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Speaker 1: At a.

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Speaker 2: Book in.

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Speaker 3: Tonight's guest wish is to a mean anonymous and with

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that in mind, I'm just gonna call her TJ. TJ.

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hi Vic, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for being here. We appreciate your time. TJ.

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Please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 2: I am forty nine years old. I am originally from Millington, Tennessee.

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I have worked in the medical field for about twenty years,

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and I retire early so I could stay home with

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my son. After I had my son, and in twenty sixteen,

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we packed up from Millington and moved to Pensacola, Florida.

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Speaker 3: So you moved from Millington to Pensacola. What kind of

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a culture shock was at.

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Speaker 2: It's not that different because Millington's a Navy town and

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Pensacola is a Navy town as well. Like we're surrounded

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by the naval air bases and the Blue Angels are

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based out here, and they would always come to Millington

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for events and do flyovers over the house and whatnot.

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So it wasn't that much of a culture shock. Actually,

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it was kind of like being home.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, that's really good.

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Speaker 2: Then.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like you just adjusted right away. That's always a

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good thing. Speaking of Millington, that's where your encounter happened

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in two thousand and two. Were you living inside the

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city limits at the time, though, on the outskirts or

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outside of town?

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Speaker 2: We actually would have been considered at the time Shelby County.

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We were just outside of the Millington what they call

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the Millington at Annex, so it was Shelby County.

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Speaker 3: I see, sounds like you were just a mile or

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two outside of the city limits.

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Speaker 2: In Oh, yeah, I don't even know if it was

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actually a full mile. We were just barely outside the

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city limits, so you were closed.

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Speaker 3: Then. What was Millington like back then?

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Speaker 2: It was, you know, when I was younger, it was

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an actual naval a school, like the only inland Navy

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base that we had that was a school that they

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would teach at. But during this time two thousand and two,

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the school had closed and they started. It was a

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lot of like big wigs, I guess you would consider

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big wigs. I'm not necessarily a military person, like my

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family's never been in the military, but there were like

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a lot of admirals and generals and things like that

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that were stationed there.

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Speaker 3: So this wasn't exactly a two stoplight town. It adds

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some size to it.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it did. It did, especially after the

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school closed and the generals and the admirals and all

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these other people came in, Like it grew it really

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it boomed after that, the whole the little town boomed.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like a good place to live, just outside of

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You had all the benefits of living that close to

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a town that size, which you're living out in the country,

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so you also had all the benefits that came along

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with that, unfortunately, including having dogmen around. But we'll get

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into that in just a bit here. Before we spoke

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for the first time, even though you're encountered, how and

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roughly twenty years ago, how much trouble were you having

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dealing with that experience.

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Speaker 2: Immediately afterwards. It was odd because immediately afterwards it was

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one of those things where I just didn't talk about it.

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I didn't talk about it. I put it out of

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my mind. It was a weird thing that happened, and

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it was almost I think it was almost like a denial.

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In fact, that was the way I coped with it.

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It was denial. It was just maybe you know, I

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dreamed it. I second guessed myself a lot, so yeah,

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that's basically how I dealt with it. Was just sheer denial.

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Speaker 3: Was that effective and dealing with that experience or did

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it not work all that Well?

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Speaker 2: It was effective until it got dark, and then that's

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when kind of that subconscious fear would set in. And

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we also we have coyote out there, so hearing them.

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I'm not sure if you've ever heard coyote yelp and

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carry on, especially during the spring when it's mating season,

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but it's very very eerie, and yeah, that would kind

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of set me off a little bit. But other than that,

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like it worked well.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad it worked at least part of the time.

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But yeah, I'm sure hearing those coyotes that didn't help

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at all. Yeah, answer your question. We do have coyotes

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here behind my house. It's not fun once they decide

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to start piping up late at night. Not a good

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thing at all. But that's all right, you'll have that. Sometimes.

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You were rinding a home next door to your parents'

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home at the time. Did your parents own your home though.

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Speaker 2: They did not, they were just they do now, but

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at the time they were really good friends with our

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landlord who had my parents had lived there for ages

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like ages, and they were good friends with him. So

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when he had it up for rent, my parents had

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asked them if it was okay, you know, and so

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we kind of had a nice little way to get

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our own little house. But yeah, that's how we got it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like that did work out. Well. Have your

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parents lived there all that long?

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Speaker 2: Let's see, my brother I have an older brother who's

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seven years older than me, and he was probably two

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or three when they moved to that house, so they've

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been there. They have been there for probably fifty two

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years at this point.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and that is a long time. Have they ever

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noticed anything strange that might have hinted that something strange,

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like a dog mean, might have been lurking around?

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Speaker 2: Not necessary, There's been strange occurrences, but not necessarily dog

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man per se. There's been some paranormal stuff that goes

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on just around the not just with my parents' house,

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but our house, my sister and I his house as well,

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and just Millington in general. You know, odd lights, but

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a lot of times we blew that off as it's

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a military base and they have, you know, stealth fighters

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over there, and so we just kind of blew it

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off as military to be honest.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure it's no mystery to you that military

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bases can have a pretty good amount of strange things

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happening on and around them. So maybe this is all connected.

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I don't know. Speaking of your sister, she was with

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you when you had your encounter. What can you tell

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us about her?

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Speaker 2: My sister is seven years younger than I am. We

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worked at the same hospital together. I worked nights and

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she worked second shift in the emergency room. And now

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she continues living in the same house. She has two girls,

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and she does medical coding for Progressive Insurance.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you have to have a dog, meaning the counter,

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it's always better, or at least I should say, it's

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normally better to not have it alone, to have someone

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else with you. And it sounds to me like you're

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you have a really good relationship with your sisters, so

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that just helps that much more, it really does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Do you think you're ever going to be able to

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live in the country again without being paranoid? Now that

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you know that dogmen are out there.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't I want to say yes,

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but I think I would be really, really careful, especially

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if I have animals. I have dogs and cats and

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things like that. I would be real careful. And you know,

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you always hear those stories of Appalachia and they close

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the blinds at night and lock the doors and you

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don't pay attention to any sounds you hear outside. I

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would probably almost be like that when it comes to

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living out in the country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't look outside at night. Uh, I get it. Unfortunately,

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your son saw one about thirteen years after you and

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your sister did. Did you ever tell him about your experience?

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Speaker 2: No, no, I never told him about it. I didn't

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want to scare him from going over to my parents'

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house and visiting, as you know, his grandparents, and surely

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I didn't want him because he and my sister's oldest child,

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oldest daughter, they're real close. They're close like me and

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my sister are, and I didn't want him scared to

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go over there to play with her. So no, I

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never told him. I didn't tell him about it until

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way after, when he was old enough to.

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Speaker 3: Know a lot of parents would have handled it that way. Yeah,

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it just might be a really good way to handle it.

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You know him better than anyone else in the world,

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so you would definitely be the best judge on that

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on how to handle that. How's he dealing with that

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experience now? Has he come to terms with it?

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Speaker 2: He has? He? I mean, his experience is what prompted

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me to start talking more about my experience because he

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is a little bit more open about it than I was.

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But he's the same way as I am when it

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comes to There's just certain places he doesn't necessarily want

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to be at after dark, and he, you know, gets

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a little gets a little jumpy, and I mean he

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for the longest time he would sleep in the same

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room with me and his dad because he was scared

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of the dark, like he just fearful.

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Speaker 3: Well, everything you just told us about how you responded

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is totally understandable. You see a dogman that's going to

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tend to make you afraid of the dark. I get it.

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I do. Before I ask TJ to tell us about

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her encounter, I just want to remind you of that.

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Tonight's the premiere of my new dogman podcast. It's called

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dog Me and Tails. And it features fictional stories about

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dog men. Dog Me and Tails isn't available on YouTube

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for listening. It's only available in podcast format. With that said,

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if you'd like to check it out, which I hope

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you will, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and visit

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the podcast page. There you'll find links to the new

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show if you already have a favorite podcast app, though,

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dog Me and Tails is available anywhere you can listen

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to podcasts. Having said all that, tonight I published the

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first four episodes of the show. I hope you like him,

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all right, TJ. Please tell us about your encounter. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay. It was two thousand and two and it was

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around eight thirty nine o'clock at night. My sister and

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I were leaving from my parents' house. We had had

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dinner with my parents that evening, and we had a

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black German shepherd. Her name was Kaylee. She would walk

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with us over to our parents' house and then we

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would bring her home at night, and all we were

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doing was crossing the yard. We didn't even have to

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go in the streets to walk next door because we

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had a chain link fence and it had a gate.

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My dad had put a gate in so we could

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just walk, you know, in the yard. But I always

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had to carry a flashlight with me because Kaylee was

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so dark you couldn't see her at night. So, and

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she was a puppy, she was, I mean, she was

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a year old, but she was still a puppy, and

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she would run circles around you. And I used the

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flashlight to keep an eye on her. And we were

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walking home and she took off running, growling and barking,

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went through the gate to our side of the fence

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to our house, my sister and I's house, and hit

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the gate, snarling and growling and barking at something that

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she saw in the field across from our houses. We

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have this huge field, and that year they were growing

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corn in the field and the corn was about ready

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to be harvested because they had the machines out there

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to harvest the corn. I noticed that that night, and

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so it had to have been about six foot tall.

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at because she very rarely reacted like that. So I

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took the flashlight and shined it in the field to

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see if I could set eyes on what it was

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she was barking at. I was thinking maybe apossum or

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you know, raccoon or whatever. And I noticed the corn

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stalks moving a little bit and I kind of stopped

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and I flashed the flashlight on it, and I saw

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something shadowy there. And when I hit the flashlight directly

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on it went it stood up. And when it stood up,

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to eight foot tall, dark fur, and it had the

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ears like a German shepherd, and it had amber eyes.

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far enough in the field to where I could see it,

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but it was more it was shadowy like it was.

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not real sure because the visibility wasn't that great because

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it was a little further out in the field. But

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it stood up and I could see it from it's

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probably midway up its chest and up and it had

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the big broad shoulders. And as soon as it stood up,

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Kaylee yelped and took off for our front door and

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was scratching and clawing at our front door to get

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in and crying. And by the time my sister and

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I got up to the front porch, Kaylee had urinated

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on the front porch, and you know, I was trying

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to fumbling for my keys, trying to get the key

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in the door and get the door open. And as

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soon as I got the door open, she took off

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into the house and went under my bed and hid

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under my bed and she did not out until that morning.

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Till the next morning, I didn't hear a peat from her.

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And after that, my sister and I closed you know,

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we locked up the house, pulled the blinds and kind

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of looked at each other, like what what was that?

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What did we just see? Because when it stood up

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like it did and I saw the ears and the

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you know, the the fur, I immediately thought werewolf because

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that's the best way I could describe it. That's what

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it looks like. I didn't know anything about dog Man

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or any of it. I didn't know nothing. I knew

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nothing about it prior to this event, to this encounter.

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But yeah, my sister and I just locked the house up,

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pulled down the shades, closed the blinds, and like that

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was weird, and that was it like, we did not

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talk about it after that. We didn't tell our parents

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what we saw, We didn't tell any of our friends

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what we saw. It was just one of these things

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where it was unspoken between us and we just never

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talked about it.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any regrets about not talking openly about

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it with your sister or are you glad you did that? Still?

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I did it because I think both of

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our defense mechanisms. You know, It's like I said, it

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was just kind of a denial thing, and I knew

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what I saw, She knew what she saw. We both

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understood that we witnessed it together. The dog acted the

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way the dog acted that and we kind of had

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this understanding that even if we told our parents or

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told anybody, our friends or whatever, that they wouldn't believe us.

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I think they would think we were crazy, or that

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it was like some sort of shared hallucination.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you haven't experience like that. It's pretty hard to

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share it with people because you know darn well in

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most cases, they're not going to believe you, So why

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start all that mess? I get it. You're walking from

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your parents home to your home when your encounter happened,

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you said, but how far of a walk is at.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's not far at all. I would say maybe

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five six hundred feet from one house to the other.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's still a pretty good walk. That's not a

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hop skipping to jump when all this happened, was Kaylee

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closer to the dog man than you were or vice versa.

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Speaker 2: She would have been closer because she hit the front

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part of our fence like she went exactly like she

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went straight to the spot where he was. And yeah,

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she would have been closer because my sister and I

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kind of stood in the driveway behind her, and that's

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when I was shining the light trying to see what

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it was that she was barking at.

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Speaker 3: If she went right to the spot where the dog

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man was, how close did she get to the dog man?

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Speaker 2: He was a little ways in the field, So I

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mean he was close. He was closer than he should

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have been. I mean, I would think he was probably

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about fifty feet.

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Speaker 3: Away, fifty feet from you or from Keihley.

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Speaker 2: He would have been fifty feet from us. He would

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have been a little bit closer to Kaylee because it

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was so you have our fence than our ditch, than

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our little street, and the streets are not very big.

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It's enough for two cars to pass another ditch and

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then the field. So I would say with Kaylee, he

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was a little bit closer since it was nighttime. I'm

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not a real good judge of distance.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's all right, just so I'm clear, though, when

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Kighley started barking, he was just to hear under fifty

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feet from her. Yes, okay, I see. So if she

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was just to hear less than fifty feet from him

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when she started going off, how close did she get

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when she approached it?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I have no idea. And the

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way the field is set up, it's kind of so

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these fields that they plan in, you know, they have

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the runoffs for the water for the irrigation, so it

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kind of dips down as well, so like our houses

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are built slightly higher than what the field is. So

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that distance kind of messes me up. But I mean

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she had to have been fairly close to him, because

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even from where I was looking, he looked huge when

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he still well, I mean he was because the he

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was towering over the corn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could see him that easily over the corn,

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he must have been but thinking of angles. I mean,

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she is a shepherd, She's not that tall off the ground,

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and if the corn was about six feet tall. Could

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she even see the dog man when she first started barking,

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but then he stood up?

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Speaker 2: I think she smelled something in the air, That's what

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I'm because I did not I saw the corn moving.

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I didn't see anything in the corn at first until

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he stood up. I just noticed it was moving. And

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because I was thinking coyote, because sometimes the coyote would

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come fairly close to the houses. But yeah, she when

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we as soon as we opened our gate that separated

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our houses, she hit the fence and was growling and barking.

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So it makes me think she picked up on a scent.

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Speaker 3: You're probably right, she probably did. Now, just so unclear

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on all this. When she started going off, How close

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were you to her?

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Speaker 2: I was about five feet away from her.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so really close? Mm hmm, yeah you were. Then

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after you put your flashlight beam on the dog mean

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and it stood up, did it seem to be mad at

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you that you saw it, or did it seem to

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be nonchalant?

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Speaker 2: It was very nonchalant. I got the feeling that, I mean,

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I got the feeling that it was watching us, but

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it was more interested in her and Kaylee than it

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was us.

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Speaker 3: Now that might be because Kaylee sounded the alarm and

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brought your attention to its presence. But yeah, you can't

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think for these things. As you know, it's hard to

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say what was in its head at the time. Now

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as you're standing there looking at this dog me and

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towering over the corn and looking at its features. If

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it was down in all fours and wasn't quite so big,

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would it look almost wolfish enough to pass as a

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huge timber wolf where its features too monstrous for that

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to even be the keys.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I would almost think that it would

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pass for Yeah, I mean I think it would pass

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for something like a timber wolf. I mean just from

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and I didn't get a whole lot of detail from

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it because it was dark, and then you know, when

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it stood up, like I did not stick around to actually,

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you know, take in all the features I left.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it was very it was very

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wolf like. I mean, that's that's the only way I'd

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explain it. It. Just the thought of where wolf went

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through my head because it stood up and the way

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it was standing. It was standing like a man. But yeah,

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I could see where it would be. It could pass

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for a very very large wolf like dire wolf size almost.

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Speaker 3: Well some of that way. Some would pass as a

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huge timberwolf if they're down on all fours. Others they're

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just way too monstrous in their appearance to have a

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chance of passing as a wolf or anything like that.

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So you never know. That's why I asked that question.

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After it did stand up, though, did it turn and

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face you or stand facing a different direction?

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Speaker 2: It was facing us. It was facing us because when

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the flashlight hit its eyes, I mean I looked at

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dead in the eyes, just you know, with the eyes shine.

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm sure you did. I think almost anyone would

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when you hit it in the eyes with that beam. Though,

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did you ever noticed a shift in the she the

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color of its eye glow?

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Speaker 2: I didn't. It wasn't anything, honestly to me, it wasn't

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anything unusual like it looked like natural eye shine. It

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was just that amber color, that golden amber color. And

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to be honest, even to this day, I don't know

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if that's natural eye shine with any other predators that

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are out there or not. I've never actually looked into that.

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But yeah, I mean, nothing struck me other than its

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standing up on two legs and looking at us, and

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just that feeling of it knows that we see it,

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you know. Other than that, I would almost take it

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for like a natural almost a natural predator.

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Speaker 3: This is asking a lot because he had so much

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going through your mind at the time. But by do

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you remember if you noticed any glow from its eyes

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before the beam hit its eyes?

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Speaker 2: Off hand, No, I don't remember the eyes glowing prior

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to me hitting it with the flashlight.

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Speaker 3: Well, like I said, you had so much going through

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your head. You're doing good to know your name, so

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you can't be foulded for that. Poor Kayley, though it

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frightened her so bad she needed on herself after she

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made it to the front door. Does she suffer from

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any behavioral issues after that?

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Speaker 2: She didn't like going out at night anymore. After that

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we would have to get her. She would go out

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just as the sun was starting to set, and then

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she would come into the house and get under my

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bed and sleep for the rest of the night and

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go out in the morning. Which prior to that, she

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was very We called her our feral dog because she

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was very wild, Like she was really hard to train,

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and she liked to just be free, and she would

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run between our yards and you know, my parents in

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our yard. And but yeah, after that, she stayed inside

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at night most of the time, when usually she would

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like to stay outside at night.

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Speaker 3: Poor Keelle, it really took it out of her. I

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can understand why. Believe it or not, some dogs actually

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suffer a complete personality change after seeing a dog mean

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like that. It sounds like she didn't. She just wore

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off every wanting to go outside at night afterwards. But

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did you notice any aspects of her personality change she.

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Speaker 2: Was She seems like she was more fearful of people

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and everything. We would like I when my when I

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met my husband and we had started dating, she like

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I think he only saw her once because she would

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hide from people, like she and she didn't. She wasn't

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like that. When she was younger. She was very I mean,

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she was kind of suspicious of everybody, but she wouldn't

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go and hide. She just I don't know, she kind

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of withdrew after this, like she just kind of kept

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to her her little immediate family us and my parents

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and eventually my sister's oldest girl after she was born.

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But that was it, Like anybody, any stranger that came over,

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you would not know we had a dog, like she

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would disappear.

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Speaker 3: Well, poor thing. Yeah, that really affected her understandably. So though,

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did your parents hear Achille going off that night and

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never wonder why she was doing that? Did they ever

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tell you after the fact?

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Speaker 2: No, And that's what makes it so bizarre, like they

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did not hear any of it at all.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that is strange. Were you about halfway between

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your house and their house at the time or a

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lot closer to your house, because if you were that

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much closer to your house, then I guess in a

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way that would explain it.

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Speaker 2: We were closer to ours when it stood up, I

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was standing, we were in our driveway, like I was

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standing right behind Kaylee. So so yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That would explain it. That's a pretty good amount of distance.

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You didn't tell your parents right away about what happened

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that night, but have you ever told them period about

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that encounter?

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Speaker 2: My sister and I told my dad, and he does

477
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:44,599
not believe what we saw, Like he believes in Bigfoot,

478
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,799
but he doesn't believe in dog man. Like he's in

479
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,759
total denial about it.

480
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: Huh. Yeah, it's hard to understand why some people can

481
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,920
be so convinced the sasquatch are out there, even though

482
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,720
I haven't seen a sasquatch. But they just dismiss out

483
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,559
of hand the possibility the dogmen or reality. But a

484
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,240
lot of people think that way for whatever reason. That's

485
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,279
just how it is. How about your husband, have you

486
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:08,839
told him?

487
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:16,039
Speaker 2: Yes, I've told him, and he totally believes me because

488
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:19,920
you know, well, then my son's encounter as well, So.

489
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:23,839
Speaker 3: Well, that's good. I'm so glad he does believe you.

490
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,759
That's a really good thing. It's always so frustrating when

491
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,119
a significant other doesn't believe that their wife or husband

492
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,759
had an encounter. Some even make fun of them, which

493
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:37,480
is even worse. But it's just horrible when that happens.

494
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,720
It really is. If they do support their significant other,

495
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:43,559
it makes such a difference. It's always such a good thing,

496
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,160
it really is. Did you seem to handle that experience

497
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,039
better or worse than your sister?

498
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,079
Speaker 2: She and I are so much alike. I mean we

499
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,599
pretty much. I think we handled it about the same.

500
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,720
We both handled it about the same. Every once in

501
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,920
a while we'll call. We would call each other throughout

502
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,519
the years because it would just kind of we would

503
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,920
see something on TV that would prompt it, like the

504
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:15,000
whole just reliving that whole thing, and we would call

505
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:16,839
each other every once in a while and be like,

506
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,400
did we really see this? Is this something that actually happened,

507
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,720
because there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot

508
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,039
of self doubt. I think that's the big thing, is

509
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:31,680
this disbelief in what you saw. But yeah, we pretty

510
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,039
much handled that the same way.

511
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: Self doubt goes along with dog me and the encounters

512
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:41,640
like peanut butter and jelly. So that's a normal part

513
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,279
of it. And I was having second thoughts about even

514
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:48,000
asking that question because you two didn't even talk about

515
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,519
the encounter. You said, So if that was the case,

516
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,119
you wouldn't really have a beat on how well or

517
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:54,880
how poorly she was dealing with it.

518
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: Right, right, she dealt with it the same way I did.

519
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,279
But I mean we would discuss it every once in

520
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:06,640
a while, once in a blue moon. What really, I

521
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,200
think prompted us talking about it that Hey, do you

522
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:14,400
remember when we saw was when a few years later

523
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,680
we saw Linda Godfrey on something talking about the Beast

524
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,680
of Bray Road, and my sister and I looked at

525
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,759
each other like, oh, okay, so this is actually a thing.

526
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,680
And then we kind of, you know, briefly, kind of

527
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,559
talked about it and that was it. But yeah, she

528
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,920
handled it about the as well as I did. We

529
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,359
didn't really talk about it. We didn't discuss it outside

530
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,640
the family, and I mean we didn't even discuss it

531
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,240
with our family until years later.

532
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's some people choose to handle it, and for

533
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920
some people that works well, but for most it doesen't.

534
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,079
I'm just glad that you're able to deal with that

535
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,559
experience as well as you have, Thank goodness for that.

536
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,880
How long did you and your sister live in that house?

537
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Let's see after the encounter, we well, she's still there,

538
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,159
I want to say we lived. I lived there for

539
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:24,239
probably another three to four years, probably about four years,

540
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,119
and then we moved. Then when I got married, I

541
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:32,239
moved further north to uh Atoka, to Tipton County.

542
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: Was it agonizing to stay there that long after having

543
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,719
that experience or did you take it in stride?

544
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,159
Speaker 2: I just kind of took it in stride. I just

545
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,760
never we never really again. I mean, we would get

546
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,199
nervous or not nervous, but just kind of antsy when

547
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,920
it got dark looking at the field. And it didn't

548
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,960
matter what they were growing in the field, whether it

549
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,320
was soybean or cotton or corn or whatever. I mean,

550
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,840
if they grew corn again, that would really kind of

551
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:11,480
freak us out. But yeah, we didn't really think that

552
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,800
much about it until it got dark. But then at

553
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,519
the time when she and I were it was just

554
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,320
us and we were living together. We didn't stay home

555
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,320
a lot at night, like I worked nights, and then

556
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,480
she would go with her husband, well boyfriend at the time,

557
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,039
you know, they would go out or whatever, and then

558
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,920
he would come back and stay at the house, that

559
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,519
type of thing.

560
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,199
Speaker 3: So yeah, even if you don't have a dog in

561
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,920
the encounter, when you've got corn grown that close to

562
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,960
your house and everything on the country, it is kind

563
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,639
of creepy at times at night. So I get it.

564
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,039
And with that in mind, if you stayed there for

565
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:54,199
four years after the encounter, even with crop rotations and everything,

566
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,039
I would expect at least one of the years for

567
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:58,480
corn to be grown there.

568
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: Did they Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, with my son's experience,

569
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,079
they it was corn again that year. As a matter

570
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:14,239
of fact, I asked her not long ago if what

571
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,280
they were growing in the field, and she thinks it's

572
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,320
going to be corn this year as well, because they've

573
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,039
not started the the they would have already planted, like

574
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,800
soybean and cotton or sunflowers. Now we've had sunflowers out

575
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,639
in that field too, So, oh, you know, that's.

576
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 3: Just as bad. Your son's encounter happened thirteen years after

577
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,000
he had your encounter, though you said that you lived

578
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,800
in that house just for four years after you had

579
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,079
your experience. I was just wondering if sometime in that

580
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,880
four year span, even with crop rotations, if they grew

581
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,119
corn again, which I would expect that they did.

582
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: Oh, they did. I'm sure they did. Within Yeah, within

583
00:36:54,519 --> 00:37:00,599
the thirteen years of hours and his experience. Yeah. And

584
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,159
the thing my thing is is, and I do think

585
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,320
about that, is how many times have we gone to

586
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,840
visit my parents or gone over to my sister's house

587
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,679
or whatnot, and it's been in the field and we

588
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,079
not know it because I would not have known it

589
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,000
was there had it not been for Kle, just like

590
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:21,639
I would not have known it was there had it

591
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:22,519
not been for my son.

592
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: Well, there's good news and bad news to it. I'd

593
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,519
be awfully surprised if on more times than you could

594
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,480
shake a stick at it was there in the field

595
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:34,599
watching you. But at the same time, if it was

596
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:37,639
there and it watched you, it never hurt you. So

597
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,199
that does count for something after all.

598
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: Right, right, and it has you know, I often wonder

599
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,840
all the years we had heard the coyote carrying on

600
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,960
and sounding like they were fighting. I've often wondered about that,

601
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:56,039
like are they fighting each other or are they fighting

602
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:00,360
something else? Like that's kind of low key, subconsciously kind

603
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,320
of gone through my head over the years.

604
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,119
Speaker 3: That's one of the funny things about dog men TJ.

605
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,880
I Mean, sometimes they'll be running with coyotes and everything

606
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,639
seems hunky dory, seems like their best buds, and all

607
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,920
of a sudden, without any cause, you'll see the dog

608
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,599
men reach out and grab a coyote that's within reach

609
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:22,599
and just rip it apart no reason whatsoever, no rhyme

610
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:26,039
nor reason. So maybe something like that was going on

611
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,119
that night and that's why you heard that commotion, But

612
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:30,800
it's really hard to say. I mean, that could just

613
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,679
be normal behavior from the coyotes, because we all know

614
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,719
when you have coyotes around like this, they do make

615
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,400
some noise on occasion.

616
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:43,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, they do. And the ones we had

617
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,599
would come up fairly close to that. They would never

618
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:48,440
come out of the field, but they would come up

619
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,760
fairly close to the house. But whenever it was it's funny.

620
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,840
It's eerie because they would come up close to the

621
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,679
house and you can hear them howling and carrying on,

622
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:03,480
and all the dogs in the neighborhood would stop barking

623
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,320
like it was just silence. You wouldn't hear anything other

624
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,159
than the coyotes.

625
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not fun when they do that, but it's

626
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:12,719
a good trade off still for living out in the country.

627
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,519
It's nothing like it. You told us about your experience

628
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:19,760
that you and your sister had, But please tell us

629
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,840
about your son's encounter. Now give us every last detail

630
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,719
that comes to mind.

631
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: Okay. It was twenty fifteen. He was about four or

632
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,360
five years old. We had dropped him off at my

633
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,880
parents' house because my husband and I had gone out

634
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,559
for the evening. So I would say this encounter. By

635
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,800
the time we picked him up at the house at

636
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,559
my parents' house it was probably eleven something like that,

637
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:57,360
ten thirty eleven o'clock, and I had him in the

638
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,360
back in his car seat, the car running and the

639
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,800
doors closed, and it was kind of chilly outside. I

640
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,199
don't remember. I would say, again, they had corn growing

641
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,519
in the field, so I would say it had to

642
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:19,199
have been probably September, because you know, they again, they

643
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,679
had the harvesting equipment out there. They were about to

644
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,320
harvest the corn, and it was fairly cool outside, and

645
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:28,480
he all of a sudden, I was talking to my

646
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:31,519
mom and dad saying we were saying goodbye, and you know,

647
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:35,119
if you're from the South or know anything about the South, Southerners,

648
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:40,079
their goodbyes are probably thirty minutes long. And all of

649
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:45,000
a sudden, he rolls down the window and he's like, Mom,

650
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,119
we need to go. We need to go now. And

651
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:50,000
even though at four and five, my son has a

652
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:55,360
very big vocabulary, he's very intelligent, very verbal, like he

653
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,320
you know, he knows. He's an old soul is what

654
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,840
I call him. He's very intelligent for his age. And

655
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,039
I said, okay, baby, you know we're saying goodbye to

656
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,800
Mama and Papa. We'll be there in a minute, and

657
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,559
He's like, no, we need to go right now, Mom,

658
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,360
We need to go right now. And he kept looking

659
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:22,920
like back, turning his head to the rights, looking kind

660
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,280
of back at the field, which I didn't notice. He

661
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,480
was kind of like turning himself in his car seat

662
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:31,800
to look back. And so we said goodbye, got in

663
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,079
the car, told my mom. I was like, Okay, he's tired.

664
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:35,960
He wants to go home. So we get in the

665
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,639
car and we drive off and we're halfway to our

666
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,440
house in a Toka, which is about that drive is

667
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,199
about fifteen minutes between houses. And he was telling me

668
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:55,239
that he saw something in the field that looks like

669
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,599
a big dog that stood up and it was staring

670
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:06,559
at him and it had amber colored eyes. And I

671
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,480
think the only reason why he actually saw it was

672
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:13,400
because there was a car that had driven past that

673
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:16,360
I guess the headlights where I guess to where it

674
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,960
was standing. The headlights hit it hit the hit it

675
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:24,400
standing in the field. I don't think he actually I

676
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,239
think this one was just standing there. I think it

677
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,400
was already on two legs. I don't know that it

678
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,320
was actually crouched in the corn like our original original story,

679
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,039
are the two thousand and two encounter. But he said,

680
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,039
and he could he knew it was watching us. He

681
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,679
could tell it was watching us, and in his head

682
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,519
he just had the idea that it was telling us,

683
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,199
or telling him, I could kill you all if I

684
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,800
wanted to, which, you know, for somebody that's four or

685
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,960
five years old, that's kind of a weird thing for

686
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:10,840
kids to say. And because he was so young, I

687
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,400
told him, oh, you know, it's your imagination, you know,

688
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:17,880
there's it's probably it was probably a black bear that

689
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,760
had mange, because they look really, really creepy when they

690
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,239
have mange, and they can stand up on their hind legs.

691
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,119
And I was like, you know, it's just, you know,

692
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,960
maybe don't worry about it. It's fine. And and he didn't,

693
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,760
I think it. I don't know that he ever actually

694
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,719
believed me when I told him that, but it seemed

695
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,440
to calm him down a little bit. I just didn't

696
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,400
want him to be scared of going over to seeing

697
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,000
his aunt and seeing my grand you know, my parents

698
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,000
and all of that. And then it wasn't until he

699
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:55,559
was probably ten maybe that I told him about mine

700
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,960
and my sister's experience. And I want to say originally

701
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:04,159
that didn't come from me. It came from his cousin,

702
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,039
his older cousin that he's close with. I think she

703
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:10,079
had mentioned it to him and then he asked me,

704
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:13,199
and that's when I finally told Amyah, we did see something,

705
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,199
and it sounds pretty similar to what you saw, only

706
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,840
it didn't. I just knew that it was watching us.

707
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,320
It didn't Actually I didn't actually hear anything in my

708
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,719
head from it or whatever, like he did.

709
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 3: Wow, four or five years old, that's way too young

710
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,280
to have a dog encounter. It's not like it's fun

711
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,639
and games when you have an encounter when you're an adult.

712
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,199
But still at that age, that's really rough. Being so

713
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,559
young the way he was, did you have a lot

714
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:43,880
of problems with nightmares?

715
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: He did have nightmares, and like I said, he had,

716
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:58,679
I mean he was He would have nightmares and it

717
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:03,280
was a struggle to get him to sleep in his

718
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,960
own bed for a long time after that. And even

719
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,559
then there were times where you know, my husband and

720
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:12,000
I would wake up and he'd make his little bed

721
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,599
on the floor and sleep in our on our floor,

722
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:19,880
you know, in our bedroom or whatever. So yeah, I

723
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:27,000
mean he's always had nightmares. Now I don't know if

724
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,880
it was, if it's directly related to it, if it

725
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,320
has a dog, like it's a nightmare about a dog

726
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,639
man or whatever. I know some of some of the

727
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,119
dreams he's had have been like that, but he's always

728
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:42,000
had very vivid nightmares afterwards.

729
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: Him having nightmares like that the way he did, that'd

730
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,159
be awfully frustrating for you, because I don't want to

731
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,679
put thoughts into your head. But weren't you convinced that

732
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,480
these dog mans had a center around that experience?

733
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:06,159
Speaker 2: I mean, I would think so that that's it. Do

734
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,440
I think they caused it? Is that what you're asking?

735
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: Yes?

736
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:14,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would think so. That's because I mean

737
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,039
he's always and it's you have to be kind of

738
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:20,880
careful with kids too, because they have such a big imagination,

739
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:26,559
and he most definitely did. But just him telling me

740
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,480
exactly what it was he saw and how it related

741
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:34,039
to so much of what me and my sister saw,

742
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,159
you know, I knew, I knew it wasn't his imagination.

743
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,639
I knew it wasn't a bear with Mange. I wish

744
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:42,679
it had been, but you know, I knew that in

745
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,840
my heart that's not what it was. And but yeah,

746
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,639
I definitely do. I definitely do think they caused it.

747
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,039
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Him

748
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,000
having nightmare is the way he did, had to be

749
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,840
awfully frustrating for you. With that in mind, did you

750
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,920
ever try to remedy those nightmares by doing anything special?

751
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:13,159
Speaker 2: A lot of times I would try to. He's sensitive anyways,

752
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:17,119
He's very sensitive to energies and all of that. He's

753
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:23,440
very connected spiritually, in my opinion, But I would try

754
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:30,599
to teach him to listen to I would have sounds

755
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:33,360
of the ocean on and let him concentrate on that

756
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:39,840
and the sounds of the ocean good thoughts. Imagine having

757
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:44,039
a shield around him, blocking all the bad things and

758
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:49,280
all the negative things coming through, and you know, trying

759
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:55,800
to affect him. And that worked somewhat. I think it

760
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,000
worked better as he got older and learned how to

761
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:08,920
build a shield around him, you know, to block certain things.

762
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:12,079
But yeah, that's how I went about it. Was just

763
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,199
a lot of music, a lot of nice relaxing music

764
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,280
and telling him, you know, you're safe here I met.

765
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,000
There's a big bubble around the house, a big shield

766
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,559
around the house. Nothing can penetrate it. We have the

767
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,679
dogs we have, you know, and that seemed to give

768
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,199
him some comfort, But he'd still end up in our

769
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,960
room at night, you know, just because he had had

770
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,840
a dream or just scared of the dark.

771
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: That is a difficult situation all this put you in.

772
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:42,519
I can only imagine the thoughts it must have been

773
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,079
going through your head, and how frustrating all this must

774
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:49,079
have been. If he's a sensitive, that makes them more

775
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,719
likely to have encounters than most people. Unfortunately, did you

776
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,159
know that.

777
00:48:54,679 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, I'm aware. I I didn't know specifically

778
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:08,039
towards like cryptids or dog men or whatnot, but I've

779
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:13,920
heard stories like I'm more of growing up, I'm more

780
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,559
of like a ghost person as far as paranormal goes.

781
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,519
I've never been. I like the stories of Bigfoot and whatnot,

782
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:23,320
and you know they were I'll always listen to them.

783
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,280
But yeah, so I'm always I was always like ghost

784
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,800
and all that type of stuff. But yeah, lately I've

785
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,119
heard I've been hearing stories where you're sensitive, you're more

786
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,079
likely to have like some sort of a cryptid encounter

787
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,199
or or you know whatever.

788
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: That's right, Yes, not just ghosts, it's cryptids too. Unfortunately,

789
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:52,400
you said that he's a precocious kid and he's always

790
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,719
been that way. Do you think that worked to his

791
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,559
advantage or to his detriment what it came to dealing

792
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:58,559
with that experience.

793
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: I almost think it was more a detriment because he

794
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:16,199
is so smart and he knew even at that age

795
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,719
what he saw was legitimate that it was not a

796
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,000
bear with mange. And you're talking about a kid that

797
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,159
likes animals anyways, like he would he wants to be

798
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:29,880
a marine biologist after he gets out of school. But

799
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,360
he so, he's he's very he was always into animals,

800
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,239
and he was always so him being you know, four

801
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,400
or five years old, but he knew exactly what he

802
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,960
was seeing. So yeah, I think it was If he

803
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:46,320
had been just a normal, regular kid, I think he

804
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,119
would have been more inclined to believe me and just saying, oh,

805
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:54,199
it's nothing to worry about, it's just a bear. They

806
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,960
usually mind their business, don't worry about it, and it

807
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,239
would have been fine. But not him. And then again

808
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,039
that whole sensitive thing, like he picked up on something,

809
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:04,880
he picked up on something negative.

810
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 3: You are his mother, after all, so it's totally understandable

811
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,119
that you try to insulate him the way he did

812
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:15,440
from what actually happened. But in hindsight, do you have

813
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,800
any misgivings about telling him that it was just a

814
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,840
mengi beer and not telling him what it actually was

815
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:22,480
or are you still okay with that?

816
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:29,599
Speaker 2: I'm still okay with it because I think if I

817
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:37,239
had given him validation for that sighting or validated his

818
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,920
I think it would have made it worse. I think

819
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,199
he would have been even more fearful than he already was.

820
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're right about that. Like I said, you

821
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,119
know him better than anyone in the world, so who

822
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:53,960
would know better than you had to handle that the

823
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,360
best way. That's all there is to it. Now that

824
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,960
he's older, has he tried to learn as much as

825
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,320
he can about dog men or does he just try

826
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,400
to avoid the subject altogether as much as possible.

827
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: He and I both will kind of dive into Like

828
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:17,159
we love Aaron Dese and his documentaries that he's been

829
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:21,000
doing about dog men. We'll sit down together and watch

830
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:27,159
them because we're just it's amazing how many people have

831
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,960
these same encounters and all of us we don't go,

832
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,239
we don't talk about it. We go for years and

833
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,199
years and years without talking to people about it, and

834
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,679
then you see something as well made as some of

835
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:44,559
these documentaries that have come out. You know, it's gotten

836
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,320
to a thing where he and I will watch those

837
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,239
together and look at each other like, oh, okay, so

838
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,960
that explains that, Like, that's I did not know that.

839
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,039
I did not know that. You know, the amber eye

840
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:57,400
thing was was a big one because I was like,

841
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,639
I didn't know that was an odd thing. But apparently

842
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:05,760
I just thought it was a normal I shine, you know.

843
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,800
So But yeah, now he's not as into it as

844
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,079
I am because I'm going through and looking up like

845
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:20,840
historical things like an old Chickasaw Indian Native American tales

846
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,079
for that area. He's just like, yeah, I'll watch the

847
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:26,480
documentary and that's about it.

848
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's great that the two of you

849
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,400
watched these documentaries together. That's wonderful. That's how it should be.

850
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,320
You'd already seen your own dog man, But when you

851
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,480
told you about the message you heard in his head,

852
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,599
did that mortify you or did you not believe him?

853
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: That scared me. That scared me because I kind of

854
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:51,079
took it as a threat even though it said, you know,

855
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:56,760
I could if I wanted to, but it did not. Yeah,

856
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:02,639
that's kind of scared me, and especially a child that's

857
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,159
four and five years old, you know, that kind of

858
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,679
made that actually made me angry.

859
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: To be quite honest, I can understand why that's horrible.

860
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,000
As if it isn't bad enough, him being so young

861
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,880
and having that experience is so traumatic already by itself,

862
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,559
he has to have a message like that in his head.

863
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,000
That's horrible. It really is. You waited until he was

864
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:32,000
ten to tell him about your encounter. Was he mad

865
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,440
at you for hiding your encounter from him or did

866
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,400
he take it in stride.

867
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: He wasn't angry, but he was kind of like, I

868
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,480
cannot believe you told me it was a bear with mange.

869
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:52,599
After all those years and then you have that encounter

870
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,239
and you know, I'm not crazy. I didn't see things,

871
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,320
and I was just like, I never said you were crazy.

872
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,960
I just you know, I just I did not want

873
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,320
you to be because I know you, and I know

874
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,400
how you are. When the sun goes down and you're

875
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,440
over it your grandparents, you're going to be calling me

876
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,360
wanting to come home because you're afraid the thing's going

877
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,360
to be out in the field again. So you know

878
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,000
that's why I told you what I told you. But yeah,

879
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,960
now he wasn't angry angry, he was just kind of

880
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:29,119
teasing me for not being upfront with him about it.

881
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 3: Well, you only did that to try to protect him.

882
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:35,480
He's still a kid, so it's doubtful he's going to

883
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:38,719
understand that. But as always, you're just looking out for

884
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,119
his best interest.

885
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he and he knows that. He knows that now,

886
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:52,480
but he just I think his thing was he whereas

887
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,519
me and my sister had each other where we could,

888
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,280
you know, if we wanted to talk about it, we could.

889
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,639
I think his thing was he really didn't have anybody

890
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:05,280
to talk about it with. And I think that's where

891
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,840
my niece comes in. I think maybe he had mentioned

892
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,119
something to her and she said and she, you know,

893
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:20,280
had told him, Oh, well, you know, my mom and

894
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,559
your mom had something like that walking home one night.

895
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:25,559
That's what my mom told me. Because she's a few

896
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:26,679
years older than he is.

897
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: I'm so glad he's got her to talk with about this.

898
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,119
I mean, when you have an experience like that, when

899
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:35,519
you're a kid, it's always better if you have peers

900
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,679
you can bounce things off of. But at least he

901
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,920
had her or has her to do that, so thank

902
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,599
goodness for that.

903
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're close. They're very close, like me and

904
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,880
my sister are close.

905
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:53,559
Speaker 3: So well, that's really good. Did your dad not believe

906
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:56,440
in you when you told him about your experience strain

907
00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:59,239
your relationship with him? Or were you okay with that?

908
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:04,079
Speaker 2: Oh? No, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it.

909
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,280
What's funny about my dad is it kind of depends

910
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,519
on his mood when he wakes up, Like one day

911
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:16,079
he'll be I don't believe in any of that, and

912
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:17,960
then the next day he'll be like, have you been

913
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,920
watching this new stuff on Bigfoot? So I just kind

914
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,639
of dismiss it. But you know, it's funny because lately,

915
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:28,800
and I talked to my sister about this, the last

916
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,760
few times i've called him, he has specifically brought up

917
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,760
dog Man and I don't know if he's watching documentaries

918
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,320
on it or if he's you know, and he keeps

919
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,000
bringing it up to me, and I don't tell him

920
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:46,159
my story anymore. I'm just like, uh huh, uh huh,

921
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:49,159
And he's just like, yeah, I don't really I don't

922
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,840
really believe in all that. I think that's just people

923
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,440
are just misidentifying some animals, you know, that they see

924
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,119
or whatever. And now it makes me wonder if he's

925
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:05,800
actually seen something and he's kind of trying to bring

926
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,280
up the topic because my father, my father is one

927
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,119
of those. He's eighty now, he's one of those that

928
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:21,000
he's just he's not going to bring it up, like,

929
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:25,480
he's not going to admit that he's seen something unless

930
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:27,199
I bring up the topic first.

931
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: Well, if he's still living there, he just might have

932
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,960
seen one. What are you going to do if he

933
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,440
does call you aplet one night crying for help because

934
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,119
he just saw a dog man? Are you going to

935
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,519
rebuff him or listen to him?

936
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: Oh? I'll listen to him. I'll absolutely listen to him,

937
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,400
you know. And I'll also tell him I told you so.

938
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 3: Oh that's a given you have to do that. He's

939
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,119
got that coming. Before I ask you for your closing comments, TJ,

940
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,320
I just want to remind everyone that the first four

941
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,079
episodes of my new Dogmian podcast are revealed for listening now.

942
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,039
I just publish them tonight again. The new podcast is

943
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,400
called dog Me Entails And to find out how to

944
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,559
listen please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and visit the

945
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:15,000
podcast page. I posted links for the new show there.

946
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,000
Now we have that taken care of, TJ. Do you

947
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,800
have any clothes in comments you'd like to share?

948
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: No, I don't, other than beware of the corn fields.

949
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely do seem to be drawn to them. Well,

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I can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the

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details of not only your experience, but your son's experience

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as well. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Thank you for having me. It's been

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very helpful talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's great. I'm glad it's been beneficial. Well, if

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I can ever help you out in the future, please

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do let me know. Hopefully there won't be any problems,

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but if you do have any down the road, I'll

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be there for you. So please remember that.

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Speaker 2: Oh I will. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a

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great night.