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Speaker 1: Imagine driving home right after sundown. Okay, you are a

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twenty two year old forestry worker and you are just

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absolutely bone tire.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just completely drained exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've had this brutal, back breaking day of

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clearing heavy brush and hauling timber, and it is freezing

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cold out, your muscles ache with that deep lactic acid burn.

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The radio in the dash is probably humming some low,

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staticky country.

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Speaker 2: Tomb just trying to stay await.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you are staring out the window, looking forward

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to absolutely nothing more than a hot, heavy meal.

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Speaker 2: In a warm bed, the simple things.

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Speaker 1: Right, You're huddled in the back of this beaten up

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crew truck and it's bouncing violently along a desolate, deeply

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rutted logging.

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Speaker 2: Road, boxed in by the trees.

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Speaker 1: Completely boxed in by dense, towering, seemingly endless pine trees.

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The darkness out there is absolute.

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Speaker 2: It's a very specific kind of isolation, it really is.

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Speaker 1: And then you see something. It starts as just these faint,

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unnatural glimmers of light leading through the thick branches, and

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at first your exhausted brain just tries to rationalize it,

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like maybe it's a reflection.

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Speaker 2: Or a downed aircraft.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, exactly. But the lights are entirely too high

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up to be headlights from another vehicle on a ridge,

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and they are far too localized, too deliberate to be

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the setting sun.

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Speaker 2: So something is definitely.

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Speaker 1: Off, very off. Suddenly the truck rounds a bend, the

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tree line breaks and you're looking at a clearly defined,

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enormous metallic disc. Wow, and it is hovering completely silently

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in the twilight sky. Just hang in there, Just hang

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in there. Truck slams on the brakes. You step out

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into the freezing air, drawn by this potent, intoxicating mixture

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of adrenaline and pure primal.

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Speaker 2: Curiosity, because you have to know what it is.

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Speaker 1: You want a closer look. You actually need a closer look.

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But as you take those first tentative steps onto the brush,

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the air itself fundamentally changes.

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Speaker 2: The episphere shifts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, your crewmates, the ones still huddle in the terrified

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safety of the truck. They would later describe a sound

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that they didn't just hear with their ears.

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Speaker 2: They felt it.

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Speaker 1: They felt it vibrating deep within their bone marrow. It

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was this low, oscillating hum that literally rattled the heavy

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metal chassis of their vehicle. That is just incredible, and

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then bam, an energy beam, blindingly bright and impossibly fast

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hits you with the concussive kinetic force of a literal landmine.

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Good lord, they feel a devastating, chest crushing physical blow,

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and that is coupled in the exact same fraction of

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a second with a massive paralyzing electric.

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Speaker 2: Shock coursing through everything.

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Speaker 1: Coursing through every single nerve ending in your body. You

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are thrown backward through the air like a rag doll,

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and then the world goes completely utterly black.

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Speaker 2: It really remains one of the most visceral, highly documented

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and heavily scrutinized accounts in the entire history of unexplained phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely does.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the physical trauma inflicted, the sheer number of

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terrified corroborating witnesses who fled the scene.

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Speaker 1: Right his whole crew exactly.

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Speaker 2: The overwhelming sensory overload of that singular moment in the woods.

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It completely and violently shatters our standard, comfortable, everyday understanding

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of reality.

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Speaker 1: It really does.

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Speaker 2: It takes everything we think we know about physics and

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biology and just throws it out the window and more importantly,

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it forces us to ask the terrifying question of what

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exactly happens after the.

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Speaker 1: Blackout exactly, and that is exactly where we are going.

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Welcome everyone to Thrilling Threads.

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Speaker 2: We are so incredibly glad you were sitting here with

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us today.

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Speaker 1: We really are. For those of you who might be

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new to our discussions, our mission on this show is straightforward,

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but expansive, very expansive. We took a massive stack of

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fascinating source material. We're talking expert testimonies, historical data, heavily

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researched accounts, and declassified files, and we relentlessly follow the threads.

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Speaker 2: We pull up the frayed edges of the things you

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thought you knew, the.

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Speaker 1: Things you take for granted, and we see exactly where

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the tapestry ravels, and man, we have an absolute mountain

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of material to get through.

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Speaker 2: We really do.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about a stack of research that stands

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from modern, deeply analyzed extraterrestrial encounters exactly like the one

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I just described, right all the way back thousands of

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years to ancient supposedly divine medical texts.

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Speaker 2: Which is fascinating on its own.

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Speaker 1: And it even bleeds down into the mind bending mathematical

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theories of modern quantum physics.

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Speaker 2: It covers so much ground.

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Speaker 1: It does. We are exploring the threads to examine a

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concept that has haunted humanity for millennia, and that concept

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is shape shifting. Yeah, but we aren't talking about fairy

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tales here. We are looking at whether this phenomenon is

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a highly advanced, weaponized psychological trick.

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Speaker 2: Or a literal, tangible biological manipulation of DNA right.

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Speaker 1: Or perhaps even a mechanical gateway to entirely different dimensions

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of existence.

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Speaker 2: And I know that while the mere concept of shape

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shifting might immediately conjure up image from comic books or fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Novels for you or late night sci fi movies.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, but the sheer volume of cross cultural, highly specific

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accounts in the data demands a much more serious, rigorous,

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and analytical approach.

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Speaker 1: We have to look closer.

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Speaker 2: We do. We aren't just looking at cultural folklore or

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campfire ghost stories.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 2: We are looking at modern documented accounts back by seasoned professionals.

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Speaker 1: People with decades of experience in law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: Yes, alongside incredible theories from the scientific and theoretical physics community.

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And we are cross referencing those with ancient historical texts

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that document the seemingly impossible with clinical precisions.

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Speaker 1: It's all connected.

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Speaker 2: When you have this many wildly disparate sources, separated by

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thousands of years of history and thousands of miles of geography,

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yet all describing the exact same underlying mechanics of physical biological.

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Speaker 1: Transformation, you have to pay attention.

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Speaker 2: You have to look past the surface level. We have

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to stop dismissing it as myth and start analyzing the

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how and the why.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this, because to really understand the how

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and the why, we have to go right back to

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that twenty two year old forestry worker Travis Walton, right

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back to the forest exactly. So we left him unconscious

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on the fourth floor. He blacks out after being hit

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by this concussive beam of energy, and when he finally

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regains consciousness, he finds himself in an utterly terrifying claustrophobic.

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Speaker 2: Situation, complete nightmare scenario.

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Speaker 1: He wakes up lying on his back on some kind

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of elevated metallic gurney or operating table. The air is heavy,

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the lighting is strange.

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Speaker 2: He's totally disoriented.

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Speaker 1: Completely. He opens his eyes. His head is pounding, and

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he is trying desperately to make sense of his surroundings,

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and his vision clears to reveal that he's looking straight

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into the face of a creature that is definitively, undeniably not.

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Speaker 2: Human, not even close to human.

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Speaker 1: No, he is surrounded by these beings, the ones commonly

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described in euphology as Gray's right, and naturally, he absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Flips out as anyone would right.

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Speaker 1: He goes into full primal fighter flight mode. He panics,

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He starts swinging, struggling, violently, just grabbing whatever he can

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find to fight his way off this table.

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Speaker 1: Thinks he is. Yeah, And here is the crucial, bizarre

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detail that changes everything. The Grays don't subdue him.

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Speaker 2: They don't fight back at all.

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Speaker 1: They don't immediately turn and leave the room. They just exit.

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But then, almost immediately after the door closes, two human

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looking entities walk right through that same.

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Speaker 2: Door, beings that look completely indistinguishable from us. This is

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the pivot point of the entire encounter, and it is

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endlessly fascinating from a psychological and biological standpoint.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: Let's paint the picture for you of what Walton was

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initially reacting to. When we talk about grays, the classical

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description involves entities that are short, perhaps three to four

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feet tall, right with pale, grayish skin, completely devoid of hair,

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lacking distinct facial features like a pronounced nose or lips,

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but possessing massive, bulbous heads and enormous, solid black, almond

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Speaker 1: It's a terrifying image.

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Speaker 2: It is to a human brain, which has evolved over

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millions of years to specifically recognize and read micro expressions

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on human faces, looking at a gray triggers an immediate, visceral,

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Uncanny Valley response. It registers as a profound existential threat.

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Speaker 1: Your brain just screams danger.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. So Walton is in a state of primal, unadulterated terror,

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fighting for his life against beings his brain cannot comprehend.

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Speaker 1: And then they leave.

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Speaker 2: The entities leave, and beings that look exactly like human

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beings walk in. But according to the deep analysis from

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researchers like Michael Salah and Nick Pope, who have spent

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years dissepting these types of encounters, this wasn't a changing

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of the guard. It wasn't a fortuitous rescue mission by

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sympathetic spacefaring humanoids who just happen to be hanging out

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on the same crap. This would be convenient, very convenient.

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these weren't different aliens at all. They were the exact

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same beings that had just left the room. Wow, But

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they possessed the advanced biological technology to shape shift into

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a human form, specifically to manage Walton's psychological state.

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Speaker 1: They changed their bodies for him.

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Speaker 2: They actively physically change their form just to calm him down.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, I'm struggling with this part a bit because

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go for it. If we are talking about an incredibly

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advanced interstellar or interdimensional species, right, beings.

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Speaker 2: Capable of traversing the Cosmos, building anti gravity craft, and

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shooting concussive energy beams. Yes, Why go through the immense,

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highly complex biological effort of physically shape shifting just to

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Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of work, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Why not just use some kind of advanced airborne anesthesia

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him go to sleep, right, physically altering your entire cellular structure. Sure,

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just to play good cup seems incredibly inefficient, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's a fantastic question, and it's the exact right kind

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of skepticism to apply here. Why the biological theater, Well,

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if we look at the evolutionary psychology of it, an

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induced chemical coma doesn't build compliance, It just incapacitates. I

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see if these beings required Walton to be conscious, perhaps

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for observation or to study his neurological responses without the

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dampening effects of anesthesia.

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Speaker 2: They needed him awake.

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Speaker 1: They needed him awake but not. Combative telepathy or mind

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control might work, but forcing a brain into submission could

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taint the very psychological data they are trying to gather.

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Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. By presenting a human face,

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they are hacking his biology through environmental stimuli rather than

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Speaker 1: They're hacking him visually exactly.

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Speaker 2: They are exploiting the fact that the human brains fusiform.

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Speaker 1: Gyos, the facial recognition part.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the part of the brain responsible for facial recognition.

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It is hardwired to release calming neurotransmitter when it sees

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a familiar, symmetrical human face in a moment of extreme isolation,

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is so manipulative. It reveals a level of calculation that

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is deeply unsettling. If an entity can alter its literal

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physical form for the sole purpose of managing a human

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being's stress.

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Speaker 1: Response, it means they know us perfectly.

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Speaker 2: It implies an intimate, mastery level knowledge of human psychology, neuroscience,

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and biological triggers. They understand our hardwiring better than we do.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: They know precisely what comforts us, and they possess the

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capability to weaponize that comfort. It's not just camouflage to

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hide in a forest. It is dynamic camouflage, designed specifically

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to manipulate human emotion and establish false, desperate trust.

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Speaker 1: And what's wild is that, according to Walton's own account,

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even this incredibly advanced biological theater didn't entirely work.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't perfect.

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Speaker 1: No, he says, he stared at these human looking beings,

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and while the initial panic subsided a bit, he slowly

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started having serious creeping misgivings.

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Speaker 2: He knew something was wrong, something was off.

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Speaker 1: The mannerisms, the eyes, the lack of verbal communication, he

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started to realize that these weren't a rescue party at all.

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Speaker 2: He saw through the disguise.

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Speaker 1: He realized it was a deception. And right does that

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realization hit him? Right as his heart rate probably started

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spiking again. They simply put a mask over his face

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and he blacked out a second time. Plan b Right,

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so they finally resorted to the chemical off switch.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, they had to pivot.

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Speaker 1: And, according to the research for Michael Salah, Walton's account

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is far from isolated. Sala's data points out that there

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are numerous highly detailed stories from other individuals across the

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globe who have experienced strikingly similar phenomena a pattern. It is.

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They described the exact same pattern of seeing terrifying non

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human entities that step out of sight and are suddenly

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replaced by beings that look entirely perfectly human. It's a recurring,

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documented operational tactic, which is a terrifying thought which brings

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us to a data point that genuinely made me laugh

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out loud, but then immediately gave me the chills when

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I really thought about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the polling data.

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Speaker 1: Yes. In twenty thirteen, Public Policy Polling released a massive

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data set showing that twelve million Americans genuinely firmly believe

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that shape shifting beings live among us right now. Twelve million,

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twelve million. I mean, you have to think about that

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next time you are standing in line at the.

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Speaker 2: Grocery store, we're sitting in traffic, or.

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Speaker 1: A painfully boring PTA meeting. It really makes you look

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at your neighbors differently, doesn't it. It really does you start

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wondering if the guy across the street, the one whose

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lawn is always a little too perfectly manicured, isn't just

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a dedicated landscaper, right, but is actually a highly advanced

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entity just trying to perfectly mimic mundane suburban human behavior. Right.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to picture the guy with the perfect grass

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and the slightly stiff wave and think definitely an alien exactly.

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true realities of suburban life, but joking aside. Researchers like

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Fenton and Nick Pope take this underlying concept incredibly seriously.

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Speaker 1: They really do.

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Speaker 2: They propose a framework that is entirely grounded and strategic logic,

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and frankly it is chilling. They refer to this as

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the fifth column theory.

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Speaker 1: The fifth column, yes for you listening.

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Speaker 2: A fifth column is a traditional military and political term.

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It refers to a clandestine group or faction of subversive

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agents who attempt to undermine a nation's solidarity.

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Speaker 1: From within, from the inside out.

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Speaker 2: Fenton and Pope suggest that there might be a class

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of entities currently on our world capable of representing themselves

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as humans at will, acting as a biological fifth column.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the silent invasion theory, because culturally, we have been

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completely conditioned by Hollywood to imagine an alien invasion as

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this massive, overt, violently noisy display of technological superiority.

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Speaker 2: The big, dramatic entrance.

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Speaker 1: We expect, the giant, miles wide saucers hovering menacingly over

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major cities, casting massive.

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Speaker 2: Shadows Independence Day style exactly.

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Speaker 1: We expect, the green laser beams blowing up historical landmarks,

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the military jets dogfighting in the sky, the sheer, explosive

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spectacle of it. All Right, the Pope asked us to

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step back and reconsider what actual disclosure or invasion looks

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like from the perspective of a vastly superior intelligence.

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Speaker 2: Because why would they do that?

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Speaker 1: Right? What if it isn't an assault? What if it

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is a quiet, methodical infiltration. I mean, it's the ultimate

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trojan horse strategy.

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Speaker 2: It makes complete strategic sense.

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Speaker 1: Why bother blowing up the White House or vaporizing the

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military when you can just shope, shift into a perfectly

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tailored human suit.

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Speaker 2: Walk confidently right through the front.

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Speaker 1: Doors, and slowly get your people elected or appointed into

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positions of immense global power over the course of several decades.

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It's a terrifyingly elegant strategy.

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Speaker 2: Elegance is exactly the right word for it. Let's analyze

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it strictly from a strategic resource management standpoint. A covert

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biological infiltration is vastly superior to allowed military assault in

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almost every conceivable metric. So well, an overt assault unifies

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the target species against you. It creates immediate, desperate global resistance.

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It destroys the very infrastructure and resources you might be

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coming to conquer.

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Speaker 1: That's true, you'd ruin the planet you're trying to take exactly.

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Speaker 2: But infiltration it requires a fraction of the resources. It

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generates absolutely zero immediate resistance because the host civilization doesn't

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even know they are under.

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Speaker 1: Attack, we'd be totally blind to it.

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Speaker 2: It allows the infiltrating force to manipulate the global economy,

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military deployments, and environmental policies of the host civilization from

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the inside out. Wow, essentially making humanity engineer its own subjugation.

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Nick Pope makes the sobering point that an entity utilizing

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this biological technology could walk right past you on.

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Speaker 1: The sidewalk, it could be anywhere.

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Speaker 2: They could brush shoulders with you on a crowded subway car,

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that could be handing you your coffee, and you would

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be entirely, blissfully oblivious.

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Speaker 1: That is so creepy to think about.

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Speaker 2: If we accept the premise that shape shifting is a

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tangible reality, then the clear comforting boundary between us and

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them is completely erased.

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Speaker 1: Line is gone.

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Speaker 2: The threat isn't lurking in the dark expanse of the sky.

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The threat is the person sitting in the cubicle next

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to yours.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though, because if we

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entertain the idea that these entities are already here, walking

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around in human form, the immediate next questions have to be.

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Speaker 2: How did they get here?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah? How do they physically get here? And where

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do they actually come from? Because if they aren't flying

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down in shiny metal space ships that are radar and track,

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what is the delivery mechanism?

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Speaker 2: We have to look at alternate modes of travel, right, and.

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Speaker 1: To explore that thread, we have to travel away from

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the dense pine forests of Arizona and the crowded city

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subways and we head to a very specific, highly secure,

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and deeply strange, five hundred acre expanse of land in

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the Yuina Basin of Utah Ah Yeah, a place widely

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known in all the research as Skinwalker Ranch, the epicenter,

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the absolute epicenter. For anyone who might not be familiar

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with every detail of this location, Skinwalker Ranch is considered

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the undisputed epicenter of high strangeness on planet Earth.

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Speaker 2: I was out of doubt.

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Speaker 1: According to decades of data, government studies and private research.

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Almost any paranormal or anomalous activity you can possibly imagine

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has allegedly happened within the borders of this ranch.

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Speaker 2: It's a hot spot for everything.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about, massive UFO sightings, violent and destructive

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poultergeist activity. The sudden appearances of extinct prehistoric beasts roaming

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the sage brush, and the shape shifting and of course

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sightings of terrifying shape shifting monsters. But the one consistent,

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maddening detail across all these wildly bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Reports, the delivery method.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the thread that ties all this chaos together is

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how these things arrive. These entities and creatures don't hike

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in from the surrounding mountains. They don't land in ships

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that leave burn marks. According to the observers, they appear suddenly,

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completely out of thin air.

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Speaker 2: And this is precisely where we transition from discussing the

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mechanics of biological manipulation to the much larger and much

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more profound mechanics of space time itself.

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Speaker 1: It's a big jump.

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Speaker 2: It is the phenomena documented at Skinwalker Ranch challenge the

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very foundational laws of how we perceive physical boundaries and reality.

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Investigative journalist George.

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Speaker 1: Knapp, he's done amazing work on this.

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Speaker 2: He really has. He spent years extensively covering the heavily guarded,

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often top secret, and heavily funded scientific activities at the Ranch,

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and he documented an encounter that perfectly chillingly illustrates this mechanism.

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Speaker 1: Oh the tunnel story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it is vital to note that we aren't

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talking about anecdotal campfire stories from frightened teenagers here. NAP's

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account involves two highly credential PhD level scientists who were

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actively employed to study the ranch using Milli Terry great hardware.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love this specific account because it is just

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so incredibly detailed. So I want you to picture this.

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It is the dead of night out in the Utah Basin.

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The darkness is absolute.

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Speaker 2: Very isolated.

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Speaker 1: These two highly trained, rigorously skeptical scientists are out in

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the field doing their job. They are stationed up on

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a high ridge looking down at the middle homestead of

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the ranch, and they are sweeping the pitch black landscape

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using advanced, highly sensitive infrared equipment to monitor the area

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for heat.

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Speaker 2: Signatures, looking for anything unusual.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly, one of the scientists looks through the infrared scope

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and sees something completely bizarre that should not be there, anomaly.

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He describes it as looking like a dirty snowball of light,

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just this yellowish, murky sphere of energy hovering completely silently

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in the air, just a couple of feet off the ground.

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Speaker 2: Floating there.

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Speaker 1: He immediately radios his partner, who is stationed down below,

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to confirm the visual. The partner looks and says, yes,

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he sees the light, but from his angle it's vague and.

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Speaker 2: Unfocused because of his positioning right.

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Speaker 1: And then the scientist up on the ridge, the one

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looking through the high powered infrared keyses radio and says, hey,

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something's happening. It's changing.

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Speaker 2: What's fascinating. Here is the precise mechanical visual description of

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that change, so specific.

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Speaker 1: Very this hovering ball of light doesn't behave like a

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flare or a drone. It doesn't just glow brighter or

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fly away into the sky. According to NAP's rigorous documentation

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of the scientist's logs, the light begins to dynamically expand.

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It stretches, it stretches out, It literally elongates, pulling itself

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apart until it forms what the scientist can only describe

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as a free standing, glowing tunnel of light, hovering in

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the middle of the desert, floating in the air. And

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then the truly impossible happens. From inside the depth of

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this glowing tunnel, a massive, physical humanoid figure begins to emerge.

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Oh Man NAP's report describes the entity as being absolutely massive,

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seven or eight feet tall, completely pitch black, and entirely featureless.

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No eyes nothing, no eyes, no face, no clothing, just

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a massive, dense shadow. It's described as if this monstrous

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entity reaches up from whatever space it is in, grabs

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the physical edges of this tunnel of light like it's

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a doorway.

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Speaker 2: Like holding the doorframe.

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Speaker 1: Exactly pulls its massive shoulders through, and heavily crawls out

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onto the dirt of our physical.

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Speaker 2: Space that is wild, and the very moment its feet

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are fully on the ground, the tunnel immediately collapses back

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into a tight ball of light and completely vanishes, leaving

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this massive creature standing in the dark.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it literally gives me goosebumps just thinking about

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the sheer existential dread of witnessing that.

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Speaker 2: It's horrifying.

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Speaker 1: An eight foot featureless shadow monster just crawling out of

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a glowing hole in the air right into your reality.

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It is pure nightmare fuel.

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Speaker 2: It is deeply unsettling on a primal level, yes, But

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if we force ourselves to look at it scientifically without

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the emotion of fear, it points to a very specific

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theoretical mechanism a portal, right, This was not a physical

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craft landing. This was, by all descriptive and observational accounts,

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a dimensional tunnel, a wormhole, or an Einstein Rosen bridge

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opening within the Earth's atmosphere doorway. It strongly suggests that

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this massive entity was traveling from an entirely different reality

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or perhaps a different point in space time, and actively

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stepping through a temporary, localized doorway directly into our physical environment.

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Speaker 1: And this idea of doorways or portals opening up on

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the ranch isn't just a modern scientific theory cooked up

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by guys with infrared cameras.

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Speaker 2: No, it goes way back.

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Speaker 1: It is deeply fundamentally embedded in the ancient history of

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the land itself. When you look at the oral history

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as a Navajo and the U tribes who have lived

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in that specific rugged region for centuries, they know the area,

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they have long held deeply respected traditions that these portals

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are absolutely real. In fact, there are detailed Navajo emergence

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stories detailing how their ancient ancestors literally moved through several

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distinct underground.

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Speaker 2: Worlds, surviving various cataclysms yes, and.

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Speaker 1: Eventually coming into this current world through a physical hole

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in the ground, a literal portal, the emergence point. There

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are tribal historians and elders who state, matter of factly,

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without any sense of mythology, that these physical holes in

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the universe allow travel into different dimensions, and that they

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have existed on that land for eons.

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Speaker 2: It's just a fact of life for them.

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Speaker 1: Their belief is that if you possess the ancient knowledge,

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the right frequencies, or the right rituals, you can literally

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travel back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Which perfectly elegantly bridges ancient indigenous knowledge with the absolute

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bleeding edge of modern theoretical physics.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how those line up.

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Speaker 2: We see this convergence quite often when we dig deep

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enough into the sources. Researchers like Redfern point out that

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modern quantum physics, specifically string theory and m theory, fundamentally

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allows for and mathematically requires the existence of multiple.

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Speaker 1: Dimensions, dimensions existing right on top of ours.

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Speaker 2: That coexists simultaneously, right on top of our own. We

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humans tend to perceive reality as a single, solid, inescapable room.

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We think the three D space we can see and

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touch is all there is. That's a whole world, but

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quantum mechanics suggests reality is actually much more like an

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infinitely massive, towering apartment building, and we were just living

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inside one specific, isolated unit.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that analogy.

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Speaker 2: It works well. What is happening at Skinwalker Ranch, according

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to this theoretical framework, is a localized geographic breakdown of

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the structural walls.

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Speaker 1: Between those apartments, the walls with thinning.

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Speaker 2: Redfern beautifully describes it as a bleed over place, a

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highly specific location on the planet where the electromagnetic or

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gravitational barrier between dimensions is incredibly thin.

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Speaker 1: So things can slip through.

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Speaker 2: Allowing strange creatures, unusual energetic entity, and even lost human

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beings to quite literally jump or accidentally fall from their

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parallel dimension right into ours.

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Speaker 1: I really love that apartment building analogy. It's like the

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universe has a leaky roof right over the state of Utah,

516
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right and all the weirdness from the upstairs neighbors keeps

517
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dripping down into our living room.

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Speaker 2: That's a great way to picture it.

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Speaker 1: And futurists Caroline Corey takes this quantum idea even further,

520
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trying to explain the actual structure of how these portals.

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Speaker 2: Form her theories are fascinating.

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Speaker 1: She argues that the physical universe at its absolute microscopic

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base level, is entirely based on sacred geometry. Her theory

524
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suggests that there is a massive matrix, a grid, a geometric,

525
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intricately patterned weblike grid system that wraps completely around our

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entire planet. Think of it like the Earth being wrapped

527
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at a giant, invisible, highly porous geometric net of energy.

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Speaker 2: Like a structural scaffolding.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, this net has specific, mathematically precise intersection points, nodes

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where the energy lines cross. Under normal circumstances, this energetic

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grid holds the fabric of our three D reality together.

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Speaker 2: It keeps the walls of the apartment building solid.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but if there is a massive energetic tear, a fluctuation,

534
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or a weakness in the fabric at one of these

535
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specific intersections, like Skinwalker Ranch, like the exact geographical coordinates

536
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:22,359
of Skinwalker Ranch, you are going to see all kinds

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of impossible reality breaking anomalies.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. It provides a logical structural framework for high strangeness.

539
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It takes it out of the realm of magic and

540
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places it firmly in the realm of hyperadvanced physics.

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Speaker 1: It makes it mechanical.

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Speaker 2: If Corey's geometric matrix theory is accurate, these tears or

543
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fluctuations in the spatial fabric act as unregulated chaotic turnstyles

544
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between realities turnstyles. It perfectly explains why a deeply confused

545
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,319
prehistoric animal might suddenly be seen wandering through the Utah sagebrush,

546
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or why an orb of light can stretch itself into

547
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a literal doorway for a shadow entity.

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Speaker 1: They just stumble in.

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Speaker 2: They aren't traveling millions of light years through outer space

550
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in the traditional linear sense. They are taking a shortcut.

551
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They are finding a weak point in the geometric grid

552
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and simply falling through a tear in the literal fabric

553
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of reality.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's pause here and pull these two massive

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ideas together.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: If we accept the premise that travel between dimensions or

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00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,519
realms is mechanically possible through these geometric portals, right, and

559
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we accept that the entities coming through possess the biological

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technology to alter their physical forms to interact with us

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or manipulate us.

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Speaker 2: We have to ask a massive historical question.

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Speaker 1: Exactly has this happened before? Yeh is Travis Walton's encounter

564
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,480
in the Skinwalker Ranch anomalies just modern phenomena or has

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this been happening consistently throughout human history?

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Speaker 2: A very important thread to follow.

567
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Speaker 1: To follow this thread, we need to leave the deserts

568
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of the American Southwest. We are going to travel over

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seven and a half thousand miles away and journey thousands

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of year years back in time. We are heading to

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the ancient city of Varanasi.

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Speaker 2: India, a truly ancient place.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to ask you about the historical precedent

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here because when we talk about ancient Aliens, people usually

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picture pyramids, But our research is pointing us toward medicine.

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What makes Varanasi so crucial to this investigation?

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Speaker 2: The geographical and historical context of Varanasi is vital. It

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is located roughly five hundred miles southeast of Delhi, situated

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directly on the sacred banks of the River Ganges. It

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is widely considered by historians and archaeologists to be one

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of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on the entire planet.

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The layers of history there are unfathomable.

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Speaker 1: It goes back so far and.

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Speaker 2: Crucially for our investigation. According to deep rooted historical legend

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and ancient texts, it is a city that was not

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founded by early human settlers.

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Speaker 1: It was founded by the gods.

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Speaker 2: It was established by the gods themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and because of that divine connection, Varanasi became this incredible,

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thriving ancient center of deep knowledge, philosophy and learning.

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Speaker 2: A real hub.

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Speaker 1: The text point us to a specific ancient physician named

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Sushruta who lived in practice there. Now. Historians widely credit

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this man, Sushuta, with essentially developing the entire art of

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complex invasive surgery.

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Speaker 2: It's astounding what he achieved.

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Speaker 1: And I want to be very clear here. We are

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not talking about a guy who figured out how to

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just tightly wrap a battle wound in clean bandages, or

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how to set a broken bone with sticks.

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Speaker 2: No, this was advanced.

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Speaker 1: Sushruda was performing highly advanced, mind bogglingly complex medical procedures

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in ancient India. We're talking about literal successful skin grafts.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: He was performing complex cataract removals in the human eye

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on the eye.

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Speaker 2: I think about how delicate that is.

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Speaker 1: Exactly he was even doing early functional forms of plastic surgery,

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specifically rhinoplasty, to reconstruct the noses of people who had

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been mutilated.

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Speaker 2: The level of skill required is immense.

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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? I mean, my mind

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is absolutely blown just trying to imagine someone successfully executing

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a delicate cataract surgery thousands of years.

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Speaker 2: Ago without modern tools.

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Speaker 1: How on Earth did an ancient civilization existing entirely without

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modern high powered microscopes, without chemical anesthesia, without sterile, pressurized

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operating theaters, or a modern understanding of germ theory possess

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such a granular, highly advanced, microscopic understanding of human anatomy

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and surgical reconstruction.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be possible.

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Speaker 1: It just shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: You are entirely correct to be astounded. It is an incredible,

624
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almost inexplicable technological and scientific anomaly for the time period.

625
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The leap in knowledge is staggering.

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Speaker 1: It really is a lead.

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Speaker 2: To contextualize this, Let's briefly look at Areveda, the system

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of medicine Sushruda is credited with founding. Areveda isn't just

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a collection of herbal remedies. It is a massive, incredibly complex,

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holistic medical framework. It covers everything It requires a profound

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understanding of how different biological systems, the nervous system, the

632
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circulatory system, the digestive tract all interact and balance each other.

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Speaker 1: It's systemic.

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Speaker 2: It requires a knowledge base that usually takes a civilization

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thousands of years of painful trial, error and dissection to achieve.

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Speaker 1: Generations of learning.

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Speaker 2: But here is the absolute crux of the mystery. Sushruda

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himself did not claim to have discovered these complex surgical

639
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techniques through centuries of human trial and error.

640
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Speaker 1: He didn't take the credit.

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Speaker 2: He didn't claim he figured it out by dissecting bodies.

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In the ancient texts, Sushruda was profoundly clear about the

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exact origin of his miraculous medical prowess.

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Speaker 1: Where did it come from?

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Speaker 2: According to the foundational Hindu texts and legends, Sushruda explicitly

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stated that he received this highly advanced anatomical knowledge, this

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complete medical framework, directly from a god named than Bontari okay.

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Speaker 1: And this is where the shape shifting thread weaves back

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into the tapestry beautifully, because Don Vanari wasn't just considered

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a regular deity who hung out in the clouds.

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Speaker 2: No, he was very hands on.

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Speaker 1: He was revered as a high level god who provided

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humanity with a complete, perfect healing modality entirely based on

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a microscopic understanding of both the physical biology and the

655
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subtle energetic aspects of the human body.

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Speaker 2: A master of biology.

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Speaker 1: Now Traditionally, in the ancient art and statues, Donventari is

658
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depicted having forearms holding a conk shell, a discus, a

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leech for blood letting at a pot containing the nectar

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of immortality, along with various medicinal herbs.

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Speaker 2: A very distinct figure.

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Speaker 1: But the ancient legend states very specifically that Donventari was

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a shape shifter.

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Speaker 2: This is the key.

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Speaker 1: When he journeyed from the heavens down to Earth to

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drocy interact with human beings and teach them these medical secrets.

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He could and did take on various physical forms, and

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one of his primary most documented forms was that of

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a bird.

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Speaker 2: If we connect this specific detail to the bigger picture,

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a genuinely fascinating, almost undeniable pattern begins to emerge across

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completely disconnected ancient cultures.

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Speaker 1: The patterns are crazy.

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Speaker 2: We have don Ventari in ancient India passing down hyperadvanced

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medical knowledge while possessing the divine ability to shift his

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physical form into an avian creature, a bird. And then

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if we look thousands of miles away, across impassable deserts

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and oceans to ancient Egypt, we find the exact same story.

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Foth we have thought. Thought is the highly revered Egyptian

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god of wisdom and mathematics, writing and crucially healing and medicine.

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Speaker 1: Medicine again, and how is Thought.

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Speaker 2: Famously universally depicted in Egyptian hieroglyphs as a shape shifting

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half man half bird entity, specifically a human body with

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the head of an iabis bird.

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Speaker 1: It's just entirely too specific to be a random coincidence, right, Yeah,

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you have two incredibly ancient, foundational human cultures separated by thousands.

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Speaker 2: Of miles, totally isolated from each other.

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Speaker 1: Both cultures suddenly experience a massive, inexplicable leap in their

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understanding of advanced medicine, invasive surgery, and human anatomy. And

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in both distinct cultures, their historical records state that the

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entity who hands them this incredible gift of knowledge is

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associated with the celestial, extraterrestrial or divine origin. And Randy

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possesses a bird like shape shifting physical form.

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Speaker 2: The parallels are too exact to ignore. Researchers who focus

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on these ancient texts, including prominent figures like William Henry,

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Georgia A. Suclos and the late Philip Coppins, synthesizes data

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to form a highly compelling.

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Speaker 1: Hypothesis, ancient astronaut theory.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they operate under the framework of ancient astronaut theory

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for anyone listening. Ancient astronaut theory is the hypothesis that

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intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited Earth in antiquity and profoundly influence

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the development of human civilization, technology, and religion to give

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us a jumpstart. Exactly, Our ancestors simply lacked the vocabulary

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to describe aliens in spaceships, so they called them gods

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and chariots of fire.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Succolos points out that Sushruda plainly stated he learned his

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surgical techniques from the gods. Through the analytical lens of

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ancient astronaut theory, this translates directly to highly advanced non

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human extraterrestrial entities actively instructing early humanity. They were the

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teachers They argue that our original foundational knowledge of human

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anatomy of how to open the body, repair it, and

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heal it didn't evolve slowly through human experimentation. It was

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actively injected into our historical timeline by extraterrestrial sources.

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Speaker 1: Philip Coppins makes a really great point about this too.

716
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He notes that if you look closely, almost every single

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ancient culture across the globe will tell you that the

718
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,360
first surgeon, the very concept of medicine and biological healing

719
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,360
was a direct gift from the heavens.

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Speaker 2: It was never claimed as a human invention.

721
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: Never, it was always documented as divine intervention. But I

722
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,559
have to be honest, I keep getting hung up on

723
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:53,320
the bird.

724
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: Aspect of all this avian form.

725
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Speaker 1: Why a bird? If you are a highly advanced interdimensional

726
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:04,159
or ex terrestrial being possessing the technology to travel across

727
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:08,719
the cosmos and the biological knowledge to teach early humans

728
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,800
how to perform complex skin graphs, why on Earth would

729
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,000
you choose to show up looking like a giant ibis

730
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,440
or an eagle? I mean, going back at Travis Watson,

731
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,519
those entities shape shifted to look human to build trust.

732
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,360
A giant birdman seems incredibly terrifying. Yeah, why not just

733
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:24,920
look human?

734
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: That is precisely the right question to ask, and it

735
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,599
raises an important point about the complex mechanics of communication

736
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,079
between vastly different, entirely alien species. Also, we discussed earlier

737
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:39,039
how the entities in Travis Walton's encounter shape shifted into

738
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:42,559
a human form specifically to reduce his immediate psychological trauma

739
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,679
and hack his facial recognition software. Perhaps these ancient extraterrestrial

740
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,199
visitors utilize the exact same biological strategy, but tailored it

741
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,880
specifically to the deeply ingrained cultural, spiritual, and cognitive framework

742
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:56,639
of early primitive humans.

743
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Speaker 1: They played to the audience think about.

744
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Speaker 2: Early humanity's real life relationship with the natural world. Taking

745
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,440
the form of a massive bird, a creature of the

746
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,280
sky universally associated by ancient humans with the heavens, with flight,

747
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,239
with power, and with the unreachable realm above, might have

748
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been an incredibly deliberate, highly calculated shape shifting.

749
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Speaker 1: Choice because it commands awe.

750
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,159
Speaker 2: It instantly projected absolute authority, It visually confirmed their origin

751
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,639
from the heavens. It was a physical form that was

752
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,639
deeply awe inspiring, perhaps a bit terrifying, but ultimately biologically

753
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:34,800
recognizable and revered by the ancients.

754
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Speaker 1: It's basically a uniform.

755
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:37,679
Speaker 2: They didn't just want to blend in. They wanted to

756
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be listened to, obeyed, and remembered. So they utilized their

757
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,840
shape shifting technology to shift into an avatar, a divine

758
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,679
avian uniform that early humanity was culturally pre programmed to revere.

759
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,039
Speaker 1: Wow.

760
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: It allowed them to successfully act as teachers and pass

761
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,199
down the literal, microscopic mechanics of human biology.

762
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: There is an absolutely brilliant way to look at it.

763
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:03,400
They're basically putting on a culturally appropriate divine uniform to

764
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,800
get the job done efficiently. They knew a human face

765
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,039
wouldn't command the necessary respect to teach surgery, but a

766
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,440
sky god avatar absolutely would.

767
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: It's all about contexts.

768
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: But this entire concept of manipulating biology, both the human

769
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,360
bodies they are operating on and their own extraterrestrial bodies

770
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,639
to shift forms, brings us to our final and frankly,

771
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,360
most deeply terrifying thread of the day.

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00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: The Skinwalkers.

773
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Yes, we are leaving the ancient temples of India and

774
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,519
Egypt and heading right back to the dusty highways of

775
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,599
the American Southwest. We're going to focus specifically on the

776
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:41,320
local Navajo and Ute traditions surrounding the true namesake of

777
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,920
Skinwalker Ranch, the skinwalker itself.

778
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: It is absolutely crucial that we pause here and clearly

779
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,480
define exactly what a skinwalker is within this specific, deeply

780
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:51,920
respected cultural context.

781
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: It's often misunderstood, very often.

782
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,599
Speaker 2: We have spent a lot of time today discussing extraterrestrial

783
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,199
entities using advanced technology to change shape, or interdimensional beings

784
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,840
crawling out of portals, but the traditional skinwalker lore is

785
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:12,119
fundamentally conceptually different. According to deep rooted, highly guarded Navajo traditions,

786
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:16,800
a true skinwalker, known in their language as y nald Lushi,

787
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,199
is not an alien from another planet. It is not

788
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,000
an interdimensional shadow monster.

789
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: What is it? Then?

790
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: A skin walker is a human being. Specifically, it is

791
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:29,679
a human Navajo, shaman, medicine man, or witch who has

792
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,840
intentionally actively attained the darkest supernatural abilities in order to

793
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,679
transform their physical human body into that of an animal.

794
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Right and while the lore says they can take various

795
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,320
forms depending on their needs, bears, birds, coyotes the most

796
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,840
commonly reported and feared animal form is that of a massive,

797
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,280
unnaturally fast wolf. For canine.

798
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: The wolf form is very common in the reports.

799
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,199
Speaker 1: But I want to clarify something for you listening, because

800
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,400
we have all seen the movies. It's not like a

801
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,719
werewolf from a Hollywood blockbuster where the full moon comes

802
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,920
out and they are just victims of a curse magically

803
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,880
growing hair and losing their minds. No, it's a The

804
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,639
native tradition states very clearly that these are highly aware,

805
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,159
highly dangerous individuals who have undergone specific horrifying rituals to

806
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,800
gain a very precise type of dark power, magic and

807
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,239
biological shape changing ability. They choose to change.

808
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: They are completely in control.

809
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: And Jonathan Dover, a former Navajo Rangers police officer whose

810
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,559
research is heavily featured in the data we are looking

811
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:34,360
at today, provides some incredibly grounded clinical insight into how

812
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,440
this process is believed to actually work.

813
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: Dover's insights are invaluable.

814
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: Dover says that the fundamental terrifying view within the culture

815
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,559
is that these individuals are literally actively manipulating the DNA

816
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:48,159
of their own physical bodies.

817
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,199
Speaker 2: That is the pivotal phrase that bridges the ancient lore

818
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,320
with modern science.

819
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: DNA manipulation sounds like science fiction.

820
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: Dover explains that the skin walker usually transforms into an

821
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,480
animal for which they physically possess the pelt, the hide,

822
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,199
or the skin. They drape themselves in this physical animal

823
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:09,039
skin and combine it with highly specific ancient chants and

824
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:11,800
rituals to catalyze the biological transformation.

825
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:13,599
Speaker 1: It's described as magic.

826
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,119
Speaker 2: Culturally, it is described as dark magic. But when you

827
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:20,559
look at it through a modern, highly analytical scientific lens,

828
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,440
the concept of using foreign biological material, the animal skin,

829
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,159
to initiate a profound physical and genetic change in a

830
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,519
human body sounds remarkably like a rudimentary or perhaps a misunderstood,

831
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:34,800
hyperadvanced form of genetic engineering.

832
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: Yes, let's really dig into that, because I am trying

833
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,280
to wrap my head around the mechanics of how rubbing

834
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,679
an animal pelt on your shoulders rewrites your human DNA.

835
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating concept because.

836
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: We know about things like horizontal gene transfer in biology

837
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,119
right where organisms can transfer genetic material to another organism

838
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,079
without being its offspring. It happens in bacteria all the time.

839
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,280
If we look at the skin walker ritual like a

840
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,039
technological process, the animal PELT is essentially acting like a

841
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:04,440
biological USB drive loaded with wolf.

842
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,199
Speaker 2: DNA, a data storage device, and the chance.

843
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: The specific frequencies of the spoken words might act as

844
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,000
the executable code that tells the human cells to open up,

845
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,760
accept the new genetic data from the PELT, and temporarily

846
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,920
rewrite the human body's physical structure.

847
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: That is a brilliant analogy.

848
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: It's like they are biologically hacking themselves like a computer virus.

849
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: The computer virus analogy is incredibly apt. They are inputting

850
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,920
foreign code to temporarily override the host system. And this

851
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:35,920
concept of a DNA economy ties perfectly and shillingly into

852
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,119
some very strict, everyday cultural taboos that dover mentions in

853
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:43,679
his interviews oh He. He notes that in traditional Navajo culture,

854
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,599
children are taught from a very early age to be incredibly,

855
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:50,480
almost obsessively careful with their physical biological.

856
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: Byproducts like hair and nails.

857
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: You are taught to never ever leave your fingernail clippings

858
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,679
or hair trimmings lying around. They must be collected and

859
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,039
burned or buried. If you spit on the ground that

860
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,880
you are taught to immediately cover it up.

861
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: With dirt because it's a vulnerability.

862
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: Why, Because these things contain your unique genetic material, your DNA.

863
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,159
All of these deep seated cultural rules and fears revolve

864
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,920
entirely around the transmission, protection, and potential theft of your

865
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,199
personal genetic code.

866
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,599
Speaker 1: They are guarding their data.

867
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:23,519
Speaker 2: They genuinely, deeply believe that if a dark practitioner, a

868
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,599
skin walker gets a hold of your physical DNA, they

869
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:29,880
can use it to target you, to curse you, or

870
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,480
perhaps to manipulate your biology from afar.

871
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: Which is absolutely terrifying but makes total sense if you

872
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,159
view magic as just a misunderstood science of genetics. And

873
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,480
this whole conversation about ancient rituals and DNA hacking raises

874
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:46,320
a massive worldview altering question that brings literally all of

875
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,840
our threads together today. If, as the ancient astronaut theorists suggest,

876
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,960
extraterrestrials possess the advanced biological technology to harvest DNA in

877
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:58,719
order to alter their own physical forms, whether to look

878
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,880
like perfectly normal humans to calm Travis Walden down, or

879
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,920
to look like giant Avian sky gods to teach the

880
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,599
ancient Indian surgery, is it possible that they didn't just

881
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,960
teach humanity medicine. That is the question, is it possible

882
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,719
they shared a tiny fraction of this shape shifting DNA

883
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,039
manipulating knowledge with a select few early humans. Did they

884
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:23,920
teach an ancient priestoo the underlying mechanical secrets of biological transformation?

885
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: It's entirely possible.

886
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,639
Speaker 1: What if the terrifying chants, the specific frequencies in the

887
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:33,599
animal skins used by the Novelistkinwalker today are essentially ancient, degraded,

888
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,440
ritualized software programs designed by extraterrestrials to rewrite human DNA

889
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:38,880
on the fly.

890
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: It's a profound thought.

891
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: It deeply suggests that what the ancient world called magic

892
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,000
might simply be humanity's original, misunderstood word for genetic manipulation.

893
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: It is a staggering paradigm shifting thought, the idea that

894
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,840
the ancient gods taught us how to heal our biology

895
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,519
with surgery, but perhaps also taught a dangerous power hungry

896
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:03,039
few exactly how to hack it and weaponize it exactly.

897
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,880
And if you're listening and thinking this is all just

898
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,519
fascinating ancient mythology or cultural folklore that has no bearing

899
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:11,360
on the modern world, we desperately need to look at

900
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,039
the undeniable credibility of the.

901
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,679
Speaker 1: Modern reports a police reports.

902
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: Jonathan Dover isn't just a cultural storyteller passing down myths

903
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,639
around a fire. The man spent thirty one years as

904
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,119
a highly trained officer in.

905
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: Law enforcement, A trained observer.

906
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: He approaches these bizarre cases with the cold, analytical, evidence

907
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,320
based mindset of a veteran police officer, and he states

908
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:35,719
unequivocally on the record that over his long career, his

909
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,599
department investigated many, many physical, tangible incidences involving these skinwalkers.

910
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: Right, and the specifics of those official law enforcement reports

911
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,880
are what elevate this entirely from a spooky cultural myth

912
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,440
to a terrifying tangible biological anomaly.

913
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,039
Speaker 2: The details are incredible.

914
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:58,079
Speaker 1: Dover describes taking official police reports from completely rational, completely sober,

915
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,440
utterly terrified individual We're talking about people who were just

916
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:07,039
going about their lives, driving down incredibly lonely, pitch black

917
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,360
stretches of desert highway late at.

918
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,039
Speaker 2: Night, very isolated roads.

919
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: These people looked in their rear view mirrors, expecting to

920
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,880
see empty darkness, and instead, illuminated by the red glow

921
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,079
of their tay lights, they saw a figure, but not

922
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,679
an animal, a person. They saw a human figure running

923
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,840
behind their moving vehicles, and they weren't just jogging on

924
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,119
the shoulder. These human figures were actively effortlessly keeping pace

925
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,440
with cars traveling at sixty to sixty five miles an hour.

926
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 2: And that detail, right there is where the science breaks

927
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,880
down and the terror begins.

928
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,199
Speaker 1: It breaks all the rules.

929
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,159
Speaker 2: The biomechanics required for a standard human frame to achieve

930
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,840
and sustain a running speed of sixty five miles an

931
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,800
hour without literally tearing its own muscles from the bone,

932
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,800
snapping its tendons, and inducing massive fatal cardiac arrest is

933
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,239
biologically impossible. A human being cannot do that, not a

934
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,000
normal human, unless, of course, that human frame has been

935
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:05,000
genetically manipulated and enhanced at a foundational cellular level using

936
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,159
the exact rituals we just discussed.

937
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,559
Speaker 1: I cannot even fathom the sheer, suffocating terror of that moment.

938
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,360
I want you listening to really picture this. You are

939
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,159
driving alone down a dark road at night, nowhere to go.

940
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,880
The doors are lock, the heater is on. You feel

941
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,719
safe in your metal box. You are doing sixty five

942
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,719
miles an hour. You casually check your rear view mirror,

943
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,880
and there is a human being matching your speed step

944
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,880
for step, just staring at you blankly through the back window.

945
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: It violates every law of nature.

946
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,039
Speaker 1: It violates every law of nature you rely on to

947
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,000
feel safe in the world.

948
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 2: Exactly, it completely defies every established law of human physiology.

949
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:46,519
And this is why Dover's concluding warning in his research

950
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:48,760
is so incredibly poignant and necessary.

951
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Speaker 1: What does he say.

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Speaker 2: He acknowledges that, as a police officer, whether or not

953
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we are dealing with a definitive extraterrestrial presence on the

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reservations is still an open question, but he emphatically emphasizes

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that there is more than enough credible, investigated physical information

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out there to warrant serious global scientific attention.

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Speaker 1: We can't just ignore it.

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Speaker 2: He explicitly warns against the arrogance of taking these accounts

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lightly or dismissing them as mere fantasy simply because they

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originate from a different cultural perspective than Western empirical science.

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The phenomena are real, regardless of what we choose to

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call them.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so we have pulled on some truly incredible

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reality bending threads today.

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Speaker 2: We covered a lot of ground.

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Speaker 1: We started our journey in a freezing dark pine forest

967
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in Arizona, looking at the deeply deceptive psychological comfort of

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advanced non human entities actively shave shifting into perfectly human

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forms just to manage the panic of a twenty two

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year old forestry worker. The biological theater right, we looked

971
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at the terrifying elegance of the fifth column theory and

972
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the twelve million Americans who strongly suspect those shape shifted

973
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beings are quietly walking among us infiltrating our society right now.

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Speaker 2: From there, we examine the mechanical tiers in the geometric

975
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fabric of space time at Skinwalker Ranch, the portals, we

976
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analyze the rigorous observations of scientists like George Knapp's report

977
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of a literal dimensional tunnel expanding out of a ball

978
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of light, opening just long enough to allow a massive

979
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shadow entity to crawl into our physical.

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Speaker 1: Reality, pure nightmare fuel.

981
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Speaker 2: We traveled across the globe and back in time to

982
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ancient India and Egypt, exploring the highly compelling hypothesis that

983
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extraterrestrial entities utilized cultural recognizable on inspiring Avian avatars to

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pass down impossibly complex surgical knowledge to early humanity, the

985
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first surgeons, and finally we returned to the American Southwest

986
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to confront the terrifying reality of the skinwalker human beings

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allegedly utilizing ancient, perhaps extraterrestrial knowledge to actively manipulate their

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own DNA, temporarily rewriting their biology to ave impossible nightmarish

989
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physiological feats like running at highway speeds.

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Speaker 1: It has been a truly massive, mind extending journey, and

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it leads me to one final, deeply provocative thought that

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I want you listening right now to really chew on

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as you go about the rest of your day.

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Speaker 2: It's a big one.

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Speaker 1: Throughout our entire lives, we are taught to view our

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physical bodies, the solid matter around us, and the rigid

997
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timeline of our history has fixed unchangeable constants.

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Speaker 2: We think we know how reality works.

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Speaker 1: We think a wall is a wall, a human is

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a human in reality is exactly what we can see

1001
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in touch. But based on everything we have on pack today,

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what if the exact opposite is true.

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Speaker 2: What if it's all malleable?

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Speaker 1: What if the boundaries of our reality are incredibly terrifyingly fluid.

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What if the true underlying constant in the universe isn't

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solid matter at all, but rather the limitless technological ability

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to change that matter.

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Speaker 2: At will that changes everything.

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Speaker 1: If shape shifting, whether biological, genetic, or interdimensional, is a

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foundational property of universal physics and biology that we simply

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haven't evolved enough to master yet, then the world is

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infinitely more terrifying and infinitely more wondrous than we could

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ever possibly imagine.

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Speaker 2: It forces us to entirely reevaluate every anomalous encounter recorded

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in our history, and frankly, it forces us to reevaluate

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every stranger we pass on the street exactly.

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Speaker 1: So where do you stand on this, now that you

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have all the threads laid out in front of you?

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Speaker 2: What do you think we really want to know?

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Speaker 1: Do you think shape shifting is a literal, tangible, biological

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and interdimensional ability, a science of DNA manipulation and quantum

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doorways that we just don't have the vocabulary to understand yet.

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Or do you think all of these cross cultural accounts

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are just a complex shared psychological metaphor for something else.

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Speaker 2: Entirely, it's a fascinating debate.

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Speaker 1: We really want to know your thoughts. We want to

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hear how you are processing all of this wild information.

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Please leave a comment below and let us know exactly

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what you think. Join the conversation, Yes, please do. Thank

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you so much for joining us, for having an open mind,

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for following the evidence wherever it leads, and for exploring

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the threads with us on this edition of Thrilling Threads.

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We'll see you next time.