Speaker 1: UFOs nuclear missiles and a twenty year old kid alone
in the fog at two in the morning.
Speaker 2: It's foggy. It's very foggy. There's a large stadium type
light over the missile site to light it up, and
so the figure started walking towards me and I realized
there was something wrong here. I backed into the guard shack.
Felt like a trapped animal, trapped in a corner.
Speaker 3: And when he woke up, he wasn't on the ground anymore.
Speaker 2: Inside this circular room, I'm on my knees and looking
out that window.
Speaker 3: And before they brought him back, they had a message.
Speaker 2: We're not going to lie you to out of nuclear war,
but if we have to intervene, he says that it's
between us who's going to get the spoils.
Speaker 1: So what really happened at Vandenberg Air Force Base in
September of nineteen sixty four. Let's find out. Hey everyone,
I'm Matt Ford, and welcome to the Good Trouble Show Tonight.
Speaker 3: We have two very special guests.
Speaker 1: On your left is a man whose story Robert Hastings
considers one of the most remarkable he has ever documented.
In September of nineteen sixty four, Richard Barth was a
twenty year old Air Force security guard stationed at Vandenberg
Air Force Base in California, the epicenter of American nuclear
missile testing. What happened to Richard on a foggy night
that September has stayed with him for over sixty years. Richard,
thank you for being here and for your courage and
telling this story now on your right as a man
who needs no introduction to our audience. Robert Hastings is
the author of UFOs and Nuke's Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear
Weapons Sites. He has interviewed over two hundred former Air
Force personnel about UAP incursions at nuclear weapons facilities, and
he has been a friend and guide to this show
since our very first conversation on this topic.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: So, Robert, you have spent decades collecting testimony from Air
Force personnel about UAP incursions.
Speaker 3: At nuclear weaponsites.
Speaker 1: I think it's what over two hundred witnesses or even
more than that.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm sure I've spoken to several hundred, but the
core of the interviewees I number one hundred and sixty nine,
Richard being the one hundred and sixty ninth. But yes,
many many Air Force veterans who were involved in nuclear
weapons related UFO incidents. I began in nineteen seventy three,
and about five or six years ago, because of advancing
age and some health issues, I really got out of
the investigations business, so to speak. But recently I've been
approached by three individuals, including Richard, who have amazing stories
that really need to be followed up on and equally
important need to be publicized. Richard's story is quite dramatic
and very integral to what I've done for all these years.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree, and again so happy to have you
back on the show. You've been such a great friend
to me and especially to the show and the people
that you've brought along on what I think is one
of the most important elements of the whole UAP discussion
is the tie to nuclear nuclear weapons. So Richard, welcome,
Welcome to the show, and super super glad to have
you on.
Speaker 3: Walk us through.
Speaker 1: How you ended up at Vandenberg Air Force Base in
nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3: I understand you were a young man in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: How does someone end up starting off in LA and
ending up guarding various missiles at an Air Force base.
Speaker 2: Well, I was a student at Pasadena City College on
a pre med major, but my grades weren't very good,
and I graduated the CEA average, and back in those days,
if you didn't have a B plus average, you weren't
even going to transfer to a university level. So I
decided join the Air Force and as a medic actually,
and he said, well, you have a two year college degree.
You know, we have a program here. We're going to
train some undergraduate navigators and would you be interested in that. Well,
I was really interested in that because I had been
in Civil Air Patrol and very interested in flying. So
he said, we'll go down and take the test and
we'll see you go from there. So they sent me
down to LA. It was an all day test. It
covered everything from psychological spatial relationships to map reading. It's
just very extensive and I passed that. So after that
they sent me for the flight physical, which is very extensive.
I passed that and he says, well, you're in. We
just need to have a class for you. That took
couple of months to have an opening in the class,
and that came and I went to James Connley Air
Force Base in Texas and was an aviation cadet for navigation. Unfortunately,
when we got to the celestial navigation part, I was
starting to have difficulty. I was transposing a lot of numbers.
They gave you two chances to pass your flight test
and I failed both of those. So basically I washed out.
And when I joined, I was under selective service. I
joined under selective service. That was a enticement to go
for this program. So I had served a total of
two years plus reserve time. Well, and cadets said served
eleven months before I washed out, so I had thirteen
months left. That was not a lot of time for
training into a particular field. So they said, you know,
you can choose your base or you like to go.
So I chose Vandenburg Air Force Base primarily because it
was close to my home, about a four hour drive
and I can take my time off and go home
and be with my friends.
Speaker 5: Was the incentive to go there.
Speaker 1: I would imagine with today's traffic in LA, that four
hour drive would probably be more like a six hour drive.
Speaker 5: Sure it would be yeah, go go ahead, sor back
then it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, oh, I'm yeah, it's a hate
la traffic. So Richard, describe Vandenberg for our audience. Paint
a picture of what this place actually was like in
nineteen sixty four, what you were guarding, and what was
the scale of what they were doing.
Speaker 3: Let's say that I have no idea what happens at Vandenberg.
Speaker 2: Well, Vandenberg had originally been an army base. In the
nineteen sixty it was converted, it was transferred over the
Air Force and became a missile base. And primarily what
they did was test missiles and then they did some
satellite launches. The spy satellites were coming into vogue back then,
and we had a lot of like the Thor missiles.
During the Cuban Missile crisis, we were or we took
the Thor missiles out of Turkey and we sent them
all to Vandenberg. And they were ideal for launching satellites
because they were intermediate range. They weren't ICBMs, but they
could get a satellite into the lower orbit where they
wanted them, and that was one hundred miles hundred and
fifty miles or so. But we also had other missiles
that we were testing the Atlas missile which they used
for the Gemini program, and that's what John Glenn flew upon.
That was an outdated ICB, but it had a lot
of uses for the heavier satellite launches and some testing.
We could test warhead re entries, you know, I don't know,
I'm sure you know Robert Jacobs, since that was an
Atlas myth, so that he was following, and that was
to test the warhead itself.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 2: We had Titans, which for the current ICBN. The advantage
of Titan it was solid fuel, or not solid fuel.
It was liquid fuel, but it was room temperature so
he could start in the silo without having a fuel
it just before launched, so it could be launched immediately.
And then of course a minute Man, which was our
front line ICBN. It was solid fuel. We could launch
straight out of the silo at about a five thousand
mile range, and it was it was. We haven't changed
it that much. We're still using basically the same missile
right now. The missiles were never armed, mostly because Vanderberg
was very vulnerable. You can drop a bomb in the
bay on the ocean, just create a tsunami and take
take the base out, but it was excellent for testing
because it was on the ocean. You can launch over
the ocean down the Pacific Test range, and so it
was ideal for testing in north south satellite launches, which
put an advantage over Cape Canaveral because they did east
west we did, and that gave us more coverage of
the Soviet Union.
Speaker 3: So Richard, this sounds like this.
Speaker 1: This Air Force Base Vandenberg strategically was very important to
the United States of America.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, almost anything that we put out actively first was
tested at Vanderberg.
Speaker 1: In terms of missiles, now tell us about the night
shift at a Minuteman missile site. So you spoke about
the older missiles, So now we're talking Minuteman. Because I
think people kind of sort of think of a facility
like that as kind of like a you know, high alert,
dramatic situation. But from what I understand, it was actually
quite different.
Speaker 3: When you were there on guard.
Speaker 5: No, it was not very high alert.
Speaker 2: There wasn't certain areas, but it wasn't particularly on most
of the missile sites, and they would put a single
guard on each of the sites. If it was high alert,
you'd have double guards, one man to watch the other
everything with double man policy, but Vandenberg or the minimen
site was basically just one man on the missile site.
Vandenberg was very stretched along the coast between Point Salad
and Point Aguilos, so there's about a twenty mile stretch
that that ace covers. The minute men were all the
way to the north by Point Style, the last of
the silos. They were right on the ocean. We had
about ten missile sites there and they were and the
launch center so that there would be one guard in
each missile. We split our shifts so that you did
three swings, three nights, three days, three off, so we
weren't always on the night shift. But being on the
ocean at night, it was often very cold, often foggy,
and you're about a quarter of a mile half a
mile from the next side of so you're really out
there in the middle of nowhere. And that was not
considered cushy duty by any of us, and we didn't
like to get out.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it, So at the beginning of
your shift, would everybody just load up in a pickup
truck and they would just drop everyone off at their
guard shack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was we had a guard mount.
Speaker 2: Then we had four squadrons, three squadrons on duty and
one squadron off at the time, and they covered the
different swings nights in days, and so I was on nice.
We'd have guard mount, then we'd load our weapons and
then we'd get on the pickup truck and we'd go
out to our sites. Mostly we carried thirty eights. We
had we qualified and in one carvings which were wead
ten tons after an hour slinging that on the shoulder.
But so we all went and qualifying for thirty eight
police specials.
Speaker 1: But it so what you know while you're on duty.
It's not like people are driving by all the time.
You're just kind of dropped off and you're alone for
most of the evening.
Speaker 5: Not on the night shift.
Speaker 2: The only one you're going to see the whole night
is you're started to drop by and give you your
box launch and then take off and you won't see
him till morning when they pick you up.
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't think I would have lasted in that job,
would have fallen asleep on duty.
Speaker 3: So let's jump to September of nineteen.
Speaker 1: Sixty four, walk us through that night as slowly as
you can what you saw, what you thought, and when
you realized this was not what you initially assumed it was.
Speaker 5: Well it was.
Speaker 2: It was a foggy night, which is not a typical
the launch sights. We had a little guard check in
front of a fence that guarded the actually garden. MESSO
had ADT alarm system and so nobody was really going
to get in there without triggering the alarm. But they
had us sitting at the gate at the entrance gate
and a kind of a broken down on guard check
it was, and most of them didn't even have electricity.
But we did have a telephone in there, so technically
we were supposed to call make a call every half
hour to command post, but it was very boring and
command posts was bored and we didn't make those calls.
Usually we just, if anything, just to keep awake, we
would call each other's post and try to keep awake.
So between the guards we didn't really understand why we're
even out there, because it was you know, if they
had a missile that was ready to fire or arm,
they didn't mean put a guard on it, so but
they did so, and I think they were just copying
what was going on in malsterm or something. So it's foggy.
It's very foggy. There's a large stadium type light over
the missile site up and that created what was like
a dome. From where I was sitting in the guard shack,
I can see probably thirty yards in front of me,
and naturally the missile sight behind me was let up.
So the sergeant had just come by given me my
box launch, which had been roughly two o'clock in the morning,
and he just left. And so I'm sitting there. I
ate my lunch and then I have nothing to do.
So I'm sitting there and I could see this figure
in the fog in front of me about thirty yards away,
which looked like and it was coming out of the fog.
And I thought, well, the sergeant came back, but why
would he walk back?
Speaker 5: Why didn't he drive back? Because this was about a.
Speaker 2: Hundred yards off the road, and there's a little entrance
road that came from main road to the this is
so I didn't see why I just didn't drive down
like he did when he delivered the box lunch.
Speaker 3: Are you hearing like footsteps?
Speaker 2: Like I could just see this shadow that's basically it's
a shadow, and it was wearing like a trench coat
or similar to the raincoats that the officers had, and
he had had a garrison type cap on. So I
just thinkured, well, that's not a sergeant. So I wonder
if one of the officers is just checking up on us,
and because there was some moral issues out there, and
so the figure started walking towards me, and I realized
there was something wrong here, and I kind of felt
that it was I felt his presence. It was not
like it was just there, but I felt it inside
of me. And I got scared and I was going
to pull my gun, and my right arm was literally paralyzed.
I couldn't even move my right arm pulling my weapon,
and the figure just kept coming at me. And then
I became terrified, and so I backed into the guard
scheck and at the back we had don't know show
where they had the telephone, and I backed into that
and I remember literally trying to back push the back
wall out to get out. I felt like a trapped animal.
I trapped in a corner. And when the figure came
towards me, it had normal humanoid features on height, but
I cannot remember the face. There was something about that
face that terrified me. But if my brain just won't
take it, just i'd see a blank when I can't
see that face even now. But whatever it terrified me.
And the next thing I knew, I just passed out.
Speaker 1: I was out since that something was wrong about him
as he was approaching. Was this something you picked up
on before you sort of felt his presence.
Speaker 3: In your mind? Was it maybe his gay or some
kind of us He.
Speaker 2: Was controlling me. You have to obviously control my right arm,
and I felt like he had control of me. There
was It's hard to explain, but I just didn't feel that.
I just felt he was a threat that he obviously
paralyzed my right arm. I couldn't pull my weapon. I
felt like he just inside my head, and probably was
he was controlling me. He had the inside my head
somehow telepathically.
Speaker 1: Did that feeling intensify as he got closer? And do
you recall trying to fight the sensation?
Speaker 5: I was just pure terror.
Speaker 2: I couldn't describe what the terror was like other than
the say I could my analogy to a rat trapped
in a corner from the cat. You know, you can't
get out of where you're going, and there's nowhere to go,
there's no fighting flight response, can't fight, and you can't
can't flee. So it was terrible. It was just pure terror.
That's all I can say. Enough that I passed out.
Speaker 1: Do you recall thinking all that this was something not
from here or did your mind even have the time to.
Speaker 2: I didn't have time for that. I was just terrorized,
that's all I could tell. I was so terrorized that,
you know, I just went blank. I remember trying to
push the back out of the guard shack, and I
remember that shelf digging into my back, and then I
just go blank.
Speaker 1: Do you recall this being saying anything to you as
you're approaching.
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really communicating with me, with me when it
came came towards me. It just had control of me,
that's all I could say.
Speaker 1: So you pass out, and the next thing you know,
you're somewhere else entirely tell us where you are and
what you see when you sort of come.
Speaker 2: To Okay, Now, the next thing I know, I'm inside
this circular room probably fifteen feet across ten feet fifteen
I'm not real good at judging distance, and I'm on
my knees the floor. It's kind of concave, and there's
about a three foot three and a half foot circular
like a window right in the middle of the floor.
And I'm leaning and looking out that window, and all
I can see is fog, basically, and I'm aware of
the presence of this entity on my right. And now
the communication is and it's telepathy. Don't look over it, mean,
just keep looking out the hole. It looked like a hole.
It didn't look like it was covered with glass or anything.
But one thing I did notice. I expected some cold
air to be coming through something, and it wasn't. So
there was a barrier, some sort of barrier between myself
and the in the outside. You know, I'm not even
sure it was project It could have been a projection
for all I know. But it looked as like a
like a round window that you're looking through and there
you could just see the fog that was it, and
there entity to my right saying just keep looking out
the window, don't look in my direction.
Speaker 1: Did you sense any sort of vibration, motion, altitude, or
any anything that would have maybe given you a clue
as to where you were right away.
Speaker 2: But as I'm looking out this window, the fog began
to separate, and I'm looking down. Now I'm about one
hundred and one hundred and fifty feet up. Again, I'm
not that great at touching distances, but I'm on a
post that's down the road, about a quarter of a
mile across the street. It was designated D eleven. I
knew all the posts by because I'd guarded all of them.
And the light is just starting to get light. It's
like early dawn, and I can and I'm looking straight
down and I could this flatbed Air Force type truck
pulls up.
Speaker 5: It's loaded with pipes.
Speaker 2: And then the guard comes out of his shack and
he's on the right side of the track the truck.
He goes over to the window, I assume the teck id.
He goes opens the gate, lets the truck in. He
goes back in his shack, and the fog closes in.
So now I'm just still looking down this hole with
or at this hole with the with the and it's
foggy again in the end, and he says, now, don't
look at me.
Speaker 5: But I was.
Speaker 2: Curious where I was, and I kind of raised my
eyes to the top of my head, and then I
could see across this round room and there were about
ten feet away from me, maybe a little less. There
were four figures sitting down there, and they were small
humanoid figures, but disproportionate. They had the large sheds and
probably you know, it's hard they were sitting, so I'm
going to guess right around four feet tall or something
like that. The room itself was the light that came
in there outside of what made it come up through
that hole was back lit, and I'm assuming that was
from the wall because there was a common texture light,
dark and gray is what it was. And so the
figures were kind of sillowetted. There's enough that I can
kind of make out some of their features, which was
primarily the large eyes and there it was a round head.
Speaker 5: It didn't have the.
Speaker 2: Point of gin like you see some of the picture.
But it looked like a baby, a newborn baby. It
was purpor some of me, like a newborn baby, except
it was no hair, no ears, large eyes, and from
what it can make out, very small nose and mouth,
but not real clear. It's more like silhouetted figure, just
barely visible. And they just sat there They didn't do anything.
They just sat there. They were between the figures are
two and two, and between them was a little gap
I assumed might have been a door or something to
the room, which means because I felt like I was
in a room inside something larger. And so at that point,
that's that's the end of that next thing. I know,
I'm back in the guard Jack, except I'm on the
floor on my back with my head on an entity's lap.
Speaker 5: And now the.
Speaker 2: Entity is communicating with me, and it's basically Paul that
it had scared me so badly, and it kind of said,
but we needed we needed to get some information.
Speaker 5: From the missile site. Now, how they got that, I
don't know.
Speaker 2: How they got past the ad T into the into
the computer section, I don't know, but they that was
what they were after.
Speaker 3: Apparently, I want to jump back to when you were
in the ship.
Speaker 1: So when you look at the four figures, did any
of them react to you being observed?
Speaker 2: No, they just sat there. You could tell their posture.
Their heads were on their knees and they just sat
there and like they were observing me, but not interacting
at all.
Speaker 1: So you come to inside this craft, was was there
any noise.
Speaker 3: Did you smell anything in particular.
Speaker 2: No, it was it was quiet. I expected it would
be cold from the hole in the appeared to be
a hole in the floor, but it was quite comfortable. Actually,
I was, you know. My observation was that it was comfortable,
and I wondered why, because that it didn't look like
it was covered with glass. It just looked like a hole.
But the one thing I noticed there was no embarkation
between the room itself looked like it was molded, and
the bench that they sat on was just an extension
of the wall that was behind them. And the floor
It's just like it was molded, And there was no
real embarkation between the circle, the clear circle, and the floor.
Didn't look like there was a joint or anything like that.
It looked like it was all the same material, except
for the circle was clear and the rest of it.
Speaker 5: Was dark gray.
Speaker 2: My impression was because I knew I had been so scared.
I could remember what had happened, but very calm, like
I don't know if they in the interim they had
sedated me or somehow. I just felt very calm. I
wasn't afraid. I wasn't afraid of the figures. I was
just very calm. Now, I'm just kind of curious of
what's going on here. I have no idea why they
showed me some idea eleven other than they wanted me
to see it, maybe just show where I was or something.
Speaker 1: So do you think that that calm was something you
arrived at naturally or do you think it could have
been induced?
Speaker 5: I think it was induced.
Speaker 2: If you go from that degree of terror to call
you don't do that, I mean that was I was terrorized.
The next thing I wake up, and you know, at
the point I black out, and then I wake up
and I feel calm. The only thing I'm totally aware
of is the figure to my right saying don't look
over it and just keep looking through the hole.
Speaker 1: Do you think the figure on the right was the
same being that approached you on the ground.
Speaker 2: I think, so, okay, good, look, so I could I
felt like it was the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, while you're on the ship, do you recall how
it felt and what I mean by that? Did it
feel like you're in any sort of dream state or
as real as you and I talking right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Just like no, it's very conscious, very awake. I'm very
curious to what's going on here. Even when I saw
the figures, they didn't scare me, and they just looked
at me. And just I must have been sedated, you know,
because I didn't really have much reaction to what was
going on. But I was aware of what was going on.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like sedated like when you go to
the doctor had to have some procedure done and you
feel a little high.
Speaker 2: I was just I just felt okay, and I just
felt horrible. I felt felt at ease, the best way
to put it. I just felt at ease. I wasn't scared.
I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I just felt at ease. That's all I could see.
A little curious is why you wouldn't let me look
at him? I was a little nervous about this figure
on my right, but I wasn't going to look at
him because he kept communicating go look at me.
Speaker 5: But I wasn't threatened by him either.
Speaker 1: And while your while your head is in this being's lap,
what did that?
Speaker 3: Do you recall?
Speaker 1: What that physical contact felt like? Was their warmth? The texture?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was warmed. I mean I could feel
that I was in his lap. It's you know, the legs,
and that it's like laying down in somebody's lap, you know,
on their legs. I'm on my back, I have my
eyes tightly shut, and again this telepathic message, don't open
your eyes, keep your eyes shut.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 2: Again it was almost to the other extreme. He was
apologizing for an ecloony because you know, originally my impression
was it was Neil and I.
Speaker 5: Just felt wonderful.
Speaker 2: Really, it wasn't just at ease, and now I felt really,
really good. The only thing I could describe it is
I felt like a baby would feel when it's suckling
at his mother's breast. He just feels like almost a
euphoric type feeling that I was feeling at the time.
Speaker 1: And it apologizes for scaring you. And then what else
does it communicate?
Speaker 2: Communicated that it's necessary that they get some data out
of the missile stylo, and basically that they couldn't allow
us to go to nuclear war, and that it was
necessary for them to find a way to stop us
from launching these missiles. And so he explained why they
were there. But so said one other thing. Are communicated
with everything he says, you know, you're very lucky. We're
very benevolent, he says, but we're not all benevolent. So
that suggested that there's more than other people out there.
And he said, we're not going to lie you to
out of nuclear war, but if we have to intervene,
he says, then it's between us who's going to get
the spoils. So that gave me the impression that between
them they didn't get along all that well. They had
some sort of agreement and unless we launched these missiles
that they weren't going to do or intervened, But that
didn't sound like they all got along to me.
Speaker 3: Now here's what I keep coming back to in my head.
Speaker 1: So they didn't leave you unconscious on the ground they
come in, or this being comes in, you're in the guard.
Speaker 3: Shack and you pass out.
Speaker 1: But as opposed to sort of leaving you there, at
that point, you're incapacitated. You're not going to be interfering
with whatever they're trying to do at the launch facility,
they take you aboard that craft, and again they could
have simply incapacitated you and just you know, kind of
gone about their business. Do you think you went from
being an obstacle to being an opportunity.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, sometimes I look back at
it and I wonder if if you know, I've heard
of people dying or you know, from fear, and you know,
the possibility I went into cardiac arrest and they had
to revive me. Maybe the reason they took me aboard
the craft, But I don't know. That's just speculation. All
I know is that I went from the guard shack
to the to the craft and then back to the
guard shack, you know, the guard check on the floor
when the minute, and I wasn't incapacitated at that time,
other than I was just communicated don't open your I
could move, you know, I wasn't paralyzed or anything.
Speaker 5: I'm just comfortable.
Speaker 2: Then he said I'm leaving, he says, but don't open
your eyes. He says, I'll be leaving and just stay
there and don't open your eyes. So I complied. I
just laid there for ten fifteen minutes and IM sure
he was gone. I really didn't want to see him,
you know, and I wanted to be sure he was gone.
So then I got up, and now the sun's coming up.
There's a ridge of mountains at the at the east
of the missile complexes and meta that area, and I
could see the ocean. It was it was beautiful because
the sun was just coming up and I kind of
lit up the ocean. And then I looked down and
I saw this little chipmunk and I felt, that's such
a sense of love for that little chipmunk, like I
was really connected to it. It was just like an
epicy you know, we're all all here together, we're all
living forms, and a little chuck monk looked at me,
and I looked at it, and I got that feeling
of connection, and it just scurried away. And then probably
twenty minutes half hour later, my relief came. And now
the memory's starting to fade, and I guess that's my suggestion.
So the guard came down the little connection road. I
went up. I could have These were cab pickup trucks.
They had the backseat to them with four doors, and
I could have gotten inside, but I didn't want to.
I got in the bed of the truck and I
just leaned against the cab and I was well aware
that something happened. But now the memory's fading, and I
can't place. It just awareness something something went on, but
I didn't know what. And the other guards that were
riding back there, they kept calmenty how quiet it was,
because usually that's the jovial time when everybody finally off
duty and you know, now we're going to go back
and get some brakfast and there's some some joking and talking,
and I just sat there quiet, and they said, what's
wrong with you, Bart, you know? And I just that's
all right, just leave me alone, you know.
Speaker 1: Sure, But the other people weren't in that same state
of mind, so whatever happened likely just happened to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And at.
Speaker 2: Least in that time, they could have happened another guard
that Roberts, might have some other incidents that occurred to Vandenberg,
But this was my night.
Speaker 6: I guess.
Speaker 1: How much how much time do you think passed between
when this being left and you see this chipmunk? Is
it a matter of minutes or is there some amount
of time that passes?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: I lay there for about ten fifty minutes that I
got up. You know, notice how beautiful the scenery was
with that ocean. It just impressed me that I saw
the little chick monk sitting there. So that was the
time lapse between the time I lay there with my
eyes shut and decided to get up. So ten fifteen minutes.
It went long after the being.
Speaker 1: Left, and after the being left, did the thought come
to you, I'm going to get on the phone and
tell tell my superiors what occurred? Or were you in such
a state of shock that that was was.
Speaker 2: A state of uphoi. I saw that little chipmunk. I
love that little chickmunk. I couldn't I couldn't explain how
much I love that little chipmunk. I just felt deep,
deep love for that little chipmunk, and I felt connected
to it, like there's a spiritual connection between myself and
this little chipmunk.
Speaker 5: It was. It felt good. It just felt good and tired,
really tired and exhausted.
Speaker 1: It almost sort of sounds like after anesesia from a surgery.
Speaker 3: You know, you're erephoric, you're.
Speaker 1: Happy, feels like no time has gone by, and then
after some period of time, your memory of all of
that experience.
Speaker 3: I mean, you certainly don't remember the surgery part. No.
Speaker 2: I just felt tired, exhausted, couldn't quite remember what went on,
And it kept by the time I got in the truck,
I really couldn't remember much anything. I just was tired
and exhausted, yet aware, you know what happened? Why do
I feel this way? Something happened. I was aware something happened,
but I couldn't detail it at all. Just knew something
that happened, and so I just wanted to be by myself.
I wanted to contemplate why did I feel that way?
Speaker 1: Now two weeks later, the memory floods back all at once.
Speaker 3: What was that like? Waking up and suddenly having the
full experience return?
Speaker 2: It was like watching the movie almost just from the
time I saw the shadow and the coming out of
the fog until the time I was on the floor
of the guard shacked looking at the little chipmunk. It
just played out like a movie in three sections. There
was the section where the figure came to the guard shack,
the figure, the inside the craft, and now laying back
on the floor of the guard shack seeing the chipmunk.
That I'll just played right out and vivid detail. It
wasn't like like a dream.
Speaker 5: State at all. It was very vivid. It was just.
Speaker 2: And I looked over at my roommate because now I thought,
oh God, something really happened. And I looked over my
roommate and he was asleep, because I wanted to right away.
I wanted to say, hey, now I remember what happened.
Back then, I had this nagging feeling that something happened,
but I couldn't remember what it was. But there was
a nagging feeling like ever since. Between the incident and
the time I recalled it, there was this nagging feeling
like something that happened, but what you know, I didn't know.
And then it was like, oh, this is what happened.
And I wanted to tell my roommate right away, but
he was asleep. So I got up and I got
dressed and got one near that breakfast is the prayer route,
one of the early things. And I was walking to
breakfast and I got to tell somebody about this, you know,
I got to report this to hire authority.
Speaker 5: And then two things with me.
Speaker 2: One I thought, no, they're going to think I'm crazy,
you know, how can I tell them?
Speaker 5: And then it was like don't say.
Speaker 2: It was like I had a command, You're not going
to tell anybody about this.
Speaker 5: You keep quiet.
Speaker 2: And so I've I felt that now that I was
aware that something had happened and that they had some
telepathy with me. I felt, okay, I'm going to listen,
I'm hearing this or feeling this, or I'm not going
to say anything.
Speaker 5: So I didn't. I just kept it to myself.
Speaker 3: And for how long did you keep it to yourself?
Speaker 5: Well, for a long time.
Speaker 2: First of all, when I was discharged, I had signed
a non disclosure agreement about anything I saw or heard
on Vandenburg Air First Base, and that was that.
Speaker 5: Twenty year window to it.
Speaker 2: And second, anytime I felt like I wanted to tell somebody,
it was like I had a pre command, no, don't
say anything, like I was hypnotized in not saying anything
about it. And then I had the threat of a
non disclosure agreement which could beal time. So I just
didn't say anything for twenty years until that expired. Yeah,
go ahead, No, it's just.
Speaker 5: That was it.
Speaker 2: I just waited twenty years. I was aware all the time.
In fact, at that point I started reading science Isaac Asimov,
which is good science fiction.
Speaker 5: Anything I could.
Speaker 2: Find on UFOs, I would look into it and see,
if you know, try to find some sort of answer,
because I full knowledge, you know, from the time it
came back to me. That stayed with me. It never
went away, and that was very disturbing to have that
in my background and keeping him buried inside of me.
It was so I'm very interested. I didn't have real
strong UFO feelings or sense of that before I went
to that happened. You know, I was aware of Betty
and Marti Hill. I've read that, but I had no
real thing about extraterrestans. It wasn't something that really interested
in me. Now I wanted to know everything about him,
and so, you know, there was a major Kiho he'd published.
I think around that time.
Speaker 5: I read his book and I wanted to know. I
wanted to know what happened and who knew about it,
And then Roswell came out.
Speaker 2: I think that was probably the first, you know, public
sense that there's other people of credibility that could come
out with some information, and so I just carried it
with me. That was all I could tell you. It
wasn't comfortable carrying it with me, but I didn't want
to tell anybody either.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first person that you actually told
about all of this twenty years later?
Speaker 2: The first one I told in detail with my friend
Lonnie because she was a she had a DHD in
psychology and she's actually regressive hypnosis with her specialty. And
I actually thought maybe if I told her, she would
want to do something to help me out, you know,
maybe regress me. But she kind of didn't want to.
She just felt that it is not she did past
life experiencement. She wasn't into this type of thing. She
just didn't feel qualified at the time, but she believed me.
I mean, she's very good at body language.
Speaker 5: She thought.
Speaker 2: I was obviously quite disturbed when I was telling her
about it, and she said, well, I could tell you're
disturbed just talking to me. So said, she said, I
believe something happened to you. And she was probably the first,
and that happened not too long after Whitney Streamer wrote
this book. I think that was one of the things
that kind of I read his communion, I guess with
the name of this book, and his experience was similar
in terms of the entities that he claimed to have seen,
and so that brought it like I wanted to tell
somebody at that point after I read Whitney Streemer's book.
So I told Lonnie, I don't know how much later
that was, but it was somewhere in the ninety thirty nineties.
Speaker 3: That is what is to be a real relief.
Speaker 2: I would think, oh, yeah, that was a great relief
because first of all, that Lonnie believed that. She didn't
go on to say that she believed by interpretation of
the experience, but she believed that something definitely disturbing happened
to me along the lines.
Speaker 5: That I explained to her.
Speaker 2: She's a trade psychologist, so she's going to jump to conclusion.
She's just you know, except that I have a story
that I believe by the story. Because I believe by
the story, she's going to believe what I believe.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about how the two the two
of you found each other, So Robert, before Richard tells
us how he came to you, I want to hear
your side. I understand you were being interviewed on Coast
to Coast AM, which of course is one of the
most listened to late night radio shows in America, when
a caller came on the line tell us about that.
Speaker 4: I think Richard remembers it much better than I, but
I think it was twenty eighteen. I was interviewed by
George Nori on Coast to Coast and Richard indicated I
was just talking about my nuclear weapons related research involving
military veterans and who had UFO experiences. And Richard apparently
called in was describing something that happened to him this incident.
But I don't have any clear memory of that. Frankly,
it's been too many years. So I'm seventy five now
I'm starting to have memory issues. So that's about all
I can contribute.
Speaker 1: So I know that feeling. I'm a bit younger, but
i'm having it. I can't remember what I did two
days ago. So Richard, we'll hand it over to you.
Tell us about you calling in to Coast to Coast.
Speaker 5: Well, I was.
Speaker 2: I listened to Coast Coast if they had something I
was interested, and when it came to UFOs, I would
stay on the program. And then Robert Hastings came on.
I didn't know him at the time, but he had
mentioned vanden Bergh and I thought, well, he'd be interested,
so I called in and I started telling part of
the story, and his comment, well, that's very interesting, that's
very interesting. Then he asked me the question, and he says, well,
do you recall having any lost time? And while I
was answering that question, we were shut off the air,
I mean, and I didn't know how to get back
on at that point, and so the line was lost
or shut down or whatever, and so I just let
it go at that point. And so that would have
been around twenty eighteen. I guess I was having done that,
having gone out public with that. Now I started telling
a few select friends that it had happened. That kind
of set set the pathway for me to tell somebody
else at that time. So I started. After Coast to Coast,
I started telling other people what had happened to Lonnie
before that, but that was a special situation because of
her her status. But I started telling friends. I didn't
want I didn't want the stigma. You know, that's kind
of weird to start telling your friends, Oh, it was
the board, the UFO, you know, what are they going
to think of you? And so I but now I felt,
I felt, oh, I set it on Coast to Coast
and I might as well start telling people. So I did,
and I started telling a few friends.
Speaker 3: When do you decide to reach out to Robert?
Speaker 2: Robert was being interviewed just not too long ago by
Ross Colthart. Yeah, yeah, okay, I was watching. I watch
a lot of YouTube, and I watch a lot of
it comes back to the UFOs, I'll watch that. And
Robert was being interviewed, and so he gave his email
address at the end of the our website. I don't
know anyhow he gave a contact something going to contact,
and so I thought, way he might be interested in
this story. I didn't connect him with Coast to Coast
in twenty eighteen, It just this was now. And so
I contacted him, I think my email and said I
had this experience and Robert said, well, can you write
it up and send it to me? So I wrote
it up and sent it to him and writing, and
then he got back to me, and I said, well,
this is fascinating and it fit right into his, you know,
his research, and there he had one hundred and sixty
eight cases and I'd be one hundred and sixty nine,
and he wanted to know more about what was going on.
You know what my experience was.
Speaker 1: And Robert, you did some vetting of Richard correct when
he reaches out to you.
Speaker 4: I always asked the veterans who I interview for their
d D two fourteen, which is their service record. It
confirms basically when they were in the service and where
they were stationed, so I can at least establish that
it's not going to go into any detail about any
anomalous experiences they had. But Richard was proactive and when
he first contacted me via email, he did send me
his DD two fourteen as an attachment. So he had
either heard me say that to Ross Colthart, that I
do do that, or he just took it upon himself
thinking that I would probably ask him for it. So
that's how we were introduced in October of twenty twenty five,
and I was immediately impressed with the story. I contacted
him my phone. We discussed it again and again, all
sorts of details and so on, and I'm.
Speaker 6: Absolutely sure he's telling the truth.
Speaker 4: Of the one hundred and sixty nine military veterans that
I've interviewed, eight Richard being the eight of them have
described being abducted by non human entities in the course
of the incident that they experienced involving nuclear weapons, and
so you know, I am so glad that he's come forward.
I think since I've ever interviewed. I find a specially
interesting the telepathic communication that he was receiving after coming
back to the guard check, where he was being told
by this human appearing entity that there were multiple races
working together, and he describes us in detail in the
written statement that he sent me, and what he was
being told was we value the earth, we will not
let humans destroy the earth with a nuclear war, and
if we have to, we will intervene.
Speaker 6: And he was further told that.
Speaker 4: These entities, these races that are working together, don't always
agree or get along.
Speaker 6: So this is very intriguing information.
Speaker 4: As some of your viewers will know, I came out
as an experience er as an abductee in twenty nineteen.
I began investigating this in nineteen seventy three by seeking
out and interviewing military personnel, and by nineteen eighty one,
I felt I had enough of a case for the
reality of all of this nuclear weapons being monitored and
even interfered with by non human entities aboard UFOs.
Speaker 6: I felt the public needed to know the facts.
Speaker 4: I went out on the college lecture circuit and spoke
it over five hundred schools over a thirty six year period.
Colleges and universities in the United States. But in nineteen
eighty eight, August of eighty eight, long story short, and
we we discussed this on my previous appearance with you.
But I was abducted, that's the long end the short
of it, with two other people. And eventually, over about
a twenty year period, I had five more of these
encounters that can only be described as alien abductions. And
so I know the reality of it. I know the
reality of telepathic communication. And I knew, having spent so
many years trying to establish credibility for the nuclear weapons cases,
I knew that if I suddenly went public with my
face to face encounters with these entities to say, in effect,
I was an alien abductee, that I would lose a
great deal of credibility in certain members of the public,
large numbers, probably as well as the media. So I
kept my mouth shut. I didn't talk about this until
twenty nineteen. But it's real, it's part of the picture.
And as I said, Richard is now the eighth Air
Force veteran who's described the experience involving nuclear weapons, in
his case, guarding a nuclear missile on our nuclear missile
and also having an abduction, so it's part of the
overall picture.
Speaker 1: Now, Robert in September of nineteen sixty four at Vandenberg,
so Richard has his experience with these beings who tell
them that they need data from this missile and will
not allow nuclear war as I understand that that same month,
Bob Jacobs, who's also been on our show, films a
UAP shooting what appears to be a directed energy weapon
or laser or something at a dummy nuclear warhead. And
at the time these two men didn't know each other,
but am I correct that this was the same base,
same month.
Speaker 4: Same base, same month, and that was one of the
intriguing things when Richard reached out to me, I went,
holy cow, you know, that's the same month that Bob
Jacobs was engaged in or involved in, the so called
Big sur Ufo incident. It's been very well publicized, but
for what members of the audience that haven't heard about it.
At that time, Lieutenant Bob Jacobs was the head of
a photographic team charged with tasked with i should say,
filming missile launches from Vandenberg, various missile tests out over
the Pacific and the remote missiles or the remote telescope
site was that big up on the California coast, about
one hundred miles north northwest of Vandenberg. That site allowed
missiles to be filmed from a side view as they
were going out into space, which is why they established
that there. And in I've established it was September fifteenth
of nineteen sixty four they filmed this atlasmissile launch. The
film was sent back to the base and developed. A
day later, Jacobs, Lieutenant Jacob Schta call from a man
named Major Florenz Mansman, who was the base photo analyst
who was analyzing the films and so on, and he said,
you need to come to my office once you're back
on base. And when Lieutenant Jacobs showed up at Mansman's office,
there were two men in gray suits standing there or
sitting there perhaps, and a movie projector, sixteen millimeter movie
projector was set up, and Mansman said, Lieutenant Jacob's watch this,
and then they screened the film that had been shot
a day maybe it was two days prior, and Jacob
sees the missile in the film frame and the dummy
warhead separates from it. The missile drops away and as
the warhead is flying down range, and we've estimated it
was about four hundred miles from the telescope site. There
was some trigonometry used to serve estimate these distances. While
they're watching this dummy warhead flying in space leaving Vandenberg
at this great distance, suddenly a disc shaped object with
a dome flew into camera frame and suddenly circled the warhead,
and at four different junctures shot what looked like probably
a plasma beam of light. Lasers can't be seen in space,
so it had to be a plasma discharge.
Speaker 6: Of some kind, I'm guessing.
Speaker 4: And suddenly the war had started tumbling after these four
beams of light hit it, and Major Mansman said to
Lieutenant Jacobs, you know what were you guys screwing around
up there? And he said, no, sir, And he said,
what do you think that is? And he said it
looks like we got a UFO on film and Mansman said,
Lieutenant Jacobs, you're never to say that again, and he
was dismissed. Now, what he didn't know until years later
was those two men in gray suits were CIA officers.
As soon as he left the office, the film was
clipped out off the real the key footage and confiscated
by the CIA agents and they told Major Mansman this
was now top secret. Jacobs didn't have that information, and
so in nineteen eighty two, thinking that enough time had
gone by, he wrote a magazine article about all of this,
and suddenly he began getting death threats over the phone
because of what had occurred.
Speaker 6: Now. The last thing I'll briefly mention. In twenty two twenty.
Speaker 4: Three, Lou Alizondo, who I know, confirmed for me that
when he was with a tip, he watched the Big
Surf film. It was on a DVD at that point,
and he said it shows exactly what Bob Jacobs has
claimed all these years, that it showed a UFO shooting
down on a Dumby nuclear warhead.
Speaker 1: Richard tell us what that first meeting was with, What
that was like with Bob Jacobs, when you call him
up or do you two meet in person?
Speaker 3: How does that happen?
Speaker 5: Robert?
Speaker 2: Robert had given me Bob Jacobs as his email adjusted
thinking he'd be interested because we were both at Vanderburgh
at the same time. So I contacted Robert. We got
together on the telephone and we had quite a conversation
that they It was the same month, and so it
could have been the same entities that were exploring the
vase at the particular time. I told him that I
had a similar experience, but it was much late, probably
may have of sixty five, eight or nine months later,
they were launching a Atlas missile, which would have been
the same, probably the same project that.
Speaker 5: Robert was or Bob was photographing.
Speaker 2: But again it was a warhead, dummy warhead that they
were testing the configuration of down the Pacific test range.
And from where I was standing, which was straight behind
the missile some distance away, and we're watching this missile
and this yellow orb comes over and starts tracking the missile.
It didn't move around it or anything. It just stayed
with the missile. First of all, I thought I was
going to have a fuel leak and it was going
to blow off, but it didn't. And then the first
stage dropped off and the yellow or kept following it,
so it couldn't have been a fuel leak. It had
so I'm not sure what it was, but it wasn't
a fuel eak, and it was something that tracked dismissile.
Found out later that was not an uncommon occurrence to
happen that UFOs would come over and track these nestles
during launch without intervening. So the next day I was
down at the launch site that was my post the
next day, and I asked the sergeant there.
Speaker 5: I said, what happened yesterday?
Speaker 2: Said, you know, if I were you, i'd keep my
mouth shut and talk about that. So I kept my
mouth shut and didn't talk about that one either.
Speaker 1: Sure, now, Robert, the message that Richard received that these
beings are gathering intelligence on our nuclear systems and tend
to intervene, does that, you.
Speaker 3: Know, if we were to go to nuclear war?
Speaker 1: Does that align with other witnesses across your two hundred
plus cases that you've reported that that sort of messa
consistent message, It seems.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 4: The veterans that I've interviewed, of course, were at the
field level. Very few I can only think of a
handful were at the Pentagon. They were all in the
field at missile sites or weapons storage areas, so they
wouldn't have had that kind of information. But they've certainly
speculated to me over the years that first what they
saw was an extraterrestrial craft and the working hypothesis, which
I've shared since the seventies is that this surveillance of
our nuclear weapons and temporary interference from time to time
by the UFOs shutting down or even activating our missiles
and the Russians missiles, which are incidents that are now
documented and well established. I always consider that to be
a warning of some kind or a threat, them wagging
the finger at humans saying, you know, do not use
these weapons, get rid of the nuclear weapons. And what
Richard and Essence is confirming, he was telepathically told that
they planned interviewing to prevent a major nuclear war. So
you know, it just fits right in, and you know,
it's just intriguing to me, and I do believe as
I said, I think Richard's absolutely on the level. So
he's sort of got an inside glimpse, in effect through
his narrative of what many people, including myself if speculated
for decades about what's going on and what the motivation
is behind the UFO activity at nuclear weapon sites.
Speaker 3: Because we also have the Momstrom cases.
Speaker 1: So Robert Sallis, who's been on the show as well,
with the Echo flight, he had ten minute men missiles
going offline simultaneously Richard's experience predates Momstrom.
Speaker 3: I think what by about three years.
Speaker 1: So does that suggest there was kind of an escalation
of their engagement, in your opinion, with nuclear.
Speaker 4: Weapons, Yes, I think you know, it was just a
pattern of activity that began with the missiles in the
early sixties and continuing on through the decades, the seventies
and eighties. Many of the interviewees, the veterans, have told
me they were involved in incidents in the eighteen or
excuse me, nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties and two thousands.
So it's been an ongoing thing. Since you mentioned Bob Sallas.
I earlier mentioned that eight of the veterans whom I've
interviewed have said that they are also abductees. Many people
don't know that Bob Salas came out in twenty thirteen
and said that many years after his incident at Malmstrom
in sixty seven, he was in bed with his wife
in nineteen eighty five at their home in California, and
suddenly the room filled with a blue light, and he
sat up and saw a small figure enter the room,
and he was about to react and suddenly was paralyzed,
and he ultimately had he remembered that much. He ultimately
had hypnosis done where he apparently was taken by multiple
entities who had come into his bedroom, taken through a
closed window, which is one of the elements that many
abductees described being taken through closed doors and windows. I
myself was taken through a ceiling, but that's another story.
So and Sallas describes going on board a craft, which interestingly,
one of the things he described about the craft was
he at one point was examined by what he called
gray entities, and then following that he was led to
like a cordor and sat down on the bench. And
the bench, according to Bob Sallis, was molded right into
the wall, just exactly how Richard is describing. And so,
you know, anyway, whether you know the abduction phenomenon is
very controversial, but it's real. I can tell you it's real.
Richard can tell you it's real. Some small percentage of
the military veterans that I interviewed again to be redundant
and have described being abducted as well. So it's as
part of the overall picture. Whether people want to believe
it or not.
Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes this seems to be a thread in
abduction stories that I hear that you know that they
kind of apologize after the fact. So maybe they insert
something into their nose and you experience a lot of
pain and they're like, oh, sorry, we didn't mean to
do that, and then everything's okay, or in this instance,
this being terrifies Richard and then at the end apologizes
for it. You know, you would think that these entities
would know ahead of time how it's going to go,
that they're going to terrify the people, that if they
stick something you probe, up their nose or whatever to
put in an implant, that it's it's going to cause pain.
Speaker 3: I sometimes wonder.
Speaker 1: If, if if it's intentional, the fear and the trauma
is a necessary sort of part of the experience.
Speaker 3: Is that something that's ever crossed your mind.
Speaker 4: I relating to my own experiences, my memories of them
are fragmentary. However, I do recall on more than one
occasion interacting with one.
Speaker 6: Or more of what we would call Grace, and.
Speaker 4: The impression I had was basically, they were just going
about their business. They had a task to do, they
were going to do it. They didn't really care whether
I was being traumatized or whatever. But the handful of
telepathic messages that I recall receiving during those incidents, some
requiring hypnosis, others I had ready recollections of suddenly, for example,
being in a hotel room and having suddenly a distinct
impression that they were there, even though I couldn't see
them or sense them. But the message I had in
my mind was we are here for you. You have
met us before, and then the abduction process began. So
it's just very business like, very straightforward, no nonsense, not
a lot of elaboration of any kind. I don't recall
ever being apologized to for the trauma they, you know,
imposed on me. But so I think there's a variety
of experiences within a subset of experiences within the overall experience.
Speaker 6: Not everybody's reporting the same kind of thing, Richard.
Speaker 1: We spoke earlier about Bob Jacobs, well actually Robert talked
spoke about that, the threats and whatnot that that Bob
Jacobs underwent. You know, a mailbox was bombed. I mean,
it was just just horrible. I'm curious, since you have
gone public, have you had any kind of harassment or
odd phone calls or anything like that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no good. Maybe it's probably oh no, because
I was almost expecting. But sure, so I went public
with Robert. But nothing's so far, nothing's happened.
Speaker 6: Let me interject something there.
Speaker 4: When I tried to put him in touch with well,
when I tried to put Bob Jacobs and Bob Sallace
in touch with Richard, they told me that they emailed
him multiple times and at one at that point, he
had not received their emails. So apparently their emails were
being intercepted. So I eventually I conveyed that to Richard.
I've had problems like that for decades, so it was
no surprise. But anyway, once I learned that they had
attempted to reach him and someone was preventing their emails
reaching him, I got them together by telephone, and so
we moved ahead.
Speaker 6: From that point.
Speaker 1: Robert, between two thousand and three and two thousand and five,
five separate UAP incidents at Vandenberg that we know of
the triangular craft larger than the football field, a glowing
red square over missile defense sites. I mean, this is
seems to be like, over forty years after Richard's experience,
that this kind of stuff is happening. What does that
persistence of activity sort of.
Speaker 5: Tell you, you know, just I.
Speaker 6: Mean not knowing the answer to that.
Speaker 4: Really, all I can say is that whatever we're doing
in the way of possessing and threatening to use nuclear weapons,
Vladimir Putin is threatened to use his nuclear weapons. You know,
whoever they are in these crafts, they're still monitoring the
situation one way or another. They're still showing up at
various missile bases and other facilities relating to nuclear weapons.
You know, the thing has to be emphasized. I'm sure
I know one percent of the number of cases that
have occurred over the years. I mean, when I track
down a veteran, if I've heard something that they were
involved in, or they approached me as Richard, did you know,
it's catch as catch can. There's no systematic way of
investigating every site, every incident. Rather that's occurred at every
base chronologically over the years. I'm sure there's a great
many more cases than I will ever know about, but
it's ongoing. Obviously. Whatever we're up to, the entities are
still keeping an eye on us, and from time to time,
I'm sure still interfering with the weapons. Other than the
three people who've contacted me, including Richard, in the last year.
There was a several year gap where I didn't seek
anyone out and no one approached me. So I'm sure
things went on over the last decade that I will
never know.
Speaker 1: About now, Robert, the UAP Disclosure Act has now been
blocked twice from the NDAA in the FY twenty twenty
six Defense Bill. As I understand from Congressman Eric Burlison,
they're still trying to kind of resuscitate the whole thing.
And I'm curious, how important do you think, especially given
Richard's story and what you've heard from so many of
these other Air Force personnel that dealt with the nation's
nuclear weapons, how important do you think it is for
Congress to address the fact that UAP are clearly tampering
with our nuclear deterrent And if a member of Congress
happens to be watching this show now, what would be
your message to that person.
Speaker 4: Well, obviously it's a real situation, it's an ongoing situation.
I think it's self evidently important that Congress investigate the
investigate all of this as much as possible. But realistically,
I know the history of the in particular CIA's influence
on Congress in terms of suppressing this information over the years.
I don't think that's changed. I think behind the scenes,
the people who have harassed Dave Grush, for example, after
he's testified about the very dramatic things he knew about,
there are people within government now that don't want this
to happen. They're postponing the inevitable, in my opinion, and
I think they have a certain degree of influence, probably
a great degree of influence on Congress, and so I
don't think any of us should really expect a dramatic
breakthrough anytime soon. On the other hand, Trump is so
unorthodox in the way he approaches things. If anything's going
to suddenly break open and there's going to be any
kind of public acknowledgement of the reality of UAPs and nhi's,
it could be Trump who does it.
Speaker 6: But who knows. I'm just speculating.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Richard, you've kept the story to yourself for the
better part of sixty years.
Speaker 3: You've now told it publicly.
Speaker 1: What do you want people to take away from what
happened to you on that foggy morning in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2: Well, my particular is just another piece of the puzzles
since at number one sixty nine and Robert still research
and you know, one of the big problems that I
can't verify what I've I can only go by my character,
and I think I've had pretty good character. I've been
a registered nurse for over forty years. I was at
the nursing at the college level, so most of my friends,
and Robert and his vetting have contacted several of my
friends that will vouch you that I'm a pretty honest guy,
that I not climb, you know, not inclined to make
up stories. But the problem is I can't verify that
this actually happened to me, and so I just wanted
to be part of the big picture if they can
just you know, I was thinking the other day with AI,
artificial intelligence, they need to feed all these stories into
one AI program and find the similarity and come up
with a more complete picture. And I'm sure now that
we have that capability, I think that's something that needs
to be done. And you know, mine will just be
one piece of the puzzle, that's all I expect it
to be. But it's an important piece in my mind,
an important piece of the puzzle. I was very aware
of Robert Solace's incident dured three years after mine, and
and I did get hold of him thanks to Bob
or Robert and uh, you know, we had we had
a little talk on that and it just all fits together.
And I think between all the stories out there, there's
a lot that are not credible that need to be
thrown up.
Speaker 5: But there's a there's a lake.
Speaker 2: I think a I will establish that lake and come
up with a very accurate picture of what's really going on,
and that may be outside of converse or outside the government,
because that can be done by by private corporation or
private It'd be interesting if we can just collate all
this information come up with a big picture.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's just a matter of time.
Speaker 1: I read recently that the current models of AI were
actually written by the previous model of AI.
Speaker 3: So AI is writing.
Speaker 1: The next version in full without without a human sitting
there programming it. So if it's doing that, that wouldn't
surprise me at all. So, Robert, what is next for you?
And where can people find your books?
Speaker 4: My first book, UFOs and Nukes is available at Amazon,
as is the second book that I co wrote with
Bob Jacobs where we came out as experiencers.
Speaker 6: That's called confession.
Speaker 4: I you know, just playing it by your day to day.
I'm trying to work on a third book that deals
with non human entity contact with humans slogan, but we'll see.
That's my main project for twenty twenty six to try
to get.
Speaker 6: This book done.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Well, thanks to you both for coming on the show.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Richard, so nice to meet you. Robert,
always good to see you and hear what you're up to.
This has just really been fantastic. I appreciate really the
bravery of you both. This is certainly not an easy
topic to talk about without some kind of negative consequence.
Speaker 3: That seems so especially you, Robert.
Speaker 1: I've told many many a friend this that I do
not think we would be where we are at in
this disclosure conversation had it not been for your work.
Speaker 3: So my hat is off.
Speaker 1: To both of you and Richard, thank you, sir for
your service, and look forward to having you both back
on the show at some point.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you,