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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carmen. We have an episode today.

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We do we do. Arman is reading some paranormal stories

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by celebrities, which we don't do a lot, so mm hmmm.

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And then I will be talking about a true crime

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case that shook Mexico and after everything was over, they're

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still seeking justice. So it's actually very depressing, really, the

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case of the Bani Escobard. Oh, I think that sounds familiar.

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It should, because well I'll talk about Yeah, we are

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going to talk about it. Also, if anyone's not watching

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the YouTube or hasn't seen our social media posts, Carbon

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and I are almost matching. I have a sweater from

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our old merch store before we switch to the new one.

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It says Day is spooky on it and it's friend

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of black Mine is from what's our website? We could close,

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we could clothing something like that. Oh yeah, I was

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obsessed with them for a while. Yeah, me too. I

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bought you a sweater that's a CEO in hell it

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so much. I accidentally want it to church, not I

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don't go to church. Yeah, I almost bought something yesterday

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from them because I got an email that's out there.

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The whole store was forty percent off, but I wanted sweaters,

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not T shirts, and there was only one sweater I wanted,

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and I was like, well, I am I going to

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make a whole order just for one thing, you know, right?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was cute though, but I did forget what

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it's already, but I liked it when I saw it.

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But yeah, mine's serial killer documentaries and chill. So anyway,

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starting with the actual episode, before we get to the

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topics that I just mentioned before we talked about our sweaters,

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we have a listener story, and if you have a

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story that you want to sit into the podcast, you

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can email at Spooky Tales at gmail dot com. You

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can dm us on Instagram. You can call the Spooky hotline.

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The numbers in the show notes and that's actually what

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we're listening to. Oh sorry, one more. You can also

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submit it on Discord. Again, think is in the show notes,

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and so yeah, let's just listen to this story, right,

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hopefully I haven't done it before.

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Speaker 2: By oh my god, I love your show so much.

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I listened to it every day. But this is a

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like my second time trying to leave you guys as message,

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and I'll explain why in a little bit. I have

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so many like booky encounterers throughout my life, like that

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was the kids vainly like most of Mychael's stories have

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to do with like my ancestor. But I've seen like

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my great grandparents, like great uncles stuff like that. But

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I've also like encountered other scarier stuff. Like my wife.

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She never used to believe in like paranormal things until

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like she met me, and now she goes like she

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loves the office, so she'll like make them. Michael got

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joke of like I'm not superstitious, I'm a little fishous,

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and she'll say that it's because of me. But recently

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she was having one of her coworkers, and her coworkers

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whulsh like this ghost and how does she have where

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She was like, you don't scratches and stuff. As she

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came home and she asked me and she's like, have

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you noticed anything happening like that at our house? And

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I didn't want to see her, so I can't her. No, No,

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I have myself anything weird at our current place, but

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that's alive. There is I want to say, at least

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two basic sweet entities in the house. One of them

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is like it gives the feminine energy to me, like

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she feels very feminist. And I will see her usually

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like out of the corner of my eye, like if

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I'm in the backroom do my makeup, I'll kind of

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see her lurking uh in the door, like looking in

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towards me. And sometimes like I think, I think it

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is like a bit of more of a child like energy,

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because she does like to say hide and seek, almost

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like people I don't know sometimes feel like a presence

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in a corner her and if I acknowledge it, like

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I'll go like, oh, I know you're there, I see you.

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It's just like disappears, and then the mood feels lighter

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and everything kind of lifts. So she's she's chill. I'm

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okay with her, like she's fine. The other things that

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I feel. And I don't know if it's like the

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same one, like the same girl, or if it's maybe

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another entities. But when we sleep that night, like we

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have two paths and they sleep with us, and I

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will feel like my cat, one of our cats please

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like cut our at my feet and the other one

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thinks that my wife's feet. And at that time, like

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when my cat is coming into bed, like I feel

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her hop on and like I feel the pressure of

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like walking up my legs to go b Now, sometimes

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both of our cats will already be on the bed

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and I will feel that sensation again.

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Speaker 1: And it got cut off, But I think this is

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our listener that emailed it later with the mimics story. Yes, yes,

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because they're member the wife and how the wife is

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a little stitious now yes, yeah, and that email they

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mentioned that they had tried leaving a voicemail or a Yeah,

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that's our listener story. I'm not finding anyone. It was

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so cool. Yeah, yeah, it was so fun to listen to.

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And then I have one more. This isn't a listener story.

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This is just like an email that I'm going to

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share because they don't share a story. But are they

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just praising us? Yeah? Okay, So this was titled a

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Tale from La Republica Dominicana, and I was like, what

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do we never hear emails from the Yeah, dr, you

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just said it and I almost forgot. So it's from Juliana.

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She says, Hi, I'm a brand new listener to with

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Pooky Tales. I heard about your podcast from reddite on

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wiki which I totally forgot. We were on it like tweet. Actually,

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I had a lot of fun. It was so fun. Yeah, yeah,

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I thought it was so interesting since I'm a huge

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horror Friand and Latina, so I love the concept. Plus

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it's fall, so it's really hitting. Lol. Listening to your

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first episode about Lassie Whenever, it really remembered me of

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a story my dad used to tell me about Lassie Wapa.

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I don't know a crazy amount of details, but the

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legend goes that she or they, I don't know if

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it's like a species. It's a beautiful woman with long

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black hair and backward feet. She said to be so

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beautiful that men are drawn to her and don't notice

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her feet until it's too late and she's close enough

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to attack and eat them. I wish you more, but

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that's all I really know. Best Juliana, when she catches up,

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she'll uh because you have an episode? No, unless I

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think we mentioned her in some episode, and I had

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an episode on her, not fully on her, I don't

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think so. I think I only mention her briefly. Oh okay,

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I know. I have a TikTok video that's like a

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minute long and I'm basically saying the same thing Juliana

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just said in her email, and now she went like viral,

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and I was like, maybe that's random. Yeah, the most

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random things, like you never know. Yeah, our last hit

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was the Mermaid and thinkuch I knew was going to

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be a hit. I guess I didn't know that was

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so popular. Mermaid videos always do amazing on TikTok, so weird.

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Should we just talk about Mermaids? I'm just kidding. Maybe, No,

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we are talking about celebrity ghost stories. Yeah, That's what

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I'm talking about today. So first up, we have Juanis

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Juanas just can I just say Juanis? I loved him.

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He one of my first crushes. Yeah, oh I didn't

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like him like that. No, I like him and he's cool.

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I loved him in all the ways, his music, his voice,

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and I like it. I love his voice. I am

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not like I don't think he's like attractive, but doesn't

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matter because he's talented, and who cares if one person

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doesn't find you attractive, Like, it doesn't matter, right, right?

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But man, he has all the hits. Yeah, like was

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on repeat in our household. Yeah he has a ghost story. No,

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UFO siding U. Oh my bad. Yes, okay, let's get

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into it. So Kuanas claimed to have seen UFOs in

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twenty twelve, and I guess.

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Speaker 2: He wrote it.

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Speaker 1: First of all. I guess he has a memoir when

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I need to check that out. I didn't know that. Okay,

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Oh you didn't know. It's called Quanas Chasing the Sun.

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Speaker 2: He told me.

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Speaker 1: TBR me too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he wrote about UFO sighting and his memoir

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and he has kept talking about it in the media.

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So he said that he saw the UFO while on

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vacation in Switzerland, Geneva, Switzerland. Okay. Then in twenty thirteen

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he went on a podcast called Soundcheck. There he described

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the incident as life changing and said that he saw

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the lights and the sky that began to shift into

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different figures, and he said that was one of the

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most incredible nights for me because just right before that happened,

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I always thought, well, we're not alone here, definitely not.

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There's something else. There needs to be something else outside,

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and he's right, and that was his validation. And then

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he started cult no, I'm just kidding. And then he

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talked about it again in twenty seventeen with NPR reporter

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Marisa at Bona Luis So. He said, it was one

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o'clock in the morning and I was looking at the

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sky when I saw five big, big lights suspended in

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the air. At first, I thought, maybe these are planes

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that are going to land in the airport. But then

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I realized those lights were static. They started to move

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to the sides and were totally silent, And after ten

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or fifteen minutes, I realized that I was looking at

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something very special from another world. In that day, you know,

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my basis of education and beliefs started to change. Everything

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started to change for me, and I started to understand

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that we're just part of a great, big universe and

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life is more than we think. It is beautiful. And

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then he said, well, he told news outlets that he

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doesn't care reporters or others think he's crazy because he

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knows what he saw. And then in twenty seventeen, he

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also retweeted a video about an increase in UFO siding.

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So he's all in, I'm there with them, and I

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believe him, and I'm done with him, and I would

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take off on a UFO with him. Yeah, I would too, Yeah,

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but not about myself. I wouldn't get on the UFO

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by myself. Why not. I don't want to go alone

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with some creatures that I don't know yet. If you

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were with me, I would also go. If we get

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abducted at the same time, I'd be fine with it.

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a way out. I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah,

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everything is safer in numbers. Yeah, okay. And next we

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have a duende and ghost sighting from Jenna Ortega, who

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is Latina enough, No she is. I'm not joking. No,

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of course we're not.

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Speaker 1: Also like the Latina screen queen. No, yeah, yeah okay.

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So during the press tour for Beal Juice Too, Jenna

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was asked if she's ever seen a ghost. Jenna admitted

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she's seen ghosts several times she's but there was one

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specific group of ghosts that really scared her. Jenna told

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the interviewer that when she was a child that she

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would hear and see what look like chimpanzee ghosts living

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in her hallways not monkey ghosts, what the fuck? And

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working on a project that looked like a jungle gym wow.

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Finally start having fun. This was what she said. I

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swore that I was seeing ghosts all the time. There

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was like a family that lived in my hallway. I

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saw that there was a family of chimpanzees who were

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building like a jungle jym Wow actress one of my fams,

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Katherine O'Hara, who was at the interview of her, I know,

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I was just watching Shit's Creak too, So she laughed

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at Jenna's story. But Jenna was so scared that she

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she says she was so scared that she once ran

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into her parents' bedroom at night. So a lot of

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people think that these ghosts that she described that are

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like were small chimpanzees. People think that they were doing this.

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and I believe it. Yeah, We've talked about doing this

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plenty of times. But in Latina folklore, doing this are

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gnome like creatures that are known as protectors of their home.

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in the walls of homes, especially in the bedroom of children.

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casa and doing this are especially known to be fond

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of little girls. Oh okay that I didn't know. Yeah,

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like all little kids. Yeah, especially unbaptized ones, is what

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I've heard. My children know, My God. Also, the more

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you say, if you say doing this, you're invoking them,

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we don't want not welcome here, Okay, you're not okay, okay.

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And some Latina folklore even says that doing this they clean,

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repair and work at night, which might be what Jenna saw,

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like why she thought they were working on some kind

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of project. And then on a less crippier note, although

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I don't I don't personally find the one that's to

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be scary, But that doesn't mean they're welcome here. That

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doesn't mean I want to see one, so yeah. Jenna

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also added that she once saw her grandfather's ghost wearing

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an outfit that she had never seen him wear while

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he was alive, and when she told her mom about

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the sighting, her mom dug up a photo of Jenna's

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grandfather wearing that outfit that she had described. Oh my god. Yeah,

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And then she later said that her siblings knew her

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as the sibling who would see ghosts. Oh okay, like

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our brother Wow. Yeah, and that was the end of

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the celebrity ghost paranormal UFO sightings. How fun for us,

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Probably not for them. Well no, whannas love seeing UFOs? Okay,

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so yeah, I think the only one that really creeped

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Jenna out was a dude is not her grandpa or whatever. Yeah,

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but how cool? This reminds me. It reminds you a

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lot of things. So the duende reminded me that the

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only time I have ever been scared of doing this

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was reading the one the story in Oa by.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I still have to get to that one. That one

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is terrifying, Like I've never pictured them like that, and

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I was still fucking scared reading that story. The doing

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this story from whatever episodes that our friend Vanessa was on.

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So I think it's you're you weren't with us yet,

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you were, you were only guesting once in a while.

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So this episode was me MJ and then our guest

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and we were talking about the kids that went missing

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in the Amazon. Oh yeah, and then she also shared

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another one, the story of her own. That story really

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creeped me out. I guess it's just one of those

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things like there, I think everyone has a creature other

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like I wouldn't really care if I saw that. That's

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me with doing this, bro. Yeah, but I still don't

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want to see one. No, No, that doesn't mean they're

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welcome here. Yeah, no, I was gonna say that. A

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couple of weeks ago, I listened to aiden s Thos

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episode with Loko Radio, two of our fames, and they

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talked about this and it was such a good episode

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and the ASA said she so she had of one there. Yeah,

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I heard that. Also. There's like some stories and some

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stories are downright terrible, like in one of our early

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dun the episodes, I shared the Legend of Latierra, which

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takes place in Tabasco, Mexico. And in the story, this

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family tries to move into this farm and then their

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chickens start acting weird as fuck, and they're like, next

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are snapped, the chickens, next are snapped, Like first the

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chickens are acting weird, then the chickens and chicks all

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like start dying. Their next are snapped, Like someone is

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doing this. They go to like a qurandero or like

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a local you know, spiritual leader, and this person tells

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them like, oh this is not a curse, like these

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are done this you moved into the land of Duendes

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and they're reclaiming their land back land back, and the

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Dunde took the land back. The family had to fight

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in the dun this. Now nobody lives there. Nobody lives

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there but the one this, so that that they're scary

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on that. But then there's other stories that you know,

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if you buy like a little figure and you like

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give it offerings, then you have good luck. Or like

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if you leave, if you have like Drano and you

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put offerings for the one this, they'll do your your

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farm work. Yeah, and that sounds nice? Does if a

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one they could do my editing?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Imagine that. Yeah, I'll take you to my andishes. But

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then you know, will you be taking advantage of the

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one this, Like is it going to be you know

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that type of thing? Would we be exploiting them here?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But yeah that actually Jenner or Tegasine and not monkeys

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makes so much more sense. Yeah. Okay, Well we'll take

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all right. So, like I said, you only beginning, and

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my part's very depression. You shorted, So I'm going to

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be talking about the case of Devanni Escobard and so

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On the ninth of April twenty twenty two, a picture

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was taken that while would end up going viral and

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you might remember the picture as I'm describing it. But

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I'll also put I'll post the picture and I'll also

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share it in the on the screen here right now.

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But in the picture, a young woman is standing alone

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on the side of the road. The road is empty,

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it's nighttime. She's wearing a white tank top, a brown

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flowy skirt, in black converse shoes. She has a mask on,

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like a black face mask. Now her hair is down,

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she's got her purse, and she's alone. This picture was

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taken on the federal highway that goes from Monterrey to

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Novo Laedo, and this highway is known as La la Muerte,

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the Highway of Death. And I mean it's a one

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hundred and thirty six mile highway that connects Novo Laredo

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Tapas Monterevo Leone. And if you know anything about Mexico,

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you know that this is a really dangerous, dangerous area.

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It's like where the drug cartels are, like in constant

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like war highway. Basically, yeah, it's their highway. That's why

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it has this name. It's one of the most violent

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areas and so that's where she was this picture was taken.

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She's by herself. That picture that went viral that I

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just described is the last picture ever taken of eighteen

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year old Devani Escobar. Oh wow, and that's why it

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went so viral. But Devani Susanna Escobar basal Dua was

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born September fourth, two thousand and three, in Monterrain, Babo Leone.

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She was raised by her Theos Mario Escobar and the

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Lorees Basaldua. They adopted her when she was one year

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and four months old. They all lived together in La

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Colonia in Ramada, in Apodaca, Novo Leon. Like I said,

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she was eighteen, she was a law student at La

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Niversidad Automa. Then her adoptive dad, you know her dad,

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he was actually a lawyer himself. So she's following it footsteps.

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And according to her parents, she was kind, loving and pathetic, responsible.

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She always did great in school and she wanted to

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become a lawyer one like her father, but also to

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help women, specifically in Mexico. Just a few weeks before

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she went missing, she was at a protest for women's

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rates and against gender violence, and this is something she

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was passionate about, outspoken about yeah, to stand up against

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you know, the femicides, and yeah, one of the reasons

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why she wanted to become a lawyer. And so on

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the night of April eighth, twenty twenty two, De Bunny

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went out with two friends, Sarai, who she had met

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just three months before all this happened, and then Yvon

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who she actually met that night. They were party hopping,

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as you know people tend to do, you know, they're

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having fun. They're eighteen. Actually I don't know the other

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two ages. I tried to find them, and I don't

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know how old they are, but I think they're all

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within the same ages, probably similar. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,

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just as one does party hopping, just you know, looking

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for a good time. And there's surveillance footage of them

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buying some vodka at a store on the street San Nicholas,

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and so that was their first stop before they went

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to the party. They were planning on attending the original party.

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So they were at this party for a bit, then

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they tried walking to another nearby party, and then they

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tried to go to a third party. That third party

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was pretty much over, so they got a ride to

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a different party they heard about, and this party was

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in La Colonia Nova Castilla. The other parties that had

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just been walking to and from, but this last party

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that they were going to go to, they needed a

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ride to it. It was further away, so they got

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on the app Thedi, which if you've been to Mexico

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you've probably used it.

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Speaker 2: I have it.

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Speaker 1: It's like Uber. Yeah, So it was a d D

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driver that took them there. After he took them there,

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he gave them his phone number and said, I'm available

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if you need more rides tonight. I'm working all night.

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So basically telling them, like, you know, call me my number,

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don't do it through the app. Why, I don't know,

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it's weird to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Once they got to that party, after they were dropped

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off by the d D driver, that party was pretty

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much over. People were leaving. It was just it was dead.

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So they noticed a few blocks ahead of where they

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were at there was another party going on at a

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place called Quinta el Jamante. And this I think it's

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some in some reports or some podcasts, it's it was

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called like a club. It's not a club, it's a venue.

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So it's a public venue people rented out and that's

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what it is. So there was yeah, so much private

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party going on, non like a public club type thing.

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So they were heading to Quinta el Jamante. They met

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there with some boys they met party hopping prior to this, oh,

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like another night or earlier that night, earlier that night. Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

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None of them knew anyone at this party though, but

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they were let in and you can see all this

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on video of them arriving to the party, then waiting

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to be let in, and then then finally being let in.

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They stayed there until almost three fifty am in the morning,

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and there seemed to be some sort of problem inside

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the party with the Banni because there's footage of her

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running outside of the party and then like a young

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man follows her and it looks like they're arguing and

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he's like grabbing at her, maybe trying to take her

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back to the party. This is unsure because it's like

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video surveillance, like recording from far away and you can't

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hear anything, but he's grabbing at her and she hits

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him away. Then they're joined by Sadai and some of

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the other guys, and then there's her devanny and the

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guy that went out first, we're still fighting. Apparently the

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Bani bit him at some point, but like we don't

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know why or what happened. This was around three forty

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five am, so even before this, her friends would later

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say that Devani was out of control and starting fights,

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and that some people were trying to take her away,

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like to take her home because she was out of control,

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and Sadai and Ivone didn't trust these people, and so

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at three twenty nine AM and three thirty six am,

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they sent messages to that Davy driver that dropped them

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off at the party. They sent him a message, two messages,

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asking him to come get the bunny, to take the

466
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,200
bunny home. So after they sent those messages, apparently she

467
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,680
was already acting like this inside. That's when they send

468
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,240
the messages. And then after that is when she's seen

469
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,079
on video footage running outside and the guy runs after

470
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,559
her and she kind of hits him and writes him.

471
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:23,640
And then just a few minutes later, at three fifty

472
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,480
four Kwan the d d driver arrives. So I don't know,

473
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:30,599
I mean he must be working in the area because

474
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,240
that's like that's really fast. Yeah, So he arrives. Video

475
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:38,119
surveillance captures the bunny entering his car by herself. Her

476
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,640
friends get in another car that belonged to one of

477
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,119
the guys they met that night. And I mean, at

478
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,400
this point, you might be wondering why two friends would

479
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,039
send their drunk friend alone with that d D driver

480
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,279
they just met, who they didn't contract through the app

481
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,359
they sent him a message. Yeah, I was wondering this too, because,

482
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720
like I mean, I've had my shot of very drunk nights.

483
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,960
What's I mean that I you know, didn't know for

484
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:05,319
a long time or something that were longtime friends, right,

485
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,400
But like at that point, if you're in that state,

486
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:11,200
like your life is in their hands, right, Yeah, you

487
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,839
don't know what could happen to you. Like if I

488
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,000
don't have safe friends around, I don't know where I

489
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,680
would be because I mean sadly, I mean during my

490
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,400
time in the Army, I don't know how many times

491
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,319
I got black out drunk, like every weekend. I don't

492
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,000
remember anything, But I've always made it back safe because

493
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,119
the people that were with me to care me. Yeah,

494
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,279
and I would do the same once I stopped drinking.

495
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,400
And you know, yeah, and yes, I mean some of

496
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,039
your friends get a little violand but I wouldn't. I

497
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,559
wouldn't leave them. I will say that sometimes some people

498
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,920
get so hardheaded about wanting to either leave or you

499
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,480
know what I mean that there's nothing short of tying

500
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,240
them up that you can do to stop them. And

501
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,839
I mean that's true, fully know. So yeah, and they

502
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:55,440
you know, presumably they were young naive girls too, So

503
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,799
I don't know that's true. Like you, you hope your

504
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,680
friends around you know about it, especially at that age

505
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,640
when you're like drinking that much. But some people don't.

506
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:07,079
So that's true. That's good. It's not their fault. It's

507
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,079
the people that are out there doing right at things. Yeah,

508
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,319
well you say that now, but oh no I speak

509
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,160
to Oh my god, okay, I just want to fine, Okay,

510
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,880
So no, but those are good points to bring up

511
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,920
because those things are also true. Like regardless of these

512
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,240
two friends who just threw her in that deity driver's

513
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,559
car and were like, all right, take her home without

514
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,960
doing it at least through the app, I will say too,

515
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,720
like when it's that late and like everyone like if

516
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:38,200
I have I had a friend like that, I'm like,

517
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,240
I'm just going to go home to with them. So yeah,

518
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:41,480
it's like okay, I don't.

519
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

520
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm just going right, So, you know, I wondered that too,

521
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:47,000
like why would they do that? So at first they

522
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,279
didn't say anything as to why they did this. Later

523
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,519
they would say, oh, she wanted to go home alone.

524
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,519
It seemed like they wanted to leave with the guys

525
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:57,119
they met, and maybe she didn't want to and they

526
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,839
wanted to, you know, maybe so. And later they would

527
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,039
say it's because she was out of control, drunk violin

528
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:04,880
and they were scared of her and they just didn't

529
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,119
want to deal with it anymore. At four twenty six

530
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,559
am said, I received a message from the DD driver

531
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,160
and it was the picture that I mentioned, the one

532
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,880
that went viral where she's standing alone on the side

533
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,000
of the road on that highway that's very dangerous. The

534
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:21,079
picture was sent from the d D driver and he

535
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,640
told her that de Bunny was being super violent and

536
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,799
aggressive and that she just got out of the car.

537
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,759
He didn't know why, and she didn't want to get

538
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:29,640
back in. He didn't know what to do, so he

539
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,680
took the picture to show them she was alive and

540
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,839
that she had exited the car, and that's why he

541
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,079
took the picture. And sent it said. I asked him

542
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,079
to call the police, and he was like, well, I'm

543
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:42,640
not in the area anymore because I'm working, Like so

544
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:47,559
he just left and again I'm like why, Yeah, why

545
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,720
did you get out? There were so many points here

546
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,079
that if that is what she had done, got out

547
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:56,759
of the car, like something more could have been done, right,

548
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,920
So they asked him to go back to the area

549
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,200
to check on her, and he did, but when he

550
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,680
got there, she was nowhere to be seen, as he said,

551
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:10,240
And the girls said, I and Yvonne tried calling Devanes's

552
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:13,039
parents and they didn't answer any of the calls. But

553
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,519
it s nighttime, they're sleeping. Yeah, presumably this is not

554
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,079
the first time she goes out. What is it like

555
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,400
four or five in the morning now or one? Yeah,

556
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,079
like she you know, she's gonna have her fun. They're

557
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,960
not up worrying about it. Maybe at first they were,

558
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,680
but now they're just they're asleep. It's very late slash early.

559
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,400
So yeah, they never answered their phones. So and the girls,

560
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,880
I think they tried calling two to five times is

561
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,640
what I read like varying things that they tried calling

562
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,160
her parents, Although I'm like, why didn't they call the police. Yeah,

563
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,440
it is my other question among many questions that will

564
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,880
arise through this case. So they tried calling their parents,

565
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,319
they didn't answer. The driver told the girls that he

566
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,400
had offered to charge Devanny's phone so that she could

567
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,920
call her mom, and that Devannie didn't want to. Then

568
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,759
her friends tried calling her dad again, he didn't answer.

569
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,480
So then this is when they stopped trying to call

570
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,480
the parents. They also stopped, you know, communicating with the

571
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,079
Deity driver. This was now around five am when they

572
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,039
went to sleep whatever. When they woke up that same day,

573
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,599
they were able to get a hold of her dad

574
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,079
and they told her what had happened. That the Bannie

575
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,759
was left on this road alone, and that they had

576
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:23,720
received the picture from the DDY driver, but when he

577
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,519
went back, he didn't find her. And I just, I

578
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,480
just I keep thinking they could have contacted the police

579
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,799
for at least like a wellness check, like, hey, I

580
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:34,079
left her on the side of the road, I don't

581
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:36,440
see her anymore, can you just go check? Yeah, I

582
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,079
don't know, but that never happened. Once her parents learned

583
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:43,799
about what happened, they went to the police. Surprisingly, police

584
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,799
acted right away and they started a search. Let me

585
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,119
go back a little bit. The family went through the

586
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,960
Banni's Instagram like account to kind of repeace what happened

587
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,240
that night and the area she was in, and they

588
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,759
started searching that area and then contacted police and police

589
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,880
search the official search began, but the family was already

590
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,000
in the area trying to find her, and then the

591
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,440
official search began, but it was still it was very fast,

592
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,680
like that afternoon of the ninth, they were already searching

593
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,160
for her. And so once the search for her began

594
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,079
on this you know her last and wereabouts during that search.

595
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,680
That same day they found another missing woman, Maria fed

596
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,359
Nanda Gontreras, who had been missing since April third. She

597
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,400
was twenty seven years old. So they found her, but

598
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,599
still no sign of the money. And then over the

599
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,440
next six days, five more missing women, girls and girls

600
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,599
were found. Wow, on this highway alone, which is it's

601
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,920
just it's so sad and depressing and also infuriating because

602
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,559
it's like, well, who was searching for them before? Yeah,

603
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,799
they were IDme Ernandez Cruz, Jennifer Nicole almguer Iningrid, Guadalupe

604
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,319
Castillo and Irlanda Marcella Ramirez Martinez and they were between

605
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,400
fourteen and nineteen years Oh my god, so young. Yeah. Yeah,

606
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,119
I mean it's so sad and they just I don't know,

607
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:10,480
like I personally, like even from just this first part

608
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,640
of reading the details, and like when I was writing,

609
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,039
before I got past all this, I'm like, why would

610
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,920
the d D driver or leaver there? Like yeah, but

611
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,559
it's like he obviously didn't care or have her best

612
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,720
interests in for in the beginning. Yeah, I mean, you

613
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:31,200
would hope that a stranger would care, you know, but

614
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,119
I feel like the people close to you, like your friends,

615
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:39,119
have more, should have more. Wait, I guess I don't

616
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:39,720
know what the word is.

617
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: More.

618
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like they should care more, like they

619
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,920
should cared more have Yeah. Yeah, Like it's it's on

620
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:49,359
a lot of people, not only the friends, not only

621
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,119
the driver. Yeah. Yeah, people just they didn't do what

622
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,559
they should have done, right, right because at the very

623
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,079
least called the police to check on her that night,

624
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,599
and yeah, you know if they if the police didn't

625
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,480
and they waited, then okay, it would be on them,

626
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:07,160
yeah at that point, but they weren't contact you should

627
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,839
you should care and be worried about someone you see

628
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:13,079
in this state? Like I know we're saying like, oh,

629
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,160
like it's on them, like it's not about who it's

630
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,680
on and like to do stuff to absolve yourself of guilt, right,

631
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,200
although people do act like that, you know what I mean,

632
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,559
Like it is what it is, human nature or whatever.

633
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,079
But like if you see someone in this condition, like

634
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,799
it should worry you and something in you should be like,

635
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,960
oh I should help them so that they don't, you know,

636
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:39,119
get in danger or something. And that didn't happen here exactly. Yeah,

637
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,680
multiple yeah, multiple times. So I just shared the other ages,

638
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,480
which yeah, we're all super young. All five six women

639
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:50,480
that were found during the search for the buddy, which

640
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,119
like sometimes you hear like when Gaby Petito when all

641
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,839
that happened, was another three Yeah, I don't remember the

642
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,720
exact number, but yeah, yeah, other people were found. So

643
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,839
it's like it's just a similar thing where it's like,

644
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,280
why weren't they searching before? Yeah, But so on April twelfth,

645
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,119
twenty twenty two, the Diddy driver was found and arrested

646
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,480
but then released, so they like they're like, oh, he

647
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,119
obviously it doesn't have anything to do with this, yeah

648
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,519
if they let him go, right, And then on the

649
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:26,880
eighteenth of April, video surveillance from nearby businesses were analyzed

650
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,920
and they found footage of the bunny she was seeing

651
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:33,320
walking along the road looking for the first place I

652
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,679
was open, probably trying to find help. Yeah again her

653
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:42,440
phone is dead. So security footage from a transportation company

654
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:47,000
called Alcosa shows the bunny approaching the security booth of

655
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:51,320
that company at four twenty nine am, and for unknown reasons,

656
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,760
she leaves this building. So I maybe no one was

657
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,519
at the security booth, Like, no one knows why this happened.

658
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,719
It's just she's seen entering, she's seen leaving. She doesn't

659
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,119
go back to that area again. A few minutes later

660
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,480
after that, a camera captures her running into the entrance

661
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,199
of a complex of several buildings, which include a restaurant

662
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,039
that has been closed for years and then the Leva

663
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:18,440
Casilla Motel. And so she's seen running into an area

664
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,159
that opens to a garden and a swimming pool, and

665
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,360
no one knows why she's running like to this day,

666
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,920
that information has not been found. If it's known, it

667
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,320
hasn't been made public. But she is running for some

668
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,559
reason in this video, and it's also unclear how she

669
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:40,360
even got in this area because like so it's kind

670
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,320
of walled off, like the closed restaurant is back there.

671
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,360
And then and then there's a pool area with some

672
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,639
cisterns like water tanks. That area is closed off the

673
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,719
mold the pool and there's like a wall. Basically gotcha.

674
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,159
So after she's seen looking into the empty restaurant, then

675
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,039
she's seen in the swimming pool area, and it's like

676
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,199
she would have if she's back there, she would have

677
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,239
had to go through the motel. Oh okay to get

678
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,920
back there, because either that or climbed the wall, but

679
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:16,880
like it's a hard hin to climb. Apparently there's three

680
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,039
water tanks in the pool in that back area. When

681
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,199
investigators tried to get video surveillance from the motel, the

682
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,000
motel said that their cameras didn't work. They're just like

683
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:30,320
fake cameras that don't like record, they're just there for appearances.

684
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,719
That was a lie, it's the fig. Yeah. So three

685
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,079
weeks after this, they were able to obtain video surveillance

686
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:41,760
from the motel, but what was on that video has

687
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,000
not been made public. We don't know what's on there.

688
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,920
Separate cameras did see her approaching the restaurant at four

689
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,960
thirty six am. And then that same camera shows her

690
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:52,760
in that pool area that's in the back that I

691
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,239
was mentioning at four fifty six am. And again it

692
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,400
would seem like she had to go through the motel

693
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960
to get to that area because the wall is hard

694
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,119
to climb, and it's like knowing that, and then that

695
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,400
the motel tried to hide their video footage it it

696
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:13,039
appears more that's sketchy. Yeah, yeah, it's not a good look.

697
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,880
So with this new found footage, it was finally revealed

698
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,159
why the bunny left the taxi in the first place.

699
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,119
The car was in a taxi because it's a person's

700
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:22,719
personal car.

701
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:23,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

702
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,159
Speaker 1: The footage that was you know, found, It showed that

703
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,159
the d D driver was reaching back trying to grab her,

704
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,519
like fondle her. Yes, oh my god, that's why she

705
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:39,360
left the car of course. And wow, at first I

706
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,599
was like, okay, like I don't know, he should have

707
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,639
done you know whatever. But that's why he didn't call

708
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,800
for help, because he was just trying to take advantage

709
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880
of her exactly. It would have been incriminating. But this

710
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,760
is why you don't send off your drunk friend with

711
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,559
the man a stranger. Yeah, plus the fact that they

712
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,840
didn't they didn't get the riot through the app. They

713
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,400
just called him. Yeah, because if you get it through

714
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,800
the app, the app can look, we'll locate, we'll keep

715
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,159
track of where the car is, the car stops, it

716
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,400
tracks all of it. Well, that's why he offered his number. Yeah,

717
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,119
Like that's what they do on purpose, and why you

718
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:19,159
should not do that kind of stuff. Like sometimes I'll say, oh,

719
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,559
like I'll do it for cheaper, blah blah, But there's

720
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,599
a reason they want to be off the record, like

721
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:29,280
not trackable, you know. Yeah. And so now when I

722
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,559
got to this, I'm like, oh my god, that's why.

723
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,199
That's why. Yeah, he didn't call the police. Who knows

724
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480
if it went even went back to check on her,

725
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,239
probably not.

726
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:38,639
Speaker 2: So.

727
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had tried to sexually assault her. That's that's

728
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,960
why she left. He's seen trying to grow her breast

729
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,000
in the video and then she runs out of the car.

730
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,039
But he went and was like lying and like, oh,

731
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,880
she was just acting violent and that's why she just

732
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:54,039
she wouldn't listen and she just got out of the car.

733
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:55,920
But the whole time trying to make her seem like

734
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:02,199
a crazy, hysterical woman exactly exactly time. Unfortunately. Yeah, and

735
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,440
so you know, they have this song video that's he's

736
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,880
clearly doing this. But when her father wanted to press

737
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,519
charges against the TD driver, the police said that despite

738
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:14,760
having footage of the attack, they couldn't do anything because

739
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,679
the bunny was the one who had to press charges

740
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,559
for the sexual assault. I was going to attempt that

741
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:21,440
right now. Yeah, like you could impress charges on her behalf,

742
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:25,199
which it's like, okay, well she's missing. Yeah, And also

743
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,079
at that point, I feel like, and indirectly, this is

744
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,320
the cause of her death. She wouldn't have if he

745
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,719
just took her home, she would have gotten home. Yeah,

746
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,159
instead he I don't know if there's a leader to

747
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,039
sew her way, And apparently there was no legal way

748
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:42,679
to charge him with I was gonna say this was

749
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:46,920
probably not Yeah, their fucking should be because she would

750
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,280
have been fine otherwise. But that would open a sketchy

751
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,559
But yeah, you're right. Like I think a lot of

752
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,400
times when people talk about crime, they're like the buck

753
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,719
at them this and that, right, But like a lot

754
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,880
of times I think we need to think about, like

755
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,480
these laws would apply to everybody putting in some people,

756
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,119
you know, who would have a state and a law

757
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,920
enforcement with all this power, and people don't have as

758
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,519
much power to defend themselves against like things like that.

759
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,960
So yeah, it would open that can of worms. That

760
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,800
wouldn't be good, right, right for civil liberties for everyone else.

761
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,159
But it's like it's also very infergurating that they have

762
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,679
evidence of him trying to sell her and they can't

763
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,000
even press charges for that. Yeah, and maybe she was

764
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,519
a minor, you know, they could have maybe you know,

765
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,639
may yeah I think that maybe, yeah, maybe that would

766
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:37,400
have been the case. But yeah, she was eighteen, but

767
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,519
there's a certain age I think of teenage when the

768
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:42,599
parent when they had to be the ones that want

769
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:44,119
to press if I'm remembering right, but I'm not sure

770
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,599
it could be different. Also went to Mexico, Yeah, because

771
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:52,519
if you if you recall the case of Marcella Escobo,

772
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,239
they wanted to press charges on her former employee that

773
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,760
groomed her daughter, and they couldn't because she was like

774
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:03,239
above thirteen or something, and she had to be the

775
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,000
one to press charges. Yeah. Yeah, so their hands were

776
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,280
tied and her her like, you know, her parents are

777
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,280
seeing this and they're like, this is the reason she died, yeah,

778
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:16,920
which is it's tough. It's tough. So a team of

779
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,119
two hundred officers and volunteers searched this area for her

780
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,719
on four separate occasions. And this is also the same

781
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,920
area that her phone last peamed, right by the motel

782
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,280
restaurant area, and this is where they focused the search

783
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,000
for her. But they were coming up empty handed until

784
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:36,559
the twenty first of April twenty twenty two, and investigators

785
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,639
received a call from motel employees that there was a smell,

786
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,079
like a horrible smell coming from somewhere. Oh no, yeah,

787
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,199
So they searched the area again and the bunny was

788
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,719
found dead in the bottom of one of the three

789
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:53,440
water tanks, the cisterns. Why didn't they look there as

790
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,480
soon as you mentioned them? It made me like it

791
00:41:56,559 --> 00:42:00,199
reminded me of the Cecil Hotel. Yes, I thought of

792
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,800
that too. Yeah, I made me think of that. And

793
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,599
I'm like, well, like, why didn't they look there? Yeah?

794
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,320
I don't know. And presumably they did, I don't know,

795
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,199
or they just missed it. The lids were closed and

796
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
they didn't open them. I don't know. Maybe, so they

797
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,800
found her in the bottom of one of those three

798
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,559
water tanks. She was so badly decomposed that her father

799
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,920
had to identify her by the crucifix that she was wearing,

800
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,719
like the necklace, and then the clothes, like they matched

801
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,559
the clothes, and then later it was confirmed via DNA,

802
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,880
but she was unrecognizable. And then the autopsy found that

803
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,159
she had been there in between five to thirteen days. Really, well,

804
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,440
why do I think more time had passed? Yeah, And

805
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,239
they couldn't pinpoint it closer than that because of the

806
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,880
state of how she was found. So they said her

807
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,800
cause of death was a profound contusion to the skull, so,

808
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:54,679
you know, a really bad bruise. Really yeah. And then

809
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,199
her death was ruled an accident. I was gonna say,

810
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,079
if she was drunk, she could have fallen also, yeah,

811
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:04,599
you know, they ruled her at an accident. The prosecutor's

812
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,599
office suggested her that she fell into the cistern by herself.

813
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:10,880
Doesn't make sense. But there was no water found in

814
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,880
her lungs. Oh wow, So how do they explain that?

815
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,760
They don't? I guess the water inside the water tank

816
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,599
is three feet high. Oh okay, I was gonna say, well,

817
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,559
could they say that it's because she hit her head,

818
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:27,519
not because she drowned. That's rather it's no watering her lungs.

819
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,519
That is what they said. They said she hit her

820
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:32,920
head on the way in Okay, and that was the

821
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,480
cause of her death, and so when she died, she

822
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,400
was already dead when she was in the water, imagined

823
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,559
in the bottom. That's their version of events. But her

824
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,400
purse and bra were found in one of the other

825
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:49,360
water tanks, and then her keys and phone in a

826
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:56,320
different water tank. Is then more nefarious? Yeah, like, okay,

827
00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:58,760
if she accidently fell in why are her things and

828
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,519
separate tanks?

829
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

830
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. Yeah. Did they get them by themselves?

831
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Did they accidentally fall into Yeah? And her bra was off, yeah,

832
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,840
makes it worse. Yeah. Her family did not accept this

833
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,559
version of events. I don't blame them. I wouldn't either.

834
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,840
I don't I it doesn't make sense. And they had

835
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,400
the same questions for one dream, why were her stuff

836
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:23,280
in separate tanks? Why was she not found during the

837
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,880
other four searches. Well, two of the searches were specifically

838
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,679
in the restaurant and in this exact area. The other

839
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,119
two searches were like more abroad, but twice this pool

840
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,599
water tink area was searched. Also, do we know for

841
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:41,480
sure that they like looked insign. There was one interview

842
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:44,880
I saw where the whoever does the interview for like police,

843
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,800
the like media. Yeah, I was thinking of christ press.

844
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,599
The press statement is that it? Yeah, press release?

845
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: Is it?

846
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a press release. Yeah. So there was

847
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,519
you know one where I saw that they said it

848
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:03,000
was and if they opened the lids, they wouldn't have

849
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:04,639
been able to see her because it was so dark

850
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:10,800
the lights. Yeah, exactly, doing in the dark, of course

851
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,760
you're gonna have fun. That does not make any sense.

852
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,239
It doesn't It doesn't add up. It doesn't add up

853
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,079
at all. But then what is the What is the

854
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,119
point is because they don't want to do an actual

855
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:20,960
visation because they don't want to find out to choose

856
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:22,719
because they might I don't know. I don't want to

857
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,719
be too speculative because that's like people into gray areas,

858
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,079
like when you speculate too much, right, right, But it's

859
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:32,039
like I think if they admitted that the search was wrong,

860
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,280
they're admitting their incompetency, right, Okay, Yeah, that makes sense.

861
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,840
I think that's it. Yeah, I don't know again, this

862
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,400
is like I don't want to speculate, like I highly

863
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,480
doubt there's some crazy conspiracy theory where like they're covering

864
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:48,000
someone up, covering for someone, but it does these things

865
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,320
have happened before. I was gonna saying like it's yeah,

866
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,880
it makes me think of the Venezuela. Yeah, one that

867
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,480
you shared in a while ago, exactly that was. I

868
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,679
think you're right, I think so, but yeah, and like

869
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:03,239
you know, it wouldn't be crazy because to think that

870
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,880
because things similar things have happened.

871
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

872
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: So, But honestly, I think it's just that they don't

873
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,960
want to admit that they did this horribly the search

874
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:13,320
and they just suck as a police department. Yeah, that's

875
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:13,960
probably it.

876
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

877
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,039
Speaker 1: So the family requested a second autopsy, and this autopsy

878
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:23,679
revealed evidence of sexual and physical abuse. Then in July

879
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,480
twenty twenty two, there was a third autopsy done, and

880
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:28,960
I tried to find why this third autopsy was done,

881
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,800
and I'm not sure the family requests it. I don't know.

882
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,000
I don't know if it was the family or the

883
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,840
state trying to disprove the second autopsy. I'm not entirely sure.

884
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,159
But this third autopsy from July twenty twenty two, discovered

885
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,719
that she died due to obstruction of respiratory orphices or ifices.

886
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,239
I can't say that word. So something was blocking her

887
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,639
nose and mouth, so they never said what, but this

888
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,159
was the new cause of death. She was suffocated. They

889
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,800
also said there were no signs of sexual abuse, which

890
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,320
contradicts the second autopsy. But this also contradicts the first autopsy,

891
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,519
which said that her cause of death was the contusion. Yeah,

892
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:10,280
like they're all different. Yeah, So doctor Felippe Takahashi is

893
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,039
someone who did this third autopsy. He also said that

894
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:16,440
she died three to five days before her body was found,

895
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,519
meaning she would have been alive for a week after

896
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,440
she disappeared. This kind of matches up with the first

897
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,880
first autopsy that said she was already dead when she

898
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,719
hit the water, so there was no water in her lungs. Yeah,

899
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,360
but then it like it also undoes the first one

900
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,840
because the first one was like, well, she could have

901
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,880
been in the tank the whole time. Yeah, but then

902
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,719
this also kind of makes it seem like she wasn't

903
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,599
in the tank the whole time. There's just no answers,

904
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:41,119
no none. You end up with more questions. It doesn't

905
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,639
even it doesn't even begin to explain the level of

906
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,079
decomposition she was found in if she had died through

907
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,079
or five days before. There's more questions after each one,

908
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:57,199
like instead clarity, there's confusion, yes, the opposite. No, but seriously,

909
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,280
it's it's terrible. And so mistigators maintained that this third

910
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,280
autopsy does not establish that she was murdered, but to me,

911
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,639
it kind of does. I feel like it does also, Yeah,

912
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:13,119
because now they can't say it was an accident. How

913
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,559
does she get suffocated? How does she get in the

914
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,639
cistern if she was suffocated? Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

915
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,400
It isn't It isn't. So, but that they're maintaining that

916
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,559
it's not, that's not what it is. Her family maintains

917
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:28,679
that she was murdered and that she was planted in

918
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,559
the water tank after the two searches had been done,

919
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,599
which I honestly that I don't make the most sense. Yeah, Otherwise,

920
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,559
how was she not found that lines up with the

921
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:42,559
three to five days timeline? Yeah, but they you know,

922
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,360
let's say, doesn't say it doesn't agree. So on eight

923
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,239
prior twenty second, the day after she was found thousands

924
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:52,119
marched in the streets of Mexico, not just No val Leone,

925
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:55,000
but see that Mexico, well, Lajada, everywhere. There was a

926
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:59,039
protest demanding justice for the Banni. In Balone, they even

927
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:02,039
burned the governor's off I love when they do that.

928
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,599
I am not against it, I don't care to support it. Yeah,

929
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:07,800
and it's called for because yeah, at the time of

930
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,280
her disappearance, she was one of thirty one women who

931
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,320
disappeared or were founded in Voleon alone. And a reminder

932
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,039
that these murders, I forget the actual specific statistic, but

933
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,440
they are usually unresolved because of the all the impunity.

934
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,320
So yeah, sometimes they had the burner building down and

935
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,440
demand for justice.

936
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:29,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

937
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,199
Speaker 1: It's also I don't know, it's just it's so tragic

938
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,719
and infuriating to me that she herself was at one

939
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,000
of these type of protests. Yeah, just a few weeks

940
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:41,840
before herself. Yeah, yeah, it's terrible. Also, after her body

941
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,000
was found, they also found a skeleton in front of

942
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:49,119
the hotel. Unrelated, but yeah, what is going on? Where

943
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:51,440
did it come from? I don't know. I'm gonna find

944
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,519
more information about this skeleton that was found and how old.

945
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:57,639
Is it that it's a skeleton? What is happening to

946
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:06,880
that hotel? I don't understand. So, after the third autopsy

947
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,280
was done, the bunny was buried in her mom's hometown

948
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,840
of Galiana and El Pantheon Municipal, where hundreds attended her funeral.

949
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:19,960
In January twenty twenty three, two hotel employees were charged

950
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:24,440
with obstruction of justice really because they lied about the

951
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,960
recordings the video surveillance. Oh and these are the first

952
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,199
charges related to the Banni. Why lie? Like is somebody

953
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,800
I don't know? No, tell me Heidi?

954
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,039
Speaker 2: Like? Right?

955
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: They That's what I don't understand. What heard their business?

956
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:44,039
If they were like associated with it, I'm wondering if

957
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:49,039
you're only employee who cares? Yeah, So their last names

958
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,320
are not revealed, they're not public, just their first names.

959
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,000
So Anna, Luisa and Elida Urith are the first names.

960
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,639
And they were the manager and the front desk worker

961
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,639
of this motel. Dude, I would be so if I

962
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,800
was a front desk worker and my manager tells me, oh,

963
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:06,239
don't tell truth and then you get in trouble later,

964
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,239
Like I don't know, of course, I don't know. If

965
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,159
that don't happen here. But I feel like it makes

966
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:13,000
me think of that scenario because it's a front desk

967
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:18,920
worker and the manager like, yeah, wow, incriminated her. Yeah,

968
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,039
by giving her these orders. Maybe maybe yeah, we don't

969
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:25,039
know for sure where my hand goes, right. So they

970
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:26,800
were the ones who said that there was no video

971
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,760
footage of the motel property. And I keep using hotel

972
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,320
hotel and interchangeably. I'm sorry, is there a case anyone

973
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,920
gets confused? I've been saying motel and hotel, but what

974
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,760
it's been saying both? All the news sources changed between

975
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,360
the two, so no, motel was used more often, but

976
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,519
I keep changing. I keep using the too, So if

977
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,719
there's any confusion, it's the same place I'm talking about

978
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,440
right right, the Castilla. So they're the ones who said

979
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,280
there was no video footage of the motel. And when

980
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,559
there was a search done of their homes and phones

981
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,440
and they found their phones, yeah, phones, they like they

982
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:04,239
deleted it and put it on their phones. Hy okay, wow.

983
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,360
So they found the USB drives and a laptop with

984
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,639
video footage from that day of the hotel. The videos

985
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:14,079
are not public only the authorities like know what's on

986
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:17,119
them and if there's any answers to what happened to

987
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,880
the bunny on the videos? Interesting and maybe there is,

988
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,400
because they were charged with ascript obstruction of justice. Yeah

989
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,920
the last thing I saw. So they were arrestedent on

990
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,440
January eleven, twenty twenty three, and then I read that

991
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:33,599
there was a three month wait for the trial, but

992
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,519
that they were going to go to trial for this.

993
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,840
But then I couldn't find anybody when the trial was Yeah,

994
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:44,760
if it happened already, the outcome, I cannot find that anywhere. Wow,

995
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:47,119
So I don't know. I don't know what the deal

996
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,480
was with that, since the moment she went missing to

997
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,079
the moment she was found, and after it was like

998
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,519
what's the word they use? Media circus? Like there was

999
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,360
just yeah, I mean again the picture, the picture went viral,

1000
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,400
and it's like the last picture of someone before they

1001
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,079
went missing, Like those type of things always go viral anyway.

1002
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,800
But just all this, the more attention is being brought

1003
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,280
to all the femicides occurring in Mexico. So for all

1004
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,280
those reasons, it got a lot of media attention. And

1005
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,360
so her friends that were with her that night, they

1006
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,800
had multiple interviews which I listened to one and that

1007
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,599
was enough for me. They blamed the bunny for everything.

1008
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:32,239
I was gonna say, well, do they have regrets? And

1009
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,320
that's why I told you earlier like, wow, I'm just floored.

1010
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,920
I wouldn't even if that's what I had to say,

1011
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,960
I wouldn't show my face. I would feel so guilty.

1012
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,679
I wouldn't. I would. I would seek so much therapy

1013
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,440
and means to no blame myself. Yeah, for that night,

1014
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,440
And they instead were out there blaming her, say she

1015
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,199
was acting crazy and violent. But did they hurt fall

1016
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,000
about like that? The driver was like trying to grow her.

1017
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,599
I don't know. And if they did, I mean that

1018
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,079
was made public. Yeah, And if they did, they continued

1019
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:11,320
saying this. The driver did the same thing. He also

1020
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,440
had several interviews after he was released where he blamed

1021
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,000
her for acting crazy and violin and that she just

1022
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,480
got out and she wasn't listening. One interview I listened

1023
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,239
to were like, well, what about the video of you

1024
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,320
trying to group her? What about that? And he just

1025
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,159
sucks around it. He denies it. Wow, but it's on video. Also,

1026
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,360
that's not hers his first sexual assault charge.

1027
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: WHOA.

1028
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,679
Speaker 1: He's been in jail for this before. Oh my god, see,

1029
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:45,840
like people like that shouldn't be driving for a company. Yeah, yeah, no,

1030
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:50,679
that's unsafe. Yeah. Her parents are on video on the

1031
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,079
news africat when exactly it happened in like the timeline

1032
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:57,400
of this. But he her dad was like, I blame Huan.

1033
00:54:58,199 --> 00:54:59,960
What the hell is this guy's name? The DEDI drive?

1034
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,480
I didn't quant something for the longest time. His full

1035
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,800
name wasn't public either, and he's been he's not. He

1036
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,679
wasn't charged with this, He wasn't found guilty. They interviewed

1037
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,920
him and released him. Right, so Quayad something like that

1038
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,760
is his last name. Again, she wouldn't have fled his

1039
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,480
car if he had tried to assault her. Yeah, he's

1040
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:24,920
not blameless in this to me, which is why his name. Yeah,

1041
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:28,880
and the only reason no charges were pressent because she

1042
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,760
couldn't do it. Yeah, at the very least for the

1043
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,440
sexual assault it'sself. There seems to be no ties between

1044
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:39,119
him and her murder or disappearance other than the fact

1045
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,760
that she left his car, which honestly too, I think

1046
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,719
to most people would like, all right, isn't that enough?

1047
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,800
But they let him go for some reason, right, But

1048
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:50,800
her dad on video is like I blame like, this

1049
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,760
is his fall. Also the state. You guys suck. You

1050
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,159
guys don't know how to investigate, Like I've lost all

1051
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:00,400
my faith in you. And he's right, just right. And

1052
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,360
it's really sad because in the beginning, when she first

1053
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,079
went missing, he's like, I have faith in the government.

1054
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,840
I have faith in the authorities that I'm going to

1055
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,920
find her. You know, everyone we want to Yeah, everyone,

1056
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,239
Like nobody thinks most of the time, unless you're like

1057
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,760
quote woke whatever, but most people think, like, oh, the

1058
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,400
government is here to help me. If someone went missing,

1059
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,639
you would you would so hold for the best and

1060
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,679
help that yeah, yeah, yeah. And so now obviously because

1061
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,800
of everything that has happened and how everything has been handled,

1062
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,920
he's like, no, I have no faith in any of

1063
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,039
these anymore. And he actually tried running for I don't

1064
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:36,079
know what office himself. Really his whole purpose was like

1065
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:38,079
I want I don't want anyone else to be in

1066
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:39,880
the position I was in, Like I want people to

1067
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,559
have competent like leaders, but I don't know if you want.

1068
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:45,519
I couldn't find any information after that, but yeah, there

1069
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:48,119
was a lot of victim blaming, even from and it's

1070
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,880
no surprise, but like you know, Mexican news channels were like,

1071
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,079
oh well she was out drinking, Oh well, why did

1072
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:56,599
she go this and that, like blaming her. Her friends

1073
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,480
blamed her too. That's ridiculous. I can't even believe they

1074
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:02,039
d are just other faces like that and say that,

1075
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,400
like yeah, multiple interview at their interview, like I would

1076
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,000
literally I'd be ashamed. I probably, I don't know. They

1077
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,960
even blamed her parents for not answering their phones. They wouldn't.

1078
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,519
You wouldn't have had to call them if you didn't

1079
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,719
abandon your friend to a driver. You then assault in her,

1080
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,519
forced her to flee, and then harm came to her.

1081
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,039
Who knows how. Yeah, and it's like an interviews of theirs.

1082
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:27,360
They even tried to like distance themselves from the relationship

1083
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,360
they had with her, like you know, she's like, well,

1084
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,480
I only knew her for three months and then all

1085
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:33,360
the other girl I understand, she's like I met her

1086
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,760
that night once. It's like, you know, I feel like

1087
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,000
when and I hope it doesn't come off like victim

1088
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,159
blame me because I'm not, but like it's such a

1089
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,440
I feel like it's such a dangerous time when you're

1090
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,800
like in your party phase because if you get a

1091
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,519
little out of hand, like you had to trust the

1092
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,840
people around you to look out for you, and that's scary.

1093
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,639
You should you should be able to go out have

1094
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,280
a crazy party phase and be safe. Yeah, Like you

1095
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,440
shouldn't have to be afraid for your life every time

1096
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,639
you go out with your friends. Like, nobody should be

1097
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:06,039
out there taking advantage of people, and women more often

1098
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:09,199
than not women. Yeah, And I like, I literally wonder

1099
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,840
how I'm still alive sometimes because I'm like, no, same,

1100
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,360
I've done my fair share of shit. And then I'm

1101
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,840
like looking back and I'm like, what's that? No point

1102
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:18,679
in analyzing this?

1103
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:20,079
Speaker 2: But you know.

1104
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like yeah, like I don't. The only

1105
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:27,440
person to blame here is whoever did this to the money? Yeah,

1106
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,880
but man, there was so many times that this Like

1107
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:32,239
they could have just gone in the car with her, Yeah,

1108
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,000
Like for what for some dog ass men?

1109
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: You know?

1110
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,079
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, like I do this every weekend. Probably

1111
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:41,079
you don't mean anything to do them, and you're gonna

1112
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:43,800
ban your friend for that, yeah, Like I it just

1113
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,480
it would have been such a different story if her

1114
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,159
friends would have stayed with her. Yeah, and again it's

1115
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:52,840
not it's not their fall per se, it's whoever did this, right? Yeah,

1116
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,000
but man, just like I just think that. I'm like,

1117
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:56,920
I don't even care. If I would have just met

1118
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,480
that person that night, I wouldn't have left them alone,

1119
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:03,119
like we're going out together, for going down. Yeah, And

1120
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,280
like I can't stand like there's like so many posts

1121
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,840
on Reddit where they're like, oh, so and so is

1122
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,000
not a girl's girl. Like I just the term girls

1123
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:12,000
girl gets on my nerves. It's because it's been like overblown,

1124
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:15,039
like over yeah, you're blown, and like overuse the point

1125
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,599
where it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, but it's like I

1126
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:20,199
have to think a girl's girl wouldn't have left their girl.

1127
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:21,639
Speaker 2: No, no, no.

1128
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,639
Speaker 1: And it's also like I don't support all women. Some

1129
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,639
of y'all are dumb bitches like these two, you know. Yeah,

1130
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,519
I just like I put myself there. I'm like I

1131
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:31,480
could not do it. I could not leave someone like that.

1132
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:35,559
And like, man, anyway, So again, a lot of victimsly mean,

1133
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,239
and it's a real shame that that is what the

1134
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,079
state of the media is in Mexico specifically, is where

1135
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:45,199
I saw most of the type of coverage the case.

1136
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,400
It's it's such a big caste because it revealed a

1137
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,159
lot of the incompetence within the police department. And of

1138
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,559
course it's yet another case that adds to the number

1139
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,800
of femicides in Mexico. Yeah, and it just brings more

1140
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,719
light to the issue that is still ongoing. There were

1141
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,239
offers from like Mexican media to have a documentary or

1142
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,760
a show about the bunny and her father. When he

1143
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,119
was approached about this, he was like, no, he did

1144
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:10,840
it in such a like polite way where he like,

1145
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,719
he's like he thanked them for like wanting to bring

1146
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,840
light to his daughter and for their empathy, but he

1147
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,000
doesn't want to show he wants justice. He wants answers.

1148
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,360
And yeah, they deserve it at the release, they deserve

1149
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,000
to know what happened. That's no kind of proper investigation

1150
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,480
because yeah, that was a shoddy ass work right there. Yeah,

1151
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,840
and uh, this last Christmas was the family's second Christmas

1152
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,000
without their daughter. They released the video. I don't know

1153
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:39,719
if it's like a Joe like a Facebook page they

1154
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,639
have for her. I think it might be where they

1155
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:53,039
released this video, But they said the following premas they

1156
01:00:53,039 --> 01:01:03,719
went as vibras La passing the pass Benidero and seen,

1157
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,559
oh my god, I can't read Stevens. And then in English,

1158
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:10,480
it's a little difficult for us to live these first

1159
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:12,719
holidays without our daughter. We didn't want to send you

1160
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,960
a message of good vibes, but we do want to

1161
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,119
wish you, uh, that this Christmas you have, you're full

1162
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:20,679
of love, peace, and that the coming year is full

1163
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:23,039
of blessings for you. So, I mean, even in their pain,

1164
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:28,679
they're like, I don't know, so kind and yeah, still

1165
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,280
today there's there's no no one charged with her. No,

1166
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:35,360
let me rephrase. Still today it's not ruled a murder.

1167
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:39,119
I mean that's yeah, well that alone. Yeah, we don't

1168
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:41,119
know what was on those videos. The family doesn't know.

1169
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:44,760
They did ask that the investigation be moved from the

1170
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,119
state to like federal, so like Bexico's version of an FBI,

1171
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,360
I don't know the acronyms, which is why I'm saying, yeah,

1172
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:54,320
and that did happen, but I don't know what else

1173
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,079
has happened since then, Like there's no more answers, but

1174
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:02,679
they are still demanding just for the bunny, rightfully. So yeah,

1175
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,400
I mean, we can only hope that there's answers that

1176
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:07,480
they know, because I don't know. I feel like not

1177
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,480
like this horrible. The last minutes of her life were

1178
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:11,480
already so scary.

1179
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1180
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,159
Speaker 1: The least that they deserve is to know what happened. Yeah,

1181
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,719
so yeah, that was the case of the Banny. Yes, gobad,

1182
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,519
And we'll take a little break together ourselves and then

1183
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:32,039
come back with speaky recommendations. Okay, well we're back. Speaky recommendations.

1184
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:34,039
Do you have any I read a book and a

1185
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:38,440
library called The Best Way to Bury Your Husband by

1186
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:43,599
Alexia Cassel. Cassell, I don't not pronounce it. She's British.

1187
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh.

1188
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: I feel so funny sometimes reading British books because their

1189
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,360
English is so different. Oh yeah, yeah, and they learned

1190
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,719
a lot of new words. Let me find the same summary. Okay.

1191
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,960
A dark comedy about four women coming together to heal

1192
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:03,199
the damage their husbands have done and hide their bodies

1193
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,119
once they've killed them. When Sally kills her husband what

1194
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:09,480
they cast iron skillet, she's more fearful of losing her

1195
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:12,440
kids than of disposing of a fresh corpse. That just

1196
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,960
want to be fair, not after twenty years of marriage

1197
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,800
to a truly terrible man, but Sally isn't the only

1198
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,679
woman in town reaching the brink. Soon, Sally finds herself

1199
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,239
leading an extremely unusual self help group, and among them

1200
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,719
there are four bodies to hide. Can they all figure

1201
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:30,360
out the perfect way to bury their husbands and get

1202
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,599
away with it? First to join is former nurse Ruth,

1203
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,320
who met her husband as a single mom. Now her

1204
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,719
son is grown, and her husband's violence builds by the day,

1205
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,880
until an attack on the stairs leads to a fatal

1206
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,880
accident for him. A feudal's down. Samira's last straw comes

1207
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:49,960
when she discovers her husband is planning a campaign a

1208
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:53,719
violence against her eldest daughter, who has just come out. Janie,

1209
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,599
Sally's best friend, has just had her first child. At

1210
01:03:56,679 --> 01:03:59,960
forty two, sleep deprived, Janie needs a hero to slip

1211
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,000
the monster in the fairy tales. She whispursued her daughter

1212
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:06,280
each night, and as her husband's violence escalates, it might

1213
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,320
just be her together if youeled by righteous anger but

1214
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,440
tempered by a moral core. The four women must help

1215
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,360
each other work out a plan to get rid of

1216
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,519
their husbands for good. Along the way, Sally, Ruth, Samira,

1217
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:22,320
and Jeanie rediscover old joys and embark on new passions

1218
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,079
in work, education, and life. Friendship and laughter really are

1219
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:28,679
the best medicine. And so it's getting away with murder

1220
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,840
and wow, that description just kind of told you the

1221
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:36,480
whole story. It really does, so it's interesting. Yeah, so

1222
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:39,800
what description and the title and everything, that's what, like,

1223
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,320
you know, caught my attention. I ended up like grading

1224
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:48,079
it three out of five because it was just okay,

1225
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,480
but it wasn't like bad okay, Like some parts felt

1226
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:53,679
a lot like very drawn out, like I feel like

1227
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:56,559
it could have been shorter. And then it was also

1228
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,280
cheesy at times. But I don't know if that's just me,

1229
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:01,159
Like I don't know, I just find stuff like too

1230
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:05,480
cheesy sometimes, like I don't know, sometimes you do. Yeah,

1231
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:07,400
so that might be a me problem. I don't know.

1232
01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:11,119
And ratings are like subjective, you know, of course, like

1233
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:12,800
this might be a five out of five to somebody else,

1234
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,639
and I wouldn't judge them. The only book I would

1235
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,960
just somebody for liking is The Midnight Library. You know,

1236
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,639
I hated that book. I'm not going to read it

1237
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,760
based way too cheesy. Okay, anyway, so yeah, times is cheesy,

1238
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,400
but I feel like the story is so important, like

1239
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:35,679
about surviving domestic violence and thriving after domestic violence. It's

1240
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:39,639
such an important story to tell, and so I feel

1241
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:43,000
like the story kind of overrides the cheesiness and some

1242
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:45,760
of the boring parts. There were some funny parts too,

1243
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,360
but I wouldn't, like, straight up call it a comedy. Okay,

1244
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,960
it wasn't bad, though, Like I would still recommend it.

1245
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:53,119
I feel like the one like sentence I made up

1246
01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:55,000
in my head to summarize it, and I'm going to

1247
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:59,039
start doing this for books now, is it's not the

1248
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:01,480
husband's you kill, but about the friends you make along

1249
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:05,320
the way. Oh my god, that's funny. I like it

1250
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,559
sounds inspiring, Yeah, doesn't it?

1251
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1252
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: Okay? Is that you're only speak your comminition? Yes, okay,

1253
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,760
sometimes you have several so I had to check. It's

1254
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,760
because I didn't finish any audiobooks because the last one

1255
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,280
I talked about, Our Share of the Night, was so long,

1256
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:27,400
the longest audiobooks of my life. I want to read it, like,

1257
01:06:27,559 --> 01:06:29,920
actually read the book, so I mean, okay, I can

1258
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,880
still read it. I feel like, what's the audiobook like?

1259
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:34,239
Twenty six hours?

1260
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:36,039
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1261
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:39,719
Speaker 1: Okay, it's like and I know, buy like seven hundred pages. Oh,

1262
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:43,000
I like the fifteen hour twelve to fifteen hour, but

1263
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:45,480
that's a sweet spot. That's a sweet spot. Sometimes I

1264
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:47,760
read D six seven or one and I'm like, wow,

1265
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:51,840
that was too fast. Yeah, so yeah, like twelve hours

1266
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,320
and yeah, most of them were like twelve thirteen hours,

1267
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,679
I feel like, but yeah, I like three hundreds to

1268
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,360
three one hundred and twenty nine page hours. I was like,

1269
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,559
oh my that I can't that's a journey listening to this,

1270
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,679
and I was like, I wasn't tired of it because

1271
01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:08,360
it was good, but kind of looking at once and

1272
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,960
it kind of like put me off of audiobooks. I

1273
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:12,920
did start listening to them, but I haven't finished it

1274
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,159
because I've done anything for the past three days and

1275
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:17,119
I listened to audiooks on I Need two stuff. Also,

1276
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,599
I started listening to If We Were Villains. I've heard

1277
01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:23,440
that okay, and by mL Rio I think is the

1278
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:26,199
name of the author. I haven't heard of it. It's

1279
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:28,920
like a thriller, but I'm still listening to it. I'm like,

1280
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:30,639
I feel like I'm not I don't even think i'm

1281
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:32,639
halfway yet. I'm not sure. And I just started reading

1282
01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:36,039
another book too, on kindle on my kindle from the library,

1283
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,800
just the only way I use the kindle now because

1284
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,880
I'm like, I'm not going to purchase a book. Yeah,

1285
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:43,000
an evil and movies around? What book is it? What

1286
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:45,039
is it called? What is it called? The Love of

1287
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:45,880
My Afterlife?

1288
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:46,239
Speaker 2: Oh?

1289
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: That sounds cute. Yeah, it's like a cute little romance,

1290
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,760
I think, But what the afterlife tied into it? I

1291
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,000
could so see this as a movie. Okay, I'm going

1292
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:56,920
to look for it to place a hold. Also a

1293
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,920
British author, Oh what's up with you in the Britain?

1294
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:05,079
I don't know? Or since Australian wrong? Actually okay, I

1295
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:08,039
was gonna say if we were villains. It's not British,

1296
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:10,639
but it did. There's a lot of Shakespeare in it,

1297
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:12,840
so it makes me think of it. There's some British

1298
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,159
characters also in it. Okay, where does it take place?

1299
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,199
I feel like so New York? But after life one

1300
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:31,039
does Anyway, I'll talk about these like next name later, Yeah, okay, okay,

1301
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:34,159
Well I started reading this book called The Devil in

1302
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,880
Silver by Victor Loval. I saw I saw that on

1303
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:42,520
story graphs. Yeah, and I took a h each other. Yes, yeah,

1304
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:48,399
you're one one other person I follow. I took a

1305
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,199
screenshot and I was like, oh, I've like heard so

1306
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,600
much about his books, and then I was going to screenshot,

1307
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,199
and then I never did, so I'm glad to talk

1308
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:58,000
about it. I I heard it was an asylum the story.

1309
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,319
I've heard of this book, and then I'm actually, you

1310
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:02,920
know what, I've been wanting to find one because I

1311
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:05,119
remember got the Gus carried me so much when we

1312
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:06,800
were young. Yeah, and I'm like, I want to feel

1313
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,199
that again. So that's why I checked it out. I'm

1314
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,840
literally in the first like three chapters, so so I can't,

1315
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:14,560
you know, say if it's good or not yet, but

1316
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,359
if you want an asylum story, it has really good reviews.

1317
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,079
I don't think it will disappoint me. I really don't,

1318
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,359
but I can't say I can't talk about it because

1319
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:24,600
I don't know much about it. But it's a black author,

1320
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,640
it's a black name protagonist, Victor Laval. I thought I

1321
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,039
had books of his in my La V A l Ee.

1322
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,159
But so that's one of my spooky recommendations and my

1323
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:37,520
other one. I finally finished The Walking Dead, which I

1324
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,600
did an noow. It's on Instagram. I also made a

1325
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,880
poll like who is still watching? Who loved it, who

1326
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,359
hated it? Who just gave up on a certain place?

1327
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,840
Sixty percent of our people that voted in our poll

1328
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,880
gave up on it at the point. Yeah, I have

1329
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:55,680
a feeling that it was probably Glenn. Yeah, that was

1330
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,960
when a lot of us stopped. For so many people,

1331
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,960
it was Glenn. And if it wasn't Glenn, sorry spoil

1332
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:04,680
a Carl. Yeah yeah, so yeah. And then some people

1333
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,359
just never watched it or never liked it. And then

1334
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,680
there was like twenty percent of people who were like

1335
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,119
I love it, and I was like, well, you guys

1336
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:15,600
are my people. I guess overall, I honestly, if you

1337
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,960
like Zombies, it's it's worth a full watch of the

1338
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:22,039
full show. I think personally. There are some points where

1339
01:10:22,039 --> 01:10:24,800
you're like, oh my god, like why is this happening?

1340
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,079
But overall it's it's it's a classic. And again, like,

1341
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:30,840
nothing will ever top seasons one through five for me, Yeah,

1342
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:34,000
so good at the very least seasons one through three, Like,

1343
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:36,279
for sure, I don't know if I'm going to check

1344
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:40,760
out the new spin offs, I probably will, honestly, Specifically,

1345
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,800
Daryl Dixon and then The Ones Who Live, which is

1346
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,520
about Rick and Mi Shone because oh, I love me show.

1347
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,239
I don't care how much like plow armor people think

1348
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:51,159
she has, like, oh, she's just the best and she

1349
01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:54,039
deserves all the plot armor, Like she survives everything? Is

1350
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:55,079
that a plot arm means?

1351
01:10:55,319 --> 01:10:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1352
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she nothing can hurt her, and yeah, I

1353
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,239
love her and I know I want her to live forever.

1354
01:11:02,279 --> 01:11:05,800
So so I'll probably check that one out. I'm not

1355
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,000
sure i'll all check out the other one that has

1356
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:11,159
Meagan and Maggie because I don't like Meagan. I don't

1357
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,239
like I think it's reschotic. So like Vegan, because doesn't

1358
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,039
he like become good or whatever he does. He does

1359
01:11:18,119 --> 01:11:21,319
get a really good redemption arc that he deserves redemption

1360
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,279
arc under that. Yeah, and but so many people love

1361
01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:28,119
him and he you know what the show didn't And

1362
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:32,000
you love to love the bad guys. Yeah, I can't.

1363
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:34,000
I can even It's just he does get better, but

1364
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:36,880
I just can't forget what he did. I can't, So

1365
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,840
I don't think i'll watch that spin off. Dead City

1366
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,800
is what it's called. I did start Fear of the

1367
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,760
Walking Dead, but I hear out there. Season four it

1368
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,880
gets a little like terrible. Really, it becomes the Morgan show.

1369
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,640
That's when Morgan leaves The Walking Dead and goes over

1370
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,880
to Fear the Walking Dead. But the first three seasons.

1371
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,319
I'm in season two of Fear the Walking Dead, and honestly,

1372
01:11:55,399 --> 01:12:00,159
I just love, like all the Spanish speaking representation. I

1373
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:03,239
might watch just for that. Yeah. Some of the main

1374
01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:08,399
characters are Salvi's, which there's never Salvadorians in a show

1375
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:14,279
that's not about deportation, and they're confused for Mexican. But no,

1376
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,359
what kind of Salve I don't know yet, but he

1377
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,560
might have done some horrible things during the Civil War.

1378
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,560
I think it's the vibe I'm getting. Oh no, but

1379
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:25,760
it's the first time I heard Voss in a zombie show.

1380
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,000
We're like, come on, he said it, he said it

1381
01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:34,000
my favorite sand And then they go to Mexico. They're

1382
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:36,520
in Mexico. They're in a little Mexican village. It's a

1383
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,079
little cartel village. I'm not sure yet. I can't even

1384
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:44,000
escape up for cartel storylines in the zombie Buncle lips.

1385
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:46,560
We can't. I don't think we can. I'm not sure yet.

1386
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,079
I don't know yet. I'm speculating. However, it's set in Mexico,

1387
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,520
so you know, I gotta take my wins. It's not

1388
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,680
perfect representation, yeah, but it's there. It's there, And honestly,

1389
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,560
The Walking Dead, I think that's why I was so

1390
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,520
obsessed with it for a little bit, because there's just

1391
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,600
so many non white characters that are important to the story. Yeah,

1392
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,319
there's a in season. It's the season ten or eleven,

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but a new Latina joins the show. Her name is

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Princess in the Walking Deon. Yeah. Yeah, and she's like,

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they're like, are you crazy. She's like, uh No, I'm

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not crazy. I mean I have a DHD anxiety and

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depression now. Yeah, I love her. She's one of my favorites.

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I love her.

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Speaker 2: Is that me? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And then Drosita Christian Serratos, Yeah, she was my favorite.

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When I was watching The walkingdon my Latina zombie Apocalypse

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queen and I'm like, how does this bitch good enough?

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Fucking apocalypse for real? And I don't blame her. If

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anyone was to look good in a zombie apocalypse, it

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would be her. Eyebrow was killing it and I understand

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I'm not any here questioning no hair, friends, I can't

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even get that in day to day life, No, but

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she can do it in the Zombie a Pocalypse. And

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I believe it. I love it, and I love it.

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I din' question it. So yeah, that's my Those are

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my recommendations. I could go on, but I won't. I'll

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let you leave. It's all we late. I gotta put

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my kids to bed. He said we were going to

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do a Patreon Oh okay, yeah, before we go, there's

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some things I want I have planned for Patreon that

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I want to talk about because I'm not done obsessing

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over The Walking Dead and I'm sorry, So I want

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to talk about I want to do an episode where

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we bring our favorite zombie media. So it could be

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books we don't play, we don't play. We already have

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my favorite media. I won't say here on my way

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for Patreon. Yeah, and wait for Patreon. And I mean

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mine is not just The Walking Dead. There's so much

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zombie books out there that I've read as well, and

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so we're going to do that. And then we said

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vampires was the other one? Yeah, yeah, okay, vampires. Oh

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and then we should do just horror oh yes, yes,

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which I think is one of Is that one of

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your favorite, like chorus of genres, I feel like it is,

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although I don't think i've read too much. Oh actually

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I kind of have, well, not that much, A little bit. Whatever,

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we'll get into it. Zombies and religious horror is one

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of my favorites. Yeah, yeah, I think religious. I think

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I think I enjoyed zombies more than you. I enjoy zombies.

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I just feel like I don't like seek it out

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that often. For some reason. I had a phase, you know,

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when The Walking Dead was out, I was reading all

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the zombie books. That's true, that's true. Yeah, Okay, well

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we'll go because it's been this has been long enough.

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I can't believe I survived this. I know you kept

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yanning it, and I was like, you weren't dying as

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much as that other time though, Oh my god, the

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Quad Black Guid just powered through it. This time.

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Speaker 2: You did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you did so, yeah, I don't know. Watch out

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for a monkey ghosts that are actually the one that

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is in your house, like Jenna or the guy, and

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stay spooky. We'll catch everyone next time. Bye bye. A

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