Speaker 1: Mm hm. Welcome to another episode of Our Interesting Time.
Is my pleasure to have Jay Dyer back on the show. Jay,
how you.
Speaker 2: Doing doing great? How are you great?
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back on the show. Now. Of course,
you are the host of Jay's Analysis jays Analysis dot com.
You're also the author of Esoteric Hollywood, Hollywood Sex Calls
and Symbols and Film and Uh, well, what you cover
in that book I think is relevant tonight. But when
I wanted to talk about tonight, you've done a number
of interviews and also some talks analyzing the career and
works of Zebnubrazinski, who passed away uh last spring. Uh,
And I want to discuss his role in promoting technocracy
as well as technocracies subsequent implementation through you know, the government,
government policies, government agencies, the corporations NGOs, and of course entertainment,
you know, like Hollywood or even the Disney coortd operation.
And maybe we'll discuss a little of the history of
technocracy itself, of why he was developed in the nineteen thirties.
But anyway, Zibya Brazinski, you've done a few talks on
him his books, and let's talk about Brazinsky was what
was he all about?
Speaker 2: Well, he was, of course, as I mentioned, a refugee,
I guess you could say, not in the sense of
refugees flooding Europe, but refugee fleeing Europe from the Soviet era.
And his parents were reported at least to be of
noble descent from Poland. And so Rashensky leaving Poland under
Soviet actation and then going to Canada, I think is
what kind of well most people agree that propelled his
anti Russian fervor, so Brazenski almost I think a natural
so Brezenski was, of of course fleeing Soviet occupation, and
he therefore made a great recruit into the brain trust
of the Anglo American establishment, and it was McGill University, which,
interestingly I never heard anybody else make a connection to
MK ultra. And I don't know that there's any direct
work that Brazenski did in New Culture, but it's interesting
that he was at one of those central schools for
the MK ulture programs, McGill University, and it's there that
he would I think be eyed by different people a
potential recruit for CFR type work. And so when he
wrote the between Two Ages, which is the book that
kind of predicts a lot of where we'd go in
the electronic age, the technocratic age that was in nineteen
seventy it's really this that caught the eye of David Rockefeller.
And that's what many books on Brazenski will discuss, is that,
you know, that's why he was fingered for this role.
And David reportedly called Henry Kissinger and said, I've got
somebody for this new role that we need to start,
or it is either Henry called David or David called Henry,
one of the two, and they decided that's a big
would be perfect for the first Chairman of the Trilateral
Commission in nineteen seventy three. So it was there that
he began, I think, to really do the deep state work.
I mean, I'm sure prior to that. And he does
actually cite Samuel Huntington and people like that. So Brezenski
is in that school of Bernard Lewis and Samuel Huntington.
That's people that he learned from, and of course adopted
the Heartland theory and studied Halfred mckinder and all that.
And I won't rehearse that. I'm sure your audience is
familiar with it, but so he takes that approach certainly
to geopolitics. But what's unique about Brezenski are three or
four things and interesting. I had a pretty heated debate
with Kevin Cole over this, but I think I'm pretty
correct in stating that it's really Brazenski that pioneers the
electronic and smart application of these technologies of regime change,
and so that's what's I think the big Well, actually,
you could argue there are quite a few things in
between two ages that are future oriented and presage a
lot of what we're seeing nowadays. So everybody talks about
the weather weapons stuff that's in the footnotes in certain
sections of the book.
Speaker 3: But he also saw all kinds of things.
Speaker 2: Like online education that people would be taking their classes online,
that you could back basically re engineer society through the internet.
So a lot of people will talk about technocracy and
forget that the internet is what he's talking about when
he's talking about technocracy. That's that's probably one of the
biggest examples of technocracy that you could think of. So
Brazenski four saw the important role that the internet would
take in everyone's lives you know, all the way back
in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3: And as I said, that's why I think.
Speaker 2: David Rockefeller saw him as somebody who was very important
and crucial for these deep state roles. And of course
we know that he was the National Security Advisor under
Jimmy Carter, and it's in that role that he implemented
these other kinds of technologies that I was talking about
related to the newer models of regime change. So instead
of those older CIA models of you know, assassinating Mosadic
or something, or attempting to assassinate some leader having a
coup against Mosad, excuse me. You know, that model was
replaced eventually from the fifties into the.
Speaker 3: More soft power approach.
Speaker 2: Now, granted, soft power certainly goes back to the old
imperial models of the ancient world. But what Brazenski was
so useful at was integrating these models into the usage
of technology. And that's what he I think you could
safely say he's a pioneer of. And so back in
the seventies he talked about the need for an arc
of crisis that would stretch, if I recall from the Balkans,
the Caucasus to Middle East, to Southeast Asia even Yeah,
there's a great long article by Andrew Gavin Marshall at
Global Research that does a really lengthy discussion of what
appeared to be examples of Zensky's arc of crises, you know,
all the way basically bombings, all the way back into
the seventies, you know, all the way up to the
Mumbai bombings, the Bali bombings and so forth, London bombings,
and how a lot of this really fits with this
model that we're talking about from Brazenski. And if one
reads the excellent articles that Venesza Bili and Patrick Henningson
have done on smart power soft power, and you understand
Bresinski's works and you understand, you know, the examples of
stuff like him co creating with Hamid Ghoul and Robert
Gates the Musja Haden or Slash al Qaeda freedom fighters
in nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine, then you understand basically
the whole model of what you see in the world today.
So Brezenski, I think is the key. And he's a little,
you could argue even a little more relevant than Carol.
He's a kind of Carol Quiggly, but without all the
fun because he's crazy. He's Carol Quickly meets bertrand Russell
with no nonsense, just straight to the point. Here's how
we're going to get the technocracy, you know. And certainly
towards the middle of Tragy and Hope, Quigly has a
couple really fat chapters that deal with, you know, the
implementation of technocracy and the AI computers and the military
industrial complex and the managerial society that's coming. But Razensky,
I think, is not just a you know, Quickly his
history writer archivist. He's an implementer. And that's the big
key here is that Brazenski is a point man for
not just writing about this, but also implementing these new
technologies that will utilize the latest in tech to achieve destabilization,
archive crisis, regime change, et cetera, et cetera, to really
destabilize all of the post World War two Soviet uh
what it eventually functions to do is to destabilize the
Soviet satellites. And so this once the Soviet Empire collapses,
that was largely, as I said, a result of this
arc of crisis technology model that Brazhensky had had really
dreampt up and That's why he was so useful to
the oligarchs. And so in many ways, as I said,
for Praxis, he was He's more more relevant than even
a quickly you could argue quickly will tell you more
about the bankers and history, but Brazensky's going to tell
you more about you know, how to understand what you
see on CNN, you know, when you see the news
talking about, you know, a coup here and a destabilization there.
Once you really nail down Brazensky, you can understand what
you're watching. So that, I think is what sums up Brazensky.
And of course there's other peripheral addendum material that we
can talk about with Grand Chess Board and how it
kind of predicts nine to eleven in subtle ways, it
predicts the Ukraine crisis, you know, back in nineteen ninety eight,
seven ninety seven, when you wrote the book that we
saw in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: So that's what you're looking at.
Speaker 2: You're looking at a major geopolitical thinker, of the caliber
of a player, you know, of the caliber of a kissinger,
you know, who's really putting into practice the ideology. So
he's not just a brains he's also you know, he
also flies over there in the famous CBS clip you
know that land that is yours, God is with you,
you take it back, as he tells the freedom fighters
in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: The uh he's uh, he's sort of quickly he's Carol.
He's Carol Cooley without the Irish charm.
Speaker 2: That's a good way. But that's better.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But but with with the with all the bertrand Russell. Yeah, yeah,
you know, bare bones, atheistic, pragmatic.
Speaker 1: Just there's no sentimentalism with him, you know.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Uh I discussed uh Braziski with uh with recently and
uh with Joe uh at well hm and he just
we just were talking about how it figures like Brazinski
and uh Henry Kiss they're both foreign, right, and that
these these distinct accents that they never seem to be
able to shed despite years of living living in North America.
And he seemed to think that there's accents himself or
a function of their role in sort of intimidating and Americans,
you know, with their PhDs and their uh you know,
their positions in academia, that they're the ones with the education,
the knowledge and the wisdom to sort of control plan
the world, or at least play their part and planning
the world. And I always thought it was fun both
him and him and Kissinger, who were these two huge
figures in the late twentieth century. And uh in I guess,
uh strategizing for the Atlantis powers, both of them. You know,
at these German Germanic accents, Prussian and almost Prussian and
all age Polish becomes the air of the world where
you know, there's real ethnically, ethnically is not much different,
you know, European and how just example, once can how
America has been conquered by Europeans.
Speaker 2: You know, that's an interesting point. I've never thought about that,
kind of took it at face value, but yeah, they
could have you know, they could have been menacing in
their affectation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like it was always that was overdone.
It was like interesting, So I just that's interesting. Another
thing is to what extent, I know he's a described
as sort of a go for a lieutenant for the
elite but in and playing such a large role in
devising strategy for the Atlantist powers, for the elite powers
that are really behind these nation states that are play
things for the globalist. I mean, if you enjoy as
much influence as a Kissinger or Brazinski, let's ask you this,
to what extent can they manipulate things themselves because they
they're whispering into the ear of the emperor. And of
course historically we know that often those people, the gray eminence,
the people whispering in the ears of those who are
who make that, who make the decisions, might be able
to manipulate things for their own agenda. An example, how
well the Cold War might have been for the UH wage,
for the UH, for the UH interest that that were
behind the Atlantis powers the Anglo American Empire. At the
same time, his Polish background probably played a big part
in his Rusophobia and his I was he pushing his
own agenda here too?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm sure that does come into play,
because as I understand, he was pretty successful in a
monetary sense. Obviously, I don't know how wealthy Brezenski was,
but you know, he's got a fairly prominent daughter who
has the TV show with Joe Scarbo that Trump calls
quite a ruckus with this week. If you saw that
tweet talking about her face lift, that was But but yeah,
I would imagine that that there is as as I mentioned,
due to that, you know, fleeing Soviet occupation, as we're
told that there was personal motivation and vengeance involved, perhaps, but.
Speaker 3: You know, he that all the all the better for
the Atlantis.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that really fits into the twentieth century strategy
that we talked about from Quigley, which dealt with you know,
the twenties, the two World Wars basically being about the
weakening of Russia, uh and Germany so.
Speaker 1: And Poland was there to spark the Second World War
exactly too, you know, yeah, to kind of lure Hitler
into starting another general war in Europe, although it became
a general war and when France and Britain declared war
on on Hitler over his you know, invasion of Poland, which.
Speaker 2: Is grew out of the which is what they encouraged, Yeah,
the Polish Corridor.
Speaker 1: They encouraged Polish and transience and then did nothing let
Poland get crushed between Russia and Germany. So yeah, so
again that's another example again then this utilizing that Russian
that Polish nationalism that you know that that had been
I guess crushed for almost two hundred years between you know,
Germany and Russia. Then it became a reason for sparking
the World War in the mid twentieth century, early twentieth century.
Speaker 2: So yeah, what I found so interesting about his writings
was the a lot of stuff that you wouldn't expect
in there. You wouldn't expect there to be no I mean,
it's kind of been floating around conspiracy circles and sights
for a long time. But I don't think that that
most people would think about weather warfare and electromagnetic frequency
warfare as something realistic. Yet it's in the nineteen seventy
book by Brazinski, So he was talking about this stuff
a long time ago in all kinds of other things
to I mean, he he even kind of starts out
talking about, as I mentioned in my talk, the the
usefulness of cosmopolitan areas and how this really breaks down
people's attachment to the land, to agriculture, that you there's
a there's a big shift that happens in cultures when
they go through the process of you know, industrialization and
then modernization and so forth, and how that this impacts
the social order, and you know, he sees that model
as key to understanding basically what what we've seen in
history happen to certain regions or nations right quote, First
World nations that have gone through the process of moving
from agricultural societies to industrial to modern slash technological societies.
He sees those as microcosm models for the whole of
the world. And this is why they're globalist. Globalist is
how they think that the same model is going to
happen in one of the cheap ways that you're going
to do that. It was with the net. The net
will make things global and that will move everyone into
this high mind. And that's why he's a technocrat. That's
the that's the central role here of all of this,
and the Internet is the Internet is technocracy. And I
mentioned that not to be luddite or to be overly
negative or fear porn oriented, but I mean, we just
have to understand that that's that's a fact, and that's
what Brezenski is talking about.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Because as you get removed from from the soil,
further remove off from nature, you get further removed from
the laws that bind nature, and you forget that there's
laws still bind you, and you're well, that's how you
get to you know, transgenderism in these things, right because uh,
you probably saw the movie Her With Yet and how
you know, you notice the cold, the surroundings, the urban surroundings,
the apartment, and think's cold exactly.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2: The aesthetic of the film really betrays the emptiness. And
that's that's really the point of that films. That's you know,
he's surrounded by human beings who you know, the kind
of one to one connection and love that he's looking for,
you know, is ironically the Amy Adams character that the
girl is sitting there next to the whole time and
he's fixated on this stupid computer program. But but yeah,
that's that's a great example of you know, what Brazienski's
predicting here and what he would like to see implemented.
And when you there's a lot of other interesting interviews
that I came across to John Adams dug at one
from I think the nineties from the New York Times
or something like that. But in that interview, he it's
a linked with Brazienski. He goes into thinks like consumerism
and americanism, and that's also very revealing because there, he's
it's more modern. You know, it's twenty five years after
between two eight, and he's saying, look, we're at the
point now where America is basically the battering ram to
break down all ideologies across the globe.
Speaker 3: And that's something I've been arguing for a long time.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people take issue with that, and
they have a very you know, they feel that I'm
being unpatriotic or being mean or something like that, when
all I'm telling you is that that Americanism can be
used as a tool to destroy other countries and other traditions,
not for something better, but for the purpose of the globalists.
And Brazinski says that.
Speaker 3: He explicitly says that in that interview.
Speaker 2: He says, now, obviously he doesn't give a shit about America,
he has no concern about but he basically says it's
a costume that can be worn to spread hope in
the sense of quote American democracy, which he moraliss says
is just oligarchical rule. He knows that there's no such
thing as actual democracy, and so, you know, he explodes
the mythology that it's it's it's not true, it's American
patriotism is basically dead.
Speaker 3: It's been dead for a long time.
Speaker 2: And so to be you know, mindlessly pro American if
so many people are and you know, supports the troops
and all this kind of stuff, it's really just serving
the oligarchical agenda. And Prazenski is a prime oligarch to
show that, you know, he has no qualms about just
saying flat out it's kind of like, I don't remember
if it was you or or somebody was doing a
show an interview and they were talking about I think
it was Alan Watt was doing a discussion about Prince
Philip and that they don't really like to give him
interviews often because he just oftentimes he'll just stay straight
out what they want to do, like, but of course
I want to see full billion people dead, don't you
don't you want to see it wasn't dead, the Hillman's cancer.
So they don't give him that interview because you know,
he's a little too blunt. In many ways, Marzenski is
pretty blunt too. He just flat out says that consumerism
and Americanism are the means by which you can destroy religion,
and that's really kind of a thesis of between two
ages is that the three things that are there are
ideology is dead, religion is dead, Nation states dead, and
Marxism now is dead. So all of those are you know,
kind of come and gone. There goes to the past,
and we can move into the technocratic age. So hence
between two ages, that's the new transition period that we're
going into, is what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about the Chris the exportation of Americanism
and consumerism, materialism abroad. But one thing it does not
result in the material abundance the rest of the world.
That's just the uh it really it relies on impoverishing
the world through the uh you know, the economic Hitman model,
the oh the World Bank, uh you know, the International
Monetary Fund, these things. I think all these things that
the bridisci said were great in bringing about this globalization.
But before that was uh successfully done, it was of
course it had to be applied domestically here in the
United States, and here in that States you had, through wars,
the economic crises and then prosperity, the destruction of any
ethnic consciousness or identity here among the particularly among the
white the white majority. In fact, you know, the bland
white majority is sort of a just sort of a
denature derastinated, uh, conglomeration of the former ethnic groups. You know,
we see little bits of it, little Italy here, there's
Saint Patrick's Day, Sat Past Jay Parade, even that's been corrupted.
But the breakup, ironically, of of these urban neighborhoods into
suburbia through various social engineering schemes, whether it's the construction
of the Interstate highway system or the creation of the
you know, of the thirty year mortgage courtesy the federal government,
these things. And this, of course, this coincides with the
postwar boom, the Second World War, and this explosion and
consumption and this this is where you see the sort
of this breakdown of any the ethnic or religious identity
among various ethnic groups. They became white Americans, but the
only thing they could really identify with each other would
be their consumption habits, whether it's the music Elvis Presley
or the Beatles, or you know, the hula hoop jeans,
you know, the T shirt, these things. And so once again,
once they lose any ethnic identity, uh, they can easily
be manipulated through consumerism, which is what he's talking about here.
And this becomes the good life. Of course. Uh that's
promoted through uh uh mass communication, through time life, uh,
you know, through the Disney corporation. Sports is a big
thing because sports is now sort of a substitute for
maybe uh tribal or regional uh patriotisms that might have existed,
you know, uh so now but that's but that's all
part of the corporate monstrosity because through sports you can
promote all types of social you know, agendas or engineering
schemes we're seeing with the NFL and the NBA, or transgenderism,
you know these things. So here in the again, I'm
saying it had to had to be done here first,
we had to be first to be conquered here in
the United States, for for is exported.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brazenski was very, i think conscious of that
because he wore the cloak of liberal many many years,
you know, being in the cart administration and being in
the Obama administration. But he also served on various Bush
task forces. So there's another character that you know, transcends
the phony left right dialectic. You can see it pretty clearly.
But Brezenski definitely understood with his liberal egalitarian face that
he wore. You would get the impression that he believed
in equalitarianism and so forth, and he would often speak
you know, of Martin Luther King or these platitudes. But
at the same time you have the cold calculated technocrat
who was very explicit about depopulation, very explicit about carbon
taxes and Agena twenty one. So Brazenski was obviously on
board with all that. So we we know from that
that his supposed humanitarian a model or a cloak that
he wore was a was Bologney that was part of
the guys that you wear, you know, to be part
of the Democrat establishment, and the same goes for the
Republican establishment as well. So I mean he's he's picked
out by the Rockefellers, right, these are the GP, right,
the GOP. You're picking out the so called Democrats to
run these big steering committees, and hence Brazenski's membership, you know,
in Builderberg and various Bilderberg steering committees, and you know,
being even chosen for slicing up Serbia with Wesley Clark
and Kissinger on the International Crisis Group, which I've talked
about many times.
Speaker 3: So Brazenski is not at all.
Speaker 2: A patriot to any group. And so you know, he's
definitely at that level of people who believe that they
don't have any ethnic ties, they don't have any anything
that binds them to any communities. And in fact, Brezenski, even
in between two ages, early on discusses the possibility of
different organizations that could be used for mobilizing globalism, and
he discusses the Catholic Church because it's one of the
few global organizations. So Brazinski, again, you know, sees these
entities not as something real or as bearers of tradition,
but just as tools to be moved on the grand
chessboard chess pieces. So the Roman Catholic Church is to Braziski,
you know, one the queen piece maybe, and then you
have you know, al Qaeda is upon piece. You know,
it's like the NGOs or rook piece. That's how he
views all of this, and race and culture, all of
that is just another chess piece, another tool for manipulation
that has nothing to do with any sort of metaphysical
verities or universal truths. It's just simply about cold heart pragmatism.
And that's the essence of technocracy. That it's pragmatic.
Speaker 1: And one thing that's important to point out is when
you talk about members of the International Crisis Group, that
these elder statesmen aren't interested in solving problems in stabilizing
the world. They believe in stabilizing the world to destabilizing
the world, sort of like burning the village in order
to save it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he says, he says, if America didn't
do what it did, we would have anarchy. Well, so
in other words, America has to cause anarchy or else
we'll fall into anarchy. But of course he's saying, you
know that the American world order, the packs Americana, he says,
basically keeps the whole globe in check and.
Speaker 3: Chaos and so forth so on.
Speaker 2: But but there's also, you know, other interesting aspects to
Brazenski that you might not respect, like his support for
the John Meersheimer book about Apak. He I think both.
Speaker 3: Kind of like.
Speaker 2: Soros.
Speaker 3: Was kind of like Soros.
Speaker 2: He would you know, at times, draw the ire of
certain factions like the Israelis because you know, Brazenski doesn't
care for nationalism. Uh, you know, he thinks that's dead
and gone, so in his mind, as a technocrat. You
know that that I don't think he has any special
care or concern for the Israeli state. So I think
you could argue that maybe he represents that kind of
U n type faction. You know, Brezenski would be much
more favorable towards a United Nations type of model for
global government than he would necessarily the warhawk Bush neocon approach.
So he's maybe not necessarily one hundred percent you know,
on board with the neo cons although Golden Fitzgerald argued
that he actually is just a straight up neocon, So
I don't. I don't know they you know, they have
a lot more time put into this than I have.
But but regardless, you know, there can be I guess
at times, as we've said, disagreements about different approaches, but
it doesn't matter because the end goal is still the same.
I just I think Brazenski views America and Americanism as.
Speaker 3: A cloak that can be shed once.
Speaker 2: Once the world is ripe for a total technocratic globalism.
And in fact, when Brazienski critique Bush, that was his
main critique was that after nine to eleven, he didn't
sufficiently use it for globalism. He used it for too
much Americanism, too much patriotism. Yeah, not real but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then that's his criticism with it. This inspired opposition, Yes,
created opposition with China and Russia, and it was their
crude methods by going about this, which uh, messed up
the plan so to speak. M yeah, right, as opposed
to soft power, which is you don't talk about going
in and conquering, invading, You talk about human rights and
you know, responsibly, responsibilities to protect and things like that,
as opposed to going in invading a country and imposing
a government with you know, with hundreds of thousands of
uish troops these things. Uh.
Speaker 2: But now, and that was that that's his model. I mean,
he wants to use his model. You know, he's the
father of that. In terms of implementing the technology, I
realized that again, Empires have used soft power the time,
but Razinski is the real mover and shaker in terms
of utising technology and what would eventually be the you know,
the hashtag type stuff. Yeah. Yeah, all of that being
all of it being collated together. I think you can
really point to Brazenski as a father. Now, there was
other figures right after Brazenski Joseph what's his name? That
that's the sort of the Harvard father of the of
this approach to regime change. There's another guy who's kind
of also credited with being the coining the term soft power,
Joseph I forget his name, but he's one of these
Harvard international business type guys.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really he's just coining a term that
was already the model for doing this in between two ages,
that lays out the strategy of using all the technologies.
Speaker 1: And you've mentioned, of course Gene Sharp, this oh yeah,
harmless academic up there in Boston.
Speaker 2: Non violent regime change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess this is the invoking democracy and
human rights to go in and disrupt foreign governments, foreign
cultures and sort of incorporated it into the atlantisis fold.
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah. I wish I could remember that. It's
I think it's even cold. You know, it's the Harvard model,
the Harvard of Joseph somebody was one of the professors
at Harvard a thing. But but yeah, I mean that
they had this down to a science, and that's why
they don't really like that, you know, that approach of
you know it was Raytheon and Boeing, and then the
guys who necessarily who might want to just sell tanks
and weapons, you know, they would rather you know, use
their NGOs than the latest anti molistic missiles or something
like that.
Speaker 1: Because uh, but that an evasion like that expends a
lot of weaponry they had to replace. So there's always
pressure to go go in, go in, you know, with
the guns of blazing, because that destroys a lot of
things you have to be rebuilt and replace.
Speaker 3: And it was Brazensky.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Brazenski personally profited off of it,
but I wouldn't be surprised, but it was. It was
Wesley Clark and you've mentioned that, but it was Wesley
Clark and others who had interest in the mineral are
of the of Serbia and certain minds there, and that
was a big part of the proclamations of oh, you know,
slovanam Melosavich is this evil dictator and you know, we
got to get rid of him, and uh, oh, what
do you know, There's all this these environmental problems that
we got to solve. But all of that was just
a cloak for basically these people divvying up that country.
And I think some people have pointed to Madeline Albright
getting a chunk of that too or something.
Speaker 1: She has a big piece. I think its telecommunication with
the Melton all right, right, and Wesley Clark, it's the
mineral rights or something.
Speaker 2: And of course the involved in that strategy m and.
Speaker 1: You have of course can't bond. Steel was a huge
military operation there which you know, huge contracts. Not to mention,
I would have to there's some that's a NATO operation,
I think, which means that. And of course there's a
huge human traffic and drug trafficking stream going into going
into a into Brussels, and wherever you find a military
intelligence operations you're gonna find, you know, human traffic and
explosion of drug trafficking. This also was their chance to
I believe, in the nineties to then send in former
Muja Hyden veterans of the Afghan War into the into
the Caucasus region Checha. You also there's a chech In
civil war that they could stoke.
Speaker 2: And there was a kind of hybrid coast of a
liberation army. And this was a hybridization of uh Communism,
Communist Marxism and Uh, jihadist philosophy m h. And Daniel
has a great chapter on that and others. Two Ingell's
written on a lot of people pointed.
Speaker 1: Out, so you cut out those, Danny Krebko, I think
you said.
Speaker 2: Daniel Eslin doesn't called hybrid warst talks about it, And yeah,
everybody knows this was a total CIA sight now pretty obvious.
And now that doesn't necessarily mean Sloban and Melosavich was
a saint, but it's interesting that, uh, you know, he
did marshal a lot of support from Serbian Orthodox people. Uh,
And so I wonder if there couldn't have also been
religious motivations involved there as well. But again I don't
I'm not an expert on Serbia.
Speaker 1: But anyway, well, I mean the Congress voted, I mean,
the US government, through the US Congress, systematically took Yugoslavia
apart because it made foreign aid depend upon the consistent
republics voting to leave. But you know, the authority of Belgrade,
and so they were literally bribing the other republics to leave,
to break apart.
Speaker 2: Yugoslavia because of Soviet influence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a nineteen ninety one, ninety three
twenty four. So they were provoking this Bulkan war by
promoting secession. And you know, in this case, the federal
government supports secession. I guess you could say.
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, and also you know funding al Qaeda
in that region as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this again, this, yeah, this.
Speaker 2: Is where Putin, I guess fought his first battles were
told the chest name conflict.
Speaker 1: And that's what I guess I'd roughly follow along the
fault line that Braziski sought to trade with the Arch crisis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know, again we're at a
major player. And I think Patrick made the argument that
Brazenski's probably the most most important figure in terms of
geopolitics for the last fifty years. That's probably true.
Speaker 1: What's amazing to me is all the experts are the
least the acknowledged experts in politics always advocates of constant destabilization,
war and misery because it goes back to the whole
I guess, the whole study of it goes back to geopods,
goes back to mckinder, which which nevill which inherently involves
all that.
Speaker 2: And it's not like, you know what this is similar
to that you and I have talked about many times
is the mafia. And the reason I say that is
because if you go to Hot Springs, which I've taken
two trips there, it's really neat. I mean, it's kind
of kitschy and cheesy and run down. But this was
kind of like Vegas before Vegas was Vegas, right around
the time that Hot Springs was hopping as a mob region,
and it was kind of a safe place where the
dons could meet and they would go to the baths
and stuff like that. But what's interesting is that there's
all these neat facts about the mob and the connections
that most people don't know about. So al Capone actually
spent a lot of time in Hot Springs. I know
this because I did a tour which there's a mob
museum here and they'll take you on this tour. There
are underground tunnels that were built underneath the Hot Springs
for various vices to be run, and so there's just
a little neat side story. Whenever the FBI or one
of the FEDS or somebody was going to come bust
because of course all the local police were all bought off,
so anytime a FED or somebody like that would come
in maybe try to bust somebody. The local telegraph or
telephone operator worked for the mobsters, and she would do
a signal and the whichever place is going to get busted,
all the guys would run down under Most of the businesses,
by the way, on the strip have secret passageways, and
they would run down underneath and they would run, you know,
down the block to some other building through this, because
there's a giant underground tunnel underneath the whole city. So
this was how they were running vices and all imaginal
anything you could imagine when trying to say and they
al Capone teamed up with none other than JFK. Senior
to run the to run liquor during prohibition, and the
way they did it this is really neat. Actually, there's
everybody knows about Arkansas as because of the water. There's
all these you know, giant water aqueducts underneath the ground.
That's why the water is so good. And of course
the you know Clinton's and Rockefellers, they all have a
monopoly on all this stuff. Well, the water companies around
here are the famous ones that would all their bottle
of water. They were actually running moonshine through dressed up
as bottle of water.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was all these but I had no
idea that that was actually who was running that was
Al Capone and Joseph Kennedy Senior, i'd say, was running
that out of Hot Springs. So there are all these
neat facts if you if you take a mob tour here,
and then of course other mob characters, like there was
a Madden who was a mobster from England who was
running a lot of East Coast syndicate stuff. And actually
the New York mobsters would come and get advice from
this guy. But he just lived in this little normal
house out here in the middle of nowhere in Arkansas,
and he was running this giant criminal syndicate, you know,
hundreds of millions of dollars, and nobody knew this guy
was just some British guy who you know, was very unassuming,
living out of the country and playing golf all day.
So it's literally like something out of the movies.
Speaker 3: And the reason I say all that is that when.
Speaker 2: You kind of look at the picture of how things
worked on the small scale, and when you look at
how operations will be run save by the FBI to
try to bust these people. And how clever the mobsters
were in getting around stuff is what I'm trying to say.
Then you can kind of project big picture. Well the
Brazenskis these are like just the big mobsters, is what
I'm trying to say. Yeah, they're the guys who do
it to countries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they suborn, you know, as the same of
these monsters would suborn or bribe local officials to control
you know, the levels of power, uh, indirectly, so they
could you know, skate away from the law when necessary.
The bigger gangster your you know, you apply that nationally,
like a mayor Lanski to the federal government who had
control of well, a capone can never control Jago Hoover.
Mari Lancy can control Jay Hoover because he had photos
of them. And this same thing applies internationally. Joe Kennedy
would parlay his wealth that he mass to you know,
smuggling into eventually going to gambling you know you have
the game on the casino out there too in Las
Vegas eventually, but also to buy his way in the
political power.
Speaker 2: Yes. And now here's another interesting little tidbit. The do
you know who shut down all the gambling in Hot Springs?
Speaker 1: Is it Robert Kennedy?
Speaker 2: It was the Rockefellers.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, what time frame was that.
Speaker 2: This was in the sixties and seventies.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that was that Winthrop Rockefeller. Yes, Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, so he campaigned on this anti vice platform
to get rid of the gambling. Now when he uh
got rid of it in the seventies, he sent all
these these FEDS in and these FBI people. That's when
Las Vegas really blost in the seventies to be kind
of the new I mean, I understand there was people
going to Las Vegas before the seventies, but there was
a big heyday for Las Vegas in the seventies.
Speaker 3: And I have a big doubt that.
Speaker 2: The Rockefellers are actually interested in stopping vices because when
you figure out the history of the Rockefellers, they are
Arkansas people, and they are connected to Walmart, which is
also headquartered in Arkansas.
Speaker 1: And yeah, now explain Walmart's meteoric rise.
Speaker 2: And that's how Sam Walton got his Chinese deals. It's
from the Rockville.
Speaker 1: So we're going back to the Trilatles Commission again.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Now, how does this tider Brezenski who spot at
Brazenski and you know recruited him Dad Rockviller.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I like you kid, you got spunk.
Speaker 2: But now most people wouldn't connect all that mafia type stuff.
But actually it you know when you when you look
at you know, when the Rockefeller come into power and
and and and they knew what they were doing then
because if you go back to standard oil and that,
I mean, these are serious business people. They know that
this is Bible belt. They're going to campaign on that
anti vice Bible belt ticket, right, and that's going to
dupe everybody. But they don't care anything about don't.
Speaker 1: Get interests and Baptist the yes. And of course that's
interesting because you go back to the only part of
the twentieth century, Uh is John de Rockefeller, Uh you know,
the senior the first is a big promoter of the
temperance movement.
Speaker 2: And then exactly and that's stuff. Yeah yeah, so that's
what they were saying was and now now that he
may have actually had a you know, a temperance type view,
I think they were they were said to be teetotalers.
I don't think they really drank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but had they had to do with gasoline. I
think at the time they didn't want to compete.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's going to say, is that there's almost always
alter about it is it's not because it's about business,
is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that was that That's what really gave
it it's real push at least the point, you know,
it became this sort of this uh spasma of insanity
where they you know, they passed prohibition in nineteen twenty
because that is an outgrowth of the lever Act of
World War One, where government assumes control of all food,
you know, to because it has to control food unless
the Kaiser comes over and rapes all our women. Uh.
So that's a sort of a ratchet effect where again you
get a war crisis which you know, thought government police
sheds the constitution, you know, forget that we had a
warter fight, and that gives all these interests to the
excuse to go in and pass these laws which benefit
the corporations.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, O example. So, uh, you know, anytime you
talk to anytime you see interviews with mobsters, anytime you
talk to people who claim to you know, no mobster
or something like that. They always make the statement that
the government's the real mafia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the white the Vulgier right.
Speaker 2: Exactly when I was when I did the mob tour
at the Hot Springs, that was one of the first
things that they said was you ever the real gangsters are.
Everybody's like, well, they tell me the government. They're like
why they said, well, because anytime anybody came these they
said they only shootouts that ever happened in Hot Springs.
It was between the FEDS and the and the gangsters.
It was never gangster to gangster.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was interesting to listen to Katha Austin Fits
talk about this sort of planning ahead. You mentioned Walmart
and how you know the rise of Sam Walton and
what this coincides with the nineteen seventies and Triladel's Commission
nineteen seventy three. Brazinski is the first head of it,
and it's opening to China. Of course, the shears before
with Nixon and Kissinger, you know that secret visit he
makes in the early seventies. Nixon opens up to China
and coincides with the Rockefellows in the Trilado Commission. They're
thinking decades ahead. I mean, it's but she was talking
about how in the nineteen nineties airports are going through
these upgrades and renovations, that they're turning airports into shopping malls.
And as a businesswoman, she was looking at us saying,
how is this going to work? Because people don't go
to airports to shop. They go to airports to go
and to go to some far off place. You take
a flight, go somewhere to either a ride or to leave.
They're not there a long time. Eleven happens all the
security theater, theater, you're stuck at the airport for three
two three hours, you're going to shop. It's like they
knew it was going to happen.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, and yeah, you even though Brazenski is not
a Pnack character that you do have in Grand Chess
Board hints and subtle references to you know, a new
pearl Harbor.
Speaker 3: That kind of that kind of talk.
Speaker 2: So many people have even said that, you know, even
Grand Chess Board might suggest, you know, a coming nine
to eleven, and certainly Brazenski would have known about it,
you know, if if this was a planned, a false
flag type thing, on which I think it was obviously,
so I feel like you probably.
Speaker 3: Didn't know about it. And and then and.
Speaker 2: Again it's not just nine to eleven. You also have
him laying out the plans for the Ukraine here all
the way in the nineties. And then that's of course
we as we learned that when Soros in Victoria New
One were first putting the billions into the Orange Revolution
in the Ukraine was starting back in the nineties, and
so presumably you know, Soros or excuse me, presumably Brazenski
would have been involved in that too, because I mean,
he's laying the very thing out in Grand Chess border
what needs to happen in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Which is funny because that talking about the Ukraine and
the role that Hitler played for the atlantisis so he
was sort of learned into war and also to force
to invade Russia and sort of invade Russian. Russia absorbed
the punch, you know, and so they could defeat German
you nil, so we can Russia. At the same time. Well,
here we have the United States government in the in
the twenty first century promoting Ukrainian nationalism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like Hitler did.
Speaker 1: It's like the Germans and Hitler did, and then the
World War One end the second because they promoted Ukrainian
nationalist and Hitler did that. At the same time, you know,
the s S battalions, the Ukraine s S Batans, and
here's the US government supporting these, uh you know, these
stepan banderas, you know, worshiping the Nazis. Because this is
no example of going into an area and screwing up
with the local politics and the culture and just creating
a a a an arena of constant battle. Because you know,
if you get into the ethnic politics of of the
Ukraine in nineteen thirties, you realized that yes, many Ukrainians
have have legitimate grudges against you know what they perceived
to be Russians but really were Soviets. You know, So
what you do, will you join up with the s
S and they when the US, when the Germans, because
that it's your chance to get it, get it, get
it at the at the Soviets, the Russians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great article by Leonards having on the
history of Ukraine and Russia and it being properly part
of the Russian sphere of influencer. You know, he talks
about the history of the language, which is very interesting
and when you read even quickly, he talks about how
Hitler knew that that was crucial to Russia. That region,
the Ukraine region cramea region that is a there's a
lot of wealth, a lot of resources there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of black rich soil that is exactly
controlled yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's why it's it was very important
to split that off from the Russian sphere of influence.
Speaker 3: So it has nothing to do with.
Speaker 2: Anybody's you know, perceived right wing philosophy or whatever they're
duped into believing all about what Washington and you know,
NATO want to do there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just did it finish. Interview with Guido
Preparata about Conjuring Hitler, his book about the Anglo American
agenda to create Hitler in the nineteen twenties and thirties
and how Hitler ultimately served the objective of the Anglo
American the anticist powers.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, he even the funding of it goes in, whether
it's the DAWs Plan, the Young Plan, and the money
starts pouring in as soon as Hitler becomes power you know,
it comes into the power, so you get the German
recovery and all the industrialization that's aided in a bed
not to sense I mentioned the fact the setting up
of the European chess bird just in a perfect way
that would create this war. You know, they were just
set up to fail. And also the double dealing which
you talk about. He read a lot of Carol quickly
to write the book, so a lot of what he
writes about in the book is what you covered in
your analysis of Tragy Hope, about the dual policy, about
Edward the eighth and all that scam and alger Hiss
and these things, that crazy thing, and how Hitler was
lured to thinking tricking to thinking that there was an
element within the British Salvation there was more sympathetic to
his Nazis, when that was just a ruse to get
him to go to war and constentrate to negotiate with
the British Empire.
Speaker 2: And so how do we tie it to Disney? Well,
as I mentioned, actually there's a there's a clear tie
from Brazil. It would go directly from Braziinski to Disney.
How well, if you think about between two ages, the
whole book is about the model of what kind of
new world order Brazinski sees coming and what is the technocracy. Well,
it's basically that older philosophy of you know, a kind
of socialistic utopianism that foresaw technology being the salvation of humankind.
So you can you can connect this to the Fabian
socialists and these characters. You can tie it to Russian
cosmist thinkers and science fic writers and futurists, Birdiev and
these kind of characters, and what you get is the inevitable,
predetermined juggernaut of technology leading man, you know, to the
stars and all this kind of propaganda colony and it
kind of died out. But then I think what happened
is that the I think the hux Les and the
families of the royal society types, I think they were
instrumental in really reviving it. And that's the milieu that
you get with Brazenski, who I think you could you
could tie very very closely to to something like brave
New World. That's really what Brazinski's outlining is a Brave
New World type of approach. I mean he may not
mention everything like cloning, but I mean he's basically saying
the same thing. So how do we get to Disney. Well,
what Brazinski sees is a completely controlled managerial society, and
that's what the the Green Agenda, the un you know
COP twenty two or twenty twenty, whatever it is that
the plant have for for reorganized communities, megalopolis, all of
these kinds of things that you hear conspiracy theorists talked about.
That is what Disney was implementing as part of the
conditioning process known as EPCOT. So EPCOT Center is actually
the Community of Tomorrow. That was its original inception idea,
and the idea was that, well, the future is coming,
It's all going to be this tech utopia. It's this
you know, this utopian futurism that we see in these
different philosophers. And so we can project that cities will
no longer be organized the way that city planning was
done for you know, during during I guess the periods
of industrialism and capitalism. You're going to have a completely
controlled basically the AI super grit a smart city model,
and this will be intimately tied into all of the
green regulations. And so this is what Katherine Sofis has
talked about many times. Gentrification is a big part of this.
This is one part of the Even though the you know,
individual entrepreneurs may not know that their gentrification is tied
to Agenda twenty one, what it does is that it
rezones areas. Now, you've talked about zoning areas and how
that's been used to destroy ethnic communities and you know,
Catholic cultures and so forth. That was all zoning laws
as models for what we're going to see in the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and progressivism, democracy, integration, these things.
Speaker 2: You know, Yes, Now, what they're also doing that not
many people have talked about. I think I heard Alan
want to talk about this, but I've looked it up.
But it's true. They they will try to buy off
mayors in local communities.
Speaker 1: I think that's been done already just to a part
of home home security grants. But I think that is right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. I wasn't thinking about that, but I
was thinking in terms of un rezoning and refurbishing, and
I've seen that happen in local cities near where I live.
I think I mentioned that one of the talks was
I can go not very far from where I am
and there's a city that's not huge, maybe sixty eighty
thousand population, and the whole downtown was basically refurbished. They
built this giant arts center and so forth and so on,
and it was all done because the UN basically declared
this some kind of Harichid zone or something, and so
there's some kind of program to buy mayors off. And
Rosa Cory's book talks about this, which I read her
book too. She talks about them trying to, you know,
get local mayors involved.
Speaker 3: In this stuff. So it's been going on for a
long time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's done. It's basically it's uh, it's done.
It's a peers local initiative. It's the something a local initiative,
the local the l local something initiatives, local city initiatives.
Really it's all century planned, but it's implemented to the
town council's mayors. Jitter twenty one has been that way
to the president, and also governs have signed executive orders
implementing these things. Yeah, you're right, exactly exactly. Yeah, and
uh Ickley, the international uh International Commission of Local or
International something of Local Initiative thinks ity is the acronym.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: This is also connected to these kind of secret planned
communities that are going up that not many people know
about where. And I have the opinion. I haven't been
I've tried down some proof of this, but I kind
of think Sandy Hook was one of these where the
un was kind of trying to make these make it
a planned community where there would be no guns in
the future.
Speaker 3: Basically, I had.
Speaker 1: A sibling who we just got together for the Fourth
of July in Ohio with some relatives. He came down
from New York area and he drove through San diegoata
curiosity on his way down to Ohio, and he says,
it looks like one of those fake Western towns, yeah,
or attempting village type things.
Speaker 2: Yes. Now they're building these cities and fake communities and
then later populating them. Some of them have gone up
around Nashville. And what happens is it looks really nice
and everything looks really tidy. But what you figure out
is that the homeowners associations in these places have all
these very bizarre, extreme weird rules and that I believe,
like I don't have documented proof of it, but I
can just assume that this is part of that that
big plan. Uh. And yes, so they're creating these kind
of new Stepford Wife type communities. And you say that's crazy. Well, actually,
if you look at Disney's connection to Celebration Florida, that's
a whole city that Disney created and it's actually the
model for Stepford Wives type stuff. Are you very familiar
with this?
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the CIA through Paul Halliwell.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: Uh not Wisner. It was the other guy, you know,
the guy Oss Guy.
Speaker 3: Donovan.
Speaker 1: Donovan were key figures in allowing Disney to build Disney
World in Florida. They they created two fake towns to
get around the environmental tax laws, local tax laws to
enable them to bite land On.
Speaker 2: So Disney, you're right, Disney is actually its own city state. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is Paul Hellywell, Helliwell, the guy who set up
Newgahan Bank and all the drugs coming out of the
Endo of China and also the Caribbean work with Mari Lansky.
You set up Paradise, and you know Resorts International. He's
got Mary Carter pay Company, which became Resorts International. It's
now Donald Trumpet, you know. But they set up this
false these two false cities to enable Disney Corporation to
buy the land on the cheap. This is all these
are all CIA guys helping Christ's SRI also consulted with Disney
Land out and didn't know that right out in the
West the same year the mk Ultra studied.
Speaker 2: By the way, yes, that's right right now. There's another
thing though, that later on after Disney it was already there.
They actually bought land and built a town. And I'm
not kidding. This is where they filmed Truman Show. So
when you watched Truman Show with Jim Carrey, which is
about a fake town, yeah, I think it's surveiled. It's
literally filmed in Celebration of Florida, which is a literally
Disney created town. And I was reading reviews of people
that had gone there, just kind of random internet reviews
that didn't have anything to do his conspiracy theories. Three
the views they're like, man, have you ever read Stepford
Wives or watch that movie?
Speaker 3: That's what this town is like.
Speaker 2: So what I'm getting at is that Celebration of Florida
is probably one of the early models of the planned
community cities that the Agenda twenty one model is putting
into practice, just like you know EPCOT is the community
of the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've mentioned the target cities as sort of
as micro living.
Speaker 3: They're all connected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's Chris. They're all smart like like Disney
Disney World.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Disney World has for a long time. You know,
the Kentagon was who installed the biometrics. That's stream News
Semens Corporation, which has been involved in all kinds of
the skulldugery German corporation, they were who installed the technology
at I've caught and they often premiere a lot of
new new advanced tech there for tech shows, all kinds
of examples of stuff like that. But but yeah, I'm
convinced that the Disney has been a long time uh
you know Pentagon operation for sure.
Speaker 1: And this is all part of you talked about how
the Illuminati effect full spectrum dominance. It's through education, entertainment,
what's what's traffic is news, it's it's perception management. And
Disney itself is a huge example. Is great. Well, Disney
itself is as a corporation, it is making megalithic corporation
which boasts uh creating uh, the imagination for children, they
create the not to mention the fact that they play
a big role in sexualizing the youth.
Speaker 2: You can also find numerous mainstream news stories of uh
sex rings and sex trafficking from Disney employees.
Speaker 1: And there's tunnels under the city.
Speaker 2: Of course, right now everyone has whispered about that, but
that's actually true.
Speaker 3: You can watch.
Speaker 2: The there's YouTube videos that actually invest their their old
Disney documentaries that talk about it. Now. Now, the story
is that Walt was just kind of a weirdo and
he liked to He would he would just go from
one end to the other and pop up, you know,
he would pop up and check in on everybody, make sure.
But I mean, who knows what was really going on.
He seemed he seemed to be a very odd character,
and he was. You know, Disney was was involved in
filming prop again all the way back into World War two.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Donald Duck had him do anything on
taxes for the Treasury Department.
Speaker 2: Of the Ward.
Speaker 1: Get people adjusted to withholding and paying your taxes without
protesting because there's a war to fight. They did all
the animation I think for the why films these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this mythology that Disney was not to any
aided Jews or whatever, But actually ben I Breath gave
Walt Disney Man of the Year award a long time. Yeah.
I'm not sure I believe that story, but I think
that it was basically just high level uh, you know,
Pentagon type work. Uh. And Disney, you know, reportedly had
access to Laurel Canyon Studios as well, which you know,
we don't know exactly what all was being filmed there,
but there there is a lot of interesting Disney space
age stuff. Back in the you know, sixties and seventies,
Disney was very instrumental in promoting the did the the
NASA stuff. And I don't think it's accidental that NASA
and Disney are both in Florida, mm hmm, very prominently
and a gigantic Air Force base basically the whole you.
Speaker 1: Know, there's Space Mountain right right in Disney.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but there's a gianta Air Force base. I
drove past it when I was down there too, two
summers ago.
Speaker 3: It's on the.
Speaker 2: Not the it's on the Atlantic side. It's near uh,
it's near NASA. I forget that. I forget what it is.
I can't remember the name of all these bases, but
maybe Aber Natural or something. But there's Yeah, there's all
kinds of just you know, gigantic h you know, Pentagon
military type stuff done there.
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's accidental. I think this is
all you know, as you pointed.
Speaker 2: Out there with the CIA.
Speaker 3: Helping to found Disney through these fake cities.
Speaker 1: Well that just kind of makes the connection between you know,
a you know, the intelligencies and entertainment it uh, movies
and these things.
Speaker 2: Uh. Well it was Gregory Bates and that said that
the key to controlling man's capturing his imagination something to
that effect.
Speaker 3: I believe that's a Gregory Bates in quote.
Speaker 1: And again, the SA is more interested in anthropology and
culture and these things, aren't, you know, Cloak and Dagerr stuff.
We just kind of recover they're really interesting, which is
culture creation. But you get that with you know, Chris
John Adams, don anything about the cooking shows Chris, Tom
Seconder has done.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: Tom second talked a lot about just Hollywood and your
book Esoteric Hollywood is a big section on the CIA's
involvement in Hollywood, and that's just that's overt there's a
more esotery, I think, and that's the problem with all
these things is a lot, because if you're trying to
understand how the world operates, you just can't be fixated
on what's on the obvious the exoteric. It's the esoteric,
and you have to sort of engage in some level
of inference or ex or you know, because what is
the actual effect of all these things? You know, not
can find a memo that says Cia orders Disney to
put at this film. You know, so we turned girls
into whoores. You know, it's not that direct, but nevertheless
it's happening, and we're kind of seeing this alchemical reverse
alchemy going on throughout society. Just go walk walk into
a shopping mall these days and look at the people.
Speaker 2: I you know, I spent a lot of time into
researching this stuff, and you learn new things every day.
For example, I just learned this last week. I had
no idea John C. Lily of MK ultra fame doctor Lilly, uh,
you know, known for the flipper stuff like giving LSD
to the dolphins. I had no idea that John C.
Lily has a whole book called Programming and Meta Programming
where he literally talks about dosing kids with LSD and
that you can tap into their subconscious and literally give
them a program script. I had never heard it. Did
you know he had the book that literally says that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not surprised by it, though, how is this
guy not he should be hauled in for child abuse?
Speaker 3: But then you think, well, Alfred Kinsey can do the
same studies.
Speaker 1: So now you get on the cover of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a good point.
Speaker 2: Yet, now do I know for certain that there's a
sex kitten program. I don't know that for certain, but
I know there's Alfred Kinsey research, and I know that
there's a John C. Lilly book on dosing kids with
l LSD and how to program them. And you put
two and two together, I could see how there could
be such a thing. So I wouldn't be surprised if
it didn't go that deep. But but yeah, I mean there's,
like you said, you kind of have to infer on
a metal level, the possibility of you know, you could
you could combine the kind of approach that Lily takes
with Kinz or something like that, and you could easily
see how you know, the CIA probably did do some
kind of study on how to create a good girl
who turns into a whoror through mind control who knows.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they just apply to entertainment, which you
see planted out almost universal with these Disney girls that
come out of the Disney stables.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, it's.
Speaker 1: What you know, do you think it's all just a
coincidence that's having It's some sort of programming that's going
on there, and.
Speaker 2: It really is to wreck wreck the kids. That's what's
so praised about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I've talked about a couple of times,
think with you both other guests, is that there is
there you know, the US Public Health Service, working with
the Sage Racial Sage Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and used
Department of Health and these things, talked about how promoting
the AIDS scared, Yeah, would be utilized to implement their
h A x D program, a very graphic sex ed
program that otherwise parents would would oppose, but the AID
scare uh enable them to implement the program for the
for the very purposes of changing the students' more's and
attitudes and values towards sex. He corrupting them, sexualizing the youth. Right,
So that's that's a that's just to the education system. Now, obviously,
through the entertainment systems can be a little different, but
these are the same people that run the entertainment system.
They can implement it differently, and you can see it
being implemented through Disney, or through the re or through
music itself. I mean, that's.
Speaker 2: But but it's This is a great point that John
and Chris have made too, is that you know, it's
not just TV, uh, it's also theme parks and museums
play a big role in indoctrination. And you know, we
don't tend to think of it that way. We tend
to think of it like, oh, there's a natural history
history museum over there, and or you can in your
leisure time and go visit Disneyland over there. But actually
that both of these will be teaching a unified approach.
Speaker 3: A great example, I remember going.
Speaker 2: When I went to go here that that Tarplely debate
back in twenty ten or eleven in DC, and I'd
never been to the Aerospace Museum.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And when you go in there, you walk in and you.
Speaker 2: See that dinky Apollo stuff.
Speaker 3: And I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: I've told the story many times, but most of the
crowd was just sitting there, like I don't think that
really went to the moon. Look at that thing. That
thing looks dinky. That's what the crowd was saying. But
you know, I guess that's the power Propaganda's yes.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So then when you go upstairs, there's this giant I'm
not kidding, it's a giant Lucifer cloven hoofed if I
remember mural, and it says I think it says Apollo,
and it's like, you know, it's supposed to be like
the god Apollo. Or you walk in through this exhibit
and it's it's all this space stuff. And so what
I'm getting at is just that you can't come away
with away from that without thinking, you know, as well
as the rest of d C. You know, like Chris
always points out, is that this is like one giant
pedagogical tour that I'm on mm.
Speaker 1: Hm and yeah, and the tourists that come there from
the benighted Midwest. You know, well, I've seen this on TV.
Speaker 2: You've come to the Land of the Gods with the
giant apotheosized, you know, George Washington up there, and the
giant Abraham Lincoln that you pointed out, what is he
like fifty feet? Yeah, these are the gods or something.
Speaker 1: This is these in his Greek temple and wow, yeah exactly.
And then you think, if you, if you're like a
sensible republic, this is how you want to view your politicians.
I mean, does any serious historian ever present Lincoln in that? Will? Some?
Do some? Do you know, Doris con scared winning your
typical typical court historians? But really, come on, I mean
it's an insult everyone's intelligence. This isn't reality. So why
would you want to partake your kids to these museums
and present this as real as as a good understanding
of history really occurred. O oppose the as opposed that
the propaganda.
Speaker 2: You know. Oh, here's another interesting point I would mention too,
to connect the LSD. That is something I've just learned.
Back even in the fifties, a lot of Hollywood and uh,
Disney artists, they were all tripping out. They were all
using acid because it was pretty new, h uh. And
a lot of the Disney artists were doing it. And
there's that there's even that co production between Salvador Dali
and Disney. Have you ever seen that cartoon? Uh?
Speaker 1: I think I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's not Fantasia, it's something else.
Speaker 2: I forget what it's called, but it's it's kind of
an underground, uh as, a cult following type thing because
it's so weird, you know, given Salvador Dolly's yeah influence.
And then but if I recall that was that was
both Walt and Dolly were you know, probably tripping out
doing that. Other Disney artists were using LSD and a
lot of the Hollywood. In fact, there was a story
I saw that Carry Grant did acid like some outrageous number,
like a thousand times something crazy. He was just constantly
doing acid. And you wouldn't you think about that being sixties?
Speaker 3: Right? The Beatles introduced that, Oh you know LSD. That's
Tim Larry.
Speaker 2: Actually there was a lot of Hollywood people doing acid
back in the fifties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was because, yeah, the there was with George
Hunter White, Operation Midnight Climax and the safe houses up
there at San Francisco, and it was the sixties, the
well the mas dos had started with the rock and
roll phase and these dynasy and rock festivals, right Owsley
Elsie Stanley or something.
Speaker 2: Correct, right, you know. But but the reason I mentioned
that is just that that's another connection that you can
make between mk ulture because LSD was a product of
mc ultra for the most part, and it might even
be the case that it was being given to because
it was new. It was like a you know, elite thing.
Here's this new drug. Oh, the Huxleys have done this.
You know, they've been talking about it over in England
for a long time. You know. So there were the
Jets that was doing it in the fifties, you know,
whether by design or not, I'm not sure. Probably it's probably.
Speaker 3: Probably Tavistock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that had already kind of pioneered that.
Speaker 1: Did you met that? The was that new Disney program,
uh where you get you go into Disney and they
track everything you buy where you go, and you've embrace
that identifies you. So the characters can can know your kid's.
Speaker 2: Name, whoa I have not, But that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: So Goofy comes, you know, is it on a first
name basis with your kid? Well, and and all this
is see he goes back. You know, this whole day
of you know, the Disney being the model for the
controlled you know system for.
Speaker 2: The yes and the last time that I went, uh
was I did it? Just to analyze the whole the
whole thing. And when you when you write EPCOT, if
you don't recall or if you if you haven't done it,
you go through the phases of the history of man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they have the things.
Speaker 2: Well, it ends in the matrix the end of EPCOT. Now,
is you entering into the matrix.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have the dinosaurs and the monks working there
and exactly yeah.
Speaker 2: And then right before, right before the matrix, is this
little nerd tinkering in his garage. It's Bill Gates and
he's built he's building the computer. And then and then
the next space says you entering the matrix.
Speaker 1: Man, So I mean you uh again, you might have
about Hollywood, and of course Hollywood's rolling all this, uh
Disney obviously he's a big part of Hollywood now too
because of the movies they control. How many studios are
they own now, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not sure, but I mean, you know they own Star
Wars and Marble, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. And of course the whole superhero
beam might think is a huge part of a you
know this agenda, Yes, absolutely, you know, you can, you
can I think ultimate. I think it's also demoralizing because
it makes people think the only way you can make
a difference is if you're a superhero.
Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, oh, well, I can't do anything.
I you know, I can't like one of Wonder Woman,
charge a German machine guns and fight them off with
my bracelets. So I have to wait for superhero to
come by.
Speaker 2: I think, I think this whole super hero that's an
interesting point.
Speaker 3: I haven't thought about that.
Speaker 2: But I also think you could argue that you're seeing this,
you know, in the last ten years, this huge rise
in cosplay, people adopting LARPing live action role Yeah. Yeah,
that I've talked about that, John, John and Chris have
talked about that. And what this is doing is really
on a mass gale like we've never seen before. People
are adopting the synthetic life that they live on the side. No,
I think what's going to happen. As I said in
a few a few interviews and shows that if you
watch The New West World, Michael Crichton was actually predicting
that in the future you would have have entire parks
would become like that, like what you're talking about with
Goofy coming up and knowing your kid, it's even gonna
go beyond that. There's gonna be you know, who knows
what there's I mean, there's gonna be there's probably gonna
be AI bots and sex bots at parks that will
be whatever you can think of.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the sex angle is probably
the convenience and sex. That's how they get you.
Speaker 2: They're going to combine it though, with these kinds of
live action stories like are you familiar with the Old
West World?
Speaker 1: You know with Yeah, with Bill Brenner, Yeah, and uh,
what's his name from Goodbye Columbus? Richard Benjamin and the
guy from Who's the other guy?
Speaker 2: I can't remember?
Speaker 1: He was in the Marcus Well b MD. And he
was also in Capricorn One by the way.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know James James Brolin. James Brolin okay, yeah, so yeah,
that was on my as a kid, is one of
my favorite movies.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, Yeah. I think that's what we're We're
literally going to see stuff like that develop in the future.
I mean, it's not just accidental that they're Yeah, the
Disney's created these these entire cities and planned communities. I
think it's it's they're gonna they're going to integrate the
virtual worlds with our world and it's all gonna be
just for control. And I think people are gonna sign
on to this.
Speaker 1: Well, they will because it's so easy. I mean, think
about pornography and its weaponizations used as a political weapon
to enslave you because it cites the passions. And once
you become a slave your passions, uh, you have what's it?
You know, as many uh man, as many masters as
he has vices, as Saint Augustine said, right, and this
was Michael Jennes I made this point in his book
Lilibitta da Monandi, is that this is a foreign political
control because once you lose your passions, you lose your
your critical faculties, and you can longer govern yourself and
your slave to your passions and those who satisfy the
passions or desires or appetites that can control you. Now,
pornography itself wasn't really a faction to the development of
modern photography, particularly film, yes, Ickelodeon.
Speaker 2: By the way, I would like to mention that neither
Michael Hoffman or E. Michael Jones are very consistent in
there fact that both Augustin and Aquinas believe that you
should have whorehouses, that they should be sanctioned by the state, as.
Speaker 1: Far as like a pressure valve.
Speaker 2: Yep, but I don't hear. I didn't believe that when
I first read that, or but but they did say that.
Speaker 3: So interesting.
Speaker 1: But the problem with that is, well, okay again, think
about it from the standpoint of the common guy around
seeing the first nickelodeon and you could pop in a
nickel and watch a girl undress continuing front of you.
What a shock that is, uh, to your senses and
to your you know, your attitude, your view about things
with pornography, the effect of pornography itself on society, what
it's done. Now, if you raise a generation on pornography
and uh, you know, highly sexualized environment entertainment, you're warping
that person's development uh as a as a maturity being,
particularly the males. But it accounts for both male and
female affects them differently.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: Now you have a highly sexualized culture their uh you know,
their neck deep in pornography. They never develop a normal
They can never develop a normal relationship with the opposite
sex or have real realististic expectations they have this sort
of this playboy you know, glossy air brush reality of sex.
This isn't real in no other way. They have to
go through the the effort of having a relationship with
a real female, which requires work.
Speaker 2: Their overall points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine the world of highly sophisticated sex spots.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying is yeah, that's kind of yeah.
And I was actually saying some articles this week about uh,
there are already in supposedly these maybe fake stories, but
I would be surprised. In Japan there's already guys marrying
their sexpot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And but I mean, just think if you could
enter into a virtual reality and have before you a
girl that looks like Raquel Welch in her prime, and
she's always agreeing with you, and she's doing whatever she
wants at any time. You don't have to you know,
she doesn't she never gets pregnant.
Speaker 2: Well, they'll probably say, you know, you can come live
in West World, you know, down here in Florida if
you sign on to be sterilized.
Speaker 1: Long as it's the contract right, and people will obviously
with the uh you'll see that with the growth of
a sectomies and also the use of the birth control pill.
Speaker 2: Come live your cause, play dream and you know, cause
play world Ysney or you can you.
Speaker 1: Know, and of course you know signing under that basically
you're you're really are, You're you're just getting on board
the the road to uh to the death camps one
way or another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to ensure that you don't go into the future.
Speaker 1: But you can again this this is done through entertainment.
This is done through the media, the movies, these things.
People's perception of reality is through the movies. That's why
Hollywood is so important. That's what you when your book
Esoteric Hollywood is so important because people's understanding of these
things really is increasingly through this. Uh, well, not so
much through the movies. Now. I think you said of
listening to your interview on Red Ice when you're talking
about your book Esoteric Hollywood, talking about it's gonna change,
just like how you know, the movies changed, radio didn't
get rid of it changed it, and TV changed the movies,
and now the internet's changing virtuality gaming, this thing is
changing the movies. Have movies now look more like video games.
But this interactive thing is particularly interesting because that's going
to change the whole nature of entertainment, and not to
change nature entertainment. It's the gamification of reality.
Speaker 2: What we're saying, Yeah, this is all really I think
it's going to be handed over to the technocrats and
the facebooks and the Googles. You know, they're going to
have a much greater role in what's going to happen
with entertainment. We're actually already seeing the inklings of that
with not just Netflix and streaming sites Amazon Prime, but
actually with YouTube is beginning to try to adopt this model.
This is part of the whole ad apocalypse debacle of
the last several months that everybody who's had a YouTube
channel has experienced. And the prevailing theory is that what
YouTube is doing is instituting well, they're allowing all kinds
of content that people are going to find objectionable so
that people will call for hm, call for the censorship.
And then what that will do is allow YouTube to
to basically censor anything relevant or any alternative media, any
of the you know, the organic media that everyone is
actually drawn to. Then the censorship is going to be
the transition into YouTube becoming a streaming service just like Netflix.
That's what's going to happen. They're already starting it. So
that's not going to be good for those of us,
you know, with YouTube channels that make money off of
it and stuff like that. But you know what, what
did we expect. It's not like we expected the the
establishment to continue, you know, allowing truth channels to make
you know, a lot of money every month.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna allow that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they shut it down through the demonetizing you and.
Speaker 2: Through supposed censorship because you're never told what terms they're
flagging you for.
Speaker 3: You have no idea.
Speaker 2: You don't know if it's because you said, you know,
in a you could quote a news article and your
your channel gets demonetized. Yeah, and eventually it'll be they'll
they'll take down the videos. They'll say that your video
contains you know, inappropriate content, which will be as a
result of Google and YouTube allowing inappropriate content on purpose
so that they could have the reason to censor people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'll use the copyright excuse, an intellectual profit excuse.
They've done as internationally to break down national borders, right, Yeah,
they've done that, same with they've done with banking, you know.
And cast onsin Fits made a point a while back
regarding regulation, how we all know that the regulations don't
apply to the elite, but they're there too, more or
less to harvest the text to bleed and just to
frustrate those at the mid level. And uh again that's
one way to stifle competition. Was another way again that
everything can be harvested and taken away eventually the wealth.
You can't just take it all at once, you take
away gradually. Common Core again, this is part of the
education approach. Is common core itself. Just through the interview
a while back regarding common Core with doctor Farrell, Yeah,
I heard it, yeah about this all part of of
data collection, all part of technocracy, because everything is all
the information is being your your electronic testing data service.
Electronic data Testing Data Service has a direct tie to
m care Alter through the Human Ecology Fund, and it.
Speaker 2: Was that's how they would they would be able to
profile and figure out, you know, who might be useful
in certain things that you know, we were talking about
that in terms of Phoenix programs. Yeah, finding a psychopathic individuals.
Speaker 1: And of course with just with the improvement technology data collection,
data analysis, and storage, uh, you know, all this becomes
more effective. Yeah, Phoenix program. It was a testing program
for the Department and for Homeland Security to prototypical program.
You know, you create a civil war, you know, arena fear.
Same thing that's done in the United States with terrorism,
applied differently, of course, because Vietnam is different than North
America and the situation is different. Castronson fits in the
forward to the common Core book talks about Obamacare doing
just It's basically it's way of sucking out the money
out of the medical system from local areas because the
medical staff people that the administrative element of medicine, the
people that run that the doctor's offices. As medicine becomes
more corporatized as individual practices are shut down, doctors go
to work for mega corporations, and Obamacare is a big
part of that, because it's becoming too onerous for individual
doctors to run their own practice, so they go to
work for megacorp exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did finally get around to getting that Nancy Banks book,
you know, which deals with the relationship ship to to history.
Speaker 1: Medicine, diamonds. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And once you understand and what there we go once again.
We're back to Arkansas and let's not forget by the way, Mina, Arkansas. Yes,
and the selection the selection of Bill.
Speaker 1: Who some say is related to Winthrop Right.
Speaker 2: Well, if you if you walk down the Strip and
Hot Springs, there's a very ridiculous looking cartoon, like a
giant billboard. That's a cartoon drawing of Broklyn welcoming you.
But he looks really I mean, it's a really badly
drawn cartoon. It's it's it's kind of funny, but.
Speaker 1: It's like a put little cartoon type Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2: But isn't that telling for the you know, you have
you have the big mobsters, you have the medium mobsters,
and then you have the frontmen politicians.
Speaker 1: M h yeah, I was a well literally on we
were talking about consumerism, and consumer is used to break
down sort of culture, break down these firewalls that they
exist in other countries and also locally and h I
ran this quote here from the old All in the
Family show Archie Bunker is they're commiserating with Edith about
the Democrats that he's playing with the Democrats because this
is the late seventies and Jimmy Carter's in office. Of course,
you know, Archie Bunker was the Republican blue collar Republican
mm hmmm, which is kind of funny because you know,
up until the seventies, blue calls were associated with Democrats.
But that's kind of what was going on in Poltant
domestic politics at the time. The red light, the red
left to or sorry, the right left paradigm being shifted
around by the cultural people of the nineteen sixties. But
he's just he's talking to eat and he goes, you know,
I don't know what's going what's going on here at
this time. It's during the supposed the energy crisis, of course,
another crisis that was created non exist by builder book, right.
So you know, for years they've been telling us to
buy stuff. You know, they use energy, electric ovens, electric knives, stereos.
Not to mention the cars. He goes, and after all
the corporations make their billions, they change signals on us,
you know, and after years of telling us we can't
live without this stuff that we they tell us that
we got to live without it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it isn't that interesting from consumerism and gluttony basically
to us. Yeah, and austerity is that banker trick?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that sort of the Club of Rome
type thing, the environmental thing, which is why that's another
way they convince people to give up their sovereignty, to
accept a miseration, to be impoverished, you know, to live
in megacities and.
Speaker 2: Yes, you need a coffin box apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's it's all trendy. It's very tony
because it's you know, if you're twenty one years old
and you can live in a foreigner squarel foot.
Speaker 2: Apartments and eat ram and noodles fake food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not think about the long term consequences because
you're eating like that and you're not going to live
past fifty anyway if you're loving you know, you know,
so what's funny thing. But again, what's interesting by Prasinski
was he's at this high level, he's talking about geostrategy,
but it all but it all plays down. It all
trickles down to media, the food we eat, the commercials
we watch, the music we listen to.
Speaker 2: That's what's important about Brazenski is that, you know, I
still run into people who get very offended by the
things I talk about, or that they get mad or
they you know, various reactions that I mean, most of
the most people don't. Most people are to some degree
kind of on board with you know, something's wrong out there,
But every now and then I still run into two
people who just can't deal with it, and sometimes actually,
you know, intelligent people. It's not just goofballs. But the
reason Brazenski is so crucial is that he is, you know,
one of the few figures that pretty much touches on everything. Yeah,
you know in some way roughly, you know, he talks
about manipulation of religion, manipulation through technology, k culture type stuff.
He'll talk about, you know, false flag stuff. I mean,
he's not going to outright say false flag, but he's
going to talk about utilizing means of decailization. He really
does in many ways and capsule late, he's really the
the you know, if the wet dream of the conspiracy
there is if you want the guy to go to
as your proof, you can't find anyone better than Brazenski.
Speaker 1: Here's yeah. But here's a question for you though. And
this is what I was talking to the Collins brothers
about Brazinski because I interviewed him roughly at the same
time that he passed away. So one of the other
thoughts on Brazinski, and one of the things they mentioned was, well, uh,
they kind of agreed with Michael Jones' analysis. Michael Jones
said that the Russian the Soviet Union lasted as long
as pretty much the life of one man, seventy five years,
and so there's these it's sort of there's a it's
sort of mortal, you know, as soon as the older
generation passed away, it kind of faded away. And they
said that Brazienski himself, the passing in Persiski might represent
the same theme regarding the global elite. That's certain. What
we're seeing now is is a reflection of the worldview
of the David Rockefellers, the Kissingers, the Brazenski's, and they're
passing may represent a changing of the guard, the changing
and we might see some shift and policy, which is
I trik it as sort of somewhat optimistic analysis of
of Brazinski and the situation. That's an interesting observation. And
second to that is who's taking their place? I don't
see anyone there the same sort of depth or intellectual acumen, right.
Speaker 2: I think that came out when I was talking to
Patrick about Brazinski, and I think that it passes to
the tech the tech gurus, the Elon Musk's, the Peter Thiel's,
the Schmidts at Google. I think the Regina Dugans of
are put in Google. That's what I think Builderberg has
signified the last few years was the focus on tech.
So that's that's why I think is going to take
the reins. Now. I would guess that means that they
probably think that they can go ahead and transition into
you know, AI running things, giant smart cities.
Speaker 1: So automated tyranny.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. The CEO of IBM, you know, she gives
those lectures start, So I think that's where they're going
to pass the reins to. Whether that will be successful,
I guess really depends on, you know, what man chooses
to do. But unfortunately, it looks like we're we're going
into that. I think there is a reason to be
optimistic though, because I think people are going to they're
going to have reaction to this. They're going to start
realizing that a lot of this isn't before they're good
the the utopia that it promises, it doesn't deliver, just
like just like Sovietism promised this kind of you know,
cosmism and utopia, it doesn't deliver it. Yeah, So in
that regard, I think there's hope. And also I think
that if you have a if you believe in some
sort of theological position, or if you have a worldview
like that, then you believe that that man is more
than just a plastic entity to be crafted through some
sort of mechanized Darwinism. And I think that from H. G.
Wells on, these characters have kind of had that view
of plasticity of man, that you can mold man to
to be whatever you want, which is to say that
he doesn't have a soul or a psyche or an
individual identity beyond biology and brain matter. But I think
humans have I think humans are made the image of God.
So I don't I don't think that we have to despair,
and you know, think that that the technocrats will will
win because technocracy ultimately is empty. It doesn't offer anything
beyond some sort of immediate, an immediate form of making
life easier. That's really what that's really all technology can
do easier, and just just making things easier doesn't actually
provide man with any kind of meaning or transcendent connection.
And I think that humans are always going to desire,
you know, metaphysics and a transcendent connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because obviously we observe through physical exertion we are healthier.
So at some level easier becomes actually a detriment.
Speaker 2: Year that's a good point exactly.
Speaker 1: And we all know that hard, hard work creates characters,
so we all know. So, uh, there's a point where
obviously you don't want to, you know, make a fetish
out of hard labor. And there's a point you know,
but people, there is a sense of accomplishment we get,
whether it's you know, through exercise and get results through exercise,
maintaining you're healthy that way. Same thing applied to the spiritual,
and there's a connection between the body and the spirit.
Speaker 2: And no matter how many AI bots you bring to power,
I mean, you're always going to have to need. I mean,
you can build a bot to work on a bot,
but who's going to work on that bot? I mean
you're always going to need, don't. I don't know that
they're ever going to achieve this kind of whatever utopia
they have in mind.
Speaker 1: And there's no exhilaration feeling asking about out on the
first date it saying yes.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I think even if this happens,
humans are eventually going to kind of be bored with
it mm hmm, because it's it's not going to be
able to offer, you know, what it promises. So anyway,
that's I think that's all I've got tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's good, okay. Yeah, So that's the bit
bersiskey technocracy and the slave grid that they're all trying
to pose upon us. I want to thank you Jay
for spending the time to talk with me.
Speaker 2: Thank you too.
Speaker 1: I'll let you it's Jay's analysis jasonalysis dot com. He's
the author of Esoteric Hollywood Sex Calls and Symbols and Film.
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Speaker 1: And are you still signing copies?
Speaker 2: I am, okay, the fact type I still mail them
every week and I think I have almost ninety five
star reviews.
Speaker 1: Now great, excellent. Yeah, it is a great book. And
to understanding what we're talking about tonight, reading Esoteric Hollywood
is a must because the entertainment, the films, the movies,
these seems the creation of reality or the perception of
reality is key to uh keeping anyone, you know, keeping
control of this, you know, making everyone I guess a
submit or acquiesce to these things.
Speaker 2: So okay, thank you, thank you for your great podcast,
and I've learned a lot from your show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, al I'll bid you, uh farewell for now,
and we'll talk again soon in the near future.