Speaker 1: Howdy folks, your host Double Jay back here for another
Speaker 1: Fridays here in Operation GCD. Uh and what Fridays would
Speaker 1: not be complete without a introduction from my.
Speaker 2: Old pal Buffalo Jared Ravisa.
Speaker 1: The mind controlled assassin that may or may not be
Speaker 1: sitting inside the Bridgewater State Hospital anyhow. Once again, folks,
Speaker 1: welcome back from our Fridays. JJ Vancier, host of Operation
Speaker 1: GCD and perhaps more notably not the Vice President. Got
Speaker 1: a real barn burner here, folks. Tonight, got my guest
Speaker 1: rider Lee, host of Raised by Giants. How you doing, sir?
Speaker 3: What's going on? JJ? Is good to see your brother,
Speaker 3: and I'm ready to get this show on the road.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: I got my glasses, I got my sunglasses. We gotta
Speaker 3: be matching, Bro, We're gonna get this thing rocking, dude.
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Now we do it here. You got you got, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, You gotta you gotta be styling
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Speaker 1: I like your style, sir, A lot of your show
Speaker 1: there earlier is obviously not your first time here on
Speaker 1: Operation GCD. But I was listening to your show with
Speaker 1: Julia from Cosmic Peachroler that was that was some good stuff.
Speaker 1: But would you please introduce any of the other work
Speaker 1: you're working on right now? I know you're always on
Speaker 1: something new with it JFK or Alien Ancient Alien Cargo
Speaker 1: cult business or Virginia Gufrey business.
Speaker 2: You got your hands a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: There, bro, I'm doing it all. I'm currently working on
Speaker 3: a new documentary about the psychic spy program by the
Speaker 3: DA and Army Intelligence, and that's gonna that's in the
Speaker 3: works right now. I'm almost finished completing writing that, so
Speaker 3: I'll be filming that here really soon. But if you'd
Speaker 3: like to check out my other documentaries JFK X Solving
Speaker 3: the Crime of the Century on Amazon Prime and two
Speaker 3: B and A Clockwork Shining my latest documentary, Clockwork Shining,
Speaker 3: Kubrick's Odyssey three, which is also on Amazon Prime and
Speaker 3: to be So yeah, I'm always getting into these UFOs
Speaker 3: and stuff. Bro. Have you seen this new report, this
Speaker 3: New New York Post article about aliens?
Speaker 2: Stephen green Street? Was he involved in that.
Speaker 3: Mcwest? But I think Stephen might have also Stephen green
Speaker 3: Street and mcwest have always been trying to blow the
Speaker 3: lid on the whole freaking UFO and alien psy office
Speaker 3: been going on. But yeah, the latest article is insanity.
Speaker 3: It's basically everything that I've been seeing for years, that
Speaker 3: all the UFOs and alien stuff is all cover up
Speaker 3: for advanced military technology, which is what I've been seeing
Speaker 3: for a long time now. In this article pretty much
Speaker 3: confirms it. I'm gona try and pull it up here
Speaker 3: because it's just incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I know Stephen greens for he does
Speaker 2: a lot of work in this area.
Speaker 1: Like you said, he kind of blows up the spots
Speaker 1: of these alien these these alien narratives and UFO narratives.
Speaker 1: I know, he's an interesting character because he's a former Mormon,
Speaker 1: you know, Mormon missionary too, you know, so that got
Speaker 1: him access into Skinwalker Ranch. I think through those kind
Speaker 1: of you know, those relations is that's a Mormon owned
Speaker 1: operation and Mormon run operation, and his I love this
Speaker 1: series there on the Skinwalker Ranch because you know, he's
Speaker 1: showing that they're just bullshitting and numerous sentstances.
Speaker 3: Yep. So this article right here in New York post
Speaker 3: Pentagon secretly planted Area fifty one UFO conspiracy theory to
Speaker 3: high classified weapons program. Bombshell report some of the most
Speaker 3: prevalent UFO conspiracy theories, including about aliens being housed at
Speaker 3: Area fifty one in Nevada, was fueled by the Pentagon
Speaker 3: in an attempt to provide a cover for secret weapons programs.
Speaker 3: According to a bombs report, which this is what I've
Speaker 3: been saying for years now. I did all this research,
Speaker 3: I knew all about this, and everyone was like, you're
Speaker 3: a fed. You're trying to cover up the truth of
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial as well. This is just confirmation here. A review
Speaker 3: by the Department of Defense found that the nineteen eighties
Speaker 3: Air Force colonel visited in Nevada bar near Area fifty
Speaker 3: one and gave the owner fabricated photos of flying saucers
Speaker 3: near the secret government base. According to two thousand and
Speaker 3: twenty four report by The Wall Street Journal, the incidents
Speaker 3: renewed local flavor over UFO, with a now retired colonel
Speaker 3: convesting to Pentagon investigators that he was on an official
Speaker 3: mission to spread disinformation and hide the true purpose of
Speaker 3: the site where the government is testing never before seen
Speaker 3: stealth warplane, the F one seventeen night Hawk. Okay, but
Speaker 3: that one I know that yet, that's not all bro
Speaker 3: That's that's that's just the tip of the freaking iceberg
Speaker 3: on this entire thing. So I don't want to read
Speaker 3: this entire article, but it goes into detail about and
Speaker 3: I did a show on this, and there's a video
Speaker 3: of the director of ARROW talking with Mick West about
Speaker 3: all this this these conspiracy theories to cover up advanced
Speaker 3: military technology. Sean ka Patrick, the first director of the
Speaker 3: All Domain anominally Resolution Office ARROW, was a mantask by
Speaker 3: the government to dissect countless UFOs theories in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: as his office probe decades of documents, memos, and messages
Speaker 3: across the Defense Intelligence Agency, and he he found that
Speaker 3: several conspiracy theories circled back to the Pentagon. It's so they,
Speaker 3: the Pentagon and the government are the originator of all
Speaker 3: these UFO and alien conspiracy theories, which does not want
Speaker 3: to figure out. Whenever you go back and your research
Speaker 3: through the Paul Bennowitz case, you'll realize that everything.
Speaker 1: That was gonna say writer was the Paul Bennwitz case.
Speaker 1: Because you're describing them giving them fake photographs. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's essentially the same playbook, right.
Speaker 3: This one's wild right here. You're gonna appreciate this. You're
Speaker 3: gonna appreciate this. In one instance, Kirkpatrick's team found that
Speaker 3: the Air Force hazed members with briefings, including showing them
Speaker 3: fake Yankee Blue unit that purported investigating alien aircraft. So
Speaker 3: they're literally showing these brand new Air Force recruits fake
Speaker 3: fake photos of UFOs. Okay, the briefings came with a
Speaker 3: direct order never to mention the details to anyone, with
Speaker 3: many of the targets of the frank never learning that
Speaker 3: it was all a ruse.
Speaker 2: It's a great way to answer this information from the
Speaker 2: inside there, right.
Speaker 4: That's the way that it's done. That's the way that
Speaker 4: it's done.
Speaker 3: You know this, I know this. They just they this
Speaker 3: is they're calling it a hazing ritual. Right, But if
Speaker 3: you don't tell the people that you're showing these fake
Speaker 3: UFO photos to, then they're going to continue to believe
Speaker 3: that it is real. Just like whenever they say, sh
Speaker 3: you can't speak about this. You're a man of you're
Speaker 3: a man of God. Well they wouldn't say God, but
Speaker 3: you want to protect the secrets of the United States.
Speaker 3: So this is exactly what they did with Paul Bennowitz.
Speaker 3: It's the exact same tactic. But they're doing this on
Speaker 3: a mass scale, a huge scale, and they've been doing
Speaker 3: it for decades. They just ended doing that supposed hazing
Speaker 3: ritual right here in twenty twenty three. They've been doing
Speaker 3: that for decades, and all the people that it's probably
Speaker 3: seen those it doesn't say the exact units. I'm sure
Speaker 3: if you got the real memo, I bet that there's
Speaker 3: going to be another memo coming out from that's going
Speaker 3: to give a detailed explanation of all this. They already
Speaker 3: dropped the one memo where they basically said that what
Speaker 3: everybody has been seeing, they're misidentifying it, or its advanced
Speaker 3: military technology or its drones that came out last year
Speaker 3: and I did a whole show on it as well.
Speaker 3: So they're they're they're giving these Air Force recruits fake briefings, okay,
Speaker 3: and then they just let them speculate on the whole thing.
Speaker 3: And then those Air Force personnel go on believing that
Speaker 3: they just got shown some top secret reverse engineered alien
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial craft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they they.
Speaker 1: Was this was started during the development of the F
Speaker 1: one seventeen program. The specific one.
Speaker 4: Was, Yes, the one that they're talking about that was like, dude, that.
Speaker 2: Was like nineteen eighty dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they've been doing this since nineteen eighty. They
Speaker 3: just recently stopped doing it twenty.
Speaker 2: Three years of that. Huh.
Speaker 1: Poor, because I don't mean, I didn't want to say
Speaker 1: it was around nineteen. I'm just saying the F one
Speaker 1: is seventeen eighty new. I mean, it was all when
Speaker 1: I when I uh, when I used to guard it,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty twenty two years ago.
Speaker 2: It was the last time I guarded in the F
Speaker 2: one is seventeen.
Speaker 3: And not saying anything at all, literally does everything that
Speaker 3: you need to know. Okay, whenever you show somebody something
Speaker 3: and then you don't tell them that it's fake or real,
Speaker 3: and then you just let them run with speculation, it's
Speaker 3: snowballs into something that it was never meant to be,
Speaker 3: which is the goal of these people to do so.
Speaker 3: Kirkpatrick also found that the government deliberately left people in
Speaker 3: the dark when they witnessed secret military projects. Okay. According
Speaker 3: to the WSJ, okay, former Air Force Captain was one
Speaker 3: of those people. Salas claims he witnessed the UFO to
Speaker 3: send over a nuclear missile testing site in Montana in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: You know all about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know all about this. You were there, you're
Speaker 3: stationar okay. During the event, a flashing light was able
Speaker 3: to disable all ten nuclear missiles at the bunker, along
Speaker 3: with electrical systems. He was ordered to never discuss what
Speaker 3: he saw with Sallas, maintaining that what he witnessed was
Speaker 3: alien visitors chiming in on the Cold War. Kirkpatrick's team, however,
Speaker 3: discovered the Salas was never told that what he actually
Speaker 3: saw was a test of an electro magnetic pulse to
Speaker 3: test to see if American silos could withstand the radiation
Speaker 3: of atomic weapons and retaliate if Soviet Union ever attacked first.
Speaker 3: There it is, that's all that, that's it.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me, And that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense to me. And just like
Speaker 1: the way you're describing this witness report from Sallus, he
Speaker 1: could have the same the same way I told you
Speaker 1: about the story, how I encountered a similar circumstance and
Speaker 1: it was an honor. About July eighth, of two thousand
Speaker 1: and one where I was called in to respond to
Speaker 1: an incident they had transpired in the missile field, all
Speaker 1: these missile silos that were spread across nearly twenty four
Speaker 1: thousand square miles of Montana at the time, and we
Speaker 1: got I got to the armory to get all, you know,
Speaker 1: to get geared up.
Speaker 2: We never left the armory.
Speaker 1: We were standing by there and they're like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: stand down, stand down, and you know, went to a
Speaker 1: briefing room.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, this happen.
Speaker 1: This happened some unidentified aircraft whoever, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the further away you know, missile complexes from the base,
Speaker 1: you know, because I gain it's a huge place, you know,
Speaker 1: huge complex and you know, fairly remote area, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you know, apparently did the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: So what if it was this the same program, right,
Speaker 1: what if they did you know, what if they didn't.
Speaker 2: They didn't show us pictures or anything.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like the program you're describing it, I
Speaker 1: feel like the Salas guy went to the same base,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of decades its prior, right, and
Speaker 1: uh that into a briefing and just you know, showed
Speaker 1: them some shit, you know, and infer some shit right.
Speaker 3: Exactly with the test failing, officials decided that it was
Speaker 3: best no one knew of the top secret vulnerability to
Speaker 3: the silos, so Solace and other witnesses were intentionally left
Speaker 3: in the dark to make their own conclusions. Yeah, exactly
Speaker 3: here here, we'll show you this really strange thing. We'll
Speaker 3: not tell you exactly what it is, even though we
Speaker 3: know what it is, and we'll let your mind wander
Speaker 3: off in whatever direction. And you don't know about this technology,
Speaker 3: so therefore you're going to think that it's et extraterrestrial
Speaker 3: craft when it is really our own top secret military craft.
Speaker 3: The d ODEA has acknowledged and not everything has been
Speaker 3: made public about the Arrows discoveries, but the military claims
Speaker 3: that will be more transparent, and his follow up reports
Speaker 3: scheduled for later this year. So they are doing a
Speaker 3: follow up report, and you be damn sure that I'm
Speaker 3: going to be doing a show on it later this year.
Speaker 3: The Department is committed to releasing a second volume of
Speaker 3: the Historical Record Report to include Arrows findings on reports
Speaker 3: of potential pranks and and other materials. The DoD said
Speaker 3: in a statement, So there you go that just the
Speaker 3: whole lid on the UFO thing is over.
Speaker 4: Dude, it's over.
Speaker 1: So is this like a reverse disclosure like their disclosing shit,
Speaker 1: but kind of like it's not aliens. We've just been
Speaker 1: you know, reverse engineering stuff. We're kind of doing this
Speaker 1: reverse disclosure right now too. Yeah, reverse engineering. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no alien aircraft I'm saying, but they're doing like
Speaker 1: on that same kind of concept. They've taken this concept
Speaker 1: of disclosure and they're kind of reversing it and letting
Speaker 1: folks know about it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, these people have to do their due diligence, and
Speaker 3: the military and the Air Force have never said that
Speaker 3: extraterrestrials or aliens exist. Okay. After every single incident, there's
Speaker 3: always an Air Force commander or somebody that's in the
Speaker 3: Air Force that comes out and says, we have no
Speaker 3: reason to believe that this is of this event was
Speaker 3: of extraterrestrial origin. We have no reason to believe that
Speaker 3: this is aliens. Okay, So if it's not.
Speaker 2: Aliens, alternate disclosure.
Speaker 3: That only leaves one other option. Hey, that only leaves
Speaker 3: you one other thing. It is humans. It's human's craft. Okay,
Speaker 3: they've been since the freaking fifties.
Speaker 2: Bro it seems like we're what I was getting at before.
Speaker 2: I guess in the long winded ways.
Speaker 1: It seems like they're trying to reverse engineer the alien
Speaker 1: myths right now, right by these kind of disclosures, right,
Speaker 1: So it's a different.
Speaker 3: But people, people aren't going to listen this report in
Speaker 3: this news article is not going to change anything because
Speaker 3: the people that already believe, we're going to continue to
Speaker 3: believe no matter what. It's not going to change jack shit.
Speaker 1: I don't immediately no hear the idealists right that there's
Speaker 1: are or this is their religion.
Speaker 3: Right there's even people listening in this chant right now
Speaker 3: that doesn't believe this. Okay, this isn't going to change
Speaker 3: anybody's minds that already believe it. But I've already done
Speaker 3: the research. I've already done the research through all the
Speaker 3: UFO cults. I've already researched the initial reports of any
Speaker 3: UFOs ever seen in the United States with Kenneth Arnold.
Speaker 3: I've researched to Paul Benningwood's case, I know, the Betty
Speaker 3: and Barney Hill case. I know, the Travis Walden case,
Speaker 3: and all of these things are all military stuff. They're
Speaker 3: all the military. That's all the.
Speaker 1: Radiation of those two goings you just mentioned the Betty
Speaker 1: and Barney Hill and the Travis Walton.
Speaker 3: Well, so that would be some of the first they
Speaker 3: figured out, so they would be having radiation coming off
Speaker 3: of them. I mean, that's what the airships in the
Speaker 3: late eighteen hundreds were using. That's what the Nazis were using. Radiation.
Speaker 3: Spinning mercury put off a bunch of radiation. That's what
Speaker 3: the Glauca Bell technology was putting off, was red spinning mercury,
Speaker 3: which then calls a bunch of radiation, and when people
Speaker 3: would get around it, they would get super sick. And
Speaker 3: then that also brings in the question like the Arc
Speaker 3: of the Covenant too, right, the Arc of the Covenant
Speaker 3: seems like it was also some sort of actually like
Speaker 3: not extra creusture, but some sort of technology that would
Speaker 3: give off radiation. Six people would just die whenever they
Speaker 3: got around got around the Arc of the Covenant.
Speaker 1: So it's like, now it's in Donald Trump's living room, right,
Speaker 1: did you see.
Speaker 2: That he had that a replica replica of it. I
Speaker 2: guess right down there in Marlogue for a while.
Speaker 3: Some people report that it's in a church and I
Speaker 3: can't remember the Yeah, I think I think it's one
Speaker 3: on the now. Yeah, that's underneath the church that's guarded
Speaker 3: by night.
Speaker 1: Thought, what about this thought on these on this radiation factor.
Speaker 1: What if it's both things. What if it is these
Speaker 1: experimental craft and they're also doing experiments on folks with
Speaker 1: radiation stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we know that they do experiments like
Speaker 3: that all the time.
Speaker 1: Like the government loves radiation experiments.
Speaker 3: You have been doing them since Like, I mean, look
Speaker 3: at plumb Island.
Speaker 1: Bro Well, look at that infamous press conference from the
Speaker 1: nineties where old slick willy Bill Clinton himself had to
Speaker 1: go on TV and apologize for some reason for rate
Speaker 1: for government mk ulture program. Right, I was specifically under
Speaker 1: the mk ltra, you know umbrella, but it was an
Speaker 1: m kilt like program where they were doing experiments on
Speaker 1: mentally handicapped children with radiation.
Speaker 3: Was that in New York?
Speaker 2: I'll pulled up here. I don't recall it was the
Speaker 2: press conference he gave.
Speaker 1: I'll see if I can find that copy too, because
Speaker 1: he looks nervous, you know, for old slick Will.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't been too slick that day.
Speaker 3: Well, the whole Plumb Island thing is like all like
Speaker 3: eugenics and like experimental Jesus and viruses and like all
Speaker 3: kinds of stuff. And it's so weird, like we're like
Speaker 3: looking at China as like all this stuff. But we've
Speaker 3: been doing experiments on Plumb Island for freaking decades.
Speaker 2: Bro big time.
Speaker 1: That's where it supposedly where lime comes from, right, because
Speaker 1: it's right across from Lime, Connecticut, I mean life disease, right,
Speaker 1: And that's where this monster came from, the Montaku Monster.
Speaker 1: So I was out in Long Island, Montak, Long Island
Speaker 1: when this thing landed on the beach that weekend in
Speaker 1: July of two thousand and eight. I think I was
Speaker 1: out there doing some fishing off the out there, and
Speaker 1: after it came in from the boat, went to get
Speaker 1: some lunch and whatnot, and everyone was talking about this
Speaker 1: damn monster. So and then I no one there thought
Speaker 1: it was a corruptive of any sort of Everyone was
Speaker 1: talking Plumb Island. I had never heard of Plumb Island
Speaker 1: until that, until that incident.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of coffee. I'm not saying that extraterrestrials
Speaker 3: don't exist. I'm saying that we that there's no extraterrestrials here.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that nowhere else in the universe is
Speaker 3: populated by anything. I'm saying that we have no proof
Speaker 3: they have ever been here or that they have ever visited.
Speaker 3: And again, and I'm not saying that UFOs aren't real either.
Speaker 3: That's some of the things that people get misconstrued by.
Speaker 3: You know, when I talk about this stuff, they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: that means that UFOs aren't real. Well, if you're relating
Speaker 3: UFOs to being driven and operated by extraterrestrials, then that
Speaker 3: would be correct. But that doesn't mean that UFOs aren't real.
Speaker 3: They are real. They're just not extraterrestrials.
Speaker 4: They're just not y.
Speaker 1: I think the people that run this world they want
Speaker 1: everyone else to believe in their beliefs system of these
Speaker 1: ancient alien cargo cold belief systems. So it is easy
Speaker 1: for folks to subscribe, I think, to these these concepts
Speaker 1: and ideals, especially when we have entire television networks like
Speaker 1: the History Channel, which may as well be called the
Speaker 1: Ancient Alien Cargo cult Channel.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's right, and it does and it doesn't
Speaker 3: go away. What season are they on of Ancient Aliens? Now?
Speaker 3: What are they only twenty fifth season or something?
Speaker 1: Dude, They're they're getting their bang for their buck out
Speaker 1: of that program. But again, it's it's the agenda, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's what these folks believe in. I mean,
Speaker 1: from the folks that are in and around the JFK
Speaker 1: situation that you've highlighted in JFKX, there is got a
Speaker 1: lot more questions they need answer than just some files
Speaker 1: sitting in some cabinet in DC. Right, And the Ancient
Speaker 1: Alien cargo cultists are involved in that. They're involved in that,
Speaker 1: they're involved in their family, and all the families are
Speaker 1: involved in that. So I actually I tend to argue
Speaker 1: that it when we're dealing with these, you know, major
Speaker 1: para political scandals, is some sort of internal family feud
Speaker 1: of sorts, because all these folks are related to a
Speaker 1: certain degree, and this family feud is all revolving Chilian
Speaker 1: cargo cultists, in my opinion, and their their goals and
Speaker 1: their the ends that they seek to achieve or are
Speaker 1: not much like the cargo cultists of the islands of
Speaker 1: the South Pacific, dancing around the island waiting for g
Speaker 1: I Joe to bring them back more things from the
Speaker 1: sky of food and creates and whatnot, dropping supplies onto
Speaker 1: their island. They're God gi Joe, that is, you know,
Speaker 1: that's never gonna happen, no matter how many dances they
Speaker 1: do and whatever these assholes are up to you rider,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever their endgame is, he's anciently and cargo cultists.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not achievable. It's the same difference.
Speaker 1: They're dancing around the island waiting for Gi Joe to
Speaker 1: drop them more supplies, and in the meantime they're making
Speaker 1: everyone else's life a living hell in my opinion, because again,
Speaker 1: these things are fuge. They seem to be fuge right,
Speaker 1: and into a certain regard, they seem to be used
Speaker 1: as weapons. When I say they're using weapons, you know,
Speaker 1: there seems to be some sort of modern day incarnation
Speaker 1: of spook programs with these things, as far as using
Speaker 1: them as spook operations with these colts like Heaven's Gate Order,
Speaker 1: the Solar Temple, and strangely enough, the Branch Davidians, which
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: Know French Davidians and Order the Solar Temple are very
Speaker 3: similar in nature as they were both being investigated for
Speaker 3: weapons modifying weapons, which we know that that was a
Speaker 3: whole story, that was a fabricated story in order for
Speaker 3: them to like basically go in to get a warrant.
Speaker 3: And they also made up allegations of like methanphetamine lab
Speaker 3: at the Branch Davidian compound, which was also a lie.
Speaker 3: I had David Tibadero on my show. It's one of
Speaker 3: the least it's most underrated show I've probably ever done.
Speaker 3: I tried to do a clip of it, but it
Speaker 3: didn't gain much traction either when even when I released
Speaker 3: the smaller clip of it. But David Tivodero was one
Speaker 3: of the survivors of Waco, and he came on and
Speaker 3: gave me his like entire story of everything that was
Speaker 3: that was going on. But Order of the Solar Temple
Speaker 3: is very similar and in a lot of ways. And
Speaker 3: also Order the Solar Temples very similar to the Heaven's
Speaker 3: Gate cult as well, like they all kind of mesh
Speaker 3: and like melod together, so temple all three of their
Speaker 3: facilities that they were running. One was in Geneva, Switzerland.
Speaker 3: The other one was in Canada, and I think another
Speaker 3: one in like right outside of Switzerland. They all burnt
Speaker 3: to the ground.
Speaker 1: Well on top of that, on top of that, sir,
Speaker 1: they did it same day, didn't they. Heaven's Gate Order
Speaker 1: the Solar Temple had a simultaneous ritual because they're both
Speaker 1: trying to jump on hailbop comment, right, and a few
Speaker 1: years prior on our previous ritual. And so that's what
Speaker 1: ninety seven, So in ninety four, in ninety four, right
Speaker 1: with the Waco situation, was that so in ninety three
Speaker 1: the Order of the Stolar Temple folks, that was the
Speaker 1: one in Canada, the one the one I just mentioned
Speaker 1: in ninety seven and ninety three, the one in the
Speaker 1: There was two incidents in France, right, and one of
Speaker 1: them was Simon was one of them.
Speaker 2: They recorded the cult leaders.
Speaker 1: On camera saying that the Branch Davidians beat them to
Speaker 1: the punch, meaning they were both trying to catch the
Speaker 1: same comment. According to the cult leaders of the Order
Speaker 1: of the Solar Temple. When one of the no, the
Speaker 1: Branch Davidians in ninety three.
Speaker 3: Branch Davidians never wanted to die. Bro the freaking government
Speaker 3: burned that compound to the ground.
Speaker 1: No, I understand that. But what I'm saying is it
Speaker 1: seems like we don't have that full story. According to
Speaker 1: the cult leaders of the Order of the Solar Temple,
Speaker 1: who were recorded saying that the they had to delay
Speaker 1: their their their next ritual, you know, to jump on
Speaker 1: whatever comet or whatever they're trying to achieve, and because
Speaker 1: the Branch Davidians quote unquote beat them to the punch.
Speaker 1: They recorded on camera saying this in an undercover operation.
Speaker 3: Again, there's no true because they they the Branch Davidians
Speaker 3: had no they did not want to die. The the
Speaker 3: at F and the FBI literally set the place on
Speaker 3: fire and killed all of that. That's what happened.
Speaker 1: They That's what I'm saying. It's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a disparate narrative. I'll bring it up in a second though.
Speaker 3: So served a warrant to the Branch Davidians and then
Speaker 3: opened fire on them, reportedly killing their dogs first, and
Speaker 3: then all the Branch Davidians got all their weapons. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the uh, I think that that's right, Desert Rain.
Speaker 2: Now you're reciting the the known facts in air. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, dude.
Speaker 1: But when you look at it, like that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: is this evidence that what these guys are saying from
Speaker 1: the owner of the Solar Temple, the cult leaders, is
Speaker 1: this evidence that we don't know enough about the branch
Speaker 1: Davidian situation, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: That's that's that's kind of what I was getting at.
Speaker 3: I mean, it could be, but then it's also the
Speaker 3: Order of the Solar Temple could have just been like
Speaker 3: just talking shit. I don't I don't know what they
Speaker 3: would even be referring to unless unless they were talking
Speaker 3: to that they like ascended, that they ascended before they
Speaker 3: got to ascend or whatever. I don't know that that
Speaker 3: could be a thing.
Speaker 1: But that could be too. Yeah, I'm not sure. We'll
Speaker 1: have to we'll pull it up to I just got
Speaker 1: I just came across it recently when discussing the Order
Speaker 1: of the Solar Temple with them.
Speaker 2: Also wait for guard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Solar was really very culty, very Masonic, very
Speaker 3: h rich and wealthy. Heavy in the weapon that was
Speaker 3: found that killed a lot of the people in the
Speaker 3: Order of the Solar Temple, there was a one shot
Speaker 3: gun you had to reload the gun every time you
Speaker 3: shot the gun. And I believe it was more than
Speaker 3: half of the people that died at the Order of
Speaker 3: the Solar Temple compound in Geneva or Switzerland were all
Speaker 3: shot in the head. So how did they shoot? How
Speaker 3: did they shoot that many people in the head with
Speaker 3: a one shot gun. It's pretty sauce. The whole thing
Speaker 3: is pretty sauce. And then how did all three of
Speaker 3: these things almost like these compounds almost simultaneously go up?
Speaker 1: No, literally, so the one in Canada for the Word
Speaker 1: of the Solar Temple in ninety seven is simultaneous to
Speaker 1: the Heavens Gate ritual in San Diego. So you have
Speaker 1: we'll call it thirty five hundred miles between these two locations,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I believe the Order of the Solar Temple was before
Speaker 3: Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 2: Yah.
Speaker 1: It's literally the same time, dude. Literally, they're both trying
Speaker 1: to catch hailbop. That's what I'm saying. I just realized
Speaker 1: I just put all this stuff together recently, and when
Speaker 1: discussing with Austin Waite, pccard and my cold because I
Speaker 1: was trying to map it out chronologically and like holy shit,
Speaker 1: these are the same days. I think it was Julia
Speaker 1: that brought it to my attention from Cosmic Peach in
Speaker 1: that same conversation.
Speaker 2: We bring it up here, I.
Speaker 3: Was in the same year.
Speaker 1: Well, they had three different events. They had three different
Speaker 1: events major you know, mass deaths, right, so the first
Speaker 1: one goes down in Let me just breathe up here.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Chris Bledsoe as I'm bringing
Speaker 1: this one up right, He's an interesting character that likes
Speaker 1: to go out there and tell a lot of tales.
Speaker 3: Huh okay, So I think that it was ninety six
Speaker 3: was the Order of the Solar Temples.
Speaker 1: Here we go here we got looks like France in
Speaker 1: ninety five, in Quebeca ninety seven, and we got one
Speaker 1: in ninety four, looks like maybe nineteen ninety four. D
Speaker 1: Mambro one of the leaders of the cult. If well,
Speaker 1: folks aren't familiar with this one. This is a very
Speaker 1: interesting cult Order of the Solar Temple. And they kind
Speaker 1: of claimed this Knights templar, like a neo templarism, right,
Speaker 1: that was a lot a root of their situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very nice templar like they would do these rituals.
Speaker 3: They would get only the rich people that were involved
Speaker 3: to donate to their cult. They would use these magic
Speaker 3: smoking mirrors to convince them that during the ritual that
Speaker 3: they were seeing some sort of angelic operation or sometimes
Speaker 3: even a dark operation. But he was just Joseph Demanbro
Speaker 3: was just using a freaking projector, yep, to convince the
Speaker 3: followers that their initiation rituals complete because they got to
Speaker 3: see the vision of the entity. But his daughter was
Speaker 3: the one that came out and revealed that she's the
Speaker 3: one that blew the whistle on that entire thing. And
Speaker 3: so the demanmbro was just making a bunch of shut.
Speaker 1: Up and he's literally just projecting this stuff like you know, again,
Speaker 1: it's not like a major show, but they're using drugs.
Speaker 1: They're doing these light shows and performances. Right, It's kind
Speaker 1: of this kind of all engrossing, kind of very mk
Speaker 1: ulture like experience. I think for a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: this situation as far as an induction into this the
Speaker 1: ritual induction into the cult, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and they would get millions of dollars
Speaker 3: in donations from like the most wealthy people. The only
Speaker 3: way that you could get into the fault is if
Speaker 3: you had like like you could prove that you had
Speaker 3: an ex amount of money like in your bank account Kelly. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And these people were also like studying a lot of
Speaker 3: this stuff before. So it's almost like the Heaven's Gate
Speaker 3: cult where Marshall apple White and Bonnie Nettles just went
Speaker 3: around to all these different New Age centers and all
Speaker 3: these spiritual centers and collected all their information to form
Speaker 3: the basis and the outline of how they wanted to
Speaker 3: run their cult. And it's sort of the same way
Speaker 3: with Luke jerra Here and Joseph Demambro. But this call
Speaker 3: was also responsible for killing a baby. Well they previous
Speaker 3: cult members Joseph Demambro. If you scroll down a little
Speaker 3: bit you probably find it. But Joseph Demambro was convinced
Speaker 3: that this baby was like the reincarnation of Satan or
Speaker 3: like Lucifer what I heard. Then they went to this.
Speaker 1: Writer at Wikipedia says it never happened on all the
Speaker 1: sorts of all information on the interwebs. Go figure, huh, Well,
Speaker 1: what was the that they didn't kill the baby? There's
Speaker 1: no mention of it there. What was the what was
Speaker 1: the year of this.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just scroll down a little bit.
Speaker 3: You'll find it.
Speaker 1: No, No, I searched, it's not there's no baby on
Speaker 1: that page. There's no baby, there's no.
Speaker 3: Jab scrolled and scroll down on the Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: Well, I did the control of I'm just saying, there's
Speaker 1: no there's nothing about babies or deaths here.
Speaker 2: What do you know?
Speaker 1: Do you know a location? It occurred in? Maybe country?
Speaker 1: We'll just do baby death, don't. I'm not familiar with
Speaker 1: this aspect. I was mainly just learning about this cult,
Speaker 1: and I was familiar with it, but I wasn't deeply
Speaker 1: as familiar with all these details to know that there
Speaker 1: were so many similarities to so many other things.
Speaker 3: To go to mouse suicide and.
Speaker 1: Uh ninety four murders. The ninety four event, I believe
Speaker 1: we got this was the first one.
Speaker 3: This is this killed the family are here.
Speaker 4: On this page, Broue.
Speaker 1: They don't list it on the main page. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying this. You gotta click on it, dude, you
Speaker 1: gotta click on it.
Speaker 3: You're trying to say, I'm lying Brown now.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm trying to say Wikipedia is hiding it.
Speaker 2: The source of all.
Speaker 1: Information on the interwebs, right, Folks go to Wikipedia and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, Wikipedia didn't say so didn't happen?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's why I use it as a basis of, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to understand what the main narrative is, because you know,
Speaker 1: just as well as I do, that's where folks stop
Speaker 1: at to learn most you know, you know, situations. And
Speaker 1: I agree, you can find some good information on there.
Speaker 1: You can see where things are, what stories are being told.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because I came across this the other
Speaker 1: day on a very similar cult circumstance where they were
Speaker 1: removing the titles of things like from newspaper headlines in
Speaker 1: the digital format.
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, a lot of that with the Virginia's
Speaker 3: your phrase stuff. I have it all popped up on
Speaker 3: my Toms page and a lot of the links are
Speaker 3: like broken links.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and I presume the reason why they remove the
Speaker 1: headlines from it is and put just the numbers because that,
Speaker 1: you know, makes search engines, you know, be like you
Speaker 1: can't you can't find it?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also they changed the the the picture that was the
Speaker 3: order of the solar temple. Didn't used to be like
Speaker 3: this on the wikiped in front of the Wikipedia page.
Speaker 3: I did this. I covered this cult in my UFO
Speaker 3: Doomsday Cult series. But yeah, read the read the ritual
Speaker 3: of h here it is.
Speaker 1: They're given a bridge version on the main page, but yeah,
Speaker 1: the master pages were to go when they give you
Speaker 1: all the details here about the age groups of these people, right,
Speaker 1: because there is it's all.
Speaker 2: It's all families, right, It's not like just it's not
Speaker 2: just adults. Right.
Speaker 1: Grace Kelly and the Prince of Monica may have been involved,
Speaker 1: but I assure you they're not the ones dying here, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what do you what do you think that l
Speaker 1: been of the cold is?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: We got the upper echelon ailment and then we got
Speaker 1: all these people dying. Are the upper echelon just recruiting folks?
Speaker 1: And then murk what's going on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right here? Two members Joel Egger and Jerry get
Speaker 3: an Owd killed the family, repeatedly stabbing them, including their
Speaker 3: three month year old baby.
Speaker 2: Good lord.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as ordered by Joseph Demambro. These murders were carried
Speaker 3: out in a ritualistic fashion and then uh the for
Speaker 3: Switzerland the same day, spent the next four days cleaning
Speaker 3: up the scene and preparing for death. On October fourth,
Speaker 3: they said incendiary timers to go off and burn the
Speaker 3: house down as a result. So they're not.
Speaker 2: Part of the mass, the mass deaths, the mass suicide.
Speaker 3: This happened right before they Yeah, they did this murder
Speaker 3: of the two the family and the three month old child,
Speaker 3: like right before their compound went up in flames, and
Speaker 3: then they essentially murdered all of their members.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a very interesting writer because it says
Speaker 1: they were lured into the situation. It says on thirty
Speaker 1: September ninety four at five pm, the Deutoys or Dutoys
Speaker 1: were lured into the Chile and more in heights, having
Speaker 1: been invited there by Belloton. So Belleton's a member of
Speaker 1: the cold huh.
Speaker 3: And right here says twenty of the dead had been
Speaker 3: shot with a gun. This is the main compound in Geneva, Switzerland.
Speaker 3: Twenty one of them had died from gunshot wounds, previously
Speaker 3: drugged with sleeping pills, and the other two dying of
Speaker 3: suffocation from plastic bags which is very reminiscent of the
Speaker 3: Heaven's Gate called as well. What they don't say in
Speaker 3: here is that the gun was only a one shot gun,
Speaker 3: so they had to kill twenty one people. They were
Speaker 3: shot in the head by a one shot gun, so
Speaker 3: they had to do one.
Speaker 1: Right because some of that survived that right, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're doing it, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: that doesn't want that only works out. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess you could grab the gun from the dead person
Speaker 1: to keep passing it on. But I mean, it didn't
Speaker 1: really seem plausible, does it.
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. And it's and it's not in question
Speaker 3: that these people weren't murdered. I mean, twenty one of
Speaker 3: them were one murdered. They didn't like voluntarily killed themselves.
Speaker 3: They were murdered.
Speaker 1: So this guy right here there, Dominic bellots On, did
Speaker 1: he was he part of the murdered because it seems
Speaker 1: like he was the one that lured that family and
Speaker 1: to start all this these shenanigans here, not the good
Speaker 1: kind of shenanigans.
Speaker 3: Uh, he was one of the people. Yeah, he's one
Speaker 3: of the people that did the that killed the two
Speaker 3: family members. And there there's a three month old child, and.
Speaker 1: Then wouldn't that be convenient if he's one of the
Speaker 1: ones that's amongst the dead though, right.
Speaker 3: That would be convenient. I know that Joseph Demambro and
Speaker 3: Luke Gerie were both found amongst the dead, and this
Speaker 3: original one that happened in ninety four.
Speaker 2: Right, but both of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so both of the leaders were completely dead in
Speaker 3: ninety four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, which is weird again, So I'll
Speaker 1: pull it up in a minute where I was looking
Speaker 1: at that video that was done in undercover operations already
Speaker 1: being run here.
Speaker 2: So it's just such a weird environment. But I don't
Speaker 2: see a name.
Speaker 1: Yep, he was amongst the people amongst the dead, so
Speaker 1: Belatan was so there you go.
Speaker 2: Obviously, no one's going to answer questions at that point, right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and they don't know exactly who was the one
Speaker 3: that was doing the murdering. And that's been the whole
Speaker 3: thing that's been up for contention. The family members of
Speaker 3: this whole thing, one of the one of it all
Speaker 3: like investigated and they were like, no, all these people
Speaker 3: committed suicide.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: I finally found the entire you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. You gotta do a little bit
Speaker 1: work here to find the entire death list in ages
Speaker 1: and posts because this is a very wide ranging group.
Speaker 2: I think both.
Speaker 1: I remember when I was looking at it before, it
Speaker 1: was it was kind of these weren't all the like
Speaker 1: as you were saying, you gotta be you gotta have
Speaker 1: money to get in the colt, right, But so these
Speaker 1: weren't all the lower rungs of society or anything, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But at the same time, you
Speaker 1: got this factor I feel like where you got the
Speaker 1: Prince of Monaco in the former act, you know, the princess,
Speaker 1: the actress Chrace Kelly, they're they're in their members of
Speaker 1: this cult. So again, I mean there's some some it
Speaker 1: just seems like one of those kind of classic conspiracy
Speaker 1: tropes of elite you know, elite folks, you know, roping
Speaker 1: some uh, you know some of the lower class that
Speaker 1: you know folks they would consider lower class, right and
Speaker 1: then murking them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that kind of seems But these people have
Speaker 3: so much money, bro. Like there was documents that was
Speaker 3: found of like like, don't like people that were in
Speaker 3: the cold that was giving the cult like millions of dollars. Dude, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know why, I don't know why they would
Speaker 3: want to do what they did, doesn't make any type
Speaker 3: of sense, but Joseph Damambro and Luke Cheray basically they
Speaker 3: scammed all these people out of money because they were
Speaker 3: just faking all of the supernatural stuff that they were doing.
Speaker 3: I know it somewhere on this Wikipedia article as well,
Speaker 3: probably under scrutiny or something Beliefs and Practices or something,
Speaker 3: but it also talks about how George Damambro's his daughter
Speaker 3: was the one that came out inside that, and then
Speaker 3: he then he tried to cover it all up whenever
Speaker 3: it started coming out that he was faking the rituals
Speaker 3: and planning these fake operitions with like smoking mirrors and
Speaker 3: like projectors. He then turned around and made people believe
Speaker 3: that they were highly important historical figures and that they
Speaker 3: had been reincarnated here to serve a purpose and follow him,
Speaker 3: and that they were reincarnations of famous historical figures throughout
Speaker 3: history and they were here to serve a mission. And then,
Speaker 3: like everyone body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he just switched, just like.
Speaker 3: Every cult does. They just whenever they get caught up
Speaker 3: with something. I call it the switcheroo. They just they
Speaker 3: just switch up there and completely up in their entire
Speaker 3: basis of what they originally said in order to fit
Speaker 3: the narrative and then shore in the new beliefs. That
Speaker 3: was disparaging that people figured out before. So in this case,
Speaker 3: it was, oh, well, someone's saying about this, that we're
Speaker 3: faking this, uh, these operations and stuff, and it turns
Speaker 3: out these rituals weren't really real and you weren't seeing
Speaker 3: beels above in the ritual room. But you are very important.
Speaker 3: I've been shown a vision. I've been shown a vision.
Speaker 2: JJ always how it starts, writer, watch out, watch out.
Speaker 3: Showing a vision. And in this vision, you are the
Speaker 3: reincarninated version of Saint Jermaine, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like Saint dude.
Speaker 1: You are saying like David Wilcox started to sound like
Speaker 1: David Wilcox.
Speaker 2: Now that's happened.
Speaker 1: That was part of their theology too, because they had
Speaker 1: that theosophy stuff too going on in the order of
Speaker 1: the Solar Temple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this guy's interesting, right, this this Luke.
Speaker 3: Day, Yeah, Luke Xurie, he's a whole other thing as well.
Speaker 3: And how they mad and how Joseph Demambro mad and
Speaker 3: how it all like went down and then they just
Speaker 3: how they decided to start the cult. Yeah, yeah, so interesting,
Speaker 3: but all of them do that same type of thing,
Speaker 3: Like the Heaven's Gate cult also did that. Whenever Marsha
Speaker 3: oppa white and body, Nettels was like, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 3: whenever you die, you're gonna ascend into the like a
Speaker 3: UFO mothership is going to come by and pick you up,
Speaker 3: and then you're going to be transferred into the next
Speaker 3: evolutionary level above human and be transformed into your true form,
Speaker 3: your true essence, and like all that, and then he
Speaker 3: they had everyone convinced that whenever Bonnie Nettles dies, she
Speaker 3: was going to be that her body was going to
Speaker 3: be abducted by UFO ship and then her body transformed
Speaker 3: into the next evolutionary level above human. And then whenever
Speaker 3: she died of brain cancer, and that didn't happen, right,
Speaker 3: and everybody was like, oh.
Speaker 2: It kind of blows up the spot, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then he's like, oh, well, we gotta, we gotta.
Speaker 3: Everyone is super special. Now you are all the reincarnation
Speaker 3: of the Twelve Disciples, and you've been here with me
Speaker 3: since the very beginning. This is the same play book.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's absolutely the same playbook, and That's exactly
Speaker 1: what wanted to bring up here too. I like the
Speaker 1: comment though that that Demambro was a Vatican agent, because
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that Luke Trey guy was a
Speaker 1: member of the Society of the Cincinnati and the French Chapter.
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is he's got ken folk
Speaker 1: that are so it's always these weird cult you know.
Speaker 1: And again I would argue there in ancient alien cargo
Speaker 1: cultists themselves as well within that organization, because they spawned
Speaker 1: Mormonism as well from the Society, the Founding the Fathers
Speaker 1: of America and the group they formed. Joseph Smith's grandfather
Speaker 1: was a was a member of that group out of
Speaker 1: the Massachusetts chapter, so you know, they adopted a lot
Speaker 1: of other founding father of theology as well. Elias Budena
Speaker 1: one of this Founding Fathers. He wrote a book in
Speaker 1: eighteen eighteen about the Lost Tribes coming over here in
Speaker 1: all this mound building and moors and stuff that Joseph
Speaker 1: Smith would adapt into Mormonism. So at a lot of
Speaker 1: those connections within that Society group and a lot of
Speaker 1: those society groups around I want to I want to
Speaker 1: discuss two relative to that JFK situation with you here
Speaker 1: before do we get in any of that stuff. Let's
Speaker 1: compare some of these cargo cults here with spookyation and
Speaker 1: alien cargo cults, the Order of the Solar Template and
Speaker 1: specifically Heaven's Gate. When we're talking about that, I'll pull
Speaker 1: up the one about the references to the Branch Davidians.
Speaker 1: But it looks here you got on the Wikipedia page,
Speaker 1: the source of all information on the interwebs.
Speaker 3: Once again you have what does that say? Scroll back
Speaker 3: up really quickly. It says something about Marysville, California, that
Speaker 3: has spawned.
Speaker 1: Face news of the mass suicide and motivated the copycat suicide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, copycat. I'm a fifty eight year old man living
Speaker 2: near Marysville.
Speaker 3: The man left a note dated March seventeenth, which said,
Speaker 3: I'm going to the spaceship and the helpop comment. Wow,
Speaker 3: those have gone before me. What holy should are you
Speaker 3: on Heaven's Gate right now? Is this the heavens Gate?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to find the actual suicide event.
Speaker 1: But you have to scroll down to the bottom for that.
Speaker 2: Apparently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was that I thought you were still on the
Speaker 3: Order of the Solar Temple.
Speaker 2: No, no, this is the Heaven's Gate one. I was
Speaker 2: trying to find the man. But it was interesting.
Speaker 1: I wonderf there's any more of those, uh copycat suicide events.
Speaker 2: That's the first one. I'm I'm not familiar with that
Speaker 2: specific against them. We'll come back to it.
Speaker 3: The well, you know that you can still email the
Speaker 3: Heaven's Gate Cult, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Their website is still active, isn't it.
Speaker 3: And I sent them a message about okay, and they replied, dude,
Speaker 3: they replied within a day.
Speaker 2: Oh, they're still recruiting, but they want you.
Speaker 3: Well, I just wanted their like their whole thing, like
Speaker 3: their manual of like what they had all of their people,
Speaker 3: because they had a list of rules sure the followers
Speaker 3: of the cult, and it was very strict rules that.
Speaker 4: Okay, so here we go.
Speaker 2: Check out this one right here.
Speaker 1: So on March twenty second, nineteen ninety seven, the same
Speaker 1: day as the Heaven's Gate suicide, five members of the
Speaker 1: Order of the Solar Temple group also died in mass
Speaker 1: suicide event. And they're both trying to get on Hailbop
Speaker 1: and according to I don't know if this was the
Speaker 1: specific goal of the hail Bop travels of the Heaven's Gate,
Speaker 1: but the Order of the Solar Temple.
Speaker 2: Folks. We're trying to get on hailbop on a ride
Speaker 2: to Sirius.
Speaker 3: But that was that would have been. That would have
Speaker 3: been like two years before the health comment even came.
Speaker 1: Through, though now this is twenty That was the closest
Speaker 1: It was at twenty second March nineteen ninety seven. And
Speaker 1: as you were saying, you were just emailing the Heaven's
Speaker 1: Gate folks, I assure you this cult persists as well,
Speaker 1: because it persisted long after the leaders died.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, here's my Well, let me make sure it
Speaker 3: doesn't expose any of the people that I'm talking to. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's good, Okay, So here's the email that I sent
Speaker 3: heavens Gate.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: It says, I am very interested in the twelve steps
Speaker 3: and guidelines that were given to the Heavens Gate members.
Speaker 3: I'd very much like to read them. Can't find them
Speaker 3: anywhere online. Their only reference. Would would be really helpful
Speaker 3: if you could send them my way. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 3: Then we replied, the seventeen steps are actually huh.
Speaker 1: It was it like five minutes next day when we're talking,
Speaker 1: what's the reply timeline looking.
Speaker 3: Like six seventeen and so less than twelve hours later.
Speaker 1: Dude, they're desperate, all right, please continue, sir. They need membership,
Speaker 1: they need membership.
Speaker 3: We said, the seven steps are actually in our book,
Speaker 3: but we have attached it here for you. So here's
Speaker 3: the seventeen steps of the Heavens Gate called that you
Speaker 3: can't anywhere online? You can. You can follow these instructions
Speaker 3: without adding your owner interpretation. Can you deliver instructions as
Speaker 3: you receive them and they do not change according to
Speaker 3: your computer? Do you participate and then considerate conversation? I
Speaker 3: should be stating number two, three, and four. Well that
Speaker 3: was one two, and the number three is do you
Speaker 3: participate in inconsiderate conversations polluting the years of others while
Speaker 3: you and your partner work things out? Number four? Are
Speaker 3: you physically clumsy breaking things because you handle them too
Speaker 3: harshly or carelessly? Number five? Do you have Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like a what do they call that? Like alcoholic? No,
Speaker 3: it's like a do it in like alcoholics anonymous? I think,
Speaker 3: or something where like a review at the end of
Speaker 3: your day or something where you like ask these questions
Speaker 3: to the people. I don't know. I remember it, but
Speaker 3: you know? Number four? Or do you have way complete
Speaker 3: task because your poor standard of what is thorough? Number six?
Speaker 3: Do you put off task procrastinate? Are your number seven?
Speaker 3: Are your patterns of cleanliness, sensitivity, gentleness, et cetera? Consistently consistent?
Speaker 3: Or are they good only when spotlighted? That's actually a
Speaker 3: really good question. That's actually a question.
Speaker 1: This seems like a psychological kind of like personality kind
Speaker 1: of questionnaire.
Speaker 2: Guys, did some with some silly questions to me?
Speaker 3: Number eight? Do you use more of something that is adequate?
Speaker 3: For example, excessively high cooking flame, more toothpaste than necessary? JJ?
Speaker 3: Are you using more toothpaste than necessary?
Speaker 2: Bro? That's what I'm saying. These are obscure questions.
Speaker 3: Number nine? Do you go from one extreme to another?
Speaker 3: As from overreacting to understanding, et cetera?
Speaker 4: Number ten?
Speaker 3: Are you sensitive when approaching another individual about something you
Speaker 3: want to discuss? Do you permit that individual to choose
Speaker 3: to continue to do what he is doing or you
Speaker 3: force them to drop it in order to give attention
Speaker 3: to you? Do you stop and check or do you
Speaker 3: assume what is on your mind is more important than
Speaker 3: what is on theirs know the difference between your relationship
Speaker 3: with your teachers and your fellow classmates in this regard,
Speaker 3: that's kind of deep, bro. That one not gonna lie, dude.
Speaker 3: Number ten is kind of deep.
Speaker 1: Number one, classmates, you're already in a class. Didn't Eve
Speaker 1: tell you about the class? Did you sign up for
Speaker 1: the class? Did you get accepted the class?
Speaker 2: You're in it? You're already You're ten questions and you're
Speaker 2: in a class.
Speaker 3: Well, they called the class like there were cult followers.
Speaker 4: That's the class.
Speaker 1: It's a mind already accept Yeah.
Speaker 3: Number eleven, do you needlessly ask a question when the
Speaker 3: answer is obvious or a moment of silent observation will
Speaker 3: quickly reveal the answer. That's one that people need to
Speaker 3: freaking really do, bro. Number twelve, Are you pushy, aggressive,
Speaker 3: interfering or demanding in any way as familiarity calls you
Speaker 3: to become more relaxed with your partners or others, that
Speaker 3: your actions or words don't hold enough restraint? Number fourteen?
Speaker 3: Are you general simple, cautious and they're a thoughtfully restrained
Speaker 3: in your steps of all other physical actions or words.
Speaker 3: That's another thing that the cult did, though, too, is
Speaker 3: like convince them that like to get vasectomies. I got
Speaker 3: a chemical castration, and then he convinced his other followers
Speaker 3: of the cults that also get chemical castration.
Speaker 1: That's why I say all cults are sex cults, even
Speaker 1: if it's chopping your dick off kind of uni sex cult.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're still telling you don't have sex and
Speaker 1: you can't have sex ay more because you lop your
Speaker 1: dick off chemically speaking.
Speaker 3: Number fifteen, have you ever outgrown defensive defensiveness? In his
Speaker 3: flip side Martyrdom sixteen? Can you understand and review your
Speaker 3: mind in all ways which remembers of the next level
Speaker 3: are sensitive? If you can, you have no excuse for
Speaker 3: not working on improving in all these times. Seventeen. When
Speaker 3: your teachers have asked someone to do a task and
Speaker 3: you relate to you, do you treat that task and
Speaker 3: it's deliverers with much respect as you would if it
Speaker 3: come directly from your teachers. So it's pretty interesting. But
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, well I need to get these
Speaker 3: steps to so that I can adequately cover the cult,
Speaker 3: you know, and do my show on them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, dude, I mean that's a that's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing, because I see a lot of that kind
Speaker 1: of what do they call that Meyer Briggs kind ofsh
Speaker 1: aspects to it.
Speaker 2: Personality exams, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, uh, how do you act? Like what
Speaker 3: do you think about.
Speaker 2: Do you you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah? What what kind of you know, clothes do
Speaker 3: you wear every day? Do you put do you make
Speaker 3: your bed at night? Like morning? Like?
Speaker 4: What's going on with you?
Speaker 3: Bro? You know? How many times do you flush the toilet?
Speaker 3: Do you do you only flush when you pooh? Or
Speaker 3: do you flush also when you pee? You know?
Speaker 4: Important things?
Speaker 1: They're trying, well, they're trying, you know, they're really trying
Speaker 1: to get down to the personalities of these folks and
Speaker 1: figure out how to get to them, you know, that
Speaker 1: way they can communicate their messages to whom I understand
Speaker 1: how they operate and think. But you know, through these
Speaker 1: psychological exams, it's it's dark. But I think that's what's
Speaker 1: going on there for sure. I mean, it's that's what
Speaker 1: it appears to me. So I'm trying to find that
Speaker 1: where that undercover stuff was on the matters of that
Speaker 1: comparison of or what the statements from the uh Luke
Speaker 1: Terra and the mabras statements about the Branch Davidians. But what, uh,
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on this comment about this upernova business.
Speaker 3: Well, I think maybe if that's true and what you're
Speaker 3: saying is true, that they made a comment about which
Speaker 3: I don't have any reason not to believe you, but
Speaker 3: because it was kind of commonly accepted before the trials
Speaker 3: that it was the Branch Davidians that were the ones
Speaker 3: that suff fire to the compound, but that's not that's
Speaker 3: not that's not accur So it could be a statement
Speaker 3: that was made by someone in the Order of the
Speaker 3: Solar Temple that thought that they were the ones that
Speaker 3: started the fire and ended up killing themselves, but that is.
Speaker 1: That could be conspective that way, they thought that they
Speaker 1: got beat to the punch because they thought these people
Speaker 1: did it. But my question on that, if that were
Speaker 1: the case, is what celestial event was going on around
Speaker 1: the time that they thought somebody else beat them to
Speaker 1: the punch. And I think that's you present a very
Speaker 1: logical situation or plausible situations.
Speaker 3: Because everybody, right, Yeah, people didn't want to believe that
Speaker 3: the FBI was the ones that you know, started the fires.
Speaker 1: For sure, but it seems to be these celestial things
Speaker 1: in the common common principle, right, the serious worship.
Speaker 2: Right. I don't know. I don't know enough about this
Speaker 2: supernova stuff.
Speaker 3: But bro, there's literally footage of FBI agents in the
Speaker 3: back of the building whenever the building is on fire,
Speaker 3: shooting guns into the back of the building. Bro.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, dude, I there's there's I've read all them
Speaker 1: pat con documents. In fact, I was doing I played
Speaker 1: a little bit of I was playing a little bit
Speaker 1: of mad Lebs with him a couple of weeks ago in
Speaker 1: Operation GC Live with my guest Jonah, trouble maker Jonah.
Speaker 1: But the Waco situation, to me is part of my
Speaker 1: ran Contra, and the whole pack coun stuff is all
Speaker 1: part of the same deal with the material assistance commands
Speaker 1: of Bill Coleby, who's all around the whole every auspices
Speaker 1: of this thing we call I ran Contra. This quote
Speaker 1: unquote octopus if you will that hopefully Jay Wider is
Speaker 1: not the leader. If I saw your show the other day,
Speaker 1: that Shay Wider might be the leader of the octopus.
Speaker 3: No, he's not the leader of the octopus. Just talking
Speaker 3: about the Danny Casteleiro octopus murders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that same kind of octopus stuff.
Speaker 1: That's the same concept that Castelara was developing, and it's
Speaker 1: the same network of situations. I think the Waco folks
Speaker 1: in this gun trade you're referencing, got somehow intertwined amongst
Speaker 1: the Iran quote unquote Iran cont gun trade that was
Speaker 1: operating out of what is known as in those pack
Speaker 1: on documents as well and the Iran Countra stuff Midwest Depot,
Speaker 1: which is a Air Force base in northern San Antonio.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you want to know more about the Waco situation
Speaker 3: and exactly what happened, there's this really good documentary that's
Speaker 3: called Waco The Rules of Engagement, and it breaks down
Speaker 3: everything that was happening. They have evidence and proof of
Speaker 3: flear video of how the fire started, when they started,
Speaker 3: how they all started in the different corner of the
Speaker 3: buildings where the where the FBI was putting in the gas, okay,
Speaker 3: and they all started simultaneously. And then they have flear
Speaker 3: footage of gunshots coming from tanks on the back of
Speaker 3: the building where people were trying to escape.
Speaker 1: No, and I think I think one of the I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a number of factors away into this,
Speaker 1: because again the same with the Silver Temple, they were
Speaker 1: doing gun stuff and all these other other things also.
Speaker 1: But when I think the same kind of the factors
Speaker 1: apply here with their gun stuff is kind of ties
Speaker 1: to these spooky operations and this Midwest Depot operations. Again,
Speaker 1: I think given the proximity of operations from the gun
Speaker 1: tray going on, I think it's very plausible that they
Speaker 1: may have been wrapped up in that stuff. And on
Speaker 1: that note, and my previous comment about how they the
Speaker 1: folks of the monitor these Wikipedia pages the sorts of
Speaker 1: all information on the interwebs, the reference of the Midwest
Speaker 1: Depot has been removed from the Wikipedia page of Camp Stanley.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, so Camp Stanley sits inside of an Air
Speaker 1: Force installation. It says it's an Army installation Leon Springs. Okay,
Speaker 1: it sits inside Camp Bullis, which is an Air Force installation,
Speaker 1: Camp BULLUS and and uh it's a CIA secret CIA weapons.
Speaker 1: The boat's been was used as early as the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: and I would argue through the past the Iran contry
Speaker 1: hearing's well through the nineties and possibly even today. So
Speaker 1: when you look at the gun trafficking. It's it's close proximity,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's it draws at least begs.
Speaker 1: The question is do these two things intersect?
Speaker 3: Well, the well how the investigation started on the order
Speaker 3: of the Solar Temple was that they thought that they
Speaker 3: were modifying weapons and this investigation came from their compound
Speaker 3: in Canada. So they luxurie of weapons, trafficking, weapons, dealing
Speaker 3: and modifying weapons in Canada. But that gave them then
Speaker 3: the jurisdiction to also investigate all of their other like compounds. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's really all that they needed, Just like all
Speaker 3: they needed for the Branch Davidians was a warrant to
Speaker 3: investigate under suspicion that they've rush was modifying and selling
Speaker 3: illegal weapons.
Speaker 1: Same deal with Randy Weaver or same narrative they gave
Speaker 1: with Randy Weaver and Riby Ridge, right, same playbook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't even think Randy Weaver even did it.
Speaker 3: I don't even think he did what they said that
Speaker 3: he did. They he didn't even presume them. What did
Speaker 3: they ask him to do, like modify a shotgun or
Speaker 3: something like that. I don't even think that he actually
Speaker 3: brought right, he just talked with an undercover agent about it.
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they kind didn't have to prove it after they
Speaker 1: went in their guns blazing and popping off his kid
Speaker 1: and his wife. So the guy that would negotiate that
Speaker 1: the we were to turn himself in, there would be
Speaker 1: uh Bo Grits and Bo Grits. According to the Packcund documents,
Speaker 1: it seems that Bo Grits was a undercover agent for
Speaker 1: the FBI.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also had uh the FB the negotiating FBI
Speaker 3: officer on my show that negotiated Waco with Dave Grosh
Speaker 3: no ship, Gary Knausner on my show, and he was
Speaker 3: also the h FBI. Well he wasn't on it, but
Speaker 3: he was supposed to be on the Ruby Ridge case too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of crossover in those operations
Speaker 1: from numerous law enforcement at f FBI and in Marshall's
Speaker 1: believe there's some cross over and all three of us
Speaker 1: from both operations.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's the game.
Speaker 2: Did he work with Arles Perry's husband, do you remember
Speaker 2: that narrative?
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with that one, but he's worked several hostage.
Speaker 1: Bruce Perry's a psychologist. His wife was murdered. She's the
Speaker 1: opening murder, and Maury Terry's the ultimate evil. Arles Perry's
Speaker 1: murdered in a church in Stanford in October twelfth, nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four.
Speaker 2: That's a total guest So, but Bruce Perry's her husband.
Speaker 1: He's going to Stanford as a doctor at the time
Speaker 1: and would later become this psychiatrist to these children in
Speaker 1: these events like Waco.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then also Waco, they tried to coax and
Speaker 3: coach the kids in the scene that they were abused
Speaker 3: in like Melani.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was this dude's role. Man, I
Speaker 1: think got to this guy, is that's what he was
Speaker 1: brought in to do. I don't he was. I don't
Speaker 1: know where he came in the process after during negotiations,
Speaker 1: after negotiations, so that I don't know that, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they tried to coax, coax and coach, coach and
Speaker 3: cox all these kids in the like, trying to have
Speaker 3: them say that they were beaten and abused and malnourished
Speaker 3: and all this, which is most of the kids that
Speaker 3: was at the Branch Davidian compound were mostly Dave Krushes. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I get those last names mixed up because you have Dave.
Speaker 2: Right, the UFO guy, and then you.
Speaker 3: Have davidsh Krush, which is the weako.
Speaker 2: Right ko R e Yes, isn't that weird? It strikingly fanatically,
Speaker 2: it's it's strikingly similar. No, I do. I think I
Speaker 2: think it's I like a lot of things are weird, right.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird that Bruce Perry doesn't mention anybody,
Speaker 1: his wife or the cultivate or them, but it's happy
Speaker 1: to come to these things with commitcing kids of things.
Speaker 2: Right, it's not it's not environment, it's non environment.
Speaker 3: And there's also this other documentary. I haven't watched it
Speaker 3: yet one I all I was bringing it up. It's
Speaker 3: called The Accus the Hamstead Pedophile Hoax.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm from vaguely familiar with that over there in
Speaker 2: the UK.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I don't really know too much about it
Speaker 3: because I haven't watched it, but it it's a documentary
Speaker 3: on Netflix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched something on a number of years back
Speaker 1: and I think they're I mean, I'd have to watch
Speaker 1: again to really offer my opinion on it, but to
Speaker 1: the best of my recollections, there was it was a
Speaker 1: lot of kind of this thing like with Bruce Perry,
Speaker 1: what we were just saying, like there's something that came
Speaker 1: in there and was convincing the kids otherwise, But there
Speaker 1: was actually objective evidence of a bus kind of deal.
Speaker 1: But I'd have to I'd have to revisit it to
Speaker 1: get the well desert rain saying it is all a hoax.
Speaker 2: I don't remember the ens and the outs of it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, there was definitely a hoax aspect to it.
Speaker 1: And I and I think it is these incidents where
Speaker 1: and again I don't remember the details. Seems like it
Speaker 1: seems like it's uh, the over the chat stand it's
Speaker 1: a hoax and uh and uh, it seems like it
Speaker 1: is these incidents we're all told to focus on, right,
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, I haven't seen that anything
Speaker 1: about it in years. But when you said, Hym said,
Speaker 1: I can immediately remember stuff because I feel like we're
Speaker 1: you know, we're rolled out specific instances like that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean to to weigh in on and
Speaker 1: focus on when we you know, I hadn't read about
Speaker 1: the order of the Solar temple before, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I hadn't connected I connected the earlier events I had
Speaker 1: never connected the ninety seven events, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So like we're distracted by a lot of
Speaker 1: set you know, whether a cold activity of a sexual
Speaker 1: abuse variety or were up you know, ancient Illian cardio
Speaker 1: cult variety, which usually are the same thing. Uh, it
Speaker 1: just seems like that we're rolled out very specific things
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. Well, this is a far more
Speaker 1: widespread issue, and it seems like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: comparisons between all these things across distant same time.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, there's another one that's really interesting that's involves kids,
Speaker 3: which is the school UFO event in Zimbabwe. Are you
Speaker 3: familiar with this one thing? It's called the Aerial Aerial
Speaker 3: school maybe type in aerial school UFO event.
Speaker 1: What way to what a great place to do with there,
Speaker 1: right Zimbabwe? They've not you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like going to those South Pacific islands. They never seen
Speaker 1: an aircraft drop off cargo. It creates an entire religion,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean, exactly exactly these people don't know what
Speaker 3: what what's actually going on?
Speaker 2: This is ninety four h.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So apparently it's like so John Mack was involved
Speaker 3: in this case and John Mac is a UFO investigator,
Speaker 3: is widely known for investigating UFOs also you know, being
Speaker 3: popular and the regression side of stuff. So he flies
Speaker 3: over to Zimbabwe after he hears about these kids seeing
Speaker 3: this craft outside of the school and these entities come
Speaker 3: out of the craft and supposedly all the kids seeing
Speaker 3: the craft and seeing the entities get out of the think.
Speaker 3: So then John Mac shows up, and John Mack screws
Speaker 3: up and he decides to interview all the kids in
Speaker 3: one lump song yep, okay, So he just gets all
Speaker 3: the kids, gathers all of them.
Speaker 1: Right, all the sixty two pupils.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he interviews all of them in a group.
Speaker 2: Right, all at once, all of one. You have a
Speaker 2: little like red.
Speaker 1: Device from Men in Black, You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that Will Smith little laser device.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean.
Speaker 1: Almost kind of environment you're painting in that kind of
Speaker 1: environment where you get you're collecting everybody there to either
Speaker 1: erase their memories or insert something into their memories.
Speaker 3: It sounds like, right, Well, that's the thing. That's why
Speaker 3: you don't interview everybody all at one time and in
Speaker 3: one master, because one person can say that they've seen
Speaker 3: something and then that's going to convince all the other
Speaker 3: people that they also seen the same thing. It's like
Speaker 3: the do you remember the I forget what it's an.
Speaker 1: Extreme there's probably some hypnosis going on there right, Like
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, put everybody there, that's what That's
Speaker 1: what I meant by the little red you know, I
Speaker 1: was using that more figuratively and as a joke. But
Speaker 1: you know that that way, you do some sort of
Speaker 1: hypnotic situation with the whole group and you can convince
Speaker 1: them all the same thing. It almost reminds me of
Speaker 1: that last Wes Anderson film, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the with the UFO.
Speaker 4: Did you ever see that one the West Center or someone?
Speaker 1: Yes, Star City or Astro City or something like that,
Speaker 1: is they had an alien encounter, but then they were like,
Speaker 1: you know, they had a whole group of people trying
Speaker 1: to hypnotize them that they didn't see a kind of
Speaker 1: deal where it sounds like this one they're hypnotizing them
Speaker 1: that they did see it.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to look up this test where someone in
Speaker 3: the chat might know a test I'm talking about. I'll
Speaker 3: just explain it and then maybe you can try and
Speaker 3: look it up. But it's a test where they would
Speaker 3: bring one person into a room, right, and there would
Speaker 3: have six other people that were like that knew that
Speaker 3: they were being a part of the test and that
Speaker 3: they were going to say a specific answer, right, And
Speaker 3: then they would have like a chart or something, and
Speaker 3: then they would be like, okay, well tell me what
Speaker 3: line is higher on the chart than the other line.
Speaker 3: And then the six people that knew what was going
Speaker 3: on said that the taller line was shorter than the
Speaker 3: actual legitimate smaller line exactly. But every single time it
Speaker 3: convinces the person that didn't know what was going on
Speaker 3: that the taller line was actually shorter than the smaller line.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: The Ash conformity experiments there as we're to be that's it. Now,
Speaker 1: that's a great point writer you You you explained as well,
Speaker 1: how folks, you know, adapt to these these things regardless
Speaker 1: of they their own senses tell them otherwise. There's instances
Speaker 1: that they folks find themselves into where they're conforming to
Speaker 1: groups in this nature.
Speaker 3: And they did this ash conformity experiment so many times, bro,
Speaker 3: and it worked every single time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, folks are malleable, right, I mean, look at the
Speaker 1: Milgrim experience, right, They could easily get folks to electro
Speaker 1: shock folks even though there was no electro shock. But
Speaker 1: they the person applying the electro shock thought they were
Speaker 1: killing people. They they knew they were giving the level
Speaker 1: of shock to kill the person. They thought they were shocking.
Speaker 1: But they were doing so many because someone was telling
Speaker 1: them to do it. An white lap kip.
Speaker 3: An authority figure, a doctor was telling them that it
Speaker 3: was okay, so they continued to do it.
Speaker 1: Folks can be subjected to these these these you know,
Speaker 1: these circumstances, and they're malible to conform to the in
Speaker 1: these natures.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you get somebody like this whole group where they're
Speaker 1: trying to convince everyone they saw a UFO versus what
Speaker 1: Wes Anderson there, they were trying to get everyone. They
Speaker 1: got a whole group of folks together trying to like
Speaker 1: hypnotize them and to convince them. They didn't see it
Speaker 1: the alien in the UFO, right, But we're saying in
Speaker 1: the Zimbabwe thing, it's kind of the same deal. But
Speaker 1: I think it's it is that understanding of the mallible
Speaker 1: nature of conformity and the inso you know the psychological
Speaker 1: operation aspect that that you could I think this is plausible.
Speaker 1: I mean that you just you go to a place
Speaker 1: that doesn't know aircraft at all, you know, you'd fly
Speaker 1: something over there. You get all these folks together, these
Speaker 1: these six to twelve year old kids, right, and then
Speaker 1: forty years from now they're telling their grandchildren children grandchildren, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we saw this UFO and then suddenly this
Speaker 1: whole culture and war beguns right.
Speaker 3: Yep, all while they are responsible for the entire mythology,
Speaker 3: and they knew that it was bogus all from the jump,
Speaker 3: but it's snowballed so far out of control.
Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like what you're describing with the Air
Speaker 1: Force program, right.
Speaker 3: That they just could not put a lid back on
Speaker 3: it anymore. And then you have these two very well
Speaker 3: respected people that is running arrow, doctor Sean Kapatrick, and
Speaker 3: the I forget what the other guy's name was, but
Speaker 3: that are doing these reports and it is coming on
Speaker 3: and saying that all this stuff is military stuff. It's all. Uh.
Speaker 3: The Pentagon is the ones that are responsible for making
Speaker 3: this garbage up. And people still aren't gonna believe it
Speaker 3: because they're convinced that aliens are real, aliens have been here,
Speaker 3: that they're visiting us, that there's alien bases.
Speaker 2: Right, But you know, I think I think.
Speaker 3: It's gone unchecked for so long. It's gone unchecked for right, all.
Speaker 2: Right, And and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If we compared to that Zimbab that's a great reference
Speaker 1: when you gave with that Zimbabwe situation, because if that
Speaker 1: was to go unchecked for so long, we can we'd
Speaker 1: see where it is now, to see how it's evolved.
Speaker 1: Even within that that incident. I'm sure there's a culture
Speaker 1: that's going on around it. So it has gone so
Speaker 1: unchecked from now and it's and it's promoted in well
Speaker 1: financed though too, right with the History Channel and sorry,
Speaker 1: the Ancient Aliens Cargo Cult channel aka the History Channel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been a part of the plan since the
Speaker 3: very beginning, I mean, and then now it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what they say, right because they've caused so much confusion
Speaker 3: and so many different theories that have popped up since
Speaker 3: all this stuff has went down, that it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what they say.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, dude, for sure.
Speaker 1: And it seems like on top of the well financed situations,
Speaker 1: and you know, the government operations around these things. Again,
Speaker 1: the spooky Cargo cult and Sheil and Cargo cult stuff
Speaker 1: keeps round, you know, popping their ugly heads. And it's
Speaker 1: always the same composition of people. You see, the Grace
Speaker 1: Kelly element of society versus the you know, the lower
Speaker 1: rungs from you know, they would consider them. Again, I
Speaker 1: think there's something to be said about these quote unquote
Speaker 1: elite folks that are recruiting folks that they considered lower
Speaker 1: class to apparently richly human sacrifice because you know, while
Speaker 1: Grace Kelly meets an untimely demise, that seems with the
Speaker 1: you know, the possible of that cult being involved, she
Speaker 1: didn't die in the mass suicides, right, I mean what
Speaker 1: I'm saying you never see those that level of You
Speaker 1: don't see the what was it the Princess of Oxenburg,
Speaker 1: who's part of the next seem cult.
Speaker 2: You don't see her, you know, getting branded and you know,
Speaker 2: mk ultured.
Speaker 1: You know, it just seems like there's a there's a
Speaker 1: there's even a class you know, system or cast as
Speaker 1: within these cults.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hierarchical structure, just like that the entities,
Speaker 3: uh you know, is going to come and save humanity.
Speaker 3: That's going to save us from this big natural disaster,
Speaker 3: that's going to fix all this stuff. We just got
Speaker 3: to get in contact with them, and then they'll come
Speaker 3: and save us from ourselves. They claim that those entities
Speaker 3: and those beings are also in like a hierarchical structure
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm asched together Katherine Oxenburg
Speaker 1: and Prince whatever princess she's from into the one Princess
Speaker 1: of Oxenburg. That's Prince Andrew and King Charles's first cousin,
Speaker 1: I believe, possibly second cousin. Now it's first cousin first. Yes,
Speaker 1: In's Black Book, she and her daughter are part of
Speaker 1: the cult. Now, I think her daughter did get part,
Speaker 1: she got brought in. I think the deal I think
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't know if she got the you know,
Speaker 1: the full blown you know branding right, but that her
Speaker 1: mother allegedly quit the cult and allegedly saves her. Speaking
Speaker 1: of folks who got brandings, not uh and the the
Speaker 1: the widespread nature of I think these ancient alien car
Speaker 1: cultists their their power and finances behind it. Stormy Daniels
Speaker 1: I would argue was a member of the nex cult
Speaker 1: in the DS their upper euchline of sex slaves. You
Speaker 1: famib with Stormy Daniels, remember her from the Russia Gates stuff.
Speaker 2: She literally tweeted it out.
Speaker 3: Pale from Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she literally tweeted out back. Well there's I mean,
Speaker 1: there could be a lot to be said about connections
Speaker 1: there because Roger Stone got hired as a lobbyist for Nexium.
Speaker 1: So but uh uh Stormy Daniels literally tweeted out back
Speaker 1: in my twenty eleven yo, yo, folks, are you know? Yo, peeps,
Speaker 1: I got I just joined a cult, you know. And
Speaker 1: then later she gets a tattoo to cover up what
Speaker 1: looks to be ADS branding right on her navel where
Speaker 1: the rest of the sex Slaves get the the Keithniery
Speaker 1: and Alison mac branding. So it seems like she may
Speaker 1: have been a member of Nexium.
Speaker 2: Possibly still is because that cult. All these cults continue
Speaker 2: right or the Order of the Solar Temple, the Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Branch Davidians are up to
Speaker 2: these days, but I assure you the Nexium thrives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like they just rebrand, rename, go further underground.
Speaker 3: If they get more popularity than what they're used to,
Speaker 3: if they get wide media attention, it is rebranded and
Speaker 3: go deeper and further underground so that their activity is
Speaker 3: and they have a very devoted following. Ultra super Mega Secret.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, and I think a lot of times again,
Speaker 1: I don't think these people are brilliant. I think again,
Speaker 1: as I was explaining that they're trying to achieve goals,
Speaker 1: like the folks in that Pacific island doing these ritual dances,
Speaker 1: trying to give the g I. Joe planes to come back,
Speaker 1: fly over and drop them new more food and supplies.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many wooden aircraft replicas they build.
Speaker 1: If there's these you know, god crafts that drop the
Speaker 1: stuff to them, and these South Pacific cargo cults that
Speaker 1: formed after the World War Two, it doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: many times they dance or how many times they build
Speaker 1: these crafts.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The people that are making these decisions when when they're
Speaker 1: rolling these things up and bearing them under you know,
Speaker 1: auspices of national security, it seems with some of these cults, right, so,
Speaker 1: it just seems like these are just one fuck up
Speaker 1: after one fuck up. Right, these are people that are
Speaker 1: trying to achieve goals that aren't achievable. They're out here
Speaker 1: dancing around trying to get gi Jo to drop more supplies.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. You know, like their actions
Speaker 1: and activities, we try to make reasonable sense out of it, right,
Speaker 1: We're like, well, that doesn't make a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: but like I assure you, like their decision making ability
Speaker 1: should be questioned.
Speaker 3: Lucy says, this fact that the Heaven's Skate Coat is
Speaker 3: still up and running is what are well the website
Speaker 3: that was a whole ordeal from the very beginning. Two
Speaker 3: people were to be spared, Oh I get balloons.
Speaker 4: Peace.
Speaker 2: That they have its gated? Do they bropen balloons on us?
Speaker 3: Chinese spa balloons? Bro, But two people were to be
Speaker 3: spared from joining the extraterrestrials on the ship into the
Speaker 3: next evolutionary level above human in order to continue to
Speaker 3: carry the message of Marshall apple White and the Heaven's.
Speaker 2: Gate cult right, keep the mission going.
Speaker 3: So the website is still the exact same website as
Speaker 3: it was in the late nineties. Nothing has changed. It's
Speaker 3: been preserved, and that was supposed to be. These two
Speaker 3: people's mission being left behind on Earth was to continue
Speaker 3: to run the website and respond to emails and any questions.
Speaker 2: I think recruits.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they got to recruit at some point,
Speaker 1: even like if someone called them and wrote them and
Speaker 1: like you did, and they run the back like, hey,
Speaker 1: I like your seventeen rules or whatever?
Speaker 2: Can I join? Like, I'm sure they wouldn't say.
Speaker 3: Now they have said no. They said no several times.
Speaker 3: They are really yeah. Yeah, people have reached out to
Speaker 3: them like that.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, maybe maybe there's more esoteric entrances into
Speaker 1: their into their cult.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might have to do some other things, but no.
Speaker 1: You gotta chot your dick off and you gotta show
Speaker 1: up there and show them it's gone. You like, look, look,
Speaker 1: I'm a Unich. Can I get in?
Speaker 3: Have you had it?
Speaker 4: A old move?
Speaker 2: It's a bold move. I understand, I understand.
Speaker 4: Do you have both of your balls?
Speaker 3: Kind sir?
Speaker 1: You're out of here, buddy, You don't qualify. That's too good.
Speaker 1: So here's that quote before I forget. I found that
Speaker 1: quote about I like your your theory and where how
Speaker 1: may this quote may be construed? I think is a
Speaker 1: good one, the order of the Solar Temple being relative
Speaker 1: to a Branch Davidian business. That is so it was
Speaker 1: from this this is the quote I'll read in a second,
Speaker 1: but it's from this thing called our terrestrial journey is
Speaker 1: coming to an end, the last voyage of the Solar Temple,
Speaker 1: which was some sort of scholarly effort back from nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine into the matter. So, and the quote is
Speaker 1: see sometime in early nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2: It says that in a tape likely.
Speaker 1: Dating to early ninety four, Giray and the Demandbro discussed
Speaker 1: the Waco siege, saying that the Branch Davidians had quote
Speaker 1: unquote beaten us to the punch, with Demandbro telling Giray
Speaker 1: that what we'll do will be even more spectacular. So,
Speaker 1: I don't know scraunchs for the research. I just thought
Speaker 1: that was the first time I'd ever even seen those
Speaker 1: two things connected, because they're ninety their ninety four thing, right,
Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, ninety three, right? So when was their
Speaker 1: first suicide? Now again in ninety three, right, I keep
Speaker 1: getting that confused. Ninety three in Switzerland, he said, right,
Speaker 1: this was ninety four, This was this was not their
Speaker 1: first one. I don't think this is the ninety four one.
Speaker 1: That's when that that's when the that's when the leaders died.
Speaker 1: There was one before the leaders died though.
Speaker 3: Right, No, I don't think so this one was the
Speaker 3: first one, was the one where the leaders died, and
Speaker 3: then the other two came.
Speaker 2: You're right, ye.
Speaker 1: Five in France, you know, and then ninety seven can
Speaker 1: do you? So this is well after, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't know what the celestial events
Speaker 1: may be. I mean, it's something I'll look into, I suppose,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, it's always serious with these
Speaker 1: people though, so I feel like there's something has to
Speaker 1: be serious adjacent or relative to these dates that even
Speaker 1: the dates they chose, right, you know, the dates saying
Speaker 1: she's choosing anyway, right.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what they saw.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Waco has any relations.
Speaker 3: That the aliens from the Serious Star system was going
Speaker 3: to come and save them. So then you need to
Speaker 3: transfer over into the next life.
Speaker 1: And that kind of comes from that theosophy I am
Speaker 1: backgrounds right, they're both doing the Serious star warship.
Speaker 3: Right, Sirious Sodern.
Speaker 1: Mormons love sirious they got, they got you know, their
Speaker 1: god col Their god lives on colab next to the star, sirius.
Speaker 3: What's the other Venus Mars? A lot of the cults,
Speaker 3: I would say that Jesus was from Venus, and Krishna
Speaker 3: was from Venus, and but Buddha was from our like
Speaker 3: they have like all these.
Speaker 1: Is that Venus worship as a result of Venus being
Speaker 1: you know in the night sky. You think, you know,
Speaker 1: relative to like the whole kind of concepts around the
Speaker 1: you know, the why Lucifer is the falling star relative
Speaker 1: to the celestial worship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why people believe that the morning star is
Speaker 3: actually Venus. But I don't believe that that's the case.
Speaker 3: I think that the morning star is the brightest star
Speaker 3: in the sky that rises every single freaking day and
Speaker 3: sets every single freaking night. That's the morning star is
Speaker 3: the sun?
Speaker 4: Right, it makes more way more.
Speaker 2: I'm tracking. I'm just looking up some gates and whenever.
Speaker 3: You think of you know, the you know sun god
Speaker 3: worship and how Jesus, the son of God su in
Speaker 3: not o in the sun gives us life.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir no, I'm tracking now.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's where a lot of this
Speaker 1: stuff comes from because it is the It's the bear
Speaker 1: of life, right, I mean, that's where the Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: folks worship that, that aspect of the sky rant with
Speaker 1: the things that provide them life? Uh dude, So what
Speaker 1: what were they going to?
Speaker 2: New series?
Speaker 1: So it says it was the Heaven's Gate was going
Speaker 1: to a higher level of existence, like you're saying specifically
Speaker 1: for a planet near series?
Speaker 2: Is it? Cob?
Speaker 1: Were they doing Mormon stuff? And I didn't even realize it?
Speaker 3: And then they traveled around everywhere to figure out everything,
Speaker 3: So they definitely could have incorporated some Morning belief systems
Speaker 3: into the foundation of their cult.
Speaker 2: No, I think.
Speaker 1: So, you know, I like that's the way. I like
Speaker 1: the way you frame that with your cult burritos. You
Speaker 1: you frame that as that's what all these cults do, right,
Speaker 1: They go around to pick up the ones they want,
Speaker 1: the concepts and principles from other cults, and they're like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it this way though, right in their
Speaker 1: own form of brito.
Speaker 3: Huh yeah, good old called Burrito bro.
Speaker 1: So most of the Holy Rollers came from this colt,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, most of the Heaven's Gate came from this cult,
Speaker 1: the Holy Rollers.
Speaker 2: So when we're talking about we're talking about these.
Speaker 3: Things, the Holy Rollers out of the state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is an interesting tale. So they got
Speaker 1: banished out of Corvellous Oregon ring or Corvallis orgon right.
Speaker 3: That's where the Heaven's Gate Colts first meeting was was
Speaker 3: in Oregon.
Speaker 1: So what happens is and this is this is let
Speaker 1: me just say how I got here before we go
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole here real quick. So I took
Speaker 1: an analysis some big fan of Dave McGowan's work took
Speaker 1: an analysis of his weird scenes inside the Canyon.
Speaker 2: You know, I heard I heard of my podcast years ago.
Speaker 1: Someone some host asked them, why don't you apply these
Speaker 1: same principles and concepts to you know, the grunge music scene,
Speaker 1: And he said, well, that's not my scene. And he'said
Speaker 1: I was a big fan of the hippie scene. I
Speaker 1: was like, well, shit, I'm a big fan of the
Speaker 1: grun scene. I'm a big fan of this book.
Speaker 2: I'll do that.
Speaker 1: I'll apply the principles of this book to the grun scene.
Speaker 1: And they're fucking identical first and foremost. So I you
Speaker 1: know that series I do here on operations GCD. I
Speaker 1: go over some of those details and I call it
Speaker 1: weird scene or I'm sorry, smells like Laurel Canyon, you know,
Speaker 1: smells like teen Spirit Nirvana, but weird scenes inside of
Speaker 1: the canyon. So in doing that research, I was just
Speaker 1: looking at the history of Pike's Place and I discovered
Speaker 1: that the Heaven's Gate cult had bought a brick and
Speaker 1: when they redid renovations of Pike Place, and like I
Speaker 1: think around the early eighties, they you know, they five
Speaker 1: hundred bucks wherever you sponsored the you know, they put
Speaker 1: your name on a brick type of deal there in
Speaker 1: Pike's Place Market in Seattle. The brick they purchased, though,
Speaker 1: was the site of this guy's murder, strangely enough, Edmund
Speaker 1: Craffield And in nine was it nineteen seventy two, like
Speaker 1: you were saying, that's where they went to go recruit everybody.
Speaker 2: So these folks, this cult gets.
Speaker 1: Banished from Corvallis in the nineteen thirties, I think, and
Speaker 1: then they get banished to a city or on the coastline.
Speaker 1: And it's that city on the coastline that Marshall apple
Speaker 1: White and his nurse from that mental facility in Texas,
Speaker 1: make a bee line two from Texas to go recruit
Speaker 1: their cult. They rent out the conference room in the
Speaker 1: local hotel, but the most of that town is comprised
Speaker 1: of the descendants of this cult right here, the Holy Rollers.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, yeah, dude, So it paints like
Speaker 1: this weird narrative, like we're saying like there's these kind
Speaker 1: of you know, these connecting princips between these cults and
Speaker 1: then they continue to be ongoing despite cult leaders dying.
Speaker 1: Little shit, dude, there seems like it'd be like a
Speaker 1: whole lineage of some of these colts, like the like
Speaker 1: those guys, so the Holy Roller or Heaven's Gate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird, right, Like, why what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the whole aspect of apple White and uh and his
Speaker 1: nurse being the leaving a mental institution even start the thing?
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's the whole contention of this thing, is
Speaker 3: that Bonnie Nuttles meets Marshall apple White, but they never
Speaker 3: verified exactly how they met, right, with varying stories on
Speaker 3: how they met. Marshall has said several like given different
Speaker 3: explanations each time he talked about the story. One time,
Speaker 3: it was that he was visiting a friend in a hospital.
Speaker 3: Bonnie Nettles was a nurse at the hospital. That's how
Speaker 3: they met and that's how they connected. Another version of
Speaker 3: the story is that he was in a mental institution
Speaker 3: where Bonnie Nettles was a nurse and that's how they
Speaker 3: met up.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, can we not get exactly what
Speaker 3: it like? How can you not?
Speaker 2: How is that you guys don't know how you met exactly.
Speaker 3: It's weird. But Bonnie no convinced them of a lot
Speaker 3: of this stuff, right.
Speaker 1: You beat me to the puncher that was big of
Speaker 1: beaten folks of the punch between the Order of the
Speaker 1: Solar Temple and the Branch Davidians. You beat me to
Speaker 1: the punch there because she seemed like a handler, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the one that was like, yeah, we were
Speaker 3: We would have been together since you were g We're
Speaker 3: the two candlesticks from the Book of Revelation. You were
Speaker 3: Jesus in a past life. I was Mary Magdalene. We've
Speaker 3: been together for centuries and now that we're back together,
Speaker 3: we got to get our followers together, like, oh.
Speaker 1: I know, right, Like you go back to the reincarnated
Speaker 1: lives and all these things that they always do. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: Saint Germaine, I don't think in that circumstance, but it's
Speaker 1: just the same in the same respect, I guess I got.
Speaker 1: I got a quick video here on the Heaven's gay
Speaker 1: recruitment here. Let's uh, let's watch this real fast.
Speaker 2: They never asked us to give them anything. They just
Speaker 2: asked us to deal with ourselves.
Speaker 5: Robert Rubin first noticed that message on posters around town.
Speaker 5: Posters also about UFOs, aliens and life at a new level.
Speaker 6: They use the analogy up the butterfly, from the caterpillar
Speaker 6: to the cocoon to the butterfly, and they said that
Speaker 6: human beings were like that, and we had to we
Speaker 6: could go through a change and get to the next level.
Speaker 5: The message came from a couple self named the Two,
Speaker 5: Marshall Applewhite and his wife Bonnie Nettles. Ruben and fifteen
Speaker 5: other Wallport residents joined the two, gave away their belongings
Speaker 5: and disappeared to travel the west.
Speaker 6: You know, we went around trying to get more so.
Speaker 1: Those people that joined were descendants of that Holy rollers
Speaker 1: Colt and I almost feel like there was some sort
Speaker 1: of message to Nettles.
Speaker 2: And apple White that they would were to go to
Speaker 2: that town to recruit out of that golt.
Speaker 3: And if you probably continued listening to that interview, he
Speaker 3: would say that the first whenever he went into the
Speaker 3: place in Oregon and met them for the first time,
Speaker 3: it would be like that he was setting next to
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. And like Mary Magdalene, I.
Speaker 1: Find that y are to believe a circumstance where I
Speaker 1: would ever be sitting next to Marshall apple Way and
Speaker 1: think of him anything other than looking like a crazy hobo.
Speaker 4: He's got some crazy dude.
Speaker 1: He never never even in them older pictures, he don't
Speaker 1: look great, you know what I mean. As a younger man,
Speaker 1: No bro, he'd look like, oh dude, Yeah, As I
Speaker 1: was saying, we don't know when that exactly occurred, maybe
Speaker 1: he had that for a while.
Speaker 2: He was just trying to make everyone else match him, right.
Speaker 1: So I really do enjoy the questions you asked around
Speaker 1: if we can kind of shift over to some JFK stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't like the questions.
Speaker 1: You you present there in your documentary, and I'd like
Speaker 1: to discuss some of that stuff. You know, and you know,
Speaker 1: get in a little bit of that, But what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts in all the ancient cargo cult connections to
Speaker 1: the JFK situation with you know.
Speaker 2: The whole you know, the sands of the nine, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you have you ever gotten too much into that
Speaker 1: relative to the the lineage of those how that connects
Speaker 1: to those JFK bis deard Rain.
Speaker 3: I think Marshall Applewhite was gay. I think so too,
Speaker 3: Desert Rain, and that's probably why he tried to convince
Speaker 3: everybody to be androgynous. All were of the same thing.
Speaker 3: Have the women cut their hair short, men cut their beards.
Speaker 3: Because he was ashamed of being gay. He didn't want
Speaker 3: to come out and say, oh guess what, guys, I'm gay,
Speaker 3: so I'm going to make you all conform to everything that.
Speaker 3: I mean, what he was having his followers doing is
Speaker 3: kind of what has played out in the past ten
Speaker 3: years in reality.
Speaker 1: As far as the eunuchs and the transitionings and the
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that goes back to cargo
Speaker 1: cold ideals. And I think we can bring up a
Speaker 1: good point because you look at a lot of this
Speaker 1: transgender business seems to be wholly adapted in the neo
Speaker 1: process theologies, which I would argue is in other ancient
Speaker 1: alien cargo cult, not simply as it's an offshoot of scientology.
Speaker 1: We're part of scientology for that matter. But they embrace
Speaker 1: all trans business.
Speaker 2: Right. It seems to be going hand in hand, it does.
Speaker 3: I mean that seems to be like the whole thing.
Speaker 3: And then when you look at the way that they
Speaker 3: were all and he also renamed all the people too.
Speaker 3: He gave them different names. He combined the first three
Speaker 3: or four letters of the name with the with odie.
Speaker 3: So your name, if you were in the Heaven's Gate
Speaker 3: Call would be Jodi Ryotil.
Speaker 2: You got to get a haircut, you got to get
Speaker 2: a new name.
Speaker 1: That's these are these are your simple cult rules, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's basic stuff.
Speaker 3: Right, And what do we want to do now? We
Speaker 3: want to rename ourselves, name ourselves. We want to make
Speaker 3: ourselves different genders. It's almost like the Heaven's Gate Call
Speaker 3: was a giant experiment proto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a proto, like a field test, right, you
Speaker 1: know you know what I mean, Like you didn't roll
Speaker 1: out of new product, you gotta field test that product, right,
Speaker 1: or multiple field tests across various different markets. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying when the order of the solar temple
Speaker 1: situation too, right, Like if McDonald's wants to roll out
Speaker 1: of new menu item, they put it, they put one
Speaker 1: in like you know, they got an east coast market
Speaker 1: they test, and they got the east side, midwest, the Columbus,
Speaker 1: they got the west side midwest of Kansas City.
Speaker 2: And I think the San Diego.
Speaker 1: Market is what they're a large West coast market for
Speaker 1: test beds for for just like fast food stuff for example. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that they got a test market for this
Speaker 1: for this stuff too, right. Maybe it's San Diego, Maybe
Speaker 1: it's French, you know at Quebec, maybe it's ever in
Speaker 1: France Land and in Switzerland.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They you know, they get they got to diversify their portfolios,
Speaker 1: if you will.
Speaker 3: But then when you look at like Jim Jones as well,
Speaker 3: you can find tons of connections there between Jim Jones
Speaker 3: and the sea and that being a giant. Yeah, CIA operation,
Speaker 3: the mind control for.
Speaker 2: Sure, for sure. Yeah, these things go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: We often I think they're often described sometimes even by
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're self and myself here, but they often
Speaker 1: described separately, but I think there are many respects the
Speaker 1: same same with this comment. They're by your favorite uncle,
Speaker 1: thank you, sir. Trans ideology to Baphoan worship as well.
Speaker 1: So this is a major figure the neo process movement
Speaker 1: was Genesis Porch there and as we're saying, you're not
Speaker 1: even just transgenderedism, the elimination of gender, this androgynoist nature.
Speaker 2: But he went ahead and got some breast in plants.
Speaker 1: I don't think he locked his dick off, at least
Speaker 1: not by any public declaration, you know, like when Bruce
Speaker 1: Jenner was offended when Barbara Walters asked him if he
Speaker 1: chopped his dick off. You know, I don't think there
Speaker 1: was any incident like that with old Genesis here. But nonetheless, uh,
Speaker 1: the Satanic Temple appears to be a you know, a
Speaker 1: process and all shoot and you know, by their own
Speaker 1: accords and their own statements and their own websites, process
Speaker 1: dot org being one of them, the pie scope being
Speaker 1: other evidence of that. But it is is them that
Speaker 1: they use that They've used the bathrome symbols their you know,
Speaker 1: their main logo, and I think that is once again
Speaker 1: representation of what we're seeing with Genesis Pures, they're in
Speaker 1: the same same ideals and concepts that we see permeating
Speaker 1: through a lot of these anciently and cargo cults since
Speaker 1: Heaven's Gate, since the test market.
Speaker 3: Right, let me see that carried out into the Love
Speaker 3: as One cult as well, where it's almost identically to
Speaker 3: the Heaven's Gate cult, but it's more. But it's just
Speaker 3: one individual, you know, like where she's like, whenever I die,
Speaker 3: I'm going to ascend into the fifth dimension. I am
Speaker 3: God reincarnated. I am that.
Speaker 1: I am right. There's you know, these ideas doing what's
Speaker 1: that I said?
Speaker 3: I am as?
Speaker 1: I am well these ideas, I mean they do you
Speaker 1: have a very again, speaking of the marketing, the psychological operations,
Speaker 1: I do think that these are well orchestrated and crafted things.
Speaker 1: There's a comment there about none of these cults being organic.
Speaker 1: I agree with that these are frameworks and playbooks. The
Speaker 1: reason we could compare these things is because there's a framework,
Speaker 1: there's a psychological operation and a playbook that is being
Speaker 1: played out here that they know is successful.
Speaker 2: And why change the recipe? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, If it works, it works, continue to do.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: In regards to you know, all of the other alien
Speaker 1: ancient alien cargo cult stuff around. JFK, what what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on those connections with the Nine to that
Speaker 1: to that business.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about the the what do they call
Speaker 3: the not the Order of Nine but the Council of Nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's seance that went want. It went on in
Speaker 1: Maine in nineteen fifty two and connects to the Ruth
Speaker 1: Paine Forbes situation, right with the Bell helicopters and Ruth Payne,
Speaker 1: who's putting up Lee Harvey Oswald's wife, right, you know,
Speaker 1: it's connects to that through her, you know, through her
Speaker 1: through the pains there, Ruth Payne, young wife of Arthur Young.
Speaker 2: Ruth Payne was her uh step daughter in law.
Speaker 3: Well, I know that supposedly JFK was taking LSD at
Speaker 3: the White House.
Speaker 2: With yeah, with Mary pinchow Meyer.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, some people say Mary pinchow Meyer, others say
Speaker 3: that it was Marilyn Monroe. It could have been both of.
Speaker 2: Them, probably both, right, probably both.
Speaker 1: I mean Mary pincham Meyer was a good friend with
Speaker 1: Timothy Leary, so she seems like she's probably just introduced
Speaker 1: it to a lot of folks, right.
Speaker 3: And was married to the head of the CIA cordmyre.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, But here in your documentary you present evidence
Speaker 1: that we don't really know what went down there daily
Speaker 1: clause as far as we don't even know that the
Speaker 1: JFK died from all appearances, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's uh, there's a splice in the Zbruder film
Speaker 3: where right before the limousine goes behind the Stimmens Freeway sign,
Speaker 3: there's uh, I believe five frames missing from the Zubruder film.
Speaker 3: In JFK Acts, we see that there's something on the
Speaker 3: side of JFK's face whenever it emerges from behind the
Speaker 3: Stimmens Freeway sign. There's something that's like glistening on his
Speaker 3: cheek that wasn't there before. And whenever it goes off,
Speaker 3: the side of his face explodes and then like this
Speaker 3: thing just like rolls up the side of his face,
Speaker 3: almost like you know those blinds, you know, those old
Speaker 3: school blinds were that you would just like tug down
Speaker 3: on and then it would just shoot up and like
Speaker 3: roll right up to the top of the window. Yep,
Speaker 3: that's what it looks like on the side of JFK's face.
Speaker 1: It's just like like a like a bad effect right,
Speaker 1: like a bad special effect.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, it just rolls up the time.
Speaker 1: Not now right, like not under the scrutiny you all
Speaker 1: did with the film, right putting it through the you know,
Speaker 1: the the processes you all put it through to scrutinize it.
Speaker 3: And it's glistening and it's shining in the sunlight. Uh,
Speaker 3: the autopsy photos do not show a shot to the
Speaker 3: side of the head. It shows a shot to the
Speaker 3: back of the head, in the back. So the autops
Speaker 3: photos don't even line up with what we see in
Speaker 3: the Zubruder film.
Speaker 1: Right, they don't comport whatsoever, do they? And then and
Speaker 1: that that obviously is one one huge red flag. But
Speaker 1: then on top of this, the comparative evidence like that,
Speaker 1: I thought some of the you know, some of the
Speaker 1: telling evidence you'll be presented was the use of like
Speaker 1: some block squibs or something.
Speaker 3: They're going on, right, Well, then you also had a
Speaker 3: Dallas police officer named JD. Tippett that was murdered that day,
Speaker 3: a supposedly by Oswald. Why do I keep getting balloons
Speaker 3: whenever I do comes up?
Speaker 2: Or like the Chinese digital spy balloons, they're there after you.
Speaker 3: Bro, They're trying to get me with these balloons.
Speaker 2: Do it again?
Speaker 3: Let me give the air quotes, peace, give me the
Speaker 3: balloons again, stream yard. But there was a person named JD.
Speaker 3: Tippet that was murdered on the day. Uh. But supposedly
Speaker 3: JFK was shot and assassinated. Right, that looks almost identical
Speaker 3: to JFK. And he was shot in the exact same
Speaker 3: places that is shown in JFK's autopsy, but in the
Speaker 3: back of the head and in the.
Speaker 1: Back, yeah, and hit. The sort of his murder is
Speaker 1: super questionable, right, And j D.
Speaker 3: Tippett is a spitting image of JFK. He almost looks
Speaker 3: identical to JFK. He looks so similar.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dude, look at that the JFK.
Speaker 3: That his nickname on the Dallas Police Force was JFK.
Speaker 2: And it's it's my understanding.
Speaker 1: David Ferry was an individual fitting the description of David
Speaker 1: Ferry was seen holding a gun firing the last two
Speaker 1: shots into that man while he's laid on the ground.
Speaker 3: And that murder of the police officer was what Oswald
Speaker 3: was arrested for.
Speaker 1: Yep, the murder Ferry was a private plane, had a
Speaker 1: private plane, and what's suspected to be in Dallas that
Speaker 1: day based upon the investigation of Jim Garrison.
Speaker 2: So it starts to get real. Question.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you bring you bring a lot of
Speaker 1: good elements into some very some you know, to my opinion,
Speaker 1: you guys brought some good elements in my brain hole
Speaker 1: of fill in some gaps.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Questions about again, when you when you read a witness statement,
Speaker 1: you know just as well as I do, David Ferry
Speaker 1: is a very distinctive looking individual. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean that you see read a witness statement that describes
Speaker 1: David Ferry to a t as the guy that murdered Tipping. Well,
Speaker 1: this makes sense, This makes sense. What's going on here?
Speaker 1: It's a full, full frame job.
Speaker 3: Exactly. And if you know how rituals work, you know
Speaker 3: that an element of the ritual has to be real, right, Like,
Speaker 3: you can't just fake an entire ritual, right Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's gonna be some aspects you can
Speaker 1: certainly get away with because no one saw that video, Like,
Speaker 1: let's be honest to fake something that daily clause, It
Speaker 1: isn't all that extreme because you fire a couple of
Speaker 1: shots outside of holding an umbrella.
Speaker 2: That doesn't protect you from getting shot.
Speaker 1: But you know everyone else ducks in those videos in
Speaker 1: the first place, right outside the umbrella man right, so
Speaker 1: and the quote unquote suprud Or from but no one
Speaker 1: sees that for what twelve years? So the people that
Speaker 1: were I witness on the scene, Dude, I knew I
Speaker 1: met an eye witness from the scene. He was there
Speaker 1: when he was seven years old. I strangely enough, I
Speaker 1: went to I was found myself in Daily Plaza on
Speaker 1: December fourteenth, twenty twelve, strikingly similar, just another day of
Speaker 1: a strange event that I don't think we know all
Speaker 1: the details about that that happened that day. But I
Speaker 1: was going to see that museum and I just happened
Speaker 1: to be walking there, and you know, going you know
Speaker 1: that area of Dallas. There was no one there on
Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon or whatever, five o'clock, and any other
Speaker 1: person on the sidewalk was standing next to me waiting
Speaker 1: to cross the street and he says, Hey, you going
Speaker 1: to the Assassination Museum or whatever? And I said yeah.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm a security guard there. He said, let
Speaker 1: me go drop this off. I got a Christmas present,
Speaker 1: drop off one of my coworkers. He's like, let me
Speaker 1: give you a tour of daily Plaza.
Speaker 2: First.
Speaker 1: He's like, I was here when it happened. I was
Speaker 1: seven years old. I was like them, shit, all right,
Speaker 1: well all wait, I'll stand by. So let's do this.
Speaker 1: So you know the way he explained it. You know, again,
Speaker 1: everyone just takes cover you. You don't. You can't if
Speaker 1: no one's looking to see what happens after you hear
Speaker 1: a bunch of bangs, right, a bunch of shots going off.
Speaker 2: You know, I think you know, there's a.
Speaker 1: A lot of things that can go on, and you
Speaker 1: know when you're distracted in the magic show, if you will, So.
Speaker 3: If you look at like how ritual magic works, right,
Speaker 3: they have to do something that's real. Okay, So they
Speaker 3: have this police officer named well, his nickname was JFK
Speaker 3: because he looked strikingly similar to Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, with this picture right here, specifically from a distance,
Speaker 1: you would not be able to determine that's not JFK.
Speaker 2: I mean he looks like a Kennedy, you.
Speaker 3: Know, exactly. So in order to pull off the operation,
Speaker 3: in order you know, to get away with this occultly
Speaker 3: like a cult style, you would have to kill somebody
Speaker 3: for real, Okay.
Speaker 2: And we are talking a very ritualistic event, right because it's.
Speaker 3: The you kill the guy that's nicknamed j f K.
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying with with with with the
Speaker 1: there's there's a deeper esoteric aspect to that.
Speaker 3: Then you give the perception that it was the president.
Speaker 1: And the site that occurs on is very ritualistic, right, Ja,
Speaker 1: you technically did kill No, it's.
Speaker 3: There's the balloons, there's my magic that that's the magic that.
Speaker 1: Atop that has the appearance. Right, So that is the
Speaker 1: convincing aspects right there you go. Deal was Deally Plaza
Speaker 1: the first Was it the first Masonic lodge or there
Speaker 1: was some deep history to it there with Mason's in
Speaker 1: Dealey Plaza.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's free Mason Lodges all over there. It's on
Speaker 3: the thirty third parallel like Daly Pasa that wrote down
Speaker 3: Daily Plaza, they.
Speaker 2: Have a giant obelism there now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the all covered in a cult ritualistic Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was the site of the first Masonic
Speaker 1: lodge in Texas, or at least the one that first
Speaker 1: went in Dallas at least, right, So it does have
Speaker 1: some deeper like that site has some you know, some
Speaker 1: deeper ritualistic aspects. So you're familiar with the King Kill
Speaker 1: thirty three stuff, with these kind of deeper esoteric ritualistic
Speaker 1: aspects of the of the the whole thing, of the who,
Speaker 1: of the whole, the whole event, right, the whole JFK
Speaker 1: thing where James Shelby Downard wrote this whole essay about
Speaker 1: how you know, there's this whole Masonic ritual with all
Speaker 1: these Freemasons including Zapruder, you know what I mean, on
Speaker 1: this on this Daily Plaza Freemason site, right with the
Speaker 1: three tramps being rolled out as that you know, this
Speaker 1: this the three men and that that I guess kill
Speaker 1: Solomon or whatever. I don't remember other lore, but he
Speaker 1: rolls out these ritualistic aspects of a deeper understanding of
Speaker 1: killing the king, and you know, and and I used
Speaker 1: to when I first consider those things, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to believe these things. But the other thing
Speaker 1: is with considering those aspects is the person doesn't have
Speaker 1: to die because you're what you're saying, it's it's a
Speaker 1: magic show. If you're convincing the person that Kennedy died
Speaker 1: you're still you're still playing out this ritual right, this
Speaker 1: this mass psychodrama.
Speaker 3: That's and this is going to get really spiritual. But
Speaker 3: that's how they also like get away with any kind
Speaker 3: of spiritual chromic repercussions.
Speaker 1: Sure you're saying that this is an act of trying
Speaker 1: to uh not implicate themselves reliability.
Speaker 3: To cheat the system, use a backdoor.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it is interesting also that Marilyn Manson would
Speaker 1: later name a song King Kill thirty three after presumably
Speaker 1: after this, uh this yere essay that I'm referring to.
Speaker 2: But this essay I think.
Speaker 1: Describes this, this this deeper ritualistic you know, aspect that
Speaker 1: many folks who who operate within these ancient Allien cargo cults,
Speaker 1: and I would argue these Masonic organizations are no different
Speaker 1: with their worship of serious et cetera. That you know,
Speaker 1: these these people have a deeper, seemingly large scale ritualistic plans,
Speaker 1: you know, to perpetrate I'm assuming, to shift the mindset
Speaker 1: of society and these large scale psychodramas, right, That's kind
Speaker 1: of how I look at it at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it all really makes sense when you when
Speaker 3: you you know you get the exactly what was going
Speaker 3: on in this whole thing, and then they kill Oswald
Speaker 3: really quickly. Jack Ruby comes out, gets through the entire
Speaker 3: green around the police shoots Oswald and the stomach. Oswald
Speaker 3: is conveniently wearing a black sweater that he somehow got
Speaker 3: he switched from having a white shirt onto a black
Speaker 3: sweater as he was being transferred out of the jail,
Speaker 3: so that you can't see any blood.
Speaker 4: No autop scene.
Speaker 3: Of Oswald. There is only drawings.
Speaker 2: There you go, there, you go, drawings.
Speaker 1: That's the question I was gonna ask him, like, where's
Speaker 1: should be the evidence, right, or where's this evidence that
Speaker 1: Oswald even died. If we're considering, as you point out
Speaker 1: your film, the JFK up here at least the film
Speaker 1: is we're shown it is not real that Zuepruder film
Speaker 1: is not an accurate depiction, as you guys point out
Speaker 1: there in numerous perspectives, that this has been tampered with,
Speaker 1: and to do so in a manner to convince us
Speaker 1: that he was shot in the head, these things in
Speaker 1: these scenes, right, And in that same regard, we're shown
Speaker 1: that Oswald the man comes up to Oswald, Jack Jack Rubinstein, right,
Speaker 1: from Chicago. Right, he comes up and uh puts a
Speaker 1: puts a pistol. Right, the free Masonic detectives are seen,
Speaker 1: you know, they're wearing Freemason rings. They're seen almost holding
Speaker 1: Oswald up, almost like he's trying to get away or something. Right,
Speaker 1: it's very dramatic looking, and he puts the gun into
Speaker 1: his belly and shoots him.
Speaker 2: Right, But like, how is that? Maybe that's part of
Speaker 2: the same psychodrama.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of the same false, false, you know,
Speaker 1: magic show that we're supposed to believe to be bad.
Speaker 4: Did you freeze that brown.
Speaker 2: My back?
Speaker 3: You froze on me, dud glitch in the majors?
Speaker 2: Did so?
Speaker 1: Did you catch my part where that maybe were to
Speaker 1: believe Oswald die but he didn't. Right, So I say
Speaker 1: that because Oswald is not some you know, weird communist
Speaker 1: guy who defected to Cuba, etcetera, etcetera. That that David
Speaker 1: Ferry guy we were talking about before, who Garrison investigated
Speaker 1: to these matters and was fits the description of the
Speaker 1: guy that murdered Tippett, right, based on witness descriptions of
Speaker 1: that incident. He was he you know, was part of
Speaker 1: the frame job on Oswald out of New Orleans there apparently,
Speaker 1: but he knew Oswald going back to the early nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties where he was the squadron commander for Oswald's Civil
Speaker 1: Air Patrol unit and fellow future mina Arkansas Eddian drug
Speaker 1: cartel smuler for Iran contract Barry Seal was part of
Speaker 1: that same unit under the under the command and leadership
Speaker 1: of one David Ferry. David I got some fake eyebrows
Speaker 1: and a whig Ferry. So I think that's very interesting
Speaker 1: because I only think Oswald comes from nowhere.
Speaker 2: So Oswald, I would argue, is was.
Speaker 1: Very probably a member of that same secret society that
Speaker 1: started America, the Society of the Cincinnati, where it's a
Speaker 1: modern day it's they're the they're the descendants of the
Speaker 1: Knights Templar, but it's a modern day Knights Templar where
Speaker 1: George Washington and his officers. The membership gets passed down
Speaker 1: through the paternal bloodline. So Joseph os I'm sorry, Lee Harvey.
Speaker 1: Oswald's second great grandfather, Joseph Oswald, was a major in
Speaker 1: the Georgia chapter of the Society the Cincinnati appears and
Speaker 1: it seems like looking at his paternal descendants, that that
Speaker 1: that membership would have been passed down through Oswald's grandfather,
Speaker 1: who was a colonel in the Confederate Army, down to
Speaker 1: his father and then onto possibly Oswald, possibly Oswald. So
Speaker 1: if that's the case, that's an interesting dynamic. I would
Speaker 1: consider that because you got the secret society that started America,
Speaker 1: you got JFK as a member by virtue of being president.
Speaker 1: His father in law Jack Bouvier, is that this is
Speaker 1: a hereditary member. I would argue, possibly of the French chapter,
Speaker 1: but definitely I've confirmed of the Maryland chapter. So and
Speaker 1: his membership likely got passed down to JFK Junior, his
Speaker 1: only paternal descendant. So that's a different story altogether. But
Speaker 1: you have JFK member of the society, his father in
Speaker 1: law is a member. I'm just saying, you have a
Speaker 1: close orbit of other members there. You have jag Or
Speaker 1: Hoover's a member, right, You have a lot of members
Speaker 1: that are directly involved in the immediate orbit of this
Speaker 1: instance that has been so pivotal in American history. And
Speaker 1: as you all point out, JFKX, we don't know what
Speaker 1: really happened. We don't know what really happened. So, and
Speaker 1: then you have Lee Harvey Oswald's probably hereditary member, right,
Speaker 1: and he's not just an you know of an you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of these powerful families that run that
Speaker 1: run these membership or that you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: folks are descended from some of the original members that
Speaker 1: aren't members, right, because you know, you got to be
Speaker 1: a paternal paternal line from the original member. For example,
Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald's third cousin was Teddy Roosevelt, also descended
Speaker 1: from that same major Joseph Oswald of the Georgia chapter.
Speaker 1: So what I'm presenting, what I'm what I'm suggesting is
Speaker 1: it's a power dynamic amongst the Secret Society who was
Speaker 1: very close around this orbit of the JFK situation, including
Speaker 1: JFK himself as father in law, the alleged assassin, the
Speaker 1: FBI director, you know what I mean. So we do
Speaker 1: have the FREEMASONI ritual aspect though, but I think there's
Speaker 1: maybe even some deeper aspects to it.
Speaker 3: Well, anyway you shake it. Oswald was definitely a patsy.
Speaker 3: You can clearly see that he doesn't he doesn't even
Speaker 3: know that JFK had been shot. He says that he
Speaker 3: was accused of killing a police officer, and then they
Speaker 3: like took him out so that and.
Speaker 2: Then they know evidence of his interviews.
Speaker 3: Right, no evidence, and then they have you know, Jack
Speaker 3: Ruby getting a visit, probably dosed some sort of uh substance.
Speaker 3: And then kind of low Jolly west Broun's here, Lol,
Speaker 3: Jolly gives him a little visit while he was in
Speaker 3: uh in in prison and uh then he because he
Speaker 3: does this suppress interview where we showed in our movie
Speaker 3: where he says that no one will ever know the
Speaker 3: reasons why I got Oswald, why I did what I did.
Speaker 3: And then he's asked for these people in high up places,
Speaker 3: he says, and then they essentially make him like go
Speaker 3: into a some kind of psychosis. He's out of his mind.
Speaker 3: He ends up answer dies in prison. And then he
Speaker 3: was like all the he's going off the walls. He's
Speaker 3: like the fairies made me do like all kinds of
Speaker 3: crazy show. There's no other explanation than that Jolly West
Speaker 3: came in and dosed him. It was some kind of
Speaker 3: drug so that he wasn't able to say exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: Right, And then no, I mean you bring up some
Speaker 1: great points. Again, I don't we don't have evidence of
Speaker 1: his death, his notes. The question there, your favorite uncle
Speaker 1: was Thomas Jude Bamber was the attorney out of Guy
Speaker 1: Bannister's office that incorporated the Processed Church. You know, numerous
Speaker 1: elements of I think Jim Garrison was investigating the Processed Church.
Speaker 1: Numerous elements of his investigation, not just Thomas Jude Bamber,
Speaker 1: were connected to the Processed Church, the least of which
Speaker 1: was Kerrie Thornley, one of the primary sub subjects, and
Speaker 1: associated David Ferry there, but David. This intersection of David
Speaker 1: Ferry and Lee Harvey Oswald again is concept and lost
Speaker 1: to me that Oswald was born into something. You know,
Speaker 1: Barry Seal, the drug trafficker, right, the mean arc Kansol
Speaker 1: guy famous for the Median drug trafficking.
Speaker 3: You I'm talking about, Well, that's how like a foreign
Speaker 3: spy would act. I mean, there's a lot of evidence
Speaker 3: of how spies operated, right they would. They completely give
Speaker 3: you a new identity like you are like a like
Speaker 3: a black budget weapon out there to perform a certain task,
Speaker 3: to infiltrate in to do whatever it is that your
Speaker 3: task or your operation, and you see it through until
Speaker 3: the end. Okay, so they have the ability to just
Speaker 3: give somebody a completely new identity.
Speaker 1: Were familiar, you bring up some good points. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you're familiar with the two osball theory, right, Yes, So
Speaker 1: that guy documented that what you're describing right there, you
Speaker 1: have a Lee Harvey Oswall, and you have a Harvey
Speaker 1: Lee Oswall living in in the same city at times,
Speaker 1: living in different locations, intending different schools, and he documented evident.
Speaker 2: Actually the Warrant Commission that really documented a lot of that.
Speaker 1: He was just he was just you know, realize it
Speaker 1: was stuff that they put in their reports and didn't
Speaker 1: really address.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got David Ferry here.
Speaker 1: Second, the second from the left is David Ferry, and
Speaker 1: this is nineteen fifty five. In the New Orleans Civil
Speaker 1: Air Patrol. You got Lee Harvey Oswald or maybe it
Speaker 1: was Harvey Lee, I'm not sure. Over Here on the right,
Speaker 1: but in that same unit was Barry Seal. And Barry
Speaker 1: Seal has this same Society in the Cincinnati background. He's
Speaker 1: descended his third great grandfather, Captain William Seal of the
Speaker 1: North Carolina Chapter of the Society. So I just wonder
Speaker 1: if these folks are I don't know, but I don't
Speaker 1: know fairies lineage. I don't think it does the same
Speaker 1: regards some folks are hired into these positions, I think.
Speaker 2: But he you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Odd to see these two characters, Oswald and Seal in
Speaker 1: the same Civil Air Patrol, you know, let alone with
Speaker 1: Ferry as their leader, and the Seal and Oswald have
Speaker 1: the same background, and they're both very involved in these
Speaker 1: major parapolitical events later, right, And I think the same
Speaker 1: can be said for a lot of these society characters,
Speaker 1: not just the JFK event, but virgin the work you've
Speaker 1: done with Virginia Giuffrey, I think that she may have
Speaker 1: been born into these things like her her maternal uncle
Speaker 1: is the Kabelle, her mother's a Cabelle and the Kabell family,
Speaker 1: and her her fourth great grandfather was a colonel in
Speaker 1: the Wars of seventeen seventy six out of the Virginia chapter.
Speaker 1: So it seems looking at that man's paternal lineage in
Speaker 1: the society, it seems that Virginia Giuphray's maternal uncle, her
Speaker 1: mother's brother, would be the hereditary member from that Colonel Cabell.
Speaker 1: But it is this What I'm saying is these it's
Speaker 1: these families within this society structure that the society families
Speaker 1: that seem to pop up over over again, even in
Speaker 1: the JFK is at situation right with the whole the
Speaker 1: whole Bay of Pigs thing is I like the quote
Speaker 1: Tricky Dick from the Watergate tapes because it is that
Speaker 1: same Cabell family of Virginia. Giufhrays, these are kinfolks of
Speaker 1: hers that JFK family fires from the CIA director as
Speaker 1: you know, as a result of the Bay of Pigs thing, right,
Speaker 1: Charles Cabelle.
Speaker 3: Yep, the Cabell family is all over the Virginia Jeffray case.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, her whole heritage and her whole background. I signed
Speaker 3: up for ancestry dot com for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This would be like a third cousin once removed I
Speaker 1: think to Virginia's mother or maybe to Virginia somewhere around there.
Speaker 1: So you know, not not an immediate family, but you
Speaker 1: know within that same free right again, within the same
Speaker 1: structure of families, right, we see these people playing integral positions.
Speaker 3: That seems to be with the way that it is
Speaker 3: with a lot of things there, they're family member, someone
Speaker 3: that is, someone's a part of the military, someone's in
Speaker 3: high ranking position the military, someone's evolved in the intelligence community,
Speaker 3: someone has some kind of backing, some kind of background
Speaker 3: in the intelligence community. Like, it's weird, dude.
Speaker 1: It's super weird. What was the one I saw recently?
Speaker 1: I think it was Tom Sigger. His father was like
Speaker 1: a VP for like JP Morgan or something like that,
Speaker 1: or Merrill Lynch. He's a retired Marine Corps officer turned
Speaker 1: like bank executive. Sounds very liturel canyon, doesn't it. It sounds
Speaker 1: very grunsyn too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really does, dude. And and like looking at
Speaker 3: all these bands and all these people that were a
Speaker 3: part of like they came up in the hippie movement,
Speaker 3: which Dave McGowan has uh, you know, talked about in
Speaker 3: his books, and that we also bring up in a
Speaker 3: Clockwork Shining and Kubrick's Odyssey three.
Speaker 4: Well back when you fro you froze up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we're saying Clockwork Shine, go ahead, com please continue, sir.
Speaker 3: Just that all these people have like even Mark uh
Speaker 3: Mark Hampas from Blink one eighty two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his dad.
Speaker 3: It's high up in the military intelligence community for sure.
Speaker 1: Right, it seems to be the It's not just Laurel
Speaker 1: Canyon in the sixties. It is an ongoing trend. So,
Speaker 1: like I was saying, I was somewhat not surprised to
Speaker 1: find Tom Segura's father, this retired Marine Corps officer, was
Speaker 1: the first vice president of Merrill Lynch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not surprising at all. I mean, most of
Speaker 3: these people have these ties back to government. Military.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look how much alien stuff is pushed by the blanquin
Speaker 1: A two folks though.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, And you're telling me that's just a coincidence.
Speaker 1: It's no, there's no, there's no connections here. Pay no
Speaker 1: attention to the man behind the curtain or the aliens
Speaker 1: behind the curtain that is here. So Tex happis on
Speaker 1: what's he's big in the some US Department of Defense stuff.
Speaker 2: It says navy you know, Nyvy testing of missiles and bombs.
Speaker 4: Huh, well you know about that.
Speaker 1: It's not like and it's never like, oh, this guy
Speaker 1: works human resources, this guy's mom's work human resources of
Speaker 1: the Pentagon. This person tested you know, it's always weapons
Speaker 1: of war, right, it's the it's the uh you know,
Speaker 1: it's the folks that are willing to produce weapons that'll
Speaker 1: kill folks in large scales that are their children, you know, women,
Speaker 1: They're sorry, their sons and daughters are all part of
Speaker 1: these uh the folks selling us these uh alien.
Speaker 2: Cult ideas through the media.
Speaker 1: They're the folks selling us you know, the music, the movies, everything, right,
Speaker 1: not from Laurel Canyon forward, it seems.
Speaker 3: Virginia Dephrase brothers. One of them works for Tesla, the
Speaker 3: other one works for Blue Origin.
Speaker 1: And we see that saying, and we see again at
Speaker 1: Cabell family, the Earl Cobell, the mayor of Dallas, who
Speaker 1: shifted the route.
Speaker 3: That day, right, yeah, in the jfk assascination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So again these families seemed to her family specifically,
Speaker 1: when you when you when we did that show, while
Speaker 1: you were describing going into the questions surrounding her death
Speaker 1: and and her in the questions I guess really surrounding
Speaker 1: her life, I was you know when you I didn't,
Speaker 1: I had no idea, you know, you said, Cabell had
Speaker 1: immediately rang familiar to me because they're a very powerful family.
Speaker 3: Cabell Cabole.
Speaker 4: Oh there you gja.
Speaker 1: This is uh, this is her more famous uh forefather
Speaker 1: here out of the Virginia, the Virginia Cabels, the Virginia
Speaker 1: Kabola Cabell's.
Speaker 2: William H. Cabell. You know, he's a.
Speaker 1: Notable figure in the uh the you know, the first
Speaker 1: families of Virginia as they as they as they claim
Speaker 1: here right, fourteenth governor of Virginia. So you know these
Speaker 1: are again it's the it's these you know, did Virginia
Speaker 1: Jiu fred just happened to get in recruited of the
Speaker 1: sex slave operation?
Speaker 2: Was she born into these things?
Speaker 3: I would tend to say that a lot of people
Speaker 3: are born into that. They're born in two of them.
Speaker 3: They're voluntarily or put into them or they're sold into them.
Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, there's a lot to be said.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to be said about that
Speaker 1: because it is not you know, one thing, you know
Speaker 1: one thing, but you know, like you said, there's different
Speaker 1: mechanisms and recruitment, but it is you know, this generational
Speaker 1: aspect seem to be the people you know, they want
Speaker 1: folks to be, you know, the folks running and have
Speaker 1: been abused themselves. Right, So that's what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: this generational aspect is the leaders of these operations, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, are also subjecting their children to it because
Speaker 1: their children are going to be leaders in the operation
Speaker 1: and they abuse themselves. You see what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it's that's the way I kind of view these generational things, right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I agree. So let's look at this picture of old
Speaker 1: Lho here Lee Harvey Oswald and how he's uh, he's
Speaker 1: getting marked right.
Speaker 2: Where is this bullet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't see it.
Speaker 2: Where's any carnage from the bullet?
Speaker 3: Can't see it because Oswald is wearing a black sweater.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just you know, the whole thing that,
Speaker 1: you know, in consideration of the the way you'll dissected
Speaker 1: jfk X, you know, I'd be curious to see if
Speaker 1: if there was a you know, there's similar, similar fabricated
Speaker 1: attributes and even in what we were shown as the
Speaker 1: Oswald shooting scene.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I'm going to wrap this all up in
Speaker 3: a tight, little, needy, neatly packaged box for you guys
Speaker 3: before we and uh, let's.
Speaker 1: Bring it in for a landing, sir. Let's it's uh,
Speaker 1: I think that was that was. I think we we
Speaker 1: came full circle. On some ancient alien cargo cold stuff. Again,
Speaker 1: these these folks that are behind a lot of these things,
Speaker 1: and the families and whatnot.
Speaker 2: And I think that, uh, you know, I think there's.
Speaker 1: A lot to be said that a lot of this
Speaker 1: stuff does go back to that JFK, the whole bay
Speaker 1: of pigs things old tricky Dick said, and the weird
Speaker 1: ancient alien cargo cold stuff that's wrapped up.
Speaker 2: And you know, the characters around there.
Speaker 1: Especially with the folks that help perpetrate these obvious lies,
Speaker 1: these obvious lies around it, right, And folks are waiting
Speaker 1: for documents on these things. I'm not sure where they
Speaker 1: expect to find those documents because as you all present
Speaker 1: there in the film, is that no document's going to
Speaker 1: solve that equation whatever went on there, right, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be any document says, look, we faked it all.
Speaker 1: We did a whole film project to show everybody. Right,
Speaker 1: that's not the kind of They didn't write that down
Speaker 1: a piece of paper, you know, the the cover stories.
Speaker 1: It would be on the piece of paper, not the
Speaker 1: actual Again, as you all present, the fabricated video, and
Speaker 1: we have no idea what actually occurred there because for
Speaker 1: you know. I think you all presented that you and
Speaker 1: Jay Widen are both and pointed out in our first
Speaker 1: discussion on that matter when I first considered these things,
Speaker 1: that JFK could have died the next week or forty
Speaker 1: years later.
Speaker 2: We just don't really know.
Speaker 3: And for the people that have not been convinced of
Speaker 3: what we've been talking about for the past hour about
Speaker 3: this JFK stuff, here is a Vanity Fair article out
Speaker 3: November nineteenth.
Speaker 2: I remember this stuff.
Speaker 3: Why JFK staged his own murder and a James Bond
Speaker 3: inspired spy film two months before his assassination. Okay, and
Speaker 3: this goes into how Jackie Kennedy was a film like,
Speaker 3: she was very interested in films, she wanted to make films,
Speaker 3: and then she just wanted to randomly make a fake
Speaker 3: assassination video of JFK that involved all of the exact
Speaker 3: same Secret Service agents that were there in daily closet
Speaker 3: by day right, and then they all show up to
Speaker 3: the house and Jackie calls them and was like whatever,
Speaker 3: you pull up to the house and you pretend that
Speaker 3: you'd just gotten news that JFK had been assassinated, and
Speaker 3: pretend to come into the house like you're like, you're
Speaker 3: responding to a call to the house that jfk I've
Speaker 3: been assassinated. Okay, And I am going to do you
Speaker 3: guys a solid I'm going to drop this and try
Speaker 3: like in the chat here so you guys can all
Speaker 3: read all about it because we don't have time this.
Speaker 2: Evening too, the notes too. And that's a great article
Speaker 2: because I mean, how on the nose is that? Right? Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, what do we what is reality at this
Speaker 2: point of that?
Speaker 1: You know, if we're considering these terms, right, you know
Speaker 1: this these things kind of fundamentally shifted. They shifted my
Speaker 1: reality to kind of consider these things right, you know,
Speaker 1: and their evidence exists the you know again to indicate
Speaker 1: that not only know what happened, that it seems like
Speaker 1: it was all pretty well planned out right.
Speaker 3: They won't let me share a link because I'm not
Speaker 3: a moderator on your stuff, but I just dropped it,
Speaker 3: dropped the private rout here. But I encourage everybody to
Speaker 3: read that article. And what it reads like to me
Speaker 3: is that Jackie filming this fake assassination of jfk uh
Speaker 3: three months well, no, two months before the real did
Speaker 3: I get the balloons? The real assassination was a test run, okay,
Speaker 3: in order to get away with it, they realized that
Speaker 3: they had to do it publicly. About me, that was real.
Speaker 3: They had to do it publicly.
Speaker 1: What what The interesting part about that to me is
Speaker 1: that Jackie was was it photographer. That's how she met FK,
Speaker 1: you know, and and her godfather helps helps frame Oswald.
Speaker 1: In this official storyline, George de Morris Shield was known
Speaker 1: as Uncle George to her since I think age seven,
Speaker 1: and he's supposed to be the CIA guy that helps
Speaker 1: frame Oswald.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's a lot more to that story
Speaker 1: if he's been Uncle Jackie to or uncle you know,
Speaker 1: George to Jackie Bouvier since age seven. Again, Jackie Bouvier's
Speaker 1: father was at least the hereditary member through the Maryland
Speaker 1: chapter of the Society, and likely also a member from
Speaker 1: the French chapter to the Bouviers back to an Admiral
Speaker 1: Bouvier of the revolution.
Speaker 3: So yes, sir, yeah, just read that. JJ just dropped
Speaker 3: dropped the link to the article in the chat there.
Speaker 3: Just click that, bad boy. Read it up and see
Speaker 3: that what we've been talking about.
Speaker 2: And I'll make sure you gets in the show notes
Speaker 2: for folks too.
Speaker 1: It's a great article, right, and when I when you
Speaker 1: showed it to me that last then the previous discussion,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is just two on the nose.
Speaker 2: Man, It's just too because again.
Speaker 1: She's already a photographer, so she's already gonna you know,
Speaker 1: you're already having an expert in how to properly shoot
Speaker 1: the you know, the whole situation internally to the whole project.
Speaker 3: And what better way to do it than do a
Speaker 3: test run with the same Secret Service agents that were
Speaker 3: involved in that same day Paul Lands.
Speaker 1: It's two on the news man, This is way two
Speaker 1: on the news Yep, all.
Speaker 2: Right, writers, sir.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the conversation as always as I always enjoy
Speaker 1: it when we get in some ancient alien cargo cult
Speaker 1: matters and whatnot in.
Speaker 2: The secret societies that perpetrate these ideals. Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you have any closing thoughts or statements on tonight's
Speaker 1: conversation or any plugs you'd like to you like to offer.
Speaker 3: Just if people are interested in finding out more about
Speaker 3: my work. I do two shows a week on Monday
Speaker 3: and Fridays. I've already done a show today with Julia
Speaker 3: from the cosmic peach. So this is my second show.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 3: You can find me on Raise by Giants on YouTube
Speaker 3: and any and all podcast platforms, and if you would
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Speaker 3: appreciate each and every one of you in the chen,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you JJ for listening and having me on.
Speaker 3: And also if you like to check out the documentaries
Speaker 3: jfk X on Amazon Prime and TB and A Clockwork
Speaker 3: Shining also on Amazon Prime and TB. Thank you guys
Speaker 3: very much, really appreciate it, and have a good night.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir Bryar, I appreciate your time, sir, and we'll
Speaker 1: definitely look forward to doing this again in the future.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you've how much you get
Speaker 1: into serial killers, but folks of the interwebs, I.
Speaker 2: Got one real, real barnburner coming up.
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Speaker 1: And I would argue, the most diabolical man I've ever
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Speaker 1: this ever win Edwards Fellas, So definitely check that one
Speaker 1: out and I'll put writers the links in the show notes.
Speaker 1: And uh for your films and your your podcast. What
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I think you bring some great some
Speaker 1: great questions table sir, and I always enjoy these conversations
Speaker 1: and UH learn something new every time, so appreciate, appreciate
Speaker 1: your time, and look forward to doing this again some time. Writer,
Speaker 1: thank you, sir, appreciate you, and folks of the interwebs,
Speaker 1: thank you for your time and catch you next time.