1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Any gun owner, shoot your gun train best thing. 2 00:00:04,679 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: It's like guns and boats, right, you know, leave your 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,960 boat sitting in the garage for six years. Guess what 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:10,880 it's not going to start. 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:11,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 6 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:24,519 Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is gun Talk Nation. 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,799 This gun Dognation brought to you by Smith and Wesson, 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:38,560 Range Ready, Ruger, Vortex and Wheeler. All right, welcome into 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,200 gun Talgnation Today. On Guntognation, we're gonna talk fancy guns, 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,600 fancy guns, the guns that will make you look good 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,600 on the GRAM. And if you don't know what the 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,880 GRAM is, I love you. You're You're just you're not assimilating 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,600 to the borg. This says nothing to do what we're 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,479 talking about. Jay Duncan, welcome in, Man. 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,679 Speaker 1: Thank you man. It's really good to be here and 16 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:03,759 hang out with you guys for a couple of days. Yeah, 17 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:06,799 you were about performance, man, about looking cool on the GRAM. 18 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:10,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. Jacob Gray Firearms It so so you guys are 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,879 down here for the Jacob Gray experience. We're doing this 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,439 class and people have heard of our bout of our experience. 21 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:21,040 This one. You've got Jacob Gray TWC nine double stack nine. 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: W C black oh black, Yeah, No, you're good. 23 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:27,719 Speaker 2: But it's in nine. You have a Tragicon optic on top. 24 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:33,799 You've got the Sureshell tech amo yeah, and blackpoint holsters. 25 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: Man. When you and I first talked about this class, 26 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:39,879 we were a little bit concerned about the price point, right, 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,000 because it was thirty five hundred bucks for somebody to 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,319 get into this, and that's you know, that's up there. 29 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:47,120 But when you think about the value that these guys 30 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:50,239 are getting, right, three thousand dollars gun, six or seven 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,799 hundred dollars optic, a couple hundred dollars in holsters, three 32 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,640 four hundred dollars in ammunition, and you can't really put 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,760 a price on the training that they're dating train with Chris, Right, 34 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:03,400 it actually turned out to be a really great value, 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,719 and we saw that when we sold out of the 36 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,000 class in ten days or something crazy like that. 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in a matter of days. We had 38 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:11,919 one of the students this morning. They were kind of 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,599 going around making the introductions and he's like, you know, 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,439 I love coming to training. I've been here. They do 41 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:22,639 a great job. I am here because I wanted this gun. Yeah, 42 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,280 and they're hard to get yea. I mean, you guys 43 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,520 are kind of a bespoke boutique shop. 44 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:28,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good way to explain it. 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: Ranking it out. 46 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can elaborate on that a little bit. I mean, 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,599 we're not Ruger or Smith and Wesson. Right, We're not 48 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,919 building tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of guns 49 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,719 every year. Now, we're not making an insignificant amount of 50 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:45,240 firearms either. Right in the twenty eleven space, there's really 51 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:47,879 you know, you got Staccato that's the big dog, or 52 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,919 the double stack nineteen eleven space, as we need to 53 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,240 call it. You know, you got Staccato that's making forty 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,759 thousand guns a year, and then you've got a bunch 55 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,319 of little guys that are making two thousand guns and 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,680 fifteen hundred guns a year. Jacob Gray is kind of 57 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:06,319 right there in that messy middle. Right, we're making high 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,680 quality guns and make enough of them that they're available 59 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:13,199 through the traditional go to market strategy. Right, you can 60 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,120 find them at dealers, you can find them through distribution, 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,719 but they're not going to be at every gun shop 62 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:19,360 in America. 63 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:22,319 Speaker 2: Right in the double Stacked nineteen eleven were we were 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,639 kind of chuckling about it this morning because Okay, everybody 65 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,520 knows nineteen elevens the old cult forty five, and now 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,840 we've got modern nineteen elevens that shoot great, and now 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,319 we've went into nine milimeter or nineteen elevens probably out 68 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:42,199 sell forty five's. Man, I'm just guessing. And now it 69 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:44,719 feels like in the last I don't know, three or 70 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:48,960 four years, those double stacked nineteen elevens are very popular. 71 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,800 They're not new, No, I think pair of ordinance was 72 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:52,319 the first one. 73 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:54,719 Speaker 1: A bat tea I was doing it forever too. Yeah, 74 00:03:54,719 --> 00:03:55,719 it's not a new thing. 75 00:03:55,639 --> 00:04:01,159 Speaker 2: But it's generally they're generally their higher end they are. 76 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:05,560 There's not like cheap double stack nineteen elevens really compared 77 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:06,360 to other pistons. 78 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:08,199 Speaker 1: That's a good point. I mean, you look kind of 79 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,319 at the bottom, the kind of the entry price is 80 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:15,000 between one thousand and fifteen hundred dollars to get into 81 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:17,519 a nineteen eleven, whereas like we've made a lot of 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,959 comparisons to the modern sporting rifle world and the explosion 83 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,560 of that space. You look at that and you can 84 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,959 get into an AR for three four hundred bucks these days, 85 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:28,480 and it won't be terrible, but it won't be great either. 86 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,079 But with double Stack nineteen elevens that kind of bottom 87 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:35,399 starts a little bit higher. I think it's neat for 88 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:40,839 people to get into this interested in this platform. It's 89 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:43,680 kind of cool in that there's a whole ecosystem of 90 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:47,439 accessories around the space, and I think that's what intrigues 91 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,920 people and erganomically. They're a great gun to use, They're 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,800 fun to shoot, they're easy to learn to shoot well, 93 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:56,800 as we're seeing out here with some of these guys. 94 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: I got a question I just thought of this. Do 95 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:02,000 you think because we you know, people who are shooters, 96 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,920 they appreciate it because it's a heavier gun. It's all metal, yeaph, 97 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:10,720 it has a very nice trigger and because it's heavier, 98 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,439 a little bit felt less felt recoil. Do you think 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,199 that this would be a good or not good And 100 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,040 I don't know the answer gun to teach someone on that. 101 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,519 I could argue it both ways. 102 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, me too. Yeah, I mean, I think 103 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:26,959 for the most part it would be a good gun 104 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,480 to train somebody on because they're going to have pretty 105 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,160 good success early on. 106 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,759 Speaker 2: They you just need to know that you have a 107 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:36,879 thumb safety. You have to learn how to run that. Yeah, 108 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:40,120 And you're gonna have a lighter trigger, not like a 109 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,079 scary light trigger, but it's going to be a lighter 110 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:45,600 trigger than maybe a long, heavy trigger pull on something else. 111 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:49,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, the U I guess the fine motor skills involved 112 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,319 in shooting a double stake nineteen eleven is a little 113 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:54,759 bit higher skill than if you were to put a 114 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:57,519 glock or some other striker fired pistol in their hand. 115 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:01,079 Speaker 2: But it's certainly a whole lot of user shooting a 116 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,000 little bitty gun you hand out hard. You know, an 117 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,160 LCP pocket gun to a new shooter, even though it's 118 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:11,720 three eighty ACP. That's not an easy gun to shoot. 119 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,319 They're not a J frame revolver, not at all easy 120 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,959 to shoot. I love them, but they're not necessarily a 121 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,319 beginner's gun. Even one of those popular small carry guns, 122 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,800 the HKCC nine or a three sixty five. Those are 123 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,959 small guns and they're not it's not that they're hard. 124 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: To shoot, but it's harder to shoot with them. Well yeah, right, Like, but. 125 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:33,959 Speaker 2: If you give someone a full sized gun, and I 126 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,839 think the look of it will be like, WHOA, this 127 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:39,000 is a big gun, holds lots of ammo. If you're 128 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,600 new to this, but with a little supervision, it's a fun, 129 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,720 comfortable gun to show. 130 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,959 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. What did one of the guys say out 131 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:48,879 on the range today, I think you can buy a 132 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:51,399 little bit of performance y right, Yeah, it's one of. 133 00:06:51,319 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: Our instructors, Taylor. He's like, okay, maybe you can buy performance. Well. 134 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,920 I mean, like we kept saying, this is this is 135 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,040 a race car, this is a Ferrari, this is a 136 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,680 tuned machine, one hundred percent of Camra. 137 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: It's not it's not a Toyota Cameray. They're both cars, right, 138 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,560 And then they said that analogy earlier today. Yeah, going 139 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,439 back to what you were talking about with the little 140 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:17,560 guns being difficult to shoot, I wouldn't really ever want 141 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,000 to train somebody on a little gun to start with, 142 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,959 you know what I mean. You hear a lot of 143 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,240 guys get introduced to introduce females or young children into 144 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,279 the industry with twenty twos, and I think that's great 145 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:29,560 because it's you know, lower recoil. 146 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:30,439 Speaker 2: It's a place to start. 147 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,759 Speaker 1: It's a good place to start. But the double stack 148 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:35,120 is not a bad place either. Like, like we talked 149 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,839 about fun guns to shoot, highly accurate, you can be 150 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,920 successful right out of the gate. It's just teaching people 151 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:45,399 the ergonomics of working that manual safety and learning how 152 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:46,839 to engage with with a trigger. 153 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: One thing I would say, perhaps, since we're talking about 154 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:52,839 this as a hand this gun to a beginner and 155 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,199 teach them with it. The one thing that could be 156 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:59,040 a drawback if a beginner is a younger person or 157 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:01,879 a woman with smaller hands. The grip is bigger. It's 158 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:02,920 a double stack. Yep. 159 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:08,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, you actually be surprised, Ryan. The Jacob Gray double 160 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:12,199 stacked nineteen eleven is the same width as a traditional 161 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:15,279 nineteen eleven with grip panels. Really, because we were able 162 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:18,680 to manufacture that aluminum, that grip out of aluminum, we've 163 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,639 got a little bit. We can get a little thinner 164 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:23,360 have a little bit thinner walls. If you're talking about 165 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:26,680 something like this, the Springfield Prodigy or the Staccato XC 166 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,839 those are injection molded plastic grips. They are a little 167 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:32,399 bit thicker because they do need additional wall thickness to 168 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,120 give it intrastructural integrity. So it's still is bigger than 169 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:38,200 a little you know what are we're talking about three 170 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,159 sixty five or something like that, right, sure, but they're 171 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,879 not unyieldy at all. 172 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting. I didn't realize the difference there. Yeah, 173 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,159 well that kind of leads me into you were talking 174 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,879 about how you guys approached this, because yes, there are 175 00:08:53,440 --> 00:09:00,519 the double stack nineteen elevens that are incredibly night but 176 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,120 also really expensive. Yeah, we're talking five six, seven thousand 177 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,200 dollars for a hand guy. Absolutely, and you guys kind of, 178 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,440 like you said, sort of fall in this middle part. 179 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,080 But there's the way you go about it with manufacturing 180 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:14,279 is interesting. 181 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit different approach. Like you just 182 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,120 spoke to We kind of occupied that messy mental right, 183 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,399 Like you could get into a double stack for one 184 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,360 thousand to fifteen hundred bucks and it'll be a fair gun, 185 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:29,200 but you're gonna have some forged parts, some metal injection 186 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:35,240 molded parts, injection molded parts that are somewhat commodity items. 187 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,000 Right then you'll go to the super high end of 188 00:09:38,039 --> 00:09:41,039 that market. Like we talked about this the Atlas of 189 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,159 the world, the infinities, and these are five six, seven, 190 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,480 eight nine thousand dollars guns, right, and but what you're 191 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:51,440 paying for there is some gunsmith's time to sit at 192 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,919 a table for twenty hours. 193 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: Do you know, Yeah, do you know Jason Burton? 194 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,279 Speaker 1: I don't know that name. 195 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: He's he's a true boat gun makery out in Arizona 196 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:06,120 makes very very very nice nineteen eleven's and he's got 197 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,120 this long wait list. I don't I think he only 198 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:10,240 makes maybe thirty or forty guns a year, right, yea, 199 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,240 and they're they're expensive. I mean it's like an eight 200 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:17,120 thousand dollars nineteen eleven and as some one time, So 201 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:19,960 how do you how do you make an eight thousand 202 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 dollars nineteen eleven? He said, you just polish it until 203 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,519 it's eight thousand dollars. Yeah, and it's just time. 204 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: You're paying for somebody's time, right, So you know, our 205 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:32,360 approach is a little bit different. I don't want to 206 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:36,200 spend all that labor and time at the bench with 207 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,720 a guy that has twenty years experience putting together guns. 208 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,720 We have experienced armorers, but I need them taking parts 209 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,799 that are well made that go together easily. So we 210 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:50,279 made a really significant investment on the front end with 211 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,840 really high end C and C equipment when the tech 212 00:10:53,879 --> 00:10:56,879 machinery high tech machinery. So I think you know that 213 00:10:56,919 --> 00:11:00,519 our background is in aerospace and make an aerospace parts. 214 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:05,080 You know, the tolerancing is unbelievably tight. Right, So when 215 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,000 I go to that same group of machinists and say, hey, guys, 216 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,399 for this gun to I won't say slap together, but 217 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,000 to go together quickly, I need you to hold three 218 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:15,679 tenths of one thousands of an inch on this diameter. 219 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,200 No problem, that's easy, that's it. 220 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:18,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 221 00:11:19,159 --> 00:11:21,799 Speaker 1: Whereas I've worked at other firearms manufacturers and plus or 222 00:11:21,799 --> 00:11:25,759 minus five is hard, right right, So doing the work 223 00:11:25,799 --> 00:11:29,600 on the front end, buying the right equipment, doing the engineering, 224 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:32,440 and the tolerance stack up on the front end translates 225 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,279 to less time on the bench that a guy has 226 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,919 to spend twenty thirty hours putting the gun together. For us, 227 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,879 if a gun takes longer than forty five minutes to 228 00:11:40,879 --> 00:11:42,600 put together, something's wrong, right. 229 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: Wow, So just kind of you're making the parts, so 230 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,000 there's not a lot of fitment stuff. 231 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:50,759 Speaker 1: Correct. The great thing about that also is you break 232 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:53,799 something on your gun. However, you know four months from 233 00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:55,639 now you can call us and when you send you 234 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,320 apart and you drop it in. Whereas you buy one 235 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:01,679 of these best spoke one off guns, that part that 236 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:03,720 you broke was unique and fit to. 237 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:07,799 Speaker 2: That yeah, Edd, Yeah, so a little. 238 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,639 Speaker 1: Bit different thought process and how we do it. H 239 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:14,960 It's still it's still expensive. That equipment that I talked 240 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,759 about is not cheap, right. Sure, it's a significant investment 241 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:21,480 in that equipment. But the equipment doesn't call in sick. 242 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,919 The equipment doesn't complain or or not show up to work, 243 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,159 doesn't have health insurance, you know what I mean. 244 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: So it's just run. 245 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: From a business standpoint, it's easier for me to invest 246 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:35,120 in that equipment that runs all the time. Now, I 247 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:38,080 know that maybe crass to say. It's not that we 248 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,159 don't love and respect our employees. We do, but the equipment, 249 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,399 it's just a moving the money, moving the money around 250 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,120 inside the business for the cost of goods that goes 251 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:47,679 into the gun. 252 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:51,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. It's it's neat to see you guys 253 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,879 making such a high end product in a high tech way, 254 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:55,759 an efficient way. 255 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool. I'd love to get you you 256 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:01,679 down to see the factory sometime and just see what 257 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:03,360 goes into making these gun parts. 258 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: It's made in South Carolina. 259 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: In South Carolina, yeah, and a little town called Prosperity, 260 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:11,840 right by Newberry College, a little Christian college there. Finding 261 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:16,200 employees is a challenge in a rural South Carolina area. 262 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:19,679 But we've got a good team right now and really 263 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,120 happy with what we've been doing. I mean, we've we've 264 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,840 got a back order. We're selling more guns than we 265 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:29,080 can make, and every consumer that we've put guns in 266 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,960 their hands have seemed to be happy with it. 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Yeah, I mean I 321 00:16:28,679 --> 00:16:31,000 actually didn't know all of your background, even going back 322 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,080 to Knight's Army. 323 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Knight's Armament was my first job in the industry. 324 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,200 I was going to college back home in Vero Beach, Florida. 325 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:43,159 I was playing in a Wednesday afternoon beer golf league, 326 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,600 right and just started chatting it up with one of 327 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,840 the guys that was in my foursome, and I turned 328 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,720 out he was an electro optical engineer at Knight's Armament 329 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:56,519 Company back in two thousand and two. To date myself 330 00:16:56,559 --> 00:16:59,159 a little bit here, but if you remember, Knights had 331 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,519 the Night's Scope. 332 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: What's funny is the Knight's Armament thing. To me, I 333 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,759 feel somewhat a little bit ignorant on because it feels 334 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:12,480 like this company you hear about and like nobody owns 335 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:15,119 their stuff. Now it's and it's hard to go like 336 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,200 bigger than they. Then people perhaps realize because they're not 337 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:20,599 in like the gun magazine. 338 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,559 Speaker 1: No they don't, I mean to them, the. 339 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: Mostly like defensive defense stuff. 340 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, military, foreign militaries, so calm development projects. I mean 341 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,160 they really cool, really cool stuff. I mean the thing, 342 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:37,720 the thing that made Knights their mint of money was 343 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:42,400 the original RAZ contract, the rail adapter system. So every 344 00:17:43,079 --> 00:17:46,039 M four in inventory at one point had a Knight's 345 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,519 Armament rail system on it, and Knights built every one 346 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:53,759 of them, and millions of those rails I assume met 347 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:56,400 a couple hundred bucks apiece, so they they've made great money. 348 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,920 They also had the M one ten contract for with 349 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,119 the with the Army for a number of years. They're 350 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,160 a neat company, really neat company. I worked there for 351 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,119 about two years right out of college and just learned 352 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,799 a lot, right Like, I worked for a guy named David, 353 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,359 Colonel David Lutz. If you hear this, dude, you're kind 354 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,680 of my godfather in the industry to blame. Yeah, Colonel Lutz, 355 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:22,240 a brilliant guy, had been at Nights for a long time. 356 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:24,000 He was in the Marine Corps prior to that as 357 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,759 a as a program manager h and just really took 358 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:29,920 me under his wing and taught me a lot through 359 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,039 that time. That's when I had met Marty Daniel and 360 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,279 then transitioned to work for Marty and was the first 361 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,799 employee at Daniel Defense and worked there for about a 362 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:41,480 decade and then just been in the industry ever since. 363 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: Man. 364 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: So it's I feel, you know, really blessed that if 365 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,519 I hadn't been putting that foursome on that Wednesday beer 366 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:51,200 golf league, I never would have met Tony never when 367 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,160 I got the job, you know. So it's like life 368 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,279 is full of coincidences and what a path. Yeah, it's neat, 369 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:56,920 it's neat. 370 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,319 Speaker 2: My wife has tried to teach me that it's not 371 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,400 coincidences all the time. It's Scott's planned. 372 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:05,039 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 373 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: I've I think guys are that, you know, women are 374 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,920 more of like, wow, you know God had a part 375 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,519 in that. Yeah, I think it's just our personality. I'm like, uh, 376 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:17,480 I'm kind of just oh wow, that's a weird coincidence. 377 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:21,079 She's like, Ryan, that was not that was that was 378 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:21,720 a higher power. 379 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:22,279 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 380 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:22,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 381 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I Marty used to always have a say in 382 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,599 too many coincidences aren't a coincidence anymore, it's somebody else's plan, right, 383 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,720 It was like that really resonates with you, man. Well, 384 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:35,720 it's the same way with the way I came to 385 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,319 work for Jacob Gray, right, just like a buddy in 386 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,960 the industry that I had known for a long time 387 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,160 just called me out of the blue and what are 388 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,839 you doing and pitched me on Jacob Gray and I'm like, hey, 389 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:52,440 sounds kind of cool, kind of ground floor. Let's uh, 390 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,880 let's get in there. And I've been there about two years, 391 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,559 two and a half years, and uh, it's been fun. 392 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: And you know, it's interesting. Are the gun industry. I 393 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,799 try to tell people this, It's like, it's it's a 394 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:08,799 pretty cool industry. People don't tend to leave it, No, 395 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,279 they tend to They may move around to different companies 396 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,640 or whatever. But and they could, right, you could go 397 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,000 work for a different industry, in a different field or whatever. 398 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:19,759 But how do you explain that to people who are like, 399 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:21,920 what's up with this gun industry thing? Because it seems 400 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,200 like I don't know those people that you work with, 401 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,319 and then you become friends with these people more so 402 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,960 than you would perhaps in other places. 403 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:33,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it is interesting. I'd never I mean, 404 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:35,440 the only other job I had outside the industry was 405 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,640 in the army, so that's a little little different. But 406 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,119 I get exactly what you're saying, Like some of the 407 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,480 relationships that you build inside this industry are brothers, you know, 408 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:46,920 and it's just people that you're always going to look 409 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,519 out for them. I think it could be that we're 410 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:50,559 all kind of in pursuit of the same goal, right, 411 00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:54,240 We've all got a deep passion for the shooting sports 412 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,839 and the Second Amendment, and then we feel like what 413 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,480 we do as an industry as a whole lifts everybody up. 414 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,039 And so there's not a ton of and maybe you 415 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:05,119 can speak to this, I don't ever see it even 416 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:10,160 amongst media organizations or manufacturers. There's not a ton of camaraderie, 417 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,400 or not camaraderie, but combativeness against one another, right, right, 418 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,839 Like there's enough pie out there for all of us 419 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,920 to make a good living. 420 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they're they're compete business wise as 421 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:25,240 you try to want a win thing, right, but there 422 00:21:25,319 --> 00:21:31,319 is a shared vision and uh kind of a shared 423 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,839 values of of you know, gun rights generally freedom loving people. 424 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,160 I love that we're when we're at events, we say 425 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,359 that everyone stands up and says the Pledge of allegiance, 426 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,519 they say a prayer, they'll sing the national anthem, all 427 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:47,079 that type of stuff, and so you do end up 428 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,039 kind of with shared values. And probably if that's not 429 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,240 your values, I guess those are the ones perhaps who 430 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:55,319 don't still around, you know, but I think that and 431 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:59,920 you have. It's funny too, because what do we do 432 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,319 for fun? Shoot? We shoot and we hunt. It's like, 433 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:07,400 you know, there's there's not a lot of golfersough. I 434 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,359 mean I like golf and you're just talking about golf. 435 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,559 But but it's like, you know, oh, we're gonna do 436 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:14,759 a business deal. We need to invite some clients on 437 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:18,400 a thing. They go take guns and they go hunting. Yeah, yeah, 438 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,559 let's go, we're gonna go shooting. 439 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: Well it's cool, man, It's and what a what an 440 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,319 opportunity for us to be able to work in something 441 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:27,640 that you're passionate about, right Like, I I couldn't imagine 442 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,119 if I'd sold vinyl sighting or did marketing for roofing 443 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,880 nails or something, right like, how miserable would that be? 444 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:37,160 And maybe you'd find passionate it in some other way. 445 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,720 But it's like, this is just awesome that we get 446 00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:45,319 to uh market talk about sell these cool things that 447 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,279 you're you have an affinity for. 448 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And and most people when you tell them what 449 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:53,119 you do. They're like, what you get to do that 450 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:53,640 for work? 451 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, dude, It's actually hilarious. I was went over 452 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,759 to my neighbor's house yesterday and not yesterday, it was 453 00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:03,880 Thursday or something. They're kind of having a little picnic 454 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,119 outside and I'm just shooting the shit with one of 455 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,920 the guys and said, Hey, I'm headed to Louisiana tomorrow 456 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,319 to do this thing. And he's like, man, I got 457 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:14,599 a buddy that does that. He works for a company 458 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:17,079 and he shoots, he shoots this, that and the other. 459 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,359 And he's like, I can't believe he gets to do 460 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,599 that for a job. And I'm like, well, who are 461 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,480 you talking about. He's like, he's really tall and his 462 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:23,039 name's Adam. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know Am. I 463 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:24,880 seeing him all the time, you know. And it's like, 464 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:27,960 it's funny that our industry is now incestuous and there's 465 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,920 the guy that doesn't I mean, he knows me but 466 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,720 doesn't really know Me's bragging about his buddy that gets 467 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,960 to do the things that we get to do. It's neat, yeah, neat. 468 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I wanted to go back because we were 469 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:42,119 One of the things I love about running these classes 470 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,000 and doing experiences is you get all sorts of different 471 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,119 shooters and you really get to run these guns and 472 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,119 the optics and the ambul and all that stuff. And 473 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:56,400 I mean we're burning through thousands of rounds of AMMO 474 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,960 and it's a great test of the quip and it's 475 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,400 also a great test of like shooters shooting and what 476 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,440 are they doing wrong or right? And all this stuff 477 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:09,400 you were talking about. And maybe it's a little education 478 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,880 for people like the double Stack nineteen elevens because we 479 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,880 do compare him to a race car. There actually is 480 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,799 maybe some tuning a little bit that can happen. I mean, 481 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:21,519 you can take your gun out of the box and 482 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,400 go shoot it, but you can also tune it up 483 00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:27,200 depending on the AMMO, depending on what you're trying to 484 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:27,359 do with. 485 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,279 Speaker 1: Ye I want to go back and just remind us 486 00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:32,640 to come back to that because I want to speak 487 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,759 to one thing you said about the diverse group of 488 00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:38,519 people that's here. Yeah. I think in this class we 489 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,880 have a heart surgeon and a retired truck driver and 490 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,440 everybody in between all walks of life. For me, as 491 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,359 a marketer and business guy, it is so invaluable to 492 00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:54,359 hear the feedback directly out of that customer's mouth about 493 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,119 his experience with my product. I could never do that 494 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,640 with a round table or pay some marketing firm to 495 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,759 do a net promoter scores study. For me, it's like 496 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,559 I'm getting a ton of value out of just listening 497 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,200 to these dudes. So anyways, that's just so cool, and 498 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,200 I wish we could do more stuff like that to 499 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,880 have direct engagement with the consumer about how they feel 500 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,039 about our product. And then going back to the tuning, Yeah, 501 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,240 I mean the twenty eleven Space to the Double Stack 502 00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:28,440 nineteen eleven. They're great guns and able to be run 503 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:31,319 right out of the box, but it's just like anything else. 504 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,400 If you decide, hey, I'm only going to run it 505 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,759 with this particular AMMO, and I want to have my 506 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,759 trigger to one and a half pounds or whatever, there's 507 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,400 some tuning that you can do to adjust that gun 508 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:44,480 to you. Right, going back to the golf analogy, right, 509 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,480 it's like you can buy a set of calaways off 510 00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,519 the shelf and they'll work great for you, or what 511 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,559 you can go get fit for a set of pings 512 00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:53,240 that will really be dialed into the way you shoot 513 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,279 and the ball you play and your clubhead speed. Same thing. 514 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,640 It's like, these guns are customizable enough that you can 515 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,519 make it work for you and be your own to 516 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:06,079 fit your shooting style and the conditions you like to 517 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:07,000 shoot in well. 518 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,799 Speaker 2: And that's the good news, Like you can do that. Yeah, 519 00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:11,640 I mean, a lot of guns you can take them 520 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,440 out of the box to shoot them. You can't do 521 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,359 a lot of tuning with them. 522 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you can accessorize them and paint them or 523 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,079 whatever else, but uh yeah, there's no you're not going 524 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,279 to take out your seer and stone it to make 525 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,519 the trigger while feel crisper or whatever, you know what 526 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:26,200 I mean. And you could do that with these guns. 527 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:28,279 I mean, and I think that's part of the fun 528 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,400 of this platform, right, is that you can do that 529 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,720 and you're you're immersed in the education of how to 530 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:37,599 do it right. That's why I think that when guys 531 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,799 catch the long range shooting bug, they do the same thing, right, 532 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,119 because they geek out on the math and the science 533 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,000 of the long range shooting and this is similar. It's 534 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,079 just you're geeking out on the engineering side of it. 535 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you get to be the gunsmith and it's 536 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:52,680 a it's a platform the nineteen eleven is a platform 537 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,680 that's friendly to that. I mean it is you can 538 00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:56,799 you can school yourself up a little bit and be 539 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,759 able to work on it. What are what are some 540 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,319 frequently asked questions you guys get all the time, maybe 541 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:07,640 specific to the platform or particular to the company. I 542 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,079 would think one of those would be maintenance, wear and tear. 543 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,039 They were kind of talking about this morning of like, 544 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,880 you know, what am I supposed to do round count wise? 545 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:18,680 You know, break in period. 546 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: The biggest question that we get is right now, and 547 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,880 I think it's because red dots are so hot. It's 548 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,599 what red dot works with this gun, right. That one's 549 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,920 a big one. We get a lot other questions, like 550 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,119 you said about general maintenance, right, we include we've got 551 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,079 some instructions in the manual, and then also some videos 552 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,079 on our website that teach people just how to field 553 00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:45,680 strip the gun. Sorry, that's right, yeah, and how to 554 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:53,480 field strip Jesus We're good, yeah, sorry, all right, how 555 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,400 to field strip the gun. And then going back to 556 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,799 some of those questions about springs and life and things 557 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:01,000 like that. There's not anything other than just those kind 558 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,480 of general questions that people have that stand out to me. 559 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:11,759 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what about I mean anything that's specific that 560 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,720 they should or shouldn't do lubrication wise, just kind of 561 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,119 looking for pro tips people listening, or like I've got 562 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,599 a nineteen eleven or or I've never owned one of 563 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,200 those Doublestack nineteen eleven's. I mean, is it is it 564 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:23,000 high maintenance? 565 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean they're not high maintenance. And the thing I 566 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:31,559 would say any any gun owner, shoot your gun train 567 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,119 best thing. 568 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,559 Speaker 2: It's like guns and boats, right, you know, leave your 569 00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:38,119 boat sitting in the garage for six years, guess what 570 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,039 it's not going to start? Absolutely? 571 00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:43,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, regular use will help keep your gun in 572 00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:46,519 good working order, taking care of it, cleaning it. You 573 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,759 don't have to be this super anal person about oh, 574 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:51,519 every time I shoot one hundred rounds, I've got to 575 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:52,759 take this gun apart and clean it. 576 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: Right. 577 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,319 Speaker 1: It's like, doesn't require. 578 00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,039 Speaker 2: Guys, I'm gonna just throw that out to my buddy Kevin. 579 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,359 You don't have to. Yeah, I'm talking to you, buddy. 580 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,160 You don't have to take it apart every time. 581 00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:04,559 Speaker 1: You don't. It's fun if you like to do that, 582 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,039 have fun. If that's your therapy to take your gun 583 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,599 apart and run some oil on it. Yeah, have at it. Right, 584 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:15,319 It's not required though other pro tips train I mentioned 585 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:15,880 you should train. 586 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,039 Speaker 2: You should probably train, get some trigger time. Yeah, And 587 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,440 I think people think that I talk about training often 588 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,400 because we run classes, and I'm like, no, no, go anywhere, 589 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,359 go with anybody, go train. But we want people who 590 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,799 are not just gun owners, but are proficient with their gun. Right. 591 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:40,759 Speaker 1: It's a perishable skill. Right. If you didn't drive every day, right, 592 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,599 and then you go and jump and try to run 593 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,920 an indie race or something, you're not going to be great. Right. 594 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,640 It's the same thing with golf or baseball or any 595 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680 any of these sports that require both gross motor skills 596 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,440 and find motor skills. You got to use it or 597 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,119 lose it. So yeah, dry fire as much as you can, 598 00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:01,680 understand how your trigger finger wor get the gun in 599 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,880 your hand as much as you can and shoot as 600 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,039 much as you can. You get out and shoot it, 601 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:07,640 and then you'll figure out what you need to do 602 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,640 to take care of that gun. 603 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. You guys are on a back order. You guys are. 604 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,480 Perhaps this is not a huge company, so perhaps for 605 00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,400 somebody listening to this, they may go how do I 606 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,200 see one? How do I touch one? Do you guys 607 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,559 go to shows like NRA show. 608 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be at the NRA convention and whatever that is. 609 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:26,880 That's sneaking up honestly. 610 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, the end of Atlanta, end of April. Everybody in Atlanta, 611 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,000 the intera Annual convention. Yep, it's gonna be fun. 612 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,119 Speaker 1: It's gonna be my twenty third in our something like that. 613 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:43,000 So yeah, NRA great event. The expo is cool. It's 614 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,799 another great opportunity to engage with consumers, right because it's 615 00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:49,279 like wherever they move that show around every year, and 616 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:53,359 so it's like you get this little section of the 617 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,839 shooter that shows up right right. I think it was 618 00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:59,079 in India a couple of years ago. Just really cool 619 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:00,400 to get exposed to those things. 620 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: It's a little bit different too, like depending on where 621 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,720 you are in the country of what people are doing 622 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,319 with their guns, hunting, what type of shooting. 623 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we went out west, not way out west, 624 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,759 but midwest a couple of years ago. I don't remember 625 00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:15,799 where it was, and the guys you know, come up 626 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:19,200 talking about mule deer hunting and then and then in Atlanta. 627 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,519 I'm sure it's going to be a lot of defensive 628 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:25,079 pistol shooting guys, guys that are into concealed carry. Sure, 629 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,440 there'll be some hunters, but it's just it's interesting. It's 630 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,160 a good cross section of our of our industry and 631 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,799 supports a good, good effort that the NRA's after. 632 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's there's some good new things happening with 633 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,240 the n RA. So if you haven't noticed yet, I 634 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,000 know that we've been talking about on the radio show. 635 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,759 But there's a there's new people coming into the board. 636 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: So it's been through a tumultuous time here the last 637 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,960 few years. And you know, it's like any other organization. 638 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,799 After some time, you've got to wash out the folks 639 00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:58,240 that aren't in pursuit of the goals of the organization 640 00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:01,759 and find people who who do support what we're trying 641 00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:04,799 to do. It'll be it'll be a good show. I'm 642 00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,880 excited for it. So going back to your question, and 643 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,680 where do they see you, Jacob Gray, So, yeah, we'll 644 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,839 be at the NRA show. If you're within a couple 645 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,200 hours of Atlanta, come see us. We do have a 646 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,920 dealer network across the country, a couple hundred dealers, not 647 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,720 a bunch. Give us a call, let us know where 648 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,440 you are. We'll say, hey, yeah, I've got a guy wherever. Sure, 649 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:26,839 We've got a dealer locator that I'm working on for 650 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,240 the website as well that to point people to where 651 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,160 you can see them. Man, do your homework. Get out 652 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,559 on YouTube. See what people are saying about us. 653 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, because people are talking about you guys. Yeah, just 654 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,480 search Jacob Gray Firearms. You'll find stuff. 655 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, you will. That's the fun part of the job 656 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,319 is working with media and being able to expose them 657 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,400 to a brand. And I've known a lot of these 658 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,359 media creators for a long time and you know, they 659 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,799 trust and respect my opinion and I haven't steered them 660 00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,240 wrong yet with a product. So this one's good and 661 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,440 they like it. How else can you see a Jacob Gray. 662 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,279 We do sell a little bit through distribution to Sports 663 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,799 South and RSRS. So if you're familiar with. 664 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 2: A gun so like a gun store. If they were 665 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,480 listening to this and said, man, we maybe we should 666 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,920 get one of those in and they could, they could 667 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,119 call those places. 668 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,599 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we've done something pretty unique here with Sports 669 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,599 South in the last month or so. We did it 670 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,079 what we call in the industry and SMU a special makeup. 671 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,200 So we've got a special gun through Sports South that's 672 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,319 an exclusive. It's called the TWC Elite, a little bit 673 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:31,920 different flavor than what we've got here at the class, 674 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:34,160 and that one's doing pretty well. 675 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,039 Speaker 2: So what's on it? What's the deal? How's it? 676 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,279 Speaker 1: You've got to call sports out, No, it's it's very 677 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,720 similar to the Black. It's got a little bit different 678 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,079 painting job, a little bit different stimpling, couple different components, 679 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,160 but cool, cool entry level twenty eleven. 680 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,079 Speaker 2: Awesome. Okay, that's great to know. Well you guys, I 681 00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,240 hope we've wet your whistle a little bit with the 682 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,920 double stat nineteen eleven talk Jacob Gray, Firearms, Jay Duncan. 683 00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:02,279 That's it for us. We will see you next time 684 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:03,079 on Guntagnation