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the sun. They don't fear the questions, they fear the

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fuck so we see.

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Speaker 1: Well, guys, Man got another banger for you. Been crazy

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day so far, Man, been busy day. This is my

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third sit down today, so I was going to bring

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this one live. This is a guy I've had on

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my radar for a little while. I finally got my

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adhd Squirrel but in gear when I seen him on

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he'd come hang out with this man. He was willing

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to come on. So, Man, I like to welcome for

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the first time, and hopefully this is the first of many.

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I like to welcome to show Nelly Man from the

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Dancing Toaster podcast. I've got tongue tied there for a second,

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The Dancing Toaster. What's happening Nelly?

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, thank you for having.

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Speaker 1: Me Man the Dancing Toaster. Now, how does someone come

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up with a name like that? Do you have toasters

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that dance?

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Speaker 5: Sir?

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Speaker 1: Feel us in.

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Speaker 5: I am a huge Ghostbuster's nerd, So even before I

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Ghostbuster obsessed. And in the sequel, in Ghostbusters two, there's

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that scene where you know they're kind of pouring that

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pink slimee inside of the toaster and then they play some.

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which which one kind of sticks out to you? And

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each one had like a name and a logo, and

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it didn't infringe on any copyright. So I was like, boom,

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there it is. There's my little ghostbuster's reference. I can

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with open arms, so it's very disarming as well. You

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it's a paranormal podcast, you know. And yeah, it's it's

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and I was God, you know, Prometheus, he stole the fire.

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through of the name, you know, tell us a little

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bit about you. You know, who you are, what you do,

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what got you into this, and why you wanted to

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reality of the supernatural realm, wanting to be a place

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incredibly fascinating. And there's a lot of people that have

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you didn't actually experience anything, you were you know, you

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imagined it, nothing actually happened. And it's like, when we

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mean every every shaky pipe in somebody's house is going

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Speaker 1: Man, that's the saying which I didn't go the pastor out.

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and got to looking through the Bible, man, and I'm like, man,

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it's it's right there. It's just it's a lot in

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people all that time. So yeah, it's not you know,

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divine inspired word. But man, if you read Lewis Ginsberg

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it feels in a lot of dots, you know, And

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it connects a lot of dots and feels in a

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in modernity. And that's something that's always fascinating me, is

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connecting the dots. So I can definitely identify Weil that part.

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Speaker 5: And like both of us heavily inspired by by Heiser.

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you can't talk about these things, and he was brilliant

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in a lot of Christian circles was a no no,

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and still is. I mean, some still carrying out and

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pharisee out when you even bring it up. But it's like,

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Speaker 3: This this was something that they read.

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Speaker 5: It clearly influenced their their thinking. That alone makes it

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talk about some weird or fringy stuff and I'm pulling

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it from ancient texture or whatever, and I'm like saying,

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not saying this is, you know, the gospel truth and

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this is actually factual, but hey, they believed it. So

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if they believed it, you know, I mean we have

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to take that into account and realize that that had

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to influence their their thinking and their and their writing too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Precisely, even as it pertains to like ghosts and things

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like that, Like there there are specific words that speak

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of spirits and in Hebrew and in Greek, and and

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they all have distinct meanings. And these authors knew exactly

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what you words they were using and when. And it's

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interesting when you start seeing them thrown around, like Okay,

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does it mean what I think it means?

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Speaker 3: And and how is that possible?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: And so But even even when it's a quote in

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the Bible. I used to teach a Hermeneuticts class, and

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I would freak out. It was at a high school level,

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so it was in college or anything, but it was

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Speaker 3: High school level.

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Speaker 5: And I used to start the class off real controversially,

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I say, I can prove you right now, the Bible

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says there is no God. And the kids, all the

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little Christian kids, their eyes would get real big, you know.

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I said, take them to the verse it says, you know,

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the fool says in his heart there is no God.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: But but I said, you see how I just took

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that out of context. I just told you the second

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part and sold a tea as gospel, right. And that's

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how it'd make the argument of the importance of content.

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And it's funny because a lot of Christian folks will

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agree with that sentiment, like, oh, Yeah, context, context matters.

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Context matters, But a lot of what Heiser exposed was

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the context that a lot of people were using when

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interpreting the Old Testament was like first and second Secretary Judea.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't the context.

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Speaker 5: Abraham wasn't alive during that time, Moses wasn't alive during

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that time. You got to go much further back to

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understand what the heck they were talking about when they

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use certain terms and phraseology. So it's yeah, even those

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who understand the importance of context don't often dig.

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Speaker 3: For the right historical context when seeking understanding.

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you know, like for instance, Moses, you know, he was

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brought up and raised in Egypt, and so if you

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look into Egyptian history and his you know, in their

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mythologies and stuff. Of course some of that rubbed off

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on Moses. He was there almost his entire life, But

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you missed the connection to you know, hath Or and

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the Golden Calf incident. Well that's why they built the

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calf because I mean, you know, if we were just

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reading this in modernity, it's like ah, why are they

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worshiping a stupid cow. Well, no, they just come out

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of Egypt, where they worshiped you know, the fertility god

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Hath or the bull. So you know, I mean when

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they were in Acts traveling around, they cast the demon

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out of that prophetess, you know, that witch or whatever,

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and the people were so upset. You know, you study

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the the history and culture of the Ottoman empire and stuff,

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that's what they had. They had these you know, witches

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and stuff is like slaves or bonds women, and just

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like today, they sold readings and stuff. So when they

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knocked that spirit out over, yeah, they were pissed off

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because that was their one of their sources of income.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And one of my favorite things to point out about

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that particular story is I've been talking a lot about

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like like the occult and its influence on the modern world.

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In the ancient world, these things weren't fake. I love

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highlighting that in the Exodus account that Pharaoh's magicians were

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able to duplicate several of the early miracles. You got,

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you know, the woman in Acts that's performing these these

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these readings. It doesn't give the logistics of how she

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had this power, but she clearly had power that was

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very profitable to our owners. So it's like, these these

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powers are real powers. Doesn't mean they're real good. We

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just know that they're that they're they're real to an extent,

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not everyone claiming to have them. You know, you got

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the what is the the Long Island Medium. You know,

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you got some straight fraudsters. But then some of this

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stuff is is legitimate, and acknowledging that it's legitimate helps

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us to call it what it rightly is, as as

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as truly evil and saying, hey, that that's coming from

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another source, that that's a genuine thing. And the Bible

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is what changed my mind on that, you know, and

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bringing up the other the other entities and stuff. I

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going back through Exodus, and it says, you know, he's

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not only judging the Egyptians, He's not only judging Pharaoh.

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Yelohem of Egypt, who are being judged. And then you

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it brings a whole new light to all the plagues

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that each of the plagues that that God carried out

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was another Egyptian deity that he's basically sticking it to.

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I'm gonna give you more frogs than you know what

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to do it, you know. Yea.

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Speaker 3: It was old school trash talk, you know.

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Speaker 5: So the polemics, the polemics are there, and they're really strong,

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and we miss all that, especially when we start to

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pretend as though like the spiritual world is just super

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simplified in the modern church.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, and I loved it. Like Derek Gilbert, for instance,

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and my listeners probably get tired of hearing it, but hey,

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there might be somebody new that hasn't heard it. Okay.

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But I was always, as Phil Robinson said, I was

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the C plus average guy. I never liked to read.

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I never read anything that I wasn't absolutely forced to read.

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I loathed it. But around too that I was twelve,

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when I started finding these guys and finding all this information,

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I remembered all those Bible stories from a kid that

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didn't really make sense to me that I just kind

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of left alone. But I'm like, oh, man, that's why

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that was this way, or that's why they did this.

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have to know. So then I started buying books, and

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I got so much books. Now I can't stop because

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it's connecting dots and it excites me. And I finally

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understood that that verse in the Scripture where it talks

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about the beginning of all wisdom, you know, or fear

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is the beginning of all wisdom, fear of the Lord.

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more often than not as awe you know, to be

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in awe of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.

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to me because I'm like, oh yeah, every time I

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open that up and I'm reading finding this stuff, it

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does puts me in awe and gets me excited. But

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first real book that I bought and looked into when

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how they are the Genesis six fallen angels at Hercules

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Speaker 3: Well that's the thea for them.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's incredibly exciting. Like Heiser

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used to say the same thing, that he was just

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a dot connector. You know, He's like, I didn't come

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that that came with that that was appealing. And and

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and I mean if anybody had the right to be arrogant,

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it was him. Guy was. Guy was brilliant. I got

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all these books back here, but I a lot of them.

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I treat his reference. I haven't even read all the

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ones that are behind me. But but if he was

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sitting in front of a wall of books, you know,

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he read them all and might even read them all twice. Heck,

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he might have written some of them behind him too,

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I mean, because because.

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Speaker 3: He didn't write a lot as well.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, once you see it, you can't unsee it,

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and it opens up a lot of things to you,

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and you start to see patterns and parallels and and things,

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and you don't know where it's going to lead you.

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down that path. I'm noticing that there are some similar

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things that you start to connect and start to notice

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as well, some of which can get you into trouble.

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And like I said, I've become quite the trouble maker

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and I'm not gonna apologize for the for the truth.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm yep. Well, man, I guess with your podcast

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and your journey, especially being a pastor and research and

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having do you have guests on your show toos it

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just like solo studies?

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Speaker 3: So I haven't had guests.

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Speaker 5: There are so many great shows that have guests, so

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I wanted to bring something different to the table.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of what I do.

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Speaker 5: Storytelling is huge Historically as long as we've been breathing

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on this wet dirt rock, we've been telling stories. So

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you know, they carry information so so well, which is

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why we keep telling them, right. So I like to

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lean into the heavy storytelling element. So that's how I

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story and doing it in kind of a fun, exciting way.

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I say, I add lights and sounds to it. It's

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an audio show. So there's not actual lights, but there's

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a lot of sound. There's music and things like that

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as I retell these these stories and then afterwards I

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just approach it with analysis and say, how can I

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think biblically about this?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 5: What? What fits within the biblical framework and not the

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modern one but but the historic one, and even man

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even doing that has challenged so much my my my

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doctrinal positions because as I get into etymology, that naturally

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takes me into ecclesiology and history and things like that.

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a journey man. This show has been a journey. I've

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I've kind of met a lot of cool people and

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a lot of them don't agree with me, and that's

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the challenging of ideas My listeners and they love to

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message me and say, hey, I like this, but I

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don't I don't like that, Like have you thought about

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it like this? And sometimes I say, yeah, you're right,

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that's that's opened me up to something, and other times

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Speaker 3: You, we can agree to disagree on that.

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you know, to maybe their their particular denomination or school

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of thought. And and but I'm I'm on a journey.

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My mind has been changed about certain things. And it's

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because finding out what do these terms mean? And not

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what did they mean in the fifteenth century, not even

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the first or second with the Old Testament stuff.

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Speaker 3: You got to go back further than that.

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Speaker 5: But once you start, once you start digging, you start

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the framework. It's a very uncomfortable thing. The more I learn,

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the more I realize I don't know. And it's been

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a humbling process. But man, it's a beautiful brokenness. And

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I didn't expect that, you know, when I set out

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on the journey. But it's been one of the one

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of the best parts. You know, some of the episodes

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in the beginning, I won't lie, I sound kind of arrogant,

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like I'm so sure myself, you know, And it's like

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I've been humbled as I've been doing the show, because

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some some of the recent stuff, the approach is different.

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I love the Wi files and.

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Speaker 3: The Talking Fish. I freaking love that Talking Fish. It's hilarious.

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Speaker 4: So I was like, well you're talking, harshmallow man. Well right,

475
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,920
well I just I started talking, all right, that would

476
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,319
be I thought about. You know, my videos on YouTube

477
00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:43,279
are trash because again it's all audio, so it's just

478
00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:43,960
still images.

479
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,039
Speaker 3: There's there's nothing going on.

480
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 5: So you know, I've noticed, like some of these YouTubers,

481
00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,079
if I can get a little talk and toaster avatar

482
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,839
and just slap that up on the screen, you know,

483
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,200
get something going on in the background, that that may

484
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,440
help my my views on YouTube a little bit. But

485
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,640
in any case, I want to Avenge have some guests on.

486
00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:04,759
I don't have the logistics for it yet, but there's

487
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,599
there's so many great shows out there with incredible guests,

488
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,079
and I just.

489
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't bring anything new to the table.

490
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 5: So I was like, well, let me just approach it

491
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,319
with with a shepherd's heart, you know, as a pastor,

492
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,720
is like, how can I approach this from a pastoral perspective.

493
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,559
I'm going to tell the story because I'm a communicator,

494
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,480
but then I want to open it up a little bit.

495
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:25,759
How can we understand it? Can we understand it? Does

496
00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:28,279
it fit within a biblical worldview? What can I accept?

497
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,039
What should I be hesitant about accepting with with if

498
00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:36,400
I want to keep a biblical worldview? So so yeah,

499
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,480
I wanted to be different now that again, the talking

500
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:40,920
fish on the WI Files is what helped inspire some

501
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,240
of the characters that I've brought to the show. Because

502
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,079
I don't have guests, sometimes it can get really boring

503
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,359
listening to the same voice for an hour and a half, right,

504
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,839
And so I brought in at an antagonistic character. I

505
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,880
brought in, you know, a quote unquote conspiracy theorist character.

506
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,319
You know, one of those guys, you know, that uncle

507
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,160
that everybody's got that believes everything that's out there. You know.

508
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,799
Speaker 3: And although the longer time.

509
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 5: Goes, the more we're all realizing that we owe our

510
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:10,319
conspiracy theorist friend and apology because yeah, the stuff that

511
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,839
they've been right about, right, But just introducing a cast

512
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,200
of characters that allowed me to approach some of these

513
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:21,119
ideas from different angles and just have fun doing it.

514
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,599
I loved animation growing up and was like man that'd

515
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,880
be so cool to be a voice actor.

516
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,279
Speaker 3: One day.

517
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:28,599
Speaker 5: Obviously that never happened, but it's like one day I

518
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,279
was like thinking about it for my show, and I

519
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,920
was like, well, heck, if it's my show, if people

520
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,559
think it's stupid, i'll stop and if they like it,

521
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,440
if it's fun, I'll keep it going. So now everyone's

522
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,599
trying to get me on TikTok and start doing tiktoks

523
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,039
with the characters and stuff, and I hate TikTok.

524
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 3: I really don't want to, but I'm told if I

525
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:46,920
want the show to grow, i have to, and I'm.

526
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:51,599
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, yeah, which I remember, like I said

527
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:54,759
a couple of years ago. I think it was Bo Kennedy.

528
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,839
I can't remember if we said that on the air

529
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:58,759
or if I said that pre roll.

530
00:24:58,839 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

531
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: Bo Kennedy, Yeah turned me on to you. He had

532
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:04,079
shared one of your episodes. I think it was on

533
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,319
Facebook and he was like, hey, check out his brother

534
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,039
in Christ. He's got a really great show, and I

535
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,359
clicked on it and I listened to one or two.

536
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,960
But what I do remember was walking away thinking I

537
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:21,119
was like, well, man, that's pretty heavily produced. Because I

538
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,279
remember there was all because most podcasts, I mean, are

539
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,559
you know some of them ain't gonna say most will

540
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,039
have like the little teaser at the front with a

541
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:32,519
little bit of music, you know, maybe a little sound

542
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,440
effect here or there or something like that. But I remember,

543
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,920
if I remember right, listening to yours, it was like

544
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,599
there was music, you know, almost throughout. There was like

545
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,279
when you got to a point where there was a

546
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,640
bang or a smack, there was a sound effect. I

547
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,920
mean it was really dynamic. And I was like, man,

548
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,960
he spent a lot of time producing this show. I

549
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,680
can respect that.

550
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

551
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's how I wanted to stand out.

552
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 5: Now some have criticized it a little bit, and and

553
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,680
I accept the criticism because there's U And the criticism

554
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:06,559
goes something like, you're trying to do radio and we

555
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,319
live in the TV generation, and really the TV generation

556
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,240
is dead now. We're now we're in the social media

557
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,839
and YouTube generation. More people watch YouTube and streaming services

558
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,680
than they do actual TV. But but but I understand

559
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,319
the sentiment is because it's a purely audio format, that

560
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,559
that it's it. It's been attacked as antiquated slightly, and

561
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:27,920
and I received the criticism. But what I tell people

562
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,960
is like when I'm when I'm listening to stuff on YouTube,

563
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,200
I'm listening. I don't watch YouTube. I'll put a video

564
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,240
on that they're talking about something I want to want

565
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,559
to hit listen to, and and then I'm I'm doing

566
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,400
a dozen other things while I'm doing that. So I

567
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,839
can't remember the last time I actually sat down to

568
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:43,359
visibly watch.

569
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 3: A YouTube video.

570
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,039
Speaker 5: I'm just listening to the conversations that are being had.

571
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,039
Same thing with a podcast, so I was when I

572
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,000
first got started, I was like, I don't have the

573
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,720
resources or the know how to do video, so I'm

574
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:55,640
gonna stick with what I know.

575
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: I have a music background.

576
00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 5: I used to record my own music and produce music,

577
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,000
so I was like, well, well can I use the

578
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,759
same software and effects and things on a podcast. And

579
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,759
as I started playing around with that, I was like, well,

580
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,039
it's totally feasible, so let's let's do it, you know.

581
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,839
And and it started very quickly to be very well received,

582
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,680
and I think Bow was he was a game changer

583
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,079
man for the show. Love him to death. He had

584
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,400
just given the show a shout out on his program

585
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,839
and on the Bump, and they gave me a bump

586
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,079
A lot a lot of people came over from the

587
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,799
Bump and I just hit him up. I was like, man,

588
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:31,160
thank you so much because because he helped also inspire

589
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,400
the show in its development phase, because of his experiences

590
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,359
with Lilith and those episodes that he did talking about

591
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,759
that topic. Because as I was prepping the show, I

592
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:46,720
had some negative experiences spiritually as well, and they really resonated.

593
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,680
So I had given him a shout out. Eventually, he

594
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,240
gets told about the show from one of my listeners

595
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,359
and he checks it out, he loves it, gives it

596
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,319
a shout out, and a few months later he gave

597
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,160
me the opportunity to go on a show when we

598
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,440
had a great, great conversation then too. So, yeah, you're

599
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,160
another person that tells me yeah, bo, let me know

600
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,960
you exist. Some of him bow up after this and

601
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,680
say both I owe you another thank you.

602
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,319
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, it was awesome. I had discovered him and

603
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,359
right around the time I first started podcasting, and he

604
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:21,000
was one of the first guest appearances that I ever

605
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,400
had that I went on. And I'm trying to think,

606
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,519
I think I think I told him my Lilith encounter

607
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,200
at first when I first went on his show, I

608
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:37,680
had a like a sleep paralysis event with her and

609
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:41,680
talked about it, and then I went back again and

610
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,319
it was funny. I had just discovered the Book of

611
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,680
Jasher and stumbled across Esau battling Nemrod and the supernatural

612
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,240
garments from the Garden of God to Jewish you know,

613
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:57,720
legends and mythology, and I was like, man, this is crazy.

614
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:00,200
This is cool. And then I started seeing it the

615
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,160
actual sixty six book canon to these garments, and I'm like,

616
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,039
oh my gosh, there's something to this. So then I

617
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,519
kind of searched it out and I found just that

618
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,319
little narrative there, and I pitched it to Bo and

619
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:11,960
I was like, Hey, what do you think about, you know,

620
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,359
Esau battling the mighty King Nimrod for some supernatural garments

621
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,519
and stuff. He's like, that sounds pretty bad ass. Let's

622
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:21,079
talk about it. So I went on his show and

623
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:23,839
he's like, what do you want to call it the show?

624
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,119
I'm like, I don't know, man. He's like, I'd call

625
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,119
it the Epic of Esau, and I was like, that

626
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,880
sounds pretty bad ass. Let's just go with that then.

627
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,799
So I'd done that show and a few months later, man,

628
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,599
I started to write in my first book, so but

629
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,400
Bo was a big catalyst for me as well.

630
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,599
Speaker 5: That's so, that's so cool he Like I said, I

631
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,319
definitely going to reach out to him later because I

632
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,759
know that'll encourage him to know that. You know, sometimes

633
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,880
we do this and we wonder what kind of impact

634
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,079
we're having, and I'm sure a little encourage him to

635
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,119
let him know he's had a positive impact on a.

636
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: Lot of people.

637
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 5: Will and I wonder at times, because this is a

638
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,799
one man I'll and a lot goes into the production,

639
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,119
even though there's no video that all that audio stuff

640
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,200
takes takes a long time. There's a financial investment, and

641
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,440
the time investment is four times that, and you wonder,

642
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,839
you know, is this making any any difference?

643
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: You know, and.

644
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,599
Speaker 5: Love every once in a while get getting that feedback

645
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,279
from folks you know that have plasfire or helped or

646
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,200
you know, been challenged to think about something a little

647
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,039
bit different and or just one of the best things

648
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,799
is making them excited about their Bible.

649
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,359
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and that's something to you I can identify with.

650
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,799
You know, it's like, h since you start creating content,

651
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,519
you know, I catch myself watching a video or something

652
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:40,519
and I just keep scrolling and I'm like, I watched

653
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,319
that for a good two or three minutes. None ever

654
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,559
did hit that like but let me scroll back, give

655
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,559
them that like button, because did they stop my scroll?

656
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,920
They had my attention for a while. I know how

657
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,839
much work and time goes into that. I'm going through

658
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:56,279
all my like so, I mean that is our currency, man,

659
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,240
you know, like you said, breathing life into people appreciation.

660
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,680
So that's a good segue for me. It's like, guys,

661
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,680
we've got thirty five people in here and seven likes.

662
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,279
Come on, now, don't be a jacket ass there. You

663
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:12,960
hit that like button, show some love and don't collet

664
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,559
you nothing. But it helps people like us tremendously. They don't.

665
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,839
I don't think they realize. I think they would because

666
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,920
I mean, it's crazy every show, it doesn't matter. The

667
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,759
ratio is so off. It's like I'll have, you know,

668
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:28,599
fifty to one hundred people in the chat and have

669
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,799
ten likes. I'm like, come on, guys, please, yeah, help

670
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:33,640
brother out.

671
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:34,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

672
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: A lot of folks don't understand how beholding we are

673
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:41,720
to these these algorithms and holding people's attention and things like,

674
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,319
it can be hard to get your show notice because

675
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,920
there is an oversaturation. I mean there's a lot of

676
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,799
folks trying to do it since twenty twenty, especially when

677
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,559
the pandemic had everyone behind closed doors. Everybody in their

678
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:55,920
mama was, you know, trying to start a podcast, you

679
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,759
know about all kinds of stuff. You know.

680
00:31:58,079 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: I'm guilty of that too.

681
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: I mean it's it sent me insular, had me doing

682
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,079
a lot of reading, a lot of studying and stuff

683
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:04,839
and wondering.

684
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: You know, could I do this?

685
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:07,759
Speaker 5: And if I did, would I just be shouting out

686
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,559
into the void or would somebody actually hear me?

687
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:09,839
Speaker 4: You know?

688
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,839
Speaker 5: And so I've been able to have the privilege to

689
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,200
go go on you know, at least a dozen shows

690
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:16,599
or more.

691
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, somebody's noticing, you know, so let's

692
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,000
and And I've been having a lot of fun, still

693
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:22,640
still doing it.

694
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:24,839
Speaker 5: Got the support of the Lord of my wife, and

695
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,119
I keep meeting cool people along the way, so we

696
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:29,039
keep keep the toaster dancing.

697
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: So mm hmmm, Well, man, you had mentioned Lelis, is

698
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,960
that something that you've been uh studying on or looking into.

699
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,920
What's some of the content that you've been focusing on

700
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,079
here recently, maybe we dive into.

701
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, So when the first when the show first started off,

702
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,720
the first two episodes, you know I did, I did

703
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:53,079
the nephelin stuff. I because that standard, you know, that's

704
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,240
that's kind of like the Rosetta stone of all this.

705
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,640
So I did an episode on the giants. I the

706
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,559
second episode was was the return? How do they show

707
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,079
up post?

708
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: What?

709
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:03,559
Speaker 5: You know?

710
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,319
Speaker 3: Talking about that?

711
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: And then episode three I got into female demonic entities

712
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,599
and the potential for them. And then episode four is

713
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:13,839
when I when I hit the Lili topic. My first

714
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,279
like six episodes were heavily produced, heavily planned out, like

715
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,400
I knew like, Okay, this is where I want to start,

716
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,680
where it goes from this, Well, well we'll.

717
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:23,039
Speaker 3: See, right.

718
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:26,119
Speaker 5: But but episode three and four, in the pre prayer

719
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,839
and preparation and planning of those episodes, had some really

720
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,200
crazy experiences and hadn't anything, hadn't had anything like them before.

721
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,920
But what initially lit the question was everyone talks about

722
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,359
you know, the benega Eloheem, the sons of God that

723
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,519
laid with the daughters of men, and you know, you

724
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,599
get the nephiline, and I wondered, well, what the heck

725
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,000
happened to the women? Like the Bible's quiet on them afterwards?

726
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,240
So I was like, well, has anyone ever wondered what

727
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:53,880
happened to them?

728
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,079
Speaker 4: Well?

729
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,119
Speaker 5: Lo and behold, you know readne knock and stuff, and boom,

730
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,799
there it is. You know, they are talked about there

731
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,519
that they underwent a curse and a transformation. They're called

732
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:07,440
sas or sirens, the Greek sirens. And so I was like, oh,

733
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,199
you know, so I did a whole who kind of

734
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,800
deep dive on sirens and female demonic entities going around

735
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,800
the world and saying, you know, look at this account,

736
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,360
this account, this account, this account. There you see all

737
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,920
these threads that connect. And again we're not accepting that

738
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,840
all of them are like you said, gospel, they're not

739
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,039
all factual. But how come they have the same foundation,

740
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,920
you know that they're this this cursed woman and this

741
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:33,960
transformation that takes place. And I did see a word

742
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,800
in the chat that I use a lot in that episode,

743
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,679
succubus or succuby the plural. So the old school traditional

744
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,840
kind of view is, you know, all the you got

745
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,159
your angels and your demons and and and so you

746
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,559
got the good angels you got the bad angels and

747
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,519
and that that's all you have, and they're all masculine

748
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,199
and anything outside of that is just androgyny.

749
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,159
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, but but is that true.

750
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:03,079
Speaker 5: That's that's not the historical view necessarily, And so got

751
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,800
into the female demon topic and.

752
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,199
Speaker 4: The man.

753
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 5: The episode on Lilith was a heavy one too, because

754
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,280
there's so much bad information on her. And I'm still

755
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,159
on the fence as to whether or not she's a

756
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,559
solo entity or you know, I believe in a class

757
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,639
of entity that fall into her category. I believe she's

758
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,599
just one of many. Does she have a role of

759
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,119
leadership in there? There is hierarchy in the kingdom of

760
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,440
darkness if Asian six makes that very clear. And so

761
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,199
there's this really strange lady that's mentioned around Genesis not

762
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,400
Ama is mentioned in there, and she gets mentioned in

763
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:51,119
other Jewish mystic texts and things like that in connection

764
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,000
to the Genesis six event. And so kind of the

765
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:59,239
thinking developed that these women that participated with the Benegro

766
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000
him the sons of God, that they were cursed, they

767
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,880
were transformed, those those sons of God. Eno says, they

768
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,400
get locked away. Peter calls it Tartarus. Jude says, they're

769
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,920
they're they're confined until a day of judgment. These women

770
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,239
are cursed and transformed, and I think, man, I think

771
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,320
there's a lot of validity to that story. And I

772
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,679
think that while they're cursed, they are causing, causing habit

773
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,599
for for a lot of folks. And I believe it's

774
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,880
very sexualized as well. A lot of the trouble that

775
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,880
they cause, whether it's sleep paralysis or something a little

776
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,639
more interactive.

777
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: I believe that they are.

778
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: At that's in Ghostbusters. There's a sucky buss and Ghostbusters.

779
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:38,079
Speaker 3: Yes, yes there is.

780
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 5: And I was even had a caring get real mad

781
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,119
at me too, because it's saying that you're making all

782
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,159
this stuff up because you've been watching too much Ghostbusters.

783
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,000
I said, oh you you naive, little little duckling.

784
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:53,159
Speaker 3: But it's fine. I'm I've had to develop thick skin

785
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:53,719
with the show.

786
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: I got a sound in that one. I got a

787
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,880
soundbot for that one.

788
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,639
Speaker 3: Do you need a lot of paint chips when you

789
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:05,920
were a kid? Yeah? Oh man, that's good, that's good.

790
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,559
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, exactly that though, and everyone, man, I

791
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,119
get attacked for the Ghostbuster stuff, but I'm not going

792
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:15,960
to shy away from it. Show's already got a name,

793
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,480
and I love it too much anyway, and it is

794
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:21,519
all you know, Dan Ackroyd was really into all that stuff.

795
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I've tried to get him on The show Man.

796
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,440
Of course I'm nobody. I can't get a response from him,

797
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:29,599
Like I'd love to just peak his brain on all

798
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,840
his occult studies and what kind of experiences he's had.

799
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,800
I enjoyed listening to him that not that I agree

800
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,800
with him, but I enjoyed listening to him.

801
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, he went Joe Rogans through yep. Yeah, that Joe

802
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:44,480
Rogan episode was was was fascinating.

803
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,039
Speaker 5: Like I said, I don't agree with his conclusions, but

804
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,440
the journey and his openness the journey, I mean this

805
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,280
goes back to his father, his grandfather, great grandfather. I

806
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,360
mean that they got a family legacy of talking about

807
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,639
these things and considering them, and they've crossed lines. I

808
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:01,800
would never crossed as a Christian as a pastor, because

809
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,639
the Bible forbids it.

810
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,559
Speaker 3: But yeah, they get involved.

811
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 5: You know, they were big on seances up there in

812
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,440
Canada and they'd have people out. I mean they even

813
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:13,119
had like a live in medium at one point the

814
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,920
Akroyd family, you know, so they were big on trying

815
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,199
to commune with the other side. So when he sat

816
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,559
down to write that script, I mean it was it

817
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:24,599
was a passion project, not just to tell the good story,

818
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,480
but to kind of shine light on some of these ideas.

819
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,239
And I remember it was it my thirtieth episode or something. No,

820
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,559
maybe it was the fiftieth episode. I can't remember the number,

821
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,440
but it was one of the big round numbers. I

822
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,519
was like, I want to do a Ghostbuster theme episode

823
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:41,400
and talk about, you know, some of the stuff behind

824
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,679
the film and what inspired some of the themes of

825
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,800
the film. And so I want I'm due for another one.

826
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,880
I want to do another one because Ghostbusters two has

827
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,639
some fascinating stuff with Vigo the Carpathian and whatnot.

828
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: And so see when that pops up.

829
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:57,079
Speaker 1: What is will be?

830
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: What is will be?

831
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,199
Speaker 1: No more? Nothing new is under the sun?

832
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: Solomon, Yes, exactly, exactly and man lonely, can somebody get again?

833
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,400
Bankman is my boy, That's my favorite. That's my favorite

834
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,239
Ghostbuster always, always will be.

835
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,159
Speaker 5: And when he's doing the photo shoot with Vego, oh

836
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,920
Vigo baby, Yes, yes.

837
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: I got some Ghostbuster sound clips to back off, man,

838
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,159
I'm a scientist.

839
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: I love that.

840
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 5: I had a shirt that said that too. I warn't

841
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,480
too much though, and I just I just ruined it.

842
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,159
But I had a shirt that said back off, I'm

843
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:39,719
a scientist that bill murray on it.

844
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: And uh and one thing too, like far as like

845
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,639
the female angels or demons. You know, that's get some

846
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,960
people tore up. But one of the verses that even

847
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,800
come out of Jesus's mouth made me kind of at

848
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,079
least really stop, you know what I mean, and dwell

849
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:01,159
on it was. And a lot of people that want

850
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,639
to go against the giants will use this same verse.

851
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,519
But it's where Jesus tells them, you know, oh, in heaven,

852
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:11,599
angels are not given unto marriage, you know. So and

853
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,760
they're like, oh, well, there you go that he said

854
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,760
they're not given them the marriage, so therefore they didn't

855
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,079
come down. Well, no, the angels didn't have fun.

856
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:21,119
Speaker 3: They want to have fun exactly.

857
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,679
Speaker 1: But I'm like for him to say that there has

858
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,519
to be female progeny that they could marry, or that's

859
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:31,760
a very point pointless statement to make that that that

860
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,559
is a good because we know he doesn't you know,

861
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,519
condone homosexuality, right right.

862
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: It does say I made the argument the first part

863
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:41,719
that you mentioned.

864
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 5: I made that argument in my Nepheline episode that that

865
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,840
that verse doesn't negate the possibility.

866
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 3: Uh, it just says the good ones wouldn't. You know,

867
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,199
the good ones wouldn't.

868
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 5: But I never entertained the thought that he's suggesting the

869
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,599
existence of of of female ones, at least not from

870
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,800
that make that argument from that particular passage. One of

871
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,400
the biggest counterpoints to that is that all of the

872
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,960
language in the Bible when angels are discussed specifically, is

873
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,360
masculine language. But that's that's not a deal breaker. It's

874
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,679
just it was just an observation that I made along

875
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,039
the way. So I was like, well, if in fact

876
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:24,400
they are male, if you will, then where do we

877
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:29,280
get all these these female demonic entities? And I'm I'm

878
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,840
I'm of course of the frame of thought that all

879
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:38,119
all fallen angels are demonic, not all demons are fallen angels.

880
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,920
And that's jack that from Heiser as well to kind

881
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,559
of sum up. I believe the most of the demonic

882
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,000
activity that we see going on in the world, and

883
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,039
a lot of it that we see, especially in the Gospels.

884
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,280
I don't believe that fallen angels were what were popping

885
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,039
inside of people, taking control of them and demonizing them.

886
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,400
I believe that ontologically that those particular demonized individuals, it

887
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:06,039
was the disembodied spirit of the deceased Nephileine. And again

888
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:07,880
I didn't come up with that idea. Was that was

889
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:12,239
the idea that was held for a long time before

890
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,039
we came in and just slapped tradition on everything and

891
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,920
oversimplified everything as well. But for the longest time, people

892
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,519
envisioned quote unquote demons as we understand them to be

893
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,440
the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephileine. And it would

894
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,559
then make sense that they would want to take possession

895
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:34,159
of someone because they had a body. Now they don't,

896
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,920
so they want to be bodied. And even that the

897
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,880
scene with Legion in the Gospels where you know, he's

898
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,679
pleading with Jesus, you know, well, if you're gonna send

899
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:44,280
me out of this guy, at least send me over

900
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,119
there into those pigs, you know, so they want I

901
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,840
thought it was fascinating that they can. It appears that

902
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,840
they can also embody animals, which is fascinating when you

903
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,239
think about the implications of that, but the fact that

904
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,679
they desperately want to be bodied. If you're the super

905
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,320
oop powerful fallen angel, what the heck do you need

906
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:04,280
a frail, chubby flesh frame.

907
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: For You don't.

908
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 5: But if you had a body and it was a

909
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,400
mighty body, because we know they were the mighty ones

910
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,960
of old, you're gonna want another one, you know, and

911
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,400
so they try and take possession of ours. So yeah, again,

912
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,480
all fallen angels are demonic. I don't think all demons

913
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:24,199
ontologically or are fallen angel some of them. But I

914
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,800
don't like the oversimplification. I don't like we've used terms

915
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,840
to the point to where they don't mean anything. We've

916
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,360
done it with angels and demons when there's a whole

917
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,840
plethora of spiritual beings. Yes there's a good side and

918
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,000
a bad side, but it's far more complex than we've

919
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:40,239
made it. And the same is true of heaven and hell,

920
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,400
that these these are complex ideas. There are times where

921
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,119
the word hell get gets thrown around, like especially in

922
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:48,320
like the King James and stuff, when it's like, well, no,

923
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:51,000
there's a better word that was used there because the

924
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,800
place of the dead wasn't just hell, and that's a

925
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,320
whole other you know, conversation as well. So yeah, I

926
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,199
don't like the oversimplification when there's a reason Greek and

927
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,039
Hebrew had a plethora of terms for for these realities.

928
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

929
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,519
Speaker 1: And uh, I want to throw this up too. Has

930
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:10,719
made a chat saying, you know that Lilith is not

931
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,039
in scripture. She is, it's just it's not in your English.

932
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,440
When you go to the original Hebrew language ship Isaiah

933
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,840
thirty four, the screech owl that that's Lilith.

934
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's plenty of terminology and Hebrew available that

935
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:27,599
they could have put if they wanted owl.

936
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: But they had a name for an owl, you know,

937
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,320
I mean that was better.

938
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

939
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:32,199
Speaker 3: Yes.

940
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,119
Speaker 1: And another thing you have it, you have it, and

941
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:44,199
all the Mesopotamian stuff, the King's list, Lililu is mentioned there. Uh,

942
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,679
the Anunaki, the their creation story, like like a lot

943
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,519
of the Gnostics and stuff they talk about inky uh

944
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,519
breeds with Lilith to to make Cain. Like I said,

945
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,280
I'm not saying thus saith the Lord here, but this

946
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,159
is the mytho and the thoughts of the people of

947
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,639
this time. Doesn't make it factual, but it's written.

948
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,519
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, and that was that was a major

949
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,480
kind of you know, journey through the mind and through

950
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:14,760
the text, because it is there in the Bible.

951
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: Her name does show up.

952
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 5: So you know, when I saw that in the original language,

953
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,719
I was like, okay, so why on earth would would

954
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,760
a prophet of Israel be using this particular term. And

955
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,239
you again, you can't go to the fifteenth century, You

956
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,360
can't go to this even the first century. You got

957
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,559
to go eight hundred years even before that to try

958
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,639
and find out, you know, what did Isaiah mean when

959
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:38,679
you use that word? And then when you start looking

960
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,320
at the other terms around it, you start realizing when

961
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,440
you're not reading it in a safe English translation, that

962
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,039
sounds like something ripped from National Geographic You know what.

963
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,679
Speaker 3: Once you find that.

964
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,159
Speaker 5: Lilith is mentioned there, and then you have goat demons

965
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,239
that are mentioned there, and you have all these howling

966
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,400
creatures that are mentioned there, it's like, no, we've oversanitized

967
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,639
it because of naturalism. We we have forced it to

968
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,800
sound far more tame than it was ever intended to.

969
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,000
And if if we want to know, like if that's

970
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,280
how it was being thought of, then you go to

971
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,599
the subtuagen. The subtuagent is what Jesus and the Apostles

972
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:21,800
would have had available to them the Greek translation of

973
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,519
the Old Testament, right, and when they got to that passage.

974
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,000
It's fascinating because when the translators are the subtu agent

975
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,320
got to Isaiah thirty four, to the word, you know,

976
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,880
for for Lilith, they put on a cantorus donkey centaur.

977
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:37,519
Speaker 3: Wait what yeah.

978
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: That wow? Some of them.

979
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, so here we're that's a hybrid being. Though, so

980
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,639
here we have this unnatural being. So even when they

981
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,719
were thinking about this term in antiquity prior to the

982
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,199
first century, they're they're taking it. These were men that

983
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,000
were experts in Hebrew and in Greek, and so when

984
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,840
they were dealing with this word, they didn't put screechel. No,

985
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,119
they put on a cantorus. They put donkey centaur. And

986
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,599
why would they choose that word? Why would they choose

987
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:12,480
that word? It's it's really, you know, it's us later

988
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,599
on that try to force everything to be something simple,

989
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,320
something natural. And it's as we the Enlightenment trying to

990
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,440
force the supernatural out of the Bible. Christians being too

991
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,880
heavily influenced by the enlightenment wanting to erase the supernatural

992
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,519
from the Bible, and Isaiah thirty four is one of

993
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:34,719
the ones that pays the highest price because here, here

994
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,239
is a region that is being judged by God, and

995
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,719
after this judgment he speaks of all these these supernatural

996
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,480
being swarming this area afterwards, after it's been exposed to

997
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:51,000
his severe judgment. And when you accept that premise though,

998
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,760
it does offer a lot of explanatory power when you're

999
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,239
investigating all the other things that I like to talk

1000
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,639
about on the show and things like that, and so

1001
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,119
back to Little specifically, you know, when you're trying to,

1002
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,039
you know, look at the etymology of that and why

1003
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,039
Isaiah would have used it and what he would have

1004
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,920
meant by it. You know, you had mentioned Lalitu, there's

1005
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,360
the Leelu and the Lilitu, that one was male, one

1006
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,840
was female. But then you get into medieval times, what

1007
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:20,079
did we do there? Sucubis incubus, right, So we've always

1008
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:25,960
been trying to Demonology has always been fascinating within religious circles,

1009
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,920
trying to understand the other side, and we have oversimplified

1010
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,360
the other side to where most Western Christians only they

1011
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,800
think angel, they think demon and for some that's good

1012
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,320
enough and that's all they want to know, the good side,

1013
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,480
the bad side. But I think when we do that,

1014
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,559
we greatly limit what we're willing to entertain. And the

1015
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:49,719
Bible doesn't do that. The Bible doesn't limit the supernatural world.

1016
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:53,480
But it also doesn't explain itself. It expects you to

1017
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,199
do a little bit of work and a little bit

1018
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,079
of digging. And it's the study of the history around

1019
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:01,360
it where we get the context. And everyone says context matters,

1020
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,719
and until the context is uncomfortable, when you're like, oh, could.

1021
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 3: He have meant that? Well, what did it mean in

1022
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,840
his time? Not yours?

1023
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: And Isaiah thirty four is a big one that it's like, no,

1024
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:14,960
it wasn't a scene from National Geographic folks.

1025
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hypocrisy goes only so far. I had to

1026
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,880
pull out Doc Holliday. My hypocrisy only goes so far.

1027
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,760
That's something that always bothered me. It was like face value.

1028
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,679
A Christian, you know, we professed that we believe that,

1029
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,079
you know, God came in the flesh as man, you know,

1030
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,800
died beorfore he died, He healed blind, he healed the lame,

1031
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:44,159
and all these miracles, turned water into wine, and all

1032
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,440
this stuff went to the cross, died, went into a

1033
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:51,000
shield and took the keys of death after three days

1034
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,159
and resurrected, you know, and it's going to come back.

1035
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,800
And it's like, that's so far from the naturalistic my

1036
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,840
said that you can get. But then when we start

1037
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,400
having conversations like this, oh no, there is no other

1038
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,239
entities other There is no other gods, even though the

1039
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:14,519
Bible and God himself calls them gods. That's all hallguash

1040
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,159
and know that stuff's real. You know, are the people

1041
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:19,079
from the occult that try to come out and go

1042
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,199
to church and start, you know, telling their experiences or

1043
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:25,360
ask their questions. Oh that's not real. That stuff's hollywood.

1044
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,440
Or authors make crap up to sell books.

1045
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: You know.

1046
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, guys, you can sound like total

1047
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,480
freaking hipocreates when you act like that.

1048
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:35,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1049
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 5: That was one of har Heiser's greatest arguments was the

1050
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,559
fact that we believe some pretty out there things, like

1051
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,159
we need to own it. We believe some really out

1052
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,119
there things because well they're in the Bible.

1053
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: Do you believe the Bible? Yes or no?

1054
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:49,119
Speaker 5: And if you do, well, the Bible's a supernatural book

1055
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:53,079
full of supernatural accounts. And I think it's fascinating how

1056
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,079
much we want to force it into naturalism, that we

1057
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:59,119
want to naturalize everything and come up with explanations for

1058
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,639
everything or limit what is possible, when the Bible doesn't

1059
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,960
do that. And again, the Bible Heiser used to say,

1060
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,199
I'm not going to protect you from your Bible. You

1061
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,360
know that he would just and even what was aspersion says,

1062
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,599
you know, he's just going to open it up and

1063
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:14,760
let the lion out. He's not going to apologize for

1064
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,480
what's in it. There's some stuff in there that's wild,

1065
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:19,440
and it's heavily supernatural.

1066
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: Go read the Gospel of Mark. Jesus was encountering demons

1067
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:22,960
left and right.

1068
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,199
Speaker 5: If you read that, you know, and and when you

1069
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,960
look at the experiences that he's having, and then you

1070
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,400
look at the mundane experience that so many Christians are

1071
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,639
having in the twenty first century, I want to be like, well,

1072
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:36,159
where's the disconnect? Because if you go through the you

1073
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,679
read the Book of Mark, and then you read the

1074
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,840
Book of Acts, you're seeing a war going on for

1075
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,400
the souls of men. You know, so you know, our

1076
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,960
biggest weapon is the proclamation of the Gospel. Let me

1077
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:50,320
be clear, you know, I don't necessarily think we need

1078
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,199
to be conducting exorcisms left and right, but at the

1079
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,159
same time to pretend as though now it's like only

1080
00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:59,920
the Roman Catholics are the only ones still talking about exorcisms,

1081
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:03,239
or it's either them, or it's the hyper Pentecostals that

1082
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,519
blame a demon on everything, no offense to anybody that's

1083
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,519
Pentecostal and just saying Pentecostal background, and you know, you

1084
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,039
you fall into the trap of blaming a demon for everything,

1085
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:13,400
which I think is dangerous. But then the other, the

1086
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,320
other extreme is is saying that well, nothing, nothing is

1087
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,599
is a demon and nothing supernatural, and there's an explanation

1088
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,679
for everything, and we limit our availability to be there

1089
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,760
for people in a minister to people that have had

1090
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:31,840
some really crazy experiences, and we're incredibly dismissive. We're so dismissive,

1091
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:32,760
and we.

1092
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:35,639
Speaker 1: Lived pompous, you know, like we got it all figured out,

1093
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:38,360
we're so smart. Now it's like, yeah, you're never going

1094
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,639
to learn nothing because you're unteachable. That's why I said,

1095
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,519
you know, the children is what's going to inherit the

1096
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:48,639
kingdom because that childlike wander And you know what I mean,

1097
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:54,480
it's the most supernatural book in the world, and it's

1098
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:57,800
esoteric in nature. I mean, I fight people tooth and

1099
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,920
nail on that, because Jesus even tells you it is

1100
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,320
out of his own mouth. He taught in parables, okay.

1101
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: And then even he kept hiding your aid.

1102
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: Yes, And then when he went back to his disciples,

1103
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,320
they're like, oh, you said this and said this. You know,

1104
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,039
what is the meaning of this teacher? You know, why

1105
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:14,719
do you talking all these parables?

1106
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: He said?

1107
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: And what does he say? Because the mysteries have not

1108
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:23,360
been revealed to them, he said, But they have been

1109
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,159
revealed to you. But still you ask me, Rabbi Rapi.

1110
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,960
You know, Psalms tells us it's the glory of God

1111
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,559
to conceal a thing, but it's the glory of kings

1112
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:42,039
to search things out, so we have to do. I

1113
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:44,159
love how Mike Hauser said, read this like it's a

1114
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,519
fictional novel. And I know a lot of Karens and

1115
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:51,000
Pharisees got their underwearing a bunch when he said that.

1116
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:54,239
But I loved it because his explanation behind it. He says,

1117
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:58,599
read this like it's a fictional story, he said, like

1118
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,039
you're reading a Harry Potter book. Yet you know you're

1119
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:06,000
you're you're disavowing and throwing away all of your reasoning,

1120
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,360
all your logic, all the things that you've been taught.

1121
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:10,400
You're just going to read it for what it is

1122
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:13,679
and accept it as it is at face value. He said,

1123
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:17,800
that's the only way you're going to receive the message

1124
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,679
that the authors were trying to give you. And I

1125
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,079
was like, might drop. You know, couldn't have said it

1126
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:29,199
better myself. And that has helped me so much in

1127
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,960
my studies and reading. And like you said, the more

1128
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:35,199
I study, the more I realize how stupid I am

1129
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,719
and how much more I need to learn. But because

1130
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,599
of my mindset and doctor Michael Heiser's teachings, I may,

1131
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,039
you know, receive just a little bit more understanding than

1132
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,400
the average bear. But I'm still and never will be

1133
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,519
an expert on this supernatural, esoteric book. But luckily for us,

1134
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:00,760
Salvation was made so simple that a child he could

1135
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,960
understand it because it was meant that was meant to

1136
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,519
be straightforward. Because that's the important part.

1137
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, for sure, And and that's that's the entryway

1138
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,039
that that that's the entryway. And and you're right, you know,

1139
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:14,880
he oftentimes would would would deal in mysteries, you know,

1140
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:16,000
even Deuteronomy.

1141
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 3: The secret things, you know, belong to the Lord.

1142
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 5: There are some things that that he plays close to

1143
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,679
the chest, and there are other things, like he said,

1144
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:26,960
the glory of kings to discover a matter. And but

1145
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:31,480
I think humility is a major key too to going through.

1146
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,639
And uh, I've met so many that I would have

1147
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:37,800
looked up to before, so sure of themselves, you know,

1148
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,800
and and they fled, they fled comment sections and chats

1149
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,199
because they're so sure that they're right and everyone else

1150
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,760
is wrong. And they're they're real bold about it, that

1151
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,000
everyone is wrong with me. And I say, well, enjoy

1152
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,119
yourself on that island. It's a real lonely place to

1153
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:53,320
be the smartest man in the world.

1154
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 3: I'm not him. I'm not him, And I'm gonna humbly

1155
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,360
approach the word of God.

1156
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,079
Speaker 5: I'm gonna humbly listen to to my brothers that that

1157
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:03,719
are that that have lived a different life, that have

1158
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,280
approached the book from different angles than I have. And

1159
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,960
I do know that there is an objective meaning to

1160
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,079
scripture as well, like there there is a part like

1161
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,639
you know, this means something concrete, but that there are

1162
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,599
additional things around it, the type you know, like there's typology,

1163
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,800
there's typology, Like so there's you know, Noah. I believe

1164
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,039
Noah was an actual event, but there was a typology,

1165
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,719
a symbology that was being established because Christ is then

1166
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,000
compared to Noah, you know what I like. So so

1167
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:33,000
now we're going on to the arc of Christ. So

1168
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:36,280
I'm not literally climbing up inside of Jesus like this.

1169
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,840
So there is symbology that's heavily used in the Bible.

1170
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,719
The Bible does use allegory at times. There are things

1171
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,400
that it's like, Okay, there is a literal understanding to this.

1172
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,079
There is a real event that took place, but a

1173
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,039
lot of it there there is allegorical layers on top

1174
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of it that point to greater realities and beautiful things

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for for those that dig a little further, that spent

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a little bit more and more more time with the text.

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Some want to swim in the deep end, and some

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are okay with the shallow end, but the deep end

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is uncomfortable, and sometimes it feels like the wavepool you

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know at Schliverband. I don't know if they still that

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schultervand but.

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Speaker 1: It's like the Righteous Gemstones in China doing that the

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mass baptism in the wavepool and somebody flips the switch.

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That show is blasphemally amazing. I mean a lot of

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people get uptight and like, oh, they're attacking our faith.

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I'm like, no, I mean they are, but they're they're

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attacking that the Joel Olsteins and these prosperity gospel preachers. Yeah,

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I'm showing you that's how these people are.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. No, I think we we we at times take

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ourselves too serious. I'm a huge nerd. I mean you

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can see, like I even teach on Sunday very informal.

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You know, uh we're you know, wear my T shirt

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or whatever. That's you know, Calvin Chapels are typical, more

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laid back anyway. But I tell people I take the

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text serious. I don't take myself too serious, you know.

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So Jesus said, come as these little ones, you know.

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So it's like I'm a big kid. I'm excited when

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I'm walking with the Lord. I'm excited being being led

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by the Lord. I'm excited finding things in the Bible.

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I mean, I'm still finding things that I just taught

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something from Tewo Samuel the other day on a Sunday,

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and I'd read that passage one hundred times, taught through

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it three or four and was like, oh my gosh,

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there's details here that I never noticed before, you know,

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And so yeah, the hebrew says, the word is living

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in active. That doesn't make sense for a book that's

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a normal book. The Bible lets you know, it's not

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a normal book. And if it's not normal, if it's

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not natural, then what does that make it? It makes

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it supernatural. And Hebrews says it's a live and active

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There ain't no other book out there like it. And

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even when you look at other religious texts, the Bible

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is unique among other religious texts because it has prophecy

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in them. We assume those that aren't familiar with other

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religious texts assume that other religious texts are just like

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the Bible.

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Speaker 3: I eat the Koran.

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Speaker 5: They think, well, the Koran, that's the Muslim Bible, and

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it's like, well, but that's a very oversimplified view of

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the Koran. One of the things that it lacks as

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much as it talks about Muhammad's life and his teachings

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and a law.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have a lot of prophecy in it.

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Speaker 5: If any, there's nothing where he makes a prediction and

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then you can look through the corridor of time and

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space and find a fulfillment of said prediction. The Bible

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makes all kinds of predictions, and lo and behold, they

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all unfold exactly how the prophet said that they would.

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And nowhere is this more evident than Messiah himself than Jesus.

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There are hundreds of prophecies that were foretold. Now, Isaiah

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fifty three is one of my favorite places that, Oh,

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you'd think Isaiah was standing up the feet of the cross.

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He's seven hundred a little over seven hundred, almost eight

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hundred years before Jesus of Nazareth walks the earth and

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is crucified outside of Jerusalem, but you'd think he was there.

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I mean, don't tell me it's a natural book, that

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that's supernatural. God gave Isaiah supernatural revelation to let everyone know,

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this is how you're gonna know when I send my son.

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This is how you're gonna know when I send my

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anointed one into the world.

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Speaker 3: And you know that it is.

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Speaker 5: It's also able to be proven false, like if Messiah

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did not fulfill these things, then we should be looking

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for another.

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Speaker 3: We should be looking for another. But I think of

1246
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:35,039
was it Philip and Nathaniel? What is it Nathaniel that

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meets him first and then goes to Philip.

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Speaker 5: Or is it vice versa. I'm having a brain fart

1249
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,639
right now. But Ron Stemmen says, the one we've been

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01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:44,079
looking for is here. And I love that, you know,

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because it reminds us that, yes, that they were waiting

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01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,719
for a Messiah, and that there are hundreds of prophecies

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,000
that were going to point to him and Jesus fulfilled them.

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And it's fascinating when you look at Messianic prophecy. One

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last thought, because I know I can be long winded,

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but Isaiah fifty three is one of my favorite passages

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in the Old Testament as far as Messianic prophecy goes.

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I just saw a second guy, messianic Jew going around

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to other Jews and reading from Isaiah fifty three without

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giving any any context at all, and so he reads

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01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:20,360
it to him and then he says, what do you

1262
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,119
think this is about? He's like, oh, you must be

1263
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one of those Christians. And that's about your Jesus guy. Look,

1264
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:26,679
with all due respect, I don't believe in your Jesus guy,

1265
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,519
but thanks anyway. He goes, Oh, it's so funny you

1266
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:30,400
say that. Did you say you think this talk is

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talking about Jesus? And he goes, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: He goes, Man, this is our guy. This is Isaiah.

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Speaker 5: This is seven hundred years before Jesus was even here.

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And you concluded by hearing these words that it must

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have been talking about him?

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01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: What made you think that?

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01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 4: You know?

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01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 3: And he got really that.

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Speaker 5: You could see the guy start squirming because they're not

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supposed to supposed to entertain JC as they call him.

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They don't even like saying his name. But it's just fascinating.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 5: I love that passage, and I love that the Bible

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is such a miraculous book.

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Speaker 1: Mm yeah, man, well, bro, I ain't gonna keep you.

1282
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,280
I usually try to keep these around an hour, but

1283
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definitely enjoyed this conversation. And the main thing that I

1284
01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:19,440
really love about this, And if you haven't picked up already,

1285
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,119
if you're watching this, there was no game plan. I

1286
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,440
just kind of knew that we were in the same circle.

1287
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:28,119
So I made a thumbnail with you know, with giants

1288
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:29,800
and some of the cool stuff that we like to

1289
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,239
talk about in this space, and I was like, we'll

1290
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,719
just see where this goes. This was a really good,

1291
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,599
you know, just biblical, biblically rooted conversation about our book

1292
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,960
and our faith and some of the stranger things. I

1293
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:44,199
really really enjoyed it.

1294
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Speaker 3: This was just a.

1295
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:50,079
Speaker 1: Campfire conversation that just kind of rolled out here for everybody. Man,

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So I really enjoyed it. Thank you, man, No, I

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did too.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: And as you mentioned at the start, you know, hopefully

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this is one of many times I get to hang

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out with you.

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01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,719
Speaker 3: This was a great time. I appreciate you having me on.

1303
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,599
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm definitely going to have you back. If

1304
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,440
you'll come back, we'll next time. We'll actually pick us

1305
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:15,760
a hyper focused discussion and I'll put your storytelling skills

1306
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,400
to the test.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I love it.

1309
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,599
Speaker 1: Well, man, Before we go, just let everybody know where

1310
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:24,960
can they find your podcast, websites, any thing you want

1311
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,800
to plug. How can they find you and contribute to

1312
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:27,639
your work? My man?

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Speaker 5: Thank you well at the Dancing Toaster on all the socials.

1314
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:34,599
It's just the Dancing Toaster podcast. Like I said, it's

1315
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:37,159
a Ghostbuster reference. I'm on Apple, I'm on Spotify, I'm

1316
01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:40,000
on YouTube. The YouTube normally the episodes released a day

1317
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:41,599
or two later because I got to turn it into

1318
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:45,199
a video with stills and stuff. But yeah, I'm everywhere

1319
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,960
podcasts can be found right now. And oh I got

1320
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:52,360
to merch the dancingoasterstore dot printful dot. If you want

1321
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,639
to get some get some fun merged. I'm wearing one

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01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,119
of my Dancing Toaster drip right here, hanging out little

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01:03:57,159 --> 01:03:59,280
mascot in front of the Haunted House. Got hoodies that

1324
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,199
got the logo on them, hats, cups, bags, all kinds

1325
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:05,880
of fun stuff on there. If you want to rep

1326
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,199
the show, and if you want to support the work

1327
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:08,320
I'm doing, I got a Patreon.

1328
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:12,639
Speaker 3: You can head over to Patreon. Dancing Coaster real easy

1329
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:13,320
to find as well.

1330
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 5: Five bucks a month if you want add free listening,

1331
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:18,119
and I'm going to have some exclusive content hopefully by

1332
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:20,639
the end of the month coming out. My patrons have

1333
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,320
been they're called my toasties. They've been incredibly patient with me,

1334
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,679
trying to get some exclusives, but if you get early

1335
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,800
access and ad free listening over there too. So thank

1336
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,880
you again for letting me craft the party. Had a

1337
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:31,280
great time.

1338
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:35,559
Speaker 1: I had a malfunction there, but thank you guys for

1339
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:39,119
tuning in and hanging out with us. And we definitely

1340
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,880
appreciate you chat out to the chat. Appreciate you guys

1341
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,119
coming in and conversating with us. Man, love you guys.

1342
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:50,079
Be sure to come check us out Sunday at eight

1343
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:52,559
pm Easter Standard time. We'll be doing a live reading

1344
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:56,280
of Lewis Ginsburg Legends of the Jews and on Friday

1345
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,960
mornings at nine am at the Prometheus Report every Friday

1346
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:04,320
nine and get your weekly headlines and as me and

1347
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,360
Andrew dive through uh what lies beneath the headline, So

1348
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:11,880
be sure to check those live shows out every Friday

1349
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,519
morning and Sunday night. Well, guys, I love you, and

1350
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,639
just remember the difference between the known and the unknown.

1351
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:30,840
That is the journey. So good journey, my friends. So

1352
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:32,519
we steal the fire

1353
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: To wares Sell frozen by the lies passed around and

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they content brosday can they con