WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:19.559 At a. 2 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:51.320 Book in. 3 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:30.159 Tonight's guest wish is to a mean anonymous and with 4 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:33.480 that in mind, I'm just gonna call her TJ. TJ. 5 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:34.879 Welcome to the show. 6 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:37.599 Hi Vic, thanks for having me. 7 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.280 Thanks so much for being here. We appreciate your time. TJ. 8 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:44.599 Please give us a brief bio on yourself. 9 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:51.439 I am forty nine years old. I am originally from Millington, Tennessee. 10 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:57.799 I have worked in the medical field for about twenty years, 11 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:01.760 and I retire early so I could stay home with 12 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:05.599 my son. After I had my son, and in twenty sixteen, 13 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.800 we packed up from Millington and moved to Pensacola, Florida. 14 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.960 So you moved from Millington to Pensacola. What kind of 15 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:15.280 a culture shock was at. 16 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:21.240 It's not that different because Millington's a Navy town and 17 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:24.639 Pensacola is a Navy town as well. Like we're surrounded 18 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:29.280 by the naval air bases and the Blue Angels are 19 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:33.680 based out here, and they would always come to Millington 20 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:39.599 for events and do flyovers over the house and whatnot. 21 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:42.319 So it wasn't that much of a culture shock. Actually, 22 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.319 it was kind of like being home. 23 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:46.599 Well, well, that's really good. 24 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:46.800 Then. 25 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:50.000 Sounds like you just adjusted right away. That's always a 26 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:54.719 good thing. Speaking of Millington, that's where your encounter happened 27 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:58.000 in two thousand and two. Were you living inside the 28 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.199 city limits at the time, though, on the outskirts or 29 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:02.439 outside of town? 30 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:09.240 We actually would have been considered at the time Shelby County. 31 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:13.800 We were just outside of the Millington what they call 32 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.560 the Millington at Annex, so it was Shelby County. 33 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.800 I see, sounds like you were just a mile or 34 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:23.840 two outside of the city limits. 35 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.879 In Oh, yeah, I don't even know if it was 36 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.280 actually a full mile. We were just barely outside the 37 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.960 city limits, so you were closed. 38 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.479 Then. What was Millington like back then? 39 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:43.080 It was, you know, when I was younger, it was 40 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.919 an actual naval a school, like the only inland Navy 41 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.719 base that we had that was a school that they 42 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.680 would teach at. But during this time two thousand and two, 43 00:03:54.840 --> 00:04:00.280 the school had closed and they started. It was a 44 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.960 lot of like big wigs, I guess you would consider 45 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.439 big wigs. I'm not necessarily a military person, like my 46 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.680 family's never been in the military, but there were like 47 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.800 a lot of admirals and generals and things like that 48 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.560 that were stationed there. 49 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.480 So this wasn't exactly a two stoplight town. It adds 50 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:21.319 some size to it. 51 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.759 It sounds like it did. It did, especially after the 52 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:31.920 school closed and the generals and the admirals and all 53 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.319 these other people came in, Like it grew it really 54 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.199 it boomed after that, the whole the little town boomed. 55 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.319 Sounds like a good place to live, just outside of 56 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:44.959 You had all the benefits of living that close to 57 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.480 a town that size, which you're living out in the country, 58 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.240 so you also had all the benefits that came along 59 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:54.920 with that, unfortunately, including having dogmen around. But we'll get 60 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.759 into that in just a bit here. Before we spoke 61 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.279 for the first time, even though you're encountered, how and 62 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.199 roughly twenty years ago, how much trouble were you having 63 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.399 dealing with that experience. 64 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:12.199 Immediately afterwards. It was odd because immediately afterwards it was 65 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:18.519 one of those things where I just didn't talk about it. 66 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.480 I didn't talk about it. I put it out of 67 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:24.199 my mind. It was a weird thing that happened, and 68 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:27.399 it was almost I think it was almost like a denial. 69 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:29.600 In fact, that was the way I coped with it. 70 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:31.959 It was denial. It was just maybe you know, I 71 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:38.680 dreamed it. I second guessed myself a lot, so yeah, 72 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:41.959 that's basically how I dealt with it. Was just sheer denial. 73 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.959 Was that effective and dealing with that experience or did 74 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:49.600 it not work all that Well? 75 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:54.480 It was effective until it got dark, and then that's 76 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:59.240 when kind of that subconscious fear would set in. And 77 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:03.439 we also we have coyote out there, so hearing them. 78 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.959 I'm not sure if you've ever heard coyote yelp and 79 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.319 carry on, especially during the spring when it's mating season, 80 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:15.000 but it's very very eerie, and yeah, that would kind 81 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.800 of set me off a little bit. But other than that, 82 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:21.800 like it worked well. 83 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.279 I'm glad it worked at least part of the time. 84 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.879 But yeah, I'm sure hearing those coyotes that didn't help 85 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.800 at all. Yeah, answer your question. We do have coyotes 86 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.079 here behind my house. It's not fun once they decide 87 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.639 to start piping up late at night. Not a good 88 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:40.079 thing at all. But that's all right, you'll have that. Sometimes. 89 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.319 You were rinding a home next door to your parents' 90 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.600 home at the time. Did your parents own your home though. 91 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:52.560 They did not, they were just they do now, but 92 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.079 at the time they were really good friends with our 93 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.720 landlord who had my parents had lived there for ages 94 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:05.319 like ages, and they were good friends with him. So 95 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:10.160 when he had it up for rent, my parents had 96 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.839 asked them if it was okay, you know, and so 97 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.600 we kind of had a nice little way to get 98 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.600 our own little house. But yeah, that's how we got it. 99 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.240 Yeah, sounds like that did work out. Well. Have your 100 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:25.000 parents lived there all that long? 101 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:30.040 Let's see, my brother I have an older brother who's 102 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:34.759 seven years older than me, and he was probably two 103 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.560 or three when they moved to that house, so they've 104 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:47.800 been there. They have been there for probably fifty two 105 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:49.120 years at this point. 106 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:53.240 Wow, and that is a long time. Have they ever 107 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:58.079 noticed anything strange that might have hinted that something strange, 108 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:00.680 like a dog mean, might have been lurking around? 109 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:07.920 Not necessary, There's been strange occurrences, but not necessarily dog 110 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:13.680 man per se. There's been some paranormal stuff that goes 111 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.600 on just around the not just with my parents' house, 112 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.199 but our house, my sister and I his house as well, 113 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:25.920 and just Millington in general. You know, odd lights, but 114 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.560 a lot of times we blew that off as it's 115 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:32.879 a military base and they have, you know, stealth fighters 116 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:35.720 over there, and so we just kind of blew it 117 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.240 off as military to be honest. 118 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:41.879 Well, I'm sure it's no mystery to you that military 119 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:44.600 bases can have a pretty good amount of strange things 120 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:48.399 happening on and around them. So maybe this is all connected. 121 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:51.440 I don't know. Speaking of your sister, she was with 122 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.440 you when you had your encounter. What can you tell 123 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:54.759 us about her? 124 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:59.080 My sister is seven years younger than I am. We 125 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:03.000 worked at the same hospital together. I worked nights and 126 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:07.720 she worked second shift in the emergency room. And now 127 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.679 she continues living in the same house. She has two girls, 128 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:16.679 and she does medical coding for Progressive Insurance. 129 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:19.559 Well, if you have to have a dog, meaning the counter, 130 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.600 it's always better, or at least I should say, it's 131 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:24.799 normally better to not have it alone, to have someone 132 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:26.919 else with you. And it sounds to me like you're 133 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.200 you have a really good relationship with your sisters, so 134 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.919 that just helps that much more, it really does. 135 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good thing. 136 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:40.360 Do you think you're ever going to be able to 137 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.039 live in the country again without being paranoid? Now that 138 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:44.600 you know that dogmen are out there. 139 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:51.919 That's a good question. I don't I want to say yes, 140 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.200 but I think I would be really, really careful, especially 141 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:04.600 if I have animals. I have dogs and cats and 142 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:08.039 things like that. I would be real careful. And you know, 143 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:10.720 you always hear those stories of Appalachia and they close 144 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.320 the blinds at night and lock the doors and you 145 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:17.000 don't pay attention to any sounds you hear outside. I 146 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.960 would probably almost be like that when it comes to 147 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:21.840 living out in the country. 148 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:27.679 Yeah, don't look outside at night. Uh, I get it. Unfortunately, 149 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:30.679 your son saw one about thirteen years after you and 150 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.240 your sister did. Did you ever tell him about your experience? 151 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:39.200 No, no, I never told him about it. I didn't 152 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:43.360 want to scare him from going over to my parents' 153 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:47.480 house and visiting, as you know, his grandparents, and surely 154 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:52.759 I didn't want him because he and my sister's oldest child, 155 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.720 oldest daughter, they're real close. They're close like me and 156 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:00.279 my sister are, and I didn't want him scared to 157 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.120 go over there to play with her. So no, I 158 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.720 never told him. I didn't tell him about it until 159 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:08.799 way after, when he was old enough to. 160 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:14.080 Know a lot of parents would have handled it that way. Yeah, 161 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:16.279 it just might be a really good way to handle it. 162 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:18.639 You know him better than anyone else in the world, 163 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.960 so you would definitely be the best judge on that 164 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.840 on how to handle that. How's he dealing with that 165 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:26.080 experience now? Has he come to terms with it? 166 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:34.559 He has? He? I mean, his experience is what prompted 167 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:39.360 me to start talking more about my experience because he 168 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.600 is a little bit more open about it than I was. 169 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:47.399 But he's the same way as I am when it 170 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:50.879 comes to There's just certain places he doesn't necessarily want 171 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.679 to be at after dark, and he, you know, gets 172 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:57.799 a little gets a little jumpy, and I mean he 173 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.919 for the longest time he would sleep in the same 174 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:06.840 room with me and his dad because he was scared 175 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.399 of the dark, like he just fearful. 176 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:12.960 Well, everything you just told us about how you responded 177 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.399 is totally understandable. You see a dogman that's going to 178 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.159 tend to make you afraid of the dark. I get it. 179 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:22.840 I do. Before I ask TJ to tell us about 180 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:24.879 her encounter, I just want to remind you of that. 181 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.679 Tonight's the premiere of my new dogman podcast. It's called 182 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.720 dog Me and Tails. And it features fictional stories about 183 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.279 dog men. Dog Me and Tails isn't available on YouTube 184 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.840 for listening. It's only available in podcast format. With that said, 185 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.519 if you'd like to check it out, which I hope 186 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.679 you will, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and visit 187 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.000 the podcast page. There you'll find links to the new 188 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:52.399 show if you already have a favorite podcast app, though, 189 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.919 dog Me and Tails is available anywhere you can listen 190 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.559 to podcasts. Having said all that, tonight I published the 191 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.519 first four episodes of the show. I hope you like him, 192 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.080 all right, TJ. Please tell us about your encounter. Now, 193 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:07.200 give us every last detail that comes to mind. 194 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:13.919 Okay. It was two thousand and two and it was 195 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.279 around eight thirty nine o'clock at night. My sister and 196 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.600 I were leaving from my parents' house. We had had 197 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:27.120 dinner with my parents that evening, and we had a 198 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:31.279 black German shepherd. Her name was Kaylee. She would walk 199 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.440 with us over to our parents' house and then we 200 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.320 would bring her home at night, and all we were 201 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:38.720 doing was crossing the yard. We didn't even have to 202 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:43.159 go in the streets to walk next door because we 203 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.279 had a chain link fence and it had a gate. 204 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:46.879 My dad had put a gate in so we could 205 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:49.519 just walk, you know, in the yard. But I always 206 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.120 had to carry a flashlight with me because Kaylee was 207 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.720 so dark you couldn't see her at night. So, and 208 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:57.519 she was a puppy, she was, I mean, she was 209 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:59.720 a year old, but she was still a puppy, and 210 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.679 she would run circles around you. And I used the 211 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.840 flashlight to keep an eye on her. And we were 212 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:14.360 walking home and she took off running, growling and barking, 213 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:18.039 went through the gate to our side of the fence 214 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:21.759 to our house, my sister and I's house, and hit 215 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:26.279 the gate, snarling and growling and barking at something that 216 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:30.440 she saw in the field across from our houses. We 217 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:35.320 have this huge field, and that year they were growing 218 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:42.039 corn in the field and the corn was about ready 219 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.159 to be harvested because they had the machines out there 220 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:49.320 to harvest the corn. I noticed that that night, and 221 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:52.200 so it had to have been about six foot tall. 222 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.399 So Kaylee is barking and growling and carrying on, and 223 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:58.720 I couldn't figure out what it was she was barking 224 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:03.480 at because she very rarely reacted like that. So I 225 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.399 took the flashlight and shined it in the field to 226 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:09.240 see if I could set eyes on what it was 227 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.679 she was barking at. I was thinking maybe apossum or 228 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.120 you know, raccoon or whatever. And I noticed the corn 229 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.240 stalks moving a little bit and I kind of stopped 230 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.759 and I flashed the flashlight on it, and I saw 231 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.799 something shadowy there. And when I hit the flashlight directly 232 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.080 on it went it stood up. And when it stood up, 233 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:38.720 it was I would say seven about seven foot seven 234 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:45.639 to eight foot tall, dark fur, and it had the 235 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:50.799 ears like a German shepherd, and it had amber eyes. 236 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:56.759 The eye shine was amber colored. And it was just 237 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.559 far enough in the field to where I could see it, 238 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.159 but it was more it was shadowy like it was. 239 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.799 I couldn't tell. I assumed the fur was black. I'm 240 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:11.679 not real sure because the visibility wasn't that great because 241 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.600 it was a little further out in the field. But 242 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.639 it stood up and I could see it from it's 243 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.559 probably midway up its chest and up and it had 244 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.600 the big broad shoulders. And as soon as it stood up, 245 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:33.279 Kaylee yelped and took off for our front door and 246 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.120 was scratching and clawing at our front door to get 247 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.720 in and crying. And by the time my sister and 248 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:44.159 I got up to the front porch, Kaylee had urinated 249 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:49.279 on the front porch, and you know, I was trying 250 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:51.440 to fumbling for my keys, trying to get the key 251 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.639 in the door and get the door open. And as 252 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:55.399 soon as I got the door open, she took off 253 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.200 into the house and went under my bed and hid 254 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:01.159 under my bed and she did not out until that morning. 255 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.440 Till the next morning, I didn't hear a peat from her. 256 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.680 And after that, my sister and I closed you know, 257 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.920 we locked up the house, pulled the blinds and kind 258 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.880 of looked at each other, like what what was that? 259 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:20.119 What did we just see? Because when it stood up 260 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:22.240 like it did and I saw the ears and the 261 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:29.759 you know, the the fur, I immediately thought werewolf because 262 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.039 that's the best way I could describe it. That's what 263 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:36.960 it looks like. I didn't know anything about dog Man 264 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.319 or any of it. I didn't know nothing. I knew 265 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.880 nothing about it prior to this event, to this encounter. 266 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.319 But yeah, my sister and I just locked the house up, 267 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:50.880 pulled down the shades, closed the blinds, and like that 268 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.920 was weird, and that was it like, we did not 269 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.640 talk about it after that. We didn't tell our parents 270 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:01.440 what we saw, We didn't tell any of our friends 271 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:05.319 what we saw. It was just one of these things 272 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.599 where it was unspoken between us and we just never 273 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:09.279 talked about it. 274 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:12.759 Do you have any regrets about not talking openly about 275 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.160 it with your sister or are you glad you did that? Still? 276 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:23.519 I'm glad I did it because I think both of 277 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:29.359 our defense mechanisms. You know, It's like I said, it 278 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.599 was just kind of a denial thing, and I knew 279 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.559 what I saw, She knew what she saw. We both 280 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:42.680 understood that we witnessed it together. The dog acted the 281 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:46.039 way the dog acted that and we kind of had 282 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:49.039 this understanding that even if we told our parents or 283 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:53.359 told anybody, our friends or whatever, that they wouldn't believe us. 284 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:55.440 I think they would think we were crazy, or that 285 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:57.599 it was like some sort of shared hallucination. 286 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.319 Yeah, you haven't experience like that. It's pretty hard to 287 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.680 share it with people because you know darn well in 288 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.839 most cases, they're not going to believe you, So why 289 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.359 start all that mess? I get it. You're walking from 290 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:14.359 your parents home to your home when your encounter happened, 291 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:16.799 you said, but how far of a walk is at. 292 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:26.640 Oh, it's not far at all. I would say maybe 293 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.359 five six hundred feet from one house to the other. 294 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:33.599 Well, that's still a pretty good walk. That's not a 295 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:39.119 hop skipping to jump when all this happened, was Kaylee 296 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.920 closer to the dog man than you were or vice versa. 297 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:50.440 She would have been closer because she hit the front 298 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:53.079 part of our fence like she went exactly like she 299 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:58.640 went straight to the spot where he was. And yeah, 300 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:00.559 she would have been closer because my sister and I 301 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.400 kind of stood in the driveway behind her, and that's 302 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.440 when I was shining the light trying to see what 303 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:08.200 it was that she was barking at. 304 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:11.160 If she went right to the spot where the dog 305 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.559 man was, how close did she get to the dog man? 306 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:22.359 He was a little ways in the field, So I 307 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.680 mean he was close. He was closer than he should 308 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.960 have been. I mean, I would think he was probably 309 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:30.119 about fifty feet. 310 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:34.000 Away, fifty feet from you or from Keihley. 311 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.920 He would have been fifty feet from us. He would 312 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.759 have been a little bit closer to Kaylee because it 313 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:43.839 was so you have our fence than our ditch, than 314 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:46.720 our little street, and the streets are not very big. 315 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:50.880 It's enough for two cars to pass another ditch and 316 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:54.640 then the field. So I would say with Kaylee, he 317 00:20:54.880 --> 00:21:01.119 was a little bit closer since it was nighttime. I'm 318 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.319 not a real good judge of distance. 319 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.519 Well, that's all right, just so I'm clear, though, when 320 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.960 Kighley started barking, he was just to hear under fifty 321 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:17.319 feet from her. Yes, okay, I see. So if she 322 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.720 was just to hear less than fifty feet from him 323 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:22.559 when she started going off, how close did she get 324 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:23.559 when she approached it? 325 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:30.039 Oh, I don't know. I have no idea. And the 326 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.759 way the field is set up, it's kind of so 327 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:35.799 these fields that they plan in, you know, they have 328 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:39.720 the runoffs for the water for the irrigation, so it 329 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:44.039 kind of dips down as well, so like our houses 330 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:50.160 are built slightly higher than what the field is. So 331 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:53.119 that distance kind of messes me up. But I mean 332 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:58.319 she had to have been fairly close to him, because 333 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.000 even from where I was looking, he looked huge when 334 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.359 he still well, I mean he was because the he 335 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:05.680 was towering over the corn. 336 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:08.799 Yeah, if you could see him that easily over the corn, 337 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:12.480 he must have been but thinking of angles. I mean, 338 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.200 she is a shepherd, She's not that tall off the ground, 339 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.039 and if the corn was about six feet tall. Could 340 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.920 she even see the dog man when she first started barking, 341 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:22.000 but then he stood up? 342 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:28.400 I think she smelled something in the air, That's what 343 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.039 I'm because I did not I saw the corn moving. 344 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:34.480 I didn't see anything in the corn at first until 345 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:36.839 he stood up. I just noticed it was moving. And 346 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:41.359 because I was thinking coyote, because sometimes the coyote would 347 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:47.279 come fairly close to the houses. But yeah, she when 348 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.119 we as soon as we opened our gate that separated 349 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:54.960 our houses, she hit the fence and was growling and barking. 350 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.920 So it makes me think she picked up on a scent. 351 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.480 You're probably right, she probably did. Now, just so unclear 352 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.200 on all this. When she started going off, How close 353 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:07.000 were you to her? 354 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:11.799 I was about five feet away from her. 355 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:16.160 Okay, so really close? Mm hmm, yeah you were. Then 356 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.519 after you put your flashlight beam on the dog mean 357 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:22.359 and it stood up, did it seem to be mad at 358 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:24.720 you that you saw it, or did it seem to 359 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:25.599 be nonchalant? 360 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:34.119 It was very nonchalant. I got the feeling that, I mean, 361 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.039 I got the feeling that it was watching us, but 362 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.759 it was more interested in her and Kaylee than it 363 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:43.119 was us. 364 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:48.079 Now that might be because Kaylee sounded the alarm and 365 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.119 brought your attention to its presence. But yeah, you can't 366 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.559 think for these things. As you know, it's hard to 367 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.440 say what was in its head at the time. Now 368 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:58.559 as you're standing there looking at this dog me and 369 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:02.599 towering over the corn and looking at its features. If 370 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.279 it was down in all fours and wasn't quite so big, 371 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:10.519 would it look almost wolfish enough to pass as a 372 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:15.000 huge timber wolf where its features too monstrous for that 373 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:21.279 to even be the keys. 374 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:25.839 I don't know, I would almost think that it would 375 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:29.960 pass for Yeah, I mean I think it would pass 376 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.960 for something like a timber wolf. I mean just from 377 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:35.400 and I didn't get a whole lot of detail from 378 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:37.640 it because it was dark, and then you know, when 379 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.440 it stood up, like I did not stick around to actually, 380 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.079 you know, take in all the features I left. 381 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:49.960 But yeah, I mean it was very it was very 382 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.880 wolf like. I mean, that's that's the only way I'd 383 00:24:54.960 --> 00:25:00.839 explain it. It. Just the thought of where wolf went 384 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.079 through my head because it stood up and the way 385 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.519 it was standing. It was standing like a man. But yeah, 386 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:11.039 I could see where it would be. It could pass 387 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:18.640 for a very very large wolf like dire wolf size almost. 388 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:20.480 Well some of that way. Some would pass as a 389 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:24.559 huge timberwolf if they're down on all fours. Others they're 390 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.079 just way too monstrous in their appearance to have a 391 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.680 chance of passing as a wolf or anything like that. 392 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.119 So you never know. That's why I asked that question. 393 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:36.799 After it did stand up, though, did it turn and 394 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:39.759 face you or stand facing a different direction? 395 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.400 It was facing us. It was facing us because when 396 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.319 the flashlight hit its eyes, I mean I looked at 397 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:54.119 dead in the eyes, just you know, with the eyes shine. 398 00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.039 Oh I'm sure you did. I think almost anyone would 399 00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:59.559 when you hit it in the eyes with that beam. Though, 400 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.640 did you ever noticed a shift in the she the 401 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:04.039 color of its eye glow? 402 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.000 I didn't. It wasn't anything, honestly to me, it wasn't 403 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:17.319 anything unusual like it looked like natural eye shine. It 404 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:24.240 was just that amber color, that golden amber color. And 405 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.200 to be honest, even to this day, I don't know 406 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:28.960 if that's natural eye shine with any other predators that 407 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.279 are out there or not. I've never actually looked into that. 408 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:36.240 But yeah, I mean, nothing struck me other than its 409 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:40.359 standing up on two legs and looking at us, and 410 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:45.559 just that feeling of it knows that we see it, 411 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.279 you know. Other than that, I would almost take it 412 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.119 for like a natural almost a natural predator. 413 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:57.200 This is asking a lot because he had so much 414 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:00.519 going through your mind at the time. But by do 415 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.599 you remember if you noticed any glow from its eyes 416 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:05.519 before the beam hit its eyes? 417 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.920 Off hand, No, I don't remember the eyes glowing prior 418 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:13.480 to me hitting it with the flashlight. 419 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.279 Well, like I said, you had so much going through 420 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:19.319 your head. You're doing good to know your name, so 421 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:23.519 you can't be foulded for that. Poor Kayley, though it 422 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.319 frightened her so bad she needed on herself after she 423 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:29.000 made it to the front door. Does she suffer from 424 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.960 any behavioral issues after that? 425 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.839 She didn't like going out at night anymore. After that 426 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.519 we would have to get her. She would go out 427 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.400 just as the sun was starting to set, and then 428 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:44.319 she would come into the house and get under my 429 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.119 bed and sleep for the rest of the night and 430 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.680 go out in the morning. Which prior to that, she 431 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:56.119 was very We called her our feral dog because she 432 00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:58.640 was very wild, Like she was really hard to train, 433 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.400 and she liked to just be free, and she would 434 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.599 run between our yards and you know, my parents in 435 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.960 our yard. And but yeah, after that, she stayed inside 436 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.319 at night most of the time, when usually she would 437 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:14.880 like to stay outside at night. 438 00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.680 Poor Keelle, it really took it out of her. I 439 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.599 can understand why. Believe it or not, some dogs actually 440 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.400 suffer a complete personality change after seeing a dog mean 441 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.920 like that. It sounds like she didn't. She just wore 442 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.720 off every wanting to go outside at night afterwards. But 443 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:39.240 did you notice any aspects of her personality change she. 444 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:46.680 Was She seems like she was more fearful of people 445 00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:52.119 and everything. We would like I when my when I 446 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.480 met my husband and we had started dating, she like 447 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.799 I think he only saw her once because she would 448 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.119 hide from people, like she and she didn't. She wasn't 449 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.519 like that. When she was younger. She was very I mean, 450 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.519 she was kind of suspicious of everybody, but she wouldn't 451 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:13.599 go and hide. She just I don't know, she kind 452 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:17.240 of withdrew after this, like she just kind of kept 453 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.880 to her her little immediate family us and my parents 454 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:26.559 and eventually my sister's oldest girl after she was born. 455 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.240 But that was it, Like anybody, any stranger that came over, 456 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:32.319 you would not know we had a dog, like she 457 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:33.119 would disappear. 458 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:39.920 Well, poor thing. Yeah, that really affected her understandably. So though, 459 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.640 did your parents hear Achille going off that night and 460 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.920 never wonder why she was doing that? Did they ever 461 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:48.599 tell you after the fact? 462 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.799 No, And that's what makes it so bizarre, like they 463 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.839 did not hear any of it at all. 464 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.359 Well, yeah, that is strange. Were you about halfway between 465 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:03.799 your house and their house at the time or a 466 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:05.839 lot closer to your house, because if you were that 467 00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:08.440 much closer to your house, then I guess in a 468 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:09.599 way that would explain it. 469 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.480 We were closer to ours when it stood up, I 470 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.039 was standing, we were in our driveway, like I was 471 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:22.880 standing right behind Kaylee. So so yeah, yeah. 472 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.160 That would explain it. That's a pretty good amount of distance. 473 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.799 You didn't tell your parents right away about what happened 474 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.400 that night, but have you ever told them period about 475 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:32.039 that encounter? 476 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.119 My sister and I told my dad, and he does 477 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:44.599 not believe what we saw, Like he believes in Bigfoot, 478 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:46.799 but he doesn't believe in dog man. Like he's in 479 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:48.759 total denial about it. 480 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.440 Huh. Yeah, it's hard to understand why some people can 481 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.920 be so convinced the sasquatch are out there, even though 482 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.720 I haven't seen a sasquatch. But they just dismiss out 483 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.559 of hand the possibility the dogmen or reality. But a 484 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.240 lot of people think that way for whatever reason. That's 485 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:08.279 just how it is. How about your husband, have you 486 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:08.839 told him? 487 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:16.039 Yes, I've told him, and he totally believes me because 488 00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.920 you know, well, then my son's encounter as well, So. 489 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:23.839 Well, that's good. I'm so glad he does believe you. 490 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.759 That's a really good thing. It's always so frustrating when 491 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:31.119 a significant other doesn't believe that their wife or husband 492 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.759 had an encounter. Some even make fun of them, which 493 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.480 is even worse. But it's just horrible when that happens. 494 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.720 It really is. If they do support their significant other, 495 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.559 it makes such a difference. It's always such a good thing, 496 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.160 it really is. Did you seem to handle that experience 497 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:50.039 better or worse than your sister? 498 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.079 She and I are so much alike. I mean we 499 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.599 pretty much. I think we handled it about the same. 500 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:00.720 We both handled it about the same. Every once in 501 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:03.920 a while we'll call. We would call each other throughout 502 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.519 the years because it would just kind of we would 503 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.920 see something on TV that would prompt it, like the 504 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.000 whole just reliving that whole thing, and we would call 505 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.839 each other every once in a while and be like, 506 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.400 did we really see this? Is this something that actually happened, 507 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.720 because there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot 508 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.039 of self doubt. I think that's the big thing, is 509 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:31.680 this disbelief in what you saw. But yeah, we pretty 510 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.039 much handled that the same way. 511 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.440 Self doubt goes along with dog me and the encounters 512 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.640 like peanut butter and jelly. So that's a normal part 513 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.279 of it. And I was having second thoughts about even 514 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.000 asking that question because you two didn't even talk about 515 00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.519 the encounter. You said, So if that was the case, 516 00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.119 you wouldn't really have a beat on how well or 517 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:54.880 how poorly she was dealing with it. 518 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.880 Right, right, she dealt with it the same way I did. 519 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.279 But I mean we would discuss it every once in 520 00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.640 a while, once in a blue moon. What really, I 521 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.200 think prompted us talking about it that Hey, do you 522 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:14.400 remember when we saw was when a few years later 523 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:19.680 we saw Linda Godfrey on something talking about the Beast 524 00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:21.680 of Bray Road, and my sister and I looked at 525 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.759 each other like, oh, okay, so this is actually a thing. 526 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.680 And then we kind of, you know, briefly, kind of 527 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.559 talked about it and that was it. But yeah, she 528 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:35.920 handled it about the as well as I did. We 529 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.359 didn't really talk about it. We didn't discuss it outside 530 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.640 the family, and I mean we didn't even discuss it 531 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:43.240 with our family until years later. 532 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.079 Yeah, that's some people choose to handle it, and for 533 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.920 some people that works well, but for most it doesen't. 534 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.079 I'm just glad that you're able to deal with that 535 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.559 experience as well as you have, Thank goodness for that. 536 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.880 How long did you and your sister live in that house? 537 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:07.920 Let's see after the encounter, we well, she's still there, 538 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.159 I want to say we lived. I lived there for 539 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:24.239 probably another three to four years, probably about four years, 540 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.119 and then we moved. Then when I got married, I 541 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:32.239 moved further north to uh Atoka, to Tipton County. 542 00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.920 Was it agonizing to stay there that long after having 543 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.719 that experience or did you take it in stride? 544 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:42.159 I just kind of took it in stride. I just 545 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.760 never we never really again. I mean, we would get 546 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.199 nervous or not nervous, but just kind of antsy when 547 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.920 it got dark looking at the field. And it didn't 548 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:55.960 matter what they were growing in the field, whether it 549 00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:00.320 was soybean or cotton or corn or whatever. I mean, 550 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.840 if they grew corn again, that would really kind of 551 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:11.480 freak us out. But yeah, we didn't really think that 552 00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:14.800 much about it until it got dark. But then at 553 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.519 the time when she and I were it was just 554 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:20.320 us and we were living together. We didn't stay home 555 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.320 a lot at night, like I worked nights, and then 556 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:29.480 she would go with her husband, well boyfriend at the time, 557 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.039 you know, they would go out or whatever, and then 558 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:35.920 he would come back and stay at the house, that 559 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:36.519 type of thing. 560 00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.199 So yeah, even if you don't have a dog in 561 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.920 the encounter, when you've got corn grown that close to 562 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:43.960 your house and everything on the country, it is kind 563 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.639 of creepy at times at night. So I get it. 564 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.039 And with that in mind, if you stayed there for 565 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.199 four years after the encounter, even with crop rotations and everything, 566 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.039 I would expect at least one of the years for 567 00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:58.480 corn to be grown there. 568 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:05.840 Did they Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, with my son's experience, 569 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:11.079 they it was corn again that year. As a matter 570 00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.239 of fact, I asked her not long ago if what 571 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.280 they were growing in the field, and she thinks it's 572 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.320 going to be corn this year as well, because they've 573 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.039 not started the the they would have already planted, like 574 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:26.800 soybean and cotton or sunflowers. Now we've had sunflowers out 575 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:30.639 in that field too, So, oh, you know, that's. 576 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.760 Just as bad. Your son's encounter happened thirteen years after 577 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.000 he had your encounter, though you said that you lived 578 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.800 in that house just for four years after you had 579 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:43.079 your experience. I was just wondering if sometime in that 580 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.880 four year span, even with crop rotations, if they grew 581 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.119 corn again, which I would expect that they did. 582 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.320 Oh, they did. I'm sure they did. Within Yeah, within 583 00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.599 the thirteen years of hours and his experience. Yeah. And 584 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.159 the thing my thing is is, and I do think 585 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.320 about that, is how many times have we gone to 586 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.840 visit my parents or gone over to my sister's house 587 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.679 or whatnot, and it's been in the field and we 588 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.079 not know it because I would not have known it 589 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.000 was there had it not been for Kle, just like 590 00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.639 I would not have known it was there had it 591 00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:22.519 not been for my son. 592 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:27.000 Well, there's good news and bad news to it. I'd 593 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.519 be awfully surprised if on more times than you could 594 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.480 shake a stick at it was there in the field 595 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.599 watching you. But at the same time, if it was 596 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.639 there and it watched you, it never hurt you. So 597 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.199 that does count for something after all. 598 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:45.280 Right, right, and it has you know, I often wonder 599 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.840 all the years we had heard the coyote carrying on 600 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.960 and sounding like they were fighting. I've often wondered about that, 601 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.039 like are they fighting each other or are they fighting 602 00:37:56.079 --> 00:38:00.360 something else? Like that's kind of low key, subconsciously kind 603 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.320 of gone through my head over the years. 604 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:06.119 That's one of the funny things about dog men TJ. 605 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.880 I Mean, sometimes they'll be running with coyotes and everything 606 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.639 seems hunky dory, seems like their best buds, and all 607 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.920 of a sudden, without any cause, you'll see the dog 608 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.599 men reach out and grab a coyote that's within reach 609 00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:22.599 and just rip it apart no reason whatsoever, no rhyme 610 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:26.039 nor reason. So maybe something like that was going on 611 00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:28.119 that night and that's why you heard that commotion, But 612 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.800 it's really hard to say. I mean, that could just 613 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.679 be normal behavior from the coyotes, because we all know 614 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.719 when you have coyotes around like this, they do make 615 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.400 some noise on occasion. 616 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.199 Yeah, they do, they do. And the ones we had 617 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.599 would come up fairly close to that. They would never 618 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.440 come out of the field, but they would come up 619 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.760 fairly close to the house. But whenever it was it's funny. 620 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.840 It's eerie because they would come up close to the 621 00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.679 house and you can hear them howling and carrying on, 622 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:03.480 and all the dogs in the neighborhood would stop barking 623 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.320 like it was just silence. You wouldn't hear anything other 624 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.159 than the coyotes. 625 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.559 Yeah, it's not fun when they do that, but it's 626 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:12.719 a good trade off still for living out in the country. 627 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.519 It's nothing like it. You told us about your experience 628 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.760 that you and your sister had, But please tell us 629 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.840 about your son's encounter. Now give us every last detail 630 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:23.719 that comes to mind. 631 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:29.280 Okay. It was twenty fifteen. He was about four or 632 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:34.360 five years old. We had dropped him off at my 633 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.880 parents' house because my husband and I had gone out 634 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:43.559 for the evening. So I would say this encounter. By 635 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.800 the time we picked him up at the house at 636 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.559 my parents' house it was probably eleven something like that, 637 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:57.360 ten thirty eleven o'clock, and I had him in the 638 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:02.360 back in his car seat, the car running and the 639 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.800 doors closed, and it was kind of chilly outside. I 640 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.199 don't remember. I would say, again, they had corn growing 641 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.519 in the field, so I would say it had to 642 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:19.199 have been probably September, because you know, they again, they 643 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.679 had the harvesting equipment out there. They were about to 644 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:26.320 harvest the corn, and it was fairly cool outside, and 645 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.480 he all of a sudden, I was talking to my 646 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.519 mom and dad saying we were saying goodbye, and you know, 647 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.119 if you're from the South or know anything about the South, Southerners, 648 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:40.079 their goodbyes are probably thirty minutes long. And all of 649 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.000 a sudden, he rolls down the window and he's like, Mom, 650 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:48.119 we need to go. We need to go now. And 651 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.000 even though at four and five, my son has a 652 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:55.360 very big vocabulary, he's very intelligent, very verbal, like he 653 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.320 you know, he knows. He's an old soul is what 654 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:03.840 I call him. He's very intelligent for his age. And 655 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.039 I said, okay, baby, you know we're saying goodbye to 656 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.800 Mama and Papa. We'll be there in a minute, and 657 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.559 He's like, no, we need to go right now, Mom, 658 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.360 We need to go right now. And he kept looking 659 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:22.920 like back, turning his head to the rights, looking kind 660 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.280 of back at the field, which I didn't notice. He 661 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.480 was kind of like turning himself in his car seat 662 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.800 to look back. And so we said goodbye, got in 663 00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.079 the car, told my mom. I was like, Okay, he's tired. 664 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:35.960 He wants to go home. So we get in the 665 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.639 car and we drive off and we're halfway to our 666 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.440 house in a Toka, which is about that drive is 667 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:51.199 about fifteen minutes between houses. And he was telling me 668 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.239 that he saw something in the field that looks like 669 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.599 a big dog that stood up and it was staring 670 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:06.559 at him and it had amber colored eyes. And I 671 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.480 think the only reason why he actually saw it was 672 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.400 because there was a car that had driven past that 673 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.360 I guess the headlights where I guess to where it 674 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.960 was standing. The headlights hit it hit the hit it 675 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.400 standing in the field. I don't think he actually I 676 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.239 think this one was just standing there. I think it 677 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.400 was already on two legs. I don't know that it 678 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:33.320 was actually crouched in the corn like our original original story, 679 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:38.039 are the two thousand and two encounter. But he said, 680 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.039 and he could he knew it was watching us. He 681 00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:44.679 could tell it was watching us, and in his head 682 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:50.519 he just had the idea that it was telling us, 683 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.199 or telling him, I could kill you all if I 684 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:58.800 wanted to, which, you know, for somebody that's four or 685 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.960 five years old, that's kind of a weird thing for 686 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:10.840 kids to say. And because he was so young, I 687 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:15.400 told him, oh, you know, it's your imagination, you know, 688 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.880 there's it's probably it was probably a black bear that 689 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.760 had mange, because they look really, really creepy when they 690 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.239 have mange, and they can stand up on their hind legs. 691 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:27.119 And I was like, you know, it's just, you know, 692 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.960 maybe don't worry about it. It's fine. And and he didn't, 693 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.760 I think it. I don't know that he ever actually 694 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.719 believed me when I told him that, but it seemed 695 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.440 to calm him down a little bit. I just didn't 696 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.400 want him to be scared of going over to seeing 697 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.000 his aunt and seeing my grand you know, my parents 698 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.000 and all of that. And then it wasn't until he 699 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:55.559 was probably ten maybe that I told him about mine 700 00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.960 and my sister's experience. And I want to say originally 701 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:04.159 that didn't come from me. It came from his cousin, 702 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.039 his older cousin that he's close with. I think she 703 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.079 had mentioned it to him and then he asked me, 704 00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:13.199 and that's when I finally told Amyah, we did see something, 705 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:17.199 and it sounds pretty similar to what you saw, only 706 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.840 it didn't. I just knew that it was watching us. 707 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.320 It didn't Actually I didn't actually hear anything in my 708 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.719 head from it or whatever, like he did. 709 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.760 Wow, four or five years old, that's way too young 710 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:33.280 to have a dog encounter. It's not like it's fun 711 00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.639 and games when you have an encounter when you're an adult. 712 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:40.199 But still at that age, that's really rough. Being so 713 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.559 young the way he was, did you have a lot 714 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:43.880 of problems with nightmares? 715 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:53.760 He did have nightmares, and like I said, he had, 716 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:58.679 I mean he was He would have nightmares and it 717 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:03.280 was a struggle to get him to sleep in his 718 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:06.960 own bed for a long time after that. And even 719 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.559 then there were times where you know, my husband and 720 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.000 I would wake up and he'd make his little bed 721 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.599 on the floor and sleep in our on our floor, 722 00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:19.880 you know, in our bedroom or whatever. So yeah, I 723 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:27.000 mean he's always had nightmares. Now I don't know if 724 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.880 it was, if it's directly related to it, if it 725 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.320 has a dog, like it's a nightmare about a dog 726 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:35.639 man or whatever. I know some of some of the 727 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.119 dreams he's had have been like that, but he's always 728 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:42.000 had very vivid nightmares afterwards. 729 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:46.000 Him having nightmares like that the way he did, that'd 730 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.159 be awfully frustrating for you, because I don't want to 731 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.679 put thoughts into your head. But weren't you convinced that 732 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.480 these dog mans had a center around that experience? 733 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:06.159 I mean, I would think so that that's it. Do 734 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.440 I think they caused it? Is that what you're asking? 735 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:09.400 Yes? 736 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:14.159 Yeah, yeah, I would think so. That's because I mean 737 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:18.039 he's always and it's you have to be kind of 738 00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.880 careful with kids too, because they have such a big imagination, 739 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:26.559 and he most definitely did. But just him telling me 740 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:31.480 exactly what it was he saw and how it related 741 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.039 to so much of what me and my sister saw, 742 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.159 you know, I knew, I knew it wasn't his imagination. 743 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.639 I knew it wasn't a bear with Mange. I wish 744 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:42.679 it had been, but you know, I knew that in 745 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:46.840 my heart that's not what it was. And but yeah, 746 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:50.639 I definitely do. I definitely do think they caused it. 747 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.039 I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Him 748 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:57.000 having nightmare is the way he did, had to be 749 00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.840 awfully frustrating for you. With that in mind, did you 750 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.920 ever try to remedy those nightmares by doing anything special? 751 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:13.159 A lot of times I would try to. He's sensitive anyways, 752 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.119 He's very sensitive to energies and all of that. He's 753 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:23.440 very connected spiritually, in my opinion, But I would try 754 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:30.599 to teach him to listen to I would have sounds 755 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.360 of the ocean on and let him concentrate on that 756 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:39.840 and the sounds of the ocean good thoughts. Imagine having 757 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:44.039 a shield around him, blocking all the bad things and 758 00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:49.280 all the negative things coming through, and you know, trying 759 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:55.800 to affect him. And that worked somewhat. I think it 760 00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.000 worked better as he got older and learned how to 761 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:08.920 build a shield around him, you know, to block certain things. 762 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.079 But yeah, that's how I went about it. Was just 763 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.199 a lot of music, a lot of nice relaxing music 764 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.280 and telling him, you know, you're safe here I met. 765 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.000 There's a big bubble around the house, a big shield 766 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.559 around the house. Nothing can penetrate it. We have the 767 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.679 dogs we have, you know, and that seemed to give 768 00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.199 him some comfort, But he'd still end up in our 769 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:33.960 room at night, you know, just because he had had 770 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:35.840 a dream or just scared of the dark. 771 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.840 That is a difficult situation all this put you in. 772 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.519 I can only imagine the thoughts it must have been 773 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.079 going through your head, and how frustrating all this must 774 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.079 have been. If he's a sensitive, that makes them more 775 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.719 likely to have encounters than most people. Unfortunately, did you 776 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:53.159 know that. 777 00:48:54.679 --> 00:49:01.360 I did. Yeah, I'm aware. I I didn't know specifically 778 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:08.039 towards like cryptids or dog men or whatnot, but I've 779 00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:13.920 heard stories like I'm more of growing up, I'm more 780 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:17.559 of like a ghost person as far as paranormal goes. 781 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:20.519 I've never been. I like the stories of Bigfoot and whatnot, 782 00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:23.320 and you know they were I'll always listen to them. 783 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:29.280 But yeah, so I'm always I was always like ghost 784 00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:33.800 and all that type of stuff. But yeah, lately I've 785 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.119 heard I've been hearing stories where you're sensitive, you're more 786 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.079 likely to have like some sort of a cryptid encounter 787 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.199 or or you know whatever. 788 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:47.880 That's right, Yes, not just ghosts, it's cryptids too. Unfortunately, 789 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.400 you said that he's a precocious kid and he's always 790 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.719 been that way. Do you think that worked to his 791 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:57.559 advantage or to his detriment what it came to dealing 792 00:49:57.639 --> 00:49:58.559 with that experience. 793 00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:09.840 I almost think it was more a detriment because he 794 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:16.199 is so smart and he knew even at that age 795 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.719 what he saw was legitimate that it was not a 796 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.000 bear with mange. And you're talking about a kid that 797 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:26.159 likes animals anyways, like he would he wants to be 798 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.880 a marine biologist after he gets out of school. But 799 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:33.360 he so, he's he's very he was always into animals, 800 00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.239 and he was always so him being you know, four 801 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.400 or five years old, but he knew exactly what he 802 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:41.960 was seeing. So yeah, I think it was If he 803 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:46.320 had been just a normal, regular kid, I think he 804 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:51.119 would have been more inclined to believe me and just saying, oh, 805 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.199 it's nothing to worry about, it's just a bear. They 806 00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.960 usually mind their business, don't worry about it, and it 807 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.239 would have been fine. But not him. And then again 808 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.039 that whole sensitive thing, like he picked up on something, 809 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:04.880 he picked up on something negative. 810 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.760 You are his mother, after all, so it's totally understandable 811 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.119 that you try to insulate him the way he did 812 00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:15.440 from what actually happened. But in hindsight, do you have 813 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.800 any misgivings about telling him that it was just a 814 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.840 mengi beer and not telling him what it actually was 815 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:22.480 or are you still okay with that? 816 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.599 I'm still okay with it because I think if I 817 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:37.239 had given him validation for that sighting or validated his 818 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.920 I think it would have made it worse. I think 819 00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:45.199 he would have been even more fearful than he already was. 820 00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.000 I'm sure you're right about that. Like I said, you 821 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.119 know him better than anyone in the world, so who 822 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:53.960 would know better than you had to handle that the 823 00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:57.360 best way. That's all there is to it. Now that 824 00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.960 he's older, has he tried to learn as much as 825 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.320 he can about dog men or does he just try 826 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.400 to avoid the subject altogether as much as possible. 827 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:10.960 He and I both will kind of dive into Like 828 00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:17.159 we love Aaron Dese and his documentaries that he's been 829 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.000 doing about dog men. We'll sit down together and watch 830 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:27.159 them because we're just it's amazing how many people have 831 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.960 these same encounters and all of us we don't go, 832 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:33.239 we don't talk about it. We go for years and 833 00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:36.199 years and years without talking to people about it, and 834 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.679 then you see something as well made as some of 835 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:44.559 these documentaries that have come out. You know, it's gotten 836 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.320 to a thing where he and I will watch those 837 00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:49.239 together and look at each other like, oh, okay, so 838 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.960 that explains that, Like, that's I did not know that. 839 00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.039 I did not know that. You know, the amber eye 840 00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:57.400 thing was was a big one because I was like, 841 00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.639 I didn't know that was an odd thing. But apparently 842 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:05.760 I just thought it was a normal I shine, you know. 843 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.800 So But yeah, now he's not as into it as 844 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.079 I am because I'm going through and looking up like 845 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:20.840 historical things like an old Chickasaw Indian Native American tales 846 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:25.079 for that area. He's just like, yeah, I'll watch the 847 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:26.480 documentary and that's about it. 848 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:28.880 Well, I think it's great that the two of you 849 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:33.400 watched these documentaries together. That's wonderful. That's how it should be. 850 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.320 You'd already seen your own dog man, But when you 851 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.480 told you about the message you heard in his head, 852 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.599 did that mortify you or did you not believe him? 853 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.480 That scared me. That scared me because I kind of 854 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.079 took it as a threat even though it said, you know, 855 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:56.760 I could if I wanted to, but it did not. Yeah, 856 00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:02.639 that's kind of scared me, and especially a child that's 857 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:07.159 four and five years old, you know, that kind of 858 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.679 made that actually made me angry. 859 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:13.960 To be quite honest, I can understand why that's horrible. 860 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.000 As if it isn't bad enough, him being so young 861 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:21.880 and having that experience is so traumatic already by itself, 862 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.559 he has to have a message like that in his head. 863 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:29.000 That's horrible. It really is. You waited until he was 864 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:32.000 ten to tell him about your encounter. Was he mad 865 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:35.440 at you for hiding your encounter from him or did 866 00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:36.400 he take it in stride. 867 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:43.320 He wasn't angry, but he was kind of like, I 868 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:48.480 cannot believe you told me it was a bear with mange. 869 00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:52.599 After all those years and then you have that encounter 870 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:57.239 and you know, I'm not crazy. I didn't see things, 871 00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:59.320 and I was just like, I never said you were crazy. 872 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.960 I just you know, I just I did not want 873 00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:04.320 you to be because I know you, and I know 874 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.400 how you are. When the sun goes down and you're 875 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.440 over it your grandparents, you're going to be calling me 876 00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.360 wanting to come home because you're afraid the thing's going 877 00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.360 to be out in the field again. So you know 878 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.000 that's why I told you what I told you. But yeah, 879 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.960 now he wasn't angry angry, he was just kind of 880 00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:29.119 teasing me for not being upfront with him about it. 881 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.360 Well, you only did that to try to protect him. 882 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:35.480 He's still a kid, so it's doubtful he's going to 883 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.719 understand that. But as always, you're just looking out for 884 00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:40.119 his best interest. 885 00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:44.440 Yeah, yeah, he and he knows that. He knows that now, 886 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:52.480 but he just I think his thing was he whereas 887 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:55.519 me and my sister had each other where we could, 888 00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:58.280 you know, if we wanted to talk about it, we could. 889 00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.639 I think his thing was he really didn't have anybody 890 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:05.280 to talk about it with. And I think that's where 891 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:11.840 my niece comes in. I think maybe he had mentioned 892 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.119 something to her and she said and she, you know, 893 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:20.280 had told him, Oh, well, you know, my mom and 894 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:23.559 your mom had something like that walking home one night. 895 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.559 That's what my mom told me. Because she's a few 896 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:26.679 years older than he is. 897 00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:30.400 I'm so glad he's got her to talk with about this. 898 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.119 I mean, when you have an experience like that, when 899 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.519 you're a kid, it's always better if you have peers 900 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.679 you can bounce things off of. But at least he 901 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:41.920 had her or has her to do that, so thank 902 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:42.599 goodness for that. 903 00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.840 Yeah. Yeah, they're close. They're very close, like me and 904 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:48.880 my sister are close. 905 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:53.559 So well, that's really good. Did your dad not believe 906 00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:56.440 in you when you told him about your experience strain 907 00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.239 your relationship with him? Or were you okay with that? 908 00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:04.079 Oh? No, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. 909 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:09.280 What's funny about my dad is it kind of depends 910 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:13.519 on his mood when he wakes up, Like one day 911 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:16.079 he'll be I don't believe in any of that, and 912 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:17.960 then the next day he'll be like, have you been 913 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.920 watching this new stuff on Bigfoot? So I just kind 914 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:25.639 of dismiss it. But you know, it's funny because lately, 915 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.800 and I talked to my sister about this, the last 916 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.760 few times i've called him, he has specifically brought up 917 00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.760 dog Man and I don't know if he's watching documentaries 918 00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:40.320 on it or if he's you know, and he keeps 919 00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.000 bringing it up to me, and I don't tell him 920 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:46.159 my story anymore. I'm just like, uh huh, uh huh, 921 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.159 And he's just like, yeah, I don't really I don't 922 00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.840 really believe in all that. I think that's just people 923 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:57.440 are just misidentifying some animals, you know, that they see 924 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:02.119 or whatever. And now it makes me wonder if he's 925 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.800 actually seen something and he's kind of trying to bring 926 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.280 up the topic because my father, my father is one 927 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.119 of those. He's eighty now, he's one of those that 928 00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:21.000 he's just he's not going to bring it up, like, 929 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:25.480 he's not going to admit that he's seen something unless 930 00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:27.199 I bring up the topic first. 931 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:29.880 Well, if he's still living there, he just might have 932 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:31.960 seen one. What are you going to do if he 933 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:34.440 does call you aplet one night crying for help because 934 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.119 he just saw a dog man? Are you going to 935 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.519 rebuff him or listen to him? 936 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.480 Oh? I'll listen to him. I'll absolutely listen to him, 937 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.400 you know. And I'll also tell him I told you so. 938 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.960 Oh that's a given you have to do that. He's 939 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:55.119 got that coming. Before I ask you for your closing comments, TJ, 940 00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:57.320 I just want to remind everyone that the first four 941 00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:01.079 episodes of my new Dogmian podcast are revealed for listening now. 942 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.039 I just publish them tonight again. The new podcast is 943 00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.400 called dog Me Entails And to find out how to 944 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:11.559 listen please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and visit the 945 00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:15.000 podcast page. I posted links for the new show there. 946 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:18.000 Now we have that taken care of, TJ. Do you 947 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:19.800 have any clothes in comments you'd like to share? 948 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:27.320 No, I don't, other than beware of the corn fields. 949 00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:31.360 Yeah, they definitely do seem to be drawn to them. Well, 950 00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:33.400 I can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the 951 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:36.840 details of not only your experience, but your son's experience 952 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:38.679 as well. I really appreciate it. 953 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:42.119 Well, thank you, Thank you for having me. It's been 954 00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:43.639 very helpful talking about it. 955 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.960 Well, that's great. I'm glad it's been beneficial. Well, if 956 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:49.639 I can ever help you out in the future, please 957 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.480 do let me know. Hopefully there won't be any problems, 958 00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.840 but if you do have any down the road, I'll 959 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:56.880 be there for you. So please remember that. 960 00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.480 Oh I will. I appreciate that. 961 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.000 Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a 962 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:04.519 great night.