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I need to help Quorish 23 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.159 is no longe and there's no stopping. 24 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:36.200 Hip going up against gunships. 25 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:42.239 Well, I guess you better stop here, Avatar. This film 26 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.280 has not yet rated. Welcome to a movie film commentary track. 27 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:48.920 My name is Zaki Hassan. I'm here with Brian Hall. 28 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:50.159 Hey, how's it going, Zachie? 29 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:54.680 Brian? Have you ever woken up and wished you belong 30 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:57.519 to the Omatakaya? 31 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.680 Uh? Yeah? You know what's funny though, those dreams, I 32 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:05.079 can't tell which is the dream and if my reality 33 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:06.920 is more the dream itself. 34 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.520 You know you say it sounds to me like you 35 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:13.879 wish that you were Turuk Makto. 36 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.879 Well, as I'm fumbling lines from the movie over here 37 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:22.039 that I'm trying to repeat, I actually thought about googling 38 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.319 things in NAVI for this opening to try to say 39 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:27.280 to you, And now I'm like, oh, he did it. 40 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:27.680 Damn it. 41 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:29.840 I could have like I could have kept. 42 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:34.439 Up with him. You know, Awa is very disappointed in you. 43 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:35.120 That's all I know. 44 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:37.759 What else is new? 45 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.599 Yeah? No, no, you know what, I'm gonna save it 46 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:44.960 because we've got plenty of time ahead. 47 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:45.960 I'm gonna keep this brief. 48 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.000 We got some time to fill. We are watching Avatar, 49 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.400 the two thousand and nine film that made almost three 50 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.479 billion dollars since its release. So this is a this 51 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:03.199 is this, This is the most beloved not beloved film 52 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:03.960 of all time. 53 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:09.560 It's a case study, right, Yeah, I I am. 54 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:14.439 I'm endlessly fascinated by the More more than the film, 55 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.080 I'm fascinated by the discourse by all the people every 56 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:19.840 few years or like, nobody cares about Avatar because it 57 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.719 hasn't left any cultural footprint. And I would disagree with 58 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.879 that assertion, if only because it has left the cultural 59 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.719 footprint of people wondering where its cultural footprint is. 60 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:30.039 That's pretty good. 61 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:34.159 Yeah, you know we Yeah, we got to Avatar Fire 62 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.879 and Ash. That's that's due out in the weeks ahead. 63 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.759 As we're recording this, and and I thought, hey, you 64 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:44.879 know what what better time than to than right now 65 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:49.159 to to visit that magical, far off land of Pandora. 66 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.400 I'm excited because this isn't a movie I've watched a 67 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.199 lot over the years, so this was kind of I 68 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.400 remembered a lot of it. Yeah, but you know, it 69 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:02.000 was still kind of fresh watching again this week. So 70 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:04.280 I'm excited to have this conversation with you. 71 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:06.840 And certainly, I mean, you know, we we do try 72 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.159 to let movies ferment a little before we'd give them 73 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:13.560 the old commentary treatment. And and there's something to realize, 74 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:15.800 Oh my gosh, this movie is sixteen years old already. 75 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.199 Yeah, right, wild. 76 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.360 I mean, when when we started doing this show, it 77 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:26.879 was a mere three years old. And back in those days, 78 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.600 we spent a big chunk of the early and not 79 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.079 even like the first two thirds of this show's life 80 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:37.360 being like Avatar sequel, I'll believe that when it happens, And. 81 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:39.680 Isn't that a funny artifact? And then now in the 82 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.040 past couple of years, we've gotten two sequels. 83 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:47.680 Yeah, so you know, never never bet against James Cameron 84 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:51.439 is the takeaway. Yep. But we are watching we're watching 85 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:56.160 the theatrical version. By the way, we should say, oh right, yeah, 86 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.040 there's there's like an extended cut and then there's like 87 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:03.439 the super duper standed cut, and we're watching neither of those. 88 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:06.879 But but for the purposes of backs drop on this, 89 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:11.639 I watched the three hour version, did you. 90 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.160 Oh, I considered it, but I didn't. Yeah. 91 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:17.279 I was like, I watched it, and I was like, well, 92 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.120 I you know, I mean, if I figure, I'll be 93 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.000 able to notice the differences and you know, add some 94 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.000 context to the discussion that we're having. And then I 95 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:25.920 was like, have I seen this before? And I think 96 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:28.800 I have, but I don't remember because you know, they 97 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.000 re released the movie in theaters a few years ago. Anyway, 98 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.560 we'll talk about yeah, yeah, yeah, for this, if you 99 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:35.720 want to watch along with us, we're doing the theatrical cut, 100 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.120 the two hours and forty two minute version. 101 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.879 Yeah, please create a halou with us, and let's go 102 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:45.240 for a ride on an eleu. 103 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.600 You see, you got this, You get this. You sound 104 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.480 like one of the people. So we're gonna we're gonna 105 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.920 get started right right this moment, Brian. So we'll do 106 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:57.720 the usual thing. We'll go one, two, three, play again. 107 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:59.000 If you want to watch along with us, you can. 108 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.000 If not, uh, you know, we'll certainly try to keep 109 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:06.360 the conversation interesting enough to have you engaged for the 110 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:10.279 for the entire almost three hours. Uh. So let's do this. Ready, 111 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:14.720 I'm ready, and here we go one, two, three, play it. 112 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:17.600 Right? 113 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.639 So the version I'm watching says twentieth Century Studios, how 114 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:27.000 about you, Sam? Yeah, so that's a little swapperoo that 115 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:28.519 Disney did. 116 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:30.839 Yeah right. 117 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.839 Even though this this this film predates the Disney purchase 118 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:37.639 of twenty eeth century Fox by a cool decade. 119 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.800 Wow, man, it's like, where do you even begin? 120 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:51.839 Well, I will say I did remember things that I 121 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.000 didn't see in this version, so I must have seen 122 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.959 the extended version at some point, Like I remember in 123 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.920 the beginning seeing Jake kicked out of a bar. 124 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.839 Yes, that's right, right, which. 125 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:07.399 I kind of So that's that that I knew was 126 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:10.920 not in this cut. And yeah it I think it 127 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.720 was a really good idea to have that in it initially. 128 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.480 And it's odd that they made that cut because you're 129 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:22.040 looking at three minutes tops, you know, and it is 130 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:23.879 that you'd be adding to a two hours and forty 131 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:24.839 two minute movie, you know. 132 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:26.279 Yeah. 133 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:26.639 Yeah. 134 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.879 And then it basically it gives you a little glimpse 135 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.639 of what life is like on Earth and how Jake 136 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:35.480 really doesn't have anything that's right. 137 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:40.639 But he does have he has a sense of doing 138 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:41.279 the right thing. 139 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.759 Yes, Oh that's right. That's right. Yeah, he's like doing 140 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.079 something kind of noble, like defending someone or something. Right. 141 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.519 Yeah. So there's a guy who's who's beating up on 142 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.319 his girlfriend in a bar, and Jake, who is in 143 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.920 a wheelchair, intervenes and ends up getting tossed out, at 144 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:58.199 which point these these fellas come in and they they're like, hey, 145 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:00.920 you know your brother died and that whole thing. So 146 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:04.439 instead it's like inter cut into this sequence here, which 147 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.360 which I guess you know. First of all, I should 148 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.120 say I remember watching this in the theater and just 149 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.160 being blown away by how absolutely immersive the three D 150 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:14.279 was in this sequence. 151 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.839 I isn't that amazing? I mean, yeah, you say, sixteen 152 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.439 years I remember this too as if I just saw it. 153 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.560 I remember seeing those water droplets yep, in three D. 154 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:27.199 It's a great little tease, isn't it. Where he's like, oh, 155 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:29.639 you like the little little water drop there, check this out, 156 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.279 And then he goes into that I don't know what 157 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.039 it is, like hibernation bay or something, and it's just 158 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.440 like whoa. It just goes so deep. 159 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:38.840 And there's people floating around. 160 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:43.480 I mean this Oh yeah, good, sorry, just real quick, yeah, 161 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:47.200 I mean, just to put a button on that prologue 162 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:50.559 sequence that got cut out. It wasn't very much, and 163 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.320 I just to echo the point you were making, I 164 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:57.080 think it showed us the state of just how shitty 165 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.559 life is on earth. Yeah, and I think it would 166 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:01.679 have provided at a necessary contrast, because we don't get 167 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:06.320 that at all in in the in in this version. 168 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.759 And you know, I don't think it would have been 169 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.879 that much of a burden in terms of the run time, 170 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:14.320 So kind of kind of a weird choice that honestly. 171 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:17.360 Yeah, I mean I guess in a way, if I 172 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.279 didn't know it existed, I would still think that, oh, 173 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.519 this is a great exposition efficient at the beginning here, 174 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:25.080 and I get it. And it's sad that his brother 175 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.559 died and they you know, he can do this. It'll 176 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.480 give his life some purpose. I mean, I'll hear. 177 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:35.120 Well, yes and no, because because the one of the 178 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.360 single loudest critiques of this film following its release was 179 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.360 that our main character, Jake Sully played by Sam Worthington, 180 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:46.440 is a bit of a cipher. Yes, right, I mean 181 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:51.960 he's sort of he you know, he he's a pastiche 182 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:57.519 of similar characters in similar movies, and we don't get 183 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:00.039 a clear sense of what drives him, and I I 184 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:04.240 think whatever little bits of character development you could sneak 185 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:05.879 in and the crevices would have been helpful. 186 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.960 Well, I definitely agree with that, yes, with some character things, 187 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.120 but I also feel like I saw some of the 188 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.799 people that they considered for Jake, you know, including Jake, Jillenhall, 189 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.279 Matt Damon, I think even Channing Tatum James Cameron talked 190 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.080 about recently, and I was like, all three of those 191 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.799 people with the same role, the same script, they have 192 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:30.600 a little bit more persona, you know what I mean, 193 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:35.679 just even in their their voices, in their mannerisms that 194 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.200 I think would have rounded out Jake a little bit 195 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.759 more so he doesn't feel so cipher like. And I 196 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.320 feel bad saying that because I do like Sam Worthington. 197 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:48.360 I was talking about this with my brother. He's very 198 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:50.480 good in this, Like he feels like in real life 199 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:53.679 what this guy would be like. But this isn't real life, 200 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:55.759 you know what I mean. This is a movie, and 201 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:59.639 we need especially if he's going to become this blue 202 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.399 creature that looks like every other two hundred blue creatures 203 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.279 I'm looking at, he really needs to pop, you know 204 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:08.639 what I mean, Like, I mean, that is like a 205 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.080 I came away from this movie. 206 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:13.759 Okay, let's go even back. 207 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.480 It's interesting to me that this is a movie when 208 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.080 you just say Avatar, think of Avatar. Speaking for myself, 209 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:23.480 I think it inspires a reaction like maybe even like 210 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:28.080 a snicker, like you know what I mean, which is 211 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.080 too bad because as I was watching this, especially the 212 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:32.879 back half of this movie, I was like, you know, 213 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.840 this movie's really cool. Like it it's got a lot 214 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:39.320 we'll talk about a lot of it, but at the 215 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.320 end of the day, I think it really does what 216 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.159 James Cameron set out to do, and he dazzles when 217 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.240 it's time to dazzle, you know. And for me, speaking 218 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.120 for myself, he made me feel when he wanted me 219 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:55.879 to feel. But there's it's hard to take the whole 220 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:58.879 thing seriously because these people, I think I still can't 221 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:00.919 get over the fact that they do look like three 222 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.200 hundred blue walking talking cats, you know what I mean, 223 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.759 Versus like Dances with Wolves, which is a very similar story. 224 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:10.759 When I take that movie very seriously, yeah, you know, 225 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.279 and feel very moved by it, and in this one, 226 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:18.559 I feel like there is like a good, you know, straightforward, compelling, 227 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:22.000 enough story here, but you can't help but stifle a 228 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.879 little bit of a snicker as you observe portions of it. 229 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.120 And I feel like that is just always going to 230 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:29.360 be attached to the experience. 231 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:34.879 I yeah, I I okay. So a couple of thousand, 232 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:36.639 number one and we were talking about this before we 233 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:42.440 started recording. I have now seen this film four times, totally, okay, 234 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.840 right once I saw it in the theater during its 235 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:49.960 initial run. Yeah, and then in twenty nineteen, so I 236 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:53.120 didn't revisit it for ten years. In twenty nineteen, I 237 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.840 wrote a piece for the paper doing like a ten 238 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.440 year look back at Avatar. So I put it on 239 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.320 and I was like, it's all right, and it's fine, 240 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.120 you know. In my thing, I actually wrote the verdict, 241 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:10.080 it's dot dot dot fine. And then and then they 242 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.519 re released this one to theaters, you know, three years 243 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:14.559 ago or whatever it was two years ago, whenever the 244 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.480 last one came out just before that, and I was like, oh, 245 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.279 this is great. And then I watched this again. It 246 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:21.840 was commentary, and I had to space that out over 247 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:24.279 three days, you were, you know, just because it's long. 248 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:29.000 And I was like it's fine. I'm like, I think 249 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.679 that the big screen and the three D is like 250 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.840 a magical part of the mix. This is like the 251 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.120 Scooby snack that gets the whole thing going. You know. 252 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:38.799 You see the American flag by the way in the 253 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.879 background with the blinds and the like machine. 254 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:42.559 Have you ever noticed it? 255 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.919 Yeah? Yeah, very clever and actually real quick before before 256 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.320 you go further, I want to just point out, while 257 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:52.200 Stephen Lang is front and center, yes, what a freaking 258 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.120 great bad guy. I was just yeah, I was like, 259 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:59.399 chef's kiss. There's a scene later where he's drinking coffee 260 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.799 while just all all kinds of ungodly shit he unleashed, 261 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:03.759 just going on. I'm like, this is a guy who 262 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:04.799 loves being a bad guy. 263 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.720 Dude, I wrote down when he is watching them annihilate 264 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.120 the tree and he's standing in that like warship and 265 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:14.480 he's sipping coffee and he goes, let's make this quick. 266 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:17.320 I want to be home by dinner. I was like, whoa, 267 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:23.080 And it's him too, you know, like his Yeah, he's perfect. 268 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:25.159 I was thinking, if they hadn't used the name I 269 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:26.960 know this came first, but if they hadn't used the 270 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.039 name Lockjaw in one battle after another, like he could 271 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:31.639 totally be like Colonel Lockjaw. 272 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.399 Okay, sorry you were saying. I didn't mean to interrupt you. 273 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.480 No, no, well, I have so many things before I 274 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.000 even started this, and I hadn't watched this in years. 275 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:44.360 I don't even know it more than five six seven. 276 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.360 I didn't see it when it was re released, but 277 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.279 I literally, you know, like when a song you think 278 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.000 of a song, you think of like the hook, like 279 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:53.879 a little like appear in your head. For some reason, 280 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:55.840 I was like, oh yeah, Zachie and I are watching Avatar, 281 00:14:55.919 --> 00:15:00.279 and I was like, eat your ass like Jujubes for 282 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:02.519 some reason that line. And I couldn't even remember when 283 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:04.840 it said or why he says it, but I just 284 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.440 kept thinking, your eyes like Juju Be's. And so when 285 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.679 I saw him rallying his troops here and he's warning 286 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.480 everyone basically about how dangerous Pandora is, He's like, everything 287 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:15.399 out there wants to kill you and eat your eyes 288 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:16.559 like Juju Bests. 289 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:18.440 You're like he said it, he said the thing. 290 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:24.440 He said it? No, so yeah, I like it's funny, 291 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:27.240 Like I I I feel like even if I mentioned 292 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:28.840 to people like oh yeah, Zaki and I are doing 293 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:30.279 a commentary and Avatar this week. 294 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:31.440 There's a little bit of a h. 295 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:34.440 You know, kind of attached to it. I mean with 296 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.720 almost every single person I brought it up with, and 297 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.039 then I watch it and I'm like, yeah, that is there. 298 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:44.320 But at the end of the day, like it's pretty good. 299 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.840 I don't know, like that was kind of my feeling. 300 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.919 Although I want to I want to agree with you. 301 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:53.759 I did find I had a wandering eye a little 302 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:58.519 bit occasionally watching this at home, which I don't tend 303 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:00.519 to do when I'm watching stuff, like I try to 304 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.080 keep my phone away from me, and so there is that, 305 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:07.639 like it is a different experience. Yeah, and it's funny. 306 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.440 I think that's something. There was such a conversation about 307 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.080 this came out two thousand and nine. He was promising sequels. 308 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.960 The years were going by, we weren't getting sequels, and 309 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.799 then that conversation was started. Does anyone even like remember Avatar, 310 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.080 Like things from Avatar haven't seeped into the culture. We 311 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:25.600 don't repeat lines, you don't see people on Avatar t shirt? 312 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.279 Well you clearly did repeat Jujub has never left me 313 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:30.559 and I see you. 314 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:32.039 I remember joking about I see. 315 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:34.440 You with you ever ever since it came out, But 316 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.679 that became part of the conversation. And then the sequel 317 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:42.879 comes out and everyone's like. 318 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:44.360 And by the way, speaking of I don't know how 319 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.879 many times I said, who's got my goddamn cigarette? Right right? 320 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.080 I'm just doing which by the way, I read that 321 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.279 that cigarette is CGI. I don't know if it's a 322 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.320 prop in the smoke of CGI or something, which I 323 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.759 that was amazing because I didn't notice, which reminded me. 324 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:02.879 I watched the latest fifth season of Stranger Things recently, 325 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:05.559 and why non a writer is smoking the most obvious 326 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:07.759 CGI cigarette I've ever seen in my life, and I 327 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.720 was like, Wow, funny progressed in our CGI cigarettes. But no, 328 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:16.519 just what I'm basically trying to get at is what 329 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:18.519 we have learned. So the sequel comes out, Everyone's like, 330 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:20.680 there's no way he can do this again. We've had 331 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.039 this conversation for over a decade. These movies don't last 332 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.599 in the consciousness, and he's like, the only way this 333 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.160 movie can be successful is if it becomes the biggest 334 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.240 movie of all time. And everyone's like, you shouldn't say 335 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:32.599 things like that, mister Cameron, and then it becomes, you know, 336 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.440 the most successful movie of all time or second or 337 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.119 whatever it is. And so I think then we all 338 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:43.440 had the realization these movies rock in theaters, yep, And 339 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.559 we don't take them home with us, we don't watch 340 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:51.039 them on Disney Plus. But when the next one comes out, 341 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.799 we're all going and like and that's not even like dismissive. 342 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.519 It's like, that's what these movies exist to do for us. 343 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.680 These are, that's right, theatrical experiences. We will all go 344 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.599 and enjoy together and make it the third highest grossing 345 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.119 movie of all time or whatever, and then we will 346 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:09.799 move on from it until the next one, and we. 347 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:13.039 Go back to the theater, which is what other movie exists. 348 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:15.880 Like that, That's what I'm saying, man. I mean, it 349 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:21.839 occupies a very specific space. And you and I are 350 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.839 well established in terms of wanting the theatrical experience to 351 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:32.039 remain central to movie going. And while it may not 352 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:36.440 remain central, here's at least one thing that is central, 353 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:39.240 and that we'll get people going into the theater, you know. 354 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.240 And I mean that's strangely, I mean, that was kind 355 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.400 of what Spielberg and Lucas predicted several years ago, right, 356 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:49.359 that the theater going would become more niche, and it 357 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:51.319 would have to be these big event type movies that 358 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.839 would actually get people out of their homes versus being 359 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.680 willing to check out some sort of mid you. 360 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:58.400 Know, budgeted drama or something. 361 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.039 And it feels like, as that's become more and more true, 362 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.960 it may be less you know, oh it's a block 363 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.240 of Godzilla or whatever. Those are in the mix now, 364 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:13.440 but those might even become more like HBO Max exclusives 365 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:16.240 or something, and it's going to be the avatars. They're like, no, 366 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.000 you go to the theater for this, and that's where 367 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.440 this thing is the thing and what it's for. And 368 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:21.119 you know what I mean. 369 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.039 Oh yeah, I mean when you've got an eighty five 370 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:25.680 inch TV high deaf at home, I mean, you know, 371 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:29.160 it gets it gets harder to justify, you know, getting 372 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:32.720 something that different from from theatrical. But I mean again, Avatar, 373 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:36.480 when you're looking when you're doing the IMAX three D, 374 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:42.400 I mean, it's it's it's it's unique, you know, totally totally. 375 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.400 Here's Giovanni Rubisi as Paul Reiser. 376 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:50.359 Oh yeah, yeah, you're so right. It's yeah, one thing. 377 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.839 We can tell about about James Camera, and he has 378 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:57.680 he has certain storytelling, you know, peculiarity, it's one of them. 379 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:02.000 He's not a fan of big corporation, right, and I 380 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:02.599 respect that. 381 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:05.960 Yeah, yeah, I. 382 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:09.599 Mean this is this is This is one thing that 383 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.119 becomes very clear to me watching this film is that 384 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:17.519 it's very earnest, yes, and its heart is very much 385 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.960 on its sleeve about where where its loyalties are. You know, 386 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:27.200 this is not it's not particularly subtle, no, right, And 387 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.119 and that was that was the critique. It took a 388 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:31.880 lot up back when it came out, like oh, it's 389 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:36.400 so it's Dune and fern Gully and dances with Wolves 390 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:37.920 and da da da dah film in the blank, right, 391 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:41.240 John Carter, you know, even though that came later. But 392 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.559 what you realize is that this for for a lot 393 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:51.079 of folks, this is their first that story, and so 394 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.640 it needs to kind of be at that level because 395 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:57.279 because it's making a broader point, and I think an 396 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:03.799 important one, right, because it's about valuing nature and recognizing 397 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.559 how we're all connected. I mean that's good. We don't 398 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.480 have to be on Pandora to love the earth, right, 399 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.000 and to recognize that there are forces that are trying 400 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:20.960 to take it away from us. And I really like 401 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:23.759 that that's the story he's telling. He's clearly very passionate 402 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:28.480 about that, and I think it means something very different 403 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:30.880 to the people who were nine when this came out 404 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:33.240 versus who were twenty nine when it came out. 405 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:37.559 I completely agree with that, and I would it's kind 406 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.079 of fascinating, I think maybe for you and I where 407 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.240 there's movies that come out and we're like, huh oh, 408 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:44.440 that was the thing, and we just kind of move 409 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:46.079 on because we were thirty five when we saw it 410 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.640 or something, and then ten years goes by and you 411 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.359 find out that there's a generation of people passionate about 412 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.240 that thing because they saw it when they were an 413 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:56.920 enterten and I'd be very curious. I haven't really heard 414 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:00.200 kids who have grown up since this came out if 415 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.160 this is in their you know, beloved Cannon. 416 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.720 Well, I can't speak to Beloved Cannon, but I mean, 417 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:09.319 just anecdotally back and forth with my students who are now, 418 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:13.559 you know, like eighteen nineteen, right, so they were little 419 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.160 teeny tinies when this one came out. You know, they 420 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.960 speak with great affinity for both this and the sequel, 421 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:22.880 So okay, it's definitely in the mix, you know. 422 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.599 Yeah, And it's like you were saying, though, it's like 423 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:32.519 how straightforward it is. It's very simply stated, easy to understand, 424 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:35.400 universal themes. You can see why this was the biggest 425 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:38.519 movie in the world, Like the whole world could lock 426 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:39.680 into this story. 427 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:41.039 Yeah, you know. 428 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:43.759 I mean you could even watch it with the sound 429 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:45.920 off and follow it, you know. 430 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.920 Very much so, and that was clearly Cameron's intent, you know. 431 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.480 I mean, I think he did probably sand off a 432 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.799 lot of the subtlety or the subtler edges, and that's 433 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.279 kind of a shame. I mean, you know, this sequence here, 434 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:02.920 I remember reading about how one of the earliest versions 435 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.480 has Jake sort of got onto the grass and instead 436 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.519 of running, you know, he sort of he collapses to 437 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:15.119 his knees and starts to cry, you know, And I 438 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.599 almost wish they would have kept something like that in. 439 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.640 You know, I agree, I agree. I thought that was 440 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.359 what was going to happen, Like I thought he was 441 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:24.799 going to burst out the door and kind of fall 442 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:27.480 or something and get the hang of it, which is 443 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.680 interesting because then it made me think, you know, there's 444 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:35.400 this kind of famous anecdote where James Cameron wanted to 445 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.359 make Jurassic Park. That's right, you know, when that book 446 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.279 was coming out, and then Spielberg got it first, and 447 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:44.839 Cameron said, you know what, it's probably for the best 448 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:46.279 because if I had made it, I would. 449 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.079 Have made Aliens with dinosaurs. It would have been r rated. 450 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.960 And then you see what Spielberg did, and he made 451 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:54.039 something for everybody, for kids, and like dinosaurs are for kids, 452 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.200 My movie would have been the wrong movie, right, And 453 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:00.359 I think that's so interesting, you know, you know, it's 454 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:04.319 sort of like a Disney movie, is what he said, Like, 455 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:06.279 you know, I wouldn't made the Disney movie version of that, 456 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.200 which is funny. I was thinking about that as I 457 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.240 was watching this, because I thought, this, it feels like 458 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.480 a Disney movie, you know, and it's funny that that's 459 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:15.720 coming from James Cameron, right. 460 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:20.799 Right, well, and I think that's part of the reason 461 00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:23.880 why he didn't really skip a beat after the the 462 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:27.799 Disney purchase of Fox, right. I mean, you have to 463 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:29.920 imagine that they're just staying out of his way. They're like, hey, 464 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:32.079 just keep doing what you're doing because there's no real 465 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.000 you know, conflict with that company's goals, you know. 466 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:41.640 And which is kind of interesting too, because you know, 467 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.720 James Cameron had this relationship with Fox, made Titanic, biggest 468 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.839 movie in the world, and he had an eighty page 469 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.559 treatment for this, a version of what would become that. 470 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:54.640 This is like post true Lies, pre Titanic. 471 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:58.359 Yeah, middle nineties basically, but he was realizing that the 472 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.759 technology wasn't there, but when it looked like it could 473 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.039 possibly be there, which I think happened after Lord of 474 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:07.200 the Rings, right, he saw Gollum yeah, and Davy Jones 475 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:09.599 and one of the Pirates movies and was like, maybe 476 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:11.599 we could do this, and so he presented it to 477 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.880 Fox and Fox was like, I don't know, man, you know, 478 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:18.680 like this is a lot. We're not so sure. So 479 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.319 then Cameron went and spoke with Disney, and Disney's like, 480 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:25.920 we're in, and so then Fox was like, who, we'll 481 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.119 hold on and then they exercise their first right of refusal, 482 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:30.079 was like, all right, well Disney wants it, you know, 483 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.400 we'll take it. And of course that was the right gamble. 484 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.519 But it's funny that Disney was interested in it, because 485 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.359 this does feel disney esque, and then Disney would eventually 486 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:41.039 get it because Disney. 487 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.359 I mean even before the purchase, the whole world of 488 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.880 Pandora Disneyland thing was in development, right, this is before 489 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.960 Yeah yeah, So I mean, you know, the overlap is 490 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.799 as clear as day. M hm. It is interesting to me, 491 00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:58.680 by the way. We you know, I think I think 492 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:03.839 overall the effects work holds up pretty darn well. Uh. 493 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.720 There are moments of like Uncanny Valley that like, like, 494 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:10.839 I don't think I ever get used to that first 495 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.519 shot of Grace in her avatar body. 496 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.839 When they introduce her in the Stanfordshire. Yeah, yeah, her 497 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:20.039 face I get pretty good. 498 00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:22.880 Yeah, there's just I think it's just because we're so 499 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.039 we know what Sigourney Weaver sounds like sure sure, sure, 500 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:31.440 sure right, like and it's it's not you know, it's 501 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.640 not like she's voicing a cartoon character. It's meant to 502 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.200 be a you know, a room let person. By the way, 503 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:43.559 here's Michelle Rodriguez playing her character. Yeah, she's got like 504 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.400 one lane. It's a good she does it well. 505 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.400 But she's you know, oh yeah, I like her. I 506 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.000 mean I remember seeing her all the way back in 507 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:53.799 Girl Fight. You know, she's special, like she she really 508 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.759 popped in that movie. And she's found her thing, you know, 509 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.400 so I'm happy she's hung in there well. In two 510 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.480 thousand and nine, the early part of the year saw 511 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:06.599 her character Letty die in in Uh Fast and Furious, 512 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.279 and then at the at the very end of the 513 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.279 year she dies again on screen. So she got doubled it. 514 00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:14.799 I mean, Letty came back later, but as far as 515 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:15.920 men you she was, she was dead. 516 00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:21.079 Yeah, no, but touching on the oh so he Actually 517 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:22.680 I wasn't gonna say this, but when Lang says that 518 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.880 there's low gravity, I was like, Oh, that's like a 519 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.359 nice thing to throw in there for when the bodies 520 00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.039 look a little floaty when they're jumping. Yeah. 521 00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:31.359 I don't know. 522 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.319 I don't know if that was a consideration. We talk 523 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:37.920 about that sometimes with visual effects, where they can miss 524 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.759 a little bit of the the theft, you know, like 525 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.000 when you see a CGR car crash into something, Like 526 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:45.599 in my head, I always think like it's missing the 527 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.880 kuchunk that you would feel or sense when you see 528 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.319 a real car hit something. Sometimes they nail it and 529 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.880 you're like, oh, they got the kachunk. But yeah, to 530 00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:57.240 your point, I think sometimes when they leap and land 531 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.799 on things, you can sense the lack of connection, yeah, 532 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.240 between the characters and the things they're touching, and then 533 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:05.359 like when they're holding ropes or when they're being bound 534 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.559 by things, you can kind of. 535 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:14.279 Yeah, because you can't you can't exactly articulate gravity in 536 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:19.440 a computer, you know it like the weight of movement, 537 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:20.880 you know. Sometimes it's tricky. 538 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.440 Yeah, And I mean for this that's the thing too. 539 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:24.960 I wish I could go back to my two thousand 540 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.119 and nine Eyes because I do remember being blown away 541 00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.279 by this, and I feel a lot of it is 542 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.920 still mind blowing for me. I think when it's nighttime 543 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.599 it's a little less successful. But whenever it's daylight and 544 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.480 you see those trees and there's some sort of haze 545 00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.680 going on, and you see the military vehicles in the air, 546 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.200 and even like you can see more of the pores 547 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.000 on right all the daytime stuff. 548 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.480 I'm like, this still looks incredible. 549 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.119 It holds up remarkably well. Yeah, I mean you can. 550 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.880 I mean they busted their ass back then to sort 551 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:57.440 of have the movie stand the test of time, and 552 00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.839 I think they succeeded. Yeah. Actually, speaking of two thousand 553 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.000 and nine Eyes, I'll tell you one thing. I distinctly 554 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.960 remember watching this opening night and this part right here. 555 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.000 I was like, Oh, okay, this is how the movie 556 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:13.000 is gonna end, introducing this vehicle this I was like, Oh, 557 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.559 so Quorich is in his Avatar and Jake is going 558 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:17.559 to be in his Avatar and they're gonna have a 559 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.000 throw it. I was like, yeah, right here. When he 560 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:20.720 does that, I was like, Oh, that's the ending of 561 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:24.680 the movie right there. Wow, that's pretty good. I remember 562 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:28.359 very distinctly being like, mental note, but let's put a 563 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.359 pin in that and we'll come back to it. That 564 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:37.559 is really funny. It is funny though, because the title 565 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:43.960 of the film has no bearing on anything after this movie. 566 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:45.079 I was thinking about that. 567 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:50.160 M It's like the knives Out movies, where it's like, right, 568 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:52.400 wake up, dead Man, a knives out movie. 569 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.960 It's like I was like, I was like, no one's 570 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.880 an Avatar anymore. Literally, no one is an Avatar anymore. 571 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:00.839 That's a great point. 572 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.799 It's a great all the NAVI like Colonel Koritch is 573 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.000 a Navy, but he's like a real Navy now, you know, 574 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:09.759 you know Grace, No, it's not even Grace, it's what 575 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.279 the daughter. I mean, every every noave character is an 576 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.400 actual navy Yeah. 577 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:16.599 How funny. 578 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.480 See this this stuff is stunning. 579 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.039 No, it's beautiful. Yeah, I mean it looks and in 580 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.640 four K especially, man, it looks like Planet Earth or something, 581 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.720 you know, the documentary series. 582 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:29.799 But I mean if the creatures look good, but even 583 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.279 like the nave here or there, I guess they're the avatars. 584 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.799 But well, this stuff, like I mean, the misty treaties 585 00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:36.480 and everything just. 586 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.799 Looks like you said, looks like the Earth documentary. 587 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.359 But I don't know. Something about the characters in sunlight 588 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.640 really makes it look amazing. And then I feel like 589 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.240 they become a little more cartoon looking when. 590 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.920 It's when you've got like the luminescence at night and stuff. 591 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:58.079 You know, I think partly because you know, the sunlight 592 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.720 forces us to view it through the lens of what 593 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.440 we know, what's familiar. You know, it's a great point 594 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.359 and it has to be animated that way, and then 595 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:11.799 you know it it becomes a cgi wonderland and it's 596 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:13.480 beautiful to look at it. But yeah, it feels a 597 00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:14.920 little more more unnatural. 598 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:20.200 Yeah, well kind of interesting. I mean speaking of you know, 599 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:26.400 the bioluminescence, uh nighttime look of the planets and and 600 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.559 even the characters themselves. I mean, all this stuff came 601 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:35.039 from dreams, which is a familiar story with James Cameron, right, 602 00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:39.960 Like he imagined the Terminator coming out of like rubble 603 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:41.880 in a nightmare, like a fiery rubble. 604 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.519 And he's like, I want to have whatever weird spicy 605 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.160 sushi or whatever shit he's eaten. 606 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:50.160 Well, I was gonna say so. So he as a kid. 607 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.000 Had a dream about like a bioluminescent planet where when 608 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.920 you took steps it lit up beneath your foot. And 609 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.119 then his mom, he says, had a dream about a 610 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.480 twelve foot tall blue woman with six breasts, and and 611 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.519 so then he was like, well the breast didn't work, 612 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:10.480 so we got rid of that. But like not a 613 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:13.279 bad not a bad dream, huh. And I was like, yeah, 614 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.759 the Camerons have very profitable dreams. 615 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.279 Geez. Meanwhile, and well my mom has. My mom has 616 00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:26.920 dreams where I'm not a disappointment to her, right, And 617 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:37.920 then she was I'm joking. I'm sure I'm not a disappointment. No, 618 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:47.799 I see you, thanks man. See see the navvy grace. 619 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:53.119 There is something uncanny Valley about her, more so than 620 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:55.960 than any of the other ones, and I don't know 621 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:56.559 why that is. 622 00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.559 You know what's strange, though, is I I will say, 623 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.319 she's the one that looks most distinctive, more so than 624 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.400 any of the others, and she has a little bit 625 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.680 more of a human nose. Maybe that helps me identify 626 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.839 her more as Sigourney Weaver, whereas. 627 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:13.839 Yeah, I don't know. 628 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.200 I just I feel like it doesn't help that they 629 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.119 look so similar and that they don't act very different 630 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:25.039 from one another than Novi. And then it makes me 631 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.400 think of the sequel. I remember that he has these 632 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:29.680 kids and they're like the main characters in those And 633 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.559 you know, I saw the movie. I enjoyed it enough, 634 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.400 but I don't remember any of them or their personalities, 635 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:37.759 you know, So it's not like I'm really important to 636 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:41.839 see you don't remember. Look, yeah, you know what I mean. 637 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.680 So it's exactly. But but I'm eager to see the 638 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:50.720 new one because I know it'll be an experience. But 639 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.200 it would be nice if I could lock onto these 640 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:54.599 characters better than I do. 641 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.680 So Jake Sully kind of an idiot. 642 00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.680 Huh, just touching everything. 643 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.079 Yeah, I'm like, hey, stupid, why don't you Why don't 644 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.279 you just like uh, you know, uh, hold back slightly, 645 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.320 like carry yourself with I mean, he's supposed to be 646 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.800 a marine. He's not a moron, right. 647 00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.039 Right right this Actually that would be kind of interesting. Yeah, 648 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.440 if he was just like the dopey brother, like he 649 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:19.960 was Uncle buck you know what I mean? Whoa, that's 650 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.800 the movie I want to see where Uncle Bucket but 651 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.719 his scientist brother couldn't you know, got killed, so he 652 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.360 has to go. And then they play wild thing by tone. 653 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:36.039 Look in the trailer, whoa, everything glows playing the drums 654 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.320 on things. 655 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:47.039 I think this Christmas. I'm I'm I'm in man. Yeah, 656 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.960 I think the first you know whatever. However, many minutes 657 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.159 of this movie we're into a lot of it is 658 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.159 like the throat clearing because when you think about it, 659 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.800 like the whole business of what the avatar is and 660 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.440 how it works and the DNA and everything. They they 661 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:09.079 speed ramp past it as much as they can, Yeah, 662 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.960 because it's all a bunch of argyll bargle. Yeah yeah, yeah, 663 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.559 And it's just you got to figure out how to 664 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:18.719 get Jake into this body? Why does it you know? 665 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.320 But it's not his body. They made for his brother, 666 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.559 and so he's not there, you know, like that's all 667 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.360 the the stuff that you just have to get past. Which, 668 00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:28.039 going back to what I was saying earlier, it makes 669 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:29.679 it even more funny to me that the movie is 670 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.639 called Avatar, because it is kind of like a generic 671 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:37.440 nothing of a title. Yeah, you know what I mean. 672 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.280 I almost feel like they should have called it Pandora. 673 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:42.480 That would have been a better title. 674 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:43.960 Yeah. 675 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:45.119 Yeah. 676 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.760 Well, and then for the sequels, like you were saying earlier, 677 00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:52.679 he certainly or Fire and Ash yeah you know, yeah, 678 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.280 I don't know, maybe the music service wouldn't allow it 679 00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:55.719 or something. 680 00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.719 Oh that's a good point. Yeah, no idea. Well, speaking 681 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.760 of music, thing that really did stick out to me 682 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:05.440 this time was how much I miss James Horner. 683 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.760 I had the same feelings. He is just man, talk 684 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:11.840 about someone like you just hear a few notes from 685 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:16.079 the man. Yeah, and he just I don't know, chills. 686 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.920 He really he's so good at sweeping this, you know, 687 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:26.960 I think of you know, obviously Titanic, Brave Heart rocketeer, 688 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.159 you know what I mean, Like he just captures grandeur 689 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:35.320 and sweepingness and I don't know, majesty so well, yeah, 690 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.159 I just oh gosh, I miss him. 691 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.760 Yeah, I you know, because because he did not do 692 00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.280 the music for well either Seaguals. But I think he 693 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.960 had started writing music for the first time. But I 694 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.320 mean obviously not at all involved in in the most 695 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.320 recent one, which I have seen and you have not. 696 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.719 We should mention as a as a little stick pin 697 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:56.400 in time here and having just seen the third one 698 00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.760 back to back with this one, this one after like, man, 699 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:02.880 he's really missed. 700 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.639 Oh really Okay, I mean not even like I don't. 701 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.840 I don't mean that to sound like a ding on 702 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.360 on the new movie, but I'm just like, the score 703 00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:13.280 doesn't do what this one does for me. 704 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.679 You know, I do remember, as someone who maybe saw 705 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:22.079 the movie twice, this the first one, then saw the sequel, 706 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:26.000 I do remember hearing like the four note theme, you know, 707 00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:26.480 the don. 708 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:28.239 That's more. 709 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:34.639 But I remember thinking like, oh, yeah, I'm I'm back 710 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.119 in like a place that I enjoy yeah, like and 711 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.519 I give that credit to Horner. He created something that 712 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.159 I enjoyed hearing that made me feel like I enjoyed 713 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:47.000 being there, you know, it gave me an emotional feeling. 714 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.480 Yeah, So just well that that that isn't the new 715 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.840 and you'll definitely hear that, but you know, James Horner 716 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.960 was what really was singular. You know, he's been I 717 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.440 mean for he's been gone for ten years now recording this. Wow. 718 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.840 But yeah, but I I think along with what you're saying, 719 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.119 it's it's not just the themes, and the themes are great, 720 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.280 but it's the music that's in between the themes also, 721 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.840 like the underscore underscore, and you know, he you even 722 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.039 hear a little bit of alien in this, you know 723 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:17.719 where you hear that what sounds like someone hitting a 724 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.519 steel Annville, you know, you know, like and it just 725 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.400 gives you this real like sense of urgency. 726 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.119 And yeah, he was he was one of the masters. 727 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.039 Yeah, I I remember, you know, and James Cameron, sorry, 728 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.599 James Horner was known even when he was alive for 729 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.599 you know, he would reuse many of his motives, you know, 730 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.000 and at the time, you know, you would sort of 731 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:43.000 nudge him good naturedly about that. And now it's like, ah, 732 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.039 that's that thing that he did all the time and 733 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.800 nobody else did or does, you know, so you miss 734 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.320 it even more, you know, and I love how it 735 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:54.760 makes me feel, Yeah, like there's this way it's like you. 736 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.840 Know he is oh yeah, yeah, the horn. 737 00:38:58.199 --> 00:38:58.440 Yep. 738 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.239 Yeah, you'll hear any movie he scores, you'll hear that. 739 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:06.280 Yep. It's so funny. 740 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:10.559 I'm admiring. What are we thirty minutes in? Just about 741 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:11.400 thirty two minutes in. 742 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.400 Just the well the efficiency I was you were talking 743 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:20.079 about it earlier, but just how quickly. There's a lot 744 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.320 to explain, but they do it as efficiently as possible. 745 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:24.480 I get it. 746 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:27.039 And he's already in his avatar and he's on. 747 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.920 A hunt and it's like twenty some minutes in, Like 748 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:33.159 that's pretty great. And then I don't know, just watching 749 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.039 this with the sound off and you know, seeing this 750 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.199 warrior about to you know, shoot Jake. But then these 751 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:42.440 magical little fluffy things come down to land on the 752 00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.760 arrow like telling her no, Like it's that's just making 753 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.840 it's making me feel something, you know. It's like it's 754 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.320 I got to give the movie that, Like it's it's 755 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:56.400 still somehow can't shake a little bit of a silliness, 756 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.639 you know, this movie, but. 757 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:06.159 It also works, you know, I agree. And by the way, 758 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.039 those magical fluffy things they're called taylu by the. 759 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.639 Please don't do you have something like open in front 760 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:18.599 of you, like yeah, I just pulled it up. It's amazing. 761 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:20.320 Excuse me, Brian. 762 00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:30.800 But I remember, like after this movie came out reading 763 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.800 articles about people who left the movies and were like 764 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:39.840 depressed that they didn't live on Pandora. You know, yeah, 765 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.559 same and and and I remember, you know, people kind 766 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.719 of chuckled and or pointed fingers at those type of stories. 767 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.159 But I think that speaks to sort of the purity 768 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:55.039 of what Cameron was attempting to do. 769 00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:57.199 Escape One. 770 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:02.480 Yeah, he wanted to create a place that, in addition 771 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.119 to offering escapism, felt so immersive that you felt like 772 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:10.679 you felt like Jake when he lies down in his 773 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:13.280 little that that bed and he you know, and he's 774 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.199 in his knobby body. That's what he wanted audiences to feel. 775 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:19.119 Yeah. 776 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.119 And look, you know, money doesn't lie. I mean, this 777 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:28.639 movie did not make three billion dollars almost from hate watching. 778 00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:31.719 Yeah, yeah, that's a great point, Like. 779 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.239 You have to you have to look at that. It's 780 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:35.920 one thing if the movie tanks, you say, Okay, well 781 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.159 it didn't succeed. No, no, you make that kind of 782 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.800 money because people are going back again and again to 783 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:41.239 watch it. 784 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:44.440 You know, I want to comment on what you just said, 785 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:48.320 You're so right. I hadn't appreciated it enough. But the 786 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:53.960 world is so immersive, every detail. And one of the 787 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.719 things that's been driving me crazy in the past maybe 788 00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:02.079 ten ish years, is when you see characters in another 789 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:06.760 planet or a weird sort of space, it doesn't really 790 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.079 go that far back visually, like I mean, one of 791 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.280 the first examples that comes to mind is Rise of Skywalker, 792 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.760 when Ray is in the Emperor's Arena and it's so 793 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:25.280 vague the space that she's in. It's all dark and 794 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.320 shadowy and almost like they didn't quite know what they 795 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.119 wanted to put there and then just decided, what if 796 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:30.320 we didn't put anything? You know. 797 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:33.880 And I know this isn't a great. 798 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.920 Example, but I think of Deadpool and Wolverine where they're 799 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.280 in that wasteland, and which it is a wasteland, to 800 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:41.760 be fair, but it also reminds me of a lot 801 00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.719 of these settings we see now that are you know, 802 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.079 dropped in through visual effects, that our characters are wandering 803 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:49.599 through in other planets where there's just. 804 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.800 It's just kind of nothing, you know what I mean. 805 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.480 There's not a lot of texture or detail or anything 806 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.679 behind them. It's just it's very vague. It's more like 807 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.079 a color that they're wandering through, you know, like a 808 00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:07.519 ground and sort of a out of focus you know, background, 809 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.360 and this, Yeah, this feels like a place that I 810 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.840 can imagine walking through. I can close my eyes and 811 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.760 picture what it would be like to walk on those 812 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.239 branches and there the vines and. 813 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.760 All of that, you know, and well and and see. 814 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:25.840 I think what that gets to is how deeply you 815 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:30.199 think through the fantasy environment your characters are in, right, 816 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.800 because you could be like, oh, you know, everything these 817 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.159 days it's they're not shooting on real location. Everything's on 818 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.159 a green screen, right. Well, I mean this is obviously 819 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:43.639 green screen, right, but you know, as what I read 820 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:48.840 is that Cameron took you know, Zoe Saldana and Sam 821 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.519 Arthington to Hawaii and they were just trapesing through the 822 00:43:53.079 --> 00:44:00.360 forests to get a feel for what that's like, you know. Yeah, 823 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.440 and we know he's so he's so a detail oriented 824 00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.760 that he would really want all of the footfalls and 825 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:13.559 everything to really have have, you know, to have some 826 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.000 degree of physics behind it, you know. And I think 827 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.360 unfortunately we're in a time now where there's a sense 828 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.719 of like, oh, just have the CGI artists to do 829 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:26.159 it and without giving them the proper runway to really 830 00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:28.320 execute maximally. Right. 831 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.639 I'm glad you said that, because yeah, there's nothing wrong 832 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.840 with the visual effects or the visual effects artists. It's 833 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.679 a lack of you know, thinking things through and it's like, well, 834 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:38.159 what's back there, Like I don't know, fill it in, 835 00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.159 you know, whereas James Cameron, like this place exists in 836 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:47.719 his mind and obviously he has you know, the cachet 837 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.199 that he has where he could have Fox pay him 838 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:54.079 for eighteen months just to develop a world, you know, 839 00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:56.639 and hire artists to come up with all these things. 840 00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:01.960 Not everybody has that luxury. But you know, his passion 841 00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.239 for this and the proof that this has existed for 842 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.199 decades in his mind is all on screen here. 843 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:13.320 That's really I you know, I think anybody who signs 844 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.840 up to work for James Cameron knows what they're getting, 845 00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.719 you know, and he's going to be exacting. But I mean, 846 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.599 to his credit, he holds himself to a high standard 847 00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:26.960 in terms of the movies that are put out there. 848 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.880 You know. Yeah, I heard tell that, Like he kept 849 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.599 a nail gun on him and if anybody's phone rang, 850 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.440 he would nail it to the wall, and I'm like, 851 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.039 what kind of frickin dumb ass person he would show 852 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.280 up on, of all sets, a James Cameron set without 853 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.360 your phone silenced? 854 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.280 Yeah, you know, I mean I've heard I've heard stories 855 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:53.760 about you know, they make crew T shirts that are 856 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.400 just blocks of text of all the insults that he 857 00:45:56.559 --> 00:46:00.159 lobbed during the entire shoot. And they're like they're not 858 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.800 even like, you know, like clever and creative, They're just like, 859 00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:05.320 you know what, effing idiot. 860 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.159 You know, they're just very mean. 861 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:09.119 You know. 862 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:12.599 But it's like people are like, yeah, James Cameron, It's 863 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.880 just it's just one of those people that can kind 864 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:15.559 of get away with that. 865 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:18.199 Yeah, I mean, I I don't think I would. I 866 00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:22.079 would want to be anywhere anywhere near a film set, 867 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.559 like a James Cameron film set. I'd love to sit 868 00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:26.679 at a table and talk about like freaking like like 869 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.960 Blade Runner with him or something. Yeah, you know, like 870 00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.159 not even movies he's made, just movies he likes. 871 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:32.920 Mm hmm. 872 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:33.840 Actually I would do. 873 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.840 And as I said before, I'd be like, so, so, Jim, 874 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:39.400 what do you think of Stockton Rush? And then I 875 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:43.239 just kind of sit lean back for the next eighteen 876 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.159 hours as he just went off. You know. 877 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.199 But that's the thing, right, like you don't we don't 878 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:51.599 get a lot of long form interviews with him. But 879 00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.840 with this latest you know, Fire and Ash coming out, 880 00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.039 he has done a couple of podcasts and I've. 881 00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.800 Gobbled them up because I'm very interested to hear what 882 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:01.440 what's on his mind. 883 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:03.760 Yeah, well, I mean, sorry, that. 884 00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:06.400 Cracks me up by the way, where these like magical 885 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.719 creatures are like choosing him and being like you are 886 00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:11.039 the chosen one, and he's just flicking them away like 887 00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.880 stop it at that cracks. 888 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:14.039 Me up. 889 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:16.400 Anyway. 890 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:22.239 Sorry, I had to point that out. No, what was 891 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:31.199 I saying? Yeah, yeah, I think that the desire that 892 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:36.239 he has to give all of this authenticity is you know, 893 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.960 it's reflected in sort of the exacting nature, and I 894 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.559 think that's part of why fifteen years later, we're able 895 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.599 to look at this this frame right here and say 896 00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.719 it's a beautiful frame and it still holds up. They 897 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:53.920 didn't cut corners and that makes the difference, you know. Yep, 898 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:58.280 It's it's somewhat ironic because the first time I ever 899 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.840 heard the phrase and his temporary film is Forever was 900 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.599 attributed to Peter Jackson on the Lord of the Rings trilogy. 901 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:11.519 Oh interesting, I was for me it was Zamechas. 902 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.960 Yeah, right, I think with regards to the future, probably right, Yeah, 903 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.679 And that was a quote that I you know, I 904 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.159 put it in my well, maybe Zamechas conveyed it to 905 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.199 Peter Jackson because they he produced The Frighteners. 906 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.519 Oh interesting, Oh interesting, yeah. 907 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.119 Right, But anyway, I remember that quote as something like, 908 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.199 you know, you put in the effort at this stage. 909 00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:35.800 It's it's hard, but I mean, this is a movie 910 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.039 that's going to live forever. And I contrast that with 911 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.320 and I've told you about this before when you watch 912 00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:45.119 the behind the scenes footage of the Hobbit trilogy, where 913 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.119 Peter Jackson is is somewhat like just a husk of 914 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:53.159 a man, right trying to you know, because because that movie, 915 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.159 that trilogy was supposed to be two movies, and then 916 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.119 at the eleventh hour Warner Brothers like, no, it's going 917 00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.159 to be three, and he has to sort of contrive 918 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.760 an ending, a cliffhanger for movie two to lead into 919 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.920 movie three. And you see him on this sid it's 920 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.800 just a green screen, and he's like and then you're 921 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.760 gonna go like this, this, this, and he's like acting 922 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:11.880 out motions and these actors like okay, you know, the 923 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:15.760 kind of shruggling shoulders and that sequence in the film. 924 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.519 I will just say, even though I like that trilogy, 925 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:23.960 that sequence is not it's not great. Sure, sure, because 926 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.320 you see the stitches a little bit, you know, and 927 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:32.639 you know, it's like even Peter Jackson got broken a 928 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:38.400 little bit, you know, And so I respect that James 929 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.880 Cameron at this point, correct me if I'm wrong. This 930 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.840 right here. Avatar it's the only filmmaker driven franchise left 931 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:47.280 in town. 932 00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:49.679 Yeah. 933 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.800 Yeah, he's the only one who's got the juice yea 934 00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:55.519 to be like, we're gonna do it my way. My 935 00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:59.639 way is the only way, and that's it, you know. 936 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.360 And I think part of it is because he can 937 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.400 be like, look, you guys want to make an Avatar 938 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:08.159 without me, go nuts, right try, you know, right right, 939 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:09.559 good luck. 940 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:10.480 That's a good point. 941 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:14.039 And it's I heard him on a podcast. I wish 942 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.679 I could remember which one it was, but and he 943 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.239 was even saying, you know, about the changing landscape of 944 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:23.320 theatrical movies, and he was like, there's just not an 945 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:27.480 ecosystem for another meed to happen. Yeah, and he's like, 946 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:29.960 so I get to make this, He's like, but there 947 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.239 could be someone else out there who's got this a 948 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.880 thing like this living in their brain and they'll never 949 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.159 get to share it with anybody. And so then you 950 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.440 know you've got like these you know, exciting filmmakers coming up. 951 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:48.760 What's the guy Predator bad Lands? Oh yeah, Dan Trackenberg 952 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.159 and and I bet he's got something in there like this, 953 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.119 but like, he's gonna have to keep making Predator movies 954 00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.559 and I like them, but that's the only thing that 955 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.320 people are a trust to be made in this moment. 956 00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.679 And so it's kind of like cool, but like, what 957 00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:07.920 are we missing out on? That could be the thing 958 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.320 that you could be, the new thing you could be 959 00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:11.920 dining out on for the next twenty years. 960 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.280 You know, that's really something. Yeah. I mean, Avatar could 961 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.480 only happen because the movie before it was Titanic. 962 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.559 Oh, I mean yeah, you think about if Titanic hadn't happened, 963 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.840 we still might we might not have gotten Avatar from 964 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.440 even James Cameron. Titanic allows you to be. 965 00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:30.559 Like blue people that cost three hundred million, Okay, Yeah, yeah. 966 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.760 That's exactly it. Yeah, so did you know that Dad 967 00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:36.360 here is played by Wes Study. 968 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.440 I did because I had done some research before I 969 00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:42.119 watched it, but I don't know that I would have 970 00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:43.000 remembered that. 971 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.679 Yeah. I looked it up after. I was like, well, 972 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:45.960 I'll be damned. I love West Study. 973 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:51.800 He's a great Yeah. Yeah, you know, I thought was 974 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.360 kind of interesting by the way, and some of the 975 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:57.199 research I did, so, you know, Fox obviously took a 976 00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.880 big gamble, and this was kind of you know, speaking 977 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.920 of like a blank check, you know, like Cameron's earned 978 00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:06.960 his blank check movies. The one thing that they wouldn't 979 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.079 allow him to do was because he wanted to make 980 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.079 this shoot it in three D. He wanted the action 981 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:17.880 sequences to be at forty eight frames per second. Oh okay, gotchay, 982 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.440 And so they were like no, that was like a 983 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.519 line that they drew, like, you know, all movies are 984 00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.679 twenty four frames, this is going to be twenty four frames. 985 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:26.719 What I thought was interesting. 986 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:30.199 Was then when he re released it, the action sequences 987 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.320 arened forty eight frames per second. Because after he made, 988 00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.519 you know, a three billion dollar movie, he could be 989 00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:38.079 there like, uh, yeah, I guess what you're paying for 990 00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:39.039 on this re release. 991 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:42.320 The thing I hate forty eight fps. It drives me bananas. 992 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:42.920 Well, it's gonna say. 993 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:46.639 And then the second one had that during the action 994 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.079 sequences forty eight frames per so he got to do 995 00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.000 it on first go, and I assumed the third one 996 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.159 has it. It does yeah, yeah, and so yeah, yearning 997 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:55.719 load it? 998 00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.639 I load it? Yeah, tell tell me? 999 00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.199 Why can you? Can you describe it? 1000 00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:00.920 What it it looks? 1001 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.000 I can't. Well, and actually, real quick, before you know, 1002 00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.920 you talk about how this movie very much falls into 1003 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.280 the tropes of these type of pictures. You know, the 1004 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:13.519 character Sutek who initially is like you know this outside 1005 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.400 or whatever. It's like you know, you you you know 1006 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.239 the rhythms of these things. Oh, it's like that's the 1007 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.079 guy who's gonna hate him initially, and then they're gonna 1008 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.960 become best friends, you know, right, he's he's wind in 1009 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.440 his hair or whatever, you know, all the things, you know, 1010 00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:27.679 and so again you always have to look at it 1011 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:29.639 from the lens of like, Okay, but imagine this is 1012 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:34.159 somebody's first time watching this, right, they'll appreciate that character progression. 1013 00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:37.440 But but yeah, forty eight frames for a second. I 1014 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.679 think I told this story many many moons ago, so 1015 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.639 at this point it's been long enough. My first encounter 1016 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.159 with forty eight frames a second was actually watching the 1017 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:50.039 first Hobbit film, an unexpenditure, and it was it was 1018 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.480 IMAX three D forty eight frames a second, and I 1019 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.039 don't know what it was. I think it was that 1020 00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:59.119 particular mix of ingredients. It's like it's like The Jokers, 1021 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.039 Poisons and bat nine where certain things together, and that 1022 00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:05.280 was the mix. And about a third of the way 1023 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.079 into that movie, I was like, I'm gonna throw up 1024 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.079 or pass out. And since I got up and I 1025 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.639 left the theater and I literally did pass out, wow, 1026 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.679 because one of the people working at the theater woke 1027 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:23.079 me up. Really, so you were like not for long, 1028 00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:28.199 maybe maybe for maybe thirty seconds if that, but for 1029 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.679 sure I was, you know, like I was like, what happened? 1030 00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.920 You know? Yeah? So that's obviously that's like a data 1031 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:39.280 point where a bad mix. It didn't happen with with 1032 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:43.719 with the avatar. But to me, weirdly, even though forty 1033 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.800 eight frames a second, see, that was my point of 1034 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.159 view right there. The AMC guys like, hey, buddy, you okay, 1035 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:55.440 you know, I think forty eight frames a second is 1036 00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.000 meant to be closer to normal movement, right, that's the 1037 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:05.119 filmmak impetus behind it. Sure, but I think that well, 1038 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.639 and I think, sorry, I think Cameron wants it because 1039 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:11.559 it reduces like the jutter that happens when the camera's 1040 00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:12.639 moving around fast. 1041 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:16.000 So there's like a you know, the so for three D. 1042 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.440 He thinks it's a better experience if you're seeing less flicker. 1043 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.639 But here's the problem. To me, it looks like video 1044 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.079 game cutscenes. 1045 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.119 Yeah, or like a soap opera, you know. It's like 1046 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.639 that terrible motion smoothing thing on your exactly. 1047 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:32.960 It's too smooth, you know. I think that that persistence 1048 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:37.400 of vision and sort of there's an aspect of twenty 1049 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.159 four frames a second that lets your brain do some 1050 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:44.559 of the work that gives it more smoothness weirdly than 1051 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.519 forty eight frames a second. And so I hate it. 1052 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:51.519 I just don't like it. And I think in my 1053 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.079 you know, now, one, two, three avatars I've seen with 1054 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.840 that forty eight frames a second, it it's distracting because 1055 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.440 the character scene don't have it, And then you go 1056 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:07.039 to wide shots with action and it's very prominent and yeah, 1057 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:11.280 yeah that that transition is very distracting. 1058 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.480 Yeah, yeah, mixing them. If you're gonna do the whole 1059 00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:19.519 thing one way, maybe you'll calibrate. But yeah, I'm trying. 1060 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.440 Remember the first time I ever saw it was that 1061 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.039 Will Smith movie Gemini Man. 1062 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.840 Yes, oh that's right, Yeah, which. 1063 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:29.480 I remember is seeing just for that reason, like I 1064 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:30.800 didn't have a lot of interest in it, but I 1065 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.239 was like, I want to see what that looks like 1066 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.440 because I hadn't seen to that point, and I was like, yeah, 1067 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.079 I just I don't know, it doesn't do anything for me. 1068 00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.519 Yeah, I know filmmakers seem to have just a heart 1069 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:43.800 on for it, but some of them do. 1070 00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.559 Yeah, I know, well Jackson and then ang Lee remember that, 1071 00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:49.559 and it was like maybe even like. 1072 00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:51.960 Listen Gemini Man, Anglee, wasn't that him? Or that was 1073 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.079 John who directed that Gemini Man? 1074 00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:56.039 Actually, I literally. 1075 00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.199 Just I had it up and then I wasn't it Angley? 1076 00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:00.440 Maybe I don't even remember. 1077 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:05.039 That movie was pretty pretty mid Yeah is that funny? 1078 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:08.800 Yeah? Oh yeah he did that Billy was it Billy. 1079 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:09.800 Lyn's Halftime Walk? 1080 00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:13.280 That was another one where yeah, the whole thing was Yeah, 1081 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.119 I just think I don't think people like it, you know, 1082 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:21.320 I think we're used to the image that twenty four 1083 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.840 frames a second gives us. M hm, you know, well 1084 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:27.000 to your point, I don't like the jumping between them. 1085 00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:29.599 I find that distracting very much. 1086 00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:33.199 So yeah, yeah, not like this is it like a 1087 00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:38.000 whole story thing where it's basically these scientists have studied 1088 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.239 these people for a long time, and obviously they're the 1089 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:42.480 ones who would like to connect. But this this guy 1090 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.840 somehow found his way in is he gets this guy 1091 00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:45.960 who's a little jealous of it. 1092 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.199 Now, didn't you get the sense that that norm like 1093 00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.400 that would be more of a thing that he's jealous 1094 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.840 of Jake? And right, like it almost feels like that 1095 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.480 was something that maybe they thought of early on and 1096 00:57:57.519 --> 00:57:58.719 they just decided not to do. 1097 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:01.800 Yeah, I mean it's it's here, we get it in 1098 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:04.840 this scene, but it's not something that continues, I guess, right. 1099 00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.239 I mean, by by the second act, you know, they're 1100 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:10.880 they're sympatico. But it almost it almost felt like that 1101 00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:13.280 would have been some kind of a plot line. 1102 00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.199 I could see that. I mean, maybe it was in 1103 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:18.679 his director's cut that's like over three hours and then 1104 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:19.320 they're like this. 1105 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.119 The super duper extendo version. 1106 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:24.840 Yeah, yeah, which I actually have. 1107 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:25.639 I have. 1108 00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:27.519 I had a friend that worked at Fox and he 1109 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:29.840 got me the Blu ray that has all the additions. 1110 00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.000 Now I'm kind of regretting I didn't watch the longer 1111 00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:34.679 version so I could have it as comparison, right now. 1112 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:40.199 Yeah, the three hour cut. It's see, it's weird because 1113 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:43.360 that's what I watched. And other than that, that prologue sequence, 1114 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.800 that's the thing that sticks out as the most like, 1115 00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:47.840 oh yeah, that definitely wasn't in the theatrical. The rest 1116 00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:51.119 of it is. It's all just texture mostly, you know, 1117 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:53.559 And I I think, you know, we've talked about this 1118 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:58.039 before where I think Cameron's instincts are pretty good in 1119 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:02.159 terms of what to what to cut for the theatrical 1120 00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:05.039 and knowing that he can he can he can make 1121 00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.360 his longer version anyway, you know, because he's done that 1122 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:09.159 with Alien, he did it with T two. 1123 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.199 Yeah, yeah, abyss, you know that's right, Yeah, almost every 1124 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.119 almost everyone. 1125 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:18.760 Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I think other than like Titanic 1126 00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:24.320 and True Lies, you know. Yeah, and you know, like 1127 00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:26.519 Aliens is a good example, right because the special edition 1128 00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.960 I think is pretty darn good. But if if, if 1129 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.000 you if you're just coming in and you're not already 1130 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.639 on board, then you know, what theatrical cut gives you 1131 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:37.639 is is plenty. 1132 00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:40.960 I kind of feel that way about the Abyss, although 1133 00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:44.880 I mean it significantly alters the other that one, I 1134 00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:46.639 feel like you're in the minority on because I think 1135 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.239 most people tend to prefer that the director's cutter the 1136 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:50.119 special I like. 1137 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:51.800 The changes to the third act. 1138 00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.159 I would keep the director's cut third act, but I 1139 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:58.320 feel like he adds some things that just move a 1140 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.920 little bit of the snap remove you know, it lacks 1141 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.760 a little snap for the first two acts that I 1142 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.480 prefer in the theatrical cut. But I do like, yeah, 1143 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.280 everything that happens in the third act, which is a 1144 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:15.599 lot more. But anyway, we avatar. 1145 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.119 Yeah, so well, we were talking about, you know, at 1146 01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.119 least for me, the little bit of Uncanny Valley with 1147 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.360 the Grace Nave, I don't get that at all. 1148 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:30.400 With Natiri, she's the best. To me, I think the 1149 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:31.199 best realized. 1150 01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:36.840 That's amazing. What's crazy is it is clearly Zoe Saldana, Yes, 1151 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.159 Like I mean you can see that it is her, 1152 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:42.199 and yet it is not her, it's extraordinary. 1153 01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:47.519 You know. Yeah, And I just feel, I don't know, 1154 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:52.159 I kind of wonder too if there was like tears 1155 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.280 to the level of detail. 1156 01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:57.159 For certain shots where it's like, Okay, this is kind. 1157 01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:59.719 Of like a more wide shot. Maybe we don't need 1158 01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.679 to go as hard on this just for the sake 1159 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:05.239 of time, you know, money or whatever. But then sometimes 1160 01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.239 you see these close up shots in the tirie where 1161 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:10.159 there's like sun behind her and you can see, you know, 1162 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:15.360 the light through her hair like this, the detail on 1163 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.679 her is insane. I feel like I noticed it more 1164 01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:18.719 on her than anyone else. 1165 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:25.800 Yeah, well, I think that the challenge is she has 1166 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:28.519 to look alien, but she's also kind of gotta look 1167 01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:29.639 hot too, right. 1168 01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.119 Like, yeah, because we need to, you know, understand our 1169 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:34.039 human character falling in love with her. 1170 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.400 Right And that's kind of that's a balancing act, you know. 1171 01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:42.880 But I hadn't even thought about it till right now. 1172 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:44.280 But it is interesting. 1173 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.719 I feel like Sigourney Weaver's avatar is the only one 1174 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:51.159 that looks more it looks more human like than any 1175 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:51.760 of the others. 1176 01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:54.119 I think that's the problem, is it looks too much 1177 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.360 like her. Yeah, that's the That's why it irks me 1178 01:01:58.400 --> 01:01:58.760 a little. 1179 01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:02.639 So like when she smiles or something, You're like, that 1180 01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:03.320 doesn't look great. 1181 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:09.960 Yeah, because because the the the Kiri character her the 1182 01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:14.599 Grace's daughter, who also Sigourney he replaced. I don't get 1183 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:18.639 that same uncanny valley with her, not in the same 1184 01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:22.840 way these. Look at these, I mean look at the 1185 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:28.039 the the the just bonkers vision that James Cameron has. 1186 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.079 You know, let's on these mountains. 1187 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:34.599 That float, you know, yeazing beautiful in these like vines 1188 01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:38.159 connecting some of them, and like, yeah, it's it's gorgeous. 1189 01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.199 Gotta be honest, though, I I like how the ships 1190 01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:48.719 are very like Ron Cobb alien alien style. I mean, 1191 01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:52.480 they feel like they could fit into his Aliens universe, 1192 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:53.920 you know, James Cameron. 1193 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:54.519 That's a great point. 1194 01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:56.400 I didn't think about that, but that's probably why I 1195 01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:57.840 like them. 1196 01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:00.840 And and yet I mean, look at this right here 1197 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:03.360 like that, I mean that could be the Salaco you know, 1198 01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:10.440 m yeah, but it but juxtaposed with this utterly, utterly 1199 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.880 transporting you know, fantasia around them, I think that's what 1200 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:21.400 that's what makes it work for me. You know, this was. 1201 01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:24.960 Actually there was two things that I was going to 1202 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:26.719 bring up. Well, you know, I'll bring this up first. 1203 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:31.280 I always find it fascinating when new languages are created 1204 01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:32.639 for films. 1205 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.480 Oh yeah, like. 1206 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.760 What a like that's wild, Like that just feels like 1207 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.559 a lot of work, you know, coming up with I 1208 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:43.599 don't know, sentence structures and certain words and how to 1209 01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.800 pronounce them. And so they yeah, they brought in a 1210 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:50.519 linguist for this movie and created the Navi language from scratch. 1211 01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:51.679 I don't know. 1212 01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:52.840 I just find that kind of amazing. 1213 01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.000 Yeah, you know, and they, I mean, they do that 1214 01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:58.559 for a lot of films, but you know, well Lord 1215 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:02.719 of the Rings, right, Elvin and everything that's right, I 1216 01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:04.800 don't know, And so I just think it's it's it's 1217 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:07.480 one thing to make a movie and it takes place 1218 01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:09.559 in Japan and you learn some Japanese words, you're like, oh, 1219 01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:11.039 I know a few of these words, and you kind 1220 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:13.360 of can build off of that. But here it's like 1221 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.079 this just comes from absolutely nowhere, and you've got to 1222 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.400 learn all this language and then have someone tell you 1223 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:23.480 you're doing it wrong, you know, right, I don't know. 1224 01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:25.880 It's always impressive to me. 1225 01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:31.639 And I was reading too when they were considering it, 1226 01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:33.480 just well they came up with about a thousand words, 1227 01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:35.920 and they were like Cameron's order was, and it has 1228 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.239 to sound nice to the audience, you know what I mean. 1229 01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:41.960 So it's like just now go get to work. Yeah, yeah, 1230 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.880 like something that's pleasing to listen to. I don't know, 1231 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:46.280 it's interesting. 1232 01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:52.079 There. There's one bit of backstory in the in the 1233 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:55.199 special edition that I thought was I don't believe it's 1234 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.840 it's in this It's where Grace talks about how how 1235 01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:03.960 NITII had a sister. Oh, and she taught both of them, 1236 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.880 like that's why she said, Na Tiri and her sister 1237 01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:08.639 were like two of her best students. And the sister 1238 01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:14.519 was killed by the by the Marines or whatever. And 1239 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:20.000 and I'm like, you know, I definitely I understand cutting it, 1240 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:22.039 probably just just for the sake of pacing. But I 1241 01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:24.559 also thinks as a bit of backstory, I think that's 1242 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:29.360 that's helpful just in terms of broadening out the world 1243 01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:33.760 before we get here. You know, this stuff all looks 1244 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:35.119 Oh it's fantastic. 1245 01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:37.840 Yeah, And I mean she looks and I was talking 1246 01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:42.679 about you know, heft and weight and things like the 1247 01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:45.239 way that she's positioned on that thing and soaring through 1248 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:48.719 the air like that, you know, it just it looks 1249 01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:54.840 very good. Yeah, this was one of the first times 1250 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.719 I remember reading about and maybe it was developed for 1251 01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:02.800 this film. But Cameron had a virtual camera system, okay, 1252 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.719 where he could you know. I had read that the 1253 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:09.719 acting portion of this was captured in like thirty one days, 1254 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:12.960 you know, because why not, right, Like, you don't have 1255 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.400 to set up shots. They're literally just in like an 1256 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:19.960 open area in these capture suits. Act out the whole movie. 1257 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.159 Then you have the data, put it into a computer. 1258 01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:27.079 Then Cameron goes in and crafts, well, let's make this 1259 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.519 a close up, you know, like it just he's got 1260 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:31.519 all of it. It can be anything he wants, so he 1261 01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:33.599 can choose, well, let's swoop around this, let's look at 1262 01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:35.800 this from behind, let's put the camera up hi over here, 1263 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.679 just with everything he's already captured in the thirty days. 1264 01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.119 But when he was there capturing that stuff, he had 1265 01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:46.679 a virtual camera system where he could look through the 1266 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.400 camera and see what the actors would kind of look 1267 01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:51.920 like in a rudimentary way as their characters, but also 1268 01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:55.400 see forest behind them, you know, like fill in the background. 1269 01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:59.400 He said it was like a big, powerful game engine. 1270 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:01.800 You know, we're like he sing, so he could get 1271 01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:03.239 an idea of what it would look like if they 1272 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.159 were in a big open field versus, oh, they're on 1273 01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:06.559 top of a mountain or you know. 1274 01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:10.000 Yeah, but I feel like I've seen that since. But 1275 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:12.079 I think that might have been something he developed for 1276 01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:13.280 this right. 1277 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:16.559 By the way, one one effect that doesn't get commented 1278 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:19.000 on nearly enough is how they how they made Jake's 1279 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:25.840 legs look you know, atrophye, emaciated, you know, emaciated. Yeah, 1280 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.639 very subtle effect, but effective, you know. 1281 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:33.679 Yeah, I was reading that they found someone who didn't 1282 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:35.199 have use of their legs, who was kind of the 1283 01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:41.000 same build as Worthington, and they made molds and so 1284 01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:46.159 Worthington his legs are like hidden in the wheelchair. He's 1285 01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:48.480 in a wheelchair and then they have the prosthetic things. 1286 01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:49.199 That's great. 1287 01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:54.920 Yeah, yeah, it's effective for sure. 1288 01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:57.960 And that's the thing. 1289 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.519 I forgot about that component, by the way, Sorry, just 1290 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:04.320 I forgot about the component where he's someone yeah, who's 1291 01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:07.840 lost the ability to walk, and then through this experience 1292 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:11.760 he's able to you know, walk and run and jump 1293 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:14.159 again like that. That's just like a component i'd forgotten 1294 01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:14.920 about his character. 1295 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.840 Yeah, and you know they established that early on, where 1296 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:23.479 you know, if you have the means, then you don't 1297 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.520 have to be be crippled, you know. And and Korich, 1298 01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:30.399 Colonel Korich says, you know, you do you function as 1299 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:33.720 our you know, as our trojan horse, then you know 1300 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:37.239 you'll get your legs back. Mm hmm. But and that's 1301 01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:42.199 where I think having you know, showing that the prologue 1302 01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:44.399 sequence of how just how shitty life is on Earth, 1303 01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.000 where I think that would have been helpful just in 1304 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:49.000 terms of really cementing for Jake, like, Okay, I get 1305 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:52.159 my legs back, but what kind of what kind of 1306 01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:53.600 life do I want to live? You know? 1307 01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.359 Interesting to the subtle different and says between the Avatars 1308 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:06.680 and the true Nave, where the Nave have less fingers, yeah, right, 1309 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:10.760 like the avatars have five fingers on each hand and 1310 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:14.359 they have excuse me, they have eyebrows, the avatars. 1311 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:19.960 Right, don't see. I also think it's interesting that it's 1312 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:24.800 not meant to be like they're hiding who they are 1313 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:28.840 from the Noave, Like the Nave they know the drill, 1314 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:31.159 you know, right right. And I was thinking, I was 1315 01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.399 like I kind of like that, because it it sort 1316 01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:37.479 of implies that they're not morons. 1317 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:39.159 You know, yeah, right right right, you. 1318 01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:41.079 Know, it gives them the courtesy of being treated like 1319 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:42.520 intelligent people, you know. 1320 01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.840 But to them are hue or are the avatars? Is 1321 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:47.239 it like if we were to see the guy from 1322 01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:50.399 Men in Black and the Edgar suit, like you one, 1323 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:54.640 just like you, let's shoot some hoops and he's like 1324 01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:57.119 like hobbling everywhere, like does it? 1325 01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:00.600 Well? I think it's it's more like the the you know, 1326 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.199 the little alien guy inside the head, you know. 1327 01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:09.600 Yeah, I no idea much better. Yeah, yeah, all this 1328 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:12.600 stuff looks amazing, the way the light's bouncing off of them. 1329 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:16.800 So this too. For Zoe Saldania, the Star Trek was 1330 01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:19.239 was just a few months before this. Yeah yeah right, 1331 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:21.520 she too had a pretty good pretty good on nine, 1332 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:24.439 pretty pretty good on nine, and just a good career 1333 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:27.840 in general, considering like one of her first gigs was 1334 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:30.199 was Crossroads opposite Britney Spears. 1335 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.760 Oh yeah, how funny she's done alright? 1336 01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:34.840 Yeah. 1337 01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.920 Well I was curious about Sam Worthington because I was like, 1338 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:40.000 had he done something. 1339 01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:42.159 Before this or he your salvation before this? 1340 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:45.359 Well it came out the same year. That's right, So 1341 01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:49.520 it wasn't like like this, and this was probably shot, 1342 01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:51.840 I imagine years before he. 1343 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:56.800 Got Terminator off off of James Cameron's recommendation. 1344 01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:58.479 Okay, and then he did Clash to the Titans the 1345 01:10:58.520 --> 01:10:59.960 next year, and I'm sure that was off of like 1346 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.840 Avatar heat. So this was like kind of a breakout 1347 01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:03.399 for him. 1348 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:06.720 Yes, yeah, yeah, and I mean he, you know, he, 1349 01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:09.479 I mean, he's never stopped working. He's had a pretty 1350 01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:11.000 good run. But I mean, you know, he did a 1351 01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:16.039 movie called Sabotage opposite Arnold Schwartzenegger, which what's his name, 1352 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:21.399 David David Air directed, which isn't the worst movie. Actually, 1353 01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:22.279 I think you might enjoy that. 1354 01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:24.720 Okay, Oh yeah, here on is i NDV. 1355 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:28.840 But this this Christmas if you remember, because this came 1356 01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.039 out and right around the same time with Sherlock Holmes 1357 01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:34.359 the first the Robert Downey one, and both ended up 1358 01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:37.079 doing pretty well. And you know, this is one of 1359 01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:43.199 those rising tide lifts all boat situations, because you know, 1360 01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:46.199 it's not like one hit movie is going to swallowp 1361 01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:48.319 all the oxygen. People are going to go to movies, 1362 01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.640 they'll see trailers for other movies and they'll come back, like, 1363 01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:55.560 I mean, it's a good movie going environment for all 1364 01:11:55.600 --> 01:12:00.640 the studios. And and the fact that this movie just 1365 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:05.680 played and played I think a lot well into twenty ten, 1366 01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:07.439 you know, I think a lot of other films ended 1367 01:12:07.479 --> 01:12:08.720 up benefiting as a result of that. 1368 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:13.640 Yeah. Well, and this was actually helped me. Remember, I mean, 1369 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:15.319 so this movie, it was a big deal that this 1370 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:18.239 was in three D. It's like, if you're going to 1371 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:19.479 see it, you got to see it in three D. 1372 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.000 And then there was that whole run for a while 1373 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:25.680 where movies are either shot in three D or converted 1374 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:26.159 to three D. 1375 01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.720 Yeah, everyone and their cousin was like, oh, let's just 1376 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:33.239 you know, legally blonde three let's put that in three 1377 01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:35.560 D or whatever. I mean, you know, like things that 1378 01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:39.279 it's not even remotely appropriate. And most of the post 1379 01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:44.600 produced three D was was disastrous. Yeah, you know, you 1380 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:47.159 mentioned Clash of the Titans. Unfortunately, Clash of the Titans 1381 01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:51.880 has become the poster child for lousy post produced three D. 1382 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:54.920 That process has been refined since then. It's gotten a 1383 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:59.560 lot better. But unfortunately there was a bit of a 1384 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:03.239 stink because of those early you know, because you had 1385 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:09.319 Tim Burton's Allis in Wonderland. Yeah, right, that's what happened 1386 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.960 because this was three D, and then Alison's Alison in 1387 01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:15.199 Wonderland very shortly, also in three D, did very well, 1388 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:17.560 and so the studios are like, oh shit, there's you know, 1389 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.800 people just showing up for three D movies. And so 1390 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.399 you had Clashes the Titans, you had Avatar, the other Avatar, 1391 01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:27.720 the last Airbender movie. Oh was that okay, which is 1392 01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:29.840 the following summer summer of twenty ten, and so that 1393 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:34.720 was post produced three D and my I remember watching 1394 01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:37.039 that in three D and like my eyes were going 1395 01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:38.479 to rip themselves inside out. 1396 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:39.600 Oh really it was. 1397 01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:41.520 It was ghastly Okay. 1398 01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.840 You know, again, this is fifteen years ago, so the 1399 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:49.479 process has been substantially improved where I don't think you 1400 01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:52.600 can really tell the difference anymore. Right, But at the time, 1401 01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:55.399 I remember Jim Cameron being like, look, I shot it 1402 01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.479 with three D cameras, I'm doing it for real, And 1403 01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:01.199 he was sort of, you know, snickering at all everyone 1404 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.319 trying to you know, grab his coat tails, you know. 1405 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.319 Yeah, but I mean it makes a lot of sense 1406 01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:10.880 studios wanting to do that because you can charge more 1407 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:11.439 per ticket. 1408 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:16.159 Yeah, so between IMAX and three D, I mean there 1409 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:18.479 there's a decent chunk of why this movie did as 1410 01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:19.079 well as it did. 1411 01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:22.239 Yeah, which is funny because yeah, Cameron's got his three 1412 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:24.640 D and Christopher Nolan, you know, it's such a stand 1413 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:25.399 for IMAX. 1414 01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:29.399 You know, they got there. It's interesting that they each have. 1415 01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:33.560 What they believe is the Yeah, Nolan is like anti 1416 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:34.399 three D. 1417 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:35.479 Oh is he really? 1418 01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:36.880 Oh yeah, he's not. He's not a fan. 1419 01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:38.680 I don't really love it either, to be honest, I 1420 01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:42.720 have had good experiences with it, but by and large 1421 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:43.560 I don't prefer it. 1422 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.479 I think, by and large, for me, the Avatar movies 1423 01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:47.760 are it. 1424 01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:55.319 Yeah, you know, yeah, I remember I saw oh wow, 1425 01:14:55.359 --> 01:15:00.600 it just completely slipped my mind. Oh Titanic, okay, and 1426 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:05.520 I was like, this is incredible, okay, and that's clearly 1427 01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:09.319 post produced three D post produced. But it looked amazing, 1428 01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:12.760 truly immersive, and you know when anytime you're on the water, 1429 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.920 it did this crazy thing where I really felt like 1430 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:18.319 I was on the surface of the water looking at things, 1431 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:21.399 you know, in front of me. It was if it 1432 01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:24.119 came back in theaters, I would, without question go see 1433 01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.319 it again because it was such a cool experience. And 1434 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.920 then Jaws actually when it came out of going three D, 1435 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:33.720 it was really well done. I you know, it's I 1436 01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:36.359 think those things are at their best when they're not 1437 01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:40.520 calling attention to themselves, right, you know, and they're just 1438 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:44.319 you almost forget about it. You just are experiencing a 1439 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:46.680 dimensionality in front of you. You know, people crossing in 1440 01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:48.680 front of you, or trees crossing in front of you 1441 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.439 as people are walking. Right, It's pretty cool. 1442 01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:54.560 Yeah, I mean, I mean old timey three D. I'm 1443 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.039 talking like fifties, sixties, you know, when it when the 1444 01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:59.199 first time it was a fad, you know that that 1445 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:01.760 they would do like here's a pizza and it's like 1446 01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:04.159 shoving it at the screen, and it's like, well, that's 1447 01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:07.079 not how life works, you know, right right, you just 1448 01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:10.119 sort of moved through life, and that's you know, I 1449 01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:15.159 think there's a naturalism that certainly these films evoke with 1450 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:16.600 regards to the three D. 1451 01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:18.800 You know, well, and there's so many like this scene 1452 01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:21.880 we're watching right now, is it let me refer to you, 1453 01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:24.399 is it an e klon? Is that what he's taming here? 1454 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:29.239 I will go ahead and say, maybe. 1455 01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:33.079 Okay, this is one of the scenes that I remember 1456 01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:35.159 most from this movie. It's very cool where he's brought 1457 01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:37.560 up and they're like, okay, well you got to get 1458 01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:39.640 your horse, so to speak. And the way to do 1459 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:40.760 that is you kind of have to tame it and 1460 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:42.560 you have to make a connection and then you're bonded 1461 01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:46.880 for life, you know, and just how dangerous it is. 1462 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:49.960 And then once it works, the way that he connects 1463 01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:51.920 with the creature and the way they're soaring through the 1464 01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:54.079 air with all the mountains floating in the background. I mean, 1465 01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:56.119 I think this was for me when I think of 1466 01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:57.720 this movie. This is one of the scenes I remember, 1467 01:16:57.760 --> 01:16:59.800 and I can imagine being like, yeah, i'd want to 1468 01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:01.960 see is in three D. I want to be on 1469 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:05.840 that cliff's edge and then soar with that creature. 1470 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:12.279 Right, I mean, the whole concept of you know, your 1471 01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:15.720 little your little tail doo dad and bonding with the 1472 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:18.159 thing and then you create this this bond with the animal. 1473 01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:23.880 I mean, it's it's so uh you know, it's so nutty, 1474 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:26.960 you know. Yeah, I mean it's like nutty in a 1475 01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:29.560 cool way, right, Like like it's like, yah know who 1476 01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:30.640 thinks of this stuff? You know? 1477 01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:34.600 I just feel like i'd be worried about it, like 1478 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:38.600 getting it dirty, you know, just it was like something 1479 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:46.079 that shouldn't be exposed. Yeah. Yeah, Like if someone were 1480 01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:48.119 to tell me, like, hey, read my script and it 1481 01:17:48.199 --> 01:17:51.119 had that component in it, I'd be like, uh, I 1482 01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:53.119 don't know, like let me wrap my head around that. 1483 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.319 But then when you watch it and cameraon executes it, 1484 01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.279 You're like, yeah, I still, like you said, nutty is 1485 01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:00.079 a great word for it. But it's like, yeah, but 1486 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:03.279 I get it kind of works. I like the idea 1487 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:05.800 of the way that they I mean because like you said, 1488 01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:10.279 this movie is all about connection with the earth and with creatures. Oh. 1489 01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:12.399 We we were talking over it, but I wanted to 1490 01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.760 call it that scene where that creature earlier that's sort 1491 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:20.600 of like scary dog thing is you know, following Jake 1492 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.239 and then Terry save his life and she's like, oh, thanks, 1493 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:25.199 glad you killed that thing and she's like this is 1494 01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:28.239 a bad thing, Like this is you know like that. 1495 01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.159 I love that. I love I don't know, Yeah, I 1496 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:36.479 like that ethos in this movie, you know, the respect 1497 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:38.319 for everything. Even when we kill something and it's providing 1498 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:41.520 us food, we thank it, you know. Kind of So 1499 01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:44.880 I don't know the connection thing feels like a nice 1500 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:47.079 extension of that, a nice component of like, no, like 1501 01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:50.760 you don't just ride this creature, like you truly connect 1502 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:51.680 with one another. 1503 01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:54.640 Right, it becomes an extension of yourself. 1504 01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:57.199 Yeah, and it's funny then you know where he'll he'll 1505 01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:59.560 tell it, you know, like bank left and so they're 1506 01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:02.159 connect Banks left. Yeah, you can steer it that way. 1507 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:05.760 I think that, you know, going back to what we 1508 01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:11.119 were talking about earlier, right, like the the conversation about Oh, 1509 01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:13.800 it's it's so much like this other thing or that 1510 01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.199 other thing, like it misses, it misses what it's going 1511 01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:19.600 to mean for the people who are entering with this. 1512 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:21.920 And you know, it's kind it's kind of like you 1513 01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:24.439 look at Star Wars. It's not like Star Wars was 1514 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:29.319 wholly original Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, self a pastiche of 1515 01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.000 Flashcoordon and Buck Rogers and all that stuff, all of 1516 01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:34.279 all of George Lucas's influences and he put them into 1517 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:36.359 a queens and art and he got, you know, something 1518 01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:39.039 some extraordinary. Well, Cameron's doing the same thing, you know, 1519 01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:43.520 mm hmm. I mean shit, even Terminator is same, right, 1520 01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:46.279 I mean, that's that's Oh's inspiration to t X, Y, 1521 01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:49.119 and Z things, and he kind of shone a new 1522 01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:51.199 light on it absolutely. 1523 01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:53.399 I mean he I was reading some interviews and he 1524 01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:56.319 said that his inspiration was every single science fiction book 1525 01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:59.199 he read as a kid, and he name checked John Carter. 1526 01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:01.800 One hundred percent. I mean, this is so John Carter, 1527 01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:02.159 you know. 1528 01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:02.800 Yeah. 1529 01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:04.800 And the problem is it did John Carter better than 1530 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:07.680 John Carter, which is why John Carter is now unfortunately 1531 01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:09.199 thought of as John Carter. 1532 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:14.600 Yeah. Yeah, well, and it's you know, there was a 1533 01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:17.199 lot of criticisms too, saying like, oh, he just remade 1534 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:20.319 you know, friend Guali or Pocahontas. But he himself I 1535 01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:23.159 actually double check this to see if he actually said this, 1536 01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:25.239 but he's like, oh no, yeah, and Terry's Pocahontas. 1537 01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:26.399 Yeah, you know. 1538 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:29.159 And so you know, you take the things. 1539 01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:31.560 And but you know what I find interesting about the 1540 01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:34.000 Hole Lucas thing with Star Wars being inspired by all 1541 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:35.479 the things he loved as a kid. I've brought this 1542 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:38.560 up many, many times. But the things he loved as 1543 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:42.279 a kid we're not super familiar with, that's right, Like 1544 01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:46.359 we just know his riff on it. But the things 1545 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:49.159 that we were passionate about as kids have never gone away, 1546 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:54.039 like just the way that culture has changed through maybe VCRs. 1547 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.319 You know, we're able to watch these things more easily, 1548 01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:01.239 and Hollywood is like allergic to new ideas, so they 1549 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:04.199 just keep remaking the things that already exist. So if 1550 01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:06.399 you were then trying to try to make your pastiche 1551 01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:09.079 on Star Wars, which is like almost fifty years old, 1552 01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:13.439 because it's still at the forefront of you know, public consciousness, 1553 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:15.039 they'd be like, well, you're just riffing on Star Wars. 1554 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:16.760 You'd be like, well, yeah, but I mean, well Lucas 1555 01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:17.039 did it. 1556 01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:18.279 No one got mad at him. 1557 01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:18.800 You know. 1558 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:21.279 Is that kind of an interesting phenomenon? 1559 01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:26.359 It is, And it's I mean, I would say it's 1560 01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:30.880 a depressing phenomenon honestly, you know, yeah, because we live 1561 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:33.800 in a world where we're talking about a potential Matrix 1562 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:40.880 five instead of the next matrix, and you know, we'll 1563 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:44.159 never have that experience of what it was like in 1564 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:46.800 April of ninety nine watching the Matrix for the first 1565 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:50.079 time and not knowing what the hell we were watching 1566 01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:53.479 and just being enveloved by it. Yeah, or watching the 1567 01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:56.359 first Avatar ten years after that, or you know, you 1568 01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:59.800 know what I mean, like the thrill of the new. 1569 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:04.479 Uh huh, because because studios don't want the thrill of 1570 01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:09.119 the new, because new means untested mm hmmm, and they don't. 1571 01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:11.800 And when these things cost as much as they do, 1572 01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:14.239 he want are right. 1573 01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:19.680 And and the unfortunate uh you know. Outgrowth of that is, 1574 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:21.279 you know, just to keep it in the Star Wars 1575 01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:24.239 neighborhood for a second. I think that's what leads to 1576 01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:27.760 the sequel trilogy being I think you and I would 1577 01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:30.560 both agree maybe less than it could have been m hm, 1578 01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:35.800 because it was beset by by safe choices and not 1579 01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:37.880 wanting to second guess. 1580 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:41.159 You know, yeah, give them what we know they like exactly. 1581 01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:45.399 And that's one thing you can say like or dislike. 1582 01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:51.800 Lucas with the prequels was like, this is what I 1583 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:57.039 want mm hmm, you know, like like or dislike. And 1584 01:22:57.159 --> 01:22:59.199 you know, eventually it seems like the world sort of 1585 01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:01.960 came around to him where he was, you know, right 1586 01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:05.880 right now, this too, this scene right here, we back 1587 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:09.239 in O nine. I'm like, okay, so uh literally, I 1588 01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:11.439 was like, so he's going to have like a little 1589 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.399 he's going to lose the trust of the people, and 1590 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:16.880 then he's gonna ride the giant Lenoptricks and that's how 1591 01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:19.439 he's gonna win their their their trust back, and he's 1592 01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:21.399 going to become the chosen one. 1593 01:23:21.279 --> 01:23:23.279 You know, like right right right. 1594 01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:25.319 So I'm just sort of counting down, you know, I'm 1595 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:27.840 checking the boxes, like what what beats the story has 1596 01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:29.840 to has to cycle through, you know. 1597 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:33.920 Yeah. Yeah, although it is satisfying, it still feels satisfying. 1598 01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:37.159 Although we don't really see him tame it, we just 1599 01:23:37.159 --> 01:23:39.640 see him approach it and then show up on it. 1600 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:42.239 That I So I had that thought. Yeah, I mean 1601 01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:44.039 I was going to bring it up later, but yeah, 1602 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:48.720 one of the weirdest decisions. I'm like, why not make 1603 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:54.520 the early taming scene maybe slightly less detailed and then 1604 01:23:55.199 --> 01:24:00.680 demonstrate the challenge of trying to tame the giant leannoptrics later? Yeah, 1605 01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:03.560 that would make that a sequence, you know. 1606 01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:06.600 Yeah, that's that's a tough decision because then you would 1607 01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:13.159 lose the discovery and magic of that moment, which I 1608 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:15.800 said was like one of my most memorable scenes in 1609 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:16.439 the movie for me. 1610 01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:19.960 Well, like, I'm not saying cut it entirely, I'm saying 1611 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:23.479 I'm saying show it as slightly challenging and then and 1612 01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:26.000 then show the latter sequence. 1613 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:27.000 As much more possible. 1614 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:29.079 Yeah, you know, and and he doesn't have the benefit 1615 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:30.800 of anybody telling him what to do, and he has 1616 01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:34.399 to do it all on his own. Yeah. I do 1617 01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:36.479 like all this business where, you know, he's starting to 1618 01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:41.640 grapple with the moral question of what he's doing, you know. 1619 01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:45.079 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's one thing to go in 1620 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:47.800 there and just feel sort of like a tourist, but 1621 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:52.880 you're you're developing these real relationships and emotional connections with 1622 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:56.600 people when you went in knowing you weren't in for 1623 01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:58.439 the long haul. Oh there's the American flag again in 1624 01:24:58.439 --> 01:24:58.920 the background. 1625 01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:00.199 Yeah, that's clever. 1626 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:05.439 That's very clever. I love this, like Cameron Steely Blue too. 1627 01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:08.960 This is the like whenever we're in in the base, 1628 01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:13.039 we get these very traditionally James Cameron looking shots, you know. 1629 01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:19.199 Yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's a weird time to bring it 1630 01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:21.520 up because we're watching a full live action scene here, 1631 01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:24.760 But I might forget. I saw this fact earlier. I 1632 01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:29.000 was as they were writing those creatures and it looked unbelievable, 1633 01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:31.600 and the waterfalls and the floating rocks. I read that 1634 01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:35.960 some of the scenes took like forty seven hours to 1635 01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:39.960 render Holy which made me think like, oh yeah, like 1636 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:44.720 when I render this podcast, like especially like a longer 1637 01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:45.960 one like this, it's going to be about two and 1638 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:46.560 a half hours. 1639 01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:48.279 Like takes a bit of time. 1640 01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:49.159 But you think. 1641 01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:53.239 About like one frame with all that light and all 1642 01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:58.079 the detail and all the you know, just one frame. Yeah, 1643 01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:00.720 oh the size that this movie take up, Like you 1644 01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:03.680 I just don't even think about the logistics of it 1645 01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:06.399 and the server farms and everything they must you know, 1646 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:09.640 and what if something crashes and it's just even. 1647 01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:10.760 Imagine, Oh my god. 1648 01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:12.920 Yeah, I wouldn't want to be it on this film. 1649 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:13.960 That's what I'm trying to say. 1650 01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:17.760 You know. I remember Stephen laying in one point talking 1651 01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:19.920 about how he would have liked to play cable. 1652 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:21.479 Mm hm, I can. 1653 01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:23.399 See that, right, And you just see him here You're like, 1654 01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:26.920 oh yeah, I can, I can. I can totally see that. Yeah, totally. 1655 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.359 So if I'm in this position, they come to me, 1656 01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:39.399 they're like, we need you to do this, uh man, 1657 01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:41.119 I would betray those NAVI so hard. 1658 01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:44.760 I'd just be because because the legs. 1659 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:46.600 Oh yeah, I want my legs. I'd be I'd be 1660 01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:48.600 I'd be betraying him even after I had my legs. 1661 01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:50.239 I just just just just for sure. 1662 01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:53.920 Well, you know what's funny, actually what they could have 1663 01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:56.119 done here is he's you know, like, hey, man, like, 1664 01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:58.199 don't get lost in the weeds here, like you know, 1665 01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:00.159 you got a mission. I just got your legs approve. 1666 01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:04.039 And then it suddenly cuts now to him having this 1667 01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:05.720 like war pain apply and he's going to be brought 1668 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:08.680 into the tribe. It feels like it'd be more realistic 1669 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:10.359 for her to be doing this and her feeling great 1670 01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:16.520 about it and him like uh oh. 1671 01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:22.439 Nah, he's like pulling his imaginary or like his little necklace. 1672 01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:28.159 Yeah, she's like, you know, like clearly in love with him, 1673 01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:29.800 and her parents are all in on it, and. 1674 01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:36.199 Yeah, and of course, Brian, I would not actually betray 1675 01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:43.520 the nobby. My god, you believed me, didn't you People 1676 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:48.760 listening to this show being like cancel their Patreon, you know. 1677 01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:56.880 But it would be like difficult because I would like 1678 01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:00.600 to go back to like indoor plumbing at some point, sure, 1679 01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:02.119 you know what I mean, But like I don't want 1680 01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:04.199 to betray them either, Like I I'm not sure it 1681 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:05.119 would be hard, like. 1682 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:09.479 Circumstances kind of force them into. 1683 01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:12.079 Well, I don't know, Brian, I mean, bounce us off. 1684 01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:12.239 Ya. 1685 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:16.319 Sure, indoor plumbing has its pluses, But on the other hand, 1686 01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:18.680 just pain in the woods whenever you feel like it, 1687 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:21.960 wherever you feel like it. 1688 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:23.399 It's not the peing I have a problem with. 1689 01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:26.119 Okay, Touchet. 1690 01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:30.840 And who says I don't do that now? Anyway, Moving 1691 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:40.640 on the prayer tree, I like this. I think this 1692 01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:45.359 is very beautiful. Actually, I think the tree looks beautiful, 1693 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:47.119 but I love the idea again. I mean, as long 1694 01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:49.680 as you're gonna have these little tendrils you know of 1695 01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:52.399 yours that can connect to these things connecting to this 1696 01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:55.319 you know tree that has all the voices of the ancestors, 1697 01:28:55.319 --> 01:28:56.840 It's it's pretty beautiful. 1698 01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:01.840 Well. I like that we create a framework to allow 1699 01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:08.039 for the mystical and sort of supernatural that that has 1700 01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:11.359 like a weirdly grounded framing, you know what I mean, 1701 01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:14.159 you know, And I think I think that manifests in 1702 01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:16.359 ways that are very effective, especially in the later films. 1703 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:18.760 I mean, I said before you know to me in 1704 01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:21.479 the second film, you know, I don't remember much about it, 1705 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:25.720 but I remember the end where Jake connects with you know, 1706 01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:30.399 the whatever, the the underwater you know, version of a 1707 01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:34.960 or whatever, and he sees his son who died as 1708 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:39.039 a little boy. I remember watching that. That's in the 1709 01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:41.159 second one. Yeah, I wouldn't be spoiling the third one, 1710 01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:43.079 but that's at the end of the second one, and 1711 01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:45.239 I remember getting very emotional watching that. 1712 01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:49.399 You know, you know, I mean, you're making me remember, 1713 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:53.239 you know, like you were saying, people watch this movie. 1714 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:55.600 It was reported that a lot of people, yeah, felt this. 1715 01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:58.479 But look at that right there that you see Zoe's 1716 01:29:58.520 --> 01:29:59.520 Heldana's face right. 1717 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:00.680 Oh, she's so emotive. 1718 01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:03.199 I think she's the most, Like I said, I think 1719 01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:09.359 her character is the best realized. Yeah, it looks like 1720 01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:11.119 you said, it looks like like her. 1721 01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:12.800 It's very emotive. 1722 01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:17.159 But Worthington's is I don't know it's good, but sorry, 1723 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:19.239 it sounds like I'm claning on him. I just wish 1724 01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:22.000 they all felt as distinctive and a motive as she does. 1725 01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:24.279 And I don't do you know. 1726 01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:26.000 You know what would be funny right here is we 1727 01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:29.520 got this great like three D amazing four case goes 1728 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:32.399 and then we cut to like grainy hand crank footage 1729 01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:36.239 of like a train entering a tunnel like a rocket 1730 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:39.800 taking off, like. 1731 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:42.720 An oil drill in the desert, a little pump or whatever. 1732 01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:49.840 Yeah, sorry you were saying no, but again, well he 1733 01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:50.479 says it here. 1734 01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:52.520 But yeah, as they're like starting to like make love 1735 01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:57.279 or whatever, it would be like again him like, but 1736 01:30:57.439 --> 01:30:59.239 he does it in a much more tactful way where 1737 01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:01.319 he wakes up in his pod. It's like what am 1738 01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:06.560 I doing? Yeah, which, uh yeah, oh this. I was 1739 01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:08.159 gonna say something, but now I'm like caught up in 1740 01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:10.239 the movie this. I like this. I love this whole 1741 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:13.640 conceit here like waking up and it's like, really, you know, 1742 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.279 they share this intimate moment, but then this like thrashing 1743 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.960 machine or thresher or whatever, like coming through and and 1744 01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:22.479 him him not being in the pot. I remember loving 1745 01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:25.960 that the first time I saw it, Like the whole idea, Yeah, 1746 01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:28.159 what a great idea, you know, if you're going to 1747 01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:30.119 play with it. The fact that he's not always present 1748 01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:33.359 in that body, right, and when she needs him to move, 1749 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:39.479 he's not there. So Okay, we were talking about how, 1750 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:41.600 you know, we have some sort of like mixed dish 1751 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:43.279 probably feelings on this movie. 1752 01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:47.640 Yeah, but I was honestly from this point to the end. 1753 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:49.239 It it always is cracking for me. 1754 01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:51.000 You were just you just took it right out of 1755 01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:54.359 my mouth, like so yeah. Well, unfortunately, just due to 1756 01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:56.319 the week that I had, I had to split this up, 1757 01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:58.640 which I didn't want to do, but I did. And 1758 01:31:59.239 --> 01:32:02.399 the first half of the movie I was like, yeah, no, 1759 01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:05.680 I remember, this is really beautiful and innovative, and you know, 1760 01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:08.560 I understand why these tropes connect. But yes, from this 1761 01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:11.840 moment on, I'm like, this movie's really good, like it 1762 01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:17.159 really yeah, like he said, crackles, it connects, it works, 1763 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:20.640 it's thrilling. Well and when real quick I did the tree. 1764 01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:22.119 That's what did it for me. When I saw the 1765 01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:24.159 tree go down after they had shared that moment and 1766 01:32:24.199 --> 01:32:28.680 we heard the ancestors' voices, I felt really genuinely sad 1767 01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:31.399 seeing that tree come down, and that was when I 1768 01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:33.640 was like, oh, I'm really connecting with this. 1769 01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:38.800 You know. Well, well, James Cameron would say he did 1770 01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:39.880 his job then, right. 1771 01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:43.680 Yeah, he would be like, no shit, it is Cameron, baby, 1772 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:47.800 what do you think was gonna happen? Shut up? 1773 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:56.079 Probably what he said that sounds that sounds about about right. Yeah, 1774 01:32:57.319 --> 01:33:01.119 Jivanni were basis such a freaking dudeude. I love this. 1775 01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:04.239 He's like chomping on food and he puts his one 1776 01:33:04.479 --> 01:33:12.800 finger on the like the joystick. It's so good. And 1777 01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:15.800 I mean obviously he's playing like yeah mustache spoiler, but 1778 01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:19.960 like he's playing it well yep, so do you have mouthful? 1779 01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:20.399 See? 1780 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:22.880 He moved so good. 1781 01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:29.199 Now, now you may not recognize Jake Sully in his 1782 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:33.680 in his NAVI Avatar, but Colonel Korich has no problem. 1783 01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:36.600 He catches that ship right away. 1784 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:43.239 That is that is very true. I just like everything 1785 01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:45.640 about this. I think it's devastating watching the tree get 1786 01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:49.159 knocked over. I like that machine because it's very scary, 1787 01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:51.720 and I love the idea of him, like how do 1788 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:53.359 he stopped at the thing while you don't? So you 1789 01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:55.520 go up and you damage its camera so I can't 1790 01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:56.279 see any longer. 1791 01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:58.000 Right, that's good. 1792 01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:02.239 And then of course, yeah, now you have all the 1793 01:34:02.279 --> 01:34:05.600 conflict right where he represents the outsiders and he has 1794 01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:07.800 to confess to like, well, yeah I knew they wanted 1795 01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:10.439 the thing under the tree. And then everybody hates you, 1796 01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:14.119 and you know we've been here before if you watch movies. 1797 01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:17.479 But like it, just but I I'll be. 1798 01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:21.279 Darned if I didn't didn't feel it, well, that's the thing, right, 1799 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:27.479 I mean it, at roughly this point in the runtime 1800 01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:30.319 of Dances with Wolves, you're like fully on board with 1801 01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:35.479 John Dunbar joining you know, the you know whatever whatever 1802 01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:37.119 the nation is that he ends up joining that in 1803 01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:41.239 that film, you know, like you're you're you're fully You're like, oh, 1804 01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:46.119 the American military, they're the bad guys, you know. And 1805 01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:50.560 so Cameron, I mean, the front end of the movie 1806 01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:54.119 is all just like laying that track very methodically to 1807 01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:58.000 get us here and here is the story. He clearly 1808 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.840 was like really antsy to get us into, you know. 1809 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:05.079 And we know that because because the second and third 1810 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:10.560 film are just fully you know, we're fully not novefied 1811 01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:14.760 by then, you know, right, which. 1812 01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:16.920 By the way, I meant to bring this up earlier 1813 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:20.960 when Ribci first showed up. But unobtainium, Yeah, I haven't 1814 01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:21.760 really talked about that. 1815 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:23.000 It's a real term. 1816 01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:28.199 It's a real term, and I think most people trip 1817 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:29.479 over it, that's right. 1818 01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:29.680 You know. 1819 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:32.359 Actually I brought up watching this movie to my brother 1820 01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:35.960 and he went unobtainedingum, and I was like, yeah, like, 1821 01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:40.239 and I think the mistake Cameron made was not pointing 1822 01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:44.640 out that it's a real term that people use and 1823 01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:48.800 that maybe they cheekily decided to call this mineral that 1824 01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:52.079 and then it stuck, like one sentence would have explained that, 1825 01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:56.640 and then we'd understand. But if you don't understand that, 1826 01:35:56.720 --> 01:35:59.359 it's like a concept, you know, science fiction writers used 1827 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:02.760 to use for like a magic mineral that you know, 1828 01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:09.119 you know, you get stuck on how silly it sounds, 1829 01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:11.439 and you're like, that's all James Cameron. He came up 1830 01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:12.960 with all this stuff, but he couldn't come up with 1831 01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:15.439 a better name for this mineral, like right, you know, 1832 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:17.239 I think if he had let us in on the joke, 1833 01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:19.359 people wouldn't talk about it as much. 1834 01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:22.279 I agree. I remember writing in my review at the 1835 01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:24.640 time like something to the fact of like, oh what 1836 01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:26.680 what mcguffinite was taking? 1837 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:30.119 Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah, I mean I think 1838 01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:31.319 that's how it sounds to everyone. 1839 01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:35.199 Yeah yeah, but it is an actual term used by 1840 01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:36.439 engineers and whatnot. 1841 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:38.600 Yeah, it describes a I just pulled it up so 1842 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:40.840 I could say it more clearly, a material that is 1843 01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.239 perfect for an application but does not exist. 1844 01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:49.720 So like, yeah, mcguffin, mcguffinite that's good. 1845 01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:57.800 Yeah, or here says sci fi enthusiasts use it for 1846 01:36:57.880 --> 01:37:00.640 any fictional substance that is needed to build a certain 1847 01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:02.439 device that is crucial to the plot. 1848 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:05.000 Yeah. 1849 01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:09.279 Yeah, everybody used inother movies. It's been in other books 1850 01:37:09.279 --> 01:37:09.720 and things. 1851 01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:13.239 But yeah, why don't you You guys, you make your 1852 01:37:13.239 --> 01:37:17.279 own avatar and have have makeed the you know, three 1853 01:37:17.279 --> 01:37:21.239 billion dollars and called the substance whatever you want right 1854 01:37:21.399 --> 01:37:22.000 right there? 1855 01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:34.600 Oh boy, popping the notes. I love the wheel his 1856 01:37:34.680 --> 01:37:37.800 meat out of here. He has like such a funny line. 1857 01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:41.479 So I remember earlier he says something about any shaved tail, Louis. 1858 01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:46.119 I was like, shaved tail Louis. So I actually googled 1859 01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:48.039 it because I was curious. And it has to do 1860 01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:51.319 with like the cavalry and when people were like, you know, 1861 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:54.840 lower ranking soldiers, they would shave the tail their horses, 1862 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:57.439 so you knew it's almost like having the you know, 1863 01:37:57.520 --> 01:38:02.960 beware a driving student stick around a ares. 1864 01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:04.520 I had no idea. Yeah. 1865 01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:10.680 I do love his look too, like the claw marks 1866 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:11.359 on the side. 1867 01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:11.600 Of his head. 1868 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:12.479 Oh that's great. 1869 01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:13.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. 1870 01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:17.319 Well, and he even says, like, now that I think 1871 01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:19.600 about it, is it in this version or the a 1872 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:22.119 special edition, but like he he could have got it fixed, 1873 01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:24.119 but he's like, he likes the way it looks. 1874 01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:26.840 Yeah no, that's in the theological version. 1875 01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:29.479 Okay. I'm like, yeah, if I had cool, like a 1876 01:38:29.560 --> 01:38:31.000 cool scar, i'd probably keep it. 1877 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:33.520 Uh huh uh huh. He's got to be cool looking 1878 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:37.279 the obviously exactly. Yes, it just so happens. It's pretty cool. 1879 01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:39.199 But that was what his point he was making was 1880 01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:42.920 that he underestimated the planet and that was the last 1881 01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:43.760 time he'll ever do that. 1882 01:38:44.359 --> 01:38:49.560 Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, gotta gotta be like Quorich, Brian, 1883 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:51.479 be like Kortch. 1884 01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:56.439 It's just funny too, Like the scientists like the trees. 1885 01:38:56.479 --> 01:38:58.840 It's a network, it's connected to their deity. And Rebece 1886 01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:03.119 is like who can hairs? He's so good at doing 1887 01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:12.720 what he is at, you know, like whatever executive. Yeah no, 1888 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:13.399 there's the idea. 1889 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:14.840 What the hell have you been smoking? 1890 01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:15.239 Ha ha? 1891 01:39:18.239 --> 01:39:18.680 That's good. 1892 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:22.720 But I mean what you know what Grace is saying, 1893 01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:24.920 you know, the wealth of this world isn't in the ground, 1894 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:26.960 it's all around us. I mean, that's that's our world, 1895 01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:30.760 you know, and we don't value it. You know, it 1896 01:39:30.880 --> 01:39:33.920 is remarkable. And we look at what's going on right 1897 01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:37.800 now where you know, the AI industry is built on 1898 01:39:37.960 --> 01:39:42.479 the pillage of our natural resources. I mean, this is 1899 01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:46.279 truly a fight for the future that is happening right now. 1900 01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:53.600 Right where's our Jake Sully, God, damn it, where's our 1901 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:55.800 where's our tour motto? Or whatever? 1902 01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:01.439 But yeah, you know, get like a line or two 1903 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:04.439 where they describe Earth and they say that there's no 1904 01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:09.039 green left. Yeah, right, But I mean, I don't know, 1905 01:40:09.079 --> 01:40:12.840 maybe we don't need to see it, but it there's 1906 01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:16.439 something you know, Yeah, I guess poetic or about it 1907 01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:19.439 right where we've we've run out of green. We ran 1908 01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:21.119 our green into the ground. So now we're going to 1909 01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:24.319 a poor, beautiful planet and we're gonna do the same 1910 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:25.039 thing there. 1911 01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:29.720 Right And and you know, I mean I think it's 1912 01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:36.600 worth you know, thinking about how for all of the 1913 01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:39.399 sort of tropiness of this story. And you know, we've 1914 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:44.039 seen these these patterns before. It's like whose side does 1915 01:40:44.079 --> 01:40:49.119 the story put us on? Right? It's not the colonizers, 1916 01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:52.880 you know, And that speaks to something basic about like 1917 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:56.479 we have it all of us, an inherent recognition of 1918 01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:58.640 like what is right and what is wrong? 1919 01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:08.640 You know, Yeah, and then stories like this can you know, illuminate, 1920 01:41:08.920 --> 01:41:11.239 like maybe you can, even in the real world, start 1921 01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:14.600 to lose sight of certain things just because of reasons. 1922 01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.399 I mean this is like like, um, you. 1923 01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:21.039 Know how many how many people planted a tree because 1924 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:24.479 of watching Avatar? You know, I don't know that stuff matters, 1925 01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:25.800 you know, right. 1926 01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:29.720 Yeah, that's what good science fiction can do though, right, 1927 01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:31.479 Like it heightens everything, but then it helps it. 1928 01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:33.159 Like wait a minute, that reminds. 1929 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:36.439 Me of I mean, look, I remember watching Planet of 1930 01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:40.359 the Apes as a little kid, and that that film. 1931 01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:41.960 I mean, you know you don't. I don't need to 1932 01:41:42.000 --> 01:41:43.880 tell you this, but it had a very profound impact 1933 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:48.279 on me in terms of how we treat animals and 1934 01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:51.560 how we think of our role and all this, you know, 1935 01:41:51.840 --> 01:41:55.520 at a very young age for me, and so truly, 1936 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:59.800 like when I always I always imagine the ten year 1937 01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:02.399 old watching something like this and how is it playing 1938 01:42:02.439 --> 01:42:02.720 for them? 1939 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:06.359 Mm hm, you know, I like this moment, by the way, 1940 01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:08.279 I didn't remember this, and it's not like they really 1941 01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:12.119 dig into it, but where Ribisi's like, look, we need 1942 01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:13.880 the thing under the tree, so we're gonna do the 1943 01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:17.079 thing we gotta do. But then they're Sigourney Weaver and 1944 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:21.239 Worthington are like, like, there's people there, there's like kids there, 1945 01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:23.920 like them trying to explain how important it is means 1946 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:27.079 nothing to this executive. But when they're like there's kids, women, children, 1947 01:42:27.119 --> 01:42:28.920 like you're gonna kill women and children. And he has 1948 01:42:28.960 --> 01:42:32.880 this moment like one hour. Yeah, like I like that 1949 01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:38.239 at least a moment of humanity. Yeah, and he'll he'll 1950 01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:39.960 do it even if those people don't move. He'll do 1951 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:42.520 it in an hour, I'm sure. But yeah, I kind 1952 01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:44.439 of liked that, and I realize also you just kind 1953 01:42:44.439 --> 01:42:45.760 of need it for the story to get him back 1954 01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:46.119 out there. 1955 01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:49.159 But like, I don't know, it resonated with me this time. 1956 01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:50.880 Well, yeah, I know I agree with that, and I 1957 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:53.640 also think, you know, partly like you know, Colonel Korich 1958 01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:55.119 is our Johnny mustache twirlers. 1959 01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:56.720 Yes, he will not be moved. 1960 01:42:57.079 --> 01:42:59.439 Yeah, and we only need one of him, you know. 1961 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:00.960 Yeah, that's a good point. 1962 01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:05.960 Yeah, this moment, I mean, honestly, it it plays. Look 1963 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:10.479 at her face. You know, it's remarkable how well the 1964 01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:14.840 cgi and the performance intermingle. For just look at that, 1965 01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:17.760 Look at it. Look at it, look at the emotions 1966 01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:20.960 all playing on her face. Yeah, extraordinary. 1967 01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:26.079 Yeah, I remember this even from the first time I 1968 01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:29.520 watched it, like the how how much it hurt to 1969 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:32.000 watch her anguish? 1970 01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:36.680 Yeah, after I betrayed those Nave, I wouldn't feel a thing, Brian, 1971 01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:45.840 I'll tell you not me. Oh no, they're blue and weird. 1972 01:43:52.479 --> 01:43:55.760 This this bit bit too, actually, I think is very 1973 01:43:55.760 --> 01:44:00.239 interesting where you know, the they get pulled out of 1974 01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:03.479 their their avatar bodies, right, so they're just you know, 1975 01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:08.000 it's just the the avatars, and yet the Nave carry 1976 01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:12.119 those avatars with them mm hmm. Like we see a 1977 01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:14.880 scene later where they're they're taking graces, you know, like 1978 01:44:14.960 --> 01:44:17.239 she's being carried in like a in like a you know, 1979 01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:22.520 in a what are you you know, uh, like a 1980 01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:25.920 stretcher kind of thing. And I'm like, to me, like 1981 01:44:25.960 --> 01:44:34.800 the respect they have even then, m right, like yeah, yeah, yeah. 1982 01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:39.479 All this stuff is i mean, visually incredible, but it's 1983 01:44:39.520 --> 01:44:41.680 it's it's beautiful. 1984 01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:45.239 And devastating the destruction, you know, Like I I I 1985 01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:49.479 thinking about that nothing in the frame is real, right, 1986 01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:53.680 and it looks so real is amazing, but also like 1987 01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:56.199 I'm I'm like you said the rest of this movie. 1988 01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:59.840 I'm if if I was having moments where I was 1989 01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:02.479 having a hard time plugging in earlier, maybe by certain 1990 01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:04.479 things like I am completely locked in now and it 1991 01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:06.640 really breaks my heart washing them destroy this tree. 1992 01:45:10.119 --> 01:45:13.600 Yeah, I think in terms of I mean, they've established 1993 01:45:13.600 --> 01:45:15.760 the emotional stakes, but I was thinking in terms of 1994 01:45:15.800 --> 01:45:19.479 creating something immersive. One thing Cameron does it's very smart, 1995 01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:21.600 is I mean, he takes advantage of what he can 1996 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:23.760 do with his camera and this and that, but he 1997 01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:28.640 doesn't he shoots it as if it's a real environment. Right, Yes, 1998 01:45:28.720 --> 01:45:32.680 So the camera isn't swooping in and out and doing 1999 01:45:32.720 --> 01:45:36.640 stuff that's very obviously phony. Yes, because that's something I 2000 01:45:36.640 --> 01:45:38.720 see a lot of filmmakers do and it pisses me off. 2001 01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:41.479 I know, I know we've talked about this because yes, 2002 01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:43.880 me too. I'm like, if when you're moving the camera 2003 01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:46.319 in a way that a camera can't move. Now, to 2004 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:48.479 be fair, I've enjoyed it in the past in some 2005 01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:51.960 like older David Fincher movies, like it felt like a novelty, 2006 01:45:52.079 --> 01:45:54.399 like Fight Club or like Panic Room when the camera 2007 01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:56.920 goes through the coffee pot or whatever. Right, right, right, 2008 01:45:56.960 --> 01:46:00.199 But yeah, when you're you're doing like action sequences and 2009 01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:04.039 the camera's like swooping down and up and through this 2010 01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:07.000 and whatever, then it feels like a video game. It 2011 01:46:07.039 --> 01:46:09.840 doesn't feel tethered to any sort of reality, that's right, 2012 01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:12.920 And so then I don't care because then I'm like, 2013 01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:16.600 nothing's at stake that I'm witnessing here, right, you know? 2014 01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:18.760 And so yeah, I think you know, Cameron does like 2015 01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:21.159 you said, he does it so well here where he's 2016 01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:24.359 putting the camera even though there is no camera where 2017 01:46:24.399 --> 01:46:26.520 only a camera could go. And I remember Christopher Nolan 2018 01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:29.079 talking about that with Interstellar, when he was doing a 2019 01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:30.920 lot of visual effects. He was like, I made it 2020 01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:32.840 look like the camera was attached to the wing of 2021 01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:36.079 the spacecraft because that's what we're used to seeing from 2022 01:46:36.159 --> 01:46:38.560 real footage to spacecraft. So in your brain you're like, 2023 01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:41.680 I'm looking at a real spacecraft, and I think that's 2024 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:43.560 that's what the greats, that's how they think. 2025 01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:48.159 Yeah, you know, that was something the old not the old, 2026 01:46:48.239 --> 01:46:51.560 the the reboot of Battlestar Galactica, which is itself kind 2027 01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:53.439 of old now because it's like twenty plus years. But 2028 01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:55.640 but Ronald D. Moore, he talked about how when they 2029 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:59.560 were doing their the external like space battle footage that 2030 01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:03.560 theypproached it like if if there was a news photographer 2031 01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:06.640 in space, how what would you be seeing? You know? 2032 01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:10.800 And and camera does something very similar where like you know, 2033 01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:12.640 the camera there will be kind of a zoom in, 2034 01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:17.760 but it's as if somebody's filming it, you know. And 2035 01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:20.680 and it was like documentary style or documentary style. Yeah, 2036 01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:21.920 and and I think that. 2037 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:26.239 Helps a lot, you know, I agree, I agree, And 2038 01:47:26.279 --> 01:47:27.039 then I. 2039 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:29.279 Feel like that I love I love this bit right 2040 01:47:29.319 --> 01:47:33.279 here though, just her her heartbreak as she's like, just help. 2041 01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:40.039 Us, you know, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, yeah h. 2042 01:47:41.560 --> 01:47:43.880 They have to depend on them in some way because 2043 01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:47.840 they know, you know those people, they know those people, 2044 01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:52.439 and they think there's there's something so sad about watching 2045 01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:55.319 them with their bows and arrows shooting at the ships 2046 01:47:55.319 --> 01:47:59.840 and you just see the arrows just you know, you 2047 01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:00.680 not connecting. 2048 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:03.199 Just think think thing thin ting off of the ships. 2049 01:48:03.279 --> 01:48:06.000 I mean actually, in this moment for Michelle Rodriguez, I 2050 01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:07.479 loved that where she's like I didn't sign up for 2051 01:48:07.479 --> 01:48:13.640 this shit, you know, because because in every scenario like this, 2052 01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:16.960 and unfortunately this is not unique to science fiction movies 2053 01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:19.439 set on other planets. You know, this is this is 2054 01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:21.880 reflective of things humans have done to other humans. But 2055 01:48:21.880 --> 01:48:25.239 there are always people who say, no, this is not right. 2056 01:48:26.359 --> 01:48:28.920 You know, there have to be you know. 2057 01:48:29.199 --> 01:48:33.760 Yeah, And it's one of those things too where you know, 2058 01:48:33.800 --> 01:48:37.279 sometimes they get recognized and you think like, wow, you're 2059 01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:39.119 a hero, and they get recognized as a hero and 2060 01:48:39.159 --> 01:48:42.239 some people don't. But like both of those people before 2061 01:48:42.279 --> 01:48:44.399 they knew how that what the outcome would be, made 2062 01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:47.039 the hard decision in the moment, and that's amazing. 2063 01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:52.439 Look that right there, what an evil sob as Corus 2064 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:55.239 is sipping his coffee, you know, you just want to 2065 01:48:55.239 --> 01:48:58.920 see him get his upens for that, you know. Yeah, 2066 01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:01.119 I think I mentioned this to you before. But in 2067 01:49:01.239 --> 01:49:03.359 Zotopia too, which which you know, I just came out 2068 01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:05.119 a few weeks ago. As recording this, this is one 2069 01:49:05.159 --> 01:49:07.600 line that I just love where Judy Hopps's character she 2070 01:49:07.640 --> 01:49:11.239 says the world will never get better if no one 2071 01:49:11.319 --> 01:49:14.720 is brave enough to do the right thing. And man, 2072 01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:21.680 we need that, you know. Yeah, yeah, look at this. 2073 01:49:21.880 --> 01:49:23.720 That's that's horrifying. 2074 01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:28.439 Yeah, well, and speak again. I mean I'm sure none 2075 01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:30.800 of this is real. Yeah, and we're you know, I 2076 01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:33.039 always talk about it. It really bothers me when you 2077 01:49:33.079 --> 01:49:36.760 don't feel the heft. I feel it here. Yeah, I 2078 01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:39.039 think this tree coming down is conveyed really well way 2079 01:49:39.079 --> 01:49:41.399 the way it almost feels like slow motion in the beginning, 2080 01:49:42.319 --> 01:49:45.119 but then when it collides with the ground and yeah, 2081 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:49.079 seeing all the columns sort of just splinter. 2082 01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:57.960 Apart, right, I mean, I fundamentally this is this is 2083 01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:03.279 reflective of, you know, what happened to Native Americans in 2084 01:50:03.319 --> 01:50:08.359 this country and the way their their culture and tradition 2085 01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:12.840 and legacy were just ripped away from them because they 2086 01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:16.319 were savages, you know. And you know this is something 2087 01:50:16.359 --> 01:50:19.880 that humans do to humans. They do it a lot, 2088 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:21.159 It's true. 2089 01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:25.000 I mean, yeah, you think about you know, in this 2090 01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:28.159 movie man, all this is just so staggering. 2091 01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:28.920 It looks so good. 2092 01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:33.319 It's like, well, we want this and you're there, so 2093 01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:36.119 move ye yeah, you know, and it almost feels like 2094 01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:40.880 so we you know, mustache twarly. That's literally what happened 2095 01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:44.920 in this country. We want this, so move or we 2096 01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:48.920 will move you. Well, it's hard to Yeah. 2097 01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:53.239 There there's a documentary series that I'm actually watching right now. 2098 01:50:53.279 --> 01:50:58.520 It's called Kevin Costner's The West and it's worth watching. Actually, 2099 01:50:58.560 --> 01:51:00.640 you should check it out. It's it's it on my 2100 01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:03.359 my voodoo. You know. It's just looking at how the 2101 01:51:03.399 --> 01:51:07.239 West was settled, you know, and so much of we're talking, 2102 01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:10.000 you know, the eighteen hundreds nineteen hundreds is the the 2103 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:14.479 Indian Wars, you know, as as just bit by bit 2104 01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:19.840 their lands are taken from them, for for for baubles 2105 01:51:20.119 --> 01:51:22.079 and broken promises, you know, right. 2106 01:51:22.319 --> 01:51:25.079 And I mean it's obviously it's happened all over the 2107 01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:28.880 It's not unique to the United States. 2108 01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:34.680 It's human history, yeah, exactly. Yeah, but that's that's the 2109 01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:38.680 purpose stories like this can serve, is to play them 2110 01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:43.439 out against a fantasy backdrop. But you know, the parallels 2111 01:51:43.479 --> 01:51:47.239 are are apparent enough where you can where you can 2112 01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:51.079 where you can plot them. You know, they killed West 2113 01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:52.119 study goddamn it. 2114 01:51:53.479 --> 01:51:59.159 Yeah, this like, yeah, I really it was devastated seeing 2115 01:51:59.159 --> 01:52:02.159 that big chunk of wood sticking out of his stomach. Yeah, 2116 01:52:04.479 --> 01:52:08.119 that was something I wasn't expecting. Upon revisit. I thought 2117 01:52:08.119 --> 01:52:09.520 I was just going to go, oh, yeah, this movie 2118 01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:11.600 looks really cool and it's you know, it's kind of fun, 2119 01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:14.920 and I was surprised that I did get caught up in. 2120 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:24.039 It emotionally's Aldana. Man, she's incredible in this She. 2121 01:52:23.680 --> 01:52:27.439 She really, I mean, especially in this film just MVP. 2122 01:52:28.039 --> 01:52:30.720 Yeah, And you know, I think. 2123 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:34.800 A lot of people, you know, we know that this 2124 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:38.640 is motion capture, right, so these aren't just characters that 2125 01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:41.640 have been created in a computer exclusively. It's you know, 2126 01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:44.199 these actors, they had these dots on their bodies. So 2127 01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:48.720 the movement is literally the actors, you know, and their 2128 01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:53.000 faces the dots and the close camera attached to their faces. 2129 01:52:53.039 --> 01:52:54.760 And you know, a lot of that's been poured it over, 2130 01:52:55.319 --> 01:52:59.880 but I think Cameron feels that there's still not enough 2131 01:52:59.880 --> 01:53:02.119 on understanding of how much it's like no, no, no, like, 2132 01:53:02.159 --> 01:53:06.319 don't think of these as animated characters, like these are performances. 2133 01:53:06.319 --> 01:53:10.159 And I feel like in this go around with the 2134 01:53:10.199 --> 01:53:12.760 third movie, he's really and I wonder if it's because 2135 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:16.439 now he's kind of angling for like being performance awards, 2136 01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:19.039 performance awards, yeah, and just saying like no, no, no, like 2137 01:53:19.079 --> 01:53:23.840 these are not animated characters, like these are representations of 2138 01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:25.399 actors performances. 2139 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:30.840 Yeah. Well, I remember Andy serkis making that paint point, 2140 01:53:31.000 --> 01:53:34.319 ye know, early and often with regards to his portrayal 2141 01:53:34.359 --> 01:53:36.920 of variety of characters, but certainly Caesar in the in 2142 01:53:36.960 --> 01:53:40.520 the Apes trilogy where you know, again and again it 2143 01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:42.880 was like, this is digital makeup. You know, that was 2144 01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:47.960 how they viewed it, digital makeup. Yeah, you know. And 2145 01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:54.920 and it's tricky, right because because I think the problem 2146 01:53:55.119 --> 01:54:01.720 is that the discussion of the technology is so binary 2147 01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:08.000 that either the technology, the digital technology is being foregrounded 2148 01:54:08.039 --> 01:54:13.119 at the expense of the actors or vice versa. Yeah, sure, sure, right, 2149 01:54:13.319 --> 01:54:17.600 because like you don't have Caesar without Andy Serkis, but 2150 01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:20.680 you also don't have Caesar without wetted digital working their 2151 01:54:20.720 --> 01:54:25.159 asses up. You have a truly unique creation because of 2152 01:54:25.159 --> 01:54:27.000 both of those elements. And you know, I think it's 2153 01:54:27.039 --> 01:54:33.800 just it's I think I think lay people don't grasp 2154 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:37.159 the nuances of how both of them are intertwined. It's 2155 01:54:37.199 --> 01:54:37.880 not just one or. 2156 01:54:37.800 --> 01:54:42.680 The other, and it doesn't cancel out the amazingness of 2157 01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:43.199 either one. 2158 01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:46.640 Yeah, you know, I mean clearly, like we said, I mean, look, 2159 01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:50.119 we can see zoe sld On, Zoey Saildan's face in 2160 01:54:50.279 --> 01:54:54.359 a in this alien you know, creature, right, and it's 2161 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:57.359 it's because her performance is so clear to see. But 2162 01:54:58.199 --> 01:54:59.920 the effects folks did their thing too. 2163 01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:01.199 Yeah. 2164 01:55:01.279 --> 01:55:03.199 By the way, I love how deleepe row here who 2165 01:55:03.199 --> 01:55:07.000 plays Max, he basically plays like the same guy a 2166 01:55:07.079 --> 01:55:08.439 year later in Inception. 2167 01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:09.680 Yeah that's right. 2168 01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:12.840 Yeah, he's kind of got his got his niche. 2169 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:19.039 Yeah, that's funny. But we're moving. I'm just thinking about 2170 01:55:19.039 --> 01:55:21.319 this in like a like a script level too. It's like, 2171 01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:23.600 we don't spend a lot of time wallowing in the cell. 2172 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:25.239 It's literally they're in the cell and then they get 2173 01:55:25.279 --> 01:55:28.079 broken out. It's very very fast, but it works. 2174 01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:37.079 I'm not missing it. So this too. I remember, you know, nine, 2175 01:55:38.119 --> 01:55:40.680 doing movie Math and being like, Okay, Grace is the 2176 01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:44.640 mentor figure, so she's gonna have to die. Jake can 2177 01:55:44.680 --> 01:55:47.680 claim his destiny on his own like I had. I 2178 01:55:47.720 --> 01:55:50.279 had tracked that probably a third of the way through. 2179 01:55:50.479 --> 01:55:54.880 Oh wow, I don't remember thinking that much about it 2180 01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:56.960 as I was watching it. I was probably just I 2181 01:55:56.960 --> 01:55:57.439 don't know. 2182 01:55:57.760 --> 01:55:59.239 I was doing a lot of I mean, I think 2183 01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:01.039 I just that sort of just how my brain works, 2184 01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:02.520 where I'm like, Okay, I think this is gonna happen, 2185 01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:04.279 and then either it does or it doesn't. You know. 2186 01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:07.479 Yeah, sometimes sometimes I'll do that. I was actually when 2187 01:56:07.479 --> 01:56:09.119 the Tree went down. There's a little part of me 2188 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:10.159 that was like, all right, that's the end of the 2189 01:56:10.199 --> 01:56:13.279 second act and then like we've lost everything, and then 2190 01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:15.359 we have to take what we've learned and rally again. 2191 01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:17.119 And you know, like I was thinking that a little bit. 2192 01:56:17.199 --> 01:56:22.960 But yeah, I love this bit here where Korich steps out. 2193 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:25.359 He didn't even have his gas mask on. 2194 01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:26.520 Yes, I lost it too. 2195 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:30.239 You know, he's just like f these guys, man. Yeah, 2196 01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:32.720 I a bastard, just a rat bastard. 2197 01:56:32.800 --> 01:56:35.680 This guy he would like wade into lava, yeah, just 2198 01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:37.720 to fire upon these people. 2199 01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:45.199 It's funny too because Stephen laying in tombstone is such 2200 01:56:45.239 --> 01:56:49.039 a little weasel, right, and and it's like these are 2201 01:56:49.079 --> 01:56:51.039 like the poles of his performances. You know. 2202 01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:52.000 Yeah. 2203 01:56:52.079 --> 01:56:55.920 He was in the two thousand Fugitive television series. He 2204 01:56:55.960 --> 01:56:56.760 was the one armed man. 2205 01:56:57.199 --> 01:57:00.960 Oh interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, which you liked by the way, right, man, 2206 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:01.920 Let's good show. 2207 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:05.279 Yeah, that that freaking show. I don't think I've ever 2208 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:08.800 been as emotionally invested in a show not getting canceled 2209 01:57:08.840 --> 01:57:11.560 as the Futuitive. I think. I think when that show ended, 2210 01:57:11.600 --> 01:57:13.159 it kind of broke a little piece of me that 2211 01:57:13.159 --> 01:57:17.159 that never got fixed. No, like, let me put it 2212 01:57:17.159 --> 01:57:20.560 this way. I never before and ever since. I called 2213 01:57:21.159 --> 01:57:24.800 Les Moonvez's office and left a message saying, please don't cancel. 2214 01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:27.640 A few really ye wow, that's how. 2215 01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:28.560 Much I love that show. 2216 01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:31.439 You know what I did once out here in California, 2217 01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:34.600 for some reason, McDonald's didn't have the shamrock shake, and 2218 01:57:34.680 --> 01:57:39.079 so I wrote McDonald's headquarters, Wow, okay, and I was like, 2219 01:57:39.119 --> 01:57:42.199 why don't any of the Los Angeles McDonald's have shamrock shakes? 2220 01:57:42.399 --> 01:57:44.840 And maybe they just weren't in my area. I don't know, 2221 01:57:44.920 --> 01:57:47.399 but by gum, now we have shamrock shakes. 2222 01:57:47.479 --> 01:57:50.279 I'm just I will believe you made that happen. 2223 01:57:51.039 --> 01:57:58.319 So it just shows where our passions lie. But yes, 2224 01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:01.920 I love Quartz. Yeah, bus out there doesn't care about 2225 01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:02.600 the atmosphere. 2226 01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:04.680 And then then this guy runs out handsome his oxygen. 2227 01:58:04.720 --> 01:58:05.640 I see, Oh yeah, I guess I. 2228 01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:08.359 Should be exactly just a yeah thanks and puts it on. 2229 01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:14.640 Yeah. 2230 01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:15.520 You know, it was interesting. 2231 01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:18.359 I was. I couldn't remember what critics thought of this, 2232 01:58:19.399 --> 01:58:22.279 and it's somewhere in the eighties, I think on Rotten Tomatoes, 2233 01:58:22.720 --> 01:58:25.399 and but I saw like everyone from like Ebert to 2234 01:58:25.399 --> 01:58:28.479 even Steven Spielberg. They compared the experience of watching this 2235 01:58:28.600 --> 01:58:30.319 to seeing Star Wars for the first Yeah. 2236 01:58:30.399 --> 01:58:32.880 Yeah, I remember Ebert saying that. Yeah yeah. I was like, 2237 01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:41.600 oh wow, I'm actually curious if my if they have 2238 01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:44.600 my review for it up on you know, Rotten Tomatoes 2239 01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:48.000 or whatever. Yeah, for for this one, yeah, yeah, I 2240 01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:50.159 don't have to look after this. That's always my favorite 2241 01:58:50.199 --> 01:58:51.960 thing when I pull up a movie on Voodoo and 2242 01:58:52.000 --> 01:58:55.319 I go to the reviews and I see your little blurb, 2243 01:58:55.720 --> 01:58:59.399 and sometimes it's very surprising, like oh wow, you know, yeah, 2244 01:58:59.880 --> 01:59:02.279 might quote from some random thing that I forgot I reviewed. 2245 01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:06.399 Man, you have the defense to me the definitive review 2246 01:59:06.479 --> 01:59:11.279 of Rocky four, which is I actually, if you do 2247 01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:15.600 you remember it exactly? You basically say like how it's 2248 01:59:15.640 --> 01:59:17.520 like kind of a paradox, how the movie isn't very 2249 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:20.079 good but it's also like very good. 2250 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:22.239 Yes, okay, yeah I do remember that. 2251 01:59:22.279 --> 01:59:23.800 How do you say it perfectly? 2252 01:59:23.960 --> 01:59:24.920 I'll have to find the quote. 2253 01:59:25.199 --> 01:59:27.640 Yeah, it's like, how kind of movie that's like not 2254 01:59:27.720 --> 01:59:30.159 be that good but also be this good or something 2255 01:59:30.199 --> 01:59:38.720 like that. I'm like, yeah, Rocky four, No, it's interesting too. 2256 01:59:38.720 --> 01:59:42.399 I mean, this movie was nominated for Best Picture, you know, 2257 01:59:42.479 --> 01:59:47.000 for being such a that's right, you know, everybody, I 2258 01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:51.279 think could easily be like, oh yeah, the space Ferngully 2259 01:59:51.399 --> 01:59:55.279 and the Pocahontas and you know, it's very on the nose, 2260 01:59:55.319 --> 01:59:57.640 the exposition and the bad guys are very bad and whatever. 2261 01:59:57.680 --> 02:00:00.600 But this movie was nominated for Best Picture, and it 2262 02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:04.399 pitted James Cameron for Best Director against his ex wife 2263 02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:05.840 Catherine Bigelow for The hurt Locker. 2264 02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:08.520 I think that was what I read. That was the 2265 02:00:08.520 --> 02:00:11.359 first time the next couple had competed against it. 2266 02:00:11.399 --> 02:00:17.239 Wow. Well it was also like the biggest gap in 2267 02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:21.479 like budgets. It was like the most expensive movie and 2268 02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:25.079 the least expensive movie. You know. Oh that's interesting because 2269 02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:27.479 the hurt Locker costs like eight dollars and thirty seven 2270 02:00:27.520 --> 02:00:30.000 cents to make, you know, right, I mean it was 2271 02:00:30.039 --> 02:00:36.000 it was real like, I mean, not to diminish the craft, 2272 02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:37.640 but I mean they had to work close to the 2273 02:00:37.760 --> 02:00:40.319 chest to really get that movie made, you know, And 2274 02:00:40.359 --> 02:00:44.600 obviously James Cameron had a lot more resources at his disposal. Right, 2275 02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:50.119 So here's here's that. Here's that Rocky four quote. Yes, yes, 2276 02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:53.319 it's a bad movie, no doubt, but at the same time, 2277 02:00:53.399 --> 02:00:56.439 and somewhat paradoxically, it's also a great movie. Figure that 2278 02:00:56.479 --> 02:00:56.840 one out. 2279 02:00:57.199 --> 02:01:00.479 Yeah, I mean, that's that's it. That's it should be 2280 02:01:00.479 --> 02:01:02.279 on the box. And I mean that in a good way, 2281 02:01:02.319 --> 02:01:03.319 because I love that movie. 2282 02:01:09.560 --> 02:01:12.039 This sory tells the creatures like, got an idea, but 2283 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:12.920 you're not gonna like it. 2284 02:01:13.079 --> 02:01:22.920 Yeah, you know. I I'm just looking at all the 2285 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:25.000 devastation here and then now we got this new creature 2286 02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:27.600 we're catching up with and talking about, like how Cameron 2287 02:01:27.640 --> 02:01:30.159 had this whole world realized. And sometimes when he talks 2288 02:01:30.199 --> 02:01:33.720 about it, he'll even name check creatures as if we 2289 02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:37.159 know what he's talking about, you know, And in some 2290 02:01:37.199 --> 02:01:39.159 ways it can kind of make it seem like what 2291 02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:39.880 a dork you know. 2292 02:01:40.039 --> 02:01:42.119 See, But real quick, this right here, I mean we 2293 02:01:42.279 --> 02:01:46.199 just we just I was gonna say we montage passed. 2294 02:01:46.199 --> 02:01:49.000 We didn't even know YadA YadA, YadA, YadA passed to 2295 02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:49.600 be the most. 2296 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:51.159 Difficult thing he's done in the movie so far. 2297 02:01:51.760 --> 02:01:53.760 That odd choice. Odd choice. 2298 02:01:53.960 --> 02:01:58.720 Yeah, but no, I I you know what I mean. 2299 02:01:58.760 --> 02:02:00.720 And I've heard him talking about his rights rooms for 2300 02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:03.199 the sequels, and he's like, you know, we even sometimes 2301 02:02:03.199 --> 02:02:05.079 we just we don't even speak in English. Well we'll 2302 02:02:05.319 --> 02:02:07.520 say things in NAVI terms because we're just so immersed 2303 02:02:07.520 --> 02:02:10.520 and you're just like, that just sounds so weird, But 2304 02:02:10.560 --> 02:02:12.680 at the same time, that's exactly what I want to 2305 02:02:12.760 --> 02:02:15.640 the guy making these movies, right, That's why they work, 2306 02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:17.720 That's why they're so potent, that's why they're so rich, 2307 02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:18.279 you know. 2308 02:02:18.359 --> 02:02:18.920 And and. 2309 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:22.520 I love that he's such a dork for these things, 2310 02:02:22.600 --> 02:02:25.159 Like he cares about this world so much. And even 2311 02:02:25.199 --> 02:02:26.720 when this came out, he was talking about he was 2312 02:02:26.760 --> 02:02:31.319 going to write novels, you know, filling in backstory, and 2313 02:02:31.399 --> 02:02:33.319 he's talked about all the sequels he's going to make. 2314 02:02:33.359 --> 02:02:36.119 And you know, I'm in the camp where that does 2315 02:02:36.319 --> 02:02:37.800 make me sad a little bit because I want to 2316 02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:39.279 see him do other things as well. 2317 02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:41.520 Right, But I got to say, there's something. 2318 02:02:41.359 --> 02:02:44.880 I really admire about him being all in on this. 2319 02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:47.520 He really cares about it, and it's going to show 2320 02:02:47.560 --> 02:02:48.159 up on screen. 2321 02:02:49.680 --> 02:02:53.520 He clearly, you know, spent a lot of time and 2322 02:02:53.600 --> 02:02:57.560 sort of emotional energy building out this world in his mind. 2323 02:02:58.720 --> 02:03:05.960 And they're something exhilarating about that, you know, like to 2324 02:03:06.520 --> 02:03:09.479 have something that that that goes so deep and so 2325 02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:11.920 wide and it's like you just want to you want 2326 02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:13.960 to let everybody know all the things you've dreamed up, 2327 02:03:14.039 --> 02:03:21.680 you know. I think, you know, just taking it back 2328 02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:24.199 to Star Wars, like, I think that's the dilemma that 2329 02:03:24.279 --> 02:03:30.279 George Lucas ran into with the prequels, is like he 2330 02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:33.279 He's like, hey, here's more stories in this world that 2331 02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:37.079 I created, and it was you know, the reaction was like, yeah, 2332 02:03:37.119 --> 02:03:40.479 but it's not enough like those other things, so we 2333 02:03:40.600 --> 02:03:41.840 hate you. 2334 02:03:42.439 --> 02:03:49.159 Right, yeah, And it really does feel like it affected him. 2335 02:03:49.439 --> 02:03:51.600 I think. So, you know, I think I think Star 2336 02:03:51.640 --> 02:03:53.319 Wars fans killed Star Wars. 2337 02:03:53.359 --> 02:03:57.800 You know, yeah, like he doesn't do as many interviews 2338 02:03:57.960 --> 02:04:00.359 or you know, get trying to get emotional or you know, 2339 02:04:00.479 --> 02:04:02.680 he keeps things close to the chest, it seems, but 2340 02:04:02.800 --> 02:04:04.760 every now and then something will slip where he's like, well, 2341 02:04:04.760 --> 02:04:05.399 people hated it. 2342 02:04:05.479 --> 02:04:08.319 So I was like, all right, fine, you'll see. 2343 02:04:08.199 --> 02:04:11.119 These moments where it reveals how he really feels and 2344 02:04:11.119 --> 02:04:13.279 you're like, oh, we hurt his feelings, Like that breaks 2345 02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:17.159 my heart. Yeah, I gave it. I think one of 2346 02:04:17.199 --> 02:04:20.560 the most special things the modern world has been able 2347 02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:23.800 to enjoy, and we crapped on him. 2348 02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:27.520 It's just it's wasted on a bunch of piece of 2349 02:04:27.560 --> 02:04:31.560 shit assholes who are miserable and they want everybody else 2350 02:04:31.560 --> 02:04:36.199 to be miserable. That's how I feel. You don't have 2351 02:04:36.239 --> 02:04:36.880 to cosign that. 2352 02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:38.359 But no, no, no no. 2353 02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:42.720 By the way, so the turn here with the brother, 2354 02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:44.760 I do love this shot where he shows up on 2355 02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:48.000 like the Untamable Beast or it's been tamed five times 2356 02:04:48.000 --> 02:04:50.560 in their history since like the beginning of the dawn 2357 02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:51.239 of their history. 2358 02:04:51.359 --> 02:04:53.520 I think what we needed was when he goes up 2359 02:04:53.680 --> 02:04:56.399 to climb the thing whatever, the camera just pans down 2360 02:04:56.439 --> 02:05:00.640 and there's just the bodies of all the people who 2361 02:05:00.680 --> 02:05:02.800 who died trying to try it. 2362 02:05:02.920 --> 02:05:07.680 Oh yeah, right, Well I was gonna say I love 2363 02:05:07.720 --> 02:05:10.560 this shot where he so he he rides up on 2364 02:05:10.600 --> 02:05:13.079 this thing and everyone's like kneeling for him, and even 2365 02:05:13.239 --> 02:05:15.640 Terry is like damn, like I thought he was like before. 2366 02:05:16.640 --> 02:05:18.079 But then he goes up to the brother and he's 2367 02:05:18.119 --> 02:05:20.880 just like, what's up. And then the way that it's 2368 02:05:20.920 --> 02:05:23.640 framed is like you see the creature behind him, like 2369 02:05:23.800 --> 02:05:27.800 it's over the brother's shoulder on Jake, and then that 2370 02:05:27.840 --> 02:05:30.000 creature like the camera even like tilts up just a 2371 02:05:30.079 --> 02:05:32.760 little bit to capture the creature spreading its wings like 2372 02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:35.439 it's like a flex. I just love how the camera work, 2373 02:05:35.479 --> 02:05:39.600 even as like yeah, damn dude, like like how it 2374 02:05:39.680 --> 02:05:41.520 must be perceived by the brother, like well, what choice 2375 02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:44.960 do I have, Like yeah, okay, you're the guy. 2376 02:05:45.119 --> 02:05:47.439 Yeah yeah, you don't mess around with that. 2377 02:05:48.439 --> 02:05:50.000 It's just such a funny and I just love the 2378 02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:50.720 way that's captured. 2379 02:05:54.359 --> 02:05:59.000 So I, I, uh, I just pulled up Rotten Tomatoes 2380 02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:03.640 as we're talking, and I found they have my review. 2381 02:06:03.640 --> 02:06:08.840 This is from from twenty nineteen. Oh, and I said 2382 02:06:08.840 --> 02:06:10.960 rewatching it with fresh eyes ten years later. The movies 2383 02:06:11.000 --> 02:06:13.760 pluses and minuses both rise into much starker relief. The 2384 02:06:13.880 --> 02:06:18.920 verdict it's fine. But here's what I find am using 2385 02:06:18.920 --> 02:06:21.800 more than my review whatever. Right underneath there is a 2386 02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:24.359 review by Ed Koch as in former mayor of New 2387 02:06:24.439 --> 02:06:27.760 York Ed Koch, What's who? I guess did movie reviews? 2388 02:06:28.239 --> 02:06:30.960 H and he says, in my opinion, Avatar has been 2389 02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:34.319 hyped beyond the point of forgiveness. We know where he 2390 02:06:34.399 --> 02:06:34.800 landed on. 2391 02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:40.600 All right, all right, Oh, I was going to touch 2392 02:06:40.600 --> 02:06:43.119 on this moment a little earlier, but. 2393 02:06:44.600 --> 02:06:47.760 You know, just I was started bringing up about how 2394 02:06:47.760 --> 02:06:48.720 people around the world. 2395 02:06:48.800 --> 02:06:51.439 Some people are just getting really connected with this movie 2396 02:06:51.479 --> 02:06:54.520 and yeah, living it and stuff. And I think the reason, 2397 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:58.399 like you brought up was, you know, he created this tangible, 2398 02:06:59.199 --> 02:07:01.720 beautiful place that like, why wouldn't you want to visit it? 2399 02:07:01.760 --> 02:07:02.399 You know, right? 2400 02:07:02.520 --> 02:07:04.600 Some people wish they could step into the film. And 2401 02:07:04.640 --> 02:07:08.720 I remember this moment where everyone is surrounded surrounding the 2402 02:07:08.800 --> 02:07:10.640 tree and they have their arms around each other and 2403 02:07:10.680 --> 02:07:13.479 they're kind of doing this like chant or prayer or something. 2404 02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:19.319 And I remember not thinking a ton about it, but 2405 02:07:19.439 --> 02:07:22.119 I remember my brother saying, he's like, I love that moment. 2406 02:07:22.720 --> 02:07:23.880 I was like, oh, really, why is that? 2407 02:07:23.920 --> 02:07:28.880 And he's like connection, you know, like community, like you know, 2408 02:07:28.960 --> 02:07:30.800 it's not like neighbors who have their fences up and 2409 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:33.279 don't speak with one another, Like they've come together to 2410 02:07:33.399 --> 02:07:35.920 rally for this thing that they want to happen. And 2411 02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:39.560 he just really emotionally connected to the connectedness of all this. 2412 02:07:39.640 --> 02:07:41.960 And I was like, Oh, that's it's funny because I didn't. 2413 02:07:42.439 --> 02:07:43.960 I didn't at first, and now I think about it 2414 02:07:43.960 --> 02:07:46.960 because of him. But there's just so many things that 2415 02:07:47.000 --> 02:07:49.079 you could connect with in this movie. 2416 02:07:49.079 --> 02:07:50.119 And I just find that. 2417 02:07:50.520 --> 02:07:52.439 Well and if I can just add to that, I 2418 02:07:52.479 --> 02:07:54.760 think what Grace is saying just before she dies or 2419 02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:59.800 she's like, you know she's real, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, 2420 02:08:00.520 --> 02:08:05.239 spirituality right, and you know that that sense of even 2421 02:08:05.279 --> 02:08:10.840 when we leave, you know where our loved ones can 2422 02:08:10.880 --> 02:08:13.680 still find us, you know. I mean, who wouldn't want that? 2423 02:08:13.880 --> 02:08:17.119 You know? I mean, yeah, I was reading sorry, just 2424 02:08:17.119 --> 02:08:19.279 real quick, I was reading an article this morning about 2425 02:08:19.319 --> 02:08:22.319 how you've got these AI companies that are saying, oh, 2426 02:08:22.359 --> 02:08:26.319 you know, like when when your grandparents die or whatever, 2427 02:08:26.399 --> 02:08:28.720 you can feed their personality into an AI and create 2428 02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:32.079 an AI avatar of them to communicate with. And I'm like, 2429 02:08:32.159 --> 02:08:36.359 what kind of fresh hellscape? Like what kind of messed 2430 02:08:36.479 --> 02:08:40.439 up dystopian e fing shit are we having to live 2431 02:08:40.439 --> 02:08:41.640 through every goddamn day. 2432 02:08:41.960 --> 02:08:45.479 It's I mean it's literally a black mirror episode, I think, right. 2433 02:08:45.479 --> 02:08:49.720 You know, and and you know, the the inverse of 2434 02:08:49.760 --> 02:08:53.159 that is this this idea of like, no, you get 2435 02:08:53.199 --> 02:08:56.479 to you know, you you move on from this plane, 2436 02:08:56.640 --> 02:09:01.279 but you're part of something bigger and and you know 2437 02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:03.680 your people can still find you, you know. I mean 2438 02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:05.800 that's something that we would all love to have, you know. 2439 02:09:06.199 --> 02:09:10.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just don't feel like, I mean, 2440 02:09:10.840 --> 02:09:12.560 I think I'm saying something obvious, but I just don't 2441 02:09:12.560 --> 02:09:13.279 think that's healthy. 2442 02:09:14.319 --> 02:09:17.399 I mean, it's not obviously, and yet we have people 2443 02:09:17.479 --> 02:09:19.840 falling in love with chat bots. 2444 02:09:20.720 --> 02:09:22.399 I was gonna say, and it's gonna appeal to the 2445 02:09:22.439 --> 02:09:26.159 people that maybe have the tendency to get most lost 2446 02:09:26.319 --> 02:09:28.359 in those sorts of things. It's gonna be very unhealthy 2447 02:09:28.359 --> 02:09:31.439 for people. Well, yeah, and and and that sort of thing. 2448 02:09:32.239 --> 02:09:35.880 You know, there's a lot being said these days about 2449 02:09:35.920 --> 02:09:38.560 the crisis of loneliness, right, And this is obviously something 2450 02:09:38.600 --> 02:09:42.119 that gets talked about a lot when it comes to 2451 02:09:42.159 --> 02:09:45.239 young men, right, But just more broadly, I think people 2452 02:09:45.279 --> 02:09:50.079 are lonely, right. And you know, I think about, like, 2453 02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:53.279 for me, I lead a pretty busy life and you know, 2454 02:09:53.279 --> 02:09:56.399 I got my kids and whatever. But for me, one 2455 02:09:56.439 --> 02:09:59.079 of the joys of any given week is me hopping 2456 02:09:59.079 --> 02:10:02.600 on Mike and chatting with you and just doing this 2457 02:10:02.840 --> 02:10:05.119 because we're just we're just shooting the ship. And how 2458 02:10:05.239 --> 02:10:08.520 much that means for me, just as like I get 2459 02:10:08.560 --> 02:10:11.319 to do something where I'm just having fun and shooting 2460 02:10:11.359 --> 02:10:13.880 the ship. And I think about, like, how many people 2461 02:10:13.920 --> 02:10:17.279 don't have that person they can just about whatever, Like 2462 02:10:17.359 --> 02:10:20.159 in I mean, granted we're not occupying the same space, 2463 02:10:20.199 --> 02:10:22.079 but you're a real human being as far as I know. 2464 02:10:23.600 --> 02:10:26.399 And how many people don't have that just there shoot 2465 02:10:26.399 --> 02:10:31.039 the ship friend, yeah sure, right yeah, And in the 2466 02:10:31.079 --> 02:10:35.600 absence of that, those needs manifest in weird, unhealthy ways. 2467 02:10:35.800 --> 02:10:43.720 Right right. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's I feel very thankful 2468 02:10:43.760 --> 02:10:45.920 for it. And like I I appreciate all the people 2469 02:10:45.960 --> 02:10:47.680 who are listening right now and the people who reach 2470 02:10:47.680 --> 02:10:50.000 out to us and they continue the conversation. 2471 02:10:50.119 --> 02:10:52.039 I mean, that's what I've always viewed this as. 2472 02:10:52.039 --> 02:10:53.640 Like I always think when we watch a movie and 2473 02:10:53.680 --> 02:10:55.600 then you go to like a restaurant or a coffee 2474 02:10:55.600 --> 02:10:57.479 shop afterwards, and you just want to you got to 2475 02:10:57.520 --> 02:10:59.760 talk about it. It's not even it's not quite a review, 2476 02:11:00.119 --> 02:11:03.479 just a conversation about what you've just witnessed and all 2477 02:11:03.520 --> 02:11:05.199 the thoughts that are fresh in your mind. And I 2478 02:11:05.239 --> 02:11:08.479 love to join our conversation, you know. I love having 2479 02:11:08.479 --> 02:11:09.880 it with you, and I love that people join in 2480 02:11:09.880 --> 02:11:10.439 on it as well. 2481 02:11:10.520 --> 02:11:12.880 Yeah, And I mean I mean that stuff matters, right, 2482 02:11:12.880 --> 02:11:16.319 because it's just it's just human connection. Yeah, And and 2483 02:11:16.399 --> 02:11:19.279 like I said, I mean, it's being drained out of 2484 02:11:19.319 --> 02:11:23.119 our day to day existence, and so then you have, hey, 2485 02:11:23.159 --> 02:11:29.399 you want you want, you know, cgi Grandma to tell 2486 02:11:29.439 --> 02:11:31.520 you she loves you. Here you go, and people people 2487 02:11:31.520 --> 02:11:33.119 are gonna be like, oh cool, all right. 2488 02:11:35.079 --> 02:11:35.479 Yeah. 2489 02:11:35.680 --> 02:11:37.880 I don't know, man, I don't know. All I know 2490 02:11:38.079 --> 02:11:40.399 is twenty thirty years from now are not going to 2491 02:11:40.439 --> 02:11:45.119 look like anything I would have imagined even now. I 2492 02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:49.119 was gonna say, like ten twenty years ago. But no, seriously, 2493 02:11:49.199 --> 02:11:51.279 you know by the way that shot, when I think 2494 02:11:51.319 --> 02:11:54.520 about rendering and time and all that stuff, that shot 2495 02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:57.640 with all those flying creatures going over the crashing waves. 2496 02:11:57.680 --> 02:12:04.079 Yeah, gorgeous. Well, and we're talking twenty nine, right, so 2497 02:12:04.199 --> 02:12:08.560 how long like now, render times have probably gotten shorter? Yeah, yeah, 2498 02:12:08.640 --> 02:12:12.079 So I mean how much time was spent just rendering 2499 02:12:12.119 --> 02:12:13.800 out so much of this movie? Yeah? 2500 02:12:14.000 --> 02:12:16.520 Man, you think about sticking with James Caermon. I mean 2501 02:12:16.520 --> 02:12:19.439 that water tentacle in the Abyss. I was like, yeah, man, 2502 02:12:19.479 --> 02:12:21.960 that took like seven months to render, like who knows 2503 02:12:21.960 --> 02:12:22.880 in nineteen eighty nine. 2504 02:12:22.920 --> 02:12:26.640 You know, isn't that amazing? Twenty years between the Abyss 2505 02:12:27.039 --> 02:12:27.840 and Avatar? 2506 02:12:28.439 --> 02:12:29.399 That is amazing? 2507 02:12:29.760 --> 02:12:30.039 Right? 2508 02:12:31.640 --> 02:12:37.479 You know? I know the movie Babylon is a little polarizing. Yeah, yeah, 2509 02:12:37.520 --> 02:12:41.159 and she's all movie, yeah, Margot, Robbie, and yeah it 2510 02:12:41.840 --> 02:12:47.000 and rightfully so it's flawed, but there's a lot of thing. 2511 02:12:47.159 --> 02:12:49.800 There's enough things in there that resonated with me and 2512 02:12:49.840 --> 02:12:52.039 that I found kind of powerful that I can't help 2513 02:12:52.079 --> 02:12:55.359 but think of it like fondly and one of the 2514 02:12:55.359 --> 02:12:56.119 things that happened, I'm. 2515 02:12:56.000 --> 02:12:58.079 Just gonna spoil it. Basically, there's like a guy. 2516 02:12:59.600 --> 02:13:02.359 Who work in pictures and he goes through all these 2517 02:13:02.359 --> 02:13:05.680 things and you know, ups and downs, and you know, 2518 02:13:05.920 --> 02:13:08.439 even when you're having the worst day possible, it can 2519 02:13:08.800 --> 02:13:11.520 wind up with you getting the shot and that shot 2520 02:13:11.560 --> 02:13:13.760 could live forever and it was worth it, you know. 2521 02:13:14.159 --> 02:13:17.000 And the movie ends with him many many years later, 2522 02:13:17.960 --> 02:13:19.520 you know. I think this is like the thirties or 2523 02:13:19.520 --> 02:13:21.880 twenties or something like that. And then it ends and 2524 02:13:21.920 --> 02:13:23.520 I want to say the fifties or sixties, and he 2525 02:13:23.560 --> 02:13:26.359 walks into a movie theater like I'm gonna go watch 2526 02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:28.479 a movie, and he's an old man and he sits 2527 02:13:28.520 --> 02:13:30.600 down and I don't remember what movie it starts with, 2528 02:13:31.399 --> 02:13:34.439 but then it has this thing where it shows singing 2529 02:13:34.439 --> 02:13:37.000 in the rain, and then it shows the French connection, 2530 02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:39.079 and then it shows back to the future, and then 2531 02:13:39.079 --> 02:13:41.560 it shows Terminator too, and you see the you know, 2532 02:13:41.600 --> 02:13:44.800 the liquid metal visual effect, and then it goes to 2533 02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:52.760 Avatar and it's basically the movies, like they're the movies, Yeah, exactly, 2534 02:13:53.119 --> 02:13:56.359 but it's like they will continue going, they will continue 2535 02:13:56.399 --> 02:13:59.119 to innovate, and they will dazzle in different ways and 2536 02:13:59.159 --> 02:14:02.479 in ways that you know, like it'll never stop and 2537 02:14:02.520 --> 02:14:04.600 it will continue evolving and showing us things you never 2538 02:14:04.600 --> 02:14:06.920 could have imagined. And then it cuts back to him 2539 02:14:07.479 --> 02:14:11.279 in like nineteen fifty or sixty something. I don't know. 2540 02:14:11.319 --> 02:14:13.840 I just and I know that was itself was a 2541 02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:17.119 polarizing scene for people, but I found it beautiful. 2542 02:14:17.560 --> 02:14:20.840 That's interesting. Now you say that was polarizing. Why that scene? 2543 02:14:21.920 --> 02:14:25.520 It was weird? You know, because or weird? Did that 2544 02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:26.119 sum it up for you? 2545 02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:26.520 Zachy? 2546 02:14:26.600 --> 02:14:27.159 It was weird? 2547 02:14:28.399 --> 02:14:28.920 I think it was. 2548 02:14:29.000 --> 02:14:32.039 It just felt like incongruous or something with everything we'd 2549 02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:34.279 seen because it was a period movie and then all 2550 02:14:34.279 --> 02:14:38.159 of a sudden you're seeing images from Avatar and you're like, what, Like, 2551 02:14:38.199 --> 02:14:40.720 I think some people just didn't make the leap with 2552 02:14:40.840 --> 02:14:43.399 it because it's I don't have impression this sticks the 2553 02:14:43.479 --> 02:14:47.479 right word, but you know, it's like, like, what, he's 2554 02:14:47.520 --> 02:14:49.039 watching a movie and all of a sudden he's seeing 2555 02:14:49.039 --> 02:14:51.159 the future. I don't understand. Why are we watching all 2556 02:14:51.199 --> 02:14:54.239 these movies from the future, right, I don't know, but 2557 02:14:54.239 --> 02:14:56.560 it was to me, it was a feeling, and I 2558 02:14:56.600 --> 02:14:59.359 really loved that feeling because maybe I'm I'm very passionate 2559 02:14:59.399 --> 02:15:00.359 about these things. 2560 02:15:00.840 --> 02:15:04.560 Yeah, and so I I don't know, I don't even 2561 02:15:04.560 --> 02:15:05.319 remember how I got on. 2562 02:15:05.239 --> 02:15:07.159 This, but oh, because we're talking about the leap from 2563 02:15:07.479 --> 02:15:10.640 Abyss the Abyss, yeah, only in twenty years, and I remember, 2564 02:15:10.680 --> 02:15:12.439 I think that's what I loved about that sequence, was 2565 02:15:12.520 --> 02:15:17.079 just seeing the leaps made in seconds. Yeah, you know. 2566 02:15:17.199 --> 02:15:19.319 And and it's about the people. That movie is about 2567 02:15:19.319 --> 02:15:21.560 the people who make these things and how much they 2568 02:15:21.600 --> 02:15:22.840 mean to them. And there are a lot of work 2569 02:15:22.880 --> 02:15:25.760 and they could ruin your life and they could also 2570 02:15:25.840 --> 02:15:29.359 give you one of the most profound days of your life. 2571 02:15:29.439 --> 02:15:31.199 You know. Just it's all of it. It's all of 2572 02:15:31.199 --> 02:15:32.760 it at once, and I feel like that's what that 2573 02:15:33.119 --> 02:15:35.920 montage at the end is kind of encapsulating and how 2574 02:15:35.920 --> 02:15:37.199 they make people feel. 2575 02:15:38.359 --> 02:15:43.079 Wow, that's really something. Yeah. 2576 02:15:43.159 --> 02:15:46.000 But it also the same movie has literally has an 2577 02:15:46.000 --> 02:15:51.640 elephant crapping onto the screen. So there's that too, you know, 2578 02:15:51.720 --> 02:15:57.720 there is that too. It's a mixed bag now again 2579 02:15:57.800 --> 02:16:01.239 going into all the components that Cameron, I don't think 2580 02:16:01.239 --> 02:16:03.279 it was. It could have been calculated, but I feel 2581 02:16:03.279 --> 02:16:05.199 like all these things are probably important to him, but 2582 02:16:05.399 --> 02:16:07.359 just things for people to latch onto. Like we were 2583 02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:09.960 just talking about, we have this moment where he's very 2584 02:16:09.960 --> 02:16:12.880 confident he's tamed this untamable beast. He's about to go 2585 02:16:12.880 --> 02:16:15.800 into battle, but he also takes a moment to kneel 2586 02:16:15.840 --> 02:16:18.079 and pray. Yeah, you know, it kind of reminds me 2587 02:16:18.079 --> 02:16:19.920 of that moment I always love in The Phantom Menace 2588 02:16:20.840 --> 02:16:23.079 with a Qui Goun where it's like the heat of 2589 02:16:23.119 --> 02:16:25.920 battle with Darth Maul, but then when he's got one 2590 02:16:26.000 --> 02:16:29.960 moment where they're separated, he takes a moment to center himself. 2591 02:16:30.279 --> 02:16:32.920 And Darth Maul is pacing back and forth like a 2592 02:16:32.959 --> 02:16:36.440 caged animal. Yes, yes, but difference be dartham. 2593 02:16:36.319 --> 02:16:40.159 Light center and yeah, meditating and there's just something. 2594 02:16:40.239 --> 02:16:42.479 Oh, by the way, I love that. Sorry, that moment 2595 02:16:42.520 --> 02:16:44.559 where the ships are taking off and one of them 2596 02:16:44.680 --> 02:16:47.799 hits a soldier out did you see that? It hits 2597 02:16:47.840 --> 02:16:49.639 him and knocks his hat off and you see him going. 2598 02:16:49.559 --> 02:16:52.559 Ah, no, I missed that. I love that. 2599 02:16:52.600 --> 02:16:54.319 I wonder if that was on purpose or it was 2600 02:16:54.319 --> 02:16:55.200 a happy accident. 2601 02:16:55.239 --> 02:16:56.920 But it just adds a reality. 2602 02:16:56.520 --> 02:17:00.760 To it, you know, as you're talking about about you know, 2603 02:17:00.920 --> 02:17:06.239 the that meditation, you know, I wonder if it would 2604 02:17:06.239 --> 02:17:10.200 have been worth delving into who Jake is. I mean, 2605 02:17:10.520 --> 02:17:12.680 you know that those deleted scenes or that, you know, 2606 02:17:12.879 --> 02:17:17.040 that get into his fundamental unhappiness with life on earth. 2607 02:17:17.079 --> 02:17:19.479 You know, they tease at it, but you know, the 2608 02:17:19.559 --> 02:17:24.239 idea that he finds what he finds among the nove 2609 02:17:25.719 --> 02:17:30.520 you know, the the piece that he finds, the love 2610 02:17:30.600 --> 02:17:32.600 that he finds. How is it different from who he 2611 02:17:32.719 --> 02:17:35.680 was before? Yeah? I don't feel like we get enough 2612 02:17:35.719 --> 02:17:39.239 of that, Like we get we get enough where sort 2613 02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:41.239 of like the broad strokes are pretty clear, you know, 2614 02:17:41.319 --> 02:17:44.479 and just sort of the the general uh you know, 2615 02:17:45.799 --> 02:17:47.680 movements of these types of stories, but you know a 2616 02:17:47.719 --> 02:17:48.360 little bit more. 2617 02:17:49.399 --> 02:17:53.879 Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it would make everything 2618 02:17:54.319 --> 02:18:02.920 even richer. Feel Yeah, those suits, this this tech. 2619 02:18:02.799 --> 02:18:05.959 Is so great. I love it. The what the tech, 2620 02:18:06.040 --> 02:18:09.879 you know, the hardware and everything. Yeah, I'm kind of 2621 02:18:09.879 --> 02:18:13.840 surprised we don't have these by now. I'm gonna say, 2622 02:18:13.840 --> 02:18:15.399 I'm glad we don't have these right now. 2623 02:18:15.799 --> 02:18:18.879 You know, you're right. I mean, obviously they could help it, 2624 02:18:19.680 --> 02:18:21.360 you know, I was gonna say they could help it. 2625 02:18:21.200 --> 02:18:23.280 You know with lifting heavy things and whatever. 2626 02:18:23.319 --> 02:18:25.239 But maybe we you know, we just do robots, don't 2627 02:18:25.280 --> 02:18:27.200 we Like why you you know. 2628 02:18:27.159 --> 02:18:29.440 I'm glad we don't have ED two O nine's right now. 2629 02:18:29.559 --> 02:18:32.000 You know it's like touche yeah, because it would be 2630 02:18:32.079 --> 02:18:35.040 used to like rob Banks. Basically, yeah, let's be grateful, 2631 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:39.440 you know, rip vault doors off all bad news. 2632 02:18:39.479 --> 02:18:39.680 You know. 2633 02:18:41.319 --> 02:18:43.799 Man, that's a movie I want to see now, where 2634 02:18:43.840 --> 02:18:47.000 like someone somehow like it's fired from a company or something, 2635 02:18:47.040 --> 02:18:49.639 so they steal one of these like powerloaders, and they're 2636 02:18:49.639 --> 02:18:52.360 going to use it to like rob Banks. So it's 2637 02:18:52.360 --> 02:18:55.360 not like the future future like where everything around is dazzling. 2638 02:18:55.360 --> 02:18:57.399 It's like kind of the world we know, but someone 2639 02:18:57.559 --> 02:19:02.719 as like you know, it's stole one and they use 2640 02:19:02.760 --> 02:19:05.399 it for crazy things. Can a funny movie. 2641 02:19:05.799 --> 02:19:07.959 I think you need to start writing it all right. 2642 02:19:10.600 --> 02:19:15.479 I mean that this is the you know, the dilemma 2643 02:19:15.799 --> 02:19:19.000 of a lot of technology is is you know these 2644 02:19:19.000 --> 02:19:21.920 sci fi movies show like, oh, all this stuff that's 2645 02:19:21.920 --> 02:19:25.639 so cool looking. But like usually these are cautionary tales. Yeah, 2646 02:19:25.719 --> 02:19:28.600 and we tend not to pay attention to the cautionary part. 2647 02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:29.920 They're like, hey, we can build that. 2648 02:19:30.399 --> 02:19:35.639 Yeah you know, yeah, I mean yeah, the AI and 2649 02:19:35.799 --> 02:19:37.600 the Terminator series cautionary tale. 2650 02:19:38.719 --> 02:19:42.719 Yeah. It has been amusing watching Cameron, you know, when 2651 02:19:42.719 --> 02:19:45.120 he chimes in on the AI boom and kind of 2652 02:19:45.200 --> 02:19:48.239 just being incredulous, like, didn't you guys pay attention? 2653 02:19:48.399 --> 02:19:51.879 You know, yeah, I guess yeah, were you listening or 2654 02:19:51.920 --> 02:19:55.879 we just thinking it's cool when his arm turns into 2655 02:19:55.879 --> 02:20:02.120 a blade. You didn't even listen to my story? You know, 2656 02:20:02.280 --> 02:20:04.360 we're about to go in this amazing battle. But this 2657 02:20:04.559 --> 02:20:06.959 was seeing them with all the warpaint. This reminded me. 2658 02:20:06.959 --> 02:20:10.159 I saw this story and I double checked this to 2659 02:20:10.200 --> 02:20:16.120 make sure this was real. But apparently James Cameron visited 2660 02:20:16.159 --> 02:20:21.959 a Brazilian rainforest several times after receiving outcries from tribal 2661 02:20:22.040 --> 02:20:25.879 leaders oh wow that were inspired by this film, and 2662 02:20:27.120 --> 02:20:29.680 you know, they wanted to highlight things that were happening 2663 02:20:29.719 --> 02:20:31.319 to their land that they weren't happy about, and so 2664 02:20:31.360 --> 02:20:33.600 they went to James Cameron. And so James Cameron went 2665 02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:37.479 out to go meet with them. And during one visit, 2666 02:20:37.559 --> 02:20:40.399 he was like covered in war paint and had a 2667 02:20:40.399 --> 02:20:43.840 spear in his hand and met with all these indigenous 2668 02:20:43.920 --> 02:20:47.600 leaders to plan a battle to stop the construction of 2669 02:20:47.639 --> 02:20:52.239 a proposed dam. Wow, And all I thought was, you 2670 02:20:52.360 --> 02:20:57.600 just have no idea where James Cameron is On a Wednesday. 2671 02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:00.760 He could be at the bottom of the ocean floor 2672 02:21:02.200 --> 02:21:04.799 where he could be covered in war paint planning a 2673 02:21:04.879 --> 02:21:07.360 battle with indigenous leaders to stop the building of. 2674 02:21:07.280 --> 02:21:10.639 A Damn Like you just I want a Saturday Morning 2675 02:21:11.040 --> 02:21:13.760 animated yes, called the Adventures of James Cameron. It would 2676 02:21:13.760 --> 02:21:16.760 be like the old Mister t cartoon. Yes, yes, he's 2677 02:21:16.799 --> 02:21:19.680 in a bus with a team of gymnasts, I guess, 2678 02:21:19.680 --> 02:21:24.879 and they're you know, helping native tribes, you know, just 2679 02:21:24.959 --> 02:21:25.959 every week. You never know. 2680 02:21:26.399 --> 02:21:28.360 He would he'd be in his headquarters. He'd have to 2681 02:21:28.360 --> 02:21:31.280 have some sort of talking animal sidekick. You know. I 2682 02:21:31.280 --> 02:21:33.280 had like a little did he do? Did he? Did? 2683 02:21:33.280 --> 02:21:33.319 He? 2684 02:21:33.399 --> 02:21:33.559 Did? 2685 02:21:33.559 --> 02:21:33.879 He did? 2686 02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:33.959 He? 2687 02:21:34.159 --> 02:21:34.280 Oh? 2688 02:21:34.280 --> 02:21:38.399 Oh they need me you know in Brazil, So he 2689 02:21:38.479 --> 02:21:41.840 gets in his pod or whatever you want. 2690 02:21:45.360 --> 02:21:46.040 I'd watch it. 2691 02:21:46.120 --> 02:21:48.479 I would too if it looked like those old eighties 2692 02:21:48.479 --> 02:21:49.559 cartoon Yeah, yeah, oh. 2693 02:21:49.479 --> 02:21:52.879 Yeah, he I have told you about this before, but 2694 02:21:52.959 --> 02:21:56.200 he had this this terrific documentary series called James Cameron's 2695 02:21:56.920 --> 02:21:57.920 History of Science Fiction. 2696 02:21:58.399 --> 02:22:00.840 Yes, I remember that, dude. 2697 02:22:01.000 --> 02:22:04.680 You I mean, you got you got all these talking 2698 02:22:04.719 --> 02:22:07.559 heads talking about you know, theoretical stuff and the various 2699 02:22:07.559 --> 02:22:09.559 films and stuff. But to me, the centerpiece of this 2700 02:22:09.719 --> 02:22:12.440 entire series is James Cameron sitting at a table with 2701 02:22:12.760 --> 02:22:17.200 George Lucas, with Steven Spielberg, with Ridley Scott, with Christopher Nolan, 2702 02:22:18.079 --> 02:22:22.959 and and you know, these guys are like there, they 2703 02:22:23.040 --> 02:22:28.200 are so much the top of their class that there's 2704 02:22:28.239 --> 02:22:30.319 not even any competition anymore, you know what I mean. 2705 02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:33.079 And so it's just you get to see them just 2706 02:22:33.120 --> 02:22:37.280 shoot the shit. You get to see Christopher Nolan and 2707 02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:41.920 James Cameron talking about time travel. Hmmm, right, Like. 2708 02:22:42.520 --> 02:22:43.680 How have I not watched this? 2709 02:22:44.040 --> 02:22:46.639 I mean you you will, you will absolutely love this series. 2710 02:22:46.760 --> 02:22:49.559 Yeah, I mean, I just find Cameron to be such 2711 02:22:49.559 --> 02:22:52.719 an interesting person. And he's obviously brilliant, and he knows 2712 02:22:52.760 --> 02:22:55.479 he's brilliant. So sometimes he can be a little you know, yeah, 2713 02:22:55.799 --> 02:22:58.440 challenging listen to, but like, we don't get a lot 2714 02:22:58.479 --> 02:23:01.639 of that, and I do, and Joy hearing his thoughts. So, yeah, 2715 02:23:01.639 --> 02:23:04.200 I'm surprised I haven't watched that off to do that, right. 2716 02:23:05.120 --> 02:23:05.440 I like it. 2717 02:23:06.399 --> 02:23:08.079 Rodriguez has got the war paint. 2718 02:23:12.000 --> 02:23:14.479 Yeah, kind of a bummer. She taps out. 2719 02:23:14.280 --> 02:23:20.680 Here, Yeah, a little unceremoniously, right, Yeah, it'd be nice 2720 02:23:20.719 --> 02:23:21.959 if but she goes out a hero. 2721 02:23:22.200 --> 02:23:23.719 She does, and she did the right thing. 2722 02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:29.239 That was my feeling when I that's kind of it, right, 2723 02:23:29.239 --> 02:23:30.280 Like she just kind of crashes. 2724 02:23:30.319 --> 02:23:32.000 I kind of wish she had taken something out with her. 2725 02:23:32.440 --> 02:23:34.280 I think we get another shot doing it. 2726 02:23:34.319 --> 02:23:44.760 Okay, I can't remember. So I love this, Like, I 2727 02:23:44.799 --> 02:23:48.760 think this is a really emotional battle. You know, we 2728 02:23:48.920 --> 02:23:51.000 know what the stakes are and we want to see 2729 02:23:51.000 --> 02:23:53.719 them stop these people from destroying their planet and everything. 2730 02:23:54.639 --> 02:23:56.479 And I remember this. If you were to ask me 2731 02:23:56.520 --> 02:23:59.360 the plot of Avatar one, I'd be able to tell you, 2732 02:24:00.079 --> 02:24:03.680 honestly don't remember the plot of Avatar too. And I don't. 2733 02:24:03.680 --> 02:24:06.120 I don't mean that to like, you know, sound like 2734 02:24:06.159 --> 02:24:07.280 a jerk, Like I just don't. 2735 02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:14.639 No. So I had a similar thought because well with 2736 02:24:14.680 --> 02:24:16.440 regards to the second one, but even the third one, 2737 02:24:16.479 --> 02:24:18.680 which you know I've seen about about two weeks ago, 2738 02:24:18.680 --> 02:24:20.799 as were recording this, and I was telling you before 2739 02:24:20.799 --> 02:24:25.040 we got on. I was like, I kind of remember 2740 02:24:25.079 --> 02:24:28.680 what it's about, right, right, right, But I think these 2741 02:24:28.719 --> 02:24:33.280 movies are about feelings. Yeah, yeah, that's that's really it, right, 2742 02:24:33.680 --> 02:24:37.719 And and I think the feelings are what gets you 2743 02:24:37.799 --> 02:24:39.799 to come back, if not to the specific films, to 2744 02:24:39.840 --> 02:24:42.959 the world. Yeah, you know, like I told you, like 2745 02:24:43.280 --> 02:24:45.559 my clearest memory, so yeah, see this is where Trudy, 2746 02:24:45.760 --> 02:24:48.600 like we see her check out. 2747 02:24:48.840 --> 02:24:52.440 Okay, we see your ship crash. 2748 02:24:52.479 --> 02:24:55.440 But but like the my clearest memory of movie two 2749 02:24:55.760 --> 02:24:59.440 is when Jake sees his his grown son who died, 2750 02:24:59.440 --> 02:25:02.319 but he sees as a little child. And I remember 2751 02:25:02.319 --> 02:25:03.520 what that made me feel. 2752 02:25:03.319 --> 02:25:07.760 Like hmmm, you know, like I remember the boy connecting 2753 02:25:07.799 --> 02:25:11.120 with that whale. Yep, and I liked it, Like, yeah, 2754 02:25:11.159 --> 02:25:12.719 it's right, it's feelings. You're right. 2755 02:25:13.760 --> 02:25:16.319 And I will say this about Movie three. If you 2756 02:25:16.319 --> 02:25:18.760 ever wanted to see a bunch of whales put another 2757 02:25:18.799 --> 02:25:21.920 whale on trial, well, hey, your whale is coming in. 2758 02:25:23.040 --> 02:25:25.440 I swear I don't know if you're making it up 2759 02:25:25.799 --> 02:25:26.120 like that. 2760 02:25:26.760 --> 02:25:27.959 I assure you I am not. 2761 02:25:29.000 --> 02:25:31.000 You know, I I know I'm going to be disappointed 2762 02:25:31.040 --> 02:25:35.120 because I'm picturing them sitting upright in a human courtroom. 2763 02:25:35.520 --> 02:25:38.559 Are you picturing like the dolphins in that Simpsons episode. 2764 02:25:38.399 --> 02:25:41.879 Right right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm still I'm 2765 02:25:41.879 --> 02:25:46.159 still interested. So Snorky or whatever. 2766 02:25:48.360 --> 02:25:50.319 That was, you picked that one as one of your favorites. 2767 02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:53.840 If I recall of your of the Treehouse of Horror, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2768 02:25:53.879 --> 02:25:56.040 I remember that was the Dolphin. 2769 02:25:56.559 --> 02:25:59.079 It was very funny, but also I remember it went 2770 02:25:59.280 --> 02:26:04.280 really dark, especially for those those horror ones go dark anyway, 2771 02:26:04.879 --> 02:26:06.879 but that one I remember being like, wow, like this 2772 02:26:07.000 --> 02:26:10.559 is all the humans march into the ocean. 2773 02:26:10.959 --> 02:26:11.680 Yeah, that's right. 2774 02:26:15.559 --> 02:26:18.000 We've had some good sort of I don't know call 2775 02:26:18.079 --> 02:26:20.719 him set pieces, but moments here, like we had the 2776 02:26:20.760 --> 02:26:23.840 brother when he goes into that one ship, right and 2777 02:26:23.879 --> 02:26:25.120 he's battling all those guys. 2778 02:26:25.319 --> 02:26:25.719 That's right. 2779 02:26:25.799 --> 02:26:28.399 Yeah, it's kind of striking when you see the nave 2780 02:26:28.719 --> 02:26:32.239 next to humans, you forget that they're ten peece auld 2781 02:26:32.239 --> 02:26:35.120 their size. Yeah, but it's cool like seeing him in 2782 02:26:35.120 --> 02:26:37.120 there and slow mo using his bow and taking all 2783 02:26:37.159 --> 02:26:37.719 those guys out. 2784 02:26:37.760 --> 02:26:38.959 But ultimately. 2785 02:26:40.159 --> 02:26:44.000 I also like that in terms of the story, you know, 2786 02:26:45.760 --> 02:26:50.719 Jake doesn't assume leadership of the people. You know, he 2787 02:26:51.120 --> 02:26:55.200 once he's you know, conquered the giant leon optics. He's 2788 02:26:55.239 --> 02:26:57.000 not like, all right, I'm the boss now. He's like, look, 2789 02:26:57.000 --> 02:26:59.079 I'm here to help, but you need to lead kind 2790 02:26:59.120 --> 02:27:01.559 of thing. Yeah, and then that guy gets taken off 2791 02:27:01.600 --> 02:27:03.840 the board, and then at that point Jake steps up. 2792 02:27:04.040 --> 02:27:05.600 Yeah, and that's that's a great point. 2793 02:27:05.760 --> 02:27:09.000 Yeah, I want to be like, this is my tribe now. 2794 02:27:09.000 --> 02:27:15.280 Yeah, exactly, Neil bitch like that might have been countering 2795 02:27:15.319 --> 02:27:15.760 to it. 2796 02:27:20.520 --> 02:27:22.920 This is good. I'd forgotten about these creatures, so I 2797 02:27:22.959 --> 02:27:24.920 was like, oh, yeah, these guys, these are perfect. 2798 02:27:24.639 --> 02:27:26.120 To take these people off the board. 2799 02:27:26.440 --> 02:27:29.079 Well, that guy who just got got pounded and flattened. 2800 02:27:29.120 --> 02:27:31.559 He comes back as as one of the Nave clones 2801 02:27:31.600 --> 02:27:34.639 alongside Koricho in two and three. 2802 02:27:34.639 --> 02:27:35.079 It's funny. 2803 02:27:35.079 --> 02:27:36.799 I do remember that. Actually, you know what, The thing 2804 02:27:36.840 --> 02:27:39.959 I remember most about two, which I freaking loved is 2805 02:27:40.000 --> 02:27:42.399 when Korich sees his skeleton. 2806 02:27:42.639 --> 02:27:44.440 Yeah. I thought that was really cool. 2807 02:27:44.520 --> 02:27:46.799 Right, So it's like he's in the NAVI body now, 2808 02:27:46.799 --> 02:27:50.159 but he picks up his own skull and then. 2809 02:27:50.079 --> 02:27:52.680 Crushes it because that iteration of him is no more. 2810 02:27:52.760 --> 02:27:54.760 And I remember thinking that is one of the coolest 2811 02:27:54.760 --> 02:27:57.319 things I've seen in a sci fi movie being. 2812 02:27:57.159 --> 02:27:58.440 Able to do that to yourself. 2813 02:28:02.440 --> 02:28:05.680 We'll get to it. Yeah, here's a couple of years. 2814 02:28:05.760 --> 02:28:08.639 Yeah, I feel like we're we're committing at this point, right. 2815 02:28:12.799 --> 02:28:15.239 You know, as I watched this just real quick, I'm like, 2816 02:28:15.239 --> 02:28:18.479 you know, I don't think I would do well on Pandora. 2817 02:28:18.520 --> 02:28:19.200 I'm just gonna put that. 2818 02:28:19.200 --> 02:28:21.719 That's what I was saying earlier. Man, Like, I get it. 2819 02:28:21.760 --> 02:28:23.600 I'm in love in the tierry. I'm really glad I 2820 02:28:23.639 --> 02:28:25.440 could help, But like I'm kind of feeling like, do 2821 02:28:25.479 --> 02:28:28.399 you want to come back to Seattle with me? You know, like, yeah, 2822 02:28:31.479 --> 02:28:35.079 you're walking around with your ten foot tall Yeah, furry 2823 02:28:35.079 --> 02:28:35.879 blue girlfriend. 2824 02:28:37.680 --> 02:28:38.879 Tell me you don't see it? 2825 02:28:40.280 --> 02:28:40.600 Come on. 2826 02:28:44.079 --> 02:28:46.680 What I was gonna say was, you know, I worked 2827 02:28:47.399 --> 02:28:50.520 on a movie now You See Me, and it had, 2828 02:28:50.559 --> 02:28:52.440 you know, visual effects in it, and it was really 2829 02:28:52.479 --> 02:28:55.520 cool to be in the meetings with Louis La Terrier 2830 02:28:55.639 --> 02:28:57.479 and he would have a laser pointer. They would show 2831 02:28:57.719 --> 02:29:00.879 the visual effects people would show him, you know, the 2832 02:29:00.920 --> 02:29:04.239 shots that involve visual effects, and you'd have a laser pointer. 2833 02:29:04.479 --> 02:29:06.799 And I remember one where there's something projected onto a 2834 02:29:06.840 --> 02:29:09.479 building at the end of the film, and he would 2835 02:29:09.479 --> 02:29:11.200 point and be like, this looks awesome. It does look 2836 02:29:11.239 --> 02:29:14.200 like a projection, but the edges don't quite look like 2837 02:29:14.239 --> 02:29:15.959 the edge of a projection where they would sort of 2838 02:29:16.280 --> 02:29:18.879 taper off or fade or whatever. And I was like, Oh, 2839 02:29:18.959 --> 02:29:22.280 it's like the way that his eyes would study every 2840 02:29:22.360 --> 02:29:24.479 inch of that frame to make sure all of it 2841 02:29:24.559 --> 02:29:27.719 was believable, right. And I remember thinking like, it's amazing 2842 02:29:27.760 --> 02:29:30.840 he's got this eye it. Wow, you know, it's just 2843 02:29:30.920 --> 02:29:33.520 really got to be looking at every corner of the 2844 02:29:33.520 --> 02:29:36.399 frame to do this. And I'm looking at this now 2845 02:29:37.520 --> 02:29:41.639 and all of this isn't real. And you've got people's 2846 02:29:41.760 --> 02:29:45.719 braids flapping in the wind, and you have these little 2847 02:29:45.760 --> 02:29:50.760 you know, flaming fireballs with trailing smoke, and you know, 2848 02:29:51.000 --> 02:29:53.959 just the flutter of the wings of the creatures, the 2849 02:29:53.959 --> 02:29:57.040 way that the wind is playing off of it. How 2850 02:29:57.360 --> 02:30:00.399 do you look at every inch of every second of 2851 02:30:00.440 --> 02:30:05.840 this movie? And you know, like it really takes a 2852 02:30:05.879 --> 02:30:10.840 certain brain, Like I admire it, Like having gotten a 2853 02:30:10.920 --> 02:30:12.840 glimpse of that, it makes me look at that even 2854 02:30:12.840 --> 02:30:15.440 closer and go like, wow, that's incredible, all the things, 2855 02:30:15.879 --> 02:30:18.280 all the detail that he had to have an eye 2856 02:30:18.360 --> 02:30:18.719 for for this. 2857 02:30:20.159 --> 02:30:23.120 Yeah, Well and and you know, going back to what 2858 02:30:23.159 --> 02:30:25.719 we were saying earlier about how he is so exacting 2859 02:30:26.200 --> 02:30:29.000 with his expectations of himself and the people around him. 2860 02:30:29.000 --> 02:30:32.879 I mean, again, it tells you something that there's plenty 2861 02:30:32.879 --> 02:30:34.479 of folks who've worked with him who are like, I 2862 02:30:34.639 --> 02:30:37.520 never want to work with him again, right, But then again, 2863 02:30:37.639 --> 02:30:42.239 he's got a real loyal Coteret, you know, right, And 2864 02:30:42.639 --> 02:30:45.639 that tells you something. I mean, even people who who 2865 02:30:45.799 --> 02:30:48.360 said initially like it wasn't a great time, you know. 2866 02:30:48.440 --> 02:30:51.760 I know, Kate Winslet or you know, Sigourney we were, 2867 02:30:52.879 --> 02:30:55.200 you know, and they've come back, They've come back. You know, 2868 02:30:55.360 --> 02:31:00.239 James Horner famously they clashed on Aliens. Oh interesting, you know, 2869 02:31:00.280 --> 02:31:03.360 and then they ended up having a great relationship on 2870 02:31:03.799 --> 02:31:05.280 this and on Titanic. You know. 2871 02:31:05.520 --> 02:31:07.840 Yeah, what I was gonna say with Kate Winslet, I mean, 2872 02:31:09.799 --> 02:31:12.639 it was a nightmare for her working in all that water, yeah, 2873 02:31:12.879 --> 02:31:14.959 in Titanic, and then she comes back to work with 2874 02:31:15.040 --> 02:31:16.440 Cammon to work in water again. 2875 02:31:17.719 --> 02:31:17.920 You know. 2876 02:31:18.120 --> 02:31:20.120 There you go, it's not just being on set with him, 2877 02:31:20.239 --> 02:31:22.159 She's doing the very thing that I think made life 2878 02:31:22.200 --> 02:31:24.639 miserable for her. So that's yeah, you're right that says something. 2879 02:31:27.120 --> 02:31:29.200 Maybe there's something about seeing the finished product. 2880 02:31:29.600 --> 02:31:32.680 I think that's really what it is, right because because 2881 02:31:33.840 --> 02:31:37.799 with Titanic, I remember, and I'm sure you remember too, 2882 02:31:37.879 --> 02:31:41.479 you know, the eight months to a year before the 2883 02:31:41.520 --> 02:31:44.000 movie came out, everybody just shitting all over it. Yeah 2884 02:31:45.239 --> 02:31:48.879 you know, I mean they were ready to write off 2885 02:31:48.920 --> 02:31:52.559 his career a year in advance, right, And I think 2886 02:31:52.600 --> 02:31:57.239 the last thing they expected, I'm talking pundits, was that 2887 02:31:57.239 --> 02:32:01.440 it would be good. That did not end the calculation. 2888 02:32:01.159 --> 02:32:06.680 Right right, yeah, yeah. 2889 02:32:05.399 --> 02:32:07.799 And yet I love you know, he talked about this 2890 02:32:07.840 --> 02:32:09.959 is in that video that he did for GQ or something. 2891 02:32:09.959 --> 02:32:11.159 It's like an hour long thing. 2892 02:32:11.079 --> 02:32:13.079 In any fair, definitely worth checking out. 2893 02:32:13.120 --> 02:32:15.639 Oh man, so good. And he talks about with Titanic, 2894 02:32:15.840 --> 02:32:19.040 he is a double a double page spread in this book, 2895 02:32:19.040 --> 02:32:21.079 the Art of Titanic, and it's a painting of the 2896 02:32:21.120 --> 02:32:22.639 sinking of the ship. And he goes to the head 2897 02:32:22.639 --> 02:32:24.440 of Fox. He just opens it up to that spread 2898 02:32:24.440 --> 02:32:28.440 points that it goes Romeo and Juliet on that, right, 2899 02:32:28.719 --> 02:32:29.440 and they're. 2900 02:32:29.159 --> 02:32:34.799 Like, go right, I love that though. I remember, you know, 2901 02:32:34.879 --> 02:32:38.079 that's kind of the famous thing too with Aliens, where 2902 02:32:38.120 --> 02:32:40.639 he walked apparently walked into a room and wrote. You know, 2903 02:32:40.959 --> 02:32:42.440 he said he's going to do a sequel to Alien, 2904 02:32:42.440 --> 02:32:45.040 And he writes the word alien on a whiteboard and 2905 02:32:45.159 --> 02:32:46.920 he adds an S and turns it into a dollar 2906 02:32:47.000 --> 02:32:48.479 symbol alien. 2907 02:32:48.520 --> 02:32:52.120 And whether that's true or not, it's sure certainly sounds 2908 02:32:52.319 --> 02:32:52.920 on brand. 2909 02:32:52.959 --> 02:32:57.000 It tracks, It tracks, But I love that. And when 2910 02:32:57.000 --> 02:32:59.000 you've got someone like him and that's all he says 2911 02:32:59.040 --> 02:33:04.879 to you, You're like, I believe you exactly. So the 2912 02:33:05.000 --> 02:33:09.399 terry kind of teamed uh, these crazy creatures. Yeah, yeah, 2913 02:33:09.440 --> 02:33:11.799 but you know that was another moment I liked, which 2914 02:33:11.840 --> 02:33:13.879 could be a little corny or almost Disney, but it's like, 2915 02:33:14.360 --> 02:33:17.319 you know, that's one of their fiercest predators on their planet, 2916 02:33:17.760 --> 02:33:20.760 but when their planet is under attack, they share an 2917 02:33:20.799 --> 02:33:21.920 knowing look with one another. 2918 02:33:23.040 --> 02:33:26.760 Well, Colonel Korus is just that much of an asshole, right, 2919 02:33:27.120 --> 02:33:31.879 It transcends species. They're all like, alf this guy. 2920 02:33:32.600 --> 02:33:37.399 Yeah, we gotta. It's kind of a funn image that look. 2921 02:33:37.799 --> 02:33:39.239 By the time we get here, I'm like, okay, I'm 2922 02:33:39.319 --> 02:33:41.520 checking like the last thing on my bingo card, you. 2923 02:33:41.440 --> 02:33:44.280 Know, right right, yeah, you called it. 2924 02:33:44.559 --> 02:33:49.520 I called it like five for five, And. 2925 02:33:49.479 --> 02:33:51.000 Then I just got up in the middle of the theater, 2926 02:33:51.040 --> 02:33:52.959 and I was like bingo and be like sit. 2927 02:33:52.840 --> 02:34:01.719 Down, sorry, that's hilarious. I was picturing the like one 2928 02:34:01.799 --> 02:34:03.959 other person in there doing the same thing, like you 2929 02:34:04.079 --> 02:34:06.639 two were like doing the same thing, which reminded me. 2930 02:34:07.120 --> 02:34:08.520 And then it made me think of when I saw 2931 02:34:08.520 --> 02:34:11.440 the movie Split and then you realized that it was 2932 02:34:11.440 --> 02:34:12.680 an unbreakable sequel. 2933 02:34:13.239 --> 02:34:13.879 Oh su sure. 2934 02:34:13.920 --> 02:34:15.840 And I remember being in the theater and going no, 2935 02:34:16.600 --> 02:34:19.000 and I remember there was like one other person who 2936 02:34:19.000 --> 02:34:19.479 went what. 2937 02:34:22.000 --> 02:34:24.719 We were kind of like I see you, you know. 2938 02:34:24.680 --> 02:34:28.760 Like like no one else. I remember, having explained it 2939 02:34:28.840 --> 02:34:31.319 to the people I was with, I was like, you understand, 2940 02:34:31.319 --> 02:34:31.520 this is. 2941 02:34:31.520 --> 02:34:34.159 Amazing, both of you two. You lock eyes, you hug, 2942 02:34:34.200 --> 02:34:37.399 You're like, this is what it's like dubs cry exactly. 2943 02:34:41.920 --> 02:34:44.040 By the way, So this is something I didn't even notice, 2944 02:34:44.040 --> 02:34:45.479 but I read it in the trivia, so now I'm 2945 02:34:45.479 --> 02:34:48.920 gonna look for it. But apparently the like war paint 2946 02:34:49.239 --> 02:34:53.239 on the tier, the hand on her is five fingers, 2947 02:34:53.680 --> 02:34:55.040 so it's like jacopplied it. 2948 02:34:56.360 --> 02:34:56.600 Ah. 2949 02:34:56.799 --> 02:34:57.959 I like, that's a great detail. 2950 02:34:58.239 --> 02:34:59.479 I wouldn't have even thought of that. 2951 02:34:59.600 --> 02:35:05.000 Yeah, man, it. 2952 02:35:04.959 --> 02:35:06.440 Looks so good. So there should have been like the 2953 02:35:06.479 --> 02:35:08.159 handprint like on her right butt cheek. 2954 02:35:09.120 --> 02:35:11.920 Yes, that wasn't like, that wasn't worth it. That was 2955 02:35:11.959 --> 02:35:13.559 just like a good game. Let's let's go. 2956 02:35:14.600 --> 02:35:15.920 Let's say, Pandora. 2957 02:35:17.680 --> 02:35:21.440 See this now, this bit here is where you know, shortly, 2958 02:35:22.200 --> 02:35:25.520 you know, NTEREI sees the real Jake and you know, yes, 2959 02:35:25.639 --> 02:35:27.840 you know, and I kind of going back to what 2960 02:35:27.840 --> 02:35:30.079 you're saying before, it'd be funny if he this is 2961 02:35:31.000 --> 02:35:35.200 this is the the dumpy, overweight brother who's kind of homely. 2962 02:35:36.040 --> 02:35:38.879 Right right right the version we pitched at the beginning 2963 02:35:38.879 --> 02:35:39.000 of this. 2964 02:35:39.159 --> 02:35:41.799 Yeah, and he looks nothing like his avatar and she's like, 2965 02:35:42.760 --> 02:35:48.200 my chig. Oh, oh, that's funny. 2966 02:35:50.319 --> 02:35:52.280 He's got a good heart. 2967 02:35:55.680 --> 02:36:06.159 Dunt dun dunce wow thing. Oh man. 2968 02:36:06.280 --> 02:36:09.760 You know we're talking about earlier, you know, James Cameron 2969 02:36:09.879 --> 02:36:11.959 wanting to you want student novels and this and that 2970 02:36:12.000 --> 02:36:16.000 and the other thing, and and ultimately I'm glad none 2971 02:36:16.040 --> 02:36:21.159 of that really happened, because I think this franchise just 2972 02:36:21.319 --> 02:36:23.799 works better as this thing that we get to experience 2973 02:36:23.799 --> 02:36:25.760 in the movie theaters every couple of years. And that's it. 2974 02:36:28.000 --> 02:36:30.719 That's I don't disagree, but I guess that would be 2975 02:36:30.760 --> 02:36:33.719 a really interesting test wouldn't it to what we've just said, 2976 02:36:34.120 --> 02:36:37.120 where this is the thing people show up for in 2977 02:36:37.239 --> 02:36:41.840 theaters for the feeling more than anything else, the experience. 2978 02:36:42.319 --> 02:36:48.040 But would people get into words the stories in a book, 2979 02:36:48.360 --> 02:36:48.760 the character? 2980 02:36:48.799 --> 02:36:51.239 Well, okay, so how actual visual spectacle. 2981 02:36:51.600 --> 02:36:54.520 I'll allow novels because that that's gonna be that's aimed 2982 02:36:54.559 --> 02:36:57.479 at like a niche of a niche anyway. But but 2983 02:36:57.559 --> 02:37:00.000 I don't want your your you know, your Disney Plus 2984 02:37:00.360 --> 02:37:03.440 World of Pandora series or whatever, you know, if that 2985 02:37:03.760 --> 02:37:04.440 none of. 2986 02:37:04.360 --> 02:37:08.000 That okay, if you can't see it in a theater, Yeah. 2987 02:37:07.840 --> 02:37:11.799 I'm like, let let some things just be just be 2988 02:37:11.920 --> 02:37:13.239 a theatrical experience. 2989 02:37:13.479 --> 02:37:16.479 Yeah, and when you're James Cameron, maybe you can put 2990 02:37:16.520 --> 02:37:17.600 your foot down about that thing. 2991 02:37:18.360 --> 02:37:21.719 Yeah. Like I I don't I don't think anything's gonna 2992 02:37:22.079 --> 02:37:25.040 come of Avatar that he doesn't sign off on. And 2993 02:37:25.280 --> 02:37:27.760 I can't imagine he would want a series, you know. 2994 02:37:27.959 --> 02:37:33.239 Yeah, I like this. This is good tension. You know, 2995 02:37:33.280 --> 02:37:35.159 he's suffocating, I can't reach the mask. 2996 02:37:35.479 --> 02:37:37.639 It's a great moment. Yeah, and you know again it 2997 02:37:38.280 --> 02:37:42.600 lets her truly see him and still all in love 2998 02:37:42.600 --> 02:37:43.120 with him, you. 2999 02:37:43.079 --> 02:37:45.520 Know, it is Yeah, jarring. 3000 02:37:46.799 --> 02:37:52.479 Seeing you know her their true sizes, that's right, and 3001 02:37:52.879 --> 02:37:55.360 just even seeing her in that vehicle, you know that 3002 02:37:55.440 --> 02:37:57.680 every like a human would be able to stand up in. 3003 02:37:58.559 --> 02:38:01.319 Yeah, I think the the uh, this is the first 3004 02:38:01.319 --> 02:38:03.799 time we see Nave in this environment. 3005 02:38:04.079 --> 02:38:06.360 M oh yeah, yeah, you're right. 3006 02:38:06.559 --> 02:38:09.000 Right, so there is definitely an adjustment, like we don't 3007 02:38:09.040 --> 02:38:10.680 even see the avatars in this environment. 3008 02:38:10.840 --> 02:38:11.479 That's a good point. 3009 02:38:11.559 --> 02:38:14.040 Yeah, not really, except in the very beginning when Jake, 3010 02:38:14.360 --> 02:38:16.559 you know, when Jake and Norm wake up. 3011 02:38:20.399 --> 02:38:24.440 Mm hmm, yeah, I don't know. 3012 02:38:24.440 --> 02:38:29.280 It could cut to the train entering the the rocket like. 3013 02:38:29.280 --> 02:38:31.159 One of them, just cox and eyebrow, and then. 3014 02:38:32.360 --> 02:38:34.399 Yeah, that's it. 3015 02:38:34.440 --> 02:38:36.280 We just hear it slightly in the distance. 3016 02:38:40.840 --> 02:38:41.920 That's funny. 3017 02:38:42.879 --> 02:38:45.840 She's like, lately, I like this here where Jake is 3018 02:38:45.879 --> 02:38:47.799 like the aliens went back to their world. 3019 02:38:47.879 --> 02:38:48.559 I love that too. 3020 02:38:48.639 --> 02:38:50.920 That's a great line, right yeah. 3021 02:38:51.079 --> 02:38:56.360 Yeah. Giovanni Ribisi, which, by the way, that gave you 3022 02:38:56.399 --> 02:38:56.799 an hour? 3023 02:38:57.639 --> 02:38:58.799 Yeah, yeah, I was the. 3024 02:38:58.760 --> 02:39:01.000 Guy like, but do you remember an hour? 3025 02:39:01.120 --> 02:39:01.440 Come on? 3026 02:39:02.319 --> 02:39:06.440 I read that this Ribisi saying, you know, this isn't over. 3027 02:39:07.399 --> 02:39:09.719 Wasn't in the original version. That was in one of 3028 02:39:09.760 --> 02:39:13.879 the director's cuts. Interesting, ever since when they did the 3029 02:39:13.879 --> 02:39:19.879 theatrical re release, they kept that, so Cameron apparently was like, 3030 02:39:20.120 --> 02:39:23.760 I want to keep that, And every version ever since 3031 02:39:23.879 --> 02:39:27.399 theatrical version has included that scene that was not originally in. 3032 02:39:28.120 --> 02:39:28.920 That's fascinating. 3033 02:39:29.000 --> 02:39:32.840 Yeah, you know this isn't over that. 3034 02:39:32.840 --> 02:39:36.079 That's I mean, don't I don't think you needed that 3035 02:39:36.239 --> 02:39:39.840 to explicitly say a sequels coming. But I suppose since 3036 02:39:39.840 --> 02:39:41.520 you know a sequel's coming, you know, you. 3037 02:39:41.479 --> 02:39:43.399 Know, it adds a nice I don't know, we won't 3038 02:39:43.479 --> 02:39:46.680 call it tension, but just like this is, you've got 3039 02:39:46.719 --> 02:39:49.000 your your ending here, but this there's some things that 3040 02:39:49.040 --> 02:39:49.840 are not resolved. 3041 02:39:50.280 --> 02:39:58.479 Yeah, it gives you a little little hooked there. I guess. 3042 02:39:57.159 --> 02:39:59.760 Something else I read that was kind of interesting. In 3043 02:40:00.479 --> 02:40:06.159 excuse me, the theatrical version Worthington's brother, it says he 3044 02:40:06.239 --> 02:40:09.760 was killed by a gun, but in the extended version 3045 02:40:10.000 --> 02:40:10.639 he says. 3046 02:40:10.399 --> 02:40:11.159 It was a knife. 3047 02:40:11.360 --> 02:40:12.079 It was a knife. Here. 3048 02:40:12.120 --> 02:40:16.879 I wonder what the thinking is why you make it different. 3049 02:40:17.319 --> 02:40:17.840 Yeah. 3050 02:40:18.040 --> 02:40:21.639 Yeah, I mean maybe you shoot different versions to see 3051 02:40:21.639 --> 02:40:25.000 whatever you feel has the most impact. But I wonder 3052 02:40:25.040 --> 02:40:27.159 why he decided, oh, this version will have this and 3053 02:40:27.200 --> 02:40:28.079 that version will have that. 3054 02:40:30.440 --> 02:40:32.879 The Only thing I can think of is that a 3055 02:40:32.959 --> 02:40:36.479 knife implies something happening at close range, and there's something 3056 02:40:37.200 --> 02:40:39.760 more savage about that mmmmmm. 3057 02:40:39.680 --> 02:40:42.159 And more personal about just gun violence. 3058 02:40:42.399 --> 02:40:45.280 Yeah, we don't know the context of the gun violence, 3059 02:40:45.319 --> 02:40:47.639 but we can assume if somebody was stabbed, it happened, 3060 02:40:48.479 --> 02:40:52.479 you know, they were being looked in the eyes by 3061 02:40:52.479 --> 02:40:53.360 whoever did it, you know. 3062 02:40:53.479 --> 02:40:55.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. 3063 02:40:55.520 --> 02:40:57.719 I don't know how that matters in terms of the 3064 02:40:57.719 --> 02:41:00.719 overall story, but I mean that would be the difference 3065 02:41:00.799 --> 02:41:11.239 between those two, you know. I like how the scene 3066 02:41:11.239 --> 02:41:14.559 with Grace earlier allows you to set up this ending 3067 02:41:14.600 --> 02:41:16.680 so it doesn't feel arbitrary, you. 3068 02:41:16.639 --> 02:41:20.280 Know, which it might feel more for our hero, right, 3069 02:41:20.520 --> 02:41:22.920 oh gee, you can save the guy, you know, the 3070 02:41:22.959 --> 02:41:23.239 main thing. 3071 02:41:23.319 --> 02:41:25.239 Yeah, right, exactly right. 3072 02:41:25.600 --> 02:41:31.040 But we know this is a thing Papyrus. Yes, yeah, 3073 02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:32.760 we haven't even talked about that yet. 3074 02:41:33.840 --> 02:41:36.879 So there's an SNL sketch called Papyrus, which is probably 3075 02:41:37.559 --> 02:41:40.399 one of my top five SNL sketches of all time 3076 02:41:41.200 --> 02:41:44.719 in terms of their filmed segments, you know. And yeah, 3077 02:41:44.719 --> 02:41:48.239 it's just it's somebody who's obsessing over the fact that Avatar, 3078 02:41:48.360 --> 02:41:52.520 this multi billion dollar blockbuster, used Papyrus for its for 3079 02:41:52.600 --> 02:41:55.760 its marketing font and and it is brilliant. 3080 02:41:56.040 --> 02:42:00.159 It's so it's it's a funny idea, but then it's 3081 02:42:00.280 --> 02:42:03.799 just so expertly executed. Yeah, that it feels not like 3082 02:42:03.840 --> 02:42:06.239 a thriller, but you know just like a I don't know, 3083 02:42:06.280 --> 02:42:11.879 like a horror film or something. This guy just can't grapple. Yeah, 3084 02:42:11.959 --> 02:42:14.200 and he has to chase down the guy who did it, 3085 02:42:14.399 --> 02:42:19.399 you know, get him through like his window did. 3086 02:42:19.760 --> 02:42:22.280 Yeah. So funny. 3087 02:42:22.680 --> 02:42:23.959 Yeah. 3088 02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:26.760 Sam Worthington as our boy, yep, yep. 3089 02:42:26.799 --> 02:42:27.920 You know a couple of things real quick. 3090 02:42:27.959 --> 02:42:29.600 I want to bring up as this is the credits 3091 02:42:29.600 --> 02:42:34.959 are ruling the world of Avatar at Disney World. I believe, Yes, yes, 3092 02:42:35.319 --> 02:42:38.319 never been there, but I'm sure it's amazing. But that's 3093 02:42:38.639 --> 02:42:41.239 you know, before we even got the sequel that opened 3094 02:42:41.319 --> 02:42:44.040 up there, so they probably had to have a good 3095 02:42:44.040 --> 02:42:46.079 inkling from Cameron that it was coming. If they're going 3096 02:42:46.159 --> 02:42:48.959 to invest in all that keep Avatar alive. 3097 02:42:49.399 --> 02:42:50.799 Yeah. 3098 02:42:50.879 --> 02:42:54.120 I thought this was an interesting thing about Matt Damon. 3099 02:42:54.959 --> 02:42:58.120 You know, he turned down doing Avatar and he would 3100 02:42:58.159 --> 02:43:00.440 have netted ten percent of the movie's profits. 3101 02:43:00.239 --> 02:43:01.959 Which was like two hundred and fifty million. 3102 02:43:02.040 --> 02:43:04.120 Yeah, somewhere are like two nine, two hundred ninety million. 3103 02:43:04.159 --> 02:43:06.360 He would have gotten well, And it wasn't like he 3104 02:43:06.440 --> 02:43:09.120 wasn't like, no, that sounds stupid. He was committed to 3105 02:43:09.159 --> 02:43:10.639 the Bourne War movies. Yeah. 3106 02:43:10.719 --> 02:43:12.399 Yeah, I just thought that was interesting. 3107 02:43:12.520 --> 02:43:18.239 And then also this being the number one highest grossing 3108 02:43:18.280 --> 02:43:20.639 movie in the world of all time. Yeah, and it 3109 02:43:20.680 --> 02:43:23.000 was challenged for a minute there by Avengers Endgame. 3110 02:43:23.280 --> 02:43:23.959 That's right, right. 3111 02:43:24.239 --> 02:43:27.079 Endgame got past it for a second there, and then 3112 02:43:27.120 --> 02:43:29.920 they did a re release of Avatar that put it 3113 02:43:29.959 --> 02:43:31.600 back in the number one position. 3114 02:43:31.719 --> 02:43:33.920 But and Cameron said as much. You know when when 3115 02:43:34.079 --> 02:43:37.559 when Endgame displaced Avatar, they're like, what do you think 3116 02:43:37.600 --> 02:43:41.879 about it? He's like, yeah, we'll get it back. I'm like, 3117 02:43:41.920 --> 02:43:43.319 you cocky son of a bitch. 3118 02:43:43.360 --> 02:43:48.360 You're right, yeah, yeah, but I mean, adjusted for inflation, 3119 02:43:48.600 --> 02:43:51.120 Avatar is the second highest grossing movie of all time, 3120 02:43:51.200 --> 02:43:52.440 only behind Gone with the Wind. 3121 02:43:52.760 --> 02:43:53.680 That's extraordinary. 3122 02:43:54.000 --> 02:43:55.760 It was just kind of amazing about Gone with the Wind. 3123 02:43:55.920 --> 02:43:56.440 Good lord. 3124 02:43:57.040 --> 02:44:02.200 Yeah, and it was nominated for nine awards at the 3125 02:44:02.239 --> 02:44:03.120 Academy Awards. 3126 02:44:03.680 --> 02:44:03.959 Wow. 3127 02:44:04.399 --> 02:44:08.120 So I mean just an all around gargantuan success. 3128 02:44:08.399 --> 02:44:12.600 Yeah, which is how people will describe our commentary track. 3129 02:44:12.639 --> 02:44:16.000 I'd like to believe, let's hope, so in years, in 3130 02:44:16.079 --> 02:44:23.440 decades to come. Yeah, it'll be mentioned in the same 3131 02:44:23.479 --> 02:44:26.840 breadth as Avatar, because you have to say Avatar commentary track. 3132 02:44:26.959 --> 02:44:31.559 So you know, we haven't really seen Avatar until you've 3133 02:44:31.639 --> 02:44:33.879 listened to the movie film commentary. 3134 02:44:35.920 --> 02:44:38.959 So other other thoughts. This is now, this is now 3135 02:44:39.000 --> 02:44:41.959 my fifth time watching this movie cumulatively. 3136 02:44:44.280 --> 02:44:47.200 I don't know what this is for me, four ish 3137 02:44:47.600 --> 02:44:51.280 somewhere around there. Yeah, I mean my main takeaway after 3138 02:44:51.360 --> 02:44:53.879 I finished it. I finished watching it this morning, right 3139 02:44:53.879 --> 02:44:58.280 before we hopped on. It's just almost impossible not to 3140 02:44:58.319 --> 02:45:02.559 find poor of it silly. Yeah, you just have to 3141 02:45:02.600 --> 02:45:05.079 grapple with certain things that just feel inherently a little 3142 02:45:05.440 --> 02:45:08.559 silly or or on the nose or whatever. Right, And 3143 02:45:08.680 --> 02:45:11.840 at the same time, I felt sad when it wanted 3144 02:45:11.840 --> 02:45:13.799 me to feel sad. I felt charged up when it 3145 02:45:13.840 --> 02:45:17.799 wanted me to feel charged up. And at the end 3146 02:45:17.840 --> 02:45:22.079 of the day, you know, silliness aside. It works. I 3147 02:45:22.079 --> 02:45:25.760 think this movie works. And it's no surprise it connected 3148 02:45:25.840 --> 02:45:27.879 around the world because the themes, like you said, are 3149 02:45:27.879 --> 02:45:31.079 just so potent and universal. 3150 02:45:32.120 --> 02:45:33.360 I definitely agree with that. 3151 02:45:33.559 --> 02:45:38.040 Yeah, but it is interesting though I mean for not 3152 02:45:38.120 --> 02:45:42.520 to rehash this tired conversation, but like you don't see 3153 02:45:42.639 --> 02:45:44.399 you know, you see people wearing Star Wars shirts or 3154 02:45:44.440 --> 02:45:47.159 Star Wars action figures or whatever, and it's like this movie, 3155 02:45:47.200 --> 02:45:53.719 as popular is it, or successful as it is, just 3156 02:45:53.719 --> 02:45:56.120 doesn't connect in that way. And that's kind of interesting. 3157 02:45:56.600 --> 02:45:59.479 That is interesting. Well, you know, my thing is like 3158 02:46:00.120 --> 02:46:02.280 when that's a point of critique, like oh, you know 3159 02:46:02.440 --> 02:46:05.000 people aren't buying the toys or you know, yeah, people 3160 02:46:05.040 --> 02:46:08.239 aren't wearing the shirts or whatever, I'm like, okay, well, 3161 02:46:10.319 --> 02:46:13.840 maybe think about yourself, like, don't don't be wearing at 3162 02:46:13.920 --> 02:46:15.879 You don't need to wear Avatar shirts, you know, like 3163 02:46:16.600 --> 02:46:18.159 you do. You don't need to play with the toys. 3164 02:46:18.200 --> 02:46:20.000 Do something, do something with your life. What have you 3165 02:46:20.040 --> 02:46:23.000 done with yourself? That's my response. 3166 02:46:23.200 --> 02:46:27.959 Well, I did think that was an interesting conversation, you know, like, oh, yeah, 3167 02:46:27.959 --> 02:46:29.879 I guess that's kind of true when we only had 3168 02:46:29.879 --> 02:46:33.040 the one, it's at this point, well certainly that, but 3169 02:46:33.159 --> 02:46:35.920 also when the second one came out and it succeeded 3170 02:46:37.079 --> 02:46:41.600 just as well. To me, yeah, it's not a critique, 3171 02:46:41.639 --> 02:46:44.559 it's like, well, it's just kind of interesting, you know, 3172 02:46:44.959 --> 02:46:46.520 like these are successes. 3173 02:46:47.120 --> 02:46:49.239 It's just we connect with them in different ways than 3174 02:46:49.280 --> 02:46:50.479 we do with other successes. 3175 02:46:52.280 --> 02:46:55.959 Yeah, I just I think that that's a very that's 3176 02:46:55.959 --> 02:46:59.399 a very corporatized, reductive view when you're only looking at 3177 02:46:59.440 --> 02:47:02.719 it in terms of, oh, what you know, action figures 3178 02:47:02.760 --> 02:47:04.879 are you putting on your shelves or whatever, Like Okay. 3179 02:47:04.600 --> 02:47:07.079 Well that's something Rabisi's character would say. 3180 02:47:07.280 --> 02:47:10.319 That's right, he'll be a Rai. Don't be a Rabisi. 3181 02:47:10.520 --> 02:47:11.680 Yeah character. 3182 02:47:11.680 --> 02:47:15.040 I'm sure Giovanni himself is a very lovely fella, but. 3183 02:47:14.559 --> 02:47:16.879 It's only because I can't remember the name of the character. 3184 02:47:17.079 --> 02:47:20.680 With apologies to Giovanni Rubci Parker. Parker, Well, I like, Rubci, 3185 02:47:20.719 --> 02:47:24.159 better pitch your Rabbisi's out here bringing up this tired 3186 02:47:24.200 --> 02:47:29.559 talking point. I meanwhile, yeah, Giovanni Ruvizi is like restoring 3187 02:47:29.559 --> 02:47:30.840 all these like cameras and. 3188 02:47:31.280 --> 02:47:37.000 You're yeah, right, yeah, he's like a cinematographer and stuff. Yeah, yeah, 3189 02:47:37.040 --> 02:47:40.239 but here we go. Okay, well, Avatar, we have seen it. 3190 02:47:40.920 --> 02:47:43.719 Yeah, and you know what, I enjoyed it. I'm going 3191 02:47:43.760 --> 02:47:46.879 to try to watch the second one again. Yeah, we'll 3192 02:47:46.879 --> 02:47:49.879 see if it sticks. But like I am looking forward 3193 02:47:49.879 --> 02:47:51.719 to the third one. I'm looking forward to the experience. 3194 02:47:52.079 --> 02:47:55.600 Yeah, same, you know I have, I have watched it already, 3195 02:47:55.639 --> 02:47:57.319 but but I know that my kids want to see it, 3196 02:47:57.360 --> 02:47:58.559 and I'm like, you know, yeah I could. I could 3197 02:47:58.559 --> 02:47:59.799 probably sneak in another viewing. 3198 02:48:00.520 --> 02:48:01.479 Yeah, well tell me about that. 3199 02:48:01.479 --> 02:48:03.799 So you you've seen it, it's over three hours, but 3200 02:48:03.879 --> 02:48:06.000 you feel like you would be okay sitting through it again. 3201 02:48:07.000 --> 02:48:08.760 I wouldn't be opposed to it. I mean, I'm not, 3202 02:48:09.000 --> 02:48:11.760 you know, it's like I'm willing to leave the possibility. Oh, 3203 02:48:11.799 --> 02:48:13.840 but it's it's it's not a definite no, but it's 3204 02:48:13.840 --> 02:48:17.799 a hey maybe. And that's something sure. You know I 3205 02:48:18.600 --> 02:48:20.760 told you this earlier with regards to the new film. 3206 02:48:20.760 --> 02:48:23.520 I mean, it doesn't feel short, but it doesn't feel long. 3207 02:48:23.879 --> 02:48:28.319 And okay I did not at any point check my watch, 3208 02:48:28.399 --> 02:48:30.159 So that that tells you something. 3209 02:48:30.479 --> 02:48:32.479 Yeah, well, tell me your your final thoughts on this 3210 02:48:32.520 --> 02:48:33.440 one then Avatar one. 3211 02:48:33.799 --> 02:48:38.440 Well, I think that it's it's a showcase for James 3212 02:48:38.440 --> 02:48:45.319 Cameron's truly astonishing imagination. Yeah, and also a showcase for 3213 02:48:45.399 --> 02:48:50.799 his technical wizardry. He's he has a well documented ego, 3214 02:48:51.200 --> 02:48:56.360 but to his credit, he consistently demonstrates that he has 3215 02:48:56.360 --> 02:49:01.120 every right to that ego. Yeah, you know, and you 3216 02:49:01.159 --> 02:49:05.840 know the fact that this movie conquered the box office 3217 02:49:05.879 --> 02:49:09.600 in a way that seems unlikely to be toppled anytimes 3218 02:49:09.600 --> 02:49:14.159 in barring another you know Avengers endgame situation that that 3219 02:49:14.360 --> 02:49:15.879 says more than enough. You know. 3220 02:49:16.440 --> 02:49:18.000 Yeah, but there we go. 3221 02:49:18.040 --> 02:49:19.879 But those are our thoughts. I know, I know. This 3222 02:49:19.920 --> 02:49:23.159 is a film that certainly draws many of reactions from folks. 3223 02:49:23.200 --> 02:49:25.239 So let us know, let us know your thoughts, Let 3224 02:49:25.319 --> 02:49:28.079 us know your thoughts on our thoughts. 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We will catch you next time. 3253 02:50:47.120 --> 02:51:02.319 Thanks folks,