WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.480 I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:06.919 Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. It is thought 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:13.439 Provoking Thursdays. Ativa's show, historically on our Program on Wealthy Wednesdays, 4 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:18.800 has now moved to Thursday Afternoons, Thought Provoking Thursdays, Our 5 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:22.440 Conversations with Atiba. Ativa is the former deputy executive director 6 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:27.440 for the National Black Caucus of State Legislators NBCSL. He's 7 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:31.679 a Strategic Alliance consultant and president of Party Politics US. 8 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:34.600 He's worked as a TV political contributor for B and 9 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:36.520 C News, The Heat in the no with Mo, The 10 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:40.359 Leslie Marshall Show, at Heart Radio, Gov Exec ninety six 11 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:43.320 point three, w h u R, and the One America 12 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:46.320 News Network. He most recently was a guest host on 13 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:49.799 Rising in American Daily News and Opinion of web series 14 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.320 produced in Washington, D C. By the political newspaper The 15 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:57.560 Hill in nineteen. In twenty twenty, Atiba released his first novel, 16 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.759 Saving Grace, a political thriller. T But welcome forward to 17 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:02.000 the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 18 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:04.920 Jesse, Happy New Year, and it's great to be. 19 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:07.280 Back, Tiba. I am so grateful that you're here. There 20 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:09.840 are number of subject matters that I like to cover today, 21 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:14.519 including but not limited to Minneapolis, Venezuela, and what's going 22 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.760 on generally in the world. But one of your consulting 23 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:23.560 specialties is collecting data to determine what the American people 24 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.120 want the president of the United States to work on. 25 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.239 Can you share a little bit more about that with us? 26 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:34.120 Yeah? So, Jesus is hard to believe. 27 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.280 It was eleven years ago a friend of mine came 28 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.519 up with this idea of why don't we take get 29 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:44.560 a chalkboard and let young people on a college campus 30 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:47.000 educate us about what it is that they wanted to 31 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:50.159 see the next president work on. And what we did 32 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.879 was home Depot built us a chalkboard which was four 33 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.400 hundred pounds. You learn a lot when you do these things, 34 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:03.079 but it was on wheels and then we willed it out. 35 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:07.120 And the whole idea of when I started like an 36 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:10.719 organization called Party Politics US, was about how do you 37 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.680 put the fund before the politics to attract people. So 38 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:18.840 Coca Cola donated refreshments and items, and someone else. 39 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:19.280 Came out with. 40 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:24.639 A drone and we had music, and we created this 41 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:29.240 party around the chalkboard at Texas State University. Within four days, 42 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.159 seven five hundred plus students had written on the board 43 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.159 what they wanted to see the next president work on. 44 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:35.919 Wow. 45 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.960 And what we learned from that was people just want 46 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:43.879 to be heard. And so we had, you know, different viewpoints. 47 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.280 You know, some people wanted to be able to conceal 48 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:49.280 and carry, some people wanted abortion rights. It was like, 49 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:51.520 whatever it was, it was there. And then some things 50 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:53.960 that ended up becoming repetitive. We just said to people, 51 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.639 just checked checked next to those items. 52 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.199 And it was fascinating. 53 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.439 That those students weren't just sharing what they wanted to 54 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.639 see the next president work on, but that they said 55 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.159 simply by being feeling like they were being heard that 56 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.759 they it made them want to vote. And from there 57 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.800 and we called it chalkboard conversations, and from there we 58 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:20.879 started doing that and then we started having different conversations. 59 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:25.000 We started doing like little group talks and then panels. 60 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.080 And then that took us to Drake University for the 61 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.800 Drake Debates. It took us to Morgan State University, It 62 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:32.759 took us to Virginia Statem. It just took us to 63 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:37.000 all these different places. But Ultimately, what it taught us 64 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.960 is that people regardless of age, because then older people 65 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.759 who saw that we were posting this were like, well 66 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.000 what about us? So we started a private group on 67 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:50.120 Facebook and people started talking and what the. 68 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:52.840 Whole idea was, how can we do this and get people. 69 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:59.879 From across party affiliation, religion, ethnicities, gender, etc. Together to 70 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:02.360 the conversations. And it was just became fascinating and that's 71 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.759 what we started doing. That's how we started collecting data. 72 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.560 I think that's a fascinating story. I do have a 73 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:12.479 question though, eleven years later, can you imagine that what 74 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:15.719 the same students or different set of students students might 75 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.800 be writing on a similar on a similar board if 76 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:22.959 you had to wheel a four hundred pounds home depot 77 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:26.720 onto the onto the yard of Texas of Texas, Texas 78 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:27.959 Southern or Texas State. 79 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:33.079 Texas State, you know that's where Lyndon Johnson's I want 80 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:36.079 to say library, but I know Lyndon Johnson School is there. 81 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.800 But well, first of all, we learned how to buy 82 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:42.759 small chalkboards and take pictures of people writing on those 83 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.600 talkboards a lot lighter and a lot easier to transport. 84 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.439 Imagine trying to get a four hundred pounds chalkboard from 85 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.720 Texas State University to Drake University in Iowa. It was 86 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.680 a chore and we believe it or not, there were 87 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.920 some some students from Texas State University that volunteered the 88 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.959 that did that and they took that trip. 89 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.600 Today. Yes, I do think. You know, we live in 90 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.560 a very volatile, very sensitive. 91 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.360 Nation where anyone who disagrees with us people automatically think 92 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.959 that they're against us. And I often use the phrase 93 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:23.040 to people that if you take a glass and put 94 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:25.439 it on a table and we're all sitting around the table, 95 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.079 we all came to the table from different places, but 96 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.600 we're all looking through the same glass, and as we 97 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:33.160 look through that glass, we're going to see something different. 98 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.480 In other words, we all come from different viewpoints, we 99 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.319 all come from different journeys, but we could be looking 100 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:41.720 at the same thing but see it have a different perspective. 101 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.600 And I think this overall, that's where we have what 102 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:46.800 that's what's going on in this country, is that we're 103 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.240 looking through the same glass. 104 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.319 We're looking through the same country. We're all part of 105 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.000 the same country. We just have different perspectives because we've 106 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:54.519 had different journeys. 107 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:56.600 Kind of feels like the Canterbury Tales. We're all trying 108 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:00.439 to get to the Archbishop, the monk, the friar, the 109 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.600 various characters in I think Geoffrey Chaucer's Canterbury Tales kind 110 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.879 of gave some semblance of what we're going through as 111 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:12.279 a nation and certainly what TIVA experienced on Texas's campus. 112 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.920 I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior 113 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.920 Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. It's thought provoking Thursdays. 114 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.120 Our conversations with the TIBA will continue when we come 115 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:30.800 forward on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Jackson eighty, Well, there 116 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.279 will be any conversation with the TIVA on a myriad 117 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:38.279 of issues, and one that is dominating the news as 118 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.199 we speak, tragic shooting and the loss of life in 119 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.399 the state of Minnesota of a young thirty seven year 120 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:51.199 old mother, young white woman who was exercising, by all 121 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:56.720 obvious and objective accounts, her First Amendment rights to talk 122 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.199 to law enforcement, shout at them, scream at them. They 123 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:02.720 were certainly being somewhat aggressive when he grabbed her car doors. 124 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:04.639 If he was going to snatch her out of her car. 125 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:08.680 Whatever that conversation was, that, clearly from my perspective, did 126 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.439 not lead to her being read her miranda rights, the 127 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:16.959 right to remain silent, the remind the right to counsel, 128 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.959 all of those things that you're issued when police officers 129 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.560 get ready to snatch you out of your car, which 130 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.959 is clearly what he was doing when he grabbed the 131 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.079 door handle. But the irony for me, Attiva is this, 132 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:33.600 And I'm not just talking about the fact that this 133 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:38.040 tragedy occurred just four blocks from where George Floyd was killed. 134 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:42.959 I'm talking about all of the incidences where an unarmed 135 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:51.000 African American man or woman were denied, their rights were 136 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:58.040 not read, their rights were unarmed, and trained law enforcement 137 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:03.639 officers shot them. Now, I make the distinction between trained 138 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:06.959 law enforcement officers who function at the municipal letter and 139 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:12.759 level and border patrol agents who work near the nation's 140 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:18.319 borders to secure them and their interaction with legal immigrants, 141 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:25.120 illegal immigrants, undocumented workers, the process that we never read 142 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:30.439 about in the paper. When some action between border patrol 143 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:34.320 and someone crossing the border goes awry, it doesn't make 144 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:38.279 the news. But given the behavior of how the American 145 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:42.639 people themselves are being treated by ice in our cities. 146 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:47.360 We can only imagine that that which we cannot see 147 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:51.799 when I is actually on the southern border, that some 148 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.639 crimes against humanity are taking place that the American people 149 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.440 have never heard about. You're getting your behind whoop by 150 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:05.679 ice in Minnesota or Chicago, or Los Angeles or wherever 151 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.960 else ice is. You better believe someone who has absolutely 152 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:15.080 no constitutional protection is taking it on the head. But 153 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:19.799 this event yesterday is particularly troubling because not only because 154 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:22.919 of the national attention, but it wasn't a young black 155 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:28.279 man or Breonna Taylor. It was white woman and an 156 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:34.039 agent shot her in her face, an unarmed woman. The 157 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:36.159 consequences of that a team but I think are just 158 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:40.360 as extraordinary as any event in the last thirty years 159 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.720 of civil rights and social justice TIBA. 160 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.879 So many things come to mind with all that. Thank 161 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:54.080 you for that, Jesse. First off, my thoughts, my prayers, 162 00:09:54.240 --> 00:10:04.960 my condolences to her family. M Ron grind And an 163 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.679 astronaut just spent one hundred and I think in seventy 164 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:13.519 eight days on the space station, and he talked about 165 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:19.720 living a lie. He talks about in an interview he 166 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:27.559 talks about seeing the earth from above and seeing lightning 167 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:31.639 hit in one place and how it reverberated across the 168 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.039 planet even though we don't see it. He talked about 169 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:41.720 how he could see not just the seven continents, but 170 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.159 see how all the continents and there then the people 171 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:52.080 all connected questioned and asked, are we doing and living 172 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.159 the right way by putting. 173 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:55.080 Profit over the planet? 174 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:56.080 Wow? 175 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.519 I'm saying this because what we are seeing today, whether 176 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.000 or not it is in Russia or China or the 177 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:12.399 United States, is a reverberation of a few men who 178 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:16.120 are using the power that they believe that they have, 179 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:22.039 and that they're targeting people who are innocent in the 180 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:29.639 pursuit of profit. And over time we look at religion 181 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:35.039 and scripture and we say the word prophet. All of 182 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:38.720 these things that we are seeing happen today have been prophesied. 183 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.480 We have put our faith in our belief and other 184 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.360 things aside from the Creator. And until we come back 185 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:51.759 to recognizing that, then our humanity and our livelihood. 186 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.039 And our lives are at stake. 187 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:58.240 So you have people that believe that these men will 188 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:02.440 make their lives better. And again what I said before 189 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:06.679 the break perspective, people are coming to these things with 190 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:09.559 different perspectives, and we don't want to listen to how 191 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.480 and why they feel the way that they do because 192 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.320 there's so much there's stone at them that is creating 193 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.399 fear as opposed to offering hope. 194 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.000 Let me ask this question to Tiva because my father 195 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:28.759 often tells this story of how I guess it's Robert F. Kennedy. 196 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.039 He went to an urban area and he held up 197 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.840 a little black child, and the nation's response when Bobby 198 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:42.399 Kennedy was running for president, I think in nineteen sixty eight, 199 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.360 was poor little black baby. Look at Bobby Kennedy holding 200 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:53.360 poor little black child. Then he went to Appalachia and 201 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:56.799 maybe even to deep rural South, and he held up 202 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:00.639 a kid of a similar age, but the kid was 203 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:12.200 poor and white, tighter, tattered clothing, hungry, ill kempt I 204 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:16.000 struggle with hygiene, absence of water and soap and basic 205 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:21.600 and living in a shotgun house. And America's response between 206 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.840 Bobby Kennedy holding up the little black child was one response, like, 207 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.480 all little black kids are in poverty, so we understand that. 208 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.240 But when they saw the little white kid in poverty, 209 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.639 the country responded with this idea of a fervor for 210 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.879 a war on poverty and to eliminate poverty. I'm thinking 211 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:50.879 in this moment that the death of this mother in Minneapolis, 212 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:55.240 and we've seen how we've been treated as young African Americans, 213 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.879 some of whom have died due to police behaviors. You know, 214 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.679 it's so used to young black men getting shot. Just 215 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:06.200 another brother got shot. Chicago has a crime problem. There's 216 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.679 just another look how violent Donald Trump says we are 217 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.279 in these various cities. But this is different. This is 218 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:17.600 a white woman who got shot exercising her constitutional rights. 219 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:25.320 And Christinoan the administration, the president, the vice president offer 220 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:30.639 an interpretation of events that the investigation itself has not 221 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.519 yet rendered. And I'm finding a level of hypocrisy and 222 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:36.559 irony and irony in that. 223 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:43.919 Fatiba Muhammad Ali said the eyes that the hands can't 224 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.919 hit what the eyes can't see, and we've heard the 225 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:53.519 believe is Norm Chowski say that he who controls the 226 00:14:53.600 --> 00:15:01.039 news controls the people. I'm constantly engaged in conversations with 227 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:03.120 my friends who work on the Hill and my friends 228 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:06.399 who are elected officials around the country about the need 229 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:11.399 to create a more simplified, concise message. Part of my 230 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.320 message is that this woman who died was more than white. 231 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:19.679 She was more than a woman, She was more than 232 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:23.279 a mother, She was. 233 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:24.120 A human being. 234 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:29.240 Yes, when I think about the movie, I can't remember 235 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:32.639 the name of it, but Samuel Jackson plays a father 236 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:36.679 who kills or shoots a man, kills a man because 237 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:41.039 he rapes his daughter a time to kill. And in 238 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:49.440 the movie, Matthew McConaughey, he's up against this Southern da 239 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:53.200 and when he in his closing arguments, he gives this 240 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:58.279 picture and tells the jury, now, imagine that this child, 241 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.200 that your child was in the situation, what's raped and whatever? 242 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:07.639 And he gives us gory picture and then they know 243 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.960 that it's him talking about Samuel Jackson. And he ends 244 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:16.960 it and he says, now, imagine she was white. We've 245 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:20.399 got I believe that there are a lot of reasons 246 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.799 for us to be fearful today. And I'm listening to 247 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.120 a book right now called Peaks and Valleys, and I 248 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:28.120 just finished reading it for the like maybe the fifth 249 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:28.720 or sixth time. 250 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:32.600 Who moved my cheese? We're in a valley right now. 251 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.120 We want to get back to the peak. 252 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.080 We want to be able to be on the top 253 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.120 with the moral high ground and the financial well being 254 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.840 and the religious believe in that. Okay, what we're doing 255 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.399 is right, But how do we get there with all 256 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:50.759 of these things that all keep pushing us down to 257 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.399 the valley. And I think that in order to get 258 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.399 back to the peak, we've got to figure out how 259 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:59.000 do we let go of the baggage. The baggage is 260 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.240 how we keep saying, well, they keep doing this to 261 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.079 us because of the color of our skin, because of 262 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:07.359 my gender, Because how do we figure out that all 263 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:12.559 of us, regardless of ethnicity or gender or nationality, are 264 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:18.839 all have the same enemy. We can't do that if 265 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.119 we keep carrying the baggage. The woman who was killed 266 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.799 you just said, was killed just blocks away from where 267 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.839 George Floyd was killed. And both of them were killed 268 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:32.400 by law enforcement. Both of them were killed by men 269 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:37.680 with a gun. America has a gun problem. America has 270 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.200 a violence problem. America has an issue. Yes, it is 271 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.400 deeply rooted in terms of ethnicity. That goes back to 272 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:46.799 I'm just going to use two thousand and eight to 273 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.960 twenty sixteen because I've been saying this on the show, 274 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.640 that they didn't attack President Obama just because he was 275 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:58.519 a skin color. They attacked him because he represented us, 276 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.119 because he offered hope. They don't want us to hope, 277 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.359 because when we hope, we can be free. That's what 278 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.240 they did to us when we were enslaved. And we're 279 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:12.079 still enslaved today because we're still living on the preceidice 280 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.799 of this idea that fear is grounding us and keeping 281 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.720 us from moving up the mountain that doctor King talked about. 282 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.200 We think about these things and these quotes and these 283 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.119 speeches that have been given, but there's a deeper meaning 284 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.400 that I too will get to the mountaintop. 285 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:28.960 Let me try this, because I know we have just 286 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:31.640 two or three minutes before we come forward. And this 287 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:37.440 is a profound conversation for me. I still mourn the 288 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:42.720 loss of Charlie Kirk. Do I agree with anything he said? No? 289 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.799 Do I like his politics? Did I know? Do I 290 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:51.160 agree with his right wing spin on everything and matter 291 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.640 of fact, racist spin on me. Absolutely not. Do I 292 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:56.880 think that that man, at the end of the day 293 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:58.640 had the right to return home to his wife and 294 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.359 to his family. Absolutely I do, because at the end 295 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.400 of the day, we all get to go home. That's 296 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:14.319 American That was political violence, and it is unacceptable on 297 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.839 the left or on the right, when we do it 298 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.079 to each other, when we do it to others, it 299 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.920 is just plain wrong and it needs to stop. I 300 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:26.440 want to make the state the distinction, however, between political 301 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:33.880 violence and state violence. State violence, when law enforcement puts 302 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:38.400 their knee on the neck of a citizen, when law 303 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:45.599 enforcement shoots a woman protesting in the face, that's state violence. 304 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:51.880 That's different than political violence. That's state violence. When the 305 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.400 head of the Department of Homeland Security or the President 306 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.319 of the United States or the Vice president of the 307 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:03.880 United States make justifiable statements about an American citizen who's 308 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:08.359 married with kids and seeks to change the narrative to 309 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:13.200 justify why she was shot in the face, that's different 310 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:19.240 for me than pure political violence. That's state sponsored terror. 311 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:25.680 And it's going to happen again because the government itself 312 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:29.519 is justifying and is essentially told in numbers of speeches 313 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.359 where President Trump was running for office, he said, why 314 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.519 don't you put your cuffs on him and slam their 315 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:35.880 heads into the back of the car. 316 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:39.039 Take the gloves off. He would say, go ahead and 317 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.640 hit him. They come up, they spit we hit back 318 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:46.599 or something. He said, that's state violence. For men and 319 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.599 women who serve the country honorably and historically have been 320 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:54.119 seen as public servants, whether they're border patrol agents, law 321 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:59.759 enforcement officers. We serve and protect the public. Never before have. 322 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:04.240 The talking about weaponizing a vehicle. Never before have people 323 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:08.960 weaponized law enforcement towards and against the American people on 324 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:11.200 the scale that we're witnessing it. More conversations with a 325 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:14.000 Tiba on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. When we come 326 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:21.200 forward on KBLA it stopped provooking Thursdays with one of 327 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:24.839 our most thoughtful contributors. Atiba is our very special guest 328 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:27.519 in this hour. Atiba, welcome forward to the show. 329 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:29.400 Hey, jesse A. 330 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:33.000 Tiba, I I just want to call her name. Renee 331 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:40.000 Nicole Good lost her life at the hands of the 332 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:44.920 United States. An American citizen was shot in the face 333 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:48.480 by someone who swore to uphold the Constitution of the 334 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:53.039 United States and to serve the people of the United States. 335 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:59.799 They shot her in her face, and the justification before 336 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.240 the investigation has been completed, from the President of the 337 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.720 United States, the Vice President of the United States, and 338 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:13.519 the Secretary of Homeland Security have all but said they 339 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:17.960 reserve the right to shoot an American in the face 340 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:24.880 or protesting their presence in our cities. It's hard for 341 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:28.599 me to imagine that I'm even having this conversation ATIBA. 342 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:33.599 Yeah, it's hard to believe, but it's a conversation that 343 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:35.519 we need to have. It's a This is one of 344 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:39.640 those conversations you would expect the President to come out 345 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:44.200 and say something that was compassionate, something. 346 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:48.920 That was that would be healing. But we're not going 347 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.279 to get that. I keep saying, no one's coming to 348 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.200 save us. This is up to us. 349 00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:58.720 This is up to us to figure out how do 350 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:03.440 we connect with our friends and fellow citizens in Middle America. 351 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:05.960 It is up to us to figure out how we 352 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:09.559 go to the rust Belt and to the South and 353 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.720 talk to people who don't necessarily agree with us, but 354 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:14.880 that have the same issues that we do. 355 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:16.440 And part of those issues right. 356 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:20.480 Now is and I keep asking my friends who are 357 00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:23.079 running campaigns, and maybe it's something that I feel like 358 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:25.039 I keep sending, nobody's next some save us. 359 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:28.240 Maybe it's sometimes to do myself to do a video. 360 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:33.599 Of a family sitting at a computer looking at how 361 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.839 their healthcare costs are going up and ended just shortly 362 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:40.480 with it's a thirty second clip that says affordability as 363 00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:44.039 a hoax. I'm jumping to this that I'm going to 364 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.359 come back to where we're. 365 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:46.599 We're just talking about. 366 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:51.079 Take your talk is what about the person who goes 367 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.920 into the grocery store and buys butter and eggs and milk, 368 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.720 and before they get to meat and vegetables, they've already 369 00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.319 spent close to thirty dollars. 370 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:04.759 Now, let's go back to why some of these folks. 371 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.400 Joined and are wearing these masks and going out in 372 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:12.480 the streets. They were offered a great deal of money 373 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:17.319 even as signing bonus. We don't know what their situation is, 374 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.839 what led them to there. But how do we, like 375 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:23.680 I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan, figure out how to attract 376 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:29.000 someone else to my team. Usually is because I'm paying 377 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:31.920 I'm going to pay you more than than another team 378 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:33.759 is going to be or I think that the culture 379 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:34.920 there is going to be better. 380 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:38.119 We have to figure out a way to show and 381 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:38.880 to re. 382 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:44.359 Establish that the country's best interest is not to attack Venezuela. 383 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.640 The country's best interest is not to attack our own 384 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.880 citizens and the best in the country's best interests are 385 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.880 not to keep kicking out immigrants who are doing or 386 00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.839 who are who are not violating or breaking any laws. 387 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.240 We've got to figure out how do we when we 388 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:05.079 see law enforcement doing what we saw happened in Minneapolis. 389 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:08.400 And we know how the world came to our age 390 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.200 came to our to support us after George Floyd. But 391 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.200 we've got to go back to slavery and talk about 392 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:16.599 how this law enforcement culture and virus that is in 393 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.640 this country that plagues us, that is a cancer, started 394 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:23.039 with slavery. We've got to go back. 395 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.480 And talk about how profit over the planet started with slavery. 396 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.960 We've got to go back and talk about how the 397 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:35.200 idea that poor white people being against black people was 398 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:37.960 started because there were a few people that have money 399 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:42.799 that told those poor people that I'm not the problem. 400 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.759 The problem is that we have this free labor right here. 401 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.519