Speaker 1: So man, go ahead. So I don't think any just
spols for actually.
Speaker 2: Gonna I'll argue, which is ridiculous because Muslims and Methodists
today have been popping off.
Speaker 1: So obviously if they're not going to come.
Speaker 2: Actually debate, which I didn't think they would, then it's
open for them. If your quest to speak, I'll bring
you up. What's on your mind? Nobody, nobody has any
questions comments. None of the Muslims, none of the Methodists
would come and debate. What amount of pretty coweries due
the student speaking out there? O my gosh, I was
looking forward to this too because we had so many
people popping off talking smack and none of them will
actually co make their arguments.
Speaker 1: Finally here we go.
Speaker 3: I'mut, So was it you those keeping yapping in my comments?
Speaker 1: Yeah, with all your stup your stupid bad arguments.
Speaker 3: Stupid bad arguments. What was the bad argument that I said.
Speaker 2: Well, you're your Koran says that's confirmed by the prior revelation,
and you said the private revelation is all corrupt, so
you just owned yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, we're what was the initial topic.
Speaker 1: What does that have to do with this argument?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're afraid because I provided you evidence I'm
afraid of sources nationalism and tribalism, and then not where
you're allowed to enslave women, allowed to rape women?
Speaker 1: Say that that never says rape in the text. You're lying.
It never says that, you want to.
Speaker 2: Where does it say rape in the text?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, do around me very well?
Speaker 2: You sure?
Speaker 3: All right? So let's read it together.
Speaker 4: Where does the text a man if I'm reading it
to you, if a man happens to meet a virgin
who is not pledged to be married and rape her
and they are discovered, you shall pay her father fifty
shekels of silver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does allow you, idiot?
Speaker 3: The young woman, he can never get.
Speaker 2: That's the penalty. That's a penalty. It's not allowing for
you have to pay the dowry. You have to pay
the dowry.
Speaker 4: So if I reap your daughter, would you be satisfied
I pay you fifty shekels? Be honest.
Speaker 2: That's not the law. Now that's the law. Then on,
So you think that's so you think that's corrupt.
Speaker 3: I feel I believe this is disgusting and it's okay.
Speaker 2: So your then your koran? So can you can you
correct your Kuran? Then is confirmed by a corrupt the text? Correct?
Speaker 5: Wait?
Speaker 2: I answered your question?
Speaker 6: Is the okay?
Speaker 2: Is the Koran confirmed by prior revelation?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he confirms the initial confirmation of the target.
Speaker 2: It confirms the initial confirmation. That's pure gibberish. Does the
Okay confirmed by a corrupt the text?
Speaker 4: I don't leaving deed eeronomy, no one, no Muslim does
what the prior revelation? The prior revelations that engel in
the Torah?
Speaker 2: This is the Torah, you idiot? Yeah? I know this,
but this is correct. Confirm it is confirmed by a
corrupted text, you idiot? Yeah, the Quran confirmed by a
corrupt detect You just admitted that's corrupted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is corrupted.
Speaker 2: Is conferred by a corruption.
Speaker 3: Been a bust tells us.
Speaker 2: Is correct, conferred by a corrupted text.
Speaker 3: It confirms and revelation of the Torah, which is what
you're reading.
Speaker 2: Because, idiot, there's a rape in your Bible.
Speaker 4: Bro, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: You don't have an argument. You just owned yourself. So
he just admitted the Torah. He didn't realize he's reading
the Torah, and the Torah for him is a corrupt
the text. The Koran is confirmed by corrupt the text.
This is the stupidity of these people. By the way,
it doesn't it say you can rape people. It says
that if there is a rape that was confirmed, you
have to pay the penalty of a dowry. It's not
saying you can rape you idiot. All right, here's next.
Since we had our low iq must song, what's up.
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 7: Dude, you're gonna sit here with that argument, and you're
not even gonna listen to the fact that bron also
says the previous revelations are corrupted.
Speaker 8: We don't have that today.
Speaker 2: You don't understand how dumb that is. You don't understand
how stupid this argument. Yeah, you're a fucking idiot. I'll
say exactly, no argument, just calling me a fucking idiot
because you can't actually argue the position because you're too stupid.
He's low iq hintbred idiots who can't basic propositions.
Speaker 1: Here, Isaiah, what's up?
Speaker 2: See you see how these people act. Do you understand
that it can't be confirmed if the previous thing is corrupted?
How could it confirm if it's corrupted? This is so
stupid icy. What's up. I'm musical.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not a Muslim, But I always wanted to
ask you the question for this for years, Like I
read Jonathan Page's brother's book, The Language of Creation, and
I just want to understand what the church says about
taking Genesis as.
Speaker 2: Literal, what the first says?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 9: Well, just in his brother's book, Matthew PAGEO, he kind
of just goes into the symbolism of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Matthew Paste is not Orthodox.
Speaker 2: He's a schizophrenic guy who's kind of out there on
the French.
Speaker 9: I didn't I didn't know. Well, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not being me and that's just no.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm glad you told me that. I think
I thank God you told me that. Plus with Jonathan,
but Jonathan Pago takes Genesis as as non minerals.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I disagree with that, but that's that's such
a position.
Speaker 9: So the Orthodox Church doesn't really have anything to say
on that or there.
Speaker 2: I would argue that it's an inconsistent position because the
sixth Ecumentical Council says that you cannot say that death
existed prior to Adam's fault.
Speaker 9: So I think it's Oh yeah, they argue, they argue that,
so that means that would extend to like the Christians,
I believe in evolution.
Speaker 10: What right.
Speaker 2: There? But I don't think they're intentionally being heretics. But
I think you appreciate your question.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Did you just.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Did you just say that you're allowed to rape as
long as you pear dowry to.
Speaker 2: The to the to the father that I say you're allowed?
Are you that stupid? Did I say that you just
said that.
Speaker 11: I was just.
Speaker 1: Anybody?
Speaker 12: The brother provided evidence.
Speaker 2: I said, it's a penalty under law fare if you
if you engage in that action, the penalty is you
have to pay the dowry and you're liable to marry
the woman. So it's a penalty. It's a legal penal
sanction against it. It's not saying you can rape.
Speaker 5: You and what happens to the woman?
Speaker 12: Does she marry him?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: According to the oh so you marry the the rapists
if he.
Speaker 2: If these are the laws of warfare, which which negate
the possibility of acting in a brutal way. So it's
a it's actually dissuading you from committing rape.
Speaker 1: It's not saying you can commit rape, you idiot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a penalty, penalty.
Speaker 2: Thank you for admitting it's a penalty, a penalty. You's
admitted it's a penalty, you idiot.
Speaker 9: Thank you when I was trying penalty.
Speaker 2: So it's not saying you can do it.
Speaker 5: Married the reapist is crazy.
Speaker 2: You just admitted it's a penalty, you dummy. So that
you're lying about what I said, it proves you're lying
about what I both so would you about what I said?
So you're so hold on is does the Koran based
on the to then? Is it confirmed by the before
you jump? You can't answer them. You can't answer the dilemma,
can't you know?
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying as many pass you that says
you can read.
Speaker 2: No, it does idea.
Speaker 5: The Book of Isaiah says you had the Book of
Zachar do what you dummy.
Speaker 2: You just admitted it's a penalty. So it's not saying
you can't penalty.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense because you marry the reapist.
Speaker 2: It's a penalty, Yes, it does. So at world, if
you violated, would you not to bury the if in
the ancient if not the world, we don't live in
the intro. I just need to pay you fifty seconds. Dude,
stop talking. It's a penalty that means you can't do it.
It's a it's an act. It dissuades you from doing it.
Do you know a dowry dowry.
Speaker 3: Flesh and drink his blood.
Speaker 13: You become stupid.
Speaker 2: No, you're demonically possessed because you just it's Sunday drink.
You just admit it that you're a blaspheamer. You just
admitted that the Koran is confirmed by a corrupt detext
So you just undid your whole brother. You just said that, you.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 2: If it's a penalty, then you can't do it, you dummy.
You said it's a penalty, Well, who does she marry you?
The girl? The girl marries the rapist.
Speaker 14: That's crazy, bro, I know.
Speaker 2: You're not crazy. It's the ancient world, dummy, And you
just admitted that you lied because you said I said
you could do it. But then you said it's a penalty. Well,
a penalty is a legal dissuaiter. It's not doing it.
It's not saying you can do it, you idiot. These
are the stupidest people on the planet. In the ancient world,
if you violated a woman, she was no longer able
to be married off, and thus you had to pay
a massive amount of money. A dowry is not a
small amount of money. So this is a pedal that
dissuades you from doing it in a world that was brutal, okay,
ancient brutality, and these are mitigating factors in the ancient
world against the brutality of the pagan world. So again,
these people are lying and stupid because their own texts
that they are Every time they say that this is
all corrupt the texts, they're undoing the Quran because the
Koran says it's confirmed by the Torah sid So I
wish one of the Muslims that could actually make the
argument and follow through. Do you understand how stupid that was?
You said you could read. Uh No, if it's a penalty,
it's dissuaded you from doing it. The penalty is not
a light penalty, it's a severe penalty. A dowry was
like I forget the exact percentage, but it was like
multiple years of income, or at least a year's income,
something like that. So now that's a dissuader. It's not
saying you can do it, you're idiot. And by the way,
his whole religion is based on slavery. What's he talking about?
So it's open for him and the questions you want
to come up, I'll bring you up.
Speaker 1: All these calls on the.
Speaker 2: Get requests to speak, I'll bring you up. We've already
had two Muslims refute themselves out of.
Speaker 1: Their own mouths.
Speaker 2: And you notice that neither of them wants to talk
about the By the way, they want to get to
talk about morals. Allah is multiple times in the Kuran
said to be the greatest of deceivers.
Speaker 1: So wait a minute.
Speaker 2: If Allah is the greatest of deceivers, then their God
is actually the devil, and they have no basis for
this moral posture. If you come up and talk about
theistic evolution, I'm done. I'm not talking with you about that.
I'm started talking to you about that.
Speaker 15: Hey, Jake, can know if in the Quran you could
basically have as many sex concubines as your right hand possesses,
isn't that literally in the Koran?
Speaker 2: I don't know where they I mean, because they then
they say, nowadays it's four. So I have no idea
where the different legal thick rulings come from. It's all
over the place. I mean, they've got you know, Arab
chieks with countless wives and concubines, but now there's only four.
So who knows.
Speaker 15: Because based on what I know is that, yeah, legally
they could have four wives, but then they could have
endless byproduct of war sex concubines.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what Deuteronomy is actually trying to mitigate, is
that tendency. So the laws are mitigating the thing that
you're talking about. And it's not saying that you can
rape people. It's saying that you will pay heavy fines
if you engage in that activity exactly.
Speaker 15: And from an Islamic perspective, they have a cart blanche
to do the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're saying, yeah, they're saying it's morally reprehensible
when all is the greatest of deceivers and allows them
to have the Everything they're saying is reprehensible.
Speaker 15: Good point, it's crazy, man, anyway, That's all I want
to say, right point.
Speaker 2: Appreciate the mkg uh guys hit requests to speak. You're
welcome to come up if you disagree, I want one
of the Musclims to actually, you notice we've never had
a Muslim attempt to address except for doctor Khalil is
like the only one, the one with a PhD, actually
attempt to address the islam As dilemma because every time
they argue that the Torah has corrupt, they turned around
and say that the Koran is confirmed by the Torah,
which is so stupid. Oh you mean it's confirmed by
the thing that you just says corrupt. And then they'll
say yes, but not all the Torah. Oh well, then
what's the How do we know what the correct Tora is?
But it's what the krun says. It's a good job done.
That's the thing in question. So Hit requests to speak up.
Speaker 6: Bring you up.
Speaker 1: I love the low iq muscles. There are some of
the funnest people. They By the way, this is good
because it's gonna be clipped. I hope the clippers have
fun with this one.
Speaker 2: And pay attention and show the part where they're dishonest.
If you guys clip this, whether JDA or dire Central
or whoever Menesius, whoever clips, because both of those guys
literally contradict to themselves. He says the Quran is confirmed
by the Torah, and then he says the Torre's corrupt.
So and then the other guy says, you literally say
that you can rape, you're supposed to rape. And then
he says, yeah, you're saying it's a penalty. Well, if
it's a penalty, then it's a dissuader, dummy, So who's
up next?
Speaker 1: It requests to speak. We don't have to talk about Islam.
Speaker 2: If you want to defend Protestantism, if those idiot methodists
are here, if you want to come to Finitane defend
your stupid taking game methodis sect feel free to come
make your arguments.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to come. The people just
love to talk, smack on and then we'll cut debate
and then when they come to date.
Speaker 2: They said Thomas Crop ever sit on the hut bay
and their debating with ad i q and Red.
Speaker 1: Literally and acting a Muslim trying to have it yep,
what's up?
Speaker 2: Yep, church history.
Speaker 9: But I would consider myself solo script toward because it
seems like like your side will say we're capful.
Speaker 1: You're you're not super understood.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I will say that for sure. But but I'm
just saying that your side seems like they will say
that they depend on divine revelation in the end, and
for me, I depend on the Holy Spirit. So I
just kind of don't see the big distinction there.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, how do we know it's given that every
sect out there claims that are left by the Holy Spirit,
how would we decide between all the different claims of
whose web of the Spirit?
Speaker 9: I don't know, yeah, but that but I feel like
we're in the same position if you say his divine revelation.
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, since that exists everybody having different claims
of being led by the Spirit, what's the public objective
thing that we could appeal to that would decide between
all the different groups?
Speaker 9: You tell me the public objective? Oh, I see, I
get what you're saying. You're saying, since we can appeal
to the church.
Speaker 2: And do you recognize that there are every sect out
there says their life by the Holy Spirit? Right?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 9: And I think it's a problem too. I understand it's
a problem. That's why you got all these Mormons in Okay,
So we would well.
Speaker 1: Be the thing that is the arbiter between all these
different groups.
Speaker 9: It would it would have to be a church, it
really would.
Speaker 2: So well, good news turns out there's a church that
has taught the same thing from the first thousand years
to now. Okay, so I'll give what you said, because
everybody's gonna say every heretic says they're like by the
way spirit, all of them. Okay, Well, then we're gonna
need some objective arbiter.
Speaker 1: Uh that is some way.
Speaker 2: Well, it turns out we can go find out what
the church of the first thousand years taught. By the way, John,
you missed the muscles that was hilarious to retard Muslims. Thomas,
what's a I'm sorry.
Speaker 16: So I'm curious as to the distinction in the Trinity
when it comes to orthodox versus Protestantism.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean there's a lot of disinctions and the Trinity.
So what do you mean?
Speaker 16: I guess then I need to come back with a
better question.
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's a fine question. But what exactly I mean?
Speaker 2: Are you talk about philioquay, the essenceyentri distinction, nature, person,
eternal generation, what are you talking about?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 16: I'm inquiring Orthodoxy and I was raised Protestant. So I'm
just trying to figure out at least key distinctions that
would absolutely rule one out over the other.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, the Second Ecumenical Council teaches that the Father
is the sole fount cause an arca. That means that
we believe in monarchical s rinitarianism, and that means that
his unique property of being the fount, the cause, and
the source cannot be shared by another person like the son,
because that would be to give away what's called his
hyposeacic property or is unique identifier. So that right there,
and this qualifies all Protestantism because all Protestants defaulted to
believe in the Philioquay because they're Augustinian out of the Reformation.
Speaker 1: So there you go. All of Protestanism canceled out. Right there.
Speaker 2: About another one, All Protestanism is canceled out because they
teach a created grace just like the Roman Catholic Church,
and the Orthodox teaching is that we participate in the
uncreated grace through the sacraments.
Speaker 16: Okay, that's a good place to start, thank you.
Speaker 2: Most Protestants, by the way, teach Classical Protestants teach a
form of equalitarian trinitarian relations or equalitarianism in the Trinity,
which is not the traditional view because that again compromises
the Father as the soul fount source cause nark and
that is one percent clear a stay of the Cavadocian teaching,
and that's the teaching of the Second Ethnical Council. So
if you all want to be Protestants and reject the
Second Medical Council, that's up to you.
Speaker 1: Who's next, and Dialogue ever wants to speak O bring
you up.
Speaker 2: Topics are anything to do with Islam, anything to do
with the papers, anything to do with Protestantism, anything to
do with evangelicalism.
Speaker 1: If you have other questions, feel free. I know, Floridian,
I think you had some.
Speaker 2: I think she wanted to try to talk about last night,
but I couldn't get to you or we couldn't get
a good connection.
Speaker 1: So Floridian, if you'd like to hop up, feel free.
Speaker 2: It's also open to any other topics, geopolitics, conspiracy, history, cults, gnosticism,
black heuber, Israelites, fever roots, Zionism, Messianic Judaism. Any of
these topics are open fair game today, just sitting request
to speaking off pop By the way, I just passed
white sands in Mexico in the middle of nowhere's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: People bring their snowboards and they slid down the dunes,
which I did not know.
Speaker 2: Retro, what's up, man, do those two first Muslims were cold?
I love that because it only took like literally three minutes.
That's to contradict each other. What's up retro?
Speaker 17: Hey, I've been watching videos for a while and I
just had a question out of curiosity. You've mentioned that
the papacy doesn't solve the issue of solo scripture, because
it just moves the problem back a step, because now
you have to interpret all the writings of popes and whatnot.
How would that be different from say, the writings of
the church fathers and the councils and interpreting those.
Speaker 1: It's not different, That's the point.
Speaker 2: The point is that everybody's in the same boat, and
so when a Roman Catholic tries to say that the
papacy will give you individual certitude about the doctrines, that's
the point is that it doesn't just moves upon the
back a step.
Speaker 1: So the point is that we're all in the same boat.
Speaker 2: So we're not going to solve it by just saying, well,
that guy solves it, or this thing solves it. The
thing that solves it is ultimately, at the end of
the day going to be the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: And everybody actually says that.
Speaker 2: Even Roman Catholics admit that individual Ruman Catholics are guided
by the wisdom and the lightment of the Holy Spirit.
So that's the admission that they have as well. Then
the question isn't whether the papacy can give you certitude.
The question is which church is the same structure and
functionality of the first millennium church?
Speaker 13: Perfect that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a great question that one comes up a lot.
Speaker 2: So appreciate that. It's always worth stating that. Robert Castle subject,
go ahead, Robert.
Speaker 1: Ta can you hear me?
Speaker 18: Yes, sir, Hey, So you said you said you're driving
through the middle of nowhere in New Mexico, right, I
had a funny anecdote. I'm actually from the middle of
nowhere in New Mexico, and I grew up about twenty
minutes away from Zoro Ranch, and my my buddy in
cub Scouts when I was a kid, his dad was
actually the ranch manager. And so I went to a
Zoro ranch when I was like thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, And what was it open to the public?
What was it at that time? No, it was it
was definitely not open.
Speaker 18: That was what was weird about the experience was I mean,
I didn't know anything about Epstein at the time.
Speaker 2: I was a kid, you know. But we went out
there and.
Speaker 18: It's just like out in the middle of the desert
in the Galastdale base and just like off of Highway
forty one, and the entrance had these like giant rocks
at the front, and you know, it had this like
super long driveway. But we went there and I just
like spent the night with my friend, just one night,
and we pulled up and it was like this fake
It was like a movie set, like all this new
construction and the buildings were painted like different primary colors,
you know. And I remember even being like twelve thirteen
years old looking around and being like what the.
Speaker 1: Fuck is like, what is this place?
Speaker 6: Like like a fake?
Speaker 18: It's like a fake place. But then it wasn't. Like
it was like seven years later I found out all
this stuff about where I actually was. But anyway, that's
just a funny story. But I just I was wondering
if you had seen some of the stuff Mark Goodwin
was talking about with bitcoin, because he's he's interesting in
that he's recognizing a lot of the connections with you know,
Epstein and the Peel you know, the bitcoin mafia and
all that, but or the PayPal mafia rather, but he's
not blackpailed about it, or at least he seems optimistic
in a sense.
Speaker 14: I was curious to what you thought about what he
had been.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jeffery put money into everything. He was interested
in email, he was interested in stocks. So does that
mean that, oh, I can't be involved in email because
Jeffrey Epstein was involved in it.
Speaker 1: So email is an Epstein operation. I mean that's retarded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he doesn't seem to be.
Speaker 18: He doesn't seem to be saying that that people shouldn't
be involved.
Speaker 12: I've and that's.
Speaker 2: What I don't understand what you mean Blackfield about what
I mean again, If'ting threw money at everything, it makes
sense that he would throw money at every emerging tech,
which is what he did, biotech, commute computers, AI, bitcoin, crypto.
So like it's just just such a boat here argument
that oh he had money in pitpoint. Therefore big Point
is an Epstein operation. Well he doesn't.
Speaker 18: That's why I was asking if you had seen what
Mark Goodwin said, because he doesn't seem to I don't
know who that is.
Speaker 14: He's a he's a.
Speaker 18: Former editor of Bitcoin magazine, and he's a he he
has articles released on Unlimited Hangout, which is Whitney Webb's website.
Speaker 1: But okay, but Whitney Webb.
Speaker 2: I now like Whitney Webb generally, but also if you
watch Bitcoin Mechanics reputation of Whitney Webb, he shows that
she has no idea about the technology. And so Whitney's
whole thing is just like, well, BlackRock's buying bitcoin. The
bitcoin's now compromised. But the problem is that you can't
stop It's like you can't stop people from buying these things.
It's like saying that I'm not gonna buy gold because
the roth Child's own gold.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but like that's there's no way around that.
Speaker 2: Like you can't if it's in the open market, you're
not gonna be able to stop people from buying things.
Speaker 1: But just because the roth Child's own gold.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that, Oh well, I guess gold I'm
gonna hold dollars because the roth Child's own gold. It's just,
it's all this stuff is super just low tier dumb arguments.
I'm not saying you, but I'm saying the people that
will say, I mean, I'm not I like bitcoin over gold,
but I'm saying gold is better than Fiat. But imagine saying, well,
I'm not gonna buy Fiat because the roth Child's own Fiat.
The Queen of England has a bunch of gold. So
that's evil currency that It's just dumb. It's so stupid, MKG.
Speaker 1: What's something, hey, Jay?
Speaker 15: Another thing I was thinking regarding the Muslim very rigid,
simplest stig myopic view they seem to have, and just
looking at Islamic history, they seem to have this very
abominable version of symphonia.
Speaker 8: They don't have this.
Speaker 15: Crime sin distinction, at least not in the way Christianity does.
So everything is broad brushed, everything is relative. Things are
not categorically placed in the way Christianity places, you know,
civic rights, spiritual rights, so apostasy, for example, like all
the Muslim clerics would still have to hold that if
in an Islamic state, a Muslim born person converts to Christianity,
if the state is Muslim, they should execute that person.
So and and some people say, oh, but in the
Christian Empire there were also apostasy you know, death sentences,
capital punishments, but it was never very It was more
a wartime strategy. Even in Byzantium it had that civic
spiritual distinction. The Orthodox Church never would subscribe, or at
least correct me if I'm wrong, would say that someone
who apostasizes from Christianity ought to be punished capitally, that
person should be turned to repentance. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: If that's not true, Well, there's a lot of different
legislations for different situations. So it more so depends on Like, no,
if you wanted to leave the Christian faith, one is
free to do that. You can't let the church says up,
I mean, you might get excommunicated. More So, what becomes
a civil penalty is when you become a civil disturbance.
Speaker 1: And so if you begin to, for example.
Speaker 2: Teach some new heretical sect and people have to understand
that because because religion was an intimate part of the
world in the ancient world and in the medieval world.
It was also thus a revolutionary force if you were
a sectarian. And so one of the reasons that the
princes had laws against these kinds of heretical sex is
that it could create a social revolution, as actually many
of the medieval cults and sex did. For example in France,
that the cathari ended up becoming a political social movement
that took over several areas of France. They held like
four or five different castles and strongholds. And this is
why the princes were trying to stamp it out ahead
of time, was because they understood that this could become
as it could.
Speaker 1: Undo you know, the different kingdoms.
Speaker 2: So that's why there are at times legal civil penalties
for heresy.
Speaker 1: And I think that makes it actually makes.
Speaker 15: Perfect exactly and that's a proper use of symphonia.
Speaker 12: But they don't have that like it's still merger.
Speaker 2: They don't have those distinctions. They think of it like
God wants you to die right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's there.
Speaker 15: There's no semblance of you know, distinction of crime versus sin.
You know, a crime is a sin, but a sin
is not a crime. And I think Joel Webbin made
a good point of that on one of his podcast episodes.
But it's just it's really fascinating that from from my
point vantage point when I see even from the laity
of the Muslims, that the way they interact with religious
and the theological issues, it's very much like CNN Fox
News kind of slogans. What are the slogans, what what
are the emotional emotionally because.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, because most of them are ad i Q
people and it's in bred retard to religion literal I mean,
not being me, and that's just the facts.
Speaker 1: So what do you expect.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole religion is the mindset of an
Arab slave owner, master slave. I mean it's like you're
all a slave, so of course they're going to believe
that their deity is an Arab slave owner.
Speaker 1: I mean that's essentially what the deity is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a perfect religion for low IQ
desert dwelling people who think that Satan dwells in a
rock wall that you can throw a rock side. I
mean it's retarded, dude, they believe that the double farts.
I mean, like it's just crazy. I mean, beople to
have this like really deep mystical meaning, it's a retarded religion. Man,
it's a dumb cult, and cults always have these really
dumb positions. Fuck who's next?
Speaker 1: Hoping for him?
Speaker 2: We'll keep going as long as we have the Internet.
This is a really fascinating drive. In the middle of
nowhere in New Mexico. We just saw a big I
guess it looks like a Catholic shrine. I'm not sure
what it was. He's not question anything to do with
Protestanism is Bob church history, papal city, evangelical holds heber
is or lights heber roots, sam.
Speaker 1: H go to Sam and then to Nico.
Speaker 13: Difficult, okay. A guy a few minutes ago asked about uh, yeah, can.
Speaker 1: You one at a time? Samuel de Nico?
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 19: A guy a few minutes ago asked about the difference
between Trinitarian or Protestant trinitarianism versus Orthodox trinitarianism, and you
said they have like a kind of an equality type
of I don't know if that's who gets described the
kind of co equal, co eternal type. I guess like
shorthand of it, versus you said, orthodoxis menorah like.
Speaker 1: King, monarchic goal pnitarianism.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 19: So how how does how does how do those differ specifically?
And how does that avoid any issue of like one
being like subservient of the other and the Godhead.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go and tell you to go watch
all the lectures and interviews that we don't talk to
boat Brins depth and I'm not going to repeat twenty
hours of podcasting lectures right here, Nico.
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 5: Hey, Jay? I wanted to ask something. You know in Islam?
Speaker 6: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: So, in Islam they promised to believers that once you
go to heaven, if you make it to heaven, your
promise for example, for men, your promise you know like
con combines and women and eternal you know, like it's
like headonistic part dice.
Speaker 1: The humans. They're like savage defeat tal giant women.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 5: Yes, So how can a person be moral if if
your highest point in life is to make it to
a hedonistic heaven, how can you be moral and you know,
like being.
Speaker 2: I mean they're just yeah, I get it right, but
they're just gonna say moral is whatever all our worlds
and which I really think it's system.
Speaker 1: But olepos what's up, Hey.
Speaker 2: Jay, I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 20: In Greek, the word for heaven is and paradise. Is
there a difference between those two. Is Paradise like a
state and heaven is like a sort of a place?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think in Orthodox theology, Paradise is Eden.
That's where Adam and e where it's where Enoch and
Elijah were translated or translated to. And so it's different
than having proper, which is the third heavens, which is
God's thrown So there's.
Speaker 1: A distinction there.
Speaker 20: Okay, perfect, thank you?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see who's next.
Speaker 21: M It's me, Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 10: So I have a question because the bishop in Poland
I can make you make a statement that we should
go to synagogue and no in the anniversary of the Pope.
Speaker 2: JP two going there.
Speaker 10: So questions should we go and pray in synagog?
Speaker 2: Oh? The ancient canon for vision bring and senagogue sending
Worthodox speciallymen all inside to go to the synagogue. Yeah,
to visit.
Speaker 1: Oh that's sad, that's terrible. No, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Robert, what's up, Roberto? Hello?
Speaker 22: Hello, I just wanted to follow up on what the
previous Carla was asking about Heaven and Eden, just contrasting,
what what's the Orthodox theological view of Abraham's Bosom when
compared to Eden?
Speaker 13: Because I'm Roman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Abraham's Bosom was a place in eighties, so it's
where the righteous the Old Testament resided prior prior to Christ. Harrowing.
Speaker 13: So with that is is that way infants went historically
before Christ? In the Orthodox view?
Speaker 1: Possibly there is some speculation, but I don't know that
we have a heart, okay, like we know for sure
position okay.
Speaker 22: And then so for us, I was trying to read
more about the original sin versus ancestral sin distinction in
the Orthodox versus the Catholic view. So why is it
in the Orthodox view that people went to Abraham's bosom
because people didn't triumph over because Christ hadn't triumphed over
death yet in the Orthodox view, is that is that.
Speaker 2: Why people went to Abraham's Bosom?
Speaker 13: Yes, yeah, right, okay?
Speaker 22: So for us Enoch and Lies, we don't have a
position whether they went to Eden or Heaven or to
Abraham's Bosom. What sweat does that come from? In the
Orthodox view? Where can I read about that? That Enoch
and Lies went to Eden.
Speaker 2: Because they haven't died yet, so they were translated to Paradise,
and they have not died yet. They wouldn't be in Heaven,
they would be in Paradise. So then and that's why
we would say that, like in the Book of Revelation,
and it appears that they do come back to be martyr.
Speaker 22: And then how does that figure with Moses, Like how
does that work with Moses and Elias coming back at
the trans and Elias coming back at the transfiguration. So
does Moses get taken from Abraham's Bosom and then Elias
from Eden for the transfigurations?
Speaker 1: Possibly? Possibly?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well hold on, so because here he's I'm
took about the Book of Revelation where.
Speaker 1: It's it's isn't a nich and Elijah?
Speaker 13: So yeah, you're right about Revelation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And that's because that's because there are
the only two people who didn't undergo death, but Moses
did undergo death, and so Moses will be resurrected like
everybody else in the resurrection.
Speaker 22: Yeah, because it always was sort of interesting because in
the Transfiguration in the Gospels, Moses is there, but I
was trying to figure out where he's actually where God's
bringing him from.
Speaker 13: In the Gospel.
Speaker 2: I think I think that most is right. So they're
in Hades, in the in the in the realm of
the righteous, right.
Speaker 13: In Yeah, okay, sorry, you're cutting it, thank you?
Speaker 22: Yes, So if anything else so then Abraham, yes, sorry,
and then Abraham's bosom for the Orthodox is empty at
the moment. I think it's the same for Catholics as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're supposed to believe in the uh, you know,
descent into Hades, although in Roman Catholic theology, in my estimation,
it's really unclear what the point of that is or
in other words, it doesn't have much significance in Catholic theology,
like it doesn't Orthomoz. Why is that?
Speaker 13: Why Why do you say, because I've heard about.
Speaker 2: Because Eastern theology, Because Eastern theology stressed and emphasized the
cosmic scope of christ redemption, and after Saint Maximus and
the fact that all of reality is going to be transfigured,
and after the Middle Ages in the Latin West, after
a quietness and Anselm and Augustine, Latin theology does not
hold to any significance for the universe for Christ assuming
universal human nature?
Speaker 13: Okay?
Speaker 22: And is there anywhere I can read about that that comparison?
I don't want to waste your time. When can I
read about that? That comparison?
Speaker 1: I wrote an essay?
Speaker 2: I wrote an I wrote an essay on that, but
you could read just the Cosmic h Cosmic Mystery of
Jesus Christ by Saint Maximus.
Speaker 13: Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Yeah, those great questions. I appreciate, though,
haven't they haven't delft into that topic in a long time.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: So, I'm in the I didn't realize it's mountainous up
here in northern New Mexico, so it's actually a totally
different climate than where I was. So I don't know
how long the self connection will last here, but feel
we'll try to continue as long as we can.
Speaker 1: Shout out to John, what's up John.
Speaker 2: In the chat, Shout out to slow Boys, Shout out
to Jay Dyer Archive, Shout out to Nevsky, all our
buddies in the chat. Props to all of you guys
that are churning out the clips. Really appreciate that the
request to speak. I'll bring you up while we still
have a little bit of a signal. I doubt it
will last much longer. I just passed Alan Migordo and
White Sands Air Force Base, so I did get in
k ultra reprogrammed by the aliens at Roswell's.
Speaker 1: We were only about an hour from Roswell and so
they have programmed me.
Speaker 2: I'm a chosen Pleadian and the Blue Avians are the
real good Aliens and the chicken headed Aliens with the
bad guys.
Speaker 1: What's up aiden.
Speaker 2: Question?
Speaker 14: Do it like Old Testament relations? I guess in a way.
So this is like a Protestant hypothetical question. Like they
have their invisible Church doctrine stuff. For example, they can
make what if they made an argument of in the
Old Testament, like non descendants of Abraham being faithful and
trying to use that to justify the invisible Church doctrine?
How would you attack that argument? I'm confused.
Speaker 1: How is this at all? What is this supposed to prove?
Speaker 17: It?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 14: Yeah, what was the thinking about hypothetical of a Protestant
trying to justify the invisible Church based off of in
the Old Testament?
Speaker 1: There being okay? But Hebrews eleventh.
Speaker 2: Hebrews eleven says they're part of the same mystical body
as we are, So would I would actually prove our
position not the invisible Church. But I mean, in other words,
the Church has always been visible. And just because the
Church of the Old Testament, and by the way, it's
called the Ecclesia of the Old Testament, Book of Hebrews,
the Church and the Wilderness, just because it had uh,
gentile converts. I mean, Abraham was a gentle convert, so
it's always been gentle converts. Yeah, just because it allowed that.
I mean, how would that prove invisible church? That has
nothing to do with invisible church, because it's still uh,
a visible society of people with true and uh and
false believers within it.
Speaker 14: Just like it is said, all right, thank you, Jay,
I appreciate it. I'm I'm just used to very low
tier arguments of like people right and like Satanic warshippers. Yeah,
appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think I think I get where
you're where they're going with that, But actually it undermines
the argument because Yeah, that's why I think even in
the Old.
Speaker 1: Testament, it's still a single visible society. Yeah, it's not
a thousand different there's not a thousand off Israels.
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, I was thinking off the original basis of Job.
But Job was a descendant from I can't I'm horrible pronouncing,
but he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But even so, like in in Accodus, it says
that many of the Egyptians had converted and left with
the Israelites. So those are all uh Israelites as well.
They're converts. So the Old Testament religion did accept converts.
But that how would that prove an invisible church?
Speaker 14: I guess what the what they would typically say is, oh,
this is an example of you don't have to be
part of the visible body or something like that.
Speaker 1: You don't have to but they were part of the
they were part of it. They were though, but they were.
Speaker 14: So I'm just thinking of what loutsier type of response.
Speaker 2: It says that they left Egypt with the Israelites, so
they were part of it there.
Speaker 14: Thank you, Jay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I'm trying to think of other
I mean Joe, but there's some scholars debate whether Joe's
actually a Jewish guy or a gentile guy. I mean again,
either way, it doesn't really matter. Because Paul argues that
it was always the case that the only people who
are true Israelites are the ones who love God from
their heart. And that's whether you're Noah or Adam or
Abraham or Moses or anybody today. That's the only people
who have ever been true Israelites. That's Paul's whole entire argumentation.
I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Old Testament was a visible society of
a mixed multitude of believers and unbelievers, and so that
would actually again undermine an attempt at an invisible church doctrine,
because the all invisible church doctrine came about because the
protests are formed how to figure out, well, how can
we have true believers amongst divided different sects in group,
And that's where you get in a visible church.
Speaker 1: So really undercuts it if they try to go to
the Old Testament sage. What's up, dude, I'm your.
Speaker 6: Good question.
Speaker 10: What is your opinion on the genesis?
Speaker 6: Gap to here?
Speaker 1: Real quick?
Speaker 2: I mean, I tend to believe in a young Earth.
So what do you mean do you talk at the
day age theory? Are you talking about the genealogy.
Speaker 4: The genealogy or in general, what is Eastern Orthodox view
of the genesis gap.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean a lot of modern Orthodox believe in
a theistic evolution. I don't, and the Byzantine calendar supports
my view. So the traditional Orthodoxy all whatever, All right, cool,
thank you for some Yes, it's funny to you. Jim
Bob's doing really good debating all these evolutionists because he's
figured out like the key leaps and bounds and non
sequitors that all the evolutions once make, and he's getting
really good at just asking them all these basic questions
that they can't make sense of because they don't even
realize that they have this like mystical, magical worldview that
they think is rational and scientific. And it's like, okay, fine, maybe, okay, fine,
maybe you've got you know, maybe you've got the goods.
If you do, then you should be able to ask
and answer some of these basic questions about the magical, mystical,
quantum foam elements of evolution, and they never can.
Speaker 1: They just melt down and lose their minds. And to me,
it's like, like, how these people are so dogmatic and
so certain? Why are they have such a hard thought
answering like basic questions.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go Muslims again. What's up, dude? I'm h.
Speaker 6: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna say something? Muslim?
Speaker 6: Dude?
Speaker 2: What's up? H?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna talk or not?
Speaker 2: Dude on you? That's true, That's true.
Speaker 16: Jim Bob's been killing it with these evolution guys.
Speaker 2: Are you Muslim or Orthodox?
Speaker 16: I'm Orthodox?
Speaker 1: I am I'm not a Muslim, but I thought you're Muslim.
Speaker 2: I could I could barely no that.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, congratulations on your on your generational run.
Speaker 16: You've been killing it.
Speaker 1: Thanks dude.
Speaker 16: Yeah, this Apollo guy real quick?
Speaker 21: Oh yeah, I am sorry about that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I I met I Muslim, i' Muslim? What is
what is going on? I'm marrying myself twice?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 2: Uh, Apollo the guy that interview You've had a gelical
guy that interviewed it here are you talking about? I
think he had a bad actually dropped off.
Speaker 1: I don't know what ch Apollo guy he's talking about?
What's up?
Speaker 6: Man? Uh?
Speaker 1: Sage? If you can connect?
Speaker 2: It's weird. We're up here in the middle of nowhere
and I have like full bars, which I did not
expect up here or there? Sage? Are you there?
Speaker 1: Can you connect?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 2: It's open for him. We're gonna go to some people
that we haven't gone to yet. If you've not come up,
you have a question and challenge and comment and debate.
You disagree, you go to the headline for debating Protestanism, Islam, Papism,
church history and cults, sex, narcissism, libertarianism, feminism, Zionism, keeper roots,
black heeper, Israel lies. Anybody who has any question related
you can stop that. You're welcome to come up. You
don't have to day, You're welcome to if you want to.
Who is next?
Speaker 6: Come on?
Speaker 1: Now we're going and tell my internet cell service runs
out here.
Speaker 2: Hit request to speak. You go to the head of
the line. Come on, now, I know somebody's got something that.
Speaker 6: We got a.
Speaker 2: Or sixty people. Aiden, what's up? Aiden, I'm mute, And
then we go to Alexander. Go ahead. Uh.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 23: So I was having a discussion with one of my
friends and we got into the topic of like church
structure and like how the church like formed in like
over time, and so we kind of pretty much the
conversation came boiling down to at like nice one. He
was like contending that the church fundamentally like changed in structure,
and so I was like wondering, like, uh, how do
you or like what books would you recommend to.
Speaker 8: Like read up on that, and like how would it happen?
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, so go.
Speaker 2: Find Perry Robinson's talk on YouTube on Apostolic succession and
he shows that the New Testament is SOLF teaches absolute succession.
To look at the way Paul speaks to Timothy in
the Letters to Timothy. He says, I laid hands on you, Timothy.
I appointed you at Ephesus. No one else is appointed.
And you also after after you yourself lay hands on
good men, because the Holy Spirit is transferred in the
laying out of hands.
Speaker 10: And uh.
Speaker 2: The Apistolic fathers also teach the exact same doctrine of
epistolic succession. Also, Alex Soren did a recent two hour
live stream on episodic succession as well. So I would
say those are some of the best resources right there, Alexander,
what's up, dude, I'm mean Alexander.
Speaker 1: Then we'll go to Jacob.
Speaker 24: Hi are you good at can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 6: I can hear you?
Speaker 24: Go ahead, all right, yeah, speaking from sure, it's Steve
been a very young just cat my crystal the space
inside to journey. Like your topic in discuss religion is
quite I guess most of the topic I've been talked
about around the Santas, the major religion on the likes
and religions.
Speaker 1: It's hard to understand you what's your question?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 24: Different from this.
Speaker 2: Well hello, Okay, I.
Speaker 1: Can't understand what you're saying. Man, I'm sorry, Jacob, what's
up Jacob on you?
Speaker 2: Then we'll go to through.
Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah, what's a dog?
Speaker 2: So sorry if you get this question a lot.
Speaker 7: But I'm a Baptist who's looking into Orthodoxy and when
the Bible talks about us being adopted is sons of God.
And like you know, the Holy Spirit being a seal
that sounds like very like permanent language that like you
can't lose. So like, how does U Orthodox? Like how
do Eastern?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the very the very language that you
used in Hebrew six says if you taste of the
heavenly gifts and partakers of the Holy Spirit, if you
if you turn away, there's no salvation for you. So
the very language and sacramental graces that you mentioned are
mentioned in Hebrews six.
Speaker 8: Okay, I say that makes sense.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a great question. I mean, yeah, you know,
he who perseveres to the end will be saved. Jacob,
what's up?
Speaker 1: I mean, even Jacob Jacob, I'm you.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. Uh sorry I lost her there for a second, Tariq,
I'm you sorry, I'm mute.
Speaker 25: Yeah, I just wanted to say, from everything so far,
like from what I've heard from you guys, it looks
like the Americans are quite held bent upon trying to
prove Islam wrong and something fake was Yeah, yeahs with America.
Speaker 1: It has to do with Orthodox Christianity.
Speaker 25: Well, I take that you've got an American accent, so
I take you have some sort of Yeah.
Speaker 1: But what does that have to do with the arguments
against a loan that we made.
Speaker 25: No, because obviously the tightest subject here is Protestant is
an Islam impact No, no, no, I'm just presuming on
that part, you know, just instead of actually actually just
you know, taking on board that you know, you've got
a BIB, you've got a Bible out the basically regardless
of which one it's an edited book. You've got things
which are wrong, and what's come to actually clarify what
is wrong.
Speaker 2: How does the Quran? How does the Quran say that
prior revelation confirms the Quran? If the prior revelation is corrupted.
Speaker 25: Yeah, I'll explain this to you. So basically, in the Quran,
it's actually verifies that even though that the the Jews
and the Romans put Jesus on the cross, but they
did not crucify him, but it was made to appear
as such. So before this, what the us.
Speaker 2: Now we know you're so basically before this, I'm putting
the answer of the objection.
Speaker 25: Yeah, so sins, Sorry, you're breaking up like babies. Hear
what you're saying?
Speaker 2: H on the prior Christians corrupted?
Speaker 25: Yeah, just say that once again, because I never heard
what you said completely.
Speaker 2: The Quran says in multiple verses that prior revelation and
the Torah confirmed the teaching of the Qur'an. How is
that the case if the prior revelation is corrupted?
Speaker 25: Because what that what the same Quran actually teaches that
it's not it's not corrupted like complete corruption, But.
Speaker 2: How did it confirm it if it's corrupted? So if
it's half corrupted, how can it confirm it? How do
we know what's corrupted not corrupt?
Speaker 25: Well, how it confirms it? Because whatever it says, he
here met.
Speaker 9: In my mouth?
Speaker 2: Sorry, is it half corrupted? How could it confirm it
if it's corrupted?
Speaker 25: Yeah, it confirms that. It confirms with information.
Speaker 2: Your book is confirmed by a corrupted text.
Speaker 25: The books not confirming.
Speaker 12: No no no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no.
Speaker 25: Your your point works in my mouth? Now, Okay.
Speaker 2: It says that multiple tizes as the Torah confirms the
Torah and the prophets, the teaching of Moses confirmed.
Speaker 1: What is then the Quran?
Speaker 2: And then you guys are so stupid that you sit
here for hours arguing that it's all corrupted.
Speaker 1: Okay, so then it doesn't confirm the Koran. Idiot Jacob,
what's up? Yep? Okay?
Speaker 26: The god of Judaism and the I guess the attributes
from the cabalistic tree of life?
Speaker 1: What about it?
Speaker 14: Yes?
Speaker 26: So I wanted to know if like other Hebrew cults,
like that guy you debated, Captain uh, I can't even
think of his name.
Speaker 1: He's a Hebrew is a light gay?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like would his God also be the same thing, like.
Speaker 26: You would have a cabalistic tree of life attributes and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he knows anything about Kabala. He's
just a Unitarian, so I don't I don't know where
he derives his I mean, that's just a super low
IQ cult. I don't think they think. They don't even
think it out that far.
Speaker 13: Are you there?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll try as long as we can. But the
cell service as.
Speaker 2: It might be done now as soon, so if you
have any last objections, questions, comments, this is probably the
last chance to get it in today.
Speaker 1: We're in the mountains here, so I cut out.
Speaker 6: That's a no.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Hebrew Israelites have any really developed theology.
Is just kind of each individual Black Hebrew is a
like cult leader makes it up as he goes. So
who's next?
Speaker 1: Supercoasters KI can bring you up MKG.
Speaker 15: Is it not a question? Well, not exactly, but I
just want to know if you ever get the time
to just check the DM I sent you if it
has any merit. I know it's it's a it might be.
Speaker 2: I'll check it out. Appreciate that acacious. What's up?
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's going on, brother, I just kind of joined in,
so I was just trying to get some understanding. So basically,
you're saying that the Abrahamer religions are fake? And yeah,
is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: There is no common Abrahamic religion. There's only Orthodox Christianity.
That's the only one. Islam and Judaism or not Abrahamic religions.
Speaker 21: Okay, I've always interested in that ways, I guess I'm
dismiss understood.
Speaker 9: So are you?
Speaker 21: So you're saying you're an Orthodox Christian?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I got So what what is your take?
Did you want to discuss that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 21: So, what are the contemporaries of the time of Jesus
being alive to prove that he was real?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: Why is that the way that we proved something? That's
the case.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's all kinds of things in history that
don't have contemporary writers like Plato.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was Plato fake.
Speaker 2: Too, I don't.
Speaker 21: I mean, I know who Plato is, but I'm pretty
sure Socrates or somebody I think it is Socrates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has writings to him or well, Socrates
didn't write anything, so you don't know what you're talking
about the earliest manuscript of Plato's eleven eleven hundred eighty.
Speaker 21: Okay, well, I mean so, for example, like the Roman Empire,
they documented a lot of things. They documented basically every
time their soldier steps outside the gate, or new inventions
or what's going on in politics, and they never the
Romans or even the Library of Alexandria, no scholar, no
writers ever wrote about this miraculous jew walking on water
people bringing them back from the dead. They would do that.
I mean, who wouldn't do that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, no, if they believed it was old Jewish superstition,
why would they they didn't believe it, why would they
write about it. By the way, this as an argument
from silence anyway, what is it supposed to prove.
Speaker 21: I'm just asking you questions. I'm not trying to get
an argument or fight.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're making arguments.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that that is an argument that Jesus
we don't know that he existed, because you understand that
there's way more attestation to the New Testament than there
is to Plato. So I'm on better grounds believing in
the New Testament. There's over five thousand manuscripts from the
first three centuries that attest to the existence of Christ,
the veracity of the New Testament, And you're on much
shake to your grounds with anything else.
Speaker 1: You don't even know that Socrates didn't write anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm not a historian of that era at all.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 21: One to hear your take on it.
Speaker 2: Well, why why would why should we believe? Should we
believe Roman pagan emperor, should believe Marcus Aurelius?
Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean people actually wrote letters, I have documented
his existence.
Speaker 2: Why does it the New Testament? If there's thousands of
New Testament documents, why is that not an argument for
the existence of Christ on the same basis as people
talking about Marcus Aurelius.
Speaker 21: Well, I mean the whole book, the whole Bible was
written by Jews. That and so I mean the fact
that the fact that that's the whole point of wanting
to have contemporaries.
Speaker 1: That's the fallacy.
Speaker 2: So just because the Bible is written by a Jewish author,
what is that to do with whether it's true false?
Speaker 1: That's a genetic Fauls.
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm what I'm trying to
say is like these are like his followers.
Speaker 2: But we don't know anything outside of.
Speaker 13: That.
Speaker 21: So if you that's like saying, like you, So, if
you're walking around with a bunch of boys and you're
teaching them about your your ideology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again you're ignorant. I don't know what you're talking about.
So I can give you Josephus talks about the followers
of Christ.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 2: The Talmud talks about the followers of Christ and rejects
them and says that they are the menim and that
they're cursed.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 2: There's ancient historical attestations outside of the Bible. You don't coming.
Speaker 1: But again, you missed the argument I was making.
Speaker 2: Why should we believe Marcus Aurelius' text prove his existence
but the other texts don't prove jesus consistance?
Speaker 21: Which text are you talking about? It proves that Marcus
ray was at.
Speaker 2: So do you believe Marcus aurelius meditations? Have you read them?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 21: I actually have them book?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you've read it.
Speaker 21: I'm in the process of it.
Speaker 2: I have read it, sure, Okay, So, uh, is that
an accessation to his existence?
Speaker 21: I mean that claim it's his journal or his.
Speaker 1: His Again, it's a double standard.
Speaker 2: So Marcus Aurelius, there's evidence of his writings and existence,
but when we talk about the New Testament, it doesn't
count as Jews wrote it, which is a genetic fallacy.
Speaker 1: It's a double standard, dude.
Speaker 21: I guess thousands of people know that marx race is real.
Speaker 6: And the.
Speaker 2: Thousands of people know it. That's an appeal to the masses.
Another fallacy. You don't you don't think fallacies matter. Just
appealed to Okay, thousands of people believe in Jesus, so
it's true.
Speaker 1: Same argument you just make. All right, this is nonsense, Kaitlin, what's.
Speaker 11: Up, Aja, I'm asking for a little bit of advice here.
I got a buddy that gone to psychedelics pretty heavy
and like the we're all one kind of view, and
I was trying to talk him through it, make him
realize it's kind of stupid to not see any good
or bad. But I don't think my arguments really got through.
What would you say to somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, he's under that delusion. He's probably not going to
be convinced by you arguing out of it. He's probably
just gonna take time and uh, you know, growing up
a little bit and some lived experience, and most people
always but most people kind.
Speaker 1: Of grow out of their DMT pro phase.
Speaker 2: So I would just give it some time and just
love the guy and be his friend, because you're probably
not going to argue him out of his delusion of
thinking that everything is one is some great insight. I
would just point out. One thing you could point out is, well, dude,
if everything is one and everything is also, then you're
coming to believe that everything's one. It's also just a
manifestation of the one, and so it's not actually any revelation.
It's just basically everything's an illusion. So if everything's an illusion,
then the truth that you came to, that you think
you've discovered is actually also an illusion. So it's just
a self refuting kind of silly non cysical thing. And
the other thing too, is like people that do DMT
or hardcore psychedelics or whatever it is, and they come
to this great revelation one man. Yeah, wow, congratulations, you've
discovered the very thing that all the ancient pagan religion's
already said. So you're like five thousand years later, dude,
it's really groundbreaking stuff. I request to speak last chance
to where the cell phone dies out? Probably uh, who's next?
You disagree, you go to the headline. It isn't open debate,
always open debate, so be prepared for that. If you
want a debate, you don't have to debate. You can
ask a questions that you want. Last call for alcohol?
Who's up next? He requests to speak? Job? This has
been fun. These Muslims are classic. Right, I'm gonna you
know what I'm gonna do. If you get another Muslim,
I'm gonna go back to the uh, get them to
restate the argument because that's always a who dude, because
literally no Muslim can actually just restate what you are.
They're so dumb they can't restate the argument. They'd be like,
I don't believe the argument, Yeah, but can you state
what it is? I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Demani, what's up?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: We're almost there.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the party's dream. Keep up? The
good word?
Speaker 1: Is that all? Or you have something else?
Speaker 2: No, that's it? Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: We'll have a fun two thousand describer party stream Apple car.
What's up?
Speaker 25: Oh?
Speaker 12: Not much, not much, not much?
Speaker 27: You know, I was actually attracted Islam and baby seem
are fake?
Speaker 6: What is that?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: The papacytholicism? So they're all fake.
Speaker 27: I mean probably you don't believe, but you cannot say
it's a fake. You can't say I don't believe that's
you have your choice.
Speaker 1: Well, why can't I say it's fake if I can
prove that it's fake.
Speaker 12: No, you cannot prove, man, Okay, So can.
Speaker 2: I give you an argument why it's fake? Yeah, that's
the way you are you Muslim first? Yeah, okay. So
multiple places in the Quran, and it says that the
teaching of the Qur'an and of Muhammad are confirmed and
proven by prior revelation of the Torah. The prior revelation
is also believed by most of you guys to be corrupt.
So it's self refuting to say that your book and
your teaching is confirmed by a corrupt book.
Speaker 12: That's that's not the proof.
Speaker 27: I mean Islam, Islam is a lasting monetism, religions.
Speaker 2: An assertion. So how does that address my objection?
Speaker 27: I mean, yes, you know, it's confirmed this, you know,
and previous you know, Judaism and Christianity was you know, okay, correct, But.
Speaker 2: The previous religions are corrupted. So how does that corrupt
thing confirm your religion?
Speaker 12: I mean the corrupted mean is you know, editing changing language?
Speaker 1: I know what the word RP means. So how can
it confirm the religion?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 12: I mean there are some true there is some you
cannot answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that backs the question. That's the thing in question.
What is the true thing?
Speaker 2: So yeah, we know that you think that it's corrupted,
But how is it going to confirm the religion if
it's corrupted?
Speaker 1: You don't see the problem with that.
Speaker 12: I mean, is it you know, hundred percentage? Oh so
what's the I mean, that's that's percentage?
Speaker 2: I mean, is it thirty percent corrupted? Eighty percent corrupted?
You see how silly this is. How do we know
what's the not corrupted part?
Speaker 12: We know, I don't think Kuran that's not confirmed is corrupted.
Speaker 2: Oh so that's the thing in question. So the Koran
confirms the Koran by stating what's in the Kuran?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a circle. Yeah, that's a circular argument. So
that's why it doesn't work.
Speaker 12: I mean, you know one thing about you know, I mean, yeah,
we don't say.
Speaker 2: The head Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, barthol of you, what's up. Good, Yeah,
to ice to be a Muslim as well.
Speaker 8: But just to add on to what he just said.
Speaker 28: But basically, the kron obviously says in sur Free Versus
fifty fifty three, how the disciples of Jesus were true
photos of Allah, true foos of God. So and it
says that they spread the true message and that their
message became dominant. So if we look at the dominant
message what they wrote, it's literally Christianity. So again just
just just hamma that out.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I want to say that's another great argument
because if that got all up gave them the victory,
and the victory was what they taught that was Christianity,
then christian one.
Speaker 8: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Anthony, Yeah, good points. Anthony, was.
Speaker 29: Between like the Islamic worldview and and that of like
unitarians or those that deny like the Apostolic succession, because
I know you mentioned many times like heresy is rooted
out of a misunderstanding of Christology.
Speaker 2: Or uh yeah, even even his blom comes out of
historianism and arianism.
Speaker 29: Yeah, exactly, a great point. I mean, so I know
you're driving, but I added this clip I saved that
of this world. Leading Muslim apologist Saker Naike basically it's
it's pretty dark. But this Canadian Muslim calls in and
he asks him it's like a hotline. He calls in
and asks him if if I raped the girl and
then murdered her, and I'm not caught by the law,
well a'llah forgive me, And he basically says, yeah, as
long as you repent to a law, he'll forgive you.
What's eerie is that, you know, I know you're on
jailp recently, but the Unitarians and non Orthodox have the same,
you know, same idea that there's no conception of a
you know, a priest have it, or a spiritual father
attaining or emitting any sins. So ultimately it's like there's
really no difference. J LP recently said that if if
you and I hope he was joking about this, but like,
if you kill someone or murder someone and you're not caught,
just don't tell anybody and ask God for forgiveness.
Speaker 8: It's it was it was just insane. I hope he
was joking.
Speaker 2: It's even no, it's even prasier than that, because if
you watch Justine Peterson saying high.
Speaker 14: All the.
Speaker 8: Sorry you could it out on my end? Was that
last part? Oh maybe just me? I can't hear you.
Speaker 6: There's no.
Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, it's not you who commits the sin. It's like,
uh yeah, it's it's weird man. So yeah, I just
want to make that comment and and I added that
video if you want to review. It's it's a guy
that millions of people listen to and Muslims. It's it's
even scarier in Canada. You know, you have Canadians calling
and saying this stuff. Oh yeah, sorry, Jay, I couldn't
hear that last part was cutting out.
Speaker 8: I don't know if it just me or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's.
Speaker 6: H oh.
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe it's just I don't know if it's me
or the signal. I can't hear anything.
Speaker 6: U