WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:06.960 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.320 With Cliff and Bobo. 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:13.160 rade it. 5 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:20.760 I'm star and met. 6 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:20.600 On yesterday and listening. 7 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:24.879 Oh Watchee limb always keep its watching. 8 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay. 9 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:33.079 Greetings, Bobo. How are you doing? My friend? 10 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:34.640 All right, let's go to the cliff. 11 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:38.119 Pretty good, Pretty good. Just got off a gig last week. 12 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:40.039 I talked to Matt Prue last episode about it, but 13 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.039 you kind of missed it. The Hawking Hills sing. But 14 00:00:42.759 --> 00:00:44.840 the only reason I'm bringing that up now is that 15 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:47.039 I just want to let you know that quite a 16 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.200 few people that you have never met before want me 17 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:52.240 to say hi to you for them. 18 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:53.240 Hollo everybody. 19 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:56.520 There you go, guys. I've done my obligation as I 20 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:00.000 said I would, So there you go. Anything going on 21 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:00.799 with you, man. 22 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:05.239 I'm going up your way? Well, it's Crazy's vacation this week. 23 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:07.359 Sure, we're gonna try to go on to vacation, but 24 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.280 we're deciding to do a staycation instead. 25 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.760 I don't blame you. There's nowhere else I'd rather be 26 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:13.159 than home. 27 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:15.319 Personally, we were looking at going like a case either 28 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:17.959 like one hundred and five or whatever, you know, all 29 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.760 those places, and there's a lot of smoke and stuff. 30 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:23.480 So we're just like, well, let's let's just stay here. 31 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:25.400 If I go to waste a bunch of money, I 32 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:25.760 hate you. 33 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:28.760 I cannot. I hate staying in hotels. It's it's just 34 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:30.079 like you're getting robbed, you know. 35 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:32.599 Yeah, two hundred bucks a night is kind of a 36 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:33.680 lot of money for a bed. 37 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.000 I think, yeah, we're trying to do something on the day, 38 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.079 and it's like we're really just goo to like go 39 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:43.200 to just go to dinner here and then you like 40 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:45.159 and not worry about gas, got to the river from 41 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:47.719 I got to give whatever. Just kind of that kind 42 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.920 of like live a little bit, nothing fancy at all, 43 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.079 just a little better than normal. 44 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.079 Oh yeah, sure, sure, yeah. A vacation with your honey 45 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.840 is nothing. A stay cation with your honey is nothing better, man. 46 00:01:59.120 --> 00:01:59.719 There's better. 47 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:03.560 Well, hotels are kind of expensive. If you get one 48 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.200 hundred dollars one then they're kind of dumpy. But you know, Bubba, 49 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:07.439 what you need is a trailer. 50 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:10.840 I can get one. 51 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:14.680 I happen to know. I know a guy I'm like 52 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.199 Frank on. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. I know a 53 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:17.800 guy and. 54 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:18.639 He knows a guy. 55 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.199 Yeah, then I'm going out something that week that I 56 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:26.159 split straight up to Washington. I got something going on 57 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:29.960 up there, working on something, and I'll be up there 58 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:32.400 for a while, and then from there I go down 59 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:37.319 to uh Sandy, Oregon, and yeah, fix up the trailer. 60 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.759 Nice. Nice, that'll be great because we're a mill in 61 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:42.840 the wood man. I got to do some milling this week, 62 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:44.599 and we're going to frame up the inside of the outbuilding. 63 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:45.639 It's going to be pretty. 64 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:46.759 Cool framing it. 65 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:48.960 Yeah, well not all of it, but just like the 66 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.000 back twenty feet or something like that, make a double 67 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.879 decker sort of thing for storage. We're fixing it up 68 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:56.240 with a little bit of water so I can do 69 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.520 casting down there instead of my garage and try to 70 00:02:58.520 --> 00:02:59.159 clear that out. 71 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:03.319 Oh yeah, the Mega Footprint Factory pretty much. 72 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.879 And also, I mean, you know, once once the other 73 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:08.919 collection starts showing up, I've got a couple. I got 74 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.000 a line on a couple of those. I need a 75 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.719 place of storm. And frankly, my garage is not big 76 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.080 enough for my cast collection anymore. It's getting crazy. 77 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:19.120 Dude, You got you got the perfect. 78 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:20.960 Yeah, it's going to be great. It's going to be great. 79 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:22.520 And plus, I mean with all these things we've been 80 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.599 casting lately, I mean the collection I'm gonna go out 81 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:28.400 tomorrow and where we're going, I mean, there's a very 82 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.960 very reasonable chance of pulling a few more casts. So 83 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:33.919 I mean every month it seems like I've got between 84 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:36.639 two and six others because I'm so obsessive about trying 85 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:39.560 to cast everything that's there. Yeah, I can totally see how. 86 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.560 You know, at the end of Paul Freeman's career out 87 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.680 in the Blues, he wouldn't cast the stuff unless it 88 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.240 was beautiful. He's like, oh, these aren't good enough to cast. 89 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.199 Remember he told Meldrum that the five points trackway that 90 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.719 Meldrum looked at in ninety six. In February, he said 91 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.319 those weren't good enough to cast, and Meldrem said, yeah, 92 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:58.360 I could see dramatically fix fading in them in the light, 93 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:00.680 and yeah, he casts I think six r eight of them 94 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.360 in a row, and those blue Meldrum socks off. But yeah, 95 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:06.840 Freeman was saying, yeah, they aren't very good. I'm not 96 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.639 going to cast him. Of course, now I can see 97 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:12.199 where he finally arrived at that because frankly, storage is 98 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:14.560 an issue. But luckily I have that giant outbuilding. You know, 99 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.680 it's practically an airplane hangar, you know, I. 100 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:18.639 Want to square feet to four space in it. 101 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:21.680 I don't know, I think it's I don't even want 102 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:23.399 to guess because I'm so bad at that, but I 103 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.519 have it in my head as something like fifty by seventy, 104 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:26.319 so it's pretty big. 105 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:27.639 That sounds about right. 106 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.439 Yeah, it's somewhere in there. I don't know, maybe it's 107 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.959 forty six by you know, sixty something, but it's pretty 108 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:35.879 big no matter what. It is probably bigger than my well, 109 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.399 it's definitely larger than my home, although my home is 110 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.040 kind of a two level thing, so it's hard to say, 111 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:43.560 but I'm looking forward to it anyway. So nothing, you know, 112 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.160 I mean, I do you know, poke and Heckley and 113 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.160 stuff like that. But it would be great to get 114 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:50.120 the thing out of there. It's it's not a problem 115 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:53.079 now because we're not ready to frame. We're still milling 116 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:54.959 the wood and then of course the mill has to draw, 117 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.240 the wood has to dry, you know, and we're stacking 118 00:04:58.279 --> 00:04:59.600 it and of course, you know, squeeze it and all 119 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.560 that stuff. But you know this this winter though, this 120 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.480 is the plan, like late fall, early winter, we're going 121 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:07.600 to start framing up the inside of that building there 122 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.560 and make a make a place, a secure place that's 123 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.360 you know, somewhat climate controlled for the casts and and 124 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.519 all my manufacturing stuff and all that jazz, so to. 125 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.639 Be climate control. Dan, we did it, right, that's a 126 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:22.920 real museum. There's some degree. 127 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.079 Yeah, yeah, I mean we've got some really cool stuff 128 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.160 coming down the pipe in the museum too, and we 129 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.319 have to we're looking at how to how to take 130 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.000 care of you know, like I can't talk about it 131 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:33.920 because it's not really yet. I don't like to say 132 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.240 what's going to happen till it actually does happen, you know. 133 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.519 But there's some photographs that are like original photographs, and 134 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:42.360 we need to look at preserving and there's some and 135 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.759 a whole a new collection is on the horizon right now. 136 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:49.680 And you know, it's not like all this guy's going 137 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:51.079 to die and we're going to get it. It's like no, 138 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.680 like that. There's another person who's going to donate and 139 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.000 help us out with another collection. So yeah, there's a 140 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.360 lot of big things happen and that I'm looking forward 141 00:05:58.399 --> 00:05:59.680 to being able to talk about a little bit more 142 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.319 freely in the next few months, so we'll see what happens. 143 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:03.000 Cool. 144 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:05.519 Yeah, So lots of stuff is going on here, I mean, 145 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:07.800 as it always is. I'm going to the woods tomorrow. 146 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:09.680 I haven't been home, no. Eight I haven't been home 147 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:10.839 but a couple of days, so I haven't had a 148 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.839 chance to get out to the woods because I was 149 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.759 running pretty ragged before I went to Ohio last weekend. 150 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.560 So since i've been home, it's just been like picking 151 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.240 up the pieces and trying to clean the clutter and 152 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.399 make room for things. It's been terrible here. I'd to 153 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:28.199 install a new dishwasher, so that took a couple hours yesterday. 154 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:30.879 It's just been nuts. It's just been absolutely nuts here. 155 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:33.399 We're doing a I think I mentioned it with Prut 156 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:37.519 on last week's episode. We're doing a shared exhibit with 157 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.720 the Columbia River Gorge Discovery Center and Museum out there 158 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:44.439 in the Dowels. There's a really cool museum out there 159 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.240 in the dows and they're going to be showing a 160 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.319 lot of our exhibits. So I'm kind of been scrambling 161 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.600 to get all that stuff up and running and ready 162 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.360 for them by the by earlish middle of next week. 163 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:55.800 You got to keep your best stuff at your place, 164 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:57.079 right I mean, you don't want to get like your 165 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:58.959 too much good stuff right at once. 166 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.000 Oh yeah, yeah. It's just a sort of thing. It's 167 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:02.439 just a teaser sort of thing, you know. I think 168 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:04.439 there's about twelve or fifteen exhibits that we're going to 169 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:07.639 lend them, which should be nice because that's going to 170 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.160 run from August twenty second through the end of the year, 171 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:12.839 and in fact, I'm even doing a speaking event at 172 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.079 the museum on August twenty seconds. So I don't know 173 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.240 if theyre I haven't seen a flyer or anything like 174 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.720 that for that yet, but when I do, I'll be 175 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:22.319 sure to share it with our members and all that 176 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:23.920 other stuff and just put it on maybe I'll put 177 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.519 it on Facebook or something. But it's just kind of 178 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:27.959 a teaser thing is going to run till the end 179 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:31.319 of the year and hopefully drive traffic to the Aren't 180 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.240 My Museum, but also on kind of a bigger picture 181 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:37.160 sort of level, hopefully it'll kind of open people's eyes 182 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:41.480 that there is good evidence for sasquatches being real animals. 183 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.000 Of course. And you know, a lot of people go 184 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.399 to that museum and it's like a really nice facility. 185 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.279 It's it's totally legit, man, totally legit, and so we're 186 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:52.199 real happy to be working with them. They're really nice 187 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.680 people over there, and they've been very, very encouraging. They've 188 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:57.600 even hosted other exhibits in the past, like when Chris 189 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.480 Murphy was touring with mostly Renate to Hint and Stuff 190 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.439 I Think and all that stuff eventually ended up in 191 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.600 Lauren Coleman's museum out there in Maine. Right, Well, we 192 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:08.959 got a job to do here, Bobs. You want to 193 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:09.720 jump into this thing. 194 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:12.560 Yeah, that's what he got proud. Yeah. 195 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:15.079 So this is a Q and A episode every single month, Boba. 196 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:17.000 When I do a Q and A, Matt pru is 197 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:21.240 always lurking backstage somewhere. 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Go there, hit the contact button and 225 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.799 just follow the links and maybe you can hear your 226 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.399 voice on the air, like this first question right here. 227 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.879 Hello, this is Joe and Paul from Ohio. When I 228 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.840 first heard about the DNA, I thought that was going 229 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.559 to be a game changer, But then there's no results. 230 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.360 Does anybody have any explanations as to why e DNA 231 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:53.960 doesn't bring any results? 232 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.440 Yeah, I'm one of those sayings I want answers. 233 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:58.600 Yeah, Actually I have a little bit of insight. I've 234 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:00.679 been working with the North Carolina Diversity a little bit 235 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.240 on a certain project that I can tell more about. 236 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:06.639 And that's some other point. But yeah, part of the 237 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:11.480 problem is that every living thing in the environment sheds 238 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.080 DNA stuff all the time, so it's actually super super 239 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.879 contaminated in a lot of ways. Contaminated may not be 240 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.080 the right word, but there's so much noise in the 241 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:23.879 signal that it's hard to, you know, pull out the 242 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:26.120 important bits from my understanding, and I have a very 243 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.480 limited understanding of this kind of stuff, but from an 244 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:30.159 understand like you take a sample of the ground, like 245 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.360 say a sasquatch or anything, a bear steps in a 246 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.759 puddle or something like that, that puddle or that that 247 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.120 piece of dirt has been there forever pretty much. We'll 248 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:43.480 just say forever, although maybe it's only twenty years, maybe 249 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.519 it's only fifty years, maybe it's maybe it's a thousand years, 250 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.000 but you get the idea, right, And everything in that 251 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.440 environment is breathing, so the water drop droplets with the 252 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.919 saliva and stuff that all has DNA, everything in there 253 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.600 shedding skin and hair and duff and whatever else, and 254 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:04.279 it all settles down kind of uniformly and very thinly 255 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:07.240 throughout the entire environment. In order to pull out the 256 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.360 important stuff, like in our case, what we want to 257 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.960 look at is some sort of primate DNA or homini 258 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.480 or homin in DNA or something like that. You need 259 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.000 to have certain primers, and what a primer does is 260 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.960 that it amplifies certain signals. But the thing is about 261 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.919 that is that we have no primer for sasquatch. There 262 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.519 are bear primers, there are tiger primers, there are there 263 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.559 are you know, elk primers and whatever. So the closer 264 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.720 you get to the target species, the better the primer 265 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.639 is going to be. We would want a sasquatch primer, 266 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:38.759 but they don't exist. So what we have to do 267 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:41.919 is kind of guess, okay, primate is a pretty big family, 268 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.159 because that includes to our sears and all this other stuff. 269 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:47.320 If you use a human primer, then that's going to 270 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:52.159 amplify the human part of things. And I think that 271 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.440 that is part of the reason we keep getting human 272 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:59.120 on the hits, because sasquatches are certainly probably like at 273 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:03.559 least ninety eight percent identical to us in DNA, maybe 274 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.799 even ninety nine ninety nine and a half or more 275 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:10.159 identical to us in their DNA. So if you are, 276 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:12.399 you know, amplifying the human part of that, it's going 277 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:14.360 to come out as human, probably almost every time. I 278 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.440 suspect that's what's been going on these last five or 279 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:19.919 eight years of doing these kinds of tests. I don't know. 280 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.039 I'm not an expert by any means. I'm a layman 281 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:27.399 at best, lame man at best. But that is my 282 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.519 understanding is that this is kind of a noised signal ratio, 283 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:35.159 and the signal we're looking for is so minutely different 284 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:39.559 that the other signals drowned it out. However, there is 285 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.200 some hope on the horizon, not only in a couple 286 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:44.440 of Darby's studies. He's got a whole slew of different 287 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:46.799 things he's doing over there at North Carolina State University, 288 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.720 and I for one, completely support all of his efforts. 289 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:55.960 But this past winter, an opportunity arose and of footprints 290 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.960 in the snow that were laid down the previous night, 291 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:01.200 and I call Darby about that, and he goes, well, 292 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.559 this is a really unique opportunity because the only thing 293 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:07.840 that should have touched that snow in the last twenty 294 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.960 four hours is that animal's foot. And so that situation 295 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:16.720 like that arising during the winter time is of great importance. 296 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:18.399 So I'm kind of looking forward to winner for the 297 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.279 first time this year for this reason alone, Because if 298 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:24.559 we can get fresh sasquatch footprints or even like within 299 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.480 a few days or a week old, the only reason, 300 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:32.080 there'll be far less contamination so to speak, in that 301 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:35.600 snow print than there would any footprint in the ground. 302 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.919 And so that gives us a very unique opportunity where 303 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.639 suddenly it's worth it to do kind of this scattershot 304 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:47.840 sort of approximation e DNA test, whereas against the ground 305 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.000 that's time consuming and money consuming and all this other 306 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:55.279 the personnel consuming, it's it's a much much much harder 307 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:58.799 ordeal than if we have something like clean snow that 308 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.799 a sasquatch stepped on last night. That would eliminate a 309 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.360 lot of the other DNA in there. And maybe I'm 310 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:06.799 way off on this or certainly smarter people than me 311 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:10.080 listening to this podcast, but that is my understanding from 312 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:14.279 having worked on a couple of projects with the North 313 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.200 Carolina folks for this last year or two. So I 314 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.440 hope that answers both of your questions, Joe and Paul, 315 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.360 as well as Bobo's cool. Happy to be a service. 316 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:27.519 And again I could be wrong. I don't lie, but 317 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:30.639 I'm very often wrong, so fact check me. You know, 318 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:32.759 ask people who are smarter than me, and you know 319 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.720 DNA people and all that other stuff. So there you go. 320 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.039 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 321 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.039 We'll be right back after these messages. 322 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:50.960 All right, Prue, what you gotten next for us? 323 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:55.039 Good morning, Cliff, Bobo, and mister Pruitt. This is Matthew 324 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:59.240 in eastern Oklahoma. We just got back from birding in 325 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.720 the desert south west in the Sky Islands. So these 326 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.840 big mountains that rise up out of the dry, hot desert, 327 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:11.879 mount lemon Chisos, Basin, Davis Mountains, Madeira Canyon. My question is, 328 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:16.399 do you have any experiences in or aware of really 329 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.879 good reports that come out of or stories that come 330 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.360 out of these sky islands in the Desert Southwest? Any 331 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.000 comments or insight about sasquatch in the sky Islands of 332 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.200 the Desert Southwest, Thanks guys by. 333 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:32.799 Well, the sky islands, it's basically a term often used 334 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.519 for these places like in New Mexico and Arizona, where 335 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:38.559 it's a desert as far as you can see, but 336 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:42.159 then large mountains kind of appear, or mountain ranges, and 337 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.639 of course being higher up, they'll be wetter, they'll be cooler, 338 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.080 and that the habitat will be better for a variety 339 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.919 of wildlife. So as far as experiences up there, well, yeah, 340 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.840 most of stuff in New Mexico is located in these 341 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:56.240 kinds of environments, right. 342 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.000 Oh yeah, well we know, yeah they're there, and actually 343 00:15:59.039 --> 00:15:59.960 I live in those are. 344 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.240 Yeah, the question is do that what's the My question 345 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.679 for those areas, it's like, well, they certainly are up there. There, 346 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.600 there's photo there, there, there's there's a movie, there's photographs 347 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.120 of these things out there. There's tons of reports, the 348 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.840 habitat is great, there's tons of elk and deer, you 349 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:15.720 name it. Man. There's a lot, a lot of food, 350 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.799 great habitat, a lot of cover. My question is how 351 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.360 often do they move between them? And certainly when when 352 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.039 would they do that? Certainly it would be during the 353 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.759 wintertime because a lot of these, you know, places would 354 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:29.639 have rivers coming out of them, and they just probably 355 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.080 go through the arroyos, the dried river beds and whatever 356 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.200 else when there's water running through, the kind of like 357 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.320 what they do in southern California. I think, what do 358 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:36.919 you think, Bobo? 359 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:38.360 Yeah, I agree. 360 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.639 You drive out there and I remember, you know, driving 361 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:43.679 like the ten and the forty and stuff out through 362 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:45.399 the next kint Arizona, and you look at you like, 363 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.240 especially the next you're looking at it like eight nine 364 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.919 thousand foot elevation. It's you go up there, it's thick 365 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:54.320 for us. You're like, it's surrounded by desert, but it's 366 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:57.440 thick for us. And there's everything they need up there. 367 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.360 It's like, ah, I know, you ask you now there 368 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.519 on the border in New Mexico, Arizona. There's a lot 369 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:04.720 of stuff always going up there, Like people short the 370 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.519 squatches down there go up there a lot and I'll 371 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:12.079 eve been up there, I guess twice, and that is 372 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:14.680 such great habitat and I think I think that's a 373 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.359 good place to focus to. There's not this huge thick 374 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.559 county for US northwest that you can you can see, 375 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:22.480 you can see, and I think jerones would be more 376 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.359 viable that they can see further and not not as obscured. 377 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.519 Well, yeah, another thing that I think a lot of 378 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.359 bigfooters overlook and I know you don't, but I've talked 379 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:34.720 to you about this, but a lot of bigfooters overlook 380 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:38.119 the huge variety of plants available on the borders of 381 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.119 deserts and more lush terrain, and these sky islands are 382 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:44.720 abundant in that, which is another thing you can find, 383 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:47.640 say on the east side of the Sierra Nevada Range 384 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.160 in California, because the lowlands of the Owens Valley and 385 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.720 south there in Mahabians, so the hardcore desert. That's the 386 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.559 same case, the same case here over in Arizona, New Mexico. 387 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.799 But up on top of these mountains, where these mountains 388 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.119 are capturing the moisture from the clouds and raining, there's 389 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.960 a lot of lush growth, you know, a lot of undergrowth, 390 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.440 a lot of trees, a lot of animals. You go 391 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.039 down the slope, and then of course you start going 392 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.279 into the desert, and where are most of the animals. 393 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.680 They're very often found in transition zones where one biome 394 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:19.960 turns into another biome. In this case, forests got turning 395 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:23.240 into desert or something, or chaparral or whatever. That's where 396 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:25.640 a lot of animals are found. Because when you think 397 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:27.920 about it, it makes a lot of sense. The desert 398 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:32.519 has its own resources, its own food items, its own animals, 399 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.039 its own plants, and the forested areas have the same thing. 400 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.880 So where these two areas connect, where they collide, so 401 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.759