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Speaker 1: Mm hm. Welcome to another episode of Our Interesting Time.

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Is my pleasure to have Jay Dyer back on the show. Jay,

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how you.

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Speaker 2: Doing doing great? How are you great?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back on the show. Now. Of course,

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you are the host of Jay's Analysis jays Analysis dot com.

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You're also the author of Esoteric Hollywood, Hollywood Sex Calls

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and Symbols and Film and Uh, well, what you cover

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in that book I think is relevant tonight. But when

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I wanted to talk about tonight, you've done a number

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of interviews and also some talks analyzing the career and

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works of Zebnubrazinski, who passed away uh last spring. Uh,

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And I want to discuss his role in promoting technocracy

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as well as technocracies subsequent implementation through you know, the government,

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government policies, government agencies, the corporations NGOs, and of course entertainment,

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you know, like Hollywood or even the Disney coortd operation.

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And maybe we'll discuss a little of the history of

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technocracy itself, of why he was developed in the nineteen thirties.

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But anyway, Zibya Brazinski, you've done a few talks on

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him his books, and let's talk about Brazinsky was what

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was he all about?

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Speaker 2: Well, he was, of course, as I mentioned, a refugee,

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I guess you could say, not in the sense of

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refugees flooding Europe, but refugee fleeing Europe from the Soviet era.

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And his parents were reported at least to be of

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noble descent from Poland. And so Rashensky leaving Poland under

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Soviet actation and then going to Canada, I think is

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what kind of well most people agree that propelled his

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anti Russian fervor, so Brazenski almost I think a natural

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so Brezenski was, of of course fleeing Soviet occupation, and

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he therefore made a great recruit into the brain trust

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of the Anglo American establishment, and it was McGill University, which,

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interestingly I never heard anybody else make a connection to

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MK ultra. And I don't know that there's any direct

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work that Brazenski did in New Culture, but it's interesting

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that he was at one of those central schools for

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the MK ulture programs, McGill University, and it's there that

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he would I think be eyed by different people a

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potential recruit for CFR type work. And so when he

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wrote the between Two Ages, which is the book that

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kind of predicts a lot of where we'd go in

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the electronic age, the technocratic age that was in nineteen

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seventy it's really this that caught the eye of David Rockefeller.

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And that's what many books on Brazenski will discuss, is that,

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you know, that's why he was fingered for this role.

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And David reportedly called Henry Kissinger and said, I've got

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somebody for this new role that we need to start,

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or it is either Henry called David or David called Henry,

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one of the two, and they decided that's a big

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would be perfect for the first Chairman of the Trilateral

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Commission in nineteen seventy three. So it was there that

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he began, I think, to really do the deep state work.

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I mean, I'm sure prior to that. And he does

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actually cite Samuel Huntington and people like that. So Brezenski

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is in that school of Bernard Lewis and Samuel Huntington.

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That's people that he learned from, and of course adopted

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the Heartland theory and studied Halfred mckinder and all that.

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And I won't rehearse that. I'm sure your audience is

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familiar with it, but so he takes that approach certainly

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to geopolitics. But what's unique about Brezenski are three or

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four things and interesting. I had a pretty heated debate

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with Kevin Cole over this, but I think I'm pretty

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correct in stating that it's really Brazenski that pioneers the

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electronic and smart application of these technologies of regime change,

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and so that's what's I think the big Well, actually,

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you could argue there are quite a few things in

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between two ages that are future oriented and presage a

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lot of what we're seeing nowadays. So everybody talks about

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the weather weapons stuff that's in the footnotes in certain

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sections of the book.

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Speaker 3: But he also saw all kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: Like online education that people would be taking their classes online,

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that you could back basically re engineer society through the internet.

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So a lot of people will talk about technocracy and

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forget that the internet is what he's talking about when

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he's talking about technocracy. That's that's probably one of the

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biggest examples of technocracy that you could think of. So

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Brazenski four saw the important role that the internet would

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take in everyone's lives you know, all the way back

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Speaker 3: And as I said, that's why I think.

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Speaker 2: David Rockefeller saw him as somebody who was very important

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and crucial for these deep state roles. And of course

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Jimmy Carter, and it's in that role that he implemented

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these other kinds of technologies that I was talking about

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related to the newer models of regime change. So instead

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of those older CIA models of you know, assassinating Mosadic

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coup against Mosad, excuse me. You know, that model was

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replaced eventually from the fifties into the.

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Speaker 3: More soft power approach.

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Speaker 2: Now, granted, soft power certainly goes back to the old

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imperial models of the ancient world. But what Brazenski was

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so useful at was integrating these models into the usage

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of technology. And that's what he I think you could

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safely say he's a pioneer of. And so back in

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the seventies he talked about the need for an arc

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of crisis that would stretch, if I recall from the Balkans,

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the Caucasus to Middle East, to Southeast Asia even Yeah,

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there's a great long article by Andrew Gavin Marshall at

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Global Research that does a really lengthy discussion of what

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appeared to be examples of Zensky's arc of crises, you know,

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all the way basically bombings, all the way back into

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the seventies, you know, all the way up to the

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Mumbai bombings, the Bali bombings and so forth, London bombings,

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and how a lot of this really fits with this

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model that we're talking about from Brazenski. And if one

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reads the excellent articles that Venesza Bili and Patrick Henningson

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have done on smart power soft power, and you understand

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Bresinski's works and you understand, you know, the examples of

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stuff like him co creating with Hamid Ghoul and Robert

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Gates the Musja Haden or Slash al Qaeda freedom fighters

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in nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine, then you understand basically

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the whole model of what you see in the world today.

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So Brezenski, I think is the key. And he's a little,

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you could argue even a little more relevant than Carol.

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He's a kind of Carol Quiggly, but without all the

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fun because he's crazy. He's Carol Quickly meets bertrand Russell

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with no nonsense, just straight to the point. Here's how

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we're going to get the technocracy, you know. And certainly

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towards the middle of Tragy and Hope, Quigly has a

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couple really fat chapters that deal with, you know, the

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implementation of technocracy and the AI computers and the military

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industrial complex and the managerial society that's coming. But Razensky,

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I think, is not just a you know, Quickly his

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history writer archivist. He's an implementer. And that's the big

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key here is that Brazenski is a point man for

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not just writing about this, but also implementing these new

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technologies that will utilize the latest in tech to achieve destabilization,

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archive crisis, regime change, et cetera, et cetera, to really

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destabilize all of the post World War two Soviet uh

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what it eventually functions to do is to destabilize the

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Soviet satellites. And so this once the Soviet Empire collapses,

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that was largely, as I said, a result of this

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arc of crisis technology model that Brazhensky had had really

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dreampt up and That's why he was so useful to

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the oligarchs. And so in many ways, as I said,

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for Praxis, he was He's more more relevant than even

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a quickly you could argue quickly will tell you more

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about the bankers and history, but Brazensky's going to tell

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you more about you know, how to understand what you

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see on CNN, you know, when you see the news

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talking about, you know, a coup here and a destabilization there.

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Once you really nail down Brazensky, you can understand what

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you're watching. So that, I think is what sums up Brazensky.

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And of course there's other peripheral addendum material that we

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can talk about with Grand Chess Board and how it

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kind of predicts nine to eleven in subtle ways, it

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predicts the Ukraine crisis, you know, back in nineteen ninety eight,

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seven ninety seven, when you wrote the book that we

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saw in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: So that's what you're looking at.

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Speaker 2: You're looking at a major geopolitical thinker, of the caliber

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of a player, you know, of the caliber of a kissinger,

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you know, who's really putting into practice the ideology. So

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he's not just a brains he's also you know, he

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also flies over there in the famous CBS clip you

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know that land that is yours, God is with you,

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you take it back, as he tells the freedom fighters

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in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: The uh he's uh, he's sort of quickly he's Carol.

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He's Carol Cooley without the Irish charm.

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Speaker 2: That's a good way. But that's better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But but with with the with all the bertrand Russell. Yeah, yeah,

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you know, bare bones, atheistic, pragmatic.

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Speaker 1: Just there's no sentimentalism with him, you know.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Uh I discussed uh Braziski with uh with recently and

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uh with Joe uh at well hm and he just

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we just were talking about how it figures like Brazinski

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and uh Henry Kiss they're both foreign, right, and that

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these these distinct accents that they never seem to be

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able to shed despite years of living living in North America.

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a function of their role in sort of intimidating and Americans,

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you know, with their PhDs and their uh you know,

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their positions in academia, that they're the ones with the education,

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the knowledge and the wisdom to sort of control plan

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the world, or at least play their part and planning

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the world. And I always thought it was fun both

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him and him and Kissinger, who were these two huge

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figures in the late twentieth century. And uh in I guess,

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uh strategizing for the Atlantis powers, both of them. You know,

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at these German Germanic accents, Prussian and almost Prussian and

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all age Polish becomes the air of the world where

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you know, there's real ethnically, ethnically is not much different,

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you know, European and how just example, once can how

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America has been conquered by Europeans.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's an interesting point. I've never thought about that,

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kind of took it at face value, but yeah, they

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could have you know, they could have been menacing in

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their affectation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like it was always that was overdone.

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thing is to what extent, I know he's a described

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as sort of a go for a lieutenant for the

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elite but in and playing such a large role in

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devising strategy for the Atlantist powers, for the elite powers

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that are really behind these nation states that are play

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things for the globalist. I mean, if you enjoy as

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much influence as a Kissinger or Brazinski, let's ask you this,

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to what extent can they manipulate things themselves because they

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they're whispering into the ear of the emperor. And of

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course historically we know that often those people, the gray eminence,

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the people whispering in the ears of those who are

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who make that, who make the decisions, might be able

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to manipulate things for their own agenda. An example, how

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well the Cold War might have been for the UH wage,

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for the UH, for the UH interest that that were

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behind the Atlantis powers the Anglo American Empire. At the

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same time, his Polish background probably played a big part

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in his Rusophobia and his I was he pushing his

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own agenda here too?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm sure that does come into play,

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because as I understand, he was pretty successful in a

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monetary sense. Obviously, I don't know how wealthy Brezenski was,

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but you know, he's got a fairly prominent daughter who

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has the TV show with Joe Scarbo that Trump calls

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quite a ruckus with this week. If you saw that

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tweet talking about her face lift, that was But but yeah,

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due to that, you know, fleeing Soviet occupation, as we're

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told that there was personal motivation and vengeance involved, perhaps, but.

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Speaker 3: You know, he that all the all the better for

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that really fits into the twentieth century strategy

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the twenties, the two World Wars basically being about the

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weakening of Russia, uh and Germany so.

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a general war and when France and Britain declared war

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on on Hitler over his you know, invasion of Poland, which.

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the Polish Corridor.

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Poland get crushed between Russia and Germany. So yeah, so

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again that's another example again then this utilizing that Russian

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that Polish nationalism that you know that that had been

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I guess crushed for almost two hundred years between you know,

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Germany and Russia. Then it became a reason for sparking

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the World War in the mid twentieth century, early twentieth century.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, what I found so interesting about his writings

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was the a lot of stuff that you wouldn't expect

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in there. You wouldn't expect there to be no I mean,

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it's kind of been floating around conspiracy circles and sights

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for a long time. But I don't think that that

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most people would think about weather warfare and electromagnetic frequency

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warfare as something realistic. Yet it's in the nineteen seventy

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book by Brazinski, So he was talking about this stuff

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a long time ago in all kinds of other things

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to I mean, he he even kind of starts out

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talking about, as I mentioned in my talk, the the

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usefulness of cosmopolitan areas and how this really breaks down

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people's attachment to the land, to agriculture, that you there's

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a there's a big shift that happens in cultures when

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they go through the process of you know, industrialization and

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then modernization and so forth, and how that this impacts

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the social order, and you know, he sees that model

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as key to understanding basically what what we've seen in

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history happen to certain regions or nations right quote, First

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from agricultural societies to industrial to modern slash technological societies.

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He sees those as microcosm models for the whole of

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the world. And this is why they're globalist. Globalist is

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how they think that the same model is going to

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happen in one of the cheap ways that you're going

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to do that. It was with the net. The net

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will make things global and that will move everyone into

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this high mind. And that's why he's a technocrat. That's

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the that's the central role here of all of this,

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and the Internet is the Internet is technocracy. And I

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mentioned that not to be luddite or to be overly

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negative or fear porn oriented, but I mean, we just

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have to understand that that's that's a fact, and that's

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what Brezenski is talking about.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Because as you get removed from from the soil,

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further remove off from nature, you get further removed from

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the laws that bind nature, and you forget that there's

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laws still bind you, and you're well, that's how you

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get to you know, transgenderism in these things, right because uh,

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you probably saw the movie Her With Yet and how

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you know, you notice the cold, the surroundings, the urban surroundings,

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the apartment, and think's cold exactly.

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's a great point.

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Speaker 2: The aesthetic of the film really betrays the emptiness. And

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that's that's really the point of that films. That's you know,

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he's surrounded by human beings who you know, the kind

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of one to one connection and love that he's looking for,

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you know, is ironically the Amy Adams character that the

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girl is sitting there next to the whole time and

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he's fixated on this stupid computer program. But but yeah,

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that's that's a great example of you know, what Brazienski's

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predicting here and what he would like to see implemented.

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And when you there's a lot of other interesting interviews

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that I came across to John Adams dug at one

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from I think the nineties from the New York Times

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or something like that. But in that interview, he it's

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a linked with Brazienski. He goes into thinks like consumerism

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and americanism, and that's also very revealing because there, he's

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it's more modern. You know, it's twenty five years after

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between two eight, and he's saying, look, we're at the

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point now where America is basically the battering ram to

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break down all ideologies across the globe.

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Speaker 3: And that's something I've been arguing for a long time.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people take issue with that, and

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they have a very you know, they feel that I'm

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being unpatriotic or being mean or something like that, when

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all I'm telling you is that that Americanism can be

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used as a tool to destroy other countries and other traditions,

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not for something better, but for the purpose of the globalists.

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And Brazinski says that.

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Speaker 3: He explicitly says that in that interview.

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Speaker 2: He says, now, obviously he doesn't give a shit about America,

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he has no concern about but he basically says it's

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a costume that can be worn to spread hope in

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the sense of quote American democracy, which he moraliss says

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is just oligarchical rule. He knows that there's no such

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thing as actual democracy, and so, you know, he explodes

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the mythology that it's it's it's not true, it's American

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patriotism is basically dead.

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Speaker 3: It's been dead for a long time.

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Speaker 2: And so to be you know, mindlessly pro American if

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so many people are and you know, supports the troops

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and all this kind of stuff, it's really just serving

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the oligarchical agenda. And Prazenski is a prime oligarch to

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show that, you know, he has no qualms about just

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saying flat out it's kind of like, I don't remember

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if it was you or or somebody was doing a

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show an interview and they were talking about I think

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it was Alan Watt was doing a discussion about Prince

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Philip and that they don't really like to give him

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interviews often because he just oftentimes he'll just stay straight

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out what they want to do, like, but of course

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I want to see full billion people dead, don't you

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don't you want to see it wasn't dead, the Hillman's cancer.

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So they don't give him that interview because you know,

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he's a little too blunt. In many ways, Marzenski is

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pretty blunt too. He just flat out says that consumerism

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and Americanism are the means by which you can destroy religion,

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and that's really kind of a thesis of between two

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ages is that the three things that are there are

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ideology is dead, religion is dead, Nation states dead, and

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Marxism now is dead. So all of those are you know,

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kind of come and gone. There goes to the past,

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and we can move into the technocratic age. So hence

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between two ages, that's the new transition period that we're

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going into, is what he's talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about the Chris the exportation of Americanism

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and consumerism, materialism abroad. But one thing it does not

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result in the material abundance the rest of the world.

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That's just the uh it really it relies on impoverishing

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the world through the uh you know, the economic Hitman model,

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the oh the World Bank, uh you know, the International

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Monetary Fund, these things. I think all these things that

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the bridisci said were great in bringing about this globalization.

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But before that was uh successfully done, it was of

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course it had to be applied domestically here in the

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United States, and here in that States you had, through wars,

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the economic crises and then prosperity, the destruction of any

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ethnic consciousness or identity here among the particularly among the

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white the white majority. In fact, you know, the bland

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white majority is sort of a just sort of a

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denature derastinated, uh, conglomeration of the former ethnic groups. You know,

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we see little bits of it, little Italy here, there's

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Saint Patrick's Day, Sat Past Jay Parade, even that's been corrupted.

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But the breakup, ironically, of of these urban neighborhoods into

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suburbia through various social engineering schemes, whether it's the construction

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of the Interstate highway system or the creation of the

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you know, of the thirty year mortgage courtesy the federal government,

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these things. And this, of course, this coincides with the

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postwar boom, the Second World War, and this explosion and

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consumption and this this is where you see the sort

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of this breakdown of any the ethnic or religious identity

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among various ethnic groups. They became white Americans, but the

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only thing they could really identify with each other would

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be their consumption habits, whether it's the music Elvis Presley

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or the Beatles, or you know, the hula hoop jeans,

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you know, the T shirt, these things. And so once again,

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once they lose any ethnic identity, uh, they can easily

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be manipulated through consumerism, which is what he's talking about here.

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And this becomes the good life. Of course. Uh that's

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promoted through uh uh mass communication, through time life, uh,

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you know, through the Disney corporation. Sports is a big

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thing because sports is now sort of a substitute for

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maybe uh tribal or regional uh patriotisms that might have existed,

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you know, uh so now but that's but that's all

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part of the corporate monstrosity because through sports you can

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promote all types of social you know, agendas or engineering

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schemes we're seeing with the NFL and the NBA, or transgenderism,

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you know these things. So here in the again, I'm

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saying it had to had to be done here first,

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we had to be first to be conquered here in

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the United States, for for is exported.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brazenski was very, i think conscious of that

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because he wore the cloak of liberal many many years,

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you know, being in the cart administration and being in

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the Obama administration. But he also served on various Bush

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task forces. So there's another character that you know, transcends

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the phony left right dialectic. You can see it pretty clearly.

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But Brezenski definitely understood with his liberal egalitarian face that

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he wore. You would get the impression that he believed

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in equalitarianism and so forth, and he would often speak

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you know, of Martin Luther King or these platitudes. But

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at the same time you have the cold calculated technocrat

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who was very explicit about depopulation, very explicit about carbon

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taxes and Agena twenty one. So Brazenski was obviously on

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board with all that. So we we know from that

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that his supposed humanitarian a model or a cloak that

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he wore was a was Bologney that was part of

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the guys that you wear, you know, to be part

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of the Democrat establishment, and the same goes for the

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Republican establishment as well. So I mean he's he's picked

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out by the Rockefellers, right, these are the GP, right,

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the GOP. You're picking out the so called Democrats to

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run these big steering committees, and hence Brazenski's membership, you know,

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in Builderberg and various Bilderberg steering committees, and you know,

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being even chosen for slicing up Serbia with Wesley Clark

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and Kissinger on the International Crisis Group, which I've talked

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about many times.

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Speaker 3: So Brazenski is not at all.

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Speaker 2: A patriot to any group. And so you know, he's

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definitely at that level of people who believe that they

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don't have any ethnic ties, they don't have any anything

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that binds them to any communities. And in fact, Brezenski, even

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in between two ages, early on discusses the possibility of

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different organizations that could be used for mobilizing globalism, and

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he discusses the Catholic Church because it's one of the

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few global organizations. So Brazinski, again, you know, sees these

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entities not as something real or as bearers of tradition,

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but just as tools to be moved on the grand

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chessboard chess pieces. So the Roman Catholic Church is to Braziski,

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you know, one the queen piece maybe, and then you

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have you know, al Qaeda is upon piece. You know,

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it's like the NGOs or rook piece. That's how he

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views all of this, and race and culture, all of

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that is just another chess piece, another tool for manipulation

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that has nothing to do with any sort of metaphysical

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verities or universal truths. It's just simply about cold heart pragmatism.

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And that's the essence of technocracy. That it's pragmatic.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that's important to point out is when

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you talk about members of the International Crisis Group, that

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these elder statesmen aren't interested in solving problems in stabilizing

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the world. They believe in stabilizing the world to destabilizing

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the world, sort of like burning the village in order

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to save it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he says, he says, if America didn't

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do what it did, we would have anarchy. Well, so

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in other words, America has to cause anarchy or else

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we'll fall into anarchy. But of course he's saying, you

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know that the American world order, the packs Americana, he says,

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basically keeps the whole globe in check and.

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Speaker 3: Chaos and so forth so on.

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Speaker 2: But but there's also, you know, other interesting aspects to

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Brazenski that you might not respect, like his support for

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the John Meersheimer book about Apak. He I think both.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like.

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Speaker 2: Soros.

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Speaker 3: Was kind of like Soros.

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Speaker 2: He would you know, at times, draw the ire of

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certain factions like the Israelis because you know, Brazenski doesn't

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care for nationalism. Uh, you know, he thinks that's dead

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and gone, so in his mind, as a technocrat. You

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know that that I don't think he has any special

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care or concern for the Israeli state. So I think

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00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,680
you could argue that maybe he represents that kind of

471
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,480
U n type faction. You know, Brezenski would be much

472
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:56,119
more favorable towards a United Nations type of model for

473
00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:02,079
global government than he would necessarily the warhawk Bush neocon approach.

474
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,359
So he's maybe not necessarily one hundred percent you know,

475
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,359
on board with the neo cons although Golden Fitzgerald argued

476
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,559
that he actually is just a straight up neocon, So

477
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:13,359
I don't. I don't know they you know, they have

478
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,359
a lot more time put into this than I have.

479
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:21,480
But but regardless, you know, there can be I guess

480
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,079
at times, as we've said, disagreements about different approaches, but

481
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:28,119
it doesn't matter because the end goal is still the same.

482
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:33,200
I just I think Brazenski views America and Americanism as.

483
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,079
Speaker 3: A cloak that can be shed once.

484
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,279
Speaker 2: Once the world is ripe for a total technocratic globalism.

485
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:43,839
And in fact, when Brazienski critique Bush, that was his

486
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,480
main critique was that after nine to eleven, he didn't

487
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:50,079
sufficiently use it for globalism. He used it for too

488
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,200
much Americanism, too much patriotism. Yeah, not real but.

489
00:30:55,559 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then that's his criticism with it. This inspired opposition, Yes,

490
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,640
created opposition with China and Russia, and it was their

491
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:10,960
crude methods by going about this, which uh, messed up

492
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,119
the plan so to speak. M yeah, right, as opposed

493
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,279
to soft power, which is you don't talk about going

494
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,160
in and conquering, invading, You talk about human rights and

495
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,880
you know, responsibly, responsibilities to protect and things like that,

496
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,559
as opposed to going in invading a country and imposing

497
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,880
a government with you know, with hundreds of thousands of

498
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,759
uish troops these things. Uh.

499
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: But now, and that was that that's his model. I mean,

500
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,599
he wants to use his model. You know, he's the

501
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,279
father of that. In terms of implementing the technology, I

502
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,920
realized that again, Empires have used soft power the time,

503
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,640
but Razinski is the real mover and shaker in terms

504
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:03,119
of utising technology and what would eventually be the you know,

505
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,279
the hashtag type stuff. Yeah. Yeah, all of that being

506
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,319
all of it being collated together. I think you can

507
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,519
really point to Brazenski as a father. Now, there was

508
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:17,799
other figures right after Brazenski Joseph what's his name? That

509
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:21,319
that's the sort of the Harvard father of the of

510
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,359
this approach to regime change. There's another guy who's kind

511
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:30,680
of also credited with being the coining the term soft power,

512
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,400
Joseph I forget his name, but he's one of these

513
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Harvard international business type guys.

514
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,319
Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter.

515
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:43,079
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really he's just coining a term that

516
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:49,440
was already the model for doing this in between two ages,

517
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,440
that lays out the strategy of using all the technologies.

518
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: And you've mentioned, of course Gene Sharp, this oh yeah,

519
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,400
harmless academic up there in Boston.

520
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,319
Speaker 2: Non violent regime change.

521
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess this is the invoking democracy and

522
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:13,279
human rights to go in and disrupt foreign governments, foreign

523
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:18,880
cultures and sort of incorporated it into the atlantisis fold.

524
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah. I wish I could remember that. It's

525
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,079
I think it's even cold. You know, it's the Harvard model,

526
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,480
the Harvard of Joseph somebody was one of the professors

527
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,920
at Harvard a thing. But but yeah, I mean that

528
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,440
they had this down to a science, and that's why

529
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,880
they don't really like that, you know, that approach of

530
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,960
you know it was Raytheon and Boeing, and then the

531
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,480
guys who necessarily who might want to just sell tanks

532
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,079
and weapons, you know, they would rather you know, use

533
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:59,079
their NGOs than the latest anti molistic missiles or something

534
00:33:59,119 --> 00:33:59,319
like that.

535
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:03,119
Speaker 1: Because uh, but that an evasion like that expends a

536
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,799
lot of weaponry they had to replace. So there's always

537
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:08,920
pressure to go go in, go in, you know, with

538
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,519
the guns of blazing, because that destroys a lot of

539
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:14,119
things you have to be rebuilt and replace.

540
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: And it was Brazensky.

541
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if Brazenski personally profited off of it,

542
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,880
but I wouldn't be surprised, but it was. It was

543
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,000
Wesley Clark and you've mentioned that, but it was Wesley

544
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:27,239
Clark and others who had interest in the mineral are

545
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,880
of the of Serbia and certain minds there, and that

546
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,440
was a big part of the proclamations of oh, you know,

547
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,280
slovanam Melosavich is this evil dictator and you know, we

548
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,320
got to get rid of him, and uh, oh, what

549
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,519
do you know, There's all this these environmental problems that

550
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:48,119
we got to solve. But all of that was just

551
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,440
a cloak for basically these people divvying up that country.

552
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,079
And I think some people have pointed to Madeline Albright

553
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:55,840
getting a chunk of that too or something.

554
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: She has a big piece. I think its telecommunication with

555
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,039
the Melton all right, right, and Wesley Clark, it's the

556
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:03,239
mineral rights or something.

557
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,599
Speaker 2: And of course the involved in that strategy m and.

558
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,639
Speaker 1: You have of course can't bond. Steel was a huge

559
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,599
military operation there which you know, huge contracts. Not to mention,

560
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,280
I would have to there's some that's a NATO operation,

561
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,880
I think, which means that. And of course there's a

562
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,400
huge human traffic and drug trafficking stream going into going

563
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:30,840
into a into Brussels, and wherever you find a military

564
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,480
intelligence operations you're gonna find, you know, human traffic and

565
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,079
explosion of drug trafficking. This also was their chance to

566
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:43,639
I believe, in the nineties to then send in former

567
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,679
Muja Hyden veterans of the Afghan War into the into

568
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,880
the Caucasus region Checha. You also there's a chech In

569
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,679
civil war that they could stoke.

570
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: And there was a kind of hybrid coast of a

571
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,119
liberation army. And this was a hybridization of uh Communism,

572
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:07,360
Communist Marxism and Uh, jihadist philosophy m h. And Daniel

573
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,360
has a great chapter on that and others. Two Ingell's

574
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,800
written on a lot of people pointed.

575
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Out, so you cut out those, Danny Krebko, I think

576
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:15,039
you said.

577
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:23,199
Speaker 2: Daniel Eslin doesn't called hybrid warst talks about it, And yeah,

578
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:27,320
everybody knows this was a total CIA sight now pretty obvious.

579
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,039
And now that doesn't necessarily mean Sloban and Melosavich was

580
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,760
a saint, but it's interesting that, uh, you know, he

581
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:40,119
did marshal a lot of support from Serbian Orthodox people. Uh,

582
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,840
And so I wonder if there couldn't have also been

583
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,360
religious motivations involved there as well. But again I don't

584
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,920
I'm not an expert on Serbia.

585
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: But anyway, well, I mean the Congress voted, I mean,

586
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,320
the US government, through the US Congress, systematically took Yugoslavia

587
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,679
apart because it made foreign aid depend upon the consistent

588
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,960
republics voting to leave. But you know, the authority of Belgrade,

589
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,400
and so they were literally bribing the other republics to leave,

590
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,519
to break apart.

591
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,159
Speaker 2: Yugoslavia because of Soviet influence.

592
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a nineteen ninety one, ninety three

593
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,360
twenty four. So they were provoking this Bulkan war by

594
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,880
promoting secession. And you know, in this case, the federal

595
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,639
government supports secession. I guess you could say.

596
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,039
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, and also you know funding al Qaeda

597
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:34,079
in that region as well.

598
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: Yes, and this again, this, yeah, this.

599
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: Is where Putin, I guess fought his first battles were

600
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,400
told the chest name conflict.

601
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: And that's what I guess I'd roughly follow along the

602
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,280
fault line that Braziski sought to trade with the Arch crisis.

603
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know, again we're at a

604
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:59,920
major player. And I think Patrick made the argument that

605
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:07,079
Brazenski's probably the most most important figure in terms of

606
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,559
geopolitics for the last fifty years. That's probably true.

607
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,679
Speaker 1: What's amazing to me is all the experts are the

608
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:19,000
least the acknowledged experts in politics always advocates of constant destabilization,

609
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:24,840
war and misery because it goes back to the whole

610
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,280
I guess, the whole study of it goes back to geopods,

611
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,119
goes back to mckinder, which which nevill which inherently involves

612
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:31,440
all that.

613
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: And it's not like, you know what this is similar

614
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,159
to that you and I have talked about many times

615
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,480
is the mafia. And the reason I say that is

616
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:45,159
because if you go to Hot Springs, which I've taken

617
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:47,320
two trips there, it's really neat. I mean, it's kind

618
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,679
of kitschy and cheesy and run down. But this was

619
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,199
kind of like Vegas before Vegas was Vegas, right around

620
00:38:56,199 --> 00:39:01,079
the time that Hot Springs was hopping as a mob region,

621
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:02,960
and it was kind of a safe place where the

622
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,320
dons could meet and they would go to the baths

623
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,239
and stuff like that. But what's interesting is that there's

624
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,440
all these neat facts about the mob and the connections

625
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,920
that most people don't know about. So al Capone actually

626
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,639
spent a lot of time in Hot Springs. I know

627
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:23,239
this because I did a tour which there's a mob

628
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,320
museum here and they'll take you on this tour. There

629
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,239
are underground tunnels that were built underneath the Hot Springs

630
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,599
for various vices to be run, and so there's just

631
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,000
a little neat side story. Whenever the FBI or one

632
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,559
of the FEDS or somebody was going to come bust

633
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,159
because of course all the local police were all bought off,

634
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,320
so anytime a FED or somebody like that would come

635
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,320
in maybe try to bust somebody. The local telegraph or

636
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:57,079
telephone operator worked for the mobsters, and she would do

637
00:39:57,199 --> 00:40:02,320
a signal and the whichever place is going to get busted,

638
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,000
all the guys would run down under Most of the businesses,

639
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:11,920
by the way, on the strip have secret passageways, and

640
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,400
they would run down underneath and they would run, you know,

641
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,760
down the block to some other building through this, because

642
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,079
there's a giant underground tunnel underneath the whole city. So

643
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,800
this was how they were running vices and all imaginal

644
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,800
anything you could imagine when trying to say and they

645
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,000
al Capone teamed up with none other than JFK. Senior

646
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:40,320
to run the to run liquor during prohibition, and the

647
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,679
way they did it this is really neat. Actually, there's

648
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,239
everybody knows about Arkansas as because of the water. There's

649
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,199
all these you know, giant water aqueducts underneath the ground.

650
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,639
That's why the water is so good. And of course

651
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,800
the you know Clinton's and Rockefellers, they all have a

652
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,679
monopoly on all this stuff. Well, the water companies around

653
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:00,599
here are the famous ones that would all their bottle

654
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:05,760
of water. They were actually running moonshine through dressed up

655
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,719
as bottle of water.

656
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:07,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

657
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was all these but I had no

658
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:11,880
idea that that was actually who was running that was

659
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,159
Al Capone and Joseph Kennedy Senior, i'd say, was running

660
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:19,880
that out of Hot Springs. So there are all these

661
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,400
neat facts if you if you take a mob tour here,

662
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,440
and then of course other mob characters, like there was

663
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,119
a Madden who was a mobster from England who was

664
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:34,360
running a lot of East Coast syndicate stuff. And actually

665
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,480
the New York mobsters would come and get advice from

666
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,480
this guy. But he just lived in this little normal

667
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:42,239
house out here in the middle of nowhere in Arkansas,

668
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,679
and he was running this giant criminal syndicate, you know,

669
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,960
hundreds of millions of dollars, and nobody knew this guy

670
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,920
was just some British guy who you know, was very unassuming,

671
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,119
living out of the country and playing golf all day.

672
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,239
So it's literally like something out of the movies.

673
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,039
Speaker 3: And the reason I say all that is that when.

674
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: You kind of look at the picture of how things

675
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:07,079
worked on the small scale, and when you look at

676
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,159
how operations will be run save by the FBI to

677
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,840
try to bust these people. And how clever the mobsters

678
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,840
were in getting around stuff is what I'm trying to say.

679
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,079
Then you can kind of project big picture. Well the

680
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,480
Brazenskis these are like just the big mobsters, is what

681
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,599
I'm trying to say. Yeah, they're the guys who do

682
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:30,960
it to countries.

683
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they suborn, you know, as the same of

684
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:39,039
these monsters would suborn or bribe local officials to control

685
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,039
you know, the levels of power, uh, indirectly, so they

686
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,679
could you know, skate away from the law when necessary.

687
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,119
The bigger gangster your you know, you apply that nationally,

688
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,280
like a mayor Lanski to the federal government who had

689
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,000
control of well, a capone can never control Jago Hoover.

690
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:57,400
Mari Lancy can control Jay Hoover because he had photos

691
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:04,239
of them. And this same thing applies internationally. Joe Kennedy

692
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,280
would parlay his wealth that he mass to you know,

693
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,920
smuggling into eventually going to gambling you know you have

694
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,480
the game on the casino out there too in Las

695
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:18,239
Vegas eventually, but also to buy his way in the

696
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,079
political power.

697
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: Yes. And now here's another interesting little tidbit. The do

698
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,320
you know who shut down all the gambling in Hot Springs?

699
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: Is it Robert Kennedy?

700
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: It was the Rockefellers.

701
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, what time frame was that.

702
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,119
Speaker 2: This was in the sixties and seventies.

703
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:41,599
Speaker 1: Okay, so that was that Winthrop Rockefeller. Yes, Okay, that's interesting.

704
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, so he campaigned on this anti vice platform

705
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:50,719
to get rid of the gambling. Now when he uh

706
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,920
got rid of it in the seventies, he sent all

707
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,039
these these FEDS in and these FBI people. That's when

708
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:01,880
Las Vegas really blost in the seventies to be kind

709
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,639
of the new I mean, I understand there was people

710
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,440
going to Las Vegas before the seventies, but there was

711
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,159
a big heyday for Las Vegas in the seventies.

712
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,159
Speaker 3: And I have a big doubt that.

713
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: The Rockefellers are actually interested in stopping vices because when

714
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,079
you figure out the history of the Rockefellers, they are

715
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:30,119
Arkansas people, and they are connected to Walmart, which is

716
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,559
also headquartered in Arkansas.

717
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, now explain Walmart's meteoric rise.

718
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: And that's how Sam Walton got his Chinese deals. It's

719
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,360
from the Rockville.

720
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: So we're going back to the Trilatles Commission again.

721
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:49,639
Speaker 2: Exactly, Now, how does this tider Brezenski who spot at

722
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:53,280
Brazenski and you know recruited him Dad Rockviller.

723
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I like you kid, you got spunk.

724
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: But now most people wouldn't connect all that mafia type stuff.

725
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,960
But actually it you know when you when you look

726
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,719
at you know, when the Rockefeller come into power and

727
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,719
and and and they knew what they were doing then

728
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,800
because if you go back to standard oil and that,

729
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:21,280
I mean, these are serious business people. They know that

730
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,880
this is Bible belt. They're going to campaign on that

731
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,039
anti vice Bible belt ticket, right, and that's going to

732
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,039
dupe everybody. But they don't care anything about don't.

733
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: Get interests and Baptist the yes. And of course that's

734
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,280
interesting because you go back to the only part of

735
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:47,400
the twentieth century, Uh is John de Rockefeller, Uh you know,

736
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,599
the senior the first is a big promoter of the

737
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:52,400
temperance movement.

738
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: And then exactly and that's stuff. Yeah yeah, so that's

739
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,199
what they were saying was and now now that he

740
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,719
may have actually had a you know, a temperance type view,

741
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,239
I think they were they were said to be teetotalers.

742
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,320
I don't think they really drank.

743
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but had they had to do with gasoline. I

744
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,559
think at the time they didn't want to compete.

745
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's going to say, is that there's almost always

746
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,039
alter about it is it's not because it's about business,

747
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:19,960
is what I'm trying to say.

748
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that was that That's what really gave

749
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:26,199
it it's real push at least the point, you know,

750
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,280
it became this sort of this uh spasma of insanity

751
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,719
where they you know, they passed prohibition in nineteen twenty

752
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,960
because that is an outgrowth of the lever Act of

753
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,679
World War One, where government assumes control of all food,

754
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:41,880
you know, to because it has to control food unless

755
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,559
the Kaiser comes over and rapes all our women. Uh.

756
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,800
So that's a sort of a ratchet effect where again you

757
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,679
get a war crisis which you know, thought government police

758
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:56,119
sheds the constitution, you know, forget that we had a

759
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,519
warter fight, and that gives all these interests to the

760
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:01,360
excuse to go in and pass these laws which benefit

761
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,440
the corporations.

762
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, O example. So, uh, you know, anytime you

763
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,960
talk to anytime you see interviews with mobsters, anytime you

764
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:16,119
talk to people who claim to you know, no mobster

765
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,159
or something like that. They always make the statement that

766
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,920
the government's the real mafia.

767
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the white the Vulgier right.

768
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,159
Speaker 2: Exactly when I was when I did the mob tour

769
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,519
at the Hot Springs, that was one of the first

770
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,079
things that they said was you ever the real gangsters are.

771
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:39,679
Everybody's like, well, they tell me the government. They're like

772
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:42,239
why they said, well, because anytime anybody came these they

773
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,719
said they only shootouts that ever happened in Hot Springs.

774
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,840
It was between the FEDS and the and the gangsters.

775
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,039
It was never gangster to gangster.

776
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,039
Speaker 1: Yes, it was interesting to listen to Katha Austin Fits

777
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,400
talk about this sort of planning ahead. You mentioned Walmart

778
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,320
and how you know the rise of Sam Walton and

779
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,840
what this coincides with the nineteen seventies and Triladel's Commission

780
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,559
nineteen seventy three. Brazinski is the first head of it,

781
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,440
and it's opening to China. Of course, the shears before

782
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,000
with Nixon and Kissinger, you know that secret visit he

783
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:21,159
makes in the early seventies. Nixon opens up to China

784
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,800
and coincides with the Rockefellows in the Trilado Commission. They're

785
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:33,480
thinking decades ahead. I mean, it's but she was talking

786
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,159
about how in the nineteen nineties airports are going through

787
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:42,440
these upgrades and renovations, that they're turning airports into shopping malls.

788
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,719
And as a businesswoman, she was looking at us saying,

789
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,679
how is this going to work? Because people don't go

790
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,119
to airports to shop. They go to airports to go

791
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,039
and to go to some far off place. You take

792
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:56,199
a flight, go somewhere to either a ride or to leave.

793
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:02,079
They're not there a long time. Eleven happens all the

794
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:04,719
security theater, theater, you're stuck at the airport for three

795
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,559
two three hours, you're going to shop. It's like they

796
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:08,559
knew it was going to happen.

797
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, and yeah, you even though Brazenski is not

798
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,880
a Pnack character that you do have in Grand Chess

799
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,599
Board hints and subtle references to you know, a new

800
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:27,639
pearl Harbor.

801
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,119
Speaker 3: That kind of that kind of talk.

802
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,199
Speaker 2: So many people have even said that, you know, even

803
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,719
Grand Chess Board might suggest, you know, a coming nine

804
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,920
to eleven, and certainly Brazenski would have known about it,

805
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,280
you know, if if this was a planned, a false

806
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,599
flag type thing, on which I think it was obviously,

807
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:48,320
so I feel like you probably.

808
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 3: Didn't know about it. And and then and.

809
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: Again it's not just nine to eleven. You also have

810
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,039
him laying out the plans for the Ukraine here all

811
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,760
the way in the nineties. And then that's of course

812
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,440
we as we learned that when Soros in Victoria New

813
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:14,800
One were first putting the billions into the Orange Revolution

814
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:18,559
in the Ukraine was starting back in the nineties, and

815
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:23,599
so presumably you know, Soros or excuse me, presumably Brazenski

816
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,360
would have been involved in that too, because I mean,

817
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,639
he's laying the very thing out in Grand Chess border

818
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,400
what needs to happen in Ukraine.

819
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,639
Speaker 1: Which is funny because that talking about the Ukraine and

820
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:41,079
the role that Hitler played for the atlantisis so he

821
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:43,280
was sort of learned into war and also to force

822
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,079
to invade Russia and sort of invade Russian. Russia absorbed

823
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:50,239
the punch, you know, and so they could defeat German

824
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,960
you nil, so we can Russia. At the same time. Well,

825
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,519
here we have the United States government in the in

826
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,360
the twenty first century promoting Ukrainian nationalism.

827
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like Hitler did.

828
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: It's like the Germans and Hitler did, and then the

829
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,679
World War One end the second because they promoted Ukrainian

830
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,320
nationalist and Hitler did that. At the same time, you know,

831
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:12,000
the s S battalions, the Ukraine s S Batans, and

832
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,480
here's the US government supporting these, uh you know, these

833
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,480
stepan banderas, you know, worshiping the Nazis. Because this is

834
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,559
no example of going into an area and screwing up

835
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,960
with the local politics and the culture and just creating

836
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:33,440
a a a an arena of constant battle. Because you know,

837
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,039
if you get into the ethnic politics of of the

838
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,920
Ukraine in nineteen thirties, you realized that yes, many Ukrainians

839
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,960
have have legitimate grudges against you know what they perceived

840
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,880
to be Russians but really were Soviets. You know, So

841
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,800
what you do, will you join up with the s

842
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,199
S and they when the US, when the Germans, because

843
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,400
that it's your chance to get it, get it, get

844
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,960
it at the at the Soviets, the Russians.

845
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great article by Leonards having on the

846
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,119
history of Ukraine and Russia and it being properly part

847
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:09,320
of the Russian sphere of influencer. You know, he talks

848
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,559
about the history of the language, which is very interesting

849
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,920
and when you read even quickly, he talks about how

850
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:23,920
Hitler knew that that was crucial to Russia. That region,

851
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:27,320
the Ukraine region cramea region that is a there's a

852
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,960
lot of wealth, a lot of resources there.

853
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of black rich soil that is exactly

854
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:33,320
controlled yet.

855
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's why it's it was very important

856
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,400
to split that off from the Russian sphere of influence.

857
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: So it has nothing to do with.

858
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:49,559
Speaker 2: Anybody's you know, perceived right wing philosophy or whatever they're

859
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:53,840
duped into believing all about what Washington and you know,

860
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:54,920
NATO want to do there.

861
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just did it finish. Interview with Guido

862
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,440
Preparata about Conjuring Hitler, his book about the Anglo American

863
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,039
agenda to create Hitler in the nineteen twenties and thirties

864
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,159
and how Hitler ultimately served the objective of the Anglo

865
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:15,000
American the anticist powers.

866
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I don't think there's any question.

867
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

868
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:19,519
Speaker 1: Well, he even the funding of it goes in, whether

869
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:22,559
it's the DAWs Plan, the Young Plan, and the money

870
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,840
starts pouring in as soon as Hitler becomes power you know,

871
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,559
it comes into the power, so you get the German

872
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:29,760
recovery and all the industrialization that's aided in a bed

873
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,039
not to sense I mentioned the fact the setting up

874
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:35,000
of the European chess bird just in a perfect way

875
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,000
that would create this war. You know, they were just

876
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:41,199
set up to fail. And also the double dealing which

877
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,519
you talk about. He read a lot of Carol quickly

878
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,400
to write the book, so a lot of what he

879
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,960
writes about in the book is what you covered in

880
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,960
your analysis of Tragy Hope, about the dual policy, about

881
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,559
Edward the eighth and all that scam and alger Hiss

882
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:59,199
and these things, that crazy thing, and how Hitler was

883
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,400
lured to thinking tricking to thinking that there was an

884
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,599
element within the British Salvation there was more sympathetic to

885
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:06,639
his Nazis, when that was just a ruse to get

886
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,480
him to go to war and constentrate to negotiate with

887
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,280
the British Empire.

888
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:17,159
Speaker 2: And so how do we tie it to Disney? Well,

889
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,960
as I mentioned, actually there's a there's a clear tie

890
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,599
from Brazil. It would go directly from Braziinski to Disney.

891
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:26,880
How well, if you think about between two ages, the

892
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:32,159
whole book is about the model of what kind of

893
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:37,000
new world order Brazinski sees coming and what is the technocracy. Well,

894
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:42,079
it's basically that older philosophy of you know, a kind

895
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:50,280
of socialistic utopianism that foresaw technology being the salvation of humankind.

896
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,920
So you can you can connect this to the Fabian

897
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,920
socialists and these characters. You can tie it to Russian

898
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:03,320
cosmist thinkers and science fic writers and futurists, Birdiev and

899
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,920
these kind of characters, and what you get is the inevitable,

900
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:13,880
predetermined juggernaut of technology leading man, you know, to the

901
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,119
stars and all this kind of propaganda colony and it

902
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,760
kind of died out. But then I think what happened

903
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,119
is that the I think the hux Les and the

904
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:27,119
families of the royal society types, I think they were

905
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:33,480
instrumental in really reviving it. And that's the milieu that

906
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,199
you get with Brazenski, who I think you could you

907
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,360
could tie very very closely to to something like brave

908
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,159
New World. That's really what Brazinski's outlining is a Brave

909
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,679
New World type of approach. I mean he may not

910
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,960
mention everything like cloning, but I mean he's basically saying

911
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,039
the same thing. So how do we get to Disney. Well,

912
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,280
what Brazinski sees is a completely controlled managerial society, and

913
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,960
that's what the the Green Agenda, the un you know

914
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:06,079
COP twenty two or twenty twenty, whatever it is that

915
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:13,320
the plant have for for reorganized communities, megalopolis, all of

916
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,599
these kinds of things that you hear conspiracy theorists talked about.

917
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,239
That is what Disney was implementing as part of the

918
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:29,039
conditioning process known as EPCOT. So EPCOT Center is actually

919
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,559
the Community of Tomorrow. That was its original inception idea,

920
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:35,679
and the idea was that, well, the future is coming,

921
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,800
It's all going to be this tech utopia. It's this

922
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,920
you know, this utopian futurism that we see in these

923
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:46,760
different philosophers. And so we can project that cities will

924
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,840
no longer be organized the way that city planning was

925
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,400
done for you know, during during I guess the periods

926
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,960
of industrialism and capitalism. You're going to have a completely

927
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:01,360
controlled basically the AI super grit a smart city model,

928
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,480
and this will be intimately tied into all of the

929
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:09,239
green regulations. And so this is what Katherine Sofis has

930
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,559
talked about many times. Gentrification is a big part of this.

931
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,920
This is one part of the Even though the you know,

932
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,280
individual entrepreneurs may not know that their gentrification is tied

933
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,840
to Agenda twenty one, what it does is that it

934
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,199
rezones areas. Now, you've talked about zoning areas and how

935
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:32,920
that's been used to destroy ethnic communities and you know,

936
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:38,679
Catholic cultures and so forth. That was all zoning laws

937
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:42,400
as models for what we're going to see in the future.

938
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and progressivism, democracy, integration, these things.

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Speaker 2: You know, Yes, Now, what they're also doing that not

940
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many people have talked about. I think I heard Alan

941
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,159
want to talk about this, but I've looked it up.

942
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But it's true. They they will try to buy off

943
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mayors in local communities.

944
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Speaker 1: I think that's been done already just to a part

945
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of home home security grants. But I think that is right.

946
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Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. I wasn't thinking about that, but I

947
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:16,360
was thinking in terms of un rezoning and refurbishing, and

948
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I've seen that happen in local cities near where I live.

949
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,599
I think I mentioned that one of the talks was

950
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I can go not very far from where I am

951
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,360
and there's a city that's not huge, maybe sixty eighty

952
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,800
thousand population, and the whole downtown was basically refurbished. They

953
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built this giant arts center and so forth and so on,

954
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,280
and it was all done because the UN basically declared

955
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,440
this some kind of Harichid zone or something, and so

956
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,360
there's some kind of program to buy mayors off. And

957
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,400
Rosa Cory's book talks about this, which I read her

958
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,440
book too. She talks about them trying to, you know,

959
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,039
get local mayors involved.

960
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Speaker 3: In this stuff. So it's been going on for a

961
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long time.

962
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's done. It's basically it's uh, it's done.

963
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,440
It's a peers local initiative. It's the something a local initiative,

964
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the local the l local something initiatives, local city initiatives.

965
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,519
Really it's all century planned, but it's implemented to the

966
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town council's mayors. Jitter twenty one has been that way

967
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:28,239
to the president, and also governs have signed executive orders

968
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,880
implementing these things. Yeah, you're right, exactly exactly. Yeah, and

969
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:39,280
uh Ickley, the international uh International Commission of Local or

970
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International something of Local Initiative thinks ity is the acronym.

971
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I'm sorry.

972
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Speaker 2: This is also connected to these kind of secret planned

973
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,639
communities that are going up that not many people know

974
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:56,679
about where. And I have the opinion. I haven't been

975
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,599
I've tried down some proof of this, but I kind

976
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:02,320
of think Sandy Hook was one of these where the

977
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un was kind of trying to make these make it

978
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a planned community where there would be no guns in

979
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the future.

980
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Speaker 3: Basically, I had.

981
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,079
Speaker 1: A sibling who we just got together for the Fourth

982
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:18,920
of July in Ohio with some relatives. He came down

983
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,559
from New York area and he drove through San diegoata

984
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,920
curiosity on his way down to Ohio, and he says,

985
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:32,119
it looks like one of those fake Western towns, yeah,

986
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,320
or attempting village type things.

987
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: Yes. Now they're building these cities and fake communities and

988
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,280
then later populating them. Some of them have gone up

989
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,159
around Nashville. And what happens is it looks really nice

990
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:51,159
and everything looks really tidy. But what you figure out

991
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:54,880
is that the homeowners associations in these places have all

992
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,880
these very bizarre, extreme weird rules and that I believe,

993
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,480
like I don't have documented proof of it, but I

994
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,960
can just assume that this is part of that that

995
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:08,360
big plan. Uh. And yes, so they're creating these kind

996
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:14,079
of new Stepford Wife type communities. And you say that's crazy. Well, actually,

997
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:19,320
if you look at Disney's connection to Celebration Florida, that's

998
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,400
a whole city that Disney created and it's actually the

999
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,840
model for Stepford Wives type stuff. Are you very familiar

1000
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,000
with this?

1001
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the CIA through Paul Halliwell.

1002
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:31,559
Speaker 2: And.

1003
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,719
Speaker 1: Uh not Wisner. It was the other guy, you know,

1004
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,159
the guy Oss Guy.

1005
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: Donovan.

1006
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: Donovan were key figures in allowing Disney to build Disney

1007
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,679
World in Florida. They they created two fake towns to

1008
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:51,599
get around the environmental tax laws, local tax laws to

1009
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:54,239
enable them to bite land On.

1010
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: So Disney, you're right, Disney is actually its own city state. Yeah.

1011
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: This is Paul Hellywell, Helliwell, the guy who set up

1012
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,639
Newgahan Bank and all the drugs coming out of the

1013
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,280
Endo of China and also the Caribbean work with Mari Lansky.

1014
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,159
You set up Paradise, and you know Resorts International. He's

1015
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:16,039
got Mary Carter pay Company, which became Resorts International. It's

1016
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:20,280
now Donald Trumpet, you know. But they set up this

1017
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,840
false these two false cities to enable Disney Corporation to

1018
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,440
buy the land on the cheap. This is all these

1019
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:31,719
are all CIA guys helping Christ's SRI also consulted with Disney

1020
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,719
Land out and didn't know that right out in the

1021
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:35,440
West the same year the mk Ultra studied.

1022
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 2: By the way, yes, that's right right now. There's another

1023
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,039
thing though, that later on after Disney it was already there.

1024
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:47,360
They actually bought land and built a town. And I'm

1025
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,760
not kidding. This is where they filmed Truman Show. So

1026
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,679
when you watched Truman Show with Jim Carrey, which is

1027
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:57,199
about a fake town, yeah, I think it's surveiled. It's

1028
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,480
literally filmed in Celebration of Florida, which is a literally

1029
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:04,760
Disney created town. And I was reading reviews of people

1030
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,000
that had gone there, just kind of random internet reviews

1031
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,119
that didn't have anything to do his conspiracy theories. Three

1032
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,280
the views they're like, man, have you ever read Stepford

1033
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,559
Wives or watch that movie?

1034
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 3: That's what this town is like.

1035
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 2: So what I'm getting at is that Celebration of Florida

1036
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,920
is probably one of the early models of the planned

1037
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:30,719
community cities that the Agenda twenty one model is putting

1038
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,719
into practice, just like you know EPCOT is the community

1039
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:35,320
of the future.

1040
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:38,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've mentioned the target cities as sort of

1041
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:39,519
as micro living.

1042
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:41,039
Speaker 3: They're all connected.

1043
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's Chris. They're all smart like like Disney

1044
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:44,400
Disney World.

1045
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Disney World has for a long time. You know,

1046
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:54,320
the Kentagon was who installed the biometrics. That's stream News

1047
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,079
Semens Corporation, which has been involved in all kinds of

1048
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:04,880
the skulldugery German corporation, they were who installed the technology

1049
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,440
at I've caught and they often premiere a lot of

1050
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:12,760
new new advanced tech there for tech shows, all kinds

1051
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,559
of examples of stuff like that. But but yeah, I'm

1052
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:21,159
convinced that the Disney has been a long time uh

1053
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:23,039
you know Pentagon operation for sure.

1054
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: And this is all part of you talked about how

1055
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:32,400
the Illuminati effect full spectrum dominance. It's through education, entertainment,

1056
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:38,079
what's what's traffic is news, it's it's perception management. And

1057
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:42,360
Disney itself is a huge example. Is great. Well, Disney

1058
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,760
itself is as a corporation, it is making megalithic corporation

1059
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:53,400
which boasts uh creating uh, the imagination for children, they

1060
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,639
create the not to mention the fact that they play

1061
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,280
a big role in sexualizing the youth.

1062
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: You can also find numerous mainstream news stories of uh

1063
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:09,440
sex rings and sex trafficking from Disney employees.

1064
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: And there's tunnels under the city.

1065
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: Of course, right now everyone has whispered about that, but

1066
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:16,840
that's actually true.

1067
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: You can watch.

1068
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: The there's YouTube videos that actually invest their their old

1069
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:27,440
Disney documentaries that talk about it. Now. Now, the story

1070
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:29,559
is that Walt was just kind of a weirdo and

1071
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:33,239
he liked to He would he would just go from

1072
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:35,800
one end to the other and pop up, you know,

1073
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:39,039
he would pop up and check in on everybody, make sure.

1074
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:41,440
But I mean, who knows what was really going on.

1075
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,719
He seemed he seemed to be a very odd character,

1076
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,480
and he was. You know, Disney was was involved in

1077
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:50,920
filming prop again all the way back into World War two.

1078
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Donald Duck had him do anything on

1079
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:57,000
taxes for the Treasury Department.

1080
01:05:56,679 --> 01:05:57,079
Speaker 2: Of the Ward.

1081
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: Get people adjusted to withholding and paying your taxes without

1082
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,920
protesting because there's a war to fight. They did all

1083
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,280
the animation I think for the why films these things.

1084
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this mythology that Disney was not to any

1085
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,559
aided Jews or whatever, But actually ben I Breath gave

1086
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:20,559
Walt Disney Man of the Year award a long time. Yeah.

1087
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:24,599
I'm not sure I believe that story, but I think

1088
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:28,880
that it was basically just high level uh, you know,

1089
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,199
Pentagon type work. Uh. And Disney, you know, reportedly had

1090
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,800
access to Laurel Canyon Studios as well, which you know,

1091
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,119
we don't know exactly what all was being filmed there,

1092
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:45,960
but there there is a lot of interesting Disney space

1093
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,719
age stuff. Back in the you know, sixties and seventies,

1094
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,119
Disney was very instrumental in promoting the did the the

1095
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:56,920
NASA stuff. And I don't think it's accidental that NASA

1096
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:02,079
and Disney are both in Florida, mm hmm, very prominently

1097
01:07:02,159 --> 01:07:06,280
and a gigantic Air Force base basically the whole you.

1098
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: Know, there's Space Mountain right right in Disney.

1099
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,519
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but there's a gianta Air Force base. I

1100
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:17,800
drove past it when I was down there too, two

1101
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:18,519
summers ago.

1102
01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:20,239
Speaker 3: It's on the.

1103
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 2: Not the it's on the Atlantic side. It's near uh,

1104
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:32,320
it's near NASA. I forget that. I forget what it is.

1105
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,199
I can't remember the name of all these bases, but

1106
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:38,719
maybe Aber Natural or something. But there's Yeah, there's all

1107
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,639
kinds of just you know, gigantic h you know, Pentagon

1108
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:43,519
military type stuff done there.

1109
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:45,559
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's accidental. I think this is

1110
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,000
all you know, as you pointed.

1111
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: Out there with the CIA.

1112
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:53,079
Speaker 3: Helping to found Disney through these fake cities.

1113
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: Well that just kind of makes the connection between you know,

1114
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:02,960
a you know, the intelligencies and entertainment it uh, movies

1115
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:03,800
and these things.

1116
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:06,639
Speaker 2: Uh. Well it was Gregory Bates and that said that

1117
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,559
the key to controlling man's capturing his imagination something to

1118
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:11,119
that effect.

1119
01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 3: I believe that's a Gregory Bates in quote.

1120
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,319
Speaker 1: And again, the SA is more interested in anthropology and

1121
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:21,279
culture and these things, aren't, you know, Cloak and Dagerr stuff.

1122
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,079
We just kind of recover they're really interesting, which is

1123
01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:29,279
culture creation. But you get that with you know, Chris

1124
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,159
John Adams, don anything about the cooking shows Chris, Tom

1125
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:33,119
Seconder has done.

1126
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:33,199
Speaker 2: You.

1127
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,159
Speaker 1: Tom second talked a lot about just Hollywood and your

1128
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:39,199
book Esoteric Hollywood is a big section on the CIA's

1129
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:42,800
involvement in Hollywood, and that's just that's overt there's a

1130
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,680
more esotery, I think, and that's the problem with all

1131
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:46,880
these things is a lot, because if you're trying to

1132
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,000
understand how the world operates, you just can't be fixated

1133
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:53,760
on what's on the obvious the exoteric. It's the esoteric,

1134
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,359
and you have to sort of engage in some level

1135
01:08:56,399 --> 01:09:02,600
of inference or ex or you know, because what is

1136
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,319
the actual effect of all these things? You know, not

1137
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:07,840
can find a memo that says Cia orders Disney to

1138
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,239
put at this film. You know, so we turned girls

1139
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:14,720
into whoores. You know, it's not that direct, but nevertheless

1140
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,159
it's happening, and we're kind of seeing this alchemical reverse

1141
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,520
alchemy going on throughout society. Just go walk walk into

1142
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,479
a shopping mall these days and look at the people.

1143
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 2: I you know, I spent a lot of time into

1144
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,800
researching this stuff, and you learn new things every day.

1145
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,319
For example, I just learned this last week. I had

1146
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:40,199
no idea John C. Lily of MK ultra fame doctor Lilly, uh,

1147
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:45,199
you know, known for the flipper stuff like giving LSD

1148
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,359
to the dolphins. I had no idea that John C.

1149
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,800
Lily has a whole book called Programming and Meta Programming

1150
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,399
where he literally talks about dosing kids with LSD and

1151
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,279
that you can tap into their subconscious and literally give

1152
01:09:58,319 --> 01:10:02,159
them a program script. I had never heard it. Did

1153
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:04,520
you know he had the book that literally says that.

1154
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm not surprised by it, though, how is this

1155
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,880
guy not he should be hauled in for child abuse?

1156
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,119
Speaker 3: But then you think, well, Alfred Kinsey can do the

1157
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:15,840
same studies.

1158
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: So now you get on the cover of time.

1159
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a good point.

1160
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: Yet, now do I know for certain that there's a

1161
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,960
sex kitten program. I don't know that for certain, but

1162
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,520
I know there's Alfred Kinsey research, and I know that

1163
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,880
there's a John C. Lilly book on dosing kids with

1164
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,199
l LSD and how to program them. And you put

1165
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:38,279
two and two together, I could see how there could

1166
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:41,680
be such a thing. So I wouldn't be surprised if

1167
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,520
it didn't go that deep. But but yeah, I mean there's,

1168
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,640
like you said, you kind of have to infer on

1169
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:54,319
a metal level, the possibility of you know, you could

1170
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:58,880
you could combine the kind of approach that Lily takes

1171
01:10:59,119 --> 01:11:01,680
with Kinz or something like that, and you could easily

1172
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,800
see how you know, the CIA probably did do some

1173
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:10,039
kind of study on how to create a good girl

1174
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:13,960
who turns into a whoror through mind control who knows.

1175
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they just apply to entertainment, which you

1176
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,720
see planted out almost universal with these Disney girls that

1177
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:20,920
come out of the Disney stables.

1178
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:22,359
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, it's.

1179
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: What you know, do you think it's all just a

1180
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,720
coincidence that's having It's some sort of programming that's going

1181
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,880
on there, and.

1182
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,279
Speaker 2: It really is to wreck wreck the kids. That's what's

1183
01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:35,159
so praised about it.

1184
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:37,239
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I've talked about a couple of times,

1185
01:11:37,239 --> 01:11:41,119
think with you both other guests, is that there is

1186
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,319
there you know, the US Public Health Service, working with

1187
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:49,760
the Sage Racial Sage Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and used

1188
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,640
Department of Health and these things, talked about how promoting

1189
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,960
the AIDS scared, Yeah, would be utilized to implement their

1190
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,600
h A x D program, a very graphic sex ed

1191
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,079
program that otherwise parents would would oppose, but the AID

1192
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:09,560
scare uh enable them to implement the program for the

1193
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,720
for the very purposes of changing the students' more's and

1194
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:17,880
attitudes and values towards sex. He corrupting them, sexualizing the youth. Right,

1195
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:21,479
So that's that's a that's just to the education system. Now, obviously,

1196
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,119
through the entertainment systems can be a little different, but

1197
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,800
these are the same people that run the entertainment system.

1198
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,239
They can implement it differently, and you can see it

1199
01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:31,920
being implemented through Disney, or through the re or through

1200
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:33,680
music itself. I mean, that's.

1201
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 2: But but it's This is a great point that John

1202
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,479
and Chris have made too, is that you know, it's

1203
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:47,760
not just TV, uh, it's also theme parks and museums

1204
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:53,079
play a big role in indoctrination. And you know, we

1205
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:54,840
don't tend to think of it that way. We tend

1206
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,079
to think of it like, oh, there's a natural history

1207
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:00,479
history museum over there, and or you can in your

1208
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,479
leisure time and go visit Disneyland over there. But actually

1209
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,079
that both of these will be teaching a unified approach.

1210
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:11,279
Speaker 3: A great example, I remember going.

1211
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,279
Speaker 2: When I went to go here that that Tarplely debate

1212
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:18,720
back in twenty ten or eleven in DC, and I'd

1213
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,479
never been to the Aerospace Museum.

1214
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

1215
01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:26,359
Speaker 3: And when you go in there, you walk in and you.

1216
01:13:26,279 --> 01:13:30,079
Speaker 2: See that dinky Apollo stuff.

1217
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,199
Speaker 3: And I'm not kidding.

1218
01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 2: I've told the story many times, but most of the

1219
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,399
crowd was just sitting there, like I don't think that

1220
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,119
really went to the moon. Look at that thing. That

1221
01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:44,760
thing looks dinky. That's what the crowd was saying. But

1222
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,279
you know, I guess that's the power Propaganda's yes.

1223
01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: Yes.

1224
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,199
Speaker 2: So then when you go upstairs, there's this giant I'm

1225
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:56,840
not kidding, it's a giant Lucifer cloven hoofed if I

1226
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,920
remember mural, and it says I think it says Apollo,

1227
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:03,680
and it's like, you know, it's supposed to be like

1228
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,079
the god Apollo. Or you walk in through this exhibit

1229
01:14:07,119 --> 01:14:11,600
and it's it's all this space stuff. And so what

1230
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,920
I'm getting at is just that you can't come away

1231
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:19,119
with away from that without thinking, you know, as well

1232
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:21,199
as the rest of d C. You know, like Chris

1233
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:24,159
always points out, is that this is like one giant

1234
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:28,119
pedagogical tour that I'm on mm.

1235
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,520
Speaker 1: Hm and yeah, and the tourists that come there from

1236
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:38,079
the benighted Midwest. You know, well, I've seen this on TV.

1237
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 2: You've come to the Land of the Gods with the

1238
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:45,359
giant apotheosized, you know, George Washington up there, and the

1239
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,840
giant Abraham Lincoln that you pointed out, what is he

1240
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:52,439
like fifty feet? Yeah, these are the gods or something.

1241
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: This is these in his Greek temple and wow, yeah exactly.

1242
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,680
And then you think, if you, if you're like a

1243
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,199
sensible republic, this is how you want to view your politicians.

1244
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,760
I mean, does any serious historian ever present Lincoln in that? Will? Some?

1245
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,239
Do some? Do you know, Doris con scared winning your

1246
01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:12,680
typical typical court historians? But really, come on, I mean

1247
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,439
it's an insult everyone's intelligence. This isn't reality. So why

1248
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,479
would you want to partake your kids to these museums

1249
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,439
and present this as real as as a good understanding

1250
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,520
of history really occurred. O oppose the as opposed that

1251
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:26,319
the propaganda.

1252
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: You know. Oh, here's another interesting point I would mention too,

1253
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,199
to connect the LSD. That is something I've just learned.

1254
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:40,720
Back even in the fifties, a lot of Hollywood and uh,

1255
01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:44,600
Disney artists, they were all tripping out. They were all

1256
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,119
using acid because it was pretty new, h uh. And

1257
01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:50,039
a lot of the Disney artists were doing it. And

1258
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:55,079
there's that there's even that co production between Salvador Dali

1259
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,560
and Disney. Have you ever seen that cartoon? Uh?

1260
01:15:58,680 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: I think I know what you're talking about.

1261
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 3: It's not Fantasia, it's something else.

1262
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 2: I forget what it's called, but it's it's kind of

1263
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,279
an underground, uh as, a cult following type thing because

1264
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:12,760
it's so weird, you know, given Salvador Dolly's yeah influence.

1265
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,439
And then but if I recall that was that was

1266
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,319
both Walt and Dolly were you know, probably tripping out

1267
01:16:19,399 --> 01:16:25,039
doing that. Other Disney artists were using LSD and a

1268
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:28,079
lot of the Hollywood. In fact, there was a story

1269
01:16:28,119 --> 01:16:33,800
I saw that Carry Grant did acid like some outrageous number,

1270
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,560
like a thousand times something crazy. He was just constantly

1271
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,119
doing acid. And you wouldn't you think about that being sixties?

1272
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 3: Right? The Beatles introduced that, Oh you know LSD. That's

1273
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,000
Tim Larry.

1274
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: Actually there was a lot of Hollywood people doing acid

1275
01:16:50,039 --> 01:16:50,840
back in the fifties.

1276
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was because, yeah, the there was with George

1277
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,960
Hunter White, Operation Midnight Climax and the safe houses up

1278
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:03,319
there at San Francisco, and it was the sixties, the

1279
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:08,680
well the mas dos had started with the rock and

1280
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,840
roll phase and these dynasy and rock festivals, right Owsley

1281
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:14,560
Elsie Stanley or something.

1282
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:20,159
Speaker 2: Correct, right, you know. But but the reason I mentioned

1283
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:23,800
that is just that that's another connection that you can

1284
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,760
make between mk ulture because LSD was a product of

1285
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:33,199
mc ultra for the most part, and it might even

1286
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:35,319
be the case that it was being given to because

1287
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:37,359
it was new. It was like a you know, elite thing.

1288
01:17:37,399 --> 01:17:40,399
Here's this new drug. Oh, the Huxleys have done this.

1289
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,479
You know, they've been talking about it over in England

1290
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,199
for a long time. You know. So there were the

1291
01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:48,680
Jets that was doing it in the fifties, you know,

1292
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,279
whether by design or not, I'm not sure. Probably it's probably.

1293
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:55,159
Speaker 3: Probably Tavistock.

1294
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that had already kind of pioneered that.

1295
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:03,520
Speaker 1: Did you met that? The was that new Disney program,

1296
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,119
uh where you get you go into Disney and they

1297
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:10,000
track everything you buy where you go, and you've embrace

1298
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:13,000
that identifies you. So the characters can can know your kid's.

1299
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,520
Speaker 2: Name, whoa I have not, But that doesn't surprise me.

1300
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: So Goofy comes, you know, is it on a first

1301
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,720
name basis with your kid? Well, and and all this

1302
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,720
is see he goes back. You know, this whole day

1303
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,600
of you know, the Disney being the model for the

1304
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,600
controlled you know system for.

1305
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: The yes and the last time that I went, uh

1306
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,079
was I did it? Just to analyze the whole the

1307
01:18:38,119 --> 01:18:41,520
whole thing. And when you when you write EPCOT, if

1308
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,319
you don't recall or if you if you haven't done it,

1309
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,960
you go through the phases of the history of man.

1310
01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:49,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they have the things.

1311
01:18:49,359 --> 01:18:52,199
Speaker 2: Well, it ends in the matrix the end of EPCOT. Now,

1312
01:18:52,319 --> 01:18:53,840
is you entering into the matrix.

1313
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the dinosaurs and the monks working there

1314
01:19:00,359 --> 01:19:02,359
and exactly yeah.

1315
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 2: And then right before, right before the matrix, is this

1316
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,319
little nerd tinkering in his garage. It's Bill Gates and

1317
01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:12,520
he's built he's building the computer. And then and then

1318
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,239
the next space says you entering the matrix.

1319
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: Man, So I mean you uh again, you might have

1320
01:19:21,039 --> 01:19:25,279
about Hollywood, and of course Hollywood's rolling all this, uh

1321
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,840
Disney obviously he's a big part of Hollywood now too

1322
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,520
because of the movies they control. How many studios are

1323
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,960
they own now, I'm.

1324
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,039
Speaker 2: Not sure, but I mean, you know they own Star

1325
01:19:35,079 --> 01:19:36,159
Wars and Marble, So.

1326
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. And of course the whole superhero

1327
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:42,199
beam might think is a huge part of a you

1328
01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:46,479
know this agenda, Yes, absolutely, you know, you can, you

1329
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,840
can I think ultimate. I think it's also demoralizing because

1330
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,199
it makes people think the only way you can make

1331
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:51,600
a difference is if you're a superhero.

1332
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,520
Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about that.

1333
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, oh, well, I can't do anything.

1334
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,399
I you know, I can't like one of Wonder Woman,

1335
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,960
charge a German machine guns and fight them off with

1336
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,239
my bracelets. So I have to wait for superhero to

1337
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:10,199
come by.

1338
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,520
Speaker 2: I think, I think this whole super hero that's an

1339
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:14,520
interesting point.

1340
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:15,199
Speaker 3: I haven't thought about that.

1341
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: But I also think you could argue that you're seeing this,

1342
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,000
you know, in the last ten years, this huge rise

1343
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:31,720
in cosplay, people adopting LARPing live action role Yeah. Yeah,

1344
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,760
that I've talked about that, John, John and Chris have

1345
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,600
talked about that. And what this is doing is really

1346
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,319
on a mass gale like we've never seen before. People

1347
01:20:44,319 --> 01:20:49,560
are adopting the synthetic life that they live on the side. No,

1348
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,319
I think what's going to happen. As I said in

1349
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:53,800
a few a few interviews and shows that if you

1350
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,520
watch The New West World, Michael Crichton was actually predicting

1351
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:02,359
that in the future you would have have entire parks

1352
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:05,000
would become like that, like what you're talking about with

1353
01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:08,319
Goofy coming up and knowing your kid, it's even gonna

1354
01:21:08,359 --> 01:21:11,560
go beyond that. There's gonna be you know, who knows

1355
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:16,079
what there's I mean, there's gonna be there's probably gonna

1356
01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:19,720
be AI bots and sex bots at parks that will

1357
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:20,960
be whatever you can think of.

1358
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the sex angle is probably

1359
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,479
the convenience and sex. That's how they get you.

1360
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,239
Speaker 2: They're going to combine it though, with these kinds of

1361
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:36,199
live action stories like are you familiar with the Old

1362
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:36,760
West World?

1363
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: You know with Yeah, with Bill Brenner, Yeah, and uh,

1364
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,560
what's his name from Goodbye Columbus? Richard Benjamin and the

1365
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,319
guy from Who's the other guy?

1366
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:47,039
Speaker 2: I can't remember?

1367
01:21:47,239 --> 01:21:49,039
Speaker 1: He was in the Marcus Well b MD. And he

1368
01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:51,920
was also in Capricorn One by the way.

1369
01:21:52,319 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, you.

1370
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,199
Speaker 1: Know James James Brolin. James Brolin okay, yeah, so yeah,

1371
01:21:57,199 --> 01:21:58,720
that was on my as a kid, is one of

1372
01:21:58,760 --> 01:21:59,520
my favorite movies.

1373
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,239
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, Yeah. I think that's what we're We're

1374
01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:06,039
literally going to see stuff like that develop in the future.

1375
01:22:06,079 --> 01:22:10,720
I mean, it's not just accidental that they're Yeah, the

1376
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:14,720
Disney's created these these entire cities and planned communities. I

1377
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,760
think it's it's they're gonna they're going to integrate the

1378
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,239
virtual worlds with our world and it's all gonna be

1379
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,680
just for control. And I think people are gonna sign

1380
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:25,159
on to this.

1381
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: Well, they will because it's so easy. I mean, think

1382
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,359
about pornography and its weaponizations used as a political weapon

1383
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,600
to enslave you because it cites the passions. And once

1384
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,520
you become a slave your passions, uh, you have what's it?

1385
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,319
You know, as many uh man, as many masters as

1386
01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:44,239
he has vices, as Saint Augustine said, right, and this

1387
01:22:44,359 --> 01:22:46,439
was Michael Jennes I made this point in his book

1388
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,079
Lilibitta da Monandi, is that this is a foreign political

1389
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,439
control because once you lose your passions, you lose your

1390
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,520
your critical faculties, and you can longer govern yourself and

1391
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:01,039
your slave to your passions and those who satisfy the

1392
01:23:01,079 --> 01:23:04,239
passions or desires or appetites that can control you. Now,

1393
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,399
pornography itself wasn't really a faction to the development of

1394
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,840
modern photography, particularly film, yes, Ickelodeon.

1395
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 2: By the way, I would like to mention that neither

1396
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,520
Michael Hoffman or E. Michael Jones are very consistent in

1397
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:25,800
there fact that both Augustin and Aquinas believe that you

1398
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:30,000
should have whorehouses, that they should be sanctioned by the state, as.

1399
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,399
Speaker 1: Far as like a pressure valve.

1400
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:36,199
Speaker 2: Yep, but I don't hear. I didn't believe that when

1401
01:23:36,199 --> 01:23:40,119
I first read that, or but but they did say that.

1402
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 3: So interesting.

1403
01:23:43,039 --> 01:23:50,239
Speaker 1: But the problem with that is, well, okay again, think

1404
01:23:50,279 --> 01:23:52,920
about it from the standpoint of the common guy around

1405
01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:56,159
seeing the first nickelodeon and you could pop in a

1406
01:23:56,239 --> 01:24:00,520
nickel and watch a girl undress continuing front of you.

1407
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,960
What a shock that is, uh, to your senses and

1408
01:24:04,079 --> 01:24:06,279
to your you know, your attitude, your view about things

1409
01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:11,079
with pornography, the effect of pornography itself on society, what

1410
01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:15,760
it's done. Now, if you raise a generation on pornography

1411
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:20,079
and uh, you know, highly sexualized environment entertainment, you're warping

1412
01:24:20,119 --> 01:24:24,359
that person's development uh as a as a maturity being,

1413
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:27,640
particularly the males. But it accounts for both male and

1414
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,279
female affects them differently.

1415
01:24:29,319 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 2: Though.

1416
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 1: Now you have a highly sexualized culture their uh you know,

1417
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:40,039
their neck deep in pornography. They never develop a normal

1418
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:42,479
They can never develop a normal relationship with the opposite

1419
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:47,000
sex or have real realististic expectations they have this sort

1420
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,840
of this playboy you know, glossy air brush reality of sex.

1421
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,800
This isn't real in no other way. They have to

1422
01:24:55,039 --> 01:24:58,600
go through the the effort of having a relationship with

1423
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,840
a real female, which requires work.

1424
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,119
Speaker 2: Their overall points.

1425
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine the world of highly sophisticated sex spots.

1426
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying is yeah, that's kind of yeah.

1427
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,319
And I was actually saying some articles this week about uh,

1428
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,800
there are already in supposedly these maybe fake stories, but

1429
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,359
I would be surprised. In Japan there's already guys marrying

1430
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:24,079
their sexpot.

1431
01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. And but I mean, just think if you could

1432
01:25:27,119 --> 01:25:32,239
enter into a virtual reality and have before you a

1433
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:35,600
girl that looks like Raquel Welch in her prime, and

1434
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,960
she's always agreeing with you, and she's doing whatever she

1435
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,800
wants at any time. You don't have to you know,

1436
01:25:41,159 --> 01:25:42,600
she doesn't she never gets pregnant.

1437
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 2: Well, they'll probably say, you know, you can come live

1438
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,479
in West World, you know, down here in Florida if

1439
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,279
you sign on to be sterilized.

1440
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: Long as it's the contract right, and people will obviously

1441
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,560
with the uh you'll see that with the growth of

1442
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,960
a sectomies and also the use of the birth control pill.

1443
01:26:05,239 --> 01:26:09,039
Speaker 2: Come live your cause, play dream and you know, cause

1444
01:26:09,119 --> 01:26:11,439
play world Ysney or you can you.

1445
01:26:11,399 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: Know, and of course you know signing under that basically

1446
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,319
you're you're really are, You're you're just getting on board

1447
01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:21,399
the the road to uh to the death camps one

1448
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:22,039
way or another.

1449
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to ensure that you don't go into the future.

1450
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,319
Speaker 1: But you can again this this is done through entertainment.

1451
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:34,279
This is done through the media, the movies, these things.

1452
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,399
People's perception of reality is through the movies. That's why

1453
01:26:37,399 --> 01:26:39,840
Hollywood is so important. That's what you when your book

1454
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,720
Esoteric Hollywood is so important because people's understanding of these

1455
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,359
things really is increasingly through this. Uh, well, not so

1456
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,560
much through the movies. Now. I think you said of

1457
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,479
listening to your interview on Red Ice when you're talking

1458
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,199
about your book Esoteric Hollywood, talking about it's gonna change,

1459
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,279
just like how you know, the movies changed, radio didn't

1460
01:26:56,319 --> 01:26:59,279
get rid of it changed it, and TV changed the movies,

1461
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,199
and now the internet's changing virtuality gaming, this thing is

1462
01:27:03,279 --> 01:27:05,880
changing the movies. Have movies now look more like video games.

1463
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:10,039
But this interactive thing is particularly interesting because that's going

1464
01:27:10,079 --> 01:27:12,600
to change the whole nature of entertainment, and not to

1465
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,159
change nature entertainment. It's the gamification of reality.

1466
01:27:16,119 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 2: What we're saying, Yeah, this is all really I think

1467
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,560
it's going to be handed over to the technocrats and

1468
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:25,359
the facebooks and the Googles. You know, they're going to

1469
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:30,079
have a much greater role in what's going to happen

1470
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:33,159
with entertainment. We're actually already seeing the inklings of that

1471
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:37,199
with not just Netflix and streaming sites Amazon Prime, but

1472
01:27:37,239 --> 01:27:42,439
actually with YouTube is beginning to try to adopt this model.

1473
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:47,239
This is part of the whole ad apocalypse debacle of

1474
01:27:47,279 --> 01:27:49,880
the last several months that everybody who's had a YouTube

1475
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:54,399
channel has experienced. And the prevailing theory is that what

1476
01:27:54,880 --> 01:28:00,359
YouTube is doing is instituting well, they're allowing all kinds

1477
01:28:00,399 --> 01:28:03,760
of content that people are going to find objectionable so

1478
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:09,279
that people will call for hm, call for the censorship.

1479
01:28:10,119 --> 01:28:14,800
And then what that will do is allow YouTube to

1480
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:20,760
to basically censor anything relevant or any alternative media, any

1481
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,319
of the you know, the organic media that everyone is

1482
01:28:23,359 --> 01:28:28,840
actually drawn to. Then the censorship is going to be

1483
01:28:29,359 --> 01:28:35,640
the transition into YouTube becoming a streaming service just like Netflix.

1484
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,039
That's what's going to happen. They're already starting it. So

1485
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,600
that's not going to be good for those of us,

1486
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:42,479
you know, with YouTube channels that make money off of

1487
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,479
it and stuff like that. But you know what, what

1488
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,279
did we expect. It's not like we expected the the

1489
01:28:48,359 --> 01:28:52,920
establishment to continue, you know, allowing truth channels to make

1490
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,119
you know, a lot of money every month.

1491
01:28:55,319 --> 01:28:56,119
Speaker 3: They're not gonna allow that.

1492
01:28:56,279 --> 01:29:01,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they shut it down through the demonetizing you and.

1493
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 2: Through supposed censorship because you're never told what terms they're

1494
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:06,720
flagging you for.

1495
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 3: You have no idea.

1496
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 2: You don't know if it's because you said, you know,

1497
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,079
in a you could quote a news article and your

1498
01:29:13,399 --> 01:29:17,720
your channel gets demonetized. Yeah, and eventually it'll be they'll

1499
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,239
they'll take down the videos. They'll say that your video

1500
01:29:20,319 --> 01:29:24,920
contains you know, inappropriate content, which will be as a

1501
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:29,439
result of Google and YouTube allowing inappropriate content on purpose

1502
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,720
so that they could have the reason to censor people.

1503
01:29:32,319 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'll use the copyright excuse, an intellectual profit excuse.

1504
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:40,600
They've done as internationally to break down national borders, right, Yeah,

1505
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,920
they've done that, same with they've done with banking, you know.

1506
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:46,800
And cast onsin Fits made a point a while back

1507
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,279
regarding regulation, how we all know that the regulations don't

1508
01:29:51,279 --> 01:29:54,359
apply to the elite, but they're there too, more or

1509
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:59,279
less to harvest the text to bleed and just to

1510
01:29:59,319 --> 01:30:04,479
frustrate those at the mid level. And uh again that's

1511
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,119
one way to stifle competition. Was another way again that

1512
01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:10,680
everything can be harvested and taken away eventually the wealth.

1513
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,319
You can't just take it all at once, you take

1514
01:30:12,319 --> 01:30:17,279
away gradually. Common Core again, this is part of the

1515
01:30:17,399 --> 01:30:23,319
education approach. Is common core itself. Just through the interview

1516
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:28,960
a while back regarding common Core with doctor Farrell, Yeah,

1517
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,000
I heard it, yeah about this all part of of

1518
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:35,279
data collection, all part of technocracy, because everything is all

1519
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:40,800
the information is being your your electronic testing data service.

1520
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,319
Electronic data Testing Data Service has a direct tie to

1521
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,079
m care Alter through the Human Ecology Fund, and it.

1522
01:30:48,039 --> 01:30:50,399
Speaker 2: Was that's how they would they would be able to

1523
01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:53,880
profile and figure out, you know, who might be useful

1524
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,399
in certain things that you know, we were talking about

1525
01:30:56,399 --> 01:31:00,680
that in terms of Phoenix programs. Yeah, finding a psychopathic individuals.

1526
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,119
Speaker 1: And of course with just with the improvement technology data collection,

1527
01:31:05,239 --> 01:31:08,760
data analysis, and storage, uh, you know, all this becomes

1528
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:13,439
more effective. Yeah, Phoenix program. It was a testing program

1529
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,760
for the Department and for Homeland Security to prototypical program.

1530
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:23,079
You know, you create a civil war, you know, arena fear.

1531
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,680
Same thing that's done in the United States with terrorism,

1532
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:28,800
applied differently, of course, because Vietnam is different than North

1533
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:33,119
America and the situation is different. Castronson fits in the

1534
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:37,319
forward to the common Core book talks about Obamacare doing

1535
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:41,760
just It's basically it's way of sucking out the money

1536
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:45,760
out of the medical system from local areas because the

1537
01:31:46,039 --> 01:31:52,359
medical staff people that the administrative element of medicine, the

1538
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:56,079
people that run that the doctor's offices. As medicine becomes

1539
01:31:56,119 --> 01:32:00,720
more corporatized as individual practices are shut down, doctors go

1540
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,920
to work for mega corporations, and Obamacare is a big

1541
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,000
part of that, because it's becoming too onerous for individual

1542
01:32:07,039 --> 01:32:09,479
doctors to run their own practice, so they go to

1543
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,479
work for megacorp exactly.

1544
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:13,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1545
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,079
Speaker 2: I did finally get around to getting that Nancy Banks book,

1546
01:32:17,399 --> 01:32:22,800
you know, which deals with the relationship ship to to history.

1547
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: Medicine, diamonds. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.

1548
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 2: And once you understand and what there we go once again.

1549
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:37,439
We're back to Arkansas and let's not forget by the way, Mina, Arkansas. Yes,

1550
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,760
and the selection the selection of Bill.

1551
01:32:41,079 --> 01:32:44,039
Speaker 1: Who some say is related to Winthrop Right.

1552
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 2: Well, if you if you walk down the Strip and

1553
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:54,399
Hot Springs, there's a very ridiculous looking cartoon, like a

1554
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:58,239
giant billboard. That's a cartoon drawing of Broklyn welcoming you.

1555
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,760
But he looks really I mean, it's a really badly

1556
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,680
drawn cartoon. It's it's it's kind of funny, but.

1557
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: It's like a put little cartoon type Bill Clinton.

1558
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,079
Speaker 2: But isn't that telling for the you know, you have

1559
01:33:11,159 --> 01:33:13,960
you have the big mobsters, you have the medium mobsters,

1560
01:33:14,399 --> 01:33:16,439
and then you have the frontmen politicians.

1561
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:22,359
Speaker 1: M h yeah, I was a well literally on we

1562
01:33:22,359 --> 01:33:26,399
were talking about consumerism, and consumer is used to break

1563
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:30,840
down sort of culture, break down these firewalls that they

1564
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:36,279
exist in other countries and also locally and h I

1565
01:33:36,359 --> 01:33:39,520
ran this quote here from the old All in the

1566
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:45,319
Family show Archie Bunker is they're commiserating with Edith about

1567
01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:48,239
the Democrats that he's playing with the Democrats because this

1568
01:33:48,319 --> 01:33:52,199
is the late seventies and Jimmy Carter's in office. Of course,

1569
01:33:52,279 --> 01:33:54,840
you know, Archie Bunker was the Republican blue collar Republican

1570
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,279
mm hmmm, which is kind of funny because you know,

1571
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,960
up until the seventies, blue calls were associated with Democrats.

1572
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,039
But that's kind of what was going on in Poltant

1573
01:34:04,119 --> 01:34:07,159
domestic politics at the time. The red light, the red

1574
01:34:07,279 --> 01:34:11,520
left to or sorry, the right left paradigm being shifted

1575
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,000
around by the cultural people of the nineteen sixties. But

1576
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,760
he's just he's talking to eat and he goes, you know,

1577
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,079
I don't know what's going what's going on here at

1578
01:34:20,119 --> 01:34:23,199
this time. It's during the supposed the energy crisis, of course,

1579
01:34:23,239 --> 01:34:28,720
another crisis that was created non exist by builder book, right.

1580
01:34:29,039 --> 01:34:31,520
So you know, for years they've been telling us to

1581
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:36,359
buy stuff. You know, they use energy, electric ovens, electric knives, stereos.

1582
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,560
Not to mention the cars. He goes, and after all

1583
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,880
the corporations make their billions, they change signals on us,

1584
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,880
you know, and after years of telling us we can't

1585
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:49,880
live without this stuff that we they tell us that

1586
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,319
we got to live without it.

1587
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it isn't that interesting from consumerism and gluttony basically

1588
01:34:59,119 --> 01:35:04,079
to us. Yeah, and austerity is that banker trick?

1589
01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1590
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that sort of the Club of Rome

1591
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,800
type thing, the environmental thing, which is why that's another

1592
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:14,319
way they convince people to give up their sovereignty, to

1593
01:35:14,399 --> 01:35:18,239
accept a miseration, to be impoverished, you know, to live

1594
01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:19,680
in megacities and.

1595
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 2: Yes, you need a coffin box apartment.

1596
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's it's all trendy. It's very tony

1597
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,199
because it's you know, if you're twenty one years old

1598
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:32,199
and you can live in a foreigner squarel foot.

1599
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 2: Apartments and eat ram and noodles fake food.

1600
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not think about the long term consequences because

1601
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,239
you're eating like that and you're not going to live

1602
01:35:41,239 --> 01:35:45,159
past fifty anyway if you're loving you know, you know,

1603
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,560
so what's funny thing. But again, what's interesting by Prasinski

1604
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,800
was he's at this high level, he's talking about geostrategy,

1605
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,439
but it all but it all plays down. It all

1606
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:56,960
trickles down to media, the food we eat, the commercials

1607
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,399
we watch, the music we listen to.

1608
01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:03,359
Speaker 2: That's what's important about Brazenski is that, you know, I

1609
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:07,960
still run into people who get very offended by the

1610
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,079
things I talk about, or that they get mad or

1611
01:36:10,119 --> 01:36:12,520
they you know, various reactions that I mean, most of

1612
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,600
the most people don't. Most people are to some degree

1613
01:36:16,119 --> 01:36:18,880
kind of on board with you know, something's wrong out there,

1614
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,359
But every now and then I still run into two

1615
01:36:22,359 --> 01:36:25,760
people who just can't deal with it, and sometimes actually,

1616
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,840
you know, intelligent people. It's not just goofballs. But the

1617
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,720
reason Brazenski is so crucial is that he is, you know,

1618
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:38,479
one of the few figures that pretty much touches on everything. Yeah,

1619
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,840
you know in some way roughly, you know, he talks

1620
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:47,680
about manipulation of religion, manipulation through technology, k culture type stuff.

1621
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,640
He'll talk about, you know, false flag stuff. I mean,

1622
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,479
he's not going to outright say false flag, but he's

1623
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:58,520
going to talk about utilizing means of decailization. He really

1624
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:02,159
does in many ways and capsule late, he's really the

1625
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:05,680
the you know, if the wet dream of the conspiracy

1626
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,920
there is if you want the guy to go to

1627
01:37:09,039 --> 01:37:12,640
as your proof, you can't find anyone better than Brazenski.

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Speaker 1: Here's yeah. But here's a question for you though. And

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this is what I was talking to the Collins brothers

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about Brazinski because I interviewed him roughly at the same

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time that he passed away. So one of the other

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thoughts on Brazinski, and one of the things they mentioned was, well, uh,

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they kind of agreed with Michael Jones' analysis. Michael Jones

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said that the Russian the Soviet Union lasted as long

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as pretty much the life of one man, seventy five years,

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and so there's these it's sort of there's a it's

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sort of mortal, you know, as soon as the older

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01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,399
generation passed away, it kind of faded away. And they

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said that Brazienski himself, the passing in Persiski might represent

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the same theme regarding the global elite. That's certain. What

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we're seeing now is is a reflection of the worldview

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of the David Rockefellers, the Kissingers, the Brazenski's, and they're

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passing may represent a changing of the guard, the changing

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01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,479
and we might see some shift and policy, which is

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I trik it as sort of somewhat optimistic analysis of

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of Brazinski and the situation. That's an interesting observation. And

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second to that is who's taking their place? I don't

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see anyone there the same sort of depth or intellectual acumen, right.

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Speaker 2: I think that came out when I was talking to

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01:38:40,399 --> 01:38:46,399
Patrick about Brazinski, and I think that it passes to

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01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:52,720
the tech the tech gurus, the Elon Musk's, the Peter Thiel's,

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01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:59,760
the Schmidts at Google. I think the Regina Dugans of

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01:39:00,039 --> 01:39:03,920
are put in Google. That's what I think Builderberg has

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signified the last few years was the focus on tech.

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So that's that's why I think is going to take

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the reins. Now. I would guess that means that they

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01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:23,439
probably think that they can go ahead and transition into

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01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:27,880
you know, AI running things, giant smart cities.

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Speaker 1: So automated tyranny.

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01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. The CEO of IBM, you know, she gives

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01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:41,199
those lectures start, So I think that's where they're going

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01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:45,399
to pass the reins to. Whether that will be successful,

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01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:49,119
I guess really depends on, you know, what man chooses

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to do. But unfortunately, it looks like we're we're going

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01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:54,399
into that. I think there is a reason to be

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01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:58,359
optimistic though, because I think people are going to they're

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01:39:58,399 --> 01:40:01,359
going to have reaction to this. They're going to start

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01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:05,960
realizing that a lot of this isn't before they're good

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01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:11,239
the the utopia that it promises, it doesn't deliver, just

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like just like Sovietism promised this kind of you know,

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cosmism and utopia, it doesn't deliver it. Yeah, So in

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that regard, I think there's hope. And also I think

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that if you have a if you believe in some

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sort of theological position, or if you have a worldview

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01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,279
like that, then you believe that that man is more

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01:40:33,319 --> 01:40:39,119
than just a plastic entity to be crafted through some

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sort of mechanized Darwinism. And I think that from H. G.

1678
01:40:44,199 --> 01:40:47,159
Wells on, these characters have kind of had that view

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01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:51,000
of plasticity of man, that you can mold man to

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01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,439
to be whatever you want, which is to say that

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he doesn't have a soul or a psyche or an

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01:40:56,279 --> 01:41:01,760
individual identity beyond biology and brain matter. But I think

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humans have I think humans are made the image of God.

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So I don't I don't think that we have to despair,

1685
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:14,039
and you know, think that that the technocrats will will

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01:41:14,039 --> 01:41:18,720
win because technocracy ultimately is empty. It doesn't offer anything

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01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:28,319
beyond some sort of immediate, an immediate form of making

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01:41:28,359 --> 01:41:33,079
life easier. That's really what that's really all technology can

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01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:38,319
do easier, and just just making things easier doesn't actually

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provide man with any kind of meaning or transcendent connection.

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And I think that humans are always going to desire,

1692
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,039
you know, metaphysics and a transcendent connection.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because obviously we observe through physical exertion we are healthier.

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So at some level easier becomes actually a detriment.

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Speaker 2: Year that's a good point exactly.

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Speaker 1: And we all know that hard, hard work creates characters,

1697
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:08,239
so we all know. So, uh, there's a point where

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obviously you don't want to, you know, make a fetish

1699
01:42:10,119 --> 01:42:11,880
out of hard labor. And there's a point you know,

1700
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:14,560
but people, there is a sense of accomplishment we get,

1701
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:17,520
whether it's you know, through exercise and get results through exercise,

1702
01:42:18,039 --> 01:42:21,920
maintaining you're healthy that way. Same thing applied to the spiritual,

1703
01:42:22,359 --> 01:42:24,560
and there's a connection between the body and the spirit.

1704
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Speaker 2: And no matter how many AI bots you bring to power,

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01:42:29,359 --> 01:42:32,039
I mean, you're always going to have to need. I mean,

1706
01:42:32,039 --> 01:42:34,119
you can build a bot to work on a bot,

1707
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:35,800
but who's going to work on that bot? I mean

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01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,479
you're always going to need, don't. I don't know that

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01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,560
they're ever going to achieve this kind of whatever utopia

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they have in mind.

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Speaker 1: And there's no exhilaration feeling asking about out on the

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01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:47,960
first date it saying yes.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, I think even if this happens,

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01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:58,000
humans are eventually going to kind of be bored with

1715
01:42:58,079 --> 01:43:01,199
it mm hmm, because it's it's not going to be

1716
01:43:01,239 --> 01:43:07,239
able to offer, you know, what it promises. So anyway,

1717
01:43:07,239 --> 01:43:08,560
that's I think that's all I've got tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's good, okay. Yeah, So that's the bit

1719
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:15,199
bersiskey technocracy and the slave grid that they're all trying

1720
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:16,640
to pose upon us. I want to thank you Jay

1721
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,560
for spending the time to talk with me.

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01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 2: Thank you too.

1723
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,600
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to understanding what we're talking about tonight, reading Esoteric Hollywood

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these seems the creation of reality or the perception of

1739
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:10,479
reality is key to uh keeping anyone, you know, keeping

1740
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,399
control of this, you know, making everyone I guess a

1741
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:16,039
submit or acquiesce to these things.

1742
01:44:16,039 --> 01:44:20,119
Speaker 2: So okay, thank you, thank you for your great podcast,

1743
01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:22,000
and I've learned a lot from your show.

1744
01:44:22,119 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 1: Thank you, al I'll bid you, uh farewell for now,

1745
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:26,760
and we'll talk again soon in the near future.