1 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,519 Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering 2 00:00:20,519 --> 00:00:22,640 what the Reload Show is about if you haven't heard 3 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:26,000 previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,039 a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the 5 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:31,000 days of the KTPF radio show, their own radio show 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,799 around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,200 over the three hours. I joined them in the last 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,759 eighteen months of the show's run, but eventually the guys 9 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:41,280 felt they yes about had enough. It was a monumental 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,600 effort to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It 11 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:47,280 was a wonderful show, but unfortunately they no longer involved 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,359 and the shows have just sort of sat in the archives. 13 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:51,159 So I thought it would be nice to bring them 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,880 back to life and bringing you the interviews that the 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,520 guy has conducted over those four years and include some 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,600 of the most interesting people within the world of the 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,280 paranormal and some lots of well no, but it's nevertheless 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,040 still very interesting. We even now one or two rather 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,519 unusual shows, including a live salance and other things along 20 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:10,959 those lines. Anyway, hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and this 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:20,200 is the KTPF Reload Show. Enjoy. You're in the right place. 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:29,359 Speaker 2: Online, on Aware and on air all over the world 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,560 talk radio. You hear us, We hear you. 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:34,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 25 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 4: Goodeen with everybody, and welcome to another edition of the 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,000 KTPF Community Talk Show. My name is Susanne I and 27 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:45,920 tonight we are talking about the Bermuda Triangle. This is 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,200 a region of the west part of the North Atlantic 29 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:53,040 Ocean in which ships, planes and people are alleged to 30 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:59,000 have mysteriously vanished. It's been quite popular for the for 31 00:01:59,159 --> 00:02:04,599 quite a few years now, and basically back in the 32 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:08,840 days of Columbus, it started to be reported that even 33 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:13,159 Columbus himself reported strange lights and strange compass readings when 34 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,960 he was in the area back in fourteen ninety two. 35 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:20,879 In sixteen oh nine, the Sea Venture got wrecked during 36 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,960 the first attempt to colonize Bermuda. But between nineteen forty 37 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,039 five and two thousand and eight, one hundred and twenty 38 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,719 nine planes have disappeared. That's just two a year, working 39 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:35,319 on a percentage, despite hundreds of planes, ships, and pleasure 40 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:38,919 craft that go through the triangle. So why does it 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,439 affect some and not others? Well, tonight we are going 42 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:46,599 to talk to a young lady carry Trantham. We're going 43 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,560 to talk about her experience of the Bermuda Triangle that 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,000 she did when she flew through the Bermuda Triangle in 45 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,000 nineteen ninety five. It's very interesting story, isn't it, Dave. 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,400 It is indeed so, yes, So we'll be talking about that. 47 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:07,960 But we'll also be asking her about the latest report. 48 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:11,479 We had it in the Daily Mail back in February 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,560 that as far as the National Ocehanik and Atmospheric Administration 50 00:03:16,759 --> 00:03:21,560 are concerned, the it's official the Bermuda Triangle is a myth. 51 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 5: Yes, the US Navy doesn't recognize it, and insurance companies 52 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:28,840 don't charge you any more for going through it. 53 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,439 Speaker 4: No, so they don't recognize it either. And they're basically 54 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:37,639 saying that it's down to the weather conditions that happened 55 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:44,080 during the time. And they're saying basically it's it's just 56 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,120 down to the weather conditions, the foul weather, the poor 57 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,680 navigation involved. So are they saying it's down to the 58 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:53,759 people that's done this that and mother nature? 59 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:54,159 Speaker 6: Yes? 60 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 5: I have a few things that could cause disappearances here, Okay, okay. 61 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:05,639 The first lot is mainly for shipping it's a very 62 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:08,560 deep area of deep trench there, and it's in deep 63 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:12,599 trench in whirlpools can cause can cause the ships to 64 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:17,600 be sorked into woopole and sunk methane gas. Yes, and 65 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:20,439 they've proven it in the in tanks with the small 66 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,120 models and things, that a bubble of me thayne gas 67 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,160 can actually sink a ship pirates. 68 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: Of course, the rogue waves. 69 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 5: They are actually recognized now. Even these space stations have 70 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,480 noticed waves up to ninety five feet high. These are 71 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,959 not tsunamis. These are waves. 72 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:49,879 Speaker 4: Okay. 73 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,639 Speaker 5: There's water spouts, tornadoes, cyclones, and hurricanes, of course, and 74 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:59,040 if you want to go from a supernatural version, how 75 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:04,720 about this one there meant uh Edgar Coy's Giant Crystal 76 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,959 of Atlantis, Okay, he's reasoning of the Bermuda Triangle told 77 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,279 about a huge laser crystal that was a powerful weapon 78 00:05:14,399 --> 00:05:18,959 that was also used as guiding energy source for Atlantean aircraft. 79 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,759 Said the crystal was submerged underneath the water of the 80 00:05:22,759 --> 00:05:26,240 Bermuda Triangle. He stated that on clear days when the 81 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,360 water was calm and the sunlight hit the crystal and 82 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:35,079 activated it. The crystals being disrupted electrial electronic equipment and 83 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,759 was responsible for the disappearances in the triangle. 84 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:45,879 Speaker 4: I see so it is a mysterious place. Even Barry 85 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,120 Man and I sung about it. Excuse me, but how 86 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,800 about this one? Okay? UFOs and us os us yes, 87 00:05:56,399 --> 00:06:01,879 and applying submarine submarine objects? Is it submerged objects? 88 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 6: You got it? 89 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:04,439 Speaker 3: I see this. 90 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,439 Speaker 5: This bicture says about Christopher Clumbus in the strange lights 91 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:11,639 on the horizon, and he referred to the Muda triangle 92 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:16,800 he later saw around glowing objects submerged into the ocean. 93 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:21,600 In the addition, Clumbus reported how on two occasions, compass 94 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:25,360 reading was northwest at night, and by daybreak it corrected 95 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,720 itself to align with an all star. There are similar 96 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:33,720 stories about UFOs and usos and identify submerged objects within 97 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:39,040 the Bermuda triangle. Some theorialized that UFOs are using vortexes 98 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:43,000 and wormholes to enter and exit our world, and somehow 99 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,519 ships and planes also go through these passages. 100 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 4: Hi, carry Hi? Can you hear me? Okay? 101 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 3: I can you hear you? Can you hear me? Fine? 102 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:54,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fine. I can't. You can't see me at 103 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:57,199 the moment because I'm saving bad bandwith just in case 104 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,519 it goes wrong. Okay, but I'm seeing you and hearing 105 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:06,759 you perfectly good. Right, So Carrie trying them? Is that 106 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:07,720 his production name? 107 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:08,639 Speaker 3: Yes? 108 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: Yes, uh. Now you are a survivor basically of the 109 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:14,680 Bermuda Triangle. 110 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:18,079 Speaker 3: Well that's kind of what they think, and. 111 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: So what do you think. 112 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: Well, I definitely survived, right, Okay, I'm very thankful for that. 113 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:28,920 It was a very very scary experience. 114 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well, would you like to take us through it? 115 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,199 Tell us up you know what what happened, and never think. 116 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: Well, it was. It was a flight up to Daytona 117 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,079 Beach to see my daughter, and it's a fight that 118 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,600 I had flown several times, and I was living in 119 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:57,000 the Florida Keys at that time, and it started out fine. 120 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:03,519 And and what's interesting is that one of the pilots 121 00:08:04,079 --> 00:08:06,839 that I was flying out of the Key was Naval 122 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:12,360 Air Station I was belonged to out there, and one 123 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,240 of the big jet fight fighter planets told me once 124 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:20,040 that there's a dead airspace between the Florida Keys and 125 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:24,360 the mainland. And I had always every time I flew, 126 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:27,560 always thought about that conversation that we had. And he says, well, 127 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,600 don't worry about it, you know, just keep flying or 128 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,879 climb a little higher and yeo, man radio contacts, So 129 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,559 let's me be worried about. And I always thought that 130 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,080 was kind of strange, you know, dead airspace. What the 131 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,840 heck is that? So but anyway, I was flying up 132 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:48,919 to see my daughter, and I landed at Norman Beach. 133 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,279 We went shopping, and I did everything I needed to 134 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,559 do by filing a flight plan and everything else to 135 00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:59,639 go back to the Keys. And I was flying. I 136 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,519 had to changed my flight plan because there was some storming, 137 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:07,759 the weather moving in a front coming into Florida. So 138 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,360 I had to change my flight plans from where the 139 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:13,799 way I flew, because I flew directly across the Gulf 140 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,080 to Naples and then across UH, Florida to the coastline, 141 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:24,639 and then up to arm I was doing my thing 142 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:27,960 and and and I noticed it was getting I was 143 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,919 ahead of the storm. It wasn't even worried about that, 144 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:34,519 and it was way behind me. And I was flying 145 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,320 along and UH and then all of a sudden, it 146 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:41,720 was just like something somebody threw a blanket over my airplane. 147 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,720 It was like totally in the dark, you know, my instruments. 148 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,039 You know, I went crazy, I lost my horizon. I 149 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,720 just I just felt like I lost control. And then 150 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:57,080 all my flight training went in kicked in and it 151 00:09:57,159 --> 00:10:00,360 was either getting control of this airplane or I end 152 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:08,000 up in the Gulf and and and never survived. And 153 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:10,080 it was, like I said, it was a really really scary, 154 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,720 scary experience. I only actually told two people about it afterwards, 155 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:19,639 and the one being the commander that was in charge 156 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:22,080 of the flying club. And and he was upset because 157 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,360 I left the airplane with almost no gas, which is like, what, 158 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:27,559 you know, what happened to me up there? You know 159 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:32,559 that I used up more gas and I anticipated, and 160 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:34,399 so I kind of explained to him that I had 161 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,559 a situation, and of course he gave me a lecture 162 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:41,600 and and then I a couple of days later, I 163 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,399 just I felt like I needed to get back into 164 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:45,960 an airplane otherwise I would never fly again. I mean, 165 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,480 it was that that detrimental and that scary to me. 166 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,759 And and when I was out there, a pilot that 167 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:58,279 I had that was I was close to, I told 168 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,279 him about, you know, what it happened, And because I 169 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,240 wasn't really sure what happened you know, but it was 170 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,080 just one of those things situations where you felt like, 171 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,879 you know, you didn't want to really tell anybody because 172 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,960 it was like did I do something wrong or or 173 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:17,320 what happened to me? Or would anybody ever even believe me? 174 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:24,799 Type of situation. And then years later I was having 175 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,480 issues because I kept thinking about it, and my husband 176 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,279 told me, he says, you know, maybe you need to 177 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:35,480 write it down. So sometimes getting it out on paper 178 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,519 gets it out of your system. So that's what I did. 179 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,519 And then next thing I knew, it was suggested that 180 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,000 I submitted for a publication, and I did, and it 181 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:48,639 was and it was published. So that's about it. 182 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:51,039 Speaker 4: I'm not sure book, isn't it? Which is cold? What's 183 00:11:51,039 --> 00:11:51,480 it called? 184 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: The magazine that it was published in? 185 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've written a book here? 186 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:01,759 Speaker 3: Oh yes I have. It's actually a novelist, the Bermuda 187 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:07,279 Triangle Pathway to Atlantis. And I as after my article 188 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,200 was published, I was on several documentaries and I heard 189 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,960 all these theories about what causes the Bermuda Triangle. So 190 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,639 I got to thinking about it, and it's like, you know, 191 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:22,360 and I and I'm a big fan of the Science Channel, 192 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:27,000 and and uh, and the contum you know, the theory 193 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,440 of quantum physics. You know, once it was discovered, it 194 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:33,320 just like blows your mind. It's like makes almost everything possible. 195 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,200 And the fact that that, uh, that scientists have now 196 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:42,720 proven I guess in the and they and the science 197 00:12:42,759 --> 00:12:46,799 labs that there's ten dimensions, which totally changes a lot 198 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:49,000 of the way we live, I mean, or the way 199 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:53,519 I think anyway. And so my book is basically on 200 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,399 the fact that what happens in the Bermuda Triangle, the disappearances, 201 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:01,360 you know, is that they're going over into a parallel universe. 202 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:03,639 And I know people say, oh my god, but yeah, 203 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:08,440 I think it's totally possible. You know. Now, I've been 204 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:12,080 told that that, uh, maybe there's a magnetic fog there, 205 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,000 and that that's what happened to me, That I flew 206 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:17,600 into the magnetic father, the magnetic fog flew into me. Whatever, 207 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,879 And and that's another part, you know, possibility. I think 208 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,519 of what's going on there, because in researching my book 209 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,159 The Permuter Triangle Pathway to Atlantis, I looked up the 210 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,440 magnetic force that covers our planet and it's just freaking awesome. 211 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, I believe also within to try 212 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:47,159 and you're you're right, you're true, your true nose becomes 213 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,480 a magnetic magnet direct. 214 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry you've. 215 00:13:55,519 --> 00:14:03,039 Speaker 4: Got the show on as well, because I can you 216 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,000 your speakers, Yes, I can't. 217 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 3: I apologize. I was having a little bit. Is that better? 218 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, because we're getting the feedback you see, I'm hearing 219 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:17,519 myself again. Okay, where you are. 220 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: There, I'll have a little bit of an listening to you. 221 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 4: So I believe at the end of the day, when 222 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,840 you're in the Bermuda triangle, there's a difference between true 223 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:32,039 north and magnetic north. My correct. 224 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,879 Speaker 3: Yes, well that's flying. There's always a difference between the 225 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:39,799 magnetic north and and you're always having to adjust your compass. 226 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,000 That's a to the But and then there's you know, 227 00:14:44,039 --> 00:14:49,039 and there's been discussions about the north and south UH polls. 228 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,120 It's you know, switching. So I get some research on 229 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,679 that too. But there's a I get a lot of email. 230 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,320 And I got an email this morning from a a 231 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,360 young man in Pakistan and he UH is studying civil 232 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:08,200 engineering and he says, and he says, I'm studied nature 233 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,360 and any of course, he thinks that the Ramir Tangle 234 00:15:12,519 --> 00:15:19,000 is because of the magnetic forces. That is another planet 235 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,879 that's taking them. Originally said, which is kind of interesting. 236 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:32,759 Speaker 4: You know, it's all right. She keeps dropping out by 237 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,120 carry if you can hear me, can you turn your 238 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:43,480 camera off? She's died on me. Gone, she's gone. 239 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,519 Speaker 6: We will get her back. Don worry, don't. 240 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: Forget if you have problems, I mean that friend. Hi, Yeah, 241 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,679 if you leave your camera off, it will be okay. 242 00:15:51,679 --> 00:15:57,600 With the bandwidth, I'm sorry, Skype can be a bit 243 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,080 finicky if you have your camera on sometimes it uses 244 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,000 too much bandwidth and therefore out. So if you leave 245 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:10,080 to come off, it should be fine. Okay, Okay, So 246 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:12,519 you were saying you was telling me about this young 247 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:13,360 lads said. 248 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,559 Speaker 3: Well, it was a I just feel like I can't 249 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:22,080 turn my video off. I guess I'm off though, Yeah. 250 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:22,399 Speaker 4: You are wrong. 251 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. I just consider myself a believer. That means I 252 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:30,440 believe in everything until somebody absolutely proves that it doesn't exist. 253 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,879 It exists because and we you know, as far as 254 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:36,639 i'm I mean, nobody has actually proven that there's no 255 00:16:36,679 --> 00:16:41,440 such thing as a ghost. No, and there's no such 256 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:44,279 thing as time traveling. I mean, nobody's proven that we 257 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,000 can't travel through time, and that I've been reading a 258 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:50,639 lot about time travel and time. I mean, you know, 259 00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:54,759 even Einstein says that the way we consider time is 260 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:56,879 is based on our movement through the universe. I mean, 261 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,320 there's really no such thing as time, and some times 262 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,480 time passed and president future can kind of blend together, 263 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:08,720 especially when you get into other dimensions. 264 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 4: I just soart curiousity. How long did it take you 265 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,279 to make a trip to your daughters and how long 266 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:15,599 did it take you to get back? 267 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 3: It's about a three and a half hour trip to 268 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:27,240 get there, depending on the wind. Coming back, it took 269 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:32,200 me probably two hours longer, I'm thinking, because it got 270 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:36,440 dark on me, you know, and I had to land 271 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,960 in the flight of my last leg in the in 272 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,599 the dark. But I really lost time. I just I mean, 273 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,000 I was just so shocked, you know, in shock, and 274 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,119 and I just lost it. 275 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, did you say anything apart from this blackness? 276 00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 3: No, I did not. I get that asked a lot. 277 00:17:57,519 --> 00:17:59,079 You know. It's like, you know, like I said, I 278 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:01,640 get a lot of email. Well, yeah, and a lot 279 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,400 of them are are young students from the sixth grade up, 280 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,839 and it's interesting what they're what they say, you know, 281 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,480 about my experience and and their questions that they ask, 282 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:18,480 you know, but uh no, I didn't see anything, and 283 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:22,599 that course, to me, that was what was scary. 284 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:29,799 Speaker 6: And we got Chris and Emmer in, Okay, hey can 285 00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:34,319 you hear me? Can you hear Chris? 286 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: Did he ask? I couldn't hear his question? 287 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 6: Hello that Hi, Kerry, can you hear me? Okay? 288 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, how are you? 289 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 6: I'm not too bad, thank you. I'm not too bad 290 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,759 at all. My name is Chris. And it must have 291 00:18:45,759 --> 00:18:48,839 been a very very very scary experience. Obviously, you're flying, 292 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,480 you know, over places and it's completely black and you 293 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,759 can't see anything. Lots of weather, you know, maybe you 294 00:18:55,839 --> 00:18:58,880 know navigational systems and malfunctioning and things like that when 295 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,400 you're you know, playing altitudes in an aircraft. So I 296 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,799 can I can understand that, you know, the anxieties and 297 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,279 the fear you know that you must have been, you know, 298 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:12,400 you're incorporated, and I can certainly understand carrying these with 299 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,480 you from that day maybe to this day. I mean, 300 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:16,559 obviously if you still suffer from these things. But would you, 301 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,920 I mean, would you have consider flying? Would you fly 302 00:19:20,039 --> 00:19:22,079 back over that in that same area again. 303 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,279 Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the common question, and yes I have. 304 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,640 I did. Actually the first time I went back over 305 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,799 there was with the Discovery Channel and and their pilot. 306 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:37,119 You know, we went over the same area and I 307 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,359 did by myself again, but I no longer at night, 308 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,319 you know, not by myself if I had a chance, 309 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:47,599 but if I had a choice, rather not a chance, 310 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,079 but if I had a choice. But it is, it 311 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,000 was a scary experience. And I was thinking about that 312 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:55,079 today when I was thinking about this interview, is that 313 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,559 it's something that even when I think about it now, 314 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,359 you know, my my heart beat and my stomach turns 315 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,240 over and and and it Actually it did a lot 316 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:11,519 of changes for me. It changed my It made me 317 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,839 more open to possibilities I think in my life, and 318 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:21,960 it made me more It affected me emotionally in the 319 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,440 fact that I felt more thankful for life. You know, 320 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,720 I think anybody that has a life death experience where 321 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:33,440 they feel like they're not gonna, you know, survive it, 322 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,200 I have that feeling that, yes, it's good to wake 323 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:38,880 up in the morning. 324 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, So do you feel more like because obviously because 325 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,400 of the encounter, obviously the experience is sort of giving 326 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,000 you that bit more guidance, that enlightenment, you know, so 327 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,960 obviously likes you just said, you know you see things 328 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,240 in a different way now or you know, so, do 329 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,319 you think it's sort of it's added to your enlightenment 330 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,759 and sort of helped develop you further further onto you know, 331 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:02,160 the and you know that you've become today. 332 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:06,759 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that. Yeah. I don't know if I 333 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:15,039 was actually enlightened, but I would. It's made me. It's 334 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,920 made me more aware of how precious life is and 335 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:25,200 how awesome our planet is, and about all the mysteries. 336 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,759 I mean, I just look out here over my patio 337 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:32,039 I live in Boquetti Padam on my views is awesome, 338 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,359 and and I hear the animals and the experiences I 339 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,279 have with the hummingbirds. You know, they come looking for 340 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:42,519 me if they get hungry. I mean, life is just 341 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:47,319 fascinating and what we experience is just fascinating. And in fact, 342 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,400 I had this. I have to say, I have a 343 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,319 friend that said that he has a friend that says 344 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,119 that Earth is actually the vacation spot for aliens. I 345 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,759 thought that was fun. 346 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 6: That's a very good concept. It's very it's a very concept. 347 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:08,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're gorgeous and beautiful and and in fact, 348 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,519 I saw this video and I put it on my 349 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,640 Facebook page because it was so awesome. And it's basically 350 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,799 based on the fact of the overview effect, and the 351 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:25,000 overview effect is being It's like the the astronauts that 352 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,880 left the planet, you know, when they were heading to 353 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,240 the Moon. Their main goal was the Moon, and that's 354 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:31,759 what they were looking at, and then all of a 355 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:34,079 sudden they turn around and look at the air, at 356 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:37,920 the planet Earth behind them, and it just affected several 357 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,599 of them, you know, spiritually, because here's this planet that's 358 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:49,079 that's absolutely blue and gorgeous and hanging in the sky. 359 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,200 And I can see where aliens would think of it 360 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,319 as a vacation place. 361 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 6: It's certainly a shame where we have to go through 362 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,400 things or experience things to appreciate the planet and things 363 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,880 that we got around us that we take the ground 364 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,400 to on everyday basis, don't we you know we you know, 365 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,960 we get up in the morning, we're breathing, you know, 366 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,839 we're breathing air. We can communicate, we're alive. We feeld 367 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:10,559 a warmth from the sun on our faces and on 368 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,400 our bodies and like you say, the animals, the birds 369 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,920 and everything just you know, living around and the general 370 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,319 consensus of life itself. And we often walk around blind, 371 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,519 with our eyes closed and oblivious to the fact, and 372 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:25,039 that we just don't appreciate it enough. And maybe sometimes 373 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:28,400 people do having incorporate experiences, like people have near death 374 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,799 scenarios and experiences on that level, and when they sort 375 00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:35,079 of come back and they have a new found sense 376 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,519 of being with life around in general. But you know, 377 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,440 very much, as you've just been saying yourself there, when 378 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,920 you know with the birds, you know, humming and then 379 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,680 everything like that, it's just a shame that we have 380 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,759 to go through these things. And maybe sometimes we're designed 381 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:53,240 to go through certain experiences, depending on what their experiences are, 382 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:55,640 but maybe we're designed to go through them to open 383 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,480 our eyes to such maybe. 384 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: I think so, you know, I think a lot of 385 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,039 people have the problem that they live in a box 386 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,279 and and and they're afraid to STI ab out this box. 387 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:09,160 But I think, you know, I've told many people of 388 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,000 this that I think that I've after my experience I have, 389 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:17,279 I'm open, I'm open for for and I think when 390 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:20,839 you open yourself up then things do happen to you, 391 00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:25,839 you know, but wonderful things, wonderful experience is you know, 392 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,200 I definitely believe in paranormal, but I also believe that 393 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,000 that there's a that everything that we consider or discussed 394 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:38,519 as paranormal is a mystery, and a mystery at some 395 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,720 point there's a reason for the mystery, and there there 396 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:43,720 will be a science. I don't like to use the 397 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,599 words scientific, but there is an explanation, you know. I 398 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,799 think that like time travel, I think at some point 399 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,799 we're going to find out that there really is a 400 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:55,440 simple reason where I could just think myself and all 401 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,079 of a sudden, I'm. 402 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 6: In New York City. 403 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,079 Speaker 3: You know. I think that there's a there's a there 404 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,519 is a way to do it. We just don't know 405 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:11,200 what it is to transport ourselves and and the explanation 406 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,079 will be something really simple. It's like the scientists are 407 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,119 going to just hit their heads and say, oh my god, 408 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:20,400 we should have known that. You know, we can manage 409 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:26,119 our particles and change our or whatever and transport just 410 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,079 like that. I know, you, Like I said, I'm a believer, 411 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,839 and I think that everything that we've you know, what's 412 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:36,079 interesting is that we actually live in a Star Trek world. 413 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 6: Now I love Star Trek. I love Star Trek, but 414 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,720 we do we do. I mean, and I know you 415 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,559 had a horror and experience, a terrifying experience, and obviously 416 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,720 one that's going to stay with you, you know, for maybe 417 00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:48,160 possible with the rest of your life. It's something that 418 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,000 you're not going to forget in a hurry, you know, 419 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,759 And you know it's fantastic that obviously you manage to 420 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,319 get back safely, and that you are where you are 421 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,519 today and you got back, you know, and all that's 422 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:02,279 behind you, put in the bad side of that behind you, 423 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,519 and knowing what you know now and how we seem 424 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,039 to more appreciate things. Would you say that you would 425 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,720 you would you say that you're glad today that you 426 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,480 actually had that experience or is it something you think 427 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,279 you wish still you still never had that experience, knowing 428 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:19,640 that you've you know, you've come through that safely and 429 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,680 hopefully it will never happen again. But would you say, 430 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,559 you know, you'd love that you actually had that opportunity 431 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,359 to experience what what you actually did? 432 00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:37,839 Speaker 3: Well, yes, you know, I you know, sometimes you wonder 433 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,720 it's like, why do things happen to you that happens 434 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:44,079 to you. Is there a destiny or or was that? 435 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:49,480 You know? I had an interesting phone call from a 436 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:53,440 couple who are actually there. And the king's eighty one 437 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,000 and she's seventy six, and they wrote a book and 438 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:02,599 they wrote it anonymously because during the Korean War they were, uh, 439 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:07,119 they were underwater photographers and did documentaries, but that was 440 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,079 that was their surveillance or or whatever you call it. 441 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,119 They were actually spies. And and he's a little bit 442 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,680 on the psychic side. I guess he had a life 443 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:23,599 death experience and and he woke up being a little 444 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,599 bit psychic. And so they were asking me, it's like 445 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,960 and they found my book and they were saying, carry 446 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,640 when when you were writing this, do you find that 447 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,039 that is it just your imagination or is this coming 448 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:40,599 from someplace else? Because he felt that that when he 449 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:46,200 had his life death experience, that the that the tunnel 450 00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:52,400 never really closed for him. So when his writing, uh, 451 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,440 he feels like it's coming from someplace else other than 452 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,279 his own, you know, imagination. And I thought that was 453 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,400 really really because I thought about that, and I never 454 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,720 when I was I've had a life death experience, and 455 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:08,680 so I don't. When I was twenty four and I 456 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,160 had a car wreck and my heart stopped three times, 457 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,839 and I just wondered, and I got me thinking, It's like, 458 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,279 I wonder if maybe this opened me up to you know, 459 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,400 like the Bermuda Triangle experience or whatever. But what is 460 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,200 this happening? And sometimes I wonder, you know, where my 461 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,519 thoughts do come from? You know, is it just my 462 00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:33,319 imagination or is there and another funneling into my mind? 463 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,079 You know, the other morning or the other night, I 464 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,640 woke up in the middle of the night and a name. 465 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,240 It was it was a very strange name. It was Robert, 466 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,720 and it was like the very strange last name. And 467 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:50,400 I kept spelling that name and I don't know anybody 468 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,240 by that name, and it's like, where in the world 469 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,720 did that come from? So their conversation was really really interesting, 470 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,960 and we talked for a little over an hour. And 471 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,079 they're in the States and I was down here. So 472 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,960 I plan on on catching up with him when I'm 473 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,680 in the States. 474 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:09,039 Speaker 7: But what do you think, do you think that there's 475 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,559 a possibility that you know, some of these some of 476 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:16,440 our thoughts are not really coming for our own minds, 477 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,640 but someplace else. 478 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 4: We've got some questions for you from the chat room. Harry. 479 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,799 First of all, j W wants to know how did 480 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:31,440 your friends and family react when you told them? 481 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: Actually, I didn't tell them now, Okay. In fact, my 482 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,160 husband complained because I was married to him for three 483 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,319 years before I ever told him about the experience, and 484 00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:48,200 he's and I was having problems with nightmares and uh, 485 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,079 and that's when it was suggested that maybe I write 486 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,519 it down. You know, sometimes when you got things, you 487 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,799 know that are on your mind constantly, it's easy to 488 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,240 you know, just put them down on paper, kind of 489 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,440 get some out of your system. So but yeah, he 490 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,960 was a little of us, said that I hadn't told 491 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,839 him until after three years of marriage. 492 00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: Okay. And Andy wants to know what was she supposed 493 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,720 to be? Where you were? Were you when you were flying? 494 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,000 And you was to two hours more than what you 495 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,920 should have been flying, so to speak, because you took 496 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,119 a different route, didn't you. 497 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did take a different route, but because I 498 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,920 didn't fly, I was I must find the coastline, so 499 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,799 that would have taken me a little bit longer to 500 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,799 fly that way, right, That's where I went because the 501 00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:46,279 way I left, I live from Key West, straight north 502 00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:50,039 to Naples and across, so I was flying across the Gulf. 503 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 4: So backstay Like Andy's question is, were you supposed to 504 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,680 be there or did you end up miles from nowhere 505 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,279 when it blacked Now, I. 506 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,559 Speaker 3: Was supposed to be there. I was doing my flight plan. 507 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:06,119 But when when my car when everything went black on me? 508 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:12,440 The thing is is that you lose your oh cr 509 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,880 what's the word for it. Anyway, I wasn't sure if 510 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160 I was upside down the right side up, And then 511 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,640 I wasn't sure if I had floated, you know, east 512 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,400 or west or where. I just lost where I was 513 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,720 and of course back though maybe if i'd had a 514 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,599 GPS that might have been different, but at that time 515 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,519 we didn't have GPS's, or at least not for little airplanes. 516 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,319 Speaker 4: You know, what makes you think that you didn't blank blackout? 517 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. I I did a talk 518 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,839 not too long ago, and I was asked that maybe 519 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,039 I had a blackout, and I honestly don't know. I 520 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:55,799 couldn't tell you if I had blacked out or not. 521 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 4: No time wasn't on allSome, so wasn't the plane crashed. 522 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,319 If you blacked out, well. 523 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,599 Speaker 3: It's amazing how how amazing small airplanes are. They're built 524 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,200 to glide. And I it depends on how long I 525 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,720 was blacked out, actually, but I don't think I was. 526 00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:20,480 I think I was just in a state of shock 527 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:26,839 because I was so I was so intent. But I 528 00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,839 think thinking back is like I was thrown into a 529 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,880 survival mode and whether the adrenaline was flowing, and you know, 530 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,920 you always hear strange things about that happening to people, 531 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400 where people lifting up cars off of other people, you know, 532 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:44,640 to save a life or whatever. It's amazing what our 533 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,960 bodies and our minds can do when then adrenaline is flowing. 534 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,720 And like I said, I was just I don't you know, 535 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:55,400 I kind of liked my my existence. And I think 536 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,799 I was just trying to survive. I wasn't I didn't 537 00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:58,319 want to die. 538 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,279 Speaker 4: No, you don't have to ask. Have you ever tried 539 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,400 hypnosis to retrieve the memory of that time? And if not, 540 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,200 would you consider it? I have a time panic and 541 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,880 what you own? 542 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,599 Speaker 3: I have done hypnosis. I was very much into hypnosis, 543 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,640 and I think hypnosis is an amazing way to get 544 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,920 into a meditative state and to explore your self conscious mind. 545 00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:36,680 I never really addressed my experience, and you know, I 546 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,960 never really wanted to. I don't know why, whether I 547 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,680 was just afraid or what. But I've had some other 548 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,359 interesting experiences under hypnosis, finding my inner guide in this 549 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,200 sort of thing, and which is another situation. It's like, 550 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:53,960 where in the world did that come from? Is that 551 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,720 in my imagination or or is there another dimension going 552 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:03,200 on with all of us? But that's like I said, 553 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,039 I'm very active with hypnosis. I have been in the past, 554 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,719 and I never wanted and I never asked anybody to 555 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,360 take me back. 556 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 4: No, that's why it's something you wouldn't have to go 557 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,519 back to anyway. 558 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 3: Really, now, I really you know, it's there's a yeah, no. 559 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 4: So but we survived obviously, yes I did, which is good. Yes, 560 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:33,000 otherwise you've just proved to us that goes to exist. 561 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,000 But you know, as I say, do you have do 562 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,639 you feel even though you got back on the bike 563 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,719 so to speak, do you sometimes feel when you're when 564 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,360 you're flying a little bit edgy at all? Now? 565 00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, I don't. I don't fly night at all. Yeah, 566 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,519 do you have? And I don't like to fly by myself. 567 00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:59,760 I'd rather have like Coplaint in there with me. 568 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 4: Do you cross the Bermuda try and go to pardon? 569 00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:05,960 Have you ever crossed the Bermuda Triangle? 570 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:10,559 Speaker 3: Since yes, I it's kind of hard not to. 571 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you live in Florida, there's a case that 572 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,400 obviously it doesn't doesn't happen to everyone. What makes you 573 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:19,880 think that? 574 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. And you know, I've, like I said, 575 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,760 I talked to a lot of or I correspond with 576 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,639 a lot of especially students, you know, and a few 577 00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:38,079 adults about the Bermuda Triangle. And for one thing, and 578 00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:43,159 there's another gentleman one case, gion Ksar'm sorry gion Ksar, 579 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,800 who has written some books on the Bermuda Triangle, and 580 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,760 he's on my Facebook. So he's talking about getting back 581 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,320 into another book about and I asked him, I said, 582 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,920 do you think it's changed? Or I emailed him or 583 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,880 facebooked him rather, and I said, do you think it's 584 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,480 changed over the past fifty years? You know he has 585 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,639 there and he said he didn't give me a really 586 00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,880 good answer, but he said that yes, it is changing. 587 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,400 And but one thing is like, uh, the triangle doesn't 588 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:17,800 have specific borders. You know, I know that it it moves, 589 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,440 just like anything else is going to move on this planet, 590 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,159 and it fluctuates, and I definitely think that there's something there, 591 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,159 you know. I'm asked that a lot. Do you really 592 00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,320 believe this or is it a huax? Or what? 593 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:31,039 Speaker 4: I said? 594 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 3: No, because too many, too many big things have happened 595 00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:39,519 and there's absolutely no no clue as to where it is. 596 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,000 And it's kind of like, you know that not I 597 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:47,519 keep wanting them to find Flight three seventy yeah, you know, 598 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:50,559 not only for the family, but just for closure. It's 599 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:54,119 just like and not having these closures causes a mystery 600 00:36:54,159 --> 00:37:01,079 and and it's very scary. It's it's not really scary scary, 601 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,519 but it's it's very strange that that things are happening 602 00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:11,599 and why and and you know, you asked me, and 603 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:15,039 it's like, why doesn't everybody have this experience? It's amazing. 604 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,079 On the different shows I was on, it's amazing how 605 00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:21,000 many people have things happen to them in that area 606 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,760 and don't talk about it or don't say it, you know, 607 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,440 Like this one pilot that was flying me in the 608 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,199 Discovery Channel, he was saying that he was flying between 609 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,400 Puerto Rico and Miami all the time, and one time 610 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,599 they had their plane on automatic pilot and it kept 611 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,960 getting off swerving off of automatic pilot. I mean, there 612 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,519 was absolutely no explanation for it. Yeah, so there's there's 613 00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,400 lots of things that are happening there. It's just that 614 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,559 I happened to tell my story. But I think that 615 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,280 a lot of people have stories and there's something going 616 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,480 on there, whether it's the magnetic forces or or or 617 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:42,840 who knows, uh, you know, the government is doing some 618 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,840 stuff there too. Somebody was saying that there's under under 619 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,519 a water sonar and this sort of thing, and maybe 620 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:54,119 they're just trying to hush up. Yeah. I think that 621 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,039 there is something going on. And I and I know, 622 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,280 I I you know, I think it's that the organization 623 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,800 is an amazing one. But I was up in Florida 624 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,400 not too long ago and there were twenty nine whales 625 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,920 trying to beach themselves in Fort Lauderdale, which is in 626 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,239 the Bermuda Triangle. Now, why would why would twenty nine 627 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,719 whales try to beach themselves? And I think that maybe 628 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,559 are there's something going on with their sonar. Maybe all 629 00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,280 of our you know who knows maybe are all of 630 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,960 this our GPS is and all this stuff is affecting 631 00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:30,719 the sonars of these whales and dolphins, which is a 632 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,679 scary thing to say. So, but and there the jet 633 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,679 dream is going through there, and the get stream that 634 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:44,079 has moved actually some with the with the earth and 635 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,639 everything else, all the stuff that goes on with our 636 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:53,119 weather and everything else. But what do I say, I 637 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,119 can't agree. Let's put it that way. 638 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 4: You're right. And the other thing I wanted to ask 639 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,599 is about your book. Why did you call it Pathway 640 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,000 to Atlantis? 641 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 3: Pathway to Atlantis? I think has we can't find Atlantis, 642 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,880 you know, we people are searching for Atlantis, and they 643 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,199 think that it did exist at some point, a civilization 644 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,519 that was maybe even more advanced than we are right now. 645 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,920 And so I called it because the Bermuda Triangle is 646 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,760 an unstable portal to a parallel world, which is where 647 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,119 the city of Atlantis went to. That's my whole concept. 648 00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:34,480 I kind of liked. 649 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 4: It because there is an explanation. I must admit that 650 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:39,760 Atlantis is in the Bermuda Triangle. 651 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:40,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 652 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, And actually in my book, the basis of it 653 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,960 is that the people of Atlantis knew that something was 654 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,159 going to happen, you know, a big meteorite was going 655 00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:58,320 to hit planet and flooded or whatever, and so they 656 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,840 created a parallel universe. 657 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 3: They were that far advanced. And I have to my 658 00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:10,960 favorite scientist, Can I mention his name? Yes, Mitchell Cuckoo. 659 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,280 In fact, he wrote a book about parallel universes and 660 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,960 they're definitely a possibility, Absolutely a possibility. And so why 661 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,800 not if they're that far advanced then we were. Maybe 662 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,360 they knew how to create a parallel universe and that's 663 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,559 where they went. And uh, and that's what happened, is 664 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:33,199 that the Permi Triangle people that didn't survive ended up 665 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,239 in parallel universe of Atlantis. It's kind of a fun thought. 666 00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:39,199 They didn't die, they just. 667 00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 4: Went where are you going? Hello? 668 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,199 Speaker 3: Hello? 669 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 4: So I seemed to disappear a bit there. I don't 670 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,119 know what I say? Is that enough questions you've got 671 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,000 in the chat room? There is one I want you 672 00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:58,960 to ask from j W. Have you ever been on 673 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,480 the show on Soteries? 674 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 3: Uh? No, I've been on a couple of Discovery channels 675 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,000 about the Remuter Triangle. I've been on the Sci Fi 676 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,960 and the Learning Channel and National Geographic those are the 677 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,800 ones I think that You've got to YouTube and watched 678 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,000 my little where they talked to me about it. But no, 679 00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:22,679 not on Unsolved Mysteries. They haven't asked me. 680 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,639 Speaker 4: No, right, okay, somebody I think somebody thought you might 681 00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:27,559 have been on there. 682 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 3: So no, so I've been on I've been on Sevel, 683 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,239 but not on that one. Right. 684 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,519 Speaker 4: Okay, So one one last question. There was nothing that 685 00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:40,119 actually not knocked too off course during this trip? Was there? 686 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,119 You was on course all the way? Would you say? 687 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 3: Yes, nothing knocked me off. Well, after my little incident, 688 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,400 I didn't know where I was, you know, so I 689 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,480 was I was knocked off course there. I had to 690 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:59,639 get I had to contact Miami and finally and asked 691 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:03,480 them to give me my where I was till, you know, 692 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,039 because they had my they had my plane on radar, 693 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,480 so they knew where I was. I just didn't know 694 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:17,119 where I was and I really wanted to go home, right, Okay. 695 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 4: You got mic. 696 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,199 Speaker 6: Sorry, Just as a pilot, can I just ask it? 697 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,360 Is there such things when you're flying your aircraft in 698 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,840 the sky? Is there such things like air pockets and 699 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,280 things like that drag that could knock a plane slightly 700 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,119 off course, you know, you know, if no one's if 701 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:35,960 no one's watching it. Let's say, like driving a car 702 00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,000 down the road, and sometimes you can hit a pothole 703 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,920 or something like that, or a hole in the road, 704 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,199 and if you take your hand off the wheel, so 705 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,360 obviously the car or the vehicle can be you know, 706 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,840 beer over. So if you if you're flying an aircraft 707 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,960 and someone's let's say, not watching it, or whatever the 708 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,960 case may be, could you could the an aircraft hit 709 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,360 an air pocket or warm warm pocket of air or 710 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,920 something like and can slightly, you know, change the course 711 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,280 of the aircraft. 712 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,679 Speaker 3: Very easily, you can get off course. It doesn't take 713 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,360 a lot, you know. And if you don't have automatic pilot. 714 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,760 I was flying an airplane that didn't have anything but 715 00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:13,840 a magnetic compass and you know, yeah, so it's very 716 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,800 easy to get off of course. 717 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah, no, that's I appreciate that. Thanks very much. 718 00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you. And on the subject of auto pilots, 719 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:24,400 did your plane have an autopilot? 720 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:25,599 Speaker 3: No? 721 00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,639 Speaker 4: Right? Do all planes not have an auto pliant? 722 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 3: A lot of small planes don't have out a. 723 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,599 Speaker 4: Pilot, right, Okay, I'm not I'm not. 724 00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 3: Like I said, it had a magnetic compass and a clock. 725 00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so obviously the magnetic field that was in 726 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,400 the area that caused things to go a bit haywire, 727 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,280 just to clarify everything, and it was obviously during the 728 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,199 Bermuda Triangle, and it gave you an experience that you'll 729 00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:55,360 never forget. 730 00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 731 00:44:56,679 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, thank you for coming on the show. Carry 732 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,400 thank you for the questions in the in the chat room, 733 00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:08,039 and for that we really really please We've got you 734 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,599 on after all this time. Thank you for taking your 735 00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,880 time to come on. Okay, and I'll leave you to 736 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,000 enjoy the rest of your day. 737 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,559 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you so much, and I've really really enjoyed it. 738 00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 4: Thank you, Carrie. 739 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,559 Speaker 3: Oh, I had to say real quick, I worked with 740 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:26,519 the gentleman from Manchester when about fifteen, let's say, about 741 00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:29,159 twenty years ago, I was working in Germany and all 742 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:35,719 he was a hoot. Yeah, he was quite a character. 743 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,519 So I'm quite fond of Manchester. 744 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 4: All right, Okay, well, thanks very much. I don't actually 745 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,840 come from Manchester, but. 746 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 6: Oh I'm from Manchester. 747 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,639 Speaker 1: And I'm a hoop. 748 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,679 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I actually come from 749 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:54,679 down South so okay, but I live up here anyway. Well, 750 00:45:54,679 --> 00:46:00,800 thanks to getting Carrie. Please enjoy your flights, nothing happens 751 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,079 to you again and every success with your book. 752 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. 753 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 4: He's carry goodbye, cheers, bye bye bye, bye bye bye. 754 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 6: There you go. 755 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,639 Speaker 5: That was carry. Treat them and her story. She remembers 756 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:20,880 it from flying through the part of part of the. 757 00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 4: But anyway, we're going to call it a day, So 758 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,960 until next time, all we can say is, you know 759 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,360 everyone 760 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,559 Speaker 2: This is where it's at.