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into the Surely you can't be serious podcast. Welcome back,
ladies and gentlemen. We are back with Amanda Janek got
my co host here, Jason. We're here to talk about
Twilight Zone the movie and Creep Show Part two. Not
Creep Show Part two, but this is their second episode
on comparing these two original anthology movies.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think about the.
Speaker 3: Anthology makeup of a movie? Like, how do you like
these when it's instead of being a complete story arc?
Because we were Jason and I were talking about this
a couple of weeks ago. This isn't the only Stephen
King movie that is an anthology. We also have Kat's Eye,
which I think it's I mean, I remember as being
fantastic because those stories, to me are a little bit
more of a Twilight Zone end they were made think more.
Speaker 4: You got Tales from the Dark Side too, which yeah,
I'm not a big fan of, but I love I
think I already said this, but I love the whole
anthology aspect. I have very short attention span, you guys
like super short attention span, So these short stories I
can keep actively engaged. I like how they wrap up
pretty quickly. Sometimes, yes, you want more, you want more
details or certain stories, certain segments that you could be
fleshed out a lot more into a full feature film.
But personally I like the anthology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. I like Stephen King's short story books.
To me are almost his best work because he does
not care about the main character living throughout the entire
thing or you know whatever. He's not afraid to kill
anybody off or do tragic things to every character, and
he's just free to kind of tell this interesting story.
So the anthology really works for me. So we left
off last time we were talking about Creep Show. We
talked about the casting of Creep Show, how there were
a bunch of people who were you know, not it
was pre their heyday or post their heyday about to
be their heyday again, like with Leslie Nielsen.
Speaker 3: But what about Twilight Zone? We talked. I just did
the intro in my terrible Rod Serling impression. I also
love that it's Albert Brooks and dan Aykroyd, and I
love that they're talking like they're going over the episodes
that they love, because one of my favorite episodes is
the Burgess Meredith episode where he's frustrated at humanity because
they keep bothering him. All he wants to do is read,
and then there's a nuclear war and then he's got
nothing but time to read his books, and.
Speaker 2: Then he steps on his reading glasses. Yeah. That's a
good one. Oh man, that's great.
Speaker 4: That's one of the first examples we have of a
movie being met up about itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, that's a great point because it's so meta that
immediately after the prologue they go through that intro that
Rod Serling used to do, and the one doing the
intro is Burgess Meredith, the guy who was in that episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And when they play the guest saying game with the
theme songs and stuff, they even hum the theme song
from Twilight Zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not only that, they're talking about whether it was
a Twilight Zone or an Outer Limits, which they were
like the competitors, right.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch The Outer Limits until later. I don't
know they didn't. It wasn't as popular as the Twilight
Zone when I was younger, But then I feel like
Nick at Night or something like that had the Outer
Limits and there were some good episodes. But I will
tell you the Twilight Zone episode that I remember the
most is to Serve Man. Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 2: One recognize the name?
Speaker 3: But well, so the premise is like this alien race
comes down and it's funny. They all look like the
Jaws from Moon Rinker. What's that guy's name.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they have the big Richard keel, they have
the big.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, gigantic syndrome whatever. Anyway, they but they don't
obviously they're not speaking English, and they've got this book
that they've presented to humanity and the codebreakers from the
war like trying to figure out their language, and they
and they're like, well, we've we've figured out that the
title is to Serve Man, right, right, and it's and
it's like they're all excited because it's like, okay, they've
come here to help us, right, And they're they're loading
people up to take them off to this new paradise, right,
And people are going by the hundreds into the spaceship
to go off to this new paradise where they're going
to be served by the aliens.
Speaker 2: And then the.
Speaker 3: Climax of the story. The climax of the story is
we've deciphered the rest of the book.
Speaker 2: It's a cookbook.
Speaker 3: It's a cookbook. And the guy is running around and
that same guy is in naked gun. He is one
of the bad guys in Naked Gun And at some
point there's this chaotic scene. And in that scene in
Naked Gun, he's got a book that says to serve
man and he's running around screaming it's a cookbook. It's
a cookbook. Really, I saw Naked Gun like I've seen
that Twilight Zone episode.
Speaker 2: I know that one. Oh wow, we talk about we
talk about Creep Show two for just a second, yes
we can, before we dive full force into Twilight Zone.
Creep Show two. What do you think about that one, Amanda?
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it. Yeah. Again, I think
I'm in the minority with that because clearly it wasn't
as popular, it's not as highly regarded. Only three stories,
but two of those three I think are really strong.
I really like them a lot. But again, a lot
of things with me boiled down a nostalgia. You know,
it's like I just watched it like a year ago,
and I'm like, holds out, totally holds up for me.
Speaker 2: So you and I were talking about the story the raft.
Speaker 3: I can remember with absolute clarity, absolute clarity, the climactical
scene of that particular segment, because I was about sixteen
or seventeen years old, I was over at a friend's
house stay in the night. They had fallen asleep. It
comes on on showtime or something like that. I'm like, okay,
I'm not tired, I'll just sit here and watch this
or whatever. And she's wearing a shirt, by the way,
that's a throwback. Do you do you remember this?
Speaker 4: No, I remember the shirt.
Speaker 3: The shirt is for the university from the crate like
in the Yes, it's like, I don't remember. It starts
with an H the whatever it is. Anyway, she's wearing
a university shirt that is from that university where they're
going to great But anyway, eventually a dude is taking
that shirt off of her as they're stuck out there
because there's a monster in the water. And yes, and
she starting blob chasing. Maria starts moaning and stuff. And
do you remember what you told me? I was, I said,
I remember the raft and you were like.
Speaker 2: It's like it's the biggest boner killer of all time.
Speaker 3: Terrible. I mean, I'm sixteen years old, I'm watching this.
I'm like, yes, I've got all right, this is whoa,
Oh my god, what just happened? Oh it was terrible. Yes,
for those of you who don't know. She's moaning and
groaning because the creature has sucked her face and is
almost pulling her through the raft.
Speaker 2: Yes, that actually is a very good story because at
the very end of that one, you think the guys
made it, and then the creature's like nope, what oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: A big slash garbage bag. Yeah. I love the third segment.
And it's funny because like, my mom would pick us
up somewhere, me and my friends or whatever, she picked
me up from school or whatever, and it was always
thanks for the ride, lady. We would say that all
the time, Thanks for the.
Speaker 2: Ride lady, Thanks for the right Lady, which that starred
Lois Childs, who was doctor Goodhead and Moonraker Doctor Goodhead.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Stephen King is the second best name character
namer in the world.
Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, let's get back to the Twilight
Zone where there are one, two, three. There are four segments,
not including a prologue and an epilogue. So you mentioned.
The prologue has Albert Brooks and dan ackroid and they're
talking about the Twilight Zone, the outer Limits, and then
dan Ackroyd's like, do you want to see something really scary.
Speaker 3: It's a great moment because because Albert Brooks. Before that,
you know, their tape deck goes out, which is fantastic.
I love to see the tape shoot out of the
tape deck. We've all had it happen right right, And
and but then he just rips the tape out. I'm like,
what kind of maniac?
Speaker 2: Are Like?
Speaker 3: No, you gotta they got to like get a packet
knife and you get to try to pry that thing
out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, better hope you have a number two pencil.
Speaker 3: So, so what they do before they start doing the
let's do this sing the TV theme songs is he's like, oh,
let's pretend that it wasn't the tape deck that went out.
Let's pretend that it was the lights that went out.
And he turns the lights out in the car and
it's freaking dan akroid out and you can see dan
Akroyd getting upset at this game that Albert books is
playing with the headlights driving through the middle of.
Speaker 2: The night off. Yeah, it's it would make me mad
if you were doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'd be like, cut that crap out.
Speaker 2: That's right, you gotta kill us. Yeah. And so then
as after the theme song.
Speaker 3: Moment we finally arrive at the Twilight Zone conversation and
he finally dan Akroyd's like, you want to see something
really scary? Yeah, oh, brilliant, and then.
Speaker 2: You have a great jump scare right there. It does
seem a little bit out of place for the Twilight Zone,
but it does kind of get us for the entrance
of the movie.
Speaker 4: Right, do you think No, I agree, I think that
the makeup's kind of lappable, but you know, it's it's
a good moment. I think it's great. Do you guys
think that they know each other or do you think
that you pick him up.
Speaker 3: As a hitchhiker there's some sort of weird they're not
familiar with each.
Speaker 4: Other weird energy, right, yeah, Because like my entire memory
of that is it's two friends on a road trip,
and then when I revisited it at this time, I'm like,
there's something weird there, almost like they almost don't know
each other and they're getting to know each other.
Speaker 2: It's almost like dan Aykroyd is Bill Bixby.
Speaker 4: Into the Hulk instead of that.
Speaker 3: Right, he's wondering and then we got the Bulk music. Oh,
all that he should have said to Albert Books, you
shouldn't make me scared.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't like me.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
Speaker 2: So then we get kicked off into our first segment.
It's called time out. So you've got this guy named Bill.
He goes into a bar to meet his friends, and
he's super upset that he didn't get a promotion and
feels like the reason why he got passed over was
because certain groups of people get preferential treatment within his job,
and so he's super bigoted and super racist about what
he feels about these types of people, and the black
guys at the table next to him a little.
Speaker 3: Tired of it.
Speaker 2: They get a little tired of it, but I thought
they remained pretty dagnam cool. And he was.
Speaker 3: Stephen Williams, Yeah, I noticed that too.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, dude, that's the trooper from the
Blues Brothers.
Speaker 4: Twenty one Jump Street. I was like, Oh, I thought
he played it very cool because he should have had
his you know, head clogoff. But they played it cool.
It's awful. It's an awful string of dialogue.
Speaker 2: Yes, did you know the Vic morro Is Jennifer Jason
Lee's father.
Speaker 3: I did. Yeah. On his tombstone, it says to me
he was dad. To everyone else, he was vic And
I have to think that probably was her that nice.
Speaker 2: After this barrage of terrible, just venom groups of people,
he goes outside the bar and it's like he's dropped
off in Germany. Yeah, and there's the SS asking for
papers and like, you know, you're a Jew and.
Speaker 3: Do you recognize that guy?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I didn't. Kai Wolf is his name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny because we just talked. Amanda just
talked about have you seen the Three Amigos lately? And
she thinks it's terrible. He is the German guy, He's
the guy loved who loved ned.
Speaker 2: He's the German. Yes, he's one of three.
Speaker 3: Yes, and he's shooting his gun up into this guy
just like he did in the Three Amigos.
Speaker 2: Wow, yep, Okay. So Big Morrow's character Bill is running
from the SS or from the Nazis, and next thing
you know, he's in Vietnam and he's he's hiding, you know,
he's in wartime Vietnam, and here come the American soldiers,
which I thought was kind of a bold statement at
the time told you we shouldn't killed I know, right, right,
Lieutenant Edemayer.
Speaker 3: Is that what it was?
Speaker 2: Yes, which is a connection to Animal House.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's right.
Speaker 4: That's right, Animal House. But you know, updates on the
characters or whatever, say he went up to Vietnam.
Speaker 2: He was killed by his own men.
Speaker 3: Oh so okay, So just just to cover this, right,
we're talking a John Landis movie Animal House. You got
a connection, a John Landis movie, Blues Brothers. You got
a connection a John Landis movie, The Three Amigo's.
Speaker 2: You got a connection. That's right.
Speaker 3: Like, he goes back to the same people pretty frequently.
I guess if.
Speaker 2: Ola Ray would have showed up from the Thriller video,
that would have been amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the American soldiers see him as a Vietnamese soldier, right,
so they started trying to kill him.
Speaker 3: And then he was supposed to rescue some children. The
original script had him rescuing some children. Yeah, that was
the idea.
Speaker 2: It did not It was.
Speaker 4: Going to be a redemption arc. Yeah, that's how he
was going to see the air of his ways or
we were going to see that. You know, he had
seen the air of way to rescue, the two children
get him on a helicopter.
Speaker 3: And yeah, well let's hold that bit. But we know
that what we got as that first story was a
weaving together of bits of what they had shot before
they shot that helicopter scene because they weren't going to
be able to shoot anything else after the helicopter scene.
Speaker 2: Filming was over for that segment.
Speaker 3: Right by the way, along was one of the Vietnamese
actors in that segment as well.
Speaker 2: Love it, love it. I am curious. I would like
to know what the original script said, because all of
a sudden he's thrush back into Germany and then they
put him on a train and he's like deported.
Speaker 3: Well, you've got the middle part where he's going to
get lynched by the KKK. Oh yeah, without that with
a fantastic performance by John Lark Court Night Fame or
you know night Court Fame or your favorite movie Blind Date,
Blind Dates.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it, James Massacre see Horror Girl in the House.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right there you go. Wow, Now that
part was scary. They were throwing the news over. He's like,
what are you guys doing? Well, I'm not what are
you doing this for? I didn't do anything right. It
was tense, and then all of a sudden he's thrown
back into Germany and then he's loaded on the train.
This segment always felt incomplete, and there's a big reason
for it, and we'll talk about it. It's one of
the most infamous events in Hollywood history. We'll save that
one for later. Okay, didn't you.
Speaker 4: Guys sound it interesting? Though? Like by the third or
fourth situation he was thrown in, it still didn't occur
to him that he's being treated like all the people
that he's hated and been bigoted towards all, you know.
I just thought that was so interesting. It wasn't until
the final scene that all of a sudden something might
have clicked. I mean, the whole time, he's like, I'm
a white guy. I'm a white guy.
Speaker 2: I'm an American.
Speaker 4: I'm white, right, I'm American.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about the second segment. Yep. This one
was directed by Steven Spielberg, the man. This is called
kick the Can. Okay, I got this is the little
nugget I found right before we started recording today. Okay,
So this segment was written by, among others, Richard Matheson, right.
Speaker 3: We talked about Richard Matheson in our Bill and Ted's
Excellent Adventure versus Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey plus number
three whatever that one was, I don't remember. Because he
was the father of Chris Matheson, who co wrote Bill
and Ted's Excellent Adventure with Ed Solomon yep. And he
was the guy who said to his son, this is
this bit right here where they time travel, that's your
best bits. Expand on that, make that your whole movie.
And that's a better movie. There you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. And Richard Bobson also wrote the book
I Am Legend yep. Now. Then also with him, Melissa
Matheson wrote this segment. You remember Melissa Matheson, She related
to Richard Matheson, no different spellings, the same last name. Okay,
she wrote race yourself. I'm bracing e t ah.
Speaker 3: This is Harrison Ford's wife.
Speaker 2: Harrison Ford's ex wife. That's correct. Yeah, you have these
two killer writers. They wrote the most boring snoozefest segment.
My gosh, are you what?
Speaker 3: Yes? Do you agree with him?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I was tearing up. I was tearing up.
Speaker 5: Take me with you you want from a Twilight Zone
episode to be tearing up the yeah, Cy didn't go
at all.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, that's right, that's right. Okay.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm looking at age differently than you guys are,
because all I want to do is go back as well.
I want to go back to nineteen eighty four and
rewatch Creep Show and like Twilight Zone the movie from
the original. That's what I want to do.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: So I felt for these old folks who wanted to
go back, but I also don't want to miss out
on all of the things that I have in life
right now, like my family and raising the family, and
I don't want to have to go through losing people
again like they did. So when it ends, and the
guy who was nothing but a car mudgeon, by the way,
he does look exactly like the grumpy old man that
Jeff Dunham uses as his dummy. He does know it
looks exactly like him. But anyway, when at the end
he's finally found his youth, he's no longer this car mudgeon.
He's kicking the can and Scatman Crothers tells you it's
going to be okay, he's going to get there. That's wonderful.
Not all of the Twilight Zones had to be creepy
or scientific or anything like that. Some of them were
just a pleasant story.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're oh for two, it's a Twilight zone. Wait
a minute, what do you mean for two? Oh for two?
Speaker 3: You didn't like the prologue? No, no, no, I know, sorry,
you didn't look at them.
Speaker 2: I didn't like time out. Okay, right, okay.
Speaker 4: Kick the Can just didn't go anything like I thought
it was going to go at all. I'll tell you
what I thought, and I didn't put two and two
together when I was younger. Were you watching it this time, though,
because again it's been a long time. I totally forgot
most of these, most of them, right. I thought that
he was going to show them all what it was
like to be youthful again, and the next morning, the
house mother or whatever she was, the doctor, the nurse, whatever,
was going to find him all done.
Speaker 2: That's right. I thought that he gave.
Speaker 4: Them a taste of youth, the glory before you die.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen the little kid
who was playing Kick the Can pull a hamstring and
break a hip.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Murray Matheson another matheson in here I think
probably not related to Melissa or to Richard. Okay, he's
the guy that plays mister ag in this segment. Okay,
he's the one who decides to stay young, the one
with the British accent, jumps out the window like Peter
Peter Pan. Yeah right.
Speaker 2: He died the year after this movie came out. A
little kid. Yeah no, the.
Speaker 3: Old man, Oh, the old man.
Speaker 2: Okay. By the way, Scatman Crothers, the Shining doc you
know the connection to The Shining and creep show Stephen King,
well other than Winner you want exactly right? That figured
it out?
Speaker 3: Ig it can I have the gun?
Speaker 2: Here is the other connection. Leslie Nilsen was actually considered
for the role of Jack Torrants in The Shining.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think Stevid King's a little better.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to segment number three. This one's
called It's a Good Life. This one is directed by
Joe Dante of Gremlin's fame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, because you get to see Dick Miller
in there. And if it's if it's Joe Dante, it's
gotta have Dick. Absolutely, that's right. This was written by
Richard Matheson. It stars Kathleen Quinlane, Kevin McCarthy, Nancy Cartwright. Yeah, okay,
if you don't know who Nancy Cartwright is, you know
my Shores Calabunga dude.
Speaker 2: We were sharing a little text thread and her character
gets banished to cartoon World, and I said, this is
kind of ironic because Nancy Cartwright has been in Cartoon
World since nineteen eighty nine exactly as the voice of
Bart Simpson. Right, how about that?
Speaker 3: Fantastic? And then later on I texted you and I said,
did you recognize Kathleen Quinlan And you were like, yes, yes, Well,
so Jason had to watch Val Kilmer in the Doors,
and Kathleen Quinlan's part in that particular movie is kind
of infamous. Yes, the story, Yes, I tell you this, Well, yeah,
she's I will tell you what's happening in the movie.
In the movie, she and Val Kilmer are running around
naked doing weird stuff with witchcraft and blood and all
sorts of stuff. And Jason's watching this in his house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I watched it because I was getting ready
to talk to the guys on the thirty something podcast
about the movie. The doors, and I'm like, what in
the crap is this stupid stuff? I'm watching naked people
and they're doing drugs and they're participating in witchcraft. What
is this I'm watching? And unbeknownst to me, my son
is standing behind me. He's like, whoa, dad, what are
you watching? He's like, is Quinn? He's like, so, he
was like, there's twelve at the time.
Speaker 4: Life lessons. They're a little rough sometimes.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: So in this story, you have Kathleen Quillan, who she's
going to take a teacher position. She stops at this
local diner. She accidentally backs into this little kid on
his bike and she offers to take him home. And
when she takes him home, the people in his home
are so over the top weird that her little radar
goes off, but they won't let her leave, and she's
too polite to force her way out.
Speaker 4: I wish it away, I wish it all the way.
Speaker 2: And the kid is insisting that she stay. Well, it
turns out this kid has all sorts of sort of abilities.
Speaker 3: He has god like power.
Speaker 2: He has god like power. He wishes it and it
is true, and so everybody is super scared of him
because if he doesn't like what you're doing, he could
really do something weird, like throw you into cartoon world
or remove your mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so as he takes her upstairs, it's kind of
this weird effect. He takes her upstairs. We were talking
about the Creep Show, how they were maybe going to
do it in black and white, and then you know
the progression of film across time. When he takes her upstairs,
they're obviously in a black and white world, except they're
still in color, like all the walls and everything else
are still in black white. And then when they get
up there, this girl with her back to them, is
watching a black and white cartoon and he just says, Oh,
that's my other sister. She was in an accident. She
doesn't talk anymore. And then we get from the TV
perspective and we scroll up and we see that she
has no mouth. And so you got something to tell
us about who that actress is?
Speaker 2: Okay, Amanda, do you know who that actress is?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, that is Sherry Curry. She was the lead singer
for The Runaways, Harry BOMs, Joan Jet and lead A Ford.
When I looked at that, I was like, whoa.
Speaker 4: Interesting nice little nugget there.
Speaker 2: And then of course Kevin McCarthy plays the over the
top dad. He's in innerspace, which you get Joe Dante
later on.
Speaker 3: It's right and the other the people playing the parents
are Patricia Berry and William Shallert. They they were both
in original Twilight Zone episodes Cool back in the fifty sixties. Okay,
this episode works for me. I mean, I'm scared to
death of the kid. Have you ever had peanut butter
and amberger? No, it's actually really good. I remember seeing
that when I saw that the first time, and I
was like, that is the most disgusting thing ever. And
I was more picky as a kid, obviously. I was
just like, that is like who thinks of that? That
is a terrible, terrible idea. I can tell you that
about six years ago, someone who I trust said, please
just try it. I am a convert. You put peanut
butter and bacon and a little like spicy like kalapeno
relish on there, and it is fantastic.
Speaker 4: I get the peanut butter bacon thing, but with a burger.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so good. I mean, you don't want mustard
and you don't want mayonnaise on it.
Speaker 4: But the so good i'll it. Did you hear about
the what Dante originally wanted to end or how he
wanted to end the segment? No? What, this is really cool.
This is actually my favorite lugget of this movie. So
originally he wanted it to end where the entire house explodes,
everybody dies, including the kid, except for Helen. She walks out.
She escapes this house, so who knows that this little
boy willed her to escape? It's kind of what you know,
I think was going to be inferred. But she walks
down the road, she hitch hikes, and she gets picked
up by dan ackroyd.
Speaker 2: Oh that would have been really cool.
Speaker 3: That's so much better than the ending that they did, right, because.
Speaker 4: Again we went back to that whimsical it is.
Speaker 3: I just saw you murder everybody, and I'm going to
now teach you, and you're going to teach me, and
we're going to walk in it out what kindergarten ending
to an otherwise really good episode.
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at least we're on the same page on
that one. All right, you ready to move on to
the last one.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: This one's called Nightmare at twenty thousand feet. This is
directed by George Miller.
Speaker 3: Yes, George Miller. He by the way, I think it
is the only director that we have not covered yet.
We talked about Joe Dante when we talked about Grimlins.
We talked about John Landis on multiple movies coming to
America's thriller Animal House, lots of John Landis. We've talked
about Spielberg multiple times, Jaws, Indiana Jones, and Last Crusade, Raiders,
The Lost Start. George Miller, we haven't talked about. We
were going to talk about him because furiosa saga just
came out this past whatever. It was like Mad Max, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think it was may or something like that, and
I was excited about it, and I was like, I'm
gonna go watch all of these movies, and I did.
I watched every single one of the Mad Max movies.
I had never seen them before, got all excited to
watch Fury Road, and then it all fell apart and
we didn't do it. It's kind of bummed out. But
George Miller is an incredible director, but I wouldn't have
thrown him in with these other guys. These are all
like American guys and George Miller's like the Australia guy.
Speaker 2: So in this segment, you've got John Lithgow who is
freaking out on an airplane like this guy. There's no
way they should have taken off of this guy. He
should never have done on an airplane. I don't care
what happened. He's like in the bathroom about to vomit.
He's pouring with sweat and he's he's just freaking out.
He just can't handle it. And Donna Dixon from Bosom
Buddies and Spies like us and married married to dan Aykroyd,
is trying to calm him down. She's a stewardess. Yeah,
she looked great in this man. I've never not seen
her look great. Well, that may be true, But then
you have this older stewardess, her name is Abby Lane.
Speaker 3: She offers him a couaylude or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really does, like here, take this, but he
looks out on the wing of the airplane and he
thinks he sees something on the wing. Then you see
it right, and you're like, there's something on the wing.
Speaker 3: The lightning strikes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a human humanoid thing out on the
wing and he's like, there's something out there, Oh my god,
and he's freaking out a grimblin yeah, just like the
Bugs Bunny cartoons of Joe.
Speaker 3: Dante too, that's right, grimblin right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this was the original, the original of this when
it came out on the TV series starred William Shatner. Yes,
and it was as soon the same thing. It was.
There was a creature out there tearing up the wing.
The special effects for the creature were what you would
expect from an early nineteen sixties black and white TV show.
Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong. In the episode with William Shatner, though,
didn't he wasn't all ramped up at the beginning, right,
Wasn't he okay in the beginning? And then we saw
him kind of descend into this because let's go right
away he is and he jumped Yeah, And I don't
remember the Twilight episode. I don't remember William Shatner being
that that bad off.
Speaker 3: William Shatner is never uncool. Well, James Tiberi is curtain damit.
But you're right now scared on a beauny little plane.
Speaker 4: I think we saw him ramp up, where as this
is like we're already dialed in at.
Speaker 2: Times, we're at ten and we go to twenty five.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: But he ends up getting a gun from the air
marshal or whatever and blowing out the window and trying
to shoot the gremlin on the on the wing of
the airplane. Who this one's good. I love this one.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 4: The passenger next to him that's sitting next to on
the plane too. I don't know if you guys are
aware of this. That's actually Rod Sterling's wife.
Speaker 2: She says something like, is there a problem?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, wow, Well that's great. It's great.
Speaker 2: The little girl who keeps giving him, like giving him
trouble the entire time. Her name is Christina Nagera.
Speaker 3: She was in some sort of sit commerce he.
Speaker 2: Was in Cloak and Dagger.
Speaker 3: Oh that's it. Yeah, she's a little girl. That was
what Elliott's real name, Henry Thomas, Henry Thomas's little love
interest or was it your sister? It was a love interest.
I think he liked her. I can't remember. We got
to do Cloak and Dagger versus Fight Club, I think so.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the cool thing about this segment, it's super tense.
He's shooting at this Grammlin it's jumping around and then
it comes up and like waves its finger in his face,
gives in the Kim Dave Mutumbo, God Rest his soul. Yeah,
and I mean he just absolutely loses his mind. They
bring the plane down. Of course they're losing engines. They
don't really know what's going on. And then once they're
hauling him off in the stray jacket, the guys are
looking at the engine and there's scratch marks all over it.
Speaker 1: Let them in that.
Speaker 3: We're probably not going to find out because the ambulance
driver is is dan akright now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you got this little epilogue at the
end with dan akright as the ambulance.
Speaker 4: Driver who got a new tape of CCR or fixed
the old That's right he did.
Speaker 2: That's right, he did. Okay, So I thought this one
was really good. We really need to talk about the accident, though, yep.
Speaker 3: So Rod Serling passed away on June twenty eighth, nineteen
seventy five, which was about four days before micah Din
was born. Oh Man micah Den was one of two
children who were taken onto the set of the John
Landis segment during the Vietnam War part of that segment,
and the idea was that, as Amanda alluded to that,
we see an arc and we see a turnaround in
bick Morrow's character and he's instead of you know, hating
on them, he's trying to save them from the American soldiers.
And there was supposed to be a helicopter going over
them at this point. There was a helicopter and yeah,
I mean in the in the original script, we didn't
see this in the movie. In the original script that
it called for a helicopter to be going over and
explosions to be going off, and it was at night,
and so there are several problems with that because you've
got children actors and California loss so that they could
not work at night. You have explosives, which again the
loss of that they could not be around explosives, their
parents who signed a consent for them to act in
this where they were not informed they were going to
be explosives, and certainly not a helicopter lying twenty five
feet above their head like two basketball goals up.
Speaker 2: And yet right right, that's right, yeah, And he hired
these two without proper permits.
Speaker 3: You paid them cash, so that he could avoid the
law that required that they worked during the day and
not work at night. He also actually had their parents
hide them from some of the fire safety officers because
the fire safety officer was also a welfare worker and
so he knew he would get in trouble with them
if he was caught using kids in this. And so
what ultimately happens is they set off a pyrotechnic explosion
too early. The helicopter pilot was a Vietnam pilot and
he was told he was supposed to spend the helicopter
one hundred and eighty degrees, which he did, and then
the set the pyrotechnic explosion off too soon. The tale
of the helicopter was still over the pyrotechnic and so
it was destroyed basically, which you have a helicopter with
no tail, can't steer that. And Vic Morrow just before
this scene, I mean, he could see what was going on.
His last words before they started shooting were what am
I doing here? Shouldn't I have a double for this?
That is tragic. Yeah, what ultimately happens is that helicopter
comes careening down, it crushes the little girl, Renee Shini Chin,
crushes her and then the blades it and decapitate both
Vic Morrow and Little Mica.
Speaker 2: Did have you seen this footage?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 2: Have you seen this footage?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean you can see it on YouTube.
Speaker 4: It's one of those shutter there's a series about cursed films, huh,
and the entire one of the entire episodes focuses on
this and there's some morow footage on there, and so
it's very difficult to watch.
Speaker 2: Very so. The amount of explosions that are going off
around this helicopter are unbelievable.
Speaker 3: It looks like apocalypse now. It looks like a full
scale battle and they've got five children actors out there
in waist deep water. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Well, this is right after Liabis insisted on using actual
bullets when the Vietna means we're shooting at them real bullets,
not bullet's real bullus, right, And that was another time
that Vic Morrow was like, what am I doing right?
Speaker 2: Right? And what I mean the kids weren't acting what
you could easily be carrying dummies in this scene. I mean,
there's a whole lot of things. Why we have four
million explosions going off and why are we only twenty
feet over the actor, and it's just it's just a
disaster waiting to happen, and of course it did.
Speaker 3: I don't think that there's any question that it was
criminal negligence. At the very least, they ultimately had a
trial on it. Seems like maybe almost ten years later.
It was quite a while later before they ultimately had
the trial. All of the people involved were acquitted of
a crime. That doesn't mean they escaped civil liability, but
they were all acquitted of a crime.
Speaker 4: But when it took years, I mean years, Yeah, try,
I think that was eighty seven he was acquitted.
Speaker 2: Well, remember we talked about how he was upset at
Eddie Murphy for not coming and being.
Speaker 3: A character witness supporting him.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Eddie Murphy's like, dude, you had kids after
hours breaking laws left and right.
Speaker 3: I can't do it right. Yeah, I'm gonna let my
career burn down with yours.
Speaker 2: Remember Eddie Murphy famously said Vic Morrel will work with
John Landis before I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was after coming to America.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: If only he had been correct and they had never
made Beverly Hills Cup three, that's right, that's been great.
Speaker 4: Tragic Lands even insisted on speaking at Big Morrill's funeral,
insisted on it. The look on your face tells me
you don't know it. Yeah, no, these are literally his words.
He said. He's speaking in front of all of Vic
Morroll's family, friends, everything. He said. Tragedy can strike in
an instant, but a film is immortal. Vic lives forever.
Just before the last take, Vic took me to the
side to thank me for the opportunity to play this role.
Film is forever, That's what That's what this guy said.
At the funeral, I.
Speaker 2: Would have punched him in the face.
Speaker 3: Boy, Although I will say this, I don't agree with
that at all, but I have seen Vic Morrow and
other things. He was fantastic in this. I mean, this
really was the performance of his career. It is tragic,
very tragic that it ended the way it did. But man,
he did a fantastic job in this. Because you despise him,
it's hard to play somebody so despisable and make them
real too, but he did it like he was still
a guy that you could believe, but that you were
just like, I can't be around that guy.
Speaker 4: He's as because you think about when somebody dies usually
the funeral. I mean, at least around here. I don't know.
You know, you're looking at four to seven days after
somebody passes or whatever. To think all these facts weren't
known yet what it actually led to this tragedy, and
not balls of this guy to go to the funeral.
Edit that out, that's fine, but the balls to go
to the funeral and say film is immortal like that?
Oh that takes balls.
Speaker 2: All right? We done with that. We ready for final judgment. Amanda,
as our guest, please tell us which of these movies
Creep Show from nineteen eighty two or The Twilight Zone
from nineteen eighty three do you enjoy the most.
Speaker 4: I will say that I enjoyed revisiting The Twilight Zone
a lot, because again, I was not nostalgically familiar with
the movie, so it was really interesting to go back
and watch it. I'm very familiar with Creep Show. I
can quote that movie up and down, know a lot
of facts about it. It's just it was a huge
part of my childhood, my adolescence, now my adult life,
Tom Atkins's life. But revisiting Twilight Zone I realized why
I quickly forgot it when I was younger, just did
not get me. Yes, it's an interesting movie. It's very interesting.
That kicked the can segment, Man, what a snoozefest loved
twenty thousand feet. Loved that segment. I thought that was great.
But there are more morality tales that are made, ye
made to make you think about your choices, about you
know whatever. Sometimes I like to just check out and
watch a guy lay in the ground and get his heads,
you know, squashed by a headstone. That's who I am.
Even at the segment I like the least in Creep Show,
the Jordi Barrel segment. I still enjoyed more than three
quarters of the segments on twilight Zone. I will say
that my favorite part of twilight Zone would be the
twenty thousand few and the wrap around. I really enjoyed
that part of it. But the rest of the movie, guys,
I'm not revisiting anytime soon. Clear winner for me. Creep
Show hands down.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm gonna follow up Amanda here. I'm
absolutely with you. I enjoy Creep Show way more. I
have so much fun watching it, even though there are
parts that don't work. They're a little clunky and creep show.
But it is campy, it is fun. I'm always smiling
while I'm watching Creep Show. I'm laughing. Even Twilight Zone
just makes me feel bad, like the whole time I
watch it just makes me feel bad, you know, And
that it really doesn't even include the tragic accident, which
would make everybody feel bad. How did the guy who
made Raiders of the Lost Star I can give us
the most boring segment in the entire I really don't
understand how that happened. So for me, I mean clear winner,
it's creep Show one hundred percent. See, you guys are nuts?
Speaker 3: What two guys are nuts? Like, It's not even close.
The Twilight Zone is so much better than Creep Show,
and it is a landslide of a difference.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the comic book. I can, I've revisited it
over and over again. But to me, and this is
supposed to be a horror movie. Horror movies aren't supposed
to look like comic books. They're not supposed to be
colorful and bright. They've got to be dark and scary
and you don't know what's going on. And the only
segment that we get that in is the crate. That's
it got a Manda angry over here at pointing her finger,
Luggy is that finger? The Twilight Zone gives you stories
that are complete stories, not just the big of a
story or half a story, or not a story at all,
but like the opening line to a news article, twilight Zone. Yes,
it makes you think, but that's I mean, yes, I
want to escape, but I want part of being entertained
is being challenged a little bit. The creepshow stuff was
just not remotely challenging at all, And the Twilight Zone
stuff made you think, number one, about what could happen
to you if you try to scare somebody too bad?
And number two, what it's like to be dismissive of
people who are trying to be fun and engaging even
though they're old in play and then you realize, hey,
I missed out on a chance to be young again.
And then you've got and you've got the performance of
this little kid in a cartoon, which is I mean,
it's supposed to be cartoony, but it's terrifying. This is
the thing that's actually scary. They do cartoon on this
one right where you're actually you see Nancy Cartwright future
Bart Simpson running and screaming from drawn cartoons like draw cartoons,
and it's scary. I don't know how they did that.
That's amazing. And then you've got John Lithgow putting on
the performance of his life as this guy who sees
a true creature and everyone else doubts him and takes
the plane down. These are all fantastic stories, all four
of them in one movie, and you guys are dismissing
it nuts. You're both nuts.
Speaker 4: Do I have a chance for one little tag for it?
So you just said two minutes ago, it's a horror
movie and it's supposed to be scary. Tell me what
is scary about Kick the Can.
Speaker 2: Twilight Zone is not a horror movie.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, No. Creep show is supposed to be
a horror movie.
Speaker 4: It's a I wouldn't even put it in as a
whoreor it's like a horror comedy.
Speaker 3: It wasn't funny either.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, well, Jason, it's been real fun for having
me out a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Guys, Hey, Amanda, don't forget I'm the one that had
nine inch nails on my list. Okay, I just want
to remind.
Speaker 4: You of that, so I'm excited. I can't wait for that.
I will say that, out of the two movies, the
Nightmare twenty thousand feet is the scariest segment from both movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's amazing for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Amanda, thanks for coming on for your last Surely
you Can't be serious podcast? Right, I'll fell.
Speaker 3: Invite her back. These are more fun when we disagree.
Speaker 2: We're so glad to have you though. Thank you for
being here. Hope you enjoyed its. Guys going back to
these Okay, guys, you got to chime in.
Speaker 3: Hit us up. You can email us Surely Podcast at
gmail dot com, and please tell Jason and Amanda that
they need to go rewatch these movies again and not
be crazy.
Speaker 4: Oh I feel I feel you should put a poll
out there because them care about to get a wake
up call.
Speaker 3: You know what we can We can do a pay
We can do a poll on our Patreon page, which
thank you for the setup there, Amanda. If you guys
are interested in being a part of our Patreon family,
all you have to do is go to patreon dot
com slash Surely Podcast and you can join for free.
You can get to listen to our secret episodes for
as little as five bucks a month, and we do
things like polls on hey, what do you guys think?
Is it creep Show or is it twilight Zone? And
you can participate in that as well, So come join
us for that. Amanda, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: As usual, listen to what we have next week before
we release Amanda, we have Creed versus Nickelback. Never made
it as a wise man.
Speaker 5: I couldn't cut in as a poor man stealing live
in like a blind man.
Speaker 3: Are they worth the hate?
Speaker 2: Are they worth the hate? We're gonna dive in. Amanda's
gonna co host one of those episodes.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: You guys asked that decline you don't need two hours
of Amanda being angry?
Speaker 2: Well that's gonna be fun. We're gonna dive into that
subject and come back next week to hear that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see you guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks