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Speaker 1: You're listening to a classic edition of the Unknown Origins

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Radio show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts

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and spirits wander through our physical existence. Unknown creatures lurk

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and shadows, and strange lights and craft dominate our skies.

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Credible eyewitnesses are convinced these things are real, yet modern

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science refuses to acknowledge their existence, so it's up to

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individual researchers to search for the truth. Welcome to Unknown

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Origins Radio.

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Speaker 3: And good evening, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio where we

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talk about everything having to do with the strange and paranormal.

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I'm your host, Mark Johnson, and our co host Lauren

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de Pinto is not able to be with us tonight,

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but we're really happy to have our other new co

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host joining us tonight, mister Bruce Pearson. How you doing tonight, Bruce,

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Good evening, Mark, glad to be with you. Actually, I'm

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glad you're here too. I think we've got a great

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show ahead of us for tonight, and you know, I

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think we're just gonna get right on into it.

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Speaker 3: So because it's this hour is going to go quickly.

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So everyone, I.

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Speaker 1: Want to introduce our guests for this evening. They are

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filmmakers with J three Films and they have put worked

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for the past. Wow, I'm gonna guess you guys have

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been doing this for about three to four years now.

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A documentary film called Extraordinary, the Stan Romanick Story. And

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of course Stan Romanek is famous for being a UFO

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experiencer abductee. He's written a couple of books, Messages and

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Answers and of course the Orion Regressions, and he's been

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a very controversial figure in ufology and also one of

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the most intriguing and so our guests tonight are the

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makers of this film. I want to welcome John Semple

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and Jack Roth of the program.

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Speaker 3: How you gentlemen, tonight.

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Speaker 4: Doing great, Thanks for having us on.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: Us well, gentlemen, thank you for coming on. And you know,

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I had the pleasure of meeting your your third partner

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last year when Stan and Lisa Romanick they had their

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their conference here in New Jersey where they did their

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talk and uh give the representative was here talking about

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the film and I've seen the trailer for you know,

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the trailer for the film is is very powerful and

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I think it really sets up what the film can

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be about. So, uh, John, I'll start with you, what

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how did you first hear about Stan Romanick and what

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made you want to do a movie about him?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I think that that it's best if I defer that

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question to Jack. Jack was the one who actually started

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the ball rolling down the hill for us connecting to Stan.

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But we had Jack and I had started talking and

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it's actually it'll be five years next month that this

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started to percolate.

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Speaker 4: So Jack and I were.

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Speaker 6: Talking about doing some other projects in the in the

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ufology world, of doing a road trip in New Mexico,

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and we were on the path of doing something and

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documenting that when he was out in Denver for a conference,

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one of Stephen Greer's conferences, and I'll let him take

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it over from there, and how he connected to Stan's story.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Actually, John, we were talking about doing a documentary

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and I was out researching in Denver and I met

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the investigators who were on involved with Stan's case, and

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after meeting them, I literally spent the whole weekend with

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them talking about Stan's case, and they showed me some

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some of the evidence, just a handful of the plethora

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of things that they had accumulated over the years. But

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they they showed me some photos and some other things,

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and I was just I was really impressed with the

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amount of evidence involved with the case. So I remember

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calling John from Denver and saying, John, I think we

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need to this is the documentary we need to do.

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Speaker 5: And of course it was a long road.

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Speaker 7: We needed to first meet stand and talk to him,

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and there was a lot that needed to happen. But

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that's how we first. I saw some of the evidence

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and was really impressed with it, and that's how it

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Speaker 1: Now, I've first read Stan's books a couple of years ago,

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and then I had the pleasure of meeting him and

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Lisa in Gettysburg two years ago for the Phenomenology conference,

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such seemed like down to earth normal people. You know,

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and you know, we were laughing because they showed up

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at the conference and he forgot his suitcase at home

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and they had no clothes for the weekend, so they

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had to go to Walmart to go get some clothes,

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and Lisa was just chiding him, and you know, just

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normal everyday people, and yet when they have also been

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under an onslaught Stan especially the last few years with

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controversy over his videos, the things He've seen a lot

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of detraction, detractors, people claiming hoaxes. You know, what was

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it about the evidence that really pulled you in to

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this case and make you think, Hey, I think there's

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really something going on here.

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Speaker 6: Well, for me just to step back a little bit,

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Speaker 4: I've been open minded to it.

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Speaker 6: I've actually seen youfos when I was younger, so it's

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not something that was foreign to me. But the whole

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idea of diving deep and being part of the culture

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that is associated with people who are serious researchers and

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serious about the content, and a lot of that's available

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on websites and video and films and television. I had

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never gone down that rabbit hole until I started doing

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some research on this story. So I came at it

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from a more of a fresh perspective as a storyteller

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looking for a good story. And when Jack first brought

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this to my attention, I do recall Stan being on

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the Larry King Live Show and talking about the boo

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Speaker 6: My exposure to Stand stopped until it was brought up

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by Jack after he was introduced to the people involved

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with his case. So I had to go and kind

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of do some research, learn a little bit more about Stan,

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got his book, read his book, and I was fascinated

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by the detailed account of all the things that had

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happened to him. So, as Jack mentioned, we had a

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lot of gates to pass through before we were moving

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forward with the program developing the film, and one of

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those was to meet Stand. So that was the first

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step and had a chance to meet with him and

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his family and the people who have been around him

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over the years. And then we went back again several

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months later and had a chance to kind of dive

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into the evidence that he had. So through that several

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months between the first meeting and then actually pouring over

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everything that he had, we had to earn his trusts

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and we got to the point where we told him

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the type of story that we wanted to tell that

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wasn't going to pander to an extreme audience, but tell

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an honest story about you know, regular people like you

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mentioned that they are, and try to reach the widest

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audience possible. So he trusted enough enough to have us

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come and look at all the material, and that was

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a two by four to the head for me. It

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was overwhelming how much documented evidence, and after we had

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looked over everything, were there for a week, pouring over

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videos and reading through these plastic containers, just filled to

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the brim with notes and evidence, and it was a

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little bit overwhelming. And what I realized and seeing all

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that is that Stan is well known for singular events,

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and very few people are aware of the volume of

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things that have happened to him and the cumulative of

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his story, which we pretty much document from two thousand

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and two about twenty twelve, which is really what we

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focused on in the film, and it's incredible. It's voluminous,

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there is a story here that could be a ten

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part series. There's just so much evidence, so we had

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capturing that energy.

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I can, and just and step back. It's interesting some

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of the insights that both of you have just alluded to,

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I think really are what as a lifelong broadcast journalist

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and documentary producer. I mean this is not about me,

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but I started in seventy six and Roswell before anybody

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ever showed up and heard about it and was approached,

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have had this discussion.

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Speaker 9: With the range, breadth.

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Speaker 8: And depth of the evidence and the incidents that Stan

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and Lisa have gone through, that is quite unusual after

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thirty five or forty years of studying this phenomena. You know,

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there's a lot of folks that have one incident are

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monolithic in what they bring to the table. Certainly that

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is not the case with Stan and current situations. Aside,

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I think that it is important that while giving due

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respect and consideration to what is happening currently in what

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he's going through, I think that it's important to step

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back and look at the broad picture, and for if

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you look at the wealth of information that is now

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coming forth on a daily basis about the entire UFO phenomena,

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it's hard to find one in my experience, a situation,

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or an individual or two individuals in this case that

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have a greater depth or breadth of experiences across the board.

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So I think that that makes the case in and

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of itself worth documenting. And Mark and I, you know,

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standing Lis have gotten to be good friends. As matter

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of fact, I am c the event up here in

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Clinton last spring, just about a year ago. They you know,

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I let have them stay at the house. They are

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very decent, good people my mind. And so we'll go

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on with the conversation. But I think it's important for

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the listeners to understand that this is not, if you will,

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and none of mar but the run of the mill

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one incident scenario. This this really runs the gamut about

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just about every facet that we're aware of in terms

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of ufology is encompassed in this. And I applaud you

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guys for taking the time to do it properly and

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and do the research properly and give it a fair hearing,

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because I think it's important despite what may come down

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the road or what they're going through right now, which

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very that's really well put. If I can

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Speaker 7: I think going back to the to the evidence, some

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of the things that are so impressive about it, not

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only the breath of it, but also when you have

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PhDs from various disciplines who are looking at certain elements

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of the case and then you're talking to them and

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there is no way that Stan Roman it could have

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written these equations or you know what, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, they're just it's when.

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Speaker 7: Something is that compelling, I think it's just it's like

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you said, it's it's worth looking into, and it's worth

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at least sharing that information in an objective way because

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it really is profound, and I think that's what we were

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faced with and we were looking at You're right again,

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what you mentioned so many elements of the UFO slash

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alien abduction phenomena that goes from the seeing a strange

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the first, second, third, fourth kind, and it goes through

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the entire scope of that. So I just wanted to

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add that as well, that it's it's.

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Speaker 4: As well as paranormal stuff too. It's everything. It's a

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the more impressive pieces of evidence that

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equations and how the equations came about, where he just

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because they're so advanced. And here you have Stan who

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Speaker 6: Yeah, doctor Claude Swanson has been analyzing those on behalf of.

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interviewing him, and we could do an entire film just

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on his analysis and the things.

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Speaker 4: That he talked about that.

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about not just what he's discovered, but how the equations

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that Stan has written equate to research that's been happening

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since the nineteen twenties in alternative physics, and they line

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up very much with these thinkers starting all the way

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back to the twenties and moving up through al Qubier

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in the nineteen nineties. And he's talking specifically about there's

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something here that's leading us to a different interpretation from

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Einstein physics, and that's something that the public might not

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be prepared to understand, or the scientific community might not

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be prepared to understand. But there are alternative theories out

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there for a lot of different things, and just because

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one is accepted doesn't mean some of the alternative ones

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are not. So this is one of the things I

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think it's important about it when you have scientists for

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studying something and have been studying stand specific equations for

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a decade and think there's something very important there that's compelling.

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Speaker 8: I'd like to jump in on that, but I'd first

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like to say at the we're at the quarter past

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the hour that you're listening to Unknown Origins Radio with

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Mark Johnson and Bruce Pearson, and our guests this evening

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are John Sumple and Jack Roth to discuss their latest

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endeavor and in depth documentary on Stan and Lisa Romanek

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and the Romanec case. I was invited out to the

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regression session out at the Sunrise Ranch in Loveland about

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just about a year ago last month, and that was

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an amazing experience. Actually, Jimi Mussan flew off from Mexico

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City UH to be there also, and.

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Speaker 9: We were the only two journalists there UH.

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Speaker 8: And I had the opportunity, and the reason I bring

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this up is the opportunity to have lunch with doctor Swanson.

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much to eat eat because it was an eye opener

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to hear him explain how as you said, these are

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non traditional theories, and he said, there was a little

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bit of chaff in there with the wheat. But it's interesting.

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I ran into a physicist last weekend, last Friday night

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with the all the speakers at the New Jersey UFO

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conference at Dave Stonett's house in Hamilton, New Jersey, and

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there was a gentleman there who who said he was

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a physicist, and he went out of his way to

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to downplay stands, equations and so forth, and said, well,

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it's it's all you know, there's not a lot to it,

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and there's there was a lot of misinformation there. I'm

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you know, it's interesting, as you said, how mainstream and

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how mainstream science.

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Speaker 9: Quote unquote.

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Speaker 8: Really gets its you know, backs up to the wall

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when when anybody questions the the party line. And but

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I was very impressed with Claude's explanation For a layperson,

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I'm obviously not a theoretical physicist, so this is the

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kind of thing that you know, the four of us,

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I would say, I would venture to say, are not

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able to memorize and put down on paper. And certainly

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I think that it would be quite a task for

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myself to memorize that stuff and put it in magic

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mark or crayon on the bedroom wall.

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Speaker 9: In the middle of the night.

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Speaker 8: So that's just a phenomenal example of some of the

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validity that that is attached to this scenario.

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Speaker 9: With standing.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's one of the things that we did with

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the film, too, is that we wanted to tell the

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story in a way that would really engage people. And

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a traditional storyline has an arc that takes you on

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a journey and it kind of builds up to a peak,

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and then there's the climax and a little bit of

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a de neumon kind of takes you through a story.

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Speaker 4: And we could have done that, we could.

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Speaker 6: Have done the timeline, but we felt that it was

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going to be more compelling if we literally beat the

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viewer over the head with evidence. For the first act

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of the film, which is twenty seven to twenty eight

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minutes long, the first twenty eight minutes of the film,

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it is nothing but evidence after evidence after evidence, no

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dialogue other than you know what's on the video. So

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the first third of the film is nothing but evidence,

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and it's not all of it. It's just we just

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scratched the surface with some of the things that are

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the most I think profound and visually easy to present

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in a film format. It's overwhelming. And in the middle

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of the film is Stan and Lisa. We want to

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show the world at Stan and Lisa are normal, average,

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everyday ordinary people that have been exposed to extraordinary circumstances

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in their journey in being ordinary people, and how they

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deal with it in an emotional, uh mental and physical way.

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What what that? What their lives have been like? And

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then the third act and final setup of the film

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is the validation from the experts. So we were pretty

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convinced that by the time people are finished watching this,

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they're going to walk away from it, and even if they.

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Speaker 4: Don't believe in UFOs.

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Speaker 6: They're going to believe one that Stan and Lisa do.

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And if they can put that in the back of

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their minds, it starts a conversation that they probably wouldn't

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have had before.

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Speaker 1: In the past few years that you've been working on

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this film, Uh, you know you have, You've come across

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some delays with the film as well and running into

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some obstacles. I know that that Stan has had issues

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again currently what he's currently going through, which it seems

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like a form of harassment in.

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Speaker 3: A lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Uh, the these trumped up charges on him to to

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shut him up or quiet him up.

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Speaker 3: You know, what is your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 1: Have you run into any types of blocking in your

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efforts to get this film out?

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Speaker 4: Jack? You want to take that sure?

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Speaker 7: I think that over the course of the last four

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or five years we've had we've had some interesting things

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happen to us.

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Speaker 5: And one of the things that.

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Speaker 7: You know, as filmmakers, you know, we we have a

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budget for this and and we really needed to you know,

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try to find some investors to to help with to help.

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Speaker 5: Us make this and make it happen.

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Speaker 7: And it's interesting how we we'd have people become very

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interested in this and then for some reason they would

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just back out and and it just it took a

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long time. It took a long time to really muster

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the right group of people to get them together in

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order to make this happen. And I think that you know,

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we've had personally John and I as well as some

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of the other people who have been associated with the

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making of the film, have had strange things happen to us.

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And you know that that goes from everything from you know,

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strange phone calls and things like that. But you know,

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it's it's a strange rabbit hole that you go down

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when you get involved in things like this. And what's

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funny is when we first started, Stan told us, he said,

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are you ready for this? And at first we're like,

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of course, we're ready for this. We're filmmakers, we're you know,

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we're journalists, we're you know, yeah, we're ready. No, he goes,

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are you ready for what might happen to you personally?

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Because people who get involved in this things happen, and uh,

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we were ready for that. We were definitely ready to

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take take that risk because we thought the story was uh,

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it's it was too important not to do and we

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wanted to make sure that we somehow, whatever it took,

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that we got it done, because again, we just wanted

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to get the information out there.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And again, you know, obviously some of the things that

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are going on now, I think Stan at Lisa had

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been harassed for for a very long time.

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Speaker 5: Uh and in many ways.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And some of this is documented in the documentary, but

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they're they've they've gone through a lot with with certain

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parties harassing them. And again, you can never really be

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sure who's doing it, and that's part of the enigma.

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And uh, but I think hopefully that answers your question.

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I think there you know, it's just again it's it's

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it's a rabbit hole that you go down that you

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never quite you don't really quite come out of it

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all all the way.

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Speaker 5: It's it's a very interesting Once you're in it, you're

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in it.

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Speaker 1: And that is another one of the aspects of Stan's

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case that a lot of the detractors have not been

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able to debunk is the fact that these aren't isolated incidents.

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If it's one thing to hear to have a person saying, oh, yes,

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this happens to me, No nobody else witnessed it. It's

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another to have multiple witnesses around Stan and Lisa experiencing

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everything from UFO sidings in broad daylight, especially when they

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go to some of the conferences and people all around

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have a multiple UFO siding with stand there to experiencing

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aspects of high strangeness being contacted by some of these

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other entities or whatever you want to call it that

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use the Audrey voice. And you know, ironically, Bruce, you

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actually had your.

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Speaker 3: Name used in one of those Audrey voices once.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, uh it's a bit odd. Uh.

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Speaker 8: When I got a call from from Mark Leone, uh

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it was very short notice. He said, listen, I'd like

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to ask you to come out and cover an event.

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Speaker 9: He was very close to the vest on what it was.

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Speaker 8: He said, look, just trust me, and it was a

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basic drop and drop everything and uh, you know, put

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this together and I'll meet you. You know, I'll pick

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you up. We'll head to Newark Airport and off to

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Denver we go. In any event, I said, well, you know.

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He said, look, it's important that you be there, and

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I thought, well, thank you for the compliment, but I'm

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sure there's other people that could cover it. Uh. But

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but he said, no, listen, I want want you to

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hear something. And in fact, he played this Audrey tape

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and there was my name on it, So that in

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and of itself is not conclusive evidence of anything.

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Speaker 6: I was going to say, we could speak to that,

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because we've actually had Audrey calls directly to us, and

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I've had I had one that called me up and

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specifically addressed me by name, and that's one of those

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things that when that happens to you. Even though Stan

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warned us and we had already had several different Audrey

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interactions prior to that, where we were on conference calls

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and the voice would break through and start talking to us, right,

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I have to admit the first time that that happened,

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Stan wasn't on the phone with us, and we were

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kind of like, okay, where did that come from? And

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then the next time Stan was on the call, So

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my first thought.

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Speaker 4: Was is Stan doing this? You know, he could be

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doing it.

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Speaker 6: Maybe he's doing it. And so this was before we

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had even met him. We were still in the early

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stages and there was the intervention, and basically the message was,

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this is something that you need to do. You're here

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for a purpose to help Stan get this out. It's important,

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it's timely. Although that part didn't work out to be

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too too true because that was almost four and a

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half years ago. But when you hear your name and Jack,

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and the two times that Jack and I have been

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pulled together, we've been on phone calls with each other,

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or actually, you know, the two times were that we

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were connected by a phone call. I didn't call him,

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he didn't call me. Our phone was ringing, and it

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showed that our home phone was calling us. And whenever

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your home phone calls you on your cell phone, you're

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pretty sure that you're getting a call you weren't expected

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to get.

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Speaker 9: Precisely what yeah, Mark said, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So we got connected and then the voice

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comes on and talks to us. We've never really been threatened.

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There was one time with it. We were told to

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be cautious. Don't be afraid. They're watching you, they're observing you,

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they're aware of what you're doing. Just be you know,

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go about your business. Be safe, we're here kind of

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like supporting you. So when you get one of those

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and you're you're out and about running errands on a

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Saturday morning, your hair stands up on the back of

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your neck and you're thinking, Okay, what have I got

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myself into?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's.

482
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Speaker 1: It has to be odd to get one of these calls.

483
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,039
And then what goes through your head and thinking who

484
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,759
is sending this? Is this, you know, a hacker, somebody

485
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,880
who's tapping into my phone lines or my computer in

486
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:22,200
order to you know, using a computer generated voice, because

487
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,119
I think they were. That's why they call it Audrey.

488
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,640
It really is a patented computer generated voice, the synthetic

489
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,119
voice called Audrey. Just like if you have your GPS system,

490
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,480
you can program in several voices, and I think Audrey

491
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:36,519
might even be one of them.

492
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Speaker 3: It is.

493
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Speaker 4: So.

494
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Speaker 6: I have a relative that worked in the phone industry

495
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,960
for thirty years, and I contacted him a few years

496
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,799
back and asked him.

497
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Speaker 4: I gave him the scenario.

498
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Speaker 6: The first time I was on a conference call on

499
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:55,640
my cell phone with someone who is on a landline phone.

500
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So at the conference call was me in Seattle, someone

501
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,319
in la someone in Flora, and someone in New Jersey.

502
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,960
And while I was on that call, I got a

503
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call from my home phone. And I'm sitting in my

504
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,519
living room while I'm on this phone call, and I

505
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:10,559
know it's not my home phone. So this was the

506
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first time I wasn't aware that this was the process.

507
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Speaker 4: And I answered the phone.

508
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Speaker 6: There was nothing there, because I decided just kind of

509
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,200
tap in because I was listening on the call, and

510
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,759
nothing happened. So then actually I was on my home

511
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,000
phone on the conference call, and I was getting a

512
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,359
phone on my cell phone, a call on my cell phone,

513
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,119
which was kind of like, Okay, how is that happening.

514
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,119
I'm on my home phone on a conference call, how

515
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,000
can it be calling me?

516
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 4: So I stepped aside, listened in. There was nothing there,

517
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hung up.

518
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,119
Speaker 6: Two minutes later, the same thing happened, and I listened

519
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,759
in and I heard a couple of clicks, and I

520
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,599
thought I was going to hear the operator voice recording

521
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,519
come on and say please hang up and dial again,

522
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,480
type of thing. But then it connected me to stand

523
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,200
and I hear Stan on the other hand, hello, and

524
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I'm like, hello, who's this.

525
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,519
Speaker 4: And he said, this is Stan. You know, I'm like, oh,

526
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:58,759
did you call me? He goes, no, did you call me?

527
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:01,039
Speaker 6: So that was the first time that happened, and then

528
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:04,759
it connected someone who was on someone who's on a

529
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:06,960
cell phone, someone who's on a landline phone, someone who's

530
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,079
on a cable phone call, and another person on a

531
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:12,839
cell phone. So when I talked through the person at

532
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:19,240
the the phone company said, to connect all those different

533
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,759
channels together, pull all of those together in a phone

534
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,359
call can be done, but it would have to be

535
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,119
by somebody who was a high level person within either

536
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,759
the phone company or the government.

537
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,039
Speaker 4: He said.

538
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,599
Speaker 6: The fact that you pulled together a landline, cell phone,

539
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,559
and cable phone number all together on the same call

540
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,799
is almost impossible to do.

541
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 4: He said. It can be done, but.

542
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Speaker 6: He said it's not going to happen by somebody who

543
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,559
is working in their living room on a phone. He

544
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:50,079
said they'd have to know their way to navigate around

545
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:50,799
the phone system.

546
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,839
Speaker 4: So there was some.

547
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,079
Speaker 6: Validation there who wanted to make sure that this isn't

548
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:58,599
something that was easily replicated in someone's living room, but sold.

549
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:00,440
It would be very, very difficult to do, but it

550
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,319
can be done, and most likely would have to be

551
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:04,400
done by someone who is a high level person within

552
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,960
the phone company or within the government.

553
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: Wow, real quick, I just want to mention you're listening

554
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,720
to Unknown Origins Radio with Mark Johnson and Bruce Pearson,

555
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,839
and our guests tonight are the filmmakers of the new

556
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,839
documentary film Extraordinary, the Stan Roman Neck Story. We're talking

557
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,119
with Jack Roth and John Sumple, and you're talking about

558
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,359
these phone calls. You know, I have to bring it

559
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:30,960
up Bruce.

560
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:36,599
Speaker 3: You know. Bruce's yeah, he's.

561
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,839
Speaker 1: Had these phone calls too, because of his own sightings

562
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,200
that he's had in the past. And you know, it's

563
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,079
I think I'm the only one probably here who hasn't

564
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:44,319
gotten one of these calls.

565
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 8: My situation was a little different, but mine was more direct.

566
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,440
And it's funny because I used to do in the

567
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,440
corporate world a lot of work with AT and T.

568
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,240
But going back in you know, two or three decades,

569
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,960
and it's funny. Eye contacted good friend of mine, a

570
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,039
very close friend, and we actually worked on a feature

571
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:10,519
film together who had retired and was originally with Long Lines,

572
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,079
which was you know, the long distance.

573
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,319
Speaker 3: Oh, Bruce, did we lose you?

574
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,279
Speaker 9: I don't think so.

575
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,839
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, and I dropped out here for a second,

576
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:24,640
but go ahead.

577
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 9: Okay, I'm sorry.

578
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 8: And I contacted him to say, hey, look I got this,

579
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,920
you know, two o'clock in the morning cell phone call

580
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,839
threatening me, and they made no bones about it. It

581
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
was a private cell phone that only my family had.

582
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,160
It wasn't my business cell phone for the network, And

583
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,519
I said, could you look into it? As it came

584
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:44,000
up all xes or something on the phone. And he

585
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,440
called back the next day and said he wanted to

586
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,799
meet me and wouldn't tell you anything.

587
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 9: This is a very close friend of mine. He still

588
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:50,839
lives fifteen miles.

589
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,599
Speaker 8: From here, and basically said, I don't know what you're

590
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,799
messing with, but they threatened my pension. So we're not

591
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:58,680
going to discuss this ever again, and you better get

592
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,200
out of whatever you're doing. I think that it's very possible.

593
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,640
This is a shot across the bow if nothing else.

594
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,920
Clearly they happen. It's not everybody's hallucination, you gentlemen. Had

595
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,000
you know this, as you said, as you alluded to

596
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,880
quite properly, it'd be one thing if it was four

597
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,880
guys on a skype call that broke in, because that's

598
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,160
doable by anyone with.

599
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 9: A laptop or a desktop computer.

600
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 8: But to draw on a cable phone modem, a voiceover IP,

601
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:31,920
a traditional hardwired copper wire landline, and a cell phone

602
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:34,160
that takes a pretty good bridge, and you have to

603
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,599
know what you're doing, and that takes some coordination.

604
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,519
Speaker 9: So that just.

605
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:46,319
Speaker 8: Alludes to the wealth of extraordinary evidence. And I would

606
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,759
like if you, gentlemen, would to discuss because you've probably

607
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:51,599
spent a lot. I know you've spent a lot more

608
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,279
time with Stan and Lisa than I have. And I

609
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,880
can say I think, honestly, Mark, I don't think that

610
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,680
people really can grasp and relate to their daily activities.

611
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:07,759
How devastating this kind of thing is to your psychological

612
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,240
well being and your family life and your daily events.

613
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:16,400
And I've witnessed this a lot in my documentary work

614
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,599
with pilots, have gone all over the world with pilots

615
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,200
incognit behind the scenes, and it's hard to equate having

616
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,880
to live your daily life once you've had one of

617
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,400
these experiences and then try to relate it to the

618
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,839
real world of you know, meat and potatoes and nobody

619
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believes in it, and still maintain your composure. I have

620
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,359
to tell you, I don't think that that, in my

621
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,799
own mind, is anything but the most important aspect of

622
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:44,960
this to try to keep your head screwed on straight

623
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:48,920
while you're going through all this and you know, keep

624
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,480
your family together and all the rest of it.

625
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 9: Could you guys talk about that if you've discussed that

626
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,720
with Stanley Lisa?

627
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:57,039
Speaker 5: Sure, John, do you want to?

628
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Speaker 6: I mean, how do you know, I mean that could

629
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,880
be a two hour show. Yeah, we can encapsulate that

630
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:03,480
for sure.

631
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 7: Well, well, I'll just say real quickly, one of the

632
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,320
things that obviously and we made sure that this was

633
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,559
a significant part of the documentary, was just that was showing,

634
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:25,119
you know, the effects of these kinds of having these

635
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,639
kinds of experiences, the effects they have on a person,

636
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,880
not only a person, but also a marriage and also

637
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,599
a family.

638
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 5: And you know, we we.

639
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,119
Speaker 7: Could tell you without question that the amount of stress

640
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,840
that they've been under for a significant amount of time.

641
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,559
You're talking about almost fourteen years that this started, and

642
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,679
it's it's it hasn't stopped. Sometimes it lets up a

643
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,280
little bit, and there's been different peaks and valleys, but

644
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:58,880
you know, stand stands a mess, I mean period. And John,

645
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:01,239
you know, he'll me up on this I mean, there's

646
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,599
there's no there's no secret there. He he suffers from

647
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:11,280
post traumatic stress, he is he often gets paranoid, he's

648
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,119
he's physically ill. He has a lot of ailments that

649
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,559
are what you might call very strange ailments that doctors

650
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,400
are baffled over. And this might be due to some

651
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,400
of the abductions, some of the things that have happened

652
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,920
to him. Who knows, but it's it's been extremely difficult,

653
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,360
not only on stand but also on Lisa, And you know,

654
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,599
we wanted to make sure that Lisa was a big

655
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:41,119
part of the documentary because that this resonates with every

656
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:45,000
one of us. Not all of us are alien abductees,

657
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,280
but we're all human beings and we all have relationships

658
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,599
with people and other people in our lives, and you know,

659
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,920
to be a married couple and to have to go

660
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,440
through some of the things that they've gone through, it's

661
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,280
it really is a miracle that they're still together, truthfully,

662
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,840
and I who knows they might not be together forever.

663
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,800
And you know, there's so much credit, you know, needs

664
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,960
to go to Lisa for being there and being that

665
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:17,760
support person and no one knows, no one realizes what

666
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,440
she's been through. So that's why we try to put

667
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,719
a little, at least a good dose of that in

668
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,360
a documentary because we thought that was an extremely important

669
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,159
element to this well.

670
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: And again with Lisa wrote her own book on the subject.

671
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,840
From My Side of the Bed is her book, and

672
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,559
you know, it's a nice companion piece to Stans books

673
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,719
because even though it talks about many of the same

674
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:47,960
things that Stan mentioned, it's from her perspective and from

675
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,760
not only from a woman's perspective, but the spouse having

676
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,360
to deal with what her husband is going through and

677
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,199
ultimately her entire family because you know, her son at

678
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:02,039
one point, you know, was was affected and was writing

679
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:07,039
the equations as well on his wall, plus other family members,

680
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:12,159
so you know, it's it's it's a really trying thing

681
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,119
for the entire family. Now they do have this upcoming

682
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:20,519
legal issue, the legal battle coming up with you know,

683
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:22,440
we we've skirted around a little bit tonight.

684
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,079
Speaker 3: We haven't really talked about it.

685
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: But for most people who don't know, because he was

686
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:32,360
he was accused by the local police of having pornographic

687
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,760
pictures on his computer, which in my opinion, and again

688
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,199
this is solely my opinion, is if you want to

689
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,119
destroy somebody's credibility, that's the best way to do it

690
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,079
is hack into somebody's computer and put kitty porn on

691
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:47,599
their computer.

692
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: Now, you know, you.

693
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,559
Speaker 1: Never really know with somebody what's happening. But because of

694
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:58,400
the harassment that he'sn't had happened to him over the years,

695
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,440
I don't believe that he's guilty at all. But again

696
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:03,280
that's my opinion.

697
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,079
Speaker 6: Here, here's my take on that, and it's it's it's

698
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,320
something that because we understand it's because we have spent

699
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,480
so much time with him, and by I say so

700
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:14,840
much time, it's not like that we're spending days, but

701
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,840
we were at his house for three days when we

702
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,239
first met him. We've spent two or three other weeks

703
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,480
or parts of weeks through meetings and working through things,

704
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,440
and when we're actually shooting the film, we were there

705
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,559
for a week and spent a lot of time with them,

706
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:33,159
and obviously numerous phone calls and contract negotiations and settling

707
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,840
dates and verifying information, so a lot of back and

708
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,400
forth conversations, you know, in regards to that, and what

709
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,760
we found in doing the research and what we found

710
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,119
in being around them is that Stan documents everything. Stan

711
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,440
knows that he's being monitored. We have seen the evidence

712
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,199
as part of his documentation that his computer has been hacked.

713
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,719
We know that their house has been broken into and bugged,

714
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,679
so that there's.

715
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,519
Speaker 4: Just again voluminous evidence that Stan is being monitored in

716
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:05,000
some way, shape or form, and by who we don't know,

717
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,760
but somebody is keeping an eye on him. So why would.

718
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 6: Somebody who is who has known for ten, twelve, fourteen

719
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,800
years now that he's being observed and watched and monitored

720
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,880
in almost everything that he does, why would he do something?

721
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:21,840
And I've said this to Lisa and she laughed when

722
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,800
I first shared this, is that he's either, you know,

723
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:32,119
the stupidest person on the planet for doing something like

724
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:34,599
that where knowing he's getting caught, he's just oblivious to

725
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,599
what's going on. And I just don't believe that Stan

726
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,559
is that ignorant. I'm not saying that he's innocent or guilty,

727
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,239
but for somebody in his situation that's being so closely monitored,

728
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,000
why would he do something like that unless he specifically said,

729
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:50,599
like I'm done with this, I want to get caught.

730
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,360
But my conversations with him have been absolutely positively. Under

731
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,840
no circumstances will I cop a plea bargain whatsoever to

732
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,000
something I did not do. I will not admit guilt

733
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,480
to this because I did not do this. So I said,

734
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,760
so you're willing to bring ufology into the courtroom.

735
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,039
Speaker 8: Absolutely well, I think you make a very good point.

736
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,880
And just for my two cents on this thing, you know,

737
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,920
our job is as journalists, unless you're doing an advocacy piece,

738
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:28,000
is to remain objective. And I think I mimic exactly

739
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,960
what Mark's comments were with regard to you know what.

740
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,559
There's no bullets, there's no violence. You want to destroy

741
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:39,119
someone in this current time we live in, just accuse

742
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,039
them of that crime. And it's a game, set match,

743
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,239
so there's no easier way to accomplish that.

744
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,679
Speaker 9: Goal, if you will.

745
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 8: Now, I cannot empirically say any more than anybody else

746
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,960
that Stan didn't do that, but I think your point

747
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:56,000
is very well taken. It's counterintuitive that he would do it,

748
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,400
and I think it's important that the listeners realize something.

749
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,559
And this applies to all of us on our side

750
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,280
of the table as well as the people that we

751
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,559
document and interview.

752
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,599
Speaker 9: Nobody is getting.

753
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:14,159
Speaker 8: Rich off of this community's investigations. Truly, no one is

754
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:18,719
sitting up with their feet kicking bond bonds around enjoying life.

755
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,760
And certainly that applies to stand un Lisa, just hanging

756
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,280
on by their teeth. He's lost jobs over this. That's

757
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,320
well documented. Quite honestly. You know, I know I've I've

758
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,119
actually had my considerations. I have been lucky enough to

759
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:34,719
be on four or five of the shows and in

760
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,760
this community, and I've often wondered, and I've never asked

761
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,800
my children, and my kids are are grown, but or

762
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,079
my wife. You know, am I really embarrassing the family

763
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,159
because I'm going down this road? It is, It is

764
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,599
not something to be taken lightly. I think you make

765
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:55,960
a very good point, and you know, I applaud them

766
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,280
for standing their ground. And I think that he really

767
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,679
got mad enough to say, hey, no, I'm not going

768
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,920
to roll over on this. And so I'm not a

769
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,079
raw raw for Stan and Lisa, but I also am

770
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,039
a human being, and I think, you know, we have

771
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,000
to we have to be empathetic for what they're going through.

772
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:14,679
This is serious business. And he could you know, he

773
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,960
could be wearing the orange jumpsuit from this stuff. So

774
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,639
I hope and pray that it isn't correct. But I

775
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,199
also think in this country we give people the benefit

776
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,159
of the doubt at the very least, even if we

777
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:28,480
didn't know him, until you know there's proof otherwise with

778
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:29,920
regard to those allegations.

779
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,519
Speaker 9: That's all, you know. That's all I want to say

780
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:31,760
on this.

781
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 6: So, and I think that they're they're The way that

782
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,519
they've they've approached this is that they didn't they didn't

783
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:41,880
see this coming in the sense that they were anticipating it.

784
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:44,679
They had a search warrant a year ago. They were

785
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:48,119
specifically instructed not to talk about it because there's a

786
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,199
really good chance that they would prove nothing. So why

787
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,800
would you want to go out there and say, hey,

788
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,679
I'm being investigated for child pornography if they never brought

789
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,079
any charges against him. So he had to be quiet

790
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,199
about it. So imagine being on pins and needles for

791
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,679
several months, wondering if they're ever going to do something,

792
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,119
and then you get the call and your world changes overnight.

793
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,519
And to have the frame of mind that both Stan

794
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,360
and Lisa have as hard as it's been, as hard

795
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,159
as it to listen to them on the phone and

796
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:19,360
talk to them and hear these usually vibrant personalities at

797
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,960
their very lowest of lows and their conversational tones or

798
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,960
not one of Lisa is one of the most jovial, upbeat,

799
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,320
funny people and loves living life and she's for her

800
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,920
she one of the one of the things she said

801
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,400
to me is that I never expected that it would

802
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,960
ever come to something like this. So initial response is shocked,

803
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,280
and then it turns into anger and they're they're willing

804
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,400
to do whatever it takes to to say that this

805
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:48,119
is something that's more than just about uh, you know

806
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:51,119
these charges. It's it's it's something that people need to

807
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,880
be aware of. So that's one of the reasons why

808
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,679
we want to get the film out as quickly as

809
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,360
we can, so that people can have an idea that,

810
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,679
you know, our story was about what's happened in the

811
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,679
first you know twelve, that twelve year period from from

812
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,599
twenty to twenty twelve, and regardless of what happens to him,

813
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:12,440
that still doesn't retract to detract from his experiences, That

814
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,800
doesn't make them go away, that doesn't make them any

815
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,280
less valid. It may taint your opinions of him as

816
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,119
a person based on doing something like that until he's

817
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:25,480
proven innocent or guilty. But it does not change his story.

818
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,079
It does not change the evidence. It does not change

819
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,679
what has happened to him and has been documented for

820
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,880
you know, the world to see. You know, like you said,

821
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,239
no one's making money. Stan's not making money doing this.

822
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,360
He's He's on a mission to get out a message.

823
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,000
And that's really what's he finally came to terms with

824
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:44,280
that for several years, is that I'm doing this because

825
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,239
this is what I was meant to do, even though

826
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,159
this is not something I would have signed up for

827
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,079
or volunteered for, but this is what I've this is

828
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:54,840
what my life is.

829
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,079
Speaker 4: I'm going to make the most of.

830
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:57,639
Speaker 6: It and I'm going to do whatever I can to

831
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,280
get out the messages that I've been given. So I

832
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,679
give him a lot of credit for that. And as

833
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,920
a storyteller, to meet somebody who has that intestinal fortitude

834
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,239
to continue to push.

835
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 4: Through all that he's been through, it's compelling.

836
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 8: I want to jump in here and say, you're listening

837
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,639
to Unknown Origins Radio on the Dark Matter Radio Network.

838
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,440
A quarter of the hour, Mark Johnson and Bruce Pearson

839
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:23,360
with you this evening with our guest John Semple and

840
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,880
Jack Roth discussing the documentary Extraordinary, the Story of Stan

841
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,920
and Lisa Romanek.

842
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,679
Speaker 9: Why we're kicking over rocks.

843
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 8: I would be, I guess, remiss in my responsibilities if

844
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,639
we didn't talk about item number three, and that is

845
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,639
the flying pen incident. And I don't know if you

846
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:51,039
gentlemen are familiar with that. If you are, if you'd

847
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,519
like to discuss it, but I think you make a

848
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:58,119
very very important point. No matter what the outcome of

849
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:02,639
anything currently going on, it does not negate, dismiss or

850
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:07,719
eradicate the validity of the documentation and the evidence that

851
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,360
you've documented in this program. So I think that it's

852
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,039
very important that we draw a line of correlation between

853
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,280
all of that evidence and what that means the ufology

854
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,480
and the investigation of this phenomenon. So let me just

855
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:25,679
back out and ask you if you could comment on

856
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,239
that and let the listeners know what's going on in

857
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:28,760
that area.

858
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 6: Well, just in brief, Stan was on a skype interview

859
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,960
with someone back in February based down in Australia, and

860
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,159
there's a portion where it appears that he flips the

861
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:43,719
pen up into the air. And I'll let people go

862
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,800
and look that up and find it on their own.

863
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,800
There's a lot of different ways to approach that, and

864
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,440
one is that you know he's doing it obviously, And

865
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,199
there are some things that it's not in my space

866
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,679
to talk about. It's more and stands personal space to

867
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,800
talk about, and I don't. It's it's his responsibility to

868
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,039
share his feelings and why he did what he did

869
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,039
with the world when he's ready. Uh, not my place

870
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:08,960
to do it. But I also had a chance to

871
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,480
talk with UH doctor Stanislav Ojak, who is one of

872
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:17,320
the UH physics or the PhDs that we had in

873
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,000
the film, and he has talked extensively with Stan, and

874
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,239
he has also worked with a lot of abductees and

875
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,719
people in the UFO circles over the years, and he said, John,

876
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,280
this is not uncommon for people in this space to

877
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,039
do things like this. They are in they are in

878
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:38,920
a world where they have to deal with the consequences

879
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,400
of the life that they've been given and they have

880
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:47,079
no control over you know that that cycle of ups

881
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:49,280
and downs. And in Stan's case, again this is hard

882
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,039
for people to understand without deep deeply understanding his story.

883
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:57,800
Is that Stan his post traumatic stress disorder is something

884
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,599
that prevents him from working. So Stan's work pretty much

885
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,840
revolves around trying to get his message out, updating his website,

886
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,639
reaching out and communicating with people, sharing this story, encouraging

887
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,480
people who are supporters to continue to support and spread

888
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,559
the word. That's his life. And when things go on

889
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:18,800
an ebb and flow, and someone who has been living

890
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,199
this life for again fourteen years, there could be highs

891
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,880
and lows. And Stanislov wasn't saying that Stan did this,

892
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,920
and I'm not saying that Stan did this either, he said,

893
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,480
but it's common for people in these situations to draw

894
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,280
attention to themselves because it's part of the life that

895
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,320
they've come to live. When they're asked to come and

896
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,599
talk at an event, they talk at an event, they're

897
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:43,239
in the limelight, and when they go home from that event,

898
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,159
there's nothing. The light stops shining. So again I'm not

899
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:49,039
saying that Stan did it for that reason, but for

900
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:54,199
psychological evaluation perspective. What Stanislav was sharing with me is

901
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,880
that this is very common for people in those situations

902
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,719
to occasionally draw attention to themselves for the wrong reasons.

903
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,719
And again I'm not defending Stan and I'm not condemning

904
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,599
condemning him, but he did what he did for a reason,

905
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:11,199
and when he was ready to talk about it, I'm

906
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:11,599
sure he.

907
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 5: Will, right and insight.

908
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,519
Speaker 7: Can I add real quickly to that too, That's right,

909
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,639
And it's really not our place to say, because you know,

910
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:24,159
we don't know all the details. But you know, one

911
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:27,800
of the things we have learned very clearly in the

912
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,519
last four to five years is that, and this week

913
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:34,440
a lot of the phone messages we received, the message

914
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,880
was very clear in this and specific to the fact

915
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,880
that this Audrey voice would say very clearly, there are

916
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,719
people who do not want this message to get out,

917
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:49,519
and they will do whatever they have to do to

918
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,519
prevent the message from getting out. And you know, we're

919
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:58,960
all researchers and documentarians here, and we we've read obviously

920
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,760
a lot about out the paranormal and the UFOs, especially

921
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,239
with UFOs and alien abduction. The people, and I put

922
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,840
quotes around people, the people who do not want this

923
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,400
message to get out are vicious and they will do

924
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:23,280
anything to prevent, for whatever their reasons are, to prevent

925
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,880
this message from getting out. And Stan Romanic is not

926
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:32,559
the first and he won't be the last abductee or

927
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:42,000
experiencer to be threatened, harassed, beaten up, horrified, terrified, life destroyed,

928
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,760
and you know, without getting into too much detail on this,

929
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,039
you know, I think that that's very important for people

930
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,440
to understand that the people that there are people out there,

931
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,119
very powerful people who for whatever reason do not want

932
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:01,719
this kind of stuff to get into the mainstream and

933
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,119
to get out there, and they will do whatever they

934
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,440
need to do to stop that. So when people say, oh,

935
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,000
you know, did Stan really do that? Did he really

936
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:14,199
just throw a pen in the air, I think there's

937
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,679
a lot more to it. And again that's for Stan

938
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,880
to talk about when he's ready to talk about. But

939
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,800
I think it's important to realize that the people can

940
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,559
be terrified to the point that they'll do anything.

941
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,599
Speaker 8: Well, it's I just want to point out I've been threatened,

942
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,000
and I can tell you at the levels of the

943
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:41,840
consequences of the big picture of that technology, that those capabilities,

944
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:49,119
that reality being solidified in the general public's mind, you're

945
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:54,199
absolutely on target. That anybody's expendable. I just bring to it,

946
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,079
you know, as a point of reference, Karen Silkwood was

947
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,440
certainly expendable. With Karen McGee when she was gonna blow

948
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,039
the whistle off something that people didn't want brought to

949
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:06,360
the surface. So you're absolutely right, and you know, without

950
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,239
being too dramatic, everybody has a breaking point, you know,

951
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,440
when you're when you're losing your house, when you have

952
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,000
no way to.

953
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,519
Speaker 9: Earn a living.

954
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 8: Uh, that's an incredible stress that it's easy for us

955
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,400
to sit back and say, well, that was wrong if

956
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,119
he did it and so on. I don't want to,

957
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,800
you know. I like Stan and Lisa and I believe

958
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in them, and I'm not about to throw them under

959
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:28,559
the bus. Let the system do what it has to.

960
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:32,039
But I think it's very easy to fabricate the kind

961
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:36,239
of evidence that has been placed on their doorstep. And

962
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:40,760
I'm not inclined to to jump on the bag bandwagon

963
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and beat him up on any of this stuff at

964
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this point.

965
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,199
Speaker 9: That's not that's not my job either, Mark. What do

966
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you think?

967
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean with with Stan. You know,

968
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,199
I'm not saying I've always I've always believed everything that's

969
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,760
come through for not only with Stan but other people

970
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,599
that I've interviewed. I try to be very open minded.

971
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,920
I look at the evidence, I listen to what they say,

972
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:10,159
and I just try to, you know, see what feels

973
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,559
right to me, what is the evidence support. There's so

974
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,119
much that has gone on with Stan and his story,

975
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,440
and meeting them in person, I think is for me

976
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,719
is a big deal, because you can really gauge somebody

977
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,400
when you meet them in person. Even though I've had

978
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,800
him here on this radio show several times, and I

979
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,519
really do feel that they're being genuine. Is everything that's happening,

980
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:38,039
what they say is happening. I don't know that's their

981
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,280
interpretation of it. I've never experienced it, so I can't

982
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,199
really form that opinion in you know, regards to Stan's

983
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,440
recent situations, I do lean towards that maybe somebody's harassing

984
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,599
them and trying to shut him up, not wanting this

985
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:58,079
information out. I think there's there's no black and white here.

986
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,719
There's a lot of gray areas. Is there's a lot

987
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,480
of things going on that are still a mystery to us,

988
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,639
and you know, more will happen, more will come forward

989
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,920
in time, and I think that we're just gonna have

990
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,159
to wait and see how how everything pans out. But

991
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,320
I continue to wish them well and I hope things

992
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,760
work out for them, they get through these trials and

993
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,800
maybe then when that's all over with, Stan can talk

994
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,440
more freely about what's been going on and we can

995
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,880
find out what's been happening with him. Now we are

996
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,159
starting to run towards the end of the show. We've

997
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:39,639
got about three minutes here left. Where what is the

998
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,159
schedule like for the film? Is it going to be

999
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,480
showing here soon? Where can people go to see it?

1000
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 6: We are we're very close to making that announcement where

1001
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,039
it will be available for people to watch it as

1002
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:56,639
video on demand and trying to work out the details

1003
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:59,119
to make sure that there's a DVD purchase element to that.

1004
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,079
You know, just so you know everybody who is aware

1005
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:04,320
is that we've been on this journey again for five years.

1006
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: We have no investors. We have loans, personal loans that

1007
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:08,880
have been given to us.

1008
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 6: So our big thing is to make sure that what

1009
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,679
we do is the best possible thing that we can

1010
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,920
to get it to a point where we can reach

1011
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,159
the widest audience possible, because that's been our objective. What's

1012
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,760
one of the things we told Stan and our opening

1013
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,079
email to him is that our goal was not to

1014
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:30,119
tell a story that would reach a small audience had

1015
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:33,119
or to the acchoir that is already a believers. We

1016
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,760
wanted to reach the widest audience possible, so we've been

1017
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,280
doing a lot of work over the last couple of

1018
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,320
months to make sure that happens, and this radio show

1019
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,639
is evident of that that we're hoping that we can

1020
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,719
reach an audience that will be willing to go to it.

1021
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,480
So we will be making an announcement probably within the

1022
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:50,880
next two weeks. We hope to have the site available

1023
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,760
within the next two to three weeks, four weeks max,

1024
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but we're really shooting for over the next two to

1025
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three weeks that we'll have an announcement to make so

1026
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:00,519
that people can can finally see film.

1027
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Speaker 1: Fantastic. I know, I definitely would love to see the film.

1028
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,800
And well, let me ask you this, any plans already

1029
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,480
with everything that you know so now know already, any

1030
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,960
plans to continue the film or continue the story in

1031
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,360
another format, either a sequel or an on project.

1032
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,119
Speaker 6: What our intention is to the portal that we're working

1033
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:27,679
on developing is a portal for alternative information, alternative beliefs,

1034
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,039
alternative point of views. And we want to we don't

1035
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:32,760
want to and one of the things that's really important

1036
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,119
with promotion of anything is if you want it to

1037
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:36,880
be relevant and if you want it to become part

1038
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,639
of the conversation on an ongoing basis versus for a

1039
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,039
couple of weeks, you have to keep a component of

1040
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,960
that storytelling going. So we have every intention through this

1041
00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:49,920
website to continue to share information about stand stories as

1042
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,599
well as other stories that we'll be developing that are

1043
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,360
in the ufology world. They'll be in you know, we're

1044
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,840
not just sticking to Ufology. We're going to we have

1045
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,199
ideas to do things on politics, on religion, on science.

1046
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:03,599
There's a lot of different things where it's more of

1047
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:07,039
an alternative believe, an alternative truth so to speak, that

1048
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,599
you know, people might not be exposed to. So we

1049
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:12,840
want to keep the story going so that people can

1050
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,719
continue the dialogue and point people to information that is

1051
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,119
conclusive and causes them to stop and go.

1052
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 4: What if this is all true?

1053
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,079
Speaker 6: Really, that's what we want people to think at the

1054
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:26,679
end of the film, to ask themselves, what if this

1055
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:27,360
is all true?

1056
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: What does that mean? Talk about it, wonder about it.

1057
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: Well, we definitely wish you the best of luck with

1058
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,199
the film, and we'll be keeping tabs and seeing how

1059
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,519
it comes forth and hopefully we get a chance to

1060
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:44,079
see it here in the near future. John and Jack

1061
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:46,000
I just want to thank you so much for coming

1062
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:47,199
onto the program tonight.

1063
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,679
Speaker 3: It was a pleasure speaking with you.

1064
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 4: Thanks a lot. We'd be happy to come back anytime.

1065
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:55,239
Speaker 9: Okay, thanks for your time, guys, all the best to you,

1066
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,199
great great job.

1067
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 5: Thank thank you so much.

1068
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: And Bruce, thank you for coming on. And we're looking

1069
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,199
for or to doing more shows here. And to everyone listening,

1070
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:07,519
thank you for listening to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio.

1071
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Tune in every Monday evening here at nine pm Eastern

1072
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:14,440
Standard Time on the Dark Matter Radio Network, and we

1073
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,760
sign off, yes and thank you Keith, and we sign

1074
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,199
off with our weekly wisdom from Greg Gonzalez. Just remember

1075
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:25,119
never compliment a woman on her sideburns, no matter how

1076
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:26,199
magnificent they look.

1077
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Speaker 3: D have a good night, everybody,