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Speaker 1: And now your host's Cliff Berrickman and James booble Fay.
Speaker 5: Just a little background for some of the listeners out there.
Speaker 5: If you don't know who Barktino is. He's a well
Speaker 5: respected West Coast researcher. I met him in two thousand
Speaker 5: and fourth the very first BFRO public expedition up in
Speaker 5: the Humboldt Redwoods. He's been one of my best bros
Speaker 5: ever since. We actually just were out last weekend together.
Speaker 2: Bart has definitely put his time in in the field.
Speaker 2: He has gone through a couple of thermal imagers at
Speaker 2: this point. I always give him credit as having that
Speaker 2: thing to his eye more than any other human I've
Speaker 2: ever seen.
Speaker 4: In my life.
Speaker 2: He's probably filmed one of these things. Based on his
Speaker 2: recreations and analysis at the site. It's very difficult to
Speaker 2: find out what else it could be if it wasn't
Speaker 2: a big foot.
Speaker 4: And this is up at the Sierra location, I believe
Speaker 4: if I remember right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bart actually probably has the best documented follow up
Speaker 5: of any big foot footage ever gotten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he put the time in, you know, and which
Speaker 2: is important because most pieces of footage, I mean, they're
Speaker 2: not the Patterson Gimlin film. You know, you can't see that.
Speaker 2: And Bart's is a thermal video at one hundred and
Speaker 2: five yards. Yeah, yeah, so that's a long ways away,
Speaker 2: so you can't tell what it is without the follow up,
Speaker 2: without the measurements, without the boots on the ground doing
Speaker 2: the work, there would be nothing to say about that video.
Speaker 2: But Bart and his group, you know, put in the
Speaker 2: time and did the work and came across some interesting
Speaker 2: discoveries in his own footage.
Speaker 1: That night was crazy and remember two, we're seeing it
Speaker 1: as you guys know for todaybody, but you know you're
Speaker 1: seeing it as a better resolution live than what it's
Speaker 1: what it's the inboarding and how it's recording, and it
Speaker 1: was just yeah, it was surreal that night.
Speaker 3: But I could have done an investigation with that I had.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of help.
Speaker 1: I had a dozen people with the half some law enforcement.
Speaker 3: We put what you know, our brother lighterman.
Speaker 1: Ranger lighterman, but you know, took that over which was perfect.
Speaker 1: And then you know who did a really great job
Speaker 1: in presenting it was still pulling. Who's a skeptic, and
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of hand picked him and I,
Speaker 1: you know, just just give him everything I've got. I
Speaker 1: trust this guy to to just tell the story as it.
Speaker 3: Is, and in seventeen minutes, I mean he did. He
Speaker 3: did a hell of the job.
Speaker 5: Bart's got that interesting thermal video that you know isn't
Speaker 5: the best quality, but the fallow up was the best
Speaker 5: ever done on you know, a big foot footage. But
Speaker 5: what's even there's more backstory on that is where the
Speaker 5: footage was taken.
Speaker 6: Tell them about that part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone had heard about the Sierra Hills situation
Speaker 1: with Justin Smaya and a friend.
Speaker 3: There was actually two individuals.
Speaker 1: And we actually, I mean I got put on that.
Speaker 1: That was bo you came with me. That was the
Speaker 1: first time up in I think with twenty ten we
Speaker 1: went to the kill site. We had never you know,
Speaker 1: on that side of California, and we were like Jesus,
Speaker 1: why we've been missing the boat, Like how do we've
Speaker 1: not been here before?
Speaker 7: The whole Sierras site, that whole area.
Speaker 1: When we hit that in twenty ten with Meldrmachinsky and
Speaker 1: this thing thing.
Speaker 7: I mean, that was never on.
Speaker 1: My radar to research. So I look back now and
Speaker 1: it blows me away how it all went down.
Speaker 7: Really, the impetus to that was two weeks prior to.
Speaker 1: Going, so this would have been you know, I think
Speaker 1: it was twenty fifth is when I filmed them, So
Speaker 1: it was about August tenth, eleventh or whatever. Actually, Bo,
Speaker 1: you were with me in Monterey, if you remember, and
Speaker 1: Roe gave us the call. Justin gave us the call.
Speaker 7: I'd just written the polygraph for Justin Rose. They just
Speaker 7: did the.
Speaker 1: Polygraph, he passed it, and then Justin actually took them
Speaker 1: to that sierra site and they they didn't really they
Speaker 1: weren't even there really to be big potting whatever.
Speaker 7: I think they banged on trees, screamed a.
Speaker 1: Little bit, did nothing, you know, nothing was going on
Speaker 1: and they weren't attempting to do anything, and they were
Speaker 1: just ended up just staying the night there. I think
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a day trip. And they had
Speaker 1: like Naudio with them. There was a few it's about
Speaker 1: six people total. Sean was there, Justin, another guy, Carl
Speaker 1: and of course Roe and anyway, so I heard that
Speaker 1: at about three in the morning with half of them asleep,
Speaker 1: I think more than half. It was just Justin and
Speaker 1: someone Carl awake, and Justin described it as it sounded
Speaker 1: like Jurassic Park, like the stomping and the trees, and
Speaker 1: so they had a significant It woke everybody up. There
Speaker 1: was a fipe heads that ran away, was all in
Speaker 1: the southwest side of camp. It was just totally unexpected.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know to believe it. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: been remember Bo being with me. It was just shaking
Speaker 1: our head. So a couple of weeks go by and
Speaker 1: we had a funeral in our business family and Vycelia.
Speaker 7: I told my wife if I said.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I might just you know, go
Speaker 1: to the funeral and then mosey up to this year.
Speaker 7: She's like, bull shit, you are you know? It was funny.
Speaker 1: We kind of thought about that, but I kind of
Speaker 1: went out on that one, thank god, and we went
Speaker 1: up and just put a quick trip together. So basically
Speaker 1: it was a day and a half, I mean thrown together.
Speaker 7: Rowe and Todd came up.
Speaker 1: They had just met, I think they had been together
Speaker 1: just you know, I just recently. They're just from both
Speaker 1: from SoCal. I had Michael Lorenz there with me and
Speaker 1: it was a great caster. And then Sean was coming up.
Speaker 1: This was gonna be like his second night in the woods. Well,
Speaker 1: the first night I got up there at night, it
Speaker 1: was just me and Justin and I remember it was
Speaker 1: just being a weird night, you know, you just kind
Speaker 1: of have a little.
Speaker 7: Bit of a vibe, if you will. A lot of
Speaker 7: deer were around. I remember me and him.
Speaker 1: We stayed up to like five thirty that night. I
Speaker 1: was playing guitar, and you know, we ended up crashing
Speaker 1: and got up early the next morning. Then the guys
Speaker 1: just started popping up as they went. I don't even
Speaker 1: think Sean got up there and like ten pm or so,
Speaker 1: and we had nothing happened. Of course, I was doing
Speaker 1: all the in skinning with the called knocks, everything just indiscriminately,
Speaker 1: you know, and.
Speaker 7: Had nothing happened.
Speaker 1: And I remember that there were multiple deer herds converged
Speaker 1: throughout the meadow. I would say within a two mile radius,
Speaker 1: there must.
Speaker 7: Have been five six herds converged.
Speaker 1: I saw probably eighty to ninety deer, the most I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in any situation. I mean, we were right
Speaker 1: on top of them, or they were right on top
Speaker 1: of us, I should say, but they were everywhere.
Speaker 7: And that's what was different about that night. So anyways,
Speaker 7: I remember about midnight, I'm starting.
Speaker 1: To just get ready to conk out, like it's you know,
Speaker 1: I barely slept the night before, nothing's going on.
Speaker 7: I got to be back early in the morning.
Speaker 1: I didn't even have my laptop because it was being
Speaker 1: repaired at the time. So that's how quick and thrown together.
Speaker 1: This all was so about midnight. I remember Sean actually
Speaker 1: a little bit later the midnight, but I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Sean came walking up to me and he's still awake.
Speaker 1: The guys are starting to conk out, and I just
Speaker 1: finally looked at him and I said, all right, Sean,
Speaker 1: I said, let's go break your fear of the dark,
Speaker 1: you know, the second hind in the woods. Let's go
Speaker 1: for a long you know, go for like a two
Speaker 1: mile hike together.
Speaker 3: So we go.
Speaker 1: We were gonna kind of I was going to have
Speaker 1: him do some calls off the eastern vista, and he did.
Speaker 7: He did him perfectly, and.
Speaker 1: We didn't know it at the time, and It's funny
Speaker 1: looking back in hindsight, the squatches were already had to
Speaker 1: already be where they were positioned. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: no so they saw they saw this. Why what the
Speaker 1: hell are these guys doing right? And it was literally
Speaker 1: after he did those calls, we round the band and
Speaker 1: looked back towards back down towards camp, and I just
Speaker 1: I just happened to stop, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just.
Speaker 7: Check the vantage point. We were gonna we were gonna
Speaker 7: walk the road and go like.
Speaker 1: Three miles, you know, and come back. And I look
Speaker 1: and I had, you know, my outter recorder going.
Speaker 7: And I'm looking down and I'm seeing what looks like
Speaker 7: five heads, and I'm thinking, okay, I've got.
Speaker 1: Two guys asleep on there, my two strongest guys that
Speaker 1: have been you know, from experience standpoint in Justin and
Speaker 1: Michael you know Todd the Olympic project. Now, but I said,
Speaker 1: that was like his second night in the woods row,
Speaker 1: same thing. So I'm going, wait a minute, and I'm
Speaker 1: seeing by peel movement going back and forth, and that's not.
Speaker 7: Really I don't really.
Speaker 1: Know the you know, I don't know the topography that
Speaker 1: well because I'd only been there, you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of days. You know, I'd walked through it, but you
Speaker 1: know which tree gaps are which or whatever. But it
Speaker 1: looked like it was from the side of camp. And
Speaker 1: I'm just filming already, and I'm just whispering to Sean.
Speaker 1: I go, Sean, if those aren't the guys, those are squatches,
Speaker 1: because I see they're clearly they're bipeds, and so we're
Speaker 1: just filming. I I said, hold on to my I said,
Speaker 1: you hold one of my ways. You breathe when I breathe,
Speaker 1: I need you, like and you know he was. He
Speaker 1: was scared because imagine his shues. This guy is a
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a big bigfoot blog.
Speaker 7: He's not an outdoors guy. That's the second night in
Speaker 7: the woods.
Speaker 1: He they couldn't even believe something like this could could happen.
Speaker 1: But he's pulling on of my ways, shaking at first,
Speaker 1: you know, and he can't see what I'm seeing. I'm
Speaker 1: just describing to him what I'm seeing. And anyway, so
Speaker 1: these things they're walking back and forth.
Speaker 7: I made the decision.
Speaker 1: Pretty quickly, Like, you know, I've got a bunch of
Speaker 1: like empty footages where I'm trying to go right, trying
Speaker 1: to go left, trying to see them in any other gap.
Speaker 1: It was the only window I had them in, and remarkably,
Speaker 1: they would disappear like sometimes two three minutes at a time.
Speaker 7: So you didn't know is that it?
Speaker 1: I mean, is that so there's still For a little bit,
Speaker 1: there was a question in my mind it could it
Speaker 1: be the guys, you know, could it be where I'm
Speaker 1: I know them, like more than.
Speaker 7: One hundred yards away.
Speaker 1: But then as I start seeing them walk back and forth,
Speaker 1: I start watching the behavior through the gap, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, oh shit, this is and it just and psychologically,
Speaker 1: you know, I was ready, and I knew. I knew
Speaker 1: the team I had. I knew with the personnel, the
Speaker 1: lack of equipment, everything else, what the call was.
Speaker 7: I run towards those things.
Speaker 1: I'm flushing them out like they're gone. You know, They're
Speaker 1: not not flushing them out for us to see. I'm
Speaker 1: flushing them away. Plus not mentioned how the shaky footage
Speaker 1: on that and flipping on a light. You know, I
Speaker 1: made that decision right away, and I would do it again.
Speaker 1: Get as much footage as possible and answer all the
Speaker 1: questions later, and I'm glad I did, because we got
Speaker 1: some good shots stepping through the gap. I remember at
Speaker 1: one point we walked back with Sean actually because I
Speaker 1: had I didn't have the lithiums in.
Speaker 7: That unit yet.
Speaker 1: We didn't know we can use those yet. So I
Speaker 1: had batteries dying, like within two three hours, and I
Speaker 1: had two sets on me, and so we wore those out.
Speaker 1: I had to go back to camp. Could not get them.
Speaker 7: In any other window in the trees.
Speaker 3: And to be fair, I go back to camp.
Speaker 1: You hear the audio, you know, talking with the guys,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, did you And they were seeing
Speaker 1: dark silhouettes filled the tree gaps, you know, half asleep,
Speaker 1: Row and Todd and so they were just mesmerized. They
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. They didn't hear anything, but they wet.
Speaker 1: They were seeing things and looking up. So when I'm
Speaker 1: down there in the camp, I'm kind of trying to
Speaker 1: get them, you know, nonchalant, right, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: whisper into them, and I'm kind of looking up. And
Speaker 1: to be fair, looking back now, I never would have
Speaker 1: thought they were as close as they were.
Speaker 7: I didn't know until we did the.
Speaker 1: Investigation so I think I was looking past them the
Speaker 1: whole time, but I could not see them from the
Speaker 1: bottom and remarkably, so we loaded back up on batteries.
Speaker 1: I must have been in a camp twenty five thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: like a long time, and.
Speaker 7: Sean said said, let's go back. We will try to reposition.
Speaker 7: You never know, they'll come back. Maybe they're still there,
Speaker 7: we don't know. So we got back in.
Speaker 1: Position and sure enough, there they are. And one of
Speaker 1: the coolest things was remarkable. I'll never forget because what
Speaker 1: it looked like was seeing through the therm versus you know,
Speaker 1: the onboarding recording. There was like a flash of light
Speaker 1: and it looked and I just remember telling Sean one
Speaker 1: of them did something because I could.
Speaker 7: I didn't know what to say. And it turned out
Speaker 7: that that was a rock that.
Speaker 1: Was thrown that we didn't know until we had gone
Speaker 1: back and down the investigation of the rock that ricochets
Speaker 1: and bounces off the wood, so the tree, that's the
Speaker 1: only thing they heard. So we got some more like,
Speaker 1: you know, really cool stuff, just unfortunately from a distance
Speaker 1: and the quality is not great.
Speaker 7: It's three twenty two forty. So eventually, eventually they were gone.
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to add there was a seven
Speaker 1: footer that was there that was stationary, a seven.
Speaker 7: Foot keyt object that was there twenty.
Speaker 1: Feet above we went back. Of course we knew all
Speaker 1: this from doing the investigation, but that subject was there
Speaker 1: most of the time while there was at least two
Speaker 1: others that were six three sixty four moving through the gap.
Speaker 1: It was insane, uh And it makes you wonder, you know,
Speaker 1: hearing back from the guys. I didn't know this, but
Speaker 1: while I was up there filming the squatches, three deer
Speaker 1: Mealy Deer's had come and just loaded in camp and
Speaker 1: basically just sat next to the guys like sure, sign
Speaker 1: of predators, you know, around and then you wonder what
Speaker 1: the rocks, you know.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of speculation.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I finally called it.
Speaker 7: It was about three thirty in.
Speaker 1: The morning, and I mean we just did nothing.
Speaker 3: Left they had they've been I had.
Speaker 1: Seen them for like forty five minutes or so, and
Speaker 1: then I made the call. I told everyone, guys for
Speaker 1: ten we're going to sleep. And I really thought in
Speaker 1: the end I was going to catch three or four
Speaker 1: five heads descending to the side of that hillside From
Speaker 1: my vehicle and.
Speaker 7: It just never happened.
Speaker 1: We found out later doing the investigation they'd already accident.
Speaker 7: Even see one of them exit north, it looks like
Speaker 7: this was like a bipedal person.
Speaker 1: Is walking north behind Todd and Rod gone quietly through
Speaker 1: the grass.
Speaker 7: And I woke up.
Speaker 1: I had the thermal wrapped around my neck.
Speaker 7: I slept two hours.
Speaker 1: I remember justin you know, he had slept through the
Speaker 1: whole thing, but kind of knew kind of what was
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 7: He said, yeah, you know, he was like, what do
Speaker 7: you think?
Speaker 1: Say I, guys, we're bullshitting and you know, brought you
Speaker 1: here and now Squatcha showed up. You know, he just
Speaker 1: wasn't really like surprised, but he was, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: excited for me.
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Speaker 1: And I remember we drove back and the hardest part
Speaker 1: was not being able.
Speaker 7: To review the footage. And it felt so.
Speaker 1: Until I got back tomorrow, six hour six and a
Speaker 1: half hour drive by the time you do your stops,
Speaker 1: and that was so difficult because I felt so naked,
Speaker 1: because that feel like everything's got to be just investigated
Speaker 1: properly due diligence.
Speaker 7: I just had nothing with me, and that's when we
Speaker 7: had to.
Speaker 3: Once I got.
Speaker 1: Back saw the footage, I sent it to Kirk Brandenburg
Speaker 1: Burst He was the first.
Speaker 7: One to review it, and then I did with them,
Speaker 7: and then we went back. Three weeks later. I put
Speaker 7: a team together.
Speaker 1: I was going back with the Bumping Lake where you know,
Speaker 1: I saw mine O seven expedition and Robert Leiderman and
Speaker 1: I we look forward to that trip every year, going
Speaker 1: hitting the Walla River, all these wonderful places, or again
Speaker 1: going back and forth the road trip and we had
Speaker 1: to cancel it and I called everyone back to the side,
Speaker 1: hopefully to get more footage, but mainly we.
Speaker 7: Had to do an investigation. So and that investigation lasted I.
Speaker 1: Believe about ten days, and I had about a dozen guys,
Speaker 1: give or take two or three a day, about half
Speaker 1: of law enforcement.
Speaker 7: So yeah, Lighterman took the lead on that and passed
Speaker 7: it right to him.
Speaker 1: He's got a vested interest because just like you guys,
Speaker 1: we're all kind of tied at the.
Speaker 3: Hip through our history.
Speaker 1: And if he was him to want to know what
Speaker 1: the truth is, and I knew he'd get down to it,
Speaker 1: he would test it to death. And that's exactly what
Speaker 1: we did, you know, and try to set an example
Speaker 1: for the field moving forward, because as let's be honest,
Speaker 1: you guys know, the footage is a C C minus
Speaker 1: in quality distant thermal have People don't really understand what
Speaker 1: they're looking at it. When you put it all in
Speaker 1: the proper context with the investigation, you go, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're six and a half and seven feet tall, and
Speaker 1: it's we're at seventy one hundred feet and they're naked,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're not really moving like people, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Field pulling again. He was instrumental investigation. As
Speaker 1: you know, he put together a seventeen minute documentary. I wanted,
Speaker 1: who's the best guy that does that?
Speaker 7: And he's a skeptic. I had nothing to hide, so
Speaker 7: I just came him ever in their.
Speaker 1: Ass and you know, the investigation, I think.
Speaker 7: I think backs up what they are. I fully believe
Speaker 7: that those were sasquatches because the.
Speaker 1: Alternative would have to be three unknown subjects on the
Speaker 1: highest end of the human high scale at seventy one
Speaker 1: hundred feet fifty eight percent waxing moon loading between one
Speaker 1: thirty and three in the morning at our campsite, you know,
Speaker 1: and no.
Speaker 7: Way of getting up there.
Speaker 1: So it's, uh, you know, that's really the only.
Speaker 7: Alternative we have here.
Speaker 1: So there wasn't he no, No Lighterman came for the investigation.
Speaker 7: Because Lighterman and I were.
Speaker 1: Scheduled to go to I had an expedition backup bumped
Speaker 1: where I had my sighting in was seven and we
Speaker 1: had to cancel that and because this happened, and then
Speaker 1: get you know, I had to get a team over
Speaker 1: with me there to do the whole investigation.
Speaker 5: And when I say lighterman, that's ranger Robert let him
Speaker 5: with the California State Parks. He's actual law enforcement. He's
Speaker 5: got investigation skills.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been a primary partners you guys know, with
Speaker 1: you too. I mean he's been He's just an incredible asset.
Speaker 1: Taught me a ton and very objective and you know,
Speaker 1: he was the perfect guy to do the.
Speaker 3: Investigation for that.
Speaker 1: He said, as you guys have said, the footage itself,
Speaker 1: it's a C minus footage until it's put into perspective
Speaker 1: and then you see, you know, my guys with their
Speaker 1: clothes on. You know, I used Kip as the bottle.
Speaker 1: Kip Moral is one of my best friends who's six
Speaker 1: called six'. Two and the subjects, were you, know the
Speaker 1: main there's two subjects going back and forth that were
Speaker 1: in the six three six four. Range you, KNOW i
Speaker 1: had a bunch of midgets with me that. NIGHT i
Speaker 1: was the tallest guy at six FOOT i was on the.
Speaker 1: Camera so it was just the whole thing was, crazy totally.
Speaker 1: Unexpected BUT i will say, THIS i, learned like watch
Speaker 1: the vantage. Points where's the vantage points over? Camp the human,
Speaker 1: activity you, know the darkest, area the area where you
Speaker 1: can go in and you can watch and. Listen you,
Speaker 1: know no one would go to better you know how
Speaker 1: many of us are running out there with thermal.
Speaker 6: Images it throws a rock, too, Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah at one, point you know this was so crazy
Speaker 1: about this whole thing IS i had a couple of
Speaker 1: guys in, camp two of them sleeping and two other
Speaker 1: ones that were was Rowing. Todd you Know, todd he's
Speaker 1: he's become a veteran a little bit of the woods,
Speaker 1: now but at that, time it was like his second night.
Speaker 1: Out and you, know the first thing that went through my, mind,
Speaker 1: obviously When i'm looking from my th at this point
Speaker 1: And i'm kill.
Speaker 3: Me is, oh it's one of the.
Speaker 1: Guys AND i even Tell sean in the, Audio i'm,
Speaker 1: like if that's not one of the, guys those are.
Speaker 1: Squatches and you KNOW i knew from watching even more
Speaker 1: BEFORE i even got down to talk to.
Speaker 3: Him but it's all.
Speaker 1: Recorded the Good the good thing IS i had the
Speaker 1: audio ringing on my head the whole. Time you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like you're, there you, know used in Poor,
Speaker 1: sean it was like his second night in the, woods
Speaker 1: and he was holding out my wings the whole, time
Speaker 1: And i'm just telling a whistling off like you're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna kneel with, me breathe with, me but change my,
Speaker 1: battery you know WHAT i. Mean it just we're, together you.
Speaker 1: Know and and then he toughened up as that night went.
Speaker 1: ON i, mean that was the thing lasted like an
Speaker 1: hour and a half AND i had no weather dvantage.
Speaker 1: POINT i tried every which way to get a different,
Speaker 1: window AND i just had that one window from one hundred.
Speaker 3: And five BETWEEN v shaped.
Speaker 1: Trees and then you see in the footage it looks
Speaker 1: like a Dark, uh it just looks like a dark
Speaker 1: like a dark.
Speaker 3: Tree but what it is is it's.
Speaker 1: Nighttime there's no the heat doesn't hit that part of the,
Speaker 1: tree so that's.
Speaker 3: The coldest thing in.
Speaker 1: View so it almost looks like that's the gap when
Speaker 1: you're watching, it but it's. Not that's the back of the.
Speaker 1: Tree you, know a lot of this stuff we didn't
Speaker 1: know until we went back to three weeks later and
Speaker 1: we're able to recreate the whole. THING i wasn't familiar
Speaker 1: enough with the site to know the. DISTANCE i didn't.
Speaker 1: KNOW i, mean for all the, LIGHT i knew those
Speaker 1: things were eight feet. Tall WELL i knew there were five.
Speaker 5: Five, yeah your footage of the CIA's you actually got some,
Speaker 5: documentation but you've got a much better thermal observation of
Speaker 5: The sasquatch several years before.
Speaker 1: That, yeah that was the inspiring one in.
Speaker 3: Bumping Lake, Washington Oh seven in the. Summer as a
Speaker 3: matter of, FACT i go back every year and spearhead
Speaker 3: and expedition with the Whole washington. Crew it's not my
Speaker 3: favorite place to.
Speaker 1: BE i love the people That i'm, with BUT i
Speaker 1: only go back there because of what. Happened and you,
Speaker 1: Know i'd be stupid not. TO i was laughing about
Speaker 1: this because like the first TIME i ever put a
Speaker 1: thermal limited in that bumping And i've done it how
Speaker 1: many hours? Since hundreds of hours SINCE i saw, one
Speaker 1: and THEN i never saw. WHAT i haven't seen one since,
Speaker 1: there you. Know, Yeah, Cliff so if you, remember it,
Speaker 1: WAS i think it was about midnight or, so and
Speaker 1: you were you were kind of rearranging stuff in your.
Speaker 1: Truck everybody was, together you, Know Paul gray's, ton they
Speaker 1: were all playing.
Speaker 7: Guitar AND i asked, YOU i, SAID, i you, know
Speaker 7: we go take the you, know take the therm for a.
Speaker 7: Walk and ACTUALLY i take that.
Speaker 1: Back how that started WAS i actually walked back on
Speaker 1: that small trail pathway with pitch black back. There you
Speaker 1: guys remember that, night AND i felt something just kind
Speaker 1: of a, presence kind of somewhat close to, me AND
Speaker 1: i heard a step branch. Break didn't think a lot of,
Speaker 1: it you, know walked back and that's WHEN i. Tuck he, said,
Speaker 1: hey if you got THE x two, hundred i'll you,
Speaker 1: know poke around with. It AND i mean it wasn't.
Speaker 7: More than, god it was probably thirty.
Speaker 3: Seconds to a.
Speaker 1: Minute THEN i see something bright right down the trail
Speaker 1: from WHERE i came. From, uh probably about nast sixty
Speaker 1: yards at first fifty five the arts and then at
Speaker 1: FIRST i, THOUGHT i remember the girls were. THERE i
Speaker 1: thought it was Either christine Or, tracy and you, know
Speaker 1: one of them was trying to relieve themselves behind the
Speaker 1: behind a tree because you only see ten percent of
Speaker 1: it at. First, SEE i just liked the knees and
Speaker 1: then the head poking, out and then it was doing
Speaker 1: that kind of right and left looking at, me which looked.
Speaker 1: Suspicious but it's still my thoughts are, person you, know
Speaker 1: especially because we were there with quite a few, people
Speaker 1: and until it stepped, out and THEN i could see
Speaker 1: the whole left side all the way, DOWN i mean
Speaker 1: down down to the caps and then you, know basically drop.
Speaker 1: Down SOON i saw it step. OUT i mean you
Speaker 1: it's very. Clear you know that's not a it's not
Speaker 1: a person from that.
Speaker 7: Distance and then God on got.
Speaker 1: On the ground and then not on all, fours but
Speaker 1: on their had like knees, down arms extended and kind
Speaker 1: of just doing this kind of like a head rotation,
Speaker 1: thing like trying to lock in on. Me but it
Speaker 1: looked like it couldn't really lock in on, me but
Speaker 1: it was trying, to which was really.
Speaker 7: Curious and then there was.
Speaker 1: Just a bunch of fast transitioning on the. GROUND i
Speaker 1: saw a, lot BUT i guarantee you there's a LOT i.
Speaker 1: Missed but it actually made at one point like a
Speaker 1: digging type motion with the stomach perpendicular to the. Ground
Speaker 1: it was just a weird kind of thing to see
Speaker 1: at one.
Speaker 7: Point this is ACTUALLY i think in.
Speaker 1: The beginning of, IT i had stamped my fingers trying
Speaker 1: to get your, Attention.
Speaker 7: Cliff you couldn't hear.
Speaker 1: Me you were putting stuff away And i'm stamping my,
Speaker 1: fingers going, colors and every TIME i did, that it
Speaker 1: was just it was unbelievable to see this thing was
Speaker 1: like reacting like almost you, know, frightened like a small,
Speaker 1: dog like you, know just a lot of like just unnerved,
Speaker 1: movements and then it would, pause freeze in between me doing,
Speaker 1: that as if it was scaring.
Speaker 7: It and you got to, remember they were all down, there.
Speaker 1: Right you, know right on my, left just totally, oblivious
Speaker 1: and there's all that sound coming from. There but for some,
Speaker 1: reason you, know it was focused dead on. Me and
Speaker 1: then at some point it had rolled to the side
Speaker 1: and put this hand up and you, know you see
Speaker 1: all fi digits on that splight.
Speaker 7: Hand it was.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable so if you'll get back to. It but it
Speaker 1: took me years later to figure out what it was doing.
Speaker 1: That it made no sense to me because as you guys,
Speaker 1: know the therm picks.
Speaker 7: UP i, are it doesn't give up OFF I r.
Speaker 1: Right so, anyways it actually got back up AND i
Speaker 1: saw it like, push you, know push itself, up got
Speaker 1: back down, again and then just like GOTTA i don't
Speaker 1: even know if it pushed itself up the second THAT
Speaker 1: i only. DID i, mean just, effortless the transitioning on
Speaker 1: the ground using body. Leverage but the last you, know
Speaker 1: the watching it and seeing it's back to Me Calves.
Speaker 1: NORTH i could see everything in the. CLEAR i mean
Speaker 1: it was literally.
Speaker 7: Utopian and you just see the whole profile.
Speaker 1: Of the back you, know it had kind of maybe
Speaker 1: sunk in a little, bit a.
Speaker 7: Little smaller head THAN i would have, thought but it maybe.
Speaker 7: BIGGER i just couldn't tell from my.
Speaker 1: Positioning but the shoulders, massive exactly what we would expect right,
Speaker 1: off you, know no visible neck two thirds of the.
Speaker 7: Way the upper, extremities long.
Speaker 1: Arms big, hands, legs you, know, yeah kind of muscular.
Speaker 3: Whatever that's kind of the.
Speaker 1: Profile but it just looked it was very top.
Speaker 7: Heavy, comparatively you.
Speaker 1: Know And i'll never, forget you, know taking that image
Speaker 1: off my was the hardest thing had to. Do and
Speaker 1: you Remember cliff full well because you recorded it with
Speaker 1: that all the. Time but having to put THOSE xt
Speaker 1: two hundred XP's on a bicycle helmet with the viewers
Speaker 1: and hold the pull the backpack in front of you
Speaker 1: with a marine battery and the proprietary cord and, that you,
Speaker 1: guys it's a. Nightmare AND i actually took the ima
Speaker 1: DRAFT i. Ran that's WHEN i ran back to. YOU
Speaker 1: i JUST i just remember cassing at, You, cliff just you,
Speaker 1: know and you you reacted.
Speaker 7: Immediately it was the Quickest i'd ever. Seen in five,
Speaker 7: minutes you had all that stuff.
Speaker 1: On or, less and we're running back, there AND i
Speaker 1: remember everyone was coming up people the other head lamps,
Speaker 1: on kind of looking down the path.
Speaker 7: And trying to get everybody just. Back you, know it's
Speaker 7: not their. Fault they didn't know what was going, on you.
Speaker 1: Know they show all the commotion And i'm trying to
Speaker 1: explain to, them and in the, meantime you're back, Their,
Speaker 1: cliff and then when you came, back you're shaking your,
Speaker 1: head AND i just kind of, knew and you, KNOW i.
Speaker 7: Did feel like that thing was it was just waving.
Speaker 1: Me, out you, know like what a stealthy son of
Speaker 1: a bitch not give away your. Position i'm not flashing
Speaker 1: a light on, it so TECHNICALLY i shouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to see, it you.
Speaker 7: Know and AS i said, that we pick UP I
Speaker 7: r with our, thermal we don't give it. Off SO
Speaker 7: i think it KNEW i was.
Speaker 1: There it was confused IF i could see it or,
Speaker 1: not and it was just it was just amazing to
Speaker 1: see how this, thing you, know would react under WHAT
Speaker 1: i guess would be stressed for.
Speaker 7: It When Paul grays went back there about what.
Speaker 1: A half hour, LATER i think it, was there were
Speaker 1: that ninety four and a beanie and about six three one,
Speaker 1: seventy you, know AND i see and that was the
Speaker 1: that was like the second realization because THEN i realized
Speaker 1: from that distance the, size you, know it's with the depth,
Speaker 1: perception especially with those, units it wasn't always easy and
Speaker 1: get more, distant and just Seeing paul with all his
Speaker 1: winter clothes on and the feenie and, everything it was,
Speaker 1: just oh my, god because you could, see even with
Speaker 1: THE x two, hundred you could see.
Speaker 7: The hair patches on this.
Speaker 1: Thing AND i found, out you, know years, later going
Speaker 1: back every year of just about it ended up being
Speaker 1: about thirty two yards as close AS i crept up
Speaker 1: to by the TIME i had taken that therm off my.
Speaker 7: Eye so so at least from that, experience you, KNOW
Speaker 7: i know, WHAT i know what we're looking.
Speaker 1: FOR i know what the money shot looks, like and
Speaker 1: it's going to look even better with you, know the
Speaker 1: better technology we have, now so but that really was
Speaker 1: that incident really set up the mindset of HOW i
Speaker 1: researched and going into the sierra looking for the vantage
Speaker 1: point cliff as you like to, say where's the sniper
Speaker 1: going to? Be that's exactly easily the biggest trees in.
Speaker 1: Play these kind of things always stuck with me and
Speaker 1: just hammer the vantage points and pay attention when no
Speaker 1: one else, is you, know comes inherent when you have
Speaker 1: an experience like.
Speaker 7: That so it was life.
Speaker 6: Changing did it move in some ways that no human could?
Speaker 5: Move the way like you, said it looked like it
Speaker 5: was levitating at certain points right the way it hell
Speaker 5: It's torso it.
Speaker 1: Was the way that it shifted, weight like how it looks.
Speaker 1: Structurally the upper, EXTREMITIES i would say it was two
Speaker 1: thirds of the, weight no. Doubt long, arms the shoulders
Speaker 1: were exactly what you know we've seen and know they,
Speaker 1: are you, know just right off the.
Speaker 3: Head the head was more rounder THAN i would have,
Speaker 3: guessed but.
Speaker 1: It could have been sunk in a little bit BECAUSE
Speaker 1: i never saw it face on FROM i saw it
Speaker 1: from the back and then from the left side, completely
Speaker 1: but never never never had ON i, mean the thing just,
Speaker 1: LITERALLY i mean just frozen like a.
Speaker 3: Statue But i'm just looking at. It it's. Glowing and
Speaker 3: that's WHY.
Speaker 1: I always, say you, know with that in The, sierras
Speaker 1: everything That i've, seen as crazy as it, is it.
Speaker 3: Makes sense to. Me we are where we are.
Speaker 1: Between human beings when that's goes, down and the way
Speaker 1: these things move and just how it's the, shy retiring,
Speaker 1: nature but the, MANEUVERABILITY i, mean just the way they.
Speaker 3: MOVE i think you.
Speaker 1: Even said at one Time cliff OR i don't know
Speaker 1: what goes from a witness or, you but about moving
Speaker 1: like a, spider there's.
Speaker 3: Just this Unique it's like you know it when you see.
Speaker 2: It stay tuned for More bigfoot And beyond With cliff
Speaker 2: And bobo will be right back after these.
Speaker 6: Messages how big did you think it?
Speaker 5: Was give us some dimensions and guesstimates on weight and
Speaker 5: all height and all.
Speaker 1: That you KNOW i knew because you know you guys know,
Speaker 1: too like with the depth.
Speaker 3: Perception especially, initially we are still you, KNOW i don't
Speaker 3: want to say. RAW i mean we still use thermals a,
Speaker 3: lot but not like.
Speaker 1: Now you, know we have a little bit ter judge of,
Speaker 1: things But Paul graves was really the that was the,
Speaker 1: model BECAUSE i know he's six three one.
Speaker 3: Seventy you, know he's got all the winter clothing.
Speaker 1: On AND i think the big realization of knowing you,
Speaker 1: KNOW i knew one hundred and ten percent what it,
Speaker 1: was But i'm seeing the realization where it was LIKE
Speaker 1: i started physically feeling it was after seeing him and
Speaker 1: realizing the actual size of the, subject the dimensions of the,
Speaker 1: subject and the like.
Speaker 3: The agileness of the. Subject it was like and And,
Speaker 3: PAUL i mean you can see all's, Clothing.
Speaker 1: BEANIE i mean this was BECAUSE i got as close
Speaker 1: as thirty two, yards you, know going, BACK i think
Speaker 1: it was thirty two thirty three.
Speaker 4: Yards, yeah it was real. Close by, god it's, yeah
Speaker 4: BECAUSE i.
Speaker 1: Was kind of slowly creeping up AND i actually, passed you,
Speaker 1: know that little walkway that was up from where you guys.
Speaker 3: WERE i actually pat like crept up enough to pass,
Speaker 3: that you, know just getting a better, look better, look better.
Speaker 3: Look but, GOD i JUST i do for one more.
Speaker 1: OPPORTUNITY i would say the sun and probably just under
Speaker 1: seven seven foot AND i would, say, wait, wise so
Speaker 1: the weight distribution probably in the neighborhood between not a good,
Speaker 1: way but four fifty to five seventy five with two
Speaker 1: thirds upstairs above above the. Waist it was a it
Speaker 1: was an, impressive, uh impressive.
Speaker 3: Specimen and but, YEAH i would Say tadener six eight
Speaker 3: sixty nine call. It.
Speaker 2: Yeah shortly afterwards that didn't you do a couple of
Speaker 2: recreation drawings of what you?
Speaker 3: Saw?
Speaker 1: Yes and that was that was your, idea Mister. Berrickman we, had,
Speaker 1: uh we had a great trip. BACK i don't you.
Speaker 1: REMEMBER i mean it was one of the Great i'll
Speaker 1: never forget that trip of our, life like driving back
Speaker 1: you AND i back In, Washington oregon and dropped me
Speaker 1: off With shed and chafter with my, Wife Kim stamley's
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the. Time So i'll never forget. Too you
Speaker 1: looked over you go you know what you Should you told,
Speaker 1: me you, go you should draw, it like you should just,
Speaker 1: draw you, know just get just the different positions and
Speaker 1: the different like, yeah you, know you're. Right and so
Speaker 1: WHAT i did is just kind OF i got a
Speaker 1: photo of the, area did wide, out so it's like
Speaker 1: a thermal impressionist you and Then i'm in the subject
Speaker 1: just like kind of what it was looking like from my.
Speaker 1: Perspective and THEN i had at one Point canadian. ARTIST
Speaker 1: i Loved Brian. KUNDLE i love his work AND i
Speaker 1: just wanted him to make a commemorative piece, fore you,
Speaker 1: know just for my personal my, house and he made this, big,
Speaker 1: beautiful you know. PORTRAIT i mean it's he pretty much nailed.
Speaker 3: It it's pretty.
Speaker 2: CLOSE i remember two of the. DRAWINGS i remember, too
Speaker 2: of the positions that you put the thing.
Speaker 4: In were there? Ever were there any more or were
Speaker 4: there only?
Speaker 2: Two plus the really nice artistic commemorative, one you know WHAT.
Speaker 1: I did like eight or nine, actually, yeah they're on
Speaker 1: the uh on the a bf ro on THAT i
Speaker 1: put a, MAP i put you, know all the. RECREATIONS
Speaker 1: i mean just you, know as much AS i, could
Speaker 1: and they're all. There but there's a couple of better than.
Speaker 1: OTHERS i gud took a little more time on, it but.
Speaker 3: It gives you the idea of what it looked like
Speaker 3: from my. Perspective you, know you give me a lot
Speaker 3: of good. Suggestions that was one of the.
Speaker 1: BEST i appreciate, that And i'm, Glad, yeah we you
Speaker 1: know did, that and, YEAH i mean it's something that
Speaker 1: loveses me to this day and inspires me because it's,
Speaker 1: LIKE i.
Speaker 3: Know what the money shot looks. LIKE i know it's.
Speaker 3: ATTAINABLE i know we can get, it you.
Speaker 1: Know and it's one of those things too THAT i,
Speaker 1: wish you, Know i've been a lot of big, footers you,
Speaker 1: know like you guys and awesome, people but it's one
Speaker 1: of those things that it's, like.
Speaker 3: It's got to be. Boring it's got to be you
Speaker 3: know in a.
Speaker 1: Way it's you've got to be just tenacious and just
Speaker 1: keep you, know just just keep at.
Speaker 3: It you. Know it's you can't be.
Speaker 1: Reactive IF i would have been reactive in either, INSTANCE
Speaker 1: i don't even know, this you know WHAT i. Mean
Speaker 1: it's like you've got to especially if you have THERMAL i,
Speaker 1: mean you've got to use, it you, know and try
Speaker 1: to separate yourself a little, bit you, know and to your.
Speaker 2: ADVANTAGE i would say as far as thermal imaging and
Speaker 2: all that, stuff you're a good model for most. People
Speaker 2: you have a superpower in your. Hand you have something
Speaker 2: magic in your, hand and you can it can allows
Speaker 2: you to see in the, dark and they're not put
Speaker 2: it up to their eye that that thing should live
Speaker 2: on your. Eyeball it's a big, foot isn't going to
Speaker 2: step out and let itself be, known and then you
Speaker 2: can raise the therm or the camera and then go
Speaker 2: ahead and shoot a picture of it or where it's
Speaker 2: just not going to happen like, that almost almost for.
Speaker 2: Sure but what you're most likely going to see is
Speaker 2: like what you, saw the thing hiding from you off
Speaker 2: in the dark in the, distance and, you're, oh what is?
Speaker 4: THAT i better check this.
Speaker 2: Out you spend a few minutes figuring it, out and
Speaker 2: you got lucky it stepped out for beyond the. Tree
Speaker 2: but that's the. Thing you got to look through these.
Speaker 2: Things they don't do any good in your. Hand if
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 5: Come back with a splitting headache and you're half, blind
Speaker 5: you didn't do it, right.
Speaker 4: Right, right no matter what you're Doingpo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, YEAH i was surprised we didn't get footage that
Speaker 5: night because that was not the end of the squatch
Speaker 5: action that, Night, IMBER i don't take a, Dump like
Speaker 5: about half hour to this all, happened AND i went
Speaker 5: out real close to where that thing, was AND i
Speaker 5: had my head lamp in my hand and shovel in
Speaker 5: a little toilet paper AND i dug my hole And
Speaker 5: i'm squatting. Down i'm just in the middle of a.
Speaker 5: Business the thing starts running at me in the. DARK
Speaker 5: i was so, mad like just LIKE i just, Yelled i'm, like, god,
Speaker 5: Damn i'm trying to take a crap, here and it just.
Speaker 5: Stopped had the weigh at least three hundred and fifty pounds,
Speaker 5: MINIMUM i, mean it Was it wasn't, like it wasn't
Speaker 5: so like an, elephant but it sounded big and it ran.
Speaker 1: Fast AND i didn't hear him around the tent though
Speaker 1: right that.
Speaker 7: Night, yeah well That i'm, LIKE i could hear them
Speaker 7: through the.
Speaker 3: Tent like it was that, well and you hear you,
Speaker 3: steps And i'll never.
Speaker 1: Forget i'll never forget this point where this thing that
Speaker 1: it was started jumping rain and the tent. Flap you,
Speaker 1: know it spilled over with water and it made, like you,
Speaker 1: know we're farting type points, right and it scared the
Speaker 1: one right outside the tent because you just share a
Speaker 1: and step and you, know it just felt like the ground.
Speaker 1: Shut AND i was right there inside the tent just,
Speaker 1: going oh my.
Speaker 5: God, yeah We're me And Jamie jaett were camping in
Speaker 5: his tent next to you with his little baby nine months, Old,
Speaker 5: cooper And Cooper loop was. Crying when he started, crying
Speaker 5: those things came right into the camp and they were
Speaker 5: right outside our, tents and we could hear the. Footfalls
Speaker 5: we actually heard some of the grumbling. Mumbling couldn't make
Speaker 5: any words.
Speaker 3: Out it was just.
Speaker 6: You know that kind of. Stuff, definitely it was like
Speaker 6: you could hear.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah there was two of, them two of them
Speaker 6: more in the.
Speaker 1: Camp that's WHAT i felt like to, YOU i felt
Speaker 1: LIKE i FELT i could hear two of them in the.
Speaker 1: Camp And cliff had the two fifty D he had it.
Speaker 1: Perfectly He cliff had it like. Parallel it was right
Speaker 1: to the, site like right facing down the same pathway
Speaker 1: from WHERE i saw it. Earlier it's just in, that you,
Speaker 1: know at that, time we had limited battery life and
Speaker 1: the thing never, breached you, know just didn't happen to.
Speaker 1: Breach BUT i kept, thinking, oh we got.
Speaker 3: It, okay this is going to justify EVERYTHING i. Saw
Speaker 3: it's in the. Bag you, Know it's, like, no it's.
Speaker 3: Not you, know it ain't that.
Speaker 1: Easy so, yeah what A i many.
Speaker 2: Our situation has changed so much and these years because
Speaker 2: back then it was A i, mean we had thermal,
Speaker 2: imaguers which is cutting hedge, technology but they were our
Speaker 2: chick you, know like like crappy recording situations you couldn't.
Speaker 2: Hand it was a different situation back. Then had we
Speaker 2: what we have, now it would be we would have
Speaker 2: a lot more to show for.
Speaker 5: It, well the first time we got used to THAT
Speaker 5: xp two hundred was When wally came up With MONEYMAKER
Speaker 5: i think two thousand and five and or two thousand and, Six,
Speaker 5: yeah two thousand and, six and they drove up like
Speaker 5: sixteen seventeen hours to a huge storm And matt was
Speaker 5: so tired from driving all the way up he was
Speaker 5: just going to pass. Out and he gave us a
Speaker 5: thermal but he, goes it's too complicated to hook. Up i'm, like,
Speaker 5: well all, right we'll just go the first PLACE i
Speaker 5: wanted to.
Speaker 6: Go, well we stopped in a few. SPOTS i, GO
Speaker 6: i really want to go this one.
Speaker 5: Spot part we go, THERE i look off the bridge
Speaker 5: And i'm, there there's a giant one standing down at
Speaker 5: this boat pull. Out it's a boat launched and polatter
Speaker 5: on The Smith river outside Of crescent city and there
Speaker 5: there's the when the there's a big steelhead run going
Speaker 5: on and the boats pull out there and they clean
Speaker 5: the fish and they just dumped the cats on the
Speaker 5: on the river, bank and that's where this thing was.
Speaker 6: Standing and that was that was that's another lost.
Speaker 5: OPPORTUNITY i, mean with the thermals we have, nowadays we
Speaker 5: would have GREAT i mean that thing was BECAUSE i
Speaker 5: went back and compared to people later, on it was
Speaker 5: about nine foot tall and three and a half feet
Speaker 5: across the shoulders at.
Speaker 6: LEAST i, mean AND i mean you.
Speaker 1: Remember when was that, Hill like nobody business right up
Speaker 1: that hill?
Speaker 5: Gone, well there was a, yeah there was like a
Speaker 5: stairway that's real steep that goes up one.
Speaker 6: Side and there's also if you.
Speaker 5: Go to the other end of the river bar there's
Speaker 5: a real steep place of towboats in it. Out it
Speaker 5: didn't go it didn't go up the walkway or the.
Speaker 5: Driveway it went up the.
Speaker 3: Cliff that's exactly what it.
Speaker 1: Did that's that's why NOW i look back And i'm, like,
Speaker 1: yeah that's.
Speaker 3: Probably that probably was. One, YEAH i mean what else
Speaker 3: could it have? BEEN i mean it was an.
Speaker 1: Upright, YEAH i kind of an upright shape, too because
Speaker 1: it was you, know it was distant enough that you,
Speaker 1: know you can't make out, arms, legs but you can
Speaker 1: see that it's, not you, know a. Quadruped it didn't
Speaker 1: look like, you but you know it.
Speaker 3: Was it looked up, right you, know going and especially
Speaker 3: now we have more experience looking. BACK i mean that
Speaker 3: was we had used the, thermals but that was the first.
Speaker 3: NIGHT i, mean you AND i we were like two
Speaker 3: kids in the candy. STORE i, MEAN i think we got.
Speaker 3: Back we said those things like eight nine hours on the.
Speaker 3: Top it was just, like this is. Heaven this is our.
Speaker 3: Dream now.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for More bigfoot and beyond With cliff And.
Speaker 4: Bogo we'll be right. Back after these, messages.
Speaker 5: People always, say where's the? Footage And i'm, like trust,
Speaker 5: me it's very. Iv we have to say we don't
Speaker 5: have it because we could have had it a few.
Speaker 5: Times and you, know those those opportunities are going to
Speaker 5: rise if not for us and somebody else that has
Speaker 5: the better.
Speaker 6: Equipment, nowadays they.
Speaker 4: Keep show it, up you.
Speaker 1: Know and the.
Speaker 2: Equipment, now if you get one of those Those FLEER tk,
Speaker 2: scouts you know they're not great, resolution but they cost
Speaker 2: five hundred.
Speaker 4: Bucks.
Speaker 2: OH i, mean anybody you know with saving up a little,
Speaker 2: money if you, know being their, expenses of course came
Speaker 2: pick up one of those and bring it to the.
Speaker 2: Woods and that's the key. Man the more technology and
Speaker 2: the more bigfooters hands and we're gonna it's just a
Speaker 2: matter of time at this.
Speaker 1: POINT i just you, know it's funny. TOO i think
Speaker 1: back sometimes AND i think back like our early years
Speaker 1: like four to, seven where we didn't have a lot.
Speaker 1: Happen in those, YEARS i think both had some good stuff,
Speaker 1: happened but it was just those years great yeams. Everyone
Speaker 1: we built up all our friendships and we had some great.
Speaker 1: Times you, know we had not that much. Happened those
Speaker 1: were some of the best.
Speaker 2: Times they set the foundation for the rest of our
Speaker 2: big footing.
Speaker 4: Careers, really oh.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely it's just those.
Speaker 1: YEARS i, mean it's just, yeah they're. PRECIOUS i think
Speaker 1: about it all the, time Went i'm up.
Speaker 5: There one of the first THINGS i had exciting happened
Speaker 5: WHEN i was With bart Was jamie j again and
Speaker 5: when he AND i saw that one up At Bluff.
Speaker 10: Creek oh, yeah, YEAH i think that was seven and
Speaker 10: that WAS i think that was either early summer or
Speaker 10: late SPRING o, seven and we opened the roads To
Speaker 10: bluff at that.
Speaker 1: POINT i think that was, WILDMOS i. Think and we
Speaker 1: were at The shape, Road liderman AND i were dug
Speaker 1: down his ticks and we were.
Speaker 3: Listing no one knew we had no, thermo we had.
Speaker 1: Nothing AND i THINK i was playing a baby crying
Speaker 1: on the lad, speaker you knowing a.
Speaker 6: Car you had a sunny night shot camera with infra.
Speaker 3: Red, yeah, exactly you're not. Nothing BUT i heard that
Speaker 3: thing walk.
Speaker 7: In you could hear this gravel crunching under the.
Speaker 3: TOES i mean it sounded like a biped to. Me
Speaker 3: and the cautious walk and every.
Speaker 1: And then you, know then we hear that bow And,
Speaker 1: jamie they thought it was me that recrossed the road
Speaker 1: because they they walked right past, us almost stepped on
Speaker 1: me And robert and then walked right past us all
Speaker 1: the way down and just the way the shadows and
Speaker 1: the way the moonlight, was you, know they, saw you,
Speaker 1: know like subject about my height six you, know six
Speaker 1: foot or whatever we crossed the. Road we were never down,
Speaker 1: there SO i was really. Fascinating YEAH i remember, That.
Speaker 6: YEAH i remember you were so.
Speaker 5: Frustrated you're, like if you guys hadn't walked up right,
Speaker 5: then the thing was walking right towards. Us you guys
Speaker 5: were so, fresh.
Speaker 1: But we were and you know what they're looking, BACK
Speaker 1: i mean without, thermal we were getting come, on you,
Speaker 1: know they were just We, yeah there was just there
Speaker 1: was just no.
Speaker 3: Way you. KNOW i always think back to your guys
Speaker 3: incident at that, time got to Mun Named lakes in Northern.
Speaker 1: California you guys had had a hell of an experience
Speaker 1: and if you had thermal that, night you guys.
Speaker 3: Had them dead.
Speaker 2: Right, god we got therms just a year or two
Speaker 2: after that for the first, time and we, thought oh,
Speaker 2: yeah three months from, now we're gonna have a couple
Speaker 2: pieces of.
Speaker 4: Footage yeah we thought it was. Open, yeah BUT.
Speaker 6: I thought we thought two.
Speaker 1: Weeks, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well they were coming out in the. Open mean they
Speaker 4: were coming out in the open and.
Speaker 2: That, yeah some many things happened at the water spot
Speaker 2: and it's just ridiculous and, uh and then it's just
Speaker 2: kind of shut down. Unfortunately but then, Again i'm not
Speaker 2: really hitting it LIKE i used to BECAUSE i you,
Speaker 2: know back, THEN i was living In Long Beach. California
Speaker 2: SO i, would you, know spend a long time in
Speaker 2: the woods at the spots and. Stuff but now i'd
Speaker 2: live in a, spot you, know so it's it's harder
Speaker 2: for me to get down.
Speaker 4: There so it's probably just as good as it ever.
Speaker 5: Was but you, know and people say that night That
Speaker 5: jamie AND i saw that one that was walking up On.
Speaker 5: Barton robert, said, well you can't rull out a, Human
Speaker 5: AND i, said if you would have been on that
Speaker 5: road clearing. Mission it took us two days to clear
Speaker 5: the roads to get into all the down trees and
Speaker 5: boulders and.
Speaker 1: MUDs that was my first time to blow. Up actually
Speaker 1: that was my first time.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: Yeah see that's something that burns me a little, bit,
Speaker 2: man because people who say, that, oh you can't rule
Speaker 2: out of, Human well you weren't, There like.
Speaker 3: How do you know?
Speaker 4: That LIKE i, THINK i think it's pretty LIKE i
Speaker 4: don't know of you guys.
Speaker 2: CAMP i, mean if you, camp you kind of know
Speaker 2: what's around, you especially at that.
Speaker 4: Spot there's nowhere else to be really near that.
Speaker 2: Spot maybe it was slinking around up and down hills
Speaker 2: off of with no lights off. Trail it's, like come,
Speaker 2: on like, yeah you you actually. Can't you actually can
Speaker 2: eliminate humans from being one of the one of the,
Speaker 2: choices if you know the certain. Perspective, yeah but, yeah
Speaker 2: skeptics are not exactly rational all the.
Speaker 3: Time so or WHAT i like that say when you
Speaker 3: say some of them are smart enough to be, skeptics.
Speaker 4: That that's, true that's.
Speaker 2: True, yeah some people are not smart enough to be,
Speaker 2: skeptics and some people aren't qualified to be, skeptics and
Speaker 2: in various other.
Speaker 4: Ways, Absolutely and.
Speaker 1: That's one thing's, too you, know in the field like,
Speaker 1: NOW i, mean don't get me, WRONG i, mean my,
Speaker 1: god it's my best friends in the whole, world and
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 3: FIELD i love. IT i MEAN i love, THEM i love.
Speaker 3: IT i love getting.
Speaker 1: Out but And i'd love to go to more, conferences you,
Speaker 1: know just even for the full fal, aspect.
Speaker 3: For the PEOPLE i care. About it's just hard to
Speaker 3: get away as.
Speaker 1: Much AND i want to use that, time you, know
Speaker 1: maximize that time and get in the.
Speaker 3: Field but it's, just you, know with.
Speaker 1: With facebook and everything, else it's JUST i don't, know
Speaker 1: it just turns me, Out LIKE i almost feel like
Speaker 1: it's LIKE i know What i'm looking, for you know
Speaker 1: WHAT i, MEAN i know the people THAT i like
Speaker 1: going out and searching, this AND i, just you, know
Speaker 1: these days try to that's that's you, know WHERE i
Speaker 1: try to put my energy WHEN i have the. Time you,
Speaker 1: Know it's JUST i know this can be, done AND
Speaker 1: i don't care who does.
Speaker 3: IT i want to.
Speaker 1: DONE i, Know, cliff you're kind of like or at
Speaker 1: least when we've talked. BEFORE i, mean you, know they,
Speaker 1: exist and it's not the end for.
Speaker 3: Me THOUGH i think it. IS i think THAT i want.
Speaker 1: It done before my parents.
Speaker 3: Go ABSOLUTELY i want them to you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Mean like it means like you.
Speaker 1: Know so always supported me on that and everything that
Speaker 1: goes along with, that and.
Speaker 3: AND i want it.
Speaker 1: DONE i don't care who it, is you, KNOW i
Speaker 1: just want done AND i want, done. RIGHT i.
Speaker 6: Agree, yeah great to get some redemption with our, parents
Speaker 6: that's for.
Speaker 2: Sure oh, YEAH i don't care what your parents think of.
Speaker 3: Me come, ON i love you.
Speaker 5: Guys Parents for the first, time they're, like we're so
Speaker 5: glad you have a Normal friendic that's, Like i'm your normal.
Speaker 2: Friend, jesus you told ME i was the most normal
Speaker 2: guy that you, knew AND i was, thinking, well got my.
Speaker 4: CIRCLES i was one of the Stranger but then.
Speaker 5: So, bart you're multi generational resident of you, Know, Canada
Speaker 5: Monterey bay and this show is Called Bigfoot. BEYOND i
Speaker 5: know you have some info on another one of our favorite,
Speaker 5: cryptids sea.
Speaker 3: Serpents.
Speaker 1: Yeah how how crazy is?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 1: So back in which was the, fifties there was about
Speaker 1: three year period Every, italian Every Italian sicilian Fisherman i'm
Speaker 1: related pretty much every one of, them including my now
Speaker 1: both non news which were both my. Grandfathers one of
Speaker 1: them they saw this during The steinbeck, era This saradine
Speaker 1: era where they there was about a three or four
Speaker 1: year period where they were just pulling in comes to
Speaker 1: sardines and they just. Disappeared it's like another whole. Mystery
Speaker 1: but they were SEEING i think it might have been an,
Speaker 1: orphish probably not because it was revealedly. Seen you're not
Speaker 1: going to repeatedly see an, orphish that's how rare they.
Speaker 1: Are but this thing was actually. SEEING i mean not
Speaker 1: one on one who saw it about seven. Times the
Speaker 1: other one always thought one. Time but every one of
Speaker 1: them saw. It and guess what the name of that,
Speaker 1: thing the.
Speaker 6: Nickname Handsome stead.
Speaker 1: Pretty close turned out to be one of my better, Buddies,
Speaker 1: bobo which is pretty, crazy but, yeah that's WHAT i
Speaker 1: grew up on was and that was an inspiration for
Speaker 1: me in this. Pursuit was My nanu telling me the
Speaker 1: stories and you, know you, said he's so, cute he's
Speaker 1: such a great, best this old Time cilian. FISHERMAN i,
Speaker 1: mean just as you would, imagine you, know almost like
Speaker 1: the stereotype and the Broken, english and you're just so cute.
Speaker 1: Best AND i just REMEMBER i when was, saying go
Speaker 1: TRY i get the camera and go, down you, know and.
Speaker 3: He would see. It he said on.
Speaker 1: You, know a lot of them had described like a
Speaker 1: horse's me on, it you, know like a reddish, horse
Speaker 1: and that's. Right my mind is always looking Towards, okay
Speaker 1: what's the first you, know what's the first? Candidate and
Speaker 1: that matches, up okay with an oar. Fish but a
Speaker 1: lot of people described it shaped to like a, sunfish
Speaker 1: not like a, servent you, Know and there was some
Speaker 1: really close.
Speaker 3: Upsidings there was a.
Speaker 1: Old sicilian boat called The dante Al jerry that had
Speaker 1: a major, side you, know all the whole, crews all this,
Speaker 1: thing and you kind of remember these guys are out
Speaker 1: all the.
Speaker 3: Time these guys go to a Last June. July they
Speaker 3: see it. All they see.
Speaker 1: Every every sea light that you can a marine animal
Speaker 1: that you can possibly. Imagine and you, know when something's,
Speaker 1: unfamiliar these guys know.
Speaker 3: It you.
Speaker 1: Know it's not like even you, know your Regular joe
Speaker 1: that's going to see. Something you, know maybe a lot
Speaker 1: of mess or whatever not be identify. It, mean guys
Speaker 1: are out there all the, time so when something's, different you,
Speaker 1: know they.
Speaker 3: Know SO i don't know what the hell it. Was
Speaker 3: sightings tapered. OFF i think the last TIME i.
Speaker 1: None we thought it might have been in the Sixties
Speaker 1: montopotman And Mount, Banni but, yeah that was it. BEEN
Speaker 1: i haven't heard anything.
Speaker 2: Since, well it's just some speculation BECAUSE i think that's
Speaker 2: kind of. Fun sasquatch like.
Speaker 3: That what is?
Speaker 1: IT i would say that they are absolutely no secret
Speaker 1: masters of the environment chameleon. Licabilities they. Are there's a
Speaker 1: shy and retiring. NATURE i don't know. Why maybe it's
Speaker 1: a disease thing with. Us maybe they have, bigger maneuverable,
Speaker 1: bodies but somehow they there's a shy and retiring nature
Speaker 1: attached or we.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't be where we. Are there's no argument on.
Speaker 1: That why that, IS i DON'T i you, KNOW i don't,
Speaker 1: know BUT i think IT'S i honestly think it's just
Speaker 1: A i think it's a matter of time AND dna
Speaker 1: may play a big part of. It you, know we
Speaker 1: had a long story, there but there was a couple
Speaker 1: opportunity for, that AND i think the wrong person, Clearly
Speaker 1: uh take that ball and run with it if you,
Speaker 1: will and they're reflected back in her.
Speaker 3: Face BUT i think in the long, TERM i THINK.
Speaker 1: DNA i THINK i think with thermal with with there's
Speaker 1: now software and being told that they could see.
Speaker 3: Blood, flow that's you, know technology is just going to keep.
Speaker 1: Going and there's only four, percent but four to five
Speaker 1: percent of this continent that we officially take up that.
Speaker 1: Space the other ninety five percent is. Free you, know
Speaker 1: there's there's a. Darkness is how many Hours once it's,
Speaker 1: dark those things can go wherever they. Want And i've
Speaker 1: always had a theory that they've had the. Benefit you,
Speaker 1: know it's just a lucky benefit Of you've got to
Speaker 1: think in areas like where there's black bear and humans
Speaker 1: using a lot of those same, TRAIL i just think
Speaker 1: a lot of their sign is is disguised because you've
Speaker 1: got to, remember most people aren't the guy that smells
Speaker 1: the ground and he knows that hell crap.
Speaker 3: There a week. Ago you, know that's a rare that's
Speaker 3: a rare.
Speaker 1: Guy most people are the people that take the path
Speaker 1: of lease resistance in the, forest stick to the human.
Speaker 1: Trails it's just no surprise where we. ARE i think
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that surprised me is one hasn't made
Speaker 1: a mistake and an actual body brought in for processing
Speaker 1: THAT i cannot THAT i baffle.
Speaker 3: By SO i think it's just a matter of.
Speaker 1: Time BUT i still think ten fifteen, YEARS i still
Speaker 1: think we're.
Speaker 3: OUT i don't think it's gonna, Happen. MOOR i don't see.
Speaker 3: IT i don't know what it.
Speaker 1: IS i think we're still there's still gonna be some
Speaker 1: time before we get.
Speaker 3: THERE i hope you're. Wrong go To Why why right, On.
Speaker 6: Barth that was a great little chat with. You we
Speaker 6: appreciate you coming on the.
Speaker 1: Show, No i'm, honored love you, guys and any time you,
Speaker 1: know anytime you need anything for, Me i'm here for.
Speaker 3: You SO i appreciate thank you for considering me to
Speaker 3: have me on.
Speaker 4: Honor, Yeah it's doesn't even feel like a.
Speaker 2: Show we're just hanging out talking like like we're in
Speaker 2: the same, room but we're.
Speaker 4: Not, yeah And, bart you're.
Speaker 6: Available we're gonna Do Bubbo's fab five follow.
Speaker 8: Up we're going to pick the five best questions that
Speaker 8: the listeners have in the comment section and call you
Speaker 8: back and try to get some quick answers To.
Speaker 6: Clipper do you think we didn't cover properly or didn't
Speaker 6: go into depth on?
Speaker 3: Enough? Sure?
Speaker 2: Absolutely all, Right Bart, man Hey, man great to talk to.
Speaker 2: You it's been a little bit too. Long it's been
Speaker 2: a couple of. Weeks, FIRST i think at least this
Speaker 2: is always nice hang out with you And bobs at
Speaker 2: the same. Time so thanks for coming on and gracing
Speaker 2: us with your. Presence, Okay, bart love you to.
Speaker 8: Brother thanks so much for joining, us and thanks everyone
Speaker 8: for tuning in, listening and until next, time keep It.
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