WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.480 Oh he is, folks, it's show die. People pay good 2 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:10.599 money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:12.160 When they go out to a theater. 4 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:15.960 They want cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters. 5 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:19.519 In the Protection Booth, everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:20.920 Don it off. 7 00:01:32.840 --> 00:02:23.319 Oh hey, folks, welcome to a special episode of the 8 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:24.039 Projection Booth. 9 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.879 I'm your host Mike White. On this episode, I'm talking 10 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.560 with Steve Newburn. He is the designer of the Creature 11 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.479 suit and the creator of the creatures from the film 12 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:39.000 Sasquatch Sunset. It is a relatively new film from David 13 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.199 and Nathan Zelner. It was great getting a little bit 14 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:44.360 of a peak behind the curtain when it comes to 15 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.039 some of these makeup effects. Had a great time talking 16 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:48.759 with mister Newburn, and I hope you have a great 17 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.759 time listening. Thank you so much. Obviously, I want to 18 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:54.680 talk to you about Sasquatch Sunset, which is a tough 19 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:58.800 name to say repeatedly, especially. Can you tell me a 20 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.319 little bit about how you even decided to get into 21 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:04.360 the business and how you started to do makeup effects. 22 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:06.680 I think it's true for everybody my age, but we 23 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:08.560 all just grew up in the era of Star Wars 24 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:10.159 and Jaws and all those kinds of plan of the 25 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.400 Apes and all that stuff back in the seventies and 26 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:15.080 early eighties and whatnot. And it just a fan and 27 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:19.000 it wasn't something I started with that direction in mind. 28 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:19.080 It. 29 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:21.039 I actually went to school for business and everything, and 30 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.199 it was just I grew up in Los Angeles, so 31 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.479 just being in Los Angeles, I just connections and stuff 32 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:28.719 and it was like, Oh, would you like to check 33 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.680 this out sometime, and Oh, yeah, that'd be really neat. 34 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:32.000 I've been a fan of that I was a kid 35 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.599 and going in and just it was one of the 36 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:38.840 big Los Angeles shops, creature shops, and it just it 37 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.360 turned into a thing where it's like, oh, you want 38 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:43.879 to come back, Sure, I'd love to come back. But 39 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.879 kept coming back and became a part time gig and 40 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.319 then a full time gig and then a career. 41 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.599 That's amazing. What were some of those early effects that 42 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:52.400 you were working on. 43 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.400 The earliest things that people would recognize It would be 44 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:57.159 like Starship Troopers and Alien Resurrection and a lot of 45 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.719 stuff coming out around then. The early like first X 46 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.560 Files movie. The company was Ady, I was Sam and Alex. 47 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.080 They started with stan Winston back in the day, and 48 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:08.599 they got off and set their own company and did 49 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.400 Jumanji and a bunch of other stuff back then. But yes, yeah, 50 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:14.080 fell in with them in mid nineties. 51 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:16.800 In this line of work, do you tend to specialize 52 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:18.839 in one area or over something else. 53 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:21.279 It depends where you are in the world, I think, 54 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.600 and Los Angeles is very department wise, so you tend 55 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:27.240 you tend to fall into a certain you know, area 56 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:29.600 of the of the job where there was sculpting or 57 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.839 molding or painting or whatever. But a lot of the 58 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.720 world it's jack of many trades. Meeting in Los Angeles, 59 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:36.879 I fell into the kind of what they can call 60 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:38.560 the lap part of it, which is all the technical 61 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:40.480 side of it res supposed to the artistic side of it. 62 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:41.879 And that was just a good place to get your 63 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:45.279 feet wet and for people who had, you know, the 64 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.920 drive to be there, but didn't necessarily have refined artistic 65 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.480 skills they were looking for. And with me just being 66 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:54.639 a fan, I you know, it was stuff I tinkered with, 67 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.120 but I wasn't nearly as refined as some of the 68 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.360 guys who were, yep, the experts of the time. So 69 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.800 as far as artistically speaking. So I fell into the 70 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:06.920 technical side of it and just grove from there. And 71 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:11.000 eventually my wife's Canadians, so we'd moved up to Canada 72 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.360 at one point where we had kids, and Canada is 73 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.680 more of a you do everything kind of situation, and 74 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:17.839 some of the smaller shops now LA were the same. 75 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.319 So I did first aside at that point, and this 76 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:24.839 is maybe five years in, I would say, and just 77 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.319 got in, got my hands wet and Pete wet doing everything. Yeah, 78 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:29.720 it just down for crows from there. 79 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:32.279 You mentioned the X Files, and I know they shut 80 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:34.800 a lot in Vancouver set around where you were at. 81 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:37.920 Yeah, that was the TV series I like, I specifically 82 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.720 worked on the first movie, which was in and around 83 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.680 Los Angeles. A lot of it was twenty Century Fox Studios. Yeah, 84 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.279 we were doing all the back then it was all hushash, 85 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:48.199 top secret. But it was like the Aliens and all 86 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:52.000 the various stuff that came along with them, but that 87 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:53.079 was all in the studio a lot. 88 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.879 Tell me about Sasquatch Sunset. How did this project come 89 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:57.160 to you? 90 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:01.879 Yeah, and so I have a relationship with Ari Astor 91 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:04.759 and Lars Nissen, and like they had their company Square Bag, 92 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:09.279 and I've been with Ori since Hereditary and it was 93 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.199 just one of those the next projects that kind of 94 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.680 came across their plate. And Tyler, who's one of the 95 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.600 other producers there with them, he cast me pretty much 96 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:20.439 for everything they have that comes along that has some 97 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.879 sort of prosthetic or makeup of that kind of thing 98 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.560 happening in it. And it was the height of COVID 99 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.279 and nothing was really happening, and they were like, we 100 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.519 have this perfect movie. That's a COVID movie. It's the 101 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:34.160 tiny little bubble shooting exteriors. You won't be around people, 102 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:37.600 would you be interested? And I was like, sure, why not? 103 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.360 Sounds interesting? What is it? And then so it's about 104 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.439 a family of sasquatch and I was like, really tend 105 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.240 me this script. But just growing up, I'd been a 106 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.199 huge fan of Hary and Anderson's which with Baker's Harry 107 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:52.000 Suit I still think is like the that's the pinnacle 108 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:58.439 for a sasquatch, by that thing you're not oh yeah, yeah. 109 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:00.040 So I'd always looked at that. In these days, it 110 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:01.839 seems every time you see a sasquatch, it's either a 111 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.279 you know, a furry monster in the woods killing campers, 112 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.959 or it's a jerky commercial, and so so this coming 113 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.480 along was oh, wow, we could actually do something that's 114 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:14.959 better than a jerky commercial. And these are characters and 115 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:17.120 not just a monster in the woods. So it was 116 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.279 that got my intrigued. And then just by fact virtue 117 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.240 of the fact that it was for and ours and 118 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:24.000 those guys, that was just I didn't no matter what. 119 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.639 But as a fan of Harry I've always He's been 120 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.160 my top three movie monsters. It was just a natural. 121 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:31.920 I wasn't walking away from it no matter what. 122 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:36.959 So how much of the design comes from you versus 123 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:39.519 is there like a character designer? Like, how does that 124 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:40.360 process work? 125 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.800 I talked to the brothers. It's like, right after talking 126 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:44.759 to David, I had an idea my head, just based 127 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.279 on again being a fan of Harry, and like what 128 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.439 I liked about that idea, and it was if I 129 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:52.319 ever had a chance to do a Sasquatch, what would 130 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:53.920 I I had an idea in my head of what 131 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:56.360 I would want. They're talking to David and Nathan. They 132 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.639 had their ideas and we batted them back and forth 133 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:00.680 and we were very much on the same page. It 134 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.040 was coming up with a character as opposed to a 135 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.199 movie monster. It was something that you could relate to, 136 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:08.680 that had emotions that just it's another animal in the 137 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:13.279 wild going about it's daily business. And so I in 138 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:14.639 that sense, I think we were very much on the 139 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:17.639 same page. I have some photoshop guys I work with, 140 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.920 and then the people I work with, we all mutually 141 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.600 got together and refined it based on at the time 142 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:25.879 who cast was going to be. That tweaked a little bit, 143 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.959 but in the end it was like, okay, so we 144 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:30.279 have Riley, we have Jesse and Nathan, we had Christoph. 145 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.639 How do we take this script which was quite this, 146 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.320 very descriptive actually right down to the tiny details, so 147 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:40.679 you knew who these characters were, So how do we 148 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:46.600 convey those personalities in the looks while maintaining this kind 149 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.639 of aesthetic aim of trying to do something that's better 150 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:53.080 than a jerky commercial and hopefully living up to whatever 151 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.519 we can do with without time or money to try 152 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:57.159 to do our own. 153 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.440 Harry, Well, it's going to be interesting to bail the 154 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:05.360 characters with the actors and allow the actors to both 155 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:09.679 inhabit the makeup effect itself with their own personality and 156 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:11.039 that's got to be pretty tough to do. 157 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:14.000 It took them back and forth and we certainly refined 158 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.240 things a little bit as far as internally with us, 159 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:17.639 and then it was But the funny thing was is 160 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:19.840 we again, we did these these two d renders and 161 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:23.960 photoshop just immediately my concept was and I forwarded those 162 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.559 over to the brothers and they were like, this is 163 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:29.559 actually very close to what we had in mind. We 164 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:33.720 didn't really have a lengthy design process, and the movie 165 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.039 was with finances and everything, it was on and off 166 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:37.919 for a couple of years before we finally made it, 167 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:39.399 so we had a lot of time to back things 168 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.120 back and forth and just little tweaks. And the biggest 169 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:45.200 design attribute, I guess you could say that I wanted 170 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.519 and they agreed with completely, was that if these are characters, 171 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.639 they have to perform as characters. We don't want to 172 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.720 do contact lenses because eyes of the window to the soul. 173 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:56.440 Confe and the Brothers were completely on board with that 174 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:00.360 and agreed that it was we're getting name actors and 175 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.480 burying them under all this stuff. There's got to be 176 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:05.879 something there that says that's Jesse, that's Riley. There's a 177 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:08.960 reason for having these performers in these things, and I 178 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:10.840 go back now and watch the movie, and I like 179 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.039 Riley especially. It's like the thousand yard stare that she's 180 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:16.679 got or the beaten down, battered woman kind of thing 181 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.240 going on. There's I'm gonna keep these idiots alive. It's 182 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.960 all in the eyes for me. It's so that for 183 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.000 us just makes our lives a million times easier. 184 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.919 So obviously it's not just the face, it's the entire body, hands, feet, 185 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:33.960 everything that you're doing. Obviously they don't have to wear 186 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.159 that all the time at the same time, but it's 187 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.360 gotta be tough for those actors, and then it's gotta 188 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.279 be tough for you as far as it's not just 189 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.279 you doing all this. I imagine no with. 190 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:46.399 Myself and three others with me on set, So we 191 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:48.559 each had our own character that we dealt with. Primarily 192 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:50.279 juggled them once they were put together, but in the 193 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.039 morning we each put our own character together. But yeah, 194 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:56.679 they were in those suits every day for fourteen fifteen 195 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.559 hours while we filmed, and yeah, no brakes. Acup doesn't 196 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.279 come off. It's not a mask, it's glued down. The 197 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:05.279 best we could do was n zip the suit occasionally 198 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.000 and folded down like you would have a wet suit. 199 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.559 Christoph had done this kind of stuff before, so he 200 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:14.399 was completely knowing what he was getting into. Napan was like, 201 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.559 as he put it, it's my movie. If I can't 202 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.279 handle this, how can I expect somebody else to. Jesse 203 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:22.720 looked at it as a challenge of being an actor. 204 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.759 Riley was, I think that much in the same bank. 205 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:27.799 She looked at it as part of the challenge. It 206 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:29.840 was an experience. The haster point, what made you do 207 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:32.159 this because it's so different from anything you've done before, 208 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.559 and you've never been in prosthetics before and anything. And 209 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.159 she just said, it's that's why I've never done anything 210 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.039 like this. I just walt the experience and don't think 211 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:40.480 she knew what she was in for, And it was 212 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.000 it's rough the first couple of weeks when you're not 213 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:44.960 used to the sort of things. I know, Jesse and 214 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.639 Riley certainly had their bonding moments or something. Sure, you 215 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:50.080 get to that point where it just becomes part of 216 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:51.440 the routine and you learn to live with it and 217 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.240 you get do the acting part. So for them, that's 218 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.679 a conversation to have with them and I know I've 219 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.519 certainly had those conversations with them, and I know they 220 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:01.360 didn't love it. They rose to the challenge. 221 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.440 Well, in memory search, you've put yourself in pressIt x 222 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:05.799 many times for as well. 223 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:08.879 I've been in things here and there, I wouldn't say 224 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.919 many times, but not like that, nothing in those conditions. 225 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:14.600 This is the biggest thing where I got to commend them, 226 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:16.879 because where you get these creatures superformers, you get a 227 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:18.679 Doug Jones type, if you know what that is, and 228 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.399 these guys who have been around for decades doing this 229 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.159 kind of stuff, and you'd think ninety nine percent of 230 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:27.519 the time you're on a sound stage in idealized conditions 231 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:30.120 and working with a nice trailer outside that you can 232 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.799 go and sit in cool off any or whatever. And 233 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:34.879 we were out in the wilderness and there was nothing around, 234 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:36.720 and the weather was what it was. If it was 235 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.080 dumping rain on us or snow on us, or eighty 236 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.240 five degrees outside, you just had to deal with it. 237 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:43.279 They got thrown in the deep end in a worst 238 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:44.120 case scenario. 239 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.320 Not only are you designing the use and putting these 240 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.759 on and everything, but then that they have to worry 241 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:53.159 about the weather because like you're saying, like, normally, yeah, 242 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.159 you're safe and environed, and then here you are now 243 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.919 out in the wild. That's a head to have made 244 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:02.000 it even tougher today. Yeah, yeah, I mean zero luxury 245 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.000 at all. So I mean for them, I admire what 246 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:04.440 they did. 247 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.679 I don't know. I would beat my own way through 248 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:09.039 it if I had to it, if I was ever 249 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:12.519 in their shoes. But most people, and certainly most legitimate 250 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.679 actors can't even begin to understand. You hear the horror 251 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:19.840 stories over the years about people on certain type profile 252 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.159 movies and I couldn't deal with it. I needed to 253 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.679 hire a guy who's the Navy seal to train me 254 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.279 to for torture for whatever. And you're on a down 255 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.879 stage with an air conditioned trailer out there and you 256 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.799 get to sit back and drink your latte and just 257 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:35.440 kind of stuff. And they didn't get any of that. 258 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:36.879 But it was like, no, you get to sit in 259 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:38.279 a launch chair on the side of the road and 260 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:42.360 cook or freeze or whichever it was. It. I talk 261 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:44.679 about them endlessly because I admire what they did, but 262 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.159 from our standpoint, we've got exactly the same thing. We're 263 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:49.360 thrown into the deep end again, no time, no money, 264 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:53.000 don't have ten copies of each suit. We had plus 265 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.080 a backup, and so it's if they got thrown like 266 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.440 Jesse thrown in a river and it's like that river there, 267 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.320 it was like forty one degrees or something like that bahrenheit. 268 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.679 And so he's still out there and happy to come out, 269 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:06.759 and we're trying to just figure out how to be 270 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:08.360 suits out so you can actually wear it. The next 271 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.639 day said not freezing it aft and up in the snow. 272 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:13.840 I think they welcomed the colder days because these suits 273 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:15.440 are so hot, and the foam suits are hot to 274 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:16.840 begin with, and then you throw a layer of hair 275 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.240 over that. Nothing but admiration. 276 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.440 Now, if they're in snow, are they still Sasquatch or 277 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:25.480 do they become yetty. 278 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.720 They're not white, but I don't know if there. Yeah, 279 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:31.759 the movie was always intended to go across four seasons, 280 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:35.840 and when we finally he was on off, like I said, 281 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.240 finances and all that kind of stuff. And when we 282 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:39.960 finally got it, we thought it would be too early 283 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.960 in the season to actually have any snow. And we 284 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:43.480 were about halfway through the shoot and they were like, 285 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.120 it's dump snow in the mountains. We're going to the 286 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.919 mountains tomorrow. And it was like sixteen inches of snow 287 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:51.120 suddenly came down one night and it was up in 288 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.840 a blizzard then and wich started warming up and then 289 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:59.399 turned into freezing rain and just yeah, it was miserable 290 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:04.399 for everybody. Again, I have nothing but trudos. 291 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.879 Do you have like Sasquatch experts coming up to you 292 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.720 and saying, Oh, the nose wasn't broad enough, the forehead 293 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.960 wasn't high enough, funny enough. 294 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.759 Our locations. Guy in the movie was like the vice 295 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:22.600 president of some like International Sasquatch Believers Society, and he 296 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.080 would just come over to me daily and just stand 297 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:26.759 next to me and just kind of mumble things like, 298 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:33.399 this isn't what it's like, right, Like, dude, I think 299 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.279 I rained on his parade because it's like the one 300 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.480 film that famous film there was I can't even think 301 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:43.919 what then or something Patterson Gimlin film. Yeah, and it's 302 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.159 it's a known thing. That was a guy named John 303 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:49.039 Chambers that made this thing back at the time, and 304 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.559 it's just no one in Hollywood circles. This is what happened. 305 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:55.799 And I mentioned it to the guys I've heard that rumor. 306 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.840 It's completely debunked, and I'll tell you why did for him? 307 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.440 What makes them happy? But yeah, there was no convincing 308 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.960 of otherwise. But no, it was fun because it was 309 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.519 all real sasquatstor this is the land where you supposedly 310 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:14.080 see these things, which we never did. But I'm sure 311 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.000 there was a lot of logging truckers driving by that 312 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:17.279 would see them on the side of the road that 313 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.960 I'm sure we'ren like, well, wait a second. 314 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:22.039 A lot of sightings in the local paper. 315 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.440 Yeah, exactly. So what are you. 316 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.799 Working on these days? What's got your attention right now? 317 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.320 I am in Budapest at the moment. It's finishing up 318 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.080 until dawn with David Sandberg as the director who did 319 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:38.000 Shazam and Lights Out and those things, and we're just 320 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:40.320 literally on our last week of that and we finished 321 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:46.000 some nine months on Del Toros. Frankenstein recently just did 322 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.159 another movie, Ari's latest, Eddington, which was shot down in 323 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:51.279 New Mexico just prior to coming out of the Buddha Pest. 324 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.519 It's been what sounds like it. How do you get 325 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:56.759 your gigs? Obviously you've worked with Ari several times. It 326 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:58.679 sounds like it's a natural for you to be on 327 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.240 the next one of his or this one that you 328 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.919 just did. But are they just like, hey, we need 329 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.799 this guy, Like you've been in the business for a 330 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.440 couple of decades now, so yeah, yeah, do they just go, okay, 331 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:11.680 give me Steve Newbern. 332 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.720 It's everybody has their kind of go tos, it feels 333 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.000 so the producers, all the various people, they all have 334 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.839 their go to people. My go tos keep was busy. 335 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:24.240 So it's like, aren't Ari and his productions, whether he's 336 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.359 directing or do this produce thing. They kept us quite 337 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:29.559 steady for a number of years now since the Hereditary 338 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.440 being out here with on this movie. This is again 339 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.640 with David. I've known David since Hizam and we actually 340 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.640 have done a few things together now and this is 341 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.240 just another one. So it's like I said, it's just shoting. 342 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:44.240 Once you have a handful of contacts in your pocket. 343 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:46.720 It feels like the industry kind of works in cycles, 344 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:49.680 and so that guy will be finishing his project and 345 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:52.039 editing for the next eight months, but oh, the next 346 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.279 guy is falling into place with his project and it 347 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:57.720 just works. I was out pretty well it's usually very 348 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.799 little downtime and more often than not overlap several projects. 349 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:04.000 I don't want to ask you to spill any trade 350 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.920 secrets or anything, but you've got an interesting credit for Frankenstein, 351 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:12.119 which is prosthetic bodies? Right, What did you do for 352 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:13.759 that one? Or can you even say that. 353 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:18.200 You can imagine? No, the answer is no, you can't 354 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:20.279 talk about it. Obviously they just wrapped this week on 355 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.400 in the UK, I believe, But yeah, we had nine 356 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:26.519 months of you can figure it out. It's friend the story. 357 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:27.440 You can figure it out. 358 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:30.759 When I see those prosthetic bodies, I will definitely be 359 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:31.440 thinking about you. 360 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:35.480 Oh, there's dirt plenty. There probably be lots this day. 361 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:38.319 Nothing to do with the title monster, we'll see that. 362 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:40.319 That was Mike Hill who's done like to shake of 363 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.319 water and all those things, and he worked his magic 364 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:47.079 for that and a lot of a lot of it 365 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.319 was farmed out to other people. And then that's our piece. 366 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:55.119 Of the puzzle. How much are your designs and your 367 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:59.119 actual makeup effects? How often are they enhanced with digital 368 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.119 effects or it's a pure makeup. 369 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.319 It all depends on the show. Like Sasquatch two is 370 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.160 no digital so they didn't have the time or the 371 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.119 money or whatever for it, so it was just like 372 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.079 what on camera is exactly what was there on the day. 373 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:13.720 That's why we've for us that was a big, you 374 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.319 know thing, because we're patting ourselves in the back of 375 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.119 that because how often do you see but usually what 376 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.240 we do is it's namely in the background on Star Trek, 377 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:22.359 it's something that passes through a scene, or it's a 378 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.720 it's hiding in the shadows, and we were out there 379 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:26.640 in broad daylight for every single frame of the movie. 380 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.119 It's an achievement. If nothing else that the fact that 381 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:32.160 we did that, because the whole few people in our 382 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:35.599 industry have ever tried to been approached to do anything 383 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:35.839 like that. 384 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:40.039 It's been saying oh yeah, cheating aloud with that. 385 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:43.359 Yeah. These days, you go in with the intectic. You know, 386 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:45.599 you'll do as much practically as you can and in camera, 387 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.240 and it depends on the director. Again, the project we're 388 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.039 on now until Dawn David loves is in camera. If 389 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:52.480 he can get it in camera and not have to 390 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.160 enhance it, he will. I'm not opposed to computer enhancement. 391 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.480 It's just the nature of the business these days. They 392 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:00.400 don't give you the time to do this stuff. Funny Moore, 393 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.000 that used to get six months to prep something. Now 394 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.119 you're lucky if you get six weeks. When it comes 395 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:06.559 time to shoot it, Inevitably, we're always just put it 396 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:08.480 off to the last shot of the day, and second 397 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.559 units for practical stuff and a camera work are becoming 398 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:13.559 fewer and further between, it seems like these days. So 399 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:16.559 it was nice to see recently like Alien Robulus was 400 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.200 so practical, for example, but which we're shooting at the 401 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.720