Speaker 1: That's bank and enter it now.
Speaker 2: Bill Cunningham, the Great America. Welcome this Friday afternoon in
Speaker 2: the tri State. In about thirty minutes, Steve Raley will
Speaker 2: be here to talk about the weather coming in. We
Speaker 2: might have seventy five mile per our wins, which is
Speaker 2: almost hurricane forces later today. I'm going to keep you
Speaker 2: informed about that, plus to fall out from Pete Rosenmore.
Speaker 2: And of course, the Reds play the Battle of Ohio
Speaker 2: with the Cleveland Guardians starting about six forty tonight, which
Speaker 2: means first which means we begin the coverage of five
Speaker 2: point forty. But until then, until then, we have Connie
Speaker 2: Pillage joining us. There was a bombshell announcement yesterday in
Speaker 2: front of the county commissioners who are changing the legal
Speaker 2: team that's been representing in a sense him in the
Speaker 2: county for about twenty five years or so. And Connie
Speaker 2: Pillach Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Connie,
Speaker 2: can you first tell the American people what your announcement
Speaker 2: was yesterday and where did this things go from here?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thanks for having me, Willie.
Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Yesterday I did make a recommendation to the County Commissioners
Speaker 3: that we make a big change in our negotiating team
Speaker 3: against the Bengals, and instead of retaining the guy who's
Speaker 3: been there for I think it's twenty nine years now,
Speaker 3: I wanted to move into a bold new direction because
Speaker 3: I think the county needs to step up and have
Speaker 3: some good negotiating cards in their hands. So I recommended
Speaker 3: that as as you know, i'm their lawyer as prosecutor,
Speaker 3: I'm the lawyer of the Bank of the County commission.
Speaker 3: But I recommended that we move into move Dinsmore, which
Speaker 3: is a local law firm. It's been it's got deep
Speaker 3: community roots. It was founded here in nineteen oh eight,
Speaker 3: so for more than a century. It's well known for
Speaker 3: its high level of professionalism and accountability, and it will
Speaker 3: bring a fresh set of eyes and negotiating chops to
Speaker 3: the legal team. So I recommended that the Bengals do that.
Speaker 3: Pardon me, Gosh, William, I think it's tornadoes.
Speaker 5: Are right, tornadoes, but it's it's the county.
Speaker 3: It will help the county a lot to have a
Speaker 3: very strong negotiating and legal team going forward with the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Now, for those listening, prosecutors, in Ohio anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think the same thing with Kenton County. They have
Speaker 2: criminal responsibility. You have criminal felony responsibility, and also you
Speaker 2: have civil responsibilities, which mean you serve as the attorney
Speaker 2: in this case, for the for the elected officials in
Speaker 2: this case Hambliny County commissioners. Did you consult with them
Speaker 2: before you made this decision as your client or not?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely. First of all, it's the commissioner's decision. I make recommendations.
Speaker 3: But I started meeting with them. Of course, I have
Speaker 3: to meet one on one too, so I could talk
Speaker 3: about legal issues with them, and I started doing that
Speaker 3: in early January, and I got to tell you, I
Speaker 3: heard a lot of frustration from them about the negotiation
Speaker 3: progress or lack thereof.
Speaker 4: Against with the Bengals, I.
Speaker 3: Heard a lot of concerns about communications issues, a lack
Speaker 3: of clarity on what was happening, and lack of focus
Speaker 3: on the desired results that the commission wanted to achieve.
Speaker 3: And so after having some of these conversations, I started
Speaker 3: to work with my team here in the office, because
Speaker 3: you know, I have one hundred and twenty lawyers here.
Speaker 3: I worked with my civil lawyers to try to figure
Speaker 3: out what we could do to make this better so
Speaker 3: that the commission would feel like they had some ability
Speaker 3: to try to get the best deal for the taxpayers.
Speaker 2: As far as far as the new team, I've known
Speaker 2: George Vincent for most of my life and he's one
Speaker 2: of the partners there. And for those who may not know,
Speaker 2: he was a chairman of the Republican Party in Hamlety
Speaker 2: County for many years.
Speaker 5: But this is a nonpartisan matter.
Speaker 2: So as far as the commissioners told you, they expressed
Speaker 2: may use the term dissatisfaction of the direction the negotiations
Speaker 2: we're going. And now we're about six weeks from the
Speaker 2: conclusion and the Bengals have issued a press release that
Speaker 2: I have in front of me from yesterday expressing dissatisfaction
Speaker 2: with the other aspect of this is is engaging this
Speaker 2: other firm in order to Inner Sports Circle? Shall I
Speaker 2: say to remain the lead negotiator and explain the differential
Speaker 2: between Dinsmore on one hand and Inner Circle Sports on
Speaker 2: the other. What are the activities and functions of each
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm happy to do that, and I am
Speaker 3: very happy that George Vinson is on this Dinsmore team.
Speaker 3: He certainly got a lot of connections and a lot
Speaker 3: of smarts were really excited to work.
Speaker 4: With him and the other members of the team.
Speaker 3: So Inner Circle Sports, actually I looked into the background.
Speaker 3: The County did start discussions with them back in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two as they were starting to figure out how
Speaker 3: they would approach the looming lease deadline, and in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three they did a little bit more refined discussions.
Speaker 3: I signed the final contract with Inner Circle Sports in
Speaker 3: January of this year, So for the Bengals to come
Speaker 3: out and start complaining months later is a little disingenuous
Speaker 3: to me. And they have no absolutely no business telling
Speaker 3: us who we can have on our negotiating team. I
Speaker 3: would never tell them who they can have on theirs.
Speaker 4: And it's just not appropriate. Look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, one thing the Bengals have said in their
Speaker 2: press release that this Inner Circle Sports, and by the
Speaker 2: way each party selects their own lawyers, it'd be great
Speaker 2: to have for you to pick the lawyers for the
Speaker 2: Bengals or vice versa.
Speaker 5: That's not the way it works. But the Bengals are
Speaker 5: saying that the.
Speaker 2: Inner Circle Sports group is connected to the Browns and
Speaker 2: that somehow being connected to the Browns is wrong because
Speaker 2: they'll be serving two masters.
Speaker 5: How would you respond to that press release?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the Bengals may have been misled into
Speaker 3: with their their so called research. There was one member
Speaker 3: of Inner Circle Sports that did do some work or
Speaker 3: may continue to do some work with the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 3: but he left Inner Circle Sports, so there's there's no
Speaker 3: conflict there. And the man that we're working with, David Abrams,
Speaker 3: has not done any work with the Cleveland Browns. So
Speaker 3: but I do appreciate the Bengals trying to look out
Speaker 3: for the for us in their own way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, David Abrams has as I understand it. I
Speaker 2: I read a pressure release that Abrons and this other
Speaker 2: group also works for like two or three other NFL
Speaker 2: cities enfranchises, and it tends to look as if the
Speaker 2: goal is to have the Bengals pay at least fifty
Speaker 2: percent of the freight, which might be up to eight
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars. And by saying that we're
Speaker 2: unhappy with who the county is picking to negotiate with us,
Speaker 2: that seems to me saying we're going to extend the
Speaker 2: least two years because this abrupt change six weeks before
Speaker 2: the culmination of the lease is too close to become familiar.
Speaker 5: Is this deployed by the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Do you think to stretch this out another two years
Speaker 2: which keeps the county on the hook for these improvements
Speaker 2: under the old lease.
Speaker 3: Well, look, the county is absolutely intent on getting a deal.
Speaker 3: We want a win win resolution, so everybody's happy.
Speaker 4: And let's think about this.
Speaker 3: These contracts when they're written, they've got hundreds of different terms.
Speaker 4: It's like, what David Abrams'.
Speaker 3: Skill is is that he's a nationally recognized expert in
Speaker 3: negotiating with municipalities and cities as well as with the
Speaker 3: NFL and other sports teams. That's why we chose to
Speaker 3: bring him on three and a half months ago. So
Speaker 3: it's not a new thing. But here's what the commission wants.
Speaker 3: They really basically want three things. They want a long
Speaker 3: term market rate lease. They want a diverse funding stack,
Speaker 3: and that means contributions from the county and the state,
Speaker 3: the team and the NFL. And three, they want more
Speaker 3: community benefits, so basically community access.
Speaker 4: To the stadium.
Speaker 3: And frankly, let me tell you this, Willie Commissioner Alisha
Speaker 3: Reze has been asking for that for a long time,
Speaker 3: and she is not wrong.
Speaker 2: Do you have a sense when I had on Denis's
Speaker 2: Streehouse and they were saying, we're working together, it looks great.
Speaker 2: About two weeks ago, we had a document that came
Speaker 2: out that said, if we have a lease, the Bangal
Speaker 2: was going to pay two thirds of one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty million, in the county was going to pay one third.
Speaker 2: I had a sense doing this that the things are
Speaker 2: in the right way, The other things were moving in
Speaker 2: the right direction, and then this bombshell hit yesterday. Do
Speaker 2: you have a sense that the negotiations at this point
Speaker 2: are not in a good place to renew the lease
Speaker 2: in six weeks?
Speaker 4: I know I don't.
Speaker 3: I think we're in an excellent place because by taking
Speaker 3: this step forward, bringing in a Backerjack legal team, continuing
Speaker 3: to use the lead negotiator that we've been using for
Speaker 3: several months now to come up with that little memorandum
Speaker 3: of understanding a couple of weeks ago. Look, I think
Speaker 3: this just tells the Bengals and the county and the
Speaker 3: taxpayers that we are very serious about getting a win
Speaker 3: win resolution.
Speaker 2: You're saying you don't want the Bengals to pick your representatives.
Speaker 1: You went the county negotiator.
Speaker 4: We have one too.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 2: They've done very well, by the way, Mike Brown can
Speaker 2: take down the Irs and tax Court for God's sakes,
Speaker 2: and so yes, I mean they're pretty good at this.
Speaker 2: So at this point, Tom Gableman, I've met him a
Speaker 2: couple of times.
Speaker 5: Nice guy. What would you say about the representation of
Speaker 5: Tom Gableman.
Speaker 3: I really can't say much about it other than from
Speaker 3: my conversations with my clients at the County Commission. They
Speaker 3: were ready for a change. And sometimes of change is
Speaker 3: like a holiday and it's just a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 3: You get a lot of new energy and excitement. Mister
Speaker 3: Gableman did pledge to make sure the transition was smooth
Speaker 3: and complete, and I appreciate.
Speaker 4: Him for that.
Speaker 2: What wasn't he paid like twenty six million dollars or
Speaker 2: some amount of money about a million? Explain the financial
Speaker 2: resources given to Tom Gableman.
Speaker 3: I did get a print out from the county yesterday
Speaker 3: that just had It was very vague, but it did
Speaker 3: have a summary of what he'd been paid each year,
Speaker 3: and it did total twenty six million for.
Speaker 4: The last twenty nine years. So I think he made
Speaker 4: a lot of.
Speaker 3: Money off the taxpayers and it's time to change change
Speaker 3: our our arrangement.
Speaker 2: And you know, Tom's not happy about this. I haven't
Speaker 2: spoken to him, but I imagine he's not pleased with
Speaker 2: this decision of the county commissioners.
Speaker 3: I got the impression that he's not. I met him
Speaker 3: for the first time yesterday. He was waiting for me
Speaker 3: in the lobby of the County Administration building. But look,
Speaker 3: I've called him multiple times before I took office, and
Speaker 3: he never called back, never tried, never sent an email.
Speaker 4: As far as I can tell.
Speaker 2: Was that a frigid meeting in the lobby outside after
Speaker 2: he was fired?
Speaker 5: Was that somewhat frigid?
Speaker 3: No, I met him before, well, I met him before
Speaker 3: the meeting, but we had given him a heads up
Speaker 3: phone call that this was going on.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 2: So at this point as we sit here this Friday afternoon,
Speaker 2: at this point, there's a new negotiating team that is
Speaker 2: a George Vincent Dinsmore and you hired a couple months ago.
Speaker 2: This other group, Inner Circle Sports, that have negotiated six
Speaker 2: other deals in which the NFL slashed the team paid
Speaker 2: about fifty percent of the whole deal, and you look
Speaker 2: forward to a deal being completed, hopefully in six weeks.
Speaker 2: But if it's extended by two years by the Bengals,
Speaker 2: which is they're right, that wouldn't surprise you.
Speaker 4: It'd be fine.
Speaker 3: I know these things take time, and certainly they're stinging
Speaker 3: for some reason.
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure why.
Speaker 3: We're just changing our legal team, and we have every
Speaker 3: right to do that. But again, I know the county
Speaker 3: is one percent in favor of getting a deal at
Speaker 3: the earliest opportunity.
Speaker 2: In county pillage. That Bengals do not pick your representatives.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right, Willie.
Speaker 2: Now, lastly, since this other issue up this is about
Speaker 2: the killing of Ryan Hinton, this is completely unrelated. Put
Speaker 2: on your county criminal hat instead of your civil hat.
Speaker 2: The county corner. Last me, some Marco was going to
Speaker 2: hold a news conference today. We were going to cover
Speaker 2: about I guess the results of the autopsy. I would
Speaker 2: think of Ryan Hinton and maybe Larry Henderson. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that the dead police officer and you issued a
Speaker 2: grand jury subpoena. Can you explain what's happening in that case?
Speaker 3: Well, as is typical in cases like this when they're
Speaker 3: the case coming up, the grand jury will subpoena all
Speaker 3: kinds of things. A subpoena the surveillance video in the area,
Speaker 3: a subpoena the black box from the car, the so
Speaker 3: called black box from the vehicle. They'll subpoena born cam,
Speaker 3: and they'll subpoena the results of toxicology and autoxies. This
Speaker 3: is pretty basic stuff going forward. And I know that
Speaker 3: the community is hoping that we do very thorough and
Speaker 3: accountable job on this case.
Speaker 2: And you told me a month or two ago on
Speaker 2: another police shooting, that it's up to the county prosecutor
Speaker 2: or criminally to submit or not to submit to the
Speaker 2: grand jury all the evidence. In order to submit it
Speaker 2: to the grand jury, you must believe that there's a
Speaker 2: viable case here of maybe police misconduct or not. This
Speaker 2: is a very high profile case. It was one of
Speaker 2: the stories national news. Are you going to make a
Speaker 2: decision before you give it to the grand jury whether
Speaker 2: to indict or not the police officer involved, SINCINNTI Police
Speaker 2: or if the evidence comes out a certain way, may
Speaker 2: you not submit the case at all?
Speaker 5: Of the grand jury.
Speaker 3: It's just too early to say. I haven't seen enough
Speaker 3: information yet. And I know people are eager. We always
Speaker 3: want everything immediately, especially in twenty twenty five. But sometimes
Speaker 3: you got to let the police department do their job.
Speaker 4: And do their investigations.
Speaker 3: And as you know that there'll be a homicide investigation,
Speaker 3: and they also have their oh, their internal investigations, and
Speaker 3: the citizens investigation. There will be three investigations going on
Speaker 3: at any given time. I got to let them do
Speaker 3: their job before I make a decision.
Speaker 2: Have you seen any information to date that the Cincinnati
Speaker 2: police officer should be criminally charged with anything?
Speaker 4: No, I have not yet.
Speaker 2: All right, Connie Pillage, thank you very much, and this
Speaker 2: is interesting. We hope the Bengals lease works out. I
Speaker 2: hope that Joe Burrow leads the team to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I hope there's a long term lease. I hope the money,
Speaker 2: diverse funding mechanisms, community benefits.
Speaker 5: I want it all there, we all do.
Speaker 2: And I know Denise Treehouse has said to me she's
Speaker 2: not going to submit it to the taxpayers ahead of time,
Speaker 2: but she doesn't have to, and so we hope this
Speaker 2: deal works out. And once again, Connie Pillage, thanks for
Speaker 2: coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Connie, my pleasure,
Speaker 2: God God bless you. Let's continue with more. There you
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Speaker 2: But for first of all, the Reds have changed the
Speaker 2: start of tonight tonight's game from six to five to ten.
Speaker 2: Is the first pitches at five ten. Our coverage starts
Speaker 2: at four to ten. So if you're coming to the
Speaker 2: Battle of Ohio tonight, first pitches at five ten, and
Speaker 2: uh we begin coverage at four to ten? Is that
Speaker 2: correct to Davis? Is that the right?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: So once again, first pitch five ten. Coverage starts at
Speaker 2: four to ten. Steve Raley, Welcome once again to the
Speaker 2: Bill Cunningham Show. So you're causing the Reds to change
Speaker 2: five aout an hour and a half the first pitch tonight.
Speaker 2: How you're responsible for this?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 2: Tell the American people, is Zach Brown's gonna go nuts
Speaker 2: at TQL Battle of Ohio? Change the start of the
Speaker 2: game tonight. Give us a full report on the weather.
Speaker 12: Well, my good friend Mother Nature once again letting us down.
Speaker 12: That's really the bottom line. It does look like that
Speaker 12: around the five six o'clock hour we could start to
Speaker 12: see some showers and storms in the area. I think
Speaker 12: it'll be closer to maybe eight o'clock when we see
Speaker 12: it around the metro. Regardless, we're going to see some
Speaker 12: pretty powerful storms tonight. We are in a moderate risk
Speaker 12: that is category four out of five, and it's about
Speaker 12: as high as you can go. We rarely see a
Speaker 12: five out of five. So you get the significance of
Speaker 12: what the Storm Prediction Center thinks about our chances about
Speaker 12: severe weather tonight.
Speaker 2: So as far as moving the start tonight's game with
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Guardians, that's a good idea.
Speaker 12: Yeah, no, no question, about it. The earlier they can start,
Speaker 12: the better. My guess is they're doing this so that
Speaker 12: you know, you're looking at about what a three hour
Speaker 12: game or something along those lines. You might just be
Speaker 12: able to sneak it in downtown. So the problem is
Speaker 12: is there's still going to be thunderstorms around and lightning.
Speaker 12: And the difficulty with a moderate risk Bill is the
Speaker 12: fact that everything is elevated, meaning, yeah, sure we're going
Speaker 12: to see some severe storms, but instead of these sixty
Speaker 12: mile an hour gus, we could likely see seventy seventy.
Speaker 7: Five mile an hour gus. God forbid.
Speaker 12: But if we see a tornado, there's a higher chance
Speaker 12: in some parts of the Try State, which is pretty
Speaker 12: much everybody, of seeing a stronger tornado instead of the
Speaker 12: ef zeros or ones. We're talking about the possibility of
Speaker 12: seeing any two or greater, right, So it's a real yeah.
Speaker 2: And right now there's nothing on the radar. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at Channel nine. There's little or nothing on the radar. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 7: It's going to develop as we go through the day.
Speaker 12: As soon as we start to see some of this
Speaker 12: cloud cover in some areas break, and that'll be shortly,
Speaker 12: we'll start to see the temperatures rise quickly, and it's
Speaker 12: going to set the stage for a cold front later tonight.
Speaker 12: What happens is is that cold front, the cold air
Speaker 12: undercuts the warm air and shoves it like northward in
Speaker 12: other words, or into the atmosphere, and that's what will
Speaker 12: create these strong storms. In the last couple of days,
Speaker 12: we had something called a cap on the atmosphere. It's
Speaker 12: a warm layer sitting at about five seven thousand feet
Speaker 12: and it stops thunderstorms from happening.
Speaker 7: We don't have that today, So.
Speaker 12: As a result, when that cold front comes in, thunderstorms
Speaker 12: are going to pop quickly.
Speaker 2: And as far as a seventy five mob prior win,
Speaker 2: isn't that like a category one hurricane?
Speaker 7: Well not really.
Speaker 12: There's a difference in that hurricane at seventy four is
Speaker 12: classified as a category one. But that's a continuous wind.
Speaker 12: These are gusts measured at three second intervals.
Speaker 7: But let's not be foolish.
Speaker 12: A seventy five mile an hour wind takes your patio
Speaker 12: furniture and throws it over the patio or anything else
Speaker 12: when it hits even for three seconds.
Speaker 2: Is there any chance of this occurring when schools let out.
Speaker 2: There's some schools still going on, like at three o'clock.
Speaker 2: Should skilled administrators be concerned about this?
Speaker 7: I don't think so.
Speaker 12: It doesn't look like that's going to happen at that
Speaker 12: time frame because the reason why these storms is I mentioned,
Speaker 12: will happen because of the coal front, and that's going
Speaker 12: to be coming in later.
Speaker 2: All right, So as far as the hail, I see,
Speaker 2: you're also predicting hal of one one to two inch
Speaker 2: hal the size of maybe a paddle ball.
Speaker 5: Explain that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the reality is is because these storms are so
Speaker 12: tall into the atmosphere, we call it coalescing. In other words,
Speaker 12: as the hail forms and it bounces around, there's a
Speaker 12: greater updraft, a greater down draft, and you just have
Speaker 12: like a well, best way to describe it is like
Speaker 12: a treadmill one that would like to have a gerbil
Speaker 12: on it. In other words, it just goes round and
Speaker 12: round and round and finally drops. But because these storms
Speaker 12: are so large and so high in the atmosphere, they
Speaker 12: have a longer time to form, and we get bigger
Speaker 12: hail pieces falling out of the clouds.
Speaker 5: So you're saying all hell is about to break loose.
Speaker 5: What are the odds?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, weather types like you are right maybe
Speaker 2: fifty to eighty percent of the time. It's a great job.
Speaker 2: If I'm wrong one time, all hell breaks loose. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: is this on a level of one to ten? How
Speaker 2: certain is this going to happen?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 5: Is it like one five to nine? How certain?
Speaker 7: Well, let's put it this way.
Speaker 12: The world leaders in severe storms are located in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 12: World leaders, mind you, these are the brightest, smartest meteorologists
Speaker 12: on the planet, and placed us in that category four
Speaker 12: out of five. So if I cut down your one
Speaker 12: out of ten to one to five, we're in a
Speaker 12: moderate risk four out of five. And the world experts
Speaker 12: are saying so, and certainly I wouldn't disagree from what
Speaker 12: I've seen and have looked at. Even this morning, I
Speaker 12: was just about to put out a video on my
Speaker 12: Facebook page talking about the forecast in the same way
Speaker 12: that we're talking right now. In my confidence that there's
Speaker 12: going to be severe weather tonight, hopefully, hopefully it's not
Speaker 12: going to be a major outbreak.
Speaker 2: You know, a couple of friends of mine, Jeff Beckham
Speaker 2: and Wayne Carucci, and the transportation trucking business they're always
Speaker 2: concerned when they hear seventy five mile peror gust of
Speaker 2: wins that would take over a tractor trailer.
Speaker 7: Correct, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 12: In fact, it's funny because I was going to post
Speaker 12: an infographic from the National Weather Service that shows that
Speaker 12: very thing. If you're out on the road, stay away
Speaker 12: from those tractor trailers because if these wins hit, then yeah,
Speaker 12: they go over.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll see bat down the hatches, big news.
Speaker 2: The Reds first pitch tonight is five to ten, which
Speaker 2: is an hour and a half earlier. So if you're
Speaker 2: coming to the Cleveland Guardians game with the Reds, its
Speaker 2: first pitch is five to ten. Cover starts at four
Speaker 2: to ten. Hopefully by eight o'clock the game's over and
Speaker 2: all hell doesn't break loose. And once again, Steve Rawley
Speaker 2: of the Power of Nine, thanks for coming on the
Speaker 2: Bill Cunningham Show. Thanks Steve, always glad to be here. Bill,
Speaker 2: God bless America. Let's continue with more. There you go. Well,
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. And weather men are wrong quite
Speaker 2: often and right every now and then, And this time
Speaker 2: he says, four out of five, that's eighty percent chance
Speaker 2: of these terrible circumstances. So we're going to see exactly
Speaker 2: what's going on now. Secondly, after one o'clock today, I
Speaker 2: have Rob Sanders coming on to talk about a similar
Speaker 2: situation that happened with Ryan Hinton, and this is the
Speaker 2: Amazon shooting. In that case, the Amazon shooter purported shooter
Speaker 2: was having a gun to his head. And Rob Sanders
Speaker 2: was picked by the Kenton Attorney General's office in order
Speaker 2: to be a special prosecutor out of Boone County. Of
Speaker 2: course Robinson, Kenton County, and I'm gonna post him the
Speaker 2: big question, and that is that if in it turns
Speaker 2: out that the Cincinnati police officer misperceived the gun being
Speaker 2: pointed at him and those maybe two seconds that he
Speaker 2: had to assess everything, does that mean he committed a
Speaker 2: criminal act? As you may know tomorrow, Ryan Hinton, the
Speaker 2: eighteen year old boy who was involved in the car,
Speaker 2: theF business and possession of guns, etc. Was running parallel
Speaker 2: to the police officer according to the video in which
Speaker 2: the officer had to make a split second decision to
Speaker 2: say yay or nay. And right now there's murder charge
Speaker 2: is pending against Rodney Hinton Junior, who's the thirty eight
Speaker 2: year old father and to go online. The Inquire has
Speaker 2: done a pretty good story on this today. David Ferrara
Speaker 2: and Dan Horne has been online quite often on the
Speaker 2: Hinting cases. And it appears that the father who murdered
Speaker 2: in cold blood deputy sheriff Larry Henderson is being praised
Speaker 2: for killing this police officer with signs that say one down,
Speaker 2: many to go. And so I can't imagine a hotter
Speaker 2: potato to fall into the lap of Connie Pillach than
Speaker 2: this case right now. And he's charged with killing a
Speaker 2: sheriff's deputy in retaliation for the police shooting of his son,
Speaker 2: Ryan Hinton, eighteen years old, and the NAACP and other
Speaker 2: community leaders have called his actions unjustified and tragic. Referring
Speaker 2: to the father, prosecutor said he committed an horrific crime
Speaker 2: and deserved the death penalty for what he did. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, in a sense, legally, that Larry Henderson murder
Speaker 2: is unrelated legally to the shooting of Ryan Hinton. However,
Speaker 2: in our minds they forever it will be related because
Speaker 2: in the sick mind of the father, Rodney Hinton, this
Speaker 2: was in retaliation for what the police did to his son.
Speaker 2: He went out looking for a cop to kill, and
Speaker 2: a young woman wrote a song about him with forty
Speaker 2: likes on TikTok, the likes being about Ryan Hinton, who
Speaker 2: is the UH, who's the decedent? Shall we say there's
Speaker 2: a fundraiser I won't give out the website that's provided
Speaker 2: about forty four thousand dollars to the UH, to the
Speaker 2: defense fund of Rodney Hinton, the father t shirts Free Rodney,
Speaker 2: We stand with Rodney, et cetera. So I'm gonna ask
Speaker 2: Rob Sanders, who's been at this business all of his life,
Speaker 2: about do you have to wait until an assailant in
Speaker 2: possession of a nine millimeter with an extended mag You
Speaker 2: have to wait until that person points the gun at
Speaker 2: you or fires it before you can respond. And I
Speaker 2: think I know there is I think I know Rob
Speaker 2: Sanders's answer. The answer is no, don't have to wait,
Speaker 2: because it takes a quarter of a second for a
Speaker 2: gun to go from the side of the hip into
Speaker 2: a firing position. And the UH and the mag and
Speaker 2: the chamber there was a there was a bullet in
Speaker 2: the chamber, there's around in the chamber. Plus he had
Speaker 2: the ability to fire about twenty to twenty two shots,
Speaker 2: and when law enforcement officials often disagree with community activists
Speaker 2: about how police involved shooting are investigated. Maybe Connie Pillag
Speaker 2: I think she kind of just said, is going to
Speaker 2: submit this to a grand jury.
Speaker 5: Prosecutor does not have to do that.
Speaker 2: If the prosecutor believes firmly believes that this probable cause
Speaker 2: the crime was committed and the defendant committed at this
Speaker 2: being the police officer, she's under duty to submit it, however,
Speaker 2: to a grand jury, which is generally a panel of
Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty citizens who formally indict. On the other hand,
Speaker 2: if she feels there's not a firm belief that this
Speaker 2: police officer who killed Ron Hinton committed a criminal offense,
Speaker 2: she's not required to do so. J McDonald, president of
Speaker 2: the Ohios FOP, said these fundraising efforts are outrageous to
Speaker 2: finance off the assassination of a law enforcement official, and
Speaker 2: UNDUAACP president David Whitehead and Rodney Hinton's actions are indefensible.
Speaker 2: So the NAACP is saying that Rodney Hinton's actions are indefensible, Well,
Speaker 2: I think everyone agrees with that.
Speaker 5: He's the father that killed Larry.
Speaker 2: However, the other issue is, are we going to have
Speaker 2: a circumstance or a sense Sinnati police officer in uniform
Speaker 2: pulled out his service weapon having heard gun gun, gun,
Speaker 2: and he shot and killed Ryan Hinton because he rightfully
Speaker 2: perceived a threat to himself into others. And if a
Speaker 2: grand jury and Hamlet County indicts at Cincinnati confer in
Speaker 2: this circumstance, all hell is going to break loose within
Speaker 2: the law enforcement community. So we'll see what happens. And uh,
Speaker 2: Ryan Hinton tomorrow is going to be buried, and we'll
Speaker 2: see what occurs. And I'm not aware of the NAACP
Speaker 2: coming out discussing whether or not Ryan Hinton's behavior caused
Speaker 2: his own death. I think you and I, if we
Speaker 2: were on the jury, we know exactly what we would say,
Speaker 2: most of us anyway, And we'll see what happens. We
Speaker 2: also have percolating out there the Bengals lease and the
Speaker 2: County Pillage has said essentially just at the end of
Speaker 2: the process, which is six weeks before completion of the lease,
Speaker 2: that the county commissioners who were her client, kind of
Speaker 2: encouraged her because under the leadership of the county Commissioners.
Speaker 2: Then each Treehouse Stephanie Dumas and Alisha Reese to find
Speaker 2: someone else working for the county. I've had Tom Gable
Speaker 2: on years ago. I met him two or three times.
Speaker 2: Appears to be a nice guy. Him and his outfit
Speaker 2: charges about a million dollars a year for legal services.
Speaker 2: And although the happy talk is always there, it is
Speaker 2: somewhat unusual, shall we say, to at the end of
Speaker 2: a process to fire the attorney, and that it's also
Speaker 2: unusual for the other party to complain to the county
Speaker 2: commissioners that you're hiring your wrong lawyer. The wrong group's
Speaker 2: coming in. We don't want that group. Well, the Bengals
Speaker 2: don't get to pick who represents the county, and the
Speaker 2: county doesn't get to pick who represents the Bengals. Hopefully
Speaker 2: these things, shall we say at arm's length. In this
Speaker 2: one group, which is headed up by Inner Circle Sports,
Speaker 2: is extremely well respected. They've negotiated at least six other
Speaker 2: business deals between the state, the city, the county and
Speaker 2: the team in the NFL. Now their job is to
Speaker 2: negotiate the deal. And then you have the Dinsmore and Schule,
Speaker 2: represented by a fine bunch of attorneys, wonderful lawyers including
Speaker 2: George Vincent and Alex trunt Tefilu are going to legally
Speaker 2: make sure that the deal itself doesn't have too many
Speaker 2: loopholes in it. So one part of it is all right,
Speaker 2: talk to the state, talk to the county, talk to
Speaker 2: the city, talk to the Bengals, talk to the NFL,
Speaker 2: that these are the parameters, are like a four hundred
Speaker 2: page document. Then the lawyers get involved to put the
Speaker 2: intent in the legal ease. Maybe that's the best way
Speaker 2: to say it. I know at this point that Tom Gableman,
Speaker 2: who's been involved in this process I think for over
Speaker 2: a quarter of a century from the good, the bad,
Speaker 2: and the ugly, is unhappy being kicked off at the
Speaker 2: end of the deal. The Bengals press release indicates they're
Speaker 2: not happy. So, as I said to County Pillach, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine in the next what forty two days, that
Speaker 2: these various entities, whether it's whether it's the lawyers or
Speaker 2: whether it's the inner circle or kind of get together
Speaker 2: and get it all done in the next forty two
Speaker 2: days when we come to thirty years in this circumstance.
Speaker 2: But I guess it's possible and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: And one thing I would note that when I've had
Speaker 2: on the county commissioners other than Alisia Reese, Denise Treehouse
Speaker 2: says things are going famously. Things are going well. We
Speaker 2: got this deal that's in coit, which means doesn't spring
Speaker 2: to life yet, of one hundred and eighty million to
Speaker 2: do immediate upgrades starting in February, and the Bengals are
Speaker 2: going to pay two thirds for going to pay one third.
Speaker 2: That's contingent on getting a lease, which doesn't appear very
Speaker 2: close at this point. And so if that's put off
Speaker 2: to the side and the Bengals pull the trigger and say, okay,
Speaker 2: we want to extend the lease for two more years,
Speaker 2: it puts the county in a bad position because the
Speaker 2: lease is in favor of the Bengals in the NFL,
Speaker 2: not in favor of the taxpayer. And so Denise Treehouse
Speaker 2: repeatedly said, well, we don't want to operate anymore under.
Speaker 5: The old lease.
Speaker 2: But the Bengals have the right, whether you like it
Speaker 2: or not, to maintain the present lease. They have five
Speaker 2: two year extensions, so the Bengals can push the taxpayers
Speaker 2: in Hamlet County up against the wall for the next
Speaker 2: ten years if they so deduce, if they elect to
Speaker 2: do so, and keep fighting with the Bengals for the
Speaker 2: next decade, and if that happens, uh, I would can
Speaker 2: anyone can you predict the twist and turns of this one?
Speaker 12: Man?
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 2: So let's continue with more after one o'clock today we'll
Speaker 2: be Rob Sanders on police shootings, things of that character
Speaker 2: and more. Plus we have coming up terrible storms. You
Speaker 2: just heard Steve Raley, and say it again, because it's
Speaker 2: quite unusual for the Reds to change the start of
Speaker 2: a game five hours before it's set to begin. But
Speaker 2: the first pitch tonight, it's gonna be five to ten,
Speaker 2: not six forty five to ten Eastern time.
Speaker 5: Tonight.
Speaker 2: Our coverage starts at four to ten with the Rock
Speaker 2: and Eddie Eddie Fingers, by the way, is a living
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Speaker 2: Billy cunning in the Grant Americans joining you and I
Speaker 2: now this like Prosecutor's Day and this Friday afternoon where
Speaker 2: terrible weather is coming.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have more in that later on.
Speaker 2: But Rob Sanders, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show,
Speaker 2: and there was a special council situation and then the
Speaker 2: Amazon shooting. Can you kind of relate to the American
Speaker 2: people what you went through when at the Amazon facility
Speaker 2: the police shot and killed someone that's clearly was having
Speaker 2: mental difficulties. Explained the process you went through in your decision.
Speaker 13: Well, Willie, I was appointed to this case as special
Speaker 13: prosecutor to review the Boone County Sheriff's Office officer involved
Speaker 13: use deadly force because the Boone County common with Attorney
Speaker 13: my good friend Lewis Kelly, had a conflict of interest
Speaker 13: in the case, so he has the Attorney General to
Speaker 13: take it over in the Attorney General appointed me a
Speaker 13: special prosecutor. That's how it came to be involved in
Speaker 13: the first place. But what the investigation revealed was that
Speaker 13: on April twenty ninth, a twenty twenty five Boone County's
Speaker 13: nine to one to one center got a call from
Speaker 13: a fellow that owns a trucking company who said, one
Speaker 13: of our trailers has just gotten stolen from a truck
Speaker 13: stop in Indiana, and they relate that somebody had pulled
Speaker 13: up in their own semi tractor hooked up to this
Speaker 13: trailer and just driven off with the trailer that didn't
Speaker 13: belong to him. But what the thief did not know
Speaker 13: is that that trailer was equipped with GPS monitoring. So
Speaker 13: the truck company was able to call Boone County's dispatch
Speaker 13: and give him precise locations of where the truck was,
Speaker 13: where it was headed, and what it was passing, so
Speaker 13: on and so forth, And they kept a lit relaying
Speaker 13: that information until Florence Police officers were able to perform
Speaker 13: a traffic stop on a vehicle. They got the driver
Speaker 13: out of the vehicle. That driver when they went to
Speaker 13: cuff him just to detain him. They weren't ready to
Speaker 13: arrest him yet, but they were going to put him
Speaker 13: in handcuffs so they could detain him while they investigated
Speaker 13: this stolen trailer. And as soon as they went to
Speaker 13: put the handcuffs on, he took off running, And as
Speaker 13: he was running from the Florence police, he produced a
Speaker 13: handgun from his waistband, and after a short footchase where
Speaker 13: they caught up to him, he put the handgun to
Speaker 13: his own head and proceeded to continue to walk away
Speaker 13: from officers. Now several other officers from both Florence Police
Speaker 13: and Boom County Sheriff's Office responded. This fella, who was
Speaker 13: later identified as Michael Simpson, who I believe most recently
Speaker 13: resided in Indiana, but has prior residences in both Kentucky
Speaker 13: and Ohio. He kept walking from officers with the gun
Speaker 13: to his head, threatening to shoot himself, asking the officers
Speaker 13: to shoot him. Obviously, in a very bad situation and
Speaker 13: a very untenable situation for both him and the officers,
Speaker 13: tried to carjack a few passing motorists on Industrial Road.
Speaker 6: In Boone County.
Speaker 13: Fortunately he was unsuccessful in that, but eventually he walked
Speaker 13: himself into the back corner of the Amazon facility out there,
Speaker 13: which has a very tall fence around it, and he
Speaker 13: got cornered by the officers. Had no place to go,
Speaker 13: and after a several minutes standoff where officers repeatedly told
Speaker 13: him to put the gun down talk to him, he
Speaker 13: eventually started walking towards the officers, and when he started
Speaker 13: closing the distance between himself and the officers, the officers
Speaker 13: had no choice really but to open fire on him
Speaker 13: and neutralize the threat. Because it only takes as you
Speaker 13: and I have discussed in the past, It only takes
Speaker 13: about a quarter of a second for somebody to move
Speaker 13: a firearm from their side to pointing at officers, and
Speaker 13: it takes a bullet about a tenth of a second
Speaker 13: to cover the twenty five yards or so that this
Speaker 13: suspect was away from the officers. They really don't have
Speaker 13: a choice. They can't retreat. They can't just let this
Speaker 13: guy walk away to go carjack another person, or go
Speaker 13: in the Amazon facility and take hostages or anything like that.
Speaker 13: So they can't retreat. Asking police officers to get in
Speaker 13: a fistfight with somebody that's got a gun in their
Speaker 13: hand is totally ridiculous and not a viable option either.
Speaker 13: So the only option after that is to neutralize the
Speaker 13: threat and fire a shot. Bon County Sheriffs Deputies Shinkle
Speaker 13: and Walker fired four total shots, striking mister Simpson four times,
Speaker 13: and he was unfortunately deceased shortly thereafter, despite life saving
Speaker 13: attempts by both officers on the scene and emergency medical
Speaker 13: personnel that call were called in just a couple of
Speaker 13: minutes later.
Speaker 2: Now, Rob Sanders, this maybe relevant to what's happening in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: which is whether the barrel of the gun was pointed
Speaker 2: at a cop when the cop shot the future deceding too.
Speaker 2: Was there evidence in this case that the future dead
Speaker 2: guy actually actually pointed the gun?
Speaker 5: Is that required?
Speaker 6: Well, no, it's not required, Willy.
Speaker 13: That the notion that police, you know, this concept of
Speaker 13: like do not fire until fired upon. That's something that
Speaker 13: we see and hear about in top Gun. But that
Speaker 13: is not something that we deal with in the law enforcement.
Speaker 13: It's not the state of the law in Kentucky or
Speaker 13: any other state. As far as I know, anyone who
Speaker 13: poses a credible threat to an officer's life can be met,
Speaker 13: especially when they're armed with weapon, can be met with
Speaker 13: deadly force in order to save the officer's life and
Speaker 13: the life of their fellow officers, as well as the
Speaker 13: number of Been County citizens that were in that area,
Speaker 13: all the Amazon employees, all the passing motors whose lives
Speaker 13: were also in danger from an armed carjacker. It's not
Speaker 13: entirely clear on the bodycam video, Willie, whether he ever
Speaker 13: pointed the gun in officers because of the distance between
Speaker 13: himself and the officers, but we know that he did
Speaker 13: try and carjack at least two passing motorists. There's only
Speaker 13: one reason to have a gun, though, especially when you're
Speaker 13: surrounded by officers telling you to drop it. The only
Speaker 13: reason to have a gun in your hand is if
Speaker 13: you intend to use it. And when he started approaching
Speaker 13: the officers, even though he was pointing the gun at himself,
Speaker 13: he still posed a threat to those officers. So this
Speaker 13: notion the gun barrel has to be aimed at the officers.
Speaker 13: Quite frankly, if the officer waits until the gun barrel
Speaker 13: is pointed at them, they've waited too long because they
Speaker 13: may not get the opportunity to save their own life.
Speaker 13: If that barrel is already pointed at the officer, then
Speaker 13: the officer has about a tenth of a second before
Speaker 13: they can be struck with a bullet, And it takes
Speaker 13: the zero point two to five seconds or a fourth
Speaker 13: of a second, in order to decide to pull the
Speaker 13: trigger in to actually respond and pull the trigger. Obviously,
Speaker 13: a quarter of a second is very fast, but it's
Speaker 13: not as fast as moving bullets. So I don't know
Speaker 13: where this debate came from, or this notion that the
Speaker 13: gun barrel has to be pointed at the cop before
Speaker 13: the cops life is in danger. That is, first of
Speaker 13: all not factually true. And second of all, that's not
Speaker 13: the state of the law. There is nothing in the
Speaker 13: wall that says officers have to have a gun barrel
Speaker 13: pointed at them before they can defend their own lives.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's to remain in the Hinton case. And
Speaker 2: Ryan Hinton, eighteen year old boy is going to be
Speaker 2: buried tomorrow, and certain activist saying that the videotape of
Speaker 2: Ryan Hinton running with a gun in his hand doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to show him pointing the gun at the Cincinnati
Speaker 2: police officer at the moment he fired four shots killing
Speaker 2: Ryan Hinton.
Speaker 5: It's being called an execution.
Speaker 2: One sign of the courthouse today says one down, many
Speaker 2: to go. And the argument, I guess in a general
Speaker 2: way as well, he wasn't pointing the gun. He left
Speaker 2: the car with the gun in his hand, He took
Speaker 2: three steps, fell, the gun left his possession, He picked
Speaker 2: up the gun, continued to run between two dumpsters, and
Speaker 2: then as he exits the two dumpsters, the cop is
Speaker 2: and the other cops yelling gun, gun, gun, which means
Speaker 2: it's on. That's it, it's on. And then the argument's
Speaker 2: going to be, well, young Ryan Hinton who had carjacked,
Speaker 2: committed numerous felonies in possession of a firearm under the
Speaker 2: age of twenty one in Ohio, which is illegal. He
Speaker 2: had a criminal record, couldn't have a gun, and just
Speaker 2: tole in a car. I guess out of Edgeward. We
Speaker 2: talked about that earlier, about a week or two ago.
Speaker 2: There may be Kentucky charges filed on that incident relative
Speaker 2: to the three that lived. But the argument is, well,
Speaker 2: why not just let him go? Why not just let
Speaker 2: him he was ten yards from the woods. Just let
Speaker 2: him run into the woods and don't shoot him. Just
Speaker 2: in an academic sense, how would you respond to that?
Speaker 6: Well, Willy, there's a lot to unpackage there.
Speaker 13: But first of all, what Ryan Hinton's father did in
Speaker 13: attacking a random police officer is if anything, is only
Speaker 13: going to make officers faster to pull the trigger because
Speaker 13: they never know out of nowhere somebody can just come
Speaker 13: into their space and kill them for no reason whatsoever.
Speaker 13: It was not justified that Hamilton Kunty, sheriff's deputy, had
Speaker 13: nothing to do with his son's death. He was just
Speaker 13: out there directing traffic for the UC graduation, and here
Speaker 13: he is attacked and killed his payback for something he
Speaker 13: had absolutely nothing to do with. So officers will be
Speaker 13: even faster on to go to the trigger now that
Speaker 13: they have to consider anybody approaching them is the risk
Speaker 13: of their life. But nevertheless, it's still a very similar
Speaker 13: situation that why would he have picked up that gun
Speaker 13: knowing that the police were there. He was already running
Speaker 13: from the police at the time he tripped and fell
Speaker 13: and dropped the gun. There's no reason to go and
Speaker 13: retrieve that gun knowing you were being chased by the police,
Speaker 13: nless you intend to use it. So that officer, when
Speaker 13: he saw this young man come from between the dumpster,
Speaker 13: had about a quarter of a second to respond, and
Speaker 13: Ryan Hinton appears to have changed directions in that quarter
Speaker 13: of a second. But very similar to the Boone coun case,
Speaker 13: at the time the officer would have made the decision
Speaker 13: that he needed to shoot his gun. That suspect was
Speaker 13: closing the distance between suspect and officer, giving the officer
Speaker 13: even less time to respond. So I don't see these
Speaker 13: cases all that differently. But nevertheless, the Hinton case is
Speaker 13: not my case. That's in the hands of the Hamilton
Speaker 13: County prosecutor to decide but I don't see that that
Speaker 13: if it had been in my jurisdiction, I can't imagine
Speaker 13: that I would be pursuing charges. Nevertheless, as we heard
Speaker 13: on WLW earlier today, apparently a grand jury investigations on
Speaker 13: point which I can't understand. And that's fine. Let the
Speaker 13: grand jury investigation run its course. But at the end
Speaker 13: of the day, people just need to know that long
Speaker 13: Horseman is a very dangerous, imperfect business. But we pay
Speaker 13: these brave men and women to go into situations and
Speaker 13: deal with criminals so that we don't have to because
Speaker 13: it's not safe. And we can't ask them to do
Speaker 13: that for the meager salaries that they make, especially, but
Speaker 13: we can't ask them to do it period without giving
Speaker 13: them the opportunity to defend their lives and the lives
Speaker 13: of their fellow officers. So anybody out there that's inclined
Speaker 13: to carry a gun, which I'm not condemning people carrying guns, Billy,
Speaker 13: I carry a gun every day, but when a police
Speaker 13: officer tells me to stop or drop my gun, you
Speaker 13: can bet that's what I'm going to do, because if
Speaker 13: I don't, there's a real good chance that I get
Speaker 13: shot that that police officer is going to shoot me,
Speaker 13: And everybody out there needs to know that if you're
Speaker 13: going to carry a firearm.
Speaker 6: That's your right, that's your choice. That's fine.
Speaker 13: But if you don't listen to police officers giving you
Speaker 13: a lawful command to stop and drop your gun, there
Speaker 13: is a very good chance that that is going to.
Speaker 6: Be the end of your life.
Speaker 2: The other issue is this a little bit inside baseball.
Speaker 2: There's no requirement or duty that account prosecutor has to
Speaker 2: submit to the grand jury any criminal case. So explain
Speaker 2: if Connie Pilach makes a decision in a few weeks
Speaker 2: to submit it or not submit it. In your case,
Speaker 2: you did not submit it the Amazon shooting. Tell the
Speaker 2: American people the duty of a prosecutor to submit a
Speaker 2: case to the grand jury or not submitted.
Speaker 13: Well, first of all, Willie prosecutors have an ethical duty
Speaker 13: in every case, not just police shooting cases, but in
Speaker 13: every case to not pursue criminal charges.
Speaker 6: Against any defendant in any.
Speaker 13: Case where the prosecutor does not believe that there is
Speaker 13: probable cause.
Speaker 6: That an offense has been committed.
Speaker 13: So if it's no different for police officers who are
Speaker 13: suspects than it is for you, me or any other
Speaker 13: average citizen. You have, Tony Bender, Rocky Boytman, any of
Speaker 13: these guys, that if we believe there's no probable cause
Speaker 13: the crime has been committed, we have an ethical duty
Speaker 13: not to pursue the charges. Thus, in cases where I
Speaker 13: believe there is not probable cause to be to believe
Speaker 13: an offense has been committed, to go ahead and present
Speaker 13: the case to the grand jury would be in violation
Speaker 13: of my ethics as a prosecutor. Now that doesn't mean
Speaker 13: that every case that goes in front of a grand
Speaker 13: jury has to be indicted, And all it has to
Speaker 13: mean is that the prosecutor believes there is at least
Speaker 13: probable cause, which is a much lower standard than proof
Speaker 13: beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 6: But there is at least probable cause.
Speaker 13: That an offense has been committed and there is something
Speaker 13: there that the grand jury can ethically consider charging. Now
Speaker 13: that doesn't necessarily mean that just because an investigation is
Speaker 13: open in front of the grand jury, that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 13: mean the case will be presented.
Speaker 6: Because prosecutors can use the grand juries to.
Speaker 13: Investigate to do just that, to gather evidence, to subpoena witnesses,
Speaker 13: to subpoena, physical evidence records, whatever the prosecutor needs in
Speaker 13: order to further the investigation. It just so happens that
Speaker 13: in a lot of these police officer involves shooting cases,
Speaker 13: it's all captured on body camera video.
Speaker 6: Or dastard video.
Speaker 13: They usually going to the videotape answers most of your questions,
Speaker 13: if not all your questions.
Speaker 2: Well, on the Amazon shooting that you just reviewed on
Speaker 2: behalf of the state of Kentucky, the future decedent did
Speaker 2: not point a gun, but it would have taken a
Speaker 2: split second. He didn't have the gun to a as
Speaker 2: a happy moment. He wanted to kill himself or kill
Speaker 2: a cop, and same thing in the hint in case,
Speaker 2: it would take very little time to go from you know,
Speaker 2: from having the gun in one direction to having gun
Speaker 2: in the other direction.
Speaker 13: It would willie and it is when he moves closer
Speaker 13: and closer to those police officers, he was giving them
Speaker 13: less time to react, less time to make a decision.
Speaker 13: And if he were allowed to continue towards them and
Speaker 13: a few more steps, they would be literally face to
Speaker 13: face nose and at that point there's pertually no time
Speaker 13: to make a decision. So you can't expect police officers
Speaker 13: to fistfight somebody that has a gun.
Speaker 6: In the hands. No, you.
Speaker 13: I don't want to live in a world where it
Speaker 13: is not acceptable for police officers to defend their own
Speaker 13: lives from armed suspects that are refusing officers lawful commands,
Speaker 13: that are refusing to cooperate, not getting on the ground,
Speaker 13: not stopping, not dropping their gun, not doing anything they're told.
Speaker 13: That's obviously someone who is trying to provoke a confrontation
Speaker 13: I suspect, And in counter case, the suspect was suicidal.
Speaker 13: He just didn't have the backbone to pull the trigger
Speaker 13: himself and end his own life, right, But he had
Speaker 13: to do in that situation by walking towards those officers,
Speaker 13: exactly what he was asking those officers to do, and.
Speaker 6: That was take his own life for him.
Speaker 13: And I think he got exactly what he desired out
Speaker 13: of those police officers. Unfortunately, it's his two officers that
Speaker 13: now have to live the rest of their lives knowing
Speaker 13: that they took a man's life, and hopefully that doesn't
Speaker 13: cause them mental health issues or anguish or anything like
Speaker 13: that of their own that that was something somebody else
Speaker 13: forced them to do. But it's just not that simple
Speaker 13: all the time, Willy. When it comes to mental health.
Speaker 2: Well, if Connie Pillage semitsus came how many kind of
Speaker 2: grand jury and there's our runaway jury and they indict
Speaker 2: the police officer from the City of Cincinnati, Charmaine McGuffey,
Speaker 2: the Sheriff's Department, Cincinnati Police, all the suburban departments would
Speaker 2: be in rebellion because if that's the standard that I
Speaker 2: have to wait to get shot or wait till he
Speaker 2: fires a shot and missus before I can, before I
Speaker 2: can take down an armed suspect, the police in this
Speaker 2: community are gonna have a conniption fit. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: it's going to be ugly. So I hope, in a
Speaker 2: sense common Pelly's that does not submit.
Speaker 6: We have a lot of applications in Kentucky.
Speaker 13: If that's what happens, you know, we're already having trouble
Speaker 13: filling all of our open positions in law enforcement in
Speaker 13: Northern Kentucky as it is.
Speaker 6: So I guess we'll see.
Speaker 13: But I certainly wouldn't want to work in a jurisdiction
Speaker 13: where I can't defend my own life. But we know
Speaker 13: in Northern Kentucky that's not the case, so I you know,
Speaker 13: hopefully time will tell, hopefully doesn't come to that, but
Speaker 13: I suspect if that happens, we will see an increase
Speaker 13: in applications from Ohio officers in Kentucky police departments.
Speaker 2: I pray to God that Cincinnati cop is not indicted
Speaker 2: and charged, and I hope in a sense, his name
Speaker 2: is never released because of the difficulties for the rest
Speaker 2: of his life for having taken someone's life whose behavior
Speaker 2: calls it to occur. Once again, Rob Sanders, thanks for
Speaker 2: coming in and relating to the American people what's happening,
Speaker 2: and you continue to have a great weekend.
Speaker 9: Rob.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
Speaker 13: Willie, thanks for having me on. And I just need
Speaker 13: to give one quick shout out Willie. I've been doing
Speaker 13: this radio show with you for many, many years now
Speaker 13: and never have I mentioned where my child goes to school.
Speaker 13: But my daughter is graduating from the Summit Country Day
Speaker 13: School this week. I can finally say that on the
Speaker 13: air because it's no longer a safety threat for anybody
Speaker 13: to know where she's going to school. But just wanted
Speaker 13: to say loud and proud that grace of your dad's
Speaker 13: proud of you, and congratulations to everybody at the Summer
Speaker 13: Country Day School and their graduation and especially the men's
Speaker 13: and women's state championship soccer teams. A big year for
Speaker 13: the Summer Country Day School. But congratulations to all the scene.
Speaker 2: Tell your daughter hard work pays off. And Rob Sanders
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Ron, Thanks Willie. Have a great weekend.
Speaker 5: Let's continue.
Speaker 2: And uh, I'm getting no indication at County Pelich will
Speaker 2: submit the case of the grand jury. I'm getting an
Speaker 2: indication she might, but this duty not to submit it
Speaker 2: unless you firmly believe that the person you want to
Speaker 2: be indicted committed a criminal offense. So if the Cincinnati cop,
Speaker 2: if he's indicted for shooting Ryan Hinton, I think all
Speaker 2: hell is going to break loose with law enforcement. Bill
Speaker 2: Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WLW. We have the ship
Speaker 2: Billy Cunningham, the Great America, and of course with a
Speaker 2: segment and we sell it.
Speaker 14: It's for severe weather this afternoon. Main impacts will be
Speaker 14: damaging wins. Have you rain and can't rule out the
Speaker 14: possibility of seeing some hell?
Speaker 5: Hello quiet, I'm broadcasting. Did she say the possibility of hell.
Speaker 5: That's not good. How do we have a sounder for that?
Speaker 5: Lucifer in his prime? I don't know.
Speaker 2: We got hal how about category one hurricane force wins?
Speaker 2: Got one to two inch hail? How about torrential downpours?
Speaker 2: How about flooding?
Speaker 6: That enough?
Speaker 5: Is that enough for you?
Speaker 7: Segment?
Speaker 5: There's Hilary's laughing. Imagine if she was she was the president.
Speaker 5: That's our hell sounder. That's hell. When hell's showing up,
Speaker 5: that's that's what there we go see. You put her
Speaker 5: and Kamala Harris together. How about Kamala's cackle in the
Speaker 5: Middle East? How would that play?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Do you think she's gonna go to cut her and
Speaker 5: get seven point four billion dollars in business? Yeah? Do
Speaker 5: you think she Do you think they give her a
Speaker 5: free plane? No? No? Do you think Celenskin Putin would say, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit. We're still fight listening to her? God,
Speaker 5: do you think she's gonna go, hey, you guys, don't
Speaker 5: stop the war?
Speaker 7: Every week?
Speaker 5: Israel gonna listen to her? No?
Speaker 2: Thank everyone that voted for her should walk up to
Speaker 2: the American flag and seek forgiveness for the political crimes
Speaker 2: you've made in voting for that woman to be the president.
Speaker 5: Tackling Comala on the head Hunter, Willy the Stooja Porto
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Speaker 5: Red's updates spot. Thank you Roxy, the Reds and Guardians Willie. Tonight,
Speaker 5: they moved the game up due to tonight's weather forecast.
Speaker 5: Game time is now five to ten. Write that down,
Speaker 5: segment five to ten instead of six forty. Write that down,
Speaker 5: So game time is now five to ten, four to
Speaker 5: ten with the Arnel Carriers inside Pitch and Lance and
Speaker 5: then the Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Inning show after the game
Speaker 5: with the Chickster. What about that segment? Now I got
Speaker 5: the injury updates? Oh no, TJ Friedel hit by a
Speaker 5: pitch Tuesday, All choked up about hit by a pitch
Speaker 5: Tuesday that he collided with a La Cruz the outfield
Speaker 5: got a bone bruis. He may be ready for tonight,
Speaker 5: how we look it. Remember Christian and Canasio on strand
Speaker 5: with lower back inflammation. I'll believe it when I see
Speaker 5: it on the il. Since April seventeenth, a month he's
Speaker 5: been working out at the Reds Complex in Arizona. Oh,
Speaker 5: thank god, thank god, wouldn't they take a couple of
Speaker 5: domes pills and he's okay. Rehet Louder it's going to
Speaker 5: start a rehab assignments starting tonight at Triple A Louisville.
Speaker 5: On his way back. They won't play tonight either, Louisville.
Speaker 5: It's going to be worse than here. Jake the snake
Speaker 5: Freeley on the il with left calf tenderness? What does
Speaker 5: that mean? On May tenth? Got it hurt? A cow
Speaker 5: that's unhappy. MRI reveals internal bleeding and the calf muscle
Speaker 5: may return in late May or early June.
Speaker 15: If you were to ask that age old question, how
Speaker 15: we look it?
Speaker 5: Not good? NCAA softball just underway in the Knoxville Regional
Speaker 5: down there in the volunteer State, the Mini RedHawks and
Speaker 5: Tennessee one at it. Hunter Green's going to miss it,
Speaker 5: maybe at least one more. Start with his injury. How
Speaker 5: do you get to the groin? You got a bad
Speaker 5: groin that's not happening. You know, a loose groin is
Speaker 5: a happy growing Oh, they showed pictures everything.
Speaker 7: The other day.
Speaker 5: He was walking his dog at Great American Ballpark, ross Man,
Speaker 5: did he show us his groin? Kentucky Girls State Lacrosse
Speaker 5: quarter Finals tomorrow morning at eleven am Oldham County against
Speaker 5: Notre Dame Academy Ye n DA PGA Tour Update, second round.
Speaker 5: Here we go. Jonathan Vegas, Johnny Vegas ten under through thirteen.
Speaker 5: He can't win. Matthew Pavaughan out of France, never heard him.
Speaker 5: And Michael Thorp Bjornson, never heard of him? And Max
Speaker 5: Homer what about Timers six under? Tiger's at home worried
Speaker 5: about his back and legs and everything else. Max Homa
Speaker 5: sixty four to a six birdies in an eagle. You
Speaker 5: related to Tish Hoolman or Frank Homan?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 5: All right, Scottie Scheffler just underway with Ted mckaye two?
Speaker 5: Is he hurt? Roy McElroy has got some work done.
Speaker 5: He's at three over starting today. How about a bleeding calf.
Speaker 5: Phil Mickelson is out of it eight over par. You
Speaker 5: know he stinks at some kind of these major events.
Speaker 5: Not good.
Speaker 2: Police find human remains near Taylor Swift's home. No boy,
Speaker 2: look at at got human remains? How about the boss,
Speaker 2: Bruce Springs. Well, what would Scott Springer say about the
Speaker 2: boss crapping all over this country in England giving a
Speaker 2: speech about America to an English audience.
Speaker 5: Bruce Springsteen is yeah, I'm done with him. Don't let
Speaker 5: him back. In MLS soccer, Willie is at that. The
Speaker 5: lady from the weather department said, hell is real at
Speaker 5: least tomorrow night as FC Cincinnati at Columbus Crew. Well,
Speaker 5: the way the weather is perfect tomorrow six thirty on
Speaker 5: ESPN fifteen thirty. Where will you beat Tonight's segment when
Speaker 5: the storm hits at home? In my basement? College football
Speaker 5: Alabama roll Tide has offered a scholarship to Moler twenty
Speaker 5: twenty six quarterback Matt Ponitowski. Doesn't he play baseball too?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is he going to go play quarterback? Four? Al Alabama's
Speaker 5: coming to town and the Indianapolis five hundred Willie is
Speaker 5: basically a sellout for the since for the first time
Speaker 5: since twenty sixteen, packed house of over three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty thousand a week from the Sunday last nine years,
Speaker 5: it's not sold out, Well, no, it hasn't. Well, they
Speaker 5: went through COVID remember that that was twenty twenty only
Speaker 5: twenty one, so it's they They will sell out for
Speaker 5: the first time since one hundredth vision the edition of
Speaker 5: the race in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: What about the Bristol Motor Speedway for the Reds and
Speaker 2: the Braves.
Speaker 5: They got over six second? Will you beat there?
Speaker 6: They got.
Speaker 5: I don't know. You and I ought to go down
Speaker 5: there some do a show, be big. We got there'd
Speaker 5: be plenty of people to talk to. I think. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: you and I down there. Yeah I handled baseball, you
Speaker 5: handled Nascar?
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 5: Sure they got. They're going to have people there for both,
Speaker 5: for both sports. We're going to sick over sixty thousand
Speaker 5: tickets sold so far.
Speaker 2: Shooting for seventy thousand, because you could have one hundred thousand,
Speaker 2: but you can't see the game.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 2: You have to have a thousand dump trucks bringing dirt
Speaker 2: to the infield right to rise up the field?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 5: Can you explain that to me? They can do it.
Speaker 5: They can if Bristol Motor Speedway should be the site
Speaker 5: of the Olympic Games from now on, both winter and summer.
Speaker 2: Key lifts right segment, Get me out of the student's report, please,
Speaker 2: we have another Pete Rose issue coming up on the
Speaker 2: back the nineteen seventy five baseball be.
Speaker 5: A good looking too. We're looking backs Willie and Ando
Speaker 5: of the Reds and Guardians. Tonight at five ten, write
Speaker 5: that down. Game time change four to ten here on
Speaker 5: the big one, write that down. We leave you with
Speaker 5: the immortal words of the Stude Report. Mars Joe getting
Speaker 5: the phone lighting up already.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've got this feeding so.
Speaker 5: They still play this. There's a dam do they okay?
Speaker 5: Good Tommy, Tommy loves is good. One of the dicks
Speaker 5: Banana calls. Don Don Breen came up with the banana phone.
Speaker 5: I think he used to work at Jaquitah. Why do
Speaker 5: they take it? Take some calls I don't know, don't
Speaker 5: answer me. Talked to Tommy and Jeff call him up,
Speaker 5: punk punk punk, It's no.
Speaker 7: For me.
Speaker 4: I tell you your phone.
Speaker 5: Party loved that too. He loved taking us and you
Speaker 5: talk to calls and away they went. You don't know
Speaker 5: what you know what you're now now now they're listening
Speaker 5: to podcasts. I like the banana phone. I think the fans.
Speaker 5: You want to hear from the fans. Talk to Tommy, talk
Speaker 5: to you, talk to him. I'm gonna talk to him, Brentley,
Speaker 5: talk to you. You controls area exactly. He's the boss.
Speaker 5: I'm calling you call him. Let's continue, all right. News
Speaker 5: Radio seven hundred w LD.
Speaker 2: Briading Life and Times of Pete Rose, the Big Red
Speaker 2: Machine and more. Yesterday was fabulous Pete Rose Day, unbelievable,
Speaker 2: forty some thousand. I wish the Reds had won, of
Speaker 2: course on Wednesday, but that did not happen. Yesterday they
Speaker 2: did win. And by the way, for those listening now,
Speaker 2: the Reds have changed the time of today's game back
Speaker 2: to five to ten first pitch and our coverage starts
Speaker 2: at four to ten until then. But I ran across this,
Speaker 2: and this is this is great stuff. There's a big
Speaker 2: Red Machine, back to back World Series commemorate commemorative thirty
Speaker 2: four inch bat with a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: items on and put together by Nico Sports. It's a
Speaker 2: fabulous opportunity for Reds baseball fans to celebrate the Reds
Speaker 2: and Pete Rose joining you, and I now is bye Ivik.
Speaker 2: He's with that great group, and Bob, first of all,
Speaker 2: tell the American people about this bat and how can
Speaker 2: so many of us get it? It's a limited number.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a collector's item. Explain that to
Speaker 2: the American people.
Speaker 9: Sure, and nice to be with you guys today, and yeah,
Speaker 9: it's great to see you. You know, Peek getting the
Speaker 9: opportunity to be put forth, but you know he was
Speaker 9: part of that Big Red Machine team, and then seventy
Speaker 9: five and of course in seventy six when they repeat it,
Speaker 9: we're doing something. It's very limited only if one thousand,
Speaker 9: nine hundred and seventy five of these full sized, thirty
Speaker 9: four inch Big Red Machine wooden bats are going to
Speaker 9: be made. They're fully licensed by Major League Baseball and
Speaker 9: the Players Association. In a moment, I'll give out a
Speaker 9: toll free number on a website how you can still
Speaker 9: get these. I checked in with not Go Sports and
Speaker 9: they probably have just a couple hundred of these left.
Speaker 9: So when I give out that information, you're gonna want
Speaker 9: to do it real soon. On the barrel of the bat,
Speaker 9: everything is engraved on there. You'll get the nineteen seventy
Speaker 9: five World Series Championship logo along with a really cool
Speaker 9: image of the championship ring won by the players that year.
Speaker 9: And then we have also the seventy six World Series
Speaker 9: Championship when they won back to back with that image,
Speaker 9: that logo, and also a championship ring from what the
Speaker 9: players wore that year. You'll also have on the panel
Speaker 9: which everything I should point out is engraved.
Speaker 6: We'll have a.
Speaker 9: Listing of the Grade eight players, their numbers, positions, and
Speaker 9: also we list the results of both the seventy five
Speaker 9: and the seventy six World Series on a barrel of
Speaker 9: the back. Again, only one, nine hundred and seventy five,
Speaker 9: but these will ever be made. They're all individually numbered.
Speaker 9: We have just a couple hundred left. They're priced at
Speaker 9: one hundred and forty nine dollars in ninety five cents.
Speaker 9: If you order them today, you'll get it before Father's state.
Speaker 9: It's a great father's date gift idea. The toll free
Speaker 9: number to call is one eight hundred three four five
Speaker 9: two eight six eight. That's one eight hund hundred three
Speaker 9: four five twenty eight sixty eight. Or just go right
Speaker 9: to the website. You can see it there. It is
Speaker 9: stunning nicosports dot com. It's spelled nik coosports dot com.
Speaker 9: That's nik coosports dot com. Hurry up and do this, because,
Speaker 9: like I said, We only have a couple hundred of
Speaker 9: these left, and we start out with one than nine
Speaker 9: hundred and seventy five. These will be something you put
Speaker 9: it up in your home office or your your man
Speaker 9: cave or your sheeeshad, whatever.
Speaker 6: You want to call it.
Speaker 9: I guarantee you if people will come in and say, Wow,
Speaker 9: where did you get that baseball back?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at the grade eight and Rose
Speaker 2: Morgan bench, Perez Foster Conceptsion Griffy Geronimo. Uh, there's not
Speaker 2: a better team ever put together. I'll put that team
Speaker 2: up against the twenty seven Yankees against any team the
Speaker 2: three Yankees makes no difference. Great team and this brings
Speaker 2: a segment And doesn't this cause a flood of memories
Speaker 2: to come back to you?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: No doubt about it. Well, because yeah, the thing of
Speaker 5: it is, Bob, that you know, this is a fiftieth
Speaker 5: it's been fifty years since seventy five. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: this is this is a year. I mean it's they
Speaker 5: mentioned that the other night on Pete Rose Knight and
Speaker 5: you're thinking it's been fifty years since they won that
Speaker 5: championship in nineteen seventy five, And I mean that hits
Speaker 5: your right flat in the face that it's fifty years.
Speaker 9: You know, you're so right. You know, I was covering
Speaker 9: the Baltimore Orioles those years at the Baltimore Sun, and
Speaker 9: I always remember Earl Weaver, the manager of the Orils
Speaker 9: back then, telling me the one team that he kept
Speaker 9: an eye on beside Oakland, which was in the American League,
Speaker 9: was Barking Anderson's team. That was the team he feared.
Speaker 5: No question, no doubt. I look at this bat.
Speaker 2: I got a great photo of this bat for a
Speaker 2: Father's Day gift for It's always difficult to buy things
Speaker 2: for your dad, very difficult. Many fathers have everything. What
Speaker 2: they want is time and they want memories and this
Speaker 2: for us or a daughter. Go buy this for dead
Speaker 2: or buy it for yourself. Pass it on to generations unborn.
Speaker 2: It would be a big thing. And once again, Bob,
Speaker 2: give out that phone number. I fear that there's going
Speaker 2: to be hundreds of people calling. It will be none left.
Speaker 1: But now on that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're so right, uh, William Saik I appreciate that
Speaker 9: the toll free number to call again. These are one
Speaker 9: forty nine ninety five each. Everything is individually numbered to
Speaker 9: salute the big Red Machine back to back years when
Speaker 9: they won the titles one eight hundred three four five
Speaker 9: two eight six eight one eight hundred three four five
Speaker 9: twenty eight sixty eight. If you can't get through the
Speaker 9: phone lines, because I know they've been busy, go right
Speaker 9: to nicosports dot com. You spell it nik cosports dot
Speaker 9: com again, that's nik coosports dot com one hundred and
Speaker 9: forty nine dollars and ninety five cents each and you'll
Speaker 9: get a number certificate of all sthticity. This is really
Speaker 9: cool piece of history.
Speaker 2: All right, Bob, thank you eight hundred three four five
Speaker 2: two eight six eight or nikosports dot com if the
Speaker 2: line is busy. Bob, once again, thanks for coming on
Speaker 2: the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 5: And I'm Bob. You're a great American.
Speaker 7: Thank you well, Thank you so much.
Speaker 9: And listen you guys have a wonderful day and a
Speaker 9: better weekend coming up.
Speaker 2: God bless America. Thank you very much, Bob. I let's
Speaker 2: continue with more news next at show with the Reds.
Speaker 2: The game time first pitch tonight is five ten because
Speaker 2: of the weather. All on News Radio seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: Billy Cunningham, the great American, Steve Cortes is the president
Speaker 2: of the League of American Workers and senior political.
Speaker 5: Advisor to Catholic Vote.
Speaker 2: Joining you and I now and once again, Steve Cortes,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 5: Just in a general way.
Speaker 2: They when Leo was selected, I thought it was fabulous,
Speaker 2: But then there's lots of negative stuff coming out, which
Speaker 2: I think is a bunch of bs. Give the guy
Speaker 2: a break. I love the fact he's an American. I
Speaker 2: love the fact he's a White Sox fan, which he
Speaker 2: knows what losing is all about.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: I looked at twenty oh five when the White Sox
Speaker 2: are in the World Series and there's a there's a
Speaker 2: much younger Catholic priest. They just happened to have an
Speaker 2: out q of and that's Leo the fourteenth, And uh,
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable that we have this guy at this point.
Speaker 2: But there's an intersection of Catholic social teaching and economic
Speaker 2: challenges that I hope this pope understands. Tell the American
Speaker 2: people that that juxtaposition.
Speaker 10: You bet, and I'm listen. I'm very confident he does
Speaker 10: understand it. Given his name and his own explanation for
Speaker 10: choosing that name. But yeah, first, let me just tell
Speaker 10: you so, I grew up right near the Pope. Now
Speaker 10: I'm sixteen years younger than him, so we didn't we didn't,
Speaker 10: you know, overlap it all.
Speaker 1: But I was at that same World Series game, the
Speaker 1: Game one in two thousand and five.
Speaker 10: I wasn't on camera, but I was there, unlike the Pope,
Speaker 10: but kind of fun just to think you were in
Speaker 10: the stadium, you know, at this momentous game the Pope,
Speaker 10: with the Pope and he there's also been for a
Speaker 10: lot of people who are from the South Side of Chicago,
Speaker 10: like he and I are. There's a very famous pizza
Speaker 10: place called Aurelios, which I was basically raised on, and
Speaker 10: there he was just recently a year ago, back there visiting,
Speaker 10: and sure enough went to Aurelios, which also speaks highly
Speaker 10: of his taste.
Speaker 1: And his character.
Speaker 10: So but even more importantly than Chicago pizza. When he
Speaker 10: chose namely, at first, of course, I was excited a
Speaker 10: Chicago as a Sicago guy, very excited as an.
Speaker 1: American, A big deal for this country, of course.
Speaker 10: But then when I heard Leo, I said, huh, because
Speaker 10: Lelo thirteenth. Okay, his predecessor by name over a hundred
Speaker 10: years ago, but his precessor by name. I thought, people
Speaker 10: names typically mean something, right, There's often is a lot
Speaker 10: of like for example, picking Pious generally Pious has had
Speaker 10: been very traditional, very conservative, sort of in church terms.
Speaker 1: But picking Leo, I said, I wonder if this is
Speaker 1: a nod.
Speaker 10: To Leela thirteenth and so I started and Rarem Novarum specifically,
Speaker 10: which I believe is really a theological explanation of populist economics.
Speaker 10: So I started writing up this op ed before he
Speaker 10: had even commented on his own name. Sure enough, before
Speaker 10: I submitted it. Thankfully, he clarified that was absolutely why he.
Speaker 1: Chose the name Leo.
Speaker 10: Was Rarem novarum, which means of new things was written
Speaker 10: in the eighteen nineties of papal incyclical and for the
Speaker 10: non Catholics out there, and it cypical, it isn't just
Speaker 10: the pope musing okay, that's something serious and it has
Speaker 10: the power of the papacy. And so for Catholics we
Speaker 10: take that unbelievably seriously. It means real Catholic thinking. They
Speaker 10: don't come out very often because they're.
Speaker 1: Very scholarly, often complex works.
Speaker 10: They're sometimes not that easy to read, quite frankly, because
Speaker 10: they're so intellectual.
Speaker 1: This one is I would encourage people to read. It's
Speaker 1: not that long, and you will see he's talking about
Speaker 1: the industrial revolution at that time and what it means
Speaker 1: for the morality and ethics of economic policy.
Speaker 10: And he does really two things that might appear to
Speaker 10: be intention but I don't think they are. But the
Speaker 10: first is he completely dismisses and rejects socialism, because socialism
Speaker 10: was getting very pervasive across Europe at that point, not
Speaker 10: really yet here, but a little bit. Holy rejects socialism
Speaker 10: for its atheism, for its dehumanizing effect upon people. But
Speaker 10: at the same time he also doesn't want raw commercialism,
Speaker 10: and he thinks that crony capitalism of dismisses workers and
Speaker 10: that elevates only capital in terms of public policy decisions
Speaker 10: and not the success of masses of workers is also wrong,
Speaker 10: and he calls for a very different kind of economic
Speaker 10: theory of distributism and subsidiarity, where decisions are made at
Speaker 10: the lowest levels possible and you avoid a massive concentration
Speaker 10: of economic power. When I read rerem Novarum, it really
Speaker 10: is a churchman to me talking a lot like Donald
Speaker 10: Trump talks about the economy, about a pro worker economy
Speaker 10: that protects workers in every way.
Speaker 1: So that makes me very happy. Listen, the Pope has said.
Speaker 10: Some worries, some things politically for sure for people, like
Speaker 10: being on the right, especially regarding immigration, especially regarding climate.
Speaker 10: But the fact that he chose this name, which is
Speaker 10: so important, and the fact that really his first addresses
Speaker 10: of Pope was to explain why he chose a name
Speaker 10: because of Rere Novar, when he specifically sites that were
Speaker 10: in another industrial revolution, this one being.
Speaker 1: Digital, you know, with AI and automation and so forth.
Speaker 10: It tells me that actually he and the America First
Speaker 10: movement in the United States are way more closely aligned
Speaker 10: than people might think, especially on this key key topic
Speaker 10: of the economy.
Speaker 2: And you know, Steve Cortes, we practicing Roman Catholics. Often
Speaker 2: we're not real happy with Francis, and the media never
Speaker 2: allowed those criticisms to percolate to the top. He came
Speaker 2: out of an orientation out of Argentina that was certainly socialistic.
Speaker 2: There was military pressures in Argentina, and Francis, God bless
Speaker 2: his soul, was not as good on doctrine not as
Speaker 2: good on some of the current issues as we would
Speaker 2: like him to be, and so the media played up
Speaker 2: quite a bit the comments he had a jd Vance
Speaker 2: two or three months ago Cardinal at that point not
Speaker 2: quite the Pope fourteenth said that, but you don't rank
Speaker 2: love for various kinds of individuals. That's in relationship to
Speaker 2: illegal immigration and what jade Vance has said. You don't
Speaker 2: like someone knock on your door, open the door and
Speaker 2: come in into your home without knowing who they are,
Speaker 2: what's their purpose in being there? Are they going to
Speaker 2: cause danger? And did the media overplay? And I also
Speaker 2: watched some of the some of the evening talk shows
Speaker 2: talk about jd Vance killed the Pope not being Francis,
Speaker 2: which is ridiculous. But nonetheless, address yourself to the criticisms
Speaker 2: the Pope gave the JD Vance, who's going to of
Speaker 2: course practicing a Roman Catholic. He went through the process
Speaker 2: of my home parish at Saint Gertrude's and Cincinnati. He
Speaker 2: converted in twenty nineteen. JD Vance did, And of course
Speaker 2: I know him personally. I love that guy. But what
Speaker 2: about the criticisms of the Pope about JD Evans.
Speaker 10: Well, let me just first say so, I spent a
Speaker 10: lot of twenty twenty two in your state working for JD.
Speaker 10: Vance his Senate race, and really got to know the
Speaker 10: state well, the wonderful people and him, and I can
Speaker 10: certainly tell you far away from cameras and microphones, he's
Speaker 10: the most principal man that I have met in politics,
Speaker 10: and a big part of that is his commitment to
Speaker 10: his Catholicism. He really takes it seriously with the zeal
Speaker 10: of a convert, and it's one of the reasons that
Speaker 10: I so admire him.
Speaker 1: Now politically, did he and Francis have differences? Of course?
Speaker 10: I also think it's a It's a real gift regarding
Speaker 10: him seeing Francis. Wasn't that wonderful that he was probably
Speaker 10: one of the last people to see him alive. What
Speaker 10: a gift to America, right that our vice president got
Speaker 10: to go there. So that's the way I see it,
Speaker 10: not that not convoluted rumors and so forth. But regarding
Speaker 10: this the new pot Poblio, Listen, Yes, he was critical,
Speaker 10: publicly critical in some tweets, which I bet he regress
Speaker 10: setting now, who knows about JD.
Speaker 1: Vance?
Speaker 10: But you know, I want to focus on this again,
Speaker 10: the prudential judgment on tactics that belongs in the secular
Speaker 10: realm of elected politicians here in the United States. What
Speaker 10: kind of principles they bring to that, to that agenda,
Speaker 10: and to that that that job, right, that incredible job
Speaker 10: of leadership. Those principles, though, absolutely should flow from your faith,
Speaker 10: from your worldview, and your worldview is formed more than anything,
Speaker 10: if you're a believer in Christianity, is for more than anything,
Speaker 10: by Jesus Christ, the Bible and the teachings of the Church.
Speaker 10: And so you bring those principles then into practice. But
Speaker 10: again the specifics of the practice is not where Pope
Speaker 10: Francis or even Pope Leo belongs.
Speaker 1: Giving advice that should be taken.
Speaker 10: Beyond that of just a person, right, a very smart person,
Speaker 10: to be sure, But he's not then teaching with the
Speaker 10: authority of the church. He gets into those kinds of tactics.
Speaker 10: So will there be disagreements, Yes, you know, I mentioned too.
Speaker 10: Climate and immigration I think are probably where the Vatican
Speaker 10: and the American First Movement are furthest apart. But on
Speaker 10: the economy, right, which is for most people the number
Speaker 10: one issue. Right, most people in the world certainly most
Speaker 10: Americans on that key, key issue.
Speaker 1: I think we're actually totally in alignment.
Speaker 10: Even if we don't use exactly the same terms, we're
Speaker 10: after the same goals. We're guided by the same principles
Speaker 10: that I'm telling you. Where im novam you know which?
Speaker 1: Again, he signed.
Speaker 10: As the reason for his name Popelo fourteenth rerem Novaaram
Speaker 10: is practically a primer for America first economics, even though
Speaker 10: it was.
Speaker 1: Written one hundred and thirty five years ago.
Speaker 2: So he understands the rising tide lifts all boats. The
Speaker 2: way to make money is available to the poor, homelessness,
Speaker 2: the way to take care of hunger. The way to
Speaker 2: handle all these issues is to have any economy that
Speaker 2: supports throws off enough money to provide for the least
Speaker 2: among us, and to have any economy that's almost collapsing.
Speaker 2: I look at the major blue cities and blue states
Speaker 2: in this country. Those economies were almost collapsing because of
Speaker 2: the politics infecting capitalism. But he sees America as a benefit.
Speaker 2: Some have said, why isn't he come here quickly? I
Speaker 2: don't think you'll be here for three to five years.
Speaker 2: He can't be perceived as being an American sadly because
Speaker 2: in Europe, which is very socialistic, that they were a
Speaker 2: little bit antagonistic at this point. A couple issues on
Speaker 2: your website, Well, one is dealing with about the attacks
Speaker 2: on Catholic churches and pregnancy centers and pro life groups
Speaker 2: that would never be agreeable if it happened on the
Speaker 2: other side. And what's happening to the attack on pregnancy
Speaker 2: life centers and pro life groups that will change under
Speaker 2: Donald Trump?
Speaker 5: And Jade Vance.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I'll tell you one thing, Federal law enforcement
Speaker 10: has taken it incredibly seriously, and we're already seeing that
Speaker 10: just a few months into this administration, so that's for
Speaker 10: certain that will happen. But no, this is tragic, and
Speaker 10: I really commend Catholic Vote, who's been tracking this for
Speaker 10: quite a while, basically since the riots of the summer
Speaker 10: of twenty twenty, which is when this unfortunate trend accelerated
Speaker 10: with attacks on Christian sites, whether it's Catholic churches, pro
Speaker 10: life pregnancy centers, other Christian churches. They've been documenting the
Speaker 10: attacks on Catholic institutions and sadly we've reached five hundred
Speaker 10: five hundred attacks and some of these are very serious, right,
Speaker 10: some are still serious but less so graffiti that sort
Speaker 10: of things. But some of them, you know, are actual
Speaker 10: break ins, much more violent at times, hurt actual people
Speaker 10: much as property. So it's a really, really unfortunate trend
Speaker 10: and gets almost zero attention to the corporate media. Thank
Speaker 10: you for bringing it up, and thankfully Catholic Vote is
Speaker 10: tracking all of these. You can go to the website
Speaker 10: and see every instant it is cited.
Speaker 1: None of this is hyperbole.
Speaker 10: We are we are tracking this and we hit a
Speaker 10: sad milestone, which you know, we kind of knew we
Speaker 10: were going to get to that roughly around the time
Speaker 10: of the new Pope. And but regarding law enforcement here
Speaker 10: in the United States, listen, I believe that people like
Speaker 10: Cash Hotel and Dan Bongino now at FBI, Pam Bondi
Speaker 10: at DOJ, overseeing the entire federal legal apparatus, they take this.
Speaker 1: Extremely seriously and specifically for Kathins. I would say the.
Speaker 10: Trump administration in the first term, and even more so
Speaker 10: I think in this term has a lot of Catholics
Speaker 10: in really prevalent positions. And so that doesn't mean that
Speaker 10: we're gonna get special treatment, but I will tell you
Speaker 10: this Catholic concerns will not be dismissed. Right and Captain's
Speaker 10: Church is getting attack. Is it's something that Donald Trump
Speaker 10: cares about. He's somebody who is not counting himself but
Speaker 10: loves the church. Came to the Al Cimith dinner for example,
Speaker 10: when Comma there skipped it, which I think was one
Speaker 10: of the worst political mistakes of her of her campaign.
Speaker 10: So this stuff, you know, he's very close with Cardinal Dolan.
Speaker 10: This stuff matters to him.
Speaker 1: And matters his administration.
Speaker 10: And of course we don't want lawlessness against any institution,
Speaker 10: particularly religious ones. I wouldn't care if they were hint
Speaker 10: to him. Of course we should all decry it and work
Speaker 10: to stop it. But it's it's clear that there's a
Speaker 10: targeting here of Christianity, and and really within Christianity, of
Speaker 10: Catholicism in particular.
Speaker 2: Steve Cortes, Catholic Vote dot Org, et cetera. As far
Speaker 2: as the prognostications, I want to over again who was
Speaker 2: going to be the new pope, And of course it
Speaker 2: was Leo the fourteenth Privos. So it wasn't perceived to
Speaker 2: be as in the front of pact because he was
Speaker 2: an American and now here he's the least American cardinal.
Speaker 2: In other words, he's the least he's the most acceptable
Speaker 2: American cardinal because the fact he's an American as a
Speaker 2: negative explain that dynamic around the world. How not to
Speaker 2: be an American as a positive?
Speaker 10: Right, Well, first of all, I don't believe that that
Speaker 10: he's not American. Again, you're pretty American. I think if
Speaker 10: you're a white Sox sand who goes to the World
Speaker 10: Series in the South Side in two thousand and five,
Speaker 10: I mean that tells me just culturally, if you eat
Speaker 10: pizza Aurelios, as I said, which is a legendary South
Speaker 10: Side Chicago pizza place, I mean that.
Speaker 1: Tells me you're pretty dang American.
Speaker 10: Even though he has spent three decades mostly in South America,
Speaker 10: right as a missionary, that's something that should be commended.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you lose your americanness or your heritage.
Speaker 10: And where he grew up in Dalton, Illinois, when he
Speaker 10: was a boy there again, I know there is super
Speaker 10: well from there, myself was really kind of almost just
Speaker 10: an idyllic, middle class suburban life.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunately changed for the worst since then.
Speaker 10: But at that time when he was young, it was
Speaker 10: heavenly Catholic, very ethnic, and just kind of one of
Speaker 10: these wonderful middle class neighborhoods with picket fences and you know,
Speaker 10: where a family could thrive on a single income.
Speaker 1: That's his childhood. So I think he's thoroughly American.
Speaker 10: But to answer your question regarding yes, is there anti
Speaker 10: Americanism particularly among elite Europeans. Absolutely, and even within the church, yes,
Speaker 10: there is absolutely. I think also the Italian cardinals quite frankly,
Speaker 10: and they're the biggest voting block.
Speaker 1: Of course, they now haven't had.
Speaker 10: An Italian pope in a while, right since the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 10: and I think some of them were saying, isn't it
Speaker 10: maybe time.
Speaker 1: For an Italian again?
Speaker 10: After I guess it was about four hundred and fifty
Speaker 10: years prior to John Paul the Second then you know,
Speaker 10: no Italian since, so it was there some anti Americans,
Speaker 10: and probably that's you know, look, they are human beings,
Speaker 10: you though, we hope they're got about the Holy Spirit
Speaker 10: and believe they are. But in the end, yeah, I
Speaker 10: think that the fact that he's an American is probably
Speaker 10: a plus. And just to be very practical, about this,
Speaker 10: and I don't think this is crafts to point out,
Speaker 10: most of the Vatican budget comes from American donors.
Speaker 1: We are way more generous than European Catholics.
Speaker 10: A lot of the rest of the Catholic world frankly
Speaker 10: doesn't have a lot of money to give, so it
Speaker 10: really is financed by American donors.
Speaker 1: So I think that probably was at least part of
Speaker 1: the year in choosing him.
Speaker 10: But in addition to being an American, of course he's
Speaker 10: got the Latin American experience, understands the Third World. And
Speaker 10: then by the way it transferred to headquarters and working
Speaker 10: as the head of bishops in the Vatican, where I'm
Speaker 10: sure a lot of the Italians didn't get.
Speaker 1: To know him and respect him. And you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't take very long. So that tells me it wasn't
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 10: Of a fight, right because this happened on day two,
Speaker 10: so it seems like pretty quickly people call us behind him.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course we're not supposed to know all
Speaker 1: of the details. You read leaks, you don't know if
Speaker 1: they're valid or not. But I think what we can
Speaker 1: reasonably determine is this wasn't.
Speaker 10: A knockdown drag out fight because they got to a
Speaker 10: decision pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: Well with the last few popes have been from Poland
Speaker 2: and Germany and Argentina now Peru. I think Leo's got
Speaker 2: a twenty five year run, which are well over a
Speaker 2: half a century, quite unusual. Lastly, on the immigration issue,
Speaker 2: which is extremely popular. What Trump is doing, despite the
Speaker 2: predilections of the mainstream media is extremely popular.
Speaker 5: Is that going to be the main rub?
Speaker 2: Because Catholic teaching is welcome the stranger, open up the borders.
Speaker 2: Of course, the Vatican itself have walls that are like
Speaker 2: twelve feet thick. That's a different issue. But nonetheless, is
Speaker 2: that going to be the major rub?
Speaker 10: You know, My guess is yes, I think he's again.
Speaker 10: I think they're actually super aligned. On the economy, I'm
Speaker 10: hoping that a lot moreople Devatican are waking up to
Speaker 10: the climate scam, to the climate hysteria.
Speaker 1: So I don't see those as flash points. To me,
Speaker 1: it probably will be migration.
Speaker 10: And look, I think actually that that being tough on borders,
Speaker 10: insisting on law and order is actually very consistent with
Speaker 10: Catholic doctrine. But there are some folks even in the
Speaker 10: hierarchy who clearly would not agree with me on that point.
Speaker 10: So we may have to agree to disagree on those points.
Speaker 10: But you know, like I, for example, I just posted
Speaker 10: today on my social media and interview I did at
Speaker 10: forty minutes of a cop, former Phoenix cop, talking about
Speaker 10: the cartels, the Mexican cartels activities in Arizona in the
Speaker 10: United States, how violent they are, how vicious they are
Speaker 10: inside of the United States.
Speaker 1: That's because of an open border. And there's nothing merciful
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 10: There's nothing merciful about allowing criminal organizations to own a
Speaker 10: border region and to then infiltrate into our country.
Speaker 1: And so I would challenge any any churchman. I would
Speaker 1: I would challenge any.
Speaker 10: You know, pro open borders or propoor as borders Catholic
Speaker 10: explain to me how that is just and moral in
Speaker 10: Christian I don't think it is at all. I think
Speaker 10: law and order actually and protecting the weak and protecting
Speaker 10: your country. You know, we lock our doors at night
Speaker 10: at our homes, not because we hate those on the outside,
Speaker 10: but because we love those on the inside. And I
Speaker 10: think the saying goes for your home as for our country.
Speaker 10: And we have every rights. I believe every obligation, as
Speaker 10: a matter of fact, to effectively lock our doors to
Speaker 10: protect ourselves from preventable dangers. And I think not only
Speaker 10: is that's just practical imprudence, but I think it's actually
Speaker 10: totally consistent with Christianity and Catholicism.
Speaker 2: In my view, that capitalism is the cure for climate difficulties,
Speaker 2: not the cause. And right now we have the cleanest
Speaker 2: the other the cleanest water, and let's keep doing it.
Speaker 2: Once again, Steve Cortes, good to help up with you
Speaker 2: again Catholic vote dot org. All the issues are there,
Speaker 2: including what's happening with transitioning gender transition, which has completely
Speaker 2: been debunked by every independent study. But however, the media
Speaker 2: won't let go of the fact that boys can be
Speaker 2: girls and girls can be boys.
Speaker 5: I thought science was real. I thought biology she was
Speaker 5: a fact. Maybe it isn't.
Speaker 2: But I got to run Steve Cortes once again, Kathic
Speaker 2: vote dot org.
Speaker 5: Is that correct, Yes, sir, Thank you so much for
Speaker 5: having a lot of good stuff there, Steve, Thank you
Speaker 5: so much. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let's continue, Let's continue with more and if a line
Speaker 2: becomes available, you know the routine. But uh, for the
Speaker 2: last couple of three years, I've lost track of Stephen
Speaker 2: Cortez and I'm glad I hooked up with him again.
Speaker 2: Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham and UH with you
Speaker 2: every day on news Radio seven hundred w ALDO.
Speaker 8: Today's question comes from Lauren in del Hyde. Is it
Speaker 8: true that Bill Seg Dennison writes all of your material
Speaker 8: and is secretly the reason that your career has been
Speaker 8: so successful?
Speaker 5: The secret is out.
Speaker 15: He doesn't write all my material, but he writes every
Speaker 15: single bit of Bill Cunningham's material, and he is the
Speaker 15: reason why Cunningham is.
Speaker 5: A star, not me.
Speaker 7: Howard Lauren know that?
Speaker 15: She doesn't know it because she thinks he's been the
Speaker 15: power behind whatever success I've had, and she is missing
Speaker 15: form because he's been the power behind Bill Cunningham.
Speaker 8: Would there be a chance that he could be the
Speaker 8: power behind two people?
Speaker 15: No, he could be two people, but I'm not one
Speaker 15: of them. Actually there are two. It's Bill Cunningham and
Speaker 15: p Doc. Goh, what's p doc that? Thank you very much?
Speaker 15: That's that's the nickname for Paul Doherty. And I'd be embarrassed.
Speaker 15: I would be embarrassed if I were Paul Doherty to
Speaker 15: allow that radio station to refer to him in promos
Speaker 15: as p DOC.
Speaker 8: That's kind of like puff daddy or thank you or
Speaker 8: thank you whatever he wants to call himself.
Speaker 15: Now it's the weakest nickname I've ever heard.
Speaker 8: So Seg doesn't write yours, but he does, right, he writes.
Speaker 15: P doc and for Bill Cunning, the greatest American.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is a fraud byets. I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I told Davey you get rid of that. If someone
Speaker 5: has found that in the archives, probably Matt Reese. These
Speaker 5: things never go away, thank god. Segment.
Speaker 2: Once a year, we sit here, the three members of
Speaker 2: the Triumphrate and the rock No one's come close yet,
Speaker 2: that's true, no one. And we would think Rocky. By
Speaker 2: the way, how much stuff do you write for Rocky?
Speaker 5: And nothing? How about p doc? You're not here anymore?
Speaker 5: How about me? Don't say it, can't don't say it
Speaker 5: all of it? Don't say it, can't say all right,
Speaker 5: rock are you prepared? I'm prepared? Are yearly tradition? Will he?
Speaker 5: No one's it for we did this after training camp.
Speaker 5: Well you picked seventeen and know every year Sega. Now
Speaker 5: it's stupid book. It not even close okay.
Speaker 2: Alright, Rock First game, Bengals at Cleveland Sunday, one pm
Speaker 2: on Fox.
Speaker 5: Who wins the game?
Speaker 16: Cleveland doesn't have a quarterback. Actually they have five quarterbacks.
Speaker 16: One they don't have a quarterback. I'm calling that's a
Speaker 16: Bengals win. All right, I'm gonna put down Bengals. I'm picking.
Speaker 16: I'm picking Cleveland in that game. I'm sorry, Bengals.
Speaker 5: Always start already. I did write that, now, who you say?
Speaker 5: You're right everything I do, But you just did. Who
Speaker 5: did you tell about this? I can't say? Who do
Speaker 5: you like? Bengals? That's a stupid question.
Speaker 2: Number two September fourteenth, there's that number again.
Speaker 5: There's that number.
Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaggs at home one o'clock CBS Rock.
Speaker 16: Let me ask you and Willie a question. Who is
Speaker 16: the Jaguars head coach Urban Meyer? No, I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 16: somebody named Liam Cohen. Nobody knows who that is. So therefore,
Speaker 16: the Bengals are gonna win that game.
Speaker 5: They start off to and zero Bengals seg I assume
Speaker 5: check Mark Bengo. Who day, I'm taking the Bengals on
Speaker 5: that game. But all right, there you go. I wrote
Speaker 5: that down for you now.
Speaker 2: Week number three in the Dome, Boy, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what the dome is and.
Speaker 5: What is it the Minnesota nit the what is it
Speaker 5: rock up there? The Dome? Don't know where Sadie Spins
Speaker 5: is in Atlanta. They changed that they and that it's
Speaker 5: got some of them. Who do you like? Bengals Minnesota?
Speaker 16: This is the start of a five game stretch where
Speaker 16: the Bengals will play five playoff teams in a row
Speaker 16: from last year, starting with at Minnesota. I like Minnesota
Speaker 16: this year. I think they win that division. The Bengals
Speaker 16: lose on the way. It's US Bank or US Bank
Speaker 16: Stadium segment. I assume you take the Bengals. Am I right, Bengo,
Speaker 16: You're easy, but that's a tough one. I could call
Speaker 16: it a tie in overtime. Did last year?
Speaker 5: I predicted three ties? Three ties? You were real close
Speaker 5: there too.
Speaker 2: I'm taking indoors the Bengals at Minnesota. About that indoors
Speaker 2: A Week number four is at Denver. It's not mile
Speaker 2: High anymore, whatever the hell it's called. Monday, September twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: at eight to fifteen pm, ABC, Oh night, gonna be snowing.
Speaker 5: September it'll be snowing, yeah, power and power field at
Speaker 5: Mile High and what the hell that is?
Speaker 7: Hi?
Speaker 4: Rock?
Speaker 5: Who do you like there? At Denver?
Speaker 16: Last year Denver led the league in sacks. They have
Speaker 16: a great defensive line. They got a really good team.
Speaker 16: They could win that division. But but I'm picking the
Speaker 16: Bengals to win that one segment.
Speaker 5: One of the teams in orange is gonna win. I'm
Speaker 5: taking Minnesota in that game. A lot of what you know,
Speaker 5: you're taking Denver? You fool taking them too. I'm taking Denver.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of orange in that team. How are
Speaker 5: they going to figure that out?
Speaker 9: Rock? Well?
Speaker 5: I mean, are wearing orange? Be running around looking coach?
Speaker 5: They gotta they got it all in. Denver goes nuts
Speaker 5: in these games, all right, we'll be looking like Highway.
Speaker 5: But the next game is at green They're playing Green
Speaker 5: Bay at the right time. In October.
Speaker 2: You forgot Detroit. You forgot Detroit, Detroit. Who do you
Speaker 2: like Detroit at home against Detroit? I like Detroit. That's
Speaker 2: a loss, Bengals loss.
Speaker 5: I'm taking the Bengals in that game. So you've picked
Speaker 5: the opposite of me every single one. I'm gonna bet
Speaker 5: you like the jaguarsy good do you like in that game?
Speaker 5: Why you know? I'm taking the Bengals in that game?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Now next game is at green Bay. Good time to
Speaker 2: play them, and won't be in December. October. Trough could
Speaker 2: be four inches and not ten inches, thank you, so
Speaker 2: sunny October. The trough that green Bay for twenty five
Speaker 2: good weather.
Speaker 16: Offense goes wild, but green Bay wins that game.
Speaker 5: What all right? Bengals lose uh two of those three
Speaker 5: and then I'm taking the Bengals in that game. He
Speaker 5: taking the Bengals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now we got a
Speaker 5: big one here. Prime Video, whatever the hell that is,
Speaker 5: I'll never be able to see the game. It's Thursday night.
Speaker 5: Come over to Rocks.
Speaker 16: I will help you. I will help you. I will
Speaker 16: come over. Yeah, just like I did with the wreath
Speaker 16: on Prime. Oh, I believe me. They're just a dirt
Speaker 16: pad to my front door. I just got two daily
Speaker 16: stops I know, says how many.
Speaker 5: Buzzes that have I gotten together? They gotta they got it.
Speaker 5: They got an Amazon distribution site. But behind his house.
Speaker 2: I had three stops today so far. My alarms go
Speaker 2: off here they got no, I'm serious, that are three.
Speaker 5: Uh so this is a stuff ordered for you or not.
Speaker 5: I can't say.
Speaker 2: I can't say, Okay, I've got a Prime video Amazon.
Speaker 2: Believe me, I support the stock.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't spend two thousand a month on Prime Video.
Speaker 2: Something's wrong on Prime but Prime Video I'll get you over.
Speaker 2: You get the game on TV. Penny doesn't watch football,
Speaker 2: doesn't watch basketball, doesn't watch baseball. The older stuff, Hey,
Speaker 2: get the Christie is her favorite, those romance novels. You
Speaker 2: known't go smutty romance, not really that That's what you
Speaker 2: don't know. My wife, she goes. She praised the rosary
Speaker 2: every night. You talk about a rally killer. I was
Speaker 2: married to you.
Speaker 5: I do that too. That's a rally killer.
Speaker 16: Right now you look up the stairs and then she's
Speaker 16: there praying the rose with.
Speaker 5: The crucifix over the road fourteenth. It's not that. She said,
Speaker 5: not that time of the year. And I said, never mind,
Speaker 5: who do we got Bengals win that game a short week?
Speaker 5: They yeah, Steer, so you got the Bengals, seg whoday.
Speaker 2: You know I'm taking Pittsburgh in that game. I'm taking Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: taking Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: Alright, how about uh? Sunday, October the twenty sixth, Jets
Speaker 5: at home. Justin Field is the Jets quarterback. He's not
Speaker 5: very good. They're not very good. Bengals win. I'm taking
Speaker 5: the Bengals in that game. Wow, I'm taking the Bengals
Speaker 5: in that game because the Jets stink. I assume Aaron
Speaker 5: Rodgers is done. D you in and Sasco come back?
Speaker 5: Sauce sauce Gardener.
Speaker 16: Yeah, Aaron Rodgers could come the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2: I think that's good. He can't move. I think he's
Speaker 2: too old. He's in his forties. That's getting pretty old.
Speaker 2: It's also kind of a cancer at this point.
Speaker 7: Is he not?
Speaker 5: Is he's in New Mexico, some sort of tribal in
Speaker 5: his own field. He's sitting in some room in the dark.
Speaker 5: We got to hurry up a little bit here.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I got Johnson and then we
Speaker 2: got Chicago the Bears November second.
Speaker 5: Who do you like?
Speaker 16: I think the Bears will be one of the surprise
Speaker 16: teams this year. The Bengals lose that game before the
Speaker 16: bye week, I'm taking the Bengals in that game. I'm
Speaker 16: taking the Bengals.
Speaker 5: Bengals go after Caleb Williams because he wanted to mess
Speaker 5: up the NFL draft according to a book, Yeah you
Speaker 5: want it out, Yeah, he want it out, wanted to
Speaker 5: go to the United Football League. So that guy's a clown. Well,
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's I'm sure he's well liked now in Chicago.
Speaker 5: How about New England at home? I would think all
Speaker 5: of us you skipped another one at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 16: They come off to buy, they go out of Pittsburgh,
Speaker 16: beat the Steelers twice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bengals win.
Speaker 2: I'm taking Pittsburgh in that game, and you're taking the Bengals.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 2: Now we have finally we have I'm not sure where
Speaker 2: the hell am, but we got New England, New England,
Speaker 2: New England. Everyone agrees, Right, George Jordan, what's your name?
Speaker 2: Will be on the sidelines.
Speaker 5: I think for that game, she's gonna start dating. They're
Speaker 5: gonna start Yeah, head coach maybe Robert Kraft.
Speaker 16: Yeah, he's a little young for her that she might
Speaker 16: give him a massage at some point, a craft guy.
Speaker 16: Bengles lose that game. Bengals lose that New England, most
Speaker 16: improved New England. Yes, I'm taking the Bengals. All right,
Speaker 16: now we got that's a tough one here at Baltimore. Nice, Well,
Speaker 16: this is a two week deal right now. They got
Speaker 16: to Thanksgiving? Thanksgiving?
Speaker 5: Who do you like in that one? Bengals lose that game? Bengals.
Speaker 2: I'm taking Bengals win on Turkey Night. I'm taking the
Speaker 2: Bengals to win that game. You have an upset and uh,
Speaker 2: you're taking the Bengals. Seg and then Buffalo, you got.
Speaker 16: He's taking Bengals. Always played good in Buffalo. I'm taking
Speaker 16: the I'm taking the Bengals in that game. I'm taking
Speaker 16: the Bengals too in that game. Seg me too, of course.
Speaker 5: Then you got how.
Speaker 2: About Baltimore at Buffalo than Baltimore. You've got Baltimore.
Speaker 16: Now, it's a tough that's a tough stretch there. Who
Speaker 16: do you like to lose that game? Bengals lose. Ravens
Speaker 16: are good.
Speaker 5: You take Ravens. If you didn't know that, I'm taking
Speaker 5: the Bengals in that game, I don't like me too.
Speaker 16: All you haven't win in four straight coming out of
Speaker 16: the teeth day schedule, back on four straight.
Speaker 5: Now you have at Miami.
Speaker 2: That's a good time to go to Miami in December,
Speaker 2: just before, just before.
Speaker 5: Christal's son and fun capital.
Speaker 8: Of the world.
Speaker 5: Think that's how Bengals wine? Can I say Christmas on
Speaker 5: the radio? Can I do that? Yeah? All right? Now
Speaker 5: we got you got two games left, which is two
Speaker 5: b Arizona, Arizona and Cleveland.
Speaker 16: Arizona's good, They're a good team, good defense.
Speaker 5: But the Bengals win that game. Segment, I'm going Bengals.
Speaker 5: I'm taking Arizona to Bengals Murray, right, yeah, and then
Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna take Cleveland to beat the Bengals here,
Speaker 5: how about that?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 5: I got them with a win, all right?
Speaker 2: So the total schedule, SEGEG has them seventeen and oh.
Speaker 16: I got them at ten and seven with a wild card, berth.
Speaker 16: I got them in seven and ten. We went backwards
Speaker 16: a few times, so you got ten and seven, seventeen
Speaker 16: and oh, seven and ten. Hot fuds, Sunny on the line.
Speaker 16: Whoever's closest wins?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 5: Wait, you you have them, mital you have them. You
Speaker 5: have eleven wins for him, You have eleven and six.
Speaker 7: I've just counted them up.
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Speaker 7: Seven?
Speaker 9: Yes?
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Speaker 16: Boom, let's go, let's go. In fact, I think we
Speaker 16: have a bet on this time. I do you think
Speaker 16: the Bengals are gonna win eleven games?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 7: I do?
Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 16: But Jason Williams is in. We got a quick show.
Speaker 16: We go to three fifty because of the moved up
Speaker 16: Reds game. But I'm with Jason Williams and we have
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Speaker 2: And don't forget for those suffering Reds fans and Guardian
Speaker 2: fans the games have moved up for an hour and
Speaker 2: a half. Segment Thank you, yes, sir, give me out
Speaker 2: of the stud's report.
Speaker 5: Will do everybody have a good weekend and a safe one.
Speaker 5: We leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge Report.
Speaker 1: See the Highway Patrol election again next week.
Speaker 10: Until then, remember leave your brother at the Red Cross
Speaker 10: not on the highway.
Speaker 6: This is Brodrick Cruffe's saying, see you next week.
Speaker 2: This will be pulled out by the way at the
Speaker 2: end of the Bengals season.
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