Speaker 1: This is Pastor Rick's Daily Hope, the broadcast ministry of
Speaker 1: Pastor Rick Warren. Today we continue in the series Essentials
Speaker 1: for Living. In these lessons, Pastor Rick shares the power
Speaker 1: you need to live on, the principles you need to
Speaker 1: live by, and the purpose you need to live for
Speaker 1: so that you're truly living and not just existing. First,
Speaker 1: we're excited to let you know that very generous friends
Speaker 1: of Daily Hope have stepped forward with a special twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars matching grant That means any gift you
Speaker 1: give to help Daily Hope share God's word with people
Speaker 1: everywhere will be doubled. So contact us right away, go
Speaker 1: to Pastororrick dot com or text the word Hope to
Speaker 1: eight hundred six hundred five thousand and four while you
Speaker 1: listen to today's broadcast. Right now, here's Pastor Rick Warren
Speaker 1: with part two of a message called how to connect
Speaker 1: with People.
Speaker 2: The fourth key to connecting is to be candid. To
Speaker 2: be candid about the problems in the relationship. In other words,
Speaker 2: you have to be open, you have to be honest,
Speaker 2: you you have to be frank Proverbs twenty four to
Speaker 2: twenty six, says an honest answer is the sign of
Speaker 2: a true friendship. Now, notice that being candid and being
Speaker 2: connected go together. You don't have one without the other
Speaker 2: being candid and connected. Because genuine, healthy, deep, meaningful relationships
Speaker 2: are built on honesty, not on flattery.
Speaker 3: If you got somebody.
Speaker 2: Who's kissing up to you, who's always telling you what
Speaker 2: you want to hear, they don't really love you, they're
Speaker 2: using you. Flattery is a sign of a manipulator, not
Speaker 2: a sign of somebody who's genuinely your friend. So genuine friendships,
Speaker 2: genuine relationships, are candid where they'll tell you know when
Speaker 2: you've got spinach in your teeth, they'll tell you when
Speaker 2: you're blown it, they'll tell you when you're wasting your life,
Speaker 2: when you're making a dumb, bad decision, Because healthy relationships
Speaker 2: are built on honesty. Now all of us, all of
Speaker 2: us have blind spots. Some of us have bald spots too,
Speaker 2: but we all have blind spots. The question that really
Speaker 2: matters is do you have anybody in your life who
Speaker 2: loves you enough to point them out? Do you have
Speaker 2: anybody in your life who cares enough to say you
Speaker 2: need to work on this. Do you have anybody in
Speaker 2: your life, who loves you enough to hold you accountable
Speaker 2: and makes you grow, Because if you don't, I pity you,
Speaker 2: because you cannot grow unless somebody points out the things
Speaker 2: that you can't see in your life that need changing. Honest,
Speaker 2: loving candidness is what all of us need to grow.
Speaker 2: But you can't grow without it. So let me give
Speaker 2: you three rules for being candid in relationships. Write these down.
Speaker 2: One Always compliment in public, correct in private. Compliment in public,
Speaker 2: correct in private. If you're doing this with your children,
Speaker 2: Compliment in public, correct in private if you're doing this
Speaker 2: with your husband or wife. Compliment in public, correct in private.
Speaker 2: If you're doing with an employee or a student, or
Speaker 2: a friend or a neighbor, compliment in public, correct in private.
Speaker 2: Number two, correct when they're up, not down. Correct them
Speaker 2: when they're up, not down, because nobody can handle correction
Speaker 2: when they're tired, when they're fatigued, when they're depressed, when
Speaker 2: they're out of energy. You know, my wife has had
Speaker 2: to listen to my preaching now for over twenty five years,
Speaker 2: and I depend on k to give me good feedback,
Speaker 2: and she has been a great blessing in my life.
Speaker 3: But the thing that I love.
Speaker 2: The most about case correction or case feedback is that
Speaker 2: she never ever tells me something needs to change immediately
Speaker 2: after service, because, folks, after five services, you're lower than
Speaker 2: a skunk. You're out of energy, You're adrenaline is depleted,
Speaker 2: your blood sugar is at low. Really, after five services,
Speaker 2: all you want to do is go home, get under
Speaker 2: the covers, pull them up, and go to sleep for
Speaker 2: nine or ten hours.
Speaker 3: And so she always.
Speaker 2: Waits until I've had a little bit of rest, a
Speaker 2: little delay, my stomach's full of food. Sometimes you wait
Speaker 2: a full twenty four hours, and then she'll give me
Speaker 2: helpful corrections on improving the skills that I'm trying to improve.
Speaker 2: You see, when I'm feeling good, I can handle almost
Speaker 2: any correction. When I'm feeling tired, I can't handle anything.
Speaker 2: Isn't that true with you? You know, when you're tired,
Speaker 2: when you're fatigued, the slightest little word of correction is
Speaker 2: like a big mountain, and you know it just it's overwhelming.
Speaker 2: So you need timingness everything candidness. The third is, never
Speaker 2: offer correction until you've proven that you're open to it.
Speaker 2: You should never correct anybody else until first you've proven
Speaker 2: that you're open to receiving it from them, And so
Speaker 2: again you seek to understand before seeking to be understood,
Speaker 2: and you open you up your life before you expect
Speaker 2: them to open up their lives. Now, all healthy relationships
Speaker 2: need and allow the opportunity for expression of frustration and anger.
Speaker 2: Anger is a good thing in relationships. Sometimes miscontrolled anger
Speaker 2: are out of control. Anger is bad, but anger is
Speaker 2: sometimes the only legitimate response in.
Speaker 3: A relationship where there's love.
Speaker 2: If there's some things that you don't get angry over,
Speaker 2: it just means one thing you don't care, you don't love.
Speaker 2: Sometimes anger is the response of love. Now, the problem
Speaker 2: is today many couples are scared to death of anger,
Speaker 2: so they run from it, and as a result, they're
Speaker 2: always pushing the issues aside. They're always sweeping them under
Speaker 2: the carpet. They're afraid of anger, and so they just
Speaker 2: push it aside. Well, let's don't deal with it. And
Speaker 2: you spend all your life going round and round and
Speaker 2: round skating the issue, and you make little sarcastic remarks
Speaker 2: about it, and you may tease and hint and offer
Speaker 2: little jokes, and you may make little wise cracks about it,
Speaker 2: but you never really candidly deal with the issues. Some
Speaker 2: of you have been married ten, fifteen, twenty or more years.
Speaker 3: And you are still dealing with issues.
Speaker 2: Today that you should have resolved in the first five
Speaker 2: years of your marriage. But you're still dealing with them today.
Speaker 2: Why because you have refused to be candid and you
Speaker 2: just kind of skirt around the issues and you won't
Speaker 2: face the music and deal with it.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it any clearer than this.
Speaker 2: There is no genuine intimacy without going through the tunnel
Speaker 2: of conflict.
Speaker 3: You say, surely, Rick, you gotta be kidding. I am
Speaker 3: not kidding.
Speaker 2: I've probably counseled more people than you've talked with in
Speaker 2: your life, and I have come to the conclusion that
Speaker 2: there is no genuine intimacy without going through conflict, because
Speaker 2: it is in conflict that the relationship is spelled out,
Speaker 2: defined and built.
Speaker 3: So you have to do it now. Notice, over here,
Speaker 3: on one.
Speaker 2: Side, you have what I call superficial intimacy. You may
Speaker 2: like a person, you may be acquainted with, you may
Speaker 2: be in love, you may be married to a person,
Speaker 2: and still never get beyond superficial intimacy because you won't
Speaker 2: ever really deal with the gut issues of the relationship
Speaker 2: that need to be dealt with your faults and that
Speaker 2: person's fault, And so you keep it here at this
Speaker 2: superficial intimacy level. I mean, you have ten kids and
Speaker 2: a lot of sex and still have superficial intimacy.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, over here is what I call.
Speaker 2: Genuine, deep intimacy, soul satisfying relationship, heart to heart, being
Speaker 2: fully understood by another person and having them fully understand
Speaker 2: you in a way that you never thought possible on
Speaker 2: this planet. Having a person be so connected with another
Speaker 2: person that there is a deep, deep satisfying.
Speaker 3: Communion between the two of you.
Speaker 2: Now, how do you get from superficial intimacy to genuine
Speaker 2: soul satisfying intimacy with another human being? How do you
Speaker 2: get there? Well, there's no straight line across. You have
Speaker 2: to go through the tunnel of conflict.
Speaker 3: It is the only way.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Pastor Rick's Daily Hope rip will be
Speaker 1: back in just a moment with the rest of today's lesson.
Speaker 1: You can sign up for Pastor Rick's free email devotional
Speaker 1: at pastorick dot com. That's pastorick dot com.
Speaker 4: Do you desire more of God, he desires more of you.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, how's your relationship with God
Speaker 4: right now? Maybe you're walking closely with him and do
Speaker 4: you feel energized and alive? Or maybe you feel disconnected
Speaker 4: like you're just going through the motions. Pastor Rick says,
Speaker 4: if you want to stay connected and even deepen your
Speaker 4: relationship with God, you need to be intentional. That's why
Speaker 4: every year Pastor Rick personally goes through a spiritual renewal study,
Speaker 4: and now he's made that very same study available to you.
Speaker 4: It's called Going Deeper with God, a personal renewal Retreat.
Speaker 4: In this very special resource, Pastor Rick will personally lead
Speaker 4: you on a spiritual journey that brings you closer to God. Together,
Speaker 4: you'll go through a series of audio lessons, and after
Speaker 4: each session, you'll take a little time to reflect and
Speaker 4: complete exercises in the Companion workbook. Through this retreat, you'll
Speaker 4: experience a renewal of life within you. God will restore
Speaker 4: your joy. As he renews, refreshes, invigorates, and revives your
Speaker 4: spiritual life. You'll never be the same again. When you
Speaker 4: give a gift to Daily Hope, you're helping share the
Speaker 4: hope of Jesus with people everywhere and right now, your
Speaker 4: gift will be doubled by a twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 4: matching grant called eight hundred six hundred five zero zero four.
Speaker 4: Or you can visit Pastororick dot com and we'll send
Speaker 4: you going Deeper with God a personal renewal retreat to
Speaker 4: say thanks again. That's eight hundred at six hundred five
Speaker 4: zero zero four or pastorick dot com. Be sure to
Speaker 4: let us know the call letters of this station when
Speaker 4: you give a gift to help meet the matching grant.
Speaker 1: Now back to more from God's Word with Pastor Rick Warren.
Speaker 2: Now, how do you get from superficial intimacy to genuine,
Speaker 2: soul satisfying intimacy with another human being? How do you
Speaker 2: get there? Well, there's no straight line across. You have
Speaker 2: to go through the tunnel of conflict. It is the
Speaker 2: only way. Now, in the tunnel of conflict, I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you, it's not fun. It's messy. In fact,
Speaker 2: it is usually quite painful because as you go down
Speaker 2: from the pseudo phony intimacy into the tunnel of conflict,
Speaker 2: there's no light in there, and you don't know if
Speaker 2: you're going to come out on the right side or not.
Speaker 2: And in the tunnel of conflict, you have to hear
Speaker 2: some things you don't want to hear, and you have
Speaker 2: to say some things you probably don't feel like saying,
Speaker 2: but they need to be said if the relationship is
Speaker 2: going to go beyond simple superficiality and accommodation to genuine
Speaker 2: heart to heart commitment and intimacy. And you have to
Speaker 2: say those and you have to stay there in the
Speaker 2: pain and maybe even in the noise, and maybe in
Speaker 2: the hurt, and you have to stay there and work
Speaker 2: through it because you're trying to work on it and
Speaker 2: you're both committed to making it happen, so you fix
Speaker 2: the problem rather than fixing the blame. And when you're
Speaker 2: in the tunnel of conflict, every bone in your body says,
Speaker 2: this is too hard.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker 2: It's not worth the pain, and you want to back
Speaker 2: out and escape and go back up here to superficial intimacy.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately most people settle for that in life and
Speaker 2: never know the satisfaction of being connected at the deepest
Speaker 2: level with another human being, And so you back out
Speaker 2: of it. And you're up over here and you just
Speaker 2: kind of settle for less than God's best in your life.
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, if you will stay with it,
Speaker 2: and you'll say, we're gonna work on this, and I
Speaker 2: need to say some tough things that I need to
Speaker 2: hear some tough things, and we'll cry and we'll share,
Speaker 2: and we'll work, and we'll get anger and frustrated, but
Speaker 2: we're gonna work on this. If you'll stick with it,
Speaker 2: and you'll do these six principles, you will eventually come
Speaker 2: out on the other side. Now, in the tunnel of conflict,
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of like childbirth. At times, the pain
Speaker 2: may seem unbearable, but if you stick with it, you
Speaker 2: will have a new birth of a new relationship at
Speaker 2: a level you didn't even know.
Speaker 3: It was possible up to that point. But it takes
Speaker 3: being candid.
Speaker 2: Let's say a husband is repeatedly late for dinner, and
Speaker 2: of course none of you've ever done that. He seems
Speaker 2: totally indifferent about punctuality, permits any little thing to delay him.
Speaker 2: When he arrives late for the fourth or fifth day
Speaker 2: in a row, his wife says, in an accusing tone,
Speaker 2: you're late again. Look at the supper.
Speaker 3: It's cold. I went to a lot of hard work
Speaker 3: and you you spoiled it.
Speaker 2: Now, what is she doing? She is attacking. Now, what
Speaker 2: is the natural response when you were attacked?
Speaker 3: Attack back? Exactly, attack back.
Speaker 2: So his response is to justify his lateness and to
Speaker 2: attack her for not being understanding and for placing far
Speaker 2: too much importance on the dinner. And so they just
Speaker 2: create this adversarial relationship. Now, these people are supposed to
Speaker 2: love each other, but they're actually acting like enemies. Here's
Speaker 2: an alternative. At the right time, the wife could say
Speaker 2: something like this. You know, honey, when I prepare a
Speaker 2: nice supper and it's left to get cold, I feel unappreciated. Now,
Speaker 2: I know you must have good reasons for being late.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's on My work is unimportant
Speaker 2: to you. Now, notice she didn't make any accusatory statements. No,
Speaker 2: you do this, you do this, you do that. They're
Speaker 2: all I statements. I feel this way, this is how
Speaker 2: I feel. Now, what if the guy brushes her feelings aside,
Speaker 2: said well, you just shouldn't feel that way, she has
Speaker 2: another opportunity to make her point. He's just proved what
Speaker 2: she just said, She might say, you know, honey, I
Speaker 2: tried to tell you that being late makes me feel
Speaker 2: unappreciated and unimportant. And then when my feelings about it
Speaker 2: are just brushed aside is unimportant, that makes me feel
Speaker 2: even more unimportant.
Speaker 3: Well, now the guy has no excuse. Now, I mean,
Speaker 3: she's just proved the very point he made.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a dufust Okay, but she's done it
Speaker 2: without attacking him. You have to be candid, now, the
Speaker 2: Bible says in Proverbs twenty five, five and six, better
Speaker 2: is open rebuke than hidden love and wounds from a
Speaker 2: friend can be trusted. In other words, if you really
Speaker 2: care about the relationship, sometime there is only one alternative.
Speaker 2: Confront force the issue, force the argument. Sometimes that's the
Speaker 2: only alternative in a relationship that's going south. You have
Speaker 2: to force the issue, and you have to confront in
Speaker 2: love and be willing to put up with the pain.
Speaker 3: So let's get real personal right now. Some of you
Speaker 3: are scared to.
Speaker 2: Death of what I'm going to say. Who do you
Speaker 2: need to get honest with? What problem in your relationship
Speaker 2: are you pretending isn't a problem?
Speaker 3: What problem?
Speaker 2: I don't see any problem. It's sitting there right in
Speaker 2: the living room, Ember, I can see it, but what problem?
Speaker 3: I don't see it?
Speaker 2: And you keep skirting around the issue and not dealing
Speaker 2: with it, not confronting it, and just living in pseudo intimacy.
Speaker 2: Which of those issues do you need to be candid about?
Speaker 2: You See, there's another word for keeping the peace. It's
Speaker 2: called codependency. And that is not a good thing, and
Speaker 2: that is not what God created you for. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: must care enough to confront Tom's gonna talk about the
Speaker 2: next one.
Speaker 5: There were three pastors that got together and decided to
Speaker 5: work on this honesty thing. They sat down in a
Speaker 5: small group and said, let's just be honest. Let's just
Speaker 5: be honest with each other about what our greatest struggle,
Speaker 5: our greatest sin is. The first guy launched things out,
Speaker 5: but I honestly said, you know, I struggle with lust.
Speaker 5: I always have, and I honestly have had some very
Speaker 5: very evil thoughts lately. The next guy said, well, since
Speaker 5: you were honest, I struggle with materialism, and I honestly
Speaker 5: i'm in debt up to hear. The third guy looked
Speaker 5: at him and said, well, I struggle with gossip, and
Speaker 5: I honestly can't wait to get to a telephone if
Speaker 5: relationships are gonna work. Number five, we have to be
Speaker 5: confidential with information. Why Because par Was eleven thirteen reminds
Speaker 5: us that a gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man,
Speaker 5: a trustworthy woman keeps a secret, or either kind of
Speaker 5: person who can keep people's confidences so that they can
Speaker 5: trust you. We tend to think of gossip as one
Speaker 5: of those little sins, you know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 5: the misdemeanor sins.
Speaker 6: They're sort of down here on the list.
Speaker 5: But when God talks about gossip, he puts it on
Speaker 5: the list up with things like sexual immorality and murder.
Speaker 5: Why Because it is so destructive to relationships. Gossip can
Speaker 5: tear a friendship apart, a family apart, a church family apart.
Speaker 5: More churches have been destroyed by gossip than persecution, More
Speaker 5: friendships have been destroyed by gossip than any other kind
Speaker 5: of disloyalty. It's incredibly destructive to relationships when you trust
Speaker 5: someone and then find out you couldn't trust them.
Speaker 6: What's so destructive about it? My favorite story.
Speaker 5: About gossip has always been of the man who went
Speaker 5: to the rabbi and confess the sin of gossip and
Speaker 5: ask them what penance can I do for this sin?
Speaker 5: And the Rabbi said, here's what you do. You take
Speaker 5: this feather pillow and walk up on this mountain, rip
Speaker 5: it open, and just let the feathers fly everywhere. Man
Speaker 5: did that and came back and said, is that it No,
Speaker 5: said the Rabbi, Now I want you to go pick
Speaker 5: up every feather. That's what gossip does. It just goes everywhere.
Speaker 5: You don't know the impact that it's having, but it's
Speaker 5: tearing relationships apart. It's tearing you apart in ways that
Speaker 5: you don't realize. Now, what is gossip? When we talk
Speaker 5: about what is gossip, let me give you a definition.
Speaker 5: Gossip is talking about a situation with somebody who is
Speaker 5: neither a part of the solution or a part of
Speaker 5: the problem, neither one. If they're not a part of
Speaker 5: the problem, If they're not a part of the solution,
Speaker 5: and you're talking with them about it, that is gossip.
Speaker 5: And if we're honest with ourselves, what we're doing is
Speaker 5: we're making ourselves feel a little bit more important at.
Speaker 6: Somebody else's expense.
Speaker 5: We're talking about their hurts and their problems to make
Speaker 5: us feel like we're a little bit morally superior to them.
Speaker 5: That's the danger in the herd of gossip. Gossip is
Speaker 5: such a dangerous thing that one of the one of
Speaker 5: the values that we have in our small groups at
Speaker 5: Saddleback is that we keep confidences that small group, whether
Speaker 5: our recovery group or.
Speaker 6: Any other kind of group.
Speaker 5: It's a place where you can come and talk about
Speaker 5: what you're facing in your life, and that stays within
Speaker 5: the group because this is such an.
Speaker 6: Important part of relationships.
Speaker 5: There's a story in the Old Testament about a family
Speaker 5: that struggled with gossip. You remember Moses from the Old Testament.
Speaker 5: He had a sister named Miriam, who one day got
Speaker 5: caught up in gossiping about Moses amidst the rest of
Speaker 5: the people. God called him in as a family Moses
Speaker 5: and Miriam and stood him in front of him and
Speaker 5: had a little talk. And he talked with Miriam and
Speaker 5: told her what she'd done wrong, and immediately on the spot,
Speaker 5: he gave her leprosy. Now some of you are thinking
Speaker 5: that sounds terrible, but I'd like that to happen to
Speaker 5: the person who gossiped against me. Not leprosy, but really
Speaker 5: bad stomach flew something where they really knew how much
Speaker 5: this hurt. You know what God did next? God invited
Speaker 5: Moses to pray for Miriam's healing the one who gossiped
Speaker 5: against him. Some of you, you've been deeply hurt by gossip,
Speaker 5: things that have been said around the office, or things
Speaker 5: that have been said in a breaking of a confidence,
Speaker 5: even with a Christian friend or in your family. And
Speaker 5: what God would say is pray for that person's healing
Speaker 5: that gossiped against you, so that you can be released
Speaker 5: from the hurt that's coming into your life. Others of you,
Speaker 5: you've been the one gossiping. You've been the one who
Speaker 5: has been sharing things about other people. And this story
Speaker 5: is in the Old Testament to remind us how serious
Speaker 5: it is and how hurtful it can be to people.
Speaker 5: So whatever side of this you are on, the truth
Speaker 5: is when you keep confidences, it makes relationships much more healthy,
Speaker 5: enables us to keep connecting to one another in healthy
Speaker 5: and genuine ways.
Speaker 3: Final key to connecting is to be committed.
Speaker 2: You must be committed to the relationship because good relationships
Speaker 2: take time.
Speaker 3: They don't happen by accident.
Speaker 2: They take cultivation, they take work, and it takes a
Speaker 2: lot of time to build a deep connection with somebody,
Speaker 2: and that requires commitment.
Speaker 1: This is pastor Rick's Daily Hope. We're so happy you've
Speaker 1: chosen to study along with us today. Rick will be
Speaker 1: back to close out our time today, but first we
Speaker 1: have some very exciting news. Generous friends of Daily Hope
Speaker 1: have offered a twenty five thousand dollars matching grant. That
Speaker 1: means whatever you give to help share the hope of
Speaker 1: Jesus worldwide will be doubled by the grant. But don't wait,
Speaker 1: because we only have a few days to meet this match.
Speaker 1: Any amount not met will be lost, so please act quickly.
Speaker 1: Here's Rick to tell you more.
Speaker 2: You know, I started Daily Hope so I could spread
Speaker 2: the good news about Jesus not just across America, but
Speaker 2: all around the world. And we want people to know
Speaker 2: that God's word is filled with hope and truth and
Speaker 2: the power that we need to follow him every day
Speaker 2: is available to every single one. You know as well
Speaker 2: as I do, that the Word of God changes lives.
Speaker 2: It's a live it's active, and it breathes new life
Speaker 2: and new love into all of our lives. So wherever
Speaker 2: you listen to this, whether you listen on the website,
Speaker 2: whether you listen on a radio station, or whether you
Speaker 2: listen to a podcast. You're a part of the Daily
Speaker 2: Hope family and I need your help. We could not
Speaker 2: do this without your support. Now, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: take any funds from this broadcast. We don't have any giant,
Speaker 2: million dollar donor who's giving big gifts to this. It
Speaker 2: comes from daily donations from listeners like you. We're one
Speaker 2: hundred percent listener funded. Would you continue to pray for
Speaker 2: this broadcast and would you continue to support us?
Speaker 3: And let write to me, let me hear from you.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love reading the stories that are sent to me.
Speaker 2: So write me, pray for me, and support this ministry,
Speaker 2: and God will bless it, and God will bless you,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to heaven, and we'll thank God for
Speaker 2: all the people going to be in heaven because you cared.
Speaker 1: When you give a gift to Daily Hope, you're helping
Speaker 1: share the hope of Jesus with people everywhere. And right now,
Speaker 1: your gift will be doubled by a twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars matching grant call eight hundred six hundred five thousand
Speaker 1: and four, Or you can visit pastor Rick dot com
Speaker 1: and we'll send you Going Deeper with God, a personal
Speaker 1: renewal retreat to say thanks again. That's eight hundred six
Speaker 1: hundred five thousand and four or pastor Rick dot com.
Speaker 1: Be sure to let us know the call letters of
Speaker 1: this station when you give a gift to help meet
Speaker 1: the matching grant. Join us again next time as we
Speaker 1: look into God's word for our daily hope. This program
Speaker 1: is sponsored by Pastor ricks Daily Hope and your generous
Speaker 1: financial support