Speaker 1: In this episode, I do a one on one with
my son Jordan, who won a powerlifting competition over the weekend,
and I actually learned something along the way. I know
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Speaker 1: Well, hello and welcome.
Speaker 3: Thanks for getting your pot on.
Speaker 4: Thank you for telling a friend.
Speaker 1: That's always spread the word about the pirate ship. If
you ever want to feel old, watch your kid do
something that you couldn't possibly ever have for ever.
Speaker 4: Ado even imagine doing.
Speaker 1: Yesterday, I went out and I watched my twenty three
year old son, Jordan, in a.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say a weightlifting competition, but it's what
is it?
Speaker 1: Powerlifting competition? Powerlifting competition? See, I don't even know. And
I asked him to come in here today we're taping this.
It was kind of early on a Sunday morning, early
for a Sunday morning. I actually woke him up. He
told me what time he wanted to be here. We
got him some coffee and some breakfast. Sandwich to try
to get him fueled up, and then I hear he
comes in and he says, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Went out to the bar last night and I.
Speaker 1: Wore my metal because you won your age group for
the powerlifting competition, which I thought was super impressive and
something that you got to feel pretty good about.
Speaker 4: I do feel really good about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean it's like putting on a costume
and you go out.
Speaker 4: You're like, I mean that is is that called low
key brag? What do they call that? Quiet brag? Humble brag?
Humble brag? Humble brag?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's humble brag. I know.
Speaker 4: I think it's just an out and out brag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's pretty out in people's faces. But
I mean people wear rapper chains out to the bar
all the time. I can't wear a metal that I earned.
Speaker 4: I yuess. I don't know if you did.
Speaker 1: It was interesting, right because I had never gone to
one of those well run I thought, you know, really
moved people through did this stuff? What do you have
like one minute once you get on the platform, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You have, so once they call your name, you have
you just have sixty seconds to get yourself set and
complete the lift.
Speaker 1: And you were the slowest by the way I figured,
because you would walk out and you would look at
the bar and you'd kind of roll your shoulders or whatever,
and then the guys are like, all right, Joan, come on,
clock's chicken. And I think you were at forty five
seconds then left, and I'm Mike, and I knew you
would get it in.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very similar to what I would do with
track in terms of the timing of everything, Like when
I was when I was a thrower in college, you
had the exact same amount of time to complete your
throw as you would have lifted a powerlifting me. So
I know, you know, everyone says like, oh, just go
get it done right away. I'm like, no, I'm gonna
make sure I'm when I'm walking up there, I want
to make sure that I'm like confident and a little
bit relaxed so that i can just get under the
bar or get on the bench and just get it done.
And that takes forty five That takes a couple of seconds.
It takes a couple of seconds.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: So well, let's back up just a little bit here
and kind of walk through you.
Speaker 3: You were a thrower in high school. Yeah at McQuaid.
Speaker 1: Uh, muscles, you definitely had them, but you were a
skinny guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I think a lot of that. A
lot of where I started with both powerlifting and track
was around the exact same time. It was one of
my best friends. His name is Joseph Brunner, and he
he was the whole reason I started doing track in
the first place, and at least started throwing.
Speaker 4: Did you know Yoseph. I don't think I ever even
knew this.
Speaker 3: You don't remember the the ginger kid at all?
Speaker 4: The Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that was that was.
Speaker 3: Went to Fisher.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's Joseph. Yeah, oh I didn't.
Speaker 3: He's my He's one of the think I thought his
name was jose Well it is, but he emphasizes that pronunciation. Okay,
I don't know why, but he he got me into
throwing because he and I were teammates before I started
doing that when I just when I wasn't able to
run anymore because of the constant injuries to my foot
and just the frustration. And he was also a big
like he was really into powerlifting at that age, which
was why he was so good at track and once
he got me on the team and started getting me
in the groove of throwing, it kind of just was
one and one, yeah, and it became like a very
The lifting styles are very similar. You're doing a lot
of the same movements anyway, m hm. So it makes
sense if you're going to keep training that way, you
might as well compete that way too, Because then I
remember about was it a year ago? Two years was
two years ago?
Speaker 4: Okay, two years ago? I did one? Yeah, you were
in college still, I was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was my I was going into my senior
year year of college. It was end of the summer
right around the same time, the same place too, and
I had never done one before, right, but I wanted
to enter one, and I came in third place. At
that time. I didn't have any of the equipment I needed,
I didn't have a coach, I barely knew the commands,
and I still went out there and I.
Speaker 4: Did what I did. Yeah, you came in third, I think.
I know.
Speaker 1: By the way, you didn't even have a singlet Nope,
And so you have to wear these singlets, which, by
the way, can you get a bigger one, like slightly bigger?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably I've thought this is.
Speaker 1: That thing, like practically it's like C three, you might
as well just walk out there naked and do the thing.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't want it like sagging down
my legs as I'm trying to squad.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: But so, okay, so you and and that one you
came in third. Now you're a little more aware. This
is only the second competition you've done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I had that year
off where I was where I was living in Saint
Louis and doing track over there up until the injury,
and then I decided when I came back and had
my pseudo medical retirement from track, I was like, I
want to get back into this, and I just I
went online and I saw that Chris Harris was hosting
it again at the same venue, same entry fee, same everything.
I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna pay the fee,
I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 4: So and these are sanctioned events.
Speaker 3: They are. So there's two different federations out there, at
least that I know of, for powerlifting. There's the USAPL,
which is the United States. I think it's like the
United States of America Powerlifting League, and then there's the USPA,
which is the United States Powerlifting Association. They have slightly
different rules and slightly different things that you're allowed to
do in terms of like equipment. I don't really know
all the nitty gritty of it, but I know that
I got a membership for both so that I could
you have a membership for both? I did, Yeah, so
it could experiment and see, you know, I want to
try both.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when is? Do you know when the next one is?
Speaker 3: I can go online and see when there are other ones.
I know. I know Joseph and I are planning on
doing one in Utica in December, okay, which is in
the other federation, the USPAK, And that would be my
first time competing with those.
Speaker 4: Rules in Utica.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look at this the armpit in New York. When you're
walking up to the platform and you're going for your
heaviest lift, this is going to be the one the heaviest.
And I watched guys try to hit away. Like one
guy just walked up. I think he looked at the
bar and knew he couldn't do it and walked away.
They just walked away, and I was like, I get it. Man,
I totally get it. I couldn't do this, but what
is going through your head? And how do you manage
the pressure in that exact moment, because that's like a
pressure fel Field thing. And there's an audience, so to speak,
and judges who are they're watching your form and right,
and you gotta get you got to get at least
two white lights, yeah, to move on out of the
three judges.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's.
Speaker 3: The judges are there just to make sure that you're
doing everything correctly in order for your lift account. And
then there's a guy giving commands, which by the way,
they need to start giving that guy a microphone or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's hard to hear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you got speakers blasting, you've got the
end music pumping DJ there yeah yeah, and you have
the the MC of the event just trying to hype
up the crowd. You know, credit to them. But at
the same time, it's like it's kind of like golfing away,
you know, like once you're actually doing it, you kind
of need to be quiet so you can actually hear everything. Yeah,
but it's never like that, so uh, they do.
Speaker 4: Make it a bit of a carnival.
Speaker 3: Don't they They do, but I mean, you gotta you
gotta make it entertaining. People pay to get in there.
Speaker 4: So, but it was.
Speaker 3: The white lights thing. It's just to make sure you
know you're doing everything right. So you have to make
sure you're hearing the commands properly. You can't put the
bar back on the rack for squats until you hear
them say to do it. You can't press the bar
off your chest on bench press until you hear them
say it. If you do it too early, that's.
Speaker 4: A light gone. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then if you obviously, if you fail to lift,
that's three reds. Doesn't count.
Speaker 4: If you how many attempts do you get on each,
so you.
Speaker 3: Have you have a total of three attempts at any weight,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: So I only saw you do like two.
Speaker 3: Well, so when you go, when you first get there
and you do you you walk in, you give them
your name, your ID, your membership card, You go through
all that, and then you go to actually weigh in
to make sure that you're uh at within the threshold
for whatever weight class you're in. After that you give
whoever took your weight is also going to take your openers,
So you actually have to have a number in your
head of how much you want to start with h
and it has to be in metric.
Speaker 4: Which I hate, but right right.
Speaker 3: So once you do that, at that point you decide
from there how much heavier you want to go. That's
why if you saw me co back up to the
table where they had that little chart, that's what I
was doing. I was trying to figure out what I
was going to do next, so they could tell the
people who are loading the bar, hey, he's going to
do her.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Those guys are like they're like a GASCAR pit crew.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I was gonna say. They got Jackson everything. Man,
they're jacking that stuff.
Speaker 1: Up quick, boom boom boom the weight tron and then
in comes to the next person.
Speaker 4: Through all of this stuff, what did you learn?
Speaker 1: I guess about yourself, and I know I would say
leaning up to the competition, but through this weightlifting journey,
maybe something that surprised you the most that you that
you learned about yourself.
Speaker 4: Was there anything?
Speaker 3: Honestly, the one thing I really learned was just that
I can do it. I mean, it takes a lot
of it takes a lot of effort. But it's not
as I don't want to say, it's not as hard
as everyone makes it out to be, because in my
head it isn't. You just have to keep doing it
every single day. I mean, it's like it's very similar
to any form of training for athletics. Like look at
you talk to like Joe Burrow or Josh Allen about
like what it takes to be a quarterback in the NFL,
and one of the first words that, like one of
the first things they'll say is you got to show
up every day. You got to do everything every day
even if you don't.
Speaker 4: Want to, right. Consistency.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's something you told me about all the
time when I was a kid with sports and stuff,
that if I wanted to do it, I had to
do it every day, even on the days I didn't
want to. And you know, it's it's the same idea
with powerlifting. You just you got to show up for
training the same way, with the same attitude every single time,
even on your worst day.
Speaker 1: Most you know, you know, we see the glory of
the win, right and we see and even with the
guys you're talking about, we don't see what's happening behind
the scenes necessarily, what their preparation is, what their private
training is, what they're doing on their own time with
the team time, all that stuff, and the same thing
for you. But what's part of your training or preparation
that would maybe shock or even gross people out if
they knew.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think the most shocking part this isn't really
going to like gross people out, I guess, but I mean,
it's just maintaining the mobility on top of maintaining the strength.
Like obviously you have to lift heavy in order to
lift heavy, but you also have to make sure that
you don't tear something while you're training, right, and that
comes down to a lot of rehab, a lot of
like almost yoga type stretching. I'm still doing a lot
of the same rehab exercises I'm doing from my shoulder
surgery even now on both sides, and I'm applying a
lot of the active recovery stuff I learned about in
the NCAA with my training for powerlifting, just to make
sure I don't get hurt again. It's not fun, and
you got to make sure that you stay healthy in
order to keep competing.
Speaker 4: How did you feel after yesterday? I was.
Speaker 3: I was kind of shocked. Yeah, I didn't think I
was gonna do all that. I wasn't going in there
planning to win. I was going in there to see
how close can I get to how strong I want
to be? You know, this was kind of like a
benchmark for how strong I was pre impost surgery, and
right now I would say I'm about where I was,
if not stronger.
Speaker 1: So what were you yesterday? The first thing up was
the squat? Yep, how much were you squatting? Because I
don't know.
Speaker 3: I opened with a one hundred and ninety kilogram squat,
which is about four hundred and twenty pounds give or take, okay,
and my plan with that was to just jump up
by tens.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Obviously that didn't happen, but it's all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you got the first squad.
Speaker 3: So I didn't get the first one, they but they
give you a say. I messed up on that one.
Speaker 4: That was my fault.
Speaker 3: The second one I got, I did the same weight
because I was like, I know I can get this.
I just did it. I just didn't. I wasn't patient enough.
And then the third one I went up. I got it,
but they didn't count it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised they didn't count it, but I
couldn't tell. Yeah, and so that was four hundred and
thirty pounds. The second the second one something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know off the top of my head, but
I will say even if I it's it was a
local meet, even if I was to try and like
contest it, they're not going to overturn it. Yeah, it's
not like it's a national qualifying heed or like someone's
going for a state record or something. What about bench
press bench Yeah, this is like three oh eight. Yeah,
that was my I opened with like two eighty six
and jumped to three oh eight and then I went
for three thirty and I didn't get it.
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's all right, three hundred and thirty pounds
on bench press.
Speaker 3: I think I hit two hundred once and I was
very out of myself and.
Speaker 1: That was probably your age.
Speaker 4: I think I was younger than you at that time.
Speaker 3: You could do it again. I mean, I saw a
guy out there who he was like.
Speaker 1: I didn't even see him compete though, what was it?
I never saw him up on that place.
Speaker 3: I saw him there. I don't know if he actually
competed or not, or if he was just there in solidarity,
but there was there was an older and older man there. Yeah,
and he looked like he was ready to do it.
Speaker 1: And then the deadlift was the one that sort of
set you over.
Speaker 4: Did you lift more than anybody in the room? No?
Who was what was one guy lifting?
Speaker 3: I know that the guy who was in the hundred
kila weight class that went immediately after me, I think
he pulled heavier than I did. And I know the
guy who who was in the other age group but
same weight class, pulled heavier than I did.
Speaker 4: What were you pulling?
Speaker 3: I ended with five hundred and fifty seven, like around
about five sixty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those guys were deadlifting more than that?
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean well, I mean they're you know, they're bigger,
they're sixpier, like they're probably well into the sixes.
Speaker 4: Maybe really good. God, that's uh, that's crazy. Uh.
Speaker 1: If your future kids or grandkids asked you about this,
you still wear that metal around, grandpa?
Speaker 4: Why are you walking around with the metals? So on?
Why does this wind matter?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: What story would you tell them about the moment?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I would just tell them, you know, don't go
into things like this expecting to win, but if you do,
you know, enjoy it. I Mean, like I said, this
was just the thing for me to do to see
how much I had really progressed since getting hurt, and
I wanted to see, like how can I bounce back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. I think that there's a great discipline
to this. I think it's it's a it's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 4: Probably a great stress reliever.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, because powerlifting is about lifting weight, right,
I mean that that's what that's about.
Speaker 4: But but what wait?
Speaker 1: Outside the gym, do you think this sport has helped
you kind of move forward in life carry better in
your life?
Speaker 3: I would say so yeah. I mean I'm a huge
advocate for people to go work out for more than
just the physical health benefits, but also the mental health benefits.
You got to think about true. I mean people talk
about a runners high all the time. Yeah, yeah, that's cool,
But do you know how good it feels to squat
four hundred pounds and not die? It's awesome? Why doesn't
everyone do that? But in all seriousness, I think, you know,
having something to do consistently that you can get really
good at that. It's everyone talks about having like a
win in the morning, or like a win to start
your day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, some people say, oh, I make my bed
every single day so that I can have a win
for that day.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Cool, Do you do that? Do you make your
bed every day?
Speaker 3: I doubt it, No, I doubt But what I say
when I'm saying that.
Speaker 4: What I mean, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: I know, like when you go to this something you accomplished,
there's a satisfaction to that. That That's why a lot
of times I don't know that I was always great
at it, but I would say things like you know,
on radio, I didn't know.
Speaker 4: How I did. At the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I could walk out of there going, oh, great show today.
It could have been a steaming pile of shit, and
I wouldn't know because the ratings didn't come out for
three months. There was nothing tangible. But if I hung
a door, like when we replaced the door in your bedroom,
like that kind of thing was a tangible thing, and
there was satisfaction to doing that, especially when it was
an older house and I had settled and the door
was all fucked up and I had a plan it
was great, like it was. Those were satisfying things, and
I think that we need to do more satisfying things.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of talk, you'll hear.
Speaker 1: God, I feel like so many people just talking in
circles or platitudes. Often, Like I saw something about like
churches coming together and we're gonna tear down walls.
Speaker 4: And we're it's every it's every.
Speaker 1: Fucking you know, platitude and we're gonna tear down these
walls and we're gonna bring the creat.
Speaker 4: But it's not. It's not you're you're speaking in hypotheticals.
You're not.
Speaker 1: There's no tangible plan there to actually do it. And
I think the only way to fix everything is to
fix the individual first. And you fix the individual by
building self esteem. And you build self esteem by being
by accomplishing things and feeling good and it's not bullshit
stuff or blown sunshine up your ass and telling you
you're great now.
Speaker 4: I hear people.
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I don't have a problem with a participation trophy as
long as we're still giving somebody MVP most Improved on
top of the participation trophy to show you that, Hey,
thanks for showing up every day.
Speaker 3: That was great. Here's a participation trophy.
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Speaker 3: I get it. I will say I do slightly disagree
with the participation trophy thing, because that's what a team
parties for. If you're going to celebrate the end of it.
Like if you're looking.
Speaker 1: At like, well, i'm talking about little kids. I'm not
talking about like track and stuff like that. When you're
in college. I'm talking about that too, if you're talking like.
Speaker 3: T ball or Little League. I don't think it sends
the right message to give everybody an award for showing up.
I think that's what an end of year celebrations. Yeah,
you should just do Remember we.
Speaker 4: Hadbe remember the Little League party. We had everybody's jumping
in the pool.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's his name's dad had everybody jumping as
far as they could or something.
Speaker 4: I forget that I forgot.
Speaker 3: But I think with that, you know, well's that's what
a celebration with the team is for. You don't need
to have everyone get a trophy because then it's like, oh, cool,
we all did this, so we all get an award. No,
like you all did it. It's the ones who work
the hard. It's the ones who do the best to
get who should get like MVP. The ones who win
should get the first, second, third places. If you're gonna
give somebody an award for showing up like that's I
think that's something you can do to just celebrate as
a team. You know, you guys worked together to show
up every day. That's something on the individual that shouldn't be. Hey,
thanks for showing up. Here's a trophy.
Speaker 1: Now I understand kind of what you're saying. I will
say I have a different thought on that. And it'll
be interesting when you have kids and stuff and I
don't know where things will go. But I don't mind
when it's seven year olds or six year old soccer,
and every kid gets a trophy and they can have
a little bit of pride in that if we also say,
but you know what, Tyler was amazing this year. Tyler
scored the most goals on the team. Tyler was really
our most valuable player. Tyler, you also get this and
the only and maybe they're too young there to even
get it. But at some point, and I agree with you,
like after twelve years old, let's let's at least there's.
Speaker 4: Got to be cut off tour like ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, most of these these leagues go to twelve.
I'm thinking like fourth grade.
Speaker 1: But I don't mind that, like I would say Little League.
Like I remember Little League. There was MVP and Most
Improved Player and stuff, and I remember and there was
no other trophy, right, but it gave you something to
strive for. I can even remember. Here's one. And this
is where I don't know if these things are genetic
or not, but when I was in sixth grade, they
started handing out the Academic Achievement Ward and the Good
Citizen Award, Okay, And I remember going home and telling
Grandpa Bill, and he said to me, you get the
good Citizen Award for blowing your nose and making the
tissue fall in the garbage. You know that kind of
sh he goes the Academic Award. So they gave one
out and a girl got it. And this is terrible,
but this is my head would work. I go, how
did she get it? She's dumb, like come on, So
I go, there's no way. And so I next week. Man,
I was determined and I got it, and then I
took my foot off the guests because I proved to
myself that I could do it and I didn't need
to do it again. Other people were winning the Academic
Achievement Award like every week, right, piling them up. I
didn't give a shit, But that to me is a
bad way to be when I look back at it.
Speaker 3: But I could always go, I can do this.
Speaker 4: I know I can do it. I'm going to prove it.
Speaker 3: And then once I proved it, it was like, Okay, I'm done.
What's next.
Speaker 1: I'm bored. I don't need to do the Academic Achievement Ward.
I've already done it. Well I did for one week,
you know what I'm saying. And that's where the consistency
stuff in everything is so important.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think to relate it back to
powerlifting and all that, I get exactly where you're coming
from with the academic achievement award story, and it's very
similar to think. The difference is like if you want
to apply that to powerlifting, like, yeah, cool, I want
in this way class on this day, in this age
bracket would these numbers? Well if I did that, what
if I did it again? Yeah, but with better numbers.
It's it's it's a maturity thing.
Speaker 1: I think at that point you're a little more mature
and a little more aware.
Speaker 3: But I like Chase. I love that you're chasing another
goal because yes, it's the same award, it's a similer thing,
but you're doing it better than last time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think one of the big things for anybody if
you were to apply this stuff to life. Right, you
were this skinny guy in high school who looked up
to these people. You are not that skinny guy anymore.
But it was through consistent work that got you there.
And I will always say to people it you. You
can't get from Rochester to Buffalo without taking the trip,
without taking the journey. Now, there's many ways to get
from Buffalo. The easiest way is ninety, but you can
do back roads, you can do different ways. You can
veer off here, right, all kinds of ways. Which way
is going to be the easiest? And the like I
always say when we think of.
Speaker 4: Like grinding and grind it out and blah blah blah,
and it.
Speaker 1: Kind of makes it ugly, right, And I live that
way a lot, and I think you don't have to
do that. I think you can have a different mentality
and still get there and be happy.
Speaker 4: And I will say the best way.
Speaker 1: In my mind to do that is if I put
in my GPS how to get to Buffalo. Do I
worry about not getting to Buffalo? No, I just think
about the next turn I have to make. That's what
I think about, And I go, this should be the
same thing in life. I want to get here. I
trust I'm going to get there. What's my next turn?
What's my next turn? And then you know what I'm saying,
with the destination in mind, but knowing that it doesn't
have to be this grind, I'll lighten it up here
a little bit, because I always these conversations, all these
conversations turn it back into the lectures you used to
get in the car from McQuaid.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised, but.
Speaker 4: You're fine.
Speaker 3: I do want to say I think I think I
didn't really address a point you brought up earlier about
what's what goes through my head?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what goes through your head when you're walking up there,
because it's like there's music, nothing.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's the same approach I had with track.
It's the same approach I have with the lifting. It's
the same approach I have with everything. Is when I'm
right like I've got my heart's racing, my head's pounding,
I'm hearing all this music, I'm hearing people yelling, and
all I want. All I can do in that moment
is just breathe and tune everything out and then it's
just me and the weight, and that's it. That's all
you gotta do. Once you're there, it's a weight you've
either done before, you've never done before, or you're just
literally under there and you're like, I'm either going to
look like a little bit and not get this and
possibly get hurt, or I'm gonna get this and it's
gonna be awesome. And all you do, that's all I do.
I just breathe, clear my head and just get under it,
and I'm done.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: Like, you can't have any thoughts going through your head
because if you're thinking about it the entire time you're
trying to do it, you're gonna fuck.
Speaker 1: It up, right, almost you're putting some resistance in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 3: I mean again, you can ask a lot of I mean,
it really just comes down to what you're doing. But
a lot I feel like a lot of people would
agree when it comes to something like that. You can't
think you need to turn your brain off and you
just need to you just need to be automatic. You
already know what you have to do. Pretty much.
Speaker 4: It very zen, Yeah, right in a way, right, something
that I've always.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if it's that zen when
you're like, when you've probably had three to four hundred
milligrams of caffeine and are ripping smelling salts behind the stage.
Speaker 4: Why do you do all that stuff?
Speaker 3: Well, caffeine is a legal performance enhancer. Everyone will tell
you that. Yeah, so you know it helps perform. There's
obviously tons of studies out there that show that it
does boost performance. Right, But the smelling salts. Thing is
more of just a thing that some people say is
some people say it's bullshit. I disagree. I've seen it
wake up people who are blackout drunk. You've seen those
videos where like they'll break the little ampulse under somebody's nose.
They're passed out, and then they immediately come back. I
use that because it just helps me breathe in a
lot more, and it just helps me dial in so
that way, when I go out there, I'm not thinking,
like I can just shut my brain off and me
and the way.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: I always found that in uh racing, where like if
you're on a drag strip and you, you know, doing
a quarter.
Speaker 3: Mile and I mean, do you think that guy's thinking
about you? Guys thinking about it with the car, I'm
saying in me and of the track, let's go.
Speaker 4: That's it. I've done it. When I when I when
I've done it. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: You hit a certain speed and you're not thinking, I mean,
I may I guess you are because you're trying to
keep it on the track.
Speaker 4: You know, it's very easy to blow out and go off.
Speaker 1: But there's something that is so adrenaline pumping that, like
I it takes It would take me the rest of
the day if I did it in the morning to
actually bring my adrenaline down. I'm so jacked. And I
think the same thing with like ball players and stuff,
like football players. I remember Marcellus Wiley telling me he
used to go up to Canada to the casinos after
a one o'clock game because you were so hyped up.
And I don't know if that's a thing.
Speaker 4: What do you do?
Speaker 1: You have a hype song or anything, a song that
hypes you up before you go out there, or you
don't listen to music.
Speaker 3: No, I do. I listened to a bunch of different songs.
It's anything from like early two thousands of rock to
like metal to metal. Yeah really yeah? Like who a
lot of Lincoln Park?
Speaker 4: Oh okay are they metal?
Speaker 3: Kind of yeah?
Speaker 4: I guess they're a little heavier.
Speaker 1: What's the weirdest thing you've ever eaten right before or
after training?
Speaker 4: Do you ever have anything weird? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one thing that I've I guess, like
I add dextros to my protein shakes that I have
after training because I need to have like a carb
to help, you know, to help with carrying over the
protein from the shake. So a simple sugar to make
it easier for it to pass through. Yeah, so it's
literally just like a scoop of corn sugar my shake. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, Like dietary wise, because I was looking I
actually looked up while because there was some downtime yesterday
doing that meat, and I looked up the anti inflammatory diet.
I was reading that stuff, and I mean, how much
how important is diet for you overall?
Speaker 3: Very Yeah, I mean it's even outside of this just
to stay healthy, you know, like with all my food
allergies and stuff on top of everything else, diet is
extremely important.
Speaker 4: You had a lot of food allergies. Jordan was like
when he was born, he.
Speaker 1: Was a losing weight, projectile vomiting back in the hospital.
We had to get hyperallergenic formula from Britain.
Speaker 3: I was based that. I was pretty much bubble boy,
Yeah kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean I would say it's it's a little dramatic,
but yeah, I guess you could say that if you
could do only one lift, what is your favorite deadlift?
Speaker 4: The deadlift is your favorite? Why?
Speaker 3: It's the one I'm the best at. It's the one
I've been doing the longest and it's the one. It's
my strongest lift. I think it's the coolest out of
the three too.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Okay, what hurts more? Leg day or heartbreak?
Speaker 4: Nothing? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I haven't really had I haven't really
had much heartbreak. Okay, alright, so I have to say
leg day for now.
Speaker 1: But do you ever want to armor? If you could
arm wrestle like a celebrity, would you want to take
on the rock or somebody?
Speaker 4: See who you could beat?
Speaker 3: Jesus, that could be fun. I would probably not win
when I'd do.
Speaker 1: It, you would, Yeah. So growing up I was on
the radio for all your life pretty much, and people
would recognize it. How did I don't know, How did
it feel when people would say things? And did you
ever feel differently of me because of that?
Speaker 4: I don't know, No, really, people would recognize.
Speaker 3: I mean it was always weird because I'd be like,
who are you? And then I'd realize very quickly, oh,
you don't actually know us. You just know what my
dad talks about. And at that point it was more
of just a you gotta be careful about how you
carry yourself type deal, because anyone could call in and
say anything and be like, hey, Bill, your kid's an asshole,
like and just say some story about me being a dick,
and I would have no idea who this person is,
So you know, that was something I had to really
keep in the back of my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I I that's true. I think there was
even maybe even talked about a little bit.
Speaker 4: It was right, It was by.
Speaker 3: It was drilled into my head by you and especially
by mom.
Speaker 4: Mmmm.
Speaker 3: Like I mean Mom and I we'd be at Wegman's
grocery shopping when I was like seven eight years old,
and we would get stopped seven times before we even
made it out of the parking lot because people would recognize.
Speaker 4: Her because of you.
Speaker 3: And you know that's just like I got used to it.
It was kind of a normal thing. Yeah, but it
was also like I knew it was weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also just didn't care. I was just like, Okay,
this is a part of what's It's just a part
of the life.
Speaker 4: I guess. Yeah, what's one memory of us from childhood.
Speaker 1: That that still shapes how you see maybe me or
the family.
Speaker 4: Is there anything that any kind of.
Speaker 3: I mean, and when when we say childhood how how
far back are we going?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. You tell me what whatever.
Speaker 3: Sticks in your head, I don't have any I mean
seeing you at all my my track meets in high school. Yeah,
that stuck with me. Yeah, that's still kind of you know,
hearing you talk about I mean, just to talk about
staying consistent with sports, like constantly checking up and seeing
like what I was thinking about and how practice would go,
and some of the conversations we'd have on ride's home
after practice that really shaped me.
Speaker 1: Do you think so I did? I always thought sometimes
I was. I was like going if that were me,
I would you turn into Charlie Brown's dad, is Well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean at that age, I didn't really have the same
appreciation for it that I do now. Sure of course,
you know, thinking back on it, like I still a
lot of that stuff I still try and carry with me.
So I'd say, even some of the stuff you did
with me in sports when I was a little little kid,
like just telling me that you got it was the
same message no matter how old I was. You know,
if you want to be the best at something, you
got to keep doing it and be willing to work
harder than anybody else, because there's going to be somebody
out there who's going to show up and you don't.
Speaker 4: It was so funny. I thought of that yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'm watching this and I go, boy, somewhere there's And
I didn't mean it for you. I just meant for anybody.
Maybe even in that room, there's somebody stronger or better,
or working harder at this.
Speaker 4: And when we say work harder, like.
Speaker 1: It's it's grind, it's it's just someone who's more consistent,
maybe has a better training program, maybe is more discipline,
maybe doesn't go out to the bar and where they're
metal the night after me. You know, you understand I'm saying,
and I don't meet it. I know I'm picking on
you a little bit as a joke, but those were
the things that I think are.
Speaker 4: The edges.
Speaker 1: And I think if you're gonna be great at something,
you're it's gonna be boring. I think you're gonna have
a kind of a boring life. You got to get
to bed at a certain time, you got to do
I mean, even guys in radio, you know, like I
always laugh because now you know you saw this stuff
with Howard Stern, Right, Howard stern. People were saying they
don't want to taking him back his empires, crawling and
blah blah blah. It's not that's not the way it was.
But when Howard was in radio, everybody saw him as
this rock and roll rebel.
Speaker 4: He was one of the most disciplined people. He was
in bed by eight o'clock at night every night.
Speaker 3: And got up and got his eight hours of sleep.
Speaker 4: And did his whole thing.
Speaker 1: So to me, it was like that was the edge
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Speaker 4: I never did that. I couldn't get to bed by
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Speaker 3: FERRIS i, MEAN i do agree that you need to
be disciplined in a lot of, areas BUT i also feel,
like at the same, time you gotta be able to
have balance.
Speaker 1: You, yes, NO i need to be absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3: And to your, Point like there was a guy at
that meet yesterday who works out at we work out
at the same. Gym we both go To legends twenty
four to seven In, webster and that dude is LIKE
i look at him And i'm, like holy, shit how
like what are you? Doing Then i'm. Not, Yeah and
he AND i had. Conversations he was the guy who.
Won he was. Out if he AND i were in
the same age, GROUP i would not have won yesterday
because he's he's just, bigger he's. STRONGER i don't know
what he's, doing.
Speaker 4: But, well he. WOULDN'T i don't think he'd ever be
in your weight, class would.
Speaker 3: He i'm pretty SURE i thought he was In, OH
i don't.
Speaker 4: KNOW i don't. KNOW i thought he was in ninety one.
Speaker 3: Hundred but. No the only reason he wasn't in my
we weren't in the same bracket was because he's in
the twenty four plus And i'm at the tail end
of twenty to twenty.
Speaker 4: Three. Gotcha but you, know LIKE i, THINK.
Speaker 3: I think about people LIKE i, think you can still
go out and do a lot of crazy, shit but
you still gotta be, Willing, like if you're gonna go
out and do all that crazy, shit you gotta be
willing to come back then next day and still show.
Up like If i'm if you go out on if
you go out for like two three days in a
row and you're just like, drinking, partying doing, whatever and
that's all, cool but the next morning you gotta go
and get a workout. In you just you just have,
to or you can take those days to. Rest but
then come let's say you go out Day Saturday. Sunday
The sunday is like your last minute recovery. Day Come,
monday you got to be back in the gym working.
Speaker 4: Out.
Speaker 3: Me i'm kind of. CRAZY i would go and like
on the days in, Between like SAY i go Out
friday night and Then i'm planning on going out Again,
SATURDAY i would go work out.
Speaker 4: In between in.
Speaker 3: Between, yeah right.
Speaker 4: Away.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was the same thing in. College it's the
same thing. Now, LIKE i don't care how long OVER i,
am how DEPLETED i. Am it honestly makes me feel
a lot, better both with the accomplishment mentality of LIKE
i still did, this but also just the physical feeling
of like actually being able to sweat out all the
shit from the night. Before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure make it a big. Feel, YEAH i get.
It that feels pretty.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh if you could go back AND i know
there were like family dynamic changes and things when you were.
Speaker 4: Younger if you could.
Speaker 1: Go back, and, uh give advice to your fifteen year old,
self what's one piece of advice that you would, say
talking to out family changes or life in. General what
would you say by?
Speaker 3: Bitcoin, really that'd be.
Speaker 4: One, Yeah, OKAY.
Speaker 3: I, mean you, know make some make some. Money.
Speaker 4: YEAH i would.
Speaker 1: Think like Apple stock or something might be a little,
Better BUT i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i would, say IF i were to go back
and tell my fifteen year old self, anything it would
BE i would, say start getting more serious about working
out at a younger, age LIKE i was doing it
at that, age, sure BUT i wasn't as disciplined AS
i was WHEN i got. OLDER i would, say start
being more consistent and work toward it, now because then
who knows what will? Change?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah starting? NOW i don't Want, yeah like you
never want to miss out on. Things you hear about
people who have train their whole, lives you, know Like
Tiger woods Being Tiger, Woods, right it was golf twenty
four to seven for that, Guy and then we find
out this story Of tiger you, know having this almost
sexual addiction where he's just you, know AND i don't
know if that's part of the boring life for so.
LONG i remember reading an article In Rolling stone magazine
ABOUT u two concert and the reporter Rights Tiger woods
got backstage and asked to see the set lists so
he could at know what songs were being because he
wasn't familiar with them and he's a, celebrity and so
they bring him, back and you, KNOW i don't Even
i'm not sure If Tiger woods wanted to go or
someone Like tiger was with wanted to.
Speaker 4: Go either, way my point.
Speaker 1: Is like it was so much, golf there was, nothing
there was room for nothing else to be that, great,
Right and then on that there is this side OF
i just want to let. LOOSE i just want to
fucking let.
Speaker 3: Loose, WELL i mean it's, like look at all those
look at all the, sheltered like the hyper sheltered kids
who go off to. College, yeah those are the kids
who They, yeah sure they were like super, disciplined four
point oh perfect scholar in high. School as soon as
they're out under their from under their parents' thumb And Arizona,
state they're they're lost.
Speaker 4: State just an.
Speaker 3: Example they're they're, like, no he Was arizona Was. Arizona, no,
sorry but they're like those are the kids who like
they're super disciplined because they had that. Structure once that
structure is, gone they can't carry the discipline with them
because all they want to do is let loose because
they never got to do. It those are the kids
who go from the four point oh to the one
point fives and two point, ohs partying every single day
of the, week using any bar special day as an
Excuse Marguerita monday to send It, sunday whatever you want
to call, It like those.
Speaker 4: Are send It.
Speaker 3: Sunday i'm not even. FAMILIAR i just made that one.
Up but you, know then you look at guys like
you know who had that balance of, like, oh this
is why they were able to do all this stuff
their entire lives and still be really. GOOD i, mean
look at Like John daly And Baker, mayfield like those,
were And Matt stafford even those were people who were
like still, grinding still at the top of their, game
still doing, amazing but doing the almost like the opposite
of what everyone everyone would hear about the, parties like the,
drinking the crazy. Antics but it's because they weren't so
rigid with themselves to where they would lose control and burn.
Out they're able to keep everything, tight keep themselves, disciplined
and still go out and have. Fun that's the kind
of thing THAT i like to. Do is, LIKE i
don't want to be the type of person who can't
have a life outside of What i'm. DOING i, mean
this is or, like this is just for. Fun i'm
not doing this to.
Speaker 1: A hobby at this, Point is there anywhere you could?
Go could you become An olympic? Powerlifter it would take some,
time but. PROBABLY i mean it's a different it's a
slightly different. Discipline there's different lifts to, learn there's different.
Technique you're competing against a lot of other, people so
there is a path, there one hundred. Percent there's more
competitive powerlifting like state, level national level THAT i can
continue to do as. Well but, really for, me this
is just kind of a fun. THING i, mean, yeah
it's cool to win a medal and all, that but,
like it's not Something i'm gonna. DO i was getting
nervous because you you were confident you had done the,
math and you GO i. Won i'm, like, well don't
jump the gun here and then they coming in second
and they name the guy and you start moving through the,
crowd AND i don't know if you heard, ME i,
go why don't you just stay?
Speaker 4: Here BECAUSE i was, like.
Speaker 1: What you, know like, Walking you're walking up and they
go and number one Is Bobby smith and you're, like,
oh all, right so that's All i'm pictured in my head.
Happening but it didn't. Happen it was it was, you
and that's. It we'll end it on this. One AND
i really appreciate you getting up and coming in. Here
but now that you're an, adult you're twenty three years,
old what's something about me as a dad that you
made understand, better possibly even appreciate MORE i don't know
than you did back back. Then and maybe you already
touched on it a little.
Speaker 4: Bit i'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure, god this, long you gotta wait this long to
come up with.
Speaker 4: Something was that?
Speaker 1: Bad?
Speaker 3: No, no it wasn't that. Bad it's JUST i don't.
KNOW i don't, REALLY i didn't, REALLY I i wasn't
prepared for that.
Speaker 1: Question, WELL i think you, said you, know the things
that we would talk, about and how SO i feel
like there's a little.
Speaker 4: REDUNDANT i think it would.
Speaker 3: Just go back to the same thing of the consistency
that you told me about WHEN i was a, kid
AND i definitely appreciate it now BECAUSE i try and
carry that with me in other aspects of my. LIFE
i try and just be as consistent AS i can with,
work with, friends with, relationships with. Everything you, know like,
yes putting my best foot forward and showing up even
on the DAYS i don't want.
Speaker 1: TO i think that's A i think it's a great
lesson for, everybody AND i think if you can do it,
though with the attitude of, HEY i get to lift,
TODAY i get to lift, TODAY i get to go
to the gym, today instead OF i have to go
to the.
Speaker 4: GYM i have To there's something just.
Speaker 3: Different do they have to get To BECAUSE i understand that,
MENTALITY i take it more of A i need to,
yeah because for, me, yeah it's something fun and yet
it's SOMETHING i enjoy and it's SOMETHING i get to
do that a lot of people. Don't you, KNOW i
can take that appreciation from, it but for, ME i
need to do it IF i it makes my day.
Better IF i don't do, it UNLESS i have a
really good excuse for Why i'm not doing. IT i
feel Like i'm wasting time or missing out on potentially
doing better THAN i would, be you, know like it's
a need for. ME i need to be in the
gym working out at least five days a, Week LIKE
i need to be, there and If i'm, NOT i feel.
Worse you, KNOW i feel Like i'm falling behind with
myself and WHERE i want to. Be AND i know
that doesn't sound good and it doesn't sound, healthy BUT
i mean it in the best possible, way because imagine
you just decide one, Day, OH i don't feel like
going to work, Today i'm not going to. Go, well
now you're losing, Money now you're falling. Behind you could
be you, know if you like your job and want
to keep doing, it then you could be falling behind
and wanting to get a. Promotion you, know like you
have a goal and you want to be the best
version of. Yourself then you need to treat the things
that you don't like doing Those OH i have to
not AS i get. TO'S i, MEAN i, again that's
a great, mentality but for, me it's a more of a.
NO i need to because IF i want something. Great
IF i want to do something, great IF i want
to be something, great if there's SOMETHING i want at
the end of all of, it THEN i need to
do the SHIT i don't want to, do even IF
i just absolutely can't do, it if i'm IF i feel,
like UNLESS i am actively sick or, INJURED i need
to do. It and that's the same thing with, school
the same thing with. WORK i need to. GO i
need to do it because IF i, Don't i'm not
gonna get WHAT i.
Speaker 4: Want, yeah, well it's.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i always think like sometimes if you can go
with a lighter. Attitude by ATTITUDE i, mean AND i
don't mean to take it more. Casually What i'm saying
is not going with the such. Resistance SO i have
to do. THIS i don't want to do. This dread,
THIS i you, KNOW i dread.
Speaker 3: Waking up on A monday morning that boss, again blah blah.
Speaker 1: Blah and if you can just, go, hey, MAN i
get TO i get to go make money, TODAY i
get to see some PEOPLE i. LIKE i get to you,
know maybe uh needle my. BOSS i can make a
joke or. SOMETHING i just think that like that softens,
it because.
Speaker 3: You're, right you need, to you NEED I i one
hundred percent get. THAT i think that's a really good
mentality because if you just keep associating it negatively with
THE i have, to you, KNOW i don't want. TO
i dread. It you're going to hate everything you're doing
and you're going to put Yourself you're going to make
yourself more. Depressed if you start having that appreciation for,
things it will make you feel. Better BUT i think you.
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yourself to a higher. Standard and there there's the thing
that something holy, shit you want to talk, about something
you've drilled in my head holding yourself to a higher.
STANDARD i probably heard that every single day for definitely
for three years straight in high. School, yeah and probably
a lot before then. Too of you need to hold
yourself to a higher standard because you are better than
whatever whatever you think you. Are you are better than
what people may make you out to. Be other people
can have whatever they want about, you but if you
hold yourself to a higher, standard everyone will see you
at that higher. Standard they won't see the work that
goes into, it but they'll see the.
Speaker 1: Result, yeah that's. INTERESTING i need to revisit that. MYSELF
i need to hold myself to a higher. Standard, yeah
that's That's that's a good one to end it. ON
i do appreciate you coming.
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