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and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over

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into the Surely you can't be serious podcast. Welcome back,

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ladies and gentlemen. We are back with Amanda Janek got

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my co host here, Jason. We're here to talk about

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Twilight Zone the movie and Creep Show Part two. Not

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Creep Show Part two, but this is their second episode

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on comparing these two original anthology movies.

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Speaker 2: What do you guys think about the.

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Speaker 3: Anthology makeup of a movie? Like, how do you like

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these when it's instead of being a complete story arc?

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Because we were Jason and I were talking about this

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a couple of weeks ago. This isn't the only Stephen

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King movie that is an anthology. We also have Kat's Eye,

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which I think it's I mean, I remember as being

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fantastic because those stories, to me are a little bit

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more of a Twilight Zone end they were made think more.

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Speaker 4: You got Tales from the Dark Side too, which yeah,

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I'm not a big fan of, but I love I

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think I already said this, but I love the whole

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anthology aspect. I have very short attention span, you guys

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like super short attention span, So these short stories I

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can keep actively engaged. I like how they wrap up

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pretty quickly. Sometimes, yes, you want more, you want more

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details or certain stories, certain segments that you could be

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fleshed out a lot more into a full feature film.

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But personally I like the anthology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. I like Stephen King's short story books.

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To me are almost his best work because he does

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not care about the main character living throughout the entire

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thing or you know whatever. He's not afraid to kill

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anybody off or do tragic things to every character, and

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he's just free to kind of tell this interesting story.

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So the anthology really works for me. So we left

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off last time we were talking about Creep Show. We

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talked about the casting of Creep Show, how there were

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a bunch of people who were you know, not it

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was pre their heyday or post their heyday about to

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be their heyday again, like with Leslie Nielsen.

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Speaker 3: But what about Twilight Zone? We talked. I just did

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the intro in my terrible Rod Serling impression. I also

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love that it's Albert Brooks and dan Aykroyd, and I

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love that they're talking like they're going over the episodes

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that they love, because one of my favorite episodes is

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the Burgess Meredith episode where he's frustrated at humanity because

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they keep bothering him. All he wants to do is read,

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and then there's a nuclear war and then he's got

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nothing but time to read his books, and.

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Speaker 2: Then he steps on his reading glasses. Yeah. That's a

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good one. Oh man, that's great.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the first examples we have of a

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movie being met up about itself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, that's a great point because it's so meta that

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immediately after the prologue they go through that intro that

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Rod Serling used to do, and the one doing the

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intro is Burgess Meredith, the guy who was in that episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And when they play the guest saying game with the

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theme songs and stuff, they even hum the theme song

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a Twilight Zone or an Outer Limits, which they were

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Speaker 3: I didn't watch The Outer Limits until later. I don't

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most is to Serve Man. Do you guys remember that?

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obviously they're not speaking English, and they've got this book

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title is to Serve Man, right, right, and it's and

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it's like they're all excited because it's like, okay, they've

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people up to take them off to this new paradise, right,

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to go off to this new paradise where they're going

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we've deciphered the rest of the book.

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Speaker 3: It's a cookbook. And the guy is running around and

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of the bad guys in Naked Gun And at some

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point there's this chaotic scene. And in that scene in

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Naked Gun, he's got a book that says to serve

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man and he's running around screaming it's a cookbook. It's

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a cookbook. Really, I saw Naked Gun like I've seen

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Speaker 2: I know that one. Oh wow, we talk about we

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talk about Creep Show two for just a second, yes

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we can, before we dive full force into Twilight Zone.

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Creep Show two. What do you think about that one, Amanda?

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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it. Yeah. Again, I think

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as popular, it's not as highly regarded. Only three stories,

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but two of those three I think are really strong.

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I really like them a lot. But again, a lot

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of things with me boiled down a nostalgia. You know,

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it's like I just watched it like a year ago,

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and I'm like, holds out, totally holds up for me.

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Speaker 2: So you and I were talking about the story the raft.

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Speaker 3: I can remember with absolute clarity, absolute clarity, the climactical

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scene of that particular segment, because I was about sixteen

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or seventeen years old, I was over at a friend's

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house stay in the night. They had fallen asleep. It

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comes on on showtime or something like that. I'm like, okay,

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that's a throwback. Do you do you remember this?

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Speaker 3: The shirt is for the university from the crate like

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with an H the whatever it is. Anyway, she's wearing

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a university shirt that is from that university where they're

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going to great But anyway, eventually a dude is taking

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that shirt off of her as they're stuck out there

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because there's a monster in the water. And yes, and

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she starting blob chasing. Maria starts moaning and stuff. And

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do you remember what you told me? I was, I said,

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Speaker 2: It's like it's the biggest boner killer of all time.

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Speaker 3: Terrible. I mean, I'm sixteen years old, I'm watching this.

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I'm like, yes, I've got all right, this is whoa,

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for those of you who don't know. She's moaning and

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groaning because the creature has sucked her face and is

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almost pulling her through the raft.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that actually is a very good story because at

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the very end of that one, you think the guys

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Speaker 4: A big slash garbage bag. Yeah. I love the third segment.

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up somewhere, me and my friends or whatever, she picked

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me up from school or whatever, and it was always

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thanks for the ride, lady. We would say that all

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the time, Thanks for the.

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Speaker 2: Ride lady, Thanks for the right Lady, which that starred

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Lois Childs, who was doctor Goodhead and Moonraker Doctor Goodhead.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Stephen King is the second best name character

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namer in the world.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, let's get back to the Twilight

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not including a prologue and an epilogue. So you mentioned.

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The prologue has Albert Brooks and dan ackroid and they're

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talking about the Twilight Zone, the outer Limits, and then

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Speaker 3: It's a great moment because because Albert Brooks. Before that,

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Speaker 2: Are Like?

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knife and you get to try to pry that thing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, better hope you have a number two pencil.

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Speaker 3: So, so what they do before they start doing the

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let's do this sing the TV theme songs is he's like, oh,

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let's pretend that it wasn't the tape deck that went out.

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it's freaking dan akroid out and you can see dan

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Speaker 2: The night off. Yeah, it's it would make me mad

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'd be like, cut that crap out.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you gotta kill us. Yeah. And so then

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he finally dan Akroyd's like, you want to see something

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really scary? Yeah, oh, brilliant, and then.

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Speaker 2: You have a great jump scare right there. It does

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seem a little bit out of place for the Twilight Zone,

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but it does kind of get us for the entrance

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Speaker 4: Right, do you think No, I agree, I think that

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the makeup's kind of lappable, but you know, it's it's

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a good moment. I think it's great. Do you guys

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think that they know each other or do you think

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Speaker 4: Other weird energy, right, yeah, Because like my entire memory

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of that is it's two friends on a road trip,

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there's something weird there, almost like they almost don't know

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Speaker 2: It's almost like dan Aykroyd is Bill Bixby.

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Speaker 4: Into the Hulk instead of that.

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Speaker 3: Right, he's wondering and then we got the Bulk music. Oh,

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all that he should have said to Albert Books, you

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shouldn't make me scared.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't like me.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

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Speaker 2: So then we get kicked off into our first segment.

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It's called time out. So you've got this guy named Bill.

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guys at the table next to him a little.

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Speaker 3: Tired of it.

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Speaker 2: They get a little tired of it, but I thought

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they remained pretty dagnam cool. And he was.

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Speaker 3: Stephen Williams, Yeah, I noticed that too.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, dude, that's the trooper from the

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Blues Brothers.

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Speaker 4: Twenty one Jump Street. I was like, Oh, I thought

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he played it very cool because he should have had

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his you know, head clogoff. But they played it cool.

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It's awful. It's an awful string of dialogue.

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Speaker 2: Yes, did you know the Vic morro Is Jennifer Jason

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Lee's father.

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Speaker 3: I did. Yeah. On his tombstone, it says to me

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he was dad. To everyone else, he was vic And

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I have to think that probably was her that nice.

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Speaker 2: After this barrage of terrible, just venom groups of people,

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he goes outside the bar and it's like he's dropped

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off in Germany. Yeah, and there's the SS asking for

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papers and like, you know, you're a Jew and.

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Speaker 3: Do you recognize that guy?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't. Kai Wolf is his name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny because we just talked. Amanda just

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talked about have you seen the Three Amigos lately? And

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she thinks it's terrible. He is the German guy, He's

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the guy loved who loved ned.

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Speaker 2: He's the German. Yes, he's one of three.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he's shooting his gun up into this guy

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just like he did in the Three Amigos.

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Speaker 2: Wow, yep, Okay. So Big Morrow's character Bill is running

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from the SS or from the Nazis, and next thing

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you know, he's in Vietnam and he's he's hiding, you know,

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he's in wartime Vietnam, and here come the American soldiers,

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which I thought was kind of a bold statement at

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the time told you we shouldn't killed I know, right, right,

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Lieutenant Edemayer.

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Speaker 3: Is that what it was?

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Speaker 2: Yes, which is a connection to Animal House.

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Speaker 3: Ah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Animal House. But you know, updates on the

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characters or whatever, say he went up to Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: He was killed by his own men.

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Speaker 3: Oh so okay, So just just to cover this, right,

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we're talking a John Landis movie Animal House. You got

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a connection, a John Landis movie, Blues Brothers. You got

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a connection a John Landis movie, The Three Amigo's.

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Speaker 2: You got a connection. That's right.

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Speaker 3: Like, he goes back to the same people pretty frequently.

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Speaker 2: Ola Ray would have showed up from the Thriller video,

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that would have been amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, the American soldiers see him as a Vietnamese soldier, right,

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so they started trying to kill him.

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Speaker 3: And then he was supposed to rescue some children. The

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original script had him rescuing some children. Yeah, that was

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the idea.

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Speaker 2: It did not It was.

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Speaker 4: Going to be a redemption arc. Yeah, that's how he

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was going to see the air of his ways or

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we were going to see that. You know, he had

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seen the air of way to rescue, the two children

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get him on a helicopter.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, well let's hold that bit. But we know

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that what we got as that first story was a

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weaving together of bits of what they had shot before

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they shot that helicopter scene because they weren't going to

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be able to shoot anything else after the helicopter scene.

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Speaker 2: Filming was over for that segment.

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Speaker 3: Right by the way, along was one of the Vietnamese

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actors in that segment as well.

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Speaker 2: Love it, love it. I am curious. I would like

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to know what the original script said, because all of

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a sudden he's thrush back into Germany and then they

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put him on a train and he's like deported.

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Speaker 3: Well, you've got the middle part where he's going to

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get lynched by the KKK. Oh yeah, without that with

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a fantastic performance by John Lark Court Night Fame or

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you know night Court Fame or your favorite movie Blind Date,

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Blind Dates.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it, James Massacre see Horror Girl in the House.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right there you go. Wow, Now that

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part was scary. They were throwing the news over. He's like,

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what are you guys doing? Well, I'm not what are

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you doing this for? I didn't do anything right. It

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was tense, and then all of a sudden he's thrown

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back into Germany and then he's loaded on the train.

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This segment always felt incomplete, and there's a big reason

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for it, and we'll talk about it. It's one of

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the most infamous events in Hollywood history. We'll save that

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one for later. Okay, didn't you.

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Speaker 4: Guys sound it interesting? Though? Like by the third or

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fourth situation he was thrown in, it still didn't occur

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to him that he's being treated like all the people

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that he's hated and been bigoted towards all, you know.

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I just thought that was so interesting. It wasn't until

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the final scene that all of a sudden something might

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have clicked. I mean, the whole time, he's like, I'm

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a white guy. I'm a white guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm an American.

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Speaker 4: I'm white, right, I'm American.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about the second segment. Yep. This one

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was directed by Steven Spielberg, the man. This is called

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kick the Can. Okay, I got this is the little

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nugget I found right before we started recording today. Okay,

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So this segment was written by, among others, Richard Matheson, right.

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Speaker 3: We talked about Richard Matheson in our Bill and Ted's

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Excellent Adventure versus Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey plus number

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three whatever that one was, I don't remember. Because he

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was the father of Chris Matheson, who co wrote Bill

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and Ted's Excellent Adventure with Ed Solomon yep. And he

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was the guy who said to his son, this is

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this bit right here where they time travel, that's your

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best bits. Expand on that, make that your whole movie.

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And that's a better movie. There you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. And Richard Bobson also wrote the book

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I Am Legend yep. Now. Then also with him, Melissa

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Matheson wrote this segment. You remember Melissa Matheson, She related

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to Richard Matheson, no different spellings, the same last name. Okay,

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she wrote race yourself. I'm bracing e t ah.

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Speaker 3: This is Harrison Ford's wife.

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Speaker 2: Harrison Ford's ex wife. That's correct. Yeah, you have these

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two killer writers. They wrote the most boring snoozefest segment.

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My gosh, are you what?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Do you agree with him?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I was tearing up. I was tearing up.

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Speaker 5: Take me with you you want from a Twilight Zone

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episode to be tearing up the yeah, Cy didn't go

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at all.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, that's right, that's right. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm looking at age differently than you guys are,

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because all I want to do is go back as well.

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I want to go back to nineteen eighty four and

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rewatch Creep Show and like Twilight Zone the movie from

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the original. That's what I want to do.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 3: So I felt for these old folks who wanted to

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go back, but I also don't want to miss out

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on all of the things that I have in life

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right now, like my family and raising the family, and

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I don't want to have to go through losing people

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again like they did. So when it ends, and the

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guy who was nothing but a car mudgeon, by the way,

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he does look exactly like the grumpy old man that

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Jeff Dunham uses as his dummy. He does know it

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looks exactly like him. But anyway, when at the end

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he's finally found his youth, he's no longer this car mudgeon.

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He's kicking the can and Scatman Crothers tells you it's

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going to be okay, he's going to get there. That's wonderful.

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Not all of the Twilight Zones had to be creepy

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or scientific or anything like that. Some of them were

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just a pleasant story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're oh for two, it's a Twilight zone. Wait

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a minute, what do you mean for two? Oh for two?

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Speaker 3: You didn't like the prologue? No, no, no, I know, sorry,

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you didn't look at them.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like time out. Okay, right, okay.

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Speaker 4: Kick the Can just didn't go anything like I thought

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it was going to go at all. I'll tell you

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what I thought, and I didn't put two and two

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together when I was younger. Were you watching it this time, though,

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because again it's been a long time. I totally forgot

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most of these, most of them, right. I thought that

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he was going to show them all what it was

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like to be youthful again, and the next morning, the

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house mother or whatever she was, the doctor, the nurse, whatever,

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was going to find him all done.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I thought that he gave.

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Speaker 4: Them a taste of youth, the glory before you die.

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Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen the little kid

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who was playing Kick the Can pull a hamstring and

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break a hip.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so Murray Matheson another matheson in here I think

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probably not related to Melissa or to Richard. Okay, he's

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the guy that plays mister ag in this segment. Okay,

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he's the one who decides to stay young, the one

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with the British accent, jumps out the window like Peter

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Peter Pan. Yeah right.

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Speaker 2: He died the year after this movie came out. A

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little kid. Yeah no, the.

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Speaker 3: Old man, Oh, the old man.

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Speaker 2: Okay. By the way, Scatman Crothers, the Shining doc you

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know the connection to The Shining and creep show Stephen King,

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well other than Winner you want exactly right? That figured

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it out?

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Speaker 3: Ig it can I have the gun?

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Speaker 2: Here is the other connection. Leslie Nilsen was actually considered

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for the role of Jack Torrants in The Shining.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think Stevid King's a little better.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to segment number three. This one's

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called It's a Good Life. This one is directed by

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Joe Dante of Gremlin's fame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, because you get to see Dick Miller

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in there. And if it's if it's Joe Dante, it's

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gotta have Dick. Absolutely, that's right. This was written by

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Richard Matheson. It stars Kathleen Quinlane, Kevin McCarthy, Nancy Cartwright. Yeah, okay,

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if you don't know who Nancy Cartwright is, you know

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my Shores Calabunga dude.

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Speaker 2: We were sharing a little text thread and her character

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gets banished to cartoon World, and I said, this is

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kind of ironic because Nancy Cartwright has been in Cartoon

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World since nineteen eighty nine exactly as the voice of

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Bart Simpson. Right, how about that?

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Speaker 3: Fantastic? And then later on I texted you and I said,

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did you recognize Kathleen Quinlan And you were like, yes, yes, Well,

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so Jason had to watch Val Kilmer in the Doors,

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and Kathleen Quinlan's part in that particular movie is kind

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of infamous. Yes, the story, Yes, I tell you this, Well, yeah,

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she's I will tell you what's happening in the movie.

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In the movie, she and Val Kilmer are running around

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naked doing weird stuff with witchcraft and blood and all

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sorts of stuff. And Jason's watching this in his house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I watched it because I was getting ready

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to talk to the guys on the thirty something podcast

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about the movie. The doors, and I'm like, what in

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the crap is this stupid stuff? I'm watching naked people

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and they're doing drugs and they're participating in witchcraft. What

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is this I'm watching? And unbeknownst to me, my son

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is standing behind me. He's like, whoa, dad, what are

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you watching? He's like, is Quinn? He's like, so, he

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was like, there's twelve at the time.

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Speaker 4: Life lessons. They're a little rough sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: So in this story, you have Kathleen Quillan, who she's

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going to take a teacher position. She stops at this

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local diner. She accidentally backs into this little kid on

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his bike and she offers to take him home. And

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when she takes him home, the people in his home

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are so over the top weird that her little radar

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goes off, but they won't let her leave, and she's

469
00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:08,039
too polite to force her way out.

470
00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:24,039
Speaker 4: I wish it away, I wish it all the way.

471
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,519
Speaker 2: And the kid is insisting that she stay. Well, it

472
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:25,240
turns out this kid has all sorts of sort of abilities.

473
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,519
Speaker 3: He has god like power.

474
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,519
Speaker 2: He has god like power. He wishes it and it

475
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:32,039
is true, and so everybody is super scared of him

476
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,519
because if he doesn't like what you're doing, he could

477
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:37,039
really do something weird, like throw you into cartoon world

478
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,559
or remove your mouth.

479
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so as he takes her upstairs, it's kind of

480
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,920
this weird effect. He takes her upstairs. We were talking

481
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,759
about the Creep Show, how they were maybe going to

482
00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,480
do it in black and white, and then you know

483
00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:50,920
the progression of film across time. When he takes her upstairs,

484
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,000
they're obviously in a black and white world, except they're

485
00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:56,559
still in color, like all the walls and everything else

486
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,559
are still in black white. And then when they get

487
00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:02,200
up there, this girl with her back to them, is

488
00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:05,880
watching a black and white cartoon and he just says, Oh,

489
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,200
that's my other sister. She was in an accident. She

490
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,920
doesn't talk anymore. And then we get from the TV

491
00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,079
perspective and we scroll up and we see that she

492
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,480
has no mouth. And so you got something to tell

493
00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:18,640
us about who that actress is?

494
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,839
Speaker 2: Okay, Amanda, do you know who that actress is?

495
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,079
Speaker 3: No?

496
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: Okay, that is Sherry Curry. She was the lead singer

497
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:39,759
for The Runaways, Harry BOMs, Joan Jet and lead A Ford.

498
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,119
When I looked at that, I was like, whoa.

499
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 4: Interesting nice little nugget there.

500
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:48,799
Speaker 2: And then of course Kevin McCarthy plays the over the

501
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,519
top dad. He's in innerspace, which you get Joe Dante

502
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:53,519
later on.

503
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: It's right and the other the people playing the parents

504
00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:00,519
are Patricia Berry and William Shallert. They they were both

505
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,960
in original Twilight Zone episodes Cool back in the fifty sixties. Okay,

506
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:08,359
this episode works for me. I mean, I'm scared to

507
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,160
death of the kid. Have you ever had peanut butter

508
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,440
and amberger? No, it's actually really good. I remember seeing

509
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,480
that when I saw that the first time, and I

510
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,759
was like, that is the most disgusting thing ever. And

511
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:21,960
I was more picky as a kid, obviously. I was

512
00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:24,480
just like, that is like who thinks of that? That

513
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:28,640
is a terrible, terrible idea. I can tell you that

514
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:32,640
about six years ago, someone who I trust said, please

515
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,119
just try it. I am a convert. You put peanut

516
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,480
butter and bacon and a little like spicy like kalapeno

517
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:42,119
relish on there, and it is fantastic.

518
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 4: I get the peanut butter bacon thing, but with a burger.

519
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so good. I mean, you don't want mustard

520
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:49,039
and you don't want mayonnaise on it.

521
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:54,599
Speaker 4: But the so good i'll it. Did you hear about

522
00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:58,240
the what Dante originally wanted to end or how he

523
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:01,640
wanted to end the segment? No? What, this is really cool.

524
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:04,559
This is actually my favorite lugget of this movie. So

525
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,799
originally he wanted it to end where the entire house explodes,

526
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:12,880
everybody dies, including the kid, except for Helen. She walks out.

527
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,480
She escapes this house, so who knows that this little

528
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920
boy willed her to escape? It's kind of what you know,

529
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,160
I think was going to be inferred. But she walks

530
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,680
down the road, she hitch hikes, and she gets picked

531
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,759
up by dan ackroyd.

532
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: Oh that would have been really cool.

533
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:31,519
Speaker 3: That's so much better than the ending that they did, right, because.

534
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 4: Again we went back to that whimsical it is.

535
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,279
Speaker 3: I just saw you murder everybody, and I'm going to

536
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:39,720
now teach you, and you're going to teach me, and

537
00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:44,680
we're going to walk in it out what kindergarten ending

538
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,880
to an otherwise really good episode.

539
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,799
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree completely.

540
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at least we're on the same page on

541
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:52,720
that one. All right, you ready to move on to

542
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:53,440
the last one.

543
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: Let's go.

544
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: This one's called Nightmare at twenty thousand feet. This is

545
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,039
directed by George Miller.

546
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: Yes, George Miller. He by the way, I think it

547
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:02,079
is the only director that we have not covered yet.

548
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,759
We talked about Joe Dante when we talked about Grimlins.

549
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,160
We talked about John Landis on multiple movies coming to

550
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,720
America's thriller Animal House, lots of John Landis. We've talked

551
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:16,759
about Spielberg multiple times, Jaws, Indiana Jones, and Last Crusade, Raiders,

552
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,680
The Lost Start. George Miller, we haven't talked about. We

553
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,599
were going to talk about him because furiosa saga just

554
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,680
came out this past whatever. It was like Mad Max, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

555
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,480
I think it was may or something like that, and

556
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:30,839
I was excited about it, and I was like, I'm

557
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,559
gonna go watch all of these movies, and I did.

558
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:35,480
I watched every single one of the Mad Max movies.

559
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,519
I had never seen them before, got all excited to

560
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,480
watch Fury Road, and then it all fell apart and

561
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:43,559
we didn't do it. It's kind of bummed out. But

562
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,240
George Miller is an incredible director, but I wouldn't have

563
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,359
thrown him in with these other guys. These are all

564
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,319
like American guys and George Miller's like the Australia guy.

565
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: So in this segment, you've got John Lithgow who is

566
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,079
freaking out on an airplane like this guy. There's no

567
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,960
way they should have taken off of this guy. He

568
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,000
should never have done on an airplane. I don't care

569
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:06,160
what happened. He's like in the bathroom about to vomit.

570
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,599
He's pouring with sweat and he's he's just freaking out.

571
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,720
He just can't handle it. And Donna Dixon from Bosom

572
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:16,559
Buddies and Spies like us and married married to dan Aykroyd,

573
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,200
is trying to calm him down. She's a stewardess. Yeah,

574
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,440
she looked great in this man. I've never not seen

575
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,000
her look great. Well, that may be true, But then

576
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,599
you have this older stewardess, her name is Abby Lane.

577
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,319
Speaker 3: She offers him a couaylude or something.

578
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really does, like here, take this, but he

579
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,319
looks out on the wing of the airplane and he

580
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,599
thinks he sees something on the wing. Then you see

581
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,720
it right, and you're like, there's something on the wing.

582
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: The lightning strikes.

583
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a human humanoid thing out on the

584
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,480
wing and he's like, there's something out there, Oh my god,

585
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:47,680
and he's freaking out a grimblin yeah, just like the

586
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,480
Bugs Bunny cartoons of Joe.

587
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: Dante too, that's right, grimblin right.

588
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

589
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: So this was the original, the original of this when

590
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,319
it came out on the TV series starred William Shatner. Yes,

591
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,400
and it was as soon the same thing. It was.

592
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,200
There was a creature out there tearing up the wing.

593
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,640
The special effects for the creature were what you would

594
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,799
expect from an early nineteen sixties black and white TV show.

595
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong. In the episode with William Shatner, though,

596
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,119
didn't he wasn't all ramped up at the beginning, right,

597
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,680
Wasn't he okay in the beginning? And then we saw

598
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:20,319
him kind of descend into this because let's go right

599
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,640
away he is and he jumped Yeah, And I don't

600
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,079
remember the Twilight episode. I don't remember William Shatner being

601
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:27,640
that that bad off.

602
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,599
Speaker 3: William Shatner is never uncool. Well, James Tiberi is curtain damit.

603
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,079
But you're right now scared on a beauny little plane.

604
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:41,519
Speaker 4: I think we saw him ramp up, where as this

605
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,200
is like we're already dialed in at.

606
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Times, we're at ten and we go to twenty five.

607
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: Yep.

608
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: But he ends up getting a gun from the air

609
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,960
marshal or whatever and blowing out the window and trying

610
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,519
to shoot the gremlin on the on the wing of

611
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,519
the airplane. Who this one's good. I love this one.

612
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,799
Speaker 3: It's great.

613
00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: The passenger next to him that's sitting next to on

614
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,279
the plane too. I don't know if you guys are

615
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,480
aware of this. That's actually Rod Sterling's wife.

616
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,119
Speaker 2: She says something like, is there a problem?

617
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, wow, Well that's great. It's great.

618
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: The little girl who keeps giving him, like giving him

619
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,839
trouble the entire time. Her name is Christina Nagera.

620
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,079
Speaker 3: She was in some sort of sit commerce he.

621
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:21,279
Speaker 2: Was in Cloak and Dagger.

622
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: Oh that's it. Yeah, she's a little girl. That was

623
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:28,440
what Elliott's real name, Henry Thomas, Henry Thomas's little love

624
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,240
interest or was it your sister? It was a love interest.

625
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,160
I think he liked her. I can't remember. We got

626
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,480
to do Cloak and Dagger versus Fight Club, I think so.

627
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,799
Speaker 2: Anyway, the cool thing about this segment, it's super tense.

628
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,119
He's shooting at this Grammlin it's jumping around and then

629
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,839
it comes up and like waves its finger in his face,

630
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:51,240
gives in the Kim Dave Mutumbo, God Rest his soul. Yeah,

631
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,640
and I mean he just absolutely loses his mind. They

632
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,279
bring the plane down. Of course they're losing engines. They

633
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,319
don't really know what's going on. And then once they're

634
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,319
hauling him off in the stray jacket, the guys are

635
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:03,599
looking at the engine and there's scratch marks all over it.

636
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: Let them in that.

637
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,119
Speaker 3: We're probably not going to find out because the ambulance

638
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,359
driver is is dan akright now?

639
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you got this little epilogue at the

640
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,240
end with dan akright as the ambulance.

641
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,599
Speaker 4: Driver who got a new tape of CCR or fixed

642
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:23,599
the old That's right he did.

643
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,359
Speaker 2: That's right, he did. Okay, So I thought this one

644
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,839
was really good. We really need to talk about the accident, though, yep.

645
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: So Rod Serling passed away on June twenty eighth, nineteen

646
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,319
seventy five, which was about four days before micah Din

647
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,200
was born. Oh Man micah Den was one of two

648
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,960
children who were taken onto the set of the John

649
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,920
Landis segment during the Vietnam War part of that segment,

650
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:00,839
and the idea was that, as Amanda alluded to that,

651
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680
we see an arc and we see a turnaround in

652
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,880
bick Morrow's character and he's instead of you know, hating

653
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,720
on them, he's trying to save them from the American soldiers.

654
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,839
And there was supposed to be a helicopter going over

655
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,960
them at this point. There was a helicopter and yeah,

656
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,400
I mean in the in the original script, we didn't

657
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,119
see this in the movie. In the original script that

658
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,440
it called for a helicopter to be going over and

659
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,000
explosions to be going off, and it was at night,

660
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,720
and so there are several problems with that because you've

661
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:34,000
got children actors and California loss so that they could

662
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,640
not work at night. You have explosives, which again the

663
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,160
loss of that they could not be around explosives, their

664
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,960
parents who signed a consent for them to act in

665
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,279
this where they were not informed they were going to

666
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:49,759
be explosives, and certainly not a helicopter lying twenty five

667
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,079
feet above their head like two basketball goals up.

668
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: And yet right right, that's right, yeah, And he hired

669
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,400
these two without proper permits.

670
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,039
Speaker 3: You paid them cash, so that he could avoid the

671
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,240
law that required that they worked during the day and

672
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,480
not work at night. He also actually had their parents

673
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,680
hide them from some of the fire safety officers because

674
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,720
the fire safety officer was also a welfare worker and

675
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:16,839
so he knew he would get in trouble with them

676
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,440
if he was caught using kids in this. And so

677
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:24,519
what ultimately happens is they set off a pyrotechnic explosion

678
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,400
too early. The helicopter pilot was a Vietnam pilot and

679
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,799
he was told he was supposed to spend the helicopter

680
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,200
one hundred and eighty degrees, which he did, and then

681
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,880
the set the pyrotechnic explosion off too soon. The tale

682
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:41,039
of the helicopter was still over the pyrotechnic and so

683
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:44,880
it was destroyed basically, which you have a helicopter with

684
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,920
no tail, can't steer that. And Vic Morrow just before

685
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,599
this scene, I mean, he could see what was going on.

686
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:56,559
His last words before they started shooting were what am

687
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:58,799
I doing here? Shouldn't I have a double for this?

688
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:03,200
That is tragic. Yeah, what ultimately happens is that helicopter

689
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:07,920
comes careening down, it crushes the little girl, Renee Shini Chin,

690
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:13,640
crushes her and then the blades it and decapitate both

691
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:15,240
Vic Morrow and Little Mica.

692
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: Did have you seen this footage?

693
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:18,519
Speaker 3: I have?

694
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:19,559
Speaker 2: Have you seen this footage?

695
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

696
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:21,599
Speaker 2: I mean you can see it on YouTube.

697
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: It's one of those shutter there's a series about cursed films, huh,

698
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,240
and the entire one of the entire episodes focuses on

699
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,079
this and there's some morow footage on there, and so

700
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,720
it's very difficult to watch.

701
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: Very so. The amount of explosions that are going off

702
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,799
around this helicopter are unbelievable.

703
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,079
Speaker 3: It looks like apocalypse now. It looks like a full

704
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,160
scale battle and they've got five children actors out there

705
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200
in waist deep water. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

706
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: Well, this is right after Liabis insisted on using actual

707
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,599
bullets when the Vietna means we're shooting at them real bullets,

708
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,039
not bullet's real bullus, right, And that was another time

709
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,559
that Vic Morrow was like, what am I doing right?

710
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,039
Speaker 2: Right? And what I mean the kids weren't acting what

711
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,079
you could easily be carrying dummies in this scene. I mean,

712
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:14,480
there's a whole lot of things. Why we have four

713
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,960
million explosions going off and why are we only twenty

714
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,960
feet over the actor, and it's just it's just a

715
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:23,880
disaster waiting to happen, and of course it did.

716
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: I don't think that there's any question that it was

717
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:31,920
criminal negligence. At the very least, they ultimately had a

718
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,119
trial on it. Seems like maybe almost ten years later.

719
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,719
It was quite a while later before they ultimately had

720
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,000
the trial. All of the people involved were acquitted of

721
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:47,159
a crime. That doesn't mean they escaped civil liability, but

722
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:48,639
they were all acquitted of a crime.

723
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: But when it took years, I mean years, Yeah, try,

724
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,079
I think that was eighty seven he was acquitted.

725
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:59,679
Speaker 2: Well, remember we talked about how he was upset at

726
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,599
Eddie Murphy for not coming and being.

727
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 3: A character witness supporting him.

728
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Eddie Murphy's like, dude, you had kids after

729
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,719
hours breaking laws left and right.

730
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: I can't do it right. Yeah, I'm gonna let my

731
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,079
career burn down with yours.

732
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: Remember Eddie Murphy famously said Vic Morrel will work with

733
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,760
John Landis before I do.

734
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was after coming to America.

735
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: That's right.

736
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 3: If only he had been correct and they had never

737
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,039
made Beverly Hills Cup three, that's right, that's been great.

738
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,199
Speaker 4: Tragic Lands even insisted on speaking at Big Morrill's funeral,

739
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,239
insisted on it. The look on your face tells me

740
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,440
you don't know it. Yeah, no, these are literally his words.

741
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,119
He said. He's speaking in front of all of Vic

742
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,199
Morroll's family, friends, everything. He said. Tragedy can strike in

743
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,039
an instant, but a film is immortal. Vic lives forever.

744
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,559
Just before the last take, Vic took me to the

745
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:52,000
side to thank me for the opportunity to play this role.

746
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,920
Film is forever, That's what That's what this guy said.

747
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,000
At the funeral, I.

748
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,119
Speaker 2: Would have punched him in the face.

749
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Speaker 3: Boy, Although I will say this, I don't agree with

750
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,639
that at all, but I have seen Vic Morrow and

751
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,719
other things. He was fantastic in this. I mean, this

752
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,000
really was the performance of his career. It is tragic,

753
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,280
very tragic that it ended the way it did. But man,

754
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,079
he did a fantastic job in this. Because you despise him,

755
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:22,239
it's hard to play somebody so despisable and make them

756
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,519
real too, but he did it like he was still

757
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:27,880
a guy that you could believe, but that you were

758
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,920
just like, I can't be around that guy.

759
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 4: He's as because you think about when somebody dies usually

760
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,079
the funeral. I mean, at least around here. I don't know.

761
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,599
You know, you're looking at four to seven days after

762
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,239
somebody passes or whatever. To think all these facts weren't

763
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,880
known yet what it actually led to this tragedy, and

764
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,719
not balls of this guy to go to the funeral.

765
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Edit that out, that's fine, but the balls to go

766
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:55,239
to the funeral and say film is immortal like that?

767
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:57,119
Oh that takes balls.

768
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,599
Speaker 2: All right? We done with that. We ready for final judgment. Amanda,

769
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,760
as our guest, please tell us which of these movies

770
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,480
Creep Show from nineteen eighty two or The Twilight Zone

771
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,880
from nineteen eighty three do you enjoy the most.

772
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 4: I will say that I enjoyed revisiting The Twilight Zone

773
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,000
a lot, because again, I was not nostalgically familiar with

774
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:21,639
the movie, so it was really interesting to go back

775
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,960
and watch it. I'm very familiar with Creep Show. I

776
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,800
can quote that movie up and down, know a lot

777
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,079
of facts about it. It's just it was a huge

778
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:33,000
part of my childhood, my adolescence, now my adult life,

779
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,360
Tom Atkins's life. But revisiting Twilight Zone I realized why

780
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,159
I quickly forgot it when I was younger, just did

781
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:46,199
not get me. Yes, it's an interesting movie. It's very interesting.

782
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,400
That kicked the can segment, Man, what a snoozefest loved

783
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,480
twenty thousand feet. Loved that segment. I thought that was great.

784
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,800
But there are more morality tales that are made, ye

785
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,039
made to make you think about your choices, about you

786
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:05,840
know whatever. Sometimes I like to just check out and

787
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,320
watch a guy lay in the ground and get his heads,

788
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,960
you know, squashed by a headstone. That's who I am.

789
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,320
Even at the segment I like the least in Creep Show,

790
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,840
the Jordi Barrel segment. I still enjoyed more than three

791
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,559
quarters of the segments on twilight Zone. I will say

792
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:25,559
that my favorite part of twilight Zone would be the

793
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,440
twenty thousand few and the wrap around. I really enjoyed

794
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,840
that part of it. But the rest of the movie, guys,

795
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,320
I'm not revisiting anytime soon. Clear winner for me. Creep

796
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,079
Show hands down.

797
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:38,519
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm gonna follow up Amanda here. I'm

798
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,920
absolutely with you. I enjoy Creep Show way more. I

799
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,480
have so much fun watching it, even though there are

800
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,519
parts that don't work. They're a little clunky and creep show.

801
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:51,639
But it is campy, it is fun. I'm always smiling

802
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,880
while I'm watching Creep Show. I'm laughing. Even Twilight Zone

803
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,840
just makes me feel bad, like the whole time I

804
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,320
watch it just makes me feel bad, you know, And

805
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:03,480
that it really doesn't even include the tragic accident, which

806
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:05,800
would make everybody feel bad. How did the guy who

807
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,519
made Raiders of the Lost Star I can give us

808
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,719
the most boring segment in the entire I really don't

809
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,880
understand how that happened. So for me, I mean clear winner,

810
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,840
it's creep Show one hundred percent. See, you guys are nuts?

811
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: What two guys are nuts? Like, It's not even close.

812
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,760
The Twilight Zone is so much better than Creep Show,

813
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,880
and it is a landslide of a difference.

814
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:28,599
Speaker 2: Wow.

815
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the comic book. I can, I've revisited it

816
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,480
over and over again. But to me, and this is

817
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:37,079
supposed to be a horror movie. Horror movies aren't supposed

818
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,440
to look like comic books. They're not supposed to be

819
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,400
colorful and bright. They've got to be dark and scary

820
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,480
and you don't know what's going on. And the only

821
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:47,480
segment that we get that in is the crate. That's

822
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,840
it got a Manda angry over here at pointing her finger,

823
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,039
Luggy is that finger? The Twilight Zone gives you stories

824
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,480
that are complete stories, not just the big of a

825
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:03,280
story or half a story, or not a story at all,

826
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,679
but like the opening line to a news article, twilight Zone. Yes,

827
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,079
it makes you think, but that's I mean, yes, I

828
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,920
want to escape, but I want part of being entertained

829
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:17,840
is being challenged a little bit. The creepshow stuff was

830
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,039
just not remotely challenging at all, And the Twilight Zone

831
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:25,480
stuff made you think, number one, about what could happen

832
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:27,840
to you if you try to scare somebody too bad?

833
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,880
And number two, what it's like to be dismissive of

834
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,199
people who are trying to be fun and engaging even

835
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,559
though they're old in play and then you realize, hey,

836
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:39,400
I missed out on a chance to be young again.

837
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:43,079
And then you've got and you've got the performance of

838
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,159
this little kid in a cartoon, which is I mean,

839
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,199
it's supposed to be cartoony, but it's terrifying. This is

840
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,920
the thing that's actually scary. They do cartoon on this

841
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,360
one right where you're actually you see Nancy Cartwright future

842
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,519
Bart Simpson running and screaming from drawn cartoons like draw cartoons,

843
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,639
and it's scary. I don't know how they did that.

844
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,639
That's amazing. And then you've got John Lithgow putting on

845
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,920
the performance of his life as this guy who sees

846
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:13,400
a true creature and everyone else doubts him and takes

847
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,480
the plane down. These are all fantastic stories, all four

848
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:20,320
of them in one movie, and you guys are dismissing

849
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,320
it nuts. You're both nuts.

850
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 4: Do I have a chance for one little tag for it?

851
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,559
So you just said two minutes ago, it's a horror

852
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:34,719
movie and it's supposed to be scary. Tell me what

853
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,239
is scary about Kick the Can.

854
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: Twilight Zone is not a horror movie.

855
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, No. Creep show is supposed to be

856
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,599
a horror movie.

857
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: It's a I wouldn't even put it in as a

858
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,199
whoreor it's like a horror comedy.

859
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,559
Speaker 3: It wasn't funny either.

860
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 4: Oh wow, well, Jason, it's been real fun for having

861
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,440
me out a couple of times.

862
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,199
Speaker 3: Guys, Hey, Amanda, don't forget I'm the one that had

863
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,280
nine inch nails on my list. Okay, I just want

864
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,000
to remind.

865
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,679
Speaker 4: You of that, so I'm excited. I can't wait for that.

866
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,440
I will say that, out of the two movies, the

867
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:09,280
Nightmare twenty thousand feet is the scariest segment from both movies.

868
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's amazing for sure.

869
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

870
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: Well, Amanda, thanks for coming on for your last Surely

871
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,079
you Can't be serious podcast? Right, I'll fell.

872
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,119
Speaker 3: Invite her back. These are more fun when we disagree.

873
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: We're so glad to have you though. Thank you for

874
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,679
being here. Hope you enjoyed its. Guys going back to

875
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,760
these Okay, guys, you got to chime in.

876
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,519
Speaker 3: Hit us up. You can email us Surely Podcast at

877
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,760
gmail dot com, and please tell Jason and Amanda that

878
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,199
they need to go rewatch these movies again and not

879
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:36,800
be crazy.

880
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 4: Oh I feel I feel you should put a poll

881
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,800
out there because them care about to get a wake

882
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,199
up call.

883
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,079
Speaker 3: You know what we can We can do a pay

884
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,599
We can do a poll on our Patreon page, which

885
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,639
thank you for the setup there, Amanda. If you guys

886
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:51,280
are interested in being a part of our Patreon family,

887
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,159
all you have to do is go to patreon dot

888
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:57,519
com slash Surely Podcast and you can join for free.

889
00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:59,920
You can get to listen to our secret episodes for

890
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,440
as little as five bucks a month, and we do

891
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:04,639
things like polls on hey, what do you guys think?

892
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,079
Is it creep Show or is it twilight Zone? And

893
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,559
you can participate in that as well, So come join

894
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:11,800
us for that. Amanda, thank you very much.

895
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: Thank you.

896
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: As usual, listen to what we have next week before

897
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:21,880
we release Amanda, we have Creed versus Nickelback. Never made

898
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:22,960
it as a wise man.

899
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 5: I couldn't cut in as a poor man stealing live

900
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,239
in like a blind man.

901
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 3: Are they worth the hate?

902
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: Are they worth the hate? We're gonna dive in. Amanda's

903
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,440
gonna co host one of those episodes.

904
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 5: No no, no, no no.

905
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: You guys asked that decline you don't need two hours

906
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,039
of Amanda being angry?

907
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: Well that's gonna be fun. We're gonna dive into that

908
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,880
subject and come back next week to hear that.

909
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, see you guys.

910
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,679
Speaker 2: Thanks