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Speaker 1: So man, go ahead. So I don't think any just

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spols for actually.

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Speaker 2: Gonna I'll argue, which is ridiculous because Muslims and Methodists

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today have been popping off.

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Speaker 1: So obviously if they're not going to come.

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Speaker 2: Actually debate, which I didn't think they would, then it's

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open for them. If your quest to speak, I'll bring

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you up. What's on your mind? Nobody, nobody has any

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questions comments. None of the Muslims, none of the Methodists

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would come and debate. What amount of pretty coweries due

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the student speaking out there? O my gosh, I was

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looking forward to this too because we had so many

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people popping off talking smack and none of them will

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actually co make their arguments.

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Speaker 1: Finally here we go.

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Speaker 3: I'mut, So was it you those keeping yapping in my comments?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with all your stup your stupid bad arguments.

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Speaker 3: Stupid bad arguments. What was the bad argument that I said.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're your Koran says that's confirmed by the prior revelation,

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and you said the private revelation is all corrupt, so

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you just owned yourself.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're what was the initial topic.

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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with this argument?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're afraid because I provided you evidence I'm

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afraid of sources nationalism and tribalism, and then not where

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you're allowed to enslave women, allowed to rape women?

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Speaker 1: Say that that never says rape in the text. You're lying.

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It never says that, you want to.

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Speaker 2: Where does it say rape in the text?

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, do around me very well?

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Speaker 2: You sure?

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Speaker 3: All right? So let's read it together.

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Speaker 4: Where does the text a man if I'm reading it

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to you, if a man happens to meet a virgin

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who is not pledged to be married and rape her

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and they are discovered, you shall pay her father fifty

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shekels of silver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, does allow you, idiot?

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Speaker 3: The young woman, he can never get.

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Speaker 2: That's the penalty. That's a penalty. It's not allowing for

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you have to pay the dowry. You have to pay

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the dowry.

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Speaker 4: So if I reap your daughter, would you be satisfied

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I pay you fifty shekels? Be honest.

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Speaker 2: That's not the law. Now that's the law. Then on,

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So you think that's so you think that's corrupt.

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Speaker 3: I feel I believe this is disgusting and it's okay.

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Speaker 2: So your then your koran? So can you can you

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correct your Kuran? Then is confirmed by a corrupt the text? Correct?

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Speaker 5: Wait?

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Speaker 2: I answered your question?

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Speaker 6: Is the okay?

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Speaker 2: Is the Koran confirmed by prior revelation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he confirms the initial confirmation of the target.

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Speaker 2: It confirms the initial confirmation. That's pure gibberish. Does the

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Okay confirmed by a corrupt the text?

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Speaker 4: I don't leaving deed eeronomy, no one, no Muslim does

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what the prior revelation? The prior revelations that engel in

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the Torah?

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Speaker 2: This is the Torah, you idiot? Yeah? I know this,

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but this is correct. Confirm it is confirmed by a

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corrupted text, you idiot? Yeah, the Quran confirmed by a

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corrupt detect You just admitted that's corrupted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is corrupted.

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Speaker 2: Is conferred by a corruption.

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Speaker 3: Been a bust tells us.

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Speaker 2: Is correct, conferred by a corrupted text.

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Speaker 3: It confirms and revelation of the Torah, which is what

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you're reading.

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Speaker 2: Because, idiot, there's a rape in your Bible.

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Speaker 4: Bro, I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: You don't have an argument. You just owned yourself. So

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he just admitted the Torah. He didn't realize he's reading

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the Torah, and the Torah for him is a corrupt

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the text. The Koran is confirmed by corrupt the text.

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This is the stupidity of these people. By the way,

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it doesn't it say you can rape people. It says

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that if there is a rape that was confirmed, you

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have to pay the penalty of a dowry. It's not

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saying you can rape you idiot. All right, here's next.

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Since we had our low iq must song, what's up.

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Speaker 5: Do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 7: Dude, you're gonna sit here with that argument, and you're

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not even gonna listen to the fact that bron also

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says the previous revelations are corrupted.

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Speaker 8: We don't have that today.

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Speaker 2: You don't understand how dumb that is. You don't understand

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how stupid this argument. Yeah, you're a fucking idiot. I'll

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say exactly, no argument, just calling me a fucking idiot

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because you can't actually argue the position because you're too stupid.

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He's low iq hintbred idiots who can't basic propositions.

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Speaker 1: Here, Isaiah, what's up?

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Speaker 2: See you see how these people act. Do you understand

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that it can't be confirmed if the previous thing is corrupted?

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stupid icy. What's up. I'm musical.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not a Muslim, But I always wanted to

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ask you the question for this for years, Like I

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read Jonathan Page's brother's book, The Language of Creation, and

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I just want to understand what the church says about

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taking Genesis as.

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Speaker 2: Literal, what the first says?

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 9: Well, just in his brother's book, Matthew PAGEO, he kind

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of just goes into the symbolism of.

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Speaker 2: He's a schizophrenic guy who's kind of out there on

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Speaker 9: I didn't I didn't know. Well, I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not being me and that's just no.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm glad you told me that. I think

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I thank God you told me that. Plus with Jonathan,

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but Jonathan Pago takes Genesis as as non minerals.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. I disagree with that, but that's that's such

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Speaker 9: So the Orthodox Church doesn't really have anything to say

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Speaker 2: I would argue that it's an inconsistent position because the

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sixth Ecumentical Council says that you cannot say that death

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existed prior to Adam's fault.

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so that means that would extend to like the Christians,

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I believe in evolution.

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Speaker 10: What right.

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Speaker 2: There? But I don't think they're intentionally being heretics. But

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Did you just.

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Speaker 2: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Did you just say that you're allowed to rape as

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long as you pear dowry to.

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Speaker 2: The to the to the father that I say you're allowed?

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Are you that stupid? Did I say that you just

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Speaker 11: I was just.

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Speaker 1: Anybody?

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Speaker 12: The brother provided evidence.

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Speaker 2: I said, it's a penalty under law fare if you

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if you engage in that action, the penalty is you

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have to pay the dowry and you're liable to marry

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the woman. So it's a penalty. It's a legal penal

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sanction against it. It's not saying you can rape.

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Speaker 5: You and what happens to the woman?

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Speaker 12: Does she marry him?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: According to the oh so you marry the the rapists

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if he.

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Speaker 2: If these are the laws of warfare, which which negate

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the possibility of acting in a brutal way. So it's

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a it's actually dissuading you from committing rape.

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Speaker 1: It's not saying you can commit rape, you idiot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a penalty, penalty.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for admitting it's a penalty, a penalty. You's

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admitted it's a penalty, you idiot.

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Speaker 9: Thank you when I was trying penalty.

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Speaker 2: So it's not saying you can do it.

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Speaker 5: Married the reapist is crazy.

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Speaker 2: You just admitted it's a penalty, you dummy. So that

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you're lying about what I said, it proves you're lying

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about what I both so would you about what I said?

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So you're so hold on is does the Koran based

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on the to then? Is it confirmed by the before

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you jump? You can't answer them. You can't answer the dilemma,

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can't you know?

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Speaker 3: But I'm just saying as many pass you that says

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you can read.

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Speaker 2: No, it does idea.

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Speaker 5: The Book of Isaiah says you had the Book of

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Zachar do what you dummy.

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Speaker 2: You just admitted it's a penalty. So it's not saying

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you can't penalty.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense because you marry the reapist.

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Speaker 2: It's a penalty, Yes, it does. So at world, if

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you violated, would you not to bury the if in

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the ancient if not the world, we don't live in

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the intro. I just need to pay you fifty seconds. Dude,

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stop talking. It's a penalty that means you can't do it.

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It's a it's an act. It dissuades you from doing it.

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Do you know a dowry dowry.

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Speaker 3: Flesh and drink his blood.

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Speaker 13: You become stupid.

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Speaker 2: No, you're demonically possessed because you just it's Sunday drink.

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You just admit it that you're a blaspheamer. You just

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admitted that the Koran is confirmed by a corrupt detext

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So you just undid your whole brother. You just said that, you.

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Speaker 6: Dude.

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Speaker 2: If it's a penalty, then you can't do it, you dummy.

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You said it's a penalty, Well, who does she marry you?

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The girl? The girl marries the rapist.

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Speaker 14: That's crazy, bro, I know.

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Speaker 2: You're not crazy. It's the ancient world, dummy, And you

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just admitted that you lied because you said I said

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you could do it. But then you said it's a penalty. Well,

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a penalty is a legal dissuaiter. It's not doing it.

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It's not saying you can do it, you idiot. These

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are the stupidest people on the planet. In the ancient world,

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if you violated a woman, she was no longer able

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to be married off, and thus you had to pay

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a massive amount of money. A dowry is not a

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small amount of money. So this is a pedal that

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dissuades you from doing it in a world that was brutal, okay,

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ancient brutality, and these are mitigating factors in the ancient

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world against the brutality of the pagan world. So again,

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these people are lying and stupid because their own texts

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that they are Every time they say that this is

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all corrupt the texts, they're undoing the Quran because the

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Koran says it's confirmed by the Torah sid So I

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wish one of the Muslims that could actually make the

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argument and follow through. Do you understand how stupid that was?

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You said you could read. Uh No, if it's a penalty,

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it's dissuaded you from doing it. The penalty is not

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a light penalty, it's a severe penalty. A dowry was

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like I forget the exact percentage, but it was like

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multiple years of income, or at least a year's income,

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something like that. So now that's a dissuader. It's not

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saying you can do it, you're idiot. And by the way,

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his whole religion is based on slavery. What's he talking about?

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So it's open for him and the questions you want

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to come up, I'll bring you up.

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Speaker 1: All these calls on the.

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Speaker 2: Get requests to speak, I'll bring you up. We've already

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had two Muslims refute themselves out of.

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Speaker 1: Their own mouths.

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Speaker 2: And you notice that neither of them wants to talk

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talk about morals. Allah is multiple times in the Kuran

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said to be the greatest of deceivers.

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Speaker 1: So wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: If Allah is the greatest of deceivers, then their God

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is actually the devil, and they have no basis for

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this moral posture. If you come up and talk about

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theistic evolution, I'm done. I'm not talking with you about that.

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I'm started talking to you about that.

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Speaker 15: Hey, Jake, can know if in the Quran you could

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basically have as many sex concubines as your right hand possesses,

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isn't that literally in the Koran?

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Speaker 2: I don't know where they I mean, because they then

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they say, nowadays it's four. So I have no idea

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where the different legal thick rulings come from. It's all

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over the place. I mean, they've got you know, Arab

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chieks with countless wives and concubines, but now there's only four.

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So who knows.

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Speaker 15: Because based on what I know is that, yeah, legally

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they could have four wives, but then they could have

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endless byproduct of war sex concubines.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what Deuteronomy is actually trying to mitigate, is

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that tendency. So the laws are mitigating the thing that

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you're talking about. And it's not saying that you can

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rape people. It's saying that you will pay heavy fines

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if you engage in that activity exactly.

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Speaker 15: And from an Islamic perspective, they have a cart blanche

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to do the thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're saying, yeah, they're saying it's morally reprehensible

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when all is the greatest of deceivers and allows them

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to have the Everything they're saying is reprehensible.

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Speaker 15: Good point, it's crazy, man, anyway, That's all I want

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to say, right point.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the mkg uh guys hit requests to speak. You're

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welcome to come up if you disagree, I want one

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of the Musclims to actually, you notice we've never had

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a Muslim attempt to address except for doctor Khalil is

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like the only one, the one with a PhD, actually

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attempt to address the islam As dilemma because every time

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they argue that the Torah has corrupt, they turned around

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and say that the Koran is confirmed by the Torah,

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which is so stupid. Oh you mean it's confirmed by

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the thing that you just says corrupt. And then they'll

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say yes, but not all the Torah. Oh well, then

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what's the How do we know what the correct Tora is?

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But it's what the krun says. It's a good job done.

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That's the thing in question. So Hit requests to speak up.

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Speaker 6: Bring you up.

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Speaker 1: I love the low iq muscles. There are some of

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the funnest people. They By the way, this is good

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because it's gonna be clipped. I hope the clippers have

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fun with this one.

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Speaker 2: And pay attention and show the part where they're dishonest.

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If you guys clip this, whether JDA or dire Central

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or whoever Menesius, whoever clips, because both of those guys

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literally contradict to themselves. He says the Quran is confirmed

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by the Torah, and then he says the Torre's corrupt.

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So and then the other guy says, you literally say

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that you can rape, you're supposed to rape. And then

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he says, yeah, you're saying it's a penalty. Well, if

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it's a penalty, then it's a dissuader, dummy, So who's

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up next?

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Speaker 1: It requests to speak. We don't have to talk about Islam.

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Speaker 2: If you want to defend Protestantism, if those idiot methodists

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are here, if you want to come to Finitane defend

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your stupid taking game methodis sect feel free to come

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make your arguments.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to come. The people just

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love to talk, smack on and then we'll cut debate

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and then when they come to date.

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Speaker 2: They said Thomas Crop ever sit on the hut bay

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and their debating with ad i q and Red.

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Speaker 1: Literally and acting a Muslim trying to have it yep,

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what's up?

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Speaker 2: Yep, church history.

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Speaker 9: But I would consider myself solo script toward because it

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seems like like your side will say we're capful.

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Speaker 1: You're you're not super understood.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I will say that for sure. But but I'm

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just saying that your side seems like they will say

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that they depend on divine revelation in the end, and

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for me, I depend on the Holy Spirit. So I

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just kind of don't see the big distinction there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, how do we know it's given that every

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sect out there claims that are left by the Holy Spirit,

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how would we decide between all the different claims of

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whose web of the Spirit?

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Speaker 9: I don't know, yeah, but that but I feel like

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we're in the same position if you say his divine revelation.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking you, since that exists everybody having different claims

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of being led by the Spirit, what's the public objective

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thing that we could appeal to that would decide between

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all the different groups?

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Speaker 9: You tell me the public objective? Oh, I see, I

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get what you're saying. You're saying, since we can appeal

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to the church.

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Speaker 2: And do you recognize that there are every sect out

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there says their life by the Holy Spirit? Right?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 9: And I think it's a problem too. I understand it's

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a problem. That's why you got all these Mormons in Okay,

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Speaker 1: Be the thing that is the arbiter between all these

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different groups.

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Speaker 9: It would it would have to be a church, it

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really would.

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Speaker 2: So well, good news turns out there's a church that

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has taught the same thing from the first thousand years

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to now. Okay, so I'll give what you said, because

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everybody's gonna say every heretic says they're like by the

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way spirit, all of them. Okay, Well, then we're gonna

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need some objective arbiter.

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Speaker 1: Uh that is some way.

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Speaker 2: Well, it turns out we can go find out what

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the church of the first thousand years taught. By the way, John,

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you missed the muscles that was hilarious to retard Muslims. Thomas,

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what's a I'm sorry.

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Speaker 16: So I'm curious as to the distinction in the Trinity

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when it comes to orthodox versus Protestantism.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean there's a lot of disinctions and the Trinity.

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So what do you mean?

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Speaker 16: I guess then I need to come back with a

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better question.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, it's a fine question. But what exactly I mean?

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Speaker 2: Are you talk about philioquay, the essenceyentri distinction, nature, person,

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eternal generation, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I'm inquiring Orthodoxy and I was raised Protestant. So I'm

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just trying to figure out at least key distinctions that

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would absolutely rule one out over the other.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, the Second Ecumenical Council teaches that the Father

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is the sole fount cause an arca. That means that

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we believe in monarchical s rinitarianism, and that means that

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his unique property of being the fount, the cause, and

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the source cannot be shared by another person like the son,

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because that would be to give away what's called his

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hyposeacic property or is unique identifier. So that right there,

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and this qualifies all Protestantism because all Protestants defaulted to

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believe in the Philioquay because they're Augustinian out of the Reformation.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. All of Protestanism canceled out. Right there.

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Speaker 2: About another one, All Protestanism is canceled out because they

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teach a created grace just like the Roman Catholic Church,

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and the Orthodox teaching is that we participate in the

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uncreated grace through the sacraments.

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Speaker 16: Okay, that's a good place to start, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Most Protestants, by the way, teach Classical Protestants teach a

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form of equalitarian trinitarian relations or equalitarianism in the Trinity,

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which is not the traditional view because that again compromises

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the Father as the soul fount source cause nark and

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that is one percent clear a stay of the Cavadocian teaching,

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and that's the teaching of the Second Ethnical Council. So

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if you all want to be Protestants and reject the

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Second Medical Council, that's up to you.

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Speaker 1: Who's next, and Dialogue ever wants to speak O bring

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you up.

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Speaker 2: Topics are anything to do with Islam, anything to do

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with the papers, anything to do with Protestantism, anything to

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do with evangelicalism.

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Speaker 1: If you have other questions, feel free. I know, Floridian,

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I think you had some.

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Speaker 2: I think she wanted to try to talk about last night,

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but I couldn't get to you or we couldn't get

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a good connection.

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Speaker 1: So Floridian, if you'd like to hop up, feel free.

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Speaker 2: It's also open to any other topics, geopolitics, conspiracy, history, cults, gnosticism,

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black heuber, Israelites, fever roots, Zionism, Messianic Judaism. Any of

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these topics are open fair game today, just sitting request

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to speaking off pop By the way, I just passed

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white sands in Mexico in the middle of nowhere's pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: People bring their snowboards and they slid down the dunes,

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which I did not know.

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Speaker 2: Retro, what's up, man, do those two first Muslims were cold?

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I love that because it only took like literally three minutes.

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That's to contradict each other. What's up retro?

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Speaker 17: Hey, I've been watching videos for a while and I

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just had a question out of curiosity. You've mentioned that

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the papacy doesn't solve the issue of solo scripture, because

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it just moves the problem back a step, because now

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you have to interpret all the writings of popes and whatnot.

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How would that be different from say, the writings of

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the church fathers and the councils and interpreting those.

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Speaker 1: It's not different, That's the point.

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Speaker 2: The point is that everybody's in the same boat, and

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so when a Roman Catholic tries to say that the

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papacy will give you individual certitude about the doctrines, that's

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the point is that it doesn't just moves upon the

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back a step.

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Speaker 1: So the point is that we're all in the same boat.

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Speaker 2: So we're not going to solve it by just saying, well,

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that guy solves it, or this thing solves it. The

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thing that solves it is ultimately, at the end of

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the day going to be the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 1: And everybody actually says that.

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Speaker 2: Even Roman Catholics admit that individual Ruman Catholics are guided

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by the wisdom and the lightment of the Holy Spirit.

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So that's the admission that they have as well. Then

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the question isn't whether the papacy can give you certitude.

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The question is which church is the same structure and

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functionality of the first millennium church?

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Speaker 13: Perfect that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question that one comes up a lot.

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Speaker 2: So appreciate that. It's always worth stating that. Robert Castle subject,

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go ahead, Robert.

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Speaker 1: Ta can you hear me?

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Speaker 18: Yes, sir, Hey, So you said you said you're driving

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through the middle of nowhere in New Mexico, right, I

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had a funny anecdote. I'm actually from the middle of

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nowhere in New Mexico, and I grew up about twenty

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minutes away from Zoro Ranch, and my my buddy in

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cub Scouts when I was a kid, his dad was

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actually the ranch manager. And so I went to a

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Zoro ranch when I was like thirteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, And what was it open to the public?

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What was it at that time? No, it was it

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was definitely not open.

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Speaker 18: That was what was weird about the experience was I mean,

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I didn't know anything about Epstein at the time.

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Speaker 2: I was a kid, you know. But we went out

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there and.

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Speaker 18: It's just like out in the middle of the desert

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in the Galastdale base and just like off of Highway

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forty one, and the entrance had these like giant rocks

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at the front, and you know, it had this like

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super long driveway. But we went there and I just

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like spent the night with my friend, just one night,

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and we pulled up and it was like this fake

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It was like a movie set, like all this new

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construction and the buildings were painted like different primary colors,

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you know. And I remember even being like twelve thirteen

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years old looking around and being like what the.

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Speaker 1: Fuck is like, what is this place?

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Speaker 6: Like like a fake?

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Speaker 18: It's like a fake place. But then it wasn't. Like

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it was like seven years later I found out all

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this stuff about where I actually was. But anyway, that's

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just a funny story. But I just I was wondering

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if you had seen some of the stuff Mark Goodwin

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was talking about with bitcoin, because he's he's interesting in

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that he's recognizing a lot of the connections with you know,

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Epstein and the Peel you know, the bitcoin mafia and

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all that, but or the PayPal mafia rather, but he's

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not blackpailed about it, or at least he seems optimistic

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in a sense.

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Speaker 14: I was curious to what you thought about what he

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had been.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jeffery put money into everything. He was interested

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in email, he was interested in stocks. So does that

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mean that, oh, I can't be involved in email because

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Jeffrey Epstein was involved in it.

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Speaker 1: So email is an Epstein operation. I mean that's retarded.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he doesn't seem to be.

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Speaker 18: He doesn't seem to be saying that that people shouldn't

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be involved.

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Speaker 12: I've and that's.

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Speaker 2: What I don't understand what you mean Blackfield about what

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I mean again, If'ting threw money at everything, it makes

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sense that he would throw money at every emerging tech,

486
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which is what he did, biotech, commute computers, AI, bitcoin, crypto.

487
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So like it's just just such a boat here argument

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that oh he had money in pitpoint. Therefore big Point

489
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is an Epstein operation. Well he doesn't.

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Speaker 18: That's why I was asking if you had seen what

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Mark Goodwin said, because he doesn't seem to I don't

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know who that is.

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Speaker 14: He's a he's a.

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Speaker 18: Former editor of Bitcoin magazine, and he's a he he

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has articles released on Unlimited Hangout, which is Whitney Webb's website.

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Speaker 1: But okay, but Whitney Webb.

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Speaker 2: I now like Whitney Webb generally, but also if you

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watch Bitcoin Mechanics reputation of Whitney Webb, he shows that

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she has no idea about the technology. And so Whitney's

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whole thing is just like, well, BlackRock's buying bitcoin. The

501
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bitcoin's now compromised. But the problem is that you can't

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stop It's like you can't stop people from buying these things.

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It's like saying that I'm not gonna buy gold because

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the roth Child's own gold.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but like that's there's no way around that.

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Speaker 2: Like you can't if it's in the open market, you're

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not gonna be able to stop people from buying things.

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Speaker 1: But just because the roth Child's own gold.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that, Oh well, I guess gold I'm

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gonna hold dollars because the roth Child's own gold. It's just,

511
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it's all this stuff is super just low tier dumb arguments.

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I'm not saying you, but I'm saying the people that

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will say, I mean, I'm not I like bitcoin over gold,

514
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but I'm saying gold is better than Fiat. But imagine saying, well,

515
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I'm not gonna buy Fiat because the roth Child's own Fiat.

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The Queen of England has a bunch of gold. So

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that's evil currency that It's just dumb. It's so stupid, MKG.

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Speaker 1: What's something, hey, Jay?

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Speaker 15: Another thing I was thinking regarding the Muslim very rigid,

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simplest stig myopic view they seem to have, and just

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looking at Islamic history, they seem to have this very

522
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abominable version of symphonia.

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Speaker 8: They don't have this.

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Speaker 15: Crime sin distinction, at least not in the way Christianity does.

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So everything is broad brushed, everything is relative. Things are

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not categorically placed in the way Christianity places, you know,

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civic rights, spiritual rights, so apostasy, for example, like all

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the Muslim clerics would still have to hold that if

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in an Islamic state, a Muslim born person converts to Christianity,

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if the state is Muslim, they should execute that person.

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So and and some people say, oh, but in the

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Christian Empire there were also apostasy you know, death sentences,

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capital punishments, but it was never very It was more

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a wartime strategy. Even in Byzantium it had that civic

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spiritual distinction. The Orthodox Church never would subscribe, or at

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least correct me if I'm wrong, would say that someone

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who apostasizes from Christianity ought to be punished capitally, that

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person should be turned to repentance. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: If that's not true, Well, there's a lot of different

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legislations for different situations. So it more so depends on Like, no,

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if you wanted to leave the Christian faith, one is

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free to do that. You can't let the church says up,

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I mean, you might get excommunicated. More So, what becomes

544
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a civil penalty is when you become a civil disturbance.

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Speaker 1: And so if you begin to, for example.

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Speaker 2: Teach some new heretical sect and people have to understand

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that because because religion was an intimate part of the

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world in the ancient world and in the medieval world.

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It was also thus a revolutionary force if you were

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a sectarian. And so one of the reasons that the

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princes had laws against these kinds of heretical sex is

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that it could create a social revolution, as actually many

553
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of the medieval cults and sex did. For example in France,

554
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that the cathari ended up becoming a political social movement

555
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that took over several areas of France. They held like

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four or five different castles and strongholds. And this is

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why the princes were trying to stamp it out ahead

558
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of time, was because they understood that this could become

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as it could.

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Speaker 1: Undo you know, the different kingdoms.

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Speaker 2: So that's why there are at times legal civil penalties

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for heresy.

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Speaker 1: And I think that makes it actually makes.

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Speaker 15: Perfect exactly and that's a proper use of symphonia.

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Speaker 12: But they don't have that like it's still merger.

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Speaker 2: They don't have those distinctions. They think of it like

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God wants you to die right now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's there.

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Speaker 15: There's no semblance of you know, distinction of crime versus sin.

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You know, a crime is a sin, but a sin

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is not a crime. And I think Joel Webbin made

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a good point of that on one of his podcast episodes.

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But it's just it's really fascinating that from from my

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point vantage point when I see even from the laity

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of the Muslims, that the way they interact with religious

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and the theological issues, it's very much like CNN Fox

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News kind of slogans. What are the slogans, what what

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are the emotional emotionally because.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, because most of them are ad i Q

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people and it's in bred retard to religion literal I mean,

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not being me, and that's just the facts.

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Speaker 1: So what do you expect.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole religion is the mindset of an

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Arab slave owner, master slave. I mean it's like you're

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all a slave, so of course they're going to believe

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that their deity is an Arab slave owner.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's essentially what the deity is.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a perfect religion for low IQ

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desert dwelling people who think that Satan dwells in a

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rock wall that you can throw a rock side. I

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mean it's retarded, dude, they believe that the double farts.

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I mean, like it's just crazy. I mean, beople to

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have this like really deep mystical meaning, it's a retarded religion. Man,

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it's a dumb cult, and cults always have these really

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dumb positions. Fuck who's next?

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Speaker 1: Hoping for him?

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Speaker 2: We'll keep going as long as we have the Internet.

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This is a really fascinating drive. In the middle of

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nowhere in New Mexico. We just saw a big I

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guess it looks like a Catholic shrine. I'm not sure

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what it was. He's not question anything to do with

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Protestanism is Bob church history, papal city, evangelical holds heber

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is or lights heber roots, sam.

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Speaker 1: H go to Sam and then to Nico.

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Speaker 13: Difficult, okay. A guy a few minutes ago asked about uh, yeah, can.

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Speaker 1: You one at a time? Samuel de Nico?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 19: A guy a few minutes ago asked about the difference

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between Trinitarian or Protestant trinitarianism versus Orthodox trinitarianism, and you

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said they have like a kind of an equality type

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of I don't know if that's who gets described the

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kind of co equal, co eternal type. I guess like

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shorthand of it, versus you said, orthodoxis menorah like.

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Speaker 1: King, monarchic goal pnitarianism.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 19: So how how does how does how do those differ specifically?

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And how does that avoid any issue of like one

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being like subservient of the other and the Godhead.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go and tell you to go watch

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all the lectures and interviews that we don't talk to

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boat Brins depth and I'm not going to repeat twenty

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hours of podcasting lectures right here, Nico.

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Speaker 6: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Hey, Jay? I wanted to ask something. You know in Islam?

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Speaker 6: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: So, in Islam they promised to believers that once you

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go to heaven, if you make it to heaven, your

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promise for example, for men, your promise you know like

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con combines and women and eternal you know, like it's

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like headonistic part dice.

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Speaker 1: The humans. They're like savage defeat tal giant women.

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Speaker 2: It's weird.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So how can a person be moral if if

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your highest point in life is to make it to

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a hedonistic heaven, how can you be moral and you know,

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like being.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're just yeah, I get it right, but

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they're just gonna say moral is whatever all our worlds

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and which I really think it's system.

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Speaker 1: But olepos what's up, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Jay, I wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 20: In Greek, the word for heaven is and paradise. Is

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there a difference between those two. Is Paradise like a

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state and heaven is like a sort of a place?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think in Orthodox theology, Paradise is Eden.

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That's where Adam and e where it's where Enoch and

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Elijah were translated or translated to. And so it's different

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than having proper, which is the third heavens, which is

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God's thrown So there's.

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Speaker 1: A distinction there.

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Speaker 20: Okay, perfect, thank you?

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's see who's next.

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Speaker 21: M It's me, Can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: So I have a question because the bishop in Poland

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I can make you make a statement that we should

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go to synagogue and no in the anniversary of the Pope.

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Speaker 2: JP two going there.

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Speaker 10: So questions should we go and pray in synagog?

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Speaker 2: Oh? The ancient canon for vision bring and senagogue sending

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Worthodox speciallymen all inside to go to the synagogue. Yeah,

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to visit.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's sad, that's terrible. No, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Robert, what's up, Roberto? Hello?

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Speaker 22: Hello, I just wanted to follow up on what the

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previous Carla was asking about Heaven and Eden, just contrasting,

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what what's the Orthodox theological view of Abraham's Bosom when

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compared to Eden?

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Speaker 13: Because I'm Roman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Abraham's Bosom was a place in eighties, so it's

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where the righteous the Old Testament resided prior prior to Christ. Harrowing.

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Speaker 13: So with that is is that way infants went historically

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before Christ? In the Orthodox view?

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Speaker 1: Possibly there is some speculation, but I don't know that

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we have a heart, okay, like we know for sure

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position okay.

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Speaker 22: And then so for us, I was trying to read

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more about the original sin versus ancestral sin distinction in

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the Orthodox versus the Catholic view. So why is it

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in the Orthodox view that people went to Abraham's bosom

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because people didn't triumph over because Christ hadn't triumphed over

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death yet in the Orthodox view, is that is that.

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Speaker 2: Why people went to Abraham's Bosom?

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Speaker 13: Yes, yeah, right, okay?

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Speaker 22: So for us Enoch and Lies, we don't have a

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position whether they went to Eden or Heaven or to

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Abraham's Bosom. What sweat does that come from? In the

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Orthodox view? Where can I read about that? That Enoch

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and Lies went to Eden.

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Speaker 2: Because they haven't died yet, so they were translated to Paradise,

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and they have not died yet. They wouldn't be in Heaven,

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they would be in Paradise. So then and that's why

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we would say that, like in the Book of Revelation,

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and it appears that they do come back to be martyr.

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Speaker 22: And then how does that figure with Moses, Like how

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does that work with Moses and Elias coming back at

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the trans and Elias coming back at the transfiguration. So

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does Moses get taken from Abraham's Bosom and then Elias

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from Eden for the transfigurations?

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Speaker 1: Possibly? Possibly?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well hold on, so because here he's I'm

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took about the Book of Revelation where.

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Speaker 1: It's it's isn't a nich and Elijah?

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Speaker 13: So yeah, you're right about Revelation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And that's because that's because there are

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the only two people who didn't undergo death, but Moses

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did undergo death, and so Moses will be resurrected like

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everybody else in the resurrection.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, because it always was sort of interesting because in

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the Transfiguration in the Gospels, Moses is there, but I

713
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was trying to figure out where he's actually where God's

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bringing him from.

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Speaker 13: In the Gospel.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that most is right. So they're

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in Hades, in the in the in the realm of

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the righteous, right.

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Speaker 13: In Yeah, okay, sorry, you're cutting it, thank you?

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Speaker 22: Yes, So if anything else so then Abraham, yes, sorry,

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and then Abraham's bosom for the Orthodox is empty at

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the moment. I think it's the same for Catholics as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're supposed to believe in the uh, you know,

724
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descent into Hades, although in Roman Catholic theology, in my estimation,

725
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it's really unclear what the point of that is or

726
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in other words, it doesn't have much significance in Catholic theology,

727
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like it doesn't Orthomoz. Why is that?

728
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Speaker 13: Why Why do you say, because I've heard about.

729
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Speaker 2: Because Eastern theology, Because Eastern theology stressed and emphasized the

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cosmic scope of christ redemption, and after Saint Maximus and

731
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the fact that all of reality is going to be transfigured,

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and after the Middle Ages in the Latin West, after

733
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a quietness and Anselm and Augustine, Latin theology does not

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hold to any significance for the universe for Christ assuming

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universal human nature?

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Speaker 13: Okay?

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Speaker 22: And is there anywhere I can read about that that comparison?

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I don't want to waste your time. When can I

739
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read about that? That comparison?

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Speaker 1: I wrote an essay?

741
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Speaker 2: I wrote an I wrote an essay on that, but

742
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you could read just the Cosmic h Cosmic Mystery of

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Jesus Christ by Saint Maximus.

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Speaker 13: Okay, thank you very much.

745
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Yeah, those great questions. I appreciate, though,

746
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haven't they haven't delft into that topic in a long time.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: So, I'm in the I didn't realize it's mountainous up

749
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,000
here in northern New Mexico, so it's actually a totally

750
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different climate than where I was. So I don't know

751
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how long the self connection will last here, but feel

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we'll try to continue as long as we can.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to John, what's up John.

754
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Speaker 2: In the chat, Shout out to slow Boys, Shout out

755
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,920
to Jay Dyer Archive, Shout out to Nevsky, all our

756
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:13,679
buddies in the chat. Props to all of you guys

757
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that are churning out the clips. Really appreciate that the

758
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,599
request to speak. I'll bring you up while we still

759
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:22,360
have a little bit of a signal. I doubt it

760
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:29,159
will last much longer. I just passed Alan Migordo and

761
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White Sands Air Force Base, so I did get in

762
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k ultra reprogrammed by the aliens at Roswell's.

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Speaker 1: We were only about an hour from Roswell and so

764
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they have programmed me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a chosen Pleadian and the Blue Avians are the

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real good Aliens and the chicken headed Aliens with the

767
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:51,480
bad guys.

768
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Speaker 1: What's up aiden.

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Speaker 2: Question?

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Speaker 14: Do it like Old Testament relations? I guess in a way.

771
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So this is like a Protestant hypothetical question. Like they

772
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have their invisible Church doctrine stuff. For example, they can

773
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make what if they made an argument of in the

774
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Old Testament, like non descendants of Abraham being faithful and

775
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trying to use that to justify the invisible Church doctrine?

776
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How would you attack that argument? I'm confused.

777
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Speaker 1: How is this at all? What is this supposed to prove?

778
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Speaker 17: It?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, what was the thinking about hypothetical of a Protestant

781
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trying to justify the invisible Church based off of in

782
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the Old Testament?

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Speaker 1: There being okay? But Hebrews eleventh.

784
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Speaker 2: Hebrews eleven says they're part of the same mystical body

785
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as we are, So would I would actually prove our

786
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position not the invisible Church. But I mean, in other words,

787
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the Church has always been visible. And just because the

788
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Church of the Old Testament, and by the way, it's

789
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called the Ecclesia of the Old Testament, Book of Hebrews,

790
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the Church and the Wilderness, just because it had uh,

791
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gentile converts. I mean, Abraham was a gentle convert, so

792
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it's always been gentle converts. Yeah, just because it allowed that.

793
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,079
I mean, how would that prove invisible church? That has

794
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:23,039
nothing to do with invisible church, because it's still uh,

795
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,840
a visible society of people with true and uh and

796
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false believers within it.

797
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Speaker 14: Just like it is said, all right, thank you, Jay,

798
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,199
I appreciate it. I'm I'm just used to very low

799
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:40,199
tier arguments of like people right and like Satanic warshippers. Yeah,

800
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:40,960
appreciate it.

801
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think I think I get where

802
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,599
you're where they're going with that, But actually it undermines

803
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,320
the argument because Yeah, that's why I think even in

804
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:50,840
the Old.

805
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:54,039
Speaker 1: Testament, it's still a single visible society. Yeah, it's not

806
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:57,480
a thousand different there's not a thousand off Israels.

807
00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, I was thinking off the original basis of Job.

808
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But Job was a descendant from I can't I'm horrible pronouncing,

809
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but he was.

810
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Speaker 2: Yeah. But even so, like in in Accodus, it says

811
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that many of the Egyptians had converted and left with

812
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:21,920
the Israelites. So those are all uh Israelites as well.

813
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,159
They're converts. So the Old Testament religion did accept converts.

814
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But that how would that prove an invisible church?

815
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Speaker 14: I guess what the what they would typically say is, oh,

816
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this is an example of you don't have to be

817
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,639
part of the visible body or something like that.

818
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: You don't have to but they were part of the

819
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,360
they were part of it. They were though, but they were.

820
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Speaker 14: So I'm just thinking of what loutsier type of response.

821
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Speaker 2: It says that they left Egypt with the Israelites, so

822
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they were part of it there.

823
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Speaker 14: Thank you, Jay, I appreciate it.

824
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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I'm trying to think of other

825
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,159
I mean Joe, but there's some scholars debate whether Joe's

826
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actually a Jewish guy or a gentile guy. I mean again,

827
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either way, it doesn't really matter. Because Paul argues that

828
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it was always the case that the only people who

829
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:13,360
are true Israelites are the ones who love God from

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their heart. And that's whether you're Noah or Adam or

831
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,920
Abraham or Moses or anybody today. That's the only people

832
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,880
who have ever been true Israelites. That's Paul's whole entire argumentation.

833
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:35,639
I guess.

834
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to.

835
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Old Testament was a visible society of

836
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,360
a mixed multitude of believers and unbelievers, and so that

837
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,360
would actually again undermine an attempt at an invisible church doctrine,

838
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,119
because the all invisible church doctrine came about because the

839
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,920
protests are formed how to figure out, well, how can

840
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,920
we have true believers amongst divided different sects in group,

841
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,920
And that's where you get in a visible church.

842
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: So really undercuts it if they try to go to

843
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:18,360
the Old Testament sage. What's up, dude, I'm your.

844
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:21,639
Speaker 6: Good question.

845
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 10: What is your opinion on the genesis?

846
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 6: Gap to here?

847
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: Real quick?

848
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I tend to believe in a young Earth.

849
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:34,039
So what do you mean do you talk at the

850
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,320
day age theory? Are you talking about the genealogy.

851
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 4: The genealogy or in general, what is Eastern Orthodox view

852
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:42,719
of the genesis gap.

853
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: Well, I mean a lot of modern Orthodox believe in

854
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,800
a theistic evolution. I don't, and the Byzantine calendar supports

855
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,760
my view. So the traditional Orthodoxy all whatever, All right, cool,

856
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,800
thank you for some Yes, it's funny to you. Jim

857
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,519
Bob's doing really good debating all these evolutionists because he's

858
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:08,320
figured out like the key leaps and bounds and non

859
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,039
sequitors that all the evolutions once make, and he's getting

860
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:13,400
really good at just asking them all these basic questions

861
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,880
that they can't make sense of because they don't even

862
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,239
realize that they have this like mystical, magical worldview that

863
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,519
they think is rational and scientific. And it's like, okay, fine, maybe, okay, fine,

864
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:28,480
maybe you've got you know, maybe you've got the goods.

865
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:31,719
If you do, then you should be able to ask

866
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,000
and answer some of these basic questions about the magical, mystical,

867
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,679
quantum foam elements of evolution, and they never can.

868
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,679
Speaker 1: They just melt down and lose their minds. And to me,

869
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,039
it's like, like, how these people are so dogmatic and

870
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,519
so certain? Why are they have such a hard thought

871
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,679
answering like basic questions.

872
00:55:53,480 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go Muslims again. What's up, dude? I'm h.

873
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 6: Go ahead.

874
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: Are you gonna say something? Muslim?

875
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:15,199
Speaker 6: Dude?

876
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:18,679
Speaker 2: What's up? H?

877
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: Are you gonna talk or not?

878
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: Dude on you? That's true, That's true.

879
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 16: Jim Bob's been killing it with these evolution guys.

880
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 2: Are you Muslim or Orthodox?

881
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 16: I'm Orthodox?

882
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,519
Speaker 1: I am I'm not a Muslim, but I thought you're Muslim.

883
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: I could I could barely no that.

884
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, congratulations on your on your generational run.

885
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 16: You've been killing it.

886
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:53,159
Speaker 1: Thanks dude.

887
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:56,039
Speaker 16: Yeah, this Apollo guy real quick?

888
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 21: Oh yeah, I am sorry about that.

889
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 16: Yeah, I I met I Muslim, i' Muslim? What is

890
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,320
what is going on? I'm marrying myself twice?

891
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't know?

892
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: Uh, Apollo the guy that interview You've had a gelical

893
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:21,880
guy that interviewed it here are you talking about? I

894
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,119
think he had a bad actually dropped off.

895
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:27,039
Speaker 1: I don't know what ch Apollo guy he's talking about?

896
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:28,559
What's up?

897
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:42,719
Speaker 6: Man? Uh?

898
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: Sage? If you can connect?

899
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: It's weird. We're up here in the middle of nowhere

900
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,000
and I have like full bars, which I did not

901
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:59,880
expect up here or there? Sage? Are you there?

902
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:00,559
Speaker 1: Can you connect?

903
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 6: All right?

904
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: It's open for him. We're gonna go to some people

905
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,679
that we haven't gone to yet. If you've not come up,

906
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,400
you have a question and challenge and comment and debate.

907
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:17,360
You disagree, you go to the headline for debating Protestanism, Islam, Papism,

908
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:25,159
church history and cults, sex, narcissism, libertarianism, feminism, Zionism, keeper roots,

909
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:30,400
black heeper, Israel lies. Anybody who has any question related

910
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,840
you can stop that. You're welcome to come up. You

911
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,119
don't have to day, You're welcome to if you want to.

912
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:39,880
Who is next?

913
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:41,559
Speaker 6: Come on?

914
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: Now we're going and tell my internet cell service runs

915
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:44,760
out here.

916
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,519
Speaker 2: Hit request to speak. You go to the head of

917
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:55,559
the line. Come on, now, I know somebody's got something that.

918
00:58:58,039 --> 00:58:58,559
Speaker 6: We got a.

919
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: Or sixty people. Aiden, what's up? Aiden, I'm mute, And

920
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,800
then we go to Alexander. Go ahead. Uh.

921
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,079
Speaker 9: Yeah.

922
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:16,639
Speaker 23: So I was having a discussion with one of my

923
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,880
friends and we got into the topic of like church

924
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,960
structure and like how the church like formed in like

925
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,360
over time, and so we kind of pretty much the

926
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:32,760
conversation came boiling down to at like nice one. He

927
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,079
was like contending that the church fundamentally like changed in structure,

928
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,880
and so I was like wondering, like, uh, how do

929
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,440
you or like what books would you recommend to.

930
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,599
Speaker 8: Like read up on that, and like how would it happen?

931
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,599
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, so go.

932
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,199
Speaker 2: Find Perry Robinson's talk on YouTube on Apostolic succession and

933
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,840
he shows that the New Testament is SOLF teaches absolute succession.

934
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,840
To look at the way Paul speaks to Timothy in

935
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,400
the Letters to Timothy. He says, I laid hands on you, Timothy.

936
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:05,000
I appointed you at Ephesus. No one else is appointed.

937
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And you also after after you yourself lay hands on

938
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:11,639
good men, because the Holy Spirit is transferred in the

939
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:12,519
laying out of hands.

940
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:13,679
Speaker 10: And uh.

941
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Speaker 2: The Apistolic fathers also teach the exact same doctrine of

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epistolic succession. Also, Alex Soren did a recent two hour

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live stream on episodic succession as well. So I would

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say those are some of the best resources right there, Alexander,

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what's up, dude, I'm mean Alexander.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll go to Jacob.

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Speaker 24: Hi are you good at can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 6: I can hear you?

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Speaker 24: Go ahead, all right, yeah, speaking from sure, it's Steve

951
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:02,599
been a very young just cat my crystal the space

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inside to journey. Like your topic in discuss religion is

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quite I guess most of the topic I've been talked

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about around the Santas, the major religion on the likes

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and religions.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to understand you what's your question?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 24: Different from this.

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Speaker 2: Well hello, Okay, I.

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Speaker 1: Can't understand what you're saying. Man, I'm sorry, Jacob, what's

961
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:45,960
up Jacob on you?

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Speaker 2: Then we'll go to through.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah, what's a dog?

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Speaker 2: So sorry if you get this question a lot.

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Speaker 7: But I'm a Baptist who's looking into Orthodoxy and when

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the Bible talks about us being adopted is sons of God.

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And like you know, the Holy Spirit being a seal

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that sounds like very like permanent language that like you

969
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can't lose. So like, how does U Orthodox? Like how

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do Eastern?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the very the very language that you

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used in Hebrew six says if you taste of the

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heavenly gifts and partakers of the Holy Spirit, if you

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if you turn away, there's no salvation for you. So

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the very language and sacramental graces that you mentioned are

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mentioned in Hebrews six.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I say that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's a great question. I mean, yeah, you know,

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he who perseveres to the end will be saved. Jacob,

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what's up?

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Speaker 1: I mean, even Jacob Jacob, I'm you.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead. Uh sorry I lost her there for a second, Tariq,

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I'm you sorry, I'm mute.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I just wanted to say, from everything so far,

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like from what I've heard from you guys, it looks

987
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like the Americans are quite held bent upon trying to

988
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prove Islam wrong and something fake was Yeah, yeahs with America.

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Speaker 1: It has to do with Orthodox Christianity.

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Speaker 25: Well, I take that you've got an American accent, so

991
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,519
I take you have some sort of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But what does that have to do with the arguments

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01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:44,960
against a loan that we made.

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Speaker 25: No, because obviously the tightest subject here is Protestant is

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an Islam impact No, no, no, I'm just presuming on

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that part, you know, just instead of actually actually just

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you know, taking on board that you know, you've got

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a BIB, you've got a Bible out the basically regardless

999
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:19,400
of which one it's an edited book. You've got things

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which are wrong, and what's come to actually clarify what

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is wrong.

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Speaker 2: How does the Quran? How does the Quran say that

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prior revelation confirms the Quran? If the prior revelation is corrupted.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I'll explain this to you. So basically, in the Quran,

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it's actually verifies that even though that the the Jews

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and the Romans put Jesus on the cross, but they

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01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,639
did not crucify him, but it was made to appear

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as such. So before this, what the us.

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Speaker 2: Now we know you're so basically before this, I'm putting

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the answer of the objection.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, so sins, Sorry, you're breaking up like babies. Hear

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01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:24,079
what you're saying?

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 2: H on the prior Christians corrupted?

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01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 25: Yeah, just say that once again, because I never heard

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what you said completely.

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Speaker 2: The Quran says in multiple verses that prior revelation and

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the Torah confirmed the teaching of the Qur'an. How is

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01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:50,159
that the case if the prior revelation is corrupted?

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01:06:54,039 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 25: Because what that what the same Quran actually teaches that

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it's not it's not corrupted like complete corruption, But.

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Speaker 2: How did it confirm it if it's corrupted? So if

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it's half corrupted, how can it confirm it? How do

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01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:09,840
we know what's corrupted not corrupt?

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01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:20,679
Speaker 25: Well, how it confirms it? Because whatever it says, he

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here met.

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 9: In my mouth?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, is it half corrupted? How could it confirm it

1028
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:28,360
if it's corrupted?

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01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 25: Yeah, it confirms that. It confirms with information.

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01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:42,639
Speaker 2: Your book is confirmed by a corrupted text.

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01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 25: The books not confirming.

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Speaker 12: No no no no no no no no no no

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01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,559
no no no no no no no no no no

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no no no no no no no no no no.

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Speaker 25: Your your point works in my mouth? Now, Okay.

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Speaker 2: It says that multiple tizes as the Torah confirms the

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Torah and the prophets, the teaching of Moses confirmed.

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Speaker 1: What is then the Quran?

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01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: And then you guys are so stupid that you sit

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01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:14,360
here for hours arguing that it's all corrupted.

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01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so then it doesn't confirm the Koran. Idiot Jacob,

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01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:25,359
what's up? Yep? Okay?

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01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 26: The god of Judaism and the I guess the attributes

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from the cabalistic tree of life?

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 14: Yes?

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01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,239
Speaker 26: So I wanted to know if like other Hebrew cults,

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like that guy you debated, Captain uh, I can't even

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think of his name.

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Speaker 1: He's a Hebrew is a light gay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Like would his God also be the same thing, like.

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Speaker 26: You would have a cabalistic tree of life attributes and stuff.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think he knows anything about Kabala. He's

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,800
just a Unitarian, so I don't I don't know where

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01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:04,239
he derives his I mean, that's just a super low

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01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,800
IQ cult. I don't think they think. They don't even

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think it out that far.

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Speaker 13: Are you there?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll try as long as we can. But the

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cell service as.

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Speaker 2: It might be done now as soon, so if you

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have any last objections, questions, comments, this is probably the

1064
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last chance to get it in today.

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Speaker 1: We're in the mountains here, so I cut out.

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Speaker 6: That's a no.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Hebrew Israelites have any really developed theology.

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Is just kind of each individual Black Hebrew is a

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01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,039
like cult leader makes it up as he goes. So

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who's next?

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Speaker 1: Supercoasters KI can bring you up MKG.

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Speaker 15: Is it not a question? Well, not exactly, but I

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01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:08,760
just want to know if you ever get the time

1074
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,560
to just check the DM I sent you if it

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01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,680
has any merit. I know it's it's a it might be.

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Speaker 2: I'll check it out. Appreciate that acacious. What's up?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it's going on, brother, I just kind of joined in,

1078
01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:28,720
so I was just trying to get some understanding. So basically,

1079
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:34,680
you're saying that the Abrahamer religions are fake? And yeah,

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is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 2: There is no common Abrahamic religion. There's only Orthodox Christianity.

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That's the only one. Islam and Judaism or not Abrahamic religions.

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01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 21: Okay, I've always interested in that ways, I guess I'm

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dismiss understood.

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01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 9: So are you?

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01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,079
Speaker 21: So you're saying you're an Orthodox Christian?

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01:10:57,359 --> 01:11:02,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I got So what what is your take?

1088
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:03,239
Did you want to discuss that?

1089
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,399
Speaker 21: So, what are the contemporaries of the time of Jesus

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being alive to prove that he was real?

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01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 6: Well?

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01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,279
Speaker 1: Why is that the way that we proved something? That's

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the case.

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01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: I mean, there's all kinds of things in history that

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don't have contemporary writers like Plato.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was Plato fake.

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01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 2: Too, I don't.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I know who Plato is, but I'm pretty

1100
01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:40,399
sure Socrates or somebody I think it is Socrates.

1101
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has writings to him or well, Socrates

1102
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,159
didn't write anything, so you don't know what you're talking

1103
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:49,880
about the earliest manuscript of Plato's eleven eleven hundred eighty.

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01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:58,039
Speaker 21: Okay, well, I mean so, for example, like the Roman Empire,

1105
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:03,039
they documented a lot of things. They documented basically every

1106
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:06,319
time their soldier steps outside the gate, or new inventions

1107
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,520
or what's going on in politics, and they never the

1108
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,680
Romans or even the Library of Alexandria, no scholar, no

1109
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:17,520
writers ever wrote about this miraculous jew walking on water

1110
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,680
people bringing them back from the dead. They would do that.

1111
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:23,960
I mean, who wouldn't do that?

1112
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:24,239
Speaker 1: Right?

1113
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,079
Speaker 2: Well, no, if they believed it was old Jewish superstition,

1114
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:28,800
why would they they didn't believe it, why would they

1115
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:39,279
write about it. By the way, this as an argument

1116
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:41,079
from silence anyway, what is it supposed to prove.

1117
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,319
Speaker 21: I'm just asking you questions. I'm not trying to get

1118
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:46,319
an argument or fight.

1119
01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're making arguments.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that that is an argument that Jesus

1121
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,600
we don't know that he existed, because you understand that

1122
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:58,760
there's way more attestation to the New Testament than there

1123
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,239
is to Plato. So I'm on better grounds believing in

1124
01:13:02,279 --> 01:13:05,039
the New Testament. There's over five thousand manuscripts from the

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01:13:05,079 --> 01:13:08,079
first three centuries that attest to the existence of Christ,

1126
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,039
the veracity of the New Testament, And you're on much

1127
01:13:11,079 --> 01:13:12,439
shake to your grounds with anything else.

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Speaker 1: You don't even know that Socrates didn't write anything.

1129
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1130
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Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm not a historian of that era at all.

1131
01:13:21,319 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 2: I just.

1132
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,079
Speaker 21: One to hear your take on it.

1133
01:13:25,119 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: Well, why why would why should we believe? Should we

1134
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,960
believe Roman pagan emperor, should believe Marcus Aurelius?

1135
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,279
Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean people actually wrote letters, I have documented

1136
01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:38,079
his existence.

1137
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:42,399
Speaker 2: Why does it the New Testament? If there's thousands of

1138
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,000
New Testament documents, why is that not an argument for

1139
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,439
the existence of Christ on the same basis as people

1140
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:49,800
talking about Marcus Aurelius.

1141
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,079
Speaker 21: Well, I mean the whole book, the whole Bible was

1142
01:13:53,119 --> 01:13:56,640
written by Jews. That and so I mean the fact

1143
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:03,319
that the fact that that's the whole point of wanting

1144
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:05,159
to have contemporaries.

1145
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: That's the fallacy.

1146
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,399
Speaker 2: So just because the Bible is written by a Jewish author,

1147
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,239
what is that to do with whether it's true false?

1148
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: That's a genetic Fauls.

1149
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm what I'm trying to

1150
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,840
say is like these are like his followers.

1151
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 2: But we don't know anything outside of.

1152
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 13: That.

1153
01:14:22,119 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 21: So if you that's like saying, like you, So, if

1154
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,319
you're walking around with a bunch of boys and you're

1155
01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:30,159
teaching them about your your ideology.

1156
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, again you're ignorant. I don't know what you're talking about.

1157
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,079
So I can give you Josephus talks about the followers

1158
01:14:34,119 --> 01:14:34,520
of Christ.

1159
01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:35,359
Speaker 14: Uh.

1160
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,039
Speaker 2: The Talmud talks about the followers of Christ and rejects

1161
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:39,800
them and says that they are the menim and that

1162
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:40,399
they're cursed.

1163
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,159
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1164
01:14:41,279 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 2: There's ancient historical attestations outside of the Bible. You don't coming.

1165
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,399
Speaker 1: But again, you missed the argument I was making.

1166
01:14:53,119 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 2: Why should we believe Marcus Aurelius' text prove his existence

1167
01:14:58,079 --> 01:15:00,720
but the other texts don't prove jesus consistance?

1168
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,359
Speaker 21: Which text are you talking about? It proves that Marcus

1169
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,399
ray was at.

1170
01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:13,319
Speaker 2: So do you believe Marcus aurelius meditations? Have you read them?

1171
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

1172
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:16,359
Speaker 21: I actually have them book?

1173
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you've read it.

1174
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,159
Speaker 21: I'm in the process of it.

1175
01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:24,520
Speaker 2: I have read it, sure, Okay, So, uh, is that

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an accessation to his existence?

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Speaker 21: I mean that claim it's his journal or his.

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Speaker 1: His Again, it's a double standard.

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Speaker 2: So Marcus Aurelius, there's evidence of his writings and existence,

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but when we talk about the New Testament, it doesn't

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count as Jews wrote it, which is a genetic fallacy.

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Speaker 1: It's a double standard, dude.

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Speaker 21: I guess thousands of people know that marx race is real.

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Speaker 6: And the.

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Speaker 2: Thousands of people know it. That's an appeal to the masses.

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Another fallacy. You don't you don't think fallacies matter. Just

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appealed to Okay, thousands of people believe in Jesus, so

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it's true.

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Speaker 1: Same argument you just make. All right, this is nonsense, Kaitlin, what's.

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Speaker 11: Up, Aja, I'm asking for a little bit of advice here.

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I got a buddy that gone to psychedelics pretty heavy

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and like the we're all one kind of view, and

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I was trying to talk him through it, make him

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realize it's kind of stupid to not see any good

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or bad. But I don't think my arguments really got through.

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What would you say to somebody.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's under that delusion. He's probably not going to

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be convinced by you arguing out of it. He's probably

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just gonna take time and uh, you know, growing up

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a little bit and some lived experience, and most people

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always but most people kind.

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Speaker 1: Of grow out of their DMT pro phase.

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Speaker 2: So I would just give it some time and just

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love the guy and be his friend, because you're probably

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not going to argue him out of his delusion of

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thinking that everything is one is some great insight. I

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would just point out. One thing you could point out is, well, dude,

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if everything is one and everything is also, then you're

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coming to believe that everything's one. It's also just a

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manifestation of the one, and so it's not actually any revelation.

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It's just basically everything's an illusion. So if everything's an illusion,

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then the truth that you came to, that you think

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you've discovered is actually also an illusion. So it's just

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a self refuting kind of silly non cysical thing. And

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the other thing too, is like people that do DMT

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or hardcore psychedelics or whatever it is, and they come

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to this great revelation one man. Yeah, wow, congratulations, you've

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discovered the very thing that all the ancient pagan religion's

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already said. So you're like five thousand years later, dude,

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it's really groundbreaking stuff. I request to speak last chance

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to where the cell phone dies out? Probably uh, who's next?

1222
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You disagree, you go to the headline. It isn't open debate,

1223
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:13,479
always open debate, so be prepared for that. If you

1224
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,119
want a debate, you don't have to debate. You can

1225
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:19,239
ask a questions that you want. Last call for alcohol?

1226
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Who's up next? He requests to speak? Job? This has

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been fun. These Muslims are classic. Right, I'm gonna you

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know what I'm gonna do. If you get another Muslim,

1229
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,479
I'm gonna go back to the uh, get them to

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restate the argument because that's always a who dude, because

1231
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literally no Muslim can actually just restate what you are.

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They're so dumb they can't restate the argument. They'd be like,

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I don't believe the argument, Yeah, but can you state

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what it is? I don't believe it.

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Speaker 1: Demani, what's up?

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 2: Thank you?

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01:18:58,079 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: We're almost there.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the party's dream. Keep up? The

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01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:04,439
good word?

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Speaker 1: Is that all? Or you have something else?

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01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: No, that's it? Yeah, I appreciate that.

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01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:20,359
Speaker 1: We'll have a fun two thousand describer party stream Apple car.

1243
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:20,840
What's up?

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01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:22,079
Speaker 25: Oh?

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Speaker 12: Not much, not much, not much?

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01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 27: You know, I was actually attracted Islam and baby seem

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are fake?

1248
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 6: What is that?

1249
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,199
Speaker 2: What is it?

1250
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:36,359
Speaker 1: The papacytholicism? So they're all fake.

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Speaker 27: I mean probably you don't believe, but you cannot say

1252
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,720
it's a fake. You can't say I don't believe that's

1253
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you have your choice.

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Speaker 1: Well, why can't I say it's fake if I can

1255
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prove that it's fake.

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Speaker 12: No, you cannot prove, man, Okay, So can.

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Speaker 2: I give you an argument why it's fake? Yeah, that's

1258
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the way you are you Muslim first? Yeah, okay. So

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multiple places in the Quran, and it says that the

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teaching of the Qur'an and of Muhammad are confirmed and

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proven by prior revelation of the Torah. The prior revelation

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is also believed by most of you guys to be corrupt.

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So it's self refuting to say that your book and

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your teaching is confirmed by a corrupt book.

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Speaker 12: That's that's not the proof.

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Speaker 27: I mean Islam, Islam is a lasting monetism, religions.

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Speaker 2: An assertion. So how does that address my objection?

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Speaker 27: I mean, yes, you know, it's confirmed this, you know,

1269
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and previous you know, Judaism and Christianity was you know, okay, correct, But.

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Speaker 2: The previous religions are corrupted. So how does that corrupt

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thing confirm your religion?

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Speaker 12: I mean the corrupted mean is you know, editing changing language?

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Speaker 1: I know what the word RP means. So how can

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it confirm the religion?

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01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:51,359
Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 12: I mean there are some true there is some you

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cannot answer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that backs the question. That's the thing in question.

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What is the true thing?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we know that you think that it's corrupted,

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But how is it going to confirm the religion if

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it's corrupted?

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Speaker 1: You don't see the problem with that.

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01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:13,279
Speaker 12: I mean, is it you know, hundred percentage? Oh so

1285
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,159
what's the I mean, that's that's percentage?

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it thirty percent corrupted? Eighty percent corrupted?

1287
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You see how silly this is. How do we know

1288
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what's the not corrupted part?

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Speaker 12: We know, I don't think Kuran that's not confirmed is corrupted.

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Speaker 2: Oh so that's the thing in question. So the Koran

1291
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confirms the Koran by stating what's in the Kuran?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

1293
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a circle. Yeah, that's a circular argument. So

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that's why it doesn't work.

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Speaker 12: I mean, you know one thing about you know, I mean, yeah,

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we don't say.

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Speaker 2: The head Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, barthol of you, what's up. Good, Yeah,

1298
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to ice to be a Muslim as well.

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Speaker 8: But just to add on to what he just said.

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Speaker 28: But basically, the kron obviously says in sur Free Versus

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fifty fifty three, how the disciples of Jesus were true

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photos of Allah, true foos of God. So and it

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01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:18,680
says that they spread the true message and that their

1304
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,520
message became dominant. So if we look at the dominant

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01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,720
message what they wrote, it's literally Christianity. So again just

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just just hamma that out.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I want to say that's another great argument

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01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,520
because if that got all up gave them the victory,

1309
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and the victory was what they taught that was Christianity,

1310
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then christian one.

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Speaker 8: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Anthony, Yeah, good points. Anthony, was.

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Speaker 29: Between like the Islamic worldview and and that of like

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unitarians or those that deny like the Apostolic succession, because

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I know you mentioned many times like heresy is rooted

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out of a misunderstanding of Christology.

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Speaker 2: Or uh yeah, even even his blom comes out of

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historianism and arianism.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, exactly, a great point. I mean, so I know

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you're driving, but I added this clip I saved that

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of this world. Leading Muslim apologist Saker Naike basically it's

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it's pretty dark. But this Canadian Muslim calls in and

1323
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he asks him it's like a hotline. He calls in

1324
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and asks him if if I raped the girl and

1325
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then murdered her, and I'm not caught by the law,

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well a'llah forgive me, And he basically says, yeah, as

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long as you repent to a law, he'll forgive you.

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What's eerie is that, you know, I know you're on

1329
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jailp recently, but the Unitarians and non Orthodox have the same,

1330
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you know, same idea that there's no conception of a

1331
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you know, a priest have it, or a spiritual father

1332
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attaining or emitting any sins. So ultimately it's like there's

1333
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really no difference. J LP recently said that if if

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you and I hope he was joking about this, but like,

1335
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if you kill someone or murder someone and you're not caught,

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just don't tell anybody and ask God for forgiveness.

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Speaker 8: It's it was it was just insane. I hope he

1338
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was joking.

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Speaker 2: It's even no, it's even prasier than that, because if

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you watch Justine Peterson saying high.

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Speaker 14: All the.

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Speaker 8: Sorry you could it out on my end? Was that

1343
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:41,920
last part? Oh maybe just me? I can't hear you.

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Speaker 6: There's no.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, it's not you who commits the sin. It's like,

1346
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uh yeah, it's it's weird man. So yeah, I just

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want to make that comment and and I added that

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video if you want to review. It's it's a guy

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that millions of people listen to and Muslims. It's it's

1350
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even scarier in Canada. You know, you have Canadians calling

1351
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:40,159
and saying this stuff. Oh yeah, sorry, Jay, I couldn't

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hear that last part was cutting out.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if it just me or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's.

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Speaker 6: H oh.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe it's just I don't know if it's me

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or the signal. I can't hear anything.

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Speaker 6: U