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Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,

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Speaker 2: We got someone or something growing around out here?

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Speaker 3: Does a legend walk among us working in the forests

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of our world?

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Speaker 4: Did you see what it was?

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Speaker 2: Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't

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go Oh, I know as if my thunder light came

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on and I heard happened to glimp and see this

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thing running across the yard A good fight man or

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something works like a man. I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 3: For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,

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and witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around the

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existence of this mysterious entity.

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Speaker 2: Jesus, Hello, get somebody out of here.

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Speaker 5: What's going to announce there?

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Speaker 2: A bit about six foot nine? I don't know, easy

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announce there? Yeah, I'm working right out. Oh, okay, hand on, yeah,

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got you're bigger? Okay, what're you doing in your yard?

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Speaker 3: Join us as we continue into the investigation of the

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Sasquatch Experience. Good everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience from Monday,

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June The Nerland two twenty five. I almost this in July.

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I'll not quite there yet. All right, We've got a

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great show lined up for everybody tonight. But before we again,

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we'll our guest tonight, David of the John. We're going

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to have a quick some quick notes, because the guest

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Our last episode just uploaded with Smelman. Well, I apologize

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for the delay and that folks. It took me a

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we've got some of those long lasting noises and things

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of Bakers again. We've got some great guests lined up

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for much of the summer. We've got Shelley Covington, Montana,

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Alexander Petticov's coming back, Andy McGrath from across the Pond

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Speaker 1: You know, Sean's drug rehabilitation sent himself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean i'd throw I'd throw money towards Vance's audio,

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but that just seems like But anyhow, tonight's guest, as

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you can see down at the bottom of the corner,

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is David's agone. He is a well, he's probably the

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most professional guest we've had on the show besides Doctor

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Meldrum and.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bender Naugle.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I don't know what that says about us,

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but let's hear what we have to say about David.

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A seasoned investigator with over twenty years of experience as

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a certified peace officer and Georgia currently works at a

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crime scene investigations unit in North Metro Atlanta. He's a

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certified latent fingerprint examiner, certified crime scene technician, and a

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graduate of the prestigious National Forensic Academy in Oakridge, Tennessee.

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Zigon's experience includes bloodstained pattern analysis. He's kind of like

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our own dexter, advanced shooting, incident reconstruction, and crime scene reconstruction.

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He's an expert witness in numerous cases involving latent fingerprint

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examinations in crime scene processing. A highly sought after instructor,

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he has served as an adjutant instructor at the National

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Forensic Academy, where he delivered presentations and hands on training

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on advanced fingerprint processing techniques. In addition to his teaching credentials,

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he has acted as a latent fingerprint verifier and structure

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and consultant for various agencies. Now, David is applying his

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extensive forensic expertise to the investigation of bigfoot evidence, including

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analyzing casts and purported dermal ridges found in such casts.

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His goal is to promote a scientifically rigorous approach to

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bigfoot research by educating the community on proper evidence gathering techniques.

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By combining his vast knowledge of crime scene processing with

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his passion for uncovering the truth, Zigon is working to

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elevate the credibility of bigfoot research and help the field

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gain greater acceptance in mainstream science. It's like the Skies

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opened up and delivered us an angel, is what I think.

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Because David, we're so glad to have you on the show.

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Thanks for joining us for one, but two, this is

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some of the things we've been talking about for twenty years,

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and we've had different folks lend credibility, but what is

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absent And this is something I think Matt you can

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really people learning how to collect evidence. And even though

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I'm sure David you've seen the YouTube videos out there

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of people trying to do their best, it's great to

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have somebody with your credentials that are going to say, well,

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you're not going to try your best, I'm going to

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show you how to do the best.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean we have problems even within law enforcement ourselves.

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I mean we're always training new people. You know, we

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have turnover, We're always training people, training people, and you know,

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so I'm not expecting the world when it comes to

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trying to educate and help teach about collecting evidence the

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right way. I mean, we have problems ourselves.

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Speaker 7: So I'm just.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to figure out a way to get into

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this and have fun as well. So if I can

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end up finding some evidence along the way that I go, hey,

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you know that looks kind of interesting, which I've had

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had one lately, which is kind of cool. But it's

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also starting to get me out camping and you know,

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hanging out with some cool people out in the woods

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that I never would have met, kind of opening up

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my door to meeting people outside law enforcement too, which

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is kind of cool because I think, as was it

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at your law enforcement, you can attest that sometimes maybe

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we're a little guarded until we start to open up

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just a little bit. It took me a while to

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know these people, but I'm fairly comfortable and they're a great,

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great group of people. I'm really enjoying myself. But to

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get out of the lab setting and get more into

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the the outdoor setting has been kind of interesting for

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me in regards to looking for Bigfoot because I used

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to be a turkey hunter, so I'm not new to

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the woods. I'm just new to this in the woods.

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Speaker 3: So how do you translate into Bigfoot?

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Speaker 7: All right? Translate how did you get into this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how did you get into this? Like you're credentialed,

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Speaker 6: So it was kind of organic, Like I mentioned just briefly,

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spending a lot of time in the woods turkey hunting.

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and sixty three to almost said degree, three hundred and

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sixty three acres. It was like lease land from a

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paper company, and we used to go out there and

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go turkey hunting. And my brother and I were really

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they're roosting, and I would mark them like you know,

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put a pen in the phone, and then I'd come

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back to camp and tell everybody where they were so

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they could go turkey.

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right for for long periods of time, you know, you know,

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the woods that I can't attribute to a bigfoot, but

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the door for at least keeping an open mind that

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a bigfoot, but I can tell you it wasn't normal.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't an animal, that kind of thing.

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with me, who shared the least with us, he was

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really big into bigfoot, and we used to sit around

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and joke around about it by the fire, and then

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then it became a thing, you know, Like we were

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joking around about bigfoot, always watching the shows, and then

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day I was sitting behind my desk and I was thinking,

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a role in being able to help understand context within

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fingerprints or footprints and whatever substrate they're stepping into, whatever

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it's touching but understanding the context and that distortion to

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help me figure out, you know, which way something was

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moving or how much pressure was being applied. That's becoming

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a new thing with crime scene reconstruction, not just using

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prints to identify things, but to understand what was happening

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when those prints were deposited. So I decided, hey, you know,

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wouldn't it be cool if we just got through talking

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about Bigfoot? Wouldn't be cool if I got online and

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tried to find me some footprints with thermal ridges. Well,

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out until like a year and a half ago. That's

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very few and far between. And then even the credibility

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it gets all muddled and want you know. And then

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photograph was taken incorrectly, and it dawned on me that

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there might be other professionals out there who might have

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a you know, a brief interest. But then they go

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sitting there swiping, you know, click, click, click, you know,

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going from picture to picture because they're honestly looking what

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we just swipe through them and go right by them.

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if I had actually looked at a real Bigfoot impression,

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taken incorrectly, And that's kind of how I got into it.

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Speaker 3: I muted myself. How about that, David, Now you said

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that was the photographs swiping through seeing something that we're

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taking in correctly. When you started getting into that, noticed

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you you know, you had a background and fingerprint, you know,

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latent fingerprints. Did you look at the work of Jimmy

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that and have any conclusions on what he had written

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Speaker 6: I did, But what you just said written, I don't

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believe he's actually written anything. I know he did several interviews,

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he participated and you know mentioned in Meldrum's book. I

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actually did reach out to him to try to acquire

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his his research.

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Speaker 7: If you would say his.

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Speaker 6: I would just say that times have changed. We have

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different types of standards now, you know, and I think

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that's one of the things that needs to be introduced

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into bigfoot research. But as far as fingerprinting and studying

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your prints, you know, back when he was doing it,

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different time period in a different era within the fingerprint world.

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Speaker 7: So now.

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Speaker 6: You know, there was a in two thousand and nine,

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you know, there was a report that came out about

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how horrible forensics and the standards in forensics was across

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the board, especially in the federal government. So different organizations

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popped up about introducing standards. And now for me, you know,

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you know, basically instructions types of classes, then take a

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third party independent exam to become certified once a year,

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I'm sorry, twice a year.

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Speaker 7: I have to.

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Speaker 6: Basically take a third party competency exam. Still and it's

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an ongoing educational process. And now things are expected if

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you're going to call yourself an expert in a field,

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especially during wadir in court, we have to be able

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to articulate what it is that we do and how

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we went through the process. You know, gone are the

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days of being able to say I match this, because

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the interviews, I have to take that with a grain

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of salt because I can't really attack the people that were.

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Speaker 6: But I will say that the Onion Mountain cast that

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they had that big debate about where they talked about

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the friction ridges or the dermal ridges running vertical on

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the outside of that cast, and you know, Matt Crowley

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came out and said those were just artifacts from Waring. Well,

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you know, yeah, I mean he's right, But anyone in

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this field now at a certain level, would be able

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to look at that cast and tell you that I

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don't even need to look those are vertical lines running

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on the outside of the foot, and that is not

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how friction ridges or dermal ridges form on a foot.

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to be towards the center.

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Speaker 7: They will never be on the outside.

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doing research looking for it, and my first thought was,

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I don't understand what the debate's about. So I had

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to open my mind and figure out, you know, how

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Speaker 7: Come into being a debate?

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is if I come out and say, all right, I've

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made this discovery, and you know, say, you guys send

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me a cast, and I go, yes, those are actually

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absolutely dermal ridges. Those are not human, those are not

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bear And we still have a problem. I'm the expert

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that said that we need someone to come back behind

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me and check my work. We need peer review in

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this as well, especially when we're talking about experts. And

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now is we're having we're using experts to fit within

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our narrative, you know that to help.

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Speaker 7: Us, you know, go saha, see this is this is

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totally realized that would be a very difficult thing to

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do because now you have to find someone my skill

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set or hire to check my.

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Speaker 7: Work, because that's how it's done in our fields. Right,

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found that answer very fascinating because you make an excellent

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point of going back and looking at you know, looking

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at the past and a lot of things I think

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that we took for we started to take for almost

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absolutions that these are real bigfootprints and this is why.

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And if you're saying that's done on incorrect findings, based

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on new new techniques and new new learnings, that's incredibly important.

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honest about that and to be able to you know,

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then admit, Okay, well now we've got to look at

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more and and as someone of your background or it is,

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we get more scientifically minded and oriented folks into this,

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you know, we may have to accept some of those

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things and you know, move forward from it. I think

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it's incredibly important what you just said. And I'm glad

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folks got to hear that. Matt and I follow up

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on that.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 8: I'm I'm just I'm just kind of going along with it. So, yeah, I.

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Speaker 7: Had a long day.

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Speaker 8: It worked too, So I'm yeah, as as out hear

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what ire and everything else. I'm just like it's coming

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right back to me because we had a trial coming up.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, now I have a question to for you.

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Speaker 9: David Meldrum has a cast with the dermal ridges, and

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I don't know if you ever had a chance to take.

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Speaker 1: A closer look at those, but if not, I can

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let that go. But if you did get a closer

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look at that, what was your opinion?

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Speaker 7: Can you tell me the name of the cast? I cannot.

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Speaker 1: I know that doctor Meldrum did present these and he

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showed a close up of these dermal ridges that were

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in this cast, and it was it was pretty amazing

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how the cast was done. It was very detailed.

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it off the top of my head.

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Speaker 6: So currently, the reason I asked for the name. Right currently,

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I have somebody sending me some first generation copies of

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some of those really really nice casts that supposedly had

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dermal ridges on them. I've been providing some reports back

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to them, the same kind of reports that I would

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provide to you know, like doing for my job, that

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I would make for courts. So uh, it's the only

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way I know how to do it and to stay

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unbiased while I do. You know, so I've treated it

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like it's a foot impression I recovered from a crime scene.

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when it, when it's over.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I'm not trying to make anyone mad

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or no, no, but uh, one of the things. And

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this is like a science step, but something I think

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again needs to happen more. I kept hearing as soon

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as I started looking into this, uh, it's definitely not

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a bear, because bears don't have dermal ridges, right, And

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I've heard that so many times, and you know, my

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initial thought was, Yep, you're right, because they told me

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in class that you know, these animals have them, and

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these animals have them, but nothing that large. But then

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it hit me that if I was ever gonna call

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something conclusively not a bear, then I should be studying

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bear paus'. So I have I'm working with seven different zoos,

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a couple different sanctuaries who are providing me with pictures

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of paul pads at different times during their life. And

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I have found some really interesting results which has ended

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up it initially started about bigfoot research, but now it's

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actually turned into a professional paper that I'll be submitting

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because it kind of went in a whole new direction

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because I actually did find that in basically two different

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stages of a bear's paul pad's life, that there are

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certain areas on bears or on their pads that can

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resemble human dermal ridges real and once we've you know,

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once I've finished frighten this in documenting it, because I

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do have some great pictures. So basically what happens is

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is you've seen the bottom of dog paul pads, right,

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it's got the little they're called dermal papilay. They're little

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peg like formations right well, on a bear, they start

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off as like little knobs and they don't continue well

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for a little while. They start off as little nubs,

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and sometimes their arrangements can look similar to a human's

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friction ridges. Then what happens is as it starts to

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grow those dermal papillay they'll grow up and they will

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fold over on top of each and they'll create something

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that looks kind of like a line. And it only

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happens in little sections, you know, about the size of

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like a fifty cent piece or something like that. But

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sometimes I saw it takes to accidentally, you know, say hey,

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those are normal ridges, and when we see lines in

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a footprint, we think human, dermal ridges, or the unknown

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that we've been looking for. So I mean you, I

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mean you have to take it all into context. I mean,

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you know, bears have different shaped toes, different shaped feet.

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that double stup and you happen to get something that

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looks like dermal ridges. I could very easily see how

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that could be accidentally misconstrued.

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Speaker 7: For something else.

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Speaker 6: But as far as me doing the forensic work on

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the cast, I figured I needed to know all of

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this to be able to conclusively.

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Speaker 7: Rule out bear.

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Speaker 6: You know that way when I say those don't will

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like human, those don't like bear, Well, what's that leave us?

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don't have an exemplar to say, hey, this looks like

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a bigfoot, you know, but if I can rule out

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human or bear, then I'm left with something. So that's

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really what I'm after.

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Speaker 5: That's a smart approach, I mean that's what we've We've

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always said is kind of look at look at what

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it possibly could be narrowed down, never really say it's

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sasquatch or bigfooter or some other cryptid you know, just say, hey,

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I don't know what this is, but this is what

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I know of of what it isn't, and this is

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what I've learned so far that it could be. With

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what we've learned so far. It's good to have that

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kind of attitude because that way, then you're not fitting

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the you're not fitting the research or the evidence to

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the narrative.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the thing is is I'm instead of just

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emailing back or talking to someone on the phone, I'm

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actually providing reports with my name on them. And I'm

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still active duty, so I have to be careful about

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what I actually put on paper or put in writing

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right now. You know, I actually did a book on

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how to cast in different types of souls and substrates,

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and I was actually asked about that in court about

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three weeks ago. Luckily I had a prepared answer and

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it didn't go as well as they thought it was

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going to go. But nevertheless, they're still paying attention. I

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also know that my agencies. They also are continually looking

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at our social media, especially those of us who are

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participating in so I have to be really careful about

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what I say, how I say it, and especially what

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I put on paper.

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Speaker 7: So if I'm going to do.

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Speaker 6: All of that, then I have to do it right,

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and I have to stay along the lines of how

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we would process that kind of evidence in our lab

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or in the forensic world as far as courtrooms and

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things like that.

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Speaker 3: We do have a question from the chat David, kind

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of along the vane what we were talking about here

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from Troy. Would David feel comfortable submitting evidence to his

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peers to be reviewed depending on the evidence how it's collected.

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Speaker 6: Of course, I have one person that would he's actually

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my h my partner, my partner work. He's working on

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his doctorate in bloodstain right now, and he's really good

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at you know, at friction ridges.

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Speaker 7: Things like that.

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Speaker 6: He's been published a lot. But he would be somebody

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that I would send to. But I think the best

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route for me to do something like that would be

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like a like a blind lineup, you know, kind of

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like a you know, submit pictures and findings without telling

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them anything and just ask for the opinion, because if

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I mentioned bigfoot, or I mentioned do these look human

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or anything like that. I mean just even say does

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this look human? That introduces uh, I'm already introducing bias

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into the findings.

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Speaker 7: So they don't make that will.

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Speaker 6: Be saying, hey, peer review this work I read or

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I wrote a paper about. Let suppose a bigfoot cast,

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but I might get pictures and ask for their professional

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opinion on what they're looking. That would be the better

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route to go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well there's your answer.

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Speaker 7: Gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take our break here real quick, and

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as soon as we are back, we'll continue on with

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this discussion. Folks, Sasquatch Experience, Sean Forker, James Baker, Vince Nesbitt,

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Matt Arno, and our guest tonight, David's Agone. We'll be back.

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Speaker 10: A symbol.

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Speaker 2: Has anyone here witnessed a bigfoot sighting?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Would you please stand that?

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Speaker 5: Would you please stand that?

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Speaker 3: Would you will the real bigfoot witness?

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Speaker 10: Please stand up.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to say your name.

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Speaker 1: I just genuinely want to know what was what was

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your experience? Pasha Ah, Yes, Bigfoot in the pot shop

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kind of made me think there for a minute. Maybe

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I want to rename this segment from the Bigfoot bullhorn

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to the Bigfoot bong. Well, happy uh Monday night to

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you alas were headed face first into the warm season.

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And speaking of Wisconsin bongs. Recently a new sighting was

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reported and placed on the map, and this one is

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in a small city in Wisconsin with a recent population

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of under four thousand, four thousand. What people are bigfoot

478
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:49,880
doesn't really specify the bigfoot sighting reported in Wisconsin on

479
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:53,920
May twenty six of this year. According to the Chamber

480
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:59,200
of Commerce, Chilton, Wisconsin, the county seat of Calumet County,

481
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,359
is a family friendly community. The city is home to

482
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,839
award winning schools and a superior part Oh.

483
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,559
Speaker 7: My god, who the hell cash.

484
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: And it's just about thirty minutes from all major cities

485
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:20,519
in eastern Wisconsin. Now Chilton is also possibly home to

486
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:26,319
a bigfoot. The bigfoot sighting reportedly occurred in Chilton on Monday,

487
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,119
May twenty sixth this year. According to the report, the

488
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,160
sighting of a black, eight foot tall creature included hearing,

489
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,119
wood knocking, and viewing footprints. The report says it was

490
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880
a warm night, so I'm assuming it was dark out,

491
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,359
and the person filing the report and a friend were

492
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,759
walking down a road for the fun of it when

493
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,440
they saw an eight foot tall creature walk or nearly

494
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,279
crawl over the road. Now, come on which one is it?

495
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:01,119
Did it walk or did it crawl? Because if it

496
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,039
was crawling it might be a little bit hard to

497
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,880
estimate eight foot tall. That's just my editorial thrown in.

498
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,839
I frozen shock, Like, what the hell am I supposed

499
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,640
to do? The person filing the report stated, thankfully, they

500
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,119
hadn't parked far away from where the sighting happened, so

501
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,519
they quickly ran back to the truck with their hearts racing.

502
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,880
So what exactly did they see? There could be a

503
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,799
lot of speculation about this reported sighting, but the fact

504
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:38,440
that large footprints and wood knocking were also involved.

505
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 7: Means it could be a big foot.

506
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,759
Speaker 1: The person filing the report cautions anyone thinking that they

507
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:48,279
want to head to Chilton to investigate to be careful

508
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,279
for what they wish for. You don't want to find them,

509
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:55,039
are the final words in the report, after the interviewer

510
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,319
bludgeoned them over the head with their clipboard. Nah, that

511
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,359
part up. When we come back, I'll give you a

512
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,440
dollar if you can guess where we're going. Yeah, I'm

513
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,640
not that wealthy.

514
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,319
Speaker 2: Big foot bullhorn right here on the Sasquatch Experience.

515
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516
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517
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kick this whole thing off. Plus you can purchase one, two,

518
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519
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520
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of gifts and merchandise two from awesome apparel, ware, and

521
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522
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523
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524
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where to get some toy knockers. They make fun gifts

525
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or accessories for the squatch bag. Just visit Gotknockers dot

526
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527
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Speaker 10: Take it hold.

528
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,759
Speaker 1: To the flame. Yes, it's the fifth annual West Virginia

529
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Bigfoot Festival and will be held on June twenty sixth

530
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,400
through the twenty eighth of this month at Holly Gray

531
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:48,759
Park in Sutton, West Virginia. It will be a three

532
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:54,480
day event featuring a variety of activities including famous speakers,

533
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:00,000
live music, vendors, food trucks, and the opportunity to check

534
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:04,880
out the West Virginia Bigfoot Museum. The festival is open

535
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,799
to all ages and is known for its family friendly atmosphere.

536
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,200
Admission is five dollars per adult and parking is free,

537
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or pay five bucks to park and get in for free.

538
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Either way, Thanks again for listening to this edition of

539
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,920
the Bigfoot Bullhorn Bong right here on the Sasquatch Experience.

540
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,880
And as Godzilla always says, to Tokyo, until we meet again,

541
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,720
keep your tone in the mind.

542
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,119
Speaker 3: Got a great show here tonight. Our guest tonight David

543
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,480
Zigone from Bigfoot Forensics dot Com on All Around Great

544
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:51,559
Guys got his own podcast. I've been tuning in listening

545
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:57,519
when I've had some time. I just appreciate what you're doing, David.

546
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,039
You know, and I think it's well well needed.

547
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,079
Speaker 10: Well, I'll give you that.

548
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 9: And that's what I appreciate is the new aspect of it.

549
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,039
Speaker 3: Right why like the the you know, the answer we

550
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,759
gave before the break was looking back at the old stuff,

551
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,880
and you know, using modern techniques and current day learnings

552
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,400
to kind of go through that and it's important. Well,

553
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,160
I think if we have one takeaway, that's going to

554
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,480
be it for you tonight. Go ahead, David.

555
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, you can kind of look

556
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,240
at it like, uh, like a cold case investigation. You know,

557
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,759
we we it Bigfoot's not solved. We have a bunch

558
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,640
of evidence from the past and maybe it's time to

559
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,240
go back and review it and see if we miss

560
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,960
something instead of just taking it or dismissing it, uh,

561
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,640
because we don't. We don't really know right now. And

562
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,880
that's one of the things. I actually belonged to a

563
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,799
Cold case task coorse and say that. You know, you

564
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,640
read through these cases and you think, oh man, you know,

565
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,359
what were they thinking or And that's where I got

566
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:07,680
the mindset. You know, I'm not going to criticize chillcut

567
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,079
because this working on a cold case task force taught

568
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:15,840
me that, you know, times were different, different resources were available.

569
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,639
You know, people were just doing things differently. The mindset

570
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,440
was completely different. So you know, it shouldn't be we

571
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,960
shouldn't be judging what was happening in the past. But

572
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,880
definitely we need to go back and relook at some

573
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,639
of those older pieces of evidence and see if there's

574
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,679
anything that we recognize differently now, especially since we have

575
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,360
new technology, at different mindset and a different way of

576
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,840
doing things right.

577
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: And I think that's very diplomatically said too, like it's

578
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,960
not an attack, it's just using what's available now that

579
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,360
sometimes we wish we would have had back then to

580
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:55,159
get different results that are maybe the correct results. And

581
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,880
that's a huge, huge victory for everybody. We should be

582
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,000
celebrating that. And uh, I hope that leads to some,

583
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,679
you know, really great stuff down the road. But David,

584
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,119
you've been getting out and about and going to different

585
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,239
areas and doing investigations, and why don't you tell us

586
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:12,960
about some of those?

587
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,519
Speaker 6: Oh man, Yeah, I guess I just go with the

588
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:22,360
most recent one. I mean, I've had a few things

589
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,719
that are unexplained. One of my biggest, I would say

590
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,920
pet Peeves for me is I'm putting out, you know,

591
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,039
trail cameras like I did when I was hunting, but

592
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:36,199
now I'm also deploying like long term recording devices. I

593
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,960
can't afford the high end stuff, so I'm using the

594
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,920
zoom h ones and h one ends, you know, just

595
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,119
connected to a power source and and I make you know,

596
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:48,159
I made a little like cylinder to protect them from

597
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:50,679
the weather and stuff like that, and deploying them out,

598
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:54,679
deploying them out with the with the cameras, and you know,

599
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,920
nothing makes you matter that when you get something that's

600
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,360
really strange that you can't can't really you know, say oh,

601
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:06,639
that's this or that's that, and you realize that you

602
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,000
really don't have any evidence unless you have something else

603
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:14,920
to go with it. You know, that singular recording, and

604
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,639
you know it technically means nothing unless I got something

605
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:20,199
else to go with it. You know, kind of like

606
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,079
in court, you know, one thing doesn't mean anything. But

607
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:24,960
if I have a series of things, now I got

608
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,159
a bunch of circumstantial evidence that adds up to something.

609
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,639
But uh, when you get something that sounds like a

610
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:36,039
bunch of tree banging and like someone's almost building a

611
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:37,840
house in the middle of the woods, you know, like

612
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,599
someone's doing construction and it's just a bunch of trees,

613
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,440
you know, banging and knocking, and it goes on for

614
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,480
like three straight minutes and then it just stops.

615
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:48,039
Speaker 7: Out of nowhere.

616
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,599
Speaker 6: That's yeah, it's kind of weird, you know. So I

617
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,519
put that up in my well, that's kind of a

618
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,360
weird thing, you know. And I got that recording.

619
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 7: And then.

620
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 6: That was when we were at Land between the Lakes.

621
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,880
I was with a group manimal research, really yep. And

622
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,239
what I did was that particular recorder was about a

623
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,400
half a mile up on a ridge from our camp.

624
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:14,840
I chose that site specifically because it was on a

625
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,840
point where four different valleys like met so I knew

626
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,559
that if I got found one, it was kind of

627
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:23,079
like putting it in the middle of the big gar,

628
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,559
you know. So you know, we had a big storm

629
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,840
come through. That's why I was laughing when he mentioned tornadoes.

630
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,039
Speaker 7: You know.

631
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 6: We had a big storm come through. A tree fell

632
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,679
on the back of my truck. Luckily, the truck's fine,

633
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:42,920
but the camper, Gill's dead. So after the storm was over,

634
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:44,880
I pulled the truck out into the middle of the

635
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,599
camp and me and my little dog, he was only

636
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:51,039
four months old at the time, we were sleeping in

637
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:55,079
the front seat of the truck and I reached over.

638
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,079
Speaker 7: To touch him. It was like it was three forty

639
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:57,599
three in the morning.

640
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Speaker 6: Because I sent my my recorder's cry and I reached

641
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,280
over to touch him, and I didn't feel him, so

642
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,480
I reached for a flashlight and I hit my car

643
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:10,559
keys and I turned the alarm on my truck and

644
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:13,400
it goes honk honk, and I turn it off just

645
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,280
as fast. And then I'm looking around, looking around trying

646
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,320
to see if I woke up anybody. I'm sure I

647
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,639
had to or nobody came out. But on my recording,

648
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,199
about four seconds after the horns, you hear a loud crack.

649
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,480
It sounds like someone smacking a baseball bat up the tree.

650
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,119
And I was like, oh, when I was listening to it,

651
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,199
I was jokingly I said, I made you mad, did I?

652
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: You know? And then that land between the lakes.

653
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is that land between the lake.

654
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: Then play any of those yeah, sure to. You tell

655
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,280
me which one to play and I'll play it.

656
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 6: Just hit the one that says my car horn.

657
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:58,199
Speaker 3: Okay, and we'll do my best, folks for you to

658
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,960
hear this here.

659
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:15,639
Speaker 1: We away wow, wow, only crap.

660
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:19,119
Speaker 6: So you know, I can't tell you what that is

661
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,639
for what it was. So I can tell you I

662
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:29,639
have done an experiment to check with my recorders, you know,

663
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,039
slamming my car door you know, in the neighborhood and

664
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,519
recording it to see what it would sound like close,

665
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,679
but not it right, because it turns out those recorders

666
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:42,719
are adding a little bit of trouble to the to

667
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,039
the recordings, so but it's not the car door. So

668
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,159
then later on during that night, so that was at

669
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,920
three forty three am and at four it's almost.

670
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:57,519
Speaker 7: Exactly two hours later.

671
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 6: It's three minute long recording, but it's if you're listening

672
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,639
to like the hours of recording. It just goes and

673
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,519
then all of a sudden, all this banging and knocking starts.

674
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,960
It goes for three minutes and then it just stops.

675
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,960
So nothing for you know, the day and a half

676
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,239
before and nothing after. So I don't know what to

677
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,320
make of this one, but there is a lot of

678
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,320
there's a lot of banging.

679
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: You know.

680
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,599
Speaker 6: My joke was it looks not like someone building a

681
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:27,119
house and.

682
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,079
Speaker 7: The yeah.

683
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 9: Jenk st yeah that one yeah sure, yeah.

684
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 6: That one was actually called Lots of woods, you know,

685
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:42,000
wood knocks. That was the recording if you want to

686
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,760
hit it, but yeah, it uh.

687
00:40:53,440 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, h.

688
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 7: M h yeah.

689
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 6: That is a little beaver, so you know, I mean,

690
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,519
and it goes on like that for another minute and

691
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:34,199
a half. I don't I don't know what that is. Unfortunately,

692
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,000
you know, no no howling, no footprints, no sightings, no

693
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:42,760
nothing to go with it, just that, which is frustrating,

694
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,239
and you know, it's exciting and frustrating all at the

695
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,960
same time, because I can tell you if I was out,

696
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,639
you know, walking back from turkey hunting and then I

697
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,239
heard all that commotion going on in the middle of nowhere,

698
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,639
I wouldn't have been happy.

699
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,039
Speaker 11: You know.

700
00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,559
Speaker 6: You know, I can give a tree falling, you know,

701
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,800
a tree to another tree falling, you know, something slowly breaking,

702
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,079
stuff like that, but there's a lot of actual banging

703
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,280
that's happening with that, so I don't know what to

704
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:08,920
make of it.

705
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we just started a little correspondence back and forth

706
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:16,199
tonight on those and you know, the one thing I

707
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,119
commented was that, you know, especially with the lots of woods,

708
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,320
that was very succinct. You know, it was quite on.

709
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,360
It's very compelling stuff. I mean, it's audio right, it's

710
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,559
it's the best we can do, and you know, not

711
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,599
having somebody to visually see it, it's still pretty damn cool.

712
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:41,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting to me, but for me Uh,

713
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,960
that's all I think I can actually say until I can, which.

714
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 7: I probably never will. I'm hoping I will, but I

715
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:51,920
probably won't, don't. I don't know. I'm a little just harden.

716
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,119
Speaker 2: You know.

717
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,599
Speaker 6: You listen to everybody's stories and stuff like that, and

718
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,719
it's it's tough, you know, because you hear animals, you

719
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,159
hear things. And well also, one of the things I've

720
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:04,119
been doing lately is just really studying the crap out

721
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,000
of just different four sounds and different animals, you know,

722
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,119
that make noise. I thought I knew all the animals

723
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,239
that make weird noises at night, but uh, that's just

724
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,039
not the case.

725
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:13,559
Speaker 1: Uh.

726
00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:17,519
Speaker 6: I've been looking some crazy stuff and I'm like, okay,

727
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,440
well that makes sense, you know. And then I found out,

728
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,679
you know, people talking about bigfoots making whistles. And then

729
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:27,199
I found out that the stupid mocking bird you know,

730
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,920
can actually be active at night. And you know, as

731
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,199
I'm like, well, crap, man, what if it hurt a

732
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,559
big foot whistle and it's flying around making big foot whistles?

733
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 7: Now, how do we know the difference?

734
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: You know?

735
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: Well, crap, Yeah, that deepens the question.

736
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: There's so much weird coming out of that area of

737
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,639
the you know, the lb l Uh. There is so

738
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,480
much and I have, you know, watch so many documentaries

739
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,000
and interviews.

740
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,079
Speaker 1: Ah, I don't know what to make of it.

741
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:00,599
Speaker 11: But the.

742
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: Piles of evidence audio evidence, I should add, coming out

743
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,199
of that area is so mysterious. I don't know what

744
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,119
to make of all.

745
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,599
Speaker 7: Of it, but it's creepy. I'll give you that much.

746
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,559
Speaker 6: I will tell you. I did record some very low

747
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:26,760
uh sounds almost sounded like explosions. Chris Blaylock from our

748
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,559
group was able to determine that there's a bunch of.

749
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,639
Speaker 7: Active minds still going on there.

750
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,519
Speaker 6: That was an actual possibility that that's where some of

751
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:40,239
those low it did. It did sound like explosions far

752
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,119
away in the background. And uh, she really you know,

753
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,320
hit the research and came up with that, and I

754
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,239
was very appreciative.

755
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,199
Speaker 4: Now, what would they be mining over there?

756
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,199
Speaker 7: Is still call yep Okay.

757
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 6: I was like, I don't know, but she I think

758
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,840
she found like five or six active minds that were

759
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,719
on southern end.

760
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, that's interesting.

761
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 7: I haven't heard of anything. Okay, I got my homework

762
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:10,639
to do.

763
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:21,679
Speaker 6: Yes, something right, I mean it's the miners, Yeah, I

764
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:25,039
mean it's just, you know, you have to just keep eliminating,

765
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:28,400
you know, something else to add to the mix. And

766
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,079
now you got to wonder, you know, if they're mining there,

767
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,599
how long have they been mining there? How many tunnels

768
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,880
still exist? You know, there's so many different you know,

769
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,280
any more questions you have to ask, you know, have

770
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,880
they actually been sealed up or.

771
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 7: Properly?

772
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,039
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know the answers to all of that.

773
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,320
But the one thing that didn't happen that I was

774
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,400
told would when I got there. I was told that

775
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,159
as soon as I get there, I'm gonna feel you know,

776
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,320
like a weird you know vibe or or was just

777
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,519
heavy or and I'll tell you I felt none of that.

778
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,079
It was just it just felt like I was at

779
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:10,480
a beautiful, you know, beautiful place, and you know, besides

780
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,920
the storms and all the rain, you know, the ticks

781
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,760
were really really bad, and the group. Yeah, I've been joking,

782
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,559
not really joking, but at the time, I think I

783
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,800
posted something like I'm never coming back. And that was

784
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,079
just when I was angry as a tree just fell

785
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:27,880
on my car or on my truck and then I

786
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,239
picks off me and my dog and it's been raining

787
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,119
the whole time, and I was like, man, you know,

788
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,280
it just just isn't like this in Georgia.

789
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 7: Go back to North Georgia, Henry.

790
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 10: I yeah, I have a question for David. What do

791
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,960
you think is the current state forensics when it comes

792
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,039
to big foot and what can be done to improve

793
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:54,639
that state?

794
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,199
Speaker 6: The current state of forensics concerning bigfoot, I would say, yeah,

795
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,960
there's only a select few that are actively participating in

796
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:11,559
different different areas within that. As far as how we

797
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,800
do better, that's something that I kind of been preaching.

798
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:18,159
I think the only thing that those who haven't been

799
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,039
you know, I would say that the next step really

800
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:28,119
if you want to catch the attention of someone like

801
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:31,079
me as far as thermal ridges or foot impressions go

802
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,639
or someone like Darby Orcut for collecting DNA, or you know,

803
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,239
Cliff and Meldrum for looking at you know, the biomechanics

804
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,760
of the foot and stuff like that. When we collect

805
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,960
these things, we got to stop thinking of them as

806
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:50,320
like souvenirs while we're out and start thinking about it

807
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,000
like its actual evidence. And I know it's really easy.

808
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:55,480
I mean when I see it all the time with

809
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,960
beginning police officers beginning crime scene investigators, you get excited

810
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:03,360
when you see something and you get tunnel vision, and

811
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:08,639
your first thought isn't okay, let's secure the scene and

812
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:12,320
keep everybody out. Your first thought is, hey, I want

813
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,639
to show somebody this, right.

814
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 7: I mean, the.

815
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:19,039
Speaker 6: Problem is as soon as everyone starts walking over for all,

816
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,159
you know, you just had people walk across a whole

817
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:25,079
bunch of more footprints or step on some evidence that

818
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:28,440
something got touched. I would like to see some of

819
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,199
these things, like where people are saying someone took a

820
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:33,719
tree and stuck it upside down, someone found some glyphs,

821
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:39,199
someone found tree structures or something like that, instead of

822
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,920
just photographing them and walking away. I'm not seeing that

823
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,760
many people. Now I'm not saying everybody, I'm not seeing

824
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,360
that many people going up and really analyzing these structures,

825
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,519
looking for a hair, looking for areas that may have

826
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,239
been touched. If something may have been touched, or it

827
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,360
was a probability that something was touched in a certain

828
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,480
area because they could have only held it that way,

829
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,039
then maybe we need to be taking DNA samples from

830
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:07,519
those areas as well. So, like one of our prime

831
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,880
examples is when I'm processing something that a scene. If

832
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,239
I see something that looks like a bad fingerprints, and

833
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:18,239
luckily I'm a fingerprint examiner, so I can actually look

834
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,039
at it right then at the scene and tell is

835
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,519
it worth taking is it not? If it's not worth

836
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:26,239
taking for identification purposes as far as matching fingerprints, I'm

837
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,320
swabbing it for DNA, right, So I think two, and

838
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,039
I'm going to get back to catching these science people's attention.

839
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,639
You're going to have to photograph these things, right, and

840
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,320
you're going to have to do it in context. These

841
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,960
photographs of at an angle or from far away looking

842
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,559
straight down, that's great and all, but you know, you've

843
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:55,119
got to have that scale. You've got to get that

844
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,559
camera parallel to the ground, and you have to take

845
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:01,920
pictures of everything inside that impression, not just a whole impression,

846
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,280
but the inside as well, because you got people like

847
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,639
me who were going to want to look at what

848
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,039
happened within the footprint. You know, is are there dermal ridges?

849
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,079
Is there anything showing me the type of distortion that

850
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,000
happened when that foot touchdown? You know, there's a lot

851
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,320
of key indicators that we can look at just from

852
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:24,840
that that depositional pressure when it hits the ground to

853
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,000
where I could go, eh, there's multiple impressions inside here.

854
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:32,840
This is looking kind of fake or you know, suspect,

855
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:35,320
or I can go holy craft, that looks like the

856
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,920
whole thing was deposited all at once. This is something

857
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,719
we really need to take a look at. But you know,

858
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,079
there's all different kinds of ways, and I think it's

859
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,559
going to be really tough. You know, I'm not like

860
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,119
super popular, you know, as far as it goes trying

861
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,519
to get the word out. Plus it requires a lot

862
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:56,840
of work, and you know, ultimately, I think we all

863
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,639
have to decide individually what is our end goal when

864
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,639
we're out doing this. You know, are we trying to

865
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,960
gather evidence and trying to do this, you know, in

866
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,320
a scientific manner, or are we trying to experience things?

867
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,599
And do we even care? You know, I think everybody

868
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,400
has a certain level of where they're at in this

869
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:23,079
type of investigations.

870
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:26,199
Speaker 5: Very interesting, and thank you for some of those points,

871
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,800
because you brought up points earlier about how we need

872
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,559
to look at evidence from the past that today's lens

873
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,039
and in the way, by the way you're explaining is

874
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,400
if we take pictures today and we take evidence say yes,

875
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:41,079
maybe it won't be as useful, but somebody in the

876
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,960
future can look at it with that lens and go Okay,

877
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,320
because they did it right, I've got something to work.

878
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:55,079
Speaker 6: That's absolutely true. In fact, since we started that cold

879
00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:00,239
case unit several years ago, due to that, we've actually

880
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,639
started collecting evidence differently at our police department because we

881
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,639
started seeing things like okay, yes, well, well there's things

882
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:11,639
that we don't know, just like things they didn't know

883
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:13,239
at the time. We don't know what's going to be

884
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,360
happening in twenty years, so we're collecting a lot more

885
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,280
than we normally would, and we're taking samples of things

886
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,519
we normally wouldn't, uh, just in case the case goes cold.

887
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:28,559
So now we're trying to process these scenes like it

888
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:31,360
may end up being cold, just in case.

889
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:34,159
Speaker 7: And it's been. It's been.

890
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 6: It's been helpful actually already because sometimes you know someone

891
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,239
you know trying to do the aha, I gotcha moment

892
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,079
on the stand, Why didn't you know did.

893
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 7: You collect this?

894
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 6: And they're like yeah, We're like yeah, and they're like

895
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,320
why and we're like, well, actually we don't know yet.

896
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 7: You know, we're going to be super honest.

897
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,159
Speaker 6: And said, we took everything, but when we have, you know,

898
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,760
like I said before, you have to decide what your

899
00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:59,760
role in this is and what you want to get

900
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,960
from me. So that's what been one of the questions

901
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,880
that I ask when I run across people out in

902
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,039
the field is what is your goal while you're out here?

903
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,000
Are you trying to have an experience? Or are you

904
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,679
trying to collect real evidence? And if so, how are

905
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,960
you doing it? And you know, can I help or

906
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:20,159
something like that. But if you don't truly care and

907
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,679
you're just out there having fun, well then I can't

908
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:23,719
fault you for that either.

909
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 3: But you never know, Wow, could you believe? Were almost

910
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,000
out of time already? That's a great place to kind

911
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:35,880
of wind it down, David. Where can folks find out

912
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,119
more about you? And you know, pick up your book

913
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:39,480
and tune into your podcast.

914
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:46,159
Speaker 6: So my book is Casting Bigfoot Evidence a guide. It

915
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,840
was made specifically. I originally made it for the crime

916
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,639
scene world. It was something that I wish I would

917
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:56,119
have had when I started all it was already pre

918
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,559
written almost I just went in and changed it to

919
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,480
the to apply to the big footwear. So each chapter

920
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:08,840
is about how to cast your footwear or your foot impression,

921
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,000
and a different type of soil or substrate, and then

922
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:14,960
all the tricks and tips on you know, the things

923
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,599
that can go wrong how to fix that. And there's

924
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:21,159
also a chapter on how to photograph all these things

925
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,119
properly and how to do it in context. So I'd

926
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:25,599
made it as like a little guide where you could

927
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:28,320
just stuff it in your backpack. It's for sale and Amazon,

928
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:33,480
but that's it was my first attempt at trying to

929
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:34,920
help out the big foot field.

930
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,679
Speaker 3: Everybody that's had a copy that I've talked to has

931
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,559
loved it, and our friend Jay has been promoting it

932
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,559
everywhere I've been with him. He's been speaking its praises,

933
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:48,880
so you know, well done. I got to get a

934
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,039
copy myself. I can't say I own one yet and

935
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,800
I'm so on reading, but I do need one because

936
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,440
Matt and I, you know, hit the woods pretty heavy,

937
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:02,400
and you know, I think you know, treating treating evidence

938
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,800
like evidence and not a souvenir. You know, that was

939
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,800
a very strong statement and I think that one's going

940
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,519
to stick stick as well. I think that was very

941
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:17,199
apt and Scott to Tarley, one of our listeners, interesting.

942
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,199
I've always thought when out in the field, I was

943
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,360
looking for evidence and not a souvenir. I guess my

944
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,440
mindset is always an investigative, scientific mindset. I think, Scott,

945
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:31,159
that's something I've got to you know, pretty much still

946
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,400
reinvigor you know when that excitement hits when you see something,

947
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:38,360
stop and think, am I going to contaminate something? Or

948
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,480
am I just happy because I got something I could

949
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take a picture of. But if you're listening to David,

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take a lot of pictures. Just don't step in it.

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Take a lot of pictures.

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Speaker 7: You have all day. It's yours, right.

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Speaker 3: Talent, gentlemen. Any other questions for David before we wrap

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it up. No, no, David, thank you so much for

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joining us here tonight. It went by too brief as usual.

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I'll have to get you back on for a part two.

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Pardon me for keep looking out my window here. We're

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starting to amp up, folks, as you've heard, we've got

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some great guests coming down down the line. Stick with us.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We've been putting a lot of extra content out during

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the week though on the Patreon, and eventually that will

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migrate to our free platforms as well. So just stay tuned.

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You don't know when we're going to drop new stuff

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your way. And until next week, Henry, drop your words, buddy.

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Speaker 8: You'll be to be good.

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Speaker 3: There you go West, you next week or in two weeks.

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Speaker 7: Keep on squatching.

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Speaker 7: Keep on squatching