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Speaker 4: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.
Speaker 2: Greetings, Bobo. How are you doing? My friend?
Speaker 5: All right, let's go to the cliff.
Speaker 2: Pretty good, Pretty good. Just got off a gig last week.
Speaker 2: I talked to Matt Prue last episode about it, but
Speaker 2: you kind of missed it. The Hawking Hills sing. But
Speaker 2: the only reason I'm bringing that up now is that
Speaker 2: I just want to let you know that quite a
Speaker 2: few people that you have never met before want me
Speaker 2: to say hi to you for them.
Speaker 5: Hollo everybody.
Speaker 2: There you go, guys. I've done my obligation as I
Speaker 2: said I would, So there you go. Anything going on
Speaker 2: with you, man.
Speaker 5: I'm going up your way? Well, it's Crazy's vacation this week.
Speaker 4: Sure, we're gonna try to go on to vacation, but
Speaker 4: we're deciding to do a staycation instead.
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. There's nowhere else I'd rather be
Speaker 2: than home.
Speaker 3: Personally, we were looking at going like a case either
Speaker 3: like one hundred and five or whatever, you know, all
Speaker 3: those places, and there's a lot of smoke and stuff.
Speaker 3: So we're just like, well, let's let's just stay here.
Speaker 3: If I go to waste a bunch of money, I
Speaker 3: hate you.
Speaker 5: I cannot. I hate staying in hotels. It's it's just
Speaker 5: like you're getting robbed, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two hundred bucks a night is kind of a
Speaker 2: lot of money for a bed.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, we're trying to do something on the day,
Speaker 4: and it's like we're really just goo to like go
Speaker 4: to just go to dinner here and then you like
Speaker 4: and not worry about gas, got to the river from
Speaker 4: I got to give whatever. Just kind of that kind
Speaker 4: of like live a little bit, nothing fancy at all,
Speaker 4: just a little better than normal.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, sure, yeah. A vacation with your honey
Speaker 2: is nothing. A stay cation with your honey is nothing better, man.
Speaker 5: There's better.
Speaker 2: Well, hotels are kind of expensive. If you get one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars one then they're kind of dumpy. But you know, Bubba,
Speaker 2: what you need is a trailer.
Speaker 5: I can get one.
Speaker 2: I happen to know. I know a guy I'm like
Speaker 2: Frank on. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. I know a
Speaker 2: guy and.
Speaker 5: He knows a guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then I'm going out something that week that I
Speaker 4: split straight up to Washington. I got something going on
Speaker 4: up there, working on something, and I'll be up there
Speaker 4: for a while, and then from there I go down
Speaker 4: to uh Sandy, Oregon, and yeah, fix up the trailer.
Speaker 2: Nice. Nice, that'll be great because we're a mill in
Speaker 2: the wood man. I got to do some milling this week,
Speaker 2: and we're going to frame up the inside of the outbuilding.
Speaker 2: It's going to be pretty.
Speaker 5: Cool framing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well not all of it, but just like the
Speaker 2: back twenty feet or something like that, make a double
Speaker 2: decker sort of thing for storage. We're fixing it up
Speaker 2: with a little bit of water so I can do
Speaker 2: casting down there instead of my garage and try to
Speaker 2: clear that out.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the Mega Footprint Factory pretty much.
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, you know, once once the other
Speaker 2: collection starts showing up, I've got a couple. I got
Speaker 2: a line on a couple of those. I need a
Speaker 2: place of storm. And frankly, my garage is not big
Speaker 2: enough for my cast collection anymore. It's getting crazy.
Speaker 5: Dude, You got you got the perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be great. It's going to be great.
Speaker 2: And plus, I mean with all these things we've been
Speaker 2: casting lately, I mean the collection I'm gonna go out
Speaker 2: tomorrow and where we're going, I mean, there's a very
Speaker 2: very reasonable chance of pulling a few more casts. So
Speaker 2: I mean every month it seems like I've got between
Speaker 2: two and six others because I'm so obsessive about trying
Speaker 2: to cast everything that's there. Yeah, I can totally see how.
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of Paul Freeman's career out
Speaker 2: in the Blues, he wouldn't cast the stuff unless it
Speaker 2: was beautiful. He's like, oh, these aren't good enough to cast.
Speaker 2: Remember he told Meldrum that the five points trackway that
Speaker 2: Meldrum looked at in ninety six. In February, he said
Speaker 2: those weren't good enough to cast, and Meldrem said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could see dramatically fix fading in them in the light,
Speaker 2: and yeah, he casts I think six r eight of them
Speaker 2: in a row, and those blue Meldrum socks off. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Freeman was saying, yeah, they aren't very good. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to cast him. Of course, now I can see
Speaker 2: where he finally arrived at that because frankly, storage is
Speaker 2: an issue. But luckily I have that giant outbuilding. You know,
Speaker 2: it's practically an airplane hangar, you know, I.
Speaker 5: Want to square feet to four space in it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think it's I don't even want
Speaker 2: to guess because I'm so bad at that, but I
Speaker 2: have it in my head as something like fifty by seventy,
Speaker 2: so it's pretty big.
Speaker 5: That sounds about right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's somewhere in there. I don't know, maybe it's
Speaker 2: forty six by you know, sixty something, but it's pretty
Speaker 2: big no matter what. It is probably bigger than my well,
Speaker 2: it's definitely larger than my home, although my home is
Speaker 2: kind of a two level thing, so it's hard to say,
Speaker 2: but I'm looking forward to it anyway. So nothing, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I do you know, poke and Heckley and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But it would be great to get
Speaker 2: the thing out of there. It's it's not a problem
Speaker 2: now because we're not ready to frame. We're still milling
Speaker 2: the wood and then of course the mill has to draw,
Speaker 2: the wood has to dry, you know, and we're stacking
Speaker 2: it and of course, you know, squeeze it and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. But you know this this winter though, this
Speaker 2: is the plan, like late fall, early winter, we're going
Speaker 2: to start framing up the inside of that building there
Speaker 2: and make a make a place, a secure place that's
Speaker 2: you know, somewhat climate controlled for the casts and and
Speaker 2: all my manufacturing stuff and all that jazz, so to.
Speaker 5: Be climate control. Dan, we did it, right, that's a
Speaker 5: real museum. There's some degree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we've got some really cool stuff
Speaker 2: coming down the pipe in the museum too, and we
Speaker 2: have to we're looking at how to how to take
Speaker 2: care of you know, like I can't talk about it
Speaker 2: because it's not really yet. I don't like to say
Speaker 2: what's going to happen till it actually does happen, you know.
Speaker 2: But there's some photographs that are like original photographs, and
Speaker 2: we need to look at preserving and there's some and
Speaker 2: a whole a new collection is on the horizon right now.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's not like all this guy's going
Speaker 2: to die and we're going to get it. It's like no,
Speaker 2: like that. There's another person who's going to donate and
Speaker 2: help us out with another collection. So yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of big things happen and that I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to being able to talk about a little bit more
Speaker 2: freely in the next few months, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So lots of stuff is going on here, I mean,
Speaker 2: as it always is. I'm going to the woods tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I haven't been home, no. Eight I haven't been home
Speaker 2: but a couple of days, so I haven't had a
Speaker 2: chance to get out to the woods because I was
Speaker 2: running pretty ragged before I went to Ohio last weekend.
Speaker 2: So since i've been home, it's just been like picking
Speaker 2: up the pieces and trying to clean the clutter and
Speaker 2: make room for things. It's been terrible here. I'd to
Speaker 2: install a new dishwasher, so that took a couple hours yesterday.
Speaker 2: It's just been nuts. It's just been absolutely nuts here.
Speaker 2: We're doing a I think I mentioned it with Prut
Speaker 2: on last week's episode. We're doing a shared exhibit with
Speaker 2: the Columbia River Gorge Discovery Center and Museum out there
Speaker 2: in the Dowels. There's a really cool museum out there
Speaker 2: in the dows and they're going to be showing a
Speaker 2: lot of our exhibits. So I'm kind of been scrambling
Speaker 2: to get all that stuff up and running and ready
Speaker 2: for them by the by earlish middle of next week.
Speaker 4: You got to keep your best stuff at your place,
Speaker 4: right I mean, you don't want to get like your
Speaker 4: too much good stuff right at once.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. It's just a sort of thing. It's
Speaker 2: just a teaser sort of thing, you know. I think
Speaker 2: there's about twelve or fifteen exhibits that we're going to
Speaker 2: lend them, which should be nice because that's going to
Speaker 2: run from August twenty second through the end of the year,
Speaker 2: and in fact, I'm even doing a speaking event at
Speaker 2: the museum on August twenty seconds. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if theyre I haven't seen a flyer or anything like
Speaker 2: that for that yet, but when I do, I'll be
Speaker 2: sure to share it with our members and all that
Speaker 2: other stuff and just put it on maybe I'll put
Speaker 2: it on Facebook or something. But it's just kind of
Speaker 2: a teaser thing is going to run till the end
Speaker 2: of the year and hopefully drive traffic to the Aren't
Speaker 2: My Museum, but also on kind of a bigger picture
Speaker 2: sort of level, hopefully it'll kind of open people's eyes
Speaker 2: that there is good evidence for sasquatches being real animals.
Speaker 2: Of course. And you know, a lot of people go
Speaker 2: to that museum and it's like a really nice facility.
Speaker 2: It's it's totally legit, man, totally legit, and so we're
Speaker 2: real happy to be working with them. They're really nice
Speaker 2: people over there, and they've been very, very encouraging. They've
Speaker 2: even hosted other exhibits in the past, like when Chris
Speaker 2: Murphy was touring with mostly Renate to Hint and Stuff
Speaker 2: I Think and all that stuff eventually ended up in
Speaker 2: Lauren Coleman's museum out there in Maine. Right, Well, we
Speaker 2: got a job to do here, Bobs. You want to
Speaker 2: jump into this thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what he got proud. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Hello, this is Joe and Paul from Ohio. When I
Speaker 6: first heard about the DNA, I thought that was going
Speaker 6: to be a game changer, But then there's no results.
Speaker 6: Does anybody have any explanations as to why e DNA
Speaker 6: doesn't bring any results?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm one of those sayings I want answers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually I have a little bit of insight. I've
Speaker 2: been working with the North Carolina Diversity a little bit
Speaker 2: on a certain project that I can tell more about.
Speaker 2: And that's some other point. But yeah, part of the
Speaker 2: problem is that every living thing in the environment sheds
Speaker 2: DNA stuff all the time, so it's actually super super
Speaker 2: contaminated in a lot of ways. Contaminated may not be
Speaker 2: the right word, but there's so much noise in the
Speaker 2: signal that it's hard to, you know, pull out the
Speaker 2: important bits from my understanding, and I have a very
Speaker 2: limited understanding of this kind of stuff, but from an
Speaker 2: understand like you take a sample of the ground, like
Speaker 2: say a sasquatch or anything, a bear steps in a
Speaker 2: puddle or something like that, that puddle or that that
Speaker 2: piece of dirt has been there forever pretty much. We'll
Speaker 2: just say forever, although maybe it's only twenty years, maybe
Speaker 2: it's only fifty years, maybe it's maybe it's a thousand years,
Speaker 2: but you get the idea, right, And everything in that
Speaker 2: environment is breathing, so the water drop droplets with the
Speaker 2: saliva and stuff that all has DNA, everything in there
Speaker 2: shedding skin and hair and duff and whatever else, and
Speaker 2: it all settles down kind of uniformly and very thinly
Speaker 2: throughout the entire environment. In order to pull out the
Speaker 2: important stuff, like in our case, what we want to
Speaker 2: look at is some sort of primate DNA or homini
Speaker 2: or homin in DNA or something like that. You need
Speaker 2: to have certain primers, and what a primer does is
Speaker 2: that it amplifies certain signals. But the thing is about
Speaker 2: that is that we have no primer for sasquatch. There
Speaker 2: are bear primers, there are tiger primers, there are there
Speaker 2: are you know, elk primers and whatever. So the closer
Speaker 2: you get to the target species, the better the primer
Speaker 2: is going to be. We would want a sasquatch primer,
Speaker 2: but they don't exist. So what we have to do
Speaker 2: is kind of guess, okay, primate is a pretty big family,
Speaker 2: because that includes to our sears and all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: If you use a human primer, then that's going to
Speaker 2: amplify the human part of things. And I think that
Speaker 2: that is part of the reason we keep getting human
Speaker 2: on the hits, because sasquatches are certainly probably like at
Speaker 2: least ninety eight percent identical to us in DNA, maybe
Speaker 2: even ninety nine ninety nine and a half or more
Speaker 2: identical to us in their DNA. So if you are,
Speaker 2: you know, amplifying the human part of that, it's going
Speaker 2: to come out as human, probably almost every time. I
Speaker 2: suspect that's what's been going on these last five or
Speaker 2: eight years of doing these kinds of tests. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert by any means. I'm a layman
Speaker 2: at best, lame man at best. But that is my
Speaker 2: understanding is that this is kind of a noised signal ratio,
Speaker 2: and the signal we're looking for is so minutely different
Speaker 2: that the other signals drowned it out. However, there is
Speaker 2: some hope on the horizon, not only in a couple
Speaker 2: of Darby's studies. He's got a whole slew of different
Speaker 2: things he's doing over there at North Carolina State University,
Speaker 2: and I for one, completely support all of his efforts.
Speaker 2: But this past winter, an opportunity arose and of footprints
Speaker 2: in the snow that were laid down the previous night,
Speaker 2: and I call Darby about that, and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: this is a really unique opportunity because the only thing
Speaker 2: that should have touched that snow in the last twenty
Speaker 2: four hours is that animal's foot. And so that situation
Speaker 2: like that arising during the winter time is of great importance.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of looking forward to winner for the
Speaker 2: first time this year for this reason alone, Because if
Speaker 2: we can get fresh sasquatch footprints or even like within
Speaker 2: a few days or a week old, the only reason,
Speaker 2: there'll be far less contamination so to speak, in that
Speaker 2: snow print than there would any footprint in the ground.
Speaker 2: And so that gives us a very unique opportunity where
Speaker 2: suddenly it's worth it to do kind of this scattershot
Speaker 2: sort of approximation e DNA test, whereas against the ground
Speaker 2: that's time consuming and money consuming and all this other
Speaker 2: the personnel consuming, it's it's a much much much harder
Speaker 2: ordeal than if we have something like clean snow that
Speaker 2: a sasquatch stepped on last night. That would eliminate a
Speaker 2: lot of the other DNA in there. And maybe I'm
Speaker 2: way off on this or certainly smarter people than me
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast, but that is my understanding from
Speaker 2: having worked on a couple of projects with the North
Speaker 2: Carolina folks for this last year or two. So I
Speaker 2: hope that answers both of your questions, Joe and Paul,
Speaker 2: as well as Bobo's cool. Happy to be a service.
Speaker 2: And again I could be wrong. I don't lie, but
Speaker 2: I'm very often wrong, so fact check me. You know,
Speaker 2: ask people who are smarter than me, and you know
Speaker 2: DNA people and all that other stuff. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: All right, Prue, what you gotten next for us?
Speaker 7: Good morning, Cliff, Bobo, and mister Pruitt. This is Matthew
Speaker 7: in eastern Oklahoma. We just got back from birding in
Speaker 7: the desert south west in the Sky Islands. So these
Speaker 7: big mountains that rise up out of the dry, hot desert,
Speaker 7: mount lemon Chisos, Basin, Davis Mountains, Madeira Canyon. My question is,
Speaker 7: do you have any experiences in or aware of really
Speaker 7: good reports that come out of or stories that come
Speaker 7: out of these sky islands in the Desert Southwest? Any
Speaker 7: comments or insight about sasquatch in the sky Islands of
Speaker 7: the Desert Southwest, Thanks guys by.
Speaker 2: Well, the sky islands, it's basically a term often used
Speaker 2: for these places like in New Mexico and Arizona, where
Speaker 2: it's a desert as far as you can see, but
Speaker 2: then large mountains kind of appear, or mountain ranges, and
Speaker 2: of course being higher up, they'll be wetter, they'll be cooler,
Speaker 2: and that the habitat will be better for a variety
Speaker 2: of wildlife. So as far as experiences up there, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: most of stuff in New Mexico is located in these
Speaker 2: kinds of environments, right.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well we know, yeah they're there, and actually
Speaker 5: I live in those are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the question is do that what's the My question
Speaker 2: for those areas, it's like, well, they certainly are up there. There,
Speaker 2: there's photo there, there, there's there's a movie, there's photographs
Speaker 2: of these things out there. There's tons of reports, the
Speaker 2: habitat is great, there's tons of elk and deer, you
Speaker 2: name it. Man. There's a lot, a lot of food,
Speaker 2: great habitat, a lot of cover. My question is how
Speaker 2: often do they move between them? And certainly when when
Speaker 2: would they do that? Certainly it would be during the
Speaker 2: wintertime because a lot of these, you know, places would
Speaker 2: have rivers coming out of them, and they just probably
Speaker 2: go through the arroyos, the dried river beds and whatever
Speaker 2: else when there's water running through, the kind of like
Speaker 2: what they do in southern California. I think, what do
Speaker 2: you think, Bobo?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: You drive out there and I remember, you know, driving
Speaker 4: like the ten and the forty and stuff out through
Speaker 4: the next kint Arizona, and you look at you like,
Speaker 4: especially the next you're looking at it like eight nine
Speaker 4: thousand foot elevation. It's you go up there, it's thick
Speaker 4: for us. You're like, it's surrounded by desert, but it's
Speaker 4: thick for us. And there's everything they need up there.
Speaker 4: It's like, ah, I know, you ask you now there
Speaker 4: on the border in New Mexico, Arizona. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff always going up there, Like people short the
Speaker 4: squatches down there go up there a lot and I'll
Speaker 4: eve been up there, I guess twice, and that is
Speaker 4: such great habitat and I think I think that's a
Speaker 4: good place to focus to. There's not this huge thick
Speaker 4: county for US northwest that you can you can see,
Speaker 4: you can see, and I think jerones would be more
Speaker 4: viable that they can see further and not not as obscured.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, another thing that I think a lot of
Speaker 2: bigfooters overlook and I know you don't, but I've talked
Speaker 2: to you about this, but a lot of bigfooters overlook
Speaker 2: the huge variety of plants available on the borders of
Speaker 2: deserts and more lush terrain, and these sky islands are
Speaker 2: abundant in that, which is another thing you can find,
Speaker 2: say on the east side of the Sierra Nevada Range
Speaker 2: in California, because the lowlands of the Owens Valley and
Speaker 2: south there in Mahabians, so the hardcore desert. That's the
Speaker 2: same case, the same case here over in Arizona, New Mexico.
Speaker 2: But up on top of these mountains, where these mountains
Speaker 2: are capturing the moisture from the clouds and raining, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of lush growth, you know, a lot of undergrowth,
Speaker 2: a lot of trees, a lot of animals. You go
Speaker 2: down the slope, and then of course you start going
Speaker 2: into the desert, and where are most of the animals.
Speaker 2: They're very often found in transition zones where one biome
Speaker 2: turns into another biome. In this case, forests got turning
Speaker 2: into desert or something, or chaparral or whatever. That's where
Speaker 2: a lot of animals are found. Because when you think
Speaker 2: about it, it makes a lot of sense. The desert
Speaker 2: has its own resources, its own food items, its own animals,
Speaker 2: its own plants, and the forested areas have the same thing.
Speaker 2: So where these two areas connect, where they collide, so
Speaker 2: to speak, you have the best of both worlds. You
Speaker 2: have a much wider variety of plant and animal life
Speaker 2: to feed upon. It's just a better habitat in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways. That's why hunters always work. These transitions
Speaker 2: are not always, but very often worth the transition zones
Speaker 2: because that's where the animals are. Because the animals don't
Speaker 2: want a wider variety of food. The sky islands are
Speaker 2: fantastic locations where whatever movement there is within the species
Speaker 2: season the season can be mostly vertical and meet all
Speaker 2: of their needs and have a very wide diet.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 4: Like, what I find really interesting is when they're seen
Speaker 4: in between the skyls, like they're seen it like, well,
Speaker 4: there's absolutely no way they live there, but they're seen
Speaker 4: in like these full desert you know, like maybe ten
Speaker 4: fifteen miles from the nearest suitable habitat, you know, and
Speaker 4: there get they get spotted out there.
Speaker 2: Oh certainly, I mean, and then they would do they
Speaker 2: would do that sort of thing, and the same sort
Speaker 2: of way off off the coast of British Columbia or Alaska,
Speaker 2: they see, oh there's an island over there, I'm going
Speaker 2: to swim to it. It would be the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: In this case, it's a sky island and they don't
Speaker 2: need to swim, so they can actually go faster. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they just do so at night and when the weather
Speaker 2: is cool, I think, I think winter time. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: you and I have both talked on this podcast about
Speaker 2: doing footprint investigations in the Mahabi river bed, you know,
Speaker 2: between the hatch Apee and the southern California Mountains, and
Speaker 2: those were always in December and January, so it makes
Speaker 2: a little bit of sense. Yeah, So there you go.
Speaker 2: Matthew I don't know if that answers your question, but
Speaker 2: it seems like it does. I hope it does at least,
Speaker 2: so thanks so much for listening. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, Prude.
Speaker 2: Do we have another voicemail for us?
Speaker 8: Hey, Cliff and Bobo. This is Nick from New Jersey.
Speaker 8: I currently have about thirty acres of forested land in
Speaker 8: New Jersey with a bunch of cellular cameras on the property.
Speaker 8: Whenever the cameras are off, I feel that the bear
Speaker 8: activity is way higher. Do you think black bears and
Speaker 8: also do you think sasquatch are able to detect the
Speaker 8: frequencies from cameras or the IR I'm super interested because
Speaker 8: just last week we saw five black bears once the
Speaker 8: cameras were all turned off. Love the show.
Speaker 5: I've never heard that Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean they might be able to detect them.
Speaker 2: I think through we've talked a lot about how I
Speaker 2: personally think sasquatches might be able to year that sort
Speaker 2: of electronic you know, wine or hum or, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, in small electronics that I think
Speaker 2: that's a real possibility. I know I've certainly got more
Speaker 2: than my fair share of photographs and videos of a
Speaker 2: wide variety of wildlife looking directly at the camera in
Speaker 2: its first photographs, So it's not like the flash went
Speaker 2: off and then it noticed. Remember that, I don't believe
Speaker 2: there's an ir beam coming out of your cameras anyway.
Speaker 2: It's a passive ir thing where the text movement in
Speaker 2: front of it, so there is no light coming out
Speaker 2: of a camera. And you can test this by using
Speaker 2: night vision and looking at your camera in the dark,
Speaker 2: because night vision sees infrared and I've never noticed that,
Speaker 2: so I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: there might be some sort of sound coming out of it,
Speaker 2: but can bears detect it? Absolutely smell. That's why that's
Speaker 2: why they sell these metal bear containers, well not bear containers,
Speaker 2: camera containers for bears. You know. These these basically armor
Speaker 2: for your game cameras made at a metal that you
Speaker 2: can attach the trees to stop the bears from chewing
Speaker 2: up your game cameras because they smell it. And you
Speaker 2: can tell that they can smell it because they come
Speaker 2: up and eat it and sniff it. And I've got
Speaker 2: a lot of pretty close pictures of a bears sniff
Speaker 2: in my camera and luckily none of them have tried
Speaker 2: to eat it so far. But they literally sell armor
Speaker 2: for your game cameras to stop the bears from eating them,
Speaker 2: so you don't lose expensive equipment out of the woods.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case with sasquatches, And just
Speaker 2: by looking at the two species, you can probably guess why.
Speaker 2: The bears, just like dog and deer and other animals
Speaker 2: like that that have a very good sense of smell,
Speaker 2: haven elongated snout, and that is to increase the surface
Speaker 2: area where the smell nerves are located to give them
Speaker 2: a better sense of smell, where sasquatches and humans and
Speaker 2: all the other ape species have a flat, relatively flat
Speaker 2: face without an elongated nose. So even though the other
Speaker 2: ape species, including sasquatches, probably have a better sense of
Speaker 2: smell than human beings, because we've domesticated at ourselves, we
Speaker 2: all have about the same And it's not that great.
Speaker 2: It's good, it's good enough to survive, but it's not
Speaker 2: that great. It has nowhere near that a dog or
Speaker 2: a bear or anything like that. So can they detect
Speaker 2: them absolutely through smell? But you know, but it's something
Speaker 2: else you said, I think is of interest. You said,
Speaker 2: I feel there is more bear activity when the game
Speaker 2: cameras aren't out or are off. I think is what
Speaker 2: you said. Okay, that's nice, but maybe you should collect
Speaker 2: some numbers on that, because gut feelings can be very,
Speaker 2: very misleading. And it's a simple thing, you know, just
Speaker 2: start to keep a journal, make an Excel sheet or something,
Speaker 2: and it's like, every time you see one, mark the
Speaker 2: date and see if it's on or off. Select a
Speaker 2: little bit of data, because I think as a Bigfoot community,
Speaker 2: we're hoping to up the game a little bit and
Speaker 2: stop depending on our opinions or our feelings and start
Speaker 2: depending more on data. So I would encourage you that direction,
Speaker 2: and maybe there's something to it. And when you get
Speaker 2: the data in, look at the pattern and then ask
Speaker 2: yourself a question, huh, I wonder if it's the case
Speaker 2: that they're noticing it somehow. Then design yourself an experiment
Speaker 2: on one side of your property, on one side of
Speaker 2: your thirty acres, turn on the game cameras on the
Speaker 2: other side, keep them off, do a test thing, and
Speaker 2: then switch that every couple of months, and then in
Speaker 2: one little area do this and that. Design an experiment,
Speaker 2: just to get to the bottom of it. Do some science.
Speaker 2: We're all capable of this and it's super fun to do.
Speaker 2: So that's my encouragement for you.
Speaker 5: All Right, we got any written ones?
Speaker 2: We sure do, I think so. As the last voicemail,
Speaker 2: why don't we hop into the written questions and Bobo
Speaker 2: you can read the first one.
Speaker 4: This is from Chris Tierney after hearing about Bobo's cat
Speaker 4: feeding business. Can you quote me for coming to England
Speaker 4: to feed my cat for a weekend. I have a
Speaker 4: big guard and so Cliff can send his trailer for
Speaker 4: and kill two birds with one stone. Keep it the
Speaker 4: good work, love the podcast. I'm definitely available, Chris, and
Speaker 4: I'll work cheap. Just a first class airline ticket and
Speaker 4: twenty bucks.
Speaker 2: I think that's more than fair. You're you're going to
Speaker 2: find a better deal than that, Chris. Now, although it's
Speaker 2: going to be expensive to get its trailer over there,
Speaker 2: it's worth it. And then killing birds, I don't know,
Speaker 2: what do you have against birds? Okay? Yeah, so kill
Speaker 2: two birds with one stone? I don't know. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: prefer stones to birds. Okay. The next question here is
Speaker 2: from Jacob Jacob Ce specifically, what is in your opinion,
Speaker 2: the most underrated place you have squatched at? Also, what
Speaker 2: is the most overrated? Thank you and keep it squatchy.
Speaker 4: I gotta go with Massachusetts for me for underrated, five
Speaker 4: for five and that's five trips are. I might be
Speaker 4: going out there with Bart to go see John Wilke
Speaker 4: and some Red Sox games and do some squatching for
Speaker 4: a few nights too. We'll see that that that's going
Speaker 4: to come together in September.
Speaker 2: Now, what about your what's the most overrated?
Speaker 4: Ooh, maybe like the U out of the giants, like
Speaker 4: the Redwoods down southern Humboldt, Northern member seem like in
Speaker 4: the Redwood specifically in like the parts and stuff. I
Speaker 4: think I don't think there's I think people think they're
Speaker 4: there more than they are.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting point, Yeah, because I think we've been trained,
Speaker 2: so to speak, by media and whatnot, to think that,
Speaker 2: you know, ferns and redwoods and stuff like, oh, they've
Speaker 2: got to be there. Look how squatchy it looks because
Speaker 2: it looks so lush beautiful, right. But yeah, and certainly
Speaker 2: they're there. Certainly they're there. But a lot of the places,
Speaker 2: like when I do follow ups with witnesses and stuff.
Speaker 2: A lot of the places aren't like that at all.
Speaker 2: They're kind of could more than I would ever expect,
Speaker 2: have those kind of like pecker poles, sort of like
Speaker 2: densely packed regrowth and real so's so dense that nothing
Speaker 2: really grows in the understory, which is in stark contrast
Speaker 2: to the Redwoods, where all sorts of things are growing
Speaker 2: in the understory. Yeah, a lot of times I'm actually
Speaker 2: stricten by struck by how unattractive the places where sasquatches
Speaker 2: have been seen are, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like marshes and swamps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of that, But I'm even just
Speaker 2: thinking like these kind of desolate brown forests of thick
Speaker 2: sticks and all that stuff, you know. And I can
Speaker 2: see why they like it, you know, because it's hard
Speaker 2: to move around without making noise, and you know, you
Speaker 2: can't see if it hide in and stuff. But it's
Speaker 2: not exactly an attractive place in my opinion, at least.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like it, but I think you might
Speaker 2: be right, you know, Like the Redwoods, I mean, they
Speaker 2: look amazing, and they certainly look like the stereotypical squatchy area,
Speaker 2: but as most stereotypes prove to be not true, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just not necessarily the case. And I think, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of food and stuff in
Speaker 2: the redwoods particularly, but I think there's actually less biodiversity
Speaker 2: in some of those places because of the predominance of
Speaker 2: certain other plants, you know.
Speaker 5: Right, I mean there's a lot of bottle versus.
Speaker 4: There's probably more to bottle versity in the redwoods, but
Speaker 4: there's not stack up the calories.
Speaker 2: To a lot of Yeah, so I might be with you.
Speaker 2: As nice as the northern California redwoods look, and certainly
Speaker 2: there are sasquatches there, I'm not saying.
Speaker 5: That, Yeah they're there. They're in there in certain spots,
Speaker 5: but not all over.
Speaker 2: No. Yeah, I think I think that the keyword here
Speaker 2: is in the question overrated, you know, overrated for sasquatch stuff.
Speaker 4: It's still better than a lot of places, but it's
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, so when you have that stereotypical thing
Speaker 4: a minus redwoods and ferns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know, the first place that jumped
Speaker 2: to my mind as far as underrated places is southern
Speaker 2: Indiana and Illinois. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like along the rivers
Speaker 2: there like they're really, really good, a lot of fantastic
Speaker 2: habit to have because oh they're in Kentucky but not Indiana.
Speaker 2: Come on, get your get your mind straight, because one
Speaker 2: river separates it. Do they are there? They are absolutely there,
Speaker 2: and a lot of stuff happens. It's just that no
Speaker 2: one really talks about it because there aren't very many
Speaker 2: researchers in the area. There are some, there are definitely some,
Speaker 2: and thankfully there are some that document this sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: but I think southern Indiana was probably the first place
Speaker 2: that to my mind, although you know you're right about
Speaker 2: the Massachusetts as well. I think, Thank goodness, John Wilkins
Speaker 2: his buddies are out there.
Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, what do.
Speaker 2: We hop to the next question? Here? This one's yours, Bobs.
Speaker 4: Okay, this one's from Ronnie Brayley High Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 4: I really enjoy your podcast. I've been catching up on
Speaker 4: old episodes that I'm especially enjoying the episode that episodes
Speaker 4: that have Cliff trying to figure out why Bobo is
Speaker 4: so radiant.
Speaker 5: But I digress.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering what happens to the test of DNA samples
Speaker 4: that came back unknown. Is anyone comparing the unknowns to
Speaker 4: each other and compiling a library of unknown related specimens
Speaker 4: so that when Sasquatch is disoveredy already will already have
Speaker 4: a data bank of information about them. Thank you, and
Speaker 4: keep it squashy. Yeah, that's so I've been wondering they
Speaker 4: must write, I mean, or that they don't.
Speaker 2: What is it, Cliff, I've got a little bit of
Speaker 2: insight on this one as well. So Darby or Cut
Speaker 2: at the North Carolina study there is doing a great
Speaker 2: job tracking down all these rumors. Basically, you know, because
Speaker 2: we've all heard rumors, and this mythology of you know,
Speaker 2: this DNA test came back that this one, that one,
Speaker 2: et cetera, you'd be I'm surprised, and Darby is also surprised.
Speaker 2: I might add I don't want to put words in
Speaker 2: his mouth, of course, but we should probably have Derby
Speaker 2: back on to talk about this stuff again. But from
Speaker 2: what I understand, and again I could be wrong, I
Speaker 2: might be incorrect, So always always fact check me. I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you the truth as I understand it, slightly
Speaker 2: more than opinion. Basically, from what I understand a lot
Speaker 2: of this these rumors are just patently false. Basically, the
Speaker 2: DNA tests either never happened or it became part of
Speaker 2: the storied mythology of Bigfoot that this happened. There are
Speaker 2: very very very few cases where they seem to be
Speaker 2: tested at all, and the the data, and even the
Speaker 2: results weren't necessarily save I know one case involving the
Speaker 2: nests up there in the Olympic Peninsula, the tests of
Speaker 2: the and the data of that are buried in a
Speaker 2: university email where the person who tested is not at
Speaker 2: that university anymore and has no access to it, so
Speaker 2: again virtually lost. There's no way we can get that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And a lot of these other DNA tests either didn't
Speaker 2: happen or started out as like, oh, my friend told
Speaker 2: me that that, and then I put it out online,
Speaker 2: and then that got carried away and turned into this
Speaker 2: this this idea that it was going on, and a
Speaker 2: very small number of other cases the testing or science
Speaker 2: was either bad or or the results are behind this
Speaker 2: wall and the data is not being shared so it
Speaker 2: can't be checked. So apparently, the gist of it here, Ronnie,
Speaker 2: is that almost no tests have ever been done, and
Speaker 2: in the very small number of cases where it was done,
Speaker 2: the data and results were either blown out of proportion
Speaker 2: into rumors or or they just simply aren't traceable. There's
Speaker 2: no there's almost nothing left to show from these things.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I mean, and now I've just spoken to
Speaker 2: people about these things. That's what I was told. But
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe we should have Darby back on, because
Speaker 2: I think he has very good information on this stuff,
Speaker 2: because he's the guy on the phone tracking these people down.
Speaker 2: You know, when somebody says, oh no, I heard it
Speaker 2: was tested and was human. Okay, well, who'd you hear
Speaker 2: that from? And then he calls that person who'd you
Speaker 2: hear it from? Called that person? Who'd you hear it from?
Speaker 2: Called that person? And eventually it comes back to like,
Speaker 2: oh no, no, like the hair sample, they said it
Speaker 2: was given by a person or some some twist of
Speaker 2: words or something like that, and it turned out not
Speaker 2: even to be true. So I was shocked because I
Speaker 2: was a believer in this mythology as well. And when
Speaker 2: I say mythology, I don't mean something that's that's a
Speaker 2: patent lie. I'm saying the myth. I use mythology in
Speaker 2: the terms of a story that is carried on and
Speaker 2: changed a little bit as time goes on and becomes
Speaker 2: a truth even though it perhaps there's really no truth
Speaker 2: behind it. That's what I mean by a mythology here. Okay,
Speaker 2: but apparently that's the case. Like almost no study or
Speaker 2: sample really has ever been tested, and the very few
Speaker 2: that have the results are missing the sample is missing
Speaker 2: or the data is missing, so there's not much else
Speaker 2: you can do about it. Functionally speaking, at this point,
Speaker 2: we're starting from ground zero. So it's on us, it's
Speaker 2: incumbent upon us now to do a better job than
Speaker 2: the people who came before us. And make sure that
Speaker 2: if you if you give a sample to somebody, even
Speaker 2: North Carolina State University, don't give them every sample. Give
Speaker 2: them a one or two samples. If you have twenty hairs,
Speaker 2: give them one or two. Let's see what they can
Speaker 2: do with it. Because you want to keep those other samples,
Speaker 2: no matter who you give them to. You want to
Speaker 2: keep those other samples for peer of you. Basically give
Speaker 2: it to somebody else to see if they get the
Speaker 2: same results. You know, I think that's an important part here.
Speaker 2: Don't give them everything, give them enough to do what
Speaker 2: they need to do. And then if you get a
Speaker 2: fantastic positive result. Well, let's get to test it somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Let's get a totally independent and someone not involved in
Speaker 2: any of the stuff involved and tested to see what
Speaker 2: they come up with. Because if you did that, like
Speaker 2: three four, five times in all of these various parties
Speaker 2: with no dog in the fight, come up with the
Speaker 2: same result, that is amazing and that's what we're all
Speaker 2: shooting for. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: All right, So she go the next one, Scott Peterson Riots,
Speaker 4: How different would your lives be if you two never
Speaker 4: met each other?
Speaker 2: Well, my life would be much less rich than it
Speaker 2: is now. Me too, Yeah, not monetary, just because Bobo.
Speaker 2: Bobo's like the you know, it's dark all night than
Speaker 2: the sunrises. Having Bobo in my life is like having
Speaker 2: a sunrise every day.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Cliff, You're welcome. You're like a beautiful sunset.
Speaker 2: I'd have more room in my outbuildings.
Speaker 5: It boils down to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically what it boils down to. Sunrise. Screw
Speaker 2: that happens every day, man, I'd have a better more
Speaker 2: room in my outbuilding. So no, Bobo. Bobo is is
Speaker 2: a brother to me, always will be one of my
Speaker 2: best friends forever, and I can't thank existence enough for
Speaker 2: bringing him into my life. Love the man, always will.
Speaker 4: I couldn't say it better myself, Cliff, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I clip makes you look stupid, makesure look smart. It's
Speaker 4: a bigger smarter haight now the smart guys making stupid.
Speaker 4: Having a smart guy say smart stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: Your mom, I know your mom likes having me in
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Finally someone normal, Yeah instead of you know, like rubber
Speaker 2: arm Joe or whatever one of your friends.
Speaker 1: You need to ask Alice whether Cliff falls into the
Speaker 1: category of epic or classic.
Speaker 5: Should say wonderful?
Speaker 2: Did you guys get that Ai thing? I asked, I
Speaker 2: asked Ai. I'm using Bobo, you know, from finding Bigfoots.
Speaker 2: I guess, mindset. What's the difference between classic and epic?
Speaker 2: Did I send you guys that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about that was on a Member's Only
Speaker 1: episode when we discussed trying to parse out the difference
Speaker 1: between Bobo's designation of classic or epic for a given person,
Speaker 1: and then that you had Ai generated rubric a Bobo
Speaker 1: coolness factor rubric. So maybe we'll post that for members too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Another benefit of membership, guys,
Speaker 2: if you want to be a member. Yeah, classic versus
Speaker 2: epic rubric. All right, should we go to the next
Speaker 2: question here?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: This one is from Luis Fierro. Hello, guys, Cliff, Bobo
Speaker 2: and Matt love the podcast. I've been a fan since
Speaker 2: the Finding Bigfoot TV show and then I continued listening
Speaker 2: to you guys with the podcast. Keep up what you
Speaker 2: are doing. I have a question about the audio analyzer
Speaker 2: used with Spectrogram to visualize the sound files sent for analysis.
Speaker 2: What is the program's name or what do you recommend
Speaker 2: to analyze sound recordings? The free one everybody uses is
Speaker 2: Audacity AU d I.
Speaker 7: AU D r C I T y A U D
Speaker 7: A C I T one.
Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, I was trying to write it
Speaker 2: down as I was saying, and I can't say letters
Speaker 2: and write down the other ones at the same time.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Audacity, and there's another one called Sonic Visualizer.
Speaker 2: I don't use those because because of the museum. I
Speaker 2: am a subscriber to the Adobe Creative Suite, because I
Speaker 2: use Premiere Pro for doing the membership videos that we
Speaker 2: do every week every month rather. And then of course
Speaker 2: I use Illustrator for designing the museum displays, and I
Speaker 2: use Photoshop for photo analysis and all. So I use
Speaker 2: the Audition Adobe Addition, which is their sound deal in there.
Speaker 2: I use that one. But as far as free stuff,
Speaker 2: Audacity and Sonic Visualizer I think are the go tos.
Speaker 2: Have you guys heard anything different?
Speaker 5: No, Audacity use is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Audacity because it's free and open source. A lot
Speaker 1: of people use that because it's compatible with Windows or Mac,
Speaker 1: and there's many many resources online for tutorials or how
Speaker 1: to and there's a lot of like YouTube content dedicated
Speaker 1: to teaching in different ways of using it. So your
Speaker 1: best bet is probably Audacity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why pay money? I would use Audacity if I
Speaker 2: didn't didn't have a need through my business to uh
Speaker 2: to have those other programs that I mentioned.
Speaker 1: So, and I would say personally, like if you send
Speaker 1: off files, because people send me files all the time.
Speaker 1: So I would recommend people, if you want to have
Speaker 1: a research or listen to your files, snip just the
Speaker 1: most relevant content, like maybe a minute minute and a
Speaker 1: half at the most, and don't do any filtering. Just
Speaker 1: send the raw files, like you can play around with
Speaker 1: filters for your own edification or try to tease things out.
Speaker 1: But when people send me something that's so heavily processed,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I can't make an evaluation on this
Speaker 1: because they all sound fabricated at that point. So I
Speaker 1: would much rather hear the raw file than something heavily
Speaker 1: filtered and processed where there's no context. You can't hear
Speaker 1: the ambient environment, You can't really get any sort of
Speaker 1: spatial context about how far away something is because it's
Speaker 1: been amplified to oblivion and all the other sounds filtered out.
Speaker 1: It just sounds like a synthesizer. And so I always
Speaker 1: have to go back to people like, hey, man, send
Speaker 1: me the raw file if you would, and over half
Speaker 1: the time I never hear from them again, which I
Speaker 1: think is a little suspicious.
Speaker 2: Oh, and you hit the nail on the head there
Speaker 2: as far as clipping it out too, because nothing drives
Speaker 2: me nuts more than well, a lot of things drive
Speaker 2: me nuts in general, but one of the many things
Speaker 2: that drives Cliff nuts is hey, what do you think
Speaker 2: the sound is? And then I get like a file
Speaker 2: that's thirty five or forty five minutes long. It's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to listen to that. First of all,
Speaker 2: I don't really care that much. I'm not that in
Speaker 2: the audio. I'll listen if you want my opinion on something,
Speaker 2: But thirty five minutes I'm not going to listen to that.
Speaker 2: Who would who would?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: To clip out that you said like a minute? I
Speaker 2: think that's that even that's kind of a lot for
Speaker 2: me personally. Give me the twenty seconds of interest, you know,
Speaker 2: and then I've got twenty or thirty seconds to spare.
Speaker 2: But I don't have forty five minutes to sit down
Speaker 2: and listen to your camping trip to hear a knock
Speaker 2: in the background. Come on, man, you know it's it
Speaker 2: just makes sense and in some ways like its be
Speaker 2: respectful of our time, and in other ways it's like,
Speaker 2: how do I know knocks? In general? You know, knocks
Speaker 2: are really hard to tell because I don't know if
Speaker 2: there is somebody shifting their weight in a chair and
Speaker 2: knock something on the table or something. I kind of
Speaker 2: like the video thing for Knox, you know, I saw,
Speaker 2: I mentioned I saw this great video by this dude
Speaker 2: from Spain who may or may not be a listener.
Speaker 2: He was to the museum. I don't remember his name
Speaker 2: off the top of my head. It's like either Louise
Speaker 2: or something like that, robertro or Louise, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: But anyway, he comes over here, I think every summer
Speaker 2: because he's a fireman from Bombero in Spain. He comes
Speaker 2: over and trips around and does bigfoot stuff. He's had
Speaker 2: a couple of sightings, but he goes amazing places, amazing places.
Speaker 2: But he showed me this awesome video that he took.
Speaker 2: It was out in the Olympics somewhere actually nowhere. It
Speaker 2: was out by Iroley Lake, which is a great spot
Speaker 2: out in the Quanault area. I think it was in
Speaker 2: that general area. Could be wrong, though, but he was.
Speaker 2: He started videoing on his phone and he said that
Speaker 2: this was the last like two minutes of this twenty
Speaker 2: minute encounter that he had. He was knocking and then
Speaker 2: he got knocks back, and over the next fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, the thing was getting closer and closer, and
Speaker 2: he would knock and it would knock back. And this
Speaker 2: is on video, so I saw this. He would knock
Speaker 2: twice and it would knock twice. It was like copying
Speaker 2: him back and forth, and it sounded like it was
Speaker 2: literally just right over the ledge, you know, he whispered
Speaker 2: something in his phone, and then everything shut down.
Speaker 1: For me personally, Like, I'm just not that interested in
Speaker 1: hearing knocks or whistles. And with whistles too, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, don't send them to sasquatch researcher. Send them
Speaker 1: to ornithologists because they can rule out you know, there's
Speaker 1: basically like an innumerable species of birds in North America,
Speaker 1: and so ornithologists can tell you, you know, you tell them
Speaker 1: the general region and the time, and they'll tell you
Speaker 1: what it is if it is a bird, and if not,
Speaker 1: then you have something. But otherwise when people send me knocks,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I'm not that interested because anybody can
Speaker 1: generate a knock. When it comes to whistles, like I
Speaker 1: can't rule out certain bird species, but the big moaning
Speaker 1: howls I'm interested in, or you know, other characteristic vocalizations
Speaker 1: that no other animal can generate. But otherwise the other stuff,
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, I'm not that excited about it.
Speaker 2: What should we hop onto the next question?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, this is from Kendall Harper Hey, guys, great
Speaker 4: and thank you for continuing to persist and bring this
Speaker 4: subject closer to serious academic consideration.
Speaker 5: You're welcome.
Speaker 4: What I'm curious about is the idea that everyone must
Speaker 4: have Bembard you with great spots if one has an area.
Speaker 5: Are you guys generally interested in being made aware of these?
Speaker 4: Is it taboo to try to to try in hound
Speaker 4: researchers such as yourselves.
Speaker 5: To check out an area. Yeah, we uh, we definitely
Speaker 5: get a lot of that, especially when you go.
Speaker 4: I mean you want, like I when feel it's somebody spuss,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I gotta go, and then the reality, like,
Speaker 4: you know, trying to get there and logistics and cost
Speaker 4: and time. It's especially when you go to these conferences.
Speaker 4: When you go to a Bigfoot conference, you get at
Speaker 4: least twenty or thirty people are going like, you.
Speaker 5: Got to come with me. You won't believe it, you know.
Speaker 4: And and it's it gets overwhelming at times because there's
Speaker 4: there's there's literally a thousand.
Speaker 5: Hot spots around the country, you know, local spots.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, easily easily. And you know, I mean we're
Speaker 2: not flying around on Animal Planet's dime anymore. Right, You
Speaker 2: got to you got to remember, if you have a
Speaker 2: spot in Texas, he's you got to come because I
Speaker 2: heard a sound. Well, that's awfully flimsy for me to
Speaker 2: spend six hundred dollars on a plane ride and some
Speaker 2: hotels and stuff to come out because you heard a sound.
Speaker 2: And honestly, eighty seventy eighty percent of all that stuff
Speaker 2: kind of boils down to that you heard a sound
Speaker 2: that you find compelling, and you want me to come
Speaker 2: out to hear it too. And I get that. I
Speaker 2: totally get it, because I want to share with my
Speaker 2: friends and people I like as well. I get that,
Speaker 2: but a sound is not much to go on. And
Speaker 2: then of course I get this stuff like you got
Speaker 2: to come to my grandma's hollow because she heard Knox
Speaker 2: in ninety four. So well, no, no, I don't have
Speaker 2: I don't actually have to go there.
Speaker 4: We get we get eyewitnesses though, like they'll have like
Speaker 4: footprint casts and like you know photos of like good
Speaker 4: breaks on their tree, breaks on their property, and you know,
Speaker 4: have some auto recording, like you know, people like that
Speaker 4: like that they have to sustained over time, and they've
Speaker 4: got multiple witnesses and they got some evidence.
Speaker 5: Those are we get those too, and those are those
Speaker 5: are the ones that like just like god, you just
Speaker 5: want to go so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's time, there's money. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: things involved, you know, getting away from the business for
Speaker 2: me or getting away from Melissa. There's just a lot
Speaker 2: of things involved in that, and and I think for
Speaker 2: the most part people understand. And really for the most part,
Speaker 2: people are saying, I've got a cool spot and I'm
Speaker 2: excited about it, and that's great, that's great. But you
Speaker 2: know what the best thing to do with that, or
Speaker 2: what I try to do is like, oh, that's great,
Speaker 2: you work it. Why do you need me there? I'm
Speaker 2: nobody special. I can hear it too. You can hear it,
Speaker 2: you know, I can hear it. You can hear it. Whatever,
Speaker 2: you go work it and you get the information and
Speaker 2: you get the data out of there. That's the cool part,
Speaker 2: you know. Just I'm interested in people think that for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, that our opinion matters more because we're on TV.
Speaker 2: Trust me, being on TV does not make your opinion matter,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, trust me on that one.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of nonsense out there and a lot
Speaker 2: of people who have a very loud megaphone that probably
Speaker 2: ought not to have any volume on at all. But
Speaker 2: I understand that people are excited about it because they've
Speaker 2: watched this on TV. But honestly, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, you go do it. It's your spot. The
Speaker 2: responsibility is on you. And then of course you do
Speaker 2: get those psychopaths. I say, well, I guess Cliff berwck
Speaker 2: when doesn't care about it Bigfoot because he's not coming
Speaker 2: out to my spot all the way across the country. Well,
Speaker 2: that's a mentally ill thing to say, you know, like
Speaker 2: to blame somebody and presume you know what their motivations
Speaker 2: are because they're not interested in spending one thousand dollars
Speaker 2: on a weekend. You know, that's ridiculous. So you get
Speaker 2: all kinds. Most the vast majority of people are just
Speaker 2: well meaning people who are excited about the thing that
Speaker 2: they observed or experienced and they want to share it,
Speaker 2: and that's totally cool. And then of course there's the
Speaker 2: other side too that gets a lot darker and weirder too,
Speaker 2: So we're subject to all of that. Any Bigfoot researcher
Speaker 2: in the game for a few years or more that
Speaker 2: has somewhat of a name or a reputation in the
Speaker 2: community is going to be subjected to all of these
Speaker 2: and will be some new things too.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely a lot more interested in things that are
Speaker 4: like within a reasonable drive, like something West Coast or
Speaker 4: you know, when I hear of all these hotspas in
Speaker 4: Tennessee and wherever, you know, it's like there's no I
Speaker 4: can just drive there, you know, like in a day
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the reason I chose to live
Speaker 2: where I live, kind of halfway between say northern California
Speaker 2: and like British Columbia. Something happens outstanding, like a film
Speaker 2: or a huge land of footprints or something, I can
Speaker 2: be there that day if I need to. But even then,
Speaker 2: you know, like if there is somebody, if a if
Speaker 2: a civilian filmed one, I would need to see the
Speaker 2: film before I go. If if somebody stumbled upon tracks,
Speaker 2: I would need to see pictures of the tracks to
Speaker 2: convince me before I go. And there a few cases,
Speaker 2: you know, like not last year, but the year before.
Speaker 2: I think it was Tom Shay out in Kentucky was
Speaker 2: telling me that there's a property that has a lot
Speaker 2: of activity and this and that and stuff and I
Speaker 2: wanted to go there, and I found a way to
Speaker 2: go there. I went to Cryptidcon out there in Kentucky,
Speaker 2: a great job that's every November, like the weekend before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: It's going on this year as well. And while I
Speaker 2: was there, I just extended my flight a little bit,
Speaker 2: so I flew out on the organizer's dime and it
Speaker 2: doesn't cost them anymore. They don't care. I flew out
Speaker 2: on the organizer's dime. And I went camping with Tom
Speaker 2: Shaeffer night or two out on this property, and sure
Speaker 2: enough I cast a print. It was great. I got
Speaker 2: a great interview from the property owner. I looked around,
Speaker 2: found a bunch of hairs. They weren't sasquatch hairs, but
Speaker 2: they were horse hairs, and some other things. Found some
Speaker 2: possible footprints, and there was one good enough to actually
Speaker 2: cast that was made just a few days before. And
Speaker 2: I know that because the person living there saw the
Speaker 2: sasquatch that made it, and I asked her where it walked,
Speaker 2: and that's where we found the footprint. So in those cases, yeah,
Speaker 2: it works out really well. But again, I need to
Speaker 2: be convinced even before I drive five hours to go
Speaker 2: check something out because five hours translates into a couple
Speaker 2: hundreds of gas and a lot of time. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I need to be convinced. And just because you told
Speaker 2: me that somebody heard knocks down in the hollow back
Speaker 2: in the eighties doesn't mean I need to go there.
Speaker 2: It means you need to go there often and get
Speaker 2: more stuff. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages. Besides,
Speaker 2: bringing in other researchers could change the whole scene too,
Speaker 2: Like if you have one of these long term witness situations,
Speaker 2: you know, and you bring in a herd of researchers
Speaker 2: or even a handful, the sasquatches may pick up on
Speaker 2: it and may act differently. That's the thing. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: these are you know, these are intelligent. These are intelligent
Speaker 2: critters basically that interact with their environment and they change
Speaker 2: their behaviors based on what they observe. Talk about the
Speaker 2: the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, Yeah, that that kind of applies
Speaker 2: here in a different sort of way. Obviously, they're not
Speaker 2: subatomic particles, and it is quantum mechanics has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with it, actually, But at the same time, if
Speaker 2: an animal knows it's being observed, it's going to change
Speaker 2: its behavior. So if a stranger comes on a property,
Speaker 2: they're probably not going to act like they normally do.
Speaker 2: So there's lots of things to keep in mind and
Speaker 2: situations like this, before you invite anybody out to a location,
Speaker 2: are you really sure you want to do that? Think
Speaker 2: it over? Okay, maybe now we go onto the last
Speaker 2: question here, and this one is from Nathan Johnston. This
Speaker 2: is a question for Cliff. If Finding Bigfoot only lasted
Speaker 2: one season, would you still have opened the NABC. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Probably, well, I don't know because part of
Speaker 2: the reason I opened the NABC is because my teaching
Speaker 2: credential expired while I was on the show. And if
Speaker 2: you don't know, teachers are required to pay out of
Speaker 2: their own pocket to go get Masters units and pay
Speaker 2: for all these courses and stuff to keep their credential updated.
Speaker 2: You have to do so. I think it was once
Speaker 2: every five years or something like that. And so at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, when I was looking at okay,
Speaker 2: I got to rejoin the workforce after finding Bigfoot? What
Speaker 2: am I going to do? I was saying, Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: it's going to cost four to six thousand bucks for
Speaker 2: me to get these these units. And then I got
Speaker 2: to you know, that's going to take a year, so
Speaker 2: I can't work for a year, and maybe there's another option.
Speaker 2: And then of course, you know, David Melinda Bakara from
Speaker 2: the Museum ount in Georgia, or Lauren Coleman and various
Speaker 2: other people were said, well, you have a lot of
Speaker 2: bigfoot stuff, why don't you consider doing a Bigfoot museum?
Speaker 2: I mean, and so I did, so I did, but
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I still had my teaching credential
Speaker 2: when it did go off the air, I suspect I
Speaker 2: probably would have just gone back into the teaching, you know, workforce.
Speaker 2: I don't know, But now that I have the museum,
Speaker 2: I would probably deem that as to be a mistake
Speaker 2: because I'm having a really good time with the museum.
Speaker 2: I'm doing better Bigfoot work now than I ever have,
Speaker 2: including on finding Bigfoot, getting more answers, getting more data,
Speaker 2: get more evidence, and just having more fun. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. I guess I'm glad. I mean, I'm glad
Speaker 2: for a lot of reasons. It went on for ninety seasons,
Speaker 2: because I met my wife, you know, two thirds of
Speaker 2: the way through. But but yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I would have the I don't think I would have
Speaker 2: the NABC. I'd probably go back in the teaching workforce.
Speaker 5: What a waste.
Speaker 2: I know, things happen for a reason. Yeah, So there
Speaker 2: you go, another episode down of Q and A with
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and Beyond. Unless you have a question, Bobo.
Speaker 5: I don't have any questions, all.
Speaker 2: Right, there you go, no answer needed. Why don't you
Speaker 2: take us out of here? Then, Bob's and we'll go.
Speaker 2: We'll go hop over to the members session because I
Speaker 2: know that there's a bunch of questions over there, and
Speaker 2: our members get their and their questions answered all the time.
Speaker 2: But this is gonna be a good one, I think.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love the members, all right, you guys, well, thanks
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