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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Reaves. Ah Yes, indeed.

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Speaker 2: New York, New York for a whole lot of compelling

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boxing this weekend on Dork Friday Night and Saturday Night,

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Women's Trilogy Fight Katie Taylor, Amanda Serrano Friday Night, Huge Card,

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edgar Berlanga, Hams of Shiraz Shakur, Stevenson Williams Ofpada and

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others fighting Saturday Night in Queens Man. We got a

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lot to go over. It is the Big Fight Weekend Preview.

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I am the somewhat competent host, TJ Reeves, Hello, Big Dan,

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Speaker 1: But wait, don't let me bury the lead. Manny Pacquiao

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on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the pac Man, the eight division world champ, the now,

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I have to say it, the now Hall of Famer

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while still active. Right you talked with him. He's on

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the pod coming up. How you doing is if I

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have to ask, I think you're doing pretty good about it.

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Speaker 3: It was good to talk to Manny, as I hadn't

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talked to him since I was there for the last

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fight when he lost to Hugs. So that's four years ago,

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and so it was good to see me sounding good.

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He looked good. I'm excited for people to hear our conversation.

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Speaker 2: All right, So that is coming up in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Fun on the live version.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk to you more than I'm talking to

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my family for the next like four days, and I

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don't know how I feel about that.

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Speaker 3: Let's by the way, I don't know how I feel

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about that either.

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Speaker 2: I got you and your in laws are coming into town,

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and you may relish being around your in laws.

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Speaker 1: Although you get along with your in laws. A lot

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of people don't get along with their in laws.

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Speaker 2: You may get along pretty well with your in laws,

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but you may relish being around them more than you are.

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Speaker 1: You've been talking to me too much.

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Speaker 3: My in laws are wonderful, and we like that.

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Speaker 2: My mother in law is looking for some shoes for

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me and for something else because the Amazon Prime thing

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is going on, and I'm getting messages for her from

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her even while we're doing the pod here about what

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else can I buy for you? My mother in law

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cooks for us. It's it's fantastic. Oh okay, let's get.

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Speaker 1: Into all of it.

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Speaker 2: We'll here from Manny Pachion a few minutes first Friday,

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Friday Friday, as we release this is the Madison Square Garden.

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I don't think it's over hyped to say it is

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the biggest in terms of world title fights, a pay

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per view card that you've had in terms of women's boxing,

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headlined by the Trilogy fight.

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Speaker 3: YEAHJ TJJ, my brother, it ain't pay.

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Speaker 2: Per Well, that's right, it's not. It's Netflix. I'm so

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confused with all the stuff we're doing. It's Netflix, free

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to see with the subscription of Netflix, not a pay

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per view, no additional charge.

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Speaker 3: That's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: And the Taylor Serrano fight, let's just get right into

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it because they've been building it up.

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Speaker 1: I think the argument can be.

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Speaker 2: Made this is the most compelling series of fights and

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probably the most compelling women's main event because of the

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build up of the last couple of years, in the

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previous two fights that we probably ever had.

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Speaker 1: I'm not being hyperbolic.

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Speaker 2: There's this much interest in these two because they had

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two pre great fights and this is the third fight.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: There is no question about that. And I have said

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some outstanding fighters and you know, exciting fighters. There was

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came along, and then a few others. But the thing

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was the fans who were interested in it. They didn't

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have matchups to look forward to, right They talked about

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to watch Christy mart But you never really knew who

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the opponents were. There was no organized titles. There was

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some you know, fringy titles that only did women's boxing.

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some more structure. You combine that with the fact that

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lot more of the athletes got involved than when they

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became professionals. They had the background, so they had much

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more skills than some of the women that I watched

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the point where nobody, I mean some people, if you're

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a diehard Katie Taylor fan, you're like, yeah, I want

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to watch Kati Taylor fight. But really more it's now

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about the matchups. I want to see Taylor Serrano three.

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I want to see you know, MICHAELA. Mayer and Sandy

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think about. So that's where we are now in boxing

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as a sport, in terms of the women's side, it

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has matured, and Katie Taylor and Amanda Toronto have led

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the way in terms of the matchups that people get

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super excited for. Obviously, they have good personalities, divergent personalities.

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with the many, many world championships. Katie's a two division

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on disputed champion. Amanda has the record for having one

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titles and more weight classes than any other woman ever

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in seven and they obviously put on are you believe

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the greatest women's fight of all time in the first fight,

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which may have been matched or bettered in the second fight.

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Sernto having been in some other outstanding fights as well.

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against Erica Cruz was a sick fight. And then you

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take Katie Taylor, who also had other great fights besides

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against Toronto. Her two fights with Chantel Cameron Ye, who

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was also on this undercard, by the way, they were

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fantastic battles. She's been in the Fight of the Year

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for women like three years in a row probably whatever.

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It's been so And the other part about this TJ

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that makes the match so compelling, besides the fact that

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if you're a fan, you don't got to pay extra

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three hundred million people do worldwide, is that both fights

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were super close and both fights, yes, Katie got the wins,

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but a lot of people believe that a man that

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got the win and deserved it as certainly in the

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Speaker 1: My hand is on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she won the second fight at Cowboys Stadium,

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at and T Stadium in front of seventy.

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Speaker 3: Because a man, I mean, because he got the official victory.

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But the reason why that's notable is because I think

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you and I might have talked about this when we

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weren't doing a podcast. In boxing, to make a trilogy

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normally need two significant ingredients. The first fight's got to

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be compelling and dramatic and interesting and exciting, and there's

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a need for a rematch because it was very close.

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And so then the trilogy happens because the second fight

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usually the other person wins, whether it's fight or not,

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so they're one to one, and so the fans, the fighters,

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the maybe media, you're all like, Okay, we need to

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have some clarity, some finality. Let's do it a third time.

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It doesn't have to necessarily happen back to back to back.

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These three fights between Taylor and Surround are not happening

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back to back to back. There was some period of

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time between number one and number two. Two and three

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are going to be back to back. But this is

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different because it's one of those rare trilogies where one

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fighter has won the first two bouts, but because they

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were so awesome in terms of the action, the two

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fighters involved are hall of famers in waiting, and there's

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a lot of people that think that not only should

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it be at least one to one, but frankly, that

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it could be two to oh the other direction, and

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then you have the fact that the business side of

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things makes it that the people at Netflix saw the

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dramatic viewership for just the women's fight that took place

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on the overall card of Mike Tyson against Jake Paul,

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which that fight itself was huge, but the women in

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the co feuture position did numbers that made their head spin,

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so they decided to invest and do their rematch. I

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don't know if it's going to draw the same number

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as the second fight, just for the mere fact that

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there is no Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight there, but

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it still should do. And they're also not paying as

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much compared to that fight. But the point is it

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should do. As their second ever boxing event. It's gotten

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a lot of publicity. You know, the advertising on social

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media for this event is everywhere I have popped on

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Instagram or any places like that, you know, Twitter and stuff.

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I've seen advertising for it, and these two ladies are

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pumped up to do it. They both made weight. By

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the way, they're gonna do the ceremonial way in, uh,

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we're doing this a little bit before that ceremonial way

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in they'll they did the official way in earlier in

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the day. The interesting thing to me, TJ is that

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even though technically it's it's a man to who has

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been fighting more predominantly in the lower way class. Remember

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she's still the featherweight champion. Even though her last fight

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was also one forty. For Katie's titles, she actually weighed

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in a little bit heavier than Katy Taylor. So the

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max is one forty. Sarrano weighed in at one thirty

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six and Katie was like one thirty five and changed.

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one to forty title. And again, I don't have no

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idea you could possibly think it's not going to be

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another fantastic fight.

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Speaker 1: I agreed.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully there's no situation like what happened in the second

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fight where there was that awful head butt that caused.

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Speaker 1: I was just go I was just going there.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's one of the compelling things to watch

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right away, because Jake, Paul and Serrano were complaining before

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the second fight, and obviously I'll use the you love

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the colorful vocabulary vociferously. They were complaining vociferously after the

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second fight that Katie Taylor leads with her head and does.

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Speaker 1: This two opponents all the time.

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Speaker 2: So that's one of the compelling things that I'm ready

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to watch in this fight, is how is that handled

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if it happens again here, because you know, it's been

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a big backdrop in both of these fighters, lots of volume,

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not a ton of defense from either one of them.

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They'll stand toe to toe. I still remember that the

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night we were and we were at a location watching

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the Netflix broadcast of that show, and I kept saying

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to all the guys that are around that were fooling around,

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farting around, I'm like, this upcoming women's fight may be

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the best fight of the entire night. You need to

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drop whatever you're doing, get off your phone, stop farting around,

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gambling on whatever you're gambling on last year, football, baseball, whatever.

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I'm like, pay attention to this women's fight. And I

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had like at least two of them that did not

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know anything about Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano, and they're like,

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holy crap, and out of content acted both of them

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I think that's a big part of it, So stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: I think they're slowly going to get that, and.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any way that it's not entertaining.

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that Serrano is gonna get it this time. That either

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a because Katie is a bit older thirty nine and

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had us so many hard fights. I mean, a man

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what the two fights did to Katie. Combined with the

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two fights against Cameron, those were horror Those were hard,

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hard fights that she splits. She got her first loss

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in the first fight, avenged it and won the title

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in the second fight. So yeah, entertainment for sure. To

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is is the the I want Casey complaining but the

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continuously pointing out from Amanda saying that in the ring.

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third fight, they would do it at the twelve round

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limit for three minute rounds rather than the ten and

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two the way the women typically do for championship fights,

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and at the end, Katie Taylor was like, look, I won,

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So Surrono took it. But so that's and they have

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they're all done with their rivalry, whatever happens on Friday Night,

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they're going to be friendly and they'll they'll be able

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to tell the war stories with each other. But right

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now that that's causing some tension for sure, and it

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is I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting that when you start looking at trilogies,

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and I mean, if this is as hotly contested and

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wild and lots of punches and action and drama, you

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bit as memorable. I know men's boxing is on a

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different level, but it's going to be every bit as

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memorable for the three fights as some of the other

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trilogies we've seen, whether you're talking about Barrera Morales, War

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got Ward, Ali Fraser, any trilogy of fights, you will

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if this one delivers and we think that it probably will.

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who I've had occasion to talk to before, been a

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long time broadcaster. He's done a little MMA stuff. I

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don't know if he's done much boxing. He's on the call.

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and you mentioned Leila Ali. They will be on the

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call of this entire car and real quick just mention

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for Friday Night again, this is Friday Night kids, as

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we do the preview pod, a couple of other world

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title fights that will lead into the trilogy.

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Speaker 3: More than that, and just one other thing before I

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get to that. It was announced that the press conference

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during this week that taking a page out of sort

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of the MMA book or the UFC book, is that

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Nikisa Bedarin, who is the co founder along with Jake

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Caul of MVP Promotions, announced that we'll have a two

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hundred and fifty one thousand dollars performance bonus to the

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to the fighter of the night that will go to

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somebody on this card and Amanda was like, hey, Katie

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and I are making a ton of money, it should

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definitely go to one of the other girls, you know.

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Bud He was like, Nope, that doesn't make it fair.

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And so at the end of the night, somebody's gonna

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get two hundred fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: But they're doing a fan vote as part of part.

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Speaker 3: Of the vote. No, I'm just getting to that. So

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it'll be decided between Jake Paul who's the promoter, Nikisa

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Madarian who's the other promoter, his partner, and lail Aali

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who you just mentioned. And so the question was, well,

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what if you all three disagree, because there's a lot

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of fights, then laid Ali will have the final say.

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So listen if you're if you're fighting, these women are

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making good purses. But I don't know any of these

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ladies that wouldn't like to have an extra two to

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fifty if they put on a great fight. That's, of course,

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trying to encourage a good.

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Speaker 2: Action because most of them, as you mentioned, most of

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them on the tier down below the main event, aren't

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making hundreds of thousands.

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Speaker 3: They are a lot of these ladies aren't all right,

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but typically and Katie and Soronto.

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Speaker 2: Are making a million millions and they should and again

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full credit to Jake Paul, say whatever you want about

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all of the side show and all of the stuff.

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I mean, this is significant money doled out and it

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is a big deal, and they're gonna have probably a

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full building and it's an all ladies show.

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Speaker 3: And I wish you would offer a two hundred and

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fifty thousand dollars performance bonus for Shavis Junior throw.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, all right, real quick on the other fights,

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and then we got to move on because we're gonna

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get the Many Pachiel.

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Speaker 3: So there's a total of six world title fights on

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the show. Five of them are legitimate world titles. One

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of them is an interim title. So just to run down,

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besides the main event, which is obviously a great fight,

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you have the one hundred and thirty pounds undisputed champion

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Alisa Bomgarner. She's taken on Jennifer Miranda, and I will

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say this Bombgarder, who recently signed with MVP, had one

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hundred and thirty pounds, that she's not going to be

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that much smaller than a serrano. Like I feel like

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whoever wins the main event certainly could see Bombgarner in

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their future as as an opponent, because most of these

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women do not have big problems going up or down

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and wait, and she has the kind of frame that

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would perfectly support one hundred and forty pounds, no problem anyway.

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There's that. Then you have this is an IBFWBO unification fight,

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Savannah Marshall whose only loss is against Claressa Shields. She's

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taken on to Days Agreen. That's if you like women's boxing,

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that actually looks like it's a very interesting matchup. Then

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you have a unification fight for the IBF, the WBO

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and the WBC titles at one hundred and twenty two

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pounds junior featherweight. That's Elie Scottni against Yemleth Mercado. Then

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you have Ternika Johnson from Australia. She's taken on Sharretta Metcalf.

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This is a unification fight where the winner will become

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the undisputed bantamweight champion. And then on the then so

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those are that's the main card. There are preliminaries that

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start on Netflix at five. They will have some other

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fights also, and this is the last of those preliminaries.

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That's Chantel Cameron, who I mentioned, who had those two

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amazing fights against Katie Taylor. She is currently the WBC's

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interim Junior welterweight champion and she's defending that title against

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Jessica Kamara. Perhaps there might be a trilogy fight in

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Katie Taylor's future against Cameron if they win those fights.

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So that is a pretty if you're again, if you're

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women's boxing, it's not even up for argument. There's literally

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nothing to compare it to. There have been other all

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women cards in the past, but there's nothing that comes

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close to this in terms of the caliber of titles

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and the caliber of the women on the card because Taylor, Serrano, Bombgardner,

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Savannah Shadeza, like a lot of these women camera, these

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are all people that if you were making like a

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women's pound for poundless, they're all on that list. So

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again for women's boxing, this is like one of the

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in terms of interest, is card of all time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in being hyperbolic, but no, no, no, But in

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terms of interest, it certainly has the most hype and

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the most interest of any women's boxing cards that you

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could have ever conjured up over the last twenty or

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thirty years. So let's see what it does. Let's see

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what we'll see if it delivers. And again it's on

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Netflix on Friday night, as we do the preview pod.

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All right, but wait, you don't even have to leave

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the You do have to probably maybe leave the area code,

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or do you have to leave the area code. You

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don't have to leave the vicinity because in New York

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on Saturday night in Flushing, Queens at the US Tennis

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Center at the Louis Armstrong Stadium, unique event, unique venue,

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unique event for the Ring magazine, his own pay per view,

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which has Edgar Berlanga and Hams of sharraz in a

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super middleweight eliminator for the WBC, along with Shakur Stevenson

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defending his WBC lightweight title against William Z Ofpata. All right,

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let's run through. They've had the press conferences on Thursday.

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You talked with Berlanga recently. I know Shakhor has been

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on the media tour in and around New York all

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week hyping this thing up. This is the following night,

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This is Saturday night, as we preview it, So go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well, Berlanga is a new Yorker is a Puerto Rican fighter,

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and Sharaz and him have been talking a lot of

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shit ever since this fight was made. Sharraz is coming

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up in wait. He came off of a pretty terrible performance,

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quite frankly, in what was a rule they draw when

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he challenged colors In Damas for the WBC's midleweight title.

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A lot of people like you thought that a Damas

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deserved to win that fight, and many people do. But

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he is moving up. What I find interesting about his

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rise to one hundred and sixty eight pounds is that

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when you match them up from a just a physical dimensions,

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Sharaz is the bigger guy. He's taller, he's longer. But

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Berlang has been in a super middleweight division for his

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whole career. He's known as a very heavy puncher. He

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has a ton of knockouts. He's coming off a first

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round knockout win, not against a good opponent, but that

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was a way to for him to bounce back from

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what was perceived by most people as a much better

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than expected performance, granted in a loss where he got

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knocked down, but when he challenged Canelo for the unified

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title back in September, of last year. So there's a

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lot at stake here because of the fact that it

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is the eliminator and because Turkey al Chic, who's putting

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on this card, works with Canelo. Should Canelo win against

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Karen Crawford and still be the undisputed super middleweight champion,

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he has a you know, he's not a much tighter

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relationship with Shiraz and when one of the ways that

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they sort of convinced Shiraz to take this matchup by

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coming to fight in Edgar's hometown was hey, win the

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fight and I've got you on the on the dock

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and for a Canelo fight that he owes me two

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of them in twenty twenty six, so you know, and

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lude reading the tea leaves you know, depending on how

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other mandatory things shake out, it would not be out

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of the realm of possibility to look at a twenty

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twenty six schedule for Canelo Alvarez where he fight fights

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in May in September, where one opponent could be potentially

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a Sharaz if he wins, one could be potentially a

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Chris you Bank if he wins his rematch with Connor Ben.

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He got my ability sitting out there so the main event. Look,

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it should be a fun action fight. Sharaz is not

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a guy that runs and hides. Berlanga same thing to me.

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It's who can take the other guy's shot. I mean,

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Berlanga has shown a good chin. He's got dropped by Canelo,

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but so have tons of guys and they've they've built

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it up and it is Scott's stakes because the eliminator factor.

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The one good thing I think in terms of the venue,

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which has been sort of criticized by some people because

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it's not a common boxing location that people are not

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familiar with. It is if the weather is oppressive, if

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it's raining, which is in the forecast that's going to

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be very hot. It does have a retractable roof, so

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perhaps they'll put that up and make it a lot

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more comfortable for everybody that is there. But so you know,

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people can argue and quarrel about whether they think that

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the quality of a Shiraz and Berlanga fight, which is

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a good fight, Some have said it shouldn't be the

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main event of a pay per view.

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Speaker 2: I will join in that it shouldn't be the main

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event over the next fight we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, But I'm just making the point that if

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you take the paper, you element and put it aside

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and you just assess it based on the quality of

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the card overall. Yes, it's a good card. There's no doubt.

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You mentioned about the next fight. So the co feature

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is Charquar Stevenson. Now I know you think that that

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should be the main event. I will tell you the

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reason why a Berlanga was like, I'm not fighting about

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if I'm not the main event number one, number two,

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you're not going to put Chakor in the main event

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in the other guy's hometown. Number two and number three,

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fair or not fair. Chakor's reputation as a fighter that

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has sends a lot of the fans for the exits

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00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:00,200
before his fights are over is not a good thing

472
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,640
because his fights have not been entertaining largely over the

473
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,519
last couple of years. So all that added together and

474
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:07,400
then you got a big ship.

475
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: I understand.

476
00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:09,039
Speaker 3: I understand that.

477
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,559
Speaker 2: I understand the business part of it, and Berlanga's been

478
00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:13,400
selling it hard. He was selling it with you, he

479
00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:16,079
was selling it with Oscar de la Jolla throwing lingerie

480
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,720
at him. I don't know if you've been at a

481
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,960
press conference where a fighter through lingerie at the other

482
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:22,759
promoter of another fighter.

483
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: I don't think I've been that for but I was

484
00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:25,960
at I was at a way in once when Oscar

485
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,160
fought Fernando Vargas where there was women in the upper

486
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,680
decamandally throwing bras.

487
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I think you did share that before.

488
00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:34,000
All right, So I get it for all the business

489
00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,880
reading reasons. But from the pure boxing standpoint, Shakure is

490
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,160
a three division world champ and this guy's legit Zapeida

491
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,759
as the as the top lightweight contender. I am I'm

492
00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:46,759
just saying this for me, I am more interested in

493
00:22:46,759 --> 00:22:48,680
that fight. I am more interested in what happens in

494
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,359
that fight. But go ahead, continue with the previews.

495
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: Well good, that means that you can go to bed

496
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,000
earlier because it will be over sooner.

497
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: Well no, but I mean I'm I'm not saying that

498
00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:58,920
we are going to do a live show. I'm going

499
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,279
to watch the main event, but I'm just saying I'm

500
00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:03,799
more interested in this one because I really the argument

501
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,680
can be made this is the first time that Shakur

502
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:09,000
is in there at least in a year or more.

503
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:10,519
Maybe in a couple of years with a guy that

504
00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:12,920
can legitimately beat him in Zepeieda.

505
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,519
Speaker 1: I believe that.

506
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,079
Speaker 3: What do you think, Look, it's to me, it's who

507
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,960
can impose the style. You can't find two different styles

508
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,960
than these two guys. Because Shakur is a brilliant boxer,

509
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,599
tremendous speed, hand, end foot, incredibly smart fighter in the ring,

510
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:29,440
great amateur background. It was an Olympic silver medal winner,

511
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,759
has been undefeated, you mentioned, been in the ring and

512
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:34,640
won titles in three different weight classes. And it's not

513
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,880
just about you know, it's one thing to win titles

514
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,640
in different weight classes. But he's fought a lot of

515
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,920
quality fighters. I mean he fought you know, good quality pros,

516
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,039
Jamel Herring. He won a unification against Oscar Valdez when

517
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,799
Oscar was called undefeated hostinconsasat who was a long time contender.

518
00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:51,720
You know. In as horrible as the fight was against

519
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:53,400
Endwin Delos Santos, there was a lot of people that

520
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,559
thought that maybe del Santos would be able to score

521
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:58,440
a knockout and do his damage there. He fought Joet Gonzalz,

522
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,799
a veteran fighter who was challenge now for the title

523
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,440
three different times, so you know, Chris Diaz, I mean

524
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,279
those are not in necessarily superstars, but these are quality

525
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,079
and tender type professional guys, and he hasn't just beaten them.

526
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,319
He's done so without there being any debate or dispute

527
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,039
because he's done it so easily in these fights. So

528
00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:20,559
he does have that going for him. But on the

529
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,160
entertainment value part of it, a lot of people hate

530
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,640
his fights because he uses all those skills and he

531
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,839
doesn't let the other guy touch him, and sometimes he

532
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,519
might move a little bit too much rather than take

533
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:31,839
a step forward, and so they look back at the

534
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:33,559
fight with a Delo Santos, which is one of the

535
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,960
worst fucking fights in the history of boxing. His follow

536
00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,440
up fight against Artam Hartunian, which took place in Newark,

537
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,519
which is his own hometown. He won that fight going away.

538
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,079
And by the way, the common thread between the De

539
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,279
Loo Santos fight and that Hartunian fight is that the

540
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,519
fans were leaving before the fight was over, and that

541
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,240
is never a good thing, and that's why he's not

542
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:54,799
the main event. So whatever you think about the matchup five,

543
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,200
but Zapeida, who's a guy that's completely the opposite. They're

544
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,799
both south bas by the way, but completely the opposite

545
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,680
in terms of the style. The paid his offense is

546
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,640
his defense because he throws a hundred punches around type

547
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,559
of guy, constant pressure, come forward, bully you to death,

548
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,759
just try to get anything in. Doesn't matter if it

549
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:13,200
hits you in the face and the arm and the

550
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,240
leg you know, hopefully not the leg.

551
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: But time, big time volume puncher, we expect it.

552
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 3: So who can impose the style? Can he can? He

553
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:25,440
can can chakor control him with the brilliance of the

554
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,559
movement and the speed and the skills and the and

555
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:31,240
the intelligence to sort of know where to go and

556
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,279
and and where to where to plant himself in the ring?

557
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,839
Or is it's a pay to just that all out aggression?

558
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,839
Can whatever Skur is doing just run him over basically

559
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,039
is what he's going to be looking to do.

560
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:40,599
Speaker 4: Uh.

561
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: And so whoever is successful at doing their version better

562
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,200
is probably going to be the winner of the fight. Now,

563
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,720
I've been watching boxing a long time. Most of the

564
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,480
time and we can find exceptions for any role there is.

565
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,960
But most of the time, if you are a super

566
00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,559
outstanding supreme boxer, you're probably gonna win. And so I

567
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,759
always think about fights like, and this is to me,

568
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:05,319
this is maybe it's because I covered it, and it

569
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,440
was like first time I realized this, I was like, yeah,

570
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,519
that was a bad pick for me. Was Mayweather Carrales

571
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:14,440
Corrals was destroying everybody, knocking everybody out, had a much

572
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,720
bigger h size in Floyd, and Floyd was not a

573
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,240
big knockout puncher. And Floyd was a mover, and Floyd

574
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,720
liked to use his skills and when it came pushed

575
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,480
to shove, Floyd undressed him, scored five knockdowns and one

576
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,160
on a stoppage amazingly. And so I always think to

577
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,960
myself and Floyd said this to me personally, Floyd has

578
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,759
said it to everybody who's listening. Skills pay the bills.

579
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,559
And at the end of the day, shar course Stevenson

580
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,480
is the more skillful fighter. So that's probably why he's

581
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,279
going to be the favorite. And Zapaida, who is a

582
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,279
tremendously exciting fighter for the most time, if you look

583
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,519
at what he's done recently. Now, Chakor did not light

584
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,759
things up in de los Santos or hard tuning in.

585
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,880
He did get the knockout against Padley in February. Padley

586
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,559
was coming off of taking the fight on this Ladies

587
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,200
and Goofield dropped out, So you know, you know, that's

588
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,359
not su course fault that he thought a guy that

589
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,279
was not the original opponent on such a short notice.

590
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,759
But he did get the stoppage, did so with body

591
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,559
shots and dropped him three times, and so from an

592
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,519
offensive point of view, that was nice to see from

593
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,680
Sha Court for a change. Zapeida obviously a bunch better

594
00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:20,799
offensive fighter than Badley, but let's be real, he was

595
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:25,839
in brutal competitive, not brutal but super competitive either way

596
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,640
kind of fights in his last two bouts. A ten

597
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:32,319
round decision split decision against Farmer that was back in November.

598
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,200
Then he had an immediate rematch that took place in

599
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,160
March that was a twelve rounder. He eked out a

600
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,400
twelve round decision that when that was a majority decision.

601
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,359
So he's been basically life and death and knocked down

602
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,480
by Tevin Farmer in the first fight and then again

603
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:47,960
another super close fight in the second fight. So if

604
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,359
you're coming off those two type of performance against Tevin Farmer,

605
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,440
who's a good boxer, but he's not on the level

606
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,960
of a shir Course Stevenson and a little bit older

607
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,319
and a little bit more, you know, closer to the end,

608
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,759
let's say, than the beginning. That was give one pause

609
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:04,559
in my mind to think, is when Zepaida stepped up.

610
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:07,559
It's one thing to do what he does against Mercito

611
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,960
Hesta and Maxy Hughes and other guys that he has fought,

612
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,279
Giovanni Cabrera and just run them over.

613
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,559
Speaker 1: None none of those guys are Shakur Stevens and I know.

614
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,759
Speaker 3: And Farmer was a step up from those guys, and

615
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:21,079
Farmer gave him help. So I'm just making the point

616
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,200
that that maybe people are overrating Zapeida because his blitz krieg,

617
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,640
let's say, of those other fighters with that offense has

618
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,160
been so devastating, you're forgetting that he had life in

619
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,160
depth former he.

620
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: Did, and he had a hand injury in the first

621
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,039
fight as well, and got knocked down as you mentioned,

622
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:37,720
And I thought Farmer won that fight.

623
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: What do I know?

624
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,039
Speaker 2: But the other thing that is compelling about is what

625
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,400
happens if he tagged Shakur. If if it's the question

626
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,079
that then we start to find some things out. If

627
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,559
that happens, what happens if he tags him. How to

628
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:52,240
Shakur react? What happens from the remainder of the fight,

629
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:53,200
that's the intrigue.

630
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,079
Speaker 3: The one thing about you, Core is throughout his first

631
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,240
uh you know, twenty he's twenty three to oh. Through

632
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,599
his first twenty three fights of his career, he has

633
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,000
yet to be hit with that punch, So we really

634
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,880
don't know how he's going to react. But for his sake,

635
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:09,519
he is one of the single most brilliant boxers in

636
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:11,920
the entire sport. If you take a look, and I

637
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,559
believe that this is an important factor, when you look

638
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,160
at the copybox defensive metrics, he's off the charts, just

639
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,720
doesn't get hit. But again, it's like the old saying

640
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,720
from our good pal Deontay Wilder. You know, the other

641
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,519
guy has to be perfect for twelve rounds. I only

642
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,839
be perfect for one second when I land my punch.

643
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:30,759
And that's what this is about.

644
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: All right, Stay tuned on that one rest of the

645
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,359
card real quick, and we're getting the Manny Pacquiao upcoming

646
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,240
with Dan what else for the Ring pay per view

647
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,319
on his own Saturday night.

648
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: So the other two top fights of the main card

649
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,160
are Alberto Pueo, who is an undefeated fighter who was

650
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,799
the WBC's one hundred and forty pounds champion, who's coming

651
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,079
off of a split decision against sand Or Martin, who

652
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:55,480
was a tricky you know, a guy that loves to

653
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,519
move and do his thing. He also had a split

654
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:01,279
decision against Gary Antoine Russell, which was when he got

655
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,640
the interim belt. But anyway, he's stepping up again against

656
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,200
super Elle Matias, who's not a tricky fighter. His style

657
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:10,680
is just extremely basic. But similarly to us, the paid

658
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,599
that he's an offensive minded, big time knockout puncher who

659
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,480
you know, can knock out anybody, and and that that

660
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:19,559
makes this very intriguing because Pueo, you know, I may

661
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,680
have underrated him a little bit. I've never been that high.

662
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,880
I don't think he's made like the greatest fights, don't

663
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,200
think he's got the greatest skills. Seems kind of beatable,

664
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,559
but just you know, kind of finds a way to

665
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,240
get the wins. And Mattias, you know, he's twenty two

666
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,960
and two, but all twenty two of his knockouts or

667
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,279
he's got twenty two knockouts in his twenty two wins,

668
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,920
and you know, to me. That's it's I don't know

669
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,440
how this is gonna go, because he can if he

670
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:42,960
touches you, you can knock out anybody.

671
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:44,519
Speaker 1: What Mattias do we have.

672
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: Do we have the matias that has shown the power

673
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,359
and gotten wins, or do we have the matias that

674
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,839
I don't know if he took like an ambient or

675
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:55,839
what happened, but Liam Paro embarrassed him in his own hometown. Yeah,

676
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,839
for twelve rounds. Which Mattias are we getting?

677
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: Who was in the fighter the year type all action

678
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:05,559
shootout with with jeremiahs Ponce when he won the IBF

679
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:09,119
title in twenty twenty three in a spectacular performance and

680
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,559
when he ran rough shot over Ergushev in a defense

681
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,519
and then he had the power fight where he lost.

682
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:15,319
I mean, I don't know which guys showed up. He's

683
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:17,759
won two fights since then, but he's not fought you know,

684
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:20,359
top top guys. He's fought like decent sort of second

685
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,640
tier guys in Ramirez and Uh and Uh and Valezuela

686
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,559
and they were both knocked out wins, and they were

687
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:28,279
actually one was real early. One was a little bit

688
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:29,680
closer to you know, like the eighth round of a

689
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,319
ten rounder, take the back of a twelve rounder. Those

690
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,279
were in Puerto Rico, where he's from. So he's stepping

691
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,640
back up, and you know, who the heck knows this is.

692
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,799
This is a good interesting matchup. It kind of came

693
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,119
out of the blue. It's not a mandated fight or

694
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,680
anything like that. But you take a champion who's on

695
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,119
the feedting, you put him in with a quality guy

696
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:48,519
that used to be a champion, and you hope that

697
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,359
the that the sparks come together and they make a

698
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:53,000
good fight. And so that's that's the fight that will

699
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
come before the Shakurt fight and then the opening fight

700
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:57,799
of the main card. I find this to be a

701
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,759
fascinating fight. You got David Morrell, who had held you know,

702
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,160
second tier WBA titles at super middleweight and light heavyweight,

703
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,079
who's coming off the February loss. His first defeat against

704
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:11,519
David Benavidez. Was a good fight, but obviously Benavidez was

705
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,440
the clear winner of that fight. And Morell is still

706
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,119
a young guy. He's only twenty seven years old. He's

707
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,680
only into his is what, his thirteenth professional fight, but

708
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,599
he comes out of that Cuban background he had that

709
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,079
amateur time in Cuba and obviously they have produced, you know,

710
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,279
any number of tremendous talented boxers. But he's taken on

711
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,079
a Russian fighter named AmAm Kadiyev who now lives in Australia,

712
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:35,079
but he's promoted by the Canadian outfit Eye the Tiger.

713
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,240
He's a ten and zero with nine knock and you

714
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,880
look at the records and they are basically the same.

715
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,359
He's a couple of years older than Morrell, but he's

716
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,839
also he got an even bigger amateur career. This was

717
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,680
a twenty twenty Russian Olympic bronze medal winner and he's

718
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,079
been on the fast track for a long time. I

719
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,759
had him on my prospect list a couple of years ago,

720
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,720
or maybe last year. I kind of made an exception

721
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:57,039
because even though he was thirty, he only did have

722
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,279
very many fights, and you know, I just have loved

723
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,759
watching him. He's just he's an exciting fighter. This has

724
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,480
like to me, this is like this is for the

725
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,680
true diehards. This fight, This is like a sleeper kind

726
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,079
of fight on this cart. I think this could be

727
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,119
very explosive and you know, we will see who comes through.

728
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,279
Because the guy that wins. This fight is definitely, you know,

729
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:18,240
in a great spot in the light heavyweight division. It's

730
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,920
not any kind of like official eliminator. It's a ten rounder,

731
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,200
a morell win. He's right back in the picture in

732
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:29,039
Acadie of when he announces himself on on besides just

733
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,440
to the dorks like us that we're watching him like

734
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,160
on you know, ESPN plus Undercards, this is a very

735
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,079
interesting fight to me.

736
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,559
Speaker 1: You called me a dork as lovingly as possible.

737
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,559
Speaker 2: One one other note we spent we mentioned the broadcasters

738
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:45,960
for the Netflix show. Jim Lampley is now on the

739
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,160
call of the two main fights here doing a deal

740
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,400
earlier this week. It hadn't been worked out to earlier

741
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:51,759
this week.

742
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't even earlier this week. It was on Wednesday night,

743
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,079
I guess is when they got it wrapped up and

744
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,279
Jim has gone to New York to call the fights.

745
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:02,319
My understanding is, and the Ring magazine puts something out

746
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,119
about this which comes from Turkey, so I'm sure it's

747
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,480
accurate from that standpoint that Jim will call uh them

748
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,239
the chakor and and briangabouts the co feature and the

749
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,800
main event and Todd Grisham, who was obviously a regular

750
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,920
broadcaster for his own He will be doing the blow

751
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,119
by blow for the earlier two fights, which is morel

752
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,599
Katia and Peo against Mattias, but sometimes with Turkey things

753
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,400
changed at the last minute, so that's what seems to

754
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,199
be at the moment. Who the heck really knows, but

755
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,400
I'm that the end result is anytime you got Jim

756
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,000
Lampley back calling boxing matches, it's a good thing.

757
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: We love.

758
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: His performance on the May second card in Times Square

759
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:40,840
was a lot more well received than the fights.

760
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: He deserves a mulligan after having to sit through that

761
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,079
for the fights he hasn't He hasn't broadcasted in what

762
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,880
six years?

763
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: It was ish six and a half years.

764
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: He had not done a boxing match since December of

765
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,039
twenty eighteen.

766
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 2: Eight, and those are the fights he was given. He

767
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,400
deserves a mulligan to and hopefully gets two paper.

768
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: They were probably decent fights, but it turned out to

769
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,880
be terrible. But he did a good job, so he's back.

770
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,400
He's a Hall of Famer. To me, I say this

771
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,719
all the time. He's the greatest blow by blow announcer

772
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,320
in the history of boxing, and I'm glad he's back,

773
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,880
just would have. I'm kind of surprised it took to

774
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,119
the last minute to get something done.

775
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:13,199
Speaker 1: They worked it out, all right.

776
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: I figure you want to give a guy time to, like,

777
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,360
at least do his homework and study what he needs

778
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,920
to do to know the fighters and the guys he's

779
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,400
gonna call. But nonetheless, I'm happy to happy to hear

780
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,880
him in if they're splitting up the workload between him

781
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,559
and Grisham. Grisam obviously he is a good throw by

782
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:30,400
blowoutso nothing wrong with that.

783
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: I was with Todd out in Anaheim on the Jake

784
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,400
Paul card there as well, as he called that for

785
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:39,159
his owne all right, so all good. On the preview mode,

786
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,079
Shall we get to the Hall of Famer Manny.

787
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,639
Speaker 1: Paciow, Oh not Jim Lampley, Not Jim Lampley.

788
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: Shall we get to the pac man who gets ready

789
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,800
to fight on July nineteenth, not this weekend, but next

790
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,159
weekend in Las Vegas against Mario Barrios.

791
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: Hear him with Dan right now?

792
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 3: What is my distinct pleasure to be joined on the

793
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,320
podcast this week by the legendary eighth Division World Champion,

794
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,239
Hall of Famer, the Great many, Paco and Manny, I

795
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,800
didn't expect to be doing another interview with you prior

796
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,440
to a fight, but you have decided to exit your

797
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,960
retirement after four years. You are back in the United

798
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000
States to take on Mario Barrios. The challenge in for

799
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:21,280
the WBC Welterweight world title to take place July nineteenth,

800
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,840
alive on Prime Video, pay per view, and PPV dot com.

801
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,559
Pretty much your second home, the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

802
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,639
So thank you so much for doing this Many and

803
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,639
I guess welcome back.

804
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 4: To thank you for for this. Fortunately, and I'm bock

805
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,239
you're back.

806
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 3: So I guess the first question. I know you've been

807
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,159
asked this since you've made this decision, as you've gone

808
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,360
through the training camp and been preparing for the fight.

809
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,000
But the simple question is what was your motivation and

810
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,039
why did you decide to exit your retirement come back

811
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:48,800
to the boxing ring?

812
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,199
Speaker 5: Okay, So I think because of my passion, my passion

813
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,039
of boxing, and I still have that.

814
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: Fire in my in my herd, in my mind, my

815
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:02,400
eyes to.

816
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 5: Work hard and excuse to work hard and discipline.

817
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 4: I love.

818
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 5: I missed those days that you know during training come

819
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,559
promoting the fight like that, like this interview with media

820
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:17,920
like that.

821
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 4: So I missed those days.

822
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,599
Speaker 3: There are some people that and I understand what you're saying.

823
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:26,480
You know, it's hard to give up, I guess. But

824
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,760
some have suggested that it's financially motivated, that many pack

825
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,840
needs the money and he's only coming out of the

826
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,039
retirement because he wants to get a big paycheck. Can

827
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,039
you address that? Is that true? I'm sure that money's

828
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,159
part of it, but I don't know if I believe

829
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:38,079
it's the whole part of it.

830
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,119
Speaker 4: I'm just selling this. Like the first motivation is like,

831
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,679
I want to be a champion again. I wanted.

832
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: Eight times, wasn't enough.

833
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 5: No, I want to break my record like the oldest

834
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:57,039
well they were champions.

835
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 3: You've already been the oldest welterweight champion.

836
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to break my own record and also

837
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,079
uh uh to put a new record for being ah

838
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:16,880
after Hall of Fame inductee A So.

839
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,559
Speaker 3: So that that's my next That was my next question.

840
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:19,719
First of all, congratulations on your Hall of Fame induction.

841
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,119
It was my my great pleasure to vote for you. Uh.

842
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,719
There there have been there have been a few fighters

843
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,280
who have been inducted into the Hall of Fame who

844
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,440
have then later decided to come back and fight Sugary

845
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:33,960
Leonard as a great example for one, and there are others,

846
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,639
but it has never happened where a person has been

847
00:38:36,639 --> 00:38:39,519
inducted into the Hall of Fame and before they even

848
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:42,079
had their induction already had another fight schedule. So when

849
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,079
you were doing the ceremony, which is supposed to sort

850
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:46,599
of be the end of the road for boxing where

851
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,559
you look back on a wonderful career and uh and

852
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:53,079
uh give your memories and recollections of that, you did that,

853
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,760
but you're also preparing for the fight. So did you

854
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,480
really have sort of uh the the the chances to

855
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:03,360
truly joy the whole taking everything about the Hall of

856
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,800
Fame because you still had to get back to training

857
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,960
camp for another boxing match.

858
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 5: I'm enjoying it of being inductive of Hall of Fame

859
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:18,280
like a big prestige and man, big owner. And also

860
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:25,000
it gives me more inspiration on determination to work hard

861
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,280
and doing the championship again because they that's I think

862
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:39,280
nobody nobody want uh world title after the induction, after

863
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,280
the reduction of Hall of Fame.

864
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,159
Speaker 3: That is that is true guys that have come back,

865
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,840
but I don't think anybody has actually one title, So

866
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,760
that's a good point. Do you when you decide to

867
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,920
make this, uh, this return, did you really? I mean

868
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,639
I know you want you said the opportunity to become

869
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:57,199
a champion again. Do you though view it as a

870
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,719
one fight comeback or might you continue on after this

871
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,159
depending on how things go on July nineteenth.

872
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 4: I gotta say more fights, but one at a time.

873
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:10,599
Speaker 5: What I'm doing right now is like one one, one

874
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,920
at a time, Like you know, when you my goal

875
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,159
right and I was like, I want, I want to

876
00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:18,400
be a chime on one again.

877
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,199
Speaker 3: When you came from the Philippines back to California to

878
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,280
go return to the wild Card, uh, and you got

879
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,840
there and I talked to them, like, you know fred Sternberg,

880
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,519
your longtime publicist, and Sean Gibbons who works with you

881
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:33,280
at MP Promotions, and your right hand man, that when

882
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,119
you arrived at the Wildcard for like the first time

883
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,320
to see Freddy since the last fight against Ugus, I

884
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,920
guess you guys hadn't seen each other in the four

885
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,400
years that it was like nothing, no time had passed,

886
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,920
and it was like instantaneous, just we're back in the group.

887
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,960
Can you describe to me what it was like to

888
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,000
sort of be back where you'd spend so many, probably

889
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,760
thousands of hours training for your fights over the last

890
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,639
almost twenty five years.

891
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 5: The time that I'm back in wild Card, Like, do

892
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,000
you say, hello, oh, I had my my my trainer,

893
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:07,639
Red Roads, and we meet each other, we miss each other,

894
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:11,000
and then and then uh we talk about the fight

895
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,000
and talk about the Trading Cup.

896
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: You know, it's nice to uh.

897
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:23,559
Speaker 5: Uh to have you know, the work back again with

898
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,639
imp pretty the whole time, boo boy, justin and the rest.

899
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: When I was looking at the matchup and I looked

900
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,960
at you know, because every you know, a big part

901
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,480
of the fight, man is of course the fact that

902
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,960
you're forty six and haven't fought for the last four years.

903
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,199
But what if I what do you think when I

904
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,760
tell you that that when you had your professional debut

905
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,360
in nineteen ninety five, that was a few months before

906
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,559
Mario Barrios was born, and then now you're going to

907
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,159
fight a man who wasn't even alive when you started

908
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:55,119
your professional career.

909
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 6: What do you think about when I say that, I

910
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,480
can imagine well.

911
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: What do you think about Barrios. I mean, he's he's

912
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,159
an exciting champion. He's been in some excellent fights. His

913
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:10,800
last fight, which was a draw, was a Fight of

914
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,719
the Year contender. He's been willing to fight the top guys.

915
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,000
He had, uh faced other quality opponents Tank Davis for one.

916
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,840
He's now taken on a legend like yourself. What is

917
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,840
your your view when you when you look at what

918
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,360
he's all.

919
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 6: About and look Barrius, you know, it's hard to understandate him,

920
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:34,000
Like you cannot understand with him because he's he has

921
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,320
the advantage taller than me, and he's a champion.

922
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 4: He has a rich advantage, So.

923
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,039
Speaker 5: It's kind of opponent that you cannot Understandmate him will

924
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:51,320
give him confidence.

925
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,519
Speaker 3: The many Pako at his best at welterweight, like when

926
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,480
you were fighting guys like Miguel Coto and uh and

927
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,880
in that timeframe of your career here and no disrespect

928
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,400
to Borrows, but a lot of people would have said,

929
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,199
MANI package just goes in there and annihilates him. But

930
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,840
because of your long layoff and the age factor, UH,

931
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,400
there's a lot of people that think it's a much

932
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,840
more tough or closer fight. How do you view it?

933
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,639
Speaker 5: The lonely for me is like, it's better for me

934
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,639
because I've been in boxing for since when I was

935
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:25,639
twelve years old, so non stop, don stop in my career.

936
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:30,239
So it's really good timing for my body to rest

937
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,360
for four years. And when I come back, like, I'm

938
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,440
so excited and I feel like when I started reading

939
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,559
in box thing.

940
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 4: Training come like that listeness is not in. Uh, it's

941
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,280
not come.

942
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 5: Come comes in much to my mind, my body like

943
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:56,920
I'm passionate to work hard, to punish more. And the

944
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:02,199
timpac the trainers watching me to up, not the push.

945
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 3: Did your family have any concerns when you said I'm

946
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,599
coming back? Did they say, oh, yeah, we can't wait.

947
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:08,239
We look forward to her. Did they say, you know,

948
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,760
maybe you want to think twice about that? What was

949
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:10,280
their reaction?

950
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,119
Speaker 4: No?

951
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,519
Speaker 5: When I asked my wife like you know I can fight,

952
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:17,920
like yes, you fight?

953
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:22,519
Speaker 4: Like okay, are you sure? Yes? Okay, I'll go.

954
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,199
Speaker 3: So she was okay with it. I'm glad. I just

955
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,559
got a couple more quick ones for you. This is

956
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:30,880
going to be your sixteenth boxing match at the MGM

957
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,559
Grand Garden Arena twenty four years after your American debut

958
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,000
where you knocked out Laila led Wabba to win the

959
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:41,039
junior featherweight title, a fight that I was actually ringside for. Amazingly,

960
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,000
I wanted to know, because it's been such a long

961
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,559
time and you've had such a wonderful history at that arena,

962
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,079
what are your memories of that first one, because that

963
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:50,719
was your big American debut where you made an impression

964
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,079
on so many people. What do you remember about about

965
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,519
that night that was so special.

966
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 5: First thing that I remember that fight is the announcer

967
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,719
hardly pronounced my name correctly.

968
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,559
Speaker 3: That's true, I remember that, and.

969
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,639
Speaker 4: It's also going to notice for before the fight.

970
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 3: Could you've ever in your wildest dreams many thought that

971
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,599
twenty four years later you'd still be fighting. You've had

972
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,280
done all the accomplishments since then of going up and

973
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,280
winning championships in eight different weight classes. I mean, like

974
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,800
you said, fighter of the oldest fighter to be a

975
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,159
world a welterweight world champion, fighter of the decade of

976
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:38,239
the two thousands of five lineal championships, which is a

977
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,360
record eight division world titles, which is a record. I

978
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,920
mean fighter of the Year three times. I mean the

979
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,039
list is just endless in terms of what you've accomplished.

980
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,440
I mean, was that even part of the dream.

981
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 5: I never imagine what I have accomplished in boxing, Like

982
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,280
when I interpret the boxing, my goal is like.

983
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,039
Speaker 4: To help my parents.

984
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,199
Speaker 5: To bring him out of property and also to become

985
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,960
a champion in the Philippines. But the thing is like

986
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,840
when when my my knowledge about boxing what became wider

987
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,639
and I I dream to become world champion, just just

988
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,000
a world champion, and what I have done in a

989
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:33,199
compli in in boxing is beyond my own imagination. Like

990
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:40,000
you know, a boy from uh from Sarangani, seiling whatever

991
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:47,480
pandical newspaper in the streets became a No. One fighter

992
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:49,159
and became a world champion.

993
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: So so of all the just wrap up with this

994
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,519
many of all of all the big time fights that

995
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:57,079
you have had, and all those world championships and all

996
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,519
those big events, do you have one fight that you

997
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,119
look back most fondly on, Like this was my favorite fight.

998
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:04,679
This is when I was at my absolute best.

999
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:10,639
Speaker 5: One of my favorite fighters when I started look back

1000
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,159
like Mike Tyson.

1001
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: No, no, and then your own fights. I'm talking about

1002
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,280
your own fights, my own fight Oh you're like that

1003
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,960
you participate in like that you look back on and say,

1004
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,000
this is when I thought I was at my desk.

1005
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,679
This is my favorite performance, My favorite fight that I've

1006
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:26,960
been in.

1007
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 5: My most favorite performance in boxing is the fight with

1008
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,760
Marco Antonio, the first one.

1009
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: That's a great pick. Can you tell me why?

1010
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:44,159
Speaker 5: Oh I'm I'm underdog and nobody knows me and like

1011
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,480
like but the fight like it's one I did, like

1012
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,440
you know, I I won the whole twelve round living rounds.

1013
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,039
Speaker 3: Manny, I thank you very much for your time and

1014
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:57,519
I wish you the best luck in reaching your goal

1015
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,119
of another world title coming up July nineteenth. Thanks, thank

1016
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:00,559
you so much.

1017
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:02,079
Speaker 4: Thanks Don.

1018
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: All right, it took a little bit. I should share

1019
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,119
with the audience.

1020
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,679
Speaker 2: My man ray Field sometimes has to be on steakout

1021
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,920
like the cops waiting for whoever you run steak out

1022
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,039
for a little while. Nanny Pacquiao delivered to you not

1023
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:15,960
every day that you're getting. Like you said at the

1024
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,079
beginning of the pod, you hadn't talked with him in

1025
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:22,360
what four years? So good to have a conversation with him.

1026
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,360
And now we get ready for whatever this is gonna

1027
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,679
be next weekend, not this weekend, but next weekend, all.

1028
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: Right, Saturday, July nineteen.

1029
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:33,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, wrap up the thought or two on seeing Pacquiao

1030
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,079
and at forty six years of age, what what your

1031
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:36,639
thoughts are is?

1032
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: We had to fight week next week.

1033
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: Listen, Nanny is in a good mood. He seems to

1034
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,199
have a certain joy to him about being back in boxing.

1035
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:47,920
You know, when guys get older, they don't always have

1036
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,880
that joy anymore. It's kind of been beaten out of them.

1037
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,960
To make a point there, but he's you know, I

1038
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,679
asked him very pointly as people heard it. You know

1039
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,320
a lot of people say, you're coming back for the money.

1040
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,960
He's like, it's my passion. I wanted to fight again.

1041
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,440
I want to be world champion again. I jokingly said,

1042
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,039
you know what, eight champion, eight division champions not enough?

1043
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1044
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: He laughed. So he sounded good, He looked good. I

1045
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,679
was happy to speak him. I've interviewed Manny, you know,

1046
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,079
a thousand times through the years, covered tons of his fights,

1047
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:18,159
and he's got always had a good disposition, and he's

1048
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,119
just you can't help but not be have a certain

1049
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,199
joy to yourself when you're on many pacco that's sort

1050
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,559
of just what he brings out in people. So he's like,

1051
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,679
I'm excited. I mean, I mean, I don't love the

1052
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,880
idea of a guy at forty six coming back. You know,

1053
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:33,840
we may be saying when the fight's over that he

1054
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,599
looked good, but there was nothing under the hood, so

1055
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,400
to speak. We're gonna find out, I mean, at the

1056
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:40,679
very least, and this is in no way, shape or

1057
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,039
for him a negative thing about Mario Barrios. But he's

1058
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,880
not coming back to fight like a pound for pound

1059
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,719
top guy. He's fighting a very good fighter who was

1060
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,159
a guy with a title that's worked his way up,

1061
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:53,800
that's taken tough fights, that's won some lost a couple,

1062
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,800
but a very good fighter, but not an elite elite guy.

1063
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,559
And if pacow Is even got something, it's a winnable fight.

1064
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:04,639
I mean, I know he lost to Ugust in the

1065
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:06,679
last fight, but it wasn't like he got outclassed by

1066
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,159
He lost the competitive decision, you know, That's why I

1067
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,519
saw it. We'll see, but I was happy to talk

1068
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,320
to him and glad he was able to make the time.

1069
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:19,559
Speaker 2: Pacman Fight week next week, and we look forward to

1070
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:21,400
talking more about that, and you will be there in

1071
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:25,440
Vegas to see all of the mayhem as it unfolds.

1072
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,119
And the nineteenth is going to be something else.

1073
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:27,559
Speaker 1: We'll get to that.

1074
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: More brought to brought to the fans, not only on

1075
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,320
Prime video paper, but I were good friends at PPV

1076
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:33,960
dot Com.

1077
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,559
Speaker 2: PPV dot com that sponsors us get the one off

1078
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:41,400
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1079
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:44,440
dot Com. Well done on that, So more on that

1080
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:49,559
to come next week. On Pacman's return after four years away.

1081
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:51,440
All right, a couple of other news items because we've

1082
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,280
been here. Ij hey, speaking of layoffs, did you say

1083
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,639
that Manny Pacio has been out for four years? The

1084
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,400
hit man Ricky Hatton Rayfield, Why is this on my rundown?

1085
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: He's coming to a superstar.

1086
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,679
Speaker 1: He's coming out of a thirteen year retirement. Dad.

1087
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: Didn't he have an exhibition something recently? But this is

1088
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,119
a legit sanctioned bout that's gonna be coming up here

1089
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,000
for Ricky Hatton.

1090
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: So they announced this event and I and because the

1091
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,440
details were not one hundred percent, I actually messaged Ricky

1092
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:25,719
just to check. I said, welcome back, you know, good

1093
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,760
luck with everything, but can you clarify a couple of

1094
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,880
things he got back to me. So, yeah, it's supposed

1095
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,199
to be an officially sanctioned bout. It will be an

1096
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:34,920
eight rounder. Ricky who fought his entire career, you know,

1097
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,400
as a one hundred and forty pound champion and then a

1098
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,199
later one hundred and forty seven pound champion, but then

1099
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,960
was you know, those are the two divisions he fought

1100
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,440
in his whole career. He's fighting this fight at middleweight.

1101
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:46,159
He's been out of the ring thirteen years. His la

1102
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,840
first of all, go all the way back to two

1103
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,880
thousand and nine. This is absolute prime pak Yao who

1104
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,159
destroyed Ricky Hadden in a gargantuan one of the most hillacious,

1105
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:59,599
brutal knockouts you'll ever see, you know, for me, one

1106
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,760
of the top two knockouts I talked about in terms

1107
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,800
of fights that I was at, two or three top

1108
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,840
knockouts ever was ringside for. To me, the list is

1109
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,960
very easy. It's Ricky Hatton getting blitzed by pak Yale,

1110
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:12,800
it's Paquyale getting blitzed by Marquez in their fourth fight,

1111
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,719
and it's Paul Williams going to sleep against Sergio Martinez

1112
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,320
in their rematch. But that's the type of knockout this was.

1113
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:20,880
So after that fight in two thousand and nine, Ricky

1114
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,320
retired and he was done. He came back for one

1115
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,639
fight in the end of twenty twelve. He challenged Sanchenko

1116
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,599
for the what was he was then the WBA welterweight title.

1117
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:34,280
Older he fought oh, pretty pretty well in that fight,

1118
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,239
but ultimately got knocked out in the ninth round. And

1119
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,760
then it was back in the retirement. You figure out,

1120
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,360
you know, he came out of the three year retirement

1121
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,760
or so, and now he's back in retirement. That's going

1122
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,320
to be the end of the day. And ever since

1123
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,039
then he stayed around boxing. He promoted some fights, you know,

1124
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:49,440
he was making the speaking circuit around.

1125
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:51,559
Speaker 2: His sauna has been involved in the sports as a

1126
00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:52,360
rising fighter.

1127
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: He promoted fights and you know, got inducked into the

1128
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,079
Hall of Fame. I think it was last year and

1129
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:01,800
and now he's coming out of retirement.

1130
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,079
Speaker 2: But he had some kind of exhibition right a couple

1131
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:05,320
of years something like that.

1132
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,599
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, we had an exhibition in the

1133
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:11,320
UK where he's obviously a humongous star, against Marco Antonio Barrera,

1134
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:14,320
who has done a couple of exhibitions himself. But I

1135
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,159
would he really took that too seriously. And I mean

1136
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,559
an older fighter coming back and doing you know, a

1137
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,400
four round or whatever it is and bigger gloves against

1138
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,039
a similarly older guy where they're not trying to hurt

1139
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:25,760
each other, they're not trying to knock each other out there,

1140
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,119
just moving around showing up what they can still do.

1141
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,400
With the fans, I think people can understand that, and

1142
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,880
they don't have such a negative view of it.

1143
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: So it leads to this question, why do you believe

1144
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,440
he's doing this? You've covered him a bunch, You've talked

1145
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,440
to him, you've interviewed him. Is the Is this the

1146
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,840
itch he misses the limelight. It can't be money.

1147
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,639
Speaker 3: I don't think it's money to be that's the reason.

1148
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,079
So just to clarify, he's fighting somebody that most people

1149
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,599
never heard of. He's fighting a fighter named isa Al

1150
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,719
dah It's December second.

1151
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: He'll take place right and I've never heard of him.

1152
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,039
Speaker 3: Buying the United Arab Emirates. Well, there's a reason why,

1153
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,320
because he's also so when the fight takes place, like

1154
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,559
when like right now, Ricky is forty six, but when

1155
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,760
the fight takes place in October. I mean, I'm sorry,

1156
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:08,800
the fight will take place in December. He will turn

1157
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,079
forty seven in October. His opponent, who has eight wins,

1158
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:15,239
three losses and four draw four knockouts, is forty six

1159
00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:19,480
who's from Dubai, And this is a guy that even

1160
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:22,559
with that, you know nothing to speak of record. He

1161
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,679
boxed as a pro from seven to twenty twelve. He

1162
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,960
retired and came back for one fight in twenty twenty

1163
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,800
one and got knocked out in the first round by

1164
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:36,039
six a six six and one guy. So Ricky is

1165
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,719
not based on that resume. Even thirteen years post his

1166
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,199
career doesn't appear to be in too much harm's way

1167
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,440
in my mind, you ask the reason why, I think

1168
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:47,800
Ricky is just, you know, he's been very open about

1169
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,480
his issues. He's had substance abuse issues in the past,

1170
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,400
dealt with mental health things, and I think he's just

1171
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,480
in a place in his life right now where he's

1172
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,519
like he's looking for something to do. Maybe he doesn't

1173
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:00,079
have the kind of direction he wants looking for. I

1174
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:03,159
mean to keep him focused, to have a schedule to

1175
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,679
do something, and he feels like, you know what it'll

1176
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,679
put me back in training camp. He's still in good shape.

1177
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,840
He post videos, you know, on on his different social

1178
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,079
media and that sort of thing. So I just think

1179
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,800
it's like, hey, you're gonna pay me to fight this snore,

1180
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,039
I might as well show up and see what I

1181
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:19,280
can do.

1182
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,159
Speaker 2: Right, And it's still five months from now, so we've

1183
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:24,800
got plenty of time. Hopefully they stay healthy and.

1184
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 3: But if it happens TJ, it will add to like

1185
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,400
my favorite like bar Trivia, another fighter who is going

1186
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,960
to come out of retirement post being elected into the

1187
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:33,840
Boxing Hall of Fame.

1188
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,199
Speaker 2: And by the way, a thirteen year official return. Well,

1189
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:38,679
what was the what was the date of the one

1190
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,079
after the Pacquieal loss? She said twenty twelve, twelve, So

1191
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,800
that would be in a lot of year or no, yeah,

1192
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,960
thirteen year official retirement and a Hall of Famer to

1193
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:49,559
come back and fight.

1194
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:50,599
Speaker 1: That's a long time.

1195
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: So his last fight was in November of twenty twelve,

1196
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,559
and that would be fighting theoretically if it happens, he'll

1197
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:58,880
be fighting in December of twenty twenty.

1198
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: Crazy. Two other things, this is what it is.

1199
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 2: IBF Junior lightweight Champion Anthony Kasachi was to be fighting

1200
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,320
August the sixteenth and defending the former champion was was

1201
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,079
to have been fighting on the August the sixteenth, Read

1202
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:18,039
card he is now injured.

1203
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up for him?

1204
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:22,679
Speaker 3: Well, they he had a back injury and they announced

1205
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:24,039
that he was out of the fight. You know, he

1206
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:25,639
wrote like I'll just take some time off and on

1207
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,239
lead back to it. So he was disappointed. He posted

1208
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,480
that to a social media and that was, you know,

1209
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,360
an interesting kind of fight because the card itself, it

1210
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,880
was just a nice fight to have on the show.

1211
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,760
That added some depth to it. The main event, of course,

1212
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,719
is I think intriguing to a lot of people, which

1213
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,559
is this is August sixteenth and read Moses Atama the

1214
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,280
top heavyweight up and comer against Dillan White. Still got

1215
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,760
Nick Ball the featherweight wa WBA title holder defending against

1216
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,440
Sam Goodman. Still have a good looking heavyweight fight between

1217
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,880
Philip Perkovic and David Adelie. But Kasach unfortunately is no

1218
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,079
longer on the card. And hopefully he just he heals

1219
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:04,039
up and gets better, because him against ray Ford was

1220
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:05,679
a very interesting fight to me. Now I asked the

1221
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,480
Mattroum people who promote ray Ford, and this is a fight,

1222
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,719
you know, because Casace they're doing this with the Rian

1223
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,880
season folks. But you know, MATCHA would have an idea

1224
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,000
what's up with Ford? And I'm told that even though

1225
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:18,000
he's out with the injury, that they're still looking for

1226
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:20,719
an opponent that could take the place of him and

1227
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,360
still have ray be able to be on the card.

1228
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,159
So hopefully everybody couldn't come up with a reasonable opponent

1229
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,960
for Raymond Ford to fight and he can get back

1230
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,639
at action and make another good fight. But that's just

1231
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:33,079
a bummer. It's just, you know, a good fight that

1232
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:34,719
is no longer happening because of an injury.

1233
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: All right, So we'll stay on it, and you'll stay

1234
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,360
on it on who the opponent might be for Ford.

1235
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,679
Stay tuned. You still have a month for that to happen.

1236
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:44,760
Oh and we kind of save this for the end.

1237
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,239
We have another post fight drug ped controversy. This from

1238
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,719
a couple of weeks ago in the UK, when Francisco

1239
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,519
Rodriguez of Mexico defeated Gallia Phi in dominant fashion, landing

1240
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,880
over five hundred punches in the twelve round win.

1241
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: Well, we now.

1242
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: Call it all into question because he has tested positive

1243
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,440
for peds. It has not been specified. Was it a

1244
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:13,320
testosterone thing, was it a weight loss thing?

1245
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: What was it? But it was Vada testing.

1246
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: This was announced midweek Vada testing and the WBC say

1247
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,119
adverse finding. What's the latest, Dan, And it obviously is

1248
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,519
going to if it, if it goes away, the thieves

1249
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:29,800
have gone, it's going to invalidate his win. It's going

1250
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,800
to strip him of the WBC Interim flyweight title, right.

1251
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, these are these are cookie cutter type

1252
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,320
of things. I mean, if if it is determined that

1253
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,480
he in fact did have this, that he did test positive,

1254
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:42,880
and that you know, he's up to him if he

1255
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,199
wants to be sample tested, which he has that right

1256
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,079
to do at his own expense. I like to always add,

1257
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:49,199
and I will say once again for probably the one

1258
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:53,760
trillionth time, that it is massively, massively, massively rare. For

1259
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,079
an A and a B to be different, you'd have

1260
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:58,360
to have some type of contamination of the sample, which

1261
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,800
is has happened, but it's not. It's very unusual. So

1262
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,639
he's looking at now. This will be adjudicated by the

1263
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:06,719
British Boxing Board of Control because they were the regulator

1264
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,400
that handled the fight. The WBC obviously has involved in

1265
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,039
because they were the ones in control of the title

1266
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,400
and the two fighters were signed up for the WBC's

1267
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,000
clean boxing program, so they'll they'll they'll have their say also,

1268
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:18,840
but at the end it'll be the British Boxing Board

1269
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,320
and most likely saying, like we've seen a million times,

1270
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,119
if it is as we believe it will be, which

1271
00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:27,400
is he did have this in his system however it

1272
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,840
got there, the title will be stripped, the result of

1273
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,480
the fight would be changed to a no contest and

1274
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,159
he would be suspended. Now, the British Boxing Board of

1275
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:36,760
Control is a lot more strict in terms of the

1276
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,159
way they end. He've talked about it and some of

1277
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:41,920
the wooses that regulate here in the United States, so

1278
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,000
there's a good chance that he may face, you know,

1279
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:46,199
a two year ban, that type of thing, which the

1280
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:48,679
British Boxing Board has done in the past. But what

1281
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,840
the real problem here is is you have Gelalia Phi,

1282
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,079
who was a very good looking up and comer, even

1283
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:54,639
though he's a little bit older, because he had stayed

1284
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:56,519
amateur for such a long time and had won a

1285
00:59:56,519 --> 00:59:59,639
gold medal in the Olympics. It was only nine to

1286
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:03,119
zero and he took such a fucking pounding in that fight,

1287
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,559
and that if his opponent was on peds. Okay, yeah,

1288
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:07,960
maybe he didn't kill the guy, but you cannot tell

1289
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,159
me that that kind of beating for twelve rounds, just

1290
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,679
consistent beating for twelve rounds, is not gonna significantly hamper

1291
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,599
him going forward in his career. That takes something out

1292
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:20,400
of you. I don't care who you are, You're not

1293
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,159
going to be the same fighter after absorbing five hundred

1294
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:26,599
plus punches in that fight. And if he was on peds,

1295
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,119
the motherfucker should be in fucking jail. That's how I

1296
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:29,559
look at it.

1297
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:33,559
Speaker 2: Well, and again the British Boxing Border Control may drop

1298
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:36,199
the hammer here. On a two and one other note,

1299
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:39,159
Rodriguez has been mentioned as a possible opponent from one

1300
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:42,079
of the guys you love, can Shiro Taraji, the unified

1301
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:46,599
Flyway champion who has the full WBC world title, But

1302
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:51,199
that's gonna all be out the window now because so.

1303
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,239
Speaker 3: So Taraji, though he's got his own fight coming up.

1304
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,639
But the point here is this, by winning the fight

1305
01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:58,079
and getting the interim belt, and we've talked about this

1306
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:00,280
many times that just because you get in w see

1307
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,159
interim belt does not automatically make you the mandatory in

1308
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:05,559
this particular case. And I had double check this with

1309
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,480
Mauricio Suliman, who was the president of the WBC, and

1310
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:10,880
it was said to me, yes, one percent. Not only

1311
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,760
will the winner of the fight be the interim chanting,

1312
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,039
but they also will be the official WBC mandatory and

1313
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,440
that so he is the mandatory challenger for the winner

1314
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,159
of Taraji in his next fight. So that won't happen obviously.

1315
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,320
You know, he'll be on suspension probably. I mean he's

1316
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,639
already if you look at his box wreck, they already

1317
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:32,400
have him under suspension. But it's that's like a provisional

1318
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,639
thing until they go through the process. But you would

1319
01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:36,480
be fighting any time soon anyway, because he just did

1320
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,079
fight just a couple of weeks ago. But it's just

1321
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:41,360
to me, you know, I'm so sick and tired of

1322
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,679
this shit. I I every time one of these things

1323
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:45,280
comes up. And I know that there are times that

1324
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,920
there can be an exception, and that that there are

1325
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:50,840
cases where it's contamination, where there are cases where it's

1326
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,280
a false positive that type of thing. I totally get that,

1327
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,480
but by and large, it's not whether you've done it

1328
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,039
on purpose, whether somebody in your camp has given it

1329
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:01,559
to you, and you don't know whether it is legitimate.

1330
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,480
You know where you might eat the beef that has contamination.

1331
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,280
It's not everybody is doing it on purpose. But the

1332
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,159
reality is this is a terrible thing in the sport.

1333
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:13,280
You can seriously, you know, every time the bell rings,

1334
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,920
your life is at stake. And I'm not trying to

1335
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,519
be melodramatic. It's just and if the guy is juiced up,

1336
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,599
that makes it more likely or more possibility that you're

1337
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,440
gonna get very hard Wondering a baseball, They're not shooting

1338
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,320
a basketball, they're not wanting to run a track.

1339
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:31,079
Speaker 2: Hitting a baseball is not the same thing as uh

1340
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,719
as throwing punches at another guy. I get what you're

1341
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,559
saying on that, and I keep waiting for one of

1342
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:39,519
these instances where, especially like in your fi's case where

1343
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:44,960
you took a pretty brutal overall beating through twelve rounds,

1344
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,679
do you have legal action at some point too against

1345
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:49,840
a guy or wanting to pursue criminal action.

1346
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,039
Speaker 1: I don't know about criminal charges.

1347
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,239
Speaker 3: When Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia had their fight and

1348
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,199
Ryan Garcia won and had the knockdowns, and then it

1349
01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:01,400
was found that he had tested positive for When that

1350
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,760
whole situation was going on, before they made their settlement,

1351
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:08,239
Ryan Garcia sued him for battery. Hany suit him, I

1352
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:12,360
mean Hainy sued Garcia for now. Ultimately that was dropped

1353
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,360
because of the arrangement they made or whatever. But you know,

1354
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:17,760
there will come a time where there will be a

1355
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,599
lawsuit and it will go forward, or there might be

1356
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:22,320
criminal charges pressed, or there will be somebody who might

1357
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,599
unfortunately be named or die and their opponent has found

1358
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:27,719
out to have been on PDS, and that is going

1359
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,599
to be the ruination of a sport that's already, you know,

1360
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:31,880
not in the greatest shape.

1361
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,519
Speaker 1: All right, A little bit of a downer note on that.

1362
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:34,719
Speaker 3: Man.

1363
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,679
Speaker 2: We've got a busy show, lots and lots going on

1364
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,480
Friday night and Saturday night.

1365
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:40,079
Speaker 1: In New York.

1366
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:44,559
Speaker 2: We remind you we will be live after both of

1367
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:48,199
those fight cards for a brief time on the Big

1368
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:51,320
Fight Weekend YouTube channel. So you're hearing us on the podcast,

1369
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,559
go find the YouTube channel. Will be live after the

1370
01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:58,519
Taylor's Serrano Trilogy fight caps off that card on Friday

1371
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:01,679
night from Madison Square Garden and then from Louis Armstrong

1372
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:07,719
Stadium the Saturday night double header. If you will, Berlanga

1373
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,320
Sharraz and Shaquur Stevenson, William Zupaida will be live after

1374
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,519
that as well, so go find us on the YouTube

1375
01:04:14,519 --> 01:04:17,320
when it's all said and done. On those nights, we'll

1376
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,719
have that. Also, we will be live on bet us

1377
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,719
at Rayfield. We're live all over the place. I'm talking

1378
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:25,960
to you again more than I'm talking to my wife.

1379
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 5: You and me.

1380
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 2: Bet Us Boxing Show live one Eastern time on Friday

1381
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:34,599
on the bet Us platforms including their YouTube. We will

1382
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:40,000
handicap the Taylor Serrano fight and the Ring Magazine de

1383
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:43,880
Zone pay per view that has Berlanga Sharraz, Shaquur Stevens

1384
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,639
and Williamsapada will handicap those fights one Eastern time on Friday.

1385
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:51,320
Great stuff with Manny pakiaw More interviews coming, by the way.

1386
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,800
On Sunday Night, you'll hear from Mario Barrios, You'll hear

1387
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,880
from Hello, Daniel Duwat fighting Alexander Usik on the Sunday

1388
01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:59,360
Night Pod.

1389
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 3: So I had so many interviews, but so many busy

1390
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:05,360
schedule of boxing. Now we're running out of shows to

1391
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,400
squeeze that that's correct.

1392
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: So we'll get both of those in on Sunday night.

1393
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,480
Be with us on the recap pod for that to

1394
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,119
hear from both of those guys. For now, we're good,

1395
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:14,119
Big Dan. Enjoy the weekend. I'll talk to you on

1396
01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:15,679
the bet Us show and we'll get ready for those

1397
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,159
live shows on our Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. They

1398
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:19,800
need to subscribe, they need to go be there with

1399
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,559
us live on those coming up.

1400
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: Big Dan, thank you, enjoy the weekend of fights.

1401
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: As always, you too. There is Big Dan Rayphield. I'm

1402
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,480
merely TJ Reeves. This is the Big Fight Weekend Preview Podcast.