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Speaker 1: Folks on WI Walcome my guest to the show. It
Speaker 1: is Brook from Dark, Florida. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Brooke. Hi, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I have been looking forward to this. We got to
Speaker 1: hang out a little bit down in Florida at the
Speaker 1: Great Florida Bigfoot Conference back in April. My first time
Speaker 1: really getting introduced to you and what you're doing as
Speaker 1: far as bigfoot is concerned, and we had a blast
Speaker 1: down there. I know you were a part of the
Speaker 1: round table during that conference. We might get into that
Speaker 1: a little bit later on. But as I start with
Speaker 1: most people, let's start with what got you interested in
Speaker 1: this subject? To begin with?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so. I've always had a curious mind, and
Speaker 3: I was always that kid who asked too many questions
Speaker 3: and I went down all of the rabbit holes. So
Speaker 3: I loved everything from history. And remember this one time
Speaker 3: I was tasked with a social studies project and I
Speaker 3: decided to do mine on dB Cooper. I was just
Speaker 3: instantly hooked. I saw the special on History Channel and
Speaker 3: I was like, I love this. I need to figure
Speaker 3: out what's going on, what are the theories? So I
Speaker 3: wrote my report on dB Cooper. I turned it in
Speaker 3: and I actually won the contest. I won the Social
Speaker 3: Studies Fair with my dB Cooper report. I had theories,
Speaker 3: possible suspects, the whole nine. So fast forward then to
Speaker 3: high school, the curiosity only deepened. I remember going down
Speaker 3: all of the rabbit holes and symbolism and things like that.
Speaker 3: When once you are into it, it's everywhere. So naturally,
Speaker 3: Cryptis was just the next step into that rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: My nanny aka my grandmother, she actually had a sighting
Speaker 3: growing up. She shared that with me. What happened to
Speaker 3: her was in Florida back in the nineteen seventies, the
Speaker 3: early nineteen seventies, before a lot of the industrialization that
Speaker 3: we see today was going on. She had just moved
Speaker 3: into this neighborhood. It was brand new. In fact, they
Speaker 3: were still building, so you had all the timber that
Speaker 3: was stacked up, and that was heavy logs that they
Speaker 3: had cut down and stacked and so they started getting
Speaker 3: nervous because they were coming out in the mornings and
Speaker 3: they were thrown around like match sticks. So it was
Speaker 3: freaking out people in the neighborhood. What could be doing this.
Speaker 3: She was a newspaper delivery driver, so she had to
Speaker 3: get up at the butt crack of dawn. So she
Speaker 3: told me she started parking her truck super close to
Speaker 3: the house because she was genuinely afraid of whatever was
Speaker 3: out there. So this one morning, same thing, she had
Speaker 3: just parked her truck really close to the house and
Speaker 3: she hopped in it, but this time she was chased,
Speaker 3: and she was chased by a bigfoot. And I remember
Speaker 3: her telling me that just this smell was just overwhelming,
Speaker 3: and that the odor was just so disgusting, and that
Speaker 3: this thing chased her up to fifty miles an hour.
Speaker 3: She said, so with that, she was never one of
Speaker 3: those people who went out and became a big footer.
Speaker 3: It was just something I remember her sharing. Even as
Speaker 3: she got older she developed dementia, we would ask her
Speaker 3: about it. When we would ask her, it was almost
Speaker 3: like that PTSD moment. It would come right back, and
Speaker 3: it was like she was at that moment that morning,
Speaker 3: and she could still recall the story with the same
Speaker 3: detail as she did before. Her story never changed, and
Speaker 3: it really frightened her. I just have that curious mind,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to know more about it for myself,
Speaker 3: so I got into listening to podcasts and things like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I want to be one of those people
Speaker 3: who find the answers, who go out there. I love
Speaker 3: armchair research, and I understand for some people that's all
Speaker 3: we can do. But since I'm able bodied and I'm
Speaker 3: already out there hiking I've always been a big hiker
Speaker 3: in nature enthusiast, so it was just blending in now
Speaker 3: bigfoot and cryptids into what I was already doing. This
Speaker 3: time just being a little bit more intentional with it,
Speaker 3: applying a different lens to situations, and that's what got
Speaker 3: me started on this wonderful bigfoot path.
Speaker 1: I love that story. When things come from people's families,
Speaker 1: that's what got me interested in the subject to begin with.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid growing up in the North
Speaker 1: Georgia Mountains, I heard those stories from my great grandparents
Speaker 1: about people in the area that had experiences with these creatures.
Speaker 1: They didn't call them bigfoot or sasquatch. That wasn't really
Speaker 1: in their nomenclature at the time. It was hairy man,
Speaker 1: wild man, those kind of things. And one of those
Speaker 1: stories from nineteen eighty six, I'll never forget that story
Speaker 1: that my great grandfather used to tell me about this
Speaker 1: gensing hunter that went up on the mountain as the
Speaker 1: crow flies. It's not very far from where I grew up.
Speaker 1: It was probably about ten miles maybe fifteen miles up
Speaker 1: on Lookout Mountain. They would tell me this story about
Speaker 1: this gensing hunter that had this encounter with a sasquatch
Speaker 1: that was ten feet away from him. I would hear
Speaker 1: that story from them, and I thought to myself, this
Speaker 1: could be bys This could be one of those stories
Speaker 1: that keeps kids out of the woods. You don't go
Speaker 1: out in the woods at night, or Bigfoot's going to
Speaker 1: take you. And it really was literally four years ago.
Speaker 1: I was doing research for the show because I narrated
Speaker 1: a lot of stories on the show in addition to
Speaker 1: the interviews that I do, and I was looking for
Speaker 1: some stories that I wanted to pull off of some
Speaker 1: of the databases I have access to, and lo and
Speaker 1: behold in Somerville, Georgia. I go to this database and
Speaker 1: there's actually a BFRO report from nineteen eighty six from
Speaker 1: that area. It was the exact same story from this
Speaker 1: Jensen Hunter, and it really brought back all of these
Speaker 1: memories from childhood, and it really brought into focus for
Speaker 1: me the fact that a this story wasn't just something
Speaker 1: my great grandparents were telling me to scare me at night.
Speaker 1: It's a real legitimate story. And it also got passed
Speaker 1: on to other people and made its way onto this database.
Speaker 1: So that's one of those things that not that you
Speaker 1: needed in this. But it's a validation of sorts that
Speaker 1: you know somebody who knew somebody who had this story,
Speaker 1: and for you, for your grandma that told her story.
Speaker 1: I think it's fantastics. You obviously got interested in the subject.
Speaker 1: When did you did you actually start getting serious about
Speaker 1: going out and actually looking for these things. I know
Speaker 1: you're out hiking and doing the things that you're doing,
Speaker 1: but when did you get really serious about your bigfoot research.
Speaker 3: I attended my first to Bigfoot conference in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: and that's where I was able to meet some other
Speaker 3: Florida local researchers. Little did I know that it would
Speaker 3: really lead me to some incredible friendships that are now
Speaker 3: like family. And I attended this little pre conference dinner
Speaker 3: and I got to meet some awesome people. So made
Speaker 3: those connections there, like the seed was planted. It went
Speaker 3: to the conference, got to hear really that was an
Speaker 3: incredible conference. We had David Politis, Jeff Meldrum, Ron moorehead
Speaker 3: I think Ronnie LeBlanc was there too, so you had
Speaker 3: the biggest names in the game there and it was
Speaker 3: just so inspiring. So I got to go to that
Speaker 3: conference get some good information and make some connections and
Speaker 3: meet other people who wanted to go search for this
Speaker 3: thing too. So I made an incredible friend, my friend Marian.
Speaker 3: We started chatting, So now fast forward, I was doing
Speaker 3: this on my own, and then we had our annual
Speaker 3: Bigfoot Christmas dinner party we have that. So now it's
Speaker 3: like December of twenty twenty three. We were chatting at
Speaker 3: the Christmas party and I'm like, I really want to
Speaker 3: start bridging some of these connections and collaborating. So we
Speaker 3: had planned to go on a camp out in the Everglades,
Speaker 3: and as an adult, I had never been camping. As
Speaker 3: a child, I had gone, but I don't even remember it.
Speaker 3: So we had decided we're just going to go all
Speaker 3: the way in and we're going to go camp out
Speaker 3: in the Everglades, down in the skun Cape territory and
Speaker 3: see what's going on. Leading up to that. Some plans
Speaker 3: got canceled and we weren't able to go, so I
Speaker 3: was getting discouraged at this point, but we were able
Speaker 3: to actually go out to a place here in central
Speaker 3: Florida that's got five hundred thousand acres of just this
Speaker 3: wetland and it spans across five counties. It's the headwater
Speaker 3: for several major rivers in the area, including the with Aalacouchie,
Speaker 3: the Oklahaha Hillsboro River. Tons of wildlife there so diverse.
Speaker 3: You can even imagine everything from birds, reptiles, amphibians, tons
Speaker 3: of bugs. It is a really target rich and vironment.
Speaker 3: So we decided to go out and that's where it began.
Speaker 3: We just we hit it off. Personality is really meshed well,
Speaker 3: and she's a ying to my yang. We keep each
Speaker 3: other grounded in that sense, and so we started going
Speaker 3: out together and then by camping, dreams did come true.
Speaker 3: I was able to go primitive camping in June, and
Speaker 3: in Florida it is hot as hell in the summer,
Speaker 3: so in this particular area, nobody was out there. We
Speaker 3: were the only crazy people who decided it was a
Speaker 3: good idea to go out here in primitive camp. From
Speaker 3: the time to get out of your car, you're just
Speaker 3: drenched and splat. So what we did is we have
Speaker 3: these e bikes because in Florida it's primarily flat. The
Speaker 3: farther north that you get it gets a little bit
Speaker 3: more hillier, but where we research it is pretty much flat.
Speaker 3: So we get on our e bikes, we lit up
Speaker 3: all our gear, and this camp site's about two miles
Speaker 3: in off of the main drag through some really I
Speaker 3: would say treacherous trail because it's not a trail that's
Speaker 3: like a foot trail. It's not the Florida Trail. It's
Speaker 3: an unmanaged trails, lots of tall grass in some places,
Speaker 3: potholes the whole night. So we navigate in there, we
Speaker 3: set up camp, and we had been there for a
Speaker 3: few days. I believe this was our second to last
Speaker 3: day there, and we were coming out from scouting some
Speaker 3: locations during the day and checking things out in this swamp,
Speaker 3: and we're on the way back, and so this was
Speaker 3: a stretch of road that we had already traveled several times.
Speaker 3: And like I said, I have not seen a single
Speaker 3: person since we've been out there. It's just been us.
Speaker 3: So we're coming back on the e bikes. I'm looking
Speaker 3: down because the parts of the trail are like limestone,
Speaker 3: and it took a mix of limestone and sand and
Speaker 3: sometimes mud. And so we're going along in lo and behold,
Speaker 3: I'm knocks out of my seat almost because I see
Speaker 3: these visible footprints in this mud and sand. So I
Speaker 3: slam on the brakes. I'm like, we got to get
Speaker 3: off and check this out. And so for people, I'm
Speaker 3: sure if they're listening to your show, they already know.
Speaker 3: But you have the difference between the Class A and
Speaker 3: the Class B sightings. So the class as I've seen it,
Speaker 3: I've put my eyes on it. I cannot misidentify this
Speaker 3: as anything other than a bigfoot. And then class B
Speaker 3: would be anything like a footprint, you found hair, you
Speaker 3: found Scott, you heard it, that would be class B.
Speaker 3: You had everything else happened, but actually laying your eyes
Speaker 3: on it, so this falls into the Class B category.
Speaker 3: We get off and we're looking at these footprints and
Speaker 3: there's a clear trackway that goes through mud, which thank
Speaker 3: goodness it did because you could really see the toes
Speaker 3: and the detail really well. We follow it. It leads
Speaker 3: off out it to nowhere into the woods. It's on
Speaker 3: the trail and it just veers right off into the
Speaker 3: woods into nothing. For those who have not familiar with
Speaker 3: kind of Florida's topography, if you are in the woods
Speaker 3: of Florida, it is very dense. There is all kinds
Speaker 3: of things out there, from fire ants to snakes to
Speaker 3: you name it. It is just not a place where
Speaker 3: you typically would want to be walking around barefoot. And
Speaker 3: this was clearly you could see the toes. This was
Speaker 3: not bear this was just someone's bare foot print. And
Speaker 3: so we measured the prints and they were about twelve
Speaker 3: and a half inches long by five inches wide and
Speaker 3: then were two inches deep. So the stride length that
Speaker 3: we were able to measure as well was five foot
Speaker 3: six inches and I'm five nine, so I'm super tall
Speaker 3: in a sense for a woman. I tried to emulate
Speaker 3: the stride length there and I was falling short. I
Speaker 3: couldn't make my legs go that amount of distance. So
Speaker 3: something big had made those tracks. We took pictures and
Speaker 3: documented it. We didn't have any casting material or anything
Speaker 3: like that with us at the time. We were weighing
Speaker 3: back and forth because my friend Marian was using some
Speaker 3: reference that she had and was like, I'm just not
Speaker 3: sure about this. I want to make sure that this
Speaker 3: is legit. So she had actually gone on a expedition
Speaker 3: in the Ozarks where she got to meet Shane Carpenter,
Speaker 3: who I do not know if you're familiar, but he
Speaker 3: has a property like four hundred acres. It's a private
Speaker 3: property where he's able to go out there investigate like
Speaker 3: untouched area because where we're at is obviously it's public land.
Speaker 3: Anybody can go there. So he has this theory and
Speaker 3: he's been tracking these prints that they find, and it
Speaker 3: seemed every two years that there were these smaller tracks
Speaker 3: that hadn't quite flattened out yet to that typical bigfoot
Speaker 3: shape or characteristics that we're looking for. So she was
Speaker 3: thinking that could this be a juvenile track that we
Speaker 3: had found and that's why it had a little bit
Speaker 3: of that arch and had not flattened out yet. So
Speaker 3: I could sat on it for a little while because
Speaker 3: I wanted to be sure before I posted on. But
Speaker 3: in my bones, I was like, I know that we
Speaker 3: found something cool here. Fast forward, I went to the
Speaker 3: Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference and I actually got to say
Speaker 3: with some BFO investigators there, and I love those guys
Speaker 3: because they sit around and they all tell their stories
Speaker 3: from their expeditions and things like that. So they're shooting
Speaker 3: the brea and sharing their stories, and I said, I'm
Speaker 3: going to share mine. I'm going to see what they think.
Speaker 3: So I tell them, I pull up my phone, I
Speaker 3: start showing them the pictures and they were blown away.
Speaker 3: They're like, this is so cool. And then Lorie she
Speaker 3: asked me, She said, did this trail just go off
Speaker 3: into the lives into nothing? And I was like, yes,
Speaker 3: actually it did. So it just was a really validating
Speaker 3: moment for me. Like you said, finding someone else is
Speaker 3: you are onto something here. So I get back from
Speaker 3: the conference and then I'm on Facebook and I see
Speaker 3: that there's this trail cam footage that came out of
Speaker 3: the same area in which we do research. To me,
Speaker 3: my opinion is it looked like a bigfoot with possibly
Speaker 3: the juvenile behind it.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: In that moment, I said, you know what, I Am
Speaker 3: just going to post my pictures with my own disclaimer
Speaker 3: and see what happens. And it just felt inauthen for
Speaker 3: me to hold on to it, because part of this
Speaker 3: research is of trying to be transparent go where the
Speaker 3: data takes me. It just felt inauthentic to hold on
Speaker 3: to it any four. So hearing that validation from those
Speaker 3: BFO investigators is everything I needed. And then seeing that
Speaker 3: trail cam footage. I put it out and the response
Speaker 3: was really good. It was great. So that was my
Speaker 3: Class B siting that I had. So that was in
Speaker 3: June of last year. Speak of the BFRORO. It was
Speaker 3: always on my bucket list to be able to go
Speaker 3: on one of their expeditions. I'd heard so many cool
Speaker 3: stories that have come out of it, and like I said,
Speaker 3: I got to meet some of the organizers and they're
Speaker 3: just genuinely great people. We've become friends. We had a
Speaker 3: Florida one and that was in February of this year.
Speaker 3: So to go on an expedition, it's pretty hardcore. You
Speaker 3: have to fill out a ton of paperwork, You have
Speaker 3: to sign an NDA because what the organization is trying
Speaker 3: to do is take you to a place where you
Speaker 3: have the highest chance of having an encounter of some
Speaker 3: sort with bigfoot activities. So if we go around saying
Speaker 3: it's here next thing, everyone who's listening to a podcast
Speaker 3: or a show is going to go out there. I'm
Speaker 3: guilty when I'm listening to podcasts and I hear something,
Speaker 3: I'll write it down and I'm like ooh, adding that
Speaker 3: to my memory bank. You have to have some sort
Speaker 3: of level of secrecy around it to remain the integrity
Speaker 3: of the site. Plus, if they hear a bunch of
Speaker 3: bigfooters are coming, you could have people who want to
Speaker 3: go out there and be jerks and corrupt the investigation.
Speaker 3: So I signed my nda, I paid my money. I
Speaker 3: was in my friend Marian. She has been a bfour
Speaker 3: investigator gosh, probably for a few decades, but she had
Speaker 3: gotten out of it because she had kids and a family,
Speaker 3: and now that they're grown up and everything, she's got
Speaker 3: some more free time. She's retired, she's hopping back into it.
Speaker 3: So she said, do you want to go on the
Speaker 3: scouting trip? I said, do I want to go on?
Speaker 3: Of course I want to go on the scouting trip.
Speaker 3: So it was her myself, another woman than the event organizer.
Speaker 3: So we had gone out to the Florida Panhandle. Basically
Speaker 3: the point of our trip up there was to scout
Speaker 3: out some locations for this next expedition. This gentleman had
Speaker 3: surveyed that area, he'd gone there a lot, He's had
Speaker 3: some experiences and things like that in the past. But
Speaker 3: we were just trying to hone the focus for where
Speaker 3: we wanted to take folks come February. So that's November,
Speaker 3: and for Florida. I know we were talking about it being
Speaker 3: hot earlier. This was one of those rare moments that
Speaker 3: we decided to participate in winter and it was actually
Speaker 3: super cold, so on this camping trip, I don't think
Speaker 3: I hadn't even anticipated for it to be that cold.
Speaker 3: And the closest Walmart was like two hours away. So
Speaker 3: we're literally in the middle of nowhere in this campground,
Speaker 3: like the day after Thanksgiving. It's just us. There's a
Speaker 3: few other people there, but really nobody's out there, and
Speaker 3: it's super coold. It was going to be a freeze
Speaker 3: warning while we were there. It was getting down to
Speaker 3: twenty seven degrees, so very cold. We'd scouted some locations
Speaker 3: in the days that we were there, nothing really happened,
Speaker 3: or just getting a general idea of some areas that
Speaker 3: would be good to place people for some night time
Speaker 3: in investigations. So our last night there the freeze warnings
Speaker 3: coming in, We're sitting around the fire, We're having some chili.
Speaker 3: We're just relaxing and unwinding and just telling stories and
Speaker 3: hanging out. Probably gonna go to bed soon and hope
Speaker 3: for the best, hope that we don't freeze to death
Speaker 3: out here. At this point, my friend Marian, who had
Speaker 3: been cooking our wonderful chili, suddenly realized this. She doesn't
Speaker 3: have her phone because earlier in the evening I had
Speaker 3: gone for a little ATV ride with our friend Jeff,
Speaker 3: and we were going to check some things out and
Speaker 3: it's just it just a beautiful ride. Got to see
Speaker 3: some deer and stuff trailing us adjacently. It was a
Speaker 3: bucket of dough, so it was really fun. And while
Speaker 3: we were doing that, she had taken a short hike
Speaker 3: on this trail that was nearby the campground that kind
Speaker 3: of looped around the lake. This is during hunting season,
Speaker 3: so she realizes while she's on the trail, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I don't have my orange on. So she takes her
Speaker 3: backpack off and grabs out her reflective vest that has
Speaker 3: the orange, throws it on and carries on. I should
Speaker 3: also note that this particular campground had terrible phone service.
Speaker 3: I've never been somewhere like that that had just awful service.
Speaker 3: There was literally one point of the campground, maybe a
Speaker 3: twelve x twelve space, where you could just stand just
Speaker 3: a certain way and hold your phone just right, and
Speaker 3: maybe get a text to go out to let people
Speaker 3: know that you're okay. So we weren't really on our
Speaker 3: phones other than to take pictures or things like that,
Speaker 3: because it's really useless, and so she didn't notice it
Speaker 3: until a few hours later. I'm really, oh, crap, Okay,
Speaker 3: so you think you lost it on the trail on
Speaker 3: your phone, on your orange. We'll go with you. We'll
Speaker 3: see if we can find it. So myself, her and
Speaker 3: Jeff decide to just take this little trip because it
Speaker 3: loops around and it actually comes up behind someone's campsite,
Speaker 3: so keep that in mind. It comes up behind someone's campsite.
Speaker 3: So we're going along and it's just creepy out there.
Speaker 3: It's so cold, and it's by a lake, and the
Speaker 3: mist is just scheming off the water, so it already
Speaker 3: is giving off this really eerie vibe. I'm freezing, not
Speaker 3: prepared for this, and we weren't even thinking about Bigfoot
Speaker 3: at this time. It's really just dang. I really hope
Speaker 3: we find this fun and can go back and go
Speaker 3: to bed. So we're walking along. I'm losing hope that
Speaker 3: we're gonna find it. At this point, I look up
Speaker 3: and I see these two lights, I asked them. I'm like,
Speaker 3: are we back at the campsite already? Because that would
Speaker 3: have been a really short Like this trail is shorter
Speaker 3: than I thought. I had never been on it. They
Speaker 3: go away, So these two lights that were up ahead,
Speaker 3: they go away, and so I'm like, what the heck
Speaker 3: is that? Like I said, it was hunting season as well,
Speaker 3: So then my mind goes to, ugh, is this someone's
Speaker 3: head lamp? Or are we going to run into someone who's
Speaker 3: illegally hunting at night or poaching out here? Definitely not
Speaker 3: something I want to deal with. I'm like, Jeff, can
Speaker 3: you come back here? Because he was up a little bit.
Speaker 3: So he comes back and he said, look light at
Speaker 3: the area. Turn your fresh light on, and so we
Speaker 3: kick our flashlights on and we're looking. And so where
Speaker 3: I had seen the lights were about twelve o'clock on
Speaker 3: the trail, and now I'm about at the nine of
Speaker 3: clock ten o'clock position with my light. My flashlight hits
Speaker 3: these set of eyes and I just see these big
Speaker 3: eyes and I see it do this bobbing motion, a
Speaker 3: really quick up down, up, down and then gone. And
Speaker 3: I know everybody talks about getting a chill and your
Speaker 3: blood runs cold. But truly in that moment, like even
Speaker 3: just thinking about it right now, like it did everything
Speaker 3: in me. I just got this almost like bad, Like
Speaker 3: I was scared. I genuinely was scared because even though
Speaker 3: I know we're a I here, we're doing this research.
Speaker 3: I think that until you have your own class A sighting,
Speaker 3: there's always that little piece in your mind. We have
Speaker 3: faith that it exists, even though we've never seen it,
Speaker 3: and it's almost funny, it's almost God. We have faith
Speaker 3: that he's real, even though we can't sume. We just
Speaker 3: have that faith. It's still the same thing with Bigfoot
Speaker 3: when you have that moment of like confirmation and you
Speaker 3: see something that's just so strange that fight flight or
Speaker 3: freeze kicked him. And I was scared in that moment.
Speaker 3: I freaked out a little bit. And Jeff's it knows
Speaker 3: that we can see it and it's hunkered down back there,
Speaker 3: like do you want to turn around? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: now we'll keep going. I'm brave and this is what
Speaker 3: I've signed up for. No, it's fine. Just in that
Speaker 3: moment and my friend Parry and she gets your thermal
Speaker 3: out and she's trying to therm, and she's do you
Speaker 3: want to see an it guy? I said, no, I've
Speaker 3: seen enough. I'm fine. I'm really good. If I see
Speaker 3: anything else, I'm gonna be driving out here. We decided
Speaker 3: to keep going on, and I'm just like replaying this
Speaker 3: in my head. What the heck? I can't believe we'd
Speaker 3: just seen that, trying to rationalize it. And as we're
Speaker 3: going along, at one point, Jeff stops and he says, huh,
Speaker 3: I just thought I saw something like paralleling us. I
Speaker 3: saw something kind of black moving through and it even
Speaker 3: took him a minute to process what had happened. And
Speaker 3: when we were shining the lights again and you can
Speaker 3: clearly see some game trails and stuff in this thicket
Speaker 3: where something could be moving about. But that was it
Speaker 3: for our activity. But we went back to the campground.
Speaker 3: I'm like wired at this point. It was really hard
Speaker 3: to sleep that night because on top of that, we
Speaker 3: had heard about this particular area so definitely bigfoot sightings,
Speaker 3: but had also been warned by the locals of other
Speaker 3: stories of like black eyed children, skin walker activity in
Speaker 3: that area. So I'm just trying to figure out what
Speaker 3: the heck just half in one a day, see, is
Speaker 3: am I going to run into something else that's far creepier.
Speaker 3: So that was a pretty intense moment.
Speaker 1: It definitely sounds like it. We'll get into this later
Speaker 1: on about where you are on the high strangeness flesh
Speaker 1: and blood camp. But I tell you I always dismissed people.
Speaker 1: I know you guys said you saw these eyes and
Speaker 1: you shined your flashlight and you got reflection. So that
Speaker 1: sounds like to me, it's more like eye shine. But
Speaker 1: I tell you I had my own experiences my class
Speaker 1: A sidings last summer out in the Pacific Northwest. I
Speaker 1: got to see these things three times and two days.
Speaker 1: One was a daylight siding and then two at night.
Speaker 1: I was ten feet away from one of these creatures
Speaker 1: at one point, and it changes you. You never know
Speaker 1: how you're going to respond in those situations. I was
Speaker 1: a cop for sixteen years, so my fight or flight
Speaker 1: is usually ninety nine times out of one hundred, it's
Speaker 1: going to be fight. I'm going to go into whatever
Speaker 1: situation it is, guns of blazing, if you will, And
Speaker 1: I did that during my sighting. I actually chase one
Speaker 1: of these things up a heel out in Washington state,
Speaker 1: but you never know how you're going to respond. So
Speaker 1: I think it's a perfectly valid thing that you had
Speaker 1: the reaction that you had when you see something like
Speaker 1: that unless you're out in the wilds of Florida, I
Speaker 1: don't care where you are, and you know that there's
Speaker 1: something there that's not supposed to exist. That is a
Speaker 1: very powerful moment. So it's a perfectly, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: reasonable response that you had during that experience. Let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about your approach to the research. Are
Speaker 1: you more of a flesh and blood and I hate
Speaker 1: to say camp, but that's really what it is. You've
Speaker 1: got to plant your flag, or at least most people
Speaker 1: think you have to plant your flag in one place
Speaker 1: or the other. I have moved my flag many times
Speaker 1: in this journey. I don't think you can be in
Speaker 1: this for more than a year without having to adjust
Speaker 1: your hypothesis about these creatures and their behaviors and what
Speaker 1: we know and what we don't know. Did you start
Speaker 1: from a place where you were looking for a big, giant,
Speaker 1: hairy ape in the woods, or did you go into
Speaker 1: it with a more open mind of maybe these creatures
Speaker 1: are more than what we think they are Did you
Speaker 1: start in one position or the other, one camp or
Speaker 1: the other, and have you moved and has some of
Speaker 1: your experiences changed the way that you approach your research
Speaker 1: now present day where we are right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I try to remain as unbiased as one
Speaker 3: can in this field, especially when it comes to the research, because,
Speaker 3: like you said, we all have our own personal theories
Speaker 3: that we like, and personally, for me, I did go
Speaker 3: into it. I know some people don't like them, but
Speaker 3: I am a huge Dave Politis fan. I watched all
Speaker 3: the Missing for one ones and I just found that
Speaker 3: really fascinating people are going missing, these strange things are happening.
Speaker 3: How is that all connected and what does it mean?
Speaker 3: So for me that always seemed not necessarily the Missing
Speaker 3: for on one stuff, but just the fact that it
Speaker 3: could have some sort of supernatural element to it. That's
Speaker 3: why I think the paranormal really isn't that far off
Speaker 3: from Bigfoot in the sense of it's something unexplained, and
Speaker 3: I think that's sometimes what paranormal things are when in
Speaker 3: this cryptid world. To me, I feel like it's supernatural
Speaker 3: where I love. But I've heard some really good to
Speaker 3: say arguments, but case is made for Gigantipithecus and some
Speaker 3: of those other things.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: My friend married, and like I said, she's kind of
Speaker 3: leaking to my yang. We're very different. She is definitely
Speaker 3: in the gigantipithecus camp and I follow a little bit
Speaker 3: more on to the WU side. But when it comes
Speaker 3: to this phenomena, I really do try to remain open minded.
Speaker 3: Even though I have my own personal things that I
Speaker 3: like the best. I try to just keep an open
Speaker 3: mind because if I'm presented with something that is different
Speaker 3: than what I believe, I'd like to think I have
Speaker 3: an open enough mind when presented with new information to
Speaker 3: change where I land on it. Right now, I'd like
Speaker 3: to say I'm open always. Like I said, I love
Speaker 3: certain theories and I love diving into the possibilities, but
Speaker 3: I try to keep as open as a mind as
Speaker 3: possible and not pigeonhole myself, because that's the thing, especially
Speaker 3: when talking to witnesses or having things happen yourself. If
Speaker 3: you put yourself into one camp and you plant your
Speaker 3: flag and you're there and you're too narrow minded, you
Speaker 3: could be throwing out really good information. So I just
Speaker 3: think it's so important to just document everything that happens
Speaker 3: to you. It could be related, it could not be related,
Speaker 3: but just to document it, make a mental note of it.
Speaker 3: And if these strange things keep happening and you observe
Speaker 3: a pattern over time, those are things that, like you said,
Speaker 3: can help move that flag a little bit over this
Speaker 3: way or a little bit over over that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always planted my flag. If anybody pinned me down
Speaker 1: up until last summer. Really, if they tried to pin
Speaker 1: me down and said where are you in the flesh
Speaker 1: and blood versus the wu camp, I was one hundred
Speaker 1: percent in the flesh and blood. These things are maybe
Speaker 1: some sort of offshoot of Gigantopithecus. There's some sort of australopitheescene.
Speaker 1: There's got to be a reasonable explanation for these things
Speaker 1: being a flesh and blood creature. But during my experiences
Speaker 1: out in the Pacific northwest Washington State, specifically out in
Speaker 1: the Olympic Peninsula, we were actually out filming a documentary
Speaker 1: in the area where the Olympic Project operates. We were
Speaker 1: working out of their headquarters, and stay tuned for more
Speaker 1: sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these
Speaker 1: messages me Bobo, all the other folks. Ryan rpg Golembeskie
Speaker 1: was there. We're filming this documentary and one of those
Speaker 1: experiences that we had outside my daytime sighting was seeing
Speaker 1: eye glow, large white glowing eyes, self illuminating. We weren't
Speaker 1: shining a flashlight. We eventually shined a flashlight where these
Speaker 1: two sets of eyes were, and I even wrote it
Speaker 1: down as you were talking. One of the things that
Speaker 1: I've heard so many times is this bobbing, weaving back
Speaker 1: and forthing. That is exactly what we saw from these
Speaker 1: two sets of eyes. One was up a little higher,
Speaker 1: one was a little bit lower, so one of these
Speaker 1: creatures was obviously taller than the other. It'd be similar
Speaker 1: to me and you standing I'm six two or five
Speaker 1: to nine. It'd be like us standing next to each other,
Speaker 1: bobbing our heads and weaving almost. I got the feeling
Speaker 1: during this experience that these things were trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what the hell we were, just as much as
Speaker 1: we were trying to figure out what the hell they were.
Speaker 1: So there was a lot that went into that encounter.
Speaker 1: I've shared it in other places, I've shared it on
Speaker 1: the show, so people are pretty familiar with it at
Speaker 1: this point. I got to share it on the stage
Speaker 1: in Florida during my presentation when I was a speaker
Speaker 1: there earlier this year, but that changed me completely. I
Speaker 1: had this epiphany, if you will. I had this really
Speaker 1: emotional response to my encounter based solely on the fact
Speaker 1: that not only was I ten feet away from this
Speaker 1: creature at one point, but I had seen something that
Speaker 1: so many people. I've probably done more than a thousand interviews.
Speaker 1: I'm over six hundred episodes into this podcast at this point,
Speaker 1: and I've talked to so many people on the show
Speaker 1: and off the show, and so many people have told
Speaker 1: me they've had that experience. And I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm flesh and blood. So I roll my eyes and
Speaker 1: there's no way these eyes were glowing. That's bullshit, it's
Speaker 1: wu it's high strangeness. I take it with a grain
Speaker 1: of salt. That was your experience, But there's got to
Speaker 1: be another explanation. Having seen that firsthand, there is no
Speaker 1: other explanation. So I too, very much like you, try
Speaker 1: to keep an open mind to other people's experiences and
Speaker 1: say I may not necessarily believe that because I haven't
Speaker 1: experienced it, but I'm still open to the fact that
Speaker 1: people are having these weird experiences. I've had UFO experiences.
Speaker 1: I've lived in haunted houses and had poultry guys types
Speaker 1: of experiences, hearing voices, other things. So I'm more open
Speaker 1: to that if you will. But that said, as far
Speaker 1: as evidence is concerned, obviously, I think the footprints that
Speaker 1: you talked about, I looked it up as you were
Speaker 1: talking from my memory banks. I know, say a person
Speaker 1: six foot tall male has a stride that's roughly thirty
Speaker 1: inches right, what you found was sixty six inches basically
Speaker 1: stride that's double a six foot tall human male. My
Speaker 1: foot is not five and a half inches wide. It's
Speaker 1: awesome that you found that evidence. But is there other
Speaker 1: types of evidence or is there other things that you
Speaker 1: have found either in your armchair research or out in
Speaker 1: the field. Are people that have presented you evidence. I
Speaker 1: love it that you have married, and as a friend,
Speaker 1: I got to spend three days or so camping with
Speaker 1: her out in Missouri. We were out in the Ozark
Speaker 1: Mountain big Foot Conference camp out. After that, Shane Carpenter
Speaker 1: was there. I love Shane. He's a good friend. Some
Speaker 1: of the things that he has documented as far as
Speaker 1: footprints are somewhat contradictory, and I'm using my air quotes
Speaker 1: here the known specimens of Sasquatch, And I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you as we're getting into the evidence conversation, and
Speaker 1: I certainly want to give you an opportunity to talk
Speaker 1: about some of that. Where I was on evidence before
Speaker 1: having my three class a's in two days, letting me
Speaker 1: know that one hundred percent, hands down, I know these
Speaker 1: things are real. Where I was on evidence before that
Speaker 1: versus where I am now knowing these things are real.
Speaker 1: I was a little apprehensive to hear some of Shane's
Speaker 1: findings from the four hundred Right. I had Shane on
Speaker 1: the show a couple of times. I had he and
Speaker 1: Randy on separately talking about some of the things that
Speaker 1: they found. They're finding smaller footprints with arches, which is
Speaker 1: a complete and utter no no when it comes to bigfoot, right.
Speaker 1: These things have flat feet, they have a mid tarsal break.
Speaker 1: There is no arch when it comes to these feet.
Speaker 1: But yet Shane and Randy are not only documenting it,
Speaker 1: but in my opinion, they're brave enough and resilient enough
Speaker 1: to put that out there and say Hey, hold up,
Speaker 1: time out. We're finding footprints of what we believe to
Speaker 1: be juvenile sasquatch that have arches. Do they start out
Speaker 1: having arches and then they lose that over time as
Speaker 1: they grow larger and they get bigger. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not an anthropologist. I don't know if that's a thing.
Speaker 1: But I used to be so much more into the
Speaker 1: evidence part of this, But once, honestly I found out
Speaker 1: that these things are real by seeing them for myself,
Speaker 1: I honestly don't give a shit as much as I
Speaker 1: used to be perfectly frank about the evidence. But maybe
Speaker 1: for you, whether you're in the same place or not
Speaker 1: actually having that one hundred percent class A thus far,
Speaker 1: hopefully it'll happen for you. But where are you on
Speaker 1: the evidence? Is there other evidence out there, whether it
Speaker 1: be footprint evidence, whether it be maybe photographic, whether it
Speaker 1: be a trail cam picture, whether it be video that
Speaker 1: you give more credence to than others that may have
Speaker 1: brought you to the point of, yeah, I believe these
Speaker 1: things are real based on that evidence.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I've seen some incredible footage out of Florida here,
Speaker 3: So I've recently ted up with the Bigfoot, World, Cryptids,
Speaker 3: and the Paranormal of Central Florida. And I've gotten to
Speaker 3: review some of their footage that they've gotten out of
Speaker 3: the Okawa National Forest a firsthand, seen it on their computer,
Speaker 3: no editing the raw footage. I've seen some incredible thermal
Speaker 3: footage that they've had a being looks like what you
Speaker 3: would describe as your typical kind of bigfoot descending from
Speaker 3: a tree. We watched their video going backward and foorders
Speaker 3: so you can just see it, and I'm like, that's incredible.
Speaker 3: And the stuff that they're picking up on these thermal images,
Speaker 3: it's fantastic. So those are some local researchers who I
Speaker 3: have gotten a chance to see. I know them very well.
Speaker 3: They're not hoaxing. It's not falsified, fabricated, or faked. I've
Speaker 3: seen the hard stuff myself, and I think that kind
Speaker 3: of changes for you too. Like you said, you talk
Speaker 3: to people and you have these things happen for yourself
Speaker 3: that you can go oh, I know. And so for me,
Speaker 3: if I hadn't have found my own footprints, that was
Speaker 3: something that's a little hard for me. Because there are
Speaker 3: some folks who go out every time and they're finding
Speaker 3: footprints and things like that. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: does not happen, because it very well could. But I
Speaker 3: know for me, I haven't found anything comparable since that
Speaker 3: moment coming up on about a year ago. That's the
Speaker 3: thing with bigfoot research is that I don't want to
Speaker 3: say it's boring most of the time, but a lot
Speaker 3: of times there aren't things happening. Yes, you go to
Speaker 3: these areas and you'll have something strange. Like for example,
Speaker 3: when we went back on the expedition, we had gone
Speaker 3: out and we were doing this nighttime scouting trip and
Speaker 3: we'd broken up into a few groups, and our group
Speaker 3: was the first ones there. The gentleman who we were
Speaker 3: with said, Hey, I have this pop gun. I'm going
Speaker 3: to do a couple of pops, do some provocations, see
Speaker 3: if we get anything before these people come tearing down
Speaker 3: the road and set up shop. And we were all
Speaker 3: about a few miles apart, but we knew they were
Speaker 3: going to be coming. So sure enough, he does his
Speaker 3: pop gun a few times. I kid you not, we
Speaker 3: get back this. I don't want to say devil, but
Speaker 3: it sounded like a female to me, But this just
Speaker 3: like ungodly how slash scream and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden that kicked off the coyotes and they were going off.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to the evidence, I think it
Speaker 3: is hard seeing certain things posted online. I know I'm
Speaker 3: definitely I don't want to say I see it to
Speaker 3: believe a type of person, because when I saw the
Speaker 3: Patterson Gimblin film, I was like, yeah, this is legit.
Speaker 3: When I heard Ron Moorehead's tapes from the Sierra Sounds,
Speaker 3: I loved them.
Speaker 1: This is really cool.
Speaker 3: And I think we've been to that age of technology
Speaker 3: where there's a little bit of an oversaturation with the
Speaker 3: Internet and things like that. So you just have to,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, you got to just use your intuition
Speaker 3: and trust your gut on some of these things. To
Speaker 3: really get to the truth. You have to know your
Speaker 3: people who you find credible that you know are legit,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to say put your faith in them,
Speaker 3: but if they bring to you certain findings. That's what
Speaker 3: I've done, is I've vet people based off of that
Speaker 3: and then my own experiences as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very skeptical even to this very day. People say,
Speaker 1: how can you know Bigfoot's real? And still be as
Speaker 1: skeptical as you are. I'm never skeptical about Bigfoot. I'm
Speaker 1: always skeptical of people. That is my bread and butter
Speaker 1: when it comes to Unfortunately, spending sixteen years in law
Speaker 1: enforcement will make you very skeptical and cynical in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. I've went back and forth on the
Speaker 1: Patterson Gimblin film so many times over the years. Initially,
Speaker 1: when I saw it, I wanted it to be real.
Speaker 1: I so wanted that to be a real Sasquatch that
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, it's probably a real Sasquatch. I've went
Speaker 1: back and forth. I host multiple podcasts. One of the
Speaker 1: shows that we do my co host Wayne I think
Speaker 1: you were on with Wayne and Tiffany recently on their
Speaker 1: The Bigfoot Report. Wayne and I have talked about it
Speaker 1: on that Bigfoot podcast. We've done entire episodes on the
Speaker 1: Patterson Gimlin film, and it really came down to me
Speaker 1: to going back to the people, right. I had to
Speaker 1: go back and examine over on the Sasquatch Archives, and
Speaker 1: fortunately I have relationships with a lot of people in Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Todd Prescott, who runs the Sasquatch Archives, was kind enough
Speaker 1: to give me access to one of the interviews with
Speaker 1: Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin from six days after they
Speaker 1: filmed Patty back in nineteen sixty seven. So I took
Speaker 1: that interview and I took copious notes about what was said,
Speaker 1: exactly how they told the story, and then I compared
Speaker 1: it to I think it was a twenty nineteen interview
Speaker 1: with Bob, who's in his late eighties at that point,
Speaker 1: and I said, are there inconsistencies here? Because it really
Speaker 1: boils down to the story. The evidence is there. The
Speaker 1: film has been analyzed as much as anything, I think,
Speaker 1: second only to the Zapruder film from the jfk assassination.
Speaker 1: This thing has been torn apart by everybody who is anybody.
Speaker 1: It really comes down to what Bob says. And there
Speaker 1: were a few inconsistencies here and there, like for example,
Speaker 1: I think one of the gleaming ones that I actually
Speaker 1: pointed out on the show was Bob was very adamant
Speaker 1: that this happened on a Saturday. October twentieth, nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: was actually a Friday. So there are those inconsistencies, but
Speaker 1: did it really make a difference in the story At
Speaker 1: the end of the day for me, No, it didn't.
Speaker 1: Same thing with the Sierra Sounds. I'm very skeptical even
Speaker 1: to this day about the Sierra Sounds. Love Ron to death.
Speaker 1: I was just at Ron's house back, I don't know,
Speaker 1: three months ago, doing an interview with him, and he
Speaker 1: gave me access to a ton of the unreleased Sierra
Speaker 1: Sounds that nobody's ever heard. I've went through as many
Speaker 1: of those as I possibly can at this point. There
Speaker 1: are some strange things there, but I walked away from that. Again.
Speaker 1: It went back to the person knowing Ron as many
Speaker 1: years as I have, being at his house and him
Speaker 1: being as gracious as Ron is. If anybody's ever met Ron,
Speaker 1: he's a very gracious person. I had to walk away
Speaker 1: saying I'm convinced one hundred percent that Ron believes those
Speaker 1: are real. Was he hoaxed in some way, shape, form
Speaker 1: or fashion. I still leave that door open for the
Speaker 1: skepticism there. So I say to you, how do you
Speaker 1: deal with that as far as your research is concerned.
Speaker 1: How do you balance that skepticism versus that want to
Speaker 1: believe in these creatures and the people that are sharing
Speaker 1: their experiences. How do you, as a person just on
Speaker 1: that basic level. Deal with that as far as your
Speaker 1: research is concerned.
Speaker 3: It could be tough. That's why even with the Prince
Speaker 3: I found, I sat on those for months before I
Speaker 3: published them because there were a few other people who
Speaker 3: were on the camp out with me who really had
Speaker 3: me discouraged. They've said, no way, these are not blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, and I'm like, I just have this gut feeling.
Speaker 3: I know, we go back to the gut. I'd like
Speaker 3: to pride myself in thinking I'm in a very intuitive person.
Speaker 3: I can read people really well. So when screening folks
Speaker 3: and talking to witnesses, I know I don't have a
Speaker 3: law enforcement background, but boy, I feel like in another wife,
Speaker 3: if I did, I'd probably be good at it, just
Speaker 3: because I can really read people well in that BS
Speaker 3: meter you can tell. I think it's just about having
Speaker 3: that intuition of thattting them. If someone comes with completely
Speaker 3: outlandis story, I'm like, I just don't really feel like
Speaker 3: this is legit. I will be polite, I will listen,
Speaker 3: but it probably won't make it on my show or
Speaker 3: into my group or anything like that. So I think
Speaker 3: it's just about being intuitive and then also being true
Speaker 3: to yourself because if you feel like you found something,
Speaker 3: And in that moment when I had found mine and
Speaker 3: I was just really discouraged by some of the other
Speaker 3: folks that we were with, I was like, wow, I
Speaker 3: really feel like we stumbled upon something great or just
Speaker 3: this is whatever met with those BFURRO investigators, and then
Speaker 3: even my friend Marian came back and said, Hey, I
Speaker 3: got to tell you. I was presented with new information
Speaker 3: on that trip. I learned something I want to share
Speaker 3: it with you, and it was about Shane's work that
Speaker 3: he did at the four hundred, and she came back
Speaker 3: and say, I really feel like I've changed my opinion
Speaker 3: on those prints. I love that I've heard. We can
Speaker 3: have those conversations where we don't always agree on this
Speaker 3: or that or whatever, but we're still friends. We can
Speaker 3: disagree in a way that is respectful, mutual kind, and
Speaker 3: that we're not leaving like gosh, I'm never going to
Speaker 3: talk to her again. And it's good to be around
Speaker 3: people who challenge you too, because if not, then you're
Speaker 3: just letting everything through. So I think that there's a
Speaker 3: certain level, but at the same time, I think it's
Speaker 3: a good thing to be prudent and to be sure
Speaker 3: into that what you have, but also don't be so
Speaker 3: narrow minded as well that you're pitchingholing yourself. So you
Speaker 3: got to find that balance. And I'm a Libra at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, so I'd like to think
Speaker 3: I'm a pretty balanced person. I weigh things out heavily
Speaker 3: both sides of the issue, and I come to a
Speaker 3: fair judgment. So that's how I try to approach my work.
Speaker 1: I think that is great advice because you said it
Speaker 1: very well. If you're constantly having conversations with people who
Speaker 1: are always agreeing with you, you're never going to grow. And
Speaker 1: I like having those conversations with people. Ron is one
Speaker 1: of the most out there people I know when it
Speaker 1: comes to his beliefs, his quantum Bigfoot theories. He thinks
Speaker 1: there's way more to these creatures than I do, and
Speaker 1: who am I to say that he's wrong. I saw
Speaker 1: a physical being, but I also saw something that doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense to me. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out
Speaker 1: to see. We'll be right back after these messages in
Speaker 1: primates or great apes, like I think these things probably
Speaker 1: are very similar to human beings. Our eyes don't glow
Speaker 1: at night. We don't have the capability. Humans don't even
Speaker 1: have eye shine. We don't have it to pay them,
Speaker 1: loose to them to have eyeshine, which we see in dogs, deers,
Speaker 1: other creatures at night. But who am I to say
Speaker 1: that Ron is wrong about his theories because of his experiences.
Speaker 1: His experiences have done nothing but reinforce that for him.
Speaker 1: I like to have those kind of conversations with people
Speaker 1: who don't agree with me, and I certainly don't agree
Speaker 1: with them. It's like the structures, for example, that's been
Speaker 1: a huge thing with tree breaks and tree structures. Is
Speaker 1: that something that you guys see down in Florida in
Speaker 1: your recent search areas. I've talked to a couple of
Speaker 1: researchers from Florida and it doesn't seem to be a
Speaker 1: huge thing there. But you may be in a different
Speaker 1: area where you're seeing something different. What are you seeing
Speaker 1: as far as tree breaks and tree structures that you
Speaker 1: might as a researcher a tribute to possible bigfoot activity.
Speaker 3: As far as tree breaks go, we're always on the
Speaker 3: lookout for what we call big boy trails. So a
Speaker 3: big boy trail would be if a bigfoot or a
Speaker 3: sasquatch is walking through. In Florida, we call it the
Speaker 3: skun cape is walking through primarily there anywhere from let's
Speaker 3: say six to twelve feet, and in some cases obviously
Speaker 3: they've been larger, but let's just keep it at that max.
Speaker 3: So where your eye levels looking, A big boy trail
Speaker 3: would be something where the foliage like a tree, limbs
Speaker 3: and other things are broken up at these higher heights
Speaker 3: let's say six foot and above. We're a human. If
Speaker 3: we're walking through and I hit something at about four feet, okay,
Speaker 3: it's expected, but we're looking for things that are broken
Speaker 3: a little bit higher up that kind of make these
Speaker 3: big boys trail. So it's similar to a game trail,
Speaker 3: but something much larger is traversing through there. So we're
Speaker 3: keeping an eye out for those we haven't Personally, I
Speaker 3: haven't come across too many high tree breaks. I have
Speaker 3: seen some, but not many. But we're always looking, always
Speaker 3: trying to keep our eyes open. It's so hard being
Speaker 3: a big better because I feel like sometimes we're always
Speaker 3: looking down because they're like, where's the footprint, where's the footprint?
Speaker 3: But then we have to remind ourselves to also look
Speaker 3: up and look around, So that's tough. I'm sure I'll
Speaker 3: probably have neck problems by the time i'm old. So
Speaker 3: again finding that balance with some of these tree structures.
Speaker 3: I have seen some really interesting things where you can
Speaker 3: clearly see that tree has been pinned down. Now was
Speaker 3: that natural by a human or by a creature? I
Speaker 3: don't know. I wasn't there. I have seen some that
Speaker 3: seem to make these strange a triangle x's and things
Speaker 3: that are just really odd. So I have seen that.
Speaker 3: I actually just interviewed someone on my show yeahterday who
Speaker 3: does work up in Wisconsin, and he shared with me
Speaker 3: something really interesting, So I said, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 3: try to apply that logic here and see. So he
Speaker 3: was researching up in the northern Wisconsin Michigan area and
Speaker 3: said that they came across this tree structure and what
Speaker 3: they noticed was it was like a map towards the
Speaker 3: game trails, and I thought that was really interesting. He
Speaker 3: said they followed it and it led to another structure,
Speaker 3: which followed the game trails led to another one, and
Speaker 3: that this map was almost like pointing the way. And
Speaker 3: he said that he had tried to do this in
Speaker 3: another area that he researches a few hundred miles away,
Speaker 3: and he did not get the same result. It didn't
Speaker 3: lead to any more structures or anything like that. So
Speaker 3: his theory was, could it be that these maybe different
Speaker 3: family units or tribes or what have you, use them
Speaker 3: for different reasons and purposes, that they signified different things.
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, that's really interesting. So I'm
Speaker 3: just curious because, like I said, I try to keep
Speaker 3: that open mind. And as soon as I got done
Speaker 3: interviewing him, I wrote my friends and I said, hey,
Speaker 3: he just said something cool. Well, if we come across
Speaker 3: one of these structures next time, let's just try it out.
Speaker 3: Let's see if it does correlate with any game trails
Speaker 3: or if it's like a map or some let's just
Speaker 3: see it. So I thought that was really neat, So
Speaker 3: we'll see.
Speaker 1: I would be remiss if I didn't ask you. You
Speaker 1: said several times you're into the paranormal. Your channel is
Speaker 1: called Dark Florida. Have you had any weird or other
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences? Why you've been out in the woods. Have
Speaker 1: you seen strange lights? Have you seen UFOs? Have you
Speaker 1: had other weird things happen to you?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm so glad you asked. So I did have
Speaker 3: a UFO experience in twenty fourteen, before I got into
Speaker 3: any of this, I did have a UFO experience. And
Speaker 3: most recently, as far as paranormal stuff goes, when we
Speaker 3: were on that expedition that we had with the Brfrow
Speaker 3: here in Florida, that same place where we were at
Speaker 3: where we got that howl, we had our little base
Speaker 3: camp set up there and it's right by this eighteen
Speaker 3: hundred cemetery, so it's super creepy. There's some collapse great there.
Speaker 3: A lot of the headstones are so old you have
Speaker 3: no idea what they say, but the ones that we
Speaker 3: could see eighteen hundreds. One of the gentlemen was like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to put these little light balls out see
Speaker 3: if we get any activity. And I believe that. Another
Speaker 3: gentleman who was with us was like a sensitive, so
Speaker 3: you could really feel energy and he's, Oh, I'm just
Speaker 3: getting really bad vibes here, and I'm just kind of oh, okay,
Speaker 3: and so he pulls up the spirit box. It starts going.
Speaker 3: He says that he has tested it at his house
Speaker 3: and everything, and he's got nothing, nothing that will come
Speaker 3: through he said, I've run it for hours and never
Speaker 3: had anything. So I appreciated that context because it was
Speaker 3: good to know that this isn't just like a random
Speaker 3: word generator and all of a sudden having these responses
Speaker 3: that are seemingly intelligent. At one point, one of the
Speaker 3: gentlemen went to bend down and look at one of
Speaker 3: the headstones and it says, come sit with me, and
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, that's super creepy. We were just
Speaker 3: having those little moments, and so back to the balls.
Speaker 3: The one gentleman Rick is, can you please interact with
Speaker 3: us if you're here, Just use your energy to light
Speaker 3: up some of the balls or something. Let us know
Speaker 3: you here. Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. Oh okay, And I'm
Speaker 3: thinking this is like an eighteen hundred's ghost. They probably
Speaker 3: don't even know what these balls are like that makes
Speaker 3: no sense to them. And I always carry in my
Speaker 3: bag these emergency candles. So I just posed the question.
Speaker 3: I said, would you like me to light a candle instead?
Speaker 3: Because when we asked about the balls or these two complicateds,
Speaker 3: it said idiotic. That was the word that came through,
Speaker 3: and I was like, that's so funny. And then I said,
Speaker 3: would you prefer me to use candles? And it said
Speaker 3: not all of us. I said, okay, got it. And
Speaker 3: then we're getting these different words that are coming out,
Speaker 3: like purgatory, and we were having kind of some responses
Speaker 3: and one guy is just getting hit with this energy
Speaker 3: and he said, this is too much. I got to
Speaker 3: get out of this graveyard. And it really was like
Speaker 3: colder in there. The temperature. I know that seems strange,
Speaker 3: but it really was like when you stepped out of it,
Speaker 3: it was like you were were well into a different room. Literally,
Speaker 3: the temperature totally changed it. We wound up saying a
Speaker 3: prayer to just leave any sort of batter or negative
Speaker 3: energy that was there, because he was really starting to
Speaker 3: experience some things. But that was pretty cool. I always
Speaker 3: love it when sometimes those two worlds blend. Because as
Speaker 3: far as Bigfoot activity, that night, we had that howl,
Speaker 3: which was incredible, and thank god we did it when
Speaker 3: we did, because literally within two minutes of that, we
Speaker 3: could hear of the other group coming down the road
Speaker 3: because I guess they had the windows down and they
Speaker 3: were talking and listened to music and stuff, and they
Speaker 3: went barreling by it. Was pretty benign for the rest
Speaker 3: of the night when it came to bigfoot activity. So
Speaker 3: it was fun to get to do a little bit
Speaker 3: of paranormal in ghost hunting while we were out there.
Speaker 1: Always a plus. All Right, we've mentioned it a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Before we get out of here. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about Dark Florida. What do you have going on? Where
Speaker 1: can people find it? What are you doing over there?
Speaker 1: Tell us all you can about Dark Florida.
Speaker 3: All right, So on Dark Florida for everything from the
Speaker 3: Sunshine State and beyond. I love anything cryptids, unsolved, mysteries, eerie,
Speaker 3: true crime, you name it, strange news, I like to
Speaker 3: talk about it. I love the variety. So nothing is
Speaker 3: off limits over on Dark Florida and we cover literally everything.
Speaker 3: So I started the show because I just wanted to
Speaker 3: give a place where people could come and share their experiences.
Speaker 3: And actually I just got a code. There's going to
Speaker 3: be a twenty twenty five Bigfoot cruise coming up that's
Speaker 3: going to have our buddy RPG hosting it, and the
Speaker 3: big names like Jeff Meldrum, Mira Mayor, and Dave Politis
Speaker 3: that are going to be there. So if you use
Speaker 3: the code Dark Florida. When you sign up, you'll get
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars of free merch to go help them
Speaker 3: out and sign up for the Bigfoot Cruise. It is
Speaker 3: going to be awesome. That's on gather upevents dot com.
Speaker 3: They're the same folks who put on the Smoky Mountain
Speaker 3: Bigfoot Conference and the Great Florida One. I would just
Speaker 3: tell folks definitely come out and hang out with us
Speaker 3: next year. But you can find Dark Florida on Instagram
Speaker 3: at Dark Florida Podcast. I do have a Facebook page
Speaker 3: for Dark Florida. Then on YouTube, I post the show there.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get more active with posting a little
Speaker 3: bit of behind the scenes with field research and stuff,
Speaker 3: so be on the lookout for more of that over
Speaker 3: there as well. And that's also Dark Florida.
Speaker 1: I will link to that stuff in the show notes.
Speaker 1: You guys, go over and show her some love. Brooke,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the show. I've
Speaker 1: had a blast talking to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me.
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