Speaker 1: At a.
Speaker 2: Book in.
Speaker 3: Tonight's guest wish is to a mean anonymous and with
Speaker 3: that in mind, I'm just gonna call her TJ. TJ.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hi Vic, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for being here. We appreciate your time. TJ.
Speaker 3: Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 2: I am forty nine years old. I am originally from Millington, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: I have worked in the medical field for about twenty years,
Speaker 2: and I retire early so I could stay home with
Speaker 2: my son. After I had my son, and in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: we packed up from Millington and moved to Pensacola, Florida.
Speaker 3: So you moved from Millington to Pensacola. What kind of
Speaker 3: a culture shock was at.
Speaker 2: It's not that different because Millington's a Navy town and
Speaker 2: Pensacola is a Navy town as well. Like we're surrounded
Speaker 2: by the naval air bases and the Blue Angels are
Speaker 2: based out here, and they would always come to Millington
Speaker 2: for events and do flyovers over the house and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't that much of a culture shock. Actually,
Speaker 2: it was kind of like being home.
Speaker 3: Well, well, that's really good.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 3: Sounds like you just adjusted right away. That's always a
Speaker 3: good thing. Speaking of Millington, that's where your encounter happened
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two. Were you living inside the
Speaker 3: city limits at the time, though, on the outskirts or
Speaker 3: outside of town?
Speaker 2: We actually would have been considered at the time Shelby County.
Speaker 2: We were just outside of the Millington what they call
Speaker 2: the Millington at Annex, so it was Shelby County.
Speaker 3: I see, sounds like you were just a mile or
Speaker 3: two outside of the city limits.
Speaker 2: In Oh, yeah, I don't even know if it was
Speaker 2: actually a full mile. We were just barely outside the
Speaker 2: city limits, so you were closed.
Speaker 3: Then. What was Millington like back then?
Speaker 2: It was, you know, when I was younger, it was
Speaker 2: an actual naval a school, like the only inland Navy
Speaker 2: base that we had that was a school that they
Speaker 2: would teach at. But during this time two thousand and two,
Speaker 2: the school had closed and they started. It was a
Speaker 2: lot of like big wigs, I guess you would consider
Speaker 2: big wigs. I'm not necessarily a military person, like my
Speaker 2: family's never been in the military, but there were like
Speaker 2: a lot of admirals and generals and things like that
Speaker 2: that were stationed there.
Speaker 3: So this wasn't exactly a two stoplight town. It adds
Speaker 3: some size to it.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it did. It did, especially after the
Speaker 2: school closed and the generals and the admirals and all
Speaker 2: these other people came in, Like it grew it really
Speaker 2: it boomed after that, the whole the little town boomed.
Speaker 3: Sounds like a good place to live, just outside of
Speaker 3: You had all the benefits of living that close to
Speaker 3: a town that size, which you're living out in the country,
Speaker 3: so you also had all the benefits that came along
Speaker 3: with that, unfortunately, including having dogmen around. But we'll get
Speaker 3: into that in just a bit here. Before we spoke
Speaker 3: for the first time, even though you're encountered, how and
Speaker 3: roughly twenty years ago, how much trouble were you having
Speaker 3: dealing with that experience.
Speaker 2: Immediately afterwards. It was odd because immediately afterwards it was
Speaker 2: one of those things where I just didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2: I didn't talk about it. I put it out of
Speaker 2: my mind. It was a weird thing that happened, and
Speaker 2: it was almost I think it was almost like a denial.
Speaker 2: In fact, that was the way I coped with it.
Speaker 2: It was denial. It was just maybe you know, I
Speaker 2: dreamed it. I second guessed myself a lot, so yeah,
Speaker 2: that's basically how I dealt with it. Was just sheer denial.
Speaker 3: Was that effective and dealing with that experience or did
Speaker 3: it not work all that Well?
Speaker 2: It was effective until it got dark, and then that's
Speaker 2: when kind of that subconscious fear would set in. And
Speaker 2: we also we have coyote out there, so hearing them.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you've ever heard coyote yelp and
Speaker 2: carry on, especially during the spring when it's mating season,
Speaker 2: but it's very very eerie, and yeah, that would kind
Speaker 2: of set me off a little bit. But other than that,
Speaker 2: like it worked well.
Speaker 3: I'm glad it worked at least part of the time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm sure hearing those coyotes that didn't help
Speaker 3: at all. Yeah, answer your question. We do have coyotes
Speaker 3: here behind my house. It's not fun once they decide
Speaker 3: to start piping up late at night. Not a good
Speaker 3: thing at all. But that's all right, you'll have that. Sometimes.
Speaker 3: You were rinding a home next door to your parents'
Speaker 3: home at the time. Did your parents own your home though.
Speaker 2: They did not, they were just they do now, but
Speaker 2: at the time they were really good friends with our
Speaker 2: landlord who had my parents had lived there for ages
Speaker 2: like ages, and they were good friends with him. So
Speaker 2: when he had it up for rent, my parents had
Speaker 2: asked them if it was okay, you know, and so
Speaker 2: we kind of had a nice little way to get
Speaker 2: our own little house. But yeah, that's how we got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like that did work out. Well. Have your
Speaker 3: parents lived there all that long?
Speaker 2: Let's see, my brother I have an older brother who's
Speaker 2: seven years older than me, and he was probably two
Speaker 2: or three when they moved to that house, so they've
Speaker 2: been there. They have been there for probably fifty two
Speaker 2: years at this point.
Speaker 3: Wow, and that is a long time. Have they ever
Speaker 3: noticed anything strange that might have hinted that something strange,
Speaker 3: like a dog mean, might have been lurking around?
Speaker 2: Not necessary, There's been strange occurrences, but not necessarily dog
Speaker 2: man per se. There's been some paranormal stuff that goes
Speaker 2: on just around the not just with my parents' house,
Speaker 2: but our house, my sister and I his house as well,
Speaker 2: and just Millington in general. You know, odd lights, but
Speaker 2: a lot of times we blew that off as it's
Speaker 2: a military base and they have, you know, stealth fighters
Speaker 2: over there, and so we just kind of blew it
Speaker 2: off as military to be honest.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure it's no mystery to you that military
Speaker 3: bases can have a pretty good amount of strange things
Speaker 3: happening on and around them. So maybe this is all connected.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Speaking of your sister, she was with
Speaker 3: you when you had your encounter. What can you tell
Speaker 3: us about her?
Speaker 2: My sister is seven years younger than I am. We
Speaker 2: worked at the same hospital together. I worked nights and
Speaker 2: she worked second shift in the emergency room. And now
Speaker 2: she continues living in the same house. She has two girls,
Speaker 2: and she does medical coding for Progressive Insurance.
Speaker 3: Well, if you have to have a dog, meaning the counter,
Speaker 3: it's always better, or at least I should say, it's
Speaker 3: normally better to not have it alone, to have someone
Speaker 3: else with you. And it sounds to me like you're
Speaker 3: you have a really good relationship with your sisters, so
Speaker 3: that just helps that much more, it really does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: Do you think you're ever going to be able to
Speaker 3: live in the country again without being paranoid? Now that
Speaker 3: you know that dogmen are out there.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't I want to say yes,
Speaker 2: but I think I would be really, really careful, especially
Speaker 2: if I have animals. I have dogs and cats and
Speaker 2: things like that. I would be real careful. And you know,
Speaker 2: you always hear those stories of Appalachia and they close
Speaker 2: the blinds at night and lock the doors and you
Speaker 2: don't pay attention to any sounds you hear outside. I
Speaker 2: would probably almost be like that when it comes to
Speaker 2: living out in the country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't look outside at night. Uh, I get it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: your son saw one about thirteen years after you and
Speaker 3: your sister did. Did you ever tell him about your experience?
Speaker 2: No, no, I never told him about it. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to scare him from going over to my parents'
Speaker 2: house and visiting, as you know, his grandparents, and surely
Speaker 2: I didn't want him because he and my sister's oldest child,
Speaker 2: oldest daughter, they're real close. They're close like me and
Speaker 2: my sister are, and I didn't want him scared to
Speaker 2: go over there to play with her. So no, I
Speaker 2: never told him. I didn't tell him about it until
Speaker 2: way after, when he was old enough to.
Speaker 3: Know a lot of parents would have handled it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it just might be a really good way to handle it.
Speaker 3: You know him better than anyone else in the world,
Speaker 3: so you would definitely be the best judge on that
Speaker 3: on how to handle that. How's he dealing with that
Speaker 3: experience now? Has he come to terms with it?
Speaker 2: He has? He? I mean, his experience is what prompted
Speaker 2: me to start talking more about my experience because he
Speaker 2: is a little bit more open about it than I was.
Speaker 2: But he's the same way as I am when it
Speaker 2: comes to There's just certain places he doesn't necessarily want
Speaker 2: to be at after dark, and he, you know, gets
Speaker 2: a little gets a little jumpy, and I mean he
Speaker 2: for the longest time he would sleep in the same
Speaker 2: room with me and his dad because he was scared
Speaker 2: of the dark, like he just fearful.
Speaker 3: Well, everything you just told us about how you responded
Speaker 3: is totally understandable. You see a dogman that's going to
Speaker 3: tend to make you afraid of the dark. I get it.
Speaker 3: I do. Before I ask TJ to tell us about
Speaker 3: her encounter, I just want to remind you of that.
Speaker 3: Tonight's the premiere of my new dogman podcast. It's called
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Speaker 3: all right, TJ. Please tell us about your encounter. Now,
Speaker 3: give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Okay. It was two thousand and two and it was
Speaker 2: around eight thirty nine o'clock at night. My sister and
Speaker 2: I were leaving from my parents' house. We had had
Speaker 2: dinner with my parents that evening, and we had a
Speaker 2: black German shepherd. Her name was Kaylee. She would walk
Speaker 2: with us over to our parents' house and then we
Speaker 2: would bring her home at night, and all we were
Speaker 2: doing was crossing the yard. We didn't even have to
Speaker 2: go in the streets to walk next door because we
Speaker 2: had a chain link fence and it had a gate.
Speaker 2: My dad had put a gate in so we could
Speaker 2: just walk, you know, in the yard. But I always
Speaker 2: had to carry a flashlight with me because Kaylee was
Speaker 2: so dark you couldn't see her at night. So, and
Speaker 2: she was a puppy, she was, I mean, she was
Speaker 2: a year old, but she was still a puppy, and
Speaker 2: she would run circles around you. And I used the
Speaker 2: flashlight to keep an eye on her. And we were
Speaker 2: walking home and she took off running, growling and barking,
Speaker 2: went through the gate to our side of the fence
Speaker 2: to our house, my sister and I's house, and hit
Speaker 2: the gate, snarling and growling and barking at something that
Speaker 2: she saw in the field across from our houses. We
Speaker 2: have this huge field, and that year they were growing
Speaker 2: corn in the field and the corn was about ready
Speaker 2: to be harvested because they had the machines out there
Speaker 2: to harvest the corn. I noticed that that night, and
Speaker 2: so it had to have been about six foot tall.
Speaker 2: So Kaylee is barking and growling and carrying on, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't figure out what it was she was barking
Speaker 2: at because she very rarely reacted like that. So I
Speaker 2: took the flashlight and shined it in the field to
Speaker 2: see if I could set eyes on what it was
Speaker 2: she was barking at. I was thinking maybe apossum or
Speaker 2: you know, raccoon or whatever. And I noticed the corn
Speaker 2: stalks moving a little bit and I kind of stopped
Speaker 2: and I flashed the flashlight on it, and I saw
Speaker 2: something shadowy there. And when I hit the flashlight directly
Speaker 2: on it went it stood up. And when it stood up,
Speaker 2: it was I would say seven about seven foot seven
Speaker 2: to eight foot tall, dark fur, and it had the
Speaker 2: ears like a German shepherd, and it had amber eyes.
Speaker 2: The eye shine was amber colored. And it was just
Speaker 2: far enough in the field to where I could see it,
Speaker 2: but it was more it was shadowy like it was.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell. I assumed the fur was black. I'm
Speaker 2: not real sure because the visibility wasn't that great because
Speaker 2: it was a little further out in the field. But
Speaker 2: it stood up and I could see it from it's
Speaker 2: probably midway up its chest and up and it had
Speaker 2: the big broad shoulders. And as soon as it stood up,
Speaker 2: Kaylee yelped and took off for our front door and
Speaker 2: was scratching and clawing at our front door to get
Speaker 2: in and crying. And by the time my sister and
Speaker 2: I got up to the front porch, Kaylee had urinated
Speaker 2: on the front porch, and you know, I was trying
Speaker 2: to fumbling for my keys, trying to get the key
Speaker 2: in the door and get the door open. And as
Speaker 2: soon as I got the door open, she took off
Speaker 2: into the house and went under my bed and hid
Speaker 2: under my bed and she did not out until that morning.
Speaker 2: Till the next morning, I didn't hear a peat from her.
Speaker 2: And after that, my sister and I closed you know,
Speaker 2: we locked up the house, pulled the blinds and kind
Speaker 2: of looked at each other, like what what was that?
Speaker 2: What did we just see? Because when it stood up
Speaker 2: like it did and I saw the ears and the
Speaker 2: you know, the the fur, I immediately thought werewolf because
Speaker 2: that's the best way I could describe it. That's what
Speaker 2: it looks like. I didn't know anything about dog Man
Speaker 2: or any of it. I didn't know nothing. I knew
Speaker 2: nothing about it prior to this event, to this encounter.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my sister and I just locked the house up,
Speaker 2: pulled down the shades, closed the blinds, and like that
Speaker 2: was weird, and that was it like, we did not
Speaker 2: talk about it after that. We didn't tell our parents
Speaker 2: what we saw, We didn't tell any of our friends
Speaker 2: what we saw. It was just one of these things
Speaker 2: where it was unspoken between us and we just never
Speaker 2: talked about it.
Speaker 3: Do you have any regrets about not talking openly about
Speaker 3: it with your sister or are you glad you did that? Still?
Speaker 2: I'm glad I did it because I think both of
Speaker 2: our defense mechanisms. You know, It's like I said, it
Speaker 2: was just kind of a denial thing, and I knew
Speaker 2: what I saw, She knew what she saw. We both
Speaker 2: understood that we witnessed it together. The dog acted the
Speaker 2: way the dog acted that and we kind of had
Speaker 2: this understanding that even if we told our parents or
Speaker 2: told anybody, our friends or whatever, that they wouldn't believe us.
Speaker 2: I think they would think we were crazy, or that
Speaker 2: it was like some sort of shared hallucination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you haven't experience like that. It's pretty hard to
Speaker 3: share it with people because you know darn well in
Speaker 3: most cases, they're not going to believe you, So why
Speaker 3: start all that mess? I get it. You're walking from
Speaker 3: your parents home to your home when your encounter happened,
Speaker 3: you said, but how far of a walk is at.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not far at all. I would say maybe
Speaker 2: five six hundred feet from one house to the other.
Speaker 3: Well, that's still a pretty good walk. That's not a
Speaker 3: hop skipping to jump when all this happened, was Kaylee
Speaker 3: closer to the dog man than you were or vice versa.
Speaker 2: She would have been closer because she hit the front
Speaker 2: part of our fence like she went exactly like she
Speaker 2: went straight to the spot where he was. And yeah,
Speaker 2: she would have been closer because my sister and I
Speaker 2: kind of stood in the driveway behind her, and that's
Speaker 2: when I was shining the light trying to see what
Speaker 2: it was that she was barking at.
Speaker 3: If she went right to the spot where the dog
Speaker 3: man was, how close did she get to the dog man?
Speaker 2: He was a little ways in the field, So I
Speaker 2: mean he was close. He was closer than he should
Speaker 2: have been. I mean, I would think he was probably
Speaker 2: about fifty feet.
Speaker 3: Away, fifty feet from you or from Keihley.
Speaker 2: He would have been fifty feet from us. He would
Speaker 2: have been a little bit closer to Kaylee because it
Speaker 2: was so you have our fence than our ditch, than
Speaker 2: our little street, and the streets are not very big.
Speaker 2: It's enough for two cars to pass another ditch and
Speaker 2: then the field. So I would say with Kaylee, he
Speaker 2: was a little bit closer since it was nighttime. I'm
Speaker 2: not a real good judge of distance.
Speaker 3: Well, that's all right, just so I'm clear, though, when
Speaker 3: Kighley started barking, he was just to hear under fifty
Speaker 3: feet from her. Yes, okay, I see. So if she
Speaker 3: was just to hear less than fifty feet from him
Speaker 3: when she started going off, how close did she get
Speaker 3: when she approached it?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I have no idea. And the
Speaker 2: way the field is set up, it's kind of so
Speaker 2: these fields that they plan in, you know, they have
Speaker 2: the runoffs for the water for the irrigation, so it
Speaker 2: kind of dips down as well, so like our houses
Speaker 2: are built slightly higher than what the field is. So
Speaker 2: that distance kind of messes me up. But I mean
Speaker 2: she had to have been fairly close to him, because
Speaker 2: even from where I was looking, he looked huge when
Speaker 2: he still well, I mean he was because the he
Speaker 2: was towering over the corn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could see him that easily over the corn,
Speaker 3: he must have been but thinking of angles. I mean,
Speaker 3: she is a shepherd, She's not that tall off the ground,
Speaker 3: and if the corn was about six feet tall. Could
Speaker 3: she even see the dog man when she first started barking,
Speaker 3: but then he stood up?
Speaker 2: I think she smelled something in the air, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm because I did not I saw the corn moving.
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything in the corn at first until
Speaker 2: he stood up. I just noticed it was moving. And
Speaker 2: because I was thinking coyote, because sometimes the coyote would
Speaker 2: come fairly close to the houses. But yeah, she when
Speaker 2: we as soon as we opened our gate that separated
Speaker 2: our houses, she hit the fence and was growling and barking.
Speaker 2: So it makes me think she picked up on a scent.
Speaker 3: You're probably right, she probably did. Now, just so unclear
Speaker 3: on all this. When she started going off, How close
Speaker 3: were you to her?
Speaker 2: I was about five feet away from her.
Speaker 3: Okay, so really close? Mm hmm, yeah you were. Then
Speaker 3: after you put your flashlight beam on the dog mean
Speaker 3: and it stood up, did it seem to be mad at
Speaker 3: you that you saw it, or did it seem to
Speaker 3: be nonchalant?
Speaker 2: It was very nonchalant. I got the feeling that, I mean,
Speaker 2: I got the feeling that it was watching us, but
Speaker 2: it was more interested in her and Kaylee than it
Speaker 2: was us.
Speaker 3: Now that might be because Kaylee sounded the alarm and
Speaker 3: brought your attention to its presence. But yeah, you can't
Speaker 3: think for these things. As you know, it's hard to
Speaker 3: say what was in its head at the time. Now
Speaker 3: as you're standing there looking at this dog me and
Speaker 3: towering over the corn and looking at its features. If
Speaker 3: it was down in all fours and wasn't quite so big,
Speaker 3: would it look almost wolfish enough to pass as a
Speaker 3: huge timber wolf where its features too monstrous for that
Speaker 3: to even be the keys.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I would almost think that it would
Speaker 1: pass for Yeah, I mean I think it would pass
Speaker 1: for something like a timber wolf. I mean just from
Speaker 1: and I didn't get a whole lot of detail from
Speaker 1: it because it was dark, and then you know, when
Speaker 1: it stood up, like I did not stick around to actually,
Speaker 1: you know, take in all the features I left.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it was very it was very
Speaker 2: wolf like. I mean, that's that's the only way I'd
Speaker 2: explain it. It. Just the thought of where wolf went
Speaker 2: through my head because it stood up and the way
Speaker 2: it was standing. It was standing like a man. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I could see where it would be. It could pass
Speaker 2: for a very very large wolf like dire wolf size almost.
Speaker 3: Well some of that way. Some would pass as a
Speaker 3: huge timberwolf if they're down on all fours. Others they're
Speaker 3: just way too monstrous in their appearance to have a
Speaker 3: chance of passing as a wolf or anything like that.
Speaker 3: So you never know. That's why I asked that question.
Speaker 3: After it did stand up, though, did it turn and
Speaker 3: face you or stand facing a different direction?
Speaker 2: It was facing us. It was facing us because when
Speaker 2: the flashlight hit its eyes, I mean I looked at
Speaker 2: dead in the eyes, just you know, with the eyes shine.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sure you did. I think almost anyone would
Speaker 3: when you hit it in the eyes with that beam. Though,
Speaker 3: did you ever noticed a shift in the she the
Speaker 3: color of its eye glow?
Speaker 2: I didn't. It wasn't anything, honestly to me, it wasn't
Speaker 2: anything unusual like it looked like natural eye shine. It
Speaker 2: was just that amber color, that golden amber color. And
Speaker 2: to be honest, even to this day, I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's natural eye shine with any other predators that
Speaker 2: are out there or not. I've never actually looked into that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, nothing struck me other than its
Speaker 2: standing up on two legs and looking at us, and
Speaker 2: just that feeling of it knows that we see it,
Speaker 2: you know. Other than that, I would almost take it
Speaker 2: for like a natural almost a natural predator.
Speaker 3: This is asking a lot because he had so much
Speaker 3: going through your mind at the time. But by do
Speaker 3: you remember if you noticed any glow from its eyes
Speaker 3: before the beam hit its eyes?
Speaker 2: Off hand, No, I don't remember the eyes glowing prior
Speaker 2: to me hitting it with the flashlight.
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, you had so much going through
Speaker 3: your head. You're doing good to know your name, so
Speaker 3: you can't be foulded for that. Poor Kayley, though it
Speaker 3: frightened her so bad she needed on herself after she
Speaker 3: made it to the front door. Does she suffer from
Speaker 3: any behavioral issues after that?
Speaker 2: She didn't like going out at night anymore. After that
Speaker 2: we would have to get her. She would go out
Speaker 2: just as the sun was starting to set, and then
Speaker 2: she would come into the house and get under my
Speaker 2: bed and sleep for the rest of the night and
Speaker 2: go out in the morning. Which prior to that, she
Speaker 2: was very We called her our feral dog because she
Speaker 2: was very wild, Like she was really hard to train,
Speaker 2: and she liked to just be free, and she would
Speaker 2: run between our yards and you know, my parents in
Speaker 2: our yard. And but yeah, after that, she stayed inside
Speaker 2: at night most of the time, when usually she would
Speaker 2: like to stay outside at night.
Speaker 3: Poor Keelle, it really took it out of her. I
Speaker 3: can understand why. Believe it or not, some dogs actually
Speaker 3: suffer a complete personality change after seeing a dog mean
Speaker 3: like that. It sounds like she didn't. She just wore
Speaker 3: off every wanting to go outside at night afterwards. But
Speaker 3: did you notice any aspects of her personality change she.
Speaker 2: Was She seems like she was more fearful of people
Speaker 2: and everything. We would like I when my when I
Speaker 2: met my husband and we had started dating, she like
Speaker 2: I think he only saw her once because she would
Speaker 2: hide from people, like she and she didn't. She wasn't
Speaker 2: like that. When she was younger. She was very I mean,
Speaker 2: she was kind of suspicious of everybody, but she wouldn't
Speaker 2: go and hide. She just I don't know, she kind
Speaker 2: of withdrew after this, like she just kind of kept
Speaker 2: to her her little immediate family us and my parents
Speaker 2: and eventually my sister's oldest girl after she was born.
Speaker 2: But that was it, Like anybody, any stranger that came over,
Speaker 2: you would not know we had a dog, like she
Speaker 2: would disappear.
Speaker 3: Well, poor thing. Yeah, that really affected her understandably. So though,
Speaker 3: did your parents hear Achille going off that night and
Speaker 3: never wonder why she was doing that? Did they ever
Speaker 3: tell you after the fact?
Speaker 2: No, And that's what makes it so bizarre, like they
Speaker 2: did not hear any of it at all.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that is strange. Were you about halfway between
Speaker 3: your house and their house at the time or a
Speaker 3: lot closer to your house, because if you were that
Speaker 3: much closer to your house, then I guess in a
Speaker 3: way that would explain it.
Speaker 2: We were closer to ours when it stood up, I
Speaker 2: was standing, we were in our driveway, like I was
Speaker 2: standing right behind Kaylee. So so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That would explain it. That's a pretty good amount of distance.
Speaker 3: You didn't tell your parents right away about what happened
Speaker 3: that night, but have you ever told them period about
Speaker 3: that encounter?
Speaker 2: My sister and I told my dad, and he does
Speaker 2: not believe what we saw, Like he believes in Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't believe in dog man. Like he's in
Speaker 2: total denial about it.
Speaker 3: Huh. Yeah, it's hard to understand why some people can
Speaker 3: be so convinced the sasquatch are out there, even though
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a sasquatch. But they just dismiss out
Speaker 3: of hand the possibility the dogmen or reality. But a
Speaker 3: lot of people think that way for whatever reason. That's
Speaker 3: just how it is. How about your husband, have you
Speaker 3: told him?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've told him, and he totally believes me because
Speaker 2: you know, well, then my son's encounter as well, So.
Speaker 3: Well, that's good. I'm so glad he does believe you.
Speaker 3: That's a really good thing. It's always so frustrating when
Speaker 3: a significant other doesn't believe that their wife or husband
Speaker 3: had an encounter. Some even make fun of them, which
Speaker 3: is even worse. But it's just horrible when that happens.
Speaker 3: It really is. If they do support their significant other,
Speaker 3: it makes such a difference. It's always such a good thing,
Speaker 3: it really is. Did you seem to handle that experience
Speaker 3: better or worse than your sister?
Speaker 2: She and I are so much alike. I mean we
Speaker 2: pretty much. I think we handled it about the same.
Speaker 2: We both handled it about the same. Every once in
Speaker 2: a while we'll call. We would call each other throughout
Speaker 2: the years because it would just kind of we would
Speaker 2: see something on TV that would prompt it, like the
Speaker 2: whole just reliving that whole thing, and we would call
Speaker 2: each other every once in a while and be like,
Speaker 2: did we really see this? Is this something that actually happened,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of self doubt. I think that's the big thing, is
Speaker 2: this disbelief in what you saw. But yeah, we pretty
Speaker 2: much handled that the same way.
Speaker 3: Self doubt goes along with dog me and the encounters
Speaker 3: like peanut butter and jelly. So that's a normal part
Speaker 3: of it. And I was having second thoughts about even
Speaker 3: asking that question because you two didn't even talk about
Speaker 3: the encounter. You said, So if that was the case,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't really have a beat on how well or
Speaker 3: how poorly she was dealing with it.
Speaker 2: Right, right, she dealt with it the same way I did.
Speaker 2: But I mean we would discuss it every once in
Speaker 2: a while, once in a blue moon. What really, I
Speaker 2: think prompted us talking about it that Hey, do you
Speaker 2: remember when we saw was when a few years later
Speaker 2: we saw Linda Godfrey on something talking about the Beast
Speaker 2: of Bray Road, and my sister and I looked at
Speaker 2: each other like, oh, okay, so this is actually a thing.
Speaker 2: And then we kind of, you know, briefly, kind of
Speaker 2: talked about it and that was it. But yeah, she
Speaker 2: handled it about the as well as I did. We
Speaker 2: didn't really talk about it. We didn't discuss it outside
Speaker 2: the family, and I mean we didn't even discuss it
Speaker 2: with our family until years later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's some people choose to handle it, and for
Speaker 3: some people that works well, but for most it doesen't.
Speaker 3: I'm just glad that you're able to deal with that
Speaker 3: experience as well as you have, Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 3: How long did you and your sister live in that house?
Speaker 2: Let's see after the encounter, we well, she's still there,
Speaker 2: I want to say we lived. I lived there for
Speaker 2: probably another three to four years, probably about four years,
Speaker 2: and then we moved. Then when I got married, I
Speaker 2: moved further north to uh Atoka, to Tipton County.
Speaker 3: Was it agonizing to stay there that long after having
Speaker 3: that experience or did you take it in stride?
Speaker 2: I just kind of took it in stride. I just
Speaker 2: never we never really again. I mean, we would get
Speaker 2: nervous or not nervous, but just kind of antsy when
Speaker 2: it got dark looking at the field. And it didn't
Speaker 2: matter what they were growing in the field, whether it
Speaker 2: was soybean or cotton or corn or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 2: if they grew corn again, that would really kind of
Speaker 2: freak us out. But yeah, we didn't really think that
Speaker 2: much about it until it got dark. But then at
Speaker 2: the time when she and I were it was just
Speaker 2: us and we were living together. We didn't stay home
Speaker 2: a lot at night, like I worked nights, and then
Speaker 2: she would go with her husband, well boyfriend at the time,
Speaker 2: you know, they would go out or whatever, and then
Speaker 2: he would come back and stay at the house, that
Speaker 2: type of thing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, even if you don't have a dog in
Speaker 3: the encounter, when you've got corn grown that close to
Speaker 3: your house and everything on the country, it is kind
Speaker 3: of creepy at times at night. So I get it.
Speaker 3: And with that in mind, if you stayed there for
Speaker 3: four years after the encounter, even with crop rotations and everything,
Speaker 3: I would expect at least one of the years for
Speaker 3: corn to be grown there.
Speaker 2: Did they Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, with my son's experience,
Speaker 2: they it was corn again that year. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I asked her not long ago if what
Speaker 2: they were growing in the field, and she thinks it's
Speaker 2: going to be corn this year as well, because they've
Speaker 2: not started the the they would have already planted, like
Speaker 2: soybean and cotton or sunflowers. Now we've had sunflowers out
Speaker 2: in that field too, So, oh, you know, that's.
Speaker 3: Just as bad. Your son's encounter happened thirteen years after
Speaker 3: he had your encounter, though you said that you lived
Speaker 3: in that house just for four years after you had
Speaker 3: your experience. I was just wondering if sometime in that
Speaker 3: four year span, even with crop rotations, if they grew
Speaker 3: corn again, which I would expect that they did.
Speaker 2: Oh, they did. I'm sure they did. Within Yeah, within
Speaker 2: the thirteen years of hours and his experience. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: the thing my thing is is, and I do think
Speaker 2: about that, is how many times have we gone to
Speaker 2: visit my parents or gone over to my sister's house
Speaker 2: or whatnot, and it's been in the field and we
Speaker 2: not know it because I would not have known it
Speaker 2: was there had it not been for Kle, just like
Speaker 2: I would not have known it was there had it
Speaker 2: not been for my son.
Speaker 3: Well, there's good news and bad news to it. I'd
Speaker 3: be awfully surprised if on more times than you could
Speaker 3: shake a stick at it was there in the field
Speaker 3: watching you. But at the same time, if it was
Speaker 3: there and it watched you, it never hurt you. So
Speaker 3: that does count for something after all.
Speaker 2: Right, right, and it has you know, I often wonder
Speaker 2: all the years we had heard the coyote carrying on
Speaker 2: and sounding like they were fighting. I've often wondered about that,
Speaker 2: like are they fighting each other or are they fighting
Speaker 2: something else? Like that's kind of low key, subconsciously kind
Speaker 2: of gone through my head over the years.
Speaker 3: That's one of the funny things about dog men TJ.
Speaker 3: I Mean, sometimes they'll be running with coyotes and everything
Speaker 3: seems hunky dory, seems like their best buds, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, without any cause, you'll see the dog
Speaker 3: men reach out and grab a coyote that's within reach
Speaker 3: and just rip it apart no reason whatsoever, no rhyme
Speaker 3: nor reason. So maybe something like that was going on
Speaker 3: that night and that's why you heard that commotion, But
Speaker 3: it's really hard to say. I mean, that could just
Speaker 3: be normal behavior from the coyotes, because we all know
Speaker 3: when you have coyotes around like this, they do make
Speaker 3: some noise on occasion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, they do. And the ones we had
Speaker 2: would come up fairly close to that. They would never
Speaker 2: come out of the field, but they would come up
Speaker 2: fairly close to the house. But whenever it was it's funny.
Speaker 2: It's eerie because they would come up close to the
Speaker 2: house and you can hear them howling and carrying on,
Speaker 2: and all the dogs in the neighborhood would stop barking
Speaker 2: like it was just silence. You wouldn't hear anything other
Speaker 2: than the coyotes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not fun when they do that, but it's
Speaker 3: a good trade off still for living out in the country.
Speaker 3: It's nothing like it. You told us about your experience
Speaker 3: that you and your sister had, But please tell us
Speaker 3: about your son's encounter. Now give us every last detail
Speaker 3: that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Okay. It was twenty fifteen. He was about four or
Speaker 2: five years old. We had dropped him off at my
Speaker 2: parents' house because my husband and I had gone out
Speaker 2: for the evening. So I would say this encounter. By
Speaker 2: the time we picked him up at the house at
Speaker 2: my parents' house it was probably eleven something like that,
Speaker 2: ten thirty eleven o'clock, and I had him in the
Speaker 2: back in his car seat, the car running and the
Speaker 2: doors closed, and it was kind of chilly outside. I
Speaker 2: don't remember. I would say, again, they had corn growing
Speaker 2: in the field, so I would say it had to
Speaker 2: have been probably September, because you know, they again, they
Speaker 2: had the harvesting equipment out there. They were about to
Speaker 2: harvest the corn, and it was fairly cool outside, and
Speaker 2: he all of a sudden, I was talking to my
Speaker 2: mom and dad saying we were saying goodbye, and you know,
Speaker 2: if you're from the South or know anything about the South, Southerners,
Speaker 2: their goodbyes are probably thirty minutes long. And all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, he rolls down the window and he's like, Mom,
Speaker 2: we need to go. We need to go now. And
Speaker 2: even though at four and five, my son has a
Speaker 2: very big vocabulary, he's very intelligent, very verbal, like he
Speaker 2: you know, he knows. He's an old soul is what
Speaker 2: I call him. He's very intelligent for his age. And
Speaker 2: I said, okay, baby, you know we're saying goodbye to
Speaker 2: Mama and Papa. We'll be there in a minute, and
Speaker 2: He's like, no, we need to go right now, Mom,
Speaker 2: We need to go right now. And he kept looking
Speaker 2: like back, turning his head to the rights, looking kind
Speaker 2: of back at the field, which I didn't notice. He
Speaker 2: was kind of like turning himself in his car seat
Speaker 2: to look back. And so we said goodbye, got in
Speaker 2: the car, told my mom. I was like, Okay, he's tired.
Speaker 2: He wants to go home. So we get in the
Speaker 2: car and we drive off and we're halfway to our
Speaker 2: house in a Toka, which is about that drive is
Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes between houses. And he was telling me
Speaker 2: that he saw something in the field that looks like
Speaker 2: a big dog that stood up and it was staring
Speaker 2: at him and it had amber colored eyes. And I
Speaker 2: think the only reason why he actually saw it was
Speaker 2: because there was a car that had driven past that
Speaker 2: I guess the headlights where I guess to where it
Speaker 2: was standing. The headlights hit it hit the hit it
Speaker 2: standing in the field. I don't think he actually I
Speaker 2: think this one was just standing there. I think it
Speaker 2: was already on two legs. I don't know that it
Speaker 2: was actually crouched in the corn like our original original story,
Speaker 2: are the two thousand and two encounter. But he said,
Speaker 2: and he could he knew it was watching us. He
Speaker 2: could tell it was watching us, and in his head
Speaker 2: he just had the idea that it was telling us,
Speaker 2: or telling him, I could kill you all if I
Speaker 2: wanted to, which, you know, for somebody that's four or
Speaker 2: five years old, that's kind of a weird thing for
Speaker 2: kids to say. And because he was so young, I
Speaker 2: told him, oh, you know, it's your imagination, you know,
Speaker 2: there's it's probably it was probably a black bear that
Speaker 2: had mange, because they look really, really creepy when they
Speaker 2: have mange, and they can stand up on their hind legs.
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, it's just, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe don't worry about it. It's fine. And and he didn't,
Speaker 2: I think it. I don't know that he ever actually
Speaker 2: believed me when I told him that, but it seemed
Speaker 2: to calm him down a little bit. I just didn't
Speaker 2: want him to be scared of going over to seeing
Speaker 2: his aunt and seeing my grand you know, my parents
Speaker 2: and all of that. And then it wasn't until he
Speaker 2: was probably ten maybe that I told him about mine
Speaker 2: and my sister's experience. And I want to say originally
Speaker 2: that didn't come from me. It came from his cousin,
Speaker 2: his older cousin that he's close with. I think she
Speaker 2: had mentioned it to him and then he asked me,
Speaker 2: and that's when I finally told Amyah, we did see something,
Speaker 2: and it sounds pretty similar to what you saw, only
Speaker 2: it didn't. I just knew that it was watching us.
Speaker 2: It didn't Actually I didn't actually hear anything in my
Speaker 2: head from it or whatever, like he did.
Speaker 3: Wow, four or five years old, that's way too young
Speaker 3: to have a dog encounter. It's not like it's fun
Speaker 3: and games when you have an encounter when you're an adult.
Speaker 3: But still at that age, that's really rough. Being so
Speaker 3: young the way he was, did you have a lot
Speaker 3: of problems with nightmares?
Speaker 2: He did have nightmares, and like I said, he had,
Speaker 2: I mean he was He would have nightmares and it
Speaker 2: was a struggle to get him to sleep in his
Speaker 2: own bed for a long time after that. And even
Speaker 2: then there were times where you know, my husband and
Speaker 2: I would wake up and he'd make his little bed
Speaker 2: on the floor and sleep in our on our floor,
Speaker 2: you know, in our bedroom or whatever. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean he's always had nightmares. Now I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was, if it's directly related to it, if it
Speaker 2: has a dog, like it's a nightmare about a dog
Speaker 2: man or whatever. I know some of some of the
Speaker 2: dreams he's had have been like that, but he's always
Speaker 2: had very vivid nightmares afterwards.
Speaker 3: Him having nightmares like that the way he did, that'd
Speaker 3: be awfully frustrating for you, because I don't want to
Speaker 3: put thoughts into your head. But weren't you convinced that
Speaker 3: these dog mans had a center around that experience?
Speaker 2: I mean, I would think so that that's it. Do
Speaker 2: I think they caused it? Is that what you're asking?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would think so. That's because I mean
Speaker 2: he's always and it's you have to be kind of
Speaker 2: careful with kids too, because they have such a big imagination,
Speaker 2: and he most definitely did. But just him telling me
Speaker 2: exactly what it was he saw and how it related
Speaker 2: to so much of what me and my sister saw,
Speaker 2: you know, I knew, I knew it wasn't his imagination.
Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't a bear with Mange. I wish
Speaker 2: it had been, but you know, I knew that in
Speaker 2: my heart that's not what it was. And but yeah,
Speaker 2: I definitely do. I definitely do think they caused it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Him
Speaker 3: having nightmare is the way he did, had to be
Speaker 3: awfully frustrating for you. With that in mind, did you
Speaker 3: ever try to remedy those nightmares by doing anything special?
Speaker 2: A lot of times I would try to. He's sensitive anyways,
Speaker 2: He's very sensitive to energies and all of that. He's
Speaker 2: very connected spiritually, in my opinion, But I would try
Speaker 2: to teach him to listen to I would have sounds
Speaker 2: of the ocean on and let him concentrate on that
Speaker 2: and the sounds of the ocean good thoughts. Imagine having
Speaker 2: a shield around him, blocking all the bad things and
Speaker 2: all the negative things coming through, and you know, trying
Speaker 2: to affect him. And that worked somewhat. I think it
Speaker 2: worked better as he got older and learned how to
Speaker 2: build a shield around him, you know, to block certain things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's how I went about it. Was just
Speaker 2: a lot of music, a lot of nice relaxing music
Speaker 2: and telling him, you know, you're safe here I met.
Speaker 2: There's a big bubble around the house, a big shield
Speaker 2: around the house. Nothing can penetrate it. We have the
Speaker 2: dogs we have, you know, and that seemed to give
Speaker 2: him some comfort, But he'd still end up in our
Speaker 2: room at night, you know, just because he had had
Speaker 2: a dream or just scared of the dark.
Speaker 3: That is a difficult situation all this put you in.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine the thoughts it must have been
Speaker 3: going through your head, and how frustrating all this must
Speaker 3: have been. If he's a sensitive, that makes them more
Speaker 3: likely to have encounters than most people. Unfortunately, did you
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, I'm aware. I I didn't know specifically
Speaker 2: towards like cryptids or dog men or whatnot, but I've
Speaker 2: heard stories like I'm more of growing up, I'm more
Speaker 2: of like a ghost person as far as paranormal goes.
Speaker 2: I've never been. I like the stories of Bigfoot and whatnot,
Speaker 2: and you know they were I'll always listen to them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I'm always I was always like ghost
Speaker 2: and all that type of stuff. But yeah, lately I've
Speaker 2: heard I've been hearing stories where you're sensitive, you're more
Speaker 2: likely to have like some sort of a cryptid encounter
Speaker 2: or or you know whatever.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yes, not just ghosts, it's cryptids too. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: you said that he's a precocious kid and he's always
Speaker 3: been that way. Do you think that worked to his
Speaker 3: advantage or to his detriment what it came to dealing
Speaker 3: with that experience.
Speaker 2: I almost think it was more a detriment because he
Speaker 2: is so smart and he knew even at that age
Speaker 2: what he saw was legitimate that it was not a
Speaker 2: bear with mange. And you're talking about a kid that
Speaker 2: likes animals anyways, like he would he wants to be
Speaker 2: a marine biologist after he gets out of school. But
Speaker 2: he so, he's he's very he was always into animals,
Speaker 2: and he was always so him being you know, four
Speaker 2: or five years old, but he knew exactly what he
Speaker 2: was seeing. So yeah, I think it was If he
Speaker 2: had been just a normal, regular kid, I think he
Speaker 2: would have been more inclined to believe me and just saying, oh,
Speaker 2: it's nothing to worry about, it's just a bear. They
Speaker 2: usually mind their business, don't worry about it, and it
Speaker 2: would have been fine. But not him. And then again
Speaker 2: that whole sensitive thing, like he picked up on something,
Speaker 2: he picked up on something negative.
Speaker 3: You are his mother, after all, so it's totally understandable
Speaker 3: that you try to insulate him the way he did
Speaker 3: from what actually happened. But in hindsight, do you have
Speaker 3: any misgivings about telling him that it was just a
Speaker 3: mengi beer and not telling him what it actually was
Speaker 3: or are you still okay with that?
Speaker 2: I'm still okay with it because I think if I
Speaker 2: had given him validation for that sighting or validated his
Speaker 2: I think it would have made it worse. I think
Speaker 2: he would have been even more fearful than he already was.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're right about that. Like I said, you
Speaker 3: know him better than anyone in the world, so who
Speaker 3: would know better than you had to handle that the
Speaker 3: best way. That's all there is to it. Now that
Speaker 3: he's older, has he tried to learn as much as
Speaker 3: he can about dog men or does he just try
Speaker 3: to avoid the subject altogether as much as possible.
Speaker 2: He and I both will kind of dive into Like
Speaker 2: we love Aaron Dese and his documentaries that he's been
Speaker 2: doing about dog men. We'll sit down together and watch
Speaker 2: them because we're just it's amazing how many people have
Speaker 2: these same encounters and all of us we don't go,
Speaker 2: we don't talk about it. We go for years and
Speaker 2: years and years without talking to people about it, and
Speaker 2: then you see something as well made as some of
Speaker 2: these documentaries that have come out. You know, it's gotten
Speaker 2: to a thing where he and I will watch those
Speaker 2: together and look at each other like, oh, okay, so
Speaker 2: that explains that, Like, that's I did not know that.
Speaker 2: I did not know that. You know, the amber eye
Speaker 2: thing was was a big one because I was like,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was an odd thing. But apparently
Speaker 2: I just thought it was a normal I shine, you know.
Speaker 2: So But yeah, now he's not as into it as
Speaker 2: I am because I'm going through and looking up like
Speaker 2: historical things like an old Chickasaw Indian Native American tales
Speaker 2: for that area. He's just like, yeah, I'll watch the
Speaker 2: documentary and that's about it.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's great that the two of you
Speaker 3: watched these documentaries together. That's wonderful. That's how it should be.
Speaker 3: You'd already seen your own dog man, But when you
Speaker 3: told you about the message you heard in his head,
Speaker 3: did that mortify you or did you not believe him?
Speaker 2: That scared me. That scared me because I kind of
Speaker 2: took it as a threat even though it said, you know,
Speaker 2: I could if I wanted to, but it did not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's kind of scared me, and especially a child that's
Speaker 2: four and five years old, you know, that kind of
Speaker 2: made that actually made me angry.
Speaker 3: To be quite honest, I can understand why that's horrible.
Speaker 3: As if it isn't bad enough, him being so young
Speaker 3: and having that experience is so traumatic already by itself,
Speaker 3: he has to have a message like that in his head.
Speaker 3: That's horrible. It really is. You waited until he was
Speaker 3: ten to tell him about your encounter. Was he mad
Speaker 3: at you for hiding your encounter from him or did
Speaker 3: he take it in stride.
Speaker 2: He wasn't angry, but he was kind of like, I
Speaker 2: cannot believe you told me it was a bear with mange.
Speaker 2: After all those years and then you have that encounter
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm not crazy. I didn't see things,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, I never said you were crazy.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I just I did not want
Speaker 2: you to be because I know you, and I know
Speaker 2: how you are. When the sun goes down and you're
Speaker 2: over it your grandparents, you're going to be calling me
Speaker 2: wanting to come home because you're afraid the thing's going
Speaker 2: to be out in the field again. So you know
Speaker 2: that's why I told you what I told you. But yeah,
Speaker 2: now he wasn't angry angry, he was just kind of
Speaker 2: teasing me for not being upfront with him about it.
Speaker 3: Well, you only did that to try to protect him.
Speaker 3: He's still a kid, so it's doubtful he's going to
Speaker 3: understand that. But as always, you're just looking out for
Speaker 3: his best interest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he and he knows that. He knows that now,
Speaker 2: but he just I think his thing was he whereas
Speaker 2: me and my sister had each other where we could,
Speaker 2: you know, if we wanted to talk about it, we could.
Speaker 2: I think his thing was he really didn't have anybody
Speaker 2: to talk about it with. And I think that's where
Speaker 2: my niece comes in. I think maybe he had mentioned
Speaker 2: something to her and she said and she, you know,
Speaker 2: had told him, Oh, well, you know, my mom and
Speaker 2: your mom had something like that walking home one night.
Speaker 2: That's what my mom told me. Because she's a few
Speaker 2: years older than he is.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad he's got her to talk with about this.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you have an experience like that, when
Speaker 3: you're a kid, it's always better if you have peers
Speaker 3: you can bounce things off of. But at least he
Speaker 3: had her or has her to do that, so thank
Speaker 3: goodness for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're close. They're very close, like me and
Speaker 2: my sister are close.
Speaker 3: So well, that's really good. Did your dad not believe
Speaker 3: in you when you told him about your experience strain
Speaker 3: your relationship with him? Or were you okay with that?
Speaker 2: Oh? No, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it.
Speaker 2: What's funny about my dad is it kind of depends
Speaker 2: on his mood when he wakes up, Like one day
Speaker 2: he'll be I don't believe in any of that, and
Speaker 2: then the next day he'll be like, have you been
Speaker 2: watching this new stuff on Bigfoot? So I just kind
Speaker 2: of dismiss it. But you know, it's funny because lately,
Speaker 2: and I talked to my sister about this, the last
Speaker 2: few times i've called him, he has specifically brought up
Speaker 2: dog Man and I don't know if he's watching documentaries
Speaker 2: on it or if he's you know, and he keeps
Speaker 2: bringing it up to me, and I don't tell him
Speaker 2: my story anymore. I'm just like, uh huh, uh huh,
Speaker 2: And he's just like, yeah, I don't really I don't
Speaker 2: really believe in all that. I think that's just people
Speaker 2: are just misidentifying some animals, you know, that they see
Speaker 2: or whatever. And now it makes me wonder if he's
Speaker 2: actually seen something and he's kind of trying to bring
Speaker 2: up the topic because my father, my father is one
Speaker 2: of those. He's eighty now, he's one of those that
Speaker 2: he's just he's not going to bring it up, like,
Speaker 2: he's not going to admit that he's seen something unless
Speaker 2: I bring up the topic first.
Speaker 3: Well, if he's still living there, he just might have
Speaker 3: seen one. What are you going to do if he
Speaker 3: does call you aplet one night crying for help because
Speaker 3: he just saw a dog man? Are you going to
Speaker 3: rebuff him or listen to him?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'll listen to him. I'll absolutely listen to him,
Speaker 2: you know. And I'll also tell him I told you so.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a given you have to do that. He's
Speaker 3: got that coming. Before I ask you for your closing comments, TJ,
Speaker 3: I just want to remind everyone that the first four
Speaker 3: episodes of my new Dogmian podcast are revealed for listening now.
Speaker 3: I just publish them tonight again. The new podcast is
Speaker 3: called dog Me Entails And to find out how to
Speaker 3: listen please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and visit the
Speaker 3: podcast page. I posted links for the new show there.
Speaker 3: Now we have that taken care of, TJ. Do you
Speaker 3: have any clothes in comments you'd like to share?
Speaker 2: No, I don't, other than beware of the corn fields.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely do seem to be drawn to them. Well,
Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the
Speaker 3: details of not only your experience, but your son's experience
Speaker 3: as well. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Thank you for having me. It's been
Speaker 2: very helpful talking about it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's great. I'm glad it's been beneficial. Well, if
Speaker 3: I can ever help you out in the future, please
Speaker 3: do let me know. Hopefully there won't be any problems,
Speaker 3: but if you do have any down the road, I'll
Speaker 3: be there for you. So please remember that.
Speaker 2: Oh I will. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a
Speaker 3: great night.