Speaker 1: Any gun owner, shoot your gun train best thing.
Speaker 2: It's like guns and boats, right, you know, leave your
boat sitting in the garage for six years. Guess what
it's not going to start.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is gun Talk Nation.
This gun Dognation brought to you by Smith and Wesson,
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gun Talgnation Today. On Guntognation, we're gonna talk fancy guns,
fancy guns, the guns that will make you look good
on the GRAM. And if you don't know what the
GRAM is, I love you. You're You're just you're not assimilating
to the borg. This says nothing to do what we're
talking about. Jay Duncan, welcome in, Man.
Speaker 1: Thank you man. It's really good to be here and
hang out with you guys for a couple of days. Yeah,
you were about performance, man, about looking cool on the GRAM.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Jacob Gray Firearms It so so you guys are
down here for the Jacob Gray experience. We're doing this
class and people have heard of our bout of our experience.
This one. You've got Jacob Gray TWC nine double stack nine.
Speaker 1: W C black oh black, Yeah, No, you're good.
Speaker 2: But it's in nine. You have a Tragicon optic on top.
You've got the Sureshell tech amo yeah, and blackpoint holsters.
Speaker 1: Man. When you and I first talked about this class,
we were a little bit concerned about the price point, right,
because it was thirty five hundred bucks for somebody to
get into this, and that's you know, that's up there.
But when you think about the value that these guys
are getting, right, three thousand dollars gun, six or seven
hundred dollars optic, a couple hundred dollars in holsters, three
four hundred dollars in ammunition, and you can't really put
a price on the training that they're dating train with Chris, Right,
it actually turned out to be a really great value,
and we saw that when we sold out of the
class in ten days or something crazy like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in a matter of days. We had
one of the students this morning. They were kind of
going around making the introductions and he's like, you know,
I love coming to training. I've been here. They do
a great job. I am here because I wanted this gun. Yeah,
and they're hard to get yea. I mean, you guys
are kind of a bespoke boutique shop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good way to explain it.
Speaker 2: Ranking it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can elaborate on that a little bit. I mean,
we're not Ruger or Smith and Wesson. Right, We're not
building tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of guns
every year. Now, we're not making an insignificant amount of
firearms either. Right in the twenty eleven space, there's really
you know, you got Staccato that's the big dog, or
the double stack nineteen eleven space, as we need to
call it. You know, you got Staccato that's making forty
thousand guns a year, and then you've got a bunch
of little guys that are making two thousand guns and
fifteen hundred guns a year. Jacob Gray is kind of
right there in that messy middle. Right, we're making high
quality guns and make enough of them that they're available
through the traditional go to market strategy. Right, you can
find them at dealers, you can find them through distribution,
but they're not going to be at every gun shop
in America.
Speaker 2: Right in the double Stacked nineteen eleven were we were
kind of chuckling about it this morning because Okay, everybody
knows nineteen elevens the old cult forty five, and now
we've got modern nineteen elevens that shoot great, and now
we've went into nine milimeter or nineteen elevens probably out
sell forty five's. Man, I'm just guessing. And now it
feels like in the last I don't know, three or
four years, those double stacked nineteen elevens are very popular.
They're not new, No, I think pair of ordinance was
the first one.
Speaker 1: A bat tea I was doing it forever too. Yeah,
it's not a new thing.
Speaker 2: But it's generally they're generally their higher end they are.
There's not like cheap double stack nineteen elevens really compared
to other pistons.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I mean, you look kind of
at the bottom, the kind of the entry price is
between one thousand and fifteen hundred dollars to get into
a nineteen eleven, whereas like we've made a lot of
comparisons to the modern sporting rifle world and the explosion
of that space. You look at that and you can
get into an AR for three four hundred bucks these days,
and it won't be terrible, but it won't be great either.
But with double Stack nineteen elevens that kind of bottom
starts a little bit higher. I think it's neat for
people to get into this interested in this platform. It's
kind of cool in that there's a whole ecosystem of
accessories around the space, and I think that's what intrigues
people and erganomically. They're a great gun to use, They're
fun to shoot, they're easy to learn to shoot well,
as we're seeing out here with some of these guys.
Speaker 2: I got a question I just thought of this. Do
you think because we you know, people who are shooters,
they appreciate it because it's a heavier gun. It's all metal, yeaph,
it has a very nice trigger and because it's heavier,
a little bit felt less felt recoil. Do you think
that this would be a good or not good And
I don't know the answer gun to teach someone on that.
I could argue it both ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, me too. Yeah, I mean, I think
for the most part it would be a good gun
to train somebody on because they're going to have pretty
good success early on.
Speaker 2: They you just need to know that you have a
thumb safety. You have to learn how to run that. Yeah,
And you're gonna have a lighter trigger, not like a
scary light trigger, but it's going to be a lighter
trigger than maybe a long, heavy trigger pull on something else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the U I guess the fine motor skills involved
in shooting a double stake nineteen eleven is a little
bit higher skill than if you were to put a
glock or some other striker fired pistol in their hand.
Speaker 2: But it's certainly a whole lot of user shooting a
little bitty gun you hand out hard. You know, an
LCP pocket gun to a new shooter, even though it's
three eighty ACP. That's not an easy gun to shoot.
They're not a J frame revolver, not at all easy
to shoot. I love them, but they're not necessarily a
beginner's gun. Even one of those popular small carry guns,
the HKCC nine or a three sixty five. Those are
small guns and they're not it's not that they're hard.
Speaker 1: To shoot, but it's harder to shoot with them. Well yeah, right, Like, but.
Speaker 2: If you give someone a full sized gun, and I
think the look of it will be like, WHOA, this
is a big gun, holds lots of ammo. If you're
new to this, but with a little supervision, it's a fun,
comfortable gun to show.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. What did one of the guys say out
on the range today, I think you can buy a
little bit of performance y right, Yeah, it's one of.
Speaker 2: Our instructors, Taylor. He's like, okay, maybe you can buy performance. Well.
I mean, like we kept saying, this is this is
a race car, this is a Ferrari, this is a
tuned machine, one hundred percent of Camra.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a Toyota Cameray. They're both cars, right,
And then they said that analogy earlier today. Yeah, going
back to what you were talking about with the little
guns being difficult to shoot, I wouldn't really ever want
to train somebody on a little gun to start with,
you know what I mean. You hear a lot of
guys get introduced to introduce females or young children into
the industry with twenty twos, and I think that's great
because it's you know, lower recoil.
Speaker 2: It's a place to start.
Speaker 1: It's a good place to start. But the double stack
is not a bad place either. Like, like we talked
about fun guns to shoot, highly accurate, you can be
successful right out of the gate. It's just teaching people
the ergonomics of working that manual safety and learning how
to engage with with a trigger.
Speaker 2: One thing I would say, perhaps, since we're talking about
this as a hand this gun to a beginner and
teach them with it. The one thing that could be
a drawback if a beginner is a younger person or
a woman with smaller hands. The grip is bigger. It's
a double stack. Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you actually be surprised, Ryan. The Jacob Gray double
stacked nineteen eleven is the same width as a traditional
nineteen eleven with grip panels. Really, because we were able
to manufacture that aluminum, that grip out of aluminum, we've
got a little bit. We can get a little thinner
have a little bit thinner walls. If you're talking about
something like this, the Springfield Prodigy or the Staccato XC
those are injection molded plastic grips. They are a little
bit thicker because they do need additional wall thickness to
give it intrastructural integrity. So it's still is bigger than
a little you know what are we're talking about three
sixty five or something like that, right, sure, but they're
not unyieldy at all.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting. I didn't realize the difference there. Yeah,
well that kind of leads me into you were talking
about how you guys approached this, because yes, there are
the double stack nineteen elevens that are incredibly night but
also really expensive. Yeah, we're talking five six, seven thousand
dollars for a hand guy. Absolutely, and you guys kind of,
like you said, sort of fall in this middle part.
But there's the way you go about it with manufacturing
is interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit different approach. Like you just
spoke to We kind of occupied that messy mental right,
Like you could get into a double stack for one
thousand to fifteen hundred bucks and it'll be a fair gun,
but you're gonna have some forged parts, some metal injection
molded parts, injection molded parts that are somewhat commodity items.
Right then you'll go to the super high end of
that market. Like we talked about this the Atlas of
the world, the infinities, and these are five six, seven,
eight nine thousand dollars guns, right, and but what you're
paying for there is some gunsmith's time to sit at
a table for twenty hours.
Speaker 2: Do you know, Yeah, do you know Jason Burton?
Speaker 1: I don't know that name.
Speaker 2: He's he's a true boat gun makery out in Arizona
makes very very very nice nineteen eleven's and he's got
this long wait list. I don't I think he only
makes maybe thirty or forty guns a year, right, yea,
and they're they're expensive. I mean it's like an eight
thousand dollars nineteen eleven and as some one time, So
how do you how do you make an eight thousand
dollars nineteen eleven? He said, you just polish it until
it's eight thousand dollars. Yeah, and it's just time.
Speaker 1: You're paying for somebody's time, right, So you know, our
approach is a little bit different. I don't want to
spend all that labor and time at the bench with
a guy that has twenty years experience putting together guns.
We have experienced armorers, but I need them taking parts
that are well made that go together easily. So we
made a really significant investment on the front end with
really high end C and C equipment when the tech
machinery high tech machinery. So I think you know that
our background is in aerospace and make an aerospace parts.
You know, the tolerancing is unbelievably tight. Right, So when
I go to that same group of machinists and say, hey, guys,
for this gun to I won't say slap together, but
to go together quickly, I need you to hold three
tenths of one thousands of an inch on this diameter.
No problem, that's easy, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Whereas I've worked at other firearms manufacturers and plus or
minus five is hard, right right, So doing the work
on the front end, buying the right equipment, doing the engineering,
and the tolerance stack up on the front end translates
to less time on the bench that a guy has
to spend twenty thirty hours putting the gun together. For us,
if a gun takes longer than forty five minutes to
put together, something's wrong, right.
Speaker 2: Wow, So just kind of you're making the parts, so
there's not a lot of fitment stuff.
Speaker 1: Correct. The great thing about that also is you break
something on your gun. However, you know four months from
now you can call us and when you send you
apart and you drop it in. Whereas you buy one
of these best spoke one off guns, that part that
you broke was unique and fit to.
Speaker 2: That yeah, Edd, Yeah, so a little.
Speaker 1: Bit different thought process and how we do it. H
It's still it's still expensive. That equipment that I talked
about is not cheap, right. Sure, it's a significant investment
in that equipment. But the equipment doesn't call in sick.
The equipment doesn't complain or or not show up to work,
doesn't have health insurance, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So it's just run.
Speaker 1: From a business standpoint, it's easier for me to invest
in that equipment that runs all the time. Now, I
know that maybe crass to say. It's not that we
don't love and respect our employees. We do, but the equipment,
it's just a moving the money, moving the money around
inside the business for the cost of goods that goes
into the gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. It's it's neat to see you guys
making such a high end product in a high tech way,
an efficient way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool. I'd love to get you you
down to see the factory sometime and just see what
goes into making these gun parts.
Speaker 2: It's made in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: In South Carolina, yeah, and a little town called Prosperity,
right by Newberry College, a little Christian college there. Finding
employees is a challenge in a rural South Carolina area.
But we've got a good team right now and really
happy with what we've been doing. I mean, we've we've
got a back order. We're selling more guns than we
can make, and every consumer that we've put guns in
their hands have seemed to be happy with it. So
it's a good, good place to be right now.
Speaker 2: It leads to a back order, yes, yeah, all right,
let's take a quick break and we'll be right back,
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the industry for a long time. Yeah, I mean I
actually didn't know all of your background, even going back
to Knight's Army.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Knight's Armament was my first job in the industry.
I was going to college back home in Vero Beach, Florida.
I was playing in a Wednesday afternoon beer golf league,
right and just started chatting it up with one of
the guys that was in my foursome, and I turned
out he was an electro optical engineer at Knight's Armament
Company back in two thousand and two. To date myself
a little bit here, but if you remember, Knights had
the Night's Scope.
Speaker 2: What's funny is the Knight's Armament thing. To me, I
feel somewhat a little bit ignorant on because it feels
like this company you hear about and like nobody owns
their stuff. Now it's and it's hard to go like
bigger than they. Then people perhaps realize because they're not
in like the gun magazine.
Speaker 1: No they don't, I mean to them, the.
Speaker 2: Mostly like defensive defense stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, military, foreign militaries, so calm development projects. I mean
they really cool, really cool stuff. I mean the thing,
the thing that made Knights their mint of money was
the original RAZ contract, the rail adapter system. So every
M four in inventory at one point had a Knight's
Armament rail system on it, and Knights built every one
of them, and millions of those rails I assume met
a couple hundred bucks apiece, so they they've made great money.
They also had the M one ten contract for with
the with the Army for a number of years. They're
a neat company, really neat company. I worked there for
about two years right out of college and just learned
a lot, right Like, I worked for a guy named David,
Colonel David Lutz. If you hear this, dude, you're kind
of my godfather in the industry to blame. Yeah, Colonel Lutz,
a brilliant guy, had been at Nights for a long time.
He was in the Marine Corps prior to that as
a as a program manager h and just really took
me under his wing and taught me a lot through
that time. That's when I had met Marty Daniel and
then transitioned to work for Marty and was the first
employee at Daniel Defense and worked there for about a
decade and then just been in the industry ever since.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: So it's I feel, you know, really blessed that if
I hadn't been putting that foursome on that Wednesday beer
golf league, I never would have met Tony never when
I got the job, you know. So it's like life
is full of coincidences and what a path. Yeah, it's neat,
it's neat.
Speaker 2: My wife has tried to teach me that it's not
coincidences all the time. It's Scott's planned.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I've I think guys are that, you know, women are
more of like, wow, you know God had a part
in that. Yeah, I think it's just our personality. I'm like, uh,
I'm kind of just oh wow, that's a weird coincidence.
She's like, Ryan, that was not that was that was
a higher power.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I Marty used to always have a say in
too many coincidences aren't a coincidence anymore, it's somebody else's plan, right,
It was like that really resonates with you, man. Well,
it's the same way with the way I came to
work for Jacob Gray, right, just like a buddy in
the industry that I had known for a long time
just called me out of the blue and what are
you doing and pitched me on Jacob Gray and I'm like, hey,
sounds kind of cool, kind of ground floor. Let's uh,
let's get in there. And I've been there about two years,
two and a half years, and uh, it's been fun.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's interesting. Are the gun industry. I
try to tell people this, It's like, it's it's a
pretty cool industry. People don't tend to leave it, No,
they tend to They may move around to different companies
or whatever. But and they could, right, you could go
work for a different industry, in a different field or whatever.
But how do you explain that to people who are like,
what's up with this gun industry thing? Because it seems
like I don't know those people that you work with,
and then you become friends with these people more so
than you would perhaps in other places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it is interesting. I'd never I mean,
the only other job I had outside the industry was
in the army, so that's a little little different. But
I get exactly what you're saying, Like some of the
relationships that you build inside this industry are brothers, you know,
and it's just people that you're always going to look
out for them. I think it could be that we're
all kind of in pursuit of the same goal, right,
We've all got a deep passion for the shooting sports
and the Second Amendment, and then we feel like what
we do as an industry as a whole lifts everybody up.
And so there's not a ton of and maybe you
can speak to this, I don't ever see it even
amongst media organizations or manufacturers. There's not a ton of camaraderie,
or not camaraderie, but combativeness against one another, right, right,
Like there's enough pie out there for all of us
to make a good living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they're they're compete business wise as
you try to want a win thing, right, but there
is a shared vision and uh kind of a shared
values of of you know, gun rights generally freedom loving people.
I love that we're when we're at events, we say
that everyone stands up and says the Pledge of allegiance,
they say a prayer, they'll sing the national anthem, all
that type of stuff, and so you do end up
kind of with shared values. And probably if that's not
your values, I guess those are the ones perhaps who
don't still around, you know, but I think that and
you have. It's funny too, because what do we do
for fun? Shoot? We shoot and we hunt. It's like,
you know, there's there's not a lot of golfersough. I
mean I like golf and you're just talking about golf.
But but it's like, you know, oh, we're gonna do
a business deal. We need to invite some clients on
a thing. They go take guns and they go hunting. Yeah, yeah,
let's go, we're gonna go shooting.
Speaker 1: Well it's cool, man, It's and what a what an
opportunity for us to be able to work in something
that you're passionate about, right Like, I I couldn't imagine
if I'd sold vinyl sighting or did marketing for roofing
nails or something, right like, how miserable would that be?
And maybe you'd find passionate it in some other way.
But it's like, this is just awesome that we get
to uh market talk about sell these cool things that
you're you have an affinity for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and most people when you tell them what
you do. They're like, what you get to do that
for work?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, dude, It's actually hilarious. I was went over
to my neighbor's house yesterday and not yesterday, it was
Thursday or something. They're kind of having a little picnic
outside and I'm just shooting the shit with one of
the guys and said, Hey, I'm headed to Louisiana tomorrow
to do this thing. And he's like, man, I got
a buddy that does that. He works for a company
and he shoots, he shoots this, that and the other.
And he's like, I can't believe he gets to do
that for a job. And I'm like, well, who are
you talking about. He's like, he's really tall and his
name's Adam. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know Am. I
seeing him all the time, you know. And it's like,
it's funny that our industry is now incestuous and there's
the guy that doesn't I mean, he knows me but
doesn't really know Me's bragging about his buddy that gets
to do the things that we get to do. It's neat, yeah, neat.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I wanted to go back because we were
One of the things I love about running these classes
and doing experiences is you get all sorts of different
shooters and you really get to run these guns and
the optics and the ambul and all that stuff. And
I mean we're burning through thousands of rounds of AMMO
and it's a great test of the quip and it's
also a great test of like shooters shooting and what
are they doing wrong or right? And all this stuff
you were talking about. And maybe it's a little education
for people like the double Stack nineteen elevens because we
do compare him to a race car. There actually is
maybe some tuning a little bit that can happen. I mean,
you can take your gun out of the box and
go shoot it, but you can also tune it up
depending on the AMMO, depending on what you're trying to
do with.
Speaker 1: Ye I want to go back and just remind us
to come back to that because I want to speak
to one thing you said about the diverse group of
people that's here. Yeah. I think in this class we
have a heart surgeon and a retired truck driver and
everybody in between all walks of life. For me, as
a marketer and business guy, it is so invaluable to
hear the feedback directly out of that customer's mouth about
his experience with my product. I could never do that
with a round table or pay some marketing firm to
do a net promoter scores study. For me, it's like
I'm getting a ton of value out of just listening
to these dudes. So anyways, that's just so cool, and
I wish we could do more stuff like that to
have direct engagement with the consumer about how they feel
about our product. And then going back to the tuning, Yeah,
I mean the twenty eleven Space to the Double Stack
nineteen eleven. They're great guns and able to be run
right out of the box, but it's just like anything else.
If you decide, hey, I'm only going to run it
with this particular AMMO, and I want to have my
trigger to one and a half pounds or whatever, there's
some tuning that you can do to adjust that gun
to you. Right, going back to the golf analogy, right,
it's like you can buy a set of calaways off
the shelf and they'll work great for you, or what
you can go get fit for a set of pings
that will really be dialed into the way you shoot
and the ball you play and your clubhead speed. Same thing.
It's like, these guns are customizable enough that you can
make it work for you and be your own to
fit your shooting style and the conditions you like to
shoot in well.
Speaker 2: And that's the good news, Like you can do that. Yeah,
I mean, a lot of guns you can take them
out of the box to shoot them. You can't do
a lot of tuning with them.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you can accessorize them and paint them or
whatever else, but uh yeah, there's no you're not going
to take out your seer and stone it to make
the trigger while feel crisper or whatever, you know what
I mean. And you could do that with these guns.
I mean, and I think that's part of the fun
of this platform, right, is that you can do that
and you're you're immersed in the education of how to
do it right. That's why I think that when guys
catch the long range shooting bug, they do the same thing, right,
because they geek out on the math and the science
of the long range shooting and this is similar. It's
just you're geeking out on the engineering side of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you get to be the gunsmith and it's
a it's a platform the nineteen eleven is a platform
that's friendly to that. I mean it is you can
you can school yourself up a little bit and be
able to work on it. What are what are some
frequently asked questions you guys get all the time, maybe
specific to the platform or particular to the company. I
would think one of those would be maintenance, wear and tear.
They were kind of talking about this morning of like,
you know, what am I supposed to do round count wise?
You know, break in period.
Speaker 1: The biggest question that we get is right now, and
I think it's because red dots are so hot. It's
what red dot works with this gun, right. That one's
a big one. We get a lot other questions, like
you said about general maintenance, right, we include we've got
some instructions in the manual, and then also some videos
on our website that teach people just how to field
strip the gun. Sorry, that's right, yeah, and how to
field strip Jesus We're good, yeah, sorry, all right, how
to field strip the gun. And then going back to
some of those questions about springs and life and things
like that. There's not anything other than just those kind
of general questions that people have that stand out to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what about I mean anything that's specific that
they should or shouldn't do lubrication wise, just kind of
looking for pro tips people listening, or like I've got
a nineteen eleven or or I've never owned one of
those Doublestack nineteen eleven's. I mean, is it is it
high maintenance?
Speaker 1: I mean they're not high maintenance. And the thing I
would say any any gun owner, shoot your gun train
best thing.
Speaker 2: It's like guns and boats, right, you know, leave your
boat sitting in the garage for six years, guess what
it's not going to start? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, regular use will help keep your gun in
good working order, taking care of it, cleaning it. You
don't have to be this super anal person about oh,
every time I shoot one hundred rounds, I've got to
take this gun apart and clean it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's like, doesn't require.
Speaker 2: Guys, I'm gonna just throw that out to my buddy Kevin.
You don't have to. Yeah, I'm talking to you, buddy.
You don't have to take it apart every time.
Speaker 1: You don't. It's fun if you like to do that,
have fun. If that's your therapy to take your gun
apart and run some oil on it. Yeah, have at it. Right,
It's not required though other pro tips train I mentioned
you should train.
Speaker 2: You should probably train, get some trigger time. Yeah, And
I think people think that I talk about training often
because we run classes, and I'm like, no, no, go anywhere,
go with anybody, go train. But we want people who
are not just gun owners, but are proficient with their gun. Right.
Speaker 1: It's a perishable skill. Right. If you didn't drive every day, right,
and then you go and jump and try to run
an indie race or something, you're not going to be great. Right.
It's the same thing with golf or baseball or any
any of these sports that require both gross motor skills
and find motor skills. You got to use it or
lose it. So yeah, dry fire as much as you can,
understand how your trigger finger wor get the gun in
your hand as much as you can and shoot as
much as you can. You get out and shoot it,
and then you'll figure out what you need to do
to take care of that gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You guys are on a back order. You guys are.
Perhaps this is not a huge company, so perhaps for
somebody listening to this, they may go how do I
see one? How do I touch one? Do you guys
go to shows like NRA show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be at the NRA convention and whatever that is.
That's sneaking up honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the end of Atlanta, end of April. Everybody in Atlanta,
the intera Annual convention. Yep, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be my twenty third in our something like that.
So yeah, NRA great event. The expo is cool. It's
another great opportunity to engage with consumers, right because it's
like wherever they move that show around every year, and
so it's like you get this little section of the
shooter that shows up right right. I think it was
in India a couple of years ago. Just really cool
to get exposed to those things.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit different too, like depending on where
you are in the country of what people are doing
with their guns, hunting, what type of shooting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we went out west, not way out west,
but midwest a couple of years ago. I don't remember
where it was, and the guys you know, come up
talking about mule deer hunting and then and then in Atlanta.
I'm sure it's going to be a lot of defensive
pistol shooting guys, guys that are into concealed carry. Sure,
there'll be some hunters, but it's just it's interesting. It's
a good cross section of our of our industry and
supports a good, good effort that the NRA's after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's there's some good new things happening with
the n RA. So if you haven't noticed yet, I
know that we've been talking about on the radio show.
But there's a there's new people coming into the board.
Speaker 1: So it's been through a tumultuous time here the last
few years. And you know, it's like any other organization.
After some time, you've got to wash out the folks
that aren't in pursuit of the goals of the organization
and find people who who do support what we're trying
to do. It'll be it'll be a good show. I'm
excited for it. So going back to your question, and
where do they see you, Jacob Gray, So, yeah, we'll
be at the NRA show. If you're within a couple
hours of Atlanta, come see us. We do have a
dealer network across the country, a couple hundred dealers, not
a bunch. Give us a call, let us know where
you are. We'll say, hey, yeah, I've got a guy wherever. Sure,
We've got a dealer locator that I'm working on for
the website as well that to point people to where
you can see them. Man, do your homework. Get out
on YouTube. See what people are saying about us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because people are talking about you guys. Yeah, just
search Jacob Gray Firearms. You'll find stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you will. That's the fun part of the job
is working with media and being able to expose them
to a brand. And I've known a lot of these
media creators for a long time and you know, they
trust and respect my opinion and I haven't steered them
wrong yet with a product. So this one's good and
they like it. How else can you see a Jacob Gray.
We do sell a little bit through distribution to Sports
South and RSRS. So if you're familiar with.
Speaker 2: A gun so like a gun store. If they were
listening to this and said, man, we maybe we should
get one of those in and they could, they could
call those places.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we've done something pretty unique here with Sports
South in the last month or so. We did it
what we call in the industry and SMU a special makeup.
So we've got a special gun through Sports South that's
an exclusive. It's called the TWC Elite, a little bit
different flavor than what we've got here at the class,
and that one's doing pretty well.
Speaker 2: So what's on it? What's the deal? How's it?
Speaker 1: You've got to call sports out, No, it's it's very
similar to the Black. It's got a little bit different
painting job, a little bit different stimpling, couple different components,
but cool, cool entry level twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Okay, that's great to know. Well you guys, I
hope we've wet your whistle a little bit with the
double stat nineteen eleven talk Jacob Gray, Firearms, Jay Duncan.
That's it for us. We will see you next time
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