Speaker 1: So man, go ahead. So I don't think any just
Speaker 1: spols for actually.
Speaker 2: Gonna I'll argue, which is ridiculous because Muslims and Methodists
Speaker 2: today have been popping off.
Speaker 1: So obviously if they're not going to come.
Speaker 2: Actually debate, which I didn't think they would, then it's
Speaker 2: open for them. If your quest to speak, I'll bring
Speaker 2: you up. What's on your mind? Nobody, nobody has any
Speaker 2: questions comments. None of the Muslims, none of the Methodists
Speaker 2: would come and debate. What amount of pretty coweries due
Speaker 2: the student speaking out there? O my gosh, I was
Speaker 2: looking forward to this too because we had so many
Speaker 2: people popping off talking smack and none of them will
Speaker 2: actually co make their arguments.
Speaker 1: Finally here we go.
Speaker 3: I'mut, So was it you those keeping yapping in my comments?
Speaker 1: Yeah, with all your stup your stupid bad arguments.
Speaker 3: Stupid bad arguments. What was the bad argument that I said.
Speaker 2: Well, you're your Koran says that's confirmed by the prior revelation,
Speaker 2: and you said the private revelation is all corrupt, so
Speaker 2: you just owned yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, we're what was the initial topic.
Speaker 1: What does that have to do with this argument?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're afraid because I provided you evidence I'm
Speaker 3: afraid of sources nationalism and tribalism, and then not where
Speaker 3: you're allowed to enslave women, allowed to rape women?
Speaker 1: Say that that never says rape in the text. You're lying.
Speaker 1: It never says that, you want to.
Speaker 2: Where does it say rape in the text?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, do around me very well?
Speaker 2: You sure?
Speaker 3: All right? So let's read it together.
Speaker 4: Where does the text a man if I'm reading it
Speaker 4: to you, if a man happens to meet a virgin
Speaker 4: who is not pledged to be married and rape her
Speaker 4: and they are discovered, you shall pay her father fifty
Speaker 4: shekels of silver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does allow you, idiot?
Speaker 3: The young woman, he can never get.
Speaker 2: That's the penalty. That's a penalty. It's not allowing for
Speaker 2: you have to pay the dowry. You have to pay
Speaker 2: the dowry.
Speaker 4: So if I reap your daughter, would you be satisfied
Speaker 4: I pay you fifty shekels? Be honest.
Speaker 2: That's not the law. Now that's the law. Then on,
Speaker 2: So you think that's so you think that's corrupt.
Speaker 3: I feel I believe this is disgusting and it's okay.
Speaker 2: So your then your koran? So can you can you
Speaker 2: correct your Kuran? Then is confirmed by a corrupt the text? Correct?
Speaker 5: Wait?
Speaker 2: I answered your question?
Speaker 6: Is the okay?
Speaker 2: Is the Koran confirmed by prior revelation?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he confirms the initial confirmation of the target.
Speaker 2: It confirms the initial confirmation. That's pure gibberish. Does the
Speaker 2: Okay confirmed by a corrupt the text?
Speaker 4: I don't leaving deed eeronomy, no one, no Muslim does
Speaker 4: what the prior revelation? The prior revelations that engel in
Speaker 4: the Torah?
Speaker 2: This is the Torah, you idiot? Yeah? I know this,
Speaker 2: but this is correct. Confirm it is confirmed by a
Speaker 2: corrupted text, you idiot? Yeah, the Quran confirmed by a
Speaker 2: corrupt detect You just admitted that's corrupted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is corrupted.
Speaker 2: Is conferred by a corruption.
Speaker 3: Been a bust tells us.
Speaker 2: Is correct, conferred by a corrupted text.
Speaker 3: It confirms and revelation of the Torah, which is what
Speaker 3: you're reading.
Speaker 2: Because, idiot, there's a rape in your Bible.
Speaker 4: Bro, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: You don't have an argument. You just owned yourself. So
Speaker 2: he just admitted the Torah. He didn't realize he's reading
Speaker 2: the Torah, and the Torah for him is a corrupt
Speaker 2: the text. The Koran is confirmed by corrupt the text.
Speaker 2: This is the stupidity of these people. By the way,
Speaker 2: it doesn't it say you can rape people. It says
Speaker 2: that if there is a rape that was confirmed, you
Speaker 2: have to pay the penalty of a dowry. It's not
Speaker 2: saying you can rape you idiot. All right, here's next.
Speaker 2: Since we had our low iq must song, what's up.
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 7: Dude, you're gonna sit here with that argument, and you're
Speaker 7: not even gonna listen to the fact that bron also
Speaker 7: says the previous revelations are corrupted.
Speaker 8: We don't have that today.
Speaker 2: You don't understand how dumb that is. You don't understand
Speaker 2: how stupid this argument. Yeah, you're a fucking idiot. I'll
Speaker 2: say exactly, no argument, just calling me a fucking idiot
Speaker 2: because you can't actually argue the position because you're too stupid.
Speaker 2: He's low iq hintbred idiots who can't basic propositions.
Speaker 1: Here, Isaiah, what's up?
Speaker 2: See you see how these people act. Do you understand
Speaker 2: that it can't be confirmed if the previous thing is corrupted?
Speaker 2: How could it confirm if it's corrupted? This is so
Speaker 2: stupid icy. What's up. I'm musical.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not a Muslim, But I always wanted to
Speaker 9: ask you the question for this for years, Like I
Speaker 9: read Jonathan Page's brother's book, The Language of Creation, and
Speaker 9: I just want to understand what the church says about
Speaker 9: taking Genesis as.
Speaker 2: Literal, what the first says?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 9: Well, just in his brother's book, Matthew PAGEO, he kind
Speaker 9: of just goes into the symbolism of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Matthew Paste is not Orthodox.
Speaker 2: He's a schizophrenic guy who's kind of out there on
Speaker 2: the French.
Speaker 9: I didn't I didn't know. Well, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not being me and that's just no.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm glad you told me that. I think
Speaker 9: I thank God you told me that. Plus with Jonathan,
Speaker 9: but Jonathan Pago takes Genesis as as non minerals.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I disagree with that, but that's that's such
Speaker 1: a position.
Speaker 9: So the Orthodox Church doesn't really have anything to say
Speaker 9: on that or there.
Speaker 2: I would argue that it's an inconsistent position because the
Speaker 2: sixth Ecumentical Council says that you cannot say that death
Speaker 2: existed prior to Adam's fault.
Speaker 9: So I think it's Oh yeah, they argue, they argue that,
Speaker 9: so that means that would extend to like the Christians,
Speaker 9: I believe in evolution.
Speaker 10: What right.
Speaker 2: There? But I don't think they're intentionally being heretics. But
Speaker 2: I think you appreciate your question.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Did you just.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Did you just say that you're allowed to rape as
Speaker 3: long as you pear dowry to.
Speaker 2: The to the to the father that I say you're allowed?
Speaker 2: Are you that stupid? Did I say that you just
Speaker 2: said that.
Speaker 11: I was just.
Speaker 1: Anybody?
Speaker 12: The brother provided evidence.
Speaker 2: I said, it's a penalty under law fare if you
Speaker 2: if you engage in that action, the penalty is you
Speaker 2: have to pay the dowry and you're liable to marry
Speaker 2: the woman. So it's a penalty. It's a legal penal
Speaker 2: sanction against it. It's not saying you can rape.
Speaker 5: You and what happens to the woman?
Speaker 12: Does she marry him?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: According to the oh so you marry the the rapists
Speaker 3: if he.
Speaker 2: If these are the laws of warfare, which which negate
Speaker 2: the possibility of acting in a brutal way. So it's
Speaker 2: a it's actually dissuading you from committing rape.
Speaker 1: It's not saying you can commit rape, you idiot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a penalty, penalty.
Speaker 2: Thank you for admitting it's a penalty, a penalty. You's
Speaker 2: admitted it's a penalty, you idiot.
Speaker 9: Thank you when I was trying penalty.
Speaker 2: So it's not saying you can do it.
Speaker 5: Married the reapist is crazy.
Speaker 2: You just admitted it's a penalty, you dummy. So that
Speaker 2: you're lying about what I said, it proves you're lying
Speaker 2: about what I both so would you about what I said?
Speaker 2: So you're so hold on is does the Koran based
Speaker 2: on the to then? Is it confirmed by the before
Speaker 2: you jump? You can't answer them. You can't answer the dilemma,
Speaker 2: can't you know?
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying as many pass you that says
Speaker 3: you can read.
Speaker 2: No, it does idea.
Speaker 5: The Book of Isaiah says you had the Book of
Speaker 5: Zachar do what you dummy.
Speaker 2: You just admitted it's a penalty. So it's not saying
Speaker 2: you can't penalty.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense because you marry the reapist.
Speaker 2: It's a penalty, Yes, it does. So at world, if
Speaker 2: you violated, would you not to bury the if in
Speaker 2: the ancient if not the world, we don't live in
Speaker 2: the intro. I just need to pay you fifty seconds. Dude,
Speaker 2: stop talking. It's a penalty that means you can't do it.
Speaker 2: It's a it's an act. It dissuades you from doing it.
Speaker 2: Do you know a dowry dowry.
Speaker 3: Flesh and drink his blood.
Speaker 13: You become stupid.
Speaker 2: No, you're demonically possessed because you just it's Sunday drink.
Speaker 2: You just admit it that you're a blaspheamer. You just
Speaker 2: admitted that the Koran is confirmed by a corrupt detext
Speaker 2: So you just undid your whole brother. You just said that, you.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 2: If it's a penalty, then you can't do it, you dummy.
Speaker 2: You said it's a penalty, Well, who does she marry you?
Speaker 2: The girl? The girl marries the rapist.
Speaker 14: That's crazy, bro, I know.
Speaker 2: You're not crazy. It's the ancient world, dummy, And you
Speaker 2: just admitted that you lied because you said I said
Speaker 2: you could do it. But then you said it's a penalty. Well,
Speaker 2: a penalty is a legal dissuaiter. It's not doing it.
Speaker 2: It's not saying you can do it, you idiot. These
Speaker 2: are the stupidest people on the planet. In the ancient world,
Speaker 2: if you violated a woman, she was no longer able
Speaker 2: to be married off, and thus you had to pay
Speaker 2: a massive amount of money. A dowry is not a
Speaker 2: small amount of money. So this is a pedal that
Speaker 2: dissuades you from doing it in a world that was brutal, okay,
Speaker 2: ancient brutality, and these are mitigating factors in the ancient
Speaker 2: world against the brutality of the pagan world. So again,
Speaker 2: these people are lying and stupid because their own texts
Speaker 2: that they are Every time they say that this is
Speaker 2: all corrupt the texts, they're undoing the Quran because the
Speaker 2: Koran says it's confirmed by the Torah sid So I
Speaker 2: wish one of the Muslims that could actually make the
Speaker 2: argument and follow through. Do you understand how stupid that was?
Speaker 2: You said you could read. Uh No, if it's a penalty,
Speaker 2: it's dissuaded you from doing it. The penalty is not
Speaker 2: a light penalty, it's a severe penalty. A dowry was
Speaker 2: like I forget the exact percentage, but it was like
Speaker 2: multiple years of income, or at least a year's income,
Speaker 2: something like that. So now that's a dissuader. It's not
Speaker 2: saying you can do it, you're idiot. And by the way,
Speaker 2: his whole religion is based on slavery. What's he talking about?
Speaker 2: So it's open for him and the questions you want
Speaker 2: to come up, I'll bring you up.
Speaker 1: All these calls on the.
Speaker 2: Get requests to speak, I'll bring you up. We've already
Speaker 2: had two Muslims refute themselves out of.
Speaker 1: Their own mouths.
Speaker 2: And you notice that neither of them wants to talk
Speaker 2: about the By the way, they want to get to
Speaker 2: talk about morals. Allah is multiple times in the Kuran
Speaker 2: said to be the greatest of deceivers.
Speaker 1: So wait a minute.
Speaker 2: If Allah is the greatest of deceivers, then their God
Speaker 2: is actually the devil, and they have no basis for
Speaker 2: this moral posture. If you come up and talk about
Speaker 2: theistic evolution, I'm done. I'm not talking with you about that.
Speaker 2: I'm started talking to you about that.
Speaker 15: Hey, Jake, can know if in the Quran you could
Speaker 15: basically have as many sex concubines as your right hand possesses,
Speaker 15: isn't that literally in the Koran?
Speaker 2: I don't know where they I mean, because they then
Speaker 2: they say, nowadays it's four. So I have no idea
Speaker 2: where the different legal thick rulings come from. It's all
Speaker 2: over the place. I mean, they've got you know, Arab
Speaker 2: chieks with countless wives and concubines, but now there's only four.
Speaker 2: So who knows.
Speaker 15: Because based on what I know is that, yeah, legally
Speaker 15: they could have four wives, but then they could have
Speaker 15: endless byproduct of war sex concubines.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what Deuteronomy is actually trying to mitigate, is
Speaker 2: that tendency. So the laws are mitigating the thing that
Speaker 2: you're talking about. And it's not saying that you can
Speaker 2: rape people. It's saying that you will pay heavy fines
Speaker 2: if you engage in that activity exactly.
Speaker 15: And from an Islamic perspective, they have a cart blanche
Speaker 15: to do the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're saying, yeah, they're saying it's morally reprehensible
Speaker 2: when all is the greatest of deceivers and allows them
Speaker 2: to have the Everything they're saying is reprehensible.
Speaker 15: Good point, it's crazy, man, anyway, That's all I want
Speaker 15: to say, right point.
Speaker 2: Appreciate the mkg uh guys hit requests to speak. You're
Speaker 2: welcome to come up if you disagree, I want one
Speaker 2: of the Musclims to actually, you notice we've never had
Speaker 2: a Muslim attempt to address except for doctor Khalil is
Speaker 2: like the only one, the one with a PhD, actually
Speaker 2: attempt to address the islam As dilemma because every time
Speaker 2: they argue that the Torah has corrupt, they turned around
Speaker 2: and say that the Koran is confirmed by the Torah,
Speaker 2: which is so stupid. Oh you mean it's confirmed by
Speaker 2: the thing that you just says corrupt. And then they'll
Speaker 2: say yes, but not all the Torah. Oh well, then
Speaker 2: what's the How do we know what the correct Tora is?
Speaker 2: But it's what the krun says. It's a good job done.
Speaker 2: That's the thing in question. So Hit requests to speak up.
Speaker 6: Bring you up.
Speaker 1: I love the low iq muscles. There are some of
Speaker 1: the funnest people. They By the way, this is good
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be clipped. I hope the clippers have
Speaker 1: fun with this one.
Speaker 2: And pay attention and show the part where they're dishonest.
Speaker 2: If you guys clip this, whether JDA or dire Central
Speaker 2: or whoever Menesius, whoever clips, because both of those guys
Speaker 2: literally contradict to themselves. He says the Quran is confirmed
Speaker 2: by the Torah, and then he says the Torre's corrupt.
Speaker 2: So and then the other guy says, you literally say
Speaker 2: that you can rape, you're supposed to rape. And then
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, you're saying it's a penalty. Well, if
Speaker 2: it's a penalty, then it's a dissuader, dummy, So who's
Speaker 2: up next?
Speaker 1: It requests to speak. We don't have to talk about Islam.
Speaker 2: If you want to defend Protestantism, if those idiot methodists
Speaker 2: are here, if you want to come to Finitane defend
Speaker 2: your stupid taking game methodis sect feel free to come
Speaker 2: make your arguments.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to come. The people just
Speaker 1: love to talk, smack on and then we'll cut debate
Speaker 1: and then when they come to date.
Speaker 2: They said Thomas Crop ever sit on the hut bay
Speaker 2: and their debating with ad i q and Red.
Speaker 1: Literally and acting a Muslim trying to have it yep,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 2: Yep, church history.
Speaker 9: But I would consider myself solo script toward because it
Speaker 9: seems like like your side will say we're capful.
Speaker 1: You're you're not super understood.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I will say that for sure. But but I'm
Speaker 9: just saying that your side seems like they will say
Speaker 9: that they depend on divine revelation in the end, and
Speaker 9: for me, I depend on the Holy Spirit. So I
Speaker 9: just kind of don't see the big distinction there.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, how do we know it's given that every
Speaker 2: sect out there claims that are left by the Holy Spirit,
Speaker 2: how would we decide between all the different claims of
Speaker 2: whose web of the Spirit?
Speaker 9: I don't know, yeah, but that but I feel like
Speaker 9: we're in the same position if you say his divine revelation.
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, since that exists everybody having different claims
Speaker 2: of being led by the Spirit, what's the public objective
Speaker 2: thing that we could appeal to that would decide between
Speaker 2: all the different groups?
Speaker 9: You tell me the public objective? Oh, I see, I
Speaker 9: get what you're saying. You're saying, since we can appeal
Speaker 9: to the church.
Speaker 2: And do you recognize that there are every sect out
Speaker 2: there says their life by the Holy Spirit? Right?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 9: And I think it's a problem too. I understand it's
Speaker 9: a problem. That's why you got all these Mormons in Okay,
Speaker 9: So we would well.
Speaker 1: Be the thing that is the arbiter between all these
Speaker 1: different groups.
Speaker 9: It would it would have to be a church, it
Speaker 9: really would.
Speaker 2: So well, good news turns out there's a church that
Speaker 2: has taught the same thing from the first thousand years
Speaker 2: to now. Okay, so I'll give what you said, because
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna say every heretic says they're like by the
Speaker 2: way spirit, all of them. Okay, Well, then we're gonna
Speaker 2: need some objective arbiter.
Speaker 1: Uh that is some way.
Speaker 2: Well, it turns out we can go find out what
Speaker 2: the church of the first thousand years taught. By the way, John,
Speaker 2: you missed the muscles that was hilarious to retard Muslims. Thomas,
Speaker 2: what's a I'm sorry.
Speaker 16: So I'm curious as to the distinction in the Trinity
Speaker 16: when it comes to orthodox versus Protestantism.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean there's a lot of disinctions and the Trinity.
Speaker 1: So what do you mean?
Speaker 16: I guess then I need to come back with a
Speaker 16: better question.
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's a fine question. But what exactly I mean?
Speaker 2: Are you talk about philioquay, the essenceyentri distinction, nature, person,
Speaker 2: eternal generation, what are you talking about?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 16: I'm inquiring Orthodoxy and I was raised Protestant. So I'm
Speaker 16: just trying to figure out at least key distinctions that
Speaker 16: would absolutely rule one out over the other.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, the Second Ecumenical Council teaches that the Father
Speaker 2: is the sole fount cause an arca. That means that
Speaker 2: we believe in monarchical s rinitarianism, and that means that
Speaker 2: his unique property of being the fount, the cause, and
Speaker 2: the source cannot be shared by another person like the son,
Speaker 2: because that would be to give away what's called his
Speaker 2: hyposeacic property or is unique identifier. So that right there,
Speaker 2: and this qualifies all Protestantism because all Protestants defaulted to
Speaker 2: believe in the Philioquay because they're Augustinian out of the Reformation.
Speaker 1: So there you go. All of Protestanism canceled out. Right there.
Speaker 2: About another one, All Protestanism is canceled out because they
Speaker 2: teach a created grace just like the Roman Catholic Church,
Speaker 2: and the Orthodox teaching is that we participate in the
Speaker 2: uncreated grace through the sacraments.
Speaker 16: Okay, that's a good place to start, thank you.
Speaker 2: Most Protestants, by the way, teach Classical Protestants teach a
Speaker 2: form of equalitarian trinitarian relations or equalitarianism in the Trinity,
Speaker 2: which is not the traditional view because that again compromises
Speaker 2: the Father as the soul fount source cause nark and
Speaker 2: that is one percent clear a stay of the Cavadocian teaching,
Speaker 2: and that's the teaching of the Second Ethnical Council. So
Speaker 2: if you all want to be Protestants and reject the
Speaker 2: Second Medical Council, that's up to you.
Speaker 1: Who's next, and Dialogue ever wants to speak O bring
Speaker 1: you up.
Speaker 2: Topics are anything to do with Islam, anything to do
Speaker 2: with the papers, anything to do with Protestantism, anything to
Speaker 2: do with evangelicalism.
Speaker 1: If you have other questions, feel free. I know, Floridian,
Speaker 1: I think you had some.
Speaker 2: I think she wanted to try to talk about last night,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't get to you or we couldn't get
Speaker 2: a good connection.
Speaker 1: So Floridian, if you'd like to hop up, feel free.
Speaker 2: It's also open to any other topics, geopolitics, conspiracy, history, cults, gnosticism,
Speaker 2: black heuber, Israelites, fever roots, Zionism, Messianic Judaism. Any of
Speaker 2: these topics are open fair game today, just sitting request
Speaker 2: to speaking off pop By the way, I just passed
Speaker 2: white sands in Mexico in the middle of nowhere's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: People bring their snowboards and they slid down the dunes,
Speaker 1: which I did not know.
Speaker 2: Retro, what's up, man, do those two first Muslims were cold?
Speaker 2: I love that because it only took like literally three minutes.
Speaker 2: That's to contradict each other. What's up retro?
Speaker 17: Hey, I've been watching videos for a while and I
Speaker 17: just had a question out of curiosity. You've mentioned that
Speaker 17: the papacy doesn't solve the issue of solo scripture, because
Speaker 17: it just moves the problem back a step, because now
Speaker 17: you have to interpret all the writings of popes and whatnot.
Speaker 17: How would that be different from say, the writings of
Speaker 17: the church fathers and the councils and interpreting those.
Speaker 1: It's not different, That's the point.
Speaker 2: The point is that everybody's in the same boat, and
Speaker 2: so when a Roman Catholic tries to say that the
Speaker 2: papacy will give you individual certitude about the doctrines, that's
Speaker 2: the point is that it doesn't just moves upon the
Speaker 2: back a step.
Speaker 1: So the point is that we're all in the same boat.
Speaker 2: So we're not going to solve it by just saying, well,
Speaker 2: that guy solves it, or this thing solves it. The
Speaker 2: thing that solves it is ultimately, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day going to be the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: And everybody actually says that.
Speaker 2: Even Roman Catholics admit that individual Ruman Catholics are guided
Speaker 2: by the wisdom and the lightment of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2: So that's the admission that they have as well. Then
Speaker 2: the question isn't whether the papacy can give you certitude.
Speaker 2: The question is which church is the same structure and
Speaker 2: functionality of the first millennium church?
Speaker 13: Perfect that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a great question that one comes up a lot.
Speaker 2: So appreciate that. It's always worth stating that. Robert Castle subject,
Speaker 2: go ahead, Robert.
Speaker 1: Ta can you hear me?
Speaker 18: Yes, sir, Hey, So you said you said you're driving
Speaker 18: through the middle of nowhere in New Mexico, right, I
Speaker 18: had a funny anecdote. I'm actually from the middle of
Speaker 18: nowhere in New Mexico, and I grew up about twenty
Speaker 18: minutes away from Zoro Ranch, and my my buddy in
Speaker 18: cub Scouts when I was a kid, his dad was
Speaker 18: actually the ranch manager. And so I went to a
Speaker 18: Zoro ranch when I was like thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, And what was it open to the public?
Speaker 1: What was it at that time? No, it was it
Speaker 1: was definitely not open.
Speaker 18: That was what was weird about the experience was I mean,
Speaker 18: I didn't know anything about Epstein at the time.
Speaker 2: I was a kid, you know. But we went out
Speaker 2: there and.
Speaker 18: It's just like out in the middle of the desert
Speaker 18: in the Galastdale base and just like off of Highway
Speaker 18: forty one, and the entrance had these like giant rocks
Speaker 18: at the front, and you know, it had this like
Speaker 18: super long driveway. But we went there and I just
Speaker 18: like spent the night with my friend, just one night,
Speaker 18: and we pulled up and it was like this fake
Speaker 18: It was like a movie set, like all this new
Speaker 18: construction and the buildings were painted like different primary colors,
Speaker 18: you know. And I remember even being like twelve thirteen
Speaker 18: years old looking around and being like what the.
Speaker 1: Fuck is like, what is this place?
Speaker 6: Like like a fake?
Speaker 18: It's like a fake place. But then it wasn't. Like
Speaker 18: it was like seven years later I found out all
Speaker 18: this stuff about where I actually was. But anyway, that's
Speaker 18: just a funny story. But I just I was wondering
Speaker 18: if you had seen some of the stuff Mark Goodwin
Speaker 18: was talking about with bitcoin, because he's he's interesting in
Speaker 18: that he's recognizing a lot of the connections with you know,
Speaker 18: Epstein and the Peel you know, the bitcoin mafia and
Speaker 18: all that, but or the PayPal mafia rather, but he's
Speaker 18: not blackpailed about it, or at least he seems optimistic
Speaker 18: in a sense.
Speaker 14: I was curious to what you thought about what he
Speaker 14: had been.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jeffery put money into everything. He was interested
Speaker 2: in email, he was interested in stocks. So does that
Speaker 2: mean that, oh, I can't be involved in email because
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was involved in it.
Speaker 1: So email is an Epstein operation. I mean that's retarded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he doesn't seem to be.
Speaker 18: He doesn't seem to be saying that that people shouldn't
Speaker 18: be involved.
Speaker 12: I've and that's.
Speaker 2: What I don't understand what you mean Blackfield about what
Speaker 2: I mean again, If'ting threw money at everything, it makes
Speaker 2: sense that he would throw money at every emerging tech,
Speaker 2: which is what he did, biotech, commute computers, AI, bitcoin, crypto.
Speaker 2: So like it's just just such a boat here argument
Speaker 2: that oh he had money in pitpoint. Therefore big Point
Speaker 2: is an Epstein operation. Well he doesn't.
Speaker 18: That's why I was asking if you had seen what
Speaker 18: Mark Goodwin said, because he doesn't seem to I don't
Speaker 18: know who that is.
Speaker 14: He's a he's a.
Speaker 18: Former editor of Bitcoin magazine, and he's a he he
Speaker 18: has articles released on Unlimited Hangout, which is Whitney Webb's website.
Speaker 1: But okay, but Whitney Webb.
Speaker 2: I now like Whitney Webb generally, but also if you
Speaker 2: watch Bitcoin Mechanics reputation of Whitney Webb, he shows that
Speaker 2: she has no idea about the technology. And so Whitney's
Speaker 2: whole thing is just like, well, BlackRock's buying bitcoin. The
Speaker 2: bitcoin's now compromised. But the problem is that you can't
Speaker 2: stop It's like you can't stop people from buying these things.
Speaker 2: It's like saying that I'm not gonna buy gold because
Speaker 2: the roth Child's own gold.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but like that's there's no way around that.
Speaker 2: Like you can't if it's in the open market, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna be able to stop people from buying things.
Speaker 1: But just because the roth Child's own gold.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that, Oh well, I guess gold I'm
Speaker 2: gonna hold dollars because the roth Child's own gold. It's just,
Speaker 2: it's all this stuff is super just low tier dumb arguments.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you, but I'm saying the people that
Speaker 2: will say, I mean, I'm not I like bitcoin over gold,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying gold is better than Fiat. But imagine saying, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna buy Fiat because the roth Child's own Fiat.
Speaker 2: The Queen of England has a bunch of gold. So
Speaker 2: that's evil currency that It's just dumb. It's so stupid, MKG.
Speaker 1: What's something, hey, Jay?
Speaker 15: Another thing I was thinking regarding the Muslim very rigid,
Speaker 15: simplest stig myopic view they seem to have, and just
Speaker 15: looking at Islamic history, they seem to have this very
Speaker 15: abominable version of symphonia.
Speaker 8: They don't have this.
Speaker 15: Crime sin distinction, at least not in the way Christianity does.
Speaker 15: So everything is broad brushed, everything is relative. Things are
Speaker 15: not categorically placed in the way Christianity places, you know,
Speaker 15: civic rights, spiritual rights, so apostasy, for example, like all
Speaker 15: the Muslim clerics would still have to hold that if
Speaker 15: in an Islamic state, a Muslim born person converts to Christianity,
Speaker 15: if the state is Muslim, they should execute that person.
Speaker 15: So and and some people say, oh, but in the
Speaker 15: Christian Empire there were also apostasy you know, death sentences,
Speaker 15: capital punishments, but it was never very It was more
Speaker 15: a wartime strategy. Even in Byzantium it had that civic
Speaker 15: spiritual distinction. The Orthodox Church never would subscribe, or at
Speaker 15: least correct me if I'm wrong, would say that someone
Speaker 15: who apostasizes from Christianity ought to be punished capitally, that
Speaker 15: person should be turned to repentance. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: If that's not true, Well, there's a lot of different
Speaker 2: legislations for different situations. So it more so depends on Like, no,
Speaker 2: if you wanted to leave the Christian faith, one is
Speaker 2: free to do that. You can't let the church says up,
Speaker 2: I mean, you might get excommunicated. More So, what becomes
Speaker 2: a civil penalty is when you become a civil disturbance.
Speaker 1: And so if you begin to, for example.
Speaker 2: Teach some new heretical sect and people have to understand
Speaker 2: that because because religion was an intimate part of the
Speaker 2: world in the ancient world and in the medieval world.
Speaker 2: It was also thus a revolutionary force if you were
Speaker 2: a sectarian. And so one of the reasons that the
Speaker 2: princes had laws against these kinds of heretical sex is
Speaker 2: that it could create a social revolution, as actually many
Speaker 2: of the medieval cults and sex did. For example in France,
Speaker 2: that the cathari ended up becoming a political social movement
Speaker 2: that took over several areas of France. They held like
Speaker 2: four or five different castles and strongholds. And this is
Speaker 2: why the princes were trying to stamp it out ahead
Speaker 2: of time, was because they understood that this could become
Speaker 2: as it could.
Speaker 1: Undo you know, the different kingdoms.
Speaker 2: So that's why there are at times legal civil penalties
Speaker 2: for heresy.
Speaker 1: And I think that makes it actually makes.
Speaker 15: Perfect exactly and that's a proper use of symphonia.
Speaker 12: But they don't have that like it's still merger.
Speaker 2: They don't have those distinctions. They think of it like
Speaker 2: God wants you to die right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's there.
Speaker 15: There's no semblance of you know, distinction of crime versus sin.
Speaker 15: You know, a crime is a sin, but a sin
Speaker 15: is not a crime. And I think Joel Webbin made
Speaker 15: a good point of that on one of his podcast episodes.
Speaker 15: But it's just it's really fascinating that from from my
Speaker 15: point vantage point when I see even from the laity
Speaker 15: of the Muslims, that the way they interact with religious
Speaker 15: and the theological issues, it's very much like CNN Fox
Speaker 15: News kind of slogans. What are the slogans, what what
Speaker 15: are the emotional emotionally because.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, because most of them are ad i Q
Speaker 2: people and it's in bred retard to religion literal I mean,
Speaker 2: not being me, and that's just the facts.
Speaker 1: So what do you expect.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole religion is the mindset of an
Speaker 2: Arab slave owner, master slave. I mean it's like you're
Speaker 2: all a slave, so of course they're going to believe
Speaker 2: that their deity is an Arab slave owner.
Speaker 1: I mean that's essentially what the deity is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a perfect religion for low IQ
Speaker 2: desert dwelling people who think that Satan dwells in a
Speaker 2: rock wall that you can throw a rock side. I
Speaker 2: mean it's retarded, dude, they believe that the double farts.
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's just crazy. I mean, beople to
Speaker 2: have this like really deep mystical meaning, it's a retarded religion. Man,
Speaker 2: it's a dumb cult, and cults always have these really
Speaker 2: dumb positions. Fuck who's next?
Speaker 1: Hoping for him?
Speaker 2: We'll keep going as long as we have the Internet.
Speaker 2: This is a really fascinating drive. In the middle of
Speaker 2: nowhere in New Mexico. We just saw a big I
Speaker 2: guess it looks like a Catholic shrine. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what it was. He's not question anything to do with
Speaker 2: Protestanism is Bob church history, papal city, evangelical holds heber
Speaker 2: is or lights heber roots, sam.
Speaker 1: H go to Sam and then to Nico.
Speaker 13: Difficult, okay. A guy a few minutes ago asked about uh, yeah, can.
Speaker 1: You one at a time? Samuel de Nico?
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 19: A guy a few minutes ago asked about the difference
Speaker 19: between Trinitarian or Protestant trinitarianism versus Orthodox trinitarianism, and you
Speaker 19: said they have like a kind of an equality type
Speaker 19: of I don't know if that's who gets described the
Speaker 19: kind of co equal, co eternal type. I guess like
Speaker 19: shorthand of it, versus you said, orthodoxis menorah like.
Speaker 1: King, monarchic goal pnitarianism.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 19: So how how does how does how do those differ specifically?
Speaker 19: And how does that avoid any issue of like one
Speaker 19: being like subservient of the other and the Godhead.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go and tell you to go watch
Speaker 2: all the lectures and interviews that we don't talk to
Speaker 2: boat Brins depth and I'm not going to repeat twenty
Speaker 2: hours of podcasting lectures right here, Nico.
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 5: Hey, Jay? I wanted to ask something. You know in Islam?
Speaker 6: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: So, in Islam they promised to believers that once you
Speaker 5: go to heaven, if you make it to heaven, your
Speaker 5: promise for example, for men, your promise you know like
Speaker 5: con combines and women and eternal you know, like it's
Speaker 5: like headonistic part dice.
Speaker 1: The humans. They're like savage defeat tal giant women.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 5: Yes, So how can a person be moral if if
Speaker 5: your highest point in life is to make it to
Speaker 5: a hedonistic heaven, how can you be moral and you know,
Speaker 5: like being.
Speaker 2: I mean they're just yeah, I get it right, but
Speaker 2: they're just gonna say moral is whatever all our worlds
Speaker 2: and which I really think it's system.
Speaker 1: But olepos what's up, Hey.
Speaker 2: Jay, I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 20: In Greek, the word for heaven is and paradise. Is
Speaker 20: there a difference between those two. Is Paradise like a
Speaker 20: state and heaven is like a sort of a place?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think in Orthodox theology, Paradise is Eden.
Speaker 2: That's where Adam and e where it's where Enoch and
Speaker 2: Elijah were translated or translated to. And so it's different
Speaker 2: than having proper, which is the third heavens, which is
Speaker 2: God's thrown So there's.
Speaker 1: A distinction there.
Speaker 20: Okay, perfect, thank you?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see who's next.
Speaker 21: M It's me, Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 10: So I have a question because the bishop in Poland
Speaker 10: I can make you make a statement that we should
Speaker 10: go to synagogue and no in the anniversary of the Pope.
Speaker 2: JP two going there.
Speaker 10: So questions should we go and pray in synagog?
Speaker 2: Oh? The ancient canon for vision bring and senagogue sending
Speaker 2: Worthodox speciallymen all inside to go to the synagogue. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to visit.
Speaker 1: Oh that's sad, that's terrible. No, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Robert, what's up, Roberto? Hello?
Speaker 22: Hello, I just wanted to follow up on what the
Speaker 22: previous Carla was asking about Heaven and Eden, just contrasting,
Speaker 22: what what's the Orthodox theological view of Abraham's Bosom when
Speaker 22: compared to Eden?
Speaker 13: Because I'm Roman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Abraham's Bosom was a place in eighties, so it's
Speaker 2: where the righteous the Old Testament resided prior prior to Christ. Harrowing.
Speaker 13: So with that is is that way infants went historically
Speaker 13: before Christ? In the Orthodox view?
Speaker 1: Possibly there is some speculation, but I don't know that
Speaker 1: we have a heart, okay, like we know for sure
Speaker 1: position okay.
Speaker 22: And then so for us, I was trying to read
Speaker 22: more about the original sin versus ancestral sin distinction in
Speaker 22: the Orthodox versus the Catholic view. So why is it
Speaker 22: in the Orthodox view that people went to Abraham's bosom
Speaker 22: because people didn't triumph over because Christ hadn't triumphed over
Speaker 22: death yet in the Orthodox view, is that is that.
Speaker 2: Why people went to Abraham's Bosom?
Speaker 13: Yes, yeah, right, okay?
Speaker 22: So for us Enoch and Lies, we don't have a
Speaker 22: position whether they went to Eden or Heaven or to
Speaker 22: Abraham's Bosom. What sweat does that come from? In the
Speaker 22: Orthodox view? Where can I read about that? That Enoch
Speaker 22: and Lies went to Eden.
Speaker 2: Because they haven't died yet, so they were translated to Paradise,
Speaker 2: and they have not died yet. They wouldn't be in Heaven,
Speaker 2: they would be in Paradise. So then and that's why
Speaker 2: we would say that, like in the Book of Revelation,
Speaker 2: and it appears that they do come back to be martyr.
Speaker 22: And then how does that figure with Moses, Like how
Speaker 22: does that work with Moses and Elias coming back at
Speaker 22: the trans and Elias coming back at the transfiguration. So
Speaker 22: does Moses get taken from Abraham's Bosom and then Elias
Speaker 22: from Eden for the transfigurations?
Speaker 1: Possibly? Possibly?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well hold on, so because here he's I'm
Speaker 2: took about the Book of Revelation where.
Speaker 1: It's it's isn't a nich and Elijah?
Speaker 13: So yeah, you're right about Revelation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And that's because that's because there are
Speaker 2: the only two people who didn't undergo death, but Moses
Speaker 2: did undergo death, and so Moses will be resurrected like
Speaker 2: everybody else in the resurrection.
Speaker 22: Yeah, because it always was sort of interesting because in
Speaker 22: the Transfiguration in the Gospels, Moses is there, but I
Speaker 22: was trying to figure out where he's actually where God's
Speaker 22: bringing him from.
Speaker 13: In the Gospel.
Speaker 2: I think I think that most is right. So they're
Speaker 2: in Hades, in the in the in the realm of
Speaker 2: the righteous, right.
Speaker 13: In Yeah, okay, sorry, you're cutting it, thank you?
Speaker 22: Yes, So if anything else so then Abraham, yes, sorry,
Speaker 22: and then Abraham's bosom for the Orthodox is empty at
Speaker 22: the moment. I think it's the same for Catholics as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're supposed to believe in the uh, you know,
Speaker 2: descent into Hades, although in Roman Catholic theology, in my estimation,
Speaker 2: it's really unclear what the point of that is or
Speaker 2: in other words, it doesn't have much significance in Catholic theology,
Speaker 2: like it doesn't Orthomoz. Why is that?
Speaker 13: Why Why do you say, because I've heard about.
Speaker 2: Because Eastern theology, Because Eastern theology stressed and emphasized the
Speaker 2: cosmic scope of christ redemption, and after Saint Maximus and
Speaker 2: the fact that all of reality is going to be transfigured,
Speaker 2: and after the Middle Ages in the Latin West, after
Speaker 2: a quietness and Anselm and Augustine, Latin theology does not
Speaker 2: hold to any significance for the universe for Christ assuming
Speaker 2: universal human nature?
Speaker 13: Okay?
Speaker 22: And is there anywhere I can read about that that comparison?
Speaker 22: I don't want to waste your time. When can I
Speaker 22: read about that? That comparison?
Speaker 1: I wrote an essay?
Speaker 2: I wrote an I wrote an essay on that, but
Speaker 2: you could read just the Cosmic h Cosmic Mystery of
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ by Saint Maximus.
Speaker 13: Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Yeah, those great questions. I appreciate, though,
Speaker 1: haven't they haven't delft into that topic in a long time.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: So, I'm in the I didn't realize it's mountainous up
Speaker 2: here in northern New Mexico, so it's actually a totally
Speaker 2: different climate than where I was. So I don't know
Speaker 2: how long the self connection will last here, but feel
Speaker 2: we'll try to continue as long as we can.
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Speaker 2: request to speak. I'll bring you up while we still
Speaker 2: have a little bit of a signal. I doubt it
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Speaker 2: White Sands Air Force Base, so I did get in
Speaker 2: k ultra reprogrammed by the aliens at Roswell's.
Speaker 1: We were only about an hour from Roswell and so
Speaker 1: they have programmed me.
Speaker 2: I'm a chosen Pleadian and the Blue Avians are the
Speaker 2: real good Aliens and the chicken headed Aliens with the
Speaker 2: bad guys.
Speaker 1: What's up aiden.
Speaker 2: Question?
Speaker 14: Do it like Old Testament relations? I guess in a way.
Speaker 14: So this is like a Protestant hypothetical question. Like they
Speaker 14: have their invisible Church doctrine stuff. For example, they can
Speaker 14: make what if they made an argument of in the
Speaker 14: Old Testament, like non descendants of Abraham being faithful and
Speaker 14: trying to use that to justify the invisible Church doctrine?
Speaker 14: How would you attack that argument? I'm confused.
Speaker 1: How is this at all? What is this supposed to prove?
Speaker 17: It?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 14: Yeah, what was the thinking about hypothetical of a Protestant
Speaker 14: trying to justify the invisible Church based off of in
Speaker 14: the Old Testament?
Speaker 1: There being okay? But Hebrews eleventh.
Speaker 2: Hebrews eleven says they're part of the same mystical body
Speaker 2: as we are, So would I would actually prove our
Speaker 2: position not the invisible Church. But I mean, in other words,
Speaker 2: the Church has always been visible. And just because the
Speaker 2: Church of the Old Testament, and by the way, it's
Speaker 2: called the Ecclesia of the Old Testament, Book of Hebrews,
Speaker 2: the Church and the Wilderness, just because it had uh,
Speaker 2: gentile converts. I mean, Abraham was a gentle convert, so
Speaker 2: it's always been gentle converts. Yeah, just because it allowed that.
Speaker 2: I mean, how would that prove invisible church? That has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with invisible church, because it's still uh,
Speaker 2: a visible society of people with true and uh and
Speaker 2: false believers within it.
Speaker 14: Just like it is said, all right, thank you, Jay,
Speaker 14: I appreciate it. I'm I'm just used to very low
Speaker 14: tier arguments of like people right and like Satanic warshippers. Yeah,
Speaker 14: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think I think I get where
Speaker 2: you're where they're going with that, But actually it undermines
Speaker 2: the argument because Yeah, that's why I think even in
Speaker 2: the Old.
Speaker 1: Testament, it's still a single visible society. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: a thousand different there's not a thousand off Israels.
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, I was thinking off the original basis of Job.
Speaker 14: But Job was a descendant from I can't I'm horrible pronouncing,
Speaker 14: but he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But even so, like in in Accodus, it says
Speaker 2: that many of the Egyptians had converted and left with
Speaker 2: the Israelites. So those are all uh Israelites as well.
Speaker 2: They're converts. So the Old Testament religion did accept converts.
Speaker 2: But that how would that prove an invisible church?
Speaker 14: I guess what the what they would typically say is, oh,
Speaker 14: this is an example of you don't have to be
Speaker 14: part of the visible body or something like that.
Speaker 1: You don't have to but they were part of the
Speaker 1: they were part of it. They were though, but they were.
Speaker 14: So I'm just thinking of what loutsier type of response.
Speaker 2: It says that they left Egypt with the Israelites, so
Speaker 2: they were part of it there.
Speaker 14: Thank you, Jay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I'm trying to think of other
Speaker 2: I mean Joe, but there's some scholars debate whether Joe's
Speaker 2: actually a Jewish guy or a gentile guy. I mean again,
Speaker 2: either way, it doesn't really matter. Because Paul argues that
Speaker 2: it was always the case that the only people who
Speaker 2: are true Israelites are the ones who love God from
Speaker 2: their heart. And that's whether you're Noah or Adam or
Speaker 2: Abraham or Moses or anybody today. That's the only people
Speaker 2: who have ever been true Israelites. That's Paul's whole entire argumentation.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Old Testament was a visible society of
Speaker 2: a mixed multitude of believers and unbelievers, and so that
Speaker 2: would actually again undermine an attempt at an invisible church doctrine,
Speaker 2: because the all invisible church doctrine came about because the
Speaker 2: protests are formed how to figure out, well, how can
Speaker 2: we have true believers amongst divided different sects in group,
Speaker 2: And that's where you get in a visible church.
Speaker 1: So really undercuts it if they try to go to
Speaker 1: the Old Testament sage. What's up, dude, I'm your.
Speaker 6: Good question.
Speaker 10: What is your opinion on the genesis?
Speaker 6: Gap to here?
Speaker 1: Real quick?
Speaker 2: I mean, I tend to believe in a young Earth.
Speaker 2: So what do you mean do you talk at the
Speaker 2: day age theory? Are you talking about the genealogy.
Speaker 4: The genealogy or in general, what is Eastern Orthodox view
Speaker 4: of the genesis gap.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean a lot of modern Orthodox believe in
Speaker 2: a theistic evolution. I don't, and the Byzantine calendar supports
Speaker 2: my view. So the traditional Orthodoxy all whatever, All right, cool,
Speaker 2: thank you for some Yes, it's funny to you. Jim
Speaker 2: Bob's doing really good debating all these evolutionists because he's
Speaker 2: figured out like the key leaps and bounds and non
Speaker 2: sequitors that all the evolutions once make, and he's getting
Speaker 2: really good at just asking them all these basic questions
Speaker 2: that they can't make sense of because they don't even
Speaker 2: realize that they have this like mystical, magical worldview that
Speaker 2: they think is rational and scientific. And it's like, okay, fine, maybe, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: maybe you've got you know, maybe you've got the goods.
Speaker 2: If you do, then you should be able to ask
Speaker 2: and answer some of these basic questions about the magical, mystical,
Speaker 2: quantum foam elements of evolution, and they never can.
Speaker 1: They just melt down and lose their minds. And to me,
Speaker 1: it's like, like, how these people are so dogmatic and
Speaker 1: so certain? Why are they have such a hard thought
Speaker 1: answering like basic questions.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go Muslims again. What's up, dude? I'm h.
Speaker 6: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna say something? Muslim?
Speaker 6: Dude?
Speaker 2: What's up? H?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna talk or not?
Speaker 2: Dude on you? That's true, That's true.
Speaker 16: Jim Bob's been killing it with these evolution guys.
Speaker 2: Are you Muslim or Orthodox?
Speaker 16: I'm Orthodox?
Speaker 1: I am I'm not a Muslim, but I thought you're Muslim.
Speaker 2: I could I could barely no that.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, congratulations on your on your generational run.
Speaker 16: You've been killing it.
Speaker 1: Thanks dude.
Speaker 16: Yeah, this Apollo guy real quick?
Speaker 21: Oh yeah, I am sorry about that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I I met I Muslim, i' Muslim? What is
Speaker 16: what is going on? I'm marrying myself twice?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 2: Uh, Apollo the guy that interview You've had a gelical
Speaker 2: guy that interviewed it here are you talking about? I
Speaker 2: think he had a bad actually dropped off.
Speaker 1: I don't know what ch Apollo guy he's talking about?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 6: Man? Uh?
Speaker 1: Sage? If you can connect?
Speaker 2: It's weird. We're up here in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 2: and I have like full bars, which I did not
Speaker 2: expect up here or there? Sage? Are you there?
Speaker 1: Can you connect?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 2: It's open for him. We're gonna go to some people
Speaker 2: that we haven't gone to yet. If you've not come up,
Speaker 2: you have a question and challenge and comment and debate.
Speaker 2: You disagree, you go to the headline for debating Protestanism, Islam, Papism,
Speaker 2: church history and cults, sex, narcissism, libertarianism, feminism, Zionism, keeper roots,
Speaker 2: black heeper, Israel lies. Anybody who has any question related
Speaker 2: you can stop that. You're welcome to come up. You
Speaker 2: don't have to day, You're welcome to if you want to.
Speaker 2: Who is next?
Speaker 6: Come on?
Speaker 1: Now we're going and tell my internet cell service runs
Speaker 1: out here.
Speaker 2: Hit request to speak. You go to the head of
Speaker 2: the line. Come on, now, I know somebody's got something that.
Speaker 6: We got a.
Speaker 2: Or sixty people. Aiden, what's up? Aiden, I'm mute, And
Speaker 2: then we go to Alexander. Go ahead. Uh.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 23: So I was having a discussion with one of my
Speaker 23: friends and we got into the topic of like church
Speaker 23: structure and like how the church like formed in like
Speaker 23: over time, and so we kind of pretty much the
Speaker 23: conversation came boiling down to at like nice one. He
Speaker 23: was like contending that the church fundamentally like changed in structure,
Speaker 23: and so I was like wondering, like, uh, how do
Speaker 23: you or like what books would you recommend to.
Speaker 8: Like read up on that, and like how would it happen?
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, so go.
Speaker 2: Find Perry Robinson's talk on YouTube on Apostolic succession and
Speaker 2: he shows that the New Testament is SOLF teaches absolute succession.
Speaker 2: To look at the way Paul speaks to Timothy in
Speaker 2: the Letters to Timothy. He says, I laid hands on you, Timothy.
Speaker 2: I appointed you at Ephesus. No one else is appointed.
Speaker 2: And you also after after you yourself lay hands on
Speaker 2: good men, because the Holy Spirit is transferred in the
Speaker 2: laying out of hands.
Speaker 10: And uh.
Speaker 2: The Apistolic fathers also teach the exact same doctrine of
Speaker 2: epistolic succession. Also, Alex Soren did a recent two hour
Speaker 2: live stream on episodic succession as well. So I would
Speaker 2: say those are some of the best resources right there, Alexander,
Speaker 2: what's up, dude, I'm mean Alexander.
Speaker 1: Then we'll go to Jacob.
Speaker 24: Hi are you good at can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 6: I can hear you?
Speaker 24: Go ahead, all right, yeah, speaking from sure, it's Steve
Speaker 24: been a very young just cat my crystal the space
Speaker 24: inside to journey. Like your topic in discuss religion is
Speaker 24: quite I guess most of the topic I've been talked
Speaker 24: about around the Santas, the major religion on the likes
Speaker 24: and religions.
Speaker 1: It's hard to understand you what's your question?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 24: Different from this.
Speaker 2: Well hello, Okay, I.
Speaker 1: Can't understand what you're saying. Man, I'm sorry, Jacob, what's
Speaker 1: up Jacob on you?
Speaker 2: Then we'll go to through.
Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah, what's a dog?
Speaker 2: So sorry if you get this question a lot.
Speaker 7: But I'm a Baptist who's looking into Orthodoxy and when
Speaker 7: the Bible talks about us being adopted is sons of God.
Speaker 7: And like you know, the Holy Spirit being a seal
Speaker 7: that sounds like very like permanent language that like you
Speaker 7: can't lose. So like, how does U Orthodox? Like how
Speaker 7: do Eastern?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the very the very language that you
Speaker 2: used in Hebrew six says if you taste of the
Speaker 2: heavenly gifts and partakers of the Holy Spirit, if you
Speaker 2: if you turn away, there's no salvation for you. So
Speaker 2: the very language and sacramental graces that you mentioned are
Speaker 2: mentioned in Hebrews six.
Speaker 8: Okay, I say that makes sense.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a great question. I mean, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: he who perseveres to the end will be saved. Jacob,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 1: I mean, even Jacob Jacob, I'm you.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. Uh sorry I lost her there for a second, Tariq,
Speaker 2: I'm you sorry, I'm mute.
Speaker 25: Yeah, I just wanted to say, from everything so far,
Speaker 25: like from what I've heard from you guys, it looks
Speaker 25: like the Americans are quite held bent upon trying to
Speaker 25: prove Islam wrong and something fake was Yeah, yeahs with America.
Speaker 1: It has to do with Orthodox Christianity.
Speaker 25: Well, I take that you've got an American accent, so
Speaker 25: I take you have some sort of Yeah.
Speaker 1: But what does that have to do with the arguments
Speaker 1: against a loan that we made.
Speaker 25: No, because obviously the tightest subject here is Protestant is
Speaker 25: an Islam impact No, no, no, I'm just presuming on
Speaker 25: that part, you know, just instead of actually actually just
Speaker 25: you know, taking on board that you know, you've got
Speaker 25: a BIB, you've got a Bible out the basically regardless
Speaker 25: of which one it's an edited book. You've got things
Speaker 25: which are wrong, and what's come to actually clarify what
Speaker 25: is wrong.
Speaker 2: How does the Quran? How does the Quran say that
Speaker 2: prior revelation confirms the Quran? If the prior revelation is corrupted.
Speaker 25: Yeah, I'll explain this to you. So basically, in the Quran,
Speaker 25: it's actually verifies that even though that the the Jews
Speaker 25: and the Romans put Jesus on the cross, but they
Speaker 25: did not crucify him, but it was made to appear
Speaker 25: as such. So before this, what the us.
Speaker 2: Now we know you're so basically before this, I'm putting
Speaker 2: the answer of the objection.
Speaker 25: Yeah, so sins, Sorry, you're breaking up like babies. Hear
Speaker 25: what you're saying?
Speaker 2: H on the prior Christians corrupted?
Speaker 25: Yeah, just say that once again, because I never heard
Speaker 25: what you said completely.
Speaker 2: The Quran says in multiple verses that prior revelation and
Speaker 2: the Torah confirmed the teaching of the Qur'an. How is
Speaker 2: that the case if the prior revelation is corrupted?
Speaker 25: Because what that what the same Quran actually teaches that
Speaker 25: it's not it's not corrupted like complete corruption, But.
Speaker 2: How did it confirm it if it's corrupted? So if
Speaker 2: it's half corrupted, how can it confirm it? How do
Speaker 2: we know what's corrupted not corrupt?
Speaker 25: Well, how it confirms it? Because whatever it says, he
Speaker 25: here met.
Speaker 9: In my mouth?
Speaker 2: Sorry, is it half corrupted? How could it confirm it
Speaker 2: if it's corrupted?
Speaker 25: Yeah, it confirms that. It confirms with information.
Speaker 2: Your book is confirmed by a corrupted text.
Speaker 25: The books not confirming.
Speaker 12: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 12: no no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 12: no no no no no no no no no no.
Speaker 25: Your your point works in my mouth? Now, Okay.
Speaker 2: It says that multiple tizes as the Torah confirms the
Speaker 2: Torah and the prophets, the teaching of Moses confirmed.
Speaker 1: What is then the Quran?
Speaker 2: And then you guys are so stupid that you sit
Speaker 2: here for hours arguing that it's all corrupted.
Speaker 1: Okay, so then it doesn't confirm the Koran. Idiot Jacob,
Speaker 1: what's up? Yep? Okay?
Speaker 26: The god of Judaism and the I guess the attributes
Speaker 26: from the cabalistic tree of life?
Speaker 1: What about it?
Speaker 14: Yes?
Speaker 26: So I wanted to know if like other Hebrew cults,
Speaker 26: like that guy you debated, Captain uh, I can't even
Speaker 26: think of his name.
Speaker 1: He's a Hebrew is a light gay?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like would his God also be the same thing, like.
Speaker 26: You would have a cabalistic tree of life attributes and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he knows anything about Kabala. He's
Speaker 2: just a Unitarian, so I don't I don't know where
Speaker 2: he derives his I mean, that's just a super low
Speaker 2: IQ cult. I don't think they think. They don't even
Speaker 2: think it out that far.
Speaker 13: Are you there?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll try as long as we can. But the
Speaker 1: cell service as.
Speaker 2: It might be done now as soon, so if you
Speaker 2: have any last objections, questions, comments, this is probably the
Speaker 2: last chance to get it in today.
Speaker 1: We're in the mountains here, so I cut out.
Speaker 6: That's a no.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Hebrew Israelites have any really developed theology.
Speaker 2: Is just kind of each individual Black Hebrew is a
Speaker 2: like cult leader makes it up as he goes. So
Speaker 2: who's next?
Speaker 1: Supercoasters KI can bring you up MKG.
Speaker 15: Is it not a question? Well, not exactly, but I
Speaker 15: just want to know if you ever get the time
Speaker 15: to just check the DM I sent you if it
Speaker 15: has any merit. I know it's it's a it might be.
Speaker 2: I'll check it out. Appreciate that acacious. What's up?
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's going on, brother, I just kind of joined in,
Speaker 21: so I was just trying to get some understanding. So basically,
Speaker 21: you're saying that the Abrahamer religions are fake? And yeah,
Speaker 21: is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: There is no common Abrahamic religion. There's only Orthodox Christianity.
Speaker 2: That's the only one. Islam and Judaism or not Abrahamic religions.
Speaker 21: Okay, I've always interested in that ways, I guess I'm
Speaker 21: dismiss understood.
Speaker 9: So are you?
Speaker 21: So you're saying you're an Orthodox Christian?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I got So what what is your take?
Speaker 1: Did you want to discuss that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 21: So, what are the contemporaries of the time of Jesus
Speaker 21: being alive to prove that he was real?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: Why is that the way that we proved something? That's
Speaker 1: the case.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's all kinds of things in history that
Speaker 2: don't have contemporary writers like Plato.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was Plato fake.
Speaker 2: Too, I don't.
Speaker 21: I mean, I know who Plato is, but I'm pretty
Speaker 21: sure Socrates or somebody I think it is Socrates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has writings to him or well, Socrates
Speaker 2: didn't write anything, so you don't know what you're talking
Speaker 2: about the earliest manuscript of Plato's eleven eleven hundred eighty.
Speaker 21: Okay, well, I mean so, for example, like the Roman Empire,
Speaker 21: they documented a lot of things. They documented basically every
Speaker 21: time their soldier steps outside the gate, or new inventions
Speaker 21: or what's going on in politics, and they never the
Speaker 21: Romans or even the Library of Alexandria, no scholar, no
Speaker 21: writers ever wrote about this miraculous jew walking on water
Speaker 21: people bringing them back from the dead. They would do that.
Speaker 21: I mean, who wouldn't do that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, no, if they believed it was old Jewish superstition,
Speaker 2: why would they they didn't believe it, why would they
Speaker 2: write about it. By the way, this as an argument
Speaker 2: from silence anyway, what is it supposed to prove.
Speaker 21: I'm just asking you questions. I'm not trying to get
Speaker 21: an argument or fight.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're making arguments.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that that is an argument that Jesus
Speaker 2: we don't know that he existed, because you understand that
Speaker 2: there's way more attestation to the New Testament than there
Speaker 2: is to Plato. So I'm on better grounds believing in
Speaker 2: the New Testament. There's over five thousand manuscripts from the
Speaker 2: first three centuries that attest to the existence of Christ,
Speaker 2: the veracity of the New Testament, And you're on much
Speaker 2: shake to your grounds with anything else.
Speaker 1: You don't even know that Socrates didn't write anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm not a historian of that era at all.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 21: One to hear your take on it.
Speaker 2: Well, why why would why should we believe? Should we
Speaker 2: believe Roman pagan emperor, should believe Marcus Aurelius?
Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean people actually wrote letters, I have documented
Speaker 21: his existence.
Speaker 2: Why does it the New Testament? If there's thousands of
Speaker 2: New Testament documents, why is that not an argument for
Speaker 2: the existence of Christ on the same basis as people
Speaker 2: talking about Marcus Aurelius.
Speaker 21: Well, I mean the whole book, the whole Bible was
Speaker 21: written by Jews. That and so I mean the fact
Speaker 21: that the fact that that's the whole point of wanting
Speaker 21: to have contemporaries.
Speaker 1: That's the fallacy.
Speaker 2: So just because the Bible is written by a Jewish author,
Speaker 2: what is that to do with whether it's true false?
Speaker 1: That's a genetic Fauls.
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm what I'm trying to
Speaker 21: say is like these are like his followers.
Speaker 2: But we don't know anything outside of.
Speaker 13: That.
Speaker 21: So if you that's like saying, like you, So, if
Speaker 21: you're walking around with a bunch of boys and you're
Speaker 21: teaching them about your your ideology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again you're ignorant. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: So I can give you Josephus talks about the followers
Speaker 2: of Christ.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 2: The Talmud talks about the followers of Christ and rejects
Speaker 2: them and says that they are the menim and that
Speaker 2: they're cursed.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 2: There's ancient historical attestations outside of the Bible. You don't coming.
Speaker 1: But again, you missed the argument I was making.
Speaker 2: Why should we believe Marcus Aurelius' text prove his existence
Speaker 2: but the other texts don't prove jesus consistance?
Speaker 21: Which text are you talking about? It proves that Marcus
Speaker 21: ray was at.
Speaker 2: So do you believe Marcus aurelius meditations? Have you read them?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 21: I actually have them book?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you've read it.
Speaker 21: I'm in the process of it.
Speaker 2: I have read it, sure, Okay, So, uh, is that
Speaker 2: an accessation to his existence?
Speaker 21: I mean that claim it's his journal or his.
Speaker 1: His Again, it's a double standard.
Speaker 2: So Marcus Aurelius, there's evidence of his writings and existence,
Speaker 2: but when we talk about the New Testament, it doesn't
Speaker 2: count as Jews wrote it, which is a genetic fallacy.
Speaker 1: It's a double standard, dude.
Speaker 21: I guess thousands of people know that marx race is real.
Speaker 6: And the.
Speaker 2: Thousands of people know it. That's an appeal to the masses.
Speaker 2: Another fallacy. You don't you don't think fallacies matter. Just
Speaker 2: appealed to Okay, thousands of people believe in Jesus, so
Speaker 2: it's true.
Speaker 1: Same argument you just make. All right, this is nonsense, Kaitlin, what's.
Speaker 11: Up, Aja, I'm asking for a little bit of advice here.
Speaker 11: I got a buddy that gone to psychedelics pretty heavy
Speaker 11: and like the we're all one kind of view, and
Speaker 11: I was trying to talk him through it, make him
Speaker 11: realize it's kind of stupid to not see any good
Speaker 11: or bad. But I don't think my arguments really got through.
Speaker 11: What would you say to somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, he's under that delusion. He's probably not going to
Speaker 2: be convinced by you arguing out of it. He's probably
Speaker 2: just gonna take time and uh, you know, growing up
Speaker 2: a little bit and some lived experience, and most people
Speaker 2: always but most people kind.
Speaker 1: Of grow out of their DMT pro phase.
Speaker 2: So I would just give it some time and just
Speaker 2: love the guy and be his friend, because you're probably
Speaker 2: not going to argue him out of his delusion of
Speaker 2: thinking that everything is one is some great insight. I
Speaker 2: would just point out. One thing you could point out is, well, dude,
Speaker 2: if everything is one and everything is also, then you're
Speaker 2: coming to believe that everything's one. It's also just a
Speaker 2: manifestation of the one, and so it's not actually any revelation.
Speaker 2: It's just basically everything's an illusion. So if everything's an illusion,
Speaker 2: then the truth that you came to, that you think
Speaker 2: you've discovered is actually also an illusion. So it's just
Speaker 2: a self refuting kind of silly non cysical thing. And
Speaker 2: the other thing too, is like people that do DMT
Speaker 2: or hardcore psychedelics or whatever it is, and they come
Speaker 2: to this great revelation one man. Yeah, wow, congratulations, you've
Speaker 2: discovered the very thing that all the ancient pagan religion's
Speaker 2: already said. So you're like five thousand years later, dude,
Speaker 2: it's really groundbreaking stuff. I request to speak last chance
Speaker 2: to where the cell phone dies out? Probably uh, who's next?
Speaker 2: You disagree, you go to the headline. It isn't open debate,
Speaker 2: always open debate, so be prepared for that. If you
Speaker 2: want a debate, you don't have to debate. You can
Speaker 2: ask a questions that you want. Last call for alcohol?
Speaker 2: Who's up next? He requests to speak? Job? This has
Speaker 2: been fun. These Muslims are classic. Right, I'm gonna you
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna do. If you get another Muslim,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to the uh, get them to
Speaker 2: restate the argument because that's always a who dude, because
Speaker 2: literally no Muslim can actually just restate what you are.
Speaker 2: They're so dumb they can't restate the argument. They'd be like,
Speaker 2: I don't believe the argument, Yeah, but can you state
Speaker 2: what it is? I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Demani, what's up?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: We're almost there.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the party's dream. Keep up? The
Speaker 2: good word?
Speaker 1: Is that all? Or you have something else?
Speaker 2: No, that's it? Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: We'll have a fun two thousand describer party stream Apple car.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 25: Oh?
Speaker 12: Not much, not much, not much?
Speaker 27: You know, I was actually attracted Islam and baby seem
Speaker 27: are fake?
Speaker 6: What is that?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: The papacytholicism? So they're all fake.
Speaker 27: I mean probably you don't believe, but you cannot say
Speaker 27: it's a fake. You can't say I don't believe that's
Speaker 27: you have your choice.
Speaker 1: Well, why can't I say it's fake if I can
Speaker 1: prove that it's fake.
Speaker 12: No, you cannot prove, man, Okay, So can.
Speaker 2: I give you an argument why it's fake? Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the way you are you Muslim first? Yeah, okay. So
Speaker 2: multiple places in the Quran, and it says that the
Speaker 2: teaching of the Qur'an and of Muhammad are confirmed and
Speaker 2: proven by prior revelation of the Torah. The prior revelation
Speaker 2: is also believed by most of you guys to be corrupt.
Speaker 2: So it's self refuting to say that your book and
Speaker 2: your teaching is confirmed by a corrupt book.
Speaker 12: That's that's not the proof.
Speaker 27: I mean Islam, Islam is a lasting monetism, religions.
Speaker 2: An assertion. So how does that address my objection?
Speaker 27: I mean, yes, you know, it's confirmed this, you know,
Speaker 27: and previous you know, Judaism and Christianity was you know, okay, correct, But.
Speaker 2: The previous religions are corrupted. So how does that corrupt
Speaker 2: thing confirm your religion?
Speaker 12: I mean the corrupted mean is you know, editing changing language?
Speaker 1: I know what the word RP means. So how can
Speaker 1: it confirm the religion?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 12: I mean there are some true there is some you
Speaker 12: cannot answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that backs the question. That's the thing in question.
Speaker 1: What is the true thing?
Speaker 2: So yeah, we know that you think that it's corrupted,
Speaker 2: But how is it going to confirm the religion if
Speaker 2: it's corrupted?
Speaker 1: You don't see the problem with that.
Speaker 12: I mean, is it you know, hundred percentage? Oh so
Speaker 12: what's the I mean, that's that's percentage?
Speaker 2: I mean, is it thirty percent corrupted? Eighty percent corrupted?
Speaker 2: You see how silly this is. How do we know
Speaker 2: what's the not corrupted part?
Speaker 12: We know, I don't think Kuran that's not confirmed is corrupted.
Speaker 2: Oh so that's the thing in question. So the Koran
Speaker 2: confirms the Koran by stating what's in the Kuran?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a circle. Yeah, that's a circular argument. So
Speaker 2: that's why it doesn't work.
Speaker 12: I mean, you know one thing about you know, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 12: we don't say.
Speaker 2: The head Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, barthol of you, what's up. Good, Yeah,
Speaker 2: to ice to be a Muslim as well.
Speaker 8: But just to add on to what he just said.
Speaker 28: But basically, the kron obviously says in sur Free Versus
Speaker 28: fifty fifty three, how the disciples of Jesus were true
Speaker 28: photos of Allah, true foos of God. So and it
Speaker 28: says that they spread the true message and that their
Speaker 28: message became dominant. So if we look at the dominant
Speaker 28: message what they wrote, it's literally Christianity. So again just
Speaker 28: just just hamma that out.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I want to say that's another great argument
Speaker 2: because if that got all up gave them the victory,
Speaker 2: and the victory was what they taught that was Christianity,
Speaker 2: then christian one.
Speaker 8: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Anthony, Yeah, good points. Anthony, was.
Speaker 29: Between like the Islamic worldview and and that of like
Speaker 29: unitarians or those that deny like the Apostolic succession, because
Speaker 29: I know you mentioned many times like heresy is rooted
Speaker 29: out of a misunderstanding of Christology.
Speaker 2: Or uh yeah, even even his blom comes out of
Speaker 2: historianism and arianism.
Speaker 29: Yeah, exactly, a great point. I mean, so I know
Speaker 29: you're driving, but I added this clip I saved that
Speaker 29: of this world. Leading Muslim apologist Saker Naike basically it's
Speaker 29: it's pretty dark. But this Canadian Muslim calls in and
Speaker 29: he asks him it's like a hotline. He calls in
Speaker 29: and asks him if if I raped the girl and
Speaker 29: then murdered her, and I'm not caught by the law,
Speaker 29: well a'llah forgive me, And he basically says, yeah, as
Speaker 29: long as you repent to a law, he'll forgive you.
Speaker 29: What's eerie is that, you know, I know you're on
Speaker 29: jailp recently, but the Unitarians and non Orthodox have the same,
Speaker 29: you know, same idea that there's no conception of a
Speaker 29: you know, a priest have it, or a spiritual father
Speaker 29: attaining or emitting any sins. So ultimately it's like there's
Speaker 29: really no difference. J LP recently said that if if
Speaker 29: you and I hope he was joking about this, but like,
Speaker 29: if you kill someone or murder someone and you're not caught,
Speaker 29: just don't tell anybody and ask God for forgiveness.
Speaker 8: It's it was it was just insane. I hope he
Speaker 8: was joking.
Speaker 2: It's even no, it's even prasier than that, because if
Speaker 2: you watch Justine Peterson saying high.
Speaker 14: All the.
Speaker 8: Sorry you could it out on my end? Was that
Speaker 8: last part? Oh maybe just me? I can't hear you.
Speaker 6: There's no.
Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, it's not you who commits the sin. It's like,
Speaker 29: uh yeah, it's it's weird man. So yeah, I just
Speaker 29: want to make that comment and and I added that
Speaker 29: video if you want to review. It's it's a guy
Speaker 29: that millions of people listen to and Muslims. It's it's
Speaker 29: even scarier in Canada. You know, you have Canadians calling
Speaker 29: and saying this stuff. Oh yeah, sorry, Jay, I couldn't
Speaker 29: hear that last part was cutting out.
Speaker 8: I don't know if it just me or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's.
Speaker 6: H oh.
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe it's just I don't know if it's me
Speaker 8: or the signal. I can't hear anything.
Speaker 6: U