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<v Speaker 1>So man, go ahead. So I don't think any just

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<v Speaker 1>spols for actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna I'll argue, which is ridiculous because Muslims and Methodists

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<v Speaker 2>today have been popping off.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously if they're not going to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually debate, which I didn't think they would, then it's

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<v Speaker 2>open for them. If your quest to speak, I'll bring

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<v Speaker 2>you up. What's on your mind? Nobody, nobody has any

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<v Speaker 2>questions comments. None of the Muslims, none of the Methodists

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<v Speaker 2>would come and debate. What amount of pretty coweries due

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<v Speaker 2>the student speaking out there? O my gosh, I was

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to this too because we had so many

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<v Speaker 2>people popping off talking smack and none of them will

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<v Speaker 2>actually co make their arguments.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>I'mut, So was it you those keeping yapping in my comments?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with all your stup your stupid bad arguments.

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<v Speaker 3>Stupid bad arguments. What was the bad argument that I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're your Koran says that's confirmed by the prior revelation,

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<v Speaker 2>and you said the private revelation is all corrupt, so

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<v Speaker 2>you just owned yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're what was the initial topic.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that have to do with this argument?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you're afraid because I provided you evidence I'm

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<v Speaker 3>afraid of sources nationalism and tribalism, and then not where

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<v Speaker 3>you're allowed to enslave women, allowed to rape women?

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<v Speaker 1>Say that that never says rape in the text. You're lying.

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<v Speaker 1>It never says that, you want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Where does it say rape in the text?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, do around me very well?

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<v Speaker 2>You sure?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? So let's read it together.

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<v Speaker 4>Where does the text a man if I'm reading it

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<v Speaker 4>to you, if a man happens to meet a virgin

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<v Speaker 4>who is not pledged to be married and rape her

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<v Speaker 4>and they are discovered, you shall pay her father fifty

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<v Speaker 4>shekels of silver.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, does allow you, idiot?

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<v Speaker 3>The young woman, he can never get.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the penalty. That's a penalty. It's not allowing for

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<v Speaker 2>you have to pay the dowry. You have to pay

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<v Speaker 2>the dowry.

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<v Speaker 4>So if I reap your daughter, would you be satisfied

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<v Speaker 4>I pay you fifty shekels? Be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the law. Now that's the law. Then on,

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<v Speaker 2>So you think that's so you think that's corrupt.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel I believe this is disgusting and it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So your then your koran? So can you can you

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<v Speaker 2>correct your Kuran? Then is confirmed by a corrupt the text? Correct?

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<v Speaker 5>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>I answered your question?

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<v Speaker 6>Is the okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Is the Koran confirmed by prior revelation?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he confirms the initial confirmation of the target.

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<v Speaker 2>It confirms the initial confirmation. That's pure gibberish. Does the

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<v Speaker 2>Okay confirmed by a corrupt the text?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't leaving deed eeronomy, no one, no Muslim does

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<v Speaker 4>what the prior revelation? The prior revelations that engel in

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<v Speaker 4>the Torah?

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Torah, you idiot? Yeah? I know this,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is correct. Confirm it is confirmed by a

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<v Speaker 2>corrupted text, you idiot? Yeah, the Quran confirmed by a

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<v Speaker 2>corrupt detect You just admitted that's corrupted.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is corrupted.

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<v Speaker 2>Is conferred by a corruption.

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<v Speaker 3>Been a bust tells us.

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<v Speaker 2>Is correct, conferred by a corrupted text.

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<v Speaker 3>It confirms and revelation of the Torah, which is what

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<v Speaker 3>you're reading.

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<v Speaker 2>Because, idiot, there's a rape in your Bible.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro, I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have an argument. You just owned yourself. So

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<v Speaker 2>he just admitted the Torah. He didn't realize he's reading

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<v Speaker 2>the Torah, and the Torah for him is a corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>the text. The Koran is confirmed by corrupt the text.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the stupidity of these people. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't it say you can rape people. It says

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<v Speaker 2>that if there is a rape that was confirmed, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to pay the penalty of a dowry. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>saying you can rape you idiot. All right, here's next.

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<v Speaker 2>Since we had our low iq must song, what's up.

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<v Speaker 5>Do?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Listen?

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<v Speaker 7>Dude, you're gonna sit here with that argument, and you're

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<v Speaker 7>not even gonna listen to the fact that bron also

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<v Speaker 7>says the previous revelations are corrupted.

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<v Speaker 8>We don't have that today.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't understand how dumb that is. You don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>how stupid this argument. Yeah, you're a fucking idiot. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>say exactly, no argument, just calling me a fucking idiot

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<v Speaker 2>because you can't actually argue the position because you're too stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>He's low iq hintbred idiots who can't basic propositions.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, Isaiah, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>See you see how these people act. Do you understand

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<v Speaker 2>that it can't be confirmed if the previous thing is corrupted?

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<v Speaker 2>How could it confirm if it's corrupted? This is so

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<v Speaker 2>stupid icy. What's up. I'm musical.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I'm not a Muslim, But I always wanted to

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<v Speaker 9>ask you the question for this for years, Like I

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<v Speaker 9>read Jonathan Page's brother's book, The Language of Creation, and

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<v Speaker 9>I just want to understand what the church says about

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<v Speaker 9>taking Genesis as.

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<v Speaker 2>Literal, what the first says?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, just in his brother's book, Matthew PAGEO, he kind

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<v Speaker 9>of just goes into the symbolism of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Matthew Paste is not Orthodox.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a schizophrenic guy who's kind of out there on

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<v Speaker 2>the French.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't I didn't know. Well, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not being me and that's just no.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I'm glad you told me that. I think

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<v Speaker 9>I thank God you told me that. Plus with Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 9>but Jonathan Pago takes Genesis as as non minerals.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine. I disagree with that, but that's that's such

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<v Speaker 1>a position.

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<v Speaker 9>So the Orthodox Church doesn't really have anything to say

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<v Speaker 9>on that or there.

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue that it's an inconsistent position because the

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<v Speaker 2>sixth Ecumentical Council says that you cannot say that death

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<v Speaker 2>existed prior to Adam's fault.

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<v Speaker 9>So I think it's Oh yeah, they argue, they argue that,

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<v Speaker 9>so that means that would extend to like the Christians,

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<v Speaker 9>I believe in evolution.

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<v Speaker 10>What right.

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<v Speaker 2>There? But I don't think they're intentionally being heretics. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think you appreciate your question.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 11>Did you just.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you just say that you're allowed to rape as

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<v Speaker 3>long as you pear dowry to.

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<v Speaker 2>The to the to the father that I say you're allowed?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you that stupid? Did I say that you just

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<v Speaker 2>said that.

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<v Speaker 11>I was just.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody?

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<v Speaker 12>The brother provided evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it's a penalty under law fare if you

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<v Speaker 2>if you engage in that action, the penalty is you

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<v Speaker 2>have to pay the dowry and you're liable to marry

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<v Speaker 2>the woman. So it's a penalty. It's a legal penal

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<v Speaker 2>sanction against it. It's not saying you can rape.

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<v Speaker 5>You and what happens to the woman?

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<v Speaker 12>Does she marry him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>According to the oh so you marry the the rapists

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<v Speaker 3>if he.

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<v Speaker 2>If these are the laws of warfare, which which negate

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility of acting in a brutal way. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's actually dissuading you from committing rape.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not saying you can commit rape, you idiot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's a penalty, penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for admitting it's a penalty, a penalty. You's

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<v Speaker 2>admitted it's a penalty, you idiot.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you when I was trying penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not saying you can do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Married the reapist is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You just admitted it's a penalty, you dummy. So that

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<v Speaker 2>you're lying about what I said, it proves you're lying

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<v Speaker 2>about what I both so would you about what I said?

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<v Speaker 2>So you're so hold on is does the Koran based

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<v Speaker 2>on the to then? Is it confirmed by the before

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<v Speaker 2>you jump? You can't answer them. You can't answer the dilemma,

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<v Speaker 2>can't you know?

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm just saying as many pass you that says

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<v Speaker 3>you can read.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it does idea.

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<v Speaker 5>The Book of Isaiah says you had the Book of

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<v Speaker 5>Zachar do what you dummy.

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<v Speaker 2>You just admitted it's a penalty. So it's not saying

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<v Speaker 2>you can't penalty.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make sense because you marry the reapist.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a penalty, Yes, it does. So at world, if

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<v Speaker 2>you violated, would you not to bury the if in

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<v Speaker 2>the ancient if not the world, we don't live in

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<v Speaker 2>the intro. I just need to pay you fifty seconds. Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>stop talking. It's a penalty that means you can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's an act. It dissuades you from doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know a dowry dowry.

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<v Speaker 3>Flesh and drink his blood.

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<v Speaker 13>You become stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're demonically possessed because you just it's Sunday drink.

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<v Speaker 2>You just admit it that you're a blaspheamer. You just

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<v Speaker 2>admitted that the Koran is confirmed by a corrupt detext

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<v Speaker 2>So you just undid your whole brother. You just said that, you.

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<v Speaker 6>Dude.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's a penalty, then you can't do it, you dummy.

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<v Speaker 2>You said it's a penalty, Well, who does she marry you?

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<v Speaker 2>The girl? The girl marries the rapist.

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<v Speaker 14>That's crazy, bro, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not crazy. It's the ancient world, dummy, And you

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<v Speaker 2>just admitted that you lied because you said I said

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<v Speaker 2>you could do it. But then you said it's a penalty. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>a penalty is a legal dissuaiter. It's not doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not saying you can do it, you idiot. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the stupidest people on the planet. In the ancient world,

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<v Speaker 2>if you violated a woman, she was no longer able

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<v Speaker 2>to be married off, and thus you had to pay

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<v Speaker 2>a massive amount of money. A dowry is not a

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<v Speaker 2>small amount of money. So this is a pedal that

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<v Speaker 2>dissuades you from doing it in a world that was brutal, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>ancient brutality, and these are mitigating factors in the ancient

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<v Speaker 2>world against the brutality of the pagan world. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>these people are lying and stupid because their own texts

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<v Speaker 2>that they are Every time they say that this is

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<v Speaker 2>all corrupt the texts, they're undoing the Quran because the

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<v Speaker 2>Koran says it's confirmed by the Torah sid So I

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<v Speaker 2>wish one of the Muslims that could actually make the

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<v Speaker 2>argument and follow through. Do you understand how stupid that was?

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<v Speaker 2>You said you could read. Uh No, if it's a penalty,

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<v Speaker 2>it's dissuaded you from doing it. The penalty is not

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<v Speaker 2>a light penalty, it's a severe penalty. A dowry was

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<v Speaker 2>like I forget the exact percentage, but it was like

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<v Speaker 2>multiple years of income, or at least a year's income,

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<v Speaker 2>his whole religion is based on slavery. What's he talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>talk about morals. Allah is multiple times in the Kuran

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<v Speaker 1>So wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm started talking to you about that.

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<v Speaker 2>where the different legal thick rulings come from. It's all

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<v Speaker 15>Because based on what I know is that, yeah, legally

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what Deuteronomy is actually trying to mitigate, is

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<v Speaker 2>that tendency. So the laws are mitigating the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>if you engage in that activity exactly.

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<v Speaker 15>And from an Islamic perspective, they have a cart blanche

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they're saying, yeah, they're saying it's morally reprehensible

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<v Speaker 15>Good point, it's crazy, man, anyway, That's all I want

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<v Speaker 15>to say, right point.

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<v Speaker 2>and say that the Koran is confirmed by the Torah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is so stupid. Oh you mean it's confirmed by

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that you just says corrupt. And then they'll

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<v Speaker 2>say yes, but not all the Torah. Oh well, then

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<v Speaker 2>what's the How do we know what the correct Tora is?

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<v Speaker 2>But it's what the krun says. It's a good job done.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing in question. So Hit requests to speak up.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the low iq muscles. There are some of

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<v Speaker 1>the funnest people. They By the way, this is good

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<v Speaker 2>And pay attention and show the part where they're dishonest.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys clip this, whether JDA or dire Central

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<v Speaker 2>by the Torah, and then he says the Torre's corrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>So and then the other guy says, you literally say

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<v Speaker 2>he says, yeah, you're saying it's a penalty. Well, if

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<v Speaker 2>it's a penalty, then it's a dissuader, dummy, So who's

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<v Speaker 1>It requests to speak. We don't have to talk about Islam.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to defend Protestantism, if those idiot methodists

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<v Speaker 2>are here, if you want to come to Finitane defend

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're going to come. The people just

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<v Speaker 1>and then when they come to date.

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<v Speaker 2>They said Thomas Crop ever sit on the hut bay

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<v Speaker 1>Literally and acting a Muslim trying to have it yep,

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<v Speaker 1>what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, church history.

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<v Speaker 9>But I would consider myself solo script toward because it

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<v Speaker 9>seems like like your side will say we're capful.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're not super understood.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I will say that for sure. But but I'm

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<v Speaker 9>just saying that your side seems like they will say

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<v Speaker 9>that they depend on divine revelation in the end, and

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<v Speaker 9>for me, I depend on the Holy Spirit. So I

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<v Speaker 9>just kind of don't see the big distinction there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, how do we know it's given that every

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<v Speaker 2>sect out there claims that are left by the Holy Spirit,

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know, yeah, but that but I feel like

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<v Speaker 9>we're in the same position if you say his divine revelation.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking you, since that exists everybody having different claims

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<v Speaker 2>of being led by the Spirit, what's the public objective

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<v Speaker 9>You tell me the public objective? Oh, I see, I

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<v Speaker 9>get what you're saying. You're saying, since we can appeal

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<v Speaker 2>And do you recognize that there are every sect out

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 9>And I think it's a problem too. I understand it's

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<v Speaker 9>a problem. That's why you got all these Mormons in Okay,

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<v Speaker 9>So we would well.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the thing that is the arbiter between all these

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<v Speaker 9>It would it would have to be a church, it

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<v Speaker 2>So well, good news turns out there's a church that

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<v Speaker 2>to now. Okay, so I'll give what you said, because

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<v Speaker 2>way spirit, all of them. Okay, Well, then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>Uh that is some way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it turns out we can go find out what

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<v Speaker 2>the church of the first thousand years taught. By the way, John,

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<v Speaker 16>So I'm curious as to the distinction in the Trinity

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<v Speaker 16>when it comes to orthodox versus Protestantism.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean there's a lot of disinctions and the Trinity.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 16>I guess then I need to come back with a

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, it's a fine question. But what exactly I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you talk about philioquay, the essenceyentri distinction, nature, person,

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<v Speaker 2>eternal generation, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm inquiring Orthodoxy and I was raised Protestant. So I'm

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<v Speaker 16>just trying to figure out at least key distinctions that

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, the Second Ecumenical Council teaches that the Father

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<v Speaker 2>hyposeacic property or is unique identifier. So that right there,

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<v Speaker 2>and this qualifies all Protestantism because all Protestants defaulted to

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<v Speaker 2>believe in the Philioquay because they're Augustinian out of the Reformation.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. All of Protestanism canceled out. Right there.

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<v Speaker 2>About another one, All Protestanism is canceled out because they

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<v Speaker 2>teach a created grace just like the Roman Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Orthodox teaching is that we participate in the

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<v Speaker 16>Okay, that's a good place to start, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Most Protestants, by the way, teach Classical Protestants teach a

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<v Speaker 2>form of equalitarian trinitarian relations or equalitarianism in the Trinity,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not the traditional view because that again compromises

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<v Speaker 2>that is one percent clear a stay of the Cavadocian teaching,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the teaching of the Second Ethnical Council. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you all want to be Protestants and reject the

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<v Speaker 2>Second Medical Council, that's up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's next, and Dialogue ever wants to speak O bring

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<v Speaker 1>you up.

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<v Speaker 2>Topics are anything to do with Islam, anything to do

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<v Speaker 1>If you have other questions, feel free. I know, Floridian,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you had some.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she wanted to try to talk about last night,

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<v Speaker 1>So Floridian, if you'd like to hop up, feel free.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also open to any other topics, geopolitics, conspiracy, history, cults, gnosticism,

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<v Speaker 2>black heuber, Israelites, fever roots, Zionism, Messianic Judaism. Any of

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<v Speaker 2>these topics are open fair game today, just sitting request

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<v Speaker 2>to speaking off pop By the way, I just passed

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<v Speaker 2>white sands in Mexico in the middle of nowhere's pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 1>People bring their snowboards and they slid down the dunes,

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<v Speaker 1>which I did not know.

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<v Speaker 2>Retro, what's up, man, do those two first Muslims were cold?

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<v Speaker 17>you have to interpret all the writings of popes and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 17>How would that be different from say, the writings of

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<v Speaker 17>the church fathers and the councils and interpreting those.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not different, That's the point.

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<v Speaker 2>The point is that everybody's in the same boat, and

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<v Speaker 2>so when a Roman Catholic tries to say that the

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<v Speaker 2>papacy will give you individual certitude about the doctrines, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the point is that it doesn't just moves upon the

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<v Speaker 1>So the point is that we're all in the same boat.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're not going to solve it by just saying, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that guy solves it, or this thing solves it. The

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody actually says that.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Roman Catholics admit that individual Ruman Catholics are guided

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the admission that they have as well. Then

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<v Speaker 2>the question isn't whether the papacy can give you certitude.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is which church is the same structure and

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<v Speaker 2>functionality of the first millennium church?

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<v Speaker 13>Perfect that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great question that one comes up a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So appreciate that. It's always worth stating that. Robert Castle subject,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, Robert.

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<v Speaker 1>Ta can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 18>Yes, sir, Hey, So you said you said you're driving

434
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<v Speaker 18>through the middle of nowhere in New Mexico, right, I

435
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<v Speaker 18>had a funny anecdote. I'm actually from the middle of

436
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<v Speaker 18>nowhere in New Mexico, and I grew up about twenty

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<v Speaker 18>minutes away from Zoro Ranch, and my my buddy in

438
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<v Speaker 18>cub Scouts when I was a kid, his dad was

439
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<v Speaker 18>actually the ranch manager. And so I went to a

440
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<v Speaker 18>Zoro ranch when I was like thirteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, And what was it open to the public?

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<v Speaker 1>What was it at that time? No, it was it

443
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<v Speaker 1>was definitely not open.

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<v Speaker 18>That was what was weird about the experience was I mean,

445
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<v Speaker 18>I didn't know anything about Epstein at the time.

446
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<v Speaker 2>I was a kid, you know. But we went out

447
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<v Speaker 2>there and.

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<v Speaker 18>It's just like out in the middle of the desert

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<v Speaker 18>in the Galastdale base and just like off of Highway

450
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<v Speaker 18>forty one, and the entrance had these like giant rocks

451
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<v Speaker 18>at the front, and you know, it had this like

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<v Speaker 18>super long driveway. But we went there and I just

453
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<v Speaker 18>like spent the night with my friend, just one night,

454
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<v Speaker 18>and we pulled up and it was like this fake

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<v Speaker 18>It was like a movie set, like all this new

456
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<v Speaker 18>construction and the buildings were painted like different primary colors,

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<v Speaker 18>you know. And I remember even being like twelve thirteen

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<v Speaker 18>years old looking around and being like what the.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Fuck is like, what is this place?

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<v Speaker 6>Like like a fake?

461
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<v Speaker 18>It's like a fake place. But then it wasn't. Like

462
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<v Speaker 18>it was like seven years later I found out all

463
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<v Speaker 18>this stuff about where I actually was. But anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 18>just a funny story. But I just I was wondering

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<v Speaker 18>if you had seen some of the stuff Mark Goodwin

466
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<v Speaker 18>was talking about with bitcoin, because he's he's interesting in

467
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<v Speaker 18>that he's recognizing a lot of the connections with you know,

468
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<v Speaker 18>Epstein and the Peel you know, the bitcoin mafia and

469
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<v Speaker 18>all that, but or the PayPal mafia rather, but he's

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<v Speaker 18>not blackpailed about it, or at least he seems optimistic

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<v Speaker 18>in a sense.

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<v Speaker 14>I was curious to what you thought about what he

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<v Speaker 14>had been.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Jeffery put money into everything. He was interested

475
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<v Speaker 2>in email, he was interested in stocks. So does that

476
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<v Speaker 2>mean that, oh, I can't be involved in email because

477
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein was involved in it.

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<v Speaker 1>So email is an Epstein operation. I mean that's retarded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he doesn't seem to be.

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<v Speaker 18>He doesn't seem to be saying that that people shouldn't

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<v Speaker 18>be involved.

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<v Speaker 12>I've and that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What I don't understand what you mean Blackfield about what

484
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<v Speaker 2>I mean again, If'ting threw money at everything, it makes

485
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<v Speaker 2>sense that he would throw money at every emerging tech,

486
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:18.000
<v Speaker 2>which is what he did, biotech, commute computers, AI, bitcoin, crypto.

487
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<v Speaker 2>So like it's just just such a boat here argument

488
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<v Speaker 2>that oh he had money in pitpoint. Therefore big Point

489
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>is an Epstein operation. Well he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 18>That's why I was asking if you had seen what

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<v Speaker 18>Mark Goodwin said, because he doesn't seem to I don't

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<v Speaker 18>know who that is.

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<v Speaker 14>He's a he's a.

494
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<v Speaker 18>Former editor of Bitcoin magazine, and he's a he he

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<v Speaker 18>has articles released on Unlimited Hangout, which is Whitney Webb's website.

496
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<v Speaker 1>But okay, but Whitney Webb.

497
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<v Speaker 2>I now like Whitney Webb generally, but also if you

498
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.279
<v Speaker 2>watch Bitcoin Mechanics reputation of Whitney Webb, he shows that

499
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<v Speaker 2>she has no idea about the technology. And so Whitney's

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is just like, well, BlackRock's buying bitcoin. The

501
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.319
<v Speaker 2>bitcoin's now compromised. But the problem is that you can't

502
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<v Speaker 2>stop It's like you can't stop people from buying these things.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like saying that I'm not gonna buy gold because

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<v Speaker 2>the roth Child's own gold.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, but like that's there's no way around that.

506
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Like you can't if it's in the open market, you're

507
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<v Speaker 2>not gonna be able to stop people from buying things.

508
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<v Speaker 1>But just because the roth Child's own gold.

509
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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that, Oh well, I guess gold I'm

510
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<v Speaker 2>gonna hold dollars because the roth Child's own gold. It's just,

511
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<v Speaker 2>it's all this stuff is super just low tier dumb arguments.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying you, but I'm saying the people that

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<v Speaker 2>will say, I mean, I'm not I like bitcoin over gold,

514
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<v Speaker 2>but I'm saying gold is better than Fiat. But imagine saying, well,

515
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna buy Fiat because the roth Child's own Fiat.

516
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<v Speaker 2>The Queen of England has a bunch of gold. So

517
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<v Speaker 2>that's evil currency that It's just dumb. It's so stupid, MKG.

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<v Speaker 1>What's something, hey, Jay?

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<v Speaker 15>Another thing I was thinking regarding the Muslim very rigid,

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<v Speaker 15>simplest stig myopic view they seem to have, and just

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<v Speaker 15>looking at Islamic history, they seem to have this very

522
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<v Speaker 15>abominable version of symphonia.

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<v Speaker 8>They don't have this.

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<v Speaker 15>Crime sin distinction, at least not in the way Christianity does.

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<v Speaker 15>So everything is broad brushed, everything is relative. Things are

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<v Speaker 15>not categorically placed in the way Christianity places, you know,

527
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<v Speaker 15>civic rights, spiritual rights, so apostasy, for example, like all

528
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<v Speaker 15>the Muslim clerics would still have to hold that if

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<v Speaker 15>in an Islamic state, a Muslim born person converts to Christianity,

530
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<v Speaker 15>if the state is Muslim, they should execute that person.

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<v Speaker 15>So and and some people say, oh, but in the

532
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<v Speaker 15>Christian Empire there were also apostasy you know, death sentences,

533
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<v Speaker 15>capital punishments, but it was never very It was more

534
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<v Speaker 15>a wartime strategy. Even in Byzantium it had that civic

535
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<v Speaker 15>spiritual distinction. The Orthodox Church never would subscribe, or at

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<v Speaker 15>least correct me if I'm wrong, would say that someone

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<v Speaker 15>who apostasizes from Christianity ought to be punished capitally, that

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<v Speaker 15>person should be turned to repentance. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's not true, Well, there's a lot of different

540
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<v Speaker 2>legislations for different situations. So it more so depends on Like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to leave the Christian faith, one is

542
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<v Speaker 2>free to do that. You can't let the church says up,

543
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you might get excommunicated. More So, what becomes

544
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<v Speaker 2>a civil penalty is when you become a civil disturbance.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you begin to, for example.

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<v Speaker 2>Teach some new heretical sect and people have to understand

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<v Speaker 2>that because because religion was an intimate part of the

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<v Speaker 2>world in the ancient world and in the medieval world.

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<v Speaker 2>It was also thus a revolutionary force if you were

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<v Speaker 2>a sectarian. And so one of the reasons that the

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<v Speaker 2>princes had laws against these kinds of heretical sex is

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<v Speaker 2>that it could create a social revolution, as actually many

553
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<v Speaker 2>of the medieval cults and sex did. For example in France,

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<v Speaker 2>that the cathari ended up becoming a political social movement

555
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<v Speaker 2>that took over several areas of France. They held like

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<v Speaker 2>four or five different castles and strongholds. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>why the princes were trying to stamp it out ahead

558
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 2>of time, was because they understood that this could become

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<v Speaker 2>as it could.

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<v Speaker 1>Undo you know, the different kingdoms.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why there are at times legal civil penalties

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<v Speaker 2>for heresy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that makes it actually makes.

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<v Speaker 15>Perfect exactly and that's a proper use of symphonia.

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<v Speaker 12>But they don't have that like it's still merger.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have those distinctions. They think of it like

567
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<v Speaker 2>God wants you to die right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's there.

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<v Speaker 15>There's no semblance of you know, distinction of crime versus sin.

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<v Speaker 15>You know, a crime is a sin, but a sin

571
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<v Speaker 15>is not a crime. And I think Joel Webbin made

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<v Speaker 15>a good point of that on one of his podcast episodes.

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<v Speaker 15>But it's just it's really fascinating that from from my

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<v Speaker 15>point vantage point when I see even from the laity

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<v Speaker 15>of the Muslims, that the way they interact with religious

576
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<v Speaker 15>and the theological issues, it's very much like CNN Fox

577
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<v Speaker 15>News kind of slogans. What are the slogans, what what

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<v Speaker 15>are the emotional emotionally because.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, because most of them are ad i Q

580
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<v Speaker 2>people and it's in bred retard to religion literal I mean,

581
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<v Speaker 2>not being me, and that's just the facts.

582
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<v Speaker 1>So what do you expect.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the whole religion is the mindset of an

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<v Speaker 2>Arab slave owner, master slave. I mean it's like you're

585
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<v Speaker 2>all a slave, so of course they're going to believe

586
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<v Speaker 2>that their deity is an Arab slave owner.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's essentially what the deity is.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's it's a perfect religion for low IQ

589
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.679
<v Speaker 2>desert dwelling people who think that Satan dwells in a

590
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 2>rock wall that you can throw a rock side. I

591
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<v Speaker 2>mean it's retarded, dude, they believe that the double farts.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like it's just crazy. I mean, beople to

593
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<v Speaker 2>have this like really deep mystical meaning, it's a retarded religion. Man,

594
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<v Speaker 2>it's a dumb cult, and cults always have these really

595
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 2>dumb positions. Fuck who's next?

596
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Hoping for him?

597
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:45.480
<v Speaker 2>We'll keep going as long as we have the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a really fascinating drive. In the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere in New Mexico. We just saw a big I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it looks like a Catholic shrine. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>what it was. He's not question anything to do with

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<v Speaker 2>Protestanism is Bob church history, papal city, evangelical holds heber

603
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<v Speaker 2>is or lights heber roots, sam.

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<v Speaker 1>H go to Sam and then to Nico.

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<v Speaker 13>Difficult, okay. A guy a few minutes ago asked about uh, yeah, can.

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<v Speaker 1>You one at a time? Samuel de Nico?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 19>A guy a few minutes ago asked about the difference

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<v Speaker 19>between Trinitarian or Protestant trinitarianism versus Orthodox trinitarianism, and you

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<v Speaker 19>said they have like a kind of an equality type

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<v Speaker 19>of I don't know if that's who gets described the

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<v Speaker 19>kind of co equal, co eternal type. I guess like

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<v Speaker 19>shorthand of it, versus you said, orthodoxis menorah like.

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<v Speaker 1>King, monarchic goal pnitarianism.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 19>So how how does how does how do those differ specifically?

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<v Speaker 19>And how does that avoid any issue of like one

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<v Speaker 19>being like subservient of the other and the Godhead.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna go and tell you to go watch

620
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 2>all the lectures and interviews that we don't talk to

621
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.559
<v Speaker 2>boat Brins depth and I'm not going to repeat twenty

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00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>hours of podcasting lectures right here, Nico.

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<v Speaker 6>What's up?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Jay? I wanted to ask something. You know in Islam?

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<v Speaker 6>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>So, in Islam they promised to believers that once you

628
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<v Speaker 5>go to heaven, if you make it to heaven, your

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<v Speaker 5>promise for example, for men, your promise you know like

630
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<v Speaker 5>con combines and women and eternal you know, like it's

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<v Speaker 5>like headonistic part dice.

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<v Speaker 1>The humans. They're like savage defeat tal giant women.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, So how can a person be moral if if

635
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<v Speaker 5>your highest point in life is to make it to

636
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<v Speaker 5>a hedonistic heaven, how can you be moral and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like being.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they're just yeah, I get it right, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're just gonna say moral is whatever all our worlds

640
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<v Speaker 2>and which I really think it's system.

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<v Speaker 1>But olepos what's up, Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay, I wanted to ask you.

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<v Speaker 20>In Greek, the word for heaven is and paradise. Is

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<v Speaker 20>there a difference between those two. Is Paradise like a

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<v Speaker 20>state and heaven is like a sort of a place?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I think in Orthodox theology, Paradise is Eden.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where Adam and e where it's where Enoch and

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<v Speaker 2>Elijah were translated or translated to. And so it's different

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<v Speaker 2>than having proper, which is the third heavens, which is

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<v Speaker 2>God's thrown So there's.

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<v Speaker 1>A distinction there.

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<v Speaker 20>Okay, perfect, thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, let's see who's next.

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<v Speaker 21>M It's me, Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 10>So I have a question because the bishop in Poland

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<v Speaker 10>I can make you make a statement that we should

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<v Speaker 10>go to synagogue and no in the anniversary of the Pope.

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<v Speaker 2>JP two going there.

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<v Speaker 10>So questions should we go and pray in synagog?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? The ancient canon for vision bring and senagogue sending

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<v Speaker 2>Worthodox speciallymen all inside to go to the synagogue. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to visit.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's sad, that's terrible. No, that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert, what's up, Roberto? Hello?

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<v Speaker 22>Hello, I just wanted to follow up on what the

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<v Speaker 22>previous Carla was asking about Heaven and Eden, just contrasting,

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<v Speaker 22>what what's the Orthodox theological view of Abraham's Bosom when

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<v Speaker 22>compared to Eden?

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<v Speaker 13>Because I'm Roman.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Abraham's Bosom was a place in eighties, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>where the righteous the Old Testament resided prior prior to Christ. Harrowing.

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<v Speaker 13>So with that is is that way infants went historically

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<v Speaker 13>before Christ? In the Orthodox view?

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly there is some speculation, but I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>we have a heart, okay, like we know for sure

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<v Speaker 1>position okay.

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<v Speaker 22>And then so for us, I was trying to read

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<v Speaker 22>more about the original sin versus ancestral sin distinction in

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<v Speaker 22>the Orthodox versus the Catholic view. So why is it

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<v Speaker 22>in the Orthodox view that people went to Abraham's bosom

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<v Speaker 22>because people didn't triumph over because Christ hadn't triumphed over

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<v Speaker 22>death yet in the Orthodox view, is that is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Why people went to Abraham's Bosom?

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<v Speaker 13>Yes, yeah, right, okay?

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<v Speaker 22>So for us Enoch and Lies, we don't have a

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<v Speaker 22>position whether they went to Eden or Heaven or to

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<v Speaker 22>Abraham's Bosom. What sweat does that come from? In the

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<v Speaker 22>Orthodox view? Where can I read about that? That Enoch

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<v Speaker 22>and Lies went to Eden.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they haven't died yet, so they were translated to Paradise,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have not died yet. They wouldn't be in Heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>they would be in Paradise. So then and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>we would say that, like in the Book of Revelation,

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<v Speaker 2>and it appears that they do come back to be martyr.

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<v Speaker 22>And then how does that figure with Moses, Like how

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<v Speaker 22>does that work with Moses and Elias coming back at

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<v Speaker 22>the trans and Elias coming back at the transfiguration. So

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<v Speaker 22>does Moses get taken from Abraham's Bosom and then Elias

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<v Speaker 22>from Eden for the transfigurations?

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly? Possibly?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, well hold on, so because here he's I'm

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<v Speaker 2>took about the Book of Revelation where.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's isn't a nich and Elijah?

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<v Speaker 13>So yeah, you're right about Revelation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. And that's because that's because there are

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<v Speaker 2>the only two people who didn't undergo death, but Moses

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<v Speaker 2>did undergo death, and so Moses will be resurrected like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else in the resurrection.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, because it always was sort of interesting because in

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<v Speaker 22>the Transfiguration in the Gospels, Moses is there, but I

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<v Speaker 22>was trying to figure out where he's actually where God's

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<v Speaker 22>bringing him from.

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<v Speaker 13>In the Gospel.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think that most is right. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>in Hades, in the in the in the realm of

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<v Speaker 2>the righteous, right.

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<v Speaker 13>In Yeah, okay, sorry, you're cutting it, thank you?

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<v Speaker 22>Yes, So if anything else so then Abraham, yes, sorry,

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<v Speaker 22>and then Abraham's bosom for the Orthodox is empty at

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<v Speaker 22>the moment. I think it's the same for Catholics as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're supposed to believe in the uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>descent into Hades, although in Roman Catholic theology, in my estimation,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really unclear what the point of that is or

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, it doesn't have much significance in Catholic theology,

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<v Speaker 2>like it doesn't Orthomoz. Why is that?

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<v Speaker 13>Why Why do you say, because I've heard about.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Eastern theology, Because Eastern theology stressed and emphasized the

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<v Speaker 2>cosmic scope of christ redemption, and after Saint Maximus and

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that all of reality is going to be transfigured,

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<v Speaker 2>and after the Middle Ages in the Latin West, after

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<v Speaker 2>a quietness and Anselm and Augustine, Latin theology does not

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<v Speaker 2>hold to any significance for the universe for Christ assuming

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<v Speaker 2>universal human nature?

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<v Speaker 13>Okay?

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<v Speaker 22>And is there anywhere I can read about that that comparison?

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<v Speaker 22>I don't want to waste your time. When can I

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<v Speaker 22>read about that? That comparison?

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote an essay?

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote an I wrote an essay on that, but

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<v Speaker 2>you could read just the Cosmic h Cosmic Mystery of

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ by Saint Maximus.

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was Yeah, those great questions. I appreciate, though,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't they haven't delft into that topic in a long time.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I'm in the I didn't realize it's mountainous up

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<v Speaker 2>here in northern New Mexico, so it's actually a totally

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<v Speaker 2>different climate than where I was. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how long the self connection will last here, but feel

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<v Speaker 2>we'll try to continue as long as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to John, what's up John.

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<v Speaker 2>In the chat, Shout out to slow Boys, Shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to Jay Dyer Archive, Shout out to Nevsky, all our

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<v Speaker 2>buddies in the chat. Props to all of you guys

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<v Speaker 2>that are churning out the clips. Really appreciate that the

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<v Speaker 2>request to speak. I'll bring you up while we still

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<v Speaker 2>have a little bit of a signal. I doubt it

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<v Speaker 2>will last much longer. I just passed Alan Migordo and

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<v Speaker 2>White Sands Air Force Base, so I did get in

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<v Speaker 2>k ultra reprogrammed by the aliens at Roswell's.

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<v Speaker 1>We were only about an hour from Roswell and so

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<v Speaker 1>they have programmed me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a chosen Pleadian and the Blue Avians are the

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<v Speaker 2>real good Aliens and the chicken headed Aliens with the

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<v Speaker 2>bad guys.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up aiden.

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<v Speaker 2>Question?

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<v Speaker 14>Do it like Old Testament relations? I guess in a way.

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<v Speaker 14>So this is like a Protestant hypothetical question. Like they

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<v Speaker 14>have their invisible Church doctrine stuff. For example, they can

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<v Speaker 14>make what if they made an argument of in the

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<v Speaker 14>Old Testament, like non descendants of Abraham being faithful and

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<v Speaker 14>trying to use that to justify the invisible Church doctrine?

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<v Speaker 14>How would you attack that argument? I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 1>How is this at all? What is this supposed to prove?

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<v Speaker 17>It?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, what was the thinking about hypothetical of a Protestant

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<v Speaker 14>trying to justify the invisible Church based off of in

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<v Speaker 14>the Old Testament?

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<v Speaker 1>There being okay? But Hebrews eleventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrews eleven says they're part of the same mystical body

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<v Speaker 2>as we are, So would I would actually prove our

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<v Speaker 2>position not the invisible Church. But I mean, in other words,

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<v Speaker 2>the Church has always been visible. And just because the

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<v Speaker 2>Church of the Old Testament, and by the way, it's

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<v Speaker 2>called the Ecclesia of the Old Testament, Book of Hebrews,

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<v Speaker 2>the Church and the Wilderness, just because it had uh,

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<v Speaker 2>gentile converts. I mean, Abraham was a gentle convert, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's always been gentle converts. Yeah, just because it allowed that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how would that prove invisible church? That has

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with invisible church, because it's still uh,

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<v Speaker 2>a visible society of people with true and uh and

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<v Speaker 2>false believers within it.

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<v Speaker 14>Just like it is said, all right, thank you, Jay,

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<v Speaker 14>I appreciate it. I'm I'm just used to very low

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<v Speaker 14>tier arguments of like people right and like Satanic warshippers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 14>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just I think I think I get where

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<v Speaker 2>you're where they're going with that, But actually it undermines

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<v Speaker 2>the argument because Yeah, that's why I think even in

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<v Speaker 2>the Old.

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<v Speaker 1>Testament, it's still a single visible society. Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand different there's not a thousand off Israels.

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<v Speaker 14>Right, Yeah, I was thinking off the original basis of Job.

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<v Speaker 14>But Job was a descendant from I can't I'm horrible pronouncing,

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<v Speaker 14>but he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But even so, like in in Accodus, it says

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<v Speaker 2>that many of the Egyptians had converted and left with

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<v Speaker 2>the Israelites. So those are all uh Israelites as well.

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<v Speaker 2>They're converts. So the Old Testament religion did accept converts.

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<v Speaker 2>But that how would that prove an invisible church?

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<v Speaker 14>I guess what the what they would typically say is, oh,

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<v Speaker 14>this is an example of you don't have to be

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<v Speaker 14>part of the visible body or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to but they were part of the

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<v Speaker 1>they were part of it. They were though, but they were.

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<v Speaker 14>So I'm just thinking of what loutsier type of response.

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<v Speaker 2>It says that they left Egypt with the Israelites, so

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<v Speaker 2>they were part of it there.

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<v Speaker 14>Thank you, Jay, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. I'm trying to think of other

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Joe, but there's some scholars debate whether Joe's

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<v Speaker 2>actually a Jewish guy or a gentile guy. I mean again,

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<v Speaker 2>either way, it doesn't really matter. Because Paul argues that

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<v Speaker 2>it was always the case that the only people who

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<v Speaker 2>are true Israelites are the ones who love God from

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<v Speaker 2>their heart. And that's whether you're Noah or Adam or

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<v Speaker 2>Abraham or Moses or anybody today. That's the only people

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<v Speaker 2>who have ever been true Israelites. That's Paul's whole entire argumentation.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Old Testament was a visible society of

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<v Speaker 2>a mixed multitude of believers and unbelievers, and so that

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<v Speaker 2>would actually again undermine an attempt at an invisible church doctrine,

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<v Speaker 2>because the all invisible church doctrine came about because the

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<v Speaker 2>protests are formed how to figure out, well, how can

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<v Speaker 2>we have true believers amongst divided different sects in group,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where you get in a visible church.

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<v Speaker 1>So really undercuts it if they try to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the Old Testament sage. What's up, dude, I'm your.

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<v Speaker 6>Good question.

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<v Speaker 10>What is your opinion on the genesis?

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<v Speaker 6>Gap to here?

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I tend to believe in a young Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you mean do you talk at the

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<v Speaker 2>day age theory? Are you talking about the genealogy.

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<v Speaker 4>The genealogy or in general, what is Eastern Orthodox view

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<v Speaker 4>of the genesis gap.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean a lot of modern Orthodox believe in

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<v Speaker 2>a theistic evolution. I don't, and the Byzantine calendar supports

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<v Speaker 2>my view. So the traditional Orthodoxy all whatever, All right, cool,

856
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:01.800
<v Speaker 2>thank you for some Yes, it's funny to you. Jim

857
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Bob's doing really good debating all these evolutionists because he's

858
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:08.320
<v Speaker 2>figured out like the key leaps and bounds and non

859
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:11.039
<v Speaker 2>sequitors that all the evolutions once make, and he's getting

860
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Speaker 2>really good at just asking them all these basic questions

861
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.880
<v Speaker 2>that they can't make sense of because they don't even

862
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.239
<v Speaker 2>realize that they have this like mystical, magical worldview that

863
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:24.519
<v Speaker 2>they think is rational and scientific. And it's like, okay, fine, maybe, okay, fine,

864
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe you've got you know, maybe you've got the goods.

865
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:31.719
<v Speaker 2>If you do, then you should be able to ask

866
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and answer some of these basic questions about the magical, mystical,

867
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.679
<v Speaker 2>quantum foam elements of evolution, and they never can.

868
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:42.679
<v Speaker 1>They just melt down and lose their minds. And to me,

869
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 1>it's like, like, how these people are so dogmatic and

870
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.519
<v Speaker 1>so certain? Why are they have such a hard thought

871
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 1>answering like basic questions.

872
00:55:53.480 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we go Muslims again. What's up, dude? I'm h.

873
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 6>Go ahead.

874
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna say something? Muslim?

875
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 6>Dude?

876
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:18.679
<v Speaker 2>What's up? H?

877
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna talk or not?

878
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Dude on you? That's true, That's true.

879
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:33.960
<v Speaker 16>Jim Bob's been killing it with these evolution guys.

880
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Are you Muslim or Orthodox?

881
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 16>I'm Orthodox?

882
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.519
<v Speaker 1>I am I'm not a Muslim, but I thought you're Muslim.

883
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I could I could barely no that.

884
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, yeah, congratulations on your on your generational run.

885
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:50.239
<v Speaker 16>You've been killing it.

886
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Thanks dude.

887
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.039
<v Speaker 16>Yeah, this Apollo guy real quick?

888
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:57.840
<v Speaker 21>Oh yeah, I am sorry about that.

889
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 16>Yeah, I I met I Muslim, i' Muslim? What is

890
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 16>what is going on? I'm marrying myself twice?

891
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know?

892
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh, Apollo the guy that interview You've had a gelical

893
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:21.880
<v Speaker 2>guy that interviewed it here are you talking about? I

894
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:24.119
<v Speaker 2>think he had a bad actually dropped off.

895
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what ch Apollo guy he's talking about?

896
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 1>What's up?

897
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 6>Man? Uh?

898
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Sage? If you can connect?

899
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:49.920
<v Speaker 2>It's weird. We're up here in the middle of nowhere

900
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and I have like full bars, which I did not

901
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:59.880
<v Speaker 2>expect up here or there? Sage? Are you there?

902
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Can you connect?

903
00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:03.880
<v Speaker 6>All right?

904
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.280
<v Speaker 2>It's open for him. We're gonna go to some people

905
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 2>that we haven't gone to yet. If you've not come up,

906
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.400
<v Speaker 2>you have a question and challenge and comment and debate.

907
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:17.360
<v Speaker 2>You disagree, you go to the headline for debating Protestanism, Islam, Papism,

908
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:25.159
<v Speaker 2>church history and cults, sex, narcissism, libertarianism, feminism, Zionism, keeper roots,

909
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:30.400
<v Speaker 2>black heeper, Israel lies. Anybody who has any question related

910
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:32.840
<v Speaker 2>you can stop that. You're welcome to come up. You

911
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.119
<v Speaker 2>don't have to day, You're welcome to if you want to.

912
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Who is next?

913
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:41.559
<v Speaker 6>Come on?

914
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Now we're going and tell my internet cell service runs

915
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:44.760
<v Speaker 1>out here.

916
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Hit request to speak. You go to the head of

917
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:55.559
<v Speaker 2>the line. Come on, now, I know somebody's got something that.

918
00:58:58.039 --> 00:58:58.559
<v Speaker 6>We got a.

919
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Or sixty people. Aiden, what's up? Aiden, I'm mute, And

920
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:14.800
<v Speaker 2>then we go to Alexander. Go ahead. Uh.

921
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:15.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:16.639
<v Speaker 23>So I was having a discussion with one of my

923
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 23>friends and we got into the topic of like church

924
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:25.960
<v Speaker 23>structure and like how the church like formed in like

925
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.360
<v Speaker 23>over time, and so we kind of pretty much the

926
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:32.760
<v Speaker 23>conversation came boiling down to at like nice one. He

927
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:37.079
<v Speaker 23>was like contending that the church fundamentally like changed in structure,

928
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.880
<v Speaker 23>and so I was like wondering, like, uh, how do

929
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 23>you or like what books would you recommend to.

930
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.599
<v Speaker 8>Like read up on that, and like how would it happen?

931
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, uh, so go.

932
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Find Perry Robinson's talk on YouTube on Apostolic succession and

933
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 2>he shows that the New Testament is SOLF teaches absolute succession.

934
00:59:56.840 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 2>To look at the way Paul speaks to Timothy in

935
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the Letters to Timothy. He says, I laid hands on you, Timothy.

936
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I appointed you at Ephesus. No one else is appointed.

937
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.880
<v Speaker 2>And you also after after you yourself lay hands on

938
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:11.639
<v Speaker 2>good men, because the Holy Spirit is transferred in the

939
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:12.519
<v Speaker 2>laying out of hands.

940
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:13.679
<v Speaker 10>And uh.

941
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.159
<v Speaker 2>The Apistolic fathers also teach the exact same doctrine of

942
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 2>epistolic succession. Also, Alex Soren did a recent two hour

943
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:25.480
<v Speaker 2>live stream on episodic succession as well. So I would

944
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 2>say those are some of the best resources right there, Alexander,

945
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 2>what's up, dude, I'm mean Alexander.

946
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Then we'll go to Jacob.

947
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:48.360
<v Speaker 24>Hi are you good at can you hear me?

948
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

949
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 6>I can hear you?

950
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:59.000
<v Speaker 24>Go ahead, all right, yeah, speaking from sure, it's Steve

951
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.599
<v Speaker 24>been a very young just cat my crystal the space

952
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:09.639
<v Speaker 24>inside to journey. Like your topic in discuss religion is

953
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.360
<v Speaker 24>quite I guess most of the topic I've been talked

954
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:18.559
<v Speaker 24>about around the Santas, the major religion on the likes

955
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Speaker 24>and religions.

956
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:22.360
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to understand you what's your question?

957
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:26.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it is.

958
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 24>Different from this.

959
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Well hello, Okay, I.

960
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Can't understand what you're saying. Man, I'm sorry, Jacob, what's

961
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:45.960
<v Speaker 1>up Jacob on you?

962
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Then we'll go to through.

963
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Hello, Yeah, what's a dog?

964
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:53.679
<v Speaker 2>So sorry if you get this question a lot.

965
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:58.440
<v Speaker 7>But I'm a Baptist who's looking into Orthodoxy and when

966
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:03.039
<v Speaker 7>the Bible talks about us being adopted is sons of God.

967
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:07.119
<v Speaker 7>And like you know, the Holy Spirit being a seal

968
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.320
<v Speaker 7>that sounds like very like permanent language that like you

969
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:17.599
<v Speaker 7>can't lose. So like, how does U Orthodox? Like how

970
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 7>do Eastern?

971
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean the very the very language that you

972
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:23.400
<v Speaker 2>used in Hebrew six says if you taste of the

973
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:25.800
<v Speaker 2>heavenly gifts and partakers of the Holy Spirit, if you

974
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.159
<v Speaker 2>if you turn away, there's no salvation for you. So

975
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.239
<v Speaker 2>the very language and sacramental graces that you mentioned are

976
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:33.320
<v Speaker 2>mentioned in Hebrews six.

977
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.639
<v Speaker 8>Okay, I say that makes sense.

978
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you.

979
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's a great question. I mean, yeah, you know,

980
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:43.920
<v Speaker 2>he who perseveres to the end will be saved. Jacob,

981
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:44.280
<v Speaker 2>what's up?

982
01:02:47.519 --> 01:03:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even Jacob Jacob, I'm you.

983
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead. Uh sorry I lost her there for a second, Tariq,

984
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm you sorry, I'm mute.

985
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:17.960
<v Speaker 25>Yeah, I just wanted to say, from everything so far,

986
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:22.360
<v Speaker 25>like from what I've heard from you guys, it looks

987
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:26.239
<v Speaker 25>like the Americans are quite held bent upon trying to

988
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:35.119
<v Speaker 25>prove Islam wrong and something fake was Yeah, yeahs with America.

989
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:36.639
<v Speaker 1>It has to do with Orthodox Christianity.

990
01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.760
<v Speaker 25>Well, I take that you've got an American accent, so

991
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:42.519
<v Speaker 25>I take you have some sort of Yeah.

992
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 1>But what does that have to do with the arguments

993
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:44.960
<v Speaker 1>against a loan that we made.

994
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.639
<v Speaker 25>No, because obviously the tightest subject here is Protestant is

995
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:56.880
<v Speaker 25>an Islam impact No, no, no, I'm just presuming on

996
01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:06.800
<v Speaker 25>that part, you know, just instead of actually actually just

997
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:11.519
<v Speaker 25>you know, taking on board that you know, you've got

998
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.480
<v Speaker 25>a BIB, you've got a Bible out the basically regardless

999
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:19.400
<v Speaker 25>of which one it's an edited book. You've got things

1000
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:23.719
<v Speaker 25>which are wrong, and what's come to actually clarify what

1001
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:24.280
<v Speaker 25>is wrong.

1002
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.679
<v Speaker 2>How does the Quran? How does the Quran say that

1003
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.920
<v Speaker 2>prior revelation confirms the Quran? If the prior revelation is corrupted.

1004
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:38.440
<v Speaker 25>Yeah, I'll explain this to you. So basically, in the Quran,

1005
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:43.320
<v Speaker 25>it's actually verifies that even though that the the Jews

1006
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.679
<v Speaker 25>and the Romans put Jesus on the cross, but they

1007
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.639
<v Speaker 25>did not crucify him, but it was made to appear

1008
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:52.960
<v Speaker 25>as such. So before this, what the us.

1009
01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Now we know you're so basically before this, I'm putting

1010
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the answer of the objection.

1011
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:23.400
<v Speaker 25>Yeah, so sins, Sorry, you're breaking up like babies. Hear

1012
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:24.079
<v Speaker 25>what you're saying?

1013
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:30.320
<v Speaker 2>H on the prior Christians corrupted?

1014
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:37.000
<v Speaker 25>Yeah, just say that once again, because I never heard

1015
01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:38.079
<v Speaker 25>what you said completely.

1016
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:44.280
<v Speaker 2>The Quran says in multiple verses that prior revelation and

1017
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.519
<v Speaker 2>the Torah confirmed the teaching of the Qur'an. How is

1018
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:50.159
<v Speaker 2>that the case if the prior revelation is corrupted?

1019
01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:58.440
<v Speaker 25>Because what that what the same Quran actually teaches that

1020
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:03.880
<v Speaker 25>it's not it's not corrupted like complete corruption, But.

1021
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:06.760
<v Speaker 2>How did it confirm it if it's corrupted? So if

1022
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:08.440
<v Speaker 2>it's half corrupted, how can it confirm it? How do

1023
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:09.840
<v Speaker 2>we know what's corrupted not corrupt?

1024
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:20.679
<v Speaker 25>Well, how it confirms it? Because whatever it says, he

1025
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:22.000
<v Speaker 25>here met.

1026
01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:23.760
<v Speaker 9>In my mouth?

1027
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, is it half corrupted? How could it confirm it

1028
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:28.360
<v Speaker 2>if it's corrupted?

1029
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 25>Yeah, it confirms that. It confirms with information.

1030
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Your book is confirmed by a corrupted text.

1031
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:47.760
<v Speaker 25>The books not confirming.

1032
01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:53.239
<v Speaker 12>No no no no no no no no no no

1033
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.559
<v Speaker 12>no no no no no no no no no no

1034
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.079
<v Speaker 12>no no no no no no no no no no.

1035
01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.679
<v Speaker 25>Your your point works in my mouth? Now, Okay.

1036
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:04.119
<v Speaker 2>It says that multiple tizes as the Torah confirms the

1037
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Torah and the prophets, the teaching of Moses confirmed.

1038
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:08.960
<v Speaker 1>What is then the Quran?

1039
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And then you guys are so stupid that you sit

1040
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.360
<v Speaker 2>here for hours arguing that it's all corrupted.

1041
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so then it doesn't confirm the Koran. Idiot Jacob,

1042
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:25.359
<v Speaker 1>what's up? Yep? Okay?

1043
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:32.560
<v Speaker 26>The god of Judaism and the I guess the attributes

1044
01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:34.319
<v Speaker 26>from the cabalistic tree of life?

1045
01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:38.199
<v Speaker 1>What about it?

1046
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:39.439
<v Speaker 14>Yes?

1047
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.239
<v Speaker 26>So I wanted to know if like other Hebrew cults,

1048
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:45.880
<v Speaker 26>like that guy you debated, Captain uh, I can't even

1049
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:46.359
<v Speaker 26>think of his name.

1050
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:47.520
<v Speaker 1>He's a Hebrew is a light gay?

1051
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Like would his God also be the same thing, like.

1052
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:55.359
<v Speaker 26>You would have a cabalistic tree of life attributes and stuff.

1053
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:57.479
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think he knows anything about Kabala. He's

1054
01:08:57.560 --> 01:08:59.800
<v Speaker 2>just a Unitarian, so I don't I don't know where

1055
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:04.239
<v Speaker 2>he derives his I mean, that's just a super low

1056
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:06.800
<v Speaker 2>IQ cult. I don't think they think. They don't even

1057
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:07.560
<v Speaker 2>think it out that far.

1058
01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:25.199
<v Speaker 13>Are you there?

1059
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:29.520
<v Speaker 2>All right?

1060
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll try as long as we can. But the

1061
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:32.920
<v Speaker 1>cell service as.

1062
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:35.600
<v Speaker 2>It might be done now as soon, so if you

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01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.560
<v Speaker 2>have any last objections, questions, comments, this is probably the

1064
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:40.920
<v Speaker 2>last chance to get it in today.

1065
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.119
<v Speaker 1>We're in the mountains here, so I cut out.

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01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:46.359
<v Speaker 6>That's a no.

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01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the Hebrew Israelites have any really developed theology.

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01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Is just kind of each individual Black Hebrew is a

1069
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.039
<v Speaker 2>like cult leader makes it up as he goes. So

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01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:57.399
<v Speaker 2>who's next?

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<v Speaker 1>Supercoasters KI can bring you up MKG.

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<v Speaker 15>Is it not a question? Well, not exactly, but I

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<v Speaker 15>just want to know if you ever get the time

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<v Speaker 15>to just check the DM I sent you if it

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<v Speaker 15>has any merit. I know it's it's a it might be.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll check it out. Appreciate that acacious. What's up?

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, it's going on, brother, I just kind of joined in,

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<v Speaker 21>so I was just trying to get some understanding. So basically,

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<v Speaker 21>you're saying that the Abrahamer religions are fake? And yeah,

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<v Speaker 21>is that what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 2>There is no common Abrahamic religion. There's only Orthodox Christianity.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only one. Islam and Judaism or not Abrahamic religions.

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<v Speaker 21>Okay, I've always interested in that ways, I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 21>dismiss understood.

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<v Speaker 9>So are you?

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<v Speaker 21>So you're saying you're an Orthodox Christian?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I got So what what is your take?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you want to discuss that?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 21>So, what are the contemporaries of the time of Jesus

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<v Speaker 21>being alive to prove that he was real?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Why is that the way that we proved something? That's

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's all kinds of things in history that

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<v Speaker 2>don't have contemporary writers like Plato.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was Plato fake.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, I don't.

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<v Speaker 21>I mean, I know who Plato is, but I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 21>sure Socrates or somebody I think it is Socrates.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it has writings to him or well, Socrates

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01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:46.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't write anything, so you don't know what you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the earliest manuscript of Plato's eleven eleven hundred eighty.

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<v Speaker 21>Okay, well, I mean so, for example, like the Roman Empire,

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01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:03.039
<v Speaker 21>they documented a lot of things. They documented basically every

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<v Speaker 21>time their soldier steps outside the gate, or new inventions

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01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:09.520
<v Speaker 21>or what's going on in politics, and they never the

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<v Speaker 21>Romans or even the Library of Alexandria, no scholar, no

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<v Speaker 21>writers ever wrote about this miraculous jew walking on water

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<v Speaker 21>people bringing them back from the dead. They would do that.

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01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:23.960
<v Speaker 21>I mean, who wouldn't do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, if they believed it was old Jewish superstition,

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01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:28.800
<v Speaker 2>why would they they didn't believe it, why would they

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<v Speaker 2>write about it. By the way, this as an argument

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01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:41.079
<v Speaker 2>from silence anyway, what is it supposed to prove.

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<v Speaker 21>I'm just asking you questions. I'm not trying to get

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<v Speaker 21>an argument or fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if you're making arguments.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying that that is an argument that Jesus

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01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:55.600
<v Speaker 2>we don't know that he existed, because you understand that

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01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.760
<v Speaker 2>there's way more attestation to the New Testament than there

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<v Speaker 2>is to Plato. So I'm on better grounds believing in

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<v Speaker 2>the New Testament. There's over five thousand manuscripts from the

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<v Speaker 2>first three centuries that attest to the existence of Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>the veracity of the New Testament, And you're on much

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01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:12.439
<v Speaker 2>shake to your grounds with anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't even know that Socrates didn't write anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, I'm not a historian of that era at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I just.

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<v Speaker 21>One to hear your take on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, why why would why should we believe? Should we

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<v Speaker 2>believe Roman pagan emperor, should believe Marcus Aurelius?

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, I mean people actually wrote letters, I have documented

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01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:38.079
<v Speaker 21>his existence.

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01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Why does it the New Testament? If there's thousands of

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01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.000
<v Speaker 2>New Testament documents, why is that not an argument for

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01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:48.439
<v Speaker 2>the existence of Christ on the same basis as people

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01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:49.800
<v Speaker 2>talking about Marcus Aurelius.

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01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.079
<v Speaker 21>Well, I mean the whole book, the whole Bible was

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01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.640
<v Speaker 21>written by Jews. That and so I mean the fact

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01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:03.319
<v Speaker 21>that the fact that that's the whole point of wanting

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<v Speaker 21>to have contemporaries.

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01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:05.840
<v Speaker 1>That's the fallacy.

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01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.399
<v Speaker 2>So just because the Bible is written by a Jewish author,

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01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:10.239
<v Speaker 2>what is that to do with whether it's true false?

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01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:11.479
<v Speaker 1>That's a genetic Fauls.

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm what I'm trying to

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01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:17.840
<v Speaker 21>say is like these are like his followers.

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01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:19.800
<v Speaker 2>But we don't know anything outside of.

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<v Speaker 13>That.

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<v Speaker 21>So if you that's like saying, like you, So, if

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01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:27.319
<v Speaker 21>you're walking around with a bunch of boys and you're

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<v Speaker 21>teaching them about your your ideology.

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01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:31.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, again you're ignorant. I don't know what you're talking about.

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01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:34.079
<v Speaker 2>So I can give you Josephus talks about the followers

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01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:34.520
<v Speaker 2>of Christ.

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01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:35.359
<v Speaker 14>Uh.

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01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:38.039
<v Speaker 2>The Talmud talks about the followers of Christ and rejects

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01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:39.800
<v Speaker 2>them and says that they are the menim and that

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<v Speaker 2>they're cursed.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>There's ancient historical attestations outside of the Bible. You don't coming.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, you missed the argument I was making.

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01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Why should we believe Marcus Aurelius' text prove his existence

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01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.720
<v Speaker 2>but the other texts don't prove jesus consistance?

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<v Speaker 21>Which text are you talking about? It proves that Marcus

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<v Speaker 21>ray was at.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you believe Marcus aurelius meditations? Have you read them?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:16.359
<v Speaker 21>I actually have them book?

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01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so you've read it.

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01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:21.159
<v Speaker 21>I'm in the process of it.

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01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I have read it, sure, Okay, So, uh, is that

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01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:26.239
<v Speaker 2>an accessation to his existence?

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01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.079
<v Speaker 21>I mean that claim it's his journal or his.

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<v Speaker 1>His Again, it's a double standard.

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<v Speaker 2>So Marcus Aurelius, there's evidence of his writings and existence,

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<v Speaker 2>but when we talk about the New Testament, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>count as Jews wrote it, which is a genetic fallacy.

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01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:44.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a double standard, dude.

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01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:51.960
<v Speaker 21>I guess thousands of people know that marx race is real.

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01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:52.039
<v Speaker 6>And the.

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01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Thousands of people know it. That's an appeal to the masses.

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01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:59.439
<v Speaker 2>Another fallacy. You don't you don't think fallacies matter. Just

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01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:02.680
<v Speaker 2>appealed to Okay, thousands of people believe in Jesus, so

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01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:03.199
<v Speaker 2>it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Same argument you just make. All right, this is nonsense, Kaitlin, what's.

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<v Speaker 11>Up, Aja, I'm asking for a little bit of advice here.

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01:16:26.439 --> 01:16:30.079
<v Speaker 11>I got a buddy that gone to psychedelics pretty heavy

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01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:34.720
<v Speaker 11>and like the we're all one kind of view, and

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01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:37.439
<v Speaker 11>I was trying to talk him through it, make him

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01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:40.720
<v Speaker 11>realize it's kind of stupid to not see any good

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01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:44.279
<v Speaker 11>or bad. But I don't think my arguments really got through.

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01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:46.800
<v Speaker 11>What would you say to somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's under that delusion. He's probably not going to

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01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:53.359
<v Speaker 2>be convinced by you arguing out of it. He's probably

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna take time and uh, you know, growing up

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01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:58.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit and some lived experience, and most people

1201
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:01.319
<v Speaker 2>always but most people kind.

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01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:03.399
<v Speaker 1>Of grow out of their DMT pro phase.

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01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:06.079
<v Speaker 2>So I would just give it some time and just

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01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:07.960
<v Speaker 2>love the guy and be his friend, because you're probably

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01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:10.359
<v Speaker 2>not going to argue him out of his delusion of

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01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:13.720
<v Speaker 2>thinking that everything is one is some great insight. I

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01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:16.319
<v Speaker 2>would just point out. One thing you could point out is, well, dude,

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01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:21.359
<v Speaker 2>if everything is one and everything is also, then you're

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01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:24.880
<v Speaker 2>coming to believe that everything's one. It's also just a

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01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:28.840
<v Speaker 2>manifestation of the one, and so it's not actually any revelation.

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01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:33.279
<v Speaker 2>It's just basically everything's an illusion. So if everything's an illusion,

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01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.039
<v Speaker 2>then the truth that you came to, that you think

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01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:38.199
<v Speaker 2>you've discovered is actually also an illusion. So it's just

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01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:41.800
<v Speaker 2>a self refuting kind of silly non cysical thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing too, is like people that do DMT

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01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:47.600
<v Speaker 2>or hardcore psychedelics or whatever it is, and they come

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01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:52.279
<v Speaker 2>to this great revelation one man. Yeah, wow, congratulations, you've

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01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:54.720
<v Speaker 2>discovered the very thing that all the ancient pagan religion's

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01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.760
<v Speaker 2>already said. So you're like five thousand years later, dude,

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01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:02.720
<v Speaker 2>it's really groundbreaking stuff. I request to speak last chance

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01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:06.199
<v Speaker 2>to where the cell phone dies out? Probably uh, who's next?

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01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:10.039
<v Speaker 2>You disagree, you go to the headline. It isn't open debate,

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01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:13.479
<v Speaker 2>always open debate, so be prepared for that. If you

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01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:15.119
<v Speaker 2>want a debate, you don't have to debate. You can

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01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:19.239
<v Speaker 2>ask a questions that you want. Last call for alcohol?

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01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Who's up next? He requests to speak? Job? This has

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01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:27.920
<v Speaker 2>been fun. These Muslims are classic. Right, I'm gonna you

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01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:29.439
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm gonna do. If you get another Muslim,

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01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:33.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go back to the uh, get them to

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01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:36.880
<v Speaker 2>restate the argument because that's always a who dude, because

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01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:40.000
<v Speaker 2>literally no Muslim can actually just restate what you are.

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01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:42.399
<v Speaker 2>They're so dumb they can't restate the argument. They'd be like,

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01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe the argument, Yeah, but can you state

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01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:46.279
<v Speaker 2>what it is? I don't believe it.

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01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Demani, what's up?

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01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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01:18:58.079 --> 01:18:58.720
<v Speaker 1>We're almost there.

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01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to the party's dream. Keep up? The

1239
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:04.439
<v Speaker 2>good word?

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01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Is that all? Or you have something else?

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01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:16.960
<v Speaker 2>No, that's it? Yeah, I appreciate that.

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01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:20.359
<v Speaker 1>We'll have a fun two thousand describer party stream Apple car.

1243
01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:20.840
<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:22.079
<v Speaker 25>Oh?

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01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:23.479
<v Speaker 12>Not much, not much, not much?

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01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:27.680
<v Speaker 27>You know, I was actually attracted Islam and baby seem

1247
01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:28.279
<v Speaker 27>are fake?

1248
01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:28.880
<v Speaker 6>What is that?

1249
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:32.199
<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:36.359
<v Speaker 1>The papacytholicism? So they're all fake.

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01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:40.640
<v Speaker 27>I mean probably you don't believe, but you cannot say

1252
01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:42.720
<v Speaker 27>it's a fake. You can't say I don't believe that's

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01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:43.800
<v Speaker 27>you have your choice.

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01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, why can't I say it's fake if I can

1255
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:46.680
<v Speaker 1>prove that it's fake.

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01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:50.880
<v Speaker 12>No, you cannot prove, man, Okay, So can.

1257
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I give you an argument why it's fake? Yeah, that's

1258
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the way you are you Muslim first? Yeah, okay. So

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01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:00.880
<v Speaker 2>multiple places in the Quran, and it says that the

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01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:04.359
<v Speaker 2>teaching of the Qur'an and of Muhammad are confirmed and

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01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:08.560
<v Speaker 2>proven by prior revelation of the Torah. The prior revelation

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01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:10.920
<v Speaker 2>is also believed by most of you guys to be corrupt.

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01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's self refuting to say that your book and

1264
01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:15.760
<v Speaker 2>your teaching is confirmed by a corrupt book.

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01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:20.000
<v Speaker 12>That's that's not the proof.

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01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:28.560
<v Speaker 27>I mean Islam, Islam is a lasting monetism, religions.

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01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:28.840
<v Speaker 2>An assertion. So how does that address my objection?

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01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:33.520
<v Speaker 27>I mean, yes, you know, it's confirmed this, you know,

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01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:39.920
<v Speaker 27>and previous you know, Judaism and Christianity was you know, okay, correct, But.

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01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:42.800
<v Speaker 2>The previous religions are corrupted. So how does that corrupt

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01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:43.880
<v Speaker 2>thing confirm your religion?

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01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:47.960
<v Speaker 12>I mean the corrupted mean is you know, editing changing language?

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01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.159
<v Speaker 1>I know what the word RP means. So how can

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01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:51.199
<v Speaker 1>it confirm the religion?

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01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Then?

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01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:55.680
<v Speaker 12>I mean there are some true there is some you

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01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:56.479
<v Speaker 12>cannot answer.

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01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that backs the question. That's the thing in question.

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01:20:59.000 --> 01:20:59.880
<v Speaker 1>What is the true thing?

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01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:02.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we know that you think that it's corrupted,

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01:21:02.760 --> 01:21:04.439
<v Speaker 2>But how is it going to confirm the religion if

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<v Speaker 2>it's corrupted?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see the problem with that.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, is it you know, hundred percentage? Oh so

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<v Speaker 12>what's the I mean, that's that's percentage?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is it thirty percent corrupted? Eighty percent corrupted?

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<v Speaker 2>You see how silly this is. How do we know

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<v Speaker 2>what's the not corrupted part?

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<v Speaker 12>We know, I don't think Kuran that's not confirmed is corrupted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so that's the thing in question. So the Koran

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<v Speaker 2>confirms the Koran by stating what's in the Kuran?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a circle. Yeah, that's a circular argument. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, you know one thing about you know, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 12>we don't say.

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<v Speaker 2>The head Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, barthol of you, what's up. Good, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to ice to be a Muslim as well.

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<v Speaker 8>But just to add on to what he just said.

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<v Speaker 28>But basically, the kron obviously says in sur Free Versus

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<v Speaker 28>fifty fifty three, how the disciples of Jesus were true

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<v Speaker 28>photos of Allah, true foos of God. So and it

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<v Speaker 28>says that they spread the true message and that their

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<v Speaker 28>message became dominant. So if we look at the dominant

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<v Speaker 28>message what they wrote, it's literally Christianity. So again just

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<v Speaker 28>just just hamma that out.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I want to say that's another great argument

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<v Speaker 2>because if that got all up gave them the victory,

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<v Speaker 2>and the victory was what they taught that was Christianity,

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<v Speaker 2>then christian one.

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<v Speaker 8>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Anthony, Yeah, good points. Anthony, was.

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<v Speaker 29>Between like the Islamic worldview and and that of like

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<v Speaker 29>unitarians or those that deny like the Apostolic succession, because

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<v Speaker 29>I know you mentioned many times like heresy is rooted

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<v Speaker 29>out of a misunderstanding of Christology.

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<v Speaker 2>Or uh yeah, even even his blom comes out of

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<v Speaker 2>historianism and arianism.

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<v Speaker 29>Yeah, exactly, a great point. I mean, so I know

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<v Speaker 29>you're driving, but I added this clip I saved that

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<v Speaker 29>of this world. Leading Muslim apologist Saker Naike basically it's

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<v Speaker 29>it's pretty dark. But this Canadian Muslim calls in and

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<v Speaker 29>he asks him it's like a hotline. He calls in

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<v Speaker 29>and asks him if if I raped the girl and

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<v Speaker 29>then murdered her, and I'm not caught by the law,

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<v Speaker 29>well a'llah forgive me, And he basically says, yeah, as

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<v Speaker 29>long as you repent to a law, he'll forgive you.

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<v Speaker 29>What's eerie is that, you know, I know you're on

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<v Speaker 29>jailp recently, but the Unitarians and non Orthodox have the same,

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<v Speaker 29>you know, same idea that there's no conception of a

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<v Speaker 29>you know, a priest have it, or a spiritual father

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<v Speaker 29>attaining or emitting any sins. So ultimately it's like there's

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<v Speaker 29>really no difference. J LP recently said that if if

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<v Speaker 29>you and I hope he was joking about this, but like,

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<v Speaker 29>if you kill someone or murder someone and you're not caught,

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<v Speaker 29>just don't tell anybody and ask God for forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 8>It's it was it was just insane. I hope he

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<v Speaker 8>was joking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's even no, it's even prasier than that, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you watch Justine Peterson saying high.

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<v Speaker 14>All the.

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<v Speaker 8>Sorry you could it out on my end? Was that

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<v Speaker 8>last part? Oh maybe just me? I can't hear you.

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<v Speaker 6>There's no.

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<v Speaker 29>Yeah, yeah, it's not you who commits the sin. It's like,

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<v Speaker 29>uh yeah, it's it's weird man. So yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 29>want to make that comment and and I added that

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<v Speaker 29>video if you want to review. It's it's a guy

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<v Speaker 29>that millions of people listen to and Muslims. It's it's

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<v Speaker 29>even scarier in Canada. You know, you have Canadians calling

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<v Speaker 29>and saying this stuff. Oh yeah, sorry, Jay, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 29>hear that last part was cutting out.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if it just me or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's.

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<v Speaker 6>H oh.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, maybe it's just I don't know if it's me

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<v Speaker 8>or the signal. I can't hear anything.

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<v Speaker 6>U