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Speaker 1: This is a studio both and production. Many of the

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bravest never are known and get no praise, but that

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does not lessen their beauty. Louisa may Alcott. Perhaps the

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most compelling and significant aspect of the Israel Keys case

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for me is that of the many victims who at

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this point are missing persons or both missing persons and

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John or Jane. Does the idea that someone you love

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could be lost in the world that you're left to

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constantly wonder what happened to them? Are they hurt? Are

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they alive? Did they disappear of their own volition? Did

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they meet with foul play? Was there something I didn't know?

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Was there something I did or something I could have done.

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It's a mystery, yes, but a mystery of the most

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heartbreaking kind. There are so many stories of people spending

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their entire lives desperately trying to find their loved ones,

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desperately trying to find answers, with no peace, with little reconciliation.

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It's perhaps the slowest and cruelest torture Keys ever inflicted,

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a torture that for some never ends. In Nemus alone,

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there are seventy eight still unidentified bodies that have been

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recovered since June of two thousand, when Keys return from

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as Army deployment in Egypt. And that's in Washington State alone.

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Seventy eight stories with no resolve, seventy eight families with

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no resolve, seventy eight lives whose deaths can't even be

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dignified with a name, And as we well know, NamUs

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is by no means a complete catalog of loss. It's

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merely an unfinished chapter in a book full of unfinished

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chapters that never seems to end. I've reviewed almost every

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single one of those seventy eight dos, but it was

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two researchers for the podcast who were able to narrow

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down those seventy eight dos and using maps and data,

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tell some pretty eerie and familiar stories. Stories will share

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over the next two episodes. This is my friend Kaz,

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who's a prosecutor and board member for the nonprofit organization

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founded by Bruce Maitland, Private Investigations for the Missing. Caz

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really got the ball rolling in terms of taking a

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look at does in Washington State and later in the Northeast.

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Speaker 2: So where I started was, you know, everybody kind of

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had like a niche that they fell into and we

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were all. I felt like we were also like working

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on this assumption that none of the people had been

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found already, which made me think of NamUs and the

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Unidentified Persons function on Neamus. So I thought, if we

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go through NamUs for a chunk of time that would

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cover the keys timeline that everybody else has been working on,

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maybe we can see if any of those John or

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Jane does would match up to the to the to

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the people that we were the victims potential victims that

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we were looking at, and find out if they had

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already been compared and ruled out or if they hadn't

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been compared at all, and you know, judging by you know, time, location,

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the keys kind of like you know, touchdones, like things

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that we've been that we've been seeing come up over

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and over again, like boat, boat launches, boat ramps, outhouses,

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coffee shops, you know, wooded areas, et cetera, cemeteries. You see,

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if any of those things were in the areas of

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these unidentified persons that haven't even found. So I started

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with Washington because we know that he spent a lot

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of time in Washington and a lot of the murders.

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We think took place in Washington. So I went in.

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I punched in as my search criteria John and Jane

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does between January of nineteen ninety seven to the present,

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and it returned ninety three unidentified people.

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Speaker 3: And that's all of Washington State.

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Speaker 2: All of Washington State.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: As I'm looking at this list, it was obvious to

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me that there was going to be some that were

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not going to fit at all. For instance, more urban

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areas like say, parts of Seattle, it's not going to

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fit with you know, what we know about keys. You know,

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also the type of individual it was in Washington, it

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was in some other states too that I looked at.

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There were you know, deceased, like very young infants, and

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that's not going to fit with what we're looking for.

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So what I ended up looking for in terms of

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criteria was, you know, it was basically, you know, my opinions,

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first impressions and thoughts, looking at what name is the

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information that name has provided us, and then I would

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kind of plug those dates, times, places, and criteria into

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Google to see if I can come up with any

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news stories or anything that could give me some extra

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information about these particular unidentified persons. And for a lot

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of them. There wasn't a lot of information at all.

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something something like that. For some I got a lot

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of information. There was some news reports, especially remains that

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were found closer in time to us. Now, a couple

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of things that I kept in mind. You know, just

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because remains were found in a certain year doesn't mean

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that they were put there in that year. I looked at,

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you know, do we have skeleton remains versus do we

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have a full intact body or was there some level

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of decomposition or putrification that would lean towards or lend

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towards a body having been placed there closer in time then,

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you know, as opposed to skeleton remains, which could be

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in an environment in Washington anywhere. And I'm just ballparking

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this because I'm not a scientist anywhere from you know,

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a year to decades, you know. And I also looked at,

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you know, the state of the body. Do we have

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a skull, do we have a femur, or do we

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have a full and fully intact skeleton. And then also

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you know, just the locations ruling out you know, again,

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bodies that were found or remains that were found in

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more urban or suburban areas in the ocean, in bodies

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of water or near bodies of water that might not

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lend itself to keys being there. Like, we kind of

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have a good idea, I think at this point of

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what his type of place is. And it was easy

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to be able to you know, say like, okay, this

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is a very suburban area. This is not going to

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be a place where he's going to where he would

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have put somebody. So we're going to rule that one out.

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just going through Washington State, but through the other states,

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looking at you know, where there were some things where

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you know, places change after a while. Sometimes there could

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be excavation, there could be construction, and a lot of

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these a lot of these remains are found when people

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were doing some kind of work or like tearing down

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an old abandoned house or excavating for a swimming pool

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or something like that, and that's when these remains were

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being found. So, you know, I started to think too.

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was computing, you know, what was this area like then

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what could it have been like before? So that's where

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French and the and the Google Maps and the Google

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take you know, this data and you know, see if

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you can find you know the history of these of

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these places, like the photohistory of these places, to see like, Okay,

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so there's something built here, but what was it like

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in twenty twelve, or what was it like in two

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thousand and nine, or what was it like in nineteen

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ninety nine?

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Speaker 1: And when Kaz finished combing through those dough files, she

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sent them along to French, who created some pretty compelling

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maps using archival data, property records, and urban development history.

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Speaker 5: When Caz coached me, I was super skeptical, and I

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think there's a lot of keys mythology, you know, we

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because we don't have a lot of bodies, you know,

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to look at, we tend to think that he was

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an expert at getting rid of them, even though he

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admitted one was found and it was kind of accidental.

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of the interviews and kind of thought about what we

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know about keys and body disposal. You know, we've got

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Deborah Feldman the Story of two thousand and nine, where

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you know, there's just remains we don't know any more

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than that somewhere near a river, maybe buried, maybe submerged,

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I don't know much. And then you know, we got

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the couriers left in the basement of an abandoned building

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to decompose and he was going to return later. And

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then we've got Samantha Konig, who was obviously dismembered after

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the fact after a while and then put into a lake.

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you know, putting people in legs, the couple that he buried,

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that kind of thing. But I think the thing that

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stood out the most of me was him talking about

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Eagle River. That little cliff I think it's seven twelve

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is super interesting because he talks about his plan and

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how he developed a plan to kill somebody and use

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a pre dug ditch near that berm to bury them

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and then cover them with sheet metal that was found nearby,

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which kind of doesn't fit with a lot of the

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things that we think about keys, because you know, he's

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not taking them to a second location he's killing them there,

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where there's an outhouse. But the fact that he was

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just gonna, you know, I think, bury them, probably a

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shallow grave considering where he was near the road, and

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then cover them with metal and then go on his way.

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killed someone carried that plan out, how easy would it

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have been for wildlife to get to it? And then

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possible that some of these bodies have been dug up

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through a natural process, and that maybe some of the

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remains have been discovered. So I went in with an

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open mind in that way, and I just went through

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list and she had a great color coordination. And I

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went through and I started reading all the news articles

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depending on who enters it into the database, the coordinates

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would plot it into this Google map, which has everything

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else that we know about Keys put into it and

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just kind of look and see, like how it relates

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looking at you know, being able to see his movements

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once I determined that all out, I would also say like, okay, well,

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if we know Keys was active during this timeframe, what

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do the maps look like now compared to when this

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body might have been placed there? I think the Lake

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Taps is one of the best examples of that.

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Speaker 1: The Lake Taps dough is one of two dough cases

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that sparked our deep dive into unidentified remains, and it's

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a case that using archival map data, French was able

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to pin point a fairly clear timeline for Lake Taps

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is a small forested town just ten miles east of Tacoma, Washington,

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which was built around yes Lake Taps, and this female

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Dough came up in our research into the Giovanna Tyler

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case as a reminder, Giovanna Tyler disappeared from her home

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in Tacoma on March twenty eighth of two thousand and four,

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and shortly before her disappearance, she and Israel Keys ended

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up in the Nia Bay Police station on the same night.

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But it's not so much the proximity of Tyler's home

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to Lake Taps that led us to investigate this Dough,

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but it's many, many haunting similarities to what we know

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about Israel Keys and what Israel Keys told the FBI

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about his crimes. The Lake Taps Jane Doe was discovered

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on August twenty eighth of twenty nineteen during the cleanup

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and prep for sale of an abandoned property two blocks

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from the lake. The skeletal remains, later determined to be

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a woman between the ages of eighteen and fifty, approximately

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sixty one to sixty seven inches tall, were found in

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a recycling bin which had been almost completely swallowed by overgrowth.

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found a you know, they're talking there was a construction

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crew that was getting rid of a trailer. They found

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and you're clearly you know, there's a trailer right here

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that's overgrown and overrun. There's a sale for sale sign,

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there's an abandoned trailer, and there's a blue recycling bin,

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which is super creepy to actually see on the map.

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So I want to be able to go through and

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see this was like, I don't know when this photo

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was taken necessarily because this version of Google Maps doesn't

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show that. But this version does Google earth Pro. So

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looking at Google earth Pro here I can go back

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in time and see overhead. When I want to know

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when this trailer was actually abandoned, you know, because that

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would if it was only abandoned within the last couple

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of years. That would put a different you know, that

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would rule keys out. So if we go back as

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far as we can, there's not a whole lot. But

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we keep going forward and we see it looks pretty

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well occupied June two thousand and two, but by March

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two thousand and five, it's starting to look less occupied

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and less occupied. You can see this is the trailer.

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You can see those the bushes are growing pretty well

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next to the trailer where the recycling bin was found.

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And then certainly by two thousand and nine this is

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an abandoned property. So taking that into consideration, we go

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just to regular old Google Earth here or Google Maps

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on your browser. If we can look at the street view,

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we can go back in time at certain points if

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you're lucky, and we were lucky enough that we can

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go back to two thousand and eight and see, yeah,

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this was not occupied in two thousand and eight. There's

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clearly a for sale sign and that section where the

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recycling bin was found is overgrown. So my guess whoever

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put that body there stuffed it in the recycling bin

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and just tucked it into these It looks like BlackBerry brambles,

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and it wasn't touched for you know, close to over

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a decade, I would say. And if we go up

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to twenty twelve, you can see those brambles are thick.

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You know, you lived in the Northwest, You're not going

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to go through those brambles very easily at all, very

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thorny and difficult to get into. By twenty fifteen, it's

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almost completely overtaken the trailer and then luckily enough, about

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a month before they actually discovered the body. That's why

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the recycling binness exposed is because they were clearing this

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to get ready to demolish the property. And so this

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is July twenty nineteen, and this body was discovered in

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August twenty nineteen. August twenty eight, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: After looking into property records, deed transfers, and property tax history,

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we were able to determine that the body was most

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likely placed on the property between two thousand and four

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and two thousand and eight. The property went on the

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market in late two thousand and three, where it sat

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abandoned and for sale for three years. In March of

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two thousand six, it was purchased, but remained abandoned and

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transferred hands through quick claim sales multiple times until the

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twenty nineteen demolition, and when analyzing both the growth of

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those brambles and the presence of for sale signs, the

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likely timeline of the Jane Doe can be narrowed down

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to late two thousand three to early two thousand six,

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and Keys fits into this picture in many notable ways.

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Let's start with the time line and geography. This is

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an area that Keys was incredibly familiar with. Lake Taps

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is less than thirty miles from where he was stationed

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at Fort Lewis and Tacoma from September of ninety nine

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until January of two thousand, and then again following his

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return from Egypt in June of two thousand until his

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eventual discharge and moved to Nea Bay in July of

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two thousand one. The time frame for when the body

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was most likely placed on the property is during a

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period where Keys was admittedly very active in Washington State,

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and specifically during a time where he was traveling to

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or through the Seattle Tacoma metro area almost daily. Between

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January of two thousand four and June of two thousand six.

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We have receipts placing keys crossing Puget Sound by Ferry

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thirty five different times, and financial records and cell phone

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pings place him in the area well beyond that, and

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from interviews with friends and family, we also know for

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much of this time he was dating Denise, who lived

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in the Tacoma area, So, like I said, he knew

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the area quite well. And then there's cell phone pings

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that place keys driving past Lake Taps on our October

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twenty first of two thousand and four. Also of note

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is the property itself.

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Speaker 6: I did check out this house for a while to

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know it was empty, right, Well, no, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I think I found it that day, maybe early in

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the morning that day. I had left Dallas early that morning.

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Speaker 6: I don't remember what time, but I was driving around

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to a lot of small towns that day.

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Speaker 4: Or just with a plan of finding a bank run. Yeah, yeah,

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I had them all. It seems like maybe you were

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killing time before the bank's opened with that house or

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was that what you were doing? Yeah, yeah, no, I was.

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Speaker 6: I mean I always look, I always stop at empty houses,

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especially if they have for sale signs, and looking for yeah,

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just to kill time and check out an area.

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Speaker 4: And and I don't know.

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Speaker 7: In Texas, I was surprised, Like, the security is actually

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pretty tight. There's a lot most people have gates and

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locked gates. So it took me a while to to

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find that place.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I was just killing time whatever.

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Speaker 1: The Lake trailer sits on half an acre of land,

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obscured almost entirely from the road by trees and overgrowth.

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Archival street view photos show that only the roof of

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the trailer could be seen from the road from two

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thousand and four through twenty eighteen. Even the majority of

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the driveway and surrounding property are not visible from the road,

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and directly across the street from the property is a

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tree lined back fence. And it should be noted that

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trailer homes come up multiple times in interviews with Keys.

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He discusses setting one on fire, he discusses breaking into

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multiple trailers, and he talks about staying for a short

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while in a trailer. In fact, real estate images show

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that at some point between two thousand three and twenty eighteen,

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the Lake Taps trailer was broken into. But what's most

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interesting about this apparent break in is the method. The

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majority of the windows are missing on the trailer, making

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it incredibly easy to slip in and out without making

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a noise or any visible disturbances, Yet the rear sliding

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glass door has been shattered. It also appears that someone

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tried to remove the slider completely but couldn't due to

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an abstruct so it's fair to say that whoever broke

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in was trying to move something very large into the trailer,

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rather than simply just trying to gain access to the

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already very accessible interior. The other standout is the property's

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transactional history, specifically that it was consistently on the market

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from late two thousand and three until spring of two

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thousand and six. Keyes told investigators that he found the

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Essex Junction farmhouse where he killed the couriers and abandoned

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their bodies by looking for abandoned properties in real estate

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magazines and websites. This property was abandoned and listed during

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the three years the body was most likely to have

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been placed there.

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Speaker 5: And then that's the kickers. Once I determined the exact location,

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like this is clearly where that body was found, and

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look up that location, you know, I found the listing

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and it showed all of the interior photos of this

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property and something that I can't tell when those were posted,

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but clearly, you know that's something he's admitted to doing.

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He would look online at all of these for sale

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properties and you could very clearly tell that this was

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an abandoned property and it, you know, I think it

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would have been just a really great place for Keys

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to do his thing.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, and then I guess going back to the reason

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we stumbled upon this or started really looking into this,

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was when we were looking into the case of Giovanna

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Tyler because she disappeared. It's been a while since I've

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done the map, but I think five miles from this

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trailer I think.

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Speaker 5: I think it's about thirteen miles driving like the most

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direct route, and Giovanna, you know, went missing two thousand

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and four, which kind of lines up. I think it

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would have been a freshly abandoned property at that time.

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It definitely it makes it seem like this is somebody

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that they should be comparing the DNA too, and I'm

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almost positive, Caz, it's determined that they haven't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which is crazy.

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Speaker 5: I think that's one of the big takeaways. One of

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the big tragedies of this whole learning experience is that

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you know, DNA is not being compared at the rate

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it should to these bodies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what was really disappointing for me and

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what cast sent over is seeing there's bodies they're finding

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in Washington that they're comparing to people who are missing

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in California, but not to people who are missing in

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Washington State.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, just to clarify, I just looked it up on

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names and the lake the Lake taps Jane Doe. There's

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been no comparisons that have been put into this, and

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you know, part of that is is because this is

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something that I've been looking into a little bit recently,

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is that you know, depending on the bones and depending

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on what we what we have two to actually get

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DNA out of those remains. I I imagine that it's

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probably costly. I imagine that it's not something that is

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necessarily on everybody's radar. Is something to do in terms

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of you know, law enforcement, and you know, it doesn't

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it doesn't really say even on the case file. I

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mean it says it's a near complete or complete skeleton.

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You know, even just take DNA out of the out

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of the running for a second, if you if at

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least if they had you know, dental records or or

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something or some kind of medical records that they can compare.

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You know, why aren't we doing that?

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Speaker 1: And that's the hardest part about looking into these many,

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many unidentified bodies, These bodies who are people with lives

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and stories and loved ones. Local law enforcement and even

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the FBI don't seem to have the resources, time, or

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bandwidth to do simple comparison testing, even in some cases

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where it seems pretty clear cut who these people could be.

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After French and Kaz shared their findings with me, I

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started running these doughs against missing persons cases in Namis

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and on the Charlie Project. And in all of these

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highly curated doughcases, there were matches familiar to this podcast

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and my investigation, names and faces I've come to know

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quite well. When running the known and estimated data on

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the Lake taps Jane Doe through missing persons cases out

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of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and California, there are twenty one

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possible matches and these matches include names you're familiar with,

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Giovanna Tyler, Kimberly, Anne Forbes, Cynthia Jane Marril, Lynn o'honna,

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and Tina May Costin, among many others. But there's something

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else that stands out about the geography of Lake Taps

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its proximity to a population dense metro area. Lake Taps

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itself is fairly ex Surban, but it abuts to Washington

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State's largest metropolitan area, which is actually not. Unlike the

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locations of the Couriers and Samantha, Konix remains. Essex Junction

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is a fifteen minute drive from downtown Burlington. Mattanuska Lake

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is a forty minute drive from downtown Anchorage. What this

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location tells me is if it's Keys, it's likely someone

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who is abducted from nearby. As in the cases again

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of the Couriers and Samantha, and as I went through

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the twenty one missing persons matches, the majority were from

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rural and remote areas some distance away. Why would Keys,

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or anyone for that matter, drive a kidnapping victim or

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even a body over one hundred miles through remote forest,

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farmland or high desert into a population dense neighborhood. It

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makes no sense, and its high risk with even higher effort.

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And if there's two things we've learned about Keys, it's

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that he avoided high risk situations, and yet was somehow

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still an incredibly lazy criminal. It seems more likely that

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the Lake taps janeed O was abducted from nearby and

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taken to this area, which would be the closest low

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population forested area to the I five corridor, And when

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the search is narrowed using that assumption, there's only six

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possible matches Danica Child's, Cynthia de Vrise, Valerie Renee Delaney,

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Pamela fay Cuic, Catherine Rose, and Giovanna Katie Tyler. Three

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of those disappearances occurred shortly after the two thousand and

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six sail of the trailer in Land. Cynthia Devrze, who

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disappeared from Lynnwood, Washington on May thirtieth of two thousand six,

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Catherine Rose, who disappeared from Piollup, Washington on June twenty

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sixth of two thousand and six, and Danica Diane Childs

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who disappeared from Federal Way, Washington on December twenty one

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of two thousand seven. Of the three remaining missing persons,

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only one, Giovanna Tyler, lines up with Keyes's known m

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Valerie Delaney, disappeared from the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle,

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which is a high density, high traffic area. Other than that,

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there's not a lot of information available on her disappearance.

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Pamela Cwick was very likely killed by her estranged and

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abusive husband, who is currently serving time for a different murder.

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And of all twenty one missing persons cases that match this,

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00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,799
Jane Doe Giovanna Tyler's disappearance occurred the closest to where

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00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:20,960
the remains were recovered. Lake Taps is just thirteen miles

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00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,640
from Giovanna's house and an almost straight line from door

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00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,920
to door. The second dough that inspired our deep dive

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00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,720
was one I came across while looking into the case

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00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,279
of Stephen Michael Mason.

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Speaker 3: I would love to discuss because it's the one that

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drives me the craziest. The el Law Reservo, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: On May tenth of twenty twelve, a dog dug up

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00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,200
an adult human leg bone from a thin layer of

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silt on the lower Elwaw Column Reservation, just eight miles

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00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:03,960
southwest from downtown Bangelus. And let's start with the general frustration,

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which is very little has been made public or is

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00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:13,720
known about who this leg belonged to according to available records,

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the sex is uncertain, the height and weight of the

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00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,880
person cannot be estimated. The estimated age range is eighteen

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00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:26,240
to ninety nine, and the year of death cannot be

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estimated either. Although it has been determined that the bone

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00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:36,039
is not that of any ancient tribal remains, the bone

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00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,720
was initially thought to belong to Karen Tucker, a woman

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00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,200
who disappeared from the area in nineteen ninety one. However,

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DNA analysis done in October of twenty twelve ruled Tucker out. Unfortunately,

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as of this recording, that is the only information about

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00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,759
the DNA analysis that has ever been made publicly available.

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But there are multiple reasons beyond just proximity to consider

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keys when looking at these human remains.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this Elwah one stands out for lots of reasons.

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For one, they drained a reservoir and found it. For two,

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this is right at the intersection where he was harassing

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00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:26,240
Molly while she was driving. Elwah comes up a lot,

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00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,680
and I remember just last week we were talking about

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it came up in a weird place that.

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Speaker 5: In the witness report from the barista in Squim, she

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said that Keys specifically mentioned that he did work on

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the Elwah reservation.

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Speaker 8: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: This leg was found not just along the shore of

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00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,680
the Elwah River, but in an area that had previously

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00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,599
been the deepest section of Lake Aldwell, a reservoir that

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00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,319
was drained as part of an ecosystem restoration project in

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00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:09,920
the spring of twenty twelve. Additionally, Keyes did work on

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00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,840
the lower Elwah Column reservation in at least two thousand

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00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,920
four and two thousand and five, and possibly later into

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two thousand and six. And this is the exact location

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00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,280
where Keys tried to run a woman named Molly off

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00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,519
the road late one night in winter spring of two

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00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:36,159
thousand and one two thousand two. And while we don't

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know a lot about this bone based on where it

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00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,079
was recovered in the history of Lake Aldwell, which was

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created by the nineteen thirteen damning of the Iwah River,

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it seems most likely that the bone arrived by boat.

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00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,199
And while the lake taps and Lake Caldwell does are

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00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,880
the remains that ignited our deep dive, they are by

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00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,400
no means the cases that most line up with Keys.

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In addition to these two doughs, we investigated seven other

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00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:21,320
Washington does that could possibly be Key's victims, four who

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00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,360
were found in national or state parks and forests, one

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00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,639
who was found following the demolition of another abandoned house,

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00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,199
one who was found adjacent to Fort Lewis, where Keys

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00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,559
was stationed in the army, and one who was found

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00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:43,599
near a boat ramp and the very town where Keys

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00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:48,760
bought his bay Liner boat. And when looking for missing

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00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,239
persons who could match these doughs, we encountered many disappearances

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00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,960
that looked similar to Keys cases, including more than a

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00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,480
handful of names familiar to us, like Wendy de Hoop,

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00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:09,599
Robert Perry, Bissell, Cynthia Jane, Marl Koi, Dang Vu, Kimberly,

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00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:29,880
Anne Forbes, Juvana Tyler, and del Mar Wayne. Sample. When

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00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,960
you experience loss, people say you'll move through the five

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00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:44,960
stages of grief, denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. What they

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00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,840
don't tell you is that you'll cycle through them all

551
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:57,639
every day. Ranata Suzuki. It's sometimes easy to buy into

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00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:02,079
the Keys mythology and get lost in an orchestrated hopelessness

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00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,280
that we might never find the remains of his victims.

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00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,880
But there are bodies out there, recovered remains that just

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00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:19,960
haven't been identified yet, And the strange dichotomy of how

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00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,119
we talk about those bodies isn't lost on me. That

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00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,920
body tends to refer to the entirety of something, its completeness,

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00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,599
a body of work. But in the case of the

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:40,880
human body, in the instances of finding bodies, the body

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00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:46,000
is missing the thing that made it complete, its humanity,

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:54,119
its person. When a person becomes just a body, they

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00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,880
are no longer a complete body of work. And when

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00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:02,920
someone is minimized down to just the nameless body that remains,

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00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,800
it becomes easier and easier to overlook them, to overlook

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00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:16,320
that body, to not prioritize the closure, to not find

566
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,559
its home. It's easy to talk about how DNA testing

567
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:25,920
costs too much or takes too much time when that

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00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:34,239
person is just a body who currently belongs to no one.

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00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,599
And that's the other conflict in these bodies. How in

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the recovery of a missing loved one, there is the

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00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:46,480
simultaneous pain of there being no more hope in the

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00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:53,320
long awaited emancipation from wondering and worrying and searching. Hope

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00:38:53,440 --> 00:39:00,840
often dies with closure. It's a tortuous liberation, but in

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00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,639
many cases, short of a miracle, it's the most we

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can hope for.

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Speaker 4: A picture you in the sun, wandering.

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Speaker 2: What were.

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00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:18,039
Speaker 9: And falling down.

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00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 10: On your knees, asking for sympathy, and being caught in

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between all you wish for and all you see, and

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00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:42,639
trying to find anything you can't feel that you can bevn.

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Speaker 8: Make God's love be with you. Of make God's love

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be read here.

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Speaker 11: No I would apologize if I could see your eyes,

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cause when you show me myself, you know I became

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00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,039
someone else, but I was caught in between.

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Speaker 9: All you wish for and all you me.

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00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 11: I'll picture your pries to sleep.

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00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,559
Speaker 12: When night back comes.

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00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,679
Speaker 3: You can't kid.

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Speaker 13: Make cause of be with you, Oh, make gods of

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00:40:47,880 --> 00:41:04,199
with make gods of me with you, my gout of

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00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,960
the way.

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Speaker 11: Five if I find a way as my twin bad impasta.

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00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 9: If I fie ma way, have my will fad im

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fast If by five mile way twitter bad.

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Speaker 4: I don't know more what it's fun.

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00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:13,199
Speaker 11: I'm not even sure if there is anyone who's in

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00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,159
this sun.

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Speaker 13: Will you have me to understand?

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00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:23,119
Speaker 12: Because I've been caught in between all I wish for

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00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:30,400
and all of me. Maybe I'm not even show what

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00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,840
it's for and even love.

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00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 14: Maybe make God's love be with you, Oh, make God's

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00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,679
love be with you.

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00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:56,519
Speaker 4: Make gods.

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00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 9: I can't be wait kiss your pa I bas bay

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00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:34,159
and twas I bast waiting, tweas impast by waiting. Twell,

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00:43:35,920 --> 00:44:12,360
maybe it's fast. I wait, but you if she gave,

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00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:14,079
she