Speaker 1: Mac versus wild. We have three competitors who could be
Speaker 1: going up against you. You are in one corner. In
Speaker 1: the other corner of the coliseum, Mac, would you rather
Speaker 1: see a big teethed monkey, a rhino or sharks?
Speaker 2: So for sure not the rhino. Let's rule the rhino
Speaker 2: in really yeah, for sure not the rhino. That thing
Speaker 2: would fucking you've got. There's a zero percent chance you
Speaker 2: can beat a rhino.
Speaker 1: I step in, May I step in. I think the
Speaker 1: rhino is the dumbest and clumsiest. I might take the
Speaker 1: rhino use my agility.
Speaker 2: You would be dead in a second.
Speaker 1: All I had to do was throw sand in its
Speaker 1: face stand attack.
Speaker 2: Uh. The sharks is interesting because like, if you fall
Speaker 2: into the water, you're not gonna win, but maybe you
Speaker 2: could poach it from above. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: feel great about it.
Speaker 1: Well, are we also saying what the shark? That someone
Speaker 1: else is attacking you from on land and you could
Speaker 1: be knocked into the water. So it's a second obstacle.
Speaker 2: Not great, not great. Whatever scenario with the shark is
Speaker 2: not great. The monkey is also not enjoyable, especially if
Speaker 2: it's got large, large toofs tul and it's all yoked up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you're losing in all three scenarios. I think you
Speaker 2: would have the best shot to get one of these monkeys,
Speaker 2: especially if you're chained up with a chain. But I'm
Speaker 2: telling you you're you're going oh for three because you
Speaker 2: can't go you can't you can't kill the rhino, You
Speaker 2: probably can't kill the shark. You would have a chance
Speaker 2: of killing a monkey. You wouldn't feel good about it.
Speaker 1: The monkey that is in this movie are like giant
Speaker 1: zombie monkeys that are your size.
Speaker 2: They were like baboon almost.
Speaker 1: Giant teeth, and they're very, very strong, and they're out
Speaker 1: for blood. They know what they're doing. They understand murder,
Speaker 1: and they're cool with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But once they realized there was an alpha in
Speaker 2: the ring, things flipped.
Speaker 1: You think a monkey is gonna look at you and
Speaker 1: say that's the alpha.
Speaker 2: It was bite his forearm.
Speaker 1: I guess even one of these dude.
Speaker 2: Some of the funniest videos, by the way, uh people
Speaker 2: at the zoo going like this to monkeys and monkeys
Speaker 2: flip it out.
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't recommend that.
Speaker 2: I think if there's an animal that could scale a
Speaker 2: zoo wall, it would be a monkey. Right.
Speaker 1: If there's an animal that could take the bars of
Speaker 1: a jail cell and stretching them open like this and
Speaker 1: then get out, it's a monkey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going over three in this scenario, no doubt.
Speaker 1: One Do three? Yeah, job three, King of Queen Mall Street,
Speaker 1: n dam go And I'm Mac and we have our
Speaker 1: sandals on and we're playing with wheats, and we are
Speaker 1: ready to pull out our swords and gingerly touch tips.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What a what a great description of our experience
Speaker 2: watching Gladiator too. Yeah this past week and Goo, let
Speaker 2: me tell you, well, first of all, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on the original Gladiator? Just set the stage here.
Speaker 1: Classic.
Speaker 2: It is a classic.
Speaker 1: It's a classic movie.
Speaker 2: It's not one of my all time favorites, but it's
Speaker 2: a classic, right.
Speaker 1: And also it's one of those movies that crosses over
Speaker 1: between blockbuster and Academy Award type movie.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, it has mass appeal for sure, And it
Speaker 2: was a movie that, like when we were kids, it
Speaker 2: was always like, you know, short before eight Mile came out,
Speaker 2: of course, Gladiator was a lot of kids favorite movie.
Speaker 1: It also is a movie that has an all time
Speaker 1: character played by a movie star whereas like sometimes you
Speaker 1: know it's a guy that's like up and coming kind
Speaker 1: of fades away. Russell Crowe is one of those all
Speaker 1: time movie stars and to that point.
Speaker 2: You got the second aspect there, you got the up
Speaker 2: and coming Joaquin Phoenix with an all time villain as well.
Speaker 2: So it was a great competition.
Speaker 1: Oh and also the action in the first one is
Speaker 1: outstanding and the pacing doll it well. I think the
Speaker 1: pacing between the action is also crucial to where it
Speaker 1: lets you take in the action, sit back a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then another great scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great revenge story. It's it's a really good movie.
Speaker 1: Great end of the movie as well.
Speaker 2: And so this movie, that movie came out in the
Speaker 2: year two thousand. This movie comes out twenty four years later,
Speaker 2: and it's set twenty years later. And basically we'll get
Speaker 2: into this further, but basically what this movie does was like, Hey,
Speaker 2: you liked Gladiator, here's more of that, but less good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hey, you know that giant wear its shadow.
Speaker 2: I just I was hoping for more. And there's a
Speaker 2: character in here played by Denzel Washington that was legitimately
Speaker 2: intriguing and interesting, and there's some there's a lot of
Speaker 2: shit going on in the Roman Empire, and we just
Speaker 2: really honed in on the same little thing and it
Speaker 2: was a little bothersome.
Speaker 1: But also people keep on making this point of like, well,
Speaker 1: did this movie need to get made? I would argue
Speaker 1: that most things don't need to get made. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: So like the answer is like, probably no. But also
Speaker 1: it's entertaining enough that you're not mad that it was made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yes, and I'm not mad, but I'm like
Speaker 2: it felt lazy because the story you writes itself and
Speaker 2: they literally added nothing more to it. Right, So at
Speaker 2: the end of the First Gladiator, Marcus Aurelis's Maxim, sorry,
Speaker 2: Maximus's illegitimate son, yes, from the princess or queen. I
Speaker 2: don't know what you would call our empress.
Speaker 1: She's a queen now she's a queen.
Speaker 2: Is alive Lucius and obviously Communist is dead as well,
Speaker 2: so he's in play, right, And so there's like a
Speaker 2: natural story to build here, which is the they go down.
Speaker 2: They just like it's so basic and so simple and
Speaker 2: there's no frills.
Speaker 1: To me, I'll say this though, credit to me going
Speaker 1: into the movie, I did not see the trailer that
Speaker 1: reveals that he is Maximus's son, and I didn't read
Speaker 1: any of the SYNOPSI I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: Dude. They literally when mezcal Is casted, they said he
Speaker 2: was playing Maximus.
Speaker 1: I didn't read any of it, so I didn't know,
Speaker 1: so like going like like, that's a decent little reveal,
Speaker 1: and then I read everything after him, like oh they.
Speaker 2: Told us, Yeah, it was explicit that this is what
Speaker 2: the story was going to.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they should have withheld that reveal.
Speaker 2: No, I I like because when you think back to
Speaker 2: the end of the First Gladiator, that's like the unsolved
Speaker 2: thing there, right, So they both die in the middle
Speaker 2: of the ring. Lucius is in play, so it's like
Speaker 2: a natural evolution, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean this movie had to add some more to him,
Speaker 1: like well done, he ran away and now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stupid, like it could have just been better. They
Speaker 2: didn't need to make him do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: They didn't need to fridge his wife like they did
Speaker 1: in the first movie. These aren't spoilers, by the way.
Speaker 1: That's it's the first five minutes of the movie. But
Speaker 1: that first I will say this though, is that first
Speaker 1: battle scene when they're hucking fireballs back and forth, and
Speaker 1: Pedro Pascal is like, I hate war, but he's also smirking,
Speaker 1: like I'm really good at this. I'm like that this
Speaker 1: is fun. This is still fun stuff.
Speaker 2: That was the most fun and best action in the
Speaker 2: whole movie. Yes, the Colisseum stuff was because you're.
Speaker 1: Sitting back home like I would have fought this animal differently.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the CGI, go the CGI. This movie
Speaker 2: was dog water.
Speaker 1: It was fucking I didn't mind the rhino. The sharks
Speaker 1: weren't great.
Speaker 2: Rhino was okay because it was one the monkey's.
Speaker 1: Yelling in my face, the horrible stop so bad.
Speaker 2: And the couple times we saw like some mortal wounds
Speaker 2: or for example, an arm getting cut off that CGI
Speaker 2: was bad too.
Speaker 1: That wasn't great. And before we get to the nut
Speaker 1: and bold something that and I found out the day
Speaker 1: after that might hurt. My viewing of this movie is
Speaker 1: across the hall from me was a viewing of the
Speaker 1: movie Why two K that I passed on to see
Speaker 1: Gladiator two. And because I don't know how to read
Speaker 1: in the email it even said Kyle Mooney will be
Speaker 1: at this screening, I missed out on meeting Kyle Mooney.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle Mooney is a soulmate of yours.
Speaker 1: I think I would have I would have brought up
Speaker 1: Brigsby Bear, and then I would have quoted every Bruce
Speaker 1: Chandling joke that I know. Like, I would have said
Speaker 1: to him like, hey, I didn't realize you were going
Speaker 1: to be here because I don't know how to read cursive.
Speaker 1: And then he'd be like, you don't know how to
Speaker 1: read cursive to read an email, I'll be like, well,
Speaker 1: I also don't know how to read regular either.
Speaker 2: Good. Yes, Mac Gladiator two is in R rated epen epen.
Speaker 2: There you go, epen epic. I need an EpiPen after
Speaker 2: watching it. Epic action adventure.
Speaker 1: What were you allergic to?
Speaker 2: I just need a little boost of adrenaline.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Subgenres here goo action epic adventure, epic period drama, and
Speaker 2: now my new favorite subgenre, go Sword and Sandy, Sword
Speaker 2: and Sandal, Sword and Sandal movie.
Speaker 1: When I was watching it, I was like, Sword and
Speaker 1: Sandal wise, it's not at the Gladiator level, but it's
Speaker 1: at the level of the Sword and Sandal movies that
Speaker 1: followed Gladiator.
Speaker 2: Gladiator, I guess would maybe be the gold standard for
Speaker 2: that type of movie. This movie is more in the
Speaker 2: Troy realm of movies, right where it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: did a couple of good things, but ultimately it wasn't
Speaker 2: that good.
Speaker 1: It introduced some interesting characters, but you wanted them to
Speaker 1: kind of go elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. The two best characters in this movie
Speaker 2: don't get as much screen time as.
Speaker 1: They And also the guys that you are meant to
Speaker 1: root against, there's nothing redeemable about them. So you want
Speaker 1: that thin line of like do I like this bad guy? No,
Speaker 1: there's nothing good about these bad guys.
Speaker 2: Dude. This movie's projected for sixty five to seventy five
Speaker 2: million in opening weekend here, which will be second reportedly?
Speaker 1: Is that a drop from the opening forecast? I have
Speaker 1: no idea, because I think the opening forecast might have
Speaker 1: been around ninety Okay.
Speaker 2: All right, And uh, Wicked is projected for one twenty
Speaker 2: to one forty. And if you're thinking back to Barbenheimer,
Speaker 2: I believe Oppenheimer made eighty or ninety ye, Barbie made
Speaker 2: like one twenty or one forty or one fifty or
Speaker 2: something like that huge weekend coo you give your hand raised.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Wicked tops one to fifty
Speaker 1: or even gets closer, like to like the crazy crazy numbers.
Speaker 1: Like it is. It's doing so well with the critics,
Speaker 1: with the people that a lot of people have already
Speaker 1: seen it though, but like that movie, what a Deadpool make?
Speaker 1: Deadpool made it like a ridiculous in their first week,
Speaker 1: and it might be around there.
Speaker 2: I don't remember what Deadpool made. Yeah, so Wicked that
Speaker 2: is doing extremely well in both metris, audience and critics.
Speaker 2: This movie's doing solid in those metrics. So if there
Speaker 2: are people going to the theater this weekend making their
Speaker 2: decision based.
Speaker 1: One hundred and five million opening weekends.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it won't get it won't get there.
Speaker 1: It might get around two hundred, It might do it.
Speaker 2: It won't get that high.
Speaker 1: You know why it won't. You're right, it's too long.
Speaker 2: It is longer than this movie somehow.
Speaker 1: So maybe can they show it less? Like they won't
Speaker 1: be able to get that extra screening in because of the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of it. Yeah, Uh, what do I know?
Speaker 2: This movie? It has a run time of one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty eight minutes, so essentially two and a half hours,
Speaker 2: and you do feel it. You do feel it. It's
Speaker 2: it's weird though it's not very well.
Speaker 1: No, because at points it feels too long, but then
Speaker 1: at the end it feels too rushed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's bizarre for sure.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to get issue. Are Ridley
Speaker 1: Scott cut though, where it's like an extra half an
Speaker 1: hour long? No, I'm being serious and it it kind
Speaker 1: of feels better at the end, like it feels more.
Speaker 2: Though. We'll talk about Ridley Scott a second, because I
Speaker 2: think we're sort of figuring out that he ain't got
Speaker 2: it no more.
Speaker 1: I would argue that he would say that you're a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: On Roddy Tea's Goose speaking of this has seventy one
Speaker 2: percent from the critics, eighty five percent from the ad audience,
Speaker 2: So in general, the majority of people are liking it.
Speaker 2: Compare that to the original movie that had eighty percent
Speaker 2: from the critics eighty seven percent from the audience. So
Speaker 2: people are just basically saying a step down from that movie.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't happen in real life. It's not really life.
Speaker 2: I would say it's probably two or three steps down.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On Metacritic of sixty three, the original got a sixty seven.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's a baseline, solid movie. It just feels
Speaker 2: lazy because it was like it should have been better.
Speaker 1: Not my hot Dog hand. It's a C plus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might even I might even venture down into
Speaker 2: like the C minus range. It's in that. It's in
Speaker 2: that range. I don't I don't know if i'd go
Speaker 2: C plus but maybe maybe it's it's in the sea range.
Speaker 1: Either way, dude.
Speaker 2: This movie is written by Peter Craig, who've we've had
Speaker 2: we talked about a couple of times now. Recently he
Speaker 2: wrote The Town, Hunger Games, mocking Jay Parts one and two,
Speaker 2: Bad Boys for Life, The Batman, and Top Gun Mavericks.
Speaker 2: So he's really starting to do these twenty year later
Speaker 2: later sequels you get Bad Boys for Life, Top Gun,
Speaker 2: and now this.
Speaker 1: Four Legacy sequel. Wise, I think this is like right
Speaker 1: on the line of what it should be. It shouldn't
Speaker 1: be any worse than this, and it could have been
Speaker 1: a lot better.
Speaker 2: To me, it's like, it's got to be better than
Speaker 2: this if we're gonna make these movies, right, this just
Speaker 2: is like all right, fine, I'm not mad it got made,
Speaker 2: but it should be better.
Speaker 1: Because I would argue that this is right around, if
Speaker 1: not slightly better than Beatlejuice, Beetlejuice.
Speaker 2: No, Beetlejuice. Beatle Juice was much better than that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was much better than this, but
Speaker 2: you also had sky high expectations.
Speaker 1: But also, once again, nowhere near Top Gun Maverick. But
Speaker 1: Top Gun Maverick has the has the leg up on
Speaker 1: every other legacy sequel because the first Top Gun is terrible.
Speaker 2: You're right if that's helped that the second movie is
Speaker 2: better than.
Speaker 1: The it's way better. It's like, you know how the
Speaker 1: first Gladiator is at a completely different level than what
Speaker 1: this is. Yeah, it's the other way around. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say that Gladiator too is better than the first
Speaker 1: Top Gun movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, we should do legacy sequels now, is
Speaker 1: it better than the first Top Gun?
Speaker 2: Goude. The second writer on this movie is David Scarpa. Uh.
Speaker 2: He's been a really scott guy. He wrote The Day
Speaker 2: of the Earth's The Day the Earth Stood Still, All
Speaker 2: the Money in the World, and that crappy Napoleon movie
Speaker 2: that came out last year. Upcoming he's doing the Cleopatra movie,
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: He's who's directing Cleopatra.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe really Scott, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Well, it wouldn't be an attachment to Napoleon. It'd be
Speaker 1: way ahead of time, way behind, unless we do time
Speaker 1: travel like the original Gladiator Too was supposed to do.
Speaker 2: I didn't see Napoleon. Maybe they introduced time travel on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, Redley Scott wouldn't be against that. Speaking of
Speaker 1: the release, were you there? Do you fucking know?
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to run through Ridley Scott's illustrious
Speaker 2: career and he is one of the all time great directors. However,
Speaker 2: goo and I did a quick peek here. I don't
Speaker 2: think I've really really liked the Ridley Scott movie in
Speaker 2: seventeen years. American Gangster was the last one I really
Speaker 2: really liked.
Speaker 1: I didn't even love American Gangster.
Speaker 2: So before that, it probably was what's the one that
Speaker 2: came out after Gladiator? It was Gladiator? And then he
Speaker 2: had won in oh one that I liked too, and
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of it escapes me. So
Speaker 2: we're talking. Maybe if you didn't love American Gangster it's
Speaker 2: been twenty plus years since Scott's done a great movie.
Speaker 1: But also he's one of my favorite directors because he
Speaker 1: yells at us so much.
Speaker 2: Well, like, he does have the resume, and he has
Speaker 2: plenty of all time great movies. I just don't think
Speaker 2: he has it anymore. And that's a common thing with
Speaker 2: most directors.
Speaker 1: He might be on the mount rushmore of modern day directors.
Speaker 1: Like when I say modern day, I mean like post
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be hard to argue against his resume for sure.
Speaker 1: Hammering.
Speaker 2: So, the one thing I'll say about Riley Scott is
Speaker 2: the movies that don't crush it, like the Alien sequels,
Speaker 2: for example, are still solid movies. He's so it's like baseline,
Speaker 2: You're getting an okay experience. You know, he's not making
Speaker 2: complete dog.
Speaker 1: Shit, right, But he also like jumps in and out
Speaker 1: of the Alien franchise, though it's not all him.
Speaker 2: Agreed. We agree of Gladiator too. After his home is
Speaker 2: conquered by the tyrannical Empress who now lead Rome, Lucius
Speaker 2: is forced to enter the coliseum and must look to
Speaker 2: his past to find strength to return the glory of
Speaker 2: Rome to its people.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could just swap out Lucius with Maximus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again this movie is it's not bad though
Speaker 2: it's not. But because it's so lazy, I wouldn't blame
Speaker 2: someone if they called it bad, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't build it out any further. It
Speaker 2: just takes the blueprint from the first one. And I
Speaker 2: was thinking about this because we have talked about, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, fan service, just get where fans give us
Speaker 2: what we like. But if you take a movie that's
Speaker 2: twenty four years in the making and give us a
Speaker 2: movie that does the same things as its first movie,
Speaker 2: but worse, that's not the same, that is not the same.
Speaker 1: I think it almost is like it could have been
Speaker 1: a bridge if they had cut the movie off around
Speaker 1: the two hour mark, that it could have been a
Speaker 1: bridge to a really good third movie in the trilogy
Speaker 1: if they wanted to do that. But they kind of
Speaker 1: killed off some stuff at the end that got rid
Speaker 1: of that unless they want to start time traveling again.
Speaker 2: The two thousand and one really Scott movie I was
Speaker 2: thinking of was Blackhawk Down.
Speaker 1: Oh that is a good one, that's a great one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, would.
Speaker 1: You put that on the Mount Rushmore of TNT movies.
Speaker 2: That's a yeah, it's like a perfect it's.
Speaker 1: A Saturday afternoon TNT movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's probably how most of us watched it
Speaker 2: when we were younger, because we were, well.
Speaker 1: You know what, we should do a podcast on that
Speaker 1: best basic cable movie.
Speaker 2: Anything with Jeremy Renner, The Bourne.
Speaker 1: Movies, Nicholas Cage late nineties. Yes, yeah, wow, Okay, we
Speaker 1: got something.
Speaker 2: This movie stars Connie Nielsen as Lucilla, reprising her role
Speaker 2: from the first movie. She of course had the baby
Speaker 2: out of wedlock with Maximus in the first movie. Paul
Speaker 2: Mezcala is Lucius, the aforementioned Lucius, who is Maximus's illegitimate son,
Speaker 2: Lucilla's son. Denzel Washington as Macrinus, who, first of all,
Speaker 2: I gotta give him a little credit. He's not totally
Speaker 2: denzeling it up. He's doing it. He's playing the character
Speaker 2: enough and to me, by far, the most interesting character
Speaker 2: in this movie. And we don't get nearly enough of
Speaker 2: how he came to.
Speaker 1: Be right, and also we can't really describe his character
Speaker 1: without spoiling. So the one thing that I will say
Speaker 1: about him is the worst part of this entire movie
Speaker 1: is his kissing sound effect. It made my skin crawl
Speaker 1: every single time.
Speaker 2: He kisses a lot of hands in this movie.
Speaker 1: That's firsture. But with the sound though, juicy lipsco Have
Speaker 1: you not considered Denzel's.
Speaker 2: Big fan of CarMax. Uh No, not Carmex, CarMax, CarMax.
Speaker 2: That what it's called the yellow tube shit Coo. Pedro
Speaker 2: Pascal as Marcus as Ass I think I think that's
Speaker 2: how he said. Joseph Quinn as Emperor Ghetta and then
Speaker 2: this was the funniest moment of the movie to me
Speaker 2: because I didn't realize there was gonna be a second eper.
Speaker 2: I thought they did a CGI version of a smaller
Speaker 2: Joseph Quinn. Uh Fred Heckinger as the smaller Emperor Caracalla
Speaker 2: and laugh out loud the way he looks. He's a diminutive,
Speaker 2: diminutive fella.
Speaker 1: When they first hopped on the screen, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's the mc boyles. Nice. But then as the movie
Speaker 1: kept on going and they kept on adding makeup to
Speaker 1: them and they're you know, they're big rosy cheeks, you
Speaker 1: know from the Syphilis. I was like, they look just
Speaker 1: like Stuart from Matt TV both of them what it
Speaker 1: was a smaller version.
Speaker 2: What I can do talk.
Speaker 1: Let the gods decide. The only smaller one sorry, the
Speaker 1: smaller one also looked like Yeah. He also looked like
Speaker 1: Timmy from Passions, who was a doll.
Speaker 2: The only other two characters whose names you would probably
Speaker 2: need to remember from this movie are Tim McInerney as
Speaker 2: three X Thrax three X I don't even remember what
Speaker 2: they called him in the movie. And Alexander kareim A
Speaker 2: is Rovi. He's the doctor of the glad. Oh.
Speaker 1: I liked him. Actually, he was a good character. I
Speaker 1: liked him a lot.
Speaker 2: He was a good character. But they just used him
Speaker 2: for Lucius to give us, you know, some like backstory stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, this doesn't spoil my favorite part of the movie.
Speaker 1: I actually cackled. No one else laughed. Everyone in my
Speaker 1: fucking stupid my theater was an idiot. Is when he
Speaker 1: goes and does something, and he goes and finds a soldier.
Speaker 1: He runs up and he pushes another soldier out of
Speaker 1: the way, And the way that he did it was
Speaker 1: the funniest thing in the movie. He's like, get out here,
Speaker 1: like one handed shove.
Speaker 2: Uh kut. I had I wouldn't say high expectations for
Speaker 2: this movie. When this movie was announced, I expected almost
Speaker 2: nothing because we're talking about twenty four year later sequel. However,
Speaker 2: once we saw the trailers, were like, oh, we got
Speaker 2: something here, and that built up a little bit of intrigue,
Speaker 2: and so I had reasonable expectations. I felt like and
Speaker 2: I felt like this fell short of those expectations.
Speaker 1: I think it met right what I was expecting. I
Speaker 1: was expecting middling.
Speaker 2: You were expecting the laziest version of this movie possible.
Speaker 1: And while it was middling, let me finish, I was
Speaker 1: entertained enough. It was definitely clunky at points. The pasin
Speaker 1: was a bit off, the fighting in it was not
Speaker 1: at the caliber of the first movie. The characters, I
Speaker 1: don't think we're at the caliber of the first movie.
Speaker 1: And this movie was also too reliant on Hey, you
Speaker 1: guys like that first movie? No we do? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Should I just go watch that one instead?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was that, And then I think they were
Speaker 2: really banking on their colosseum scenes hitting and it just
Speaker 2: didn't for me. They didn't hit at all. They were
Speaker 2: fucking like.
Speaker 1: Also, woop is the timeline of this movie? How long
Speaker 1: does it take to fill the Colisseum with water and
Speaker 1: then also drain the water and not have it, you know,
Speaker 1: have that flood look to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I question the viability of that, and also.
Speaker 1: Well they used to do that. They used to actually
Speaker 1: do the like the water boat fights and a.
Speaker 2: Different era of the Colosseum.
Speaker 1: Though as we discovered it, it's all one thing. You
Speaker 1: weren't there.
Speaker 2: No, I like the idea of it. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 2: The sharks looked like fucking shit, which were not even
Speaker 2: as bad as the monkeys, So there was there was
Speaker 2: just a lot of issues in that respect, and I
Speaker 2: think they were hoping that those would be the tenth
Speaker 2: polls of the movie, these three Colosseum scenes, and they.
Speaker 1: Were all I understand why they added the sharks because
Speaker 1: like thinking about, okay, adding sharks, so this is cool,
Speaker 1: but you didn't really need the sharks. The soldiers that
Speaker 1: are being shot or bow and arrowed in falling into
Speaker 1: the water, they're gonna die anyways, so the sharks are
Speaker 1: kind of pointless. I thought one of those sharks was
Speaker 1: gonna breach the boat. You know how, in the year
Speaker 1: two thousand we discovered that sharks can jump out of
Speaker 1: the water and you know, fly into the sun or
Speaker 1: whatever the hell they do, specifically in the year two
Speaker 1: thousand and a year two thousand. In the year two thousand,
Speaker 1: I thought we're gonna had some fucking breaching sharks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that maybe would have been cooler than what we got.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just wasn't.
Speaker 1: The people in the water were already dead.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought there was three really good characters in this movie,
Speaker 2: two of which we didn't get enough streak time.
Speaker 1: Of Were they really good or just good?
Speaker 2: No, really good okay, but should have but didn't add
Speaker 2: to two didn't add much to the movie because we
Speaker 2: didn't get enough background for them. Uh. Paul mezcal As Lucius,
Speaker 2: I thought was very good. It was I haven't seen
Speaker 2: him before. I know he's been around these last couple
Speaker 2: of years, but I haven't really seen anything he's been in.
Speaker 2: I thought that worked out well.
Speaker 1: It's also not fair to compare him to Maximus.
Speaker 2: No, No, not at all.
Speaker 1: Because if you are, it's you know, not really close.
Speaker 2: Sure. The two best characters in this movie to me
Speaker 2: by a mile, where Denzel Washington's Macrinus and Joseph Quinn's
Speaker 2: Emperor Ghetta and we get some of Macrinus we don't.
Speaker 2: We get a little bit of his background when he's
Speaker 2: you know, when he's talking to Lucius later in the movie.
Speaker 2: But once you learn like where he was and who
Speaker 2: he became and his story, that was the most interesting
Speaker 2: part of the movie. And I felt like that should
Speaker 2: have been the driving factor of the movie because in
Speaker 2: the third act, that is the driving factor of what's
Speaker 2: going on. But the problem is they didn't build out
Speaker 2: that character enough to us for us to really care.
Speaker 2: And on top of it, Joseph Quinn plays a great
Speaker 2: son of a bitch, but there's just not enough of him.
Speaker 1: We needed more, but there's nothing redeemable about him though,
Speaker 1: so it's like, oh, he's just the son of a bit.
Speaker 2: But that's fine because you have Macronus, who is that
Speaker 2: sort of borderline character, or at least at first you're
Speaker 2: not really sure what his intentions are. So you have
Speaker 2: the established son of a bitch in the established good
Speaker 2: guy and Macronus somewhere in the middle, and they just
Speaker 2: didn't play upon that enough, because again, this is a
Speaker 2: really lazily written movie.
Speaker 1: I also would have liked a lot more from Pedro
Speaker 1: Pascal's character. I think there was more to tell there
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you knew, like the minute the things got going,
Speaker 2: you knew where his story was gonna end up.
Speaker 1: Shall we get into the none? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And also enough for nothing. Connie Nilsen, she wasn't great.
Speaker 2: She wasn't great. Okay, she was okay, I guess she
Speaker 2: wasn't great.
Speaker 1: Fun factor. I loved the battle at the beginning, and
Speaker 1: I will accept the rhino fight. I thought the monkey
Speaker 1: fight was pretty ridiculous, but I did like Mescal's you know,
Speaker 1: creed like training sequences. They weren't as like crazy he
Speaker 1: as a rocky movie, but there were some things of
Speaker 1: like this guy just won't stop.
Speaker 2: You know what. The coolest thing this whole movie was,
Speaker 2: which tell me that happened in the first one too,
Speaker 2: is them running up the stairs to the coliseum the
Speaker 2: way Mescal hops around, the way that Russell Crowe did
Speaker 2: it twenty four years ago. Awesome, looks cool. This movie
Speaker 2: attempts to have a lot of fun. For me, it
Speaker 2: didn't really happen. But you're right that opening fight scene
Speaker 2: when Pascal is leading his army to Mescal in that
Speaker 2: African country, that was great. I wanted more of that,
Speaker 2: you know what? That felt like? Aqual World, water World,
Speaker 2: water World. There you go.
Speaker 1: Do you even know the name of your own favorite movie?
Speaker 2: I was looking. I was looking at the aquater World
Speaker 2: here acle World. Better title for a sequel than Gladiator, too,
Speaker 2: although I do like that they used the Roman numeral
Speaker 2: you know because.
Speaker 1: But it also confused me because it turned Gladiator into
Speaker 1: Gladiator with two eyes true, okay, uh satisfactor hmm. We
Speaker 1: got where we needed to go, but really had a
Speaker 1: tough time getting there by the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I so because because Maximus dies in the first movie,
Speaker 2: you know exactly what's not gonna happen in this movie,
Speaker 2: and that makes the end really predictable, and so there's
Speaker 2: not much satisfying that occurs here.
Speaker 1: Borometer hmmm. I don't know if I was ever truly
Speaker 1: bored during my first time watching this movie. I would
Speaker 1: expect that I would never watch this again, and if
Speaker 1: I did, I would be very bored. But my first
Speaker 1: time through, I was decently intrigued throughout.
Speaker 2: Uh. I closed my eyes a couple times during this movie,
Speaker 2: just for a brief minute brief Now. Granted, I was
Speaker 2: a tie tie boy when I when I saw it,
Speaker 2: Who are you me? I was bored. I was bored
Speaker 2: a couple times during this movie, and like the overarching
Speaker 2: revenge story and is like, innately a good story if
Speaker 2: they had added anything more to it than what we
Speaker 2: got in the first one. So I don't know, I
Speaker 2: was just boring, predictable.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know it's bad. I've now gone two straight
Speaker 1: movies where I had to pee in the middle of
Speaker 1: the movie. I got up and went to the bathroom. Jesus,
Speaker 1: I know I had gone. I had a cal ripkin
Speaker 1: like streak of not peeing during movies, and now I
Speaker 1: am just I'm a regular ever Damian.
Speaker 2: Everhuford Bathom Durio movie.
Speaker 1: Well, I've done it twice now in a row. It's
Speaker 1: two really long movies though.
Speaker 2: So Simmons is old.
Speaker 1: Simmons is old. Am I just getting old? Oh Halloween?
Speaker 1: Will your interest in this movie wane over time? I'll
Speaker 1: rewatch the first one again.
Speaker 2: Uh, my interest has already weaned. In the one day
Speaker 2: since I've seen it. I was like, this movie's not bad,
Speaker 2: this movie is solid, And then now I'm here like
Speaker 2: I don't really like I didn't really like the movie.
Speaker 2: I don't think I didn't. I didn't. I hate it.
Speaker 2: So it's winging, it's free falling currently. I'm glad we're
Speaker 2: recording today not tomorrow, because it might be fucking sinking tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Speaking of sinking, a quater world. Is this better than
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety five classic water World?
Speaker 2: I mean, technically yes, but it's in the same range
Speaker 2: quite honestly, Like this movie, water World has probably more
Speaker 2: fun than this movie has.
Speaker 1: Which would make a better stage playld oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This would be pretty good at people dressing up like
Speaker 1: animals and like five people in a giant rhino costume.
Speaker 2: Because I would love to see a stage play where
Speaker 2: there's just like an ocean on stage at all times.
Speaker 1: All Right, credit union, who you're given credit to?
Speaker 2: I guess Denzel right, Denzel is like carries this movie
Speaker 2: at points, and this is the most interesting character. But
Speaker 2: I don't know. I almost don't want to give him
Speaker 2: cdit because there wasn't enough of him. But that's not
Speaker 2: his fault.
Speaker 1: When life gives you plemings, you make Jesse plemonade. And
Speaker 1: I think the doctor in this movie, in the little
Speaker 1: amount of time we go, it's pretty solid.
Speaker 2: Rav was pretty good. Yeah, a couple of good scenes there,
Speaker 2: but again the scenes are like kind of shoehorned in,
Speaker 2: So I didn't love him. I'll go Joseph Quinn here
Speaker 2: because we should have got more of him than when
Speaker 2: he was on screen screen. He was great. He played
Speaker 2: a really great unhinged.
Speaker 1: Bad guy pants ten City Excite bike Mania. What got
Speaker 1: you going in this movie? I really enjoyed that first battle,
Speaker 1: and everything else was good enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first battle was the best action sequence of
Speaker 2: the whole movie. And that comes what seven minutes in.
Speaker 1: Time out from the start of this podcast? Have you
Speaker 1: already changed your hot dog score on the dock?
Speaker 2: I have?
Speaker 1: What in the world is happening?
Speaker 2: I have? Yeah, it's I'll tell you it's free falling.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't really care for the rest of the movie
Speaker 2: one way or the other. It's that's why it's like,
Speaker 2: it's fine, it's boring, it's not bad. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm just a fucking poopy pants McGhee on
Speaker 2: this one. But I did care for Ito's it needed it.
Speaker 2: Tried for the pants tent scenes in the coliseum, they
Speaker 2: just didn't.
Speaker 1: It did try. It did try for the pantstent and
Speaker 1: I'll even say so, like, yes, the CGI is a
Speaker 1: little bit off in this, but I thought overall, though
Speaker 1: the set designs, the overall look at the coliseum, the
Speaker 1: costumes actually no credit union whoever did the costumes in
Speaker 1: this movie. Sure everyone looks great. Wouldn't you love a
Speaker 1: nice robe you can really let yourself air out.
Speaker 2: Denzel's costumes in particular, were magnificent.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you were to rank the costumes, Denzel's at
Speaker 1: the top, right, for sure, I would say Pedro Pascal
Speaker 1: had some very nice robes because he also because he's
Speaker 1: a soldier, so he would have like the shoulder pieces
Speaker 1: as well. I also, and we saw it in the
Speaker 1: commercial for it, but you know the armor that is
Speaker 1: eventually revealed, and yes it is, remember the first one.
Speaker 1: But the armor's pretty dope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, solid for sure, and a nice little flashback to
Speaker 2: when Maximus is talking to Lucius in the first movie
Speaker 2: about the arm and what the lions are khu As
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about this, By the way, you liked this
Speaker 2: more than Wicked.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I'm not a good judge of musicals. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's why you're gonna need to I might even turn
Speaker 1: my microphone off for the Wicked podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that I didn't love this movie is
Speaker 2: probably gonna guarantee that I'm gonna like Wicked more.
Speaker 1: I also like, I appreciate the cast of this movie
Speaker 1: not crying during all of their interviews, like the cast
Speaker 1: of Wicked. Have you seen their interviews?
Speaker 2: They're just having fun, you know, to know.
Speaker 1: They're all like we changed people's lives. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: but come on stop. For those of you tarty to
Speaker 1: the Mac and Goo party, we rate everything on a
Speaker 1: forty hot dog rating system, and Mac as someone who
Speaker 1: believes the First Gladiator is a classic. Yes, I'm in
Speaker 1: that boat. I am. No one else thinks that way
Speaker 1: besides me, But uh, this is definitely a step below.
Speaker 1: It's very retreatty, it's very hey remember this from the
Speaker 1: first one. It's a little clunky at points. The pacing,
Speaker 1: Like I thought the movie started out paced pretty well
Speaker 1: of getting back to Rome pretty quickly, getting into the
Speaker 1: coliseum quickly, and then they needed a lot of things
Speaker 1: to happen too quickly, so like it should have been
Speaker 1: paced out a little bit better. But the movie's also
Speaker 1: two and a half hours long, so I don't know
Speaker 1: what you want to do there. I liked a bunch
Speaker 1: of the characters, but none of them are close to
Speaker 1: the characters that we had in the first movie. I
Speaker 1: think the first movie, if you're tearing characters, would have
Speaker 1: two or three above what we got in this movie.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the characters in this movie are bad.
Speaker 1: The other ones are just better. And like Maximus is
Speaker 1: one of those, like he's one of those magnetic characters
Speaker 1: where like, even if the dialogue isn't there, the way
Speaker 1: that it's delivered is and I'm not sure this movie
Speaker 1: had anyone that could have done that. Mac I have
Speaker 1: this at thirty one hot dogs C plus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair score. So admittedly, when I left
Speaker 2: the theater, I was like, maybe he's that in the
Speaker 2: thirty two dog range, you know, I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and then I'm looking at the movies I've seen this
Speaker 2: year in that range, and I'm like, no, I liked
Speaker 2: all of those movies better. And then so now I'm
Speaker 2: trying to slot it in the year, and it just
Speaker 2: kept dropping, kept dropping, kept dropping, and the more I
Speaker 2: thought about it.
Speaker 1: Also, in my review right there in my Hot Dogs,
Speaker 1: I only said the negatives. I said some positives just
Speaker 1: before it, And it's the look of the movie. It's
Speaker 1: the overall, like grandiose rome that's there. It's the you know,
Speaker 1: the scope of the movie. I think it looks really
Speaker 1: really good, and I love the costume design, and I
Speaker 1: love how everyone really buys into, you know, the period
Speaker 1: piece that it is. I also love people hiding behind
Speaker 1: pillars and listening to secrets.
Speaker 2: I think the movie was acted well. From the three
Speaker 2: characters I've mentioned already, I think really the driving force
Speaker 2: behind the quote unquote good in this movie is the
Speaker 2: underlying story of revenge always plays out. But to me,
Speaker 2: they didn't add anything to it like this, This movie
Speaker 2: came in right here, like they wrote this baseline revenge
Speaker 2: story that we got the exact same thing in the
Speaker 2: first one of and they did they added nothing. So
Speaker 2: the movie never went up from there. And like the
Speaker 2: more I'm comparing it to movies we've seen this year
Speaker 2: and against itself from the past, the more it keeps
Speaker 2: dropping because it does feel lazy and it was boring
Speaker 2: and the set pieces didn't hit. So I have this
Speaker 2: at twenty nine hot Dogs. It's my number fifteen movie
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four it probably is like the start
Speaker 2: of the met tier, like a C minus range. It's
Speaker 2: it's okay. I don't think anyone's gonna hate this movie,
Speaker 2: but I think there's gonna be some people really disappointed
Speaker 2: in it because it doesn't nearly get to the highs
Speaker 2: of the first movie. And also, like, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: make these movies, these legacy sequels twenty four years later,
Speaker 2: you really need to have something like if this movie
Speaker 2: came out two years afterwards and it was a carbon
Speaker 2: copy of the first one, that's more fine than it
Speaker 2: is twenty four years late.
Speaker 1: No, but if that happened back then, it would have
Speaker 1: fallen into obscurity. I mean this one probably will too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this movie's going to be so okay.
Speaker 2: I think it gets killed more for being the same
Speaker 2: amount of lazy, but twenty four years later. So I
Speaker 2: just I didn't care for this movie. And it's a
Speaker 2: bummer and this is this is These are the types
Speaker 2: of movies I hate to review because I didn't enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I didn't hate it. It's just smack dab in the middle.
Speaker 1: Shall we spoil Let's get to it. Spoilers. Spiler spoilers.
Speaker 1: I will say about the revenge, It at least changes
Speaker 1: several times. And while we know that Denzel is up
Speaker 1: to something, we know that you know he's not just
Speaker 1: you know, he's not gonna help out Mescal. By the end,
Speaker 1: you are expecting the revenge to move from Mescal to
Speaker 1: the syphilis twins to like, maybe that's where it ends,
Speaker 1: but it does eventually. It's not the revenge on Denzel.
Speaker 1: I guess it is because Denzel kills his mom. By
Speaker 1: the way, When Denzel kills his mom, do you think
Speaker 1: that was just there to be like.
Speaker 2: Doesn't kill his mom, kills Luci's mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Lousi's mom. Do you think that was just
Speaker 1: to like tell the audience this is the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Just in case you guys missed it. This is the
Speaker 1: bad guy.
Speaker 2: Right right, So he's trying to eliminate anyone with a
Speaker 2: stake to the throne, but also so here so he
Speaker 2: is easily the most interesting character in the movie, Denzel's Macronus,
Speaker 2: But in the beginning of the movie, it's not clear
Speaker 2: that he's a bad guy. He seems like he's a
Speaker 2: rogue agent operating outside. Yeah, no, that's better. This is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and like you're not really sure of
Speaker 2: his motivations and whatnot, but as you come to find
Speaker 2: out he wants he's got his eyes on the throne
Speaker 2: or his eyes on the empire crumbling. The way he
Speaker 2: is his designs are played out doesn't really make sense
Speaker 2: because he's rooting for Lucius but then has to root
Speaker 2: against Lucius, but then he's trying to feed asist to Lucius,
Speaker 2: who Pedro Pascal's character. So like, the most interesting thing
Speaker 2: is Denzel's pursuit of something, whether it's poorly written or not,
Speaker 2: because of his character and coming from the outside, which
Speaker 2: I wish we've got more backstory there. And the second
Speaker 2: most interesting thing is the general of the Roman army
Speaker 2: trying to overthrow the empire. But that comes and goes
Speaker 2: within like seven minutes. Like it's just they squashed that
Speaker 2: so quickly that you're like, oh, that was kind of
Speaker 2: fucking useless. And then you never get a chance to
Speaker 2: see Lucia's work with him, Like they really wasted the
Speaker 2: opportunity there that could have come together much better than
Speaker 2: it actually did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said earlier, you can't really talk
Speaker 1: about Denzel's character in this movie without spoiling. He is Jafar,
Speaker 1: he is little Finger from Game of Thrones. He's constantly
Speaker 1: working everybody to get to his end goal. And I
Speaker 1: also really would have liked it if if you had
Speaker 1: this plan to make this into two movies and you
Speaker 1: let Denzel get away at the end, and maybe we
Speaker 1: don't solve the problem at the end, and we just
Speaker 1: the next movie can just be a bunch of Denzel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting to think about. I don't think they
Speaker 2: ever conceptualized a third movie, so that, like I get
Speaker 2: what's saying, but they could have done that in this movie.
Speaker 2: Goude like more Denzel stuff in this movie, because it
Speaker 2: would be more interesting than the exact same story that
Speaker 2: we got, you know what I mean. Like the first
Speaker 2: act could have been heavy on Denzel, and then you
Speaker 2: introduced Mezcale's character towards the end of the first half
Speaker 2: being bought by Denzel, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so it's important to know that Mescal's wife was
Speaker 1: killed and that is his motivation. Otherwise he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done any of it.
Speaker 2: Because there are good characters in here, but they don't
Speaker 2: play the right beats on these characters. So it's annoying,
Speaker 2: it's frustrating, like it's just I don't know. And you
Speaker 2: know what really pissed me off is clearly Macronus and
Speaker 2: Freex are like wagering two guys at like betting on stuff.
Speaker 2: We see them in place, one wager and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's like, you own me ten million dollars,
Speaker 2: so I'm taking your home. You're like, wait, what, when
Speaker 2: the fuck did that happen? They don't see any of that,
Speaker 2: and that, like Underworld of Rome is also more interesting
Speaker 2: than everything we got. So they just spent two much
Speaker 2: much time on Lucius's story and they didn't need to
Speaker 2: because we already get the motivation there. We understand the
Speaker 2: motivation once you know who he is, So you could
Speaker 2: have spent that time on the underworld or building Joseph
Speaker 2: Quinn's emperor character, or building Machronus more. They just spent
Speaker 2: so much time on shit we already understood and already got.
Speaker 1: I'm also so curious how those twins came into power, yes.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, how did they decide.
Speaker 1: To make them both The end of the first movie
Speaker 1: is like, you're at the same point as the end
Speaker 1: of this movie, so if they make another sequel in
Speaker 1: twenty years, they're gonna be like, well, these other people
Speaker 1: came into power and now we need to get Roam
Speaker 1: back again.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to see how like Lucilla gets pushed out
Speaker 2: and those two, Like, there's plenty of interesting stuff that
Speaker 2: I'm sure happened, and we just don't see any of it.
Speaker 2: They don't talk about any of it, and instead we
Speaker 2: just get multiple seams of Lucius Ingladiator prison, like the
Speaker 2: same shit we got in the first movie.
Speaker 1: You're gonna change your hot dog score again?
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly it feels like a twenty seven dogar to
Speaker 2: me because I like the revenge style stuff, and there
Speaker 2: are certain characters in this movie that are good. I'm
Speaker 2: at twenty nine and they'll probably finish for at twenty
Speaker 2: seven though I can see that. But again, that's like
Speaker 2: that's this, you know, C minus range. It's just I
Speaker 2: don't even know if it's a good movie. It's fine,
Speaker 2: it exists, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: It's a dumb question. And maybe I should know this
Speaker 1: as an Italian. How close is Rome to the ocean?
Speaker 2: Uh? Rome is inward? I don't think Rome touches the ocean,
Speaker 2: but it's not far from the ocean, but that's why.
Speaker 2: So the Roman army was in the quote unquote port
Speaker 2: of Rome, whatever city that was that Robbie had to
Speaker 2: go ride and get them. So Rome's probably I don't know,
Speaker 2: ten miles twenty miles from the ocean. What's your Google
Speaker 2: maps tell you?
Speaker 1: I'm just googling can you create seawater to house sharks?
Speaker 1: Because you have to get a lot of seawater to
Speaker 1: put those sharks in the college.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Romans had a pretty extensive system in
Speaker 2: terms of like, I don't doubt that they could have
Speaker 2: got ocean water to the coliseum. The sharks is the
Speaker 2: tough one.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking, like like an eighteen wheeler or something.
Speaker 2: No aqueducts. Come on, I'm looking up Rome, Italy right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with thirty one. I'm pretty fine with
Speaker 1: it being a C plus. I had an enjoyable time,
Speaker 1: but not something that I want to get back to.
Speaker 2: So the city they mentioned in this movie, Ostia is
Speaker 2: I don't know what, but there's like one city between
Speaker 2: Rome and the in the Mediterranean, so it's not too far.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's Getack and mak Sac could be anything that
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Speaker 1: season is truly here. It's not just goos Christmas season.
Speaker 1: It is the time to make children's holidays better and
Speaker 1: the best way for that is to find anywhere there is.
Speaker 1: We're not telling you specifically to do what we do.
Speaker 1: We usually go to a boys and girls club, but
Speaker 1: donate toys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've got the means, if you got some
Speaker 2: extra bucks this holiday season. Goo's the one that turned
Speaker 2: me onto this and it's a great idea. It's really
Speaker 2: really easy. What we do we contact our local boys club,
Speaker 2: boys and girls club. They have a list of kids
Speaker 2: in need of gifts, kids that don't have much, and
Speaker 2: they'll give you a couple kids tell you roughly what
Speaker 2: they're into, and you can go buy gifts for them.
Speaker 2: And it's just a couple of gifts here and there,
Speaker 2: and it goes a long way. It might be the
Speaker 2: only real gift a kid gets. So it's pretty fulfilling
Speaker 2: for sure. Pretty fulfilling for sure. And if you were
Speaker 2: a kid that spent a lot of time at a
Speaker 2: boys and girls club, it obviously is a nice way
Speaker 2: to give back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like last year, one kid wanted the foot bath,
Speaker 1: one kid wanted an oven mint, the other one of
Speaker 1: an iPod nano. So like, some things cost more than others.
Speaker 1: But that's how you show that you care, all right,
Speaker 1: So Mac, next week we'll do Wicked at the Top.
Speaker 1: I've already seen it. Max excited to see it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 1: Is so excited to see Wicked. Well, also, on Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: we'll have a holiday special for you.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 1: Because we did not act tear berd this year, so
Speaker 1: we'll be no de seer berring instead.
Speaker 2: I'm wicked fucking excited for Wicked.
Speaker 1: It was a wicked pass a night at the Godden kid.
Speaker 2: Just a shitty action. That's the whole Oh I'm in
Speaker 2: this movie was Wicked.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Davy put out his Kid do
Speaker 1: that fucking thing. Davy put out his mount Rushmore of Rats, which,
Speaker 1: first off, we're gonna eventually do our top ten movie
Speaker 1: Rats of all time as well. No, Keith did mice.
Speaker 1: Do you not know the difference?
Speaker 2: I sure do.
Speaker 1: And he didn't even have the rat from The Departed
Speaker 1: on there. Has he even seen sim that rat?
Speaker 2: I hate that movie.
Speaker 1: That's the best rat of all time.
Speaker 2: I think they were okay, clearly I'm in the minority there.
Speaker 2: I'm one of the few people that don't like The
Speaker 2: depart especially in this fucking area. I think there were
Speaker 2: people that really enjoyed the movie, and then when they
Speaker 2: got to the end and saw that, were like, come on,
Speaker 2: why'd you have to do that? What the fuck? We
Speaker 2: get it, We understood it. The whole movie is about.
Speaker 1: Rats, all right. So Keith's Mouse Rushmore was Mickey Mouse,
Speaker 1: Jerry Speedy, Gonzales and Mighty Mouse.
Speaker 2: I might remove Speedy for a fourth there, but that's
Speaker 2: three or four pretty good.
Speaker 1: I personally went the basle of Baker Street, Fifle Gadget
Speaker 1: from Chippendale and Pinky. But you could substitute Pinky with
Speaker 1: the brain.
Speaker 2: I think I might go Pinky or the brain over Speedy,
Speaker 2: and that might be my four. I like Keief's three, though.
Speaker 1: I'm all in on basle of Baker Street. So give
Speaker 1: me him. You cannot take him out of mind.
Speaker 2: You are a big, flightful guy.
Speaker 1: Feifel Mouskowitz not only an American tail. But when he
Speaker 1: goes west, there you go. And then Wesley Burho pointed out, like,
Speaker 1: why don't you have Bernard in there? From the rescuers?
Speaker 1: And I made the point sometimes in life you have
Speaker 1: to make tough choices.
Speaker 2: It's a great point real life.
Speaker 1: Lesson Davey's Mount rat More, I can tell you right
Speaker 1: now I have it here somewhere was let's see, he
Speaker 1: had Master Splinter. I agree, Ratatui Rizzo the rat.
Speaker 2: So I will say, I'm pretty sure Rattitude is a mouse.
Speaker 1: I think he's a rat.
Speaker 2: I think he's a mouse.
Speaker 1: And he had Templeton from Charlotte's Web. That's the number
Speaker 1: one rat. By the way, that's a good one, a
Speaker 1: fair as a veritable smart guess Barrig, smart guess Barck,
Speaker 1: smart guess Bark.
Speaker 2: I know Ratituuhi gives off rat vibe.
Speaker 1: But that's the name of the dish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure Remy is a mouse.
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the situation to disagree with you.
Speaker 1: So I'll also say this though, is at Disney World.
Speaker 1: At Epcot, they are really all in on Remy the rat.
Speaker 1: I'll say rat right now. But Remy, like ratituey stuff
Speaker 1: is all over Epcot, and I wasn't. I know that
Speaker 1: it's a good movie. I actually like it, like more
Speaker 1: than most Pixar movies. But I was surprised.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Remy, he's probably a rat, okay.
Speaker 1: But I was surprised by how much Remy was used
Speaker 1: at Epcot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think you wouldn't want to lean into
Speaker 2: the rodent in all of your characters, but it worked
Speaker 2: for Mickey.
Speaker 1: But I'm also thinking more of like, like you want
Speaker 1: to put your most popular characters on there?
Speaker 2: Many Justice for many Nah.
Speaker 1: How about any of his kids? Do they have any kids?
Speaker 1: Because you know, when you think of like kid Disney stars,
Speaker 1: you think of Huey, Dewey, Louie. They're all ducks, though.
Speaker 1: You think of Max Max Goof, You know Max Goof
Speaker 1: goofy Son.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't name of any of Mickey's kids.
Speaker 2: If you had to name a female and male offspring
Speaker 2: for Mickey and Minnie, what would you name him?
Speaker 1: You don't say Mortimer because I think that's the original.
Speaker 2: Name of Mickey Mortimer mouse.
Speaker 1: Or is that Minnie's friend Mortimer?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you have to go m right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Mickey Minnie mouse?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to mac and Macarna.
Speaker 2: Michael mouse. Doesn't it too much? No? Uh? Major? Major
Speaker 2: be cool name for a guy. I know.
Speaker 1: If I was naming a mouse and I was still
Speaker 1: a kid, I'd probably name a mousey mouse or something
Speaker 1: like that. I was really creative. My stuffed animal Raccoon's
Speaker 1: name was Raccoony.
Speaker 2: I wish you'd come up with rack cooney, if only,
Speaker 2: if only, which dives back in to ratititui?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: There you goll circle.
Speaker 1: All right, So that'll do it for this week. Check
Speaker 1: us out at the top of next week for a
Speaker 1: wicked and uh then a fun Thanksgiving episode hit A
Speaker 1: bit up now It's time for girls jumping on trampolines.
Speaker 1: Tuesdays are Goosdays and Tim Burton I just had a stroke.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue
Speaker 1: the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trampolines.