1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:00,680 Speaker 1: Dude. 2 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 2: Two members of our military rescues and I want to 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,440 talk about the mechanics of that, but I can't. 4 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,679 Speaker 3: I've never served. Fortunately, our friend Michael Rourke. 5 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: Knows what he's talking about, and he's a retired Special 6 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,119 Forces operative. He's done things like this, and there are 7 00:00:14,199 --> 00:00:16,239 things he can tell us and there's things he can't. 8 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,920 So we'll respect that. We'll talk with Michael Rourke with 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,679 the help of God Almighty and the special help. Today 10 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:26,120 a bone Frog coffee Bonefrog Coffee dot com slash Todd 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,760 started by a Navy seal, a medic deployed three times 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,079 on our behalf into this region and every single bag 13 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:35,880 says in a God country team and on a weekend 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,240 where people are shot down on the Good Friday, gone 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,159 for a day, and rescued on resurrection Sunday, a good 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,000 time to reflect on our guys coming home as safe 17 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:46,640 as possible. 18 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:51,679 Speaker 3: Bonefrog Coffee dot com slash Todd, Thank you God Almighty, But. 19 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:57,039 Speaker 4: Todd Herman show is one disapproved by big pharma technocrats 20 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:04,400 and tyrns everywhere from the high mountains of Free America. 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:11,319 Here's the Emerald City exime Todd to her Man. 22 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: Today is the day the Lord has made in These 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,120 are the times to which God is decided we shall live. 24 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:28,159 Joining me is my friends, Michael Rourke, Advanced operational Concepts, 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,200 retired Special Forces operative and observer of all things military 26 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:35,000 and by the way, a guy who helps us get 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,719 prepared in our lives for situational contingencies in a dangerous world. 28 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: Good to see you again, my friend. How you doing. 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,159 Speaker 1: Good morning, Todd. What a great day to be back 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,120 with you. 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:44,599 Speaker 3: Very much. 32 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,879 Speaker 2: So, I want to start by laying some groundwork for 33 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:52,719 something that I think has been lost in military, not 34 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,439 to military culture, but discapilent culture. We Christians say, no 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,400 greater love as man than are laid on his life 36 00:01:58,439 --> 00:02:01,280 for a brother. And in the military, you guys operate 37 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:05,120 with the code that no man will be left behind. A. 38 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,079 I don't know that young people know that, and B. 39 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:09,840 I don't think we civilians really get it to this 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,159 day what that means to you guys. 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an ethos we live by. I mean, it's 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,680 so ingrained into our military culture that we are still 43 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,080 to this day searching for the misin in action from 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:28,199 World War two and yes, and working to bring them home. Yeah, 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,039 no man left behind. Is something that we live by. 46 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,199 That's why for a combat search and rescue mission, you 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,960 can't ask for volunteers because everyone will be trying to 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,919 get on that infiltration burd And. 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,759 Speaker 2: What does it mean to you guys when you're serving 50 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:48,479 and and you're in, you know, you're in the deep blank, 51 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:52,800 and you obviously you're mentally tuned. 52 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: We're getting out of this. We're going to win. We're 53 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:55,400 going to beat these guys. 54 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: But does it mean something in your back of your 55 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,240 mind to know even if I go down, I'm they'll 56 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,439 take me, They'll get my body. 57 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:02,599 Speaker 3: Nothing's getting left behind. 58 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can go in knowing that America is gonna 59 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,759 come for you. We're gonna come in. We're gonna get 60 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:12,240 you out, whether you're dead or alive, We're coming for you. 61 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 62 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: And I was watching some of the coverage on this 63 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:18,840 and some of the I wanted to start with one 64 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:19,919 of the keyboard. 65 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: Warriors, who knows a lot about war. 66 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: Who put up a tweet that got all sorts of retweets, 67 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,599 and it's a picture of three aircraft. He wrote, lose 68 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:30,159 all this to rescue one pilot and call it your 69 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:33,280 greatest middle military military success of all time. 70 00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: Tons of likes, et cetera. 71 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,639 Speaker 2: And you put instant contexts to these three aircraft being 72 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:38,520 lost in this mission. 73 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we'd lose more aircraft and training every year. 74 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:48,759 And I think a retired Sentcom commander probably said it best. 75 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,120 It takes a year to build an airplane. It took 76 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:57,400 two hundred years to instill the no man left behind 77 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,319 ethos in our military, you know, I said, and those 78 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:01,400 are words that we live by. 79 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been there's a lot of training that goes 80 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:08,039 into helping you guys survive. And again this goes into 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,439 the things you can say and things you can't say category. 82 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:14,680 But there's a school, and I think obviously we're not 83 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:16,600 the only one, but there's one near where I live 84 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,079 in North Idaho, a seers school. 85 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,199 Speaker 3: So survive, evade, resist, escape and. 86 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: When you guys go or a lot of guys go 87 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,839 through this, but I understand all the all the Air 88 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:30,360 Force pilots go through that because they're likely to be 89 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:32,399 shot down. And what goes on in that school to 90 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,600 degree you can talk about it. 91 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:37,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, the the one at Firschall Air Force Base there 92 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,920 in in northeastern Washington. It's the US Air Force Seer 93 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,959 School and aircrew who are at a high risk of capture. 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,000 They go through what's called Level C, the high risk 95 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,759 level of seer for Army Special Operations Forces. We have 96 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,879 one at Fort Bragg. I actually went through the one 97 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,240 in Fairchild. I went through the Air Force course where 98 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:06,920 besides one former recom marine who was going through the 99 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,680 PAERA rescue pipeline, everyone else in the in the class, 100 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,480 you know, all the other students were aircrew, whether pilots, navigators, 101 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,319 systems operators, you know, officers and listed all going through this, 102 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,639 and you know they're going through the survival portion, you know, 103 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,759 and learning what's like to have to operate on the 104 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:29,879 ground when all of a sudden you find yourself without 105 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:30,519 your airplane. 106 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: And then the resist portion of this is to resist 107 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,040 being successfully interrogated or turns. And then your priority at 108 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,360 that point was resisting that, as I understand it, and 109 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:45,160 then your priority is to escape to get out. So 110 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:49,079 you're taught all of these methodologies, and I've I've had 111 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,199 some conversations with people who were senior to that school, 112 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,079 and there's elements of it that don't sound super fun. 113 00:05:56,759 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: There are elements that are not super fun. And when 114 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:06,000 you have a a class full of primarily aircrew, and 115 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,480 you have one former Marine and one Green Beret in 116 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:11,000 the class. That's who they picked on to make most 117 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,879 of the examples out of can't You can't really go 118 00:06:14,959 --> 00:06:18,279 into the uh you know, they're resistant and escape portion 119 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:21,560 too much. But you start off by hinding survival skills. 120 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,759 These are skills that we already had in a Special 121 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,160 Forces course, you know, just our qualification course. But these 122 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:31,279 were new skills to the Air Force crew members. And 123 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:33,439 we were there in winter. I think there's about six 124 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,360 feet of snow on the ground, you know, so we're 125 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:38,800 we're trying to move move through that with snowshoes on 126 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,959 and h learning these skills. Then there's an invasion portion 127 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:46,000 portion where you have to okay, now you have to 128 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,279 get out of here, you have to make it to 129 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:51,480 certain points, but that that portion is designed for you 130 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,319 to fail, and then you have an encounter with the enemy, 131 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,319 and then the course gets a little darker from there. 132 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:00,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 133 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: And I won't say, because I don't know the license, 134 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:05,439 I have to say what I've learned from people who 135 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,279 help run it, So I won't say. I could just 136 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:11,639 say good luck getting through that without tons and tons 137 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:14,639 of soul and hearts and bravery and smarts, and that's 138 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:21,360 why it's called training. Jonathan k Parts noted military expert. Oh, 139 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Jonathan k Part was on PBS. And then we'll get 140 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,120 into the mechanics of this rescue mission. And here's what 141 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,079 he said about the war. Then I think he's speaking 142 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:36,560 in context of having a witnessed this rescue. He's a 143 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,920 city next to fake conservative David Brooks. 144 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 5: I mean, this is a war of choice. We didn't 145 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,079 need to do take this action. Now, what's funny but 146 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,120 not funny playing on cable right now on a loop 147 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:54,800 is Top Gun Maverick. And if anyone has seen that movie, 148 00:07:55,199 --> 00:08:00,199 the whole plot is about a US military operation keep 149 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:05,240 inside Iran and two on fighter pilots have to inject 150 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:08,319 out of their out of their planes. I bring that 151 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:11,120 up because there was more of a plan in the 152 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,199 fictional plot of Top Gun Maverick. Then there appears to 153 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:20,360 be in this very real, very live situation but in 154 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,360 the in the United States. 155 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: So putting aside his estimation of war of of of 156 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,240 the choice, we can talk about that. I'm listening to 157 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:32,120 this and I'm you, how can you have this opinion? 158 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,440 But I'm just a host. 159 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,039 Speaker 3: What do you hear when you see or see this 160 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:37,960 guy say something like. 161 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:43,279 Speaker 1: That, I see someone who knows absolutely nothing about the military, 162 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,080 and if he believes top Gun Maverick in movie I 163 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,480 found recently, has has any sort of realistic resemblance to 164 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:54,879 what happens, and when Paulot goes down behind enemy lines, 165 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:00,240 this happens to be an old F fourteen hanging around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 166 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:03,279 I mean consider the source absolutely. 167 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: You know what. 168 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:06,159 Speaker 2: My wife and I watched that movie and we're surprised 169 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,080 actually to enjoy it. I've seen it twice. I mean, 170 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,840 it's to me, it's fun watching, but it wasn't there 171 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:16,080 thinking I was encountering geopolitical realities or tactical realities. So 172 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:19,399 and Mike will continue this in just a second. Let 173 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,039 me pause and remind people that we're back working for 174 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,360 Alan Soaps. If you don't know the story, I'm really 175 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,159 surprised that there's people who've been with us this long 176 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,399 and didn't know. We started working with this soap company 177 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:33,320 years ago because my friend John started it to create 178 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,799 world class soap made in America with no chemical ingredients 179 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,960 at all, and it was a departure for him. 180 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: John was a legendary digital marketer. 181 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: I said was because John passed away about five weeks ago, 182 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,519 and he created the soap company, not just for the 183 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,960 love of being in a great business. And frankly, the 184 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,799 soap company was never going to make him the money 185 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,600 he made in digital marketing. It was created for his 186 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,200 son because their son Alan, Tina and John, was born 187 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:10,519 with obvious challenges they'd say birth defects. And truly, Allan 188 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,080 is thirteen, he's been through about eighteen operations. He doesn't 189 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,000 walk like other people, and he doesn't talk. 190 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:16,519 Speaker 3: Like other people. 191 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: It's very difficult to understand him. He's really high up 192 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,039 on the autism spectrum. But he's a brilliant kid. So 193 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,600 he invents fragrances of soap that have been made by 194 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:29,279 this family with three generations of soap makinning expertise, and 195 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,519 Alan has a job. His brother Eam doesn't have the 196 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,559 same physical challenges, but he's also impacted by autism. He 197 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,639 also works there. That's why John founded this company. John 198 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,039 passed and went. 199 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,279 Speaker 3: To the Lord about five weeks ago. 200 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: We've taken a break until now because I didn't want 201 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,120 his wife Tina have to deal with any of this 202 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,159 Tina wants the soap company to continue because it meant 203 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,639 so much to her husband. Frankly, also because this is 204 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:55,639 where her sons work. The rest of the world would 205 00:10:55,639 --> 00:10:58,120 not have these guys work there, and yet they do 206 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,639 work in quality control and package and Allen inventing soaps. 207 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:05,159 So we put together a package the four original soaps 208 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,559 Allen Soaps started with for less than twenty nine bucks. 209 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,679 So you can go get this and a sistle pouch 210 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:13,600 it comes with it. Just go to Alan Soaps dot 211 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:17,320 com slash todds get the four original bars of soap 212 00:11:17,399 --> 00:11:19,159 that were made up in this is cecil pouch and 213 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,039 then subscribe. And if you've tried the soap and you 214 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,360 love it, subscribe. Let's keep this company going and keep 215 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,639 the world class soap coming, but also keep these boys 216 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:30,320 working against Alan Soaps dot Com slash todd take us 217 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,399 through the setup for this that there are teams of 218 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,600 people you were talking to me pre show who are 219 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,720 assigned this role right now. They know they get the 220 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:42,840 call when someone goes down. So let's just start with 221 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:45,159 the op and what you saw and how this works. 222 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess somewhere in the night of April 223 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,600 third one of our F fifteen East Drikee Eagles was 224 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,840 shot down in southwestern Iran pretty much right away, you know, 225 00:11:57,879 --> 00:12:01,919 and both both the air crew ejected. But the thing 226 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,559 about ejection, you're not inatially gonna come down together in 227 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,679 the same spot. You know, you get out when you 228 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,519 have to get out. You know, one minute everything's fine, 229 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,240 and next thing you know, your your instruments are giving 230 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:15,240 you nothing but bad news, and you have to you 231 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:18,399 have to punch out, you know, immediately, regardless of how 232 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,039 fast you're going. I mean, when we jump out of airplanes, 233 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,320 we jump out to see when thirty it's going to 234 00:12:23,399 --> 00:12:25,960 a nice date, one hundred and thirty knots, you know, 235 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:29,679 and even then you know, over the years, you know, 236 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:34,879 from jumping, I've had knee surgeries, I've had concussions, you know, 237 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:38,000 other injuries. And that's when we meant to jump out 238 00:12:38,039 --> 00:12:41,480 of the plane. Yeah right, And these guys are going 239 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,120 to you know how many times faster, No one knows. 240 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,559 They Once that injection seat motorits you in the butt, 241 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,279 you may never be the same height you were when 242 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:52,759 you first got into that plane. 243 00:12:53,159 --> 00:12:55,279 Speaker 3: You know, those things explode, is that right? 244 00:12:55,639 --> 00:12:58,799 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, And you know so they're hitting the ground. 245 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:02,559 The you have a an alert package CESAR Combat Search 246 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,480 and Rescue that's you know, standing by for just such 247 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,360 an eventuality. The pilot was recovered within a few hours, 248 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,320 you know, they're they're they're about approximately three hundred miles 249 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,639 behind enemy lines and him was recovered within a few hours. However, 250 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:19,960 they weren't able to get the Wizzo, the weapon system 251 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,200 officer out on that same on that same pass. So 252 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,679 then your whole CSAR task force brings into action. This 253 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,840 is where the deliberate planning takes place where they're they're gonna, okay, 254 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:37,200 we get getting an idea where he is, need for 255 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:40,159 him to make contact with us, so we know he's alive. 256 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,639 We have to confirm that it's really him. So they're 257 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,000 not setting up what's called a star trap that we're 258 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:50,799 being baited in to lose more people in assets and 259 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,960 as far as you know, and there's a method to 260 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,440 you know, confirm who it is you're actually talking to 261 00:13:56,519 --> 00:13:58,279 you have the right guy. I can't go into that 262 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:03,159 for obvious operational security reasons. So then you've got all 263 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,960 kinds of forces, You've got special operations forces. They are 264 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,679 going to be the muscle on the ground securing a 265 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,039 when they determined that they had to get a what's 266 00:14:12,039 --> 00:14:15,559 called a FARP, a forward arming and refueling points set 267 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:20,000 up with fixed wing aircraft in order to give extra 268 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,159 range to the helicopters that are going in that area 269 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,039 has to be secured. Do you have people they're going 270 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,279 to be getting on these small helicopters that were loaded 271 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,360 into the back of one or both of those C 272 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:36,159 one thirties, then pulled off quickly put into operation and 273 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,559 went out to go get this guy. You probably had. 274 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:43,159 These are MH six little birds. Folks might have seen 275 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,360 them in the movie Block Hawk Down, the small helicopters 276 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,600 with the people riding on the outside. There are probably 277 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:54,120 gun ship versions the AH six, which has rocket pods 278 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,039 and mini guns in order to provide close in fire support. 279 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,639 So these are guys that are going out to get 280 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:07,360 the survivor, and you've got Air Force payer rescue, some 281 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,039 of the best guys in the world. They go through 282 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,200 an amazing training pipeline, all fully paramedic qualified, all kinds 283 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,559 of other skills. They go through every really cool school 284 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,080 the military has to offer, including schools from the other 285 00:15:19,159 --> 00:15:24,919 services of combat, Air force combat controllers who are basically 286 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:27,519 in charge of all the air assets that are stacked 287 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,759 up just ready to ring fury on anyone that comes 288 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:34,600 near our rescue force or our evader. So it is 289 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:38,879 a very complex operation, layers of command, lots of assets. 290 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:43,000 And he evaded, I want to say, for somewhere between 291 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:47,279 twenty four plus hours before we were able to get him. 292 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:50,120 He had to get away from the crash site right 293 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:53,559 away if he was anywhere near that wreckage that you know, 294 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:57,279 fireball smoking the air that that attracts a lot of tension. 295 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:00,200 So as soon as he was able saw this is 296 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,679 up the situation, said okay, how hurd am I I 297 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:05,639 need to get away from here? Where can I go? 298 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,240 And he started heading to high ground in order to 299 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,320 get away from vehicles that might be looking for him, 300 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:13,919 to make it easier for him to communicate and harder 301 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:15,399 for the enemy to get at him. 302 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:19,399 Speaker 2: And I assume and sometimes getting away means not getting away, 303 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:22,960 but finding a way to hide. I like, if you're 304 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,120 if you're super injured and you can't move with any speed, 305 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,879 part of that evade is making yourself invisible to the enemy. 306 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: And man, that's got to be harrowing and because they're going. 307 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: To play all their assets to go try to get 308 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,000 one of our guys, right, because, not to be gross 309 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,720 about it, but they would see this as a trophy. 310 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:48,279 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely they would. And my understands he might have 311 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:51,840 moved up to five miles away from the where he 312 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,799 was where he came down at and an upper ridge 313 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,759 line that think was a total of seven thousand feet 314 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:01,159 in elevation. I'm not sure what else elevation he started at, 315 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,639 but I think ended up somewhere around seven thousand feet 316 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:04,440 above sea level. 317 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 3: Wow, and that would be purposeful. 318 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: You you didn't mean high grounds rhetorically, you meant it 319 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,400 tactically and from a perspective. 320 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: Literal high ground. Yeah. For this case, it helps it 321 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,960 and helps him signal to rescue forces, makes it harder 322 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,759 for an eemy forces to find him, especially if they're 323 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:24,440 mainly searching roads. 324 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: You've been on some of these ops, right. 325 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: Not not an actual cestar mission. We trained in My 326 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:39,519 SF team trained in Florida with the Air Force Special Operations. 327 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,519 We worked with their AC one thirty gun ships. We 328 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:46,960 worked with their fifty three helicopters, and one of the 329 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,000 scenarios we went through was a recovery of a down pilot, 330 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:55,079 so that they put they put a crew member out there, 331 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,960 you know, for us to find, make contact with, go 332 00:17:58,079 --> 00:18:01,519 through all the procedures that were you know, probably used 333 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:01,880 in Iran. 334 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: Just the other day you mentioned Scott Scott, a Grady 335 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,680 Wright who had to evade. 336 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:10,279 Speaker 3: You said, for what ten days he had to evade? 337 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: I think it was about six days. Here we show 338 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:16,720 us down in Bosnia, I want to say nineteen ninety five. 339 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that six days, that's going to be the 340 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:23,160 longest six days of anybody's life because of all the 341 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,720 assets being deployed to come and get you. When we 342 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:29,640 get these guys out, what kind of debriefing do. 343 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,599 Speaker 3: They go under? I mean they're obviously we're going to 344 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,079 care for the physical needs right away. 345 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: But do we learn things in these circumstances after someone's 346 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:39,279 been down and the things that important aspects we take 347 00:18:39,279 --> 00:18:40,000 away with the enemy. 348 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,759 Speaker 1: Does absolutely. The deep briefings are extensive. I mean step 349 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:47,880 by step, you know what happened, you know, once you 350 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,400 hit the ground, what did you do? What were you thinking? 351 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,119 Because they're trying to take lessons learned and they're going 352 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,200 to take those back to the schoolhouse and train you know, 353 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:00,480 future pilots and other aircrew on. Hey, this is how 354 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,200 these skills apply a real world. And like I said, 355 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,279 the seier training kicks in the moment you're on the ground. 356 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,359 You know, he knew what to do. Even though you know, 357 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,319 I'm not sure the extent of his injuries, but apparently 358 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:14,799 he was hurt, he still managed to you know, size 359 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,519 up the situation the first part in the acronymic survival 360 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,119 and then you know, get get away from the from 361 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,400 the area that's going to be the focus of the 362 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,200 immediate search. 363 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: I was reading an account of a guy who went 364 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,880 to He qualified as an army ranger. He never did 365 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,079 get into combat, and he doesn't make that distinction, but 366 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,160 he was a ranger, and he was talking about some 367 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,799 of the courses he took, survival courses and medical care courses, 368 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:48,200 and he made reference to having to put an IV 369 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,519 in his own arm in a in a moving vehicle 370 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,640 because there were only two people in this scenario and 371 00:19:54,759 --> 00:19:57,480 his job was to tap a vein and as successfully 372 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,599 in certain IV as they were going like sixty five 373 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,759 miles in hour, doing this on his own well, being 374 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,319 chased by people and another team it's is it. It's 375 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:09,119 that's such a I mean, I know it's a true 376 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,480 account because he's not a guy that lies. But this 377 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:13,480 is the sort of training that you guys have, right. 378 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, the like your Air Force pilots, they won't have 379 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,039 that level of medical training. But yeah, if you're special operations, 380 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:23,920 you'll you'll get a significant level Fortchuellly. I never had 381 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,920 to try to put an IV in myself because it's 382 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,279 no fun being the pincushion and when someone else is 383 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:33,240 doing it. Yeah, but I've had in training our medics, uh, 384 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,279 trying to do it in my arm in a moving 385 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:39,119 helicopter that was flying, you know, low level at night, 386 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,079 and I think it took him five or six sticks 387 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,319 before he finally got a vain Yeah. And and and 388 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,519 this is the actual medic, not not not some knucklehead 389 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:49,359 like me who's trying to do it on someone else too. 390 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,240 We also have to. 391 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 2: Do yeah, are you at this point when we get 392 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,119 guys in the ground. Now, this has changed the dynamic 393 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,559 of the war. I know they were there for the 394 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:06,480 rescue mission. So that's contained President Trump issued, Uh, I 395 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:09,799 mean it's a threat, and he issued it on resurrection 396 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,559 Sunday and involved the F word, and I'm not a 397 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:14,119 fan of the F word from our presidents on the 398 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,839 resurrection Sunday, and I've talked about that, but he's telling 399 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,599 Iran open the effing straight or else. Uh, And he says, 400 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:27,440 it's bridge day, it's infrastructure day, it's energy day. And 401 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,759 does it change the dynamic that we've had boots on 402 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,799 the ground now in this scenario rescuings that make it 403 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:36,400 easier for them to put boots on the ground subsequent 404 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,680 to this or what do you think? 405 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:42,079 Speaker 1: Well, I mean there was a plan to put tendically 406 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,759 boots on the ground to rescue aircrew from day one 407 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:45,640 before this evening. 408 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 3: Off got that. I mean, once we've crossed it, yeah. 409 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:51,559 Speaker 1: That's always going to happen. So I mean what it means, 410 00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:53,039 you know, if you're talking about like more of a 411 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,839 you know, longer term presidence. I don't think a CSAR 412 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,519 mission impacts that calculus one way or the other. 413 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: Okay, do you guys worry about hearts and minds when 414 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,440 when we start blowing up bridges and. 415 00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:08,759 Speaker 3: Power sources because there's a good. 416 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,799 Speaker 2: Percentage of the ranting people. I was just talking with 417 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:12,400 a friend of my wife, and I have a friend 418 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,720 who's Persian. She was born in Iran. Her dad was 419 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,759 a diplomat to the Shah, and she remembered being driven 420 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,160 around by drivers, et cetera. She just she wants to 421 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,400 go home. She wants her sons to see Iran. She 422 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,039 loves the Persian people. She is in favor of the war, 423 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:32,640 and other people very close to me are they're very 424 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,440 worried about it, to dead set against it. But do you, guys, 425 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,680 worry about hearts and minds when you start taking away 426 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,359 people's power in their homes and capacity to store food 427 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,079 and water, et cetera. 428 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: Well, what you have to consider is whether these assets 429 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,720 are also being used by the military, and like you know, 430 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,720 and if they are, that puts them more on a 431 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:05,160 legitimate target life, even though they'll also impact civilians. It's uh, 432 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,119 you know, it's kind of a difficult one to call because, 433 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:10,640 like I said, there are a lot of people who 434 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,079 would like to see this regime go. Regime change is 435 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:19,359 not a stated goal of our operation, but we're trying 436 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,400 to set the conditions for them to where, you know, 437 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,640 if they're able to do it themselves, they can. But meanwhile, 438 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,759 we have to take away the ability of the Iranian 439 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:29,960 military to fight, and. 440 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: We've not done that yet because I mean, we have 441 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:36,440 destroyed a lot of stuff. Our guys have been incredible. 442 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,480 I stand amazed at what we're able to do in the. 443 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: Force we can reject. 444 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:44,759 Speaker 2: But they're still shooting planes down, albeit praise God, not many. 445 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,880 I mean, you don't have the full picture into Iran 446 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,799 and what they can do, but at this point, how 447 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,319 hobbled are they? 448 00:23:53,319 --> 00:23:53,759 Speaker 3: Do you think? 449 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: Well, we have what we call air superiority, which means 450 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,920 means you can do what you can pretty much impose 451 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,200 your will from the sky, but Iran still has the 452 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,279 ability to interject if you will. Yeah, you know, consider 453 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:14,519 it imposing your will with a bit of friction from 454 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:18,400 the other side, as opposed to air supremacy, which tends 455 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,920 to erase almost all that resistance to shoot down with 456 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,440 the ability to shoot down aircraft. 457 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:23,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 458 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,279 Speaker 1: So, you know, a lot of people don't realize how 459 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:29,359 big Iran is. I mean, it's almost the size of Alaska. 460 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:32,759 It's you know, two three times I think larger than Texas. 461 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,119 They have somewhere around under all branches of the military. 462 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,440 I think, like somewhere around a million people under arms. 463 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 464 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, this is is a significant country in there's 465 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,240 a there's a lot to take out if you're really 466 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,920 gonna cripple their ability to fight back. 467 00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,759 Speaker 2: I know you saw the conversation I had with our 468 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,440 mutual friend Tim Krukshank mentioned at the top of the show. 469 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:57,519 Speaker 3: Tim was a medic with the Sealed Teams. 470 00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 2: And it's funny every time I say medic, I get 471 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:00,599 I know a messages. 472 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,279 Speaker 3: No, it's a Corman. 473 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: I'm like, Tim says medic. I'm gonna say what he says, 474 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,720 and I'll let you guys figure out the military acronyms. 475 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,559 I didn't serve you guys go figure that out. But 476 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,680 you saw that conversation kind of to complement us on it, 477 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:16,039 and he mentioned his love of the Persian people and 478 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:17,559 when he's had contact with them. 479 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: How much contact have you had with the Persian people? 480 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: Not much, honestly, I've known a few Iranians. There was 481 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:31,839 a kind of a famous notorious Iranian Green Beret several 482 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,240 years ago. Who I knew it was. 483 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:34,839 Speaker 3: It was a wild man for real? 484 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, for real, I mean an Raine national who came 485 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,480 here and became a Green Beret. 486 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow, Yeah, I think he escaped the Shaw 487 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:49,400 and uh, he'd already been in you know, in SF 488 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,400 for quite a while before, you know, when I met 489 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,039 and when I was really young. So and yeah, I 490 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,880 mean he hate hated the current regime a lot of 491 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,720 people do. I think I've mentioned you fourth. You know, 492 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,240 if you look at like college yearbooks from Iran from 493 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,480 prior to nineteen seventy nine, you know, you've got you know, 494 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,440 men in suits, women and dresses, you know, and you know, 495 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,480 kind of western clothing, enjoying a relatively affluent lifestyle, even 496 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,640 though they had a Shaw that you know, a lot 497 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,359 of people would say was pretty repressive. Yeah, and I 498 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,799 think we had and we had something to do with 499 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,559 installing him, you know, a couple of decades prior. Yeah, 500 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:27,240 but yeah, it's just a lot. I think a lot 501 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,920 of people over there are ready for change. 502 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this speaking what she's 503 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:36,960 talking about the yearbook scenario. Marcar Rubia, Secretary of State, 504 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,839 has withdrawn the visitor visa of a young woman who 505 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,119 was apparently well. Her name is Haamda Solomni Offshar. She 506 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,640 is the niece of the deceased Iranian Major General Cassom 507 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:53,920 Solamni she was living. 508 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so. 509 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 2: There's a just horrible juxtaposition side by side of a 510 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:09,920 woman in Iran who had the the police poured acid 511 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,720 on her face security forces in Iran. Half her faces 512 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,400 is melted because she was not correctly wearing the he job. 513 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,839 And this niece of this general. I mean, this is 514 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,039 a full on thirst shot, barely wearing anything, bikini shot 515 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,279 with a lemon in her mouth, living Los Angeles and 516 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,880 celebrating the war, celebrating to take down America, et cetera. 517 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,880 She could have had acid port on her face for 518 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,759 a living this way, but she lives over here, and 519 00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:43,039 this is apparently not uncommon you know, Sharia for thee 520 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:43,640 but not for me. 521 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, I've seen the same thing in parts of 522 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,279 the Middle East where some of the folks that were 523 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:56,240 it's you know, Islam is very heavy in the you know, 524 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,839 as far as impacting people's lives. Yeah, and then I'll 525 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,519 see them in other parts of the world and just 526 00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:05,759 totally ignoring those tenants, you know, drinking alcohol and just 527 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:08,519 having a good old time. And then yeah, I've seen 528 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,599 a lot of people from Saudi Arabia when and I'd 529 00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:13,200 see them over in Asia somewhere. 530 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: Oh really, and you deserve the same dynamic. 531 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. But as far as Sole the Money's niece, 532 00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:22,759 by all means, feel free to put a parachute on 533 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,880 her and kick her out over Tehran, well the sea. 534 00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: That goes for her. 535 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,319 Speaker 2: I don't think she'd enjoy that process of being being 536 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,720 air dropped into the country, you know. As this war 537 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,240 turns around, Mike and pray, pray to God it ends. 538 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:39,119 Speaker 3: I want so much. I want. 539 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,279 Speaker 2: I'm tired of the loss of life on all sides, 540 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,440 and Jesus weeps. But right now, man, my wife and 541 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,279 I were looking at gas prices. We're in North Idaho, 542 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,960 not in the separate country Washington where you live, where 543 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,720 the gas prices are insane. But yeah, four bucks four 544 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,000 to twenty five gallon, and that pales in comparison to 545 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:00,960 loss of life. But you take these oil prices into account, 546 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,519 you TAKEAI into account. 547 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:06,759 Speaker 3: Thirty thousand people fired from Oracle, and that's just getting started. 548 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,599 Speaker 2: Entire industries being eaten alive, and the economy just changes, 549 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,000 and we're at the precipice. My friend Zach Abraham is 550 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,240 putting in a free live webinar April twenty six at 551 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,799 three thirty Pacific to dig into how this is likely 552 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:23,960 to affect your retirement. 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So let 571 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680 me ask you this, Mike, in regard to the war 572 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,359 where we stand now, what's the big thing that you 573 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240 would you wouldn't worry about things, because that's not who 574 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,519 you guys are. But what does the United States need 575 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,880 to be looking out for. We've talked about demoralizing China. 576 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:29,880 Their systems are looking bad. They're a safe faith society. 577 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,279 They could come back and say, hey, we need a 578 00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:33,559 win here. We need to show that we can help 579 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,920 our partners fight back against this or Russia. But at 580 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,160 this point, what are the contingencies you'd be really worried 581 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,400 about if you were running things in that theater. 582 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,759 Speaker 1: Still looking at the Uranian missiles at I saw a 583 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,559 recent report where a lot of them aren't actually home grown, 584 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,680 but they're sold to them by North Korea in exchange 585 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,640 for cash and oil, or they'll have North Korea in parts. 586 00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:05,279 I'd be worried about resupplies of those getting in somehow. 587 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,039 There's still be you know, some missiles coming down. I 588 00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,240 think there's a lot more drones than missiles, but there's 589 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,799 still ballistic missiles that are being fired, their ability to 590 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,519 keep a stranglehold on the streets or hormus. It's twenty 591 00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:24,519 percent of the world's oil, but mostly it goes to Asia, Asia, Australia, 592 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,559 So those those are the countries that are really getting 593 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,240 impact it right now, plus the oil producing nations. 594 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking to companies, the Iranian bosses put out 595 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,880 to hit basically, and you should talk about this because 596 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,160 right now what you're doing is helping organizations, businesses, high network. 597 00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:45,799 Speaker 3: People, churches, et cetera, stay safe. 598 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: And I guess it's they put out to hit saying 599 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:56,480 go attack businesses and these are now okay targets any 600 00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,440 and all businesses, if they're from the West, go kill people, 601 00:31:59,519 --> 00:31:59,960 break things. 602 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:02,759 Speaker 3: That call went out, what I think you sent this 603 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,160 to me Friday or Saturday. 604 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,359 Speaker 1: I think the most recent one. I'd said it was 605 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,160 about the religious threats, but. 606 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,079 Speaker 3: Sent me that one. But there was one about companies too, Yeah, a. 607 00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: Few days prior to that, Derek. And this was primarily 608 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:20,880 directed towards companies that can be considered part of our 609 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:26,519 military industrial complex, but with facilities over in the Middle East. However, 610 00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:32,039 I interpret that as also a license for loan actors 611 00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,319 that they want to inspire to go after these companies 612 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,440 or the employees and the business people wherever these companies exist. 613 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean Google would be that. 614 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,039 Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to find a company that doesn't 615 00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:51,359 want department of defense money. Microsoft said, NASA, Google heads 616 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,640 in this. There's AI companies that are involved in all. 617 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,319 Speaker 1: This, software companies like Volunteer. 618 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:02,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so if they're going to get hits, this is 619 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,119 where you kind of come into to play now in. 620 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,559 Speaker 3: What you do at AOC security. So what do they 621 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:08,359 need to be looking for? 622 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because tomorrow 623 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,119 afternoon I have an appointment with our county sheriff to 624 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:19,480 go brief him on terrorism and the U and potential threats. 625 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,400 People need to understand that it's easy enough nowadays for 626 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,759 the war to come home. And it doesn't have to 627 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,640 be an Iranians sleep or cell, whether they exist or not. 628 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,200 Just it has to be someone who thinks what we're 629 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,720 doing over there is wrong. It could be anyone from 630 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,440 a uh An, immigrant from an Islamic country. It can 631 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,519 be people on the on the far left who are 632 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,480 supporting these things. And if if someone sees you as 633 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,359 or your business has opposing us actions, it could even 634 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,759 be someone on the right, although you know that tends 635 00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:59,200 to be less the case. But you have to be 636 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,519 aware of all all of it, and there are certain 637 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:05,920 things that businesses should be doing. You need to see 638 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,519 where you are right now, what do you have in place, 639 00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,360 if anything, and then figure out where you're going to start. 640 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,400 And that's one of the things that we do because 641 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,159 we've planned offensive actions against targets. That makes us uniquely 642 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,119 qualified to work on the defense and kind of see 643 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,239 things through a bad actor's eyes, through the enemy's eyes, 644 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,400 and then help people and companies become more resilient through 645 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,719 that aspect. 646 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,039 Speaker 2: So you could be going into business as someone who 647 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,519 would be planning to hit that business, and so you'll 648 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,159 see vulnerabilities that other people wouldn't see because you're used 649 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,000 to looking at them as something you're going to exploit, right. 650 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're used to looking at these things as targets ourselves. 651 00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 652 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,119 Speaker 2: And then you did share with me the churches that 653 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,159 it gets the call went out to burn us when 654 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,920 we were going to church that they wanted to I 655 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,519 guess burn us alive in churches, which was a call 656 00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,199 for arson. And I don't think that call has been 657 00:34:57,199 --> 00:34:59,280 withdrawn just because Easter weekend's. 658 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,199 Speaker 1: Over correct and the UH. In fact, I haven't heard 659 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,440 of anything happening in the US, but it's still only Monday. 660 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,519 But in Pakistan there was a there was a vehicle 661 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:13,000 ramming attack against Christians where I think almost sixty people 662 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,400 were injured. But yeah, and the arseet attacks could happen 663 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,880 either while the church is occupied or at night while 664 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,320 the you know, well everything's closed up, because you know, 665 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,639 there's still symbolic targets. And even if a if a 666 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,079 church or synagogue has a robust security team, they tend 667 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,039 to go home when the congregants do right. 668 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,599 Speaker 2: Right, And you were cautioning me over this weekend with 669 00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:42,239 our church, Hey, people outside, make sure that there's people 670 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,480 in the parking lot, et cetera. 671 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,599 Speaker 3: And we're blessed to have a really good security team. 672 00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:48,599 Speaker 2: People be wise to choose into the church because of 673 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:50,199 the amount of security. 674 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 3: That we have. But I'll just tell you over this 675 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,280 weekend is this isn't connected to the war, I think. 676 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: But we had a guy kind of go crazy going 677 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,639 around in the churches and threatening people and then went 678 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,079 and broke the windows at the sheriff's office. 679 00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 3: And he was kind of having. 680 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: A drug induce that looked like psychotic break apparently, but 681 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,199 he made it in the churches and the sheriff is 682 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,480 searching for him. Then was it there also a ramming 683 00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:13,920 in Louisiana. I think this weekend I thought I saw 684 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:14,599 a big game. 685 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a Laotian community was celebrating their New Year, 686 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:23,679 and it was a vehicle comes plowing through. It was 687 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,559 a drunk driver who was at I think almost twice 688 00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:28,320 a legal limit. I don't know if there was any 689 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,199 other reason behind that, Howard, And that points out, you know, 690 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,199 a fact that you know the thing in Louisiana and 691 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,280 there in your community. The reason doesn't necessarily matter. It's 692 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,920 the fact that it's still happening, and so therefore precautions 693 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,000 have to be taken against what we call all hazards 694 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,880 all threats. Yeah, and then because you don't say, okay, 695 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,519 we're going to do one thing for a potential terrorism incident, 696 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,920 another thing for you know, maybe a drugged out person, 697 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,840 you know, running around with a knife. You taken all 698 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,000 hazards into consideration when you're putting your plans together. 699 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,119 Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised that that this guy in 700 00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:14,559 Idaho is known UH and was on watch lists and 701 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:18,360 still made it into the front door churches. That that 702 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,079 would tell me something about the security teams at churches 703 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,239 that if you knew this guy was in circulation and 704 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,199 making threats. You knew him by looking at his face. Man, 705 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,119 that that tells me something that's not great about the 706 00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:34,760 preparation these teams, or maybe they missed something. So on 707 00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:36,760 that topic, how can people get in touch with you 708 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,760 to make sure they're not leaving huge open doorways like 709 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,079 that to put congregants at risk or employees at risk. 710 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,039 Speaker 1: Sure, and go to our website at opcon dot com 711 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,320 A d O P C O N dot com, right 712 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,920 to us at AOC dot security at opcon dot com, 713 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,440 and you can follow us on Instagram and x at 714 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,639 AOC underscore Security yep. 715 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 3: And there's links to the show notes, et cetera. 716 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,519 Speaker 2: And Mike and his team can come out and check 717 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,320 you guys out and make sure you're staying as safe 718 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,360 as possible. And I'm thrilled their guys are okay and 719 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,760 coming home and I'm thrilled that the training works. 720 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:15,199 Speaker 3: And I want this over. 721 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:15,519 Speaker 4: Man. 722 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 2: I'm sick of our guys at risk. I've never served, 723 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,920 but I'm sick of war. I'm sick of death. I 724 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,199 pray God will end this thing and wrap this up. 725 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,039 And in the meantime, I'm just going to pray that 726 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,800 loss of life is minimal, and I just want your 727 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,519 teammates come. 728 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,079 Speaker 3: Home, Like I'm tired of it. 729 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 2: I'd rather have them back with you celebrating the victories 730 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,960 that were won than out there. 731 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,639 Speaker 3: I just I want them home. I don't know how 732 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:41,159 you feel about it. I just I want them home. 733 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: Well, we were tired of facing the Iranian supplied i 734 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:50,679 EDS in Iraq when I was there twenty years ago. Yeah, 735 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,960 we were tired of the Marine Corps barracks getting destroyed 736 00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:59,400 by Iranian proxy forces in nineteen eighty three and the 737 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,199 USM as well. So it's the fight's been coming. I mean, 738 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,280 it's just now we're in it. Yeah, it was pretty 739 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,519 one sided before. 740 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,639 Speaker 2: Tim Krukshanks did the same thing. Tim, you know, retired 741 00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,639 seal said the same thing. He said, Todd, it was 742 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:18,000 a seventeen year war. If we'd done this stuff seventeen 743 00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:20,840 years ago, we wouldn't have been in this circumstance. His 744 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,480 estimation was, Hey, President Trump says rude things and f words, 745 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:28,599 and he's not always the most polite, and there's elements 746 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,239 of what he's done that we don't agree with. But 747 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,519 he's saying, in this case, we have a chief commander, 748 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,599 Chief who's willing to let the military kill people and 749 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:41,199 break things in the degree that they're capable of so 750 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,039 at at the very least, I guess our guys face 751 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:45,440 less of. 752 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,159 Speaker 3: This in the world. 753 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,559 Speaker 2: And maybe it really does liberate the Iranian people, because 754 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,880 looking into my friend's eyes, who grew up in Iran. 755 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 3: She wants to go home. 756 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,079 Speaker 2: Her sons are in their mid twenties, one of them 757 00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:03,400 serves and is not yet deployed, but will be, and. 758 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 3: She just wants to go home. Wants her voice to 759 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:05,559 see you. 760 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: I ran, Yeah, that's the chapter you yet to be written. 761 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,320 Hopefully she gets. 762 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,039 Speaker 3: To go Yeah, hope so too. Thank you for serving, brother, 763 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:13,920 Thank you for sharing your. 764 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,079 Speaker 2: Expertise with us. Again links in the show notes. This 765 00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:19,119 is the Todd Hermit Show. 766 00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 3: Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and please 767 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,920 make every effort to walk in the light of Christ.