Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: Two members of our military rescues and I want to
talk about the mechanics of that, but I can't.
Speaker 3: I've never served. Fortunately, our friend Michael Rourke.
Speaker 2: Knows what he's talking about, and he's a retired Special
Forces operative. He's done things like this, and there are
things he can tell us and there's things he can't.
So we'll respect that. We'll talk with Michael Rourke with
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Speaker 2: Today is the day the Lord has made in These
are the times to which God is decided we shall live.
Joining me is my friends, Michael Rourke, Advanced operational Concepts,
retired Special Forces operative and observer of all things military
and by the way, a guy who helps us get
prepared in our lives for situational contingencies in a dangerous world.
Speaker 3: Good to see you again, my friend. How you doing.
Speaker 1: Good morning, Todd. What a great day to be back
with you.
Speaker 3: Very much.
Speaker 2: So, I want to start by laying some groundwork for
something that I think has been lost in military, not
to military culture, but discapilent culture. We Christians say, no
greater love as man than are laid on his life
for a brother. And in the military, you guys operate
with the code that no man will be left behind. A.
I don't know that young people know that, and B.
I don't think we civilians really get it to this
day what that means to you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an ethos we live by. I mean, it's
so ingrained into our military culture that we are still
to this day searching for the misin in action from
World War two and yes, and working to bring them home. Yeah,
no man left behind. Is something that we live by.
That's why for a combat search and rescue mission, you
can't ask for volunteers because everyone will be trying to
get on that infiltration burd And.
Speaker 2: What does it mean to you guys when you're serving
and and you're in, you know, you're in the deep blank,
and you obviously you're mentally tuned.
Speaker 3: We're getting out of this. We're going to win. We're
going to beat these guys.
Speaker 2: But does it mean something in your back of your
mind to know even if I go down, I'm they'll
take me, They'll get my body.
Speaker 3: Nothing's getting left behind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can go in knowing that America is gonna
come for you. We're gonna come in. We're gonna get
you out, whether you're dead or alive, We're coming for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was watching some of the coverage on this
and some of the I wanted to start with one
of the keyboard.
Speaker 3: Warriors, who knows a lot about war.
Speaker 2: Who put up a tweet that got all sorts of retweets,
and it's a picture of three aircraft. He wrote, lose
all this to rescue one pilot and call it your
greatest middle military military success of all time.
Speaker 3: Tons of likes, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And you put instant contexts to these three aircraft being
lost in this mission.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we'd lose more aircraft and training every year.
And I think a retired Sentcom commander probably said it best.
It takes a year to build an airplane. It took
two hundred years to instill the no man left behind
ethos in our military, you know, I said, and those
are words that we live by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been there's a lot of training that goes
into helping you guys survive. And again this goes into
the things you can say and things you can't say category.
But there's a school, and I think obviously we're not
the only one, but there's one near where I live
in North Idaho, a seers school.
Speaker 3: So survive, evade, resist, escape and.
Speaker 2: When you guys go or a lot of guys go
through this, but I understand all the all the Air
Force pilots go through that because they're likely to be
shot down. And what goes on in that school to
degree you can talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the one at Firschall Air Force Base there
in in northeastern Washington. It's the US Air Force Seer
School and aircrew who are at a high risk of capture.
They go through what's called Level C, the high risk
level of seer for Army Special Operations Forces. We have
one at Fort Bragg. I actually went through the one
in Fairchild. I went through the Air Force course where
besides one former recom marine who was going through the
PAERA rescue pipeline, everyone else in the in the class,
you know, all the other students were aircrew, whether pilots, navigators,
systems operators, you know, officers and listed all going through this,
and you know they're going through the survival portion, you know,
and learning what's like to have to operate on the
ground when all of a sudden you find yourself without
your airplane.
Speaker 2: And then the resist portion of this is to resist
being successfully interrogated or turns. And then your priority at
that point was resisting that, as I understand it, and
then your priority is to escape to get out. So
you're taught all of these methodologies, and I've I've had
some conversations with people who were senior to that school,
and there's elements of it that don't sound super fun.
Speaker 1: There are elements that are not super fun. And when
you have a a class full of primarily aircrew, and
you have one former Marine and one Green Beret in
the class. That's who they picked on to make most
of the examples out of can't You can't really go
into the uh you know, they're resistant and escape portion
too much. But you start off by hinding survival skills.
These are skills that we already had in a Special
Forces course, you know, just our qualification course. But these
were new skills to the Air Force crew members. And
we were there in winter. I think there's about six
feet of snow on the ground, you know, so we're
we're trying to move move through that with snowshoes on
and h learning these skills. Then there's an invasion portion
portion where you have to okay, now you have to
get out of here, you have to make it to
certain points, but that that portion is designed for you
to fail, and then you have an encounter with the enemy,
and then the course gets a little darker from there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I won't say, because I don't know the license,
I have to say what I've learned from people who
help run it, So I won't say. I could just
say good luck getting through that without tons and tons
of soul and hearts and bravery and smarts, and that's
why it's called training. Jonathan k Parts noted military expert. Oh,
Jonathan k Part was on PBS. And then we'll get
into the mechanics of this rescue mission. And here's what
he said about the war. Then I think he's speaking
in context of having a witnessed this rescue. He's a
city next to fake conservative David Brooks.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a war of choice. We didn't
need to do take this action. Now, what's funny but
not funny playing on cable right now on a loop
is Top Gun Maverick. And if anyone has seen that movie,
the whole plot is about a US military operation keep
inside Iran and two on fighter pilots have to inject
out of their out of their planes. I bring that
up because there was more of a plan in the
fictional plot of Top Gun Maverick. Then there appears to
be in this very real, very live situation but in
the in the United States.
Speaker 2: So putting aside his estimation of war of of of
the choice, we can talk about that. I'm listening to
this and I'm you, how can you have this opinion?
But I'm just a host.
Speaker 3: What do you hear when you see or see this
guy say something like.
Speaker 1: That, I see someone who knows absolutely nothing about the military,
and if he believes top Gun Maverick in movie I
found recently, has has any sort of realistic resemblance to
what happens, and when Paulot goes down behind enemy lines,
this happens to be an old F fourteen hanging around. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean consider the source absolutely.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: My wife and I watched that movie and we're surprised
actually to enjoy it. I've seen it twice. I mean,
it's to me, it's fun watching, but it wasn't there
thinking I was encountering geopolitical realities or tactical realities. So
and Mike will continue this in just a second. Let
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through the setup for this that there are teams of
people you were talking to me pre show who are
assigned this role right now. They know they get the
call when someone goes down. So let's just start with
the op and what you saw and how this works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess somewhere in the night of April
third one of our F fifteen East Drikee Eagles was
shot down in southwestern Iran pretty much right away, you know,
and both both the air crew ejected. But the thing
about ejection, you're not inatially gonna come down together in
the same spot. You know, you get out when you
have to get out. You know, one minute everything's fine,
and next thing you know, your your instruments are giving
you nothing but bad news, and you have to you
have to punch out, you know, immediately, regardless of how
fast you're going. I mean, when we jump out of airplanes,
we jump out to see when thirty it's going to
a nice date, one hundred and thirty knots, you know,
and even then you know, over the years, you know,
from jumping, I've had knee surgeries, I've had concussions, you know,
other injuries. And that's when we meant to jump out
of the plane. Yeah right, And these guys are going
to you know how many times faster, No one knows.
They Once that injection seat motorits you in the butt,
you may never be the same height you were when
you first got into that plane.
Speaker 3: You know, those things explode, is that right?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, And you know so they're hitting the ground.
The you have a an alert package CESAR Combat Search
and Rescue that's you know, standing by for just such
an eventuality. The pilot was recovered within a few hours,
you know, they're they're they're about approximately three hundred miles
behind enemy lines and him was recovered within a few hours. However,
they weren't able to get the Wizzo, the weapon system
officer out on that same on that same pass. So
then your whole CSAR task force brings into action. This
is where the deliberate planning takes place where they're they're gonna, okay,
we get getting an idea where he is, need for
him to make contact with us, so we know he's alive.
We have to confirm that it's really him. So they're
not setting up what's called a star trap that we're
being baited in to lose more people in assets and
as far as you know, and there's a method to
you know, confirm who it is you're actually talking to
you have the right guy. I can't go into that
for obvious operational security reasons. So then you've got all
kinds of forces, You've got special operations forces. They are
going to be the muscle on the ground securing a
when they determined that they had to get a what's
called a FARP, a forward arming and refueling points set
up with fixed wing aircraft in order to give extra
range to the helicopters that are going in that area
has to be secured. Do you have people they're going
to be getting on these small helicopters that were loaded
into the back of one or both of those C
one thirties, then pulled off quickly put into operation and
went out to go get this guy. You probably had.
These are MH six little birds. Folks might have seen
them in the movie Block Hawk Down, the small helicopters
with the people riding on the outside. There are probably
gun ship versions the AH six, which has rocket pods
and mini guns in order to provide close in fire support.
So these are guys that are going out to get
the survivor, and you've got Air Force payer rescue, some
of the best guys in the world. They go through
an amazing training pipeline, all fully paramedic qualified, all kinds
of other skills. They go through every really cool school
the military has to offer, including schools from the other
services of combat, Air force combat controllers who are basically
in charge of all the air assets that are stacked
up just ready to ring fury on anyone that comes
near our rescue force or our evader. So it is
a very complex operation, layers of command, lots of assets.
And he evaded, I want to say, for somewhere between
twenty four plus hours before we were able to get him.
He had to get away from the crash site right
away if he was anywhere near that wreckage that you know,
fireball smoking the air that that attracts a lot of tension.
So as soon as he was able saw this is
up the situation, said okay, how hurd am I I
need to get away from here? Where can I go?
And he started heading to high ground in order to
get away from vehicles that might be looking for him,
to make it easier for him to communicate and harder
for the enemy to get at him.
Speaker 2: And I assume and sometimes getting away means not getting away,
but finding a way to hide. I like, if you're
if you're super injured and you can't move with any speed,
part of that evade is making yourself invisible to the enemy.
Speaker 3: And man, that's got to be harrowing and because they're going.
Speaker 2: To play all their assets to go try to get
one of our guys, right, because, not to be gross
about it, but they would see this as a trophy.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely they would. And my understands he might have
moved up to five miles away from the where he
was where he came down at and an upper ridge
line that think was a total of seven thousand feet
in elevation. I'm not sure what else elevation he started at,
but I think ended up somewhere around seven thousand feet
above sea level.
Speaker 3: Wow, and that would be purposeful.
Speaker 2: You you didn't mean high grounds rhetorically, you meant it
tactically and from a perspective.
Speaker 1: Literal high ground. Yeah. For this case, it helps it
and helps him signal to rescue forces, makes it harder
for an eemy forces to find him, especially if they're
mainly searching roads.
Speaker 3: You've been on some of these ops, right.
Speaker 1: Not not an actual cestar mission. We trained in My
SF team trained in Florida with the Air Force Special Operations.
We worked with their AC one thirty gun ships. We
worked with their fifty three helicopters, and one of the
scenarios we went through was a recovery of a down pilot,
so that they put they put a crew member out there,
you know, for us to find, make contact with, go
through all the procedures that were you know, probably used
in Iran.
Speaker 2: Just the other day you mentioned Scott Scott, a Grady
Wright who had to evade.
Speaker 3: You said, for what ten days he had to evade?
Speaker 1: I think it was about six days. Here we show
us down in Bosnia, I want to say nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that six days, that's going to be the
longest six days of anybody's life because of all the
assets being deployed to come and get you. When we
get these guys out, what kind of debriefing do.
Speaker 3: They go under? I mean they're obviously we're going to
care for the physical needs right away.
Speaker 2: But do we learn things in these circumstances after someone's
been down and the things that important aspects we take
away with the enemy.
Speaker 1: Does absolutely. The deep briefings are extensive. I mean step
by step, you know what happened, you know, once you
hit the ground, what did you do? What were you thinking?
Because they're trying to take lessons learned and they're going
to take those back to the schoolhouse and train you know,
future pilots and other aircrew on. Hey, this is how
these skills apply a real world. And like I said,
the seier training kicks in the moment you're on the ground.
You know, he knew what to do. Even though you know,
I'm not sure the extent of his injuries, but apparently
he was hurt, he still managed to you know, size
up the situation the first part in the acronymic survival
and then you know, get get away from the from
the area that's going to be the focus of the
immediate search.
Speaker 2: I was reading an account of a guy who went
to He qualified as an army ranger. He never did
get into combat, and he doesn't make that distinction, but
he was a ranger, and he was talking about some
of the courses he took, survival courses and medical care courses,
and he made reference to having to put an IV
in his own arm in a in a moving vehicle
because there were only two people in this scenario and
his job was to tap a vein and as successfully
in certain IV as they were going like sixty five
miles in hour, doing this on his own well, being
chased by people and another team it's is it. It's
that's such a I mean, I know it's a true
account because he's not a guy that lies. But this
is the sort of training that you guys have, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the like your Air Force pilots, they won't have
that level of medical training. But yeah, if you're special operations,
you'll you'll get a significant level Fortchuellly. I never had
to try to put an IV in myself because it's
no fun being the pincushion and when someone else is
doing it. Yeah, but I've had in training our medics, uh,
trying to do it in my arm in a moving
helicopter that was flying, you know, low level at night,
and I think it took him five or six sticks
before he finally got a vain Yeah. And and and
this is the actual medic, not not not some knucklehead
like me who's trying to do it on someone else too.
We also have to.
Speaker 2: Do yeah, are you at this point when we get
guys in the ground. Now, this has changed the dynamic
of the war. I know they were there for the
rescue mission. So that's contained President Trump issued, Uh, I
mean it's a threat, and he issued it on resurrection
Sunday and involved the F word, and I'm not a
fan of the F word from our presidents on the
resurrection Sunday, and I've talked about that, but he's telling
Iran open the effing straight or else. Uh, And he says,
it's bridge day, it's infrastructure day, it's energy day. And
does it change the dynamic that we've had boots on
the ground now in this scenario rescuings that make it
easier for them to put boots on the ground subsequent
to this or what do you think?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there was a plan to put tendically
boots on the ground to rescue aircrew from day one
before this evening.
Speaker 3: Off got that. I mean, once we've crossed it, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's always going to happen. So I mean what it means,
you know, if you're talking about like more of a
you know, longer term presidence. I don't think a CSAR
mission impacts that calculus one way or the other.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you guys worry about hearts and minds when
when we start blowing up bridges and.
Speaker 3: Power sources because there's a good.
Speaker 2: Percentage of the ranting people. I was just talking with
a friend of my wife, and I have a friend
who's Persian. She was born in Iran. Her dad was
a diplomat to the Shah, and she remembered being driven
around by drivers, et cetera. She just she wants to
go home. She wants her sons to see Iran. She
loves the Persian people. She is in favor of the war,
and other people very close to me are they're very
worried about it, to dead set against it. But do you, guys,
worry about hearts and minds when you start taking away
people's power in their homes and capacity to store food
and water, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Well, what you have to consider is whether these assets
are also being used by the military, and like you know,
and if they are, that puts them more on a
legitimate target life, even though they'll also impact civilians. It's uh,
you know, it's kind of a difficult one to call because,
like I said, there are a lot of people who
would like to see this regime go. Regime change is
not a stated goal of our operation, but we're trying
to set the conditions for them to where, you know,
if they're able to do it themselves, they can. But meanwhile,
we have to take away the ability of the Iranian
military to fight, and.
Speaker 2: We've not done that yet because I mean, we have
destroyed a lot of stuff. Our guys have been incredible.
I stand amazed at what we're able to do in the.
Speaker 3: Force we can reject.
Speaker 2: But they're still shooting planes down, albeit praise God, not many.
I mean, you don't have the full picture into Iran
and what they can do, but at this point, how
hobbled are they?
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 1: Well, we have what we call air superiority, which means
means you can do what you can pretty much impose
your will from the sky, but Iran still has the
ability to interject if you will. Yeah, you know, consider
it imposing your will with a bit of friction from
the other side, as opposed to air supremacy, which tends
to erase almost all that resistance to shoot down with
the ability to shoot down aircraft.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, you know, a lot of people don't realize how
big Iran is. I mean, it's almost the size of Alaska.
It's you know, two three times I think larger than Texas.
They have somewhere around under all branches of the military.
I think, like somewhere around a million people under arms.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is is a significant country in there's
a there's a lot to take out if you're really
gonna cripple their ability to fight back.
Speaker 2: I know you saw the conversation I had with our
mutual friend Tim Krukshank mentioned at the top of the show.
Speaker 3: Tim was a medic with the Sealed Teams.
Speaker 2: And it's funny every time I say medic, I get
I know a messages.
Speaker 3: No, it's a Corman.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Tim says medic. I'm gonna say what he says,
and I'll let you guys figure out the military acronyms.
I didn't serve you guys go figure that out. But
you saw that conversation kind of to complement us on it,
and he mentioned his love of the Persian people and
when he's had contact with them.
Speaker 3: How much contact have you had with the Persian people?
Speaker 1: Not much, honestly, I've known a few Iranians. There was
a kind of a famous notorious Iranian Green Beret several
years ago. Who I knew it was.
Speaker 3: It was a wild man for real?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for real, I mean an Raine national who came
here and became a Green Beret.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow, Yeah, I think he escaped the Shaw
and uh, he'd already been in you know, in SF
for quite a while before, you know, when I met
and when I was really young. So and yeah, I
mean he hate hated the current regime a lot of
people do. I think I've mentioned you fourth. You know,
if you look at like college yearbooks from Iran from
prior to nineteen seventy nine, you know, you've got you know,
men in suits, women and dresses, you know, and you know,
kind of western clothing, enjoying a relatively affluent lifestyle, even
though they had a Shaw that you know, a lot
of people would say was pretty repressive. Yeah, and I
think we had and we had something to do with
installing him, you know, a couple of decades prior. Yeah,
but yeah, it's just a lot. I think a lot
of people over there are ready for change.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this speaking what she's
talking about the yearbook scenario. Marcar Rubia, Secretary of State,
has withdrawn the visitor visa of a young woman who
was apparently well. Her name is Haamda Solomni Offshar. She
is the niece of the deceased Iranian Major General Cassom
Solamni she was living.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: There's a just horrible juxtaposition side by side of a
woman in Iran who had the the police poured acid
on her face security forces in Iran. Half her faces
is melted because she was not correctly wearing the he job.
And this niece of this general. I mean, this is
a full on thirst shot, barely wearing anything, bikini shot
with a lemon in her mouth, living Los Angeles and
celebrating the war, celebrating to take down America, et cetera.
She could have had acid port on her face for
a living this way, but she lives over here, and
this is apparently not uncommon you know, Sharia for thee
but not for me.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I've seen the same thing in parts of
the Middle East where some of the folks that were
it's you know, Islam is very heavy in the you know,
as far as impacting people's lives. Yeah, and then I'll
see them in other parts of the world and just
totally ignoring those tenants, you know, drinking alcohol and just
having a good old time. And then yeah, I've seen
a lot of people from Saudi Arabia when and I'd
see them over in Asia somewhere.
Speaker 3: Oh really, and you deserve the same dynamic.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. But as far as Sole the Money's niece,
by all means, feel free to put a parachute on
her and kick her out over Tehran, well the sea.
Speaker 3: That goes for her.
Speaker 2: I don't think she'd enjoy that process of being being
air dropped into the country, you know. As this war
turns around, Mike and pray, pray to God it ends.
Speaker 3: I want so much. I want.
Speaker 2: I'm tired of the loss of life on all sides,
and Jesus weeps. But right now, man, my wife and
I were looking at gas prices. We're in North Idaho,
not in the separate country Washington where you live, where
the gas prices are insane. But yeah, four bucks four
to twenty five gallon, and that pales in comparison to
loss of life. But you take these oil prices into account,
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would you wouldn't worry about things, because that's not who
you guys are. But what does the United States need
to be looking out for. We've talked about demoralizing China.
Their systems are looking bad. They're a safe faith society.
They could come back and say, hey, we need a
win here. We need to show that we can help
our partners fight back against this or Russia. But at
this point, what are the contingencies you'd be really worried
about if you were running things in that theater.
Speaker 1: Still looking at the Uranian missiles at I saw a
recent report where a lot of them aren't actually home grown,
but they're sold to them by North Korea in exchange
for cash and oil, or they'll have North Korea in parts.
I'd be worried about resupplies of those getting in somehow.
There's still be you know, some missiles coming down. I
think there's a lot more drones than missiles, but there's
still ballistic missiles that are being fired, their ability to
keep a stranglehold on the streets or hormus. It's twenty
percent of the world's oil, but mostly it goes to Asia, Asia, Australia,
So those those are the countries that are really getting
impact it right now, plus the oil producing nations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking to companies, the Iranian bosses put out
to hit basically, and you should talk about this because
right now what you're doing is helping organizations, businesses, high network.
Speaker 3: People, churches, et cetera, stay safe.
Speaker 2: And I guess it's they put out to hit saying
go attack businesses and these are now okay targets any
and all businesses, if they're from the West, go kill people,
break things.
Speaker 3: That call went out, what I think you sent this
to me Friday or Saturday.
Speaker 1: I think the most recent one. I'd said it was
about the religious threats, but.
Speaker 3: Sent me that one. But there was one about companies too, Yeah, a.
Speaker 1: Few days prior to that, Derek. And this was primarily
directed towards companies that can be considered part of our
military industrial complex, but with facilities over in the Middle East. However,
I interpret that as also a license for loan actors
that they want to inspire to go after these companies
or the employees and the business people wherever these companies exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean Google would be that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to find a company that doesn't
want department of defense money. Microsoft said, NASA, Google heads
in this. There's AI companies that are involved in all.
Speaker 1: This, software companies like Volunteer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if they're going to get hits, this is
where you kind of come into to play now in.
Speaker 3: What you do at AOC security. So what do they
need to be looking for?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because tomorrow
afternoon I have an appointment with our county sheriff to
go brief him on terrorism and the U and potential threats.
People need to understand that it's easy enough nowadays for
the war to come home. And it doesn't have to
be an Iranians sleep or cell, whether they exist or not.
Just it has to be someone who thinks what we're
doing over there is wrong. It could be anyone from
a uh An, immigrant from an Islamic country. It can
be people on the on the far left who are
supporting these things. And if if someone sees you as
or your business has opposing us actions, it could even
be someone on the right, although you know that tends
to be less the case. But you have to be
aware of all all of it, and there are certain
things that businesses should be doing. You need to see
where you are right now, what do you have in place,
if anything, and then figure out where you're going to start.
And that's one of the things that we do because
we've planned offensive actions against targets. That makes us uniquely
qualified to work on the defense and kind of see
things through a bad actor's eyes, through the enemy's eyes,
and then help people and companies become more resilient through
that aspect.
Speaker 2: So you could be going into business as someone who
would be planning to hit that business, and so you'll
see vulnerabilities that other people wouldn't see because you're used
to looking at them as something you're going to exploit, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're used to looking at these things as targets ourselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then you did share with me the churches that
it gets the call went out to burn us when
we were going to church that they wanted to I
guess burn us alive in churches, which was a call
for arson. And I don't think that call has been
withdrawn just because Easter weekend's.
Speaker 1: Over correct and the UH. In fact, I haven't heard
of anything happening in the US, but it's still only Monday.
But in Pakistan there was a there was a vehicle
ramming attack against Christians where I think almost sixty people
were injured. But yeah, and the arseet attacks could happen
either while the church is occupied or at night while
the you know, well everything's closed up, because you know,
there's still symbolic targets. And even if a if a
church or synagogue has a robust security team, they tend
to go home when the congregants do right.
Speaker 2: Right, And you were cautioning me over this weekend with
our church, Hey, people outside, make sure that there's people
in the parking lot, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And we're blessed to have a really good security team.
Speaker 2: People be wise to choose into the church because of
the amount of security.
Speaker 3: That we have. But I'll just tell you over this
weekend is this isn't connected to the war, I think.
Speaker 2: But we had a guy kind of go crazy going
around in the churches and threatening people and then went
and broke the windows at the sheriff's office.
Speaker 3: And he was kind of having.
Speaker 2: A drug induce that looked like psychotic break apparently, but
he made it in the churches and the sheriff is
searching for him. Then was it there also a ramming
in Louisiana. I think this weekend I thought I saw
a big game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a Laotian community was celebrating their New Year,
and it was a vehicle comes plowing through. It was
a drunk driver who was at I think almost twice
a legal limit. I don't know if there was any
other reason behind that, Howard, And that points out, you know,
a fact that you know the thing in Louisiana and
there in your community. The reason doesn't necessarily matter. It's
the fact that it's still happening, and so therefore precautions
have to be taken against what we call all hazards
all threats. Yeah, and then because you don't say, okay,
we're going to do one thing for a potential terrorism incident,
another thing for you know, maybe a drugged out person,
you know, running around with a knife. You taken all
hazards into consideration when you're putting your plans together.
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised that that this guy in
Idaho is known UH and was on watch lists and
still made it into the front door churches. That that
would tell me something about the security teams at churches
that if you knew this guy was in circulation and
making threats. You knew him by looking at his face. Man,
that that tells me something that's not great about the
preparation these teams, or maybe they missed something. So on
that topic, how can people get in touch with you
to make sure they're not leaving huge open doorways like
that to put congregants at risk or employees at risk.
Speaker 1: Sure, and go to our website at opcon dot com
A d O P C O N dot com, right
to us at AOC dot security at opcon dot com,
and you can follow us on Instagram and x at
AOC underscore Security yep.
Speaker 3: And there's links to the show notes, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And Mike and his team can come out and check
you guys out and make sure you're staying as safe
as possible. And I'm thrilled their guys are okay and
coming home and I'm thrilled that the training works.
Speaker 3: And I want this over.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm sick of our guys at risk. I've never served,
but I'm sick of war. I'm sick of death. I
pray God will end this thing and wrap this up.
And in the meantime, I'm just going to pray that
loss of life is minimal, and I just want your
teammates come.
Speaker 3: Home, Like I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have them back with you celebrating the victories
that were won than out there.
Speaker 3: I just I want them home. I don't know how
you feel about it. I just I want them home.
Speaker 1: Well, we were tired of facing the Iranian supplied i
EDS in Iraq when I was there twenty years ago. Yeah,
we were tired of the Marine Corps barracks getting destroyed
by Iranian proxy forces in nineteen eighty three and the
USM as well. So it's the fight's been coming. I mean,
it's just now we're in it. Yeah, it was pretty
one sided before.
Speaker 2: Tim Krukshanks did the same thing. Tim, you know, retired
seal said the same thing. He said, Todd, it was
a seventeen year war. If we'd done this stuff seventeen
years ago, we wouldn't have been in this circumstance. His
estimation was, Hey, President Trump says rude things and f words,
and he's not always the most polite, and there's elements
of what he's done that we don't agree with. But
he's saying, in this case, we have a chief commander,
Chief who's willing to let the military kill people and
break things in the degree that they're capable of so
at at the very least, I guess our guys face
less of.
Speaker 3: This in the world.
Speaker 2: And maybe it really does liberate the Iranian people, because
looking into my friend's eyes, who grew up in Iran.
Speaker 3: She wants to go home.
Speaker 2: Her sons are in their mid twenties, one of them
serves and is not yet deployed, but will be, and.
Speaker 3: She just wants to go home. Wants her voice to
see you.
Speaker 1: I ran, Yeah, that's the chapter you yet to be written.
Hopefully she gets.
Speaker 3: To go Yeah, hope so too. Thank you for serving, brother,
Thank you for sharing your.
Speaker 2: Expertise with us. Again links in the show notes. This
is the Todd Hermit Show.
Speaker 3: Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, and please
make every effort to walk in the light of Christ.