WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:17.839 Get ready, jeez, March fifth, twenty twenty five, allegedly according 2 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:19.879 to that thing we call a calendar, and guess what 3 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:23.960 this is, the o'celly effect. It is a Wednesday night 4 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:27.239 and we're live. Now. This is gonna be interesting because 5 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.160 I didn't plan on it exactly this way, but I've 6 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:32.520 gone to air a little late. I'm gonna shut up quickly, 7 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:35.520 believe it or not, and get right away to Mike Swanson, 8 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.439 the guy behind Wall Street Window dot com, the author 9 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:43.000 of the War State as well as Why the Vietnam War, 10 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.479 And we're gonna talk to him about the current state 11 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:50.240 of the economy because man, I'm awfully confused. We're gonna 12 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.280 squeeze this in in less than an hour, and then 13 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.119 right away we're gonna get to Larry Hancock in the 14 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:59.479 second hour and talk to him about international affairs. So anyway, Mike, 15 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:01.960 let's straight to it. How are you doing tonight? 16 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.000 First of all, oh, I'm doing fun. 17 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.000 There's I sent you a bunch of news articles, yes 18 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:13.840 that you know, as possible talking points, but yeah, their 19 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:18.560 business deal is being done. And when I didn't send 20 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.239 you because it came out after that email hit the 21 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:26.359 news wire, there's a company called scale Ai, okay, and 22 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:31.439 they just announced a multimillion dollar defense deal with the 23 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:36.959 Defense Department to help with military automation. They have a 24 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:44.239 program that's gonna integrate with the Defense Department called thunder Forge. Anyway, 25 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:50.599 this was on the CNBC website, and this is one 26 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:55.400 of the victories, you know, being trumpeted. Now it's not 27 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:57.799 you know, you didn't hear it in the State of 28 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.640 the Union address. I didn't listen to the whole thing, 29 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:03.359 so I don't think it was mentioned. 30 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.159 Well, no, and even if we go to the highlights 31 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:08.599 of the State of the Union, right, I mean, there's 32 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.840 a lot of stuff going on there. He's again talking 33 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:13.680 about eggs, he's talking about how you know, look, we're 34 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.639 going to get this Golden Dome. So obviously there's some 35 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.159 potential spending when it comes to I mean, clearly, even 36 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.080 though we're going to doze the hell out of the government, 37 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:23.919 we're definitely not going to cut back on the military spending. 38 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.080 It seems like to me or maybe just well, well, 39 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:27.120 but go ahead. 40 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:31.439 What's going on with the military spending is they are 41 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:35.439 playing to cut eight percent and that's a big number, 42 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.800 you know, eight percent of the defense budget. 43 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:42.599 And that's what some of the links I sent you were. 44 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.800 About, right, And I know initially like if all you 45 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:50.319 do is follow the Twitter feeds, you just hear about 46 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:51.319 the cuts. 47 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.639 And that sounds like a huge clallback. 48 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:56.800 I mean, that would be wonderful, you know, to cut 49 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:00.479 eight percent I think in my opinion of the defense budget. 50 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.319 And I've seen stories where, you know, some of these 51 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:10.960 really horrible boondoggle programs like the literal literal I I 52 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.240 can't even pronounce it correctly, but it's a Navy ship 53 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:18.000 that billions of dollars been wasted, and even the Navy 54 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:22.599 Department has said they don't really want to continue this program, 55 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:26.840 but you know, it helps certain congressional districts. And then 56 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:29.639 there's there's must know, many many programs like this, But 57 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:30.879 that's just one example. 58 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:34.800 Yeah, you have that fighter jet, right, the fighter jet 59 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.400 and the fighter jet. Everybody brings that up. You and 60 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.240 I talked about the submarine programs. I haven't seen anything 61 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:41.199 about that lately. 62 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:45.280 Well, that's that's not something to be cut, right. The 63 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:49.080 only problem with this it's not really going well. The 64 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:54.319 submarines aren't being built, you know, the program is years behind. 65 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:56.520 Well see that's the thing, right, Hold on just a second. 66 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:58.639 I want to get this in perspective because that's the 67 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.800 problem here where people talk about they announce this stuff, 68 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.240 We're gonna do this big thing. We're gonna you know, 69 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:07.360 like everybody's asking me lately, what about space Force? How 70 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:11.120 much money is being put into space Force? Nobody knows 71 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:12.639 right or it seems. 72 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:13.840 Like I want to mention that too. 73 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:19.000 So they're cutting eight percent of the budget. And you 74 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.519 mentioned the Dome. I didn't listen to this whole State 75 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:23.319 of the Union has watched like twenty minutes to cut 76 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:23.639 it off. 77 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:25.920 But you heard about the Golden Dome where he wants another. 78 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:30.839 Yeah, I want to talk about that too. So this 79 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.959 eight percent cut, what's really happening? And I sent you 80 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.319 a link where Pete Hagsith is that it's on the 81 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.879 Defense Department website Defense dot gov. He's giving a video 82 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.639 address to the Defense Department about well, you know about 83 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:49.319 those cuts. 84 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.240 I'm gonna put that in the links at ocelly dot 85 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.920 com and put that in the chat room, just get 86 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:55.639 people to roll it back. They can always go in 87 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:57.480 the live chat room even after the show, and I'll 88 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.279 include it with the show notes. Yeah, but it's from 89 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:03.839 depend excuse me, defense doc go of that website. So yeah, 90 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:05.399 go ahead, Sorry, I just want to let people know. 91 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:09.800 Yeah, and they got a link to a JP Satilly link. 92 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:16.120 He compiled a couple of stuff. His argument is that, look, 93 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.319 there really is no defense cuts, and he's correct because 94 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:25.480 what's happening is, yes, they're cutting eight percent, but overall 95 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:29.720 they're playing to boost the overall defense budget. They're just eliminating, 96 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.839 planning to eliminate, you know, some of the money being 97 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.680 spent currently and reallocate it to other programs. 98 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.480 And one of the things the money's going. 99 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.920 To reallocate it is to what I mentioned, the scale 100 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:49.040 AI thing which is announced today and what people don't know. 101 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:53.319 And I've read there's a CNBC article, you know, and 102 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:55.160 to me, you know, you read these things. To me, 103 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:59.560 this's a lot of gibber jabber, you know, AI phrases 104 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:00.399 like uh. 105 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.759 Glow, you know, just I don't know, you know, for 106 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:07.079 the thunder Forge. 107 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.639 I mean, you just here all these phrases that you know, 108 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.120 you have to go figure out what they really mean. 109 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.120 But what I was more interested in. 110 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.959 Yeah, they call these things new programs and whatnot, But 111 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.639 we knew already that they were going to start investing 112 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.720 in the AI stuff. It was going to be a 113 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.120 force multiplier. As a matter of fact, That's one of 114 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:26.079 the things I said about this whole Doge thing with 115 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:28.240 the cutting of the jobs, is that a lot of 116 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:30.560 that had to be preparation for jobs that are going 117 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.079 to be taken over by AI, right because you no 118 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:35.680 longer need people to sit there and go through certain 119 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:38.600 things if you can have sorting programs handled by the 120 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.879 artificial intelligence, et cetera. And I mean, of course, there 121 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.680 was the big news story about deep Seek and all that, 122 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.600 the Chinese thing that they slapped together real fast. And 123 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.319 it's no wonder that Elon Musk is there because he's 124 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.279 got his AI thing rolling, and who knows how that's 125 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:55.360 gonna all go. I'm just saying there's a lot of 126 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.319 confusion here because of what's announced versus what's really being done. 127 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:01.439 Though Mike isn't there. 128 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:07.920 Well, I just want people to understand that, first of all, 129 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:10.480 it's sort of an illusion that there's gonna be these 130 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:13.639 As far as things stand now, there's gonna be these 131 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:18.040 massive budget cuts overall, it's more like symbolic things being 132 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:22.879 cut and then money being reallocated. And to me, this 133 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:27.319 this uh Scale I I is a story about who benefits. 134 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:31.560 So I went and looked up who I never heard 135 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.759 of this company before? You know, who are the shareholders 136 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:41.680 of scale AI? And the biggest shareholders are Peter Thiel, 137 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:47.920 h Amazon, Slat you know, which is Jeff Bezos, and Meta, 138 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:49.439 which is Mark Zuckerberg. 139 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:52.240 Yeah. So what a surprise all of the biggest uh 140 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.279 you know, social media people, that tech people that were 141 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.279 all on the stage at the inauguration, Yeah, involved in this. 142 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:02.800 What aren't you shocked, like or or you know that's 143 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.560 sarcasm by the way. I mean, I'm not telling you that, Mike, 144 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.480 I'm telling the listeners. God knows. 145 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:10.800 But right now, no, I'm not shocked. But people need 146 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:11.600 to understand that. 147 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.319 I think they need to understand that, you know, this 148 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.959 is who's benefiting. And then when you talk about the 149 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.839 Iron Dome, so. 150 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.720 He called it a golden dome, golden, they. 151 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:24.480 Changed the name to gold. You're right, they changed the 152 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:25.040 golden Dome. 153 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:27.839 Well, you know, it's Trump. He's got to have everything gold, 154 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.079 you know, because it's it's an upgrade. But the Iron 155 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.159 Dome is just fine for Israel, America gets the Golden 156 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.000 Dome because we have to have the best, you know, Mike, 157 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:36.240 So I'm sorry, go ahead. 158 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:42.080 But on the face of it, you know, as we're 159 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:46.320 speaking at this point, there is no concrete plan or program. 160 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:52.240 It's a executive order and a demand. 161 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.679 I guess you can say for them to study. 162 00:08:55.120 --> 00:09:00.360 He's ordering exploring the issue, right and he's ordering going study. 163 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:00.759 See. 164 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.200 This is another thing people don't understand about these executive 165 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.519 orders because the way they're talking about is it's like 166 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.320 it's a decree. It's almost like a royal decree. Not 167 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:11.039 necessarily when you read this stuff. I tried to explain 168 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.120 that with the JFK thing, which you know, just quick 169 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.519 side note. I know you're paying attention right a little 170 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:19.720 bit to the JFK stuff, and even Jeff Morley and 171 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:22.240 all those guys over there at JFK Facts, they're all going, 172 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.200 wait a minute, how come nothing's happening. And I'm going, guys, 173 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.080 you are the people that should know that nothing is 174 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.919 going to happen right away, because he puts out an 175 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.120 order that says I want this done, I want this 176 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:35.759 looked into, and we should do this as quickly as possible. 177 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:38.559 But he doesn't nail anything down where he says, by 178 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:41.159 this date, this has to get done. If you don't 179 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.960 see Look, it's a pretty simple rule with government declarations. 180 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:49.039 If you don't see specifics in that declaration, then you 181 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.360 won't see specifics in the actions. I mean, I think 182 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.440 that's pretty simple. Or am I wrong about that? 183 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:58.240 Well, you know there's gonna be a congressional hearing on 184 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:03.000 March the twenty first, right, and I don't know who 185 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.080 the witnesses are going to be. But when they announced 186 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:10.840 that hearing, uh, it's a lady. That's a congressional lady. 187 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.360 That's Republican lady that's going to run it from Florida. 188 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:14.039 I forget her. 189 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:15.480 Luna because the Luna. 190 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:22.720 Yeah, I watched her press conference and you could I 191 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.720 first of all, she don't You can tell she doesn't 192 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:30.480 really know that much about the issue because she said 193 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:36.799 there had been multiple congressional investigations, and she referred to 194 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:41.759 the Warrant Commission as one of those as a congressional investigation. 195 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:44.279 Right, which automatically it was correct because it was a 196 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:48.879 special We all know it's the president's creation. He created 197 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.080 this council. It's literally it's it. 198 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.840 Was designed to head off congressional investigation, right. 199 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.639 And that's the funny thing is that these new people, 200 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:01.039 regardless of what their intent is or what because people 201 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:02.600 are arguing are they going to cover it up or 202 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:04.120 are they going to do it? First of all, they 203 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.600 don't know what they're covering up, what they're looking for, 204 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:08.159 or what's already been done. 205 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:08.879 You know. 206 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.120 It's pretty much like when Trump said, you know, during 207 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.799 the Zelensky thing, where he says, and I'm not even 208 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:16.639 going to get into that with you, because God knows, 209 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.200 we'd be here for another hour. But the thing is 210 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:21.440 when he said, well, look, I don't know the history 211 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:23.200 of this and that, and that's only a couple of 212 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:26.639 years ago. The people that are making these statements and 213 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.919 are supposedly in charge when it comes to getting out 214 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:31.879 these files and when it comes to a lot of 215 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.879 other things, do not know the history of what was 216 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.879 already done, don't know what they're actually looking for, and 217 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:42.879 they don't know what already exists because they're sitting there saying, oh, 218 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.000 this will be the first time there's thousands of pages, 219 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:49.360 and I'm going there's five million pages in the JFK 220 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:53.960 Records collection already and these people act as though they 221 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.159 don't know that, because I don't think they do. 222 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.039 No, I don't think she right, Well, she's she. I 223 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:01.679 mean it's interesting. 224 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:03.919 I mean I get the impression they're going to hold 225 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:08.080 this hearing right, and they're going to have some sort 226 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:12.120 of information about the autopsy because she referred to it. Yeah, 227 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:18.840 and she also said that she believes the evidence shows 228 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:19.960 that they're two gunman. 229 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:23.000 Well, that's kind of. 230 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.840 What evidence did she see? You know? See, here we 231 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:29.480 go again, what evidence did she see? Even when they're 232 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:33.080 saying they have new FBI documents, here's my question, how 233 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.440 do they know what's new if they're not fully acquainted 234 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:38.240 with what has already been released? 235 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:39.480 You see. 236 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.360 That's the thing about this. And why do I tie 237 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.240 this all to the JFK thing, because I think it's 238 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:47.279 an excellent example where you and I know the material 239 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:50.039 very well, You and I might not know all of 240 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.639 the current military spending, no matter how much you keep 241 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:55.519 up with it or I keep up with it, it's impossible 242 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.960 to know, really, right, a lot of these things without 243 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.360 a lot of exploration. Where we know, Look, there's a 244 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.879 certain amount of the budget that goes to hardware, there's 245 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.080 a certain amount of the budget that goes to, you know, 246 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.320 supporting the families, that goes to you know, making sure 247 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.440 our overseas bases are intact. This is what we have 248 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.440 to pay to keep you know, certain outposts and cooperative 249 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.039 training exercises going, which is another expense. 250 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:19.279 Right. 251 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.799 We don't necessarily know what's all of what's being allocated 252 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:27.159 specifically to a lot of things, you and I as outsiders, right, 253 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.720 But the people that work in the Pentagon, they in 254 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:34.320 certain departments do know. And here's the thing. A lot 255 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.799 of those people are being fired. There's a lot of turnover, 256 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.519 there's a lot of changes. I think it would be 257 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.639 unreasonable and impossible for anybody who's coming out, whether a 258 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:45.759 tech set or any of these people to make these 259 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:50.039 sweeping declarations and actually be informed about what it is 260 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.840 they're talking about. Now, maybe I'm wrong, Michael. I mean, 261 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.879 you could correct me on this, because I could easily 262 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:58.440 stand corrected. But it seems to me as though, just 263 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.840 like with the JFK thing, you've got people that are 264 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.080 not necessarily well informed about what's already been done, what 265 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:10.480 is ongoing, what has already been you know, say taking 266 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:14.440 off the table, Right, So how is it possible that 267 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:19.080 some of these sweeping, absolute declarations make any sense at 268 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.159 this time, or is it just me? 269 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.600 Now they just got in there. It's not even been 270 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:30.360 two full months, right. 271 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:34.600 I mean reasonable, no matter how you feel about this administration, right, 272 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:36.960 no matter how you feel about the people that were appointed, 273 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.440 the secretaries, the you know, deputy secretaries. I mean, you 274 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:43.720 got Cash Pattel and then the other guy at the FBI, 275 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.120 and people are complaining about him already, And I'm saying, 276 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.879 there's no way that these people could be even fully 277 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:54.960 prepared to address anything yet because they don't know what's 278 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.960 going on. Actually, they make these declarations that it was weaponized, 279 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.240 that it was this, that it was but do they 280 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.519 actually have the evidence in front of them? Have they 281 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.320 had the ability to examine it? I don't think it's 282 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.799 humanly possible to have done all that just yet. No 283 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.279 matter what your actual intent is, whether you're going in 284 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.320 there to you know, oh, they're going in there to 285 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:17.440 destroy it, they're going in there to make it great again, 286 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:20.120 they don't even know how to evaluate what they have 287 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.960 or don't have yet, Or maybe it's just me, am 288 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:23.360 I wrong? 289 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.519 Now? That's I think a reasonable Do you think. 290 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:30.320 That's a reasonable way to look at this, right. 291 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.480 I mean, but if we look at the Kennedy case, Yeah, 292 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.240 my impression is you tell me if I'm wrong. 293 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.240 But this is just mind pression, is that. 294 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:44.879 Maybe I don't know if they're going to release anything 295 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:49.559 new or not, right, whether they release a lot. I mean, 296 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.600 really they should just dump the files out and that'd 297 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.240 be done with it. But they're having these hearings, so 298 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:00.480 whether they whether they release one file or all you 299 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.120 know that's new, or all of them, all the ones 300 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.480 they can right, no matter what, my impression is, they're 301 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:12.039 going to have one or two days of hearings and 302 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:14.759 they're going to make social media clips out of that 303 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.200 and a couple of news bites and that'll be the 304 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.000 end of it. And they're going to probably say there's 305 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.480 two gunmen, this lady will say some stuff I don't 306 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:30.480 you know, and that's supposed to become a shopping shocking revelation. 307 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.799 I guess it will be how it's spun, and that'll 308 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:35.799 be the end of it. Well, that was what I think, 309 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:36.759 and that's it. I think. 310 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:37.919 That's huh. 311 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:40.159 You know why you think this, Mike, Because we saw 312 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.120 this already in twenty seventeen when they were supposed to 313 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:47.320 just finally allow the stuff from the ARB to be released. Right, 314 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.000 you remember what happened. You and I were in Dallas 315 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.039 in twenty seventeen while it was happening, and it started 316 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.919 happening before we went to Dallas. Remember it was like 317 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.679 they started releasing stuff ahead of the date and it 318 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:00.279 was coming out and it was a vail. Well, you 319 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.679 and I were surprised even, or at least I was. 320 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.119 Maybe you weren't, but I was surprised that the National 321 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.000 Archives even allowed this stuff to be accessible online. It 322 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.359 was like, right away we could download it. Holy crap, 323 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.279 that never happened before, right, It was kind of cool. 324 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:17.480 And then they said, well, we can't release it all, 325 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.440 and we're not going to release the majority of it. 326 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.599 And what went on here is that what happened the 327 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.400 news media grabbed a hold of these little fragmented pieces. 328 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:29.160 They at that time said look, there's two shooters, there's 329 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:32.400 an FBI report. And then you and I literally took 330 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.319 a look at the thing that was released that people 331 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:37.720 made a big deal out of, and then they brought 332 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.480 out who did they Wheelow Gerald Posner, The usual suspects 333 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:43.799 to come out and go nothing to see here. This 334 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.559 is all nonsense. And here's the sad part. Posner was 335 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.920 right because they had this fragmented half a report from 336 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.319 an FBI agent who heard a story, and you and 337 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.240 I talked about it. There's no explaining who the source was. 338 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:01.319 You remember this, the two shooter thing, right, you do 339 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:01.799 recall this. 340 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:03.599 I don't remember the two shooter thing. 341 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.119 Okay, well they did that talking about they did that 342 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.680 back then there was if you look back, you'll find it. 343 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:10.960 But you and I talked about it, and you could 344 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.480 probably hear the if you go back in the Ocelli archives, 345 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:16.720 it's probably still on the list. If not, I'll re 346 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:19.000 release it because there was a lot of stuff I 347 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:22.519 talked about regarding the document dump in twenty seventeen, and 348 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:24.279 we talked about it, and you and I went to 349 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:27.200 l Answer that year and I went on James Corbett 350 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.680 Show to talk about this. Anyway, the point is that 351 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.279 they turned around and they did this, you know, half 352 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.680 a hangout where there were these little fragmented pieces OGE. 353 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.480 We have to address it. And then, quite honestly, a 354 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.559 bunch of people behind the scenes, and I don't know 355 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:46.759 if you know this part myself included rallied people to 356 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:51.440 Bother CNN to go get Jefferson Morley to bring him on, 357 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.880 because that was not long after the whole Kavanaugh thing 358 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.119 was coming around and Kavanaugh turned around and shot down 359 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.759 the last part of Jeff Morley's case and said, no, 360 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:05.799 you're not getting the Joe and Edese files, right. That 361 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.039 was yeah, And that was the same guy you saw 362 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.000 crying about beer during his hearings. Just for everybody's notes. 363 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.559 But anyway, don't care about that and not looking to 364 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:17.640 re litigate it. I'm just saying reality is, we pestered 365 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:20.200 the hell out of CNN. I gave I sent out 366 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:24.119 emails with the phone number and everything. Bother CNN tell 367 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.240 them they need to get Jeff Morley on to have 368 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.200 another point of view, and not just Gerald Posner coming 369 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.680 out saying, well, you see, our society really wants a 370 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.519 great explanation because a loser like Lee Harvey Oswald should 371 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:39.880 have never been allowed to kill a great man like Kennedy, 372 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:42.160 even though I can tell you that I don't even 373 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.200 believe for a second that guy wrote his own book, 374 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.559 and if you know his plagiarism, you know record out 375 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:50.079 there in public, you can see why I might say it, 376 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:53.599 but anyway, put that all aside. They wheeled out positive 377 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.480 because Boogliosi was dead, and they wanted to wheel out 378 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.240 people that looked official, that were lawyers because Passe there's 379 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.440 a lawyer too, don't forget. But they wanted to roll 380 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.240 out legal people, just like every time now, whether it's 381 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.720 you know, the actor that died recently, or it's the 382 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:13.680 latest controversial shooting, who do they go get Michael Bodden 383 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:17.440 now all the time. Sometimes they used to contact cirah Weck, 384 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:21.039 but he's passed away. The point is they bring out 385 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:25.240 official people that are well known to defend the official 386 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:29.079 story every time a semblance of something comes out that's 387 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.119 slightly controversial. And what they had during twenty seventeen was 388 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:38.359 a couple of fragmented pieces of effectively useless material. Yeah, 389 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.599 there's an official FBI memo here stating that an FBI 390 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.880 agent was told a story by a witness. The witness 391 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.519 has never identified. They have no idea what kind of 392 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.000 person this was. It's simply a report from an FBI agent. 393 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:55.519 And the fact is that FBI agent got the story 394 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:59.720 from somebody that there was two shooters based on what 395 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.119 they witnessed allegedly either in the autopsy room or in 396 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:06.039 the plaza. And quite frankly, it wasn't even made clear 397 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:09.799 where this witness witnessed whatever they did, and so it 398 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.519 was this vague half a report, and the fact is 399 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.799 it was incomplete. So I pointed that out. And this 400 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.279 is one of the things where the media, of course, 401 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.000 Alex Jones went out with it. There's definitely been two shooters. 402 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.039 The government admits it now, by my tiny changerine. 403 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:27.359 See you think this is what the lady, the congress 404 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:28.559 lady was referring to. 405 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.680 Well, but the point is is that it's a very 406 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.039 similar story and maybe the same thing, yeah, or it 407 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:39.759 may be something different. But there's plenty of possibilities where 408 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:43.559 an FBI agent could have taken a report from anybody, 409 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.079 you know, who was either there or maybe heard something 410 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:51.880 or was connected to somebody, or there were lots of 411 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.440 phone calls. Lee Harvey Oswald was spotted alive the next 412 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:59.400 day at a bar, you know, all that stuff. Any 413 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:01.480 of that could come out now and they could say, look, 414 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:05.359 there's allegations that there was another shooter, there's allegations that 415 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:09.039 there was a conspiracy, there's allegations. They can take it 416 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:11.279 and spin it any which way they want, and Alex 417 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.960 Jones can scream, the government now admits conspiracy, but they 418 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:18.359 won't tell you that, And then CNN can roll out 419 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.079 somebody like Gerald Posner and have him come out and say, look, 420 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:24.200 this is much ado about nothing, and here we go again. 421 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.640 And you know, it's just that John F. Kennedy was 422 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:31.680 an extraordinary human being and people want a reasonable explanation 423 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:34.119 as to how a loser could have killed him. And 424 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.319 that's Gerald Poster in a nutshell. I mean, that's what 425 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.839 case closed is. Right. Anyway, my point about all this 426 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:44.400 isn't even the Kennedy assassination. My point is that once 427 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.839 again we will have people that are not familiar with 428 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:51.759 the material telling you what's in the material, right, and 429 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.799 even when they were preparing for, you know, allegedly another 430 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:59.079 release and everything else, Jeff Morley learned that the CIA 431 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:02.799 was giving crib notes to the major media. Anyhow, Okay, 432 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:06.160 come on New York Post, come on different news outlets. 433 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.279 Let's all sit down and the official CIA guy is 434 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.400 going to explain it to all your reporters, because, in 435 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.039 all fairness, your average reporter doesn't know what the hell's 436 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:20.680 in the files, what's already known, the background of the case, etc. Right, 437 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.920 So here we go again. This is the same thing 438 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.079 that's going on, is that people who are not well 439 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:31.119 informed about the particulars and the nuances are going to 440 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:35.000 do what They're going to make declarations and spin on 441 00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:38.519 behalf of the official story to make Trump look good. 442 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:42.119 Trump's people will do that, and the news media will 443 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:44.519 do what they need to do for their agendas. I mean, 444 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:47.200 let's be honest, right, I mean, isn't that what's going 445 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:51.759 on with the military, with the military spending, because people 446 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.319 throw out numbers and they'll turn around and flip a 447 00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:59.079 billion to a trillion and nobody cares, nobody notices because 448 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.680 it's not been relevant. These people just like the whole 449 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:05.079 Epstein file thing. Did you see that, by the way, 450 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.359 recently Kim Bondi and all that. 451 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:12.400 Well, what had what I experienced was a friend of mine, 452 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:17.279 someone I know, a friend of mine, was messaged me 453 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:22.799 saying that I'm not I'm not. You know, this Epstein 454 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:28.640 thing is something I never was. You know, I never 455 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.680 got into I didn't just research it or anything. 456 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:33.400 I know what it was. 457 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:35.960 It's dead and I'm just like, well, this is kind 458 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:40.119 of very strange. It was to care that he was 459 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:43.759 killed in that prison, so you died in the prison, 460 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:44.880 whatever happened. 461 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.160 You vaguely about the case, but didn't really know the 462 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:50.359 ins and outs of the details. You hadn't studied it 463 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:51.000 or followed it. 464 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:53.640 Well, I mean, I've listened to your show and some 465 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:56.799 of the guests you had on it, and I remember 466 00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:58.759 reading a couple of articles, you know, a couple of 467 00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:03.400 years ago, and my question was how did he? To myself, 468 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.240 what I was interested in wondering was how did he 469 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:11.680 get all this money? And it didn't really make sense 470 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.039 to me how he was basically a nobody, a school 471 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:21.640 teacher or something, and then overnight turned into you know, 472 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:27.960 this giant financier investment person for all these rich people. 473 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:32.079 It didn't make any sense on the face of it. 474 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:33.960 So well, he got in. 475 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.240 With the guy who had Lane Bryant and what was 476 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:42.119 yeah these secrets? Yeah? How Well, to my knowledge, Mike, 477 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:43.960 he was a hedge fund guy. And I don't know 478 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:45.920 how you get into being a hedge fund guy, but 479 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.240 he got into being a hedge fund guy at one point. 480 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:50.759 So he was like a money manager who you know 481 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:55.200 again lucked into some heavy clients and got in. You know, 482 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:58.079 I don't know how that world works. Quite frankly, you 483 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:02.039 would have more of a personal idea about how this works. 484 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:03.920 And the fact that you're saying it doesn't make sense 485 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.960 almost bothers me, because I would think you might know 486 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:09.839 how somebody might luck into a couple of you know, 487 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.880 high priced clients. Maybe I mean maybe you didn't have them, 488 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:15.880 but you might know how somebody ends up with, Like 489 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.319 I don't know some of Bill Gates's money to manage 490 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:20.759 or whatever, you know what I mean, Somebody's got to 491 00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.200 run that stuff. And it's not Bill Gates himself always, right, 492 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.880 So somebody's got or Bloomberg. Bloomberg's another guy, right, I mean, 493 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.960 he can't possibly manage all of his hundreds of millions 494 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:35.200 of dollars that are coming in constantly. He's got to 495 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:39.839 have people that do it right. So if somebody's a standout, 496 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.480 if they do really well, well, maybe they get entrusted 497 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.079 with more and more. I mean it's not just rock 498 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.880 stars who get built. I mean, Bernie Madoff didn't just 499 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.200 have a stable full of dumb rock stars and athletes 500 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.759 that didn't know how to handle their money, right, So 501 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:56.799 you end up with a high profile client who may 502 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.319 be built a business, but afterwards doesn't you know, quite 503 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.480 figure out how to invest or whatever, because they know 504 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.039 how to run their grocery chain or you know, like 505 00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:10.400 the Sam Walton's family right ever, after their family has 506 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.680 plenty of an inheritance there, but somebody had to manage 507 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.759 that money. And not every one of those people who 508 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:20.559 inherited some of that, you know, Walmart Fortune, knew what 509 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:22.839 to do with it. So they find somebody to manage 510 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.720 their money to make their investments. And Epstein was one 511 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.000 of these guys. I mean, that's what I understand. Maybe 512 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:33.240 maybe there's more to it, and people have lots of allegations, 513 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:36.799 you know, like as in maybe he was an intelligence 514 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:38.960 asset and all that. And I'm not saying that I 515 00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.200 know exactly what to and what not to believe. They're 516 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:46.759 I'm not an Epstein expert, you know, but it just 517 00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:50.279 seems to me like if you get in certain ways. 518 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:54.680 Oh yeah, I just was like the the Epstein you 519 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:56.000 know meme or whatever. 520 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.400 Yeah, in the popular imagination. 521 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.279 This friend of mine a few weeks ago told me 522 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:04.799 all that scene files are going to. 523 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.880 Come out right, well, because that was an announcement being 524 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.200 made by the Trump administration for a while and it 525 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:13.960 was a popularly shared thing. He's finally see. That's the 526 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:16.640 thing is, they got this idea that Trump is going 527 00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.920 to make everything transparent in the government. He's going to 528 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.559 reveal all of the elitists that he's been doing. 529 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.720 Battle right right, Well, yeah, exactly. 530 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.359 And a friend of mine was saying, well, he hopes 531 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:33.960 this will finally expose Bill Clinton, right, and he and 532 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:39.880 I said, I replied to it about the argument. 533 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.880 I just replied to it, and I said, well. 534 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:48.240 I don't I said something like, it's possible that he 535 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:50.640 had a connection with an intelligence agency. 536 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:57.480 I don't know that. But the Maxwell lady. 537 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.200 Right, Galler Maxwell, who is in prison, Yeah. 538 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:06.240 Her father was connected with it with the Massad because 539 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.519 he was a heavy supporter of Israel. 540 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.319 And also British intelligence, right right. 541 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.200 But I just replied to him and said, it's possible 542 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:21.359 he was connected to Massad, you know. And I said, 543 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.319 if that's true, it will never come out. And the 544 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.279 person replied to me and he said, this is what 545 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:33.200 he said to me. He doesn't know what Massade is, okay, 546 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.359 but he just wants the pedophiles exposed. 547 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:40.079 And Bill Clinton exposed and he hs Bill Clinton, well. 548 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.839 Right, and that was that's the last time. I didn't 549 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.240 have any more conversation with it. And then a few 550 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:51.319 days after this conversation, the file was given to some 551 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.680 far right so called the file MAGA influencers, and then 552 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.200 they were disappointed in the file and said, there's nothing 553 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:00.640 new in it. 554 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.359 So the whole thing sounds like it's a big dud. 555 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.559 There is nothing new in it. I examined what I 556 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.759 could examine, and what I see is, you know, some 557 00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.359 more redacted pages with a lot of names missing. Uh, 558 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:18.279 you know again Nick Bryant, who had released basically part 559 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.359 of his contact book from before Epstein's you know client 560 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.240 list they keep calling it. But either way, a bunch 561 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.039 of contacts had already been released. It's a big nothing. 562 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.160 Well, and that's trouble in for a lot of reasons. 563 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.039 But does that mean that's what's gonna happen the Kennedy. 564 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.559 Thing, Well, I don't know. See, this is the thing 565 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.759 is when you have these pronouncements again. You know, Trump 566 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.160 makes these grand pronouncements in his administration. His guys make 567 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.480 these grand pronouncements, but they're not well informed. They don't 568 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.559 even know what it is they're saying is great in 569 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.960 coming out. That's why I said, when they're saying to us, oh, well, 570 00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:57.279 suddenly we have three thousand new FBI pages, How do 571 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:01.039 they know what's new? They don't. So And I'm not 572 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.200 even saying this as somebody who's like, you know, oh, 573 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.440 you're trying to tear down Trump, because some people have 574 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.160 broken it down to this US and them teams mentality 575 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.720 where it's either you're on team Trump or you're not right. 576 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:16.839 And if you're on team Trump, he's doing you know, 577 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.880 God's God's work, you know what I mean, Like literally 578 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.720 and even said that during this you know, during this 579 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:28.519 joint addressed to Congress that he survived the assassination attempt. 580 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.799 When he was addressing that and the family of that 581 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:34.920 firefighter who was shot to death at in Pennsylvania, right, 582 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.200 he had the family there and he said, God had 583 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.039 me survive so I could come and make sure to 584 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.000 make America great again. You know, it reminds me of 585 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:46.519 the Blues Brothers. I'm on a mission from God. You 586 00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.559 know remember that movie. Oh yeah, it's a good movie. 587 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.279 But the thing is you're either on team Trump or 588 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.160 you're not right. So of course he's going to expose 589 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.960 all the pedophiles. They've been saying this, whether it's Q 590 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.279 or any of the these other groups for years, that 591 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.079 he's gonna bust everybody because he's not one of them, 592 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.799 you see. And if you point out that he knew Epstein, 593 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.119 which he did, and if you point out that he's 594 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:14.680 photographed with Epstein and they were at parties together and 595 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.079 stuff like that, they got one hundred different excuses for it. 596 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.720 Because that's true. That's not conspiracy theory. By the way, 597 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.200 if you remember that guy I had on the show, 598 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.599 Sam Spadino, the comedian, you know, was holding up pictures 599 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.400 of Trump and Epstein at his rally, and that's why 600 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.319 the Secret Service dragged him out and kind of beat 601 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:33.960 him up a little. 602 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:35.000 You know. 603 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:36.960 Do you remember that guy on my show? 604 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.359 Yeah, I didn't know that happened to him. 605 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.000 Yeah, that was the guy who you know the second 606 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:46.160 time that they went and dragged him out, he was going, dad, Dad, Dad. 607 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.480 I don't know why he was doing that. I still 608 00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:50.799 couldn't get a clear explanation, but they were dragging him 609 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.240 out of there and he was doing that. He was 610 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.759 holding up a picture of Trump standing next to Epstein 611 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.880 at a party. You've seen those pictures, right, yeah, sure 612 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.240 in the videos like the video where they're actually loggling 613 00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.279 girls and okay, well, but the thing is, you say, then, well, 614 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.319 Trump went to the island, he got on the jet. 615 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.799 Oh he was only on there twice, and Bill Clinton 616 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.599 was there eighty seven times, you know whatever. And the 617 00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:18.200 thing is, there's also been a falsified records put out 618 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.359 there that people shared. They said it was a wat. 619 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:25.839 Well, whatever you think of Clinton, there's no history of 620 00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.440 him molesting young girls. 621 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.319 Not young girls, No, it's usually grown women. But people 622 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.759 would say, this is the history, this is the proof. 623 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.400 You know, why was he going there? Why was various 624 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.240 media figures going there? Why were you know, all these 625 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:45.720 famous actors, the guy who ran house to go, Kevin Spacey, right, 626 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.920 who also got himself in trouble with the whole thing, 627 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.319 and then all those charges were dropped against him if 628 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.240 you remember he was supposedly, you know, trying to pick 629 00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:59.279 up underage guys, right, Kevin Spacey or why is it 630 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:01.720 that it is a case Kirk was on the plane. 631 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.599 Epstein was grabbing people from the media influential politicians of 632 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.400 all kinds and bringing them on his private jet to 633 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:14.320 you know, Epstein Island, his private island. Some people call 634 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.280 it Lolita Island. Some people call it rape Island. Right, 635 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.800 It's a whole dirty subject, and they've been saying for 636 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.719 years Trump's gonna expose it. Trump's gonna expose it. And 637 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.760 Trump has even made weird references to it. Right, I 638 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:31.199 don't believe that guy was committed suicide all of a sudden, 639 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.599 the cameras didn't work. He even said that during one 640 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.840 of his rallies. Right, So, I mean, I'm just saying 641 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.400 it's a whole weird thing. But at the end of 642 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.039 the day, does Trump or any of his people really 643 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.840 know what they should be looking for, whether it's in 644 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.760 the Epstein files, the Kennedy files, or at the military, 645 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.199 you know, at the Pentagon, do they know? I mean, 646 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.800 do you trust? I mean, I don't know. I never 647 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.880 really watched Pete Hegsett's analysis of the military on TV, 648 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.519 but it seems to me as though, you know, he 649 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.800 was right wing, not well informed. So if he's going 650 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.440 in there with that, and he's already mister expert because 651 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.280 he served in the military and all that, my question 652 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.840 is does he even know what he's looking for? You know, 653 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.440 which is also my question with Elon Musk. Does he 654 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.960 know what he's looking for when he's trying to find waste? 655 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.840 Does he know what waste would actually look like? Does 656 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:23.159 he know? 657 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:24.679 Right? 658 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:26.880 I mean, are these not fair questions? 659 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:27.119 Well? 660 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.199 They're not if you're if you're not on Team Trump, 661 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:32.840 and even if you are, I don't think you're allowed 662 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:35.880 to ask these questions. You know, Mike, you're either with 663 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.039 them or against him. You know, it's like the Sith lords. 664 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:40.960 You are either with us or you are against us, 665 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.400 Young Skywalker, you know what I mean? That's all there is. 666 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:46.320 Would they speaking absolutely well? 667 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.920 I wonder, like the way they did the Epstein did, 668 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.400 if it's just like these are like distractions, Well, of course, 669 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.199 it doesn't even matter if it flops or doesn't flop. 670 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.440 It doesn't even matter. You just go onto the next one. 671 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.159 But that's the thing, is that with the rate at 672 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.960 which these things are being presented, and the clash with 673 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.960 you know, you know, the guy from Ukraine, and with 674 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.760 the tariffs from Canada, and with the you know, the 675 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.079 different pronouncements about we're gonna do this, and now I've 676 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.280 made English our official language. All these things keep happening, 677 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.239 and they're happening so quickly. It reminds me of what 678 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.639 Steve Bannon said many times, right, which is, remember this 679 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.960 whole thing, We're gonna flood the zone with just constant 680 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.159 barrages of things going on so that the media can't 681 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.480 catch up and our opponents can't catch up to what's happening. 682 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:42.360 Now. 683 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:44.800 The thing is, it's just a matter of all this 684 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.800 crap is going on, and nobody is asking the real question, 685 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.960 which is with all of this chaos, with all these pronouncements, 686 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.960 with all these alleged investigations, plus don't forget a lot 687 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.119 of people probably have the mass deportations are supposed to 688 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:05.280 to be happening. They started to happen, right, and international 689 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.079 deals are being struck. China got ten percent of a tariff. 690 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.280 Well now Canada and Mexico got twenty five percent tariffs 691 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.119 going on. We're gonna feel the effects of that. Eventually. 692 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.039 The stock market took a piss. I mean, I don't 693 00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.000 even know what to say about where the market went, 694 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:24.199 which I was gonna ask you about, Okay, but nonetheless, 695 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.079 we don't have time to breathe or catch up on 696 00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:30.360 this in my mind, and obviously that's being done intentionally. 697 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.960 But the real question is, if all of this is 698 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.840 going on on the surface and a lot of it 699 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:38.880 is amounting to nothing, what is the real thing that's 700 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.880 actually happening going on? I mean, are we now striking 701 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.320 a real estate deal in Gaza? Is that going to 702 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.519 be the thing? Also, he's dead serious about we're gonna 703 00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.639 take Greenland one way or another. So I don't know 704 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:53.519 if you know that, but in the address he said 705 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:55.679 that as well. Did you catch that part? 706 00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:57.719 Now? 707 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.400 I turned it off after twenty minutes He's talking about 708 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:02.800 Greenland and yet yeah. 709 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.480 Fair enough is see, this is what I'm saying, is 710 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.159 that there's so much going on, okay, you know, and 711 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.800 he's like in the Democrats are standing there against us, 712 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.480 but you know what, they need to get with the 713 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.719 program and make make America great again. I'm going to 714 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.679 revoke the Chips Act, and of course I want to 715 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.599 back police, but I pardoned the January sixth people because 716 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.639 that was an atrocity. Yeah, let me just go to 717 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.000 the highlight here. I know I have a highlight kind 718 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.559 of cueued up. No, I don't have the audio, but 719 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:33.679 I have the I have the situation here where he's 720 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.079 talking about it. Yeah, the Golden Dome, and I mean, 721 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.119 these are things he just did in this hour and 722 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.480 forty minutes, which is one of the longest presidential Well 723 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:43.119 you got. 724 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.360 To really be Yeah, it'sn't sit there for an hour 725 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.440 and forty minutes. Listen to this an any politician. Yeah, 726 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:52.280 yet to be almost out of your mind. 727 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.920 Yeah, tell me about it. Why do you think I'm 728 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:57.000 a little crazy lately? 729 00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:57.719 Trump? 730 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.480 Trump on Greenland listen quote. 731 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:03.199 I don't care hear the about that's a long time 732 00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:04.480 do hear anyone talking. 733 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.519 But Mike, here's the thing. Look at you blowing it 734 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.239 off after because you're being barraged with so much crap. 735 00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.400 But let me give you a couple of quotes. Trump 736 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.480 on Greenland. Quote, We're going to get it one way 737 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.599 or the other. Okay. I also have a message tonight 738 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.760 for the incredible people of Greenland. This isn't quotes, mister 739 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.559 Trump said, quote, we strongly support your right to determine 740 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.440 your own future, and if you choose, we welcome you 741 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.159 into the United States of America. Mister Trump said the 742 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.960 territory is important to US national security and that his 743 00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:42.639 administration is quote working with everybody involved to try and 744 00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.599 get it end quote quote. And I think we're going 745 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:49.719 to get it one way or the other end quote. 746 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.239 Mister Trump said, We're going to get it. This is 747 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:56.079 in quotes again. We will keep you safe, we will 748 00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.760 make you rich, and together we will take Greenland to 749 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:04.159 high heights like you have never thought possible before. It's 750 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:08.199 a very small population, but very very large piece of 751 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.320 land and very very important for military security. End quote. 752 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.559 Literally these are quotes from the man. I mean, I'm 753 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:17.639 not making this stuff bup. 754 00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:23.199 Well, Joe, one thing that's been running in my mind, 755 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:28.519 and you're going to talk to Larry Yes about Ukraine. 756 00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:31.679 But one thing that's in my mind. 757 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:37.360 And I plan on thinking about this, Uh yeah, taking 758 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.360 time to think about this. But I know a year 759 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:44.440 ago in the summer, I sent you some emails said 760 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:48.239 some of the fact it's all over you know now. 761 00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:54.280 When I was writing that, I was referring to sort 762 00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.639 of the notion of rational debate or discourse United States 763 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.199 and in the media, which is what you've been basically 764 00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:03.920 talking about. 765 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.159 But now, huh, yes, that's what I've been saying for 766 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:11.000 a while now, Is that that I. 767 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.199 Was referring to in the summer and emotionally thinking, well, 768 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.639 what is the point of me or anyone you talking. 769 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:20.880 About this stuff on that. 770 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.039 You know, when we're in the media, we're in business 771 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:29.159 of former media, when you know the culture we have 772 00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:33.360 is going down the toilet like this. But now since 773 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.639 Trump's been in office, you've heard of this Greenland thing, 774 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.679 and then you know, the tensions have increased. 775 00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:43.079 It's pretty wild. 776 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:47.079 Do you think about the tensions Geopolitical tensions have been 777 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:53.239 increased between the United States, Canada, Mexico with the terriffs, 778 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:54.679 now Greenland. 779 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.920 Last night again is Europe? 780 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:04.119 You know, advanced when to Europe and basically was a 781 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:09.119 musk went over to Europe first in campaign for the 782 00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:15.000 extreme far right in Germany, whose roots are with the 783 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:16.719 head of the party. 784 00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:19.639 Her father was. 785 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:24.800 A Nazi judge, and he's over there campaigning for them. 786 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:28.360 And Vance has weird idea. Wait a second, Vance has 787 00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.679 a lot of weird ideas. Anyway, he has this bizarre 788 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.719 impression in his mind that the First Amendment applies to 789 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.760 people across the planet, because he's sitting there saying, you know, 790 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.960 I don't like how they treat free speech. Count well, 791 00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.320 that's very weird. 792 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:47.280 Look, what he's really talking about is what I was 793 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.920 mentioning about this AI company, right, he's those tech guys 794 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:56.960 that were supporting Trump that created vance Dance. 795 00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.880 Is himself is the creation of Peter Thiel. 796 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.480 He's a product of the technocracy. Mike, this isn't democratical 797 00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:05.159 what you was talking about free speech. 798 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.119 He's not talking about the First Amendment that we thought 799 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.639 of as children, uh, you know, in government school. He's 800 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.960 talking about the rights of the technology companies to not 801 00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:24.719 be treated as a newspaper or a publication. No, I know, 802 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.440 but that's that's what he's really talking about. They're right, 803 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:33.800 and also the rights to collect everyone's data, privacy to yeah, 804 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:39.440 not not to have Europeans protect the privacy of your 805 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:40.719 of their citizens. 806 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.360 But that to him, that's eliminating free speech. 807 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.800 This is all convolution. But what I'm trying to say 808 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:48.920 to you is that the entire discussion is so convoluted 809 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.880 at this point that people somehow think that they have 810 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.400 freedom of speech in other places, regardless of whether it's. 811 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:56.880 On rine or what. 812 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.719 The point I was wanted to make with you is that, 813 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.000 as I said last year, I staid you, it's all over. Well, 814 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:11.199 now I haven't. I'm trying to understand this. 815 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:12.639 This is all happening in real time. 816 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:18.880 You know that what also may be over certainly changing 817 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:24.800 as America's role in the world and in and I 818 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:29.719 had you know, in a sense it may be over 819 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.440 to not not in the sense that the United States 820 00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:34.079 is about to collapse, but that. 821 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.239 You know, I've read a lot of years ago. I 822 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:39.440 read a lot about the. 823 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.880 Founding fathers, and you know, I've read the writings and 824 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:47.079 so forth, the Federalist papers, Jefferson's writings, and you know 825 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:53.519 this stuff. And the idea that the United States would 826 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.239 be that the founders are working for a quote more 827 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:03.000 perfect union, Okay, okay, and in the greater Welfare is 828 00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:07.360 a phrase in the Constitution. Well, the idea of that 829 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:13.960 all suggests that you're not perfect, but you're working towards it. 830 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:14.960 Right. 831 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.440 What Trump is doing is clearly he wants a more 832 00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:23.039 powerful country. 833 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.760 That would he always talk about. 834 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:31.760 And that's that's a that's much different from thinking that 835 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.239 you're working towards a very perfect union. And and you know, 836 00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.760 the total abdication of you know, the post war orders. 837 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:47.239 What has happened the past couple of weeks, you know, 838 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.760 and we've been critics of it, but what's he going 839 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.719 to replace it with? Nothing but pure power politics? 840 00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:04.119 It looks like indeed, but I don't it's just. 841 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:06.320 I don't know. 842 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.239 I thought I had two is you have. 843 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.400 I've read a lot of Roman history, and you know 844 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:17.519 Rome became an empire too, And I joked, I think 845 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:18.599 I sent you this email. 846 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.880 I know I sent it to J. P. STILLI I 847 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:22.119 think it sent to both of y'all. 848 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.639 When they chose vance Is to be the vice president, 849 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.719 I made a joke that I don't remember the name 850 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:35.199 of it, but there was a Roman emperor that they 851 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:39.199 had one of the Roman empires died and there were 852 00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.800 two emperors, two people that want to be the emperor, 853 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:49.360 and they basically bid on it with the Practorian guard, 854 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.280 and the highest bidder got the position. 855 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:55.320 And I was made a joke that, well, that's the 856 00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:56.920 point we are now when JD. 857 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:01.280 Vance was chosen to be vice president, because it looked 858 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.639 like it was a purchase done by some of these 859 00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:10.679 technology people. But one thing about the Roman history is 860 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:17.679 that there is a rich literature the culture out of 861 00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.880 the Roman Republic in the Roman Empire two and spanned 862 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:24.639 almost a thousand years. 863 00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.440 But at some. 864 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:33.679 Point five hundred years of the Roman Empire, there is 865 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.079 really no literature that we really have from it. It's 866 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:46.679 just fragments. And I think it's because it just wasn't 867 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:53.599 worth preserving. The culture just became junk or whatever. 868 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:54.519 And I. 869 00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:58.719 Suspect that's where we're at now with the United the 870 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.320 history of the United States. 871 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.199 Now absolutely true. What has happened here is that we 872 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.880 have the collapse of what was an American empire that 873 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:13.039 was able to exert its influence all across the planet, 874 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:15.119 and now. 875 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.920 With something of a moral foundation, right, you know, right, 876 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.039 there was this was real, some of it wasn't, but 877 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.400 there was some basis to it. 878 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:24.519 Now there's none. 879 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:29.000 Right, there was some basic concept of you know, the 880 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.400 greater good. We were at one time called the world's policemen, 881 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:37.280 were the arbiters of encouraging other people to seek out 882 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:42.199 their own freedom, et cetera, et cetera. And yeah, that's done. 883 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.599 And now we have the dumbed down culture. And some 884 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.280 people would say that the dumbing down of America. You 885 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:50.760 remember that old phrase from the conservatives, right, Oh sure, yeah, 886 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.559 very popular phrase and with good reason, because it was 887 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:59.280 happening in real time. Okay, I'm sorry, but it just 888 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.159 was happening in real time. We were looking at people, 889 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.760 you know, losing their ability to have anything but cognitive 890 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.960 dissonance about their concepts. All we have is people going, 891 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.000 you know what, I root for this color, I root 892 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:18.280 for this party. I believe that anything that is against 893 00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:23.639 us is evil, and anything that is against us is 894 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.639 obviously communist, foreign et cetera. And all there is is 895 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:33.920 xenophobia and the idea that we have moral superiority, even 896 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.480 when morality is not part of the play. Again, the 897 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.599 people that are in control, what do you have? You 898 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.920 have a cacistocracy where they are some of the worst 899 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.280 people that have been in control and continue to be 900 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:45.960 in control. 901 00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.199 Well maybe, you know, not everyone's good to agree with 902 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:51.880 what you just said or what I was saying. 903 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:56.079 No, And but to those but the majority, it's wrong. 904 00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:01.000 Maybe that we're being too pessimistic or wrong. I just say, well, 905 00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:05.199 you could just go and buy a Milania Trump theme coin. 906 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:08.280 Yeah, no, do it, do it up. But that's where 907 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.119 we're at is, Yeah, buy your coins, have your you know, cryptocurrency, 908 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.960 do your thing, root for your team, And that's the 909 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.800 thing these guys don't just think that, you know, we're wrong. 910 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.679 They figure that everything that's going on there is right. 911 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.159 That's right. We should tell Canada where the hell to go, 912 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.679 that's right. We can own Greenland, who cares, you know what, 913 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.840 We have military, we don't need to do this. We 914 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.320 need to support Israel because they deserve it, and we 915 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.360 can make a really great real estate deal in Israel 916 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:42.280 and this is fine to them. And you know what, 917 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.440 screw that British guy. You can tell them where to 918 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.480 go because we're America. How dare you even say anything 919 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.760 to Trump, like correct them about whether it was twenty 920 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.360 fourteen or twenty fifteen when CRIMEA was taken. You know, hey, 921 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.960 screw that. He's right. And that's the thing. Mit is right, 922 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.199 and Trump is right, and that's the thing, and the 923 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:05.800 majority just agree with that, and anything other is bad. 924 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:09.639 And I gotta tell you this is what I basically 925 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.719 was complaining about for a long time, is that that 926 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.199 we're going to get to this point. And people said, 927 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:18.159 you're being ridiculous, just like you know, this Greenland thing. 928 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.000 The reason why I pointed it out is because it 929 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.760 was a joke, right, remember Mike, Oh, come on, he's kidding. 930 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:28.679 He's going to make Canada the fifty first state. He's kidding. No, 931 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:33.880 he's serious. And this is where we're at. People think 932 00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:38.599 that those decrees, those executive orders are like kingly decrees. 933 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:41.559 They think that that's the way it works. Whether it 934 00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:45.320 does or doesn't we could argue about. But the truth is, 935 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.719 we know that they're supposed to pass laws, they're supposed 936 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.519 to be money allocated by Congress, and whether they run 937 00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:52.119 a rubber stamp it or not, they have to at 938 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.199 least go through the process of rubber stamping it. But 939 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.000 not according to these people. He said it, he's the boss. 940 00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.519 That's it. That's the way they think our government works 941 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.280 because they have no idea about the framework that was there. 942 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.159 They have no idea about you know, and it's all good. 943 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.119 You don't need people that are informed. They can do 944 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:12.800 what they want and they'll drop stuff. And I guarantee 945 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.519 you there are people that think those Epstein files were great, 946 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.599 but you know a whole lot of people who actually 947 00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:21.440 read them, that didn't just retweet and say, hey, we 948 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.519 want again. The people that actually read this stuff go, 949 00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:27.400 wait a minute, something's missing you and I reading the 950 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.320 JFK files like I've been saying for the past couple 951 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.760 of weeks on my show, I got people coming to 952 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.400 me that are Trump supporters, saying, aren't you happy now 953 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:40.519 he released all the JFK stuff. They think it was 954 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.079 done the moment he put pen to paper and signed 955 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:47.480 his name and did that signing ceremony. Look it's done. 956 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.320 You see what I'm saying here? Yeah, this is where 957 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:54.360 we're at. Now. Could we do a standout thing? Could 958 00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:57.639 we be unique in this time of interesting times? I 959 00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:01.960 think we could, Mike, we could do something different, and 960 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.480 we could try and inform people who want to be informed. 961 00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:07.599 But we got to recognize that that's not a big 962 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:09.960 audience at the moment. Which, by the way, what do 963 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.840 you think about the twists and turns in the stock market? 964 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:14.800 Just before we go, because I got to get to Larry, 965 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.840 But I mean, truthfully, what do you think about where 966 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.719 that's at and where our economy is heading just this year? 967 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.360 Where do you think we're going to land on all this? 968 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:24.760 And oh, by the way, he said he was going 969 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.239 to get the egg. He spent time at the address 970 00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.000 talking about the egg prices, how they're going to fix that. 971 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:32.880 But don't worry, We inherited a big disaster from Biden. 972 00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.360 It's going to take a little effort, but don't worry. 973 00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.519 He's going to fix all of that too. But anyway, 974 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:40.840 any any thoughts on them? 975 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:44.679 Oh, I think this is a call before the storm 976 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.599 and the stock market went up twenty two years in 977 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:47.960 a row. 978 00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:48.599 Yep. 979 00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.119 I don't think it's It's just I don't think it's 980 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.920 going to do much this year one way or the other. 981 00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:54.639 I think it's just going up and down. 982 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.079 So we're not due for a massive correction. 983 00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.559 We're just due for I hope, I hope. I mean, 984 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:01.239 if i'm that's what's gonna happen. 985 00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.519 But I'm thinking this is gonna have its ups and 986 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:08.719 downs but basically go nowhere but eventually go splat. 987 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:11.760 So we're gonna have choppy seas for this. 988 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.800 Year, that's what I think. 989 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.960 But it's not really gonna crash, and it's not really 990 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.480 gonna climb. It's just gonna dip and bounce and dip 991 00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:19.719 and bounce. That's what it is. 992 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.599 Hey, I'm just curious. 993 00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.920 Yeah, but see, but there you go. And that's what 994 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.559 we have is a lot of noise and I can't 995 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.440 figure out which dog is being wagged or if there 996 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.159 are you know how many tails the dog has, you 997 00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:35.760 know the old adage about wagging the dog instead of 998 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.719 right where they would distract you with something else, so 999 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.280 you ignored a war. That's the only thing I'm actually 1000 00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.840 concerned with is if we're actually going to step into 1001 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.440 something here where there will indeed be a war, if 1002 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:51.760 you notice, during that White House thing, and this is 1003 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.880 what I'll close on, because it's gonna bridge into Larry. 1004 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.000 During that White House thing, Zelenski tried to say to 1005 00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:02.159 him and imperfect English, which of course you know, no 1006 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:05.679 patience for that. It's not the guy's first language. And 1007 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.199 after all, he was, you know, a reality show TV 1008 00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:11.559 guy was playing the piano with his penis not long ago, Zolensky, 1009 00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:15.760 that's true story. But the point is that that guy 1010 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:17.719 who was sitting there and is that war in his 1011 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.599 own country is trying to tell him that, look, I 1012 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.679 know you think you got oceans protecting you, mister president, 1013 00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:28.599 but eventually this stuff, whatever goes on over in Europe 1014 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:30.719 that you think is not going to affect you directly, 1015 00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:35.199 will eventually have influence over things that do affect you here. 1016 00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:38.159 And that was one of the greatest things where you know, 1017 00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.440 Trump was very mad and Dvance was very mad and 1018 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.079 everybody got angry. How dare you disrespect us? When he 1019 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.760 was trying to say that eventually what goes on in 1020 00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:51.360 Europe is going to affect you here. Whether you have 1021 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.119 a big ocean and you know there isn't planes directly 1022 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.760 flying over your head right now, eventually this will affect you. 1023 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:00.760 You have no right to tell us how we're gonna feel, 1024 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:03.159 because he said you'll feel the effect. You have no 1025 00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.239 right to tell us how we feel in America. We 1026 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.320 made you into a tough guy, that whole thing. I'm 1027 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.519 sure you saw it right. So the point is that 1028 00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:15.519 I think that's relevant. And all Zelensky was trying to 1029 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.599 say is that, you know what, the world is a 1030 00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:20.320 little smaller than it used to be, and indeed an 1031 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.519 ocean could logistically protect you from a lot of things. 1032 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:28.840 But eventually the destruction that is you know had in 1033 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:33.119 Europe does begin to affect the United States. Unless you 1034 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:38.000 think you're a complete island onto your own, which, regardless 1035 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.719 of what people think, I don't believe we are capable 1036 00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:43.199 of being a complete island on our own. Now other 1037 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.280 people think we are we have our own guess we 1038 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:46.800 have our own this, We have our own that we 1039 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.679 don't need anything else. But that being the case, why 1040 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:51.960 do we need the fifty first state of Canada? And 1041 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.840 why is it that we need Greenland so bad? Just asking? 1042 00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.880 You know, I don't know where all this is going, Mike. 1043 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.800 That's the other thing. I don't know what the trajectory is. 1044 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:05.480 I'm not sure about where our war footing is going 1045 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:08.360 to be a year from now, and I don't know 1046 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:11.719 if you have any ideas, but Ukraine may play a 1047 00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:13.519 role in that, And I guess we're going to talk 1048 00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:15.280 to Larry Hancock about it coming up. 1049 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.320 Yeah, I'm looking forward to hear me too. 1050 00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.800 So anyway, Mike Wallstreet Window dot com. People can still 1051 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:26.320 sign up for their emails over there. But also I 1052 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:28.559 urge you to get the book The War State. It 1053 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.400 is relevant and might get more relevant. In fact, you 1054 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:35.320 might have to write an update on it coming up soon, okay, 1055 00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:37.960 because it's going to have to go beyond the twentieth century. 1056 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.920 We're now a quarter century into this one, and boy 1057 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:44.639 is it getting interesting. But also why the Vietnam War? 1058 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.119 And hopefully we'll see another volume of that because that 1059 00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.559 was planned as a three volume set. I don't know 1060 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.440 if you're going to be writing more on that or 1061 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.320 if you're going to have other things to write about, 1062 00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:56.119 but I can't wait to see it because your writing 1063 00:57:56.159 --> 00:58:00.519 style makes it very relatable, digestible, and teaching you about 1064 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.079 a lot of sophisticated parts of history that might be 1065 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:07.639 ignored by a lot of other authors. So, Mike, anything 1066 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.039 you want to say in closing, I just again endorse 1067 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:13.039 your books. And you can see him on the sidebardochelly 1068 00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:14.800 dot com. And if you don't own it, you should 1069 00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:16.719 own it. And I'll tell you what. If you already 1070 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:18.840 own it, get it as a gift for somebody else, 1071 00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.880 because you know Mother's Day coming up, and I don't 1072 00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.079 care the summers. Kids need to read these books if 1073 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.960 they're interested in history at all, especially American history. And 1074 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:30.679 Mike makes a lot. 1075 00:58:30.519 --> 00:59:13.920 Of the war State by Michael Swanson, explains the great 1076 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.280 national transformation that took place, and put the Kennedy presidency 1077 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.400 in the context of the times, and reveals never before 1078 00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:24.440 published information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would 1079 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:26.880 not have been assassinated if he had been president two 1080 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:30.599 hundred years ago. His assassination took place in the context 1081 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.800 of the Cold War and the rise of the national 1082 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:36.159 security state. Before World War II, the United States was 1083 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:39.320 a continental republic. In the decade that followed, it became 1084 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:43.239 an imperial superpower. Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only 1085 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:45.920 wanted to invade Cuba, but knew that there were short 1086 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.000 range missiles on the island arn't with nuclear warheads that 1087 00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.800 they could not destroy because they were on mobile launchers. 1088 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:54.599 Their invasion could have led to a Third World War, 1089 00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.920 and they wanted to go to war anyway. The War 1090 00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:01.320 State by Michael Swanson revealed why, and we'll show you 1091 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.519 what President Kennedy was up against. For more information, The 1092 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:08.159 War State dot com, oh Chili dot Com. 1093 01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:12.320 In Denial The Secret Wars with air Strikes and Tanks 1094 01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:17.440 by Larryhancock. Secret wars became a staple of US covert 1095 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.960 operations and are still happening today. Larryhancock's book In Denial 1096 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.320 rips the cover off many of them, using new files. 1097 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:26.800 It exposes things about. 1098 01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:28.719 The Bay of Pigs that no one has ever written 1099 01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.960 about before. It shows why it really failed and why 1100 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:34.960 the United States did not earn from it. It also 1101 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.519 shows why other countries today are doing secret operations with 1102 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:41.400 more success. This is the book that puts what some 1103 01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:43.960 want to deny into the light. 1104 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:49.480 In Denial secret wars with air strikes and tanks Larryhancock. 1105 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:54.360 For more information, go to Larry Hyphen Handcock dot com. 1106 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:57.480 Pick up your copy of In Denial at Amazon dot 1107 01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:58.960 com in digital or. 1108 01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.400 Physical force through conversation. 1109 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:04.119 Yo, yo, this Doug Campbell, host of the Dallas Action 1110 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.960 podcast presented by Wall Street Window, and you are listening 1111 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:12.480 to the o'chill effect revelation through conversation. 1112 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:29.840 Hey, hey, we are Hey, Hey we go hey we 1113 01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:36.760 hey hey. 1114 01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.599 Go ahead call it the truth about the JFA assassination. 1115 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:42.679 Right, well, what do you want to know? Dy Baker's 1116 01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:46.880 wild claim Oswald girlfriends you knew Ruby and Barry handswer weapons. 1117 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.239 Really I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. 1118 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:50.719 It doesn't make me a wagon. 1119 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:54.559 But okay, And trying to prevent the murder of John. 1120 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:55.840 Kennedy come on now, has a. 1121 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:58.760 Real effort on the day assassination claim. 1122 01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:03.000 Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her 1123 01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.920 own words. You'll get the results for a digital copy 1124 01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:09.440 of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words 1125 01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.320 and the known evidence in the case to get at 1126 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:16.199 well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judithbary 1127 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:19.800 Baker in her own words from the author himself, signed 1128 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.599 if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at k 1129 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:26.400 I A S J F K at aol dot com. 1130 01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:29.719 It's a fun book and it actually dissects the many, 1131 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:33.880 many fantastic claims Judith ary Baker in her own words. 1132 01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:36.119 Thank you for all the great information. 1133 01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.760 Episode of the Yes. 1134 01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.079 Wordy Honey Today? 1135 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:29.039 Do you like history? Real history that you were never 1136 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:33.559 taught in schools? Why the Vietnam War Nuclear Bombs in 1137 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:37.719 nation Building in Southeast Asia by author Mike Swanson with 1138 01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:42.239 new documentation never seen before that'll open your eyes to 1139 01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.840 events that led up to this. Why the Vietnam War 1140 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:50.840 Nuclear Bombs in nation Building in Southeast Asia nineteen forty 1141 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:55.000 five through nineteen sixty one. Get your copy today at 1142 01:03:55.079 --> 01:04:00.320 Amazon dot com. Why the Vietnam War by author Mike Swans. 1143 01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:08.960 Around Time of. 1144 01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:10.480 Canada, what's your name? 1145 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:11.159 Around the Allia? 1146 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.119 The last no Labs has a times come? 1147 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.239 Why don't it's one time around? So you can will 1148 01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:29.639 burn it on the. 1149 01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:28.719 No No. 1150 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:37.039 No no, you've seen the farest. 1151 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.480 Wandering one widing for the smallest. 1152 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:43.840 Drunken sex in three districts alive with regulated the lakes 1153 01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:46.119 up and don't do it. I've never been. 1154 01:04:53.880 --> 01:05:42.880 No hell hell he he he. 1155 01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:50.079 Man was sing final. 1156 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:55.280 I got the said that Donna Way said, pop you 1157 01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:58.159 I a soldan family company. 1158 01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:14.360 Now the vieus expressed by callers schools, there anyone else 1159 01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:15.960 who happens to get on the air of Jelly dot com. 1160 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:18.320 You not necessarily reflect the US of Lly dot com 1161 01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.320 or and we are not responsible for getting stupidity which 1162 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:21.880 might have issued. 1163 01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:22.199 Thank you. 1164 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.480 Get ready. 1165 01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.559 The second segment of this Wednesday O'Kelly effect. And yeah, 1166 01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:43.280 it's only the fifth day of March, but uh boy, 1167 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.480 a lot has gone on in the past couple of months. 1168 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.760 And in this segment slash hour, I have with me 1169 01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:52.159 Larry Hancock, of course, is the author of many many books, 1170 01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:56.800 and tonight I think I'm gonna have to mention creating chaos, okay, 1171 01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:04.400 uh in denial, shadow warfare, surprise attack and why because 1172 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:07.559 I think all of these things either are currently or 1173 01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:11.639 will be relevant very very soon. We're gonna talk tonight 1174 01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:13.840 about Ukraine, and this is one of those topics that 1175 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:16.800 always gets me in trouble, So why not let's do 1176 01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.519 it with Larry. And I love you, Larry. I'm glad 1177 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:21.320 you're here. He takes up a lot of space on 1178 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.639 my bookshelf. And why you could learn for yourself by 1179 01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:29.599 going to Larrydshhandcock dot com, follow his blog, buy his books. 1180 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:32.800 I recommend them all and I'll tell you one special 1181 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:37.679 recommendation one more time for the Oswald Puzzle, co authored 1182 01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:40.800 by David Boylan, and I'll tell you something. It is 1183 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:43.960 an extra special book. I love all of Larry's work, 1184 01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:48.280 all of it. Okay, some I have more favorites than others. 1185 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.320 I gotta tell you Unidentified as a cool book, but 1186 01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:55.480 Creating Chaos is one of my favorites. In addition to 1187 01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:58.280 someone would have Talked, but of course that's a classic. 1188 01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:02.239 But the Oswald Puzzle, this is an essential piece of 1189 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:07.119 reading for understanding Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassination of Kennedy JFK. 1190 01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:09.960 That is. And oh, by the way, maybe we'll touch 1191 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:12.800 on that before we're done, but maybe not, because we 1192 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.800 got a lot to do here, Larry. You know, there 1193 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.520 is the concept of what's going on with the administration 1194 01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:20.840 and all that, and I tried to address it with 1195 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:23.279 Mike as best I could, but I still stay by 1196 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.319 my stance, which is, how the hell do you even 1197 01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:28.520 know how to evaluate what they may or may not 1198 01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:31.960 release in this administration given you have no idea what 1199 01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:37.000 they're informed about, came before, is currently available, could possibly 1200 01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:41.800 be available, or even is relevant, no idea, And especially 1201 01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.039 with this group, how do you know what they're informed 1202 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:48.479 on and not? I don't know. I can't evaluate it, 1203 01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:50.119 And I'm not even going to ask you a comment 1204 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:54.000 about it, because, hey, why not what happened in the 1205 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:58.479 White House the other day with Vladimir Zelensky and the 1206 01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:03.119 President and you disrespected us. You're a tough guy. I 1207 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:05.119 don't understand. I don't know any of the history. I 1208 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:08.439 love that he admitted he has no idea about the history. 1209 01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:10.880 He has no idea what happened when he wasn't in office, 1210 01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:14.720 so it doesn't matter because he's there to make a deal. 1211 01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:18.159 And that was an interesting stance to take, and Zelenski 1212 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.840 tried to explain to him, you know, eventually, you may 1213 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:23.359 feel some of this stuff going on in Europe over here, 1214 01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:26.039 even though you have an ocean to defend you just 1215 01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:28.119 saying and of course he has no right to tell 1216 01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:31.319 us how we're meant to feel and etc. But man, 1217 01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.279 I wonder if you wouldn't comment on that spectacle that 1218 01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:36.720 went on there, tell us what you think of it, 1219 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:39.760 because the initial reactions from almost every listener I have 1220 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:44.039 was that's a staged event that occurred for a reason. 1221 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.560 And I said, well, you know on some hands, yeah, 1222 01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.239 absolutely true, because they set it up this way, this 1223 01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:52.600 is what they've been doing. Here's your meeting with everybody 1224 01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:55.840 sitting down, then they go to two podiums. Except well, 1225 01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:59.000 in this case, they skipped the podium press conference, didn't 1226 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:04.840 they because Zelensky left kind of unhappy and he didn't 1227 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:08.520 have He also didn't have I think you're back, Larry, maybe, 1228 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.560 but he didn't have a letter from King Charles delivered 1229 01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.479 to him this time. He just had the problem with 1230 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.760 Zelensky and the White House meeting and then no post 1231 01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:22.439 conference press conference. But anyway, I wonder if you wouldn't 1232 01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:25.199 comment on what happened in the White House first and 1233 01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:28.159 then talk to us about what is happening and is 1234 01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:36.199 gonna happen regarding Ukraine. Uh Oh, I may have lost Larry. 1235 01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:40.800 He seems to be on, but let's check because I 1236 01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.319 might have to go to a quick break here. All 1237 01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:48.520 of a sudden, I'm reconnecting to Larry. Well, you know 1238 01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:50.479 what I'm gonna do, guys, I'm gonna take a quick 1239 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:54.079 break and get Larry Hancock back on. I was actually 1240 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:57.239 talking a little long just to sort of keep him 1241 01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.520 in the loop there and make sure that he was 1242 01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:02.880 still with us. But we may have lost Larry in 1243 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:04.960 the meantime. But I really do want to get his 1244 01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:09.960 take on not only the White House, okay, but you 1245 01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:13.079 know what occurred there and all, but I also want 1246 01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:16.159 to get his take on what's going to happen, what 1247 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.920 is happening, the state of diplomacy, the state of the 1248 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.640 state regarding the US, and not just what Trump fed 1249 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:29.600 us right, you know in Congress the other day. So yeah, 1250 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:33.880 we're going to get to all of that. We're going 1251 01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:35.119 to get to all of that when I. 1252 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:36.319 Come back to the bridge. 1253 01:11:59.760 --> 01:11:59.960 Yeah. 1254 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:00.199 Yo. 1255 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.439 This Doug Campbell, host of the Dallas Action podcast presented 1256 01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:06.399 by Wall Street Window, and you are listening to the 1257 01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:11.199 o'chill Effect Revelation through Conversation. 1258 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:16.640 O'chilly dot com dot com Radio network. Do you like history, 1259 01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.439 real history that you were never taught in schools? Why 1260 01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:25.840 the Vietnam War Nuclear Bombs in nation Building in Southeast Asia. 1261 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:30.239 By author Mike Swanson, with new documentation never seen before 1262 01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:33.359 that'll open your eyes to events that led up to this. 1263 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:38.039 Why the Vietnam War Nuclear Bombs in Nation Building in 1264 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:43.319 Southeast Asia nineteen forty five through nineteen sixty one. Get 1265 01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:47.880 your copy today at Amazon dot com. Why the Vietnam 1266 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:49.880 War by author Mike Swanson. 1267 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.520 Governments, Thanks, governments, Thanks. 1268 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:15.000 Fine, fine, Thanks the paper. I don't know what day 1269 01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:16.319 talking about. 1270 01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:19.000 Oh no, don't know what that meaning on. 1271 01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:23.279 I don't know what they talk about. The government's thanks thanks, thanks, thanks, 1272 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:26.119 thanks tanks, Thanks fire by God, No, no. 1273 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:28.399 And they don't know what they want to do. 1274 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:37.640 Make it double fun people cleaning and change, change, change 1275 01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:41.119 and armor. 1276 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.720 The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national 1277 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:52.760 transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in 1278 01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:56.239 the context of the times, and reveals never before published 1279 01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:59.880 information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not 1280 01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:02.640 have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred 1281 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:06.039 years ago. His assassination took place in the context of 1282 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:09.079 the Cold War and the rise of the national security state. 1283 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:12.680 Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic. 1284 01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:16.079 In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower. 1285 01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:19.800 Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba, 1286 01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:22.239 but knew that there were short range missiles on the 1287 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:25.439 island aren't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy 1288 01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:28.359 because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have 1289 01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:31.439 led to a Third World War, and they wanted to 1290 01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.760 go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson 1291 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:37.840 reveals why, and we'll show you what President Kennedy was 1292 01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:41.279 up against. For more information, the Warstate dot com. 1293 01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.119 Yeah, I get ready for it. Larry Hancock is back 1294 01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:58.920 with us. We had a little technical issue there, but 1295 01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:02.039 that's okay. I know he was listening to me talk 1296 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:05.560 about here we are the White House meeting, which was 1297 01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:08.439 the sit down press conference before we get into the 1298 01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:12.520 podium driven press conference. Except the podium driven press conference 1299 01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:16.439 never happened because well, you guys heard me already, enough 1300 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.479 out of me, Larry again, love the fact that you're 1301 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:22.279 on with me, and again Larrydashancock dot com go over there, 1302 01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:25.520 because I know people skipped my commercials and went straight 1303 01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:30.680 to this part. So anyway, Larry, your impressions. First about 1304 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:33.960 the fact that, like I said, people's first reactions to 1305 01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:36.039 me were, this is a staged event, this was some 1306 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.760 sort of puppet show put on just for the media, 1307 01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:43.000 and indeed partially true. But then again, how true is it? 1308 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:45.319 Or maybe you want to go at it a different way. 1309 01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:48.560 I trust you, Larry. First off, how you doing? And second, 1310 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.960 go ahead and tell us about this White House half 1311 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:53.239 a press conference that went on. 1312 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.479 I'm doing fine, other than, like everybody else, at least 1313 01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.960 in America, trying to live in a state of utter chaos. 1314 01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:05.600 I don't think can probably be good for any of 1315 01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:10.159 us mentally and physically, but otherwise generally speaking, other than that, 1316 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:14.600 if I totally isolated myself from the world, I would 1317 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:18.840 be fine. But yeah, Chuck, First of all, I think 1318 01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:21.960 there is a very objective way to look at this, 1319 01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:25.720 and that is compare what happened with what should have happened, 1320 01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:31.199 and what should have happened. As you said you alluded 1321 01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:35.159 to it is, you know, you have a public press 1322 01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:37.600 conference at the end of a meeting where there have 1323 01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:42.199 been serious discussions behind closed doors and you've either reached 1324 01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.880 agreements or you haven't. I mean, in many cases you 1325 01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:48.520 don't reach certain agreements and you step back and you 1326 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.520 agree on a joint protocol on what can you can 1327 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:53.560 say to the world about what you did agree on 1328 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:56.439 and what you didn't And that happens all the time 1329 01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:00.920 in diplomatic meetings. You know, that's what we should have seen. 1330 01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.159 What we saw and as you said, that should have 1331 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:09.199 been in front of the press in a podium type environment. 1332 01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:12.680 That never occurs. You know that the two people are 1333 01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:16.680 standing up and they're reading from a release. So and 1334 01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:20.119 there's a typical anomalist one shouldn't have been that one. 1335 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:20.439 Yeah. 1336 01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:22.920 One second, because there's been a typical pattern here, even 1337 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:26.720 when the British Prime Minister came, other world leaders have come. 1338 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:29.439 Just in these first six weeks, we've seen the sit 1339 01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:32.079 down with the yellow chairs and people lined up on 1340 01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:35.399 each side and there's sort of the press photo op. 1341 01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:39.039 Then there's a second part. And even the British Prime 1342 01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:41.720 Minister who came and brought the letter from King Charles right, 1343 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:44.840 he wrote a lovely letter. This is great. I was 1344 01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:47.239 making jokes. You know, maybe he's gonna fall in love 1345 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:49.640 again like you did with Kim Jong UN's letters. But 1346 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:53.840 I mean, nonetheless, here's your presentation, Oh, mister Trump, We're 1347 01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.279 glad to meet with you, this and that, and then 1348 01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:59.079 they go to let's talk and take questions from the press, 1349 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:02.720 really at the podiums where we have our flags behind us. Right, 1350 01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:07.319 this has been the standard pressers that have been arranged 1351 01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:11.199 by the administration thus far. So we know there was 1352 01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:14.359 a pattern break here because they didn't do the second 1353 01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:15.159 part of it at all. 1354 01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:18.880 Right, they did not do the second part. And you 1355 01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:22.840 never have a third party like Vance, you know. That's 1356 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.800 that makes no sense at all. You never have a 1357 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:32.239 third party in the diplomatics, you know, because these two 1358 01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:36.560 people are speaking for their countries, you know. So there's 1359 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:39.600 no reason to have Vance, certainly, for no reason for 1360 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:44.640 a person like Trump to have Vance speaking, because Trump's 1361 01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:48.880 whole history, Trump speaks for himself. So the mere fact 1362 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:53.079 that Vance is there is again anomalous and suggesting something's 1363 01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:57.000 being set up. So no, this was I think one 1364 01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.079 of the things that drove it, and I think one 1365 01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:02.000 of the things we're going to see throughout this is 1366 01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:08.159 Trump's agenda is very different from all the other diplomatic 1367 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:12.560 meetings are going about on about Ukraine. It's that's why 1368 01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:15.800 it's going to look different than all of those other meetings. 1369 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:20.199 Trump's Trump has very clearly stated what he's focused on, 1370 01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:26.600 and he is not focused on dealing with Russian aggression, 1371 01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:31.000 and he refuses to acknowledge Russian aggression. Trump is totally 1372 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:36.760 focused on peace, and I hate to be I hate 1373 01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:41.119 to be, you know, like conspiracy orient since we know 1374 01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:43.439 we don't do that. But I have seen it positive 1375 01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:46.600 that the reason Trump is so focused on peace is 1376 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:50.000 that he wants a legacy, and one of his legacies 1377 01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.439 is that if a peace bringer, even if he has 1378 01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:57.279 to force it. And here's so we're talking piece. He 1379 01:19:57.439 --> 01:19:59.800 is not talking what's happening in Ukraine. 1380 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.199 But that's the thing is that how do you get 1381 01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:06.119 to peace without facing the circumstance. See, that's the problem 1382 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:08.079 here as far as I'm concerned, I don't know about 1383 01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:10.319 the history when I wasn't in office at that time. 1384 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:14.600 Doesn't matter. Wow, Okay, you're telling this guy doesn't matter, 1385 01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:17.239 and you're telling him you're being a tough guy. You're 1386 01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:21.399 being difficult about this, and he doesn't have the history 1387 01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:23.319 and he's trying to say to him, look, you don't 1388 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.319 want to see I don't want to see spire. Even 1389 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:28.560 mocked him, I don't want to see spire. And he's going, look, 1390 01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:31.000 I would take a seaspire. But Putin doesn't stick to 1391 01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:34.720 his agreements. At least that's what I heard Zelenski trying 1392 01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:38.000 to say. Maybe I'm wrong here. I don't know, but 1393 01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.039 I don't think he's looking for peace. He wants a deal, 1394 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:42.640 which is different than peace. 1395 01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:46.680 Now, you're exactly right, Jack, And I didn't say, but 1396 01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:50.640 to him, Trump is how many he wrote the book right. 1397 01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:55.119 Everything to Trump is a deal, right, and that means 1398 01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.800 that nothing is relevant other than what goes on during 1399 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:02.359 the deal making. He cares about what's on the table, 1400 01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:05.960 you know, he doesn't care about the history. He doesn't, 1401 01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:11.319 which is again totally different than diplomacy, which has to 1402 01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:16.279 consider history and it has to consider contacts, and it 1403 01:21:16.399 --> 01:21:20.439 has to consider promises and broken promises. And that's just 1404 01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:24.520 totally foreign to Trump's way of thinking. And I think 1405 01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:28.960 that's one of the things that keeps shocking Zelenski, and 1406 01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:31.560 I think it did shock a lot of the other 1407 01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:35.319 European leaders. Although they've come to realize what we're realizing now. 1408 01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:38.680 But Zelensky, you've got to you know, if you're Zelenski, 1409 01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:43.319 how can you deal with the situation where the person 1410 01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:47.479 you're talking to doesn't accept the fact that you've been invaded, 1411 01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:52.800 that you've been brutalized, that genocide has been committed against you, 1412 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.439 and that the other party in all of this has 1413 01:21:56.720 --> 01:22:01.399 never kept a promise in his history. Putin has never 1414 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:06.680 ever ever kept a promise that he's made. So Zelensky, 1415 01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:09.800 he put yourself in his position. How are you going 1416 01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:12.560 to set down with this guy who says I don't 1417 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:15.560 care about any of that, you know, I just want 1418 01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:20.800 a deal. Now he may have heard this, may he 1419 01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:23.000 may have learned his lesson the hard way, but you 1420 01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:27.520 can understand why it would be difficult, especially when you're 1421 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:30.880 speaking to someone like Trump, of like, what do we 1422 01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:33.720 what's this dialogue? What are we really talking about? I 1423 01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:36.800 thought I was here to talk about bringing peace and 1424 01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:39.800 you just want a deal. And you're not even give 1425 01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:45.840 security guarantees? Right, you know, no, no diplomatic arrangement like 1426 01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:49.560 this could occur without security detailed degree and you're not 1427 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:54.520 even going to talk about security. I don't blame Zelensky. 1428 01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:58.600 He wasn't being disrespectful of the United States. He was 1429 01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:02.479 totally at sea in dealing with Trump personally. 1430 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:07.359 Well, and here's the difficult thing in my mind is 1431 01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:10.560 that now you have to go down to brass tax here. 1432 01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:13.800 Whether it's right or wrong, this is what Selinsky's confronted 1433 01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:18.239 with now. So that's the only partner he's got that 1434 01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:22.520 could even possibly say something to putin. Otherwise he's back 1435 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.439 to being on his own. It's almost pointless to involve 1436 01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:28.079 the United States now. I mean, we have a cessation 1437 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:31.279 in military aid, right that's supposed to have stopped. I 1438 01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:35.600 believe I read today now it's officially stopped. So there 1439 01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:39.239 goes that he's left with whoever is European allies are here, 1440 01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.479 and I think Trump is going to take it as 1441 01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:46.239 don't even work with Zelinsky, like he has really set 1442 01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.079 him out on an island now of his own right 1443 01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:50.800 or am I reading this wrong? 1444 01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:54.560 And well, I think the one thing that speaks there 1445 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:58.479 are two things that speaks to that Trump and the 1446 01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:05.560 United States the American public don't have a realistic concept 1447 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:09.159 of what's going on in this war in Ukraine. Trump 1448 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:11.439 doesn't want to know about it. And doesn't really care 1449 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.319 about it, nor does vance the American public are not 1450 01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:17.720 seeing it. The media is not covering the war. I 1451 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:22.960 mean there are bloggers and military websites where you can 1452 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:26.760 see the war being really covered. You can see in 1453 01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:30.560 Europe there are the media is covering the war from 1454 01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:33.119 a you know, what's really happening on the front lines, 1455 01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:39.439 what's really happening with weapons and ammunition, But that's not 1456 01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:42.159 being covered in the US. In fact, every day I 1457 01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:45.319 look at the US media, and the US media is 1458 01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:51.760 repeating the Russian version of the war for whatever reason 1459 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:55.159 haven't quite figured out. And that's all media, you know, 1460 01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:59.359 right left indifferent. None of the media is covering. Yeah, 1461 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:04.399 they'll posts that Russia just took two small hamlets. They 1462 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:07.720 won't posts that the Ukrainian counter attacks took them back. 1463 01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:13.520 So it always sounds like Russia is winning. So I 1464 01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:17.159 guess one of the things that we're facing ears there 1465 01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:19.880 are two wars in Ukraine that are going on, the 1466 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:23.720 one that's being covered in the United States and the 1467 01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:25.960 one that Trump really doesn't even want to talk about, 1468 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:31.760 and the one that's going on in Europe. And at 1469 01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:34.479 least do see some media coverage of the fact that 1470 01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:38.920 the Europeans are about to take this war on by 1471 01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:43.199 themselves Macron and the French and the British, and now 1472 01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:49.039 after the German elections, our understanding that they no longer 1473 01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:52.119 are going to be able to reply rely on the US. 1474 01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:55.800 And if you read today's news statements and about the 1475 01:25:56.479 --> 01:25:59.439 meetings that are going on in Europe with now there's 1476 01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:06.199 discussion of actually offering Francis nuclear umbrella to the rest 1477 01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:13.079 of Europe. There are new pledges of building new arms 1478 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:18.159 arments factory. Ukraine is about to not be reliant on 1479 01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:21.159 the US. Now there's going to be about a four 1480 01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:24.479 or five month gap where there is a stretch, but 1481 01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:27.840 Ukraine is not going to be nearly as reliant on 1482 01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:33.319 the US as it has been, or that Trump thinks 1483 01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:38.479 it will be. He's obviously he thinks everything centers around 1484 01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:40.520 the US, but that actually is not true. 1485 01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:46.880 Well, and here's the thing, just from a pragmatic standpoint, right, 1486 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:53.159 you'd have to say that eventually through attrition alone, Zelensky 1487 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:58.560 is stuck here without significant assistance from somebody. 1488 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.399 Right, No, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say what 1489 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:08.000 Zelensky is stuck with is the is the the lines 1490 01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:12.359 of combat where they are now. Zelensky and I think 1491 01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:15.439 that is true. That is something I think that has 1492 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:21.439 to be. There's no way until Russia collapses financial, until 1493 01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:24.840 it it's dragged down by a war economy, which has 1494 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:28.359 now fallen into a strictly a war economy. There's no 1495 01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:31.720 way that Ukraine, with our support or without our support 1496 01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:36.000 of the US or anybody, is going to retake the 1497 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:41.399 twenty percent of territory it's lost. That's absolutely true. There's 1498 01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:45.439 also no indication that there's going to be any break 1499 01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:49.279 in the front lines or that Russia is going to 1500 01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:52.960 suddenly move west at a great pace, which is not 1501 01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:58.039 done for six months now. So that's what Zelensky has 1502 01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:00.239 to face. To some extent, I would say, I had 1503 01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:04.159 to say this, but you know, Trump is is right. 1504 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:06.479 At some point in time, there has to be a 1505 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:10.760 negotiation accepting the fact that Russia, because of its size 1506 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:14.239 and its manpower, you know, claimed a certain amount of 1507 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:18.199 territory and you're which is now almost totally destroyed by 1508 01:28:18.239 --> 01:28:22.039 the way, unfortunately, but you're going to have to deal 1509 01:28:22.079 --> 01:28:24.479 with that. So to that extent, I would say yes, 1510 01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:29.079 But to the thought that Zelenski or Ukraine is not 1511 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:31.760 going to be able to hold the fronts holding now 1512 01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:35.039 on they're doing a pretty good job at that. The 1513 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.439 much touted Russian winter advance did not happen. 1514 01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:44.239 Okay, you know what it is. I'm trying to voice 1515 01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:47.640 what it is that I'm seeing here from the American adage, 1516 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:50.319 because the American attitude is pretty much, well, you know, 1517 01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:52.840 to hell with them, we don't need to support them, 1518 01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:57.239 and which I find strange because I've never seen this before, 1519 01:28:57.359 --> 01:29:01.840 and I see an odd agreement with the Russian version 1520 01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:06.800 of events, like you pointed out, all the media has 1521 01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:09.319 gone there and you know, I said this months ago, 1522 01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:11.880 and people said, no, that's not true. You know, the 1523 01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:14.079 left wing media is this way, and I'm like, no, no, 1524 01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:19.680 they're all lining up to just parrot what is coming 1525 01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:24.039 from Russia today. RTI. It might as well be Rtie 1526 01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:28.840 feeding everybody. And people said, and in my media analysis 1527 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:31.439 is pretty damn good. I'm sorry, it just always is. 1528 01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:34.800 I can predict things, I can see trends that it 1529 01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:37.520 seems as though it takes other people many months to 1530 01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:42.359 accept or to recognize this is an absolute this is 1531 01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:45.039 the way it's going, which is strange to me because 1532 01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:48.000 you know, about two and a half three years ago 1533 01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.720 when this all started, which I'm amazed that it's gone 1534 01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:54.039 on as long as it has. There was a very 1535 01:29:54.560 --> 01:30:00.239 supportive for Ukraine, the people of Ukraine attitude among a 1536 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:03.840 whole lot of our media, our corporate media, even now, 1537 01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:07.279 our alt media always went in Putin's pocket right away 1538 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:11.399 and they've stayed there. And it's about denocification, and it's 1539 01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:14.680 about all these things that look, you know, just like 1540 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.039 the and I've been told that I was completely incorrect 1541 01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:21.600 about Crimea really wanting to go to Russia and all 1542 01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:24.920 of that, and again we're being told the same thing. 1543 01:30:25.119 --> 01:30:27.279 This is, you know, Russian people who want to rejoin 1544 01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:30.520 the Russian Federation and they need to be able to 1545 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:34.920 do that. But again, Ukraine is only vulnerable in my mind, 1546 01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:37.359 because they were convinced to let go of the nuclear 1547 01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:40.720 weapons that they could have held onto some years ago, 1548 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:44.439 and I think that might have changed the equation. And 1549 01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:49.000 everybody talks about, well, NATO's encroachment on Russia has been 1550 01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:54.279 the thing surrounding Russia. And I'm very confused because of 1551 01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:57.840 this shifting narrative that's gone on here where it's like 1552 01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:00.039 and I don't expect and people. Some people say, you 1553 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:03.079 know what it's because you think that Russia is still 1554 01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:06.319 the Soviet Union. No, I don't think that it is 1555 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:09.000 a different thing. It is a totally different state. I've 1556 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:10.439 been into that, and I'm not going to go into 1557 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:13.319 analyzing Putin again because I've said what I got to 1558 01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:15.479 say there and I stand by it. This is a 1559 01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:18.159 guy who figured out that organized crime was good enough 1560 01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:20.159 to bring into the government because that would give him 1561 01:31:20.159 --> 01:31:23.800 an infrastructure, and it's worked out well for him. Okay, 1562 01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:27.000 the oligarchs and organized criminals are the same guys. It 1563 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:30.920 just is what it is, and it's not a bad strategy. 1564 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:33.640 He's been very intelligent about this and he's held this 1565 01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:38.039 together very well, very powerful, I mean again not trying 1566 01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:42.520 to make moral judgments about it, Fairly intelligent, strategically all 1567 01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:46.159 the way around. Great. But the thing is, I still 1568 01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:49.520 see this as a larger nation preying upon a smaller one, 1569 01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:53.199 and I don't see how they could sustain this. I'm 1570 01:31:53.239 --> 01:31:56.119 amazed they sustained it as long as they have because 1571 01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:59.319 just pragmatically, again, they're going to run out of man 1572 01:31:59.479 --> 01:32:03.199 power even if they have the resources. Manpower is down. 1573 01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:06.039 A lot of the country has been destroyed. Not the 1574 01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:10.000 capital city, but a lot of the country appears destroyed, 1575 01:32:10.119 --> 01:32:14.199 depending on who's reporting you look at overseas, but in 1576 01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:18.800 the American media not so much, not much at all really, 1577 01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:21.840 except here we are. This is what we're faced with 1578 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:25.239 and here's the bottom line. So what am I to 1579 01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:26.119 take from this there? 1580 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:33.359 Well, I think what we take about it America generally, 1581 01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:38.479 Europeans are much better at history than America is. They've 1582 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.079 had more of it, and they pay attention to it, 1583 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:44.319 and they've lived it, and we have never lived European history. 1584 01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:48.680 It puzzles me to think that anybody thinks that Eastern 1585 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:53.760 Europe was Russian, because Eastern Europe was a whole series 1586 01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:58.079 of independent nations, small nations forever, and there was a 1587 01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:03.119 Russian Empire and thee it overtook some territory, but most 1588 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:07.760 of the nations were talking about This only happened after 1589 01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:14.840 World War Two, when when Stalin told his allies that basically, 1590 01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:20.560 and this is literal paraphrasing, any place we occupy becomes Russia, 1591 01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:24.960 and any place we occupy we will rule with our 1592 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:29.239 political system, and that meant all of Eastern Europe. That's 1593 01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:34.840 when all of these countries became Soviet Russia. As soon 1594 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:39.520 as they had a chance to leave Soviet the Soviet Union, 1595 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:42.680 they left. You know, that should tell you right there 1596 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:44.920 that you know, there were a lot of people that 1597 01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:50.199 were not happy, you know that, Oh good, the Soviet 1598 01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:53.520 Union collapsed, we can be independent again. That's what they wanted. 1599 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:57.199 So those people that somehow think this was all Russian 1600 01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:02.840 to begin, when eastern Ukraine was only Russian to the 1601 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:07.600 extent that Stalin settled it with Russians after the war 1602 01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:12.159 to take advantage of the industrial capabilities of eastern Ukraine. 1603 01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:15.720 And as you said earlier, what came out of that, 1604 01:34:16.319 --> 01:34:21.479 you had a whole series of oligarchs in eastern Ukraine 1605 01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:28.680 that were tied to Moscow, and when other parts of 1606 01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:34.239 Ukraine decided they were mooring oriented towards Western culture. That's 1607 01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:38.399 generated a real power struggle. And so we've talked about that. 1608 01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:41.560 I talked about that in Creating Chaos. I would defy 1609 01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:46.640 anyone to read that book and counter the story that 1610 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:50.399 I'm just describing, because that is history. But we don't 1611 01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:53.640 Europe knows all that. See, we don't know all that 1612 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:58.239 Europe knows all that Europe knows NATO as a military 1613 01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:03.560 organization was never a threat to Russia. I mean, we're 1614 01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:07.640 talking about NATO. It's like even Trump were going, NATO 1615 01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:10.159 is not a threat, it's not spending enough money, it's 1616 01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:13.680 a military So it can't be that NATO was threatening Russia. 1617 01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:17.600 That was never in the cards. The threat was the 1618 01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:24.800 fact that democracy was threatening the Soviet Union and it's 1619 01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:28.560 you know, Soviet states. And that goes all the way 1620 01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:32.880 back to something we talked about. This this democratic initiative 1621 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:36.800 that they came to fear so badly started under Ronald 1622 01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:42.399 Reagan in nineteen eighty three with a program called NED 1623 01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:47.800 which was funded and American money started going to fund 1624 01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:54.800 democratic activities around the world, including Eastern Europe. Bush, the 1625 01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:59.000 first Bush, reinvigorated that whole program in two thousand and 1626 01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:02.680 two with his own democracy in Issie. That's not NATO 1627 01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:09.680 was threatening Russian military, the US and NGOs funded by 1628 01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:14.960 the US. We're threatening you know, the oligarchs that were 1629 01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:19.000 still in power and a lot of these nations. But again, 1630 01:36:19.079 --> 01:36:23.079 the Europeans know all this that America does not know 1631 01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:27.119 that and suffer something of a guilt complex about NATO, 1632 01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:31.319 which I've never been understanding. Do you think the Soviet 1633 01:36:31.479 --> 01:36:37.399 Union was ever really afraid of NATO? Was putin ever 1634 01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:42.119 really afraid of NATO with the largest standing army in 1635 01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:47.399 the world. I don't think so. In any event, long 1636 01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:51.680 winded answer to your question is that I think Europe 1637 01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:56.359 has its own vision of the reality of what's happening there, 1638 01:36:56.479 --> 01:36:59.600 and if you look there are you have to reach 1639 01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:02.199 out for it. Because of this media issue and I 1640 01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:05.239 sent you a couple of articles. There are media folks 1641 01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:08.520 in Europe and some analysts in the US are that 1642 01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:12.479 are taking hard looks at the Russian economy. Well, let's 1643 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:16.800 fact that it's been turned into a totally war driven economy, right, 1644 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:20.640 and where real question is does food want to give 1645 01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:21.199 that up? 1646 01:37:22.279 --> 01:37:25.319 Well, and here's the thing, Okay, from one side of it, 1647 01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:28.880 it's you know, ken Russia sustain itself this way? And 1648 01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:31.520 does it want to sustain itself this way? And in 1649 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:35.560 that case, if they withdraw from Ukraine, what's next? That 1650 01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:38.920 would be my question. But this VOA article you sent 1651 01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:42.920 me has the headline that asks a huge question that 1652 01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:45.720 I think everybody should be asking here except the people 1653 01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:49.399 that you know. I have taken the attitude of USA 1654 01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:52.720 screw them? I mean really, that's what it comes down to. 1655 01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:57.000 Can Europe arm Ukraine now that the US has halted 1656 01:37:57.079 --> 01:38:02.079 military aid? That is the question, ken, you know, because 1657 01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:04.680 they weren't spending enough on NATO, according to Trump over 1658 01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:07.319 and over again. Right, they're not they're not putting in 1659 01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:10.479 enough money. So we're gonna, you know, we're not going 1660 01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:14.199 to be involved in NATO now. Uh do they become 1661 01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:16.479 our enemy anyway? That's a question for later. But can 1662 01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:20.039 your armed Ukraine now that the US has done that's 1663 01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:20.640 the idea? 1664 01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:21.000 Is that? 1665 01:38:21.920 --> 01:38:22.960 Is that an open question? 1666 01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:24.119 Oh? 1667 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:29.800 It's it's definitely an open question. And and actually there 1668 01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:33.960 there are two questions. Okay, one can they afford to 1669 01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:36.880 do it? And the answer is yes, especially if they 1670 01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:40.359 release all the Soviet Russian funds? Sorry I get trapped 1671 01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:43.159 into that. I'm sorry. There's if they behave like that, 1672 01:38:43.399 --> 01:38:45.720 then I tend to call them that. But can they 1673 01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:49.319 release all the impounded Russian moneys? You bet they can 1674 01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:50.119 afford to do that. 1675 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:50.800 Uh. 1676 01:38:51.199 --> 01:38:55.960 They're building new factories, they're increasing their their weapons production. 1677 01:38:56.359 --> 01:38:59.880 They're at a big, big deal for major deal for 1678 01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:04.560 Ireland for artillery shells. Can they do that for themselves? 1679 01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:08.159 The only thing that would stop them and gives them 1680 01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:10.520 there's a period of risk of six to eight months, 1681 01:39:10.640 --> 01:39:14.359 is if if Trump somehow managed to forbid and I'm 1682 01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:19.760 not sure how he does this American companies to manufacture 1683 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:24.359 and sell weapons to be purchased for Ukraine. I'm not 1684 01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:27.079 talking about the US paying for them. I'm talking about 1685 01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:32.039 our factories fulfilling orders. Canadian factories filling orders by the way, 1686 01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:33.399 but our factories. 1687 01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:35.159 To you know, do that. 1688 01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:38.399 So does Europe have the money and are their sources 1689 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:44.039 to sustain Ukraine? Absolutely? Trump can get in the way 1690 01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:49.600 if he's trying to force basically, I mean what he 1691 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:53.640 has done in the last forty eight hours is an 1692 01:39:53.680 --> 01:40:00.560 attempt to force Ukraine to concede, concede something to putin. 1693 01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:05.560 And that's you know, that's the the answer, as Zolensky 1694 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:08.640 would say, you know, when when Trump, if he managed 1695 01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:11.560 to not we're not talking about more money. We're literally 1696 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:17.520 stopping them from getting anti missile weapons and anti aircraft weapons. 1697 01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:21.920 If we shut off the flow, including what's being ordered 1698 01:40:22.039 --> 01:40:26.520 for them, it gives them some leverage. But that that's 1699 01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:29.079 going to be his decision, and that's that would be 1700 01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:34.279 the US deciding that we're not going to support someone 1701 01:40:34.359 --> 01:40:37.319 that's under attack by an aggressor. If it goes that far, 1702 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:40.199 it's going to be a hard pull for Europe to 1703 01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:42.520 do by themselves. But yeah, they can do it within 1704 01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:46.039 a year two years absolutely, Okay. 1705 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:50.119 Can Zolensky survive that long. 1706 01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:50.920 With the lag? 1707 01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:56.880 Yeah, that that's the question, and and that that, you know, 1708 01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:01.279 I think the answer and what we saw as of 1709 01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:04.279 this afternoon, and this is real time stuff. I mean, 1710 01:41:04.359 --> 01:41:06.560 you've almost got to be looking at it every five 1711 01:41:06.640 --> 01:41:10.960 minutes in the right places. Zelensky has has basically knuckled 1712 01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:15.119 under because he's he understands the stakes and now he's 1713 01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:18.439 he's willing to come back to the US. He's willing 1714 01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:22.800 to discuss the mineral deals. If he's willing to discuss 1715 01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:28.319 the mineral deals, and you know, that's the first step, 1716 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:33.199 then there are stuff out of Washington this afternoon saying 1717 01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:37.359 if he apologizes and willing to discuss the mineral deals, 1718 01:41:37.920 --> 01:41:42.600 then we'll probably stop, you know, withholding not just weapons 1719 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:46.960 but intelligence. Right, So that's why he is going to concede. 1720 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:48.800 That, Yeah, Because that's the other key announcement is that 1721 01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:52.960 Trump directed you know, is national security people to tell 1722 01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:56.119 Britain to stop sharing intelligence with Ukraine. 1723 01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:56.359 Right. 1724 01:41:57.359 --> 01:41:59.359 That was another big thing today, wasn't it. 1725 01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:02.840 That was one of the three big things that to 1726 01:42:03.079 --> 01:42:05.840 relate Ukraine. The other big thing from a couple of 1727 01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:11.000 days ago, as Trump has ordered all of our basically 1728 01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:18.039 cyber warfare to regard Russia as safe, so we're to 1729 01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:22.560 lay off any attempts to deal with I mean, it's insane, 1730 01:42:22.760 --> 01:42:27.800 but we won't even go there. But yes, the two 1731 01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:31.279 big things that happened within the last forty hours. We 1732 01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:35.079 will not deliveries of stuff that had actually been ordered 1733 01:42:35.119 --> 01:42:39.199 and paid for it. And this is Trump stopping things 1734 01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:43.359 that had been ordered, contracts signed, and Congress had appropriated 1735 01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:48.359 money for. And then he also cut off the intelligence, 1736 01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:52.880 although that's not as big a deal because the Ukraine 1737 01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:58.039 gets much of its intelligence from NATO, not simply the US. 1738 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:02.000 Well, I got a say that I am not surprised 1739 01:43:02.079 --> 01:43:04.399 at all that Trump would stiff somebody on something that 1740 01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:06.760 was already ordered and paid for because you know, go 1741 01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:09.800 back to the casino business that happened there too. But 1742 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:12.359 pay no attention to that because I'm just an anti 1743 01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:14.800 Trump guy and I'm a jerk. But the thing is, 1744 01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:21.880 you know, I'm saying that with all sarcasm attact. You know, 1745 01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:24.560 it's just I wonder where this leaves us though, I mean, 1746 01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:28.439 is this is this really where we're going? So Zelenski's 1747 01:43:28.439 --> 01:43:31.920 gonna knuckle under. He's going to apologize for allegedly insulting 1748 01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:34.960 the United States or Trump or the administration or whatever. 1749 01:43:35.600 --> 01:43:37.479 And now he's going to give up mineral rights to 1750 01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:40.520 the US and order for US to continue to provide 1751 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:43.800 him with something. And yet he's got to submit anyway 1752 01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:45.439 to Russia. 1753 01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:52.880 Right, Yeah, I think I can't see myself visualizing and 1754 01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:56.119 and and Putin is going to drop back to he's 1755 01:43:56.199 --> 01:44:00.199 going to and I got to get this point in. 1756 01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:02.439 I wish you'd post. Every time I think about it, 1757 01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:07.560 it irks me. But this is going to be basically, 1758 01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:12.279 we're going to abandon all of our foreign policy back 1759 01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:15.960 from to the point of Kennedy's speech in Berlin at 1760 01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:20.439 the Brandenburg Gate, a speech about defending liberty wherever an 1761 01:44:20.439 --> 01:44:24.760 aggressor attacks. Uh, this is over because we are going 1762 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:29.079 to force a peace settlement with an aggressor. We're essentially 1763 01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:32.279 going to take the side of the aggressor where there's 1764 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:35.079 no doubt that there was an aggressor here. If you 1765 01:44:35.159 --> 01:44:38.600 don't see that, then you just haven't you haven't been 1766 01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:41.760 part of it. But so that that's going to happen, 1767 01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:46.199 I think pragmatically speaking now, and Zelensky's going to probably 1768 01:44:46.399 --> 01:44:50.760 end up giving up the don boss and Russia is 1769 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.319 going to take that, and then Russia is going to 1770 01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:57.479 reset to rearming itself and going back to active measures. 1771 01:44:58.079 --> 01:45:00.560 And you and I have talked about this, Chuck, this 1772 01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:04.800 actually was kind of anomaly. Putin is really good at 1773 01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:09.800 active measures and political warfare, you know, buying politicians using 1774 01:45:10.359 --> 01:45:15.079 Russian money to undercut foreign elections, as he has recently 1775 01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:18.479 in a Romania and a couple of other countries. He'll 1776 01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.520 fall back to doing that. It'll be a cycle, and 1777 01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:25.079 he's gone through these cycles. He went through this cycle 1778 01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:29.640 with Georgia, and it's an old story of basically, you 1779 01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:33.640 do active measures and political warfare, and if you've got 1780 01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:38.560 a you know, some Russian speaker speakers somewhere, eventually you 1781 01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:40.479 get to the point where you declare that you have 1782 01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:45.720 to support them militarily because they're being harassed or whatever. 1783 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:51.319 It'll it'll be the same cycle and the net result 1784 01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:58.119 I think will be Ukraine just literally losing twenty percent 1785 01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:03.119 of its territory out and Russia. The interesting thing about 1786 01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:07.039 that is what Russia will do is inherent and erit 1787 01:46:07.359 --> 01:46:11.479 a you know, eastern Ukraine, which is in a sad state. 1788 01:46:12.199 --> 01:46:14.239 So one of the things to look for this is 1789 01:46:14.359 --> 01:46:18.680 a prediction what you might see out of this negotiated 1790 01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:23.359 settlement if Trump pushes it, actually a fund where the 1791 01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:27.800 United States joins in and forces Ukrainian money to go 1792 01:46:28.039 --> 01:46:31.000 to rebuild Russian territory. 1793 01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:41.399 Wow. Wow, I mean, so they're going to rebuild the 1794 01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:46.239 part of Ukraine that was destroyed by Russia taking it. 1795 01:46:47.439 --> 01:46:50.800 Yeah, yep, absolutely because Russia it can't. Russia in no 1796 01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:55.079 way can afford to do that. And so to make 1797 01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:57.840 itself look good and to make the quote unquote peace 1798 01:46:57.880 --> 01:47:00.720 settlement look good, you're going to You're gonna have to 1799 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:03.560 have money to do that, all right. So where's the 1800 01:47:03.640 --> 01:47:07.760 money going to come from. You can either you can 1801 01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:11.399 either take some of the money that's been impounded, you know, 1802 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:13.920 from sanctions, and say well, we're going to split this. 1803 01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:16.880 We'll give it to both parties. We won't just give 1804 01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:19.680 it to Ukraine, who's the victim. We'll give it to 1805 01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:25.720 Russia as well, or we could. I kind of hope 1806 01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:31.079 Zelensky signs the mineral deal quickly, because otherwise I would 1807 01:47:31.159 --> 01:47:35.319 not be surprised to see Trump forcing some of that 1808 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:38.399 money to go to Russia as part of a settlement. 1809 01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:43.039 I mean, Trump really wants a settlement that looks good 1810 01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:43.800 to Russia. 1811 01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:52.239 Wow. I mean, I'm just I'm stunned by this idea 1812 01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:57.199 and what's happening here. I mean I almost you know, 1813 01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:59.920 I was almost as stunned when I saw Vattelli Klitschko 1814 01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:01.279 was the mayor of Kiev. 1815 01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:05.600 You know, uh, what's going to stun you really? I 1816 01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:10.199 mean we three days ago, we had Pravda publish a 1817 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:14.119 headline article that said it was happy to see the 1818 01:48:14.359 --> 01:48:21.720 American foreign policy was now in line with Russian foreign policy. 1819 01:48:22.199 --> 01:48:23.920 I mean, that was headline. I don't know how many 1820 01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:27.720 Americans have seen it, but that's what they that's what 1821 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:30.840 they anticipate, that's what they expect. That's that's what they 1822 01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:36.439 expect from Trump and to something to some that's sustained 1823 01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:39.479 by saying, oh, we should be there's no reason we 1824 01:48:39.560 --> 01:48:43.359 shouldn't be friends with Russia, and it's economical and we 1825 01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:46.000 want them back in the G seven, you know, we 1826 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:48.880 want to we want to reset this all where they're 1827 01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:52.840 they're you know, and we could reset back to the 1828 01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:55.840 point before this all started, and then it will go 1829 01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:57.439 through that same cycle again. 1830 01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:02.359 Wow. I mean I would have never expected this, you know, 1831 01:49:02.720 --> 01:49:05.640 But then again I did kind of expect it. And 1832 01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:09.279 I'll tell you why, because you know, they told oh, 1833 01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:11.600 that was all fake. Trump was never on the side 1834 01:49:11.640 --> 01:49:17.920 of Russia. But when did he deviate from normalizing relations 1835 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:21.640 with Vladimir Putin? No matter what. And I'm not saying 1836 01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:23.760 that the ideas we should have remained, you know, at 1837 01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:27.159 odds with him at all times on all things. But 1838 01:49:27.319 --> 01:49:30.920 the idea that, like you said, siding with an aggressor. 1839 01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:34.680 And there are people that realistically and with fully open 1840 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:39.600 eyes argue that Russia was not the aggressor here, you know, 1841 01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:44.039 that Ukraine and attacking people and having a Nazi brigade 1842 01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:44.840 and this and that, and. 1843 01:49:47.079 --> 01:49:49.840 I just thought that to one extent, Paul, I'll push 1844 01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:53.720 that back. Let's let's be totally factual. Go ahead, let's 1845 01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:56.600 step away from the ideology. Let's go back to the 1846 01:49:56.720 --> 01:50:00.880 video tape. Let's go back to what we watched these 1847 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:06.319 people maybe didn't watch this live. We watched live for 1848 01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:11.840 eight months of Putin massing forces and saying that he 1849 01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:16.119 would never invade. Okay, we watched that, well heard that. Okay, 1850 01:50:16.880 --> 01:50:21.439 then they invaded. But they didn't just invade. We had 1851 01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:26.359 newspeople on the streets of the Russians coming through and 1852 01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:32.520 literally you know, killing people, terrorizing people, rape, plunder, genocide. 1853 01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:36.039 That this wasn't just a march across the border, and 1854 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:40.920 everybody welcomed us. It was the most brutal invasion that 1855 01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:44.600 you toss away all the politics. Let's just look at 1856 01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:49.079 what happened to people with Russian troops crossing the border. 1857 01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:55.800 Ukraine did not cross anybody's border. Russian troops crossed the border, 1858 01:50:57.039 --> 01:50:59.800 you know, headed for Kiev, headed toward Kharkov. 1859 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:00.399 Right. 1860 01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:04.399 We all saw this up close and personal. We saw 1861 01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:08.479 the bodies. So how anyone can say at this point 1862 01:51:08.520 --> 01:51:10.680 in time they are literally and I'll say it, they're 1863 01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:15.920 in denial because we've seen it. If either they didn't 1864 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:17.560 see it or they refused to look at. 1865 01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:21.560 It, well again, it's a refusal to look because of 1866 01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:27.359 an idealistic ide you know, and not idealistic ideology. Excuse me, 1867 01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:31.279 because of an ideology that guides that that's the way 1868 01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:36.640 it is, you know, And I'm just again, I don't 1869 01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:39.239 know what this means except that, like you said, and 1870 01:51:39.319 --> 01:51:46.680 what's funny is immediately the liberal reaction within minutes, a 1871 01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:49.159 lot of liberal bloggers went out there and said, we 1872 01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:54.960 have just what witnessed the destruction of basically US policy 1873 01:51:55.239 --> 01:51:59.680 for the past fifty years. They were saying, and what 1874 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:02.159 you said is no, it's more like sixty something. 1875 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:07.680 Yeah, yeah, the way I would put it. Let's put 1876 01:52:07.680 --> 01:52:10.000 it this, Okay, So if you really want to put 1877 01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:13.920 in the history, that enough history. The point being, there 1878 01:52:14.079 --> 01:52:18.520 was a point in time where Americans were seen as 1879 01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:24.439 about nothing but money, nothing but themselves, and the term 1880 01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:29.239 ugly American. When I was growing up, ugly American was 1881 01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:36.600 a common description of Americans overseas. They threw around their money, 1882 01:52:37.079 --> 01:52:40.760 they did business deals. Everybody knew that they were only 1883 01:52:40.960 --> 01:52:44.199 there for, you know, to get what they could make 1884 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:47.079 out of the business deals. That was true certainly in 1885 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:50.520 Latin America, but in other places in Asia as well. 1886 01:52:50.960 --> 01:52:52.920 It was the age of the ugly. 1887 01:52:52.800 --> 01:53:01.720 Americans, entitled greedy, overstepping, rude. Absolutely regarding any other cultures 1888 01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:04.640 other than their own, which they didn't really have a culture, 1889 01:53:05.359 --> 01:53:08.600 et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, that's the ugly American. 1890 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:11.560 Yeah, and that was the legacy of World War Two. 1891 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:15.279 We felt we deserved it. We saved the world. Okay, hey, 1892 01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:21.039 it's only fair. It's our turn. And I think that's 1893 01:53:21.159 --> 01:53:25.319 what we're returning to. We're not. We're returning to, Well, 1894 01:53:25.399 --> 01:53:28.199 people do business with us. Yeah, they'll do business, but 1895 01:53:28.840 --> 01:53:32.279 they will try like it's cash up front. You know, 1896 01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:36.239 we understand these guys are deal makers and and you 1897 01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:40.880 know that's what they're about. They're you know, morality, ethics, 1898 01:53:41.159 --> 01:53:44.279 idealism is not in the game. Let's look at the cards, 1899 01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:49.119 you know, make them show their cards first. So what 1900 01:53:49.319 --> 01:53:53.000 we will have lost, I don't think is we will 1901 01:53:53.079 --> 01:53:57.800 have lost a certain amount of trust. So I wouldn't 1902 01:53:57.920 --> 01:54:03.479 go over I wouldn't go over bored, but certainly, certainly 1903 01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:07.319 the fact that anyone could trust us if we just 1904 01:54:07.479 --> 01:54:13.199 accepted the fact that basically the big guy wins, which 1905 01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:16.520 is what Trump keeps saying, Literally, the big guy wins. 1906 01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:19.439 You need to recognize that. You need to deal with it. 1907 01:54:19.560 --> 01:54:22.399 The people have the most money, the most power, wind 1908 01:54:22.720 --> 01:54:25.079 you just need to step in line and follow along 1909 01:54:25.159 --> 01:54:27.760 with him, which was the classic ugly American thing. So 1910 01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:33.800 you call that America first. That that's sounds better, okay, 1911 01:54:34.039 --> 01:54:36.600 And that's what we'll call it, you know, back in 1912 01:54:36.720 --> 01:54:38.720 the day when I was growing up. It's because you know, 1913 01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:41.319 what is good for Detroit and Chevrolet is good for 1914 01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:45.920 the world will be you know what's good for America, 1915 01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:49.640 it's good for that's we just we've entered a new mode. 1916 01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:50.319 That's and. 1917 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:54.439 That's the world is going to have interesting thing. The 1918 01:54:54.520 --> 01:54:57.640 world's pretty quick. It's going to see that and react 1919 01:54:57.680 --> 01:54:59.880 to it, which is what we're seeing in Europe right now. 1920 01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:07.199 And they're gonna understand this. And partnering will be in 1921 01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:10.960 terms of business deals, it won't be in terms of alliances. 1922 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:13.560 Well, but here's the other thing to remember, and I 1923 01:55:13.720 --> 01:55:18.159 always keep this in my mind. You know, the street level, Larry, 1924 01:55:18.199 --> 01:55:19.960 You know me, I've always got to go to the 1925 01:55:20.039 --> 01:55:25.319 unrefined street level on this. And here's the thing. The 1926 01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:29.239 big bad guy who is out there. Yeah, he's feared, 1927 01:55:29.359 --> 01:55:31.520 nobody wants to mess with him. Of course people will 1928 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:34.920 make business deals with him, and yeah, they won't trust him, 1929 01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:37.039 and they'll handle him just right and say the right 1930 01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:43.399 things to his face. But here's the problem. Eventually, eventually 1931 01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:48.760 somebody figures out, you know what, if I bust the 1932 01:55:48.840 --> 01:55:53.920 big man in his kneecaps and knock him down, I 1933 01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:55.239 can be the big man next. 1934 01:55:56.840 --> 01:55:57.840 That's the thing. 1935 01:55:59.319 --> 01:56:00.159 I'm just saying this. 1936 01:56:00.760 --> 01:56:03.520 China is just ready and waiting to do that. Do 1937 01:56:03.720 --> 01:56:06.319 you read the Chinese statement today about the tariffs. 1938 01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:10.039 That's where I'm going with it. Yeah, that event. 1939 01:56:11.479 --> 01:56:13.680 Whatever kind of war America wants. 1940 01:56:13.840 --> 01:56:16.399 Yeah, that's the thing about China is that they've spent 1941 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:20.079 all this time building up this economic engine which is 1942 01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:23.920 not purely communist, no matter what people tell you. Okay, 1943 01:56:24.359 --> 01:56:29.319 it is influenced and run by and absolutely engorged as 1944 01:56:29.359 --> 01:56:32.439 far as the Communist Party of China goes, but it 1945 01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:37.800 is not a communist machine. It is a blended machine 1946 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:43.720 that is pretty efficient, looks like to me. And I 1947 01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:47.880 don't know that we're prepared to really start to face 1948 01:56:47.960 --> 01:56:54.119 that down if we become just the big guy who 1949 01:56:54.239 --> 01:56:57.279 is waiting to get kneecapped. I'm just saying, you know, 1950 01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:00.279 and I think that's what Zelensky was trying to say. 1951 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:03.880 It is broken English, is that you know eventually, I 1952 01:57:03.960 --> 01:57:05.680 mean because you caught that part of it. I'm sure 1953 01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:10.159 you analyze this a bit. The meeting, right when he said, 1954 01:57:10.199 --> 01:57:12.840 you know you're gonna feel this influence, and Trump jumped 1955 01:57:12.840 --> 01:57:14.800 to the wrong part of the statement, which is, you 1956 01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:18.800 have no right to tell us what we feel. It's 1957 01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:20.880 not about what we feel. What he was trying to 1958 01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:25.199 tell you is that eventually you're gonna understand this is 1959 01:57:25.279 --> 01:57:28.760 going to change things for you. You get it, And 1960 01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:31.800 I think Zelenski was trying to tell him that. And 1961 01:57:32.359 --> 01:57:34.760 I know right now I'm gonna get ugly emails about 1962 01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:36.439 how dare you and don't you understand? 1963 01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:36.680 What? 1964 01:57:36.760 --> 01:57:40.520 Are you some kind of anti American? Now I'm just 1965 01:57:40.640 --> 01:57:44.279 looking at it from a realistic standpoint, okay, which is, 1966 01:57:44.399 --> 01:57:46.720 if you want to be the guy who's only got 1967 01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:52.399 the big gun, you can do that. But most people 1968 01:57:52.479 --> 01:57:54.000 will adhere to it and they'll back down. 1969 01:57:54.079 --> 01:57:54.359 You know what. 1970 01:57:54.520 --> 01:57:56.560 That's the big guy, that's the big gun. I'm gonna 1971 01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:59.680 keep my head down and yeah, I'll make business deals 1972 01:57:59.720 --> 01:58:05.680 like you said, But eventually it also grows a small 1973 01:58:05.800 --> 01:58:09.359 population that goes we can take that big sucker out. 1974 01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:16.039 And that's the difference, Chuck, that Europeans understand that Europeans 1975 01:58:16.079 --> 01:58:20.479 have been doing. That is diplomacy. Diplomacy. Go back to 1976 01:58:20.600 --> 01:58:26.560 Machiavelli that they understand diplomacy because they've been lots and 1977 01:58:26.680 --> 01:58:30.439 lots of small states interacting with each other for centuries. 1978 01:58:31.680 --> 01:58:35.880 Trump doesn't have that background. He just doesn't think that. 1979 01:58:36.159 --> 01:58:39.159 And to a large extent, the US, other than are 1980 01:58:39.439 --> 01:58:42.880 the diplomatic core that we used to have, you know, 1981 01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:47.079 doesn't think that way either. That's just us. It's a 1982 01:58:47.119 --> 01:58:50.640 different way of thinking. And and the pushback is, no, 1983 01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:53.279 we're not going to listen to you. We're the big guy. 1984 01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:55.199 What could you have to tell us about? 1985 01:58:55.359 --> 01:58:55.600 And the. 1986 01:58:57.319 --> 01:59:00.199 Mackey Avelli has a lot to tell you about, you know, 1987 01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:03.319 and how states interact with each other. And it's you know, 1988 01:59:03.439 --> 01:59:06.359 it's power. It's not just economics and dealing. 1989 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:07.800 Well, that's the thing, you know. 1990 01:59:09.560 --> 01:59:13.279 And to look at it from a really truly well 1991 01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:17.680 nuanced and intelligent point of view is to understand this. Uh, 1992 01:59:17.920 --> 01:59:23.279 the culture that produced whoever and whatever suns Su really 1993 01:59:23.520 --> 01:59:29.319 was understands this very well as well. And I think 1994 01:59:29.960 --> 01:59:34.600 Americans would do themselves a whole lot of favors by 1995 01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:40.279 trying to internalize the lessons within Sunsu and the art 1996 01:59:40.359 --> 01:59:43.560 of war because it's not just about war per se. 1997 01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:48.880 Oh no, it's it's yeah, none of this is about war. 1998 01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:52.560 I mean again, that's the whole difference chess and checkers thing, 1999 01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:56.359 you know that we keep talking about it. You know, No, 2000 01:59:56.520 --> 01:59:59.680 it's not all about war. It's it's about power. It's 2001 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:02.960 about manipulation of power, and power is not just military. 2002 02:00:03.479 --> 02:00:08.479 Chin China understands. It's fascinating that China's big initiative around 2003 02:00:08.520 --> 02:00:12.239 the road with their you know, their new road programs 2004 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:17.199 is all about extending foreign aid to acquire influence and power. 2005 02:00:17.800 --> 02:00:20.319 And of course what we're going to do is close 2006 02:00:20.399 --> 02:00:24.560 down usaid. However you feel about that? The what I 2007 02:00:24.600 --> 02:00:27.359 saw today, it's like, well, how can we have to 2008 02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:29.840 We have not to spend money. We don't have money 2009 02:00:29.920 --> 02:00:34.199 to throw away like that overseas. Okay, no, I guess 2010 02:00:34.279 --> 02:00:37.279 we don't. But are the Chinese stupid? 2011 02:00:37.399 --> 02:00:37.560 Then? 2012 02:00:38.600 --> 02:00:42.079 Are the Chinese? You know, are they just really dumb 2013 02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:45.239 to realize you know, they've got economic problems too? Why 2014 02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:48.199 are they throwing away money around the world? You need 2015 02:00:48.279 --> 02:00:51.279 to ask yourself. That's always the question. If the other 2016 02:00:51.399 --> 02:00:53.720 guy looks to be stupid, is he really or did 2017 02:00:53.760 --> 02:00:54.720 you miss something. 2018 02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:57.760 Right, And that's the problem I have with the people 2019 02:00:57.880 --> 02:01:00.520 that say, you know what, it's a ways to do this. Okay, 2020 02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:04.000 maybe so, But on the other hand, you're missing the 2021 02:01:04.199 --> 02:01:08.000 rest of the point, which is, regardless of what you 2022 02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:11.359 think of it, even if you don't care about, you know, 2023 02:01:11.520 --> 02:01:15.720 wooden shoes in Holland, okay or whatever, the point is 2024 02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:23.119 that this buys you other things. You know, Like I've 2025 02:01:23.159 --> 02:01:26.239 said before, you know, and we have bought ourselves plenty, 2026 02:01:26.319 --> 02:01:29.520 and I don't understand that, you know, over time we've 2027 02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:32.079 had this, you know, two hundred years of history. A 2028 02:01:32.319 --> 02:01:34.439 it's real long, two hundred three, let's call it three 2029 02:01:34.520 --> 02:01:38.439 hundred even three hundred years of history, even though I'm 2030 02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:43.960 being generous. Other places that have had empires come and 2031 02:01:44.079 --> 02:01:46.520 go and have risen and fallen and have now built 2032 02:01:46.640 --> 02:01:50.960 other modern engines do seem to have a slightly different 2033 02:01:51.000 --> 02:01:54.800 philosophical bent here. And I don't think that anybody would 2034 02:01:54.840 --> 02:01:59.640 claim that the Chinese are foolish, that their government is foolish, 2035 02:02:00.159 --> 02:02:05.479 that their business people are foolish, that that entire machine there, 2036 02:02:06.039 --> 02:02:10.000 integrated machine. Again, not as communists as some people think, 2037 02:02:10.159 --> 02:02:15.399 but definitely not capitalist or whatever either. It's a whole 2038 02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:20.159 blended system there. It's not doing things out of the 2039 02:02:20.199 --> 02:02:24.680 goodness of its heart, is all I'm saying. And there 2040 02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:27.600 might be some intelligence there in some of the strategies 2041 02:02:27.880 --> 02:02:31.239 that we are now going to abandon. And I think 2042 02:02:31.319 --> 02:02:34.079 this is a prime example. I mean, what is and 2043 02:02:34.199 --> 02:02:36.680 what is the end result here giving up twenty percent 2044 02:02:36.800 --> 02:02:41.439 of Ukraine in order to secure peace. I have a 2045 02:02:41.520 --> 02:02:44.119 bad feeling that that's not going to work out either 2046 02:02:44.640 --> 02:02:48.239 for the long term. In the short run, it will 2047 02:02:48.319 --> 02:02:51.600 put an end to things and allow many people to 2048 02:02:51.680 --> 02:02:52.760 declare victories here. 2049 02:02:53.119 --> 02:02:57.560 Right, everybody except so might get President Trump a Nobel prize. 2050 02:02:57.640 --> 02:03:00.640 I doubt it, but it could could very clear that 2051 02:03:00.720 --> 02:03:05.399 he wants that. But that's a that's a rather limited 2052 02:03:05.560 --> 02:03:08.119 outcome in terms of what's in the best hinters for 2053 02:03:08.199 --> 02:03:09.000 everybody else. 2054 02:03:09.479 --> 02:03:13.239 Right, So, anyway, Larry, I know I've taken you, you know, 2055 02:03:13.560 --> 02:03:18.039 a little over the hour here. In conclusion, what could 2056 02:03:18.119 --> 02:03:21.359 we say to the audience here as far as what's coming? 2057 02:03:22.079 --> 02:03:24.159 I mean, do you think it is just as predictable 2058 02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:27.199 as that we're going to see Zelenski return, apologize He's 2059 02:03:27.239 --> 02:03:30.319 going to give up his mineral rights and secure peace 2060 02:03:30.439 --> 02:03:32.640 and then Trump will declare victory and that'll be that. 2061 02:03:32.760 --> 02:03:34.720 Of course he's now the peace president. 2062 02:03:35.800 --> 02:03:40.880 Yeah, I think it. Unfortunately it is that simple because 2063 02:03:40.960 --> 02:03:43.960 we let it. And by the way, I will I 2064 02:03:44.039 --> 02:03:47.680 will be the first to say that. You know, the 2065 02:03:47.800 --> 02:03:51.399 Biden administration takes a lot of blame for all of 2066 02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:54.760 this because this never should have happened, rightfully, so, but 2067 02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:57.800 it goes all the way back to the Obama The 2068 02:03:57.920 --> 02:04:02.000 place to has stopped all of this was crimea in 2069 02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:06.920 the first place. It was if you were going to you, 2070 02:04:07.199 --> 02:04:09.119 if you're going to take a stand, you take a 2071 02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:13.520 stand then. And the way that we the way we respond, well, 2072 02:04:14.319 --> 02:04:18.640 not just Obaba, Trump and Biden, the previous administrations all 2073 02:04:18.920 --> 02:04:25.760 failed to respond to this, and maybe Biden has failed 2074 02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:30.439 failed most dramatically to seize the moment and give Ukraine 2075 02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:33.279 what it needed to actually retain its territory. 2076 02:04:33.640 --> 02:04:33.760 Uh. 2077 02:04:34.239 --> 02:04:38.760 If they had had what they needed uh two years 2078 02:04:38.800 --> 02:04:41.920 ago when they began their offensive, they probably could have 2079 02:04:42.000 --> 02:04:44.520 taken most of Ukraine back. We didn't give them what 2080 02:04:44.640 --> 02:04:47.840 they needed when they needed it, which which means we 2081 02:04:48.760 --> 02:04:51.279 left the plane field. So when you leave the plane 2082 02:04:51.359 --> 02:04:56.239 field essentially, which we did, then this is what we 2083 02:04:56.439 --> 02:05:00.119 end up with and pragmatically I saying, I think that 2084 02:05:00.159 --> 02:05:03.399 would be my conclusion. I would you can you can 2085 02:05:03.880 --> 02:05:08.680 toss blame back over many administrations in many years. But 2086 02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:12.439 the bottom line is what I really wish people would 2087 02:05:12.439 --> 02:05:14.560 take more of is is to look at what the 2088 02:05:14.640 --> 02:05:19.159 situation really is in Ukraine, the situation really is in Europe, 2089 02:05:20.079 --> 02:05:23.079 not what's being covered in the American media because it's 2090 02:05:23.279 --> 02:05:27.239 it's it's as good as repeating as you said earlier, 2091 02:05:28.239 --> 02:05:32.199 the Russian line. I don't know why both sides, liberal 2092 02:05:32.319 --> 02:05:35.479 and conservative are both doing that, but they are. But 2093 02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:38.399 if people really want to know what's going on they need, 2094 02:05:38.720 --> 02:05:42.359 this is going to be resolved in Europe and Europe 2095 02:05:42.520 --> 02:05:47.720 and Zelensky is they're going to give Trump what Trump 2096 02:05:47.880 --> 02:05:52.520 needs to feel good and take his position and look good, 2097 02:05:53.119 --> 02:05:55.680 and then they're going to go on with their own business. 2098 02:05:57.039 --> 02:06:00.319 And we just to a large extent, that means we 2099 02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:04.319 just exited the playing field totally, not just a little bit, 2100 02:06:04.600 --> 02:06:05.239 but totally. 2101 02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:08.279 And the last thing I have to ask you, and 2102 02:06:08.359 --> 02:06:11.640 then we'll close this out entirely, is that are we 2103 02:06:11.840 --> 02:06:19.159 looking at a related or unrelated next situation? Because you 2104 02:06:19.279 --> 02:06:22.720 and I both know I mean we're still dealing with 2105 02:06:22.840 --> 02:06:25.079 the you know, the Palestinian thing, which is now going 2106 02:06:25.159 --> 02:06:27.560 to be a real estate deal too. And I told 2107 02:06:27.640 --> 02:06:30.159 people that that's what that is. I mean, and that's 2108 02:06:30.159 --> 02:06:32.479 where he's looking at is. We're gonna just build it. 2109 02:06:33.319 --> 02:06:35.039 We're going to own it. I don't know what he 2110 02:06:35.119 --> 02:06:39.760 means by owning it, but that's weird. But anyway, I think, Yeah, 2111 02:06:39.920 --> 02:06:41.439 that's the way he's looking at it is, I'll just 2112 02:06:41.520 --> 02:06:43.520 build a Trump tower there in a resort. Let's what 2113 02:06:43.680 --> 02:06:46.359 casinos in Palestine. I mean, this is where he's at. 2114 02:06:48.359 --> 02:06:50.239 Although don't let him put a casino there because he 2115 02:06:50.279 --> 02:06:52.279 will run it into the ground. But the thing is 2116 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:57.800 a resort, you know. That's the way he's looking at that, 2117 02:06:57.880 --> 02:07:00.800 and that's where that's going. But you know, there are 2118 02:07:00.960 --> 02:07:03.319 people that are still willing to go to war and 2119 02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:07.840 still have these you know, principles of all sorts, and 2120 02:07:07.960 --> 02:07:10.560 it could go in a lot of directions. I may 2121 02:07:10.600 --> 02:07:16.520 have lost Larry again. I'm not sure Larry you there. Oh, 2122 02:07:17.000 --> 02:07:18.840 I may have lost Larry again. But you know what, 2123 02:07:19.079 --> 02:07:22.319 he's given us a great conclusion. We exit the field 2124 02:07:22.399 --> 02:07:26.239 there it is, and outside of the Palestinian Israeli situation. 2125 02:07:26.760 --> 02:07:28.359 I got to say, I don't know where the next 2126 02:07:28.439 --> 02:07:31.600 fire is going to get lit on the planet, but 2127 02:07:31.720 --> 02:07:33.960 I'm figuring that the US is definitely not going to 2128 02:07:34.000 --> 02:07:36.880 be there to put it out or police it. And 2129 02:07:37.039 --> 02:07:42.560 that is the newest world order. Larry Hancock. Go to 2130 02:07:42.640 --> 02:07:45.479 larrydsh hancock dot com check out as many writings as 2131 02:07:45.600 --> 02:07:49.079 blog everything Larry Hancock. I recommend all of his books 2132 02:07:49.640 --> 02:07:53.399 and an interesting and open discussion here tonight about Ukraine, 2133 02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:57.279 the US foreign policy situation as it is, as it 2134 02:07:57.560 --> 02:08:00.680 was and as it has been reset to. And there 2135 02:08:00.720 --> 02:08:03.159 you go, Ukraine in a nutshell, and I tried not 2136 02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:07.119 to interfere with it at all. And there's Larry Hancock's 2137 02:08:07.319 --> 02:08:10.800 very considered and measured analysis. So we got that and 2138 02:08:10.920 --> 02:08:13.119 Mike Swanson in the first hour to tell us about 2139 02:08:13.159 --> 02:08:17.439 the economy of economics and how bad it might be, 2140 02:08:17.640 --> 02:08:21.279 where it's going and where it's been. What the hell 2141 02:08:21.399 --> 02:08:25.399 we're in a new age. And we'll just see if 2142 02:08:25.399 --> 02:08:28.640 the o'celly effects survives it. After all, you are, indeed 2143 02:08:28.720 --> 02:08:31.119 the effect. I am merely o'celly. And I'll tell you 2144 02:08:31.239 --> 02:08:34.399 this if you don't support me in the next month 2145 02:08:34.520 --> 02:08:36.920 or so. Who knows if I'll be able to pay 2146 02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:39.920 the big bills or not. I guess stay tuned and 2147 02:08:40.039 --> 02:08:43.920 find out if I disappear. Hopefully it's not because I 2148 02:08:44.399 --> 02:08:46.880 ended up being shut down somewhere and stuck in a 2149 02:08:46.920 --> 02:08:50.560 black site, but that might come up depending on how 2150 02:08:50.680 --> 02:08:52.439 crazy it is. I want to go with the next 2151 02:08:52.520 --> 02:08:54.560 set of guests and the next set of topics on 2152 02:08:54.680 --> 02:08:59.680 the show, and what the hell? I guess rock out 2153 02:09:00.079 --> 02:09:09.279 m nuclear holocaust? 2154 02:09:09.560 --> 02:09:10.720 You know what uranium is, right? 2155 02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:14.039 Just think called nuclear weapons and other things like lots 2156 02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:17.239 of you know what uranium is right? Bad things having 2157 02:09:17.319 --> 02:09:20.119 things are done with uranium, including some bad things. 2158 02:09:20.520 --> 02:09:23.159 Nuclear holocaust. You know what uranium is right? 2159 02:09:23.359 --> 02:09:24.199 I have been gree. 2160 02:09:24.279 --> 02:09:26.880 Nuclear holocaust is nuclear holocaust. 2161 02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:28.279 You know what uranium is right? 2162 02:09:28.560 --> 02:09:31.119 They just think called nuclear weapons and other things like 2163 02:09:31.399 --> 02:09:33.399 lots of you know what uranium is right? 2164 02:09:59.079 --> 02:10:01.279 This is James Corbetty Order Report dot Com and you're 2165 02:10:01.319 --> 02:10:03.520 listening to the dot com. 2166 02:10:03.760 --> 02:10:03.920 Cool. 2167 02:10:03.960 --> 02:10:06.880 Do you remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said that 2168 02:10:07.119 --> 02:10:10.560 an Asian secret society was going to dispatch ninjas to 2169 02:10:10.640 --> 02:10:11.920 take down the Illuminati. 2170 02:10:12.159 --> 02:10:15.079 Oh that's interesting, yeah in the clutchroon? 2171 02:10:15.640 --> 02:10:17.119 Yeah did that ever work out too? 2172 02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:17.399 Good. 2173 02:10:17.760 --> 02:10:22.119 No it didn't, did it. But here on o'chelly dot 2174 02:10:22.239 --> 02:10:24.680 com Radio network, things work out a bit better, don't 2175 02:10:24.720 --> 02:10:25.680 they much better? 2176 02:10:26.119 --> 02:10:31.760 Much is clear and understanding about the programs, The programs 2177 02:10:32.439 --> 02:10:35.840 much clearer, getting live people into it. 2178 02:10:36.640 --> 02:10:39.039 They really have a good conversation going. 2179 02:10:39.359 --> 02:10:41.039 Much better, much better scene. 2180 02:10:41.319 --> 02:10:44.520 I say, forget Benjamin Fulford and his ninjas and listen 2181 02:10:44.600 --> 02:10:46.880 to the Ocelly dot com Radio Network. 2182 02:10:47.079 --> 02:10:50.399 I agree, it's straight to the point, straight talk, and 2183 02:10:50.600 --> 02:10:53.239 I like that idea dot com. 2184 02:11:00.319 --> 02:11:01.600 Chill dot com. 2185 02:11:05.399 --> 02:11:06.279 A conversation. 2186 02:11:09.800 --> 02:11:12.840 Do you like history, real history that you were never 2187 02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:17.439 taught in schools? 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