it's gonna sound stupid to him, and
he asked me some question about like what it looked
like and stuff, and he's like, yeah, Josh, that's a
you know, that's a gray wolf. I was like, Dad,
you do not understand. I know wolves can get big.
I've seen Arctic wolves, you know, but this is like
at least as tall as a horse and longer. It's
just huge, massive. It's not it's not a normal wolf.
So my phone dies and he was sleeping when I called, anyway,
but my phone died, and so I'm kind of on
my own here. I don't have any way of contact,
and I didn't know I kind of I did say
to my dad before we hung up, as I said,
you might have to come get me, because I didn't
want to walk out of there alone. I at least
wanted him to take the truck down to the lane,
but he didn't do that, so I didn't know if
he was coming or not. Anyway, after I sat there
for a little bit, I started to feel better. I
didn't get any bad feeling from it, really, and it's
gone now, and I just decided, well, I'm just going
to stay here and actually hunt. I might not shoot anything,
but I'm going to stay here. I didn't want to
walk out yet, but I wasn't too terrified. I was
more shocked. And you know, I don't know what to
make of that. I've heard a few stories of these
extra mega large wolves, sightings of them. What they are,
if it's I don't know what it is. I really don't.
Probably nobody does. But anyway, after maybe ten minutes or so,
I noticed that dough is there again, or it's still there,
or maybe it's a different dough, but it really just looked,
you know, it was in the same spot kind of.
So that kind of surprised me because I you know,
I kind of thought like it did that to get
the dough or whatever, at least for a second. But anyway,
the dough's there, I'm watching, I'm looking to my right,
I'm looking to my left because I'm hearing things. One
of the things I remember hearing, besides unidentified movement that
didn't sound like deer, I heard a metallic sound, which
there is other people hunting not that far from me,
like to the west, but it came it didn't seem
like it came from that way, and it was just
weird mixed in with everything. And I also heard what
may have been like a tree knock, probably not. It
was like some kind of thudding. But anyway, as this
is happening, while I'm hearing footsteps, there is like it
sounds like a big foot's coming, I guess, is what
I'm thinking. Maybe. But what's really unnerving me now is
every once in a while, the whole blind is like vibrating,
and I can feel it in my feet and up
in my legs, like it would vibrate really good for
a good five seconds, I'd say at least three or four. Yeah,
I'm more like five. And I didn't know what's doing that.
That's never happened to me. I've been there in all
kinds of weather. The footsteps were loud, but you know,
further away. I just figured there's no way that's what's
doing this. And it happened a good at least three times,
three for sure, maybe four intermittently well, and it stopped.
And I'm still hearing things like multiple just movement and stuff.
Some sound like deer, some sound like something on two
feet heavy. Anyway, I'm looking through my scope at this
doll and all of a sudden, and this is maybe,
let me think, maybe thirty forty minutes since yeah, at
least that long, since the wolf thing right to the
side of this deer. The deer's in like in the
middle of the lane, and this thing, it's well closer
to me than the deer. But I don't know what
it did. But it stood up. I don't know if
it was on its belly, but to me, and I
was looking through my scope when I seen it happen.
To me, it was like it came from nothing and
it just went up and formed really quickly into the
shape of an upright caneine. I knew immediately that this
is a dog man and I just can't believe this.
I mean, first that and then that's like what is
going on, and it's all black and it's facing away
from me. It's close, it's thirty yards maybe, I don't know.
It took me about it didn't move right away, but
pretty quickly. I lifted my head up once and looked,
and I could see it, and I put it back
down immediately because I wanted it in the scope. I
had no plans of shooting it anyway. It was as
soon as I did that, like two seconds. I'm now shaking,
and because I've heard too many encounters where they really
try to terrify people, it seems, so I'm shaking as
I'm holding the rifle up and I'm actually saying out
loud to myself like please, like do not turn around,
and my voice is shaking like that, just don't look
at me. Because actually, when he stood up like that,
he kind of was slightly broadside for a second, and
I seen like his snout and maybe part of his eye,
I don't know, but immediately I knew he was mad.
He just you could tell. He started walking away from me,
and he stayed on the right side of the lane,
not in the woods, just on the very edge of
the lane. I can see his whole body and he's black.
He's got them pointy ears. He's not super tall. He
might be six feet maybe six and a half, probably
six and a half. I'd say he's all black. He
is very tone. You can see his in his arms
and shoulders. Looking at him from the back, you can
see he's he's got muscles. You can see the individual muscles.
But he didn't have like some huge guns for arms,
but they were honed in shape. He was cut and
as from the shoulders down, he kind of he kind
of had that V shape a little bit, but not
too much. But I did notice he didn't have this
didn't have a tail. But unless he had it tucked
up under him, I've heard maybe they do that. It
wasn't one of the ones I've heard of that have
like human like legs or bigfoot type legs like, No,
he had like canine back legs. Well he's as he's walking,
I mean, he's really walking with a leg. He pissed off,
really moving his arms, kind of stomping, and when he
gets near that dough, I don't know why, but he
took his right arm and he stretched it way back
and then he swung it right at her, but it
didn't hit her. I don't believe but I thought it like,
I really don't know, but I don't think so. And
when he did that and came around, I could see
like the palm of his hand, and I could see
his like long fingers and he had long claws. I
can't seem to remember the color, but you know exactly
what people describe. So when he did that, before he
continued on, he turned his head back and looked at
me quick like. He did that and then looked at
me and he looked very mad angry. I don't know
if he's evil. I didn't get like, I didn't really
get an evil feeling, and I'm kind of sensitive. There
wasn't no I was terrified, but just because of him.
So I'm not sure if he was evil. But I
mean seeing that face for that split second and I
did kind of look away, and he did turn right
back around. I mean the expression on his face, like
an animal just can't do that. And you know, like
I said, that was the one thing I didn't want
him to do. But thank god he turned around and
kept going. But I did see that he had a
snout like a dog, but it wasn't super long. This
wasn't like where people say it looked like a German shepherd.
It really didn't. It looked like a I don't know,
a medium snout, not super long, and maybe like kind
of crooked or messed up, you know, not like perfect.
He did look pretty wicked, honestly, and just you get
you and tell him like it's an intelligent thing, but
that's supposed to be like an animal. And I know
all this stuff. So that really did help. And that's
why I think these shows are important, Like people need
to know this. Do they attack people. I think it happens,
but probably not very often. I think bears attack people
more often. But there needs to be some preparation in
your mind. Because this helped me. It really did. Like
I'm not that brave. I do get scared in the
dark a little bit, but I can hold it together.
But of course this terrified me. Well, he continued to
walk down the lane few more steps, and I don't
know how he did this, and I don't even know
because it took no effort. He he didn't like get
a running start to really crouch down. He just all
at once pounced up and landed on a decent sized
cedar tree that I can see. It's on the left
side of my lane. I can see basically the whole tree.
I mean, he had to have jumped like twenty feet
I would say, I'll say fifteen to be safe. I'm
really not sure, but at least fifteen, probably more like twenty.
And he clung to that tree, but he also launched
off it, like he clung to it and pounced off it.
So he jumped to this tree that's on the left
of my lane. When he pounces off, now he's going
back to the right, but also up higher, and he
lands on an overhanging limb way up high that goes
across the middle of my lane. But it's pretty far
back there, not sure how many yards, but it's not
a very big limb. But that's what he landed on.
And he landed perfectly. I didn't hear any noise. I
don't know. But as soon as he landed on that limb,
he went down on his belly, took both his front
arms and his back legs, wrapped them around underneath that branch,
and all of a sudden, he's just you would never
know that that was not like just a burrel or
something on the tree. He made himself as small as
possible and he's so black. No matter what I did
with the scupe power it up to ten nine whatever,
you can't tell where his head is anymore, you know,
all I kept the scope on him, I'm not taking
it off.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think because he's not moving at all.
I'm trying to think what I'm going to do, and
I know my phone's dead. After about it seemed like
I watched him for twenty minutes. That's what I kind
of called it, but really it probably was more like
twelve or something. I'm not sure. But after a few
minutes of watching him and he's not moving, and I'm
not taking my eye off him because in my head
from what I've heard and stuff, I feel like if
I take my eye off him, when I look back,
he won't be there. So anyway, what I decided to do,
even though my phone's dead, is I'm going to try
to turn it on and call my dad immediately and
just get the message. Come get me with the rifle down,
you know, meet me on the lane to the blind.
I'll keep an eye on this thing. Whatever I can say,
And I actually got through it stayed, it didn't die
right away. I'm trying to think of what I said
to him. Jeez, he was sleeping too, And it died
so quick, and I just rambled, Dad, there's there's an
actual dog man. It's a black one and it's not
like that wolf. This is not a wolf, and you know,
and then like it died so and he didn't come.
I don't know if he was gonna he would have
eventually anyway. I don't know if other noises were still
going on. I'm so focused on this thing ever since
I seen it. Well, I do remember I did look
away from a once, but I went back to the
scope and yeah, he was still there. So I start
kind of thinking about, like, I I gotta get out
of here. I can't handle it anymore. I gotta get out.
But I realized, like I have to get out, but
I can't panic. I can't run in my swamp boots
down this lane. It's not even you just can't do it.
And if I tried it, I would fall, Like it
just be a bad idea. And I got to carry
the rifle too, and I didn't have my Oh, I
didn't have my strap, so I couldn't even put it
over my shoulder. Well, I started kind of amping myself
up like talking and myself into it, not out loud,
but thinking things like, you know what, I'm just gonna
leave these are my woods, Like I'm not scared. I'm
just gonna do it. No matter what happens, I'm gonna
do it. I'm gonna walk and I'm going right now.
And I'm not even gonna be quiet opening the door
because it's too hard. I'm just gonna do it quick.
So one last looking them. I have trouble getting around
the chair and out the door. It's loud, and I
stumble around the side of the blind to get on
the lane, and I've made a lot of noise. And
I'm really worried now because just that time I took
I know, he could have probably already been basically to me.
So once I got to the lane, I did stop.
I looked around and listened, and I started kind of
I'm walking fast, as fast as I could. I'm constantly
looking back. I'm hearing things, and I don't know if
it's just natural things or not. I'm on the verge
of panic and I'm holding it down. And the way
I do that is I just say, I just stay
in my mind. You know what, I'm just gonna do it,
no matter what happens. I'm just gonna push right through it.
So I get a certain distance and I'm already expecting this.
I hear something coming and it's coming from behind me
on the left, and it's not far into the woods,
and it's bringing up such a panic in me that's
gonna overwhelm me. I mean, I have the thirty at
six with four shots, but that ain't no good. I
mean even it's just not good. It's not good for
a cougar like and in these woods, it's not like
you can see it coming and line up your shot,
you know. And no, so once I could tell he
was paid me, and he was like directly alongside of
me to the left, and I was glancing in there,
but I really didn't want to see him. But I
really wanted to know. I need to know if he's coming,
I felt like, but I didn't want to see him.
Once he got alongside of me, I just I couldn't
do it anymore. I stopped and I started yelling at it,
and I can't think of everything I said, but I said, look,
I'm leaving. You don't need to come out on this lane.
I'm not going to shoot you. I'm going just leave
me alone. For don't come out onto this lane because
if you do, and I'm terrified, and I have a
rifle and safety's off, if you come right in front
of me onto this lane, I might shoot you. I
don't know, So just stop, like please, don't even pace me.
Just let me out of here. I'll go. And I'm
saying it a lot louder than that, and tears are
in my eyes and my voice was shaking, so I
stopped yelling, and there was just silence. I didn't look
directly into the woods, and at some point I started
walking again, and I actually, even though I didn't hear
them coming, I did. At this one point, I did
start running, but not super fast, but I was getting
closer to the road and the where that gravel road
meant safety to me at least I was out in
the open, still had a quarter mile to walk back
to camp. Anyway, Yeah, I did start running, and then
I stopped myself, and I really don't think I hurt
him anymore after that. And once I could see the
daylight at the top of the ditch and my way
out and I was getting close, I just ran recklessly,
you know, feeling like it's right behind me. Am I
gonna get out? But yeah, I got up out there
and I looked back right away, and I didn't see nothing.
And I was out of breath the adrenaline, and my
legs were sore. But I started walking back to camp.
I didn't really think. I don't know. I did hear
some noises, but I just I literally didn't pay him
any mind. There was nothing super significant, and I just
had my rifle ready, I still had the safety off. Well, yeah,
nothing of what happened. I walked back to camp and
I went straight in, upped the steps and the door.
My dad's awake, and I start telling him what happened.
And I don't even really want to do that because
he's so obsessed with hunting, and I mean, he gets
mad at me if I don't get up and go
out and hunt, even though I'm thirty five years old.
But anyway, well, this is something that could mess with
his hunting, you know, if he would be scared to
go out there to go hunt because of this thing
or something. But anyway, I tell him, I ramble about
what happened, and I don't know he'd listened, and I
don't know if he actually believed me. We do talk
about these things, like the last summer, we did discuss
foot and dog man quite a bit. And you know
what's funny, vic, I didn't think of this, but two
years ago it was let me see here. Yeah, two
years ago, but it was summer. It wasn't deer season.
But I was up at camp with my dad a lot,
but I had went home. I went back to town
and it was like ten thirty at night and my
dad texted me and he said, I think I'd just
seen a dog man. And I mean, just not that
long ago. My dad never believed in any of this stuff,
not even aliens, ghosts, anything. And really, I think half
the time I was thinking, when we're talking about these things,
that he's just kind of doing it to entertain me.
Here's how he started. This is the only way he
can accept it and believe it. Yep, they're real, but
they're innered me. That's the only way. And he won't, like,
he won't accept anything less, Like even when I tell him, like,
you don't know that for one hundred percent, Well yeah
I do. I'm older. Yeah, Yeah, he's like that, you know,
he's like, no, that's your opinion. You don't know that.
Maybe some of them do, maybe they all do. I
don't know. But anyway, his opinion about that big wolf
was I don't know why, but he said that was
an angel. Well, he said maybe that was an angel,
and he thought about it and he kind of convinced
himself that that was an angel. He's like, Josh, you
can appear in any form, probably.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And I thought that was a decent theory of what
that was because I was really thinking about it, and
I that it looked like a normal wolf. Everything about
it was just extra huge and the sun like the
way the light head off of it in his colors.
But honestly, I can't remember. I was so shocked that
that was there. But anyway, yeah, I do believe that
wasn't that was some huge wolf maybe spirit creature. It
really did feel like a protector and maybe he was
there to help me out or something, because when that
dog man got up, he was mad. I thought he's
mad because I have my rifle aimed at basically the
deer for a long length at time, and finally he
gets mad, gets up, you know, and like swaps towards
the deer and walks away like he's all mad because
he won't walk out in front of my gun and whatever.
That was the theory I had. He wanted the deer
but couldn't because of me, so he was going to
show himself to me and then whatever. But then again,
like my dad said, maybe that was an angel. Maybe
he couldn't hurt. He wasn't allowed to do anything. I
really don't know. Well, after I told my dad, you
know what happened. I mean, he's so serious about hunting,
he just kind of brushed it off. I knew I
couldn't talk to him, and I tried to, like one
more time later that night, and he had a couple
things he said, but he didn't really you know, he
didn't want me talking about it. He clearly wasn't interested.
And after a few hours, like I wasn't traumatized, but
I needed to get it out and I needed to
talk to somebody. So I didn't do much that night,
and I was scared when it was time to you know,
lay down. I got that huge window there, but you
know that didn't happen. The only real thing is is
I realized this did something to me. I'm not sure
what I felt okay at camp, like decently enough where
I could stay. I'm not going to go back in
the woods. But you know, I felt okay with my
German shepherd dogs and my dad and being in the
camp unless one of them came up there to the
window and no. But that night, I just I was
laying down and I well, that's when I'm decided I
had to email you. I needed somebody that knew these
things were real, that could listen and really Vic. That's
pretty much the end of the story. But what I
will say is every time, well there is one more
thing that happened. But I noticed every time at night
I would let the dog out and I'd you know,
sit out there a minute. I always could hear movement
in the woods. Well it was let's see, spent five
days since the encounter. So yesterday last night I decided
to leave, and me and my dad got into an argument, actually,
and I just walked right out of the camp and
started walking down the road, like just to get away
from him, cause that was just the right thing to do.
And my dog came with me. Unfortunately, I mean, I'm
glad he did. But now, like that's the reason I
got to go back and all that. So I'm just walking.
I don't even have shoes on, like I didn't care,
like you know, I was just mad, sad, whatever it is, Like,
you know, I had this experience, and now you're gonna
yell at me and purposely mess things up for me,
and you know, and expect me to hunt and get
mad if I don't want to go back out there. No,
I had to leave. So I went walking down that
road in the complete blackness with my dog. I had
my phone, so I did turn that phone light on.
And as I'm walking and it's really silent, I can
hear good It's not long before I can hear things
moving in the woods that like aren't deer. But I
didn't even I can't even say it wasn't dear or
what it was, because I really didn't pay attention. I'm
walking fast and with my dog and I'm on a mission.
And since I didn't have my vehicle, I had to
call my mom for a ride. And I walked all
the way to the highway, which isn't that far, but
that's what I did. And then I just sat there
and held my dog's collar because we're close to the highway. Well,
as I'm sitting there and I have my phone light off,
I hear even know what does this or makes this noise?
I hear like a chittering. I would describe it as
some kind of like trying to think maybe like the
alien from Signs, but slightly different. A lot of people
will know that reference when the alien from Signs is
in the house and they make that noise. But also
it only did that once, I believe, well maybe twice.
But there was also clicking sounds, like little clicking sounds.
And when that happened, I knew I had heard that
before a couple times, but just faintly, and I didn't
know what it was. Well, then me and my dog, well,
we're sitting on the edge of the road and these
noises are coming from across the gravel road. We're on
the other side, sitting there. Well, all of a sudden,
on our side and there's a ditch and there's long grass.
Me and the dog both hear something that's in there.
There's definitely something in there, and my dog's locked onto it.
And I told them just never mind, just you know,
it's fine, But it wasn't fine. Really, because all at
once it was so close that I felt like it
was probably five feet away. I think I even seen
the grass move a bit, and the grass ain't that
tall tall, So immediately my thought is it's one of
these things doing a belly crawl, spider crawl something, and
I'm like, oh my god, like and I just stayed there.
I I stood up. I think I moved more to
the middle of the road or just down a little bit,
because I know, I got right back down and just
held my dog and turned my light on, and you know,
just I was done running or anything like that, and
it didn't. I heard more movement and stuff, but it
didn't come out. I came right up to the edge
whatever it was, and that could have been a normal creature,
but to me, it just it wasn't. And I'm hearing
these weird sounds on the other side. So no, there's
I don't know what's changed around there, what's going on.
In twenty years of that camp, nothing like this has
ever happened, nothing, and not to anyone I know, nothing's
ever happened to any of us in the woods. But yeah,
that was the last thing that happened, and my ride
got there, me and my dog got in the truck,
went and dropped the dog off and left and that's
pretty much the end of the encounter there with everything
I can think of that happened.
Speaker 1: Wow, Josh, it sure makes you wonder what's next.
Speaker 2: It really does, Vic, because how is this out of nowhere?
And I think there's like sasquatch there too, And I
don't like, what's that shittering and clicking. I don't know
if dogmen do that, like maybe sasquatch. I don't really know.
It didn't sound like samurai chatter. But I don't know
what's going on. I don't know what to think. I
actually thought, am I losing my mind? But no, like
my dog like knows sees it. And I know I'm
not hallucinating, you know, It's just that's not what it is.
So yeah, I don't know, Vic, I really don't. I'm
exhausted mentally.
Speaker 1: Oh I bet you are. Yeah, you've been through so
much in the past what five days now, that's just
too much, it really is, Josh. I've got a lot
of questions to ask you, but we're already well over
an hour in. Would you be up for coming back
for a part two to do a Q and.
Speaker 2: A absolutely vic however you want to do it, Okay.
Speaker 1: Great, Well if that's the case, I'm going to get
with you to schedule that Q and A the part
two and what we'll do is we're going to air
that next week.
Speaker 2: Then okay, that sounds good.
Speaker 1: All right then, Josh, Well yeah, like I said, thanks
again so much for your time and have a great night.
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No,