WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.279 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bulbo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:13.160 raid it. 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.199 Tim Stary, Sho and Me. 5 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:25.359 Range on Esday listening watching Lin always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now your host's Cliff Berrickman and James booble Fay. 7 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.920 Just a little background for some of the listeners out there. 8 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:37.840 If you don't know who Barktino is. He's a well 9 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:41.679 respected West Coast researcher. I met him in two thousand 10 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:46.119 and fourth the very first BFRO public expedition up in 11 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.600 the Humboldt Redwoods. He's been one of my best bros 12 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:52.240 ever since. We actually just were out last weekend together. 13 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:54.840 Bart has definitely put his time in in the field. 14 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.799 He has gone through a couple of thermal imagers at 15 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:01.200 this point. I always give him credit as having that 16 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:04.040 thing to his eye more than any other human I've 17 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:04.680 ever seen. 18 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:05.120 In my life. 19 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:07.680 He's probably filmed one of these things. Based on his 20 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:11.879 recreations and analysis at the site. It's very difficult to 21 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.159 find out what else it could be if it wasn't 22 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:14.719 a big foot. 23 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.480 And this is up at the Sierra location, I believe 24 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:18.400 if I remember right. 25 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:22.719 Yeah, Bart actually probably has the best documented follow up 26 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.719 of any big foot footage ever gotten. 27 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:28.120 Yeah, he put the time in, you know, and which 28 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.599 is important because most pieces of footage, I mean, they're 29 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:32.599 not the Patterson Gimlin film. You know, you can't see that. 30 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:35.840 And Bart's is a thermal video at one hundred and 31 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:37.760 five yards. Yeah, yeah, so that's a long ways away, 32 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:40.719 so you can't tell what it is without the follow up, 33 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.760 without the measurements, without the boots on the ground doing 34 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:47.359 the work, there would be nothing to say about that video. 35 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.319 But Bart and his group, you know, put in the 36 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:52.840 time and did the work and came across some interesting 37 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:54.319 discoveries in his own footage. 38 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.280 That night was crazy and remember two, we're seeing it 39 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:01.200 as you guys know for todaybody, but you know you're 40 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:03.439 seeing it as a better resolution live than what it's 41 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:07.120 what it's the inboarding and how it's recording, and it 42 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.360 was just yeah, it was surreal that night. 43 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.479 But I could have done an investigation with that I had. 44 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:13.159 I had a lot of help. 45 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.280 I had a dozen people with the half some law enforcement. 46 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.360 We put what you know, our brother lighterman. 47 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:21.560 Ranger lighterman, but you know, took that over which was perfect. 48 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:24.240 And then you know who did a really great job 49 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:28.319 in presenting it was still pulling. Who's a skeptic, and 50 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.319 that's why I kind of hand picked him and I, 51 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:34.319 you know, just just give him everything I've got. I 52 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:36.960 trust this guy to to just tell the story as it. 53 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.319 Is, and in seventeen minutes, I mean he did. He 54 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:40.159 did a hell of the job. 55 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.159 Bart's got that interesting thermal video that you know isn't 56 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:45.919 the best quality, but the fallow up was the best 57 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.599 ever done on you know, a big foot footage. But 58 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.479 what's even there's more backstory on that is where the 59 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:52.639 footage was taken. 60 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:54.080 Tell them about that part. 61 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:55.840 Yeah, it's crazy. 62 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.919 You know, everyone had heard about the Sierra Hills situation 63 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.879 with Justin Smaya and a friend. 64 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.039 There was actually two individuals. 65 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:06.879 And we actually, I mean I got put on that. 66 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:08.360 That was bo you came with me. That was the 67 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.520 first time up in I think with twenty ten we 68 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:13.280 went to the kill site. We had never you know, 69 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.719 on that side of California, and we were like Jesus, 70 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.840 why we've been missing the boat, Like how do we've 71 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:18.800 not been here before? 72 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:21.599 The whole Sierras site, that whole area. 73 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:24.319 When we hit that in twenty ten with Meldrmachinsky and 74 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:24.919 this thing thing. 75 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:26.400 I mean, that was never on. 76 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:30.120 My radar to research. So I look back now and 77 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:32.159 it blows me away how it all went down. 78 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:36.800 Really, the impetus to that was two weeks prior to. 79 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.280 Going, so this would have been you know, I think 80 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:41.039 it was twenty fifth is when I filmed them, So 81 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:43.919 it was about August tenth, eleventh or whatever. Actually, Bo, 82 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:46.360 you were with me in Monterey, if you remember, and 83 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:48.560 Roe gave us the call. Justin gave us the call. 84 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.240 I'd just written the polygraph for Justin Rose. They just 85 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:53.599 did the. 86 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:57.000 Polygraph, he passed it, and then Justin actually took them 87 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:00.159 to that sierra site and they they didn't really they 88 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:01.879 weren't even there really to be big potting whatever. 89 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:03.479 I think they banged on trees, screamed a. 90 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:05.360 Little bit, did nothing, you know, nothing was going on 91 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.800 and they weren't attempting to do anything, and they were 92 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:10.319 just ended up just staying the night there. I think 93 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:12.400 it was gonna be a day trip. And they had 94 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.599 like Naudio with them. There was a few it's about 95 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:19.600 six people total. Sean was there, Justin, another guy, Carl 96 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:25.959 and of course Roe and anyway, so I heard that 97 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.639 at about three in the morning with half of them asleep, 98 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:31.720 I think more than half. It was just Justin and 99 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.560 someone Carl awake, and Justin described it as it sounded 100 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.439 like Jurassic Park, like the stomping and the trees, and 101 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.120 so they had a significant It woke everybody up. There 102 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:44.560 was a fipe heads that ran away, was all in 103 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.600 the southwest side of camp. It was just totally unexpected. 104 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.160 I didn't even know to believe it. I mean, it's 105 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.160 been remember Bo being with me. It was just shaking 106 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:54.279 our head. So a couple of weeks go by and 107 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:59.360 we had a funeral in our business family and Vycelia. 108 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:00.839 I told my wife if I said. 109 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:02.319 You know, I think I might just you know, go 110 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:04.160 to the funeral and then mosey up to this year. 111 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.920 She's like, bull shit, you are you know? It was funny. 112 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:09.560 We kind of thought about that, but I kind of 113 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.360 went out on that one, thank god, and we went 114 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.560 up and just put a quick trip together. So basically 115 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:17.959 it was a day and a half, I mean thrown together. 116 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:20.120 Rowe and Todd came up. 117 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.600 They had just met, I think they had been together 118 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.240 just you know, I just recently. They're just from both 119 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.480 from SoCal. I had Michael Lorenz there with me and 120 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:31.920 it was a great caster. And then Sean was coming up. 121 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.079 This was gonna be like his second night in the woods. Well, 122 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.600 the first night I got up there at night, it 123 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.120 was just me and Justin and I remember it was 124 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.519 just being a weird night, you know, you just kind 125 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:42.480 of have a little. 126 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.839 Bit of a vibe, if you will. A lot of 127 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.639 deer were around. I remember me and him. 128 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:49.680 We stayed up to like five thirty that night. I 129 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:52.360 was playing guitar, and you know, we ended up crashing 130 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.879 and got up early the next morning. Then the guys 131 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:56.759 just started popping up as they went. I don't even 132 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:02.439 think Sean got up there and like ten pm or so, 133 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:06.120 and we had nothing happened. Of course, I was doing 134 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.199 all the in skinning with the called knocks, everything just indiscriminately, 135 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:10.439 you know, and. 136 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:13.079 Had nothing happened. 137 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:18.920 And I remember that there were multiple deer herds converged 138 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:22.959 throughout the meadow. I would say within a two mile radius, 139 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:23.600 there must. 140 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:25.160 Have been five six herds converged. 141 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.600 I saw probably eighty to ninety deer, the most I've 142 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:30.920 ever seen in any situation. I mean, we were right 143 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:32.399 on top of them, or they were right on top 144 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:34.959 of us, I should say, but they were everywhere. 145 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:39.879 And that's what was different about that night. So anyways, 146 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:42.199 I remember about midnight, I'm starting. 147 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:43.720 To just get ready to conk out, like it's you know, 148 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.879 I barely slept the night before, nothing's going on. 149 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:48.360 I got to be back early in the morning. 150 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.720 I didn't even have my laptop because it was being 151 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:54.279 repaired at the time. So that's how quick and thrown together. 152 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:58.040 This all was so about midnight. I remember Sean actually 153 00:06:58.120 --> 00:06:59.959 a little bit later the midnight, but I'm thinking about it. 154 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.000 Sean came walking up to me and he's still awake. 155 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:04.839 The guys are starting to conk out, and I just 156 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:06.759 finally looked at him and I said, all right, Sean, 157 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:08.839 I said, let's go break your fear of the dark, 158 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:10.360 you know, the second hind in the woods. Let's go 159 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:11.839 for a long you know, go for like a two 160 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:12.680 mile hike together. 161 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:14.160 So we go. 162 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:15.560 We were gonna kind of I was going to have 163 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.480 him do some calls off the eastern vista, and he did. 164 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:20.519 He did him perfectly, and. 165 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.000 We didn't know it at the time, and It's funny 166 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:28.079 looking back in hindsight, the squatches were already had to 167 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.399 already be where they were positioned. I mean, there was 168 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.560 no so they saw they saw this. Why what the 169 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.240 hell are these guys doing right? And it was literally 170 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.639 after he did those calls, we round the band and 171 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.959 looked back towards back down towards camp, and I just 172 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:43.639 I just happened to stop, and I said, you know, 173 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:44.040 I'm just. 174 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.000 Check the vantage point. We were gonna we were gonna 175 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.000 walk the road and go like. 176 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.279 Three miles, you know, and come back. And I look 177 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.839 and I had, you know, my outter recorder going. 178 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:56.879 And I'm looking down and I'm seeing what looks like 179 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.199 five heads, and I'm thinking, okay, I've got. 180 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.759 Two guys asleep on there, my two strongest guys that 181 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.079 have been you know, from experience standpoint in Justin and 182 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:08.000 Michael you know Todd the Olympic project. Now, but I said, 183 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.720 that was like his second night in the woods row, 184 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.959 same thing. So I'm going, wait a minute, and I'm 185 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.839 seeing by peel movement going back and forth, and that's not. 186 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:17.800 Really I don't really. 187 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:20.680 Know the you know, I don't know the topography that 188 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:22.800 well because I'd only been there, you know, a couple 189 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:24.720 of days. You know, I'd walked through it, but you 190 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.720 know which tree gaps are which or whatever. But it 191 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:29.519 looked like it was from the side of camp. And 192 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.960 I'm just filming already, and I'm just whispering to Sean. 193 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.759 I go, Sean, if those aren't the guys, those are squatches, 194 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.879 because I see they're clearly they're bipeds, and so we're 195 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:43.639 just filming. I I said, hold on to my I said, 196 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.639 you hold one of my ways. You breathe when I breathe, 197 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:49.159 I need you, like and you know he was. He 198 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.399 was scared because imagine his shues. This guy is a 199 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:54.600 you know, he's got a big bigfoot blog. 200 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:56.799 He's not an outdoors guy. That's the second night in 201 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:57.159 the woods. 202 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.639 He they couldn't even believe something like this could could happen. 203 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:01.720 But he's pulling on of my ways, shaking at first, 204 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:04.679 you know, and he can't see what I'm seeing. I'm 205 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:07.679 just describing to him what I'm seeing. And anyway, so 206 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.639 these things they're walking back and forth. 207 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:11.879 I made the decision. 208 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:14.240 Pretty quickly, Like, you know, I've got a bunch of 209 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:16.399 like empty footages where I'm trying to go right, trying 210 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.440 to go left, trying to see them in any other gap. 211 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.000 It was the only window I had them in, and remarkably, 212 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:25.039 they would disappear like sometimes two three minutes at a time. 213 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:26.279 So you didn't know is that it? 214 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.639 I mean, is that so there's still For a little bit, 215 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:31.240 there was a question in my mind it could it 216 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:32.960 be the guys, you know, could it be where I'm 217 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:34.320 I know them, like more than. 218 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:35.120 One hundred yards away. 219 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.919 But then as I start seeing them walk back and forth, 220 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:40.159 I start watching the behavior through the gap, and I'm like, 221 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:44.639 oh shit, oh shit, this is and it just and psychologically, 222 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:46.159 you know, I was ready, and I knew. I knew 223 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:48.480 the team I had. I knew with the personnel, the 224 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.039 lack of equipment, everything else, what the call was. 225 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:52.879 I run towards those things. 226 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.639 I'm flushing them out like they're gone. You know, They're 227 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:57.440 not not flushing them out for us to see. I'm 228 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:01.639 flushing them away. Plus not mentioned how the shaky footage 229 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:06.360 on that and flipping on a light. You know, I 230 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:09.039 made that decision right away, and I would do it again. 231 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.679 Get as much footage as possible and answer all the 232 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.600 questions later, and I'm glad I did, because we got 233 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.679 some good shots stepping through the gap. I remember at 234 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.320 one point we walked back with Sean actually because I 235 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:21.159 had I didn't have the lithiums in. 236 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:21.759 That unit yet. 237 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:23.279 We didn't know we can use those yet. So I 238 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:27.279 had batteries dying, like within two three hours, and I 239 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.559 had two sets on me, and so we wore those out. 240 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.960 I had to go back to camp. Could not get them. 241 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:33.480 In any other window in the trees. 242 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:35.639 And to be fair, I go back to camp. 243 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:37.600 You hear the audio, you know, talking with the guys, 244 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.320 and I'm just like, did you And they were seeing 245 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.600 dark silhouettes filled the tree gaps, you know, half asleep, 246 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.720 Row and Todd and so they were just mesmerized. They 247 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.120 couldn't believe it. They didn't hear anything, but they wet. 248 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.240 They were seeing things and looking up. So when I'm 249 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:53.840 down there in the camp, I'm kind of trying to 250 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.240 get them, you know, nonchalant, right, you know, kind of 251 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.519 whisper into them, and I'm kind of looking up. And 252 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:02.480 to be fair, looking back now, I never would have 253 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:04.200 thought they were as close as they were. 254 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:05.440 I didn't know until we did the. 255 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:08.320 Investigation so I think I was looking past them the 256 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:11.240 whole time, but I could not see them from the 257 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.759 bottom and remarkably, so we loaded back up on batteries. 258 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:17.320 I must have been in a camp twenty five thirty minutes, 259 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.840 like a long time, and. 260 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:23.000 Sean said said, let's go back. We will try to reposition. 261 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.240 You never know, they'll come back. Maybe they're still there, 262 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.000 we don't know. So we got back in. 263 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.759 Position and sure enough, there they are. And one of 264 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:34.879 the coolest things was remarkable. I'll never forget because what 265 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:37.279 it looked like was seeing through the therm versus you know, 266 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.320 the onboarding recording. There was like a flash of light 267 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.559 and it looked and I just remember telling Sean one 268 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.399 of them did something because I could. 269 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:47.919 I didn't know what to say. And it turned out 270 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.000 that that was a rock that. 271 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:50.799 Was thrown that we didn't know until we had gone 272 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:53.240 back and down the investigation of the rock that ricochets 273 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:55.279 and bounces off the wood, so the tree, that's the 274 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.320 only thing they heard. So we got some more like, 275 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.480 you know, really cool stuff, just unfortunately from a distance 276 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.039 and the quality is not great. 277 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:08.279 It's three twenty two forty. So eventually, eventually they were gone. 278 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:10.320 And I didn't want to add there was a seven 279 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:13.120 footer that was there that was stationary, a seven. 280 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:16.320 Foot keyt object that was there twenty. 281 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.159 Feet above we went back. Of course we knew all 282 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:21.440 this from doing the investigation, but that subject was there 283 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:23.440 most of the time while there was at least two 284 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:26.120 others that were six three sixty four moving through the gap. 285 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:31.159 It was insane, uh And it makes you wonder, you know, 286 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.919 hearing back from the guys. I didn't know this, but 287 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:37.200 while I was up there filming the squatches, three deer 288 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.080 Mealy Deer's had come and just loaded in camp and 289 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:42.519 basically just sat next to the guys like sure, sign 290 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:44.639 of predators, you know, around and then you wonder what 291 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:45.360 the rocks, you know. 292 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:46.360 There's a lot of speculation. 293 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.279 But anyways, I finally called it. 294 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:51.840 It was about three thirty in. 295 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:53.919 The morning, and I mean we just did nothing. 296 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:55.440 Left they had they've been I had. 297 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.320 Seen them for like forty five minutes or so, and 298 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.240 then I made the call. I told everyone, guys for 299 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.960 ten we're going to sleep. 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See website for full details, 355 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.679 restrictions and important safety information. 356 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.240 And I remember we drove back and the hardest part 357 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:47.519 was not being able. 358 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.600 To review the footage. And it felt so. 359 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.159 Until I got back tomorrow, six hour six and a 360 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.559 half hour drive by the time you do your stops, 361 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:59.039 and that was so difficult because I felt so naked, 362 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.200 because that feel like everything's got to be just investigated 363 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:03.360 properly due diligence. 364 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.360 I just had nothing with me, and that's when we 365 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:05.639 had to. 366 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:07.039 Once I got. 367 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.720 Back saw the footage, I sent it to Kirk Brandenburg 368 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:10.799 Burst He was the first. 369 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.399 One to review it, and then I did with them, 370 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:15.399 and then we went back. Three weeks later. I put 371 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:16.120 a team together. 372 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.919 I was going back with the Bumping Lake where you know, 373 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.519 I saw mine O seven expedition and Robert Leiderman and 374 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:26.000 I we look forward to that trip every year, going 375 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.639 hitting the Walla River, all these wonderful places, or again 376 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.279 going back and forth the road trip and we had 377 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:33.799 to cancel it and I called everyone back to the side, 378 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:35.440 hopefully to get more footage, but mainly we. 379 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:40.440 Had to do an investigation. So and that investigation lasted I. 380 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:43.720 Believe about ten days, and I had about a dozen guys, 381 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:45.720 give or take two or three a day, about half 382 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:46.639 of law enforcement. 383 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:50.720 So yeah, Lighterman took the lead on that and passed 384 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:51.440 it right to him. 385 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.879 He's got a vested interest because just like you guys, 386 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:55.000 we're all kind of tied at the. 387 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:55.919 Hip through our history. 388 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.080 And if he was him to want to know what 389 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:00.000 the truth is, and I knew he'd get down to it, 390 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.279 he would test it to death. And that's exactly what 391 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.240 we did, you know, and try to set an example 392 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.440 for the field moving forward, because as let's be honest, 393 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.400 you guys know, the footage is a C C minus 394 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.839 in quality distant thermal have People don't really understand what 395 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:15.559 they're looking at it. When you put it all in 396 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:19.079 the proper context with the investigation, you go, oh, Okay, 397 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.440 they're six and a half and seven feet tall, and 398 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.519 it's we're at seventy one hundred feet and they're naked, 399 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.680 you know, and they're not really moving like people, you know. 400 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:31.559 So yeah, Field pulling again. He was instrumental investigation. As 401 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.079