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<v Speaker 1>Joining me now is the man that the show is

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<v Speaker 1>named after, a guy. That's such a coincidence that they

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<v Speaker 1>found a guy named Guy Benson to host the Guy

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<v Speaker 1>Benson Show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's almost like a miracle. Really.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, it was the one requirement actually for the job,

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<v Speaker 3>which is how I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, how long have you been doing your

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<v Speaker 1>radio show?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did you come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Give me your backstory? Give me your elevator's speech of success?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Well, I where do you want me to start? Birth?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I studied broadcast journalism in political science in

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<v Speaker 3>college at Northwestern in Chicago. Started my career in Chicago

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<v Speaker 3>doing a weekend radio show and doing some writing for

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<v Speaker 3>National Review and write Bart back when Andrew was alive,

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<v Speaker 3>and then got hired by Townhall dot Com to move

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<v Speaker 3>to DC in twenty ten, So fifteen years ago, moved

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<v Speaker 3>to the DC area working at town Hall.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there ever since. I'm still there.

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<v Speaker 3>Started appearing probably around two thousand and nine on Fox

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<v Speaker 3>and some other networks as well. They hired me on

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<v Speaker 3>air here at Fox on the TV side as a

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<v Speaker 3>contributor in twenty thirteen, so I've been here about twelve

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<v Speaker 3>years now. As a as an on air contributor, and

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<v Speaker 3>the radio show started with a co host, sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a right left type thing for a year back in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eighteen. My co host then left the network for

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<v Speaker 3>a while, so it became the Guy Benson Show in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen. And here we are chugging along and growing,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're grateful to have the platform and always grateful

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<v Speaker 3>to chat with folks like you.

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<v Speaker 2>A great station in Denver, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You have Denver roots as well, so you're no stranger

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<v Speaker 1>to Colorado. Even though you're coming out this weekend, you

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<v Speaker 1>already know what to expect. I can't even sell you

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<v Speaker 1>on how fabulous it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I mean so, my in laws are in Denver,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I've spent a lot of time in Colorado

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<v Speaker 3>through the years. Even before I got into that relationship

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<v Speaker 3>years ago, I'd been to Colorado multiple times, but now have,

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<v Speaker 3>of course as a very special place in my heart.

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<v Speaker 3>And as you alluded to, I'll be going back out

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<v Speaker 3>there later this week to a truly beautiful part of

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<v Speaker 3>the state where I've actually never been. I've been to

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<v Speaker 3>so many of these incredible resort towns right years, but

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<v Speaker 3>I've not been to Beaver Creek. So I'm over the

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<v Speaker 3>moon for that, and I know, setting aside some of

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<v Speaker 3>the issues that I certainly have with Colorado's politics, it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to argue with its topography and so many of

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<v Speaker 3>its people. And to be invited by a great group

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<v Speaker 3>like the Steamboat Institute to a beautiful, gorgeous, jaw dropping

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<v Speaker 3>place like Beaver Creek, that's an easy yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you made a good choice because not only is

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<v Speaker 1>Beaver Creek gorgeous where this event is held, the Steamboat

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<v Speaker 1>Institute's Freedom Conference. I usually go. I had a little

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<v Speaker 1>surgery and I wasn't sure if I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be as recovered as I am right now, so I

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<v Speaker 1>am not going this year. It is the best nerd

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<v Speaker 1>event west of the missis, hands down, no better event

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<v Speaker 1>for nerds ever. But they just do a spectacular job

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<v Speaker 1>bringing people like you in and bringing people Michelle Tavoy

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be there, Chris Wright's going to be there,

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<v Speaker 1>the Energy Secretary. They just line up this this all

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<v Speaker 1>star lineup, and people sit around and talk about nerdy

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like freedom and free markets and things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your nerdy topic? Which panel are you on?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, I think one of the keynotes

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<v Speaker 3>is being delivered this year by one of my colleagues,

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<v Speaker 3>Rtt Bayer here at Fast News, who has Zelensky on

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<v Speaker 3>the show today on a special report. I'll be on

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<v Speaker 3>a special report tonight reacting on the panel, So looking

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<v Speaker 3>forward to seeing Brett out there in the Rocky Mountains.

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<v Speaker 3>My particular topic is I'll be on a panel with

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<v Speaker 3>a really great media panel talking about the crisis I

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<v Speaker 3>think of American media and gotten to this point, and

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<v Speaker 3>a question of like.

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<v Speaker 2>Can it be improved, can it be fixed? Is it dead?

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<v Speaker 3>Where do we go from here about the so called

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<v Speaker 3>news media. So there will be a lot to unpack,

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<v Speaker 3>as you might imagine, we'll have an hour to do,

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<v Speaker 3>so that won't be nearly enough time, but we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to take a good bite at that topic in that conversation,

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<v Speaker 3>and as you pointed out, such a great room. I've

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<v Speaker 3>actually been to this conference with Steamboat before, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>been I think about a decade. Yeah, they had us

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<v Speaker 3>out I wrote a book ten years ago with Mary

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<v Speaker 3>Catherine Ham, my best friend, and they had us out

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<v Speaker 3>there very generously at the time, and we did an

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<v Speaker 3>event or two with them.

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<v Speaker 2>But since then it's just been either you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Cross wires or schedules didn't work out, and they always

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<v Speaker 3>are inviting so many great people. I was just so

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<v Speaker 3>delighted to be back on the radar this year and

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<v Speaker 3>heading back out there this week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Friday panel. I know that you are going.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to tell you, I talked to my listeners

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<v Speaker 1>about this. If it's you know, for the whole weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The tickets are four hundred and ninety five bucks. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to also get your lodging stuff like that, but

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<v Speaker 1>for that money, for four hundred and ninety five bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>to get access to the people that you have access

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<v Speaker 1>to for guys, panel, I want to touch on that

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<v Speaker 1>for just a second. Guy, because I talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, you would think that in a competing

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<v Speaker 1>media format like talk radio or in your case, like radio,

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<v Speaker 1>or like television, we would want to see the demise

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<v Speaker 1>of newspapers and you know, news organizations that have just

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<v Speaker 1>been really destructive over the last few years. But I

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<v Speaker 1>am in the exact opposite camp. I think we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to fix this. I don't think you can just let

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<v Speaker 1>it go down to citizen journalists who who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>may do a great job about some stuff, but they

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<v Speaker 1>now to have the same kind of access. What are

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on the state of media overall and do

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<v Speaker 1>you think it needs to be fixed?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, it certainly needs fixing, because it's deeply,

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<v Speaker 3>possibly irreparably broken. But part of the question is do

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<v Speaker 3>they want to be fixed? Do they want fixing? And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure if they do. I think a healthy

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<v Speaker 3>country and an informed public relies on good, credible, truth

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<v Speaker 3>seeking journalism without fear or favor. The problem is there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of fear and a lot of favor from

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<v Speaker 3>the people who purport to.

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<v Speaker 2>Have neither of those things going on. Right. They purport

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<v Speaker 2>to be these middle of the road, we're just.

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<v Speaker 3>Here to tell you the truth, and they say all

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<v Speaker 3>these wonderful things, and they've got all the slogans and

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<v Speaker 3>they're very self congratulatory, and then they very often are

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<v Speaker 3>just a bunch of biased hacks.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's almost putting it kindly.

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<v Speaker 3>And when they do it over and over again and

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<v Speaker 3>it gets to a point of like institutional corruption and

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<v Speaker 3>raw and the public doesn't trust them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just conservatives.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you look at media credibilities absolutely deservedly in

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<v Speaker 3>the toilet. But at some point, of course, there's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a whole ecosystem of other options that crop

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<v Speaker 3>up as a replacement or at least another alternative, because

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<v Speaker 3>people don't trust the legacy media. And yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually important to have these vibrant newsrooms and news

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<v Speaker 3>organizations with resources and training and ethics.

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<v Speaker 2>To go and do the job.

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<v Speaker 3>It just seems like a lot of the people doing

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<v Speaker 3>in narratives and agenda fulfillment than doing.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual job. So they've kind of forfeited trust.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they don't seem to want to fix things,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, even as there's you know, the collapse in

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<v Speaker 3>of people getting laid off and all that stuff, they

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<v Speaker 3>don't or they can't course correct because they're so invested

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<v Speaker 3>in their partisanship, in their ideology, and because I think

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot of cases, you know, if they as

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<v Speaker 3>rush limbo us to say commit of journalism that go

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<v Speaker 3>against what their audience wants to hear, you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>risk running a foul of their audience or their bosses,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's just kind of a bunch of competing narratives. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm all for opinion journalism and a whole multiplicity of options.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is good, but you need some referees

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<v Speaker 3>to try to keep, you know, keep the truth front

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<v Speaker 3>and center. And I think the refs mostly play for

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<v Speaker 3>one team, and they can deny it, but it's obvious,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they have a real problem on their heads.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to tell you when they started writing books

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<v Speaker 1>about Joe Biden's decline, and in my mind when I'm watching,

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<v Speaker 1>I refuse to buy the books. I'm not gonna line

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<v Speaker 1>in the pockets of people that I feel we're complicit

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<v Speaker 1>with the entire cover up. There has been no apology

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<v Speaker 1>like I would love to see major media figures saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, not only did we do this badly,

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<v Speaker 1>we realize now why we did it badly and it

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<v Speaker 1>was our own bias. Can you that kind of announcement,

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<v Speaker 1>apology whatever, in terms of restoring some sense of some

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<v Speaker 1>semblance of trust, at least in the baby steps, because

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<v Speaker 1>they would show some seriousness about the issue. That lack

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<v Speaker 1>of seriousness where Jake Tapper sitting around going my god,

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<v Speaker 1>they fooled us all And I'm like, no, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>fool any of us over here. They just fooled you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>because you wanted to be fooled, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And they probably weren't even fooled.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they were just going with because the goal was

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<v Speaker 3>to win the election, and they failed at that. And

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<v Speaker 3>now the truth can suddenly be told. Now it can

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<v Speaker 3>be told. Some of them have apologized to some extent.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been some soul searching, at least sort of a

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<v Speaker 3>facsimile of soul searching, and some degree of apology. That's fine,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, some admission of this is fine

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<v Speaker 3>to me. It's pretty meaningless and empty if they do

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing again, correct, And of course it won't

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<v Speaker 3>be about Joe Biden's sanility because Joe Biden is no

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<v Speaker 3>longer relevant and so you know, he doesn't really matter

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<v Speaker 3>to them and he's disposable, right, so once he was gone,

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<v Speaker 3>then they could tell the truth. It's more of high

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<v Speaker 3>stakes political fights. Are they willing next time to tell

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<v Speaker 3>truths that are very unpleasant and detrimental to their own side,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's the Democratic Party or the left or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it is, And are they willing to do that consistently,

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<v Speaker 3>or are they going to go right back to their

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<v Speaker 3>battle stations and all their bad impulses and just do

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<v Speaker 3>the version of the thing all over again, in which

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<v Speaker 3>case sort of being like, golly gee, we got it

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<v Speaker 3>wrong and we're so sorry. That will amount to nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, guy, I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>If you watched Marco Ruby on the Sunday Shows yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what they did, right. They came in knives

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<v Speaker 1>of blazing, ready to do anything to make this process

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<v Speaker 1>seem like something it clearly wasn't. And I thought to myself, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they really haven't learned anything. I would love that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dogged determined this if it was on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the aisle. Unfortunately it's just on one side of

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<v Speaker 1>the aisle. Guy, I'm excited for you to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the Freedom Conference this weekend. It is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be another just incredible, incredible event. I'm jealous

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<v Speaker 1>always when I can't make it, and this year, as

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I just was unable to make. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to pull up the list of speakers very very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>To your point, Brett, there, your colleague is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be there, Michelle Tafoya is going to be there. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>Guy Benson right there at the top. You got top

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<v Speaker 1>billing there and so many other people that are just

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<v Speaker 1>going to be super smart and you will leave there

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys go to this. And I think they

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<v Speaker 1>still have tickets available. I know that the Hyatt is

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<v Speaker 1>sold out, so you're gonna have to find other accommodations.

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<v Speaker 1>But this makes me smarter. Every single time I go,

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<v Speaker 1>except for the panel, they always give me the goofy panel,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're like, hey, do you want to work with

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<v Speaker 1>the guy with the puppet this?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course I don't want any heavy lifting at this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But now you're gonna have a blast. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>everybody to go check it out at some point, And

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<v Speaker 1>why not this year when Guy Benson is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's very kind of you to say, and I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if there's if there are any tickets left,

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<v Speaker 3>there's not many. Yeah, I know they're expecting a really

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<v Speaker 3>good crowd. I know it's a significant investment, but it's worthwhile.

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<v Speaker 3>A great lineup. I'm honored to be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Always a great group of people, smart, thoughtful, fun, beautiful, place, What's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to love exactly, and then it ends with a

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<v Speaker 1>Coyote gold margarita party. So really, there's nothing, nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with the entire weekend. Guy, I really appreciate you making

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<v Speaker 1>time for me today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you bet, thanks many thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that is Guy Benson.

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<v Speaker 2>You can hear his radio show.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see his townhall work at townhall dot com.