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Speaker 2: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts
and spirits wander through our physical existence. Unknown creatures lurk
and shadows, and strange lights and craft dominate our skies.
Credible eyewitnesses are convinced these things are real, yet modern
science refuses to acknowledge their existence, so it's up to
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Speaker 3: And good evening, everybody.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio where we
talk about everything having to do with the strange and paranormal.
I'm your host, Mark Johnson, and our co host Lauren
de Pinto is not able to be with us tonight,
but we're really happy to have our other new co
host joining us tonight, mister Bruce Pearson. How you doing tonight, Bruce,
Good evening, Mark, glad to be with you. Actually, I'm
glad you're here too. I think we've got a great
show ahead of us for tonight, and you know, I
think we're just gonna get right on into it.
Speaker 3: So because it's this hour is going to go quickly.
So everyone, I.
Speaker 1: Want to introduce our guests for this evening. They are
filmmakers with J three Films and they have put worked
for the past. Wow, I'm gonna guess you guys have
been doing this for about three to four years now.
A documentary film called Extraordinary, the Stan Romanick Story. And
of course Stan Romanek is famous for being a UFO
experiencer abductee. He's written a couple of books, Messages and
Answers and of course the Orion Regressions, and he's been
a very controversial figure in ufology and also one of
the most intriguing and so our guests tonight are the
makers of this film. I want to welcome John Semple
and Jack Roth of the program.
Speaker 3: How you gentlemen, tonight.
Speaker 4: Doing great, Thanks for having us on.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having.
Speaker 1: Us well, gentlemen, thank you for coming on. And you know,
I had the pleasure of meeting your your third partner
last year when Stan and Lisa Romanick they had their
their conference here in New Jersey where they did their
talk and uh give the representative was here talking about
the film and I've seen the trailer for you know,
the trailer for the film is is very powerful and
I think it really sets up what the film can
be about. So, uh, John, I'll start with you, what
how did you first hear about Stan Romanick and what
made you want to do a movie about him?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: I think that that it's best if I defer that
question to Jack. Jack was the one who actually started
the ball rolling down the hill for us connecting to Stan.
But we had Jack and I had started talking and
it's actually it'll be five years next month that this
started to percolate.
Speaker 4: So Jack and I were.
Speaker 6: Talking about doing some other projects in the in the
ufology world, of doing a road trip in New Mexico,
and we were on the path of doing something and
documenting that when he was out in Denver for a conference,
one of Stephen Greer's conferences, and I'll let him take
it over from there, and how he connected to Stan's story.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Actually, John, we were talking about doing a documentary
and I was out researching in Denver and I met
While I was in Colorado, I met a couple of
the investigators who were on involved with Stan's case, and
after meeting them, I literally spent the whole weekend with
them talking about Stan's case, and they showed me some
some of the evidence, just a handful of the plethora
of things that they had accumulated over the years. But
they they showed me some photos and some other things,
and I was just I was really impressed with the
amount of evidence involved with the case. So I remember
calling John from Denver and saying, John, I think we
need to this is the documentary we need to do.
Speaker 5: And of course it was a long road.
Speaker 7: We needed to first meet stand and talk to him,
and there was a lot that needed to happen. But
that's how we first. I saw some of the evidence
and was really impressed with it, and that's how it
all started.
Speaker 1: Now, I've first read Stan's books a couple of years ago,
and then I had the pleasure of meeting him and
Lisa in Gettysburg two years ago for the Phenomenology conference,
And you know, meeting them in person, they just are
such seemed like down to earth normal people. You know,
Stand even has kind of a goofy quality to him,
and you know, we were laughing because they showed up
at the conference and he forgot his suitcase at home
and they had no clothes for the weekend, so they
had to go to Walmart to go get some clothes,
and Lisa was just chiding him, and you know, just
normal everyday people, and yet when they have also been
under an onslaught Stan especially the last few years with
controversy over his videos, the things He've seen a lot
of detraction, detractors, people claiming hoaxes. You know, what was
it about the evidence that really pulled you in to
this case and make you think, Hey, I think there's
really something going on here.
Speaker 6: Well, for me just to step back a little bit,
Jack Jack has been passionate about the ufology world for
I think since he was five years old.
Speaker 4: I've been open minded to it.
Speaker 6: I've actually seen youfos when I was younger, so it's
not something that was foreign to me. But the whole
idea of diving deep and being part of the culture
that is associated with people who are serious researchers and
serious about the content, and a lot of that's available
on websites and video and films and television. I had
never gone down that rabbit hole until I started doing
some research on this story. So I came at it
from a more of a fresh perspective as a storyteller
looking for a good story. And when Jack first brought
this to my attention, I do recall Stan being on
the Larry King Live Show and talking about the boo
picture in the.
Speaker 4: Window, and from there.
Speaker 6: My exposure to Stand stopped until it was brought up
by Jack after he was introduced to the people involved
with his case. So I had to go and kind
of do some research, learn a little bit more about Stan,
got his book, read his book, and I was fascinated
by the detailed account of all the things that had
happened to him. So, as Jack mentioned, we had a
lot of gates to pass through before we were moving
forward with the program developing the film, and one of
those was to meet Stand. So that was the first
step and had a chance to meet with him and
his family and the people who have been around him
over the years. And then we went back again several
months later and had a chance to kind of dive
into the evidence that he had. So through that several
months between the first meeting and then actually pouring over
everything that he had, we had to earn his trusts
and we got to the point where we told him
the type of story that we wanted to tell that
wasn't going to pander to an extreme audience, but tell
an honest story about you know, regular people like you
mentioned that they are, and try to reach the widest
audience possible. So he trusted enough enough to have us
come and look at all the material, and that was
a two by four to the head for me. It
was overwhelming how much documented evidence, and after we had
looked over everything, were there for a week, pouring over
videos and reading through these plastic containers, just filled to
the brim with notes and evidence, and it was a
little bit overwhelming. And what I realized and seeing all
that is that Stan is well known for singular events,
and very few people are aware of the volume of
things that have happened to him and the cumulative of
his story, which we pretty much document from two thousand
and two about twenty twelve, which is really what we
focused on in the film, and it's incredible. It's voluminous,
And that really was the turning point for me, was that, Wow,
there is a story here that could be a ten
part series. There's just so much evidence, so we had
to whittle it down to an hour and a half
and I think we've done a very good job of
capturing that energy.
Speaker 8: I'd like to jump in here for a minute if
I can, and just and step back. It's interesting some
of the insights that both of you have just alluded to,
I think really are what as a lifelong broadcast journalist
and documentary producer. I mean this is not about me,
but I started in seventy six and Roswell before anybody
ever showed up and heard about it and was approached,
And I think I was struck as Mark and I
have had this discussion.
Speaker 9: With the range, breadth.
Speaker 8: And depth of the evidence and the incidents that Stan
and Lisa have gone through, that is quite unusual after
thirty five or forty years of studying this phenomena. You know,
there's a lot of folks that have one incident are
monolithic in what they bring to the table. Certainly that
is not the case with Stan and current situations. Aside,
I think that it is important that while giving due
respect and consideration to what is happening currently in what
he's going through, I think that it's important to step
back and look at the broad picture, and for if
you look at the wealth of information that is now
coming forth on a daily basis about the entire UFO phenomena,
it's hard to find one in my experience, a situation,
or an individual or two individuals in this case that
have a greater depth or breadth of experiences across the board.
So I think that that makes the case in and
of itself worth documenting. And Mark and I, you know,
standing Lis have gotten to be good friends. As matter
of fact, I am c the event up here in
Clinton last spring, just about a year ago. They you know,
I let have them stay at the house. They are
very decent, good people my mind. And so we'll go
on with the conversation. But I think it's important for
the listeners to understand that this is not, if you will,
and none of mar but the run of the mill
one incident scenario. This this really runs the gamut about
just about every facet that we're aware of in terms
of ufology is encompassed in this. And I applaud you
guys for taking the time to do it properly and
and do the research properly and give it a fair hearing,
because I think it's important despite what may come down
the road or what they're going through right now, which
is unfortunate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very that's really well put. If I can
just add real quickly.
Speaker 7: I think going back to the to the evidence, some
of the things that are so impressive about it, not
only the breath of it, but also when you have
PhDs from various disciplines who are looking at certain elements
of the case and then you're talking to them and
they look you in the eye and they say, look,
there is no way that Stan Roman it could have
written these equations or you know what, you.
Speaker 5: Know, they're just it's when.
Speaker 7: Something is that compelling, I think it's just it's like
you said, it's it's worth looking into, and it's worth
at least sharing that information in an objective way because
it really is profound, and I think that's what we were
faced with and we were looking at You're right again,
what you mentioned so many elements of the UFO slash
alien abduction phenomena that goes from the seeing a strange
craft in the sky to you know, close encounters of
the first, second, third, fourth kind, and it goes through
the entire scope of that. So I just wanted to
add that as well, that it's it's.
Speaker 4: As well as paranormal stuff too. It's everything. It's a
to Z with them, right.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the more impressive pieces of evidence that
he first talked about in his book Messages is the
equations and how the equations came about, where he just
in the middle of the night writes him down and
doesn't even remember doing it, and then having these equations
examined by scientists who have a basic understanding of what
they are, but still are having trouble figuring them out
because they're so advanced. And here you have Stan who
is dyslexic and has an eighth grade math level, and
he's doing mathematical equations that are beyond what our current
scientists can look at, and all they can tell is
that they seem to be about propulsion, and I find
that incredibly fascinating.
Speaker 6: Yeah, doctor Claude Swanson has been analyzing those on behalf of.
Speaker 4: The Stan's case, and we.
Speaker 6: Spent probably about an hour and a half two hours
interviewing him, and we could do an entire film just
on his analysis and the things.
Speaker 4: That he talked about that.
Speaker 6: But he's featured in the film and does talk specifically
about not just what he's discovered, but how the equations
that Stan has written equate to research that's been happening
since the nineteen twenties in alternative physics, and they line
up very much with these thinkers starting all the way
back to the twenties and moving up through al Qubier
in the nineteen nineties. And he's talking specifically about there's
something here that's leading us to a different interpretation from
Einstein physics, and that's something that the public might not
be prepared to understand, or the scientific community might not
be prepared to understand. But there are alternative theories out
there for a lot of different things, and just because
one is accepted doesn't mean some of the alternative ones
are not. So this is one of the things I
think it's important about it when you have scientists for
studying something and have been studying stand specific equations for
a decade and think there's something very important there that's compelling.
Speaker 8: I'd like to jump in on that, but I'd first
like to say at the we're at the quarter past
the hour that you're listening to Unknown Origins Radio with
Mark Johnson and Bruce Pearson, and our guests this evening
are John Sumple and Jack Roth to discuss their latest
endeavor and in depth documentary on Stan and Lisa Romanek
and the Romanec case. I was invited out to the
regression session out at the Sunrise Ranch in Loveland about
just about a year ago last month, and that was
an amazing experience. Actually, Jimi Mussan flew off from Mexico
City UH to be there also, and.
Speaker 9: We were the only two journalists there UH.
Speaker 8: And I had the opportunity, and the reason I bring
this up is the opportunity to have lunch with doctor Swanson.
And I have to tell you I didn't have too
much to eat eat because it was an eye opener
to hear him explain how as you said, these are
non traditional theories, and he said, there was a little
bit of chaff in there with the wheat. But it's interesting.
I ran into a physicist last weekend, last Friday night
with the all the speakers at the New Jersey UFO
conference at Dave Stonett's house in Hamilton, New Jersey, and
there was a gentleman there who who said he was
a physicist, and he went out of his way to
to downplay stands, equations and so forth, and said, well,
it's it's all you know, there's not a lot to it,
and there's there was a lot of misinformation there. I'm
you know, it's interesting, as you said, how mainstream and
I've seen this in archaeology and seen this for years,
how mainstream science.
Speaker 9: Quote unquote.
Speaker 8: Really gets its you know, backs up to the wall
when when anybody questions the the party line. And but
I was very impressed with Claude's explanation For a layperson,
I'm obviously not a theoretical physicist, so this is the
kind of thing that you know, the four of us,
I would say, I would venture to say, are not
able to memorize and put down on paper. And certainly
I think that it would be quite a task for
myself to memorize that stuff and put it in magic
mark or crayon on the bedroom wall.
Speaker 9: In the middle of the night.
Speaker 8: So that's just a phenomenal example of some of the
validity that that is attached to this scenario.
Speaker 9: With standing.
Speaker 6: Well, that's one of the things that we did with
the film, too, is that we wanted to tell the
story in a way that would really engage people. And
a traditional storyline has an arc that takes you on
a journey and it kind of builds up to a peak,
and then there's the climax and a little bit of
a de neumon kind of takes you through a story.
Speaker 4: And we could have done that, we could.
Speaker 6: Have done the timeline, but we felt that it was
going to be more compelling if we literally beat the
viewer over the head with evidence. For the first act
of the film, which is twenty seven to twenty eight
minutes long, the first twenty eight minutes of the film,
it is nothing but evidence after evidence after evidence, no
dialogue other than you know what's on the video. So
the first third of the film is nothing but evidence,
and it's not all of it. It's just we just
scratched the surface with some of the things that are
the most I think profound and visually easy to present
in a film format. It's overwhelming. And in the middle
of the film is Stan and Lisa. We want to
show the world at Stan and Lisa are normal, average,
everyday ordinary people that have been exposed to extraordinary circumstances
in their journey in being ordinary people, and how they
deal with it in an emotional, uh mental and physical way.
What what that? What their lives have been like? And
then the third act and final setup of the film
is the validation from the experts. So we were pretty
convinced that by the time people are finished watching this,
they're going to walk away from it, and even if they.
Speaker 4: Don't believe in UFOs.
Speaker 6: They're going to believe one that Stan and Lisa do.
And if they can put that in the back of
their minds, it starts a conversation that they probably wouldn't
have had before.
Speaker 1: In the past few years that you've been working on
this film, Uh, you know you have, You've come across
some delays with the film as well and running into
some obstacles. I know that that Stan has had issues
again currently what he's currently going through, which it seems
like a form of harassment in.
Speaker 3: A lot of ways.
Speaker 1: Uh, the these trumped up charges on him to to
shut him up or quiet him up.
Speaker 3: You know, what is your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Have you run into any types of blocking in your
efforts to get this film out?
Speaker 4: Jack? You want to take that sure?
Speaker 7: I think that over the course of the last four
or five years we've had we've had some interesting things
happen to us.
Speaker 5: And one of the things that.
Speaker 7: You know, as filmmakers, you know, we we have a
budget for this and and we really needed to you know,
try to find some investors to to help with to help.
Speaker 5: Us make this and make it happen.
Speaker 7: And it's interesting how we we'd have people become very
interested in this and then for some reason they would
just back out and and it just it took a
long time. It took a long time to really muster
the right group of people to get them together in
order to make this happen. And I think that you know,
we've had personally John and I as well as some
of the other people who have been associated with the
making of the film, have had strange things happen to us.
And you know that that goes from everything from you know,
strange phone calls and things like that. But you know,
it's it's a strange rabbit hole that you go down
when you get involved in things like this. And what's
funny is when we first started, Stan told us, he said,
are you ready for this? And at first we're like,
of course, we're ready for this. We're filmmakers, we're you know,
we're journalists, we're you know, yeah, we're ready. No, he goes,
are you ready for what might happen to you personally?
Because people who get involved in this things happen, and uh,
we were ready for that. We were definitely ready to
take take that risk because we thought the story was uh,
it's it was too important not to do and we
wanted to make sure that we somehow, whatever it took,
that we got it done, because again, we just wanted
to get the information out there.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: And again, you know, obviously some of the things that
are going on now, I think Stan at Lisa had
been harassed for for a very long time.
Speaker 5: Uh and in many ways.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: And some of this is documented in the documentary, but
they're they've they've gone through a lot with with certain
parties harassing them. And again, you can never really be
sure who's doing it, and that's part of the enigma.
And uh, but I think hopefully that answers your question.
I think there you know, it's just again it's it's
it's a rabbit hole that you go down that you
never quite you don't really quite come out of it
all all the way.
Speaker 5: It's it's a very interesting Once you're in it, you're
in it.
Speaker 1: And that is another one of the aspects of Stan's
case that a lot of the detractors have not been
able to debunk is the fact that these aren't isolated incidents.
If it's one thing to hear to have a person saying, oh, yes,
this happens to me, No nobody else witnessed it. It's
another to have multiple witnesses around Stan and Lisa experiencing
everything from UFO sidings in broad daylight, especially when they
go to some of the conferences and people all around
have a multiple UFO siding with stand there to experiencing
aspects of high strangeness being contacted by some of these
other entities or whatever you want to call it that
use the Audrey voice. And you know, ironically, Bruce, you
actually had your.
Speaker 3: Name used in one of those Audrey voices once.
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, uh it's a bit odd. Uh.
Speaker 8: When I got a call from from Mark Leone, uh
it was very short notice. He said, listen, I'd like
to ask you to come out and cover an event.
Speaker 9: He was very close to the vest on what it was.
Speaker 8: He said, look, just trust me, and it was a
basic drop and drop everything and uh, you know, put
this together and I'll meet you. You know, I'll pick
you up. We'll head to Newark Airport and off to
Denver we go. In any event, I said, well, you know.
He said, look, it's important that you be there, and
I thought, well, thank you for the compliment, but I'm
sure there's other people that could cover it. Uh. But
but he said, no, listen, I want want you to
hear something. And in fact, he played this Audrey tape
and there was my name on it, So that in
and of itself is not conclusive evidence of anything.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, we could speak to that,
because we've actually had Audrey calls directly to us, and
I've had I had one that called me up and
specifically addressed me by name, and that's one of those
things that when that happens to you. Even though Stan
warned us and we had already had several different Audrey
interactions prior to that, where we were on conference calls
and the voice would break through and start talking to us, right,
I have to admit the first time that that happened,
Stan wasn't on the phone with us, and we were
kind of like, okay, where did that come from? And
then the next time Stan was on the call, So
my first thought.
Speaker 4: Was is Stan doing this? You know, he could be
doing it.
Speaker 6: Maybe he's doing it. And so this was before we
had even met him. We were still in the early
stages and there was the intervention, and basically the message was,
this is something that you need to do. You're here
for a purpose to help Stan get this out. It's important,
it's timely. Although that part didn't work out to be
too too true because that was almost four and a
half years ago. But when you hear your name and Jack,
and the two times that Jack and I have been
pulled together, we've been on phone calls with each other,
or actually, you know, the two times were that we
were connected by a phone call. I didn't call him,
he didn't call me. Our phone was ringing, and it
showed that our home phone was calling us. And whenever
your home phone calls you on your cell phone, you're
pretty sure that you're getting a call you weren't expected
to get.
Speaker 9: Precisely what yeah, Mark said, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So we got connected and then the voice
comes on and talks to us. We've never really been threatened.
There was one time with it. We were told to
be cautious. Don't be afraid. They're watching you, they're observing you,
they're aware of what you're doing. Just be you know,
go about your business. Be safe, we're here kind of
like supporting you. So when you get one of those
and you're you're out and about running errands on a
Saturday morning, your hair stands up on the back of
your neck and you're thinking, Okay, what have I got
myself into?
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's.
Speaker 1: It has to be odd to get one of these calls.
And then what goes through your head and thinking who
is sending this? Is this, you know, a hacker, somebody
who's tapping into my phone lines or my computer in
order to you know, using a computer generated voice, because
I think they were. That's why they call it Audrey.
It really is a patented computer generated voice, the synthetic
voice called Audrey. Just like if you have your GPS system,
you can program in several voices, and I think Audrey
might even be one of them.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 6: I have a relative that worked in the phone industry
for thirty years, and I contacted him a few years
back and asked him.
Speaker 4: I gave him the scenario.
Speaker 6: The first time I was on a conference call on
my cell phone with someone who is on a landline phone.
So at the conference call was me in Seattle, someone
in la someone in Flora, and someone in New Jersey.
And while I was on that call, I got a
call from my home phone. And I'm sitting in my
living room while I'm on this phone call, and I
know it's not my home phone. So this was the
first time I wasn't aware that this was the process.
Speaker 4: And I answered the phone.
Speaker 6: There was nothing there, because I decided just kind of
tap in because I was listening on the call, and
nothing happened. So then actually I was on my home
phone on the conference call, and I was getting a
phone on my cell phone, a call on my cell phone,
which was kind of like, Okay, how is that happening.
I'm on my home phone on a conference call, how
can it be calling me?
Speaker 4: So I stepped aside, listened in. There was nothing there,
hung up.
Speaker 6: Two minutes later, the same thing happened, and I listened
in and I heard a couple of clicks, and I
thought I was going to hear the operator voice recording
come on and say please hang up and dial again,
type of thing. But then it connected me to stand
and I hear Stan on the other hand, hello, and
I'm like, hello, who's this.
Speaker 4: And he said, this is Stan. You know, I'm like, oh,
did you call me? He goes, no, did you call me?
Speaker 6: So that was the first time that happened, and then
it connected someone who was on someone who's on a
cell phone, someone who's on a landline phone, someone who's
on a cable phone call, and another person on a
cell phone. So when I talked through the person at
the the phone company said, to connect all those different
channels together, pull all of those together in a phone
call can be done, but it would have to be
by somebody who was a high level person within either
the phone company or the government.
Speaker 4: He said.
Speaker 6: The fact that you pulled together a landline, cell phone,
and cable phone number all together on the same call
is almost impossible to do.
Speaker 4: He said. It can be done, but.
Speaker 6: He said it's not going to happen by somebody who
is working in their living room on a phone. He
said they'd have to know their way to navigate around
the phone system.
Speaker 4: So there was some.
Speaker 6: Validation there who wanted to make sure that this isn't
something that was easily replicated in someone's living room, but sold.
It would be very, very difficult to do, but it
can be done, and most likely would have to be
done by someone who is a high level person within
the phone company or within the government.
Speaker 1: Wow, real quick, I just want to mention you're listening
to Unknown Origins Radio with Mark Johnson and Bruce Pearson,
and our guests tonight are the filmmakers of the new
documentary film Extraordinary, the Stan Roman Neck Story. We're talking
with Jack Roth and John Sumple, and you're talking about
these phone calls. You know, I have to bring it
up Bruce.
Speaker 3: You know. Bruce's yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Had these phone calls too, because of his own sightings
that he's had in the past. And you know, it's
I think I'm the only one probably here who hasn't
gotten one of these calls.
Speaker 8: My situation was a little different, but mine was more direct.
And it's funny because I used to do in the
corporate world a lot of work with AT and T.
But going back in you know, two or three decades,
and it's funny. Eye contacted good friend of mine, a
very close friend, and we actually worked on a feature
film together who had retired and was originally with Long Lines,
which was you know, the long distance.
Speaker 3: Oh, Bruce, did we lose you?
Speaker 9: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, and I dropped out here for a second,
but go ahead.
Speaker 9: Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: And I contacted him to say, hey, look I got this,
you know, two o'clock in the morning cell phone call
threatening me, and they made no bones about it. It
was a private cell phone that only my family had.
It wasn't my business cell phone for the network, And
I said, could you look into it? As it came
up all xes or something on the phone. And he
called back the next day and said he wanted to
meet me and wouldn't tell you anything.
Speaker 9: This is a very close friend of mine. He still
lives fifteen miles.
Speaker 8: From here, and basically said, I don't know what you're
messing with, but they threatened my pension. So we're not
going to discuss this ever again, and you better get
out of whatever you're doing. I think that it's very possible.
This is a shot across the bow if nothing else.
Clearly they happen. It's not everybody's hallucination, you gentlemen. Had
you know this, as you said, as you alluded to
quite properly, it'd be one thing if it was four
guys on a skype call that broke in, because that's
doable by anyone with.
Speaker 9: A laptop or a desktop computer.
Speaker 8: But to draw on a cable phone modem, a voiceover IP,
a traditional hardwired copper wire landline, and a cell phone
that takes a pretty good bridge, and you have to
know what you're doing, and that takes some coordination.
Speaker 9: So that just.
Speaker 8: Alludes to the wealth of extraordinary evidence. And I would
like if you, gentlemen, would to discuss because you've probably
spent a lot. I know you've spent a lot more
time with Stan and Lisa than I have. And I
can say I think, honestly, Mark, I don't think that
people really can grasp and relate to their daily activities.
How devastating this kind of thing is to your psychological
well being and your family life and your daily events.
And I've witnessed this a lot in my documentary work
with pilots, have gone all over the world with pilots
incognit behind the scenes, and it's hard to equate having
to live your daily life once you've had one of
these experiences and then try to relate it to the
real world of you know, meat and potatoes and nobody
believes in it, and still maintain your composure. I have
to tell you, I don't think that that, in my
own mind, is anything but the most important aspect of
this to try to keep your head screwed on straight
while you're going through all this and you know, keep
your family together and all the rest of it.
Speaker 9: Could you guys talk about that if you've discussed that
with Stanley Lisa?
Speaker 5: Sure, John, do you want to?
Speaker 6: I mean, how do you know, I mean that could
be a two hour show. Yeah, we can encapsulate that
for sure.
Speaker 7: Well, well, I'll just say real quickly, one of the
things that obviously and we made sure that this was
a significant part of the documentary, was just that was showing,
you know, the effects of these kinds of having these
kinds of experiences, the effects they have on a person,
not only a person, but also a marriage and also
a family.
Speaker 5: And you know, we we.
Speaker 7: Could tell you without question that the amount of stress
that they've been under for a significant amount of time.
You're talking about almost fourteen years that this started, and
it's it's it hasn't stopped. Sometimes it lets up a
little bit, and there's been different peaks and valleys, but
you know, stand stands a mess, I mean period. And John,
you know, he'll me up on this I mean, there's
there's no there's no secret there. He he suffers from
post traumatic stress, he is he often gets paranoid, he's
he's physically ill. He has a lot of ailments that
are what you might call very strange ailments that doctors
are baffled over. And this might be due to some
of the abductions, some of the things that have happened
to him. Who knows, but it's it's been extremely difficult,
not only on stand but also on Lisa, And you know,
we wanted to make sure that Lisa was a big
part of the documentary because that this resonates with every
one of us. Not all of us are alien abductees,
but we're all human beings and we all have relationships
with people and other people in our lives, and you know,
to be a married couple and to have to go
through some of the things that they've gone through, it's
it really is a miracle that they're still together, truthfully,
and I who knows they might not be together forever.
And you know, there's so much credit, you know, needs
to go to Lisa for being there and being that
support person and no one knows, no one realizes what
she's been through. So that's why we try to put
a little, at least a good dose of that in
a documentary because we thought that was an extremely important
element to this well.
Speaker 1: And again with Lisa wrote her own book on the subject.
From My Side of the Bed is her book, and
you know, it's a nice companion piece to Stans books
because even though it talks about many of the same
things that Stan mentioned, it's from her perspective and from
not only from a woman's perspective, but the spouse having
to deal with what her husband is going through and
ultimately her entire family because you know, her son at
one point, you know, was was affected and was writing
the equations as well on his wall, plus other family members,
so you know, it's it's it's a really trying thing
for the entire family. Now they do have this upcoming
legal issue, the legal battle coming up with you know,
we we've skirted around a little bit tonight.
Speaker 3: We haven't really talked about it.
Speaker 1: But for most people who don't know, because he was
he was accused by the local police of having pornographic
pictures on his computer, which in my opinion, and again
this is solely my opinion, is if you want to
destroy somebody's credibility, that's the best way to do it
is hack into somebody's computer and put kitty porn on
their computer.
Speaker 3: Now, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Never really know with somebody what's happening. But because of
the harassment that he'sn't had happened to him over the years,
I don't believe that he's guilty at all. But again
that's my opinion.
Speaker 6: Here, here's my take on that, and it's it's it's
something that because we understand it's because we have spent
so much time with him, and by I say so
much time, it's not like that we're spending days, but
we were at his house for three days when we
first met him. We've spent two or three other weeks
or parts of weeks through meetings and working through things,
and when we're actually shooting the film, we were there
for a week and spent a lot of time with them,
and obviously numerous phone calls and contract negotiations and settling
dates and verifying information, so a lot of back and
forth conversations, you know, in regards to that, and what
we found in doing the research and what we found
in being around them is that Stan documents everything. Stan
knows that he's being monitored. We have seen the evidence
as part of his documentation that his computer has been hacked.
We know that their house has been broken into and bugged,
so that there's.
Speaker 4: Just again voluminous evidence that Stan is being monitored in
some way, shape or form, and by who we don't know,
but somebody is keeping an eye on him. So why would.
Speaker 6: Somebody who is who has known for ten, twelve, fourteen
years now that he's being observed and watched and monitored
in almost everything that he does, why would he do something?
And I've said this to Lisa and she laughed when
I first shared this, is that he's either, you know,
the stupidest person on the planet for doing something like
that where knowing he's getting caught, he's just oblivious to
what's going on. And I just don't believe that Stan
is that ignorant. I'm not saying that he's innocent or guilty,
but for somebody in his situation that's being so closely monitored,
why would he do something like that unless he specifically said,
like I'm done with this, I want to get caught.
But my conversations with him have been absolutely positively. Under
no circumstances will I cop a plea bargain whatsoever to
something I did not do. I will not admit guilt
to this because I did not do this. So I said,
so you're willing to bring ufology into the courtroom.
Speaker 8: Absolutely well, I think you make a very good point.
And just for my two cents on this thing, you know,
our job is as journalists, unless you're doing an advocacy piece,
is to remain objective. And I think I mimic exactly
what Mark's comments were with regard to you know what.
There's no bullets, there's no violence. You want to destroy
someone in this current time we live in, just accuse
them of that crime. And it's a game, set match,
so there's no easier way to accomplish that.
Speaker 9: Goal, if you will.
Speaker 8: Now, I cannot empirically say any more than anybody else
that Stan didn't do that, but I think your point
is very well taken. It's counterintuitive that he would do it,
and I think it's important that the listeners realize something.
And this applies to all of us on our side
of the table as well as the people that we
document and interview.
Speaker 9: Nobody is getting.
Speaker 8: Rich off of this community's investigations. Truly, no one is
sitting up with their feet kicking bond bonds around enjoying life.
And certainly that applies to stand un Lisa, just hanging
on by their teeth. He's lost jobs over this. That's
well documented. Quite honestly. You know, I know I've I've
actually had my considerations. I have been lucky enough to
be on four or five of the shows and in
this community, and I've often wondered, and I've never asked
my children, and my kids are are grown, but or
my wife. You know, am I really embarrassing the family
because I'm going down this road? It is, It is
not something to be taken lightly. I think you make
a very good point, and you know, I applaud them
for standing their ground. And I think that he really
got mad enough to say, hey, no, I'm not going
to roll over on this. And so I'm not a
raw raw for Stan and Lisa, but I also am
a human being, and I think, you know, we have
to we have to be empathetic for what they're going through.
This is serious business. And he could you know, he
could be wearing the orange jumpsuit from this stuff. So
I hope and pray that it isn't correct. But I
also think in this country we give people the benefit
of the doubt at the very least, even if we
didn't know him, until you know there's proof otherwise with
regard to those allegations.
Speaker 9: That's all, you know. That's all I want to say
on this.
Speaker 6: So, and I think that they're they're The way that
they've they've approached this is that they didn't they didn't
see this coming in the sense that they were anticipating it.
They had a search warrant a year ago. They were
specifically instructed not to talk about it because there's a
really good chance that they would prove nothing. So why
would you want to go out there and say, hey,
I'm being investigated for child pornography if they never brought
any charges against him. So he had to be quiet
about it. So imagine being on pins and needles for
several months, wondering if they're ever going to do something,
and then you get the call and your world changes overnight.
And to have the frame of mind that both Stan
and Lisa have as hard as it's been, as hard
as it to listen to them on the phone and
talk to them and hear these usually vibrant personalities at
their very lowest of lows and their conversational tones or
not one of Lisa is one of the most jovial, upbeat,
funny people and loves living life and she's for her
she one of the one of the things she said
to me is that I never expected that it would
ever come to something like this. So initial response is shocked,
and then it turns into anger and they're they're willing
to do whatever it takes to to say that this
is something that's more than just about uh, you know
these charges. It's it's it's something that people need to
be aware of. So that's one of the reasons why
we want to get the film out as quickly as
we can, so that people can have an idea that,
you know, our story was about what's happened in the
first you know twelve, that twelve year period from from
twenty to twenty twelve, and regardless of what happens to him,
that still doesn't retract to detract from his experiences, That
doesn't make them go away, that doesn't make them any
less valid. It may taint your opinions of him as
a person based on doing something like that until he's
proven innocent or guilty. But it does not change his story.
It does not change the evidence. It does not change
what has happened to him and has been documented for
you know, the world to see. You know, like you said,
no one's making money. Stan's not making money doing this.
He's He's on a mission to get out a message.
And that's really what's he finally came to terms with
that for several years, is that I'm doing this because
this is what I was meant to do, even though
this is not something I would have signed up for
or volunteered for, but this is what I've this is
what my life is.
Speaker 4: I'm going to make the most of.
Speaker 6: It and I'm going to do whatever I can to
get out the messages that I've been given. So I
give him a lot of credit for that. And as
a storyteller, to meet somebody who has that intestinal fortitude
to continue to push.
Speaker 4: Through all that he's been through, it's compelling.
Speaker 8: I want to jump in here and say, you're listening
to Unknown Origins Radio on the Dark Matter Radio Network.
A quarter of the hour, Mark Johnson and Bruce Pearson
with you this evening with our guest John Semple and
Jack Roth discussing the documentary Extraordinary, the Story of Stan
and Lisa Romanek.
Speaker 9: Why we're kicking over rocks.
Speaker 8: I would be, I guess, remiss in my responsibilities if
we didn't talk about item number three, and that is
the flying pen incident. And I don't know if you
gentlemen are familiar with that. If you are, if you'd
like to discuss it, but I think you make a
very very important point. No matter what the outcome of
anything currently going on, it does not negate, dismiss or
eradicate the validity of the documentation and the evidence that
you've documented in this program. So I think that it's
very important that we draw a line of correlation between
all of that evidence and what that means the ufology
and the investigation of this phenomenon. So let me just
back out and ask you if you could comment on
that and let the listeners know what's going on in
that area.
Speaker 6: Well, just in brief, Stan was on a skype interview
with someone back in February based down in Australia, and
there's a portion where it appears that he flips the
pen up into the air. And I'll let people go
and look that up and find it on their own.
There's a lot of different ways to approach that, and
one is that you know he's doing it obviously, And
there are some things that it's not in my space
to talk about. It's more and stands personal space to
talk about, and I don't. It's it's his responsibility to
share his feelings and why he did what he did
with the world when he's ready. Uh, not my place
to do it. But I also had a chance to
talk with UH doctor Stanislav Ojak, who is one of
the UH physics or the PhDs that we had in
the film, and he has talked extensively with Stan, and
he has also worked with a lot of abductees and
people in the UFO circles over the years, and he said, John,
this is not uncommon for people in this space to
do things like this. They are in they are in
a world where they have to deal with the consequences
of the life that they've been given and they have
no control over you know that that cycle of ups
and downs. And in Stan's case, again this is hard
for people to understand without deep deeply understanding his story.
Is that Stan his post traumatic stress disorder is something
that prevents him from working. So Stan's work pretty much
revolves around trying to get his message out, updating his website,
reaching out and communicating with people, sharing this story, encouraging
people who are supporters to continue to support and spread
the word. That's his life. And when things go on
an ebb and flow, and someone who has been living
this life for again fourteen years, there could be highs
and lows. And Stanislov wasn't saying that Stan did this,
and I'm not saying that Stan did this either, he said,
but it's common for people in these situations to draw
attention to themselves because it's part of the life that
they've come to live. When they're asked to come and
talk at an event, they talk at an event, they're
in the limelight, and when they go home from that event,
there's nothing. The light stops shining. So again I'm not
saying that Stan did it for that reason, but for
psychological evaluation perspective. What Stanislav was sharing with me is
that this is very common for people in those situations
to occasionally draw attention to themselves for the wrong reasons.
And again I'm not defending Stan and I'm not condemning
condemning him, but he did what he did for a reason,
and when he was ready to talk about it, I'm
sure he.
Speaker 5: Will, right and insight.
Speaker 7: Can I add real quickly to that too, That's right,
And it's really not our place to say, because you know,
we don't know all the details. But you know, one
of the things we have learned very clearly in the
last four to five years is that, and this week
a lot of the phone messages we received, the message
was very clear in this and specific to the fact
that this Audrey voice would say very clearly, there are
people who do not want this message to get out,
and they will do whatever they have to do to
prevent the message from getting out. And you know, we're
all researchers and documentarians here, and we we've read obviously
a lot about out the paranormal and the UFOs, especially
with UFOs and alien abduction. The people, and I put
quotes around people, the people who do not want this
message to get out are vicious and they will do
anything to prevent, for whatever their reasons are, to prevent
this message from getting out. And Stan Romanic is not
the first and he won't be the last abductee or
experiencer to be threatened, harassed, beaten up, horrified, terrified, life destroyed,
and you know, without getting into too much detail on this,
you know, I think that that's very important for people
to understand that the people that there are people out there,
very powerful people who for whatever reason do not want
this kind of stuff to get into the mainstream and
to get out there, and they will do whatever they
need to do to stop that. So when people say, oh,
you know, did Stan really do that? Did he really
just throw a pen in the air, I think there's
a lot more to it. And again that's for Stan
to talk about when he's ready to talk about. But
I think it's important to realize that the people can
be terrified to the point that they'll do anything.
Speaker 8: Well, it's I just want to point out I've been threatened,
and I can tell you at the levels of the
consequences of the big picture of that technology, that those capabilities,
that reality being solidified in the general public's mind, you're
absolutely on target. That anybody's expendable. I just bring to it,
you know, as a point of reference, Karen Silkwood was
certainly expendable. With Karen McGee when she was gonna blow
the whistle off something that people didn't want brought to
the surface. So you're absolutely right, and you know, without
being too dramatic, everybody has a breaking point, you know,
when you're when you're losing your house, when you have
no way to.
Speaker 9: Earn a living.
Speaker 8: Uh, that's an incredible stress that it's easy for us
to sit back and say, well, that was wrong if
he did it and so on. I don't want to,
you know. I like Stan and Lisa and I believe
in them, and I'm not about to throw them under
the bus. Let the system do what it has to.
But I think it's very easy to fabricate the kind
of evidence that has been placed on their doorstep. And
I'm not inclined to to jump on the bag bandwagon
and beat him up on any of this stuff at
this point.
Speaker 9: That's not that's not my job either, Mark. What do
you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean with with Stan. You know,
I'm not saying I've always I've always believed everything that's
come through for not only with Stan but other people
that I've interviewed. I try to be very open minded.
I look at the evidence, I listen to what they say,
and I just try to, you know, see what feels
right to me, what is the evidence support. There's so
much that has gone on with Stan and his story,
and meeting them in person, I think is for me
is a big deal, because you can really gauge somebody
when you meet them in person. Even though I've had
him here on this radio show several times, and I
really do feel that they're being genuine. Is everything that's happening,
what they say is happening. I don't know that's their
interpretation of it. I've never experienced it, so I can't
really form that opinion in you know, regards to Stan's
recent situations, I do lean towards that maybe somebody's harassing
them and trying to shut him up, not wanting this
information out. I think there's there's no black and white here.
There's a lot of gray areas. Is there's a lot
of things going on that are still a mystery to us,
and you know, more will happen, more will come forward
in time, and I think that we're just gonna have
to wait and see how how everything pans out. But
I continue to wish them well and I hope things
work out for them, they get through these trials and
maybe then when that's all over with, Stan can talk
more freely about what's been going on and we can
find out what's been happening with him. Now we are
starting to run towards the end of the show. We've
got about three minutes here left. Where what is the
schedule like for the film? Is it going to be
showing here soon? Where can people go to see it?
Speaker 6: We are we're very close to making that announcement where
it will be available for people to watch it as
video on demand and trying to work out the details
to make sure that there's a DVD purchase element to that.
You know, just so you know everybody who is aware
is that we've been on this journey again for five years.
Speaker 4: We have no investors. We have loans, personal loans that
have been given to us.
Speaker 6: So our big thing is to make sure that what
we do is the best possible thing that we can
to get it to a point where we can reach
the widest audience possible, because that's been our objective. What's
one of the things we told Stan and our opening
email to him is that our goal was not to
tell a story that would reach a small audience had
or to the acchoir that is already a believers. We
wanted to reach the widest audience possible, so we've been
doing a lot of work over the last couple of
months to make sure that happens, and this radio show
is evident of that that we're hoping that we can
reach an audience that will be willing to go to it.
So we will be making an announcement probably within the
next two weeks. We hope to have the site available
within the next two to three weeks, four weeks max,
but we're really shooting for over the next two to
three weeks that we'll have an announcement to make so
that people can can finally see film.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. I know, I definitely would love to see the film.
And well, let me ask you this, any plans already
with everything that you know so now know already, any
plans to continue the film or continue the story in
another format, either a sequel or an on project.
Speaker 6: What our intention is to the portal that we're working
on developing is a portal for alternative information, alternative beliefs,
alternative point of views. And we want to we don't
want to and one of the things that's really important
with promotion of anything is if you want it to
be relevant and if you want it to become part
of the conversation on an ongoing basis versus for a
couple of weeks, you have to keep a component of
that storytelling going. So we have every intention through this
website to continue to share information about stand stories as
well as other stories that we'll be developing that are
in the ufology world. They'll be in you know, we're
not just sticking to Ufology. We're going to we have
ideas to do things on politics, on religion, on science.
There's a lot of different things where it's more of
an alternative believe, an alternative truth so to speak, that
you know, people might not be exposed to. So we
want to keep the story going so that people can
continue the dialogue and point people to information that is
conclusive and causes them to stop and go.
Speaker 4: What if this is all true?
Speaker 6: Really, that's what we want people to think at the
end of the film, to ask themselves, what if this
is all true?
Speaker 4: What does that mean? Talk about it, wonder about it.
Speaker 1: Well, we definitely wish you the best of luck with
the film, and we'll be keeping tabs and seeing how
it comes forth and hopefully we get a chance to
see it here in the near future. John and Jack
I just want to thank you so much for coming
onto the program tonight.
Speaker 3: It was a pleasure speaking with you.
Speaker 4: Thanks a lot. We'd be happy to come back anytime.
Speaker 9: Okay, thanks for your time, guys, all the best to you,
great great job.
Speaker 5: Thank thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And Bruce, thank you for coming on. And we're looking
for or to doing more shows here. And to everyone listening,
thank you for listening to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio.
Tune in every Monday evening here at nine pm Eastern
Standard Time on the Dark Matter Radio Network, and we
sign off, yes and thank you Keith, and we sign
off with our weekly wisdom from Greg Gonzalez. Just remember
never compliment a woman on her sideburns, no matter how
magnificent they look.
Speaker 3: D have a good night, everybody,