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<v Speaker 1>Mac versus wild. We have three competitors who could be

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<v Speaker 1>going up against you. You are in one corner. In

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<v Speaker 1>the other corner of the coliseum, Mac, would you rather

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<v Speaker 1>see a big teethed monkey, a rhino or sharks?

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<v Speaker 2>So for sure not the rhino. Let's rule the rhino

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<v Speaker 2>in really yeah, for sure not the rhino. That thing

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<v Speaker 2>would fucking you've got. There's a zero percent chance you

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<v Speaker 2>can beat a rhino.

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<v Speaker 1>I step in, May I step in. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>rhino is the dumbest and clumsiest. I might take the

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<v Speaker 1>rhino use my agility.

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<v Speaker 2>You would be dead in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>All I had to do was throw sand in its

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<v Speaker 1>face stand attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. The sharks is interesting because like, if you fall

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<v Speaker 2>into the water, you're not gonna win, but maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>could poach it from above. I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel great about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, are we also saying what the shark? That someone

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<v Speaker 1>else is attacking you from on land and you could

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<v Speaker 1>be knocked into the water. So it's a second obstacle.

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<v Speaker 2>Not great, not great. Whatever scenario with the shark is

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<v Speaker 2>not great. The monkey is also not enjoyable, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>it's got large, large toofs tul and it's all yoked up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're losing in all three scenarios. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>would have the best shot to get one of these monkeys,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you're chained up with a chain. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>telling you you're you're going oh for three because you

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<v Speaker 2>can't go you can't you can't kill the rhino, You

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<v Speaker 2>probably can't kill the shark. You would have a chance

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<v Speaker 2>of killing a monkey. You wouldn't feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The monkey that is in this movie are like giant

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<v Speaker 1>zombie monkeys that are your size.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like baboon almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Giant teeth, and they're very, very strong, and they're out

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<v Speaker 1>for blood. They know what they're doing. They understand murder,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're cool with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But once they realized there was an alpha in

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<v Speaker 2>the ring, things flipped.

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<v Speaker 1>You think a monkey is gonna look at you and

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<v Speaker 1>say that's the alpha.

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<v Speaker 2>It was bite his forearm.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess even one of these dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the funniest videos, by the way, uh people

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<v Speaker 2>at the zoo going like this to monkeys and monkeys

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<v Speaker 2>flip it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably wouldn't recommend that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if there's an animal that could scale a

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<v Speaker 2>zoo wall, it would be a monkey. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's an animal that could take the bars of

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<v Speaker 1>a jail cell and stretching them open like this and

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<v Speaker 1>then get out, it's a monkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're going over three in this scenario, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>One Do three? Yeah, job three, King of Queen Mall Street,

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<v Speaker 1>n dam go And I'm Mac and we have our

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<v Speaker 1>sandals on and we're playing with wheats, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>ready to pull out our swords and gingerly touch tips.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. What a what a great description of our experience

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<v Speaker 2>watching Gladiator too. Yeah this past week and Goo, let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you, well, first of all, what are your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on the original Gladiator? Just set the stage here.

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<v Speaker 1>Classic.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a classic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a classic movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not one of my all time favorites, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>a classic, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And also it's one of those movies that crosses over

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<v Speaker 1>between blockbuster and Academy Award type movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, it has mass appeal for sure, And it

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<v Speaker 2>was a movie that, like when we were kids, it

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<v Speaker 2>was always like, you know, short before eight Mile came out,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, Gladiator was a lot of kids favorite movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It also is a movie that has an all time

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<v Speaker 1>character played by a movie star whereas like sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's a guy that's like up and coming kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fades away. Russell Crowe is one of those all

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<v Speaker 1>time movie stars and to that point.

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<v Speaker 2>You got the second aspect there, you got the up

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<v Speaker 2>and coming Joaquin Phoenix with an all time villain as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a great competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and also the action in the first one is

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding and the pacing doll it well. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>pacing between the action is also crucial to where it

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<v Speaker 1>lets you take in the action, sit back a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then another great scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, great revenge story. It's it's a really good movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Great end of the movie as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this movie, that movie came out in the

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<v Speaker 2>year two thousand. This movie comes out twenty four years later,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's set twenty years later. And basically we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into this further, but basically what this movie does was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you liked Gladiator, here's more of that, but less good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hey, you know that giant wear its shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I was hoping for more. And there's a

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<v Speaker 2>character in here played by Denzel Washington that was legitimately

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<v Speaker 2>intriguing and interesting, and there's some there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>shit going on in the Roman Empire, and we just

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<v Speaker 2>really honed in on the same little thing and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a little bothersome.

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<v Speaker 1>But also people keep on making this point of like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>did this movie need to get made? I would argue

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<v Speaker 1>that most things don't need to get made. Sure, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>So like the answer is like, probably no. But also

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<v Speaker 1>it's entertaining enough that you're not mad that it was made.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yes, and I'm not mad, but I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>it felt lazy because the story you writes itself and

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<v Speaker 2>they literally added nothing more to it. Right, So at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the First Gladiator, Marcus Aurelis's Maxim, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>Maximus's illegitimate son, yes, from the princess or queen. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what you would call our empress.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a queen now she's a queen.

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<v Speaker 2>Is alive Lucius and obviously Communist is dead as well,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's in play, right, And so there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>natural story to build here, which is the they go down.

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<v Speaker 2>They just like it's so basic and so simple and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no frills.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, I'll say this though, credit to me going

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<v Speaker 1>into the movie, I did not see the trailer that

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<v Speaker 1>reveals that he is Maximus's son, and I didn't read

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<v Speaker 1>any of the SYNOPSI I didn't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude. They literally when mezcal Is casted, they said he

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<v Speaker 2>was playing Maximus.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't read any of it, so I didn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>so like going like like, that's a decent little reveal,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I read everything after him, like oh they.

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<v Speaker 2>Told us, Yeah, it was explicit that this is what

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<v Speaker 2>the story was going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that they should have withheld that reveal.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I I like because when you think back to

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the First Gladiator, that's like the unsolved

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<v Speaker 2>thing there, right, So they both die in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the ring. Lucius is in play, so it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a natural evolution, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this movie had to add some more to him,

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<v Speaker 1>like well done, he ran away and now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, stupid, like it could have just been better. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't need to make him do the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't need to fridge his wife like they did

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<v Speaker 1>in the first movie. These aren't spoilers, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it's the first five minutes of the movie. But

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<v Speaker 1>that first I will say this though, is that first

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<v Speaker 1>battle scene when they're hucking fireballs back and forth, and

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<v Speaker 1>Pedro Pascal is like, I hate war, but he's also smirking,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm really good at this. I'm like that this

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<v Speaker 1>is fun. This is still fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the most fun and best action in the

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<v Speaker 2>whole movie. Yes, the Colisseum stuff was because you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting back home like I would have fought this animal differently.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, the CGI, go the CGI. This movie

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<v Speaker 2>was dog water.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fucking I didn't mind the rhino. The sharks

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<v Speaker 1>weren't great.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhino was okay because it was one the monkey's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yelling in my face, the horrible stop so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And the couple times we saw like some mortal wounds

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<v Speaker 2>or for example, an arm getting cut off that CGI

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<v Speaker 2>was bad too.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't great. And before we get to the nut

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<v Speaker 1>and bold something that and I found out the day

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<v Speaker 1>after that might hurt. My viewing of this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>across the hall from me was a viewing of the

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<v Speaker 1>movie Why two K that I passed on to see

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<v Speaker 1>Gladiator two. And because I don't know how to read

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<v Speaker 1>in the email it even said Kyle Mooney will be

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<v Speaker 1>at this screening, I missed out on meeting Kyle Mooney.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Kyle Mooney is a soulmate of yours.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would have I would have brought up

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<v Speaker 1>Brigsby Bear, and then I would have quoted every Bruce

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<v Speaker 1>Chandling joke that I know. Like, I would have said

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<v Speaker 1>to him like, hey, I didn't realize you were going

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<v Speaker 1>to be here because I don't know how to read cursive.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he'd be like, you don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>read cursive to read an email, I'll be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I also don't know how to read regular either.

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<v Speaker 2>Good. Yes, Mac Gladiator two is in R rated epen epen.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, epen epic. I need an EpiPen after

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<v Speaker 2>watching it. Epic action adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>What were you allergic to?

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<v Speaker 2>I just need a little boost of adrenaline.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Subgenres here goo action epic adventure, epic period drama, and

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<v Speaker 2>now my new favorite subgenre, go Sword and Sandy, Sword

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<v Speaker 2>and Sandal, Sword and Sandal movie.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was watching it, I was like, Sword and

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<v Speaker 1>Sandal wise, it's not at the Gladiator level, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>at the level of the Sword and Sandal movies that

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<v Speaker 1>followed Gladiator.

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<v Speaker 2>Gladiator, I guess would maybe be the gold standard for

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<v Speaker 2>that type of movie. This movie is more in the

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<v Speaker 2>Troy realm of movies, right where it's like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>did a couple of good things, but ultimately it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>that good.

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<v Speaker 1>It introduced some interesting characters, but you wanted them to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of go elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. Yeah. The two best characters in this movie

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<v Speaker 2>don't get as much screen time as.

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<v Speaker 1>They And also the guys that you are meant to

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<v Speaker 1>root against, there's nothing redeemable about them. So you want

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<v Speaker 1>that thin line of like do I like this bad guy? No,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing good about these bad guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude. This movie's projected for sixty five to seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>million in opening weekend here, which will be second reportedly?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a drop from the opening forecast? I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea, because I think the opening forecast might have

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<v Speaker 1>been around ninety Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, And uh, Wicked is projected for one twenty

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<v Speaker 2>to one forty. And if you're thinking back to Barbenheimer,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe Oppenheimer made eighty or ninety ye, Barbie made

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<v Speaker 2>like one twenty or one forty or one fifty or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that huge weekend coo you give your hand raised.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised if Wicked tops one to fifty

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<v Speaker 1>or even gets closer, like to like the crazy crazy numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it is. It's doing so well with the critics,

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<v Speaker 2>is doing extremely well in both metris, audience and critics.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie's doing solid in those metrics. So if there

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and five million opening weekends.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it won't get it won't get there.

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<v Speaker 1>It might get around two hundred, It might do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know why it won't. You're right, it's too long.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe can they show it less? Like they won't

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's part of it. Yeah, Uh, what do I know?

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<v Speaker 2>This movie? It has a run time of one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and you do feel it. You do feel it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>No, because at points it feels too long, but then

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's bizarre for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we're going to get issue. Are Ridley

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<v Speaker 1>hour long? No, I'm being serious and it it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feels better at the end, like it feels more.

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<v Speaker 2>Though. We'll talk about Ridley Scott a second, because I

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue that he would say that you're a

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<v Speaker 2>On Roddy Tea's Goose speaking of this has seventy one

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<v Speaker 2>percent from the critics, eighty five percent from the ad audience,

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<v Speaker 2>So in general, the majority of people are liking it.

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<v Speaker 2>Compare that to the original movie that had eighty percent

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<v Speaker 2>from the critics eighty seven percent from the audience. So

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<v Speaker 2>people are just basically saying a step down from that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>That wouldn't happen in real life. It's not really life.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it's probably two or three steps down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On Metacritic of sixty three, the original got a sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's a baseline, solid movie. It just feels

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<v Speaker 1>Not my hot Dog hand. It's a C plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I might even I might even venture down into

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<v Speaker 2>like the C minus range. It's in that. It's in

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<v Speaker 2>that range. I don't I don't know if i'd go

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<v Speaker 2>C plus but maybe maybe it's it's in the sea range.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie is written by Peter Craig, who've we've had

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about a couple of times now. Recently he

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<v Speaker 2>Bad Boys for Life, The Batman, and Top Gun Mavericks.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's really starting to do these twenty year later

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<v Speaker 2>later sequels you get Bad Boys for Life, Top Gun,

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<v Speaker 1>Four Legacy sequel. Wise, I think this is like right

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<v Speaker 1>on the line of what it should be. It shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be any worse than this, and it could have been

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it's like, it's got to be better than

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<v Speaker 2>this if we're gonna make these movies, right, this just

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<v Speaker 2>is like all right, fine, I'm not mad it got made,

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<v Speaker 2>but it should be better.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I would argue that this is right around, if

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<v Speaker 1>not slightly better than Beatlejuice, Beetlejuice.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Beetlejuice. Beatle Juice was much better than that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought it was much better than this, but

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<v Speaker 2>you also had sky high expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, once again, nowhere near Top Gun Maverick. But

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<v Speaker 1>Top Gun Maverick has the has the leg up on

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<v Speaker 1>every other legacy sequel because the first Top Gun is terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right if that's helped that the second movie is

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<v Speaker 2>better than.

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<v Speaker 1>The it's way better. It's like, you know how the

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<v Speaker 1>first Gladiator is at a completely different level than what

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<v Speaker 1>this is. Yeah, it's the other way around. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say that Gladiator too is better than the first

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<v Speaker 1>Top Gun movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're probably right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's yeah, we should do legacy sequels now, is

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<v Speaker 1>it better than the first Top Gun?

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<v Speaker 2>Goude. The second writer on this movie is David Scarpa. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been a really scott guy. He wrote The Day

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<v Speaker 2>of the Earth's The Day the Earth Stood Still, All

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<v Speaker 2>the Money in the World, and that crappy Napoleon movie

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<v Speaker 2>that came out last year. Upcoming he's doing the Cleopatra movie,

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>He's who's directing Cleopatra.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe really Scott, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it wouldn't be an attachment to Napoleon. It'd be

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<v Speaker 1>way ahead of time, way behind, unless we do time

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<v Speaker 1>travel like the original Gladiator Too was supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see Napoleon. Maybe they introduced time travel on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Redley Scott wouldn't be against that. Speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>the release, were you there? Do you fucking know?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not going to run through Ridley Scott's illustrious

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<v Speaker 2>career and he is one of the all time great directors. However,

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<v Speaker 2>think I've really really liked the Ridley Scott movie in

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen years. American Gangster was the last one I really

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even love American Gangster.

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<v Speaker 2>So before that, it probably was what's the one that

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<v Speaker 2>came out after Gladiator? It was Gladiator? And then he

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the name of it escapes me. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking. Maybe if you didn't love American Gangster it's

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<v Speaker 2>been twenty plus years since Scott's done a great movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But also he's one of my favorite directors because he

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<v Speaker 1>yells at us so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like, he does have the resume, and he has

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of all time great movies. I just don't think

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<v Speaker 1>He might be on the mount rushmore of modern day directors.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I say modern day, I mean like post

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'd be hard to argue against his resume for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Hammering.

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<v Speaker 2>So, the one thing I'll say about Riley Scott is

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<v Speaker 2>the movies that don't crush it, like the Alien sequels,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, are still solid movies. He's so it's like baseline,

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<v Speaker 2>You're getting an okay experience. You know, he's not making

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<v Speaker 1>Shit, right, But he also like jumps in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Alien franchise, though it's not all him.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed. We agree of Gladiator too. After his home is

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<v Speaker 2>conquered by the tyrannical Empress who now lead Rome, Lucius

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<v Speaker 2>is forced to enter the coliseum and must look to

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could just swap out Lucius with Maximus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's again this movie is it's not bad though

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. But because it's so lazy, I wouldn't blame

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<v Speaker 2>someone if they called it bad, you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't it doesn't build it out any further. It

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<v Speaker 2>just takes the blueprint from the first one. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking about this because we have talked about, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fan service, just get where fans give us

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<v Speaker 2>what we like. But if you take a movie that's

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four years in the making and give us a

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<v Speaker 2>but worse, that's not the same, that is not the same.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it almost is like it could have been

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<v Speaker 1>a bridge if they had cut the movie off around

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<v Speaker 1>the two hour mark, that it could have been a

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<v Speaker 1>bridge to a really good third movie in the trilogy

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<v Speaker 1>if they wanted to do that. But they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>killed off some stuff at the end that got rid

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<v Speaker 1>of that unless they want to start time traveling again.

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<v Speaker 2>The two thousand and one really Scott movie I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of was Blackhawk Down.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that is a good one, that's a great one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, would.

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<v Speaker 1>You put that on the Mount Rushmore of TNT movies.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a yeah, it's like a perfect it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A Saturday afternoon TNT movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's probably how most of us watched it

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<v Speaker 2>when we were younger, because we were, well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, we should do a podcast on that

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<v Speaker 1>best basic cable movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything with Jeremy Renner, The Bourne.

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<v Speaker 1>Movies, Nicholas Cage late nineties. Yes, yeah, wow, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>This movie stars Connie Nielsen as Lucilla, reprising her role

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<v Speaker 2>from the first movie. She of course had the baby

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<v Speaker 2>out of wedlock with Maximus in the first movie. Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Mezcala is Lucius, the aforementioned Lucius, who is Maximus's illegitimate son,

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<v Speaker 2>Lucilla's son. Denzel Washington as Macrinus, who, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta give him a little credit. He's not totally

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<v Speaker 2>denzeling it up. He's doing it. He's playing the character

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<v Speaker 2>enough and to me, by far, the most interesting character

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<v Speaker 2>in this movie. And we don't get nearly enough of

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<v Speaker 2>how he came to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be right, and also we can't really describe his character

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<v Speaker 1>without spoiling. So the one thing that I will say

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<v Speaker 1>about him is the worst part of this entire movie

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<v Speaker 1>is his kissing sound effect. It made my skin crawl

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<v Speaker 1>every single time.

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<v Speaker 2>He kisses a lot of hands in this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's firsture. But with the sound though, juicy lipsco Have

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<v Speaker 1>you not considered Denzel's.

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<v Speaker 2>how he said. Joseph Quinn as Emperor Ghetta and then

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<v Speaker 2>this was the funniest moment of the movie to me

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't realize there was gonna be a second eper.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought they did a CGI version of a smaller

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Quinn. Uh Fred Heckinger as the smaller Emperor Caracalla

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<v Speaker 2>and laugh out loud the way he looks. He's a diminutive,

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<v Speaker 1>When they first hopped on the screen, I was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the mc boyles. Nice. But then as the movie

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<v Speaker 1>kept on going and they kept on adding makeup to

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<v Speaker 1>them and they're you know, they're big rosy cheeks, you

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<v Speaker 1>know from the Syphilis. I was like, they look just

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<v Speaker 1>like Stuart from Matt TV both of them what it

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<v Speaker 2>What I can do talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Let the gods decide. The only smaller one sorry, the

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<v Speaker 2>The only other two characters whose names you would probably

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<v Speaker 2>need to remember from this movie are Tim McInerney as

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<v Speaker 2>three X Thrax three X I don't even remember what

425
00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.720
<v Speaker 2>they called him in the movie. And Alexander kareim A

426
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<v Speaker 2>is Rovi. He's the doctor of the glad. Oh.

427
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<v Speaker 1>I liked him. Actually, he was a good character. I

428
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<v Speaker 1>liked him a lot.

429
00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.200
<v Speaker 2>He was a good character. But they just used him

430
00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:40.759
<v Speaker 2>for Lucius to give us, you know, some like backstory stuff.

431
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<v Speaker 1>You know, this doesn't spoil my favorite part of the movie.

432
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<v Speaker 1>I actually cackled. No one else laughed. Everyone in my

433
00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:49.160
<v Speaker 1>fucking stupid my theater was an idiot. Is when he

434
00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.279
<v Speaker 1>goes and does something, and he goes and finds a soldier.

435
00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.440
<v Speaker 1>He runs up and he pushes another soldier out of

436
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<v Speaker 1>the way, And the way that he did it was

437
00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:02.839
<v Speaker 1>the funniest thing in the movie. He's like, get out here,

438
00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:04.920
<v Speaker 1>like one handed shove.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Uh kut. I had I wouldn't say high expectations for

440
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<v Speaker 2>this movie. When this movie was announced, I expected almost

441
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<v Speaker 2>nothing because we're talking about twenty four year later sequel. However,

442
00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:20.839
<v Speaker 2>once we saw the trailers, were like, oh, we got

443
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<v Speaker 2>something here, and that built up a little bit of intrigue,

444
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<v Speaker 2>and so I had reasonable expectations. I felt like and

445
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<v Speaker 2>I felt like this fell short of those expectations.

446
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<v Speaker 1>I think it met right what I was expecting. I

447
00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:33.839
<v Speaker 1>was expecting middling.

448
00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:37.480
<v Speaker 2>You were expecting the laziest version of this movie possible.

449
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<v Speaker 1>And while it was middling, let me finish, I was

450
00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:46.200
<v Speaker 1>entertained enough. It was definitely clunky at points. The pasin

451
00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:49.960
<v Speaker 1>was a bit off, the fighting in it was not

452
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<v Speaker 1>at the caliber of the first movie. The characters, I

453
00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:55.880
<v Speaker 1>don't think we're at the caliber of the first movie.

454
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<v Speaker 1>And this movie was also too reliant on Hey, you

455
00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.559
<v Speaker 1>guys like that first movie? No we do? Yeah? Yeah?

456
00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Should I just go watch that one instead?

457
00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It was that, And then I think they were

458
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<v Speaker 2>really banking on their colosseum scenes hitting and it just

459
00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't for me. They didn't hit at all. They were

460
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<v Speaker 2>fucking like.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Also, woop is the timeline of this movie? How long

462
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<v Speaker 1>does it take to fill the Colisseum with water and

463
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<v Speaker 1>then also drain the water and not have it, you know,

464
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<v Speaker 1>have that flood look to it.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I question the viability of that, and also.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Well they used to do that. They used to actually

467
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<v Speaker 1>do the like the water boat fights and a.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Different era of the Colosseum.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Though as we discovered it, it's all one thing. You

470
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<v Speaker 1>weren't there.

471
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<v Speaker 2>No, I like the idea of it. I'm just telling you.

472
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<v Speaker 2>The sharks looked like fucking shit, which were not even

473
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<v Speaker 2>as bad as the monkeys, So there was there was

474
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<v Speaker 2>just a lot of issues in that respect, and I

475
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<v Speaker 2>think they were hoping that those would be the tenth

476
00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:54.960
<v Speaker 2>polls of the movie, these three Colosseum scenes, and they.

477
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<v Speaker 1>Were all I understand why they added the sharks because

478
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<v Speaker 1>like thinking about, okay, adding sharks, so this is cool,

479
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:04.920
<v Speaker 1>but you didn't really need the sharks. The soldiers that

480
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<v Speaker 1>are being shot or bow and arrowed in falling into

481
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:11.279
<v Speaker 1>the water, they're gonna die anyways, so the sharks are

482
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<v Speaker 1>kind of pointless. I thought one of those sharks was

483
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<v Speaker 1>gonna breach the boat. You know how, in the year

484
00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:19.039
<v Speaker 1>two thousand we discovered that sharks can jump out of

485
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<v Speaker 1>the water and you know, fly into the sun or

486
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<v Speaker 1>whatever the hell they do, specifically in the year two

487
00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:27.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand and a year two thousand. In the year two thousand,

488
00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:31.079
<v Speaker 1>I thought we're gonna had some fucking breaching sharks.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that maybe would have been cooler than what we got.

490
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it just wasn't.

491
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<v Speaker 1>The people in the water were already dead.

492
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<v Speaker 2>Good.

493
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

494
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<v Speaker 2>I thought there was three really good characters in this movie,

495
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<v Speaker 2>two of which we didn't get enough streak time.

496
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<v Speaker 1>Of Were they really good or just good?

497
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<v Speaker 2>No, really good okay, but should have but didn't add

498
00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:55.279
<v Speaker 2>to two didn't add much to the movie because we

499
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:58.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't get enough background for them. Uh. Paul mezcal As Lucius,

500
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<v Speaker 2>I thought was very good. It was I haven't seen

501
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.000
<v Speaker 2>him before. I know he's been around these last couple

502
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.680
<v Speaker 2>of years, but I haven't really seen anything he's been in.

503
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I thought that worked out well.

504
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<v Speaker 1>It's also not fair to compare him to Maximus.

505
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<v Speaker 2>No, No, not at all.

506
00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Because if you are, it's you know, not really close.

507
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Sure. The two best characters in this movie to me

508
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.799
<v Speaker 2>by a mile, where Denzel Washington's Macrinus and Joseph Quinn's

509
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Emperor Ghetta and we get some of Macrinus we don't.

510
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<v Speaker 2>We get a little bit of his background when he's

511
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<v Speaker 2>you know, when he's talking to Lucius later in the movie.

512
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<v Speaker 2>But once you learn like where he was and who

513
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<v Speaker 2>he became and his story, that was the most interesting

514
00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.880
<v Speaker 2>part of the movie. And I felt like that should

515
00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:40.799
<v Speaker 2>have been the driving factor of the movie because in

516
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<v Speaker 2>the third act, that is the driving factor of what's

517
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>going on. But the problem is they didn't build out

518
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<v Speaker 2>that character enough to us for us to really care.

519
00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.599
<v Speaker 2>And on top of it, Joseph Quinn plays a great

520
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:53.880
<v Speaker 2>son of a bitch, but there's just not enough of him.

521
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.599
<v Speaker 1>We needed more, but there's nothing redeemable about him though,

522
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.160
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, oh, he's just the son of a bit.

523
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.960
<v Speaker 2>But that's fine because you have Macronus, who is that

524
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of borderline character, or at least at first you're

525
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:09.119
<v Speaker 2>not really sure what his intentions are. So you have

526
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.559
<v Speaker 2>the established son of a bitch in the established good

527
00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>guy and Macronus somewhere in the middle, and they just

528
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't play upon that enough, because again, this is a

529
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.359
<v Speaker 2>really lazily written movie.

530
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.799
<v Speaker 1>I also would have liked a lot more from Pedro

531
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Pascal's character. I think there was more to tell there

532
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:24.799
<v Speaker 1>as well.

533
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you knew, like the minute the things got going,

534
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 2>you knew where his story was gonna end up.

535
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Shall we get into the none? Yeah?

536
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 2>And also enough for nothing. Connie Nilsen, she wasn't great.

537
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.519
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't great. Okay, she was okay, I guess she

538
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:41.119
<v Speaker 2>wasn't great.

539
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Fun factor. I loved the battle at the beginning, and

540
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<v Speaker 1>I will accept the rhino fight. I thought the monkey

541
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>fight was pretty ridiculous, but I did like Mescal's you know,

542
00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.119
<v Speaker 1>creed like training sequences. They weren't as like crazy he

543
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>as a rocky movie, but there were some things of

544
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.039
<v Speaker 1>like this guy just won't stop.

545
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:05.960
<v Speaker 2>You know what. The coolest thing this whole movie was,

546
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.759
<v Speaker 2>which tell me that happened in the first one too,

547
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.839
<v Speaker 2>is them running up the stairs to the coliseum the

548
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:13.839
<v Speaker 2>way Mescal hops around, the way that Russell Crowe did

549
00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 2>it twenty four years ago. Awesome, looks cool. This movie

550
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.960
<v Speaker 2>attempts to have a lot of fun. For me, it

551
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't really happen. But you're right that opening fight scene

552
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:30.559
<v Speaker 2>when Pascal is leading his army to Mescal in that

553
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:34.119
<v Speaker 2>African country, that was great. I wanted more of that,

554
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>you know what? That felt like? Aqual World, water World,

555
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>water World. There you go.

556
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you even know the name of your own favorite movie?

557
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I was looking. I was looking at the aquater World

558
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 2>here acle World. Better title for a sequel than Gladiator, too,

559
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.119
<v Speaker 2>although I do like that they used the Roman numeral

560
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>you know because.

561
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:58.039
<v Speaker 1>But it also confused me because it turned Gladiator into

562
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Gladiator with two eyes true, okay, uh satisfactor hmm. We

563
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.400
<v Speaker 1>got where we needed to go, but really had a

564
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 1>tough time getting there by the end.

565
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I so because because Maximus dies in the first movie,

566
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>you know exactly what's not gonna happen in this movie,

567
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and that makes the end really predictable, and so there's

568
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.200
<v Speaker 2>not much satisfying that occurs here.

569
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Borometer hmmm. I don't know if I was ever truly

570
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>bored during my first time watching this movie. I would

571
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>expect that I would never watch this again, and if

572
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I did, I would be very bored. But my first

573
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 1>time through, I was decently intrigued throughout.

574
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Uh. I closed my eyes a couple times during this movie,

575
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.400
<v Speaker 2>just for a brief minute brief Now. Granted, I was

576
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>a tie tie boy when I when I saw it,

577
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Who are you me? I was bored. I was bored

578
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>a couple times during this movie, and like the overarching

579
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 2>revenge story and is like, innately a good story if

580
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.440
<v Speaker 2>they had added anything more to it than what we

581
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.279
<v Speaker 2>got in the first one. So I don't know, I

582
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 2>was just boring, predictable.

583
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you know it's bad. I've now gone two straight

584
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>movies where I had to pee in the middle of

585
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the movie. I got up and went to the bathroom. Jesus,

586
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I know I had gone. I had a cal ripkin

587
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>like streak of not peeing during movies, and now I

588
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.799
<v Speaker 1>am just I'm a regular ever Damian.

589
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Everhuford Bathom Durio movie.

590
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, I've done it twice now in a row. It's

591
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 1>two really long movies though.

592
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:35.599
<v Speaker 2>So Simmons is old.

593
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Simmons is old. Am I just getting old? Oh Halloween?

594
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Will your interest in this movie wane over time? I'll

595
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 1>rewatch the first one again.

596
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh, my interest has already weaned. In the one day

597
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 2>since I've seen it. I was like, this movie's not bad,

598
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>this movie is solid, And then now I'm here like

599
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't really like I didn't really like the movie.

600
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I didn't. I didn't. I hate it.

601
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's winging, it's free falling currently. I'm glad we're

602
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 2>recording today not tomorrow, because it might be fucking sinking tomorrow.

603
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of sinking, a quater world. Is this better than

604
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen ninety five classic water World?

605
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, technically yes, but it's in the same range

606
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>quite honestly, Like this movie, water World has probably more

607
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>fun than this movie has.

608
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Which would make a better stage playld oh, I don't know.

609
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>This would be pretty good at people dressing up like

610
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.039
<v Speaker 1>animals and like five people in a giant rhino costume.

611
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Because I would love to see a stage play where

612
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.559
<v Speaker 2>there's just like an ocean on stage at all times.

613
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 1>All Right, credit union, who you're given credit to?

614
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:45.319
<v Speaker 2>I guess Denzel right, Denzel is like carries this movie

615
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>at points, and this is the most interesting character. But

616
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I almost don't want to give him

617
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>cdit because there wasn't enough of him. But that's not

618
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 2>his fault.

619
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>When life gives you plemings, you make Jesse plemonade. And

620
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I think the doctor in this movie, in the little

621
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>amount of time we go, it's pretty solid.

622
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Rav was pretty good. Yeah, a couple of good scenes there,

623
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 2>but again the scenes are like kind of shoehorned in,

624
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't love him. I'll go Joseph Quinn here

625
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>because we should have got more of him than when

626
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.039
<v Speaker 2>he was on screen screen. He was great. He played

627
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 2>a really great unhinged.

628
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Bad guy pants ten City Excite bike Mania. What got

629
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:24.799
<v Speaker 1>you going in this movie? I really enjoyed that first battle,

630
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and everything else was good enough.

631
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the first battle was the best action sequence of

632
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the whole movie. And that comes what seven minutes in.

633
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<v Speaker 1>Time out from the start of this podcast? Have you

634
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 1>already changed your hot dog score on the dock?

635
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I have?

636
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>What in the world is happening?

637
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.759
<v Speaker 2>I have? Yeah, it's I'll tell you it's free falling.

638
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

639
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really care for the rest of the movie

640
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 2>one way or the other. It's that's why it's like,

641
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.759
<v Speaker 2>it's fine, it's boring, it's not bad. I don't know.

642
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe I'm just a fucking poopy pants McGhee on

643
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:03.119
<v Speaker 2>this one. But I did care for Ito's it needed it.

644
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Tried for the pants tent scenes in the coliseum, they

645
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 2>just didn't.

646
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>It did try. It did try for the pantstent and

647
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll even say so, like, yes, the CGI is a

648
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 1>little bit off in this, but I thought overall, though

649
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the set designs, the overall look at the coliseum, the

650
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.519
<v Speaker 1>costumes actually no credit union whoever did the costumes in

651
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>this movie. Sure everyone looks great. Wouldn't you love a

652
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>nice robe you can really let yourself air out.

653
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Denzel's costumes in particular, were magnificent.

654
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. If you were to rank the costumes, Denzel's at

655
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the top, right, for sure, I would say Pedro Pascal

656
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>had some very nice robes because he also because he's

657
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>a soldier, so he would have like the shoulder pieces

658
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 1>as well. I also, and we saw it in the

659
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 1>commercial for it, but you know the armor that is

660
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>eventually revealed, and yes it is, remember the first one.

661
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>But the armor's pretty dope.

662
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, solid for sure, and a nice little flashback to

663
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>when Maximus is talking to Lucius in the first movie

664
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.359
<v Speaker 2>about the arm and what the lions are khu As

665
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about this, By the way, you liked this

666
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:05.119
<v Speaker 2>more than Wicked.

667
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I'm not a good judge of musicals. Okay,

668
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>that's why you're gonna need to I might even turn

669
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 1>my microphone off for the Wicked podcast.

670
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, the fact that I didn't love this movie is

671
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 2>probably gonna guarantee that I'm gonna like Wicked more.

672
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I also like, I appreciate the cast of this movie

673
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.599
<v Speaker 1>not crying during all of their interviews, like the cast

674
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>of Wicked. Have you seen their interviews?

675
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.519
<v Speaker 2>They're just having fun, you know, to know.

676
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:38.119
<v Speaker 1>They're all like we changed people's lives. Maybe I don't know,

677
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 1>but come on stop. For those of you tarty to

678
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>the Mac and Goo party, we rate everything on a

679
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>forty hot dog rating system, and Mac as someone who

680
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>believes the First Gladiator is a classic. Yes, I'm in

681
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 1>that boat. I am. No one else thinks that way

682
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>besides me, But uh, this is definitely a step below.

683
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's very retreatty, it's very hey remember this from the

684
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 1>first one. It's a little clunky at points. The pacing,

685
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Like I thought the movie started out paced pretty well

686
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 1>of getting back to Rome pretty quickly, getting into the

687
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.839
<v Speaker 1>coliseum quickly, and then they needed a lot of things

688
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 1>to happen too quickly, so like it should have been

689
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 1>paced out a little bit better. But the movie's also

690
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>two and a half hours long, so I don't know

691
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.559
<v Speaker 1>what you want to do there. I liked a bunch

692
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.759
<v Speaker 1>of the characters, but none of them are close to

693
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 1>the characters that we had in the first movie. I

694
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>think the first movie, if you're tearing characters, would have

695
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 1>two or three above what we got in this movie.

696
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying the characters in this movie are bad.

697
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 1>The other ones are just better. And like Maximus is

698
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>one of those, like he's one of those magnetic characters

699
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 1>where like, even if the dialogue isn't there, the way

700
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 1>that it's delivered is and I'm not sure this movie

701
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.559
<v Speaker 1>had anyone that could have done that. Mac I have

702
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.799
<v Speaker 1>this at thirty one hot dogs C plus.

703
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a fair score. So admittedly, when I left

704
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the theater, I was like, maybe he's that in the

705
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 2>thirty two dog range, you know, I'm thinking about it,

706
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>and then I'm looking at the movies I've seen this

707
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.160
<v Speaker 2>year in that range, and I'm like, no, I liked

708
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>all of those movies better. And then so now I'm

709
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 2>trying to slot it in the year, and it just

710
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>kept dropping, kept dropping, kept dropping, and the more I

711
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 2>thought about it.

712
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Also, in my review right there in my Hot Dogs,

713
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.039
<v Speaker 1>I only said the negatives. I said some positives just

714
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.639
<v Speaker 1>before it, And it's the look of the movie. It's

715
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 1>the overall, like grandiose rome that's there. It's the you know,

716
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 1>the scope of the movie. I think it looks really

717
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:33.320
<v Speaker 1>really good, and I love the costume design, and I

718
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>love how everyone really buys into, you know, the period

719
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 1>piece that it is. I also love people hiding behind

720
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>pillars and listening to secrets.

721
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I think the movie was acted well. From the three

722
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>characters I've mentioned already, I think really the driving force

723
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>behind the quote unquote good in this movie is the

724
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 2>underlying story of revenge always plays out. But to me,

725
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>they didn't add anything to it like this, This movie

726
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.840
<v Speaker 2>came in right here, like they wrote this baseline revenge

727
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:05.760
<v Speaker 2>story that we got the exact same thing in the

728
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 2>first one of and they did they added nothing. So

729
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the movie never went up from there. And like the

730
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 2>more I'm comparing it to movies we've seen this year

731
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>and against itself from the past, the more it keeps

732
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:18.760
<v Speaker 2>dropping because it does feel lazy and it was boring

733
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 2>and the set pieces didn't hit. So I have this

734
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.960
<v Speaker 2>at twenty nine hot Dogs. It's my number fifteen movie

735
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four it probably is like the start

736
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:31.079
<v Speaker 2>of the met tier, like a C minus range. It's

737
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.519
<v Speaker 2>it's okay. I don't think anyone's gonna hate this movie,

738
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>but I think there's gonna be some people really disappointed

739
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>in it because it doesn't nearly get to the highs

740
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.079
<v Speaker 2>of the first movie. And also, like, if you're gonna

741
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 2>make these movies, these legacy sequels twenty four years later,

742
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 2>you really need to have something like if this movie

743
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:54.239
<v Speaker 2>came out two years afterwards and it was a carbon

744
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 2>copy of the first one, that's more fine than it

745
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 2>is twenty four years late.

746
00:35:58.440 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>No, but if that happened back then, it would have

747
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 1>fallen into obscurity. I mean this one probably will too. Yeah,

748
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>this movie's going to be so okay.

749
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it gets killed more for being the same

750
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 2>amount of lazy, but twenty four years later. So I

751
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.880
<v Speaker 2>just I didn't care for this movie. And it's a

752
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.360
<v Speaker 2>bummer and this is this is These are the types

753
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.480
<v Speaker 2>of movies I hate to review because I didn't enjoy it.

754
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hate it. It's just smack dab in the middle.

755
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Shall we spoil Let's get to it. Spoilers. Spiler spoilers.

756
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I will say about the revenge, It at least changes

757
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:33.039
<v Speaker 1>several times. And while we know that Denzel is up

758
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 1>to something, we know that you know he's not just

759
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's not gonna help out Mescal. By the end,

760
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 1>you are expecting the revenge to move from Mescal to

761
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the syphilis twins to like, maybe that's where it ends,

762
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>but it does eventually. It's not the revenge on Denzel.

763
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess it is because Denzel kills his mom. By

764
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>the way, When Denzel kills his mom, do you think

765
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 1>that was just there to be like.

766
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't kill his mom, kills Luci's mom.

767
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Lousi's mom. Do you think that was just

768
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 1>to like tell the audience this is the bad guy.

769
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Just in case you guys missed it. This is the

770
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 1>bad guy.

771
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Right right, So he's trying to eliminate anyone with a

772
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:14.119
<v Speaker 2>stake to the throne, but also so here so he

773
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>is easily the most interesting character in the movie, Denzel's Macronus,

774
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 2>But in the beginning of the movie, it's not clear

775
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 2>that he's a bad guy. He seems like he's a

776
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 2>rogue agent operating outside. Yeah, no, that's better. This is

777
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, and like you're not really sure of

778
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>his motivations and whatnot, but as you come to find

779
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.039
<v Speaker 2>out he wants he's got his eyes on the throne

780
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>or his eyes on the empire crumbling. The way he

781
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 2>is his designs are played out doesn't really make sense

782
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>because he's rooting for Lucius but then has to root

783
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>against Lucius, but then he's trying to feed asist to Lucius,

784
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.280
<v Speaker 2>who Pedro Pascal's character. So like, the most interesting thing

785
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 2>is Denzel's pursuit of something, whether it's poorly written or not,

786
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.320
<v Speaker 2>because of his character and coming from the outside, which

787
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I wish we've got more backstory there. And the second

788
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>most interesting thing is the general of the Roman army

789
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:10.079
<v Speaker 2>trying to overthrow the empire. But that comes and goes

790
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>within like seven minutes. Like it's just they squashed that

791
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>so quickly that you're like, oh, that was kind of

792
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>fucking useless. And then you never get a chance to

793
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.719
<v Speaker 2>see Lucia's work with him, Like they really wasted the

794
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.159
<v Speaker 2>opportunity there that could have come together much better than

795
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>it actually did.

796
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like I said earlier, you can't really talk

797
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.639
<v Speaker 1>about Denzel's character in this movie without spoiling. He is Jafar,

798
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>he is little Finger from Game of Thrones. He's constantly

799
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.519
<v Speaker 1>working everybody to get to his end goal. And I

800
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>also really would have liked it if if you had

801
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.880
<v Speaker 1>this plan to make this into two movies and you

802
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 1>let Denzel get away at the end, and maybe we

803
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>don't solve the problem at the end, and we just

804
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the next movie can just be a bunch of Denzel.

805
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting to think about. I don't think they

806
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>ever conceptualized a third movie, so that, like I get

807
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>what's saying, but they could have done that in this movie.

808
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.079
<v Speaker 2>Goude like more Denzel stuff in this movie, because it

809
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 2>would be more interesting than the exact same story that

810
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.599
<v Speaker 2>we got, you know what I mean. Like the first

811
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>act could have been heavy on Denzel, and then you

812
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.480
<v Speaker 2>introduced Mezcale's character towards the end of the first half

813
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.800
<v Speaker 2>being bought by Denzel, you know what I mean.

814
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>And so it's important to know that Mescal's wife was

815
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>killed and that is his motivation. Otherwise he wouldn't have

816
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 1>done any of it.

817
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Because there are good characters in here, but they don't

818
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 2>play the right beats on these characters. So it's annoying,

819
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.320
<v Speaker 2>it's frustrating, like it's just I don't know. And you

820
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>know what really pissed me off is clearly Macronus and

821
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Freex are like wagering two guys at like betting on stuff.

822
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>We see them in place, one wager and then all

823
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.079
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, he's like, you own me ten million dollars,

824
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.000
<v Speaker 2>so I'm taking your home. You're like, wait, what, when

825
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.280
<v Speaker 2>the fuck did that happen? They don't see any of that,

826
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>and that, like Underworld of Rome is also more interesting

827
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>than everything we got. So they just spent two much

828
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>much time on Lucius's story and they didn't need to

829
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 2>because we already get the motivation there. We understand the

830
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.920
<v Speaker 2>motivation once you know who he is, So you could

831
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.639
<v Speaker 2>have spent that time on the underworld or building Joseph

832
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Quinn's emperor character, or building Machronus more. They just spent

833
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:21.679
<v Speaker 2>so much time on shit we already understood and already got.

834
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm also so curious how those twins came into power, yes.

835
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, how did they decide.

836
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>To make them both The end of the first movie

837
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 1>is like, you're at the same point as the end

838
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>of this movie, so if they make another sequel in

839
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty years, they're gonna be like, well, these other people

840
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>came into power and now we need to get Roam

841
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:39.599
<v Speaker 1>back again.

842
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.840
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to see how like Lucilla gets pushed out

843
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 2>and those two, Like, there's plenty of interesting stuff that

844
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure happened, and we just don't see any of it.

845
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 2>They don't talk about any of it, and instead we

846
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.639
<v Speaker 2>just get multiple seams of Lucius Ingladiator prison, like the

847
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>same shit we got in the first movie.

848
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:56.519
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna change your hot dog score again?

849
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, honestly it feels like a twenty seven dogar to

850
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:03.400
<v Speaker 2>me because I like the revenge style stuff, and there

851
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.239
<v Speaker 2>are certain characters in this movie that are good. I'm

852
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.000
<v Speaker 2>at twenty nine and they'll probably finish for at twenty

853
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.320
<v Speaker 2>seven though I can see that. But again, that's like

854
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.440
<v Speaker 2>that's this, you know, C minus range. It's just I

855
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.079
<v Speaker 2>don't even know if it's a good movie. It's fine,

856
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 2>it exists, it's not bad.

857
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>It's a dumb question. And maybe I should know this

858
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 1>as an Italian. How close is Rome to the ocean?

859
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Rome is inward? I don't think Rome touches the ocean,

860
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 2>but it's not far from the ocean, but that's why.

861
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 2>So the Roman army was in the quote unquote port

862
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 2>of Rome, whatever city that was that Robbie had to

863
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.559
<v Speaker 2>go ride and get them. So Rome's probably I don't know,

864
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:42.920
<v Speaker 2>ten miles twenty miles from the ocean. What's your Google

865
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 2>maps tell you?

866
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm just googling can you create seawater to house sharks?

867
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Because you have to get a lot of seawater to

868
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.119
<v Speaker 1>put those sharks in the college.

869
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Romans had a pretty extensive system in

870
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>terms of like, I don't doubt that they could have

871
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.280
<v Speaker 2>got ocean water to the coliseum. The sharks is the

872
00:41:58.639 --> 00:41:59.079
<v Speaker 2>tough one.

873
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 1>What are you thinking, like like an eighteen wheeler or something.

874
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 2>No aqueducts. Come on, I'm looking up Rome, Italy right now.

875
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna stick with thirty one. I'm pretty fine with

876
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.039
<v Speaker 1>it being a C plus. I had an enjoyable time,

877
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 1>but not something that I want to get back to.

878
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:18.199
<v Speaker 2>So the city they mentioned in this movie, Ostia is

879
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what, but there's like one city between

880
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Rome and the in the Mediterranean, so it's not too far.

881
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's Getack and mak Sac could be anything that

882
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:40.719
<v Speaker 1>could be a boat. And with Thanksgiving coming up next week,

883
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:42.760
<v Speaker 1>we are here to just remind you once again. And

884
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:47.000
<v Speaker 1>it is November, and November is the month of Movember.

885
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>And while Mac and I do not have Movember accounts,

886
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 1>well we might technically have November accounts, but I don't

887
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 1>think I get emails as well. We would like you

888
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>of donating to us, please donate to our vonde. Just

889
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:08.119
<v Speaker 1>head over to November search Ryan Davey, search Arvon d.

890
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:12.199
<v Speaker 1>We'll put the link in the bio here. Please do

891
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:13.519
<v Speaker 1>that for men's.

892
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Health, yes, please do. Please do.

893
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Also, with Thanksgiving coming up, that means that the Christmas

894
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.039
<v Speaker 1>season is truly here. It's not just goos Christmas season.

895
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.119
<v Speaker 1>It is the time to make children's holidays better and

896
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 1>the best way for that is to find anywhere there is.

897
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 1>We're not telling you specifically to do what we do.

898
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 1>We usually go to a boys and girls club, but

899
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:37.599
<v Speaker 1>donate toys.

900
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you've got the means, if you got some

901
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>extra bucks this holiday season. Goo's the one that turned

902
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.599
<v Speaker 2>me onto this and it's a great idea. It's really

903
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.320
<v Speaker 2>really easy. What we do we contact our local boys club,

904
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.079
<v Speaker 2>boys and girls club. They have a list of kids

905
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>in need of gifts, kids that don't have much, and

906
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.679
<v Speaker 2>they'll give you a couple kids tell you roughly what

907
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.559
<v Speaker 2>they're into, and you can go buy gifts for them.

908
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 2>And it's just a couple of gifts here and there,

909
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and it goes a long way. It might be the

910
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.440
<v Speaker 2>only real gift a kid gets. So it's pretty fulfilling

911
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>for sure. Pretty fulfilling for sure. And if you were

912
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:12.679
<v Speaker 2>a kid that spent a lot of time at a

913
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:14.679
<v Speaker 2>boys and girls club, it obviously is a nice way

914
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:15.119
<v Speaker 2>to give back.

915
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like last year, one kid wanted the foot bath,

916
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.440
<v Speaker 1>one kid wanted an oven mint, the other one of

917
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:26.199
<v Speaker 1>an iPod nano. So like, some things cost more than others.

918
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>But that's how you show that you care, all right,

919
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>So Mac, next week we'll do Wicked at the Top.

920
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I've already seen it. Max excited to see it.

921
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm excited to see it.

922
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Is so excited to see Wicked. Well, also, on Thanksgiving

923
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>we'll have a holiday special for you.

924
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 2>How about that?

925
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Because we did not act tear berd this year, so

926
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.559
<v Speaker 1>we'll be no de seer berring instead.

927
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm wicked fucking excited for Wicked.

928
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:59.119
<v Speaker 1>It was a wicked pass a night at the Godden kid.

929
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Just a shitty action. That's the whole Oh I'm in

930
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 2>this movie was Wicked.

931
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it. Davy put out his Kid do

932
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:10.360
<v Speaker 1>that fucking thing. Davy put out his mount Rushmore of Rats, which,

933
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 1>first off, we're gonna eventually do our top ten movie

934
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Rats of all time as well. No, Keith did mice.

935
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you not know the difference?

936
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I sure do.

937
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't even have the rat from The Departed

938
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.599
<v Speaker 1>on there. Has he even seen sim that rat?

939
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I hate that movie.

940
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 1>That's the best rat of all time.

941
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I think they were okay, clearly I'm in the minority there.

942
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm one of the few people that don't like The

943
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 2>depart especially in this fucking area. I think there were

944
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 2>people that really enjoyed the movie, and then when they

945
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:45.840
<v Speaker 2>got to the end and saw that, were like, come on,

946
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 2>why'd you have to do that? What the fuck? We

947
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.000
<v Speaker 2>get it, We understood it. The whole movie is about.

948
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Rats, all right. So Keith's Mouse Rushmore was Mickey Mouse,

949
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Speedy, Gonzales and Mighty Mouse.

950
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.079
<v Speaker 2>I might remove Speedy for a fourth there, but that's

951
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 2>three or four pretty good.

952
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I personally went the basle of Baker Street, Fifle Gadget

953
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:15.519
<v Speaker 1>from Chippendale and Pinky. But you could substitute Pinky with

954
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the brain.

955
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 2>I think I might go Pinky or the brain over Speedy,

956
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 2>and that might be my four. I like Keief's three, though.

957
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm all in on basle of Baker Street. So give

958
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.280
<v Speaker 1>me him. You cannot take him out of mind.

959
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 2>You are a big, flightful guy.

960
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Feifel Mouskowitz not only an American tail. But when he

961
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 1>goes west, there you go. And then Wesley Burho pointed out, like,

962
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>why don't you have Bernard in there? From the rescuers?

963
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 1>And I made the point sometimes in life you have

964
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 1>to make tough choices.

965
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.239
<v Speaker 2>It's a great point real life.

966
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Lesson Davey's Mount rat More, I can tell you right

967
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 1>now I have it here somewhere was let's see, he

968
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:55.719
<v Speaker 1>had Master Splinter. I agree, Ratatui Rizzo the rat.

969
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 2>So I will say, I'm pretty sure Rattitude is a mouse.

970
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a rat.

971
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 2>I think he's a mouse.

972
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.760
<v Speaker 1>And he had Templeton from Charlotte's Web. That's the number

973
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.719
<v Speaker 1>one rat. By the way, that's a good one, a

974
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.360
<v Speaker 1>fair as a veritable smart guess Barrig, smart guess Barck,

975
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 1>smart guess Bark.

976
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I know Ratituuhi gives off rat vibe.

977
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:14.639
<v Speaker 1>But that's the name of the dish.

978
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm pretty sure Remy is a mouse.

979
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know enough about the situation to disagree with you.

980
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.800
<v Speaker 1>So I'll also say this though, is at Disney World.

981
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:28.039
<v Speaker 1>At Epcot, they are really all in on Remy the rat.

982
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.519
<v Speaker 1>I'll say rat right now. But Remy, like ratituey stuff

983
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.760
<v Speaker 1>is all over Epcot, and I wasn't. I know that

984
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 1>it's a good movie. I actually like it, like more

985
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.920
<v Speaker 1>than most Pixar movies. But I was surprised.

986
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at Remy, he's probably a rat, okay.

987
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>But I was surprised by how much Remy was used

988
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:46.400
<v Speaker 1>at Epcot.

989
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you would think you wouldn't want to lean into

990
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the rodent in all of your characters, but it worked

991
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:52.239
<v Speaker 2>for Mickey.

992
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.440
<v Speaker 1>But I'm also thinking more of like, like you want

993
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 1>to put your most popular characters on there?

994
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Many Justice for many Nah.

995
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.079
<v Speaker 1>How about any of his kids? Do they have any kids?

996
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Because you know, when you think of like kid Disney stars,

997
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.639
<v Speaker 1>you think of Huey, Dewey, Louie. They're all ducks, though.

998
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 1>You think of Max Max Goof, You know Max Goof

999
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>goofy Son.

1000
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1001
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 1>I can't name of any of Mickey's kids.

1002
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.559
<v Speaker 2>If you had to name a female and male offspring

1003
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 2>for Mickey and Minnie, what would you name him?

1004
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:28.280
<v Speaker 1>You don't say Mortimer because I think that's the original.

1005
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Name of Mickey Mortimer mouse.

1006
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Or is that Minnie's friend Mortimer?

1007
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1008
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you have to go m right?

1009
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Mickey Minnie mouse?

1010
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have to mac and Macarna.

1011
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Michael mouse. Doesn't it too much? No? Uh? Major? Major

1012
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 2>be cool name for a guy. I know.

1013
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 1>If I was naming a mouse and I was still

1014
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.039
<v Speaker 1>a kid, I'd probably name a mousey mouse or something

1015
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 1>like that. I was really creative. My stuffed animal Raccoon's

1016
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 1>name was Raccoony.

1017
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I wish you'd come up with rack cooney, if only,

1018
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:06.440
<v Speaker 2>if only, which dives back in to ratititui?

1019
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1020
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:07.800
<v Speaker 2>There you goll circle.

1021
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.599
<v Speaker 1>All right, So that'll do it for this week. Check

1022
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 1>us out at the top of next week for a

1023
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:16.320
<v Speaker 1>wicked and uh then a fun Thanksgiving episode hit A

1024
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 1>bit up now It's time for girls jumping on trampolines.

1025
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Tuesdays are Goosdays and Tim Burton I just had a stroke.

1026
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Bye.

1027
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue

1028
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trampolines.