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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist

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and David Arsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 2: We love to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: We got some great email this week.

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Speaker 2: Didn't you think remind me.

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Speaker 3: Well you'd ask for advice on procedural shows? Oh yeah,

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one of those. And then also my favorite email was

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the guy who was commenting on an episode from literally

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three years and two months ago.

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Speaker 1: I know, I didn't realize that was an old episode,

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so I wasn't sure what the guy was talking about.

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But I honestly don't remember what we talked about last week.

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So two years ago, three years ago is a bit

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much for me. First topic today I was going to

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go into was the situations at the airports.

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Speaker 2: Now, I have to just preface all.

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Speaker 1: This by saying that I, ever since COVID, have hated

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I've never loved being on plane. I mean, I'm not

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scared of flying. I like the whole experience. It's fine,

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but I hate airports. I hate lines.

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Speaker 2: Since COVID. I will do.

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Speaker 1: I will drive eleven hours to go visit one of

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my kids rather than get on a plane and do

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all of that. But you, I know, travel a lot.

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So has the DHS defunding. The defunding of DHS hurt you?

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Have you experienced it?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So I travel a ton, and in fact, prior

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to Sunday, I had traveled like seven of the seven days,

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and I and like you said, I had done things

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to avoid airports. I'd done planes, trains and automobiles, and

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I I have found myself doing a little more train

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and a lot more automobile than I have done previously,

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because the flying experience can be so miserable. Having said that,

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I've had only one experience with slight delays due to

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the Democrats shutdown of TSA, and that was at Dulles Airport,

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and I still it was not fun, but it wasn't horrific.

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And oddly enough, I've actually had the opposite of problems

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recently where I'll go to my line and it's not

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a short line, it's no line, which never happens, and

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that happened in Vegas for me, that happened at DCA.

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But We're having a big Federalist summit in Arizona this week,

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and I'm flying out soon, and I am nervous about

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getting there and about other people getting there. You know,

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people are coming from every different corner of the country,

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and so if this in any way harms are I'm

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going to be even angrier than I have been previously.

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Speaker 1: I think, or I feel like very few people actually

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know why we're experiencing these troubles, or specifically who is

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at fault for doing it. I'm confident that if this

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was in the reverse, Republicans were shutting down TSA funding,

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it would be the biggest story going maybe second to

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the Iran War. And I really you know, you're very

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critical of Republicans for not really pressing issues. I think

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this is a good example for you to talk about.

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I mean it is if I was a Senator, I

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would be out there or a House member every day

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talking to the public about the reason you are now

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having these horror shows at airports is because of Democrats,

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who incidentally are doing it because they don't want to

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deport illegal us to deport illegal aliens, which is just

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like a double whammy.

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Speaker 3: It is well, first off, the media viewing its role

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as a Democrat party protection racket does make things a

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little difficult here in that probably if you're watching Nora O'Donnell,

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you know, if you're watching CBS or ABC or NBC, CNN,

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MS now, whatever these places are, you're probably not being

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told that this is a Democrat shutdown. You're probably being

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told that there's gridlock in Congress and then being given

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a lot of anti Republican talking points. But even so,

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that's just the reality that's been in reality for a

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long time, and Republicans don't seem to want to do

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what it takes to destroy the corrupt media, but they've

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been given sort of a political gift here in that

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Democrats are trying to make life difficult for average Americans

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and do it on behalf of criminal illegal aliens who

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are the primary target of ICE operations. That would seem

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to be such a gift that you'd have to be

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really bad at politics to not take advantage of of it.

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But I don't think they really are. And in a way,

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I wonder if President Trump sending ICE agents away from

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enforcement of their duties to help TSA at airports, isn't

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therefore a bit of a problem itself, meaning by all accounts,

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the ICE agents being at airports is helping speed up

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these lines and helping people get through and make their flights.

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delays that I at TSA. But in so doing it

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removes the pressure on Democrats to stop what they're doing,

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which is negotiating to make ICE less able to deport

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criminal illegal aliens.

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Speaker 1: Here are some of the headlines just that just pulled

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it up. Republicans set up efforts to reach DHS funding

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deal and shut down. Democrats aren't even mentioned in the

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New York Times headline of having anything to.

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Speaker 2: Do with this. Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Like they figure out ways deal to fund DHS, falters

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a mid bipartisan pushback and so on, you would never

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know from the headlines, which unfortunately is what well, maybe

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not unfortunately, is what most people you know, read, just

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on airports.

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Speaker 2: Like the other I was at JFK not long ago,

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and I was on a line that was.

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Speaker 1: Just snaked for probably four miles. I mean, it was

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the worst line I'd ever been on in my life.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like we can do better just general

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in airports and I don't understand why there hasn't been

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this big push to reform or fix these problems that

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we have. And I think you would any party that

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engaged in that would probably do well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do well.

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Speaker 3: Well did you see that Delta Airlines removed their Congressional

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ticket office until the shutdown ends and people were like,

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what's this congressional ticket off? There are special privileges given

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to members of Congress and their staff so that they

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don't have to experience airports like the rest of us do.

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They get taken to the front of the line, they

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can cancel a ticket without penalties, They can get booked

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on a flight so easily you wouldn't believe it. And

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I think they get special rates as well, So you

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ask why are things not being done? And part of

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it is that we have a two tier class here

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where if you are elite, you do not face what

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the rest of us face at an airport.

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Speaker 1: One time I was at Denver International Airport and John

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Carey cut in front of me. I was about to

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go on and they let John Kerry cut in front

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of me, and he had a snowboard with him. I

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was very annoyed by that, but always fascinating.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: There's another thing I want to say about this, though.

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We seem to have a situation with this and the

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Save Act, where we tolerate a minority party exacting all

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sorts of awfulness to prevent things from happening, but that

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when Republicans are in the minority, they do not get

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that treatment, not only by the corporate media but also

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by the establishment in DC. If forty seven Republicans decide

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to stop something in the Senate, they are treated you

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worse than Hitler. They're treated as if they're just like awful,

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awful people. But when Democrats do it, everyone's like, yeah,

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this is normal, this is okay, and these I think

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a lot of people felt when Donald Trump was elected

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that we were going to see the end to this

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double standard treatment of Republicans versus Democrats because of how

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he was handed things. But you know, even with his

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broad support that he has from the DC establishment, right now,

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I sense that we are continuing. We're reverting back to

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this old way of being where Democrats get to do

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whatever they want, whether they're in the minority or the majority,

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and Republicans don't get what to do whatever they want,

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whether they're in the minority or the majority.

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Speaker 1: As you know, I'm a fan of minorities being able

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to stop majority.

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Speaker 3: They too, I love I love minority rights in the Senate. Yes, yeah,

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And I'm not talking about that, no, I.

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Speaker 1: Understand, But I just want to say Republicans can also

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do it. They're just terrible at making the case and

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obviously they face a huge uphill battle against a media

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in media that that makes them out to be villains.

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I mean, you remember, actually I don't remember exactly what

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it was, but the Republicans are standing in the way

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of something, and they were called nihilists by everyone because

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they weren't funding something that Democrats managed. So it's very

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difficult to fight back. But they don't do a good job.

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So those two things combined it's terrible.

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Speaker 3: And it goes back to the State of the Union

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when Trump said, I'm about to set a trap for

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you that you only have to have a modicum of

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intelligence to get out of. Please stand if you think

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the primary purpose of the American government is to serve

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the American people and not illegal aliens. And the Democrats

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didn't stand like they are willing to do anything to

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protect criminal illegal aliens, and that's sort of so absurd

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that it makes it difficult to use as a political

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talking point, like there were all these problems with the

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Kamala Harris campaign where people didn't believe that she really

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supported transing children or you know, things like that, because

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it's so absurd, so nonsensical, that people like that can't

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be And it almost feels that way with the criminal

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illegal aliens, or even their opposition to showing that you

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are a citizen of this country in order to vote.

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It's interesting how much that's a threat to Democrats and

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how much they're willing to do to stop that.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to the death. To the death of

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Robert Moehler, who had a had a long career, but

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I think for most contemporary people he's probably remembered for

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the Russia quote unquote collusion investigation. Donald Trump had some

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comments about him. He said, Robert Mulla just died.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people.

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There's a big debate about that. I think it's a

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poor form to do that just in general, especially for

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the president.

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Speaker 2: I saw you were maybe less.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what your opinion what was your opinion

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on that comment from Donald Trump?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, Robert I told I frequently wish that our

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president would say things differently. But I'm not going to

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go after President Trump on this particular thing because Robert

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Moeller tried to coop him. You know that it was

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a coup attempt. He went after anybody who was ever

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nice to Donald Trump in any capacity. He went after

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Trump's family, friends, campaign associates, and when he began his investigation,

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we know based on written documents, they knew there was

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no collusion at that time. And they spent tens of

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millions of dollars to destroy a presidency, to remove a

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duly elected president, to create a climate that enabled assassination attempts,

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and that put friends in prison trying to get them

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to make something up about President Trump. So am I

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going to be like, gosh, you weren't the nicest about

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this guy when he died? No, I'm not. And I

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found far more vile and reprehensible the comments from former

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presidents saying Robert Moehler was a great man. I mean,

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that's disgusting to me. That's that's so reprehensible. I can't

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believe anyone would do that Republican or Democrat. And I

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just saw last night President George W. Bush was like,

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Laura and I were so saddened that the guy who

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tried to coop a duly elected president died. It was

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you know, what a great man he was. It's like, no,

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I don't care. I actually don't care if everything else

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he did in his life was good and it was not.

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And I wrote about that in twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen,

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maybe if you tried to coop a sitting president with

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a phony investigation. And I just remind people when he

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testified before Kong, after Bill Barr destroyed his little attempt

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by saying, yeah, you know, we asked him to investigate

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Russia clusion and there's no Russia collusion, so we're gonna,

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you know, close this chapter. And he had done that

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thing with the two volumes, and he was like, okay,

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so there was no collusion, but we think he was

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too angry about our investigation into something we knew was fake,

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and so there really was obstruction and he so the

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whole effort fails, right, The whole release of the Moler

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report fails after tens of millions and a year and

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a half every day being a crazy media story. And

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so the media and other Democrats tried to get him.

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They make they were like, why what if he testified?

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investigation of Fusion GPS, which is the group that manufactured

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to perpetuate, and he says whose Fusion GPS? In other words,

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like I mean, I don't even know. I don't even

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know what to do with that. If you were and

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a fake Hillary Clinton funded group had manufactured and disseminated

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a very dangerous hoax and you were in a position

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to do anything about it, any good American would do

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something about it. And so this idea that we're going

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to praise this man, you know, it's disgusting to me.

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Donald Trump speak against a guy who was very bad

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and did bad things, and then say nothing about Barack

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Obama praising him as a man who supported rule of

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law is just enraging to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know Donald Trump is who he is,

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so it is what it is. I don't I think

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it's better if he had said nothing, because he's the president.

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don't think Muller was a great man or anything like that.

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him a long time, you would say something nice about it.

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Speaker 2: But I will say I.

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Speaker 1: Think Moeller was the person who actually finally inadvertently killed

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the Russia collusion or exposed the Russia collusion hoax when

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he spoke in front of Congress, and he obviously was

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not mentally capable. It was clear that he was not

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mentally capable of running this investigation, that other people were

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running the investigation, that he didn't really even know what

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it was about, and I don't twenty nineteen, I forget

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the date, and he was basically forced to admit that

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the whole thing was nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he didn't want to do.

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Speaker 1: That, but that was the moment I think that a

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lot of people were like, who are still saying to

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some extent where like, yeah, this whole thing's bs. I mean,

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that's how I remember. It's a while back, seven years now.

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was no conspiracy, collusions, not even a real thing.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think he deserves any credit for anything

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he did in his investigation. I think he deserves nothing

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but condemnation. It is true that by some miracle, you know,

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if the federal government comes after you, they're going to

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get you on not just something, but they could get

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you on a lot of things. It's nothing short of

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a miracle that they did not have anything to go.

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Speaker 2: On after Can I say I forgot to make my

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main point? Then? My main point was the people who.

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Speaker 1: Were conducting that investigation wanted to get Donald Trump so badly,

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and the fact that they couldn't get him, I couldn't

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get anyone around him on anything, was more proof than

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anything else that there was nothing to get right.

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Speaker 2: Is that a fairssessment of his investigation?

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Speaker 3: I do. I just don't think he deserves any credit

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for that. There were many illegal actions taken in the

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effort to destroy an American president and to undo the

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results of the twenty sixteen election, and Robert Moller went

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after precisely zero of those people. He protected one hundred

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percent of those people, and he instead went after people

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in an effort to get them to say something against

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Donald Trump. It is true and Byron York's book Obsession

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is very good on this point, and I would always

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recommend people read it as a reflection of those times

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or accurate reported thing about those times. That Robert Mohler

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was chosen for that role because he was perceived as

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a Republican. He was perceived as unimpeachable. Now that was false,

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and I wrote about that at the time, but he

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all already probably had dementia at that point. So his

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lack of control over his you know, he hired exclusively

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hard left activists, Democrat prosecutors and people like that to

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be part of his team. So the twelve top people

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weren't just left, I mean they were hard left. They're

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people like Andrew Weissman. They're people who were involved in

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all of the Get Trump efforts during the interregnum. They

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were activists. He didn't really have control over them, he

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didn't maybe even know what they were doing. And so

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it's hard to know just precisely how much to blame him,

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given that he was losing his mind and was taken

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advantage of, probably by these far left Democrat activists.

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Speaker 1: But you remember how the anticipation and the eagerness thought

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that all the Russia collusion hoasters and people will believe

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that couldn't wait for his report. I mean, they thought

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for sure it was going to blow it open, and

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it didn't do anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It was just such a big disappointment.

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Speaker 3: They were lighting candles that were like those saint candles

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that Roman Catholics have with Robert Mohler's picture on it.

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I think they called it like molar moss or something.

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I don't even remember. They were celebrating holidays around him.

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They were worshiping him, and he left them high and drive.

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That is true. But I do want to just say

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for this hagiography about him, and I am not someone

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who thinks like when someone dies, you should go after them.

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I remember people being like, you literally can't criticize him.

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But there were all sorts of things that I thought

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were worthy of criticizing him over, including you know, he

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was leader of the FBI when the anthrax investigation was

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completely bungled. He was also the person who let Sandy

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Berger serve no jail time when he stuffed documents in

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his socks. Like the treatment of Democrats under his FBI

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was ridiculous relative to the treatment of Republicans and to that,

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to that point, you know, it was the charging Scooter Libby,

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but not the leaker. He he had no control over,

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you know, Comy. There was the railroading of Ted Stevens,

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who was falsely accused of things by the FBI and

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had his political career destroyed in Alaska and was exonerated later.

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There was bad stuff about in Israeli spir ring that

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had been bungled as well, basically accusing a guy who

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had talked with you know, like an America. It was

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like accusing some guy who had merely had like conversations

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of being an Israeli spy just general incompetent supervision of

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Andrew Weissman and other people. So this idea that he

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is unimpeachable was unimpeachable just isn't really true. No matter what,

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though nobody destroyed the reputation of the FBI as much

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as Robert Mohler and Comy they ruined it. I mean,

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there's no coming back from what they did, and the

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idea that you would praise this person as a man

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who upheld rule of law when it counted when he did,

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not just the opposite, but maybe the worst in history.

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Opposite is just bad. So I'm sorry for his family

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and friends. I'm sure he also did many, many good things,

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and I know he had a decorated military career for instance,

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And you know, I don't. I understand that everyone's very complicated,

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but nobody should be confused about the damage this man

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caused the country and we have still we're still suffering,

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in part because basically no one has been held accountable

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for it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is interesting. I also try not to.

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Speaker 1: Say negative things about someone who's just passed away, not

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because of them, but because of their family, and I

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think it's in poor form. But I've noticed lately and

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I did have to do this twice and recently when

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Jesse Jackson died and I forgot who else it was

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that if you are quiet and you act with korum,

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other people run to create revisionist histories of this people, yeah,

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make them into saints. And if you don't act to

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kind of push back, these stories cement their legacy in

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a way. So that you have a responsibility to get

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the history right. I hate this idea. I remember at

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the time, if you criticized him, you would be smeared.

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You know, they'd say, like, he served this country and

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you know you're just a putin stooge or whatever. This

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is not a fascist state. I get to be critical

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of anyone I want.

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Speaker 3: And it is good to honor military service. It is

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good to honor that that does not give you a

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get out of jail free card for the rest of

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your life.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to point yeah, no, no, police.

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Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to kind of talk about Margo Cleveland

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testifying this week about FBI and d O j abuses, and.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned one last thing on the Russia collusion stuff.

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There was a piece by Eli Lake. You might not

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have loved it, but it was about Bob Muller's tarnish

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legacy about why he had good you know, he had

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a good career but then Russia, the Russia stuff ruined

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it for him. And Joe Scarborough a Morning Joke chimed

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in that this was a joke of a piece because

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he said the Senate Intelligence Committee had found that, you know,

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all the things I found that it was a grave

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counter intelligence threat, and this and that, and actually Russia's

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stuff was true. Now, I just want to mention that

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these dead enders on the Russia collusion stuff have also

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revised the history to ten. That this was just about

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the twenty sixteen Trump campaign and how it was susceptible

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to Russian interference. That wasn't the thing that they talked

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about day in and day out. That's not the thing

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that they obsessed over. Joe Scarborough said that Donald Trump

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had been compromised, that there he had been blackmailed. He

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didn't talk about some low level twenty sixteen camp like

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they are trying to change history, just like they do

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for Robert Mueller's bio, to make it this very rational,

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you know investigation, this very rational thought process. But they

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were unhinged when Jonathan Chait wrote his spiece about how

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Donald Trump was an assence since nineteen eighty seven, he

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had he was on there talking about it. He asked,

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I forgot his co host named Brazinski or whatever named Mika,

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Mika is he is he an asset? Mika Brazinski one

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hundred percent? Like that's not about some campaign worker in

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the Trump campaign. That's about Donald Trump and what would

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have been the biggest scandal in American history, maybe in

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the history of the world, if the President of States

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had been an asset for another country. So please, I mean,

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let's let's let's not do that. I'm sorry, so Marvi.

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Speaker 3: I love also like the Senate Intel Committee, which was,

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by the way, a complete joke of an investigation, where

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the Republicans were basically completely a wall on the whole thing,

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and they let Democrats just kind of manifest their insanity

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on that also suffered from restricted information. And so for example,

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within the last year, we have seen the release of

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quite a few documents from d and I Tulci Gabbard

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and the CIA John Ratcliffe showing that there was an

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attempt to manufacture a Russi occlusion narrative precisely to affect

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members of the Senate in Congress, and most people fell

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for it, and they were given a report that seemed

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to be well, a report that alleged that Donald Trump

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there was a legitimate reason to believe Donald Trump was

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a Russian asset, and very few Republican or Democrat senators

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had the wherewithal to even question this remotely. But as

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those documents were released in the last year. It basically

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makes that entire Senate report completely loot. But it is

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interesting how much people cling to that but don't cling

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to the excellent work put out by the House Permanent

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Select Committee on Intelligence. In fact, when the House Permanent

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Select Committee on Intelligence was saying, we think their Afiza abuses,

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we have questions about the predicate, where you know, we're

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concerned about this dossiate. You know, everyone said these people

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are insane, and they've been totally you know, and they

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did it very quickly too. The Senates Intel whitewash thing

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took many, many years and was heavily redacted, and was

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written in such a way to give people like Mika

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Brzinski a chance to say, oh, no, there really was

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Russia collusion. Like they're just so bitterly clinging to it

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that it's embarrassing, But they don't give credence to the

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much better work by the House Permanent Select Committee.

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Speaker 1: Despite everyone's best efforts, there were zero convictions having anything

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to do with conspiracy by anyone, right, even the I

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mean Manifred or whatever his name was, was I think

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jail for some kind of tax forgot.

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Speaker 3: He sailed clearly in an attempt to get him to

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turn on Trump. Yeah, you know, and he didn't do it,

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which is interesting. Okay, So I mentioned that Margot Cleveland,

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our senior legal contributor at the Federalist, was testifying this

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week before the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on the Courts. No,

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what was it. I forget what the subcommittee was, and

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it was really interesting. They were talking about constitute dutional

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abuses as part of the Arctic frost efforts, but also

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other things that the FBI and DJ have been engaged in.

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Senators Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson released additional documents showing

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that Jack Smith and his team were relying on that

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one party J six committee led by people only people

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appointed by Nancy Pelosi who agreed with her perspective on

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J six and essentially led by Liz Cheney. They were

478
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relying on that committee which had no balance on it,

479
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zero balance to do like preliminary quote unquote investigations, and

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then they were just using their map that they provided

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for who they would go after. We learned that Jack

482
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Smith really went out of his way to hide his

483
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attempts to spy on his political opponents in the Republican Party,

484
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including that you know, when he went after a bunch

485
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of senators only one senator had a company mobile phone company,

486
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went after a mobile phone company that said, like, we're

487
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not going to turn over his records, and when they

488
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pushed back, he did not in any way go to

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the courts to try to secure these records. And Senator

490
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Cruz was asking the panelists whether they thought the reason

491
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why he didn't go to a judge on that was

492
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because he knew he would lose. And there are all

493
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these emails showing that they were aware that they were

494
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violating people's privacy rights First Amendment rights, speech and privacy

495
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I'm sorry, speech and debate clause rights, and they did

496
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not care or they worked to make it so that

497
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it didn't matter. It also showed interesting like almost it

498
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looked like coordination with Judge Beryl Howell, and she was

499
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strongly supportive of the approach they were using to go

500
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after their political opponents. I mean, really interesting documents. And

501
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,319
once again, you know, like I'm glad that the Senate

502
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held hearings on it, but there's a lot of bad

503
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behavior out there at the FBI and DJ it seems

504
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:34,799
to be a completely rotten organization in many ways. I'm

505
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,480
not saying there's nobody there that's good, but the percentage

506
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,279
of people who are good seems to be very tiny

507
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relative to the people who are just abusing their power.

508
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And it's a it's a very bad situation.

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Speaker 1: It's a terrible situation because it finds us in a

510
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place now where most American people don't trust our institutions

511
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at all, the ones that we need to trust most.

512
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And I think that goes back in a big way too. Well,

513
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it goes back to Obama, but it goes back in

514
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a big way to the russiaclusion stuff and then the

515
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stuff that came after.

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Speaker 4: Twelve point seven percent of US credit card balances.

517
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Speaker 1: Are how late.

518
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Speaker 4: Watch Dout on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every

519
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the

520
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economy and how it affects your wallet. American's credit card

521
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balances are experiencing late fees to the highest level since

522
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,079
twenty eleven. More and more people are falling behind as

523
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,240
people are over ninety days late. Not a good sign.

524
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:32,400
Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

525
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it's affecting you financially.

526
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Speaker 2: Be informed.

527
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,119
Speaker 4: Check out the watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with

528
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

529
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Speaker 2: You want to talk about the death of Kermit goz now,

530
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I do. Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So for people who don't remember or don't know,

532
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,839
he was a late term abortionist.

533
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: In Philly, right West Philly.

534
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Speaker 1: He uh, you had, well, let's put it this way,

535
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you had a lot to do with bringing that story

536
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to national attention. I'd say, if I remember correctly, what

537
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was a twenty third, twenty eleven, maybe I think before

538
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I knew.

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Speaker 3: Met you, I think it was twenty eleven, and I

540
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,680
don't remember exactly, and it's been a long time, but

541
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the situation there was that Kermit Gosnell was a decades long,

542
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you know, prolific abortionist in Philly and had a lengthy

543
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history with the abortion movement. He had actually been involved

544
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in something called the Mother's Day Massacre where he pioneered

545
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:37,359
this abortion method where he took like a bunch of

546
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,759
I want to see, like metal parts and put like

547
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,640
a gel around them and then inserted them into the

548
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,799
women and then as the gel melted, it tore up,

549
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:51,359
tore up their insides, you know, It was kind of

550
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like a month, even by abortionist standards, which is not

551
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,319
a great standard since their entire profession is about ending

552
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life in the womb violently. He was particularly monstrous about it.

553
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But he kind of worked un regulated, unobserved for many decades,

554
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and his specialty was working with women who were in particular,

555
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:21,960
like you know, hardship situations. He had a well, let's

556
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first talk about how he was discovered. So he among

557
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,360
the other things he was doing, he apparently was a

558
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doctor feel good who was willing to write prescriptions for

559
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,400
people for drugs, and the DEA was looking into that

560
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and they raided his clinic. And when they rated his clinic,

561
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,639
they realized that it was like a bigger situation than

562
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:49,440
just the drugs. They found lots of baby body parts

563
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in formaldehyde, They found body parts in the refrigerator. They

564
00:34:54,599 --> 00:35:00,679
found hallways that were filled with trash that you know,

565
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,079
you couldn't safely evacuate a woman, say he botched an abortion,

566
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which he did all the time, You couldn't safely evacuate

567
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a woman to get to the hospital. And there were

568
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,519
all sorts of issues in play. They even found that

569
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:17,519
he had different standards of care in a racist way.

570
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He himself was a black man, but he would take

571
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advantage of women on an ability to pay and seem

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to prey on like black immigrant women frequently or other

573
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immigrant women. And so you would get anesthesia based on

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your ability to pay, and the more you paid, the

575
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,440
less pain you would be in, just like so many

576
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:50,000
health policy issues in play here. And great, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Didn't a woman die as well? Wasn't there a manslaughter charge?

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Speaker 3: Ye? Like several women had reportedly died, And he wasn't

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just killing babies who were pre pre the age limit

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and I don't remember what it was at the time

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00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,960
in Pennsylvania. He was also delivering babies live and then

582
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killing them. And so he ends up being charged with

583
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,880
the deaths of I think one of the women and

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a few of the babies that he killed.

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Speaker 1: But I think they suspected that there were hundreds of

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born alive deaths and maybe even more women.

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Speaker 3: Maybe even thousands. Yeah, it was kind of his primary method,

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according to what the grand jury found, And so when

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the grand jury released their report, it was called House

590
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of Horrors, and the description in the grand jury report

591
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,639
was just unbelievable, and it did get some news coverage

592
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,920
when that happened, Like when that report came out, it

593
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,840
got national news coverage. And usually when you discover a

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prolific serial killer who has done like crazy things like

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this over a long period of time, and it implicates

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government regulating agencies and the abortion industry and in abortion

597
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,880
groups of which he was like a very prominent and

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00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,800
happy member, and the abortion movement. You know, like you

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would think that for something that implicated so much, it

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would be the kind of story that I don't know,

601
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,440
like the Russia collusion hoax, you might get multiple stories

602
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,639
a day out of Instead, it was one story, one story,

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And at the time I thought, well, maybe when the

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trial begins, that's when they'll cover it more. But the

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trial began and nobody was covering it. Nobody, and a

606
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local reporter JD. Mulane, showed the empty seats that they

607
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,679
had reserved for the media. They had assumed there would

608
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be quite a bit of media interest in this serial killer,

609
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like dramatic serial killer story, and there was no media interest.

610
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And my very tiny role in this was just to

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contact every reporter who had made a huge deal out

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,800
of Sandra Blood or of do you remember when the

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Susan g. Coman Foundation tried to stop funding Planned Parenthood

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and that became a big story, or Wendy Davis like

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I or Todd Aiken. I just looked at the reporters

616
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,840
who would write, you know, Todd Aikin said something not

617
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great on the campaign trail and a reporter might write,

618
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:22,760
no joke, fourteen stories on it. And when Susan g.

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Comen tried to stop funding the abortion the leading abortionist

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00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:31,679
Planned Parenthood, maybe another twenty stories on it. You know,

621
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it would be like they knew what to do when

622
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they had a story, they knew what to do. When

623
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they didn't have a story, they would write twenty stories

624
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on it. And so I would like add up all

625
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,199
the stories they had written on the on the information

626
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,559
operations done by the pro abortion movement and say, okay,

627
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:52,239
you wrote seventy eight stories on Todd agg and Planned Parents.

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Why have you not covered the Gosnel trial? And I

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would just ask, like every reporter, this is in the

630
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early days of Twitter, when you could contact a and

631
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:06,639
they would respond and quite notoriously, this woman, oh my gosh.

632
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: What's her name? She was at the Washington Post?

633
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,559
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so the best one of these, I thought,

634
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and there were many, many good ones, but the best

635
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,719
one was Sarah Cliff at the Washington Post was their

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00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,480
health policy reporter, And I just tweeted Washington Post health

637
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,559
policy reporter Sarah Cliff has eighty plus site hits on

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00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:37,400
the Aiken, Fluke Coleman stories and zero on Gosnel. Would

639
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,440
love an explanation and of this story, which had maybe,

640
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,320
like I don't know, forty five good health policy angles.

641
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,960
She said, Hi, Molly, she misspelled my name. I cover

642
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:54,880
policy for the Washington Post, not local crime. Hence why

643
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,000
I wrote about all the policy issues you mentioned. You

644
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,840
remember the policy issues in play with Todd Akin's comment,

645
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,760
I'm sure you remember the policy issues in play with

646
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,800
the Coman Foundation.

647
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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, I like this.

648
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Speaker 3: There are no policy issues with what is the width

649
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of your hallway? You know, because like when people try

650
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to say abortion clinics should have admitting privileges for their

651
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,800
doctors at hospitals. That's so that they can take the

652
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,480
patient right to the hospital and explain what's going on. Right,

653
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That's so, you know, you have to have a certain

654
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width of your hallway if you're doing abortions, so that

655
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,960
when you butcher a woman along with her baby, she

656
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,599
can be safely evacuated. That's a health policy issue. When

657
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,000
you have different standards of care based on immigration or

658
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:47,320
racial status, that's a health policy issue. And Sarah Cliff

659
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said this was a local crime issue. Okay, So how

660
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,880
did the papers cover this local crime issue? You know,

661
00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:02,280
think about other local crime issues, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd,

662
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,480
Michael Brown. Those are local crime issues. Did the Washington

663
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:10,440
Post find fit to cover those?

664
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Speaker 1: Hmm?

665
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Speaker 3: Maybe to the tune of thousands of stories.

666
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Speaker 1: Well, they will tell you that it reflects a national problem,

667
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,800
which of course late term abortion does as well. You

668
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,079
will remember John McCormick, I think the Weekly Stand was

669
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:30,199
still around, and he was covering Congress, I think, and

670
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,480
he got Nancy. He asked Nancy Pelosi what the difference

671
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:37,280
was between Kermit Gosnell did and the run of the

672
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mill late term abortionist. I think it was just maybe cleanliness,

673
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:45,519
but or neatness. But she couldn't answer that question. She

674
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,679
kind of yelled at him and found it reprehensible and

675
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,119
said he was savoring the question or something like that.

676
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,840
It was just crazy. You will remember she said that

677
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,679
abortion was sacred ground for her she's a Catholic, That's

678
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:03,480
what she said, yes, and that the story itself was

679
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was massive because.

680
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Speaker 2: It had been a long time or maybe we'd.

681
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Speaker 1: Never actually gotten a real look at the horrors of.

682
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Speaker 2: Late term abortion in this way.

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Speaker 1: It was always couched in like language, you know, by

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by media that made.

685
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Speaker 2: It sound outside the norm, but never like murder. And

686
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this was clearly murder.

687
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Speaker 1: And the reason that Nancy Pelosi couldn't answer that question

688
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,079
is because there is no difference between those those between

689
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,960
the guy and Colorado, did he dieet?

690
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Speaker 2: And others like that.

691
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: Right, who's a you know, one of the great mass

692
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murderers in American history, and it it is, it's not changed.

693
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I mean, I think abortion is still covered with this

694
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kind of deceit. I just think it was an incredibly

695
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,599
important story, didn't they They made a movie and you

696
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,079
were a character, right or was a.

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Speaker 3: Comparing There's a great movie actually directed by Nick Cercy,

698
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,599
who I love and I think he's so wonderful and talented,

699
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,960
and the screenplay was by Andrew Claven and the original

700
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story was from the writing team of mcalar Mcalhaaney Felman

701
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,199
Anne who did that and it was really well done.

702
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:32,199
I thought and done, you know, just tells the story

703
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,000
and it takes some liberties with certain things. So for instance,

704
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there's a character who's a reporter character and her name

705
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,559
is Molly Mulaney, and it's based you know, I mentioned

706
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,920
Jad Mulane, the guy who was covering the trial locally,

707
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:53,760
and then I, you know, I I tried to shame

708
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journalists into covering it, and so it was kind of

709
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,239
you know, in a lot of that. So it's very

710
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,760
cool that there's a character like that, and that's good movie.

711
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,400
I'd highly recommend it. Nick Sercy's work.

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Speaker 1: Local crime story became part of the vernacular of American

713
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,000
politics after that, right, I mean, you'd always mock liberals

714
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,440
for for not covering local crime stories. I think this

715
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is when you first came to my attention. I was like,

716
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,559
I like the cut of her jib. I think, but

717
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:28,880
I might have known what you're love.

718
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: That, David. I've been reading you for so many years

719
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,519
prior to that.

720
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Speaker 1: It couldn't be that many years. Let's just mention since

721
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,679
we've been ragging on media. Scott McFarland, who was like

722
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,360
this big guy at CBS News, I forget his title

723
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,400
doesn't really matter, and he was was he laid off

724
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,039
or did he leave?

725
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:50,559
Speaker 2: I don't know.

726
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:52,039
Speaker 3: He left. He made a big show, but he's like,

727
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,039
I am leaving. I couldn't handle it here anymore.

728
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,679
Speaker 1: So he left, and nine days later he signed up

729
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,360
with some left wing digital media company.

730
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: What is it? Is it Midas Touched.

731
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: Or yeah, which is like an actual Democrat super pac

732
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:09,599
I think.

733
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: So that is the usual thing.

734
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: So when I worked at a newspaper and someone left

735
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,400
a newspaper, they usually went on to become like a

736
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,559
spokesman for some government agency, or a spokesman for some Democrat,

737
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:25,559
or a spokesman, or or working in some something like this,

738
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,800
some kind of pack or some kind of oppo research

739
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,440
firm or whatever. It was not always, but I'd say

740
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,519
ninety percent of the time. That's my experience. So we're

741
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,679
supposed to pretend, then the media is not biased when

742
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:42,280
a guy who is a CBS News Justice correspondent moves

743
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,920
over and goes to just a literal hard left political organization.

744
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:51,199
Speaker 3: I was in an uber at a meeting at the

745
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,920
White House. I'm ubering home and the uber driver is

746
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,519
listening to WTOP, a local radio station, and they go up.

747
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:04,320
We have Scott McFarlane, who has a new title, and

748
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,159
they're like, Scott normally meets with us at this time

749
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,760
to talk about such and such for CBS Radio, but

750
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,320
now he's at Midas Touch and we're so excited, and

751
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,480
I'm like, this is insane. They're treating it like it's

752
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,199
fine that this. I mean, ay, they never should have

753
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:26,280
had him on given his clear left wing bias, But

754
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,360
then it doesn't even matter when he goes to an

755
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,039
overt democrat organization. They're just still like treating it like

756
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,360
he's gonna share the news. And his reporting was done

757
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,039
in that way that like corporate media does it, where

758
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,599
they sound like they're actually delivering the news, but they're

759
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,280
omitting all of the relevant facts that would make it

760
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,039
actual news, and they're you know, they do it. They

761
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,079
do it in a really high level way that I

762
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,039
encourage my students who I teach a class on narrative

763
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:57,519
and propaganda and American journalism. I want them to see

764
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:59,199
what The New York Times is doing, because they do

765
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,280
it at a really high level. But he told the

766
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,039
story about the DHS shutdown without mentioning that democrats had

767
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:07,480
caused it.

768
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: I call it Potempkin journalism anyway. So lastly, I think

769
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,400
we should mention what's going on in Iran. It is

770
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,599
a war that I believe we are winning in dramatic fashion.

771
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,440
I think the latest news is that it's confusing. We

772
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,280
don't know what's going on, but it looks like there

773
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,599
may be some kind of negotiation going on about some

774
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,800
kind of deal, perhaps some kind of ceasefire. But at

775
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,719
the same time, Donald Trump is moving paratroopers and other

776
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:46,800
military components to the Gulf, so you never know. One

777
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,880
of the talking points I just wanted to quickly mention

778
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,840
is that there were like fifty reportedly fifteen points that

779
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,320
the Trump administration sent to the Iranian negotiators, supposedly that

780
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,599
needed to be met for peace. So the big talking

781
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:04,960
point from the left is we already had this with

782
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,960
the Obama deal. Look at all the stuff we had

783
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
with the Obama deal, and you just you've ripped it

784
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,360
up and that's why we're here now. But that is

785
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,960
a lie, And I just want to go through just

786
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,079
five points. The first is that the Obama deal it

787
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,400
allowed iron to continue uranium enrichment. It did not stop

788
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,679
them from doing that. The second, it did not ask

789
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,719
them or compel them to decommission any of their reactors,

790
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,559
not the reactor that's three hundred feet concrete and forced

791
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:36,559
under a granite mountain that supposedly is for you know,

792
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:43,119
civilian medicine, medicinal purposes. The Obama administration puts zero limits

793
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:48,480
on missile production or development, not even intercontinental ballistic missiles

794
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,440
that carrie nukes. There was no to verify anything because

795
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,400
there was no any time anywhere inspections allowed. Also, there

796
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,679
are no restrictions on funding terror proxies that were American

797
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,719
interest analysis. But more than anything, it was worse than

798
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:07,280
all of that because the Obama Deal gave the Iranians

799
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,159
a shield, so the Israelis could not attack them while

800
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:12,440
the deal was in place, and they could just get

801
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,320
to a point where they can do large scale enrichment

802
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,760
within months and have a weapon.

803
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: So like you, you could like the deal.

804
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: You could not. You could think that Trump doesn't have

805
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,440
a strategy. You could think that he's asking for things

806
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,519
that can't get. Whatever it is, but it is not

807
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,719
the Obama Deal thus far. Maybe it'll change. I can't

808
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,639
tell you what the future is. So anyway, I just

809
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:33,320
wanted to get that off my chest.

810
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:37,039
Speaker 3: So I have some thoughts. But before that, I have

811
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:41,239
a question, which is, do you see this moving to

812
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,239
ground invasion and what do you see that looking like?

813
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:50,039
Speaker 1: Or No, I don't see like a large scale ground invasion.

814
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: No, I could see.

815
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: Us all scale ground invasion.

816
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see. It's just a guess. I don't

817
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:57,800
know anyone. I don't know anything.

818
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: But my guess is that I could see the Americans

819
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:05,519
and the Israelis trying to procure the enriched uranium that

820
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:07,760
exists at a site they think it exists at that

821
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,800
they have not bombed at all. So to me, that

822
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,920
says that there's something there that they want to get

823
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,360
their hands on. So I could see something like that happening.

824
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,159
I could see them landing some troops to ensure that

825
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,960
boats can get through the Strait of Hormuz. Maybe maybe

826
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,239
he's just threatening them, maybe he's trying to scare them.

827
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:29,039
I don't know what's happening. I don't think we know

828
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:32,159
what's happening yet. It's going to be really interesting to

829
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,280
read the history of this to see.

830
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 2: What went on.

831
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: But I don't see any kind of like regime change,

832
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,360
ground invasion or anything like that.

833
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,119
Speaker 2: But I don't.

834
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: We just don't have the troops for that, and I

835
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,960
don't think there's the will for that, And I don't,

836
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,880
you know, certainly not among the population, which is obviously

837
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,239
not happy with this war, but in the administration either.

838
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,559
I just don't see that happening. Why do you feel

839
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:55,679
like that's a possibility.

840
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. I am sort of instinctually in such

841
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,360
a different place than most of my compatriots on this

842
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:11,119
that I'm continuing to just ask questions about what they're thinking.

843
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,760
So I read the story, I get confused between like

844
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,679
Wall Street Journal, Reuter's, Bloomberg. There's been a bunch of

845
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:22,280
different reporting, But there were a series of articles this

846
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,239
weekend that were kind of interesting about how Israel and

847
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,280
the US had talked about the war prior to it beginning,

848
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,280
and apparently there'd been Israeli intelligence suggesting that a big,

849
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,400
dramatic strike would lead to a regime change, you know,

850
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,000
a civil disruption and regime change, and that obviously did

851
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,679
not happen at all, and so there were beliefs that

852
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,679
this could be a pretty quick operation as a result

853
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,639
of that, and when that didn't happen, now it's like, okay, now,

854
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:03,079
what So the list of demands you mentioned that the

855
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:05,880
US sent to Iran was interesting, but so was the

856
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,320
list of demands that they sent back, which seemed either

857
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,760
untenable or indicative that maybe this war will go on

858
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,360
for a very long time. And and so I'm just,

859
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,639
you know, curious, what is that, like? What is the appetite?

860
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,679
Like we're told that one hundred percent of Trump supporters

861
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,119
and then one hundred percent of Iran war supporters support

862
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:33,559
the Iran war, or you know, one hundred percent of

863
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:35,280
people who always wanted to go to war with Iran

864
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,159
are supportive of Trump's war with Iran, and one hundred

865
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:45,239
percent of Trump supporters support Trump. So in that group,

866
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,880
what is the appetite? Is the appetite for a large

867
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,039
ground invasion in a lengthy war or is there a

868
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:57,199
tolerance of that? Or is there like not a tolerance

869
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,679
of that. You have a much better picture of that

870
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:00,000
than I.

871
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: Other than Lindsey Graham, I have never heard anyone ever

872
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,800
say that they wanted a large scale invasion. If someone

873
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,159
can provide me with people.

874
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,559
Speaker 3: Who have, do you want that not to happen?

875
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: I don't want that to happen.

876
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,599
Speaker 1: I can't speak for other people, but the people I know,

877
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,079
I just have never seen anyone say they want some

878
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:21,599
sort of large scalely rock style invasion. But I just

879
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:23,400
want to go back to another thing you said about

880
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,480
the regime change. That's not what I read, and I

881
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,719
could be wrong, but Israeli media said that the report

882
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,199
that Mosat I think gave Israel and Israel gave the

883
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,280
Americans was that regime change would probably not happen quickly.

884
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,119
That would probably take about a year, meaning first you

885
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,519
undermine the foundations of the regime, take out all their leadership,

886
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:48,000
all of that, and over time, what's going to happen

887
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:53,199
is they've been so weakened that they'll be a regime change,

888
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,960
but it won't happen overnight. I don't know if that's true,

889
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,559
but that's what I read. I think a low, high impact,

890
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,280
low casualty war like this, we've already won the war.

891
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,400
The war is over.

892
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: In the sense of any kind of military sense.

893
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,119
Speaker 3: It's a very trumpy thing that you just said.

894
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that mission accomplished sort of thing. But

895
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:19,079
the Iranians have we literally control the skies. We're just

896
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:23,320
can can meticulously take out whatever we want and do

897
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,079
whatever we want with them.

898
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:27,519
Speaker 2: What are they going to do now? They could be

899
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:29,199
as radical as they want they Yeah, I.

900
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: Agree with you on those things, but I also think

901
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,360
it's silly to say we have quote unquote won the war.

902
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,920
If so, there better be no people there right now,

903
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,480
and instead it's the opposite. More people are heading over.

904
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I hate to break the news too.

905
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,920
We won the war full surrender in Europe and people

906
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,840
were there for years and years and years after.

907
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: That's not that's not that's not what's happening here. When

908
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,519
you're deploying troops. That's different than you know, having people

909
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:55,119
in Germany.

910
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think that you asked me how long I

911
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,199
want the war to go on. I want it to

912
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:02,400
go on as long as as we finish the objectives

913
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,199
we were there for that were initially stated by the

914
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:11,000
White House, which was stop ending their new program once

915
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,039
and for all because we didn't do it last time,

916
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,559
stopping their ballistic missile program, and stopping them from funding

917
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:22,000
proxy armies, terror proxy armies around the world.

918
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:26,199
Speaker 3: And if that takes like seven, ten, twelve, twenty years, that's.

919
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:29,119
Speaker 1: Okay, right, I mean, no, it's not going to take

920
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,719
I don't even know what to say to that. We're

921
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,239
not going to have troops there for twenty years. We're

922
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,719
not going to be doing this for twenty years. Yeah,

923
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,000
I mean, if we have to go back ten years

924
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:37,840
from now, because they're rebuilding all these things and we

925
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,519
have to go back, there's no panacea here. This is

926
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,960
the enemy has to say. That's a cliche, but it's true,

927
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,280
and we can only do the best that we can do.

928
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,559
Speaker 3: That's what we're winning. Like, clearly we are dominant, like

929
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:55,000
there's no question about that. And we have exacted quite

930
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,599
a bit of damage, and so has Israel to the

931
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:04,079
country of Iran. It's also true that they have exacted

932
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:09,360
some damage to neighboring countries, to their refineries. There are

933
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:14,920
major disruptions to oil. They still have some sway over

934
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:22,079
the straits over moves, and that matters too. And you

935
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,760
don't need to be winning, You don't need to be

936
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,159
winning necessarily to still have quite a bit of say.

937
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,519
And so with gas being dramatically higher in the US

938
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,079
right now, and I think if it's short term, that's

939
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:41,079
no big deal, but as that goes on, not no

940
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:46,039
big deal. It's obviously not great, But as that goes

941
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:48,159
on that could cause some issues.

942
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: No, politically, yeah, I think when you think about oil,

943
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,079
I believe is under one hundred dollars a barrow today,

944
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:58,159
still way too high and higher than it was. But

945
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,639
the idea that you could have a war in the

946
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:03,400
Middle East with the Strait of Harmus partially closed and

947
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,280
still have a barrel of oil not be like one

948
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,960
fifty two hundred is kind of a miracle in a way.

949
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:09,840
I know people aren't going to look at it that way.

950
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,159
Iran is weakened in every way imaginable as far as

951
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,239
their military goes. But when people say we've won and

952
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:23,000
you know, militarily, I think they underplay that this is

953
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,960
perhaps the most successful military operation in modern history. Never

954
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:31,920
before has an entire tier of leadership and virtually every

955
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,880
leader of the country that we're fighting been taken out

956
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,360
within the first week of fighting. Basically a few stragglers

957
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:44,840
and their entire I mean, their ballistic capabilities are virtually

958
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,280
non existent. Now they're sending out drones, low tech stuff. Listen,

959
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:51,719
I agree with what there is a threat. People don't

960
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,159
like the war. Oil prices go up, gas prices go up.

961
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,239
That's going to be bad. But you know, I think

962
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:01,119
it's the right thing to do. So I don't know,

963
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,679
you know, I don't know what to say about that.

964
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,440
I hope that I wish that people were a little

965
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,800
more patient because this has been incredibly successful so united.

966
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:10,519
Speaker 3: I just want to say, I do have a little

967
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:11,800
bit of a pet peeve of like, this is the

968
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,199
most successful military operation in history or whatever. You can't

969
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,159
judge something like that. I mean, I agree that again

970
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,639
we have complete domination. We've had these really effective strikes.

971
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,519
You can't really know what the effect of something is

972
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,039
in the immediate moment. You need to think through what

973
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:36,000
are the what are the results down the road, And

974
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:41,639
I would like to not make immediate judgments when.

975
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:44,599
Speaker 1: I say that, I'm talking about the military operation. Okay,

976
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:49,440
the long term that's a different question. Iran has no

977
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:54,760
allies in the world, really. Maybe maybe Russia is helping them,

978
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:55,119
maybe not.

979
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

980
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,159
Speaker 3: The entire isuela.

981
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: Oh just kidding, right, just because we don't know what's

982
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,119
going to happen. And people mock Donald Rumsfeld's whole thing

983
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:08,440
about the knowns and unknowns and stuff. But I thought

984
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,280
it was actually quite an interesting quote, right, I mean,

985
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,800
it is actually quite smart. We don't know, and we

986
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,440
can't know, but that doesn't mean we don't act when

987
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,119
we have to act to defend our country. Yeah, I

988
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,119
think we did the right thing, and we'll see history

989
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:27,039
will tell. I don't pretend to know everything that's going

990
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,920
to happen, but I know that Iran is no longer

991
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,480
the danger to the United States or the Gulf nations.

992
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,079
Speaker 2: That it was the day before we struck.

993
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: So I have a reader or a listener email request

994
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:43,800
and it's nowhere near as easy as recommending procedural dramas.

995
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,880
But because Washington, DC tends to have a lot of

996
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,960
group think about this war, it is largely supportive, you know, Democrat, Republican.

997
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,000
But you're not getting like a ton of interesting commentary here.

998
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,000
I would love to hear from people, and really people

999
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:07,039
who support, you know, enthusiastically support the war. What you

1000
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:13,360
see as the timeline and what you're willing to have happen,

1001
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,199
what costs you're willing to go through to achieve the

1002
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:21,719
objectives that you want to achieve. So like what objectives

1003
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,119
you want to achieve, what you see the timeline as being,

1004
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:26,559
and like the range of what that timeline is and

1005
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:28,599
what costs you're willing to endure. I know it's like

1006
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,119
a heavy request, but if anyone has any thoughts, I

1007
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:33,760
would love to hear them. I love kind of I

1008
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,800
feel like I don't quite understand where everybody is on this,

1009
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,360
and I would like to understand better. So if anyone

1010
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,719
has any thoughts on it that are worth sharing, I

1011
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:43,639
would love to hear them.

1012
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,199
Speaker 1: Two quick things for me just before we go to

1013
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:49,199
culture is one, if we just so you know where

1014
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:51,360
I stand. If we left today, I still think it

1015
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,000
would have been success. So if everyone picked up all

1016
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:57,639
Trump picked up everyone and brought them home tomorrow, I

1017
01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:00,480
still think this mission was successful. I think it probably

1018
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:04,840
pushed you romback like a decade, and that would be

1019
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:05,360
good enough.

1020
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,719
Speaker 3: Goodbody, I'm right there with you.

1021
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:09,079
Speaker 1: I think we can do better, though. I think the

1022
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:12,000
nuke stuff we need something to deal with that. There's

1023
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,880
so much going on we don't know obviously.

1024
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1025
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:17,239
Speaker 1: The other thing is there is the group think. Have

1026
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,519
you listened to Chris Murphy lately? Have you listened to

1027
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,719
Chuck Schumer when he's talking about how Donald Trump purposely

1028
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,119
killed a bunch of girls, or Chris Murphy who says

1029
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:29,920
it's the worst thing that's ever happened to us. I mean,

1030
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,360
there's not group think on the Democrats side. They will

1031
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,559
never support anything Donald Trump does, and I think that

1032
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:40,800
their party is completely now resistant to anything that looks

1033
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,840
like it would help Israel or anything that looks like

1034
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,079
we would be in the Middle East or any of that.

1035
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: You don't think so.

1036
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:51,079
Speaker 3: I remember being on Fox New Sunday with Senator Mark Warner,

1037
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,960
Democrat from Virginia, and he did have criticisms of Trump

1038
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,840
on the war. He called it a war of choice

1039
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,320
and things like that, but he was also very supportive

1040
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,280
of the goals of the war effort, you know, taking

1041
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,599
it Ron's nuclear capabilities and the like. And I think

1042
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:14,599
that a lot of the people who are more responsible Democrats,

1043
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,639
you know, less just playing for politics, are treating this differently.

1044
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:22,960
But I'm not interested in what Chuck Schumer has to say.

1045
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:28,239
I'm interested in what a like normal American who supports

1046
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,119
Trump and thinks about foreign policy like. I'm more interested

1047
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:32,119
in what Yeah.

1048
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just because you said there was locks of

1049
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:39,360
in DC. I don't think that's exactly true, but I do.

1050
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:43,079
Speaker 3: It's a town that generally supports military. Well, I.

1051
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: Don't understand I like to ask people who I consider,

1052
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:49,920
you know, realists or even isolation is. You know, do

1053
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,880
you believe that we if you if Iran was on

1054
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,679
the cusp of getting a nuclear weapon, do we have

1055
01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:59,519
a responsibility to act or not? I mean, that's a

1056
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:02,679
question I want to know. And if we do, doesn't

1057
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:04,880
it make sense to act before it has a shield

1058
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,039
of immunity, before it has supersonic weapons, before it is

1059
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:12,719
really a danger a more dangerous situation to act or

1060
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,320
to let them get to that point. I believe most

1061
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,960
people who are on that end of things, not the

1062
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000
realist but the isolationists and people on the left want

1063
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:23,880
Iran to have a nuke. I think Ben Rhodes wants

1064
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,239
Iran to have a nuke. But if you really don't,

1065
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,159
I don't see why you would want to act now

1066
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:31,320
and you would want to act later. I don't really

1067
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,239
understand why when we know that the mulahs and the

1068
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:37,400
clerics and their radicals lie.

1069
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 2: And don't abide by any agreement.

1070
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:45,559
Speaker 1: Culture, it always seems like we go from the most

1071
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:47,559
serious thing to the culture we have to like plan

1072
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:49,920
better ratchet it down.

1073
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:53,679
Speaker 2: I have two things.

1074
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: One, I watch the Peaky Blinder movie the Immortal Man.

1075
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,920
I'm a huge fan of Peaky Blinders. I just love

1076
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,480
everything about it. Chilian or Cilly Murphy, however you pronounce it.

1077
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,239
Fantastic actor. Love him in that role, Like really looking

1078
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:18,440
forward to this movie. I watched it. It looks great,

1079
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:23,679
Like it's just all the visuals and the anachronistic rock

1080
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:29,039
music and everything's done perfectly, just produced, perfectly. Story super thin,

1081
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,280
super thin, barely held my interest. I don't know what

1082
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,760
the reviews have been, like. I see it as ninety

1083
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,119
three on Rotten Tomatoes. A little surprising to me because

1084
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,880
I felt it was a little thin, But maybe I

1085
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:43,760
need to rewatch it.

1086
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: Sorry, was that critics review or the people's review?

1087
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:55,119
Speaker 1: It right here has high critics high people ninety four,

1088
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:01,199
ninety three, So maybe it's just me. But I don't

1089
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:03,079
want to give away anything. But there's like only so

1090
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,840
many family members you can kill off before you're like,

1091
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,119
what is even happening here?

1092
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: Right?

1093
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: And you saw this in the theater?

1094
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: No, so I don't know.

1095
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,159
Speaker 1: I did go to the theater though, yeah, but and

1096
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:16,960
I went to see Project Hail Mary.

1097
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: Okay, I did too, Oh you did too?

1098
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1099
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:26,239
Speaker 1: I found it enjoyable, right, I think it's a nice blockbuster.

1100
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,320
It wasn't the story's nice that I think Ryan Gosling's

1101
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:34,280
very likable guy basically just plays himself. I guess these days,

1102
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,000
I have really no complaints about the movie. I'm a

1103
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,559
little bit I wouldn't get in trouble here. I want

1104
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,480
to push back a little bit some of the reviewers

1105
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:46,320
and some of the people calling it like one of

1106
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,079
the greatest movies ever made, Like, I just feel like

1107
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:51,400
it's a bit overdone, right. I mean, it's a very

1108
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:56,360
simple story, it's heartfelt. It's like a really good reminds

1109
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,599
me of a really good nineteen eighties or you know,

1110
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:01,360
blockbuster that you'd go with the family to see. Even

1111
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,039
though that's another part everyone's like, yeah, I take my family.

1112
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,559
Even the first scene is kind of I mean I

1113
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:08,320
have a little kids or anything, but that first scene

1114
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:14,039
is a little scary, right with the dead people. No,

1115
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:18,079
doesn't he first uncover the dead his the dead people.

1116
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,679
Speaker 2: In the ship? Oh, he look on zippers them and

1117
01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:23,199
they're dead.

1118
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 3: Spoiler alert there.

1119
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have said that, but well, what do

1120
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:27,880
you think.

1121
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:32,039
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. I enjoyed it. I thought it

1122
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,719
was actually not just good, but like pretty you know,

1123
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,840
like good good but pretty good. When people are like

1124
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:41,159
that was amazing, I'm like, hmm, or when they're like

1125
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:44,760
the meaning was so rich. I'm like, I get that.

1126
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,280
And also I agree, even on the Ryan Gospeling thing.

1127
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,119
I genuinely like him, although I get all the Ryan's

1128
01:06:53,239 --> 01:07:00,960
confused sometimes the white young men, but but I thought

1129
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:05,239
he was a little too goofy to play an amazing scientist.

1130
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,559
Speaker 1: The book apparently is a lot more science in it.

1131
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,639
I wrote The Martian, which it is a movie. I

1132
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:13,320
also liked, people are going to be Mad, but for me,

1133
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,400
The Martian was more enjoyable to watch in this.

1134
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 3: It's also about one of my children also preferred The

1135
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:25,519
Martian to this. I've not seen The Martian, but I yeah,

1136
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:28,519
I don't know. I liked it. I would recommend it.

1137
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:29,840
I would say it's a good movie to go see.

1138
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,079
And I also was so happy relative to our previous

1139
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:36,880
conversation about Hollywood not trying to make any movies for people,

1140
01:07:37,239 --> 01:07:39,559
this was a movie for people. This was a movie

1141
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:45,840
that is broadly enjoyable across age groups, and you know,

1142
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,679
different types of people, and there are some deeper themes.

1143
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:51,119
I didn't find him to be like the deepest imaginable.

1144
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:57,400
After I saw Interstellar and wept, you know throughout, I

1145
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,159
wanted to see it again almost immediately, and I bought that,

1146
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:04,000
you know about like a hard copy of it. I

1147
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:05,800
did not feel that way about this one, but I

1148
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,239
did like it a lot. So I don't want to

1149
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,159
in any way disparage it because I would. I would

1150
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:11,800
say people should go see it, definitely.

1151
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 2: It's just a fun It's a good experience.

1152
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 3: Oh in that it was like high quality.

1153
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well made.

1154
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,159
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give anything away here, though I

1155
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:28,880
did find the last few scenes so too goofy maybe yeah,

1156
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,039
kind of under my I would have liked for it

1157
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:35,039
to Sometimes people don't like this. In European movies have

1158
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:39,600
this sort of theme more often, or structure more often.

1159
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,119
But do we really need to see everything resolved in

1160
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:45,000
the movie? Can't it just be we don't know and

1161
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:46,439
we leave a little bit to the imagination.

1162
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,359
Speaker 3: It was a little bit unknown at the end, like

1163
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,560
you don't know exactly what the future holds for the

1164
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,319
individual in question. I do also, I also had a

1165
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,640
little bit of struggle with the lack of human exceptionalism.

1166
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,319
I am a human eccepstionalist, you know, and know the

1167
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,479
same way that I'm an American exceptionalist, like we are better,

1168
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,079
we're different, we're you know, not in the same way.

1169
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:10,520
I should say that denigrated my actual belief in human exceptionalism,

1170
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:14,439
and so I struggled a little bit with parts of that.

1171
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,239
But in terms of the messages of sacrifice and sacrificing

1172
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:20,720
for other people, I did really like those, and it's

1173
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:24,560
very different from the message Hollywood is normally sending. And

1174
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,079
also talking myself back into it, being like, yes, super good.

1175
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: And also that sometimes you were because of events that

1176
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,479
are beyond your control, you're thrust into roles and then

1177
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,159
you can still be something of a hero, right, you

1178
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:43,960
can still be selfless, even though that wasn't your original intent.

1179
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:44,279
Speaker 2: Right.

1180
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: I think that that's a good message as well. I

1181
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,000
liked everything was great about it.

1182
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's one of the great movies

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of all time.

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Speaker 1: That's all the only other movie I can think of

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that had a similar experience that I think was for everyone.

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Speaker 2: It was just fun and it was just popcorn. Was

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the mission, not the mission the top gun equality.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not great works of art, but fun and f.

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Speaker 3: One would be like a minor version of that. Okay,

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there's one other thing I want to say about the

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about Project tail Mary, which hopefully we'll do very well

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at the box office and everything. One of the themes is

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that you know, an individual is a cow that this

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one particular individual is a coward, and yet is thrust

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into needing not to be. But I didn't find that

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really believable because the backstory for that person involved him

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not being a coward, you know, standing up for his

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beliefs even when there was great personal cost, and so

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it just didn't and also, you know, there's a physical

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strength about him, and it just I just didn't ever

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buy that he was.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: They could have probably been a better way to have them,

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you know, to have that happen where he ended up

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on the ship.

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Speaker 3: But the music was really well done too. It was

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like all these bands that are well known, but their

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song that they chose songs that are not the most

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well known of that band. Yeah, Okay, on that note,

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did you have a trailer for your before your movie

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Brendan Fraser Meteorologist film before Well, okay, so Brendan Fraser

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is in a World War two movie that seems to

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be built. Oh it is like that great guy who

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plays Moriorty in the Sherlock Holmes.

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Speaker 2: Who's that guy? I will get that answer to in

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a minute.

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Speaker 3: Okay. And it's about but I'm calling it the Meteorologist

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movie because it seemed like it was sort of about

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the guy who was discussing the weather before the Normandy invasion.

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But it looked great, and after it was done, I

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turned to market I was like, I want to see that,

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and he said, I'm a nearly fifty year old man,

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and it's a movie about World War Two. Yes, I

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will be seeing that.

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Speaker 1: It's like when I tell people I've seen every movie

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about the Roman Empire, or like, I don't care how

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bad it is, how stupid it looks.

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Speaker 2: It's called pressure. I think, is that what you're talking about?

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Maybe he plays Dwight d. Eisenhower. Now, is that it? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 3: And then also there was a preview for The Sheep Detective, which.

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Speaker 2: She's seen that preview trailer.

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Speaker 3: And also I want to see that. Although one of

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my kids told me that Hugh Jackman, who's in that movie,

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who is the Sheep Herder? Is a murder mystery he's murdered,

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and the sheep figure out the murder based on how

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he'd always read murder mysteries to them. I wish she's

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like detectives, fabulous conceit. But she told me that he

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left his wife, like his longtime, decades long wife for

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Saren Foster. And I had seen Hugh Jackman and Saren

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Foster on Broadway in the same production, and I realized

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I had seen.

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Speaker 2: Seen their marriage falling apart. Yeah, yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about celebrities, but I was actually disappointed

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when I heard that, because he was one of these

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guys very attracted. Man, I take it. Who was married

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to his you know, for a long time, to the

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same woman, an age appropriate marriage, and then.

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Speaker 2: That was it?

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Speaker 3: Oh Sutton Foster is her name? Sorry, Yeah, I saw

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them in the music man and you say age appropriate,

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but I kind of feel like maybe she was his

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first wife, was very not very but like older than him.

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I'm older than my husband, so I'm not begrudging this.

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Speaker 1: But we have the same situation here. Some of us

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needed a bigger challenge.

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Speaker 2: I am. I had my anniversary a few days ago.

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We're married twenty seven years.

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Speaker 3: Congratulation thank you wonderful. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's all right.

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Speaker 1: We If you're interested in hearing me more, you can

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come hear me speak at the Glenn Allencultural Arts Center.

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I guess that's near Richmond. I'd be speaking about guns,

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fortunate freedom, and history of American guns, and that's on

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April first. If you'd like to reach the show, you

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can do so at.

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Speaker 2: Radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you, and we will be

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back next week and tell them be lovers of freedom

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and anxious for the fray

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Speaker 2: The go walk in the pitches and go across the

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trap